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I can also add here my "same same" type of bad experience in barfining at Windmill. In February I was there and saw a young, inocent look, fresh dancer. Bought her a drink, had some good couch experience, kissing, etc .. she was not pushing for more drinks ... and at some point I asked her about barfing her longtime. I did not get the answer right away. She went back to her dancing turn ... I almost forgot about her. About an hour later she came to me saying that she cannot go longtime tonight because she has a birthday party later on but she can go longtime with me tomorrow.
Well the next day I stopped by ... she was not there ... but the mamasan (who was very well informed) told me that she will come tomorrow ...
I got a clear impression that everything comes from mamasan who likes to play this come back later/tomorrow game, delaying her "No" answer as much as possible ...
Well, the next day, I was there again. When the girl saw me she looked little embarrased and told me that she cannot go. I had the clear feeling that she wanted to go but .. she was told that she can't..



[QUOTE=Paul2020]In the end of March I started my 3 days in Pattaya at Windmill around 19:30 and generally stayed there an hour or two before going to other bars. My last day there was on a Monday and I had intended to barfine a dancer that I had gotten to know the previous two days.

After a couple of lady drinks for the dancer, we called the mamasan over and let her know I wanted to barfine the dancer longtime. The mamasan told me the bafine was 300 short time and 1,000 longtime. I was surprised, but as it was my last night and I really liked this dancer I agreed to 1,000.

The mamasan told me she would be back in 2-3 minutes and walked away. That was the first time I’d ever been told to wait, but I didn’t really mind, it just struck me as weird.

A couple of minutes later and it was my lady’s time to dance. She started to dance and had been dancing for 3 or 4 songs before I was told by the lady (a waitress or the mamas an had talked to her) that she couldn’t be barfined long time.

I then spoke to the mamasan and she said she didn’t have enough girls. There didn’t seem to be a shortage of ladies to me, and although it was crowded, it wasn’t nearly as crowded as it had been on the two previous nights (Saturday and Sunday). The mamasan told me to come back later.

I was frustrated and surprised at the lack of customer service. I’m sure the mamasan knew immediately that she wasn’t going to let the lady go long time but probably didn’t want to convey that information to me directly. Instead she chose to delay that by 10-15 minutes through an intermediary.

About 23:00 I came back to Windmill and the dancer was all excited and wanted to know if I would barfine her. I told her if she could go longtime I would. The mamasan still wouldn’t let her go so I left and went to Living Dolls Showcase and immediately barfined a dancer I knew there for 600 and 1,700 long time to her and proceeded to have a great night with her.

About 03:30 in the morning I got a text message from the Windmill dancer that she wanted to come over. Told her I already had someone in the room.

The next day on the way back to Bangkok I sent a complaint to the Windmill web site not expecting a reply, and to this day never received one. I quoted them some of their propaganda on their web site about the customer being right and “how long” is “up to you”.

Although I had a good time there, I will even think trying to barfine someone there again.

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[QUOTE=Andix]Originally Posted by Paul2020

I sent a complaint to the Windmill web site not expecting a reply[/QUOTE] What happens if you barfine her short-time and keep her longer than the prescribed? Do they come to your room and drag you off her while you are fully mounted? Just a thought. I mean, I'd put more energy into that than write an email about customer service to a Thai Wh* rehouse website.

Just my Two Baht.

Apologies aforementioned.

[quote=joe cose]doormen besseching me to go into their club, massage girls shouting "weelcom, sexy man", people and motorbikes all around me, some really drunk but everyone happy.

later, sitting on a bar stool a bargirl sizes me up, she likes me, she comes closer, i buy her a drink, she gets warmer, she finally lets you know by turning around and reversing her beautiful arse into your groin, gyrating it occasionally, you buy her drinks and this goes on for hours.

in windmill club, one particular dancer always finds me within five minutes and sits silently beside me, she has no english. i put my panama hat on her head and she looks beautiful. she smiles radiantly. she knows i will not barfine her because i have another girl in that club who will get too jealous, but still she sits with me. she has the most stunning lean body, very tall.

in rolling stone 2 bar i marvel at the fun the girls get out of hearing the band play the old rock songs. they sing loudly to zombies, in your head - the place erupts. i watch the new customers come into the bar, a girl greets each new group and tries to get them to sit - most falang look very tense and unhappy at this moment and some turn and walk out. i want to tell them to relax, smile, you can trust these girls. some young guys come in and i see that no girl bothers to greet them, i ask a girl why - she explains young men fuck too hard.

taking a girl home from rolling stone 2, giving her some money to buy us some kebab sticks from the vendor just outside, they taste sensational. sharing the food with other girls in the bar. a few steps away we find a motorbike taxi, my girl says first she wants to say goodnight to her friend, soon she comes back alone, i agree a price with the driver to take us both. the night is cool, the traffic is light at 2am. speeding along third road, my girl has her arms around my waist and her head is turned to one side, resting gently on the back of my neck, the breeze is cool, the driver is good. i wonder if i will feel this perfect ever again. i swear that girl caressed me all night long. the next morning i offer to take her to the big buddha temple at jomtien and there we ring the bells for luck and get blessed by the monk while our motorbike taxidrivers wait patiently (cannot share a taxi in the daytime, police problem).

telling a girl in secrets bar that she is the most beautiful thai lady i have ever seen, bhagwan she says, smiling. pom mai bhagwan krap. she laughs. truth be told she was not even pretty but it turned out she had a stunning body. thai girls have taken full advantage in bra technology developments. it is hard to judge until the bra comes off. in the morning this girl asks me if i want to go to the temple at sataheep with her family. yes, i say so we go outside and jump into a landcruiser with her two brothers, sister, their spouses and children. i feel like i am one of the family.

in a go-go bar, i am buying drinks for a show girl. these show girls can be hard core. i make a point of being very respectful in the bars, i don't touch the girls intimately. the show girl does the thing of reversing into me and she subtly manoevures herself so i'm surprised to find i am caressing her breast and then a masterstroke, she pulls away from me slightly and i find my other hand is squeezing her arse. she feels so good, her body is just perfection.

staying at radi mansions, constantly joking with the staff and the owners, this is the happiest hotel i have stayed in anywhere. one night i am sitting in the foyer with my girl and a group of germans are drinking beer, some with their girls. as each guest approaches from the street, one of the guys says in german, "here come the next ones", whereupon they all turn around and shout (probably) obscene comments to the guy coming in with his girl. huge bursts of solid german laughter and ribaldry. finally one guy comes in, alone. they say to him, "where is your girl?". he says "oh i forgot", and goes to turn around to go back to town and get one. i swear the laughing went on for five minutes, tears streaming down faces, thai staff laughing too.

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hi all, haven't posted for months, or even looked at site. only do it a few weeks before a trip back,too depressing otherwise! hate you guys having such a good time! :-)

this post is brilliant. love the guys outlook and attitude, it's how i feel there too. well done mate.

johnthescot

In Joe Cose's post, I was very surprised by this:
"The next morning I offer to take her to the Big Buddha temple at Jomtien and there we ring the bells for luck and get blessed by the monk while our motorbike taxidrivers wait patiently (cannot share a taxi in the daytime, police problem)."

It's the first time I hear about any police problem in a taxi with a girl at any time of the day. Any explanation?

He means you can't have one moto taxi carry you AND your girl.

Daytime you need two taxis. One for you, one for your girl.

a few steps away we find a [b]motorbike taxi,[/b] my girl says first she wants to say goodnight to her friend, soon she comes back alone,[b] i agree a price with the driver to take us both.[/b] the night is cool, the traffic is light at 2am. speeding along third road, my girl has her arms around my waist and her head is turned to one side, resting gently on the back of my neck, the breeze is cool, [b]the driver is good[/b]. the next morning i offer to take her to the big buddha temple at jomtien and there we ring the bells for luck and get blessed by the monk while our [b]motorbike taxidrivers[/b] wait patiently.
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el frances,

there were three people on the motor bike that night, the driver, the girl and joe. the next day the motor bike drivers did not want to risk it with the police. not an issue with the girl but with motor bike taxis transporting two passengers on one bike during the day.

[QUOTE=Kermitthefrog]What happens if you barfine her short-time and keep her longer than the prescribed? Do they come to your room and drag you off her while you are fully mounted? Just a thought. I mean, I'd put more energy into that than write an email about customer service to a Thai Wh* rehouse website.

Just my Two Baht.

Apologies aforementioned.[/QUOTE]Good point although I don't know the answer. Will remember for my next visit. I think by short time they were also talking about a room in Windmill.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]El Frances,

There were three people on the motor bike that night, the driver, the girl and Joe. The next day the Motor Bike Drivers did not want to risk it with the Police. Not an issue with the girl but with motor bike taxis transporting two passengers on one bike during the day.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I though you meant taxi=cab. Nice report anyway!

Cheers!

Hi Guys, looking for the lowdown on bars, girls, services and prices in Jomtien. I'm a seasoned Thailand monger so don't be afraid to recommend anything wet 'n' wild ! I understand the Winchester is a good place with on site services as well as many ST bars around the 'complex'. Also some bars offering naked pool for some reason !?!? Any up to date info and where to go and what to avoid is appreciated.
Thanks, M.

Hi Guys,

I did a RTFF, but all the activities mentioned are mostly during the night I will be on a day trip to Pattaya, leaving mostly by 4 pm, what are the places which I can go to find good companion. Either massage places or go-go bar ok. I'm not sure if the go go bars will be open during the day.

[QUOTE=Meaty]Hi Guys, looking for the lowdown on bars, girls, services and prices in Jomtien. I'm a seasoned Thailand monger so don't be afraid to recommend anything wet 'n' wild ! I understand the Winchester is a good place with on site services as well as many ST bars around the 'complex'. Also some bars offering naked pool for some reason !?!? Any up to date info and where to go and what to avoid is appreciated.
Thanks, M.[/QUOTE]


Try Jade house which is in between Patts and Jomtien

Also Blarney Stone and the The cosy bar have some nice girls there, went on a bit of a crawl in January .

[QUOTE=Tydecksa]Hi Guys,

I did a RTFF, but all the activities mentioned are mostly during the night I will be on a day trip to Pattaya, leaving mostly by 4 pm, what are the places which I can go to find good companion. Either massage places or go-go bar ok. I'm not sure if the go go bars will be open during the day.[/QUOTE]

Soapies around Soi 2&3 near big C on 2nd road

Soi 6

Beach road

They will find you no problems.

You will probably not want to leave

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Try Jade house which is in between Patts and Jomtien

Also Blarney Stone and the The cosy bar have some nice girls there, went on a bit of a crawl in January .[/QUOTE]Jade House is fun, nice buffet on Wednesdays, yes I mean real food and the regular "everyday" buffet is not bad either.

Tell me it isnt so! Please!

[QUOTE=Fun Couple]Hi guys,

Here in Pattaya, having an absolute blast, we where concerned the ladies would steer clear but we have found its the total opposite,

We recently found the hell club was shut down and we need to know if anyone could share with us good soapies or fish bowls to visit, couples welcomed if you know that, we would rather pay a bit more for a nice place.

Please feel free to pm, we will check our mail later for some advice.

Cheers guys,

D[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tydecksa]Hi Guys,

I did a RTFF, but all the activities mentioned are mostly during the night I will be on a day trip to Pattaya, leaving mostly by 4 pm, what are the places which I can go to find good companion. Either massage places or go-go bar ok. I'm not sure if the go go bars will be open during the day.[/QUOTE]

I can't recall exact names of the bars but there are a couple of day time go go bars in walking street area. You can pick up a short time in one of these

[QUOTE=Tydecksa]Hi Guys,

I did a RTFF, but all the activities mentioned are mostly during the night I will be on a day trip to Pattaya, leaving mostly by 4 pm, what are the places which I can go to find good companion. Either massage places or go-go bar ok. I'm not sure if the go go bars will be open during the day.[/QUOTE]

Here are two Go Gos open during the day:

Tahitian Queen on Beach Rd at soi 13 and Far East Go Go is just off Beach Rd on the next soi, I believe it's soi 13(1).

[QUOTE=Tydecksa]Hi Guys,

I did a RTFF, but all the activities mentioned are mostly during the night I will be on a day trip to Pattaya, leaving mostly by 4 pm, what are the places which I can go to find good companion. Either massage places or go-go bar ok. I'm not sure if the go go bars will be open during the day.[/QUOTE]
Nui's A-Go-Go on Walking Street and New Star just off Walking St on Soi Diamond are open at 1pm daily.

Am on the ground in Pattaya right now, so I thought that I would post a quick update on the situation here, given all that is going on with politics in Thailand at the moment.

Am glad to be able to say that Pattaya is live and kicking, a bit slower than last time I was here during the same time in the year, but it has not slowed down as much as I felt BKK had when I was there a few days ago.

So if it is helpful for anyone planning a trip to LOS in the next few weeks or so, then I would definitely say aim to spend more time in Pattaya than BKK since BKK has for the time being (IMHO) gone a bit quiet.

Draco,

Thanks for the information on travel to Pattaya during the day. I would like to know what options I have aroung midnight when my plane always seems to come in. I have tried unsucessfully to get others to share a ride. I think I will pack a sign and marker to hold up. My best bartering bring a price of 1200 baht.

Any other suggestions?

[QUOTE=Draco]I've seen a number of reports about transport to Pattaya and thought I'd offer some information.

First, a taxi is of course the quickest and most convenient, but don't agree to a price of 1500 baht. You can always get a better deal if you look like you're willing to walk. Just head downstairs to the ground level where the buses depart. There the taxis will go for less. I've had no trouble getting to 1000 baht. There are usually several people looking for a ride, so you might succeed sharing a ride, if that is your interest.

There are at least two bus options. One is had at a dispatch desk on the ground floor at the far end of the terminal. I think the last bus leaves about 5:15PM and it costs around 150 or 200 baht. It will take you to two or three spots in Pattaya. From there catch a baht bus or a motorbike to your hotel.

The second option is to take the airport shuttle out to the bus terminal at the edge of the airport grounds. In the center of the terminal is a desk for Pattaya. A ticket is about 110 baht and the buses leave every two hours up until 7PM. The bus goes to the Pattaya bus terminal. Along the way it wil stop several times to let locals out, but the real destination is the Pattaya bus terminal.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

I got a flyer earlier today to say that the authorities in Pattaya are concerned at the downturn in business, and are looking for strategies to attract more foreigners.

One of these was to offer hotel rooms for free. The decision to go or not go is tomorrow, April 23.

has anyone heard of this?

Gangles

[QUOTE=Gangles]I got a flyer earlier today to say that the authorities in Pattaya are concerned at the downturn in business, and are looking for strategies to attract more foreigners.

One of these was to offer hotel rooms for free. The decision to go or not go is tomorrow, April 23.

has anyone heard of this?

Here is the link to the article

Gangles[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Pattaya-Woo-Visitors-Free-Rooms-t259369.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Ranger775][url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Pattaya-Woo-Visitors-Free-Rooms-t259369.html[/url][/QUOTE]


Stay tuned, your local Go-Go/Bar may follow suit and offer free ST session in an effort to promote LT. Maybe free bar fines after midnight?;)

It will be really interesting to see what will come of this.

Am just about to book a hotel for june when I will make my way to Pattaya - but will hold off for a bit longer to see if I can get a real good deal now.

[QUOTE=Gangles]I got a flyer earlier today to say that the authorities in Pattaya are concerned at the downturn in business, and are looking for strategies to attract more foreigners.

One of these was to offer hotel rooms for free. The decision to go or not go is tomorrow, April 23.

has anyone heard of this?

Gangles[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GymWhite]Tell me it isnt so! Please![/QUOTE]Unfortunately the Hell Club is down and out for the count. The good news is that the owner is apparently in the process of creating a new place very much like it. Word is it'll be called something like 'The Devil's Lair'. No clue yet how soon it may open.

I was planning to go to BKK, but I wanted to also see Pattaya. If this is true, I will change to Pattaya.

Please post any results.

Thanks

[QUOTE=GymWhite]Draco,

Thanks for the information on travel to Pattaya during the day. I would like to know what options I have aroung midnight when my plane always seems to come in. I have tried unsucessfully to get others to share a ride. I think I will pack a sign and marker to hold up. My best bartering bring a price of 1200 baht.

Any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]

[email]mr_ttaxi@hotmail.com[/email] will charge 1000bht from airport BKK to Pattaya.

Had a good service from him

A good alternative is Pattaya Taxi. [url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]
They are reliable and frive good cars. Just send an email with your flight number and he will be waiting at exit 3 at the arrival area with a sign with your name on it. 1100 Bt, no hassle, any time! I used them for the first time 3 weeks ago and was really impressed.

[QUOTE=Gaolei]A good alternative is Pattaya Taxi. [url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]
They are reliable and frive good cars. Just send an email with your flight number and he will be waiting at exit 3 at the arrival area with a sign with your name on it. 1100 Bt, no hassle, any time! I used them for the first time 3 weeks ago and was really impressed.[/QUOTE]

I've also used this service 4 times, and they are always on time and reliable. Frankly, after travelling for nearly 30 hours from the west coast, it's worth the cost difference between a public bus and a private driver to take you to Pattaya. As noted above, the driver is waiting for you with a sign, and about 90 minutes later you're being dropped off at your hotel. I've also used this service back to the airport from Pattaya, and I received the same fine service. For just under 31 USD you can't beat it.

By the way, each of the drivers that I've had speak little or no English, which isn't a problem, as they have been given instructions where to deliver you, and the 90 minutes of silence is great for taking a little nap.

While I have seen many reports of places that people enjoy and recommend, I have not seen all that many reports of places to NOT visit. Sure, some reports with hints (and obvious STAY AWAY messages) of places not to visit have been posted - but I would really appreciate if you have suggestions of such places...and why you think its a good idea to not visit them.

Trying to gather some information before I head down in june of what places to stay clear of ;)

I'll be in Thailand next week (yeay!!) and know BKK pretty well from previous trips so this time I thought I'd give Pattaya a go.

Guys, are there any specific bars and go-go's you can recommend for young (18-21) beautiful girls? (Actually, for me cuteness outweighs beauty, but anyways).

I was recommended the Sabai Inn as a decent, clean place to stay. Anybody stayed there? I like to be close to the action but not right in the middle of it, so if you have any suggestions where to stay, please let me know.

Also, what's the going rate for bar fines, LS and ST in Pattaya these days?

Please bear with me for asking all these super basic questions. Man, I'm soooo exited to be going to LOS again!

Gentlemen,

I have been going through the reports an cannot seem to find any upto date information on the Russain Freelancers in Pattaya.

Do they have a place in Pattaya like they have in Bangkok like CM2.

CM2 in Novotel Hotel in bangkok - A disco with russian, Uzbeks chicks freelancing.

Anyone have any information if somehting like that or a bar that russian freelancers frequent?

Thanks.

- AC

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]While I have seen many reports of places that people enjoy and recommend, I have not seen all that many reports of places to NOT visit. Sure, some reports with hints (and obvious STAY AWAY messages) of places not to visit have been posted - but I would really appreciate if you have suggestions of such places...and why you think its a good idea to not visit them.

Trying to gather some information before I head down in june of what places to stay clear of ;)[/QUOTE]I would stay away from the Kitten Club Half ladyboys, extremely high drink prices and though I haven't experienced it I have heard a lot of complaints of them padding peoples' bills.

[QUOTE=AsianChaos]Anyone have any information if somehting like that or a bar that russian freelancers frequent[/QUOTE]I don't know about bars but if you take a stroll along Walking Street you will come across many East Block girls that work as free-lancers and try to pick up clients there. They will "give you the eye" so you now they're available.
I heard that they also visit bars in that vicinity frequented by Arabs.
I've also frequently spotted them in front of the hotel across the new Central Festival shopping mall on 2nd Road that seems to be used a lot by Indian package tour tourists.
As Russians girls are not my cup of tea I haven't paid any attention to them.

[QUOTE=TripleX]I would stay away from the Kitten Club Half ladyboys, extremely high drink prices and though I haven't experienced it I have heard a lot of complaints of them padding peoples' bills.[/QUOTE]The old middle eastern girls on Walking Street are no Russians. They are Uzbekhs, Kasachs, Turkmenistanians, etc.

There is an Russian club behind Tonys Disco, with Russian table dancers. I am not sure if they go with customer, but I doubt. Except if you offer a little fortune. But, there are Russian Tourists and if you try you might br able to invite one for a dinner. Maybe you can land with her into your Hotel room, but that is not for sure.

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]While I have seen many reports of places that people enjoy and recommend, I have not seen all that many reports of places to NOT visit. Sure, some reports with hints (and obvious STAY AWAY messages) of places not to visit have been posted - but I would really appreciate if you have suggestions of such places...and why you think its a good idea to not visit them.

Trying to gather some information before I head down in june of what places to stay clear of ;)[/QUOTE]


Galaxy go go unless you like to be ripped off by the russian mafia

Tony's disco rip off

I wouldn't want to be in Lucifers if there was ever a fire.

[QUOTE=AsianChaos]Gentlemen,

I have been going through the reports an cannot seem to find any upto date information on the Russain Freelancers in Pattaya......
Anyone have any information if somehting like that or a bar that russian freelancers frequent?

Thanks.

- AC[/QUOTE]
Hi, having read the replies to your request, I have to agree, there are very limited Russian Bars etc in and around Pattaya that so called Freelancers may frequent.
Towards the end of Walking St there are a couple of places which are totally Russian orientated, not only the menu etc, but even the Thai band perform (poorly) in Russian. I spotted quite a few groups of girls there who could be just enjoying their holiday, but might be available to a daring Monger.

Another angle to try is the day trip on the ferry to nearby Island of Koh Larn, hundreds of Russkis go over every day. Samai Beach is one of their favourite haunts and we saw several groups of young russian girls all having a good time. Easy to spot them, mostly fake blondes with their tits out in the sun. Once again a daring monger might chance his luck and find something to chew on.

Hope this helps,

Cheers, FF

Hi Guys,

I'm searching for a tailor in Pattaya who is experienced with white tie (tailcoat) and cutaway.

Does anone of you have a guess?

Best regards

Can anyone recommend a good dentist in Pattaya for major work (bridge work). I found "The German Dental Co", now called "The European Dental Clinic." [url]http://www.travel-dental.com/web_engl/prices.htm[/url]

Highly recommended by many patients for quality, but more expensive than Thai dentists (a bridge is 35000 Baht / US$1000)

Any other recommendations?

[QUOTE=Piper1]...Any other recommendations?[/QUOTE]
I go to another "German Dental Clinic" aka "Inter Dental Clinic" (don't know if related) on Thappraya Rd (the road from South Pattaya to Jomtien) and am very satisfied with their services which are quite reasonable and inexpensive. (cleaning is only $24USD)

I thought I was going to need several crowns but after an examination was told that I didn't need any so I believe they are quite honest and reliable.

The office is large; there are several dentists; and scrupulously clean.

162/197 Moo 10
Thappraya Rd
#038-251-289

I like women in general of all shapes and sizes. In addition to the usual sized Thai ladies which I love, I was wondering if anyone has noticed any place, bar, disco where ever where ladies that were a little thicker (wider hips, bubble butts) tended to hang out? It may sound like a silly question to some, but I have always learned in like it never hurts to ask.

Thanks,

JohnnieBravo

I do not know about such a place. I also like wider hips and bubble butts. From my observation, such girls don't work in GoGos, since they think they are ugly. I saw some, but very seldom on walking street (ge careful there are also many LB, whose fill in these spec.) and in freelancer places, like Marine Disco.
Sometimes I meet girls with wide hips, but bubble butts are really seldom to find on a Thai girl.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I like women in general of all shapes and sizes. In addition to the usual sized Thai ladies which I love, I was wondering if anyone has noticed any place, bar, disco where ever where ladies that were a little thicker (wider hips, bubble butts) tended to hang out? [/QUOTE]

Any place frequented by Arabs is a good bet. They tend to prefer the Thicker girls also.

I'd say Grace Hotel, Grace hotel Massage downstairs, Cupidy Soapy (basement of the Plaza Entertainment complex, behind prince hotel).

I reported earlier as Daddy07, I visited the German Dental on Thappraya Rd. next to the 7/11, they are pretty in the ballpark in place as Bangkok Pattaya Hospital and other top dentist. There is a guy on Soi 5, Central Pattaya as you go down Soi 5, towards Beach rd. the building small shack is on the left side can't miss it. He is also around the 35,000 mark. The big difference in the German place is that he has his own lab and can do it in a few days whereas many take weeks.

Once you get into that amount 35,000 you might want to consider implants at Siracha Hospital, I heard they start as low as 40,000.

LBM

You want them thick and even fat... I suggest you try Soi 6, in my opinion that Soi has the biggest volume of thick, if that is what you want to call them in Pattaya.

LBM

[QUOTE=Dawg77]

Guys, are there any specific bars and go-go's you can recommend for young (18-21) beautiful girls? (Actually, for me cuteness outweighs beauty, but anyways).

Please bear with me for asking all these super basic questions. Man, I'm soooo exited to be going to LOS again![/QUOTE]

Yes, there are defiantly two Go-Go Bars on walking street that specialize in these types of girls. They are also two of the largest and well kept. They are called Happy A Go Go and Super Baby's.

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]While I have seen many reports of places that people enjoy and recommend, I have not seen all that many reports of places to NOT visit. Sure, some reports with hints (and obvious STAY AWAY messages) of places not to visit have been posted - but I would really appreciate if you have suggestions of such places...and why you think its a good idea to not visit them.

Trying to gather some information before I head down in june of what places to stay clear of ;)[/QUOTE]

People here often ask for recommendations of bars. For the most part, almost all bars are hit and miss. This means, which girl type do you happen to personally like, also happen to be working at that particular bar that day.

The same answer applies to your question. First, if you stay in the tourist areas. I live here and I do. Then you will be fine unless you do something stupid. But, that does not mean an individual working at some bar might not try to rip you off on that day. I have been to about every bar in this town and I can't say one of them is a rip off joint.

Second, remember when you here nobody is going to help you out but yourself. So, you need to avoid confrontation at all cost. If you see a large number of men drinking and speaking loudly you should probably avoid that place.

Third, the really only place you could have a problem in the tourist areas are the beaches themselves late at night when your drunk. You really don't want to walk on Pattaya beach back to your hotel with your new Thai girlfriend at 3 AM in the morning. It is very dark then and reports of theft there are quite frequent.

Fourth, overall I feel very safe in Pattaya. But, like any city you need to be cautious and avoid un-safe places. Such as walking down streets that are dark and deserted in the middle of the night when your drunk. If you use common sense and always but always stay around other people you will be fine. But, get drunk and open your mouth to the wrong person could turn into big problems you really don't want in Thailand.

Writing this I noticed how many times I used the word "DRUNK." I realize it is because that is the condition half the town is in most of the time.

Another thing I noticed writing this is that it is 8 PM and I am trying to decide if I want to go out or not. The BIG question is? Do I want to take the 15 minute bus ride from Jomtien into Pattaya?

Here people are traveling half the way around the world to get here, like I did on my first visit and now I am thinking if the 15 minute ride is worth it.

You really get so jaded when you live here as long as I have. Since, there is no other city else in the world like Pattaya, how am I ever going to live someplace else. I don't think I can.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]You want them thick and even fat... I suggest you try Soi 6, in my opinion that Soi has the biggest volume of thick, if that is what you want to call them in Pattaya.

LBM[/QUOTE]

I guess he like me wants not fat but curvy. Will say no strait liner between hips and waist.;)

[QUOTE=Bill Miami]You really get so jaded when you live here as long as I have. Since, there is no other city else in the world like Pattaya, how am I ever going to live someplace else. I don't think I can.[/QUOTE]How long have you been living there, how much are your monthly expenses, and are you retired or do you work there, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm 27 and thinking of ditching my current life and moving to Thailand (BKK, and Pattaya on weekends OR simply Pattaya).

Your opinion?

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I like women in general of all shapes and sizes. In addition to the usual sized Thai ladies which I love, I was wondering if anyone has noticed any place, bar, disco where ever where ladies that were a little thicker (wider hips, bubble butts) tended to hang out? It may sound like a silly question to some, but I have always learned in like it never hurts to ask.

Thanks,

JohnnieBravo[/QUOTE]As has been said, try Arab Town for the larger ladies. On Walking Street head away from the new neon Walking Street arch. After Tonys Disco on the left and the Simon Beer Bar complex on the right the next main landmark you will come to is Rolling Stone 2 music bar. Turn left up the soi before RS2 and there are a whole series of beer bars lining the soi. The further up you go the more the bars cater to the Arabs. Look out for the hookah pipes and the Arab music. The soi then enters Marine Plaza which the street signs and shops in Arabic will indicate you are in the right place. Warning! It is very noisy.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I like women in general of all shapes and sizes. In addition to the usual sized Thai ladies which I love, I was wondering if anyone has noticed any place, bar, disco where ever where ladies that were a little thicker (wider hips, bubble butts) tended to hang out? It may sound like a silly question to some, but I have always learned in like it never hurts to ask.

Thanks,

JohnnieBravo[/QUOTE]Same here - I like women of all shapes and sizes, but I prefer women with womanly bodies, rather than skinny little things.
Don't worry, I have found them in Thailand, and so will you.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Same here - I like women of all shapes and sizes, but I prefer women with womanly bodies, rather than skinny little things...[/QUOTE]
Different tastes is a wonderful thing.

I'll take the skinny little things every time. :)

Lucky for me, they are here in abundance.

(But, to answer JB's question, I have seen 4 or 5 full figured, i.e. thick limbed fatties, at Sister's A-go-go on Walking Street dancing completey nude in order to show off their plus sized charms. :D)

I'd prefer the little spinner types with a tight little arse over a yard of lard any day.

There is no accounting for taste, but I find it hard to believe anyone would come all the way to Thailand looking for ..erm, well padded girls. I figure that you can find enough of them back home:D.

Here's an example of my favourite body type.

Agreed variety and differing tastes are what makes the world go round, however I was under the impression half of us travel round the world to LOS for the LBFMs which are, as quoted, available in abundance.

What is all this talk of ''thick'' girls anyway, in my book the word 'thick' still means stupid and FAT means FAT !!

If you want FAT visit or stay in the good old US of A, and more recently the UK, where 'McDonalds Supersize' appears to be the norm.

For me its got to be a 50:50 every time, and I know where to find em :D

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]What is all this talk of ''thick'' girls anyway, in my book the word 'thick' still means stupid and FAT means FAT !![/quote]

Hahahahahahaha I laughed really hard at that one :D

Sleeping with a fat girl is also great, I mean, weight wise, it's like getting 2 girls at the same time

[QUOTE=Paul2020]As of last week Tammy answered to Tammy. Called up one afternoon and made an appointment for 11:00 the next day. She did say that she was going home for Songkran for 2 (perhaps she said 3) weeks. Dittos to the above as far as her performance.[/QUOTE]

I'm in Pattaya for the week on annual leave, and went to look for this Yellow House/Yellow Massage place.

I found a Yellow House on Soi 4, it's just a few meters across the street from Soi 6.

The staff had confused looks when I asked for Tammy. Was wondering if I may have gone to the wrong Yellow House, but I opted to get a legit Thai massage (no extras) as consolation.

I recognize the masseuse who serviced me from the Yellow House staff pic below, but no Tammy :(

[url]http://www.crudebay.com/aboutme_photos_details.php?userid=6&ame=1&photo=6[/url]

[QUOTE=Dodgy Fellow]I'm in Pattaya for the week on annual leave, and went to look for this Yellow House/Yellow Massage place.

I found a Yellow House on Soi 4, it's just a few meters across the street from Soi 6.

The staff had confused looks when I asked for Tammy. Was wondering if I may have gone to the wrong Yellow House, but I opted to get a legit Thai massage (no extras) as consolation.

I recognize the masseuse who serviced me from the Yellow House staff pic below, but no Tammy :(

[url]http://www.crudebay.com/aboutme_photos_details.php?userid=6&ame=1&photo=6[/url][/QUOTE]
Yellow House is definitely on soi 6 Jomtien Beach Rd -- not Soi 4, and Tammy is smiling sweetly right in the top center of the photo you posted.

You must have been scammed by some of Tammy's jealous co-workers.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yellow House is definitely on soi 6 Jomtien Beach Rd -- not Soi 4, and Tammy is smiling sweetly right in the top center of the photo you posted.

You must have been scammed by some of Tammy's jealous co-workers.[/QUOTE]I read on another forum of her fans that Tammy's in France for a wedding. sounds bizarre, but there you go.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy] Sleeping with a fat girl is also great, I mean, weight wise, it's like getting 2 girls at the same time[/QUOTE]So if I take a spinner and a cuddly girl together, it will be like having three girls with me. Good idea!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Sleeping with a fat girl is also great.[/QUOTE]How about so large you have to balance on top because your hands and knees don't touch the mattress?

Slim

Yellow house was found on Soi 6.

I asked for Tammy. Staff told me she is still "at home" (village) until "next month". When I asked if she was coming back in May, they said "June".

I took a new girl named Jenny (not in the picture posted below).

Jenny is very small and cute.

Her oil massage is more of an oil "caress".

Almost no pressure applied to the muscles.

She finished with a hand job, no discussion of price.

She seems inexperienced but got me off fine.

Oil massage price is 300.

I tipped her 300.

Should have tipped her 200, I think.

WIR: I will to try Tammy some day, but Jenny was unremarkable.

[quote=Dodgy Fellow]I'm in Pattaya for the week on annual leave, and went to look for this Yellow House/Yellow Massage place.

I found a Yellow House on Soi 4, it's just a few meters across the street from Soi 6.

The staff had confused looks when I asked for Tammy. Was wondering if I may have gone to the wrong Yellow House, but I opted to get a legit Thai massage (no extras) as consolation.

I recognize the masseuse who serviced me from the Yellow House staff pic below, but no Tammy

[url]http://www.crudebay.com/aboutme_pho...6&ame=1&photo=6[/url][/quote][QUOTE=Daddy07]Yellow House is definitely on soi 6 Jomtien Beach Rd -- not Soi 4, and Tammy is smiling sweetly right in the top center of the photo you posted.

You must have been scammed by some of Tammy's jealous co-workers.[/QUOTE]Actually it's more because I mistook [i]which[/i] Yellow House to go to. Turns out all this time I thought there was only one Soi 6 (the one with the My Friend You Bar, Kong Bar other BJ bars), because I've never been to Jomtien beach - I spend all the time on Pattaya beach side whenever I'm here.

I was finally able to find the right Soi 6 with the Yellow House that's been getting so much buzz here. Tammy was gone for the day, so I just signed up for an oil massage with another provider. She offered a handjob, but I declined as she wasn't my type.

[quote=JHolmesJr]I read on another forum of her fans that Tammy's in France for a wedding. sounds bizarre, but there you go.[/quote]That's...quite a trip to take. If that's the case, it's a shame I wouldn't be able to make use of her services. Maybe next time (hopefully).

Yellow House, is in Jomtien, Soi 6, one Soi over from Soi 5, which is where the Pattaya Immigration office is locate. Soi 6, is a deadead Soi, as you enter Soi 6, Yellow house is the place far down to the right. There is another massage place just before yellow house so don't make a mistake. Once they see you coming they start to wave you down.

As for Tammy, she went home ( Nakorn Sawan ) for Songkon then came back right after and over the weekend had to go back. The story is from one of the girls is she had a family emergency but you never know. By email in March she told me that she was thinking about quitting and going to the temple. She has also turn off her phone so one can only guess. A friend who also see Tammy saw her last week and has tried several other girls and he said once you had Tammy no one else comes even close to her at Yellow House.

LBM

Unlike those who dislike the "loud" music associated with discos, I complete my "youth fantasy" with dancing and music styles of 20-30 yo. I seriously enjoy R&B/HipHop, so in BKK I thoroughly enjoyed RCA (Slim and Route66) and Hollywood discos. In Pattaya I like to listen to a fun live band at Candyshop (opposite Soi 15) from 11 to 12:00, then head to Lucifers or Walking Street discos. Techno is not my favorite, so I did not care for Tony's or Insomnia discos. (with the later being the better of the two). I was somewhat surprised that no disco had a cover charge, but usually a one drink minimum.

The band in Candy shop is a joke! They sound terrible, laughable.

The band in Lucifers plays along to pre recorded music. Go around back and watch them que up the songs on a laptop!

Insomnia has Top class DJ's

To each his own I guess.

There are no covers OR drink minimum anywhere.

[QUOTE=Westsider]Unlike those who dislike the "loud" music associated with discos, I complete my "youth fantasy" with dancing and music styles of 20-30 yo. I seriously enjoy R&B/HipHop, so in BKK I thoroughly enjoyed RCA (Slim and Route66) and Hollywood discos. In Pattaya I like to listen to a fun live band at Candyshop (opposite Soi 15) from 11 to 12:00, then head to Lucifers or Walking Street discos. Techno is not my favorite, so I did not care for Tony's or Insomnia discos. (with the later being the better of the two). I was somewhat surprised that no disco had a cover charge, but usually a one drink minimum.[/QUOTE]

Went to Sabai Land soapy today. First time there, about 20 girls, ranging from all ages and sizes. There was not a one way mirror so they were doing there thinking, smiling and calling to the customers.

Took #182 or 162, 25 yrs old from Chiang Mai. Probably not true by her accent and dark skin tone. No wai so I wasn't expecting too much. Paid 1600, bossman wanted tip, told him sure if the service was great. Not great but good enough for first time in Pattaya.

Did the body slide thing, everyone has to try it once. I think I enjoy the oily more. She couldn't massage for crap but slide up and down so little brother woke up.
So the no wai was a good indicator then she said you get on top because too big. I guess she used up her energy during the body slide. Finished up and then gave her 200 B tip. She said 500 plz, by then I wanted to get out of there so why no. Not fucking tipping the bossman though.

The place is pretty run down, nice size fish bowl but small room. Rather be in Nataree in BKK instead.

Looks good in the fish bowl but got a little tummy. Enjoy the pics. Will try out Sabai Dee massage next time.

[QUOTE=Dodgy Fellow]I'm in Pattaya for the week on annual leave, and went to look for this Yellow House/Yellow Massage place.

I found a Yellow House on Soi 4, it's just a few meters across the street from Soi 6.

The staff had confused looks when I asked for Tammy. Was wondering if I may have gone to the wrong Yellow House, but I opted to get a legit Thai massage (no extras) as consolation.

I recognize the masseuse who serviced me from the Yellow House staff pic below, but no Tammy :(

[url]http://www.crudebay.com/aboutme_photos_details.php?userid=6&ame=1&photo=6[/url][/QUOTE]Just got an e-mail from Tammy, she will not be back in Pattaya until the end of May. I will keep you up-dated.

[QUOTE=Ranger775][url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Pattaya-Woo-Visitors-Free-Rooms-t259369.html[/url][/QUOTE]Anyone heard anything new regarding this?

I have serched the Bangkok Post but didn't come up with anything.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Yellow House, is in Jomtien, Soi 6, one Soi over from Soi 5, which is where the Pattaya Immigration office is locate. Soi 6, is a deadead Soi, as you enter Soi 6, Yellow house is the place far down to the right. There is another massage place just before yellow house so don't make a mistake. Once they see you coming they start to wave you down.

As for Tammy, she went home ( Nakorn Sawan ) for Songkon then came back right after and over the weekend had to go back. The story is from one of the girls is she had a family emergency but you never know. By email in March she told me that she was thinking about quitting and going to the temple. She has also turn off her phone so one can only guess. A friend who also see Tammy saw her last week and has tried several other girls and he said once you had Tammy no one else comes even close to her at Yellow House.

LBM[/QUOTE]

Yep, I was able to find the place after realizing yesterday that there's a whole stretch of beach (i.e. Jomtien) that I've never been to despite having visited Pattaya several times the past few years.

If Tammy's quitting the business...well, it's a shame I missed out. But it's good she's not staying forever in it.

Unless you mean she's going to become a nun if she's "going to the temple" <_<

[quote=Belmont]
The band in Candy shop is a joke! They sound terrible, laughable.
The band in Lucifers plays along to pre recorded music. Go around back and watch them que up the songs on a laptop!
Insomnia has Top class DJ's
To each his own I guess.
[/quote]

I doubt if the average visitor to either establishment is really paying attention to the band. Unless the band has great tits.

Dodgy Fellow.

As Crude Bay indicated Tammy is coming back at the end of May.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Pattaya-Woo-Visitors-Free-Rooms-t259369.html[/url]

[QUOTE=TripleX]Anyone heard anything new regarding this?

I have serched the Bangkok Post but didn't come up with anything.[/QUOTE]Nothing much heard, however I do note that there seem to be plenty of offers on sites such as asiatravel.com, hotels with stay 6 nights pay 4 etc.
Maybe that constitutes the Free Room that this 'politically soft' article is referring to?

As for getting an entirely Free Room, dont hold you breath, you might as well wait for a Free Lunch to go with it.

Cheers, FF

Just had a great experience with 2 freelancers along Beach Road. Each girl was $500 baht plus I tipped one $100 baht and the other who really did more $200 baht. Nice bbjcim performance. They were both pretty thin in typical t
Thai fashion with one being what could be termed as a "spinner".

Was wondering if anybody has ever come across a Thai lady who had "plushie" nips. For those who aren't familiar they are nips that kind of resemble hershey's kisses.

Thanks Woodman2 for the lead on the more full-figured ladies. Haven't scored one yet, but I will keep trying.

JohnnieBravo

As a way to round out my experience I thought I might give this a go. Anyone on here ever try this place and care to report? Thanks!

Just came back from Soi 6, walked up and down several times, didn't see anything good. Just as I was about to head towards beach street and back to my room, stopped at Red Point and saw a girl coming out from a store across from it. She told me to go inside and check out the girls but I knew I wanted her. Asked her about the price, got quoted at 1300. I countered with 1000, she said I can ask the girls, some will take 1000. Said no for you. She asked if this was the price for right now. Told her hellz yeah! Been backed up for couple days now.

Great service. Somewhat loose but very PSE. Sorry no pics. Very good english skill, very British. Mentioned her step dad is a Brit. From Udon and has a kid. Will go back because she let me cum in her mouth. Tipped her 100.

The room was very nice for a "***** house". Only bad thing was that she spitted the cum on the floor and used my towel to wiped it up. Told her, hopefully they use beach for the laundry. She laughed and said of course.

Note to self, bring little towel for before and after show. Don't want to use theirs to wipe my face.

Heading to the pool to kill whatever is floating around my body. LOL

Mauldid,

I have been to Red Point lots of times and as far back as a year the rate was 500 baht for the girl and 250 for the house. Now the going rate including Red Point is 700 Baht and 300 for the house. If you ask the rate is surely going up. At Red Point the girls are usually sitting outside, check them out, and then take the one you want inside for a chat or what. I never talk money and they assume I know the prices so I just give them 700 Baht. I usually buy them a drink also for myself to cool down and feel them out. Prior to taking them to the room the bar bill is usually 480 Baht for the room and drinks.

I seriously doubt that the girl even know what bleach is? In regards to sheets you're lucky if they change the sheets once a day. Look closely and you will see stains over stains but why ruin your high. Just go with the flow and make sure you get your shower after. I haven't been there in over 6 months because the last time I was there I didn't appreciate the attitude of the Mammasan.

On Soi 6, I personally wouldn't pay more than 700 Baht unless you are seeing a regular and she giving you beyond something of your expectation. Give Ruby's bar a try! they have a small front but inside the bar is pretty big and the rooms have mirrors on the ceiling. They have a few good looking girls just be patient while looking. Ruby's is just before Red Point also on the right as you past the big wooden massage parlor.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan] Give Ruby's bar a try! they have a small front but inside the bar is pretty big and the rooms have mirrors on the ceiling. They have a few good looking girls just be patient while looking. Ruby's is just before Red Point also on the right as you past the big wooden massage parlor.

LBM[/QUOTE]Walked by Ruby because of the great reports about it, but didn't see any lookers. Will try again though. Thanks for the tip.

Mal

Mauldid,

Ruby, I believe only has 6/7 girls working there. I mostly venture there at around 12 noon or 1PM, Not many girls but I have seen a few good ones and they are usually taken inside to the bar. I know there is a fat one always sitting outside. Never had her so lets be nice and say she has a full figure. I got a call yesterday from Dao, she is older and has been working for a long time and has a good head on her shoulder as to what she is doing. For a provider in her mid-30's she has a great body with enhance breast but they are done nicely. She usually dresses in a nice low cut dress and high heels but will be going home for a few days starting May 4th, give her a try she provides a nice deep throat BBBJ, and give you a good lick in the ass.

Usual payment is 480 baht, includes 2 drinks and Barfine and room. My usual payment to Dao is 700 Baht. Not sure if Dao does LT, she has a room next door to Ruby's. My friends has taken a few LT, after 1AM, closing time and paid 1,000 baht.

LBM

On my recent trip to Pattaya I picked up this Bar Girl, or she picked me up. Average looks, sweet smile and a plesant personality. We get back to my room and after a while she gets a text message on her phone. The message is written in english. She hands me her phone and asks me to read it to her. The message is from a guy in Farangland, I miss you, I love you etc. I ask if he sends her money, she tells me no. Then I think how stupid a question was that to ask her. Its as stupid as asking her "are you married" or "do you have thai man". She then tells me she has only customer "same me". Whatever you say darling.

The next night the same thing happens only this time she goes to her handbag and grabs out this little book, the title is, Get Rich Quick English For Bar Girls. For the next 40 minutes she carefully crafts a short, stock standard, reply to her love struck sponser. She asks me to check that the text reads ok then sends it. She tells me about the 3 farang men sending her texts, all comming back to spend time with her. One of them has paid for her passport but she can't get a visa, although she has not applied for it yet. Whatever you say darling.

The next evening back in my room she gives me her phone to look at a recently received message from one of the 3 guys in farangland. Part of the text reads like this "what is pregnant ". I tell her, he is asking you what does pregnant mean. She looks at me and says "what pregnant", I explain "have baby inside". She looks puzzled shrugs her sholders then puts her phone away.

A few minutes later suprise suprise her phone starts ringing. Guess who, its passport man. She jumps up and heads for the door where I can't see her. I listen to her saying all the right things, I stay hone look tv, I not work bar, I love you too much Blar Blar Blar. I spent a few nights wth this girl, for me, she was a good GFE. In a way I can understand why others have fallen for her. She is what she is and she does it very well.

Got this picture from another site, wonder if she is still there?

Nice rack and smile.

Mal

[QUOTE=Mauldid]Got this picture from another site, wonder if she is still there? Nice rack and smile. Mal[/QUOTE]Hi Mauldid,

What side are the pictures of Ruby?

Cheers!

Low season and political strife might be slowing business as usual in Bangkok, but Pattaya remains as lively as ever. Traffic from Jomtien to South Pattaya was bumper to bumper last night; Walking Street was crowded with revelers; Happy a-go-go was jammed full with customers as if it were New Years eve; and lots of pretty new faces were seen.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Low season and political strife might be slowing business as usual in Bangkok, but Pattaya remains as lively as ever. Traffic from Jomtien to South Pattaya was bumper to bumper last night; Walking Street was crowded with revelers; Happy a-go-go was jammed full with customers as if it were New Years eve; and lots of pretty new faces were seen.
[/QUOTE]From the small glimpse I've seen today, I'd have to agree. I ended up in Pattaya this afternoon instead of Phuket after arriving at Bangkok airport (long story). Once I made the decision to go to Pattaya I jumped in a shiny new cab - the driver had walked over to me while I was looking for a bus, and asked me "Pattaya?" How the fuck did he know? ;) Do I look like a middle-aged desperado? Don't answer that.

1500 Baht for the cab - I didn't bargain - I wasted enough time already so I gave up on waiting for a bus. On the road, I called my first choice of hotels (Areca Lodge) using the cabbie's phone. They are fully booked the next few days!

So I called my second choice: Pattaya Bay Resort - they said they had only one room left, so I snapped it up fast - turns out it's a large well-appointed deluxe room for 1600. Clean and modern, *very* spacious, flat-screen TV, coffee-maker, and kitchenette. Excellent internet. And a bed big enough for four! The shower is hot and strong, just like my women. And did I mention the bed is big enough for four?

The advertised 'large pool' was a major draw for me. So as soon as I dropped my luggage in the room, I went upstairs to check the roof-top pool. I guess it's relatively large at 15 metres, but not large enough for lap-swimming. Besides, it was full of grinning middle-aged men splashing about with sweet young giggling things in skimpy bikinis. How inconsiderate!

Next stop - had to rush to my dental appointment I'd made from the cab. I showed Kim (the hotel's friendly American manager) the dentist's location on the map and asked him for directions. It looked pretty close on the map, but he said it wasn't walking distance. He explained the hotel's free tuk-tuk would take me out of the hotel's soi, then I could get a baht bus to the main road, then walk the rest of the way to the clinic. Too complicated for me, so I just walked from the hotel to the clinic - a whopping 10 minutes. (Doesn't anyone in Pattaya ever walk more than three minutes?)

I spent an hour in the dental clinic for a quote and initial treatment - the dentist is a 30ish trendy metrosexual (maybe gay) guy with long coiffed hair, earrings, multi-colored shoes, red jeans and scary blue contact lens - he looks like a psychadelic Thai vampire. I actually had second thoughts about letting him put things in my mouth when I first saw him, but it turns out he's a damn good dentist. Plus, the clinic's quote for bridges, crowns, scaling and whitening is about US$3000, compared to my Dubai dentist's quote of US$11,000 for the same work. So, Dr. Psychadelic Thai Vampire Dentist - see you again tomorrow and the next few days.

Next I popped into a mall to buy supplies and a SIM card, and fell in love with about 15 flirty shop cuties within 30 minutes. Walking back to the hotel, I saw dozens of wiggling little hotties in skimpy outfits, and kept thinking evil thoughts to myself: "You will be mine tonight. Oh yes, you will be mine!"

Now as I tell this tedious tale of decisions and dentistry, vampires and vamps, while slowly sipping a Singha, I'm thinking of heading to Fifty-Fifty's recommended hotel (Nova Platinum) tonight, to check the 'large' pool. If the rooms are as nice as my current room, and the pool is good - I might switch hotels tomorrow.

I still haven't worked up the courage to tell Wildcat I'm in Pattaya for six days - she thinks I flew directly to business meetings in Australia. I'm hoping my sparkling new Tom Cruise smile and the $8,000 saving on dental work will make her forgive me. Either that or she will knock all my teeth out when I get back to Dubai. :D

Mauldid,

Yes that's her! I spoke to her the other day and she ask where have I been? She is leaving town May 4th, to take her daughter back to school upcountry and will be back in a few days.

Don't listen to Daddy07 or Piper1, the streets are pack with cars and locals trying to get out of town to look for work in Bangkok. There is no action here in Pattaya cause the ladies are too ugly. They are anti-farang charging us double for everything including using our ATM cards. No action no girls!

LBM

[QUOTE=Mauldid]...Soi 6... Asked her about the price, got quoted at 1300. I countered with 1000, she said I can ask the girls, some will take 1000. Said no for you. She asked if this was the price for right now.
[/QUOTE]

Are you saying the price was 1,000 all in, including the 'bar fine'? If so you only overpaid by about 200 baht. The price on Soi 6 is 300 baht for the bar, and 500 baht for the girl.

Regarding the busy-ness of Pattaya even during the Depression, it is worth noting that Pattaya is (still, for the moment) selling something that is not really available anywhere else in the world, and that the customers for that something will move heaven and earth to make it back. In other words the trip to Pattaya will be the very Last Thing to be sacrificed for most mongers - let the house go, the car, maybe live under the bridge, but make it back to Pattaya.

[QUOTE]The price on Soi 6 is 300 baht for the bar, and 500 baht for the girl.[/QUOTE]Nothing bores me more than price discussions, but for the benefit of newcomers who might be tempted to believe this, let's set the record straight.

Most Soi 6 places now charge ฿300 for ST barfine/room. Most Soi 6 girls now expect at least ฿700 for themselves. A few uglies/oldies will settle for ฿500, which was the rate for quite a few years, but most will be moderately to extremely unhappy/pissed off/etc. if that's all you offer. It's not an act. They know their market value.

A few places like Betty Boup keep it simple by charging ฿1000 all inclusive. And of course some girls, the stars of each bar, routinely expect and get more than ฺ฿700.

To repeat, for the hard of hearing: ฺ฿700 is the new ฿500 on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]Polo Club: Euro girls.

As a way to round out my experience I thought I might give this a go. Anyone on here ever try this place and care to report? Thanks![/QUOTE]Amongst other places, I popped into Polo Club briefly last night. (What a crazy night - more on that later). There were mostly Russian girls in Polo Club, and probably high priced - I didn't bother asking. Not bad looking, but they didn't compare to the sweet fun Thai girls I played with last night in the clubs.

After checking out several clubs on Walking Street for couple of hours, I ended up taking home an Indianesque slim sweetie. Very dark skin, big eyes, slutty make-up, very long black hair, and Indian jewellery on her forehead. Although stunning, she's a real bullshitter - she asked for only 1,000 for three hours, plus 300 barfine, telling me I can pay her the barfine later - but we were in a freelancer bar! I'd made the mistake of telling her it was my first time in Pattaya, so she thought I was a newbie and could fool me. Good try, and I ribbed her about her poor bullshitting. No problems - she gave me such a good time back in the hotel room (all holes and wild) I paid her 1500. I promised to let her take me to Jomtien Beach tomorrow. We'll see.

Earlier in the night I took a cab from my hotel to suss out Nova Platinum Hotel. Good recommendation Fifty Fifty - I booked in for the next five nights. The deluxe rooms are good, and the wall-mirrors next to the bed, massive pool and pool views from the room convinced me to switch hotels. I got the girls at reception down from 2,200 to 1,900/night (for the room, not for the girls at reception - although one of them was cute).

When I see a belly tatoo on a girl from a distance, I know she has had a baby and is trying to hide the stretch marks. This clue saves me the trouble of bothering to approach her.

I don't seek out girls that have had babies, although I have had one girl recently who I was shocked to find out had had a baby even though she showed no stretch marks and had a very firm tight body. She told me she goes to the gym daily. Had a great LT time session with her though I ended up spending a lot that night - almost 6K when I added up the barfine, drinks, bowling, dinner and her tip! Not too bad though, as the sex was fantastic!

I'm getting bored with the Go Go pushy buy-me-drinK atmosphere! I'm finding that the girls don't want to, or Mamasan won't let them go LT with customers. They have found that if they do, at 10 pm, all that is left is the uglies and fatties and no one will want to drink in the bar!

I had my eye on one girl at Super Baby and after calling her over, and buying her a drink, she says she already has a customer for the night. I tried again the next day because she is exactly my type, same story reserved by a Japanese customer, but as the day before, he wasn't there yet. I said you must really like him and she says" Noooo, I like Mun-Neeeee!" At least she is true to her creed. The Japanese guy must be dropping some serious cash on her.

After that I strolled on second road near Soi Diana and pulled a 32 year old dancer with great tits and a great body for a LT session. Sorry, she wouldn't allow photos! She's a very horny girl - I used 4 condoms with her! I'm not blowing my own horn, but I know she enjoyed herself too. She was great and I'm going to take her again tonight.

Unfortunately for my fellow voyeurs out there, I'm finding more and more, girls not allowing photos. I believe it's because the photos being posted are showing the girls face or other identifying tatoos or jewelry. I always hide the girls face on my photo posts.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Mauldid]Got this picture from another site, wonder if she is still there?

Nice rack and smile.

Mal[/QUOTE]

NoCBJ4Me,

From your post, you quoted Mauldid, are you saying you barfine her?

LBM

[QUOTE=Betong]Nothing bores me more than price discussions, but for the benefit of newcomers who might be tempted to believe this, let's set the record straight.

Most Soi 6 places now charge ฿300 for ST barfine/room. Most Soi 6 girls now expect at least ฿700 for themselves. A few uglies/oldies will settle for ฿500, which was the rate for quite a few years, but most will be moderately to extremely unhappy/pissed off/etc. if that's all you offer. It's not an act. They know their market value.

A few places like Betty Boup keep it simple by charging ฿1000 all inclusive. And of course some girls, the stars of each bar, routinely expect and get more than ฺ฿700.

To repeat, for the hard of hearing: ฺ฿700 is the new ฿500 on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]I paid 700 baht barfine at Roxy to take the girl out at 4pm for LT. Agreed to pay girl 1000 baht for LT, she left at 7am in the morning. I thought this was a decent deal as we got to spend lots of time together. Some other Soi 6 bars may also do the same, I think most bars, the girls will ask for a min of 1500 baht LT plus 700 BF.

LBM, I quoted Mauldid because he posted a photo of a bar girl that had the belly tatoo trying to cover up the stretch marks from having a baby.

NoCBJ4me,

I refered this women to Mauldid, and your assumption that she has stretch marks because of the tatoos is 100% wrong. I have seen her many many many times and although she has the tatoos isn't because she has stretch marks. I can first hand verify that you are wrong since I have been licking her body and pussy for sometime.

LBM

Well I got my pocket picked today. It was a nice set-up by an old woman, a fat 10-12 year old girl and possibly a ladyboy.

I got on a baht bus in North Pattaya heading for Beach Road. I sat between them, as this was the only space left. Then a ladyboy hopped on, so we had to slide down. The fat kid kind of pushed me into the old woman while sliding over to make room for the ladyboy. This is when I think the old woman got almost 3K from my pocket. She was good - I never felt a thing. If the kid was any good, she would have gotten the 3.5K I had in my other pocket from just having left the currency change place. They were probably watching me change my money and followed me from there.

My guess is they've done this a lot, otherwise that kid probably would have been skinny.

Oh well, at least I didn't lose a wallet, credit cards and ID's - just cash. It's my 4th time in LOS and the first time having my pocket picked.

My bad. In the photo Mauldid posted, it really looks like stretch marks on her belly to me. I guess I need new glasses.

I've seen many girls doing this, and from the photo, it looked like another example to me.

Here's the photo, anyone agree with me?

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=113852[/url]

She does have nice tits and a cute face.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]NoCBJ4me,

I refered this women to Mauldid, and your assumption that she has stretch marks because of the tatoos is 100% wrong. I have seen her many many many times and although she has the tatoos isn't because she has stretch marks. I can first hand verify that you are wrong since I have been licking her body and pussy for sometime.

LBM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Well I got my pocket picked today. It was a nice set-up by an old woman, a fat 10-12 year old girl and possibly a ladyboy.

I got on a baht bus in North Pattaya heading for Beach Road. I sat between them, as this was the only space left. Then a ladyboy hopped on, so we had to slide down. The fat kid kind of pushed me into the old woman while sliding over to make room for the ladyboy. This is when I think the old woman got almost 3K from my pocket. She was good - I never felt a thing. .[/QUOTE]


So having experienced this once, you now know what to do to ensure it doesn't happen to you again, right?

[QUOTE=Run Mann]So having experience this once, you now know what to do to ensure it doesn't happen to you again, right?[/QUOTE]

Yes - to be more aware of my surroundings.

I'll have to forego smacking the old hag, if I ever see her again.

NoCBJ4me,

Hey I looked at the picture! and yes in the picture if one had to guess it does look like stretch marks. I won't go into a long draw out story as to why the tatoos but she has 2 kids, her girl just turn 18 years of age and going to a University her son is 16 years of age. I was first attracted to her because she has big tits and I could see she was a older provider and the sexy dress she was wearing showd me she took care of herself which is always a attraction to me. My thinking was she would be a good candiate for GFE, for me and as it turn out she was and is everytime I see her. In the room she always slowly undress for me, real sexy, and a great turn on. As I said she has taken good care of herself and although the room is dark and I have gone down on her I really never paid too much attention on stretch marks. Even if they are there it isn't they don't stand out! She is out of town and should be back by this weekend. Check it out for yourself and let me know!

LBM

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Well I got my pocket picked today. It was a nice set-up by an old woman, a fat 10-12 year old girl and possibly a ladyboy.

I got on a baht bus in North Pattaya heading for Beach Road. I sat between them, as this was the only space left. Then a ladyboy hopped on, so we had to slide down. The fat kid kind of pushed me into the old woman while sliding over to make room for the ladyboy. This is when I think the old woman got almost 3K from my pocket. She was good - I never felt a thing. If the kid was any good, she would have gotten the 3.5K I had in my other pocket from just having left the currency change place. They were probably watching me change my money and followed me from there.

My guess is they've done this a lot, otherwise that kid probably would have been skinny.

Oh well, at least I didn't lose a wallet, credit cards and ID's - just cash. It's my 4th time in LOS and the first time having my pocket picked.[/QUOTE]


Sorry to hear that.

When I am on the baht bus I tend to sit with one hand in each pocket and I have never had any problems.

It sounds like the same group that I have read about else where.

I hope that they get caught soon

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me] Unfortunately for my fellow voyeurs out there, I'm finding more and more, girls not allowing photos. [/QUOTE]Maybe you're right. I ended up with a crazy wild girl last night. Despite her leaving at 6am by agreement, then taking the liberty of returning to my room by surprise for more sex at 8am (!) she wouldn't allow any photos. So the only photos I can offer so far are views from my room at Nova Platinum Hotel today.

[b]'Euro' Girls in Galaxy Disco[/b]
I replied to a question by JohnnieBravo below about European girls in Polo Club. Just to expand briefly - they are Russian girls, and they're not actually in Polo club as advertised on the signs, but in the tiny Galaxy Disco next door. The doors of the two clubs are right next to each other up one flight of stairs. About 10 Russian girls, some not bad looking, and they have a party attitude - drinking laughing and dancing (as opposed to Russian girls in Dubai, who tend to be bored looking, just standing around smoking in the clubs).

[b]Polo Club - fun shows, excellent long massage during the show[/b]
I got tricked into entering the Polo Club instead of the Galaxy Club when looking for the "Euro" girls. I asked at the Polo Club door if there were Euro girls as advertised on the signs, they said yes and led me to a table. But I'm glad they tricked me - it turned out that Polo Club was a lot of fun - an all-Thai girl place (young Thai girls), and they put on several fun shows. They start off with a PG-rated "Nurse" show, where three nurses drag an audience member on stage and give him the works with medical instruments while stripping down naked (with simulated BJs, sitting on his face, etc). The show progresses through to S&M - naked girls whacking each other and audience members hard and very loud with rubber hoses (I got whacked a few times by a naked minx with her rubber hose while just sitting there minding my own business). The girls seem to love whacking guys and each other's naked asses hard with the hoses - lots of shrieking and laughter. Also in the show - some "Middle Eastern" dances of the seven veils etc, culminating in a full on lesbian show, with lots of DFK and munching each others' pussies.

The best part for me was watching the show and sipping a drink while getting a strong upper-body massage by a girl who turned up out of the blue, sat behind me, and just started massaging my back, shoulders, neck, head and arms - a professional massage, and it untied a few knots from a stressful week at work and lack of sleep on the overnight flight. Man it was 45 minutes of heaven, with a fun show to watch at the same time. Occasionally, my super-cute waitress joined in and helped the other girl massage me, giggling away and putting her hand out asking for 5000Baht. When I paid my bill, I tipped the waitress 100 and the massuese 200, and a lady drink each. I had considered taking the massuese home for more excellent massage and fun, but while fondling her during her massage, I could feel she had floppy boobs and floppy tummy.

[b] Crazy Stunner[/b]
Next, I left and found a stunning - but it turns out - crazy girl at a freelancer bar and took her to my hotel room around 3am. She left at 6am after two long wild rounds of every position and every hole. (She's a bit of a dominatrix - she took the initiative moving me into different positions, telling me to give her anal, and giving me prostrate massage while blowing me). She returned by surprise with loud knocking on my door two hours later at 8am, and managed to get two more rounds out of me over the next couple of hours. She tried for yet another round, but I was dead by then, and I told her to let me get a few hours sleep. I had a few hours of broken sleep while she watched TV, before we checked out of the hotel together. As per her request, I promised to call her later, then she went on her way and I checked into Nova Platinum Hotel. I'm still bushed!

I suspect she went somewhere to smoke Ice (Crystal Meth) during her two hours away between 6am and 8am. Earlier in the night she offered to get some Ice for us to smoke in my room as it would make us 'very horny' - but I said 'No way'. I've seen first-hand what metamphetamines can do to people. I think in her two hours away, she smoked some Ice, as she was hyper and horny when she returned at 8am, and she wouldn't sleep.

She's been calling all day telling me not to go with other girls tonight, and to keep her for the next five days. Even when I asked her to let me get off the phone because I had some calls to make, she just wouldn't get off the fucking phone - pretending to be jealous and repeatedly accusing me of having another girl with me - very annoying. I told her I'm busy and will stay home to work tonight, then I stopped answering her calls. Then the angry SMSs started coming in. I didn't answer them either. I didn't come to Pattaya to be nagged and accused all day - I can get that at home for free. ;)

The only photos I can offer so far are views from my room at Nova Platinum Hotel.[/QUOTE]Great little hotel, far from soi 7, 8 and 6 but 10 mins to Walking Street. Stayed there for 5 nights. I was in the other wing, small bathroom but nice size TV. Will stay there if Tim's Boutique is booked.

[QUOTE=Betong]To repeat, for the hard of hearing: ฺ฿700 is the new ฿500 on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]

Far be it from me to waste anyone's time with disputation, but in the interest of accuracy I would like to report that I am usually asked only 500, and even in the cases when I'm asked 700 no one has ever seemed to mind when I counter with an offer 500. I probably visit Soi Six an everage of two times per month, month in, month out.

[QUOTE=Piper1][b][b] Crazy Stunner[/b]
Next, I left and found a stunning - but it turns out - crazy girl at a freelancer bar ...[/QUOTE]

I was wondering where is a 'freelancer bar' in Pattaya? I don't know such places.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I was wondering where is a 'freelancer bar' in Pattaya? I don't know such places.[/QUOTE]
All the late night disco's, on or near Walking Street, including Tony's, Insomnia, Marine, Lucifer's, as well as Beer Garden, and a few other regular bars, are frequented by many freelancers, and thus may be fairly termed "freelancer bars."

[QUOTE=Opebo]Far be it from me to waste anyone's time with disputation, but in the interest of accuracy I would like to report that I am usually asked only 500, and even in the cases when I'm asked 700 no one has ever seemed to mind when I counter with an offer 500. I probably visit Soi Six an everage of two times per month, month in, month out.[/QUOTE]
Be honest now, Opebo ... are you engaging the younger cuties at that price?

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Be honest now, Opebo ... are you engaging the younger cuties at that price?[/QUOTE]

I never saw any that looked very young or cute on Soi Six, really...

But about the freelancer bars, thanks. He was probably talking about mostly about discos. I hate those places.

[quote=opebo]i was wondering where is a 'freelancer bar' in pattaya? i don't know such places.[/quote]i'll look for the name of the bar if i get to walking street tonight, but i'll have to do it by stealth - i don't want stalker girl to see me. she hasn't stopped phoning me today - waking me from much needed sleep, and constantly interrupting my work (she called from a few different numbers, so i would answer the phone). and this evening she actually turned up at my hotel and called me from reception's phone, telling me she wanted to come up and see me. i told her i was busy and couldn't see her. she said she 'knew' i had a girl with me, and she would wait in reception until i had to leave the room. she kept yabbering away and just wouldn't get off the damn phone. i firmly told her to leave and not call me anymore, and hung up the phone. then her smss started coming again: "you think i'm bad girl, you no like me!". she's right, the crazy stalker. business must be bad. don't know why - she's a good-looker.
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as i'm writing my tale of woe, the doorbell rang just now. i was hoping it wasn't stalker girl, but when i looked through the peephole, it was a very cute young thai girl. i'd called the hotel's massage spa earlier tonight to book a 60 minute oil massage for 10:30pm. but i didn't realize it would be in my room. she's coming back in 10 minutes - see ya!

[QUOTE=Piper1]...I don't want Crazy Girl to see me. She hasn't stopped phoning me today - ... the crazy stalker. Business must be bad. Don't know why - she's a good-looker...[/QUOTE]
You must have a really big dick, Piper1, or you paid her too much the first time, or both. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]You must have a really big dick, Piper1, or you paid her too much the first time, or both. :D[/QUOTE]None of the above unfortunately. Just the standard 9 inches. I paid her 1,500 for the agreed 3 hours and two sessions when she left at 6am. Then another 1,000 after her surprise return at 8am and another two rounds. Maybe a little too much, but she was as wild as they get, she did *everything*, and it's a long time since a girl got four shots out of this old man.

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In-room massage just finished. It was a good stong relaxing oil massage. The dark little cutie remained fully clothed, but she teased little piper to attention with a shy smile. I didn't pursue any possible extras - I'm saving that for later tonight. During the massage, I was thinking I should have made the effort to find a soapy massage place and take two naked girls for a double massage then shag both of them - can anyone recommend a good soapy place?

[quote=piper1]
as i'm writing my tale of woe, the doorbell rang just now. i was hoping it wasn't crazy girl, but when i looked through the peephole, it was a very cute young thai girl. i had called the hotel's massage spa earlier to book a 60 minute oil massage for 10:30pm. but i didn't realize it would be in my room. she's coming back in 10 minutes - see ya![/quote]

would you mind sharing what hotel you're staying at? i've often stayed at hotels with spas but the massage areas aren't very private.

the last time i stayed at the siam bayside there weren't even curtains separating the massage mats for thai massages. even though i wasn't looking for any extras in a hotel spa, the sight of someone else in his underwear getting a massage just inches away from me really turned me off.

thanks so much for the information

[QUOTE=Piper1]In-room massage just finished. It was a good stong relaxing oil massage. The dark little cutie remained fully clothed, but she teased little piper to attention with a shy smile. I didn't pursue any extras - I'm saving that for later tonight. During the massage, I was thinking I should have made the effort to find a soapy massage place and take two naked girls for a double massage then shag both of them - can anyone recommend a good soapy place?[/QUOTE]

Try Sabia Dee on 2nd road opposite the Big "C" shopping center. Be sure to ask the papasan who he'd recommend.....a 100 baht note to him would surely be appropriate, and always seems to be a wise investment.

USE EXTREME CAUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's going to take you days or even weeks to wipe that grin off your face.

[quote=piper1]i'll look for the name tonight if i get to walking street, but i'll have to do it by stealth - i don't want crazy girl to see me. she hasn't stopped phoning me today - waking me from much needed sleep and interrupting my work (she called from a few different numbers, so i would answer the phone). and this evening she actually turned up at my hotel and called me from reception's phone, telling me she wanted to come up and see me. i told her i was busy and couldn't see her. she said she 'knew' i had a girl with me, and she would wait in reception until i had to leave the room. she kept yabbering away and just wouldn't get off the damn phone. i firmly told her to leave and not call me anymore, and hung up the phone. then her smss started coming again: "you think i'm bad girl, you no like me!". she's right, the crazy stalker. business must be bad. don't know why - she's a good-looker.
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as i'm writing my tale of woe, the doorbell rang just now. i was hoping it wasn't crazy girl, but when i looked through the peephole, it was a very cute young thai girl. i had called the hotel's massage spa earlier to book a 60 minute oil massage for 10:30pm. but i didn't realize it would be in my room. she's coming back in 10 minutes - see ya![/quote]


pipe all i can fucking say to you is welcome to pattaya! the stalker i had made me change hotel rooms due her unannounced visits then she followed me to the airport the day i left. she even paid her own barfine. followed me on a baht bus etc... at that time i was in my early 20s and she fucked me to death i had to put her out then she teased me saying your 2@#@ and tired…. :(

I decided to check out the Galaxy Club. If you are after some Euro pussy, bring a fat wallet to this club.

The Walking Street club is next to the Polo Club (on the second floor) It's a small dark lounge with three small stages with poles like in a US strip club. There were two or three really nice looking girls dancing with bored faces around the poles, otherwise the rest were just OK looking.

The menu showed beers start at 220 baht. One of the three nice looking girls came over and sat with me and my friend. She explained that ladies drinks are 6000 baht! The barfine for a 24 hour take out is $1000 USD!!! After she heard me say it was too rich for my blood, she offered a private dance for 1000 baht. I passed on that. I knew that would be like a table dance at a typical strip club for about 5 minutes if that.

I had one beer and was out of there.

I could have a hot Thai Go Go girl LT in my room over the next 11 plus days for the price of one of these girls. IMHO -Definitely not worth it. If the price was $200, there was just one girl I would have taken at that price.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me] One of the two nice looking girls came over and sat with me and my friend. She explained that ladies drinks are 6000 baht! The barfine for a 24 hour take out is $1000 USD!!! [/QUOTE]That's probably why I didn't bother asking the girls prices when I was there two nights ago. I could smell big prices. But $1,000USD - that's just fucking crazy. Cheaper to fly to Moscow.

[QUOTE=David 2]Would you mind sharing what hotel you're staying at? I've often stayed at hotels with spas but the massage areas aren't very private.
[/QUOTE]Since you just gave me good advice about soapies, I won't tell you to RTFF. ;) I'm staying at Nova Platinum Hotel. The oil massage was 700Bt for the hour ( + 100 tip cos I'm a nice guy). But I just had a quick walk outside and I see massages are widely available for only 200BT/hour. Stupid newbie me.

Thanks for the soapy advice.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]I decided to check out the Galaxy Club. If you are after some Euro pussy, bring a fat wallet to this club.One of the three nice looking girls came over and sat with me and my friend. She explained that ladies drinks are 6000 baht! The barfine for a 24 hour take out is $1000 USD!!! After she heard me say it was too rich for my blood, she offered a private dance for 1000 baht. I passed on that. I knew that would be like a table dance at a typical strip club for about 5 minutes if that.

I had one beer and was out of there. [/QUOTE]

I popped into the Galaxy last December and enjoyed what I saw, but not the prices. I admit that the girls did seem a little more energetic and lithe than a number of the other bars on Walking Street, but certainly not a degree more expensive. Hell, for the prices the CIS were charging you could have a couple of nights of fun with any of the Thai girls (or combinations of girls) that you can find either in the bars on Walking St, or the bars or beer bars around town. Personally, I think that the Euro girls in Galaxy are seriously overpriced and are looking for the rich Middle Easterners who have more money than sense. If I can get a tasty Thai for a fraction of that price, including the barfine, I know which one I'm going for.

Lets face it, you don't come to Pattaya for European girls. . . Lets get real here.

Glad to see Piper having a good time in Pattaya. Told you you would. Just make damn sure Wildcat hears nothing, I mean NOTHING about it. Or you will be in the dog house in perpetuity. I'm sure that she would realize that Pattaya is 'Sin City' in the Far East.
Nice to see that you like to live dangerously . . .

Best regards,

Expatcat

[QUOTE=Expatcat] Glad to see Piper having a good time in Pattaya. Told you you would. Just make damn sure Wildcat hears nothing, I mean NOTHING about it. Or you will be in the dog house in perpetuity. I'm sure that she would realize that Pattaya is 'Sin City' in the Far East.
Nice to see that you like to live dangerously . . .

Best regards,

Expatcat[/QUOTE]Hi Expatcat - a number of guys have given me the same advice (i.e., don't ever tell Wildcat I was in Pattaya). But she knows I'm a bad boy, and really, from the little I've seen of Pattaya so far, it's not much different from Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. As mentioned previously, Wildcat was seduced very nicely (lots of cuddling and massage) by a naked bisexual babe in a Soi Cowboy gogo bar when we were in Bangkok a year ago (Suzy Wong Club, from memory).

The three of us ended back in Giotto's Lodge for the night. It was the first and only time Wildcat and I ever had a threesome, but I hope it won't be the last. Wildcat enjoyed the lesbian action tremendously. After the three of us played in the jacuzzi, I let them enjoy each other for ages while they got into a frenzy, then I joined in and they worked me over together. Great fun at the time, but Wildcat was embarrassed about it the next few weeks, and a bit pissed that I orgasmed while fucking the gogo girl instead of her. (I couldn't help it - just bad timing! ;)).
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EDIT IN:

[b]I'm sprung![/b]

I SMSd Wildcat earlier today, explaining that I'm getting major dental work, and she will love my new shiny smile. She didn't know about me being in Thailand, or the dental work - it was supposed to be a surprise for her. But I had to SMS her today to ask her to put some money from another account into my ATM account so I could pay the dentist bill. She just now SMSd back to me: [i]"I transferred the money. I'm happy you are getting your teeth fixed, but I am angry you are in Bangkok. I am fucking angry! You know why." [/i]

Either the Thai phone prefix or my recent ATM withdrawals gave away my Thai secret.

She's just jealous. I'll bring her to Phuket in a few months and she will love me again.

[QUOTE=Piper1] Great fun at the time, but Wildcat was embarrassed about it the next few weeks, and a bit pissed that I orgasmed while fucking the gogo girl instead of her. (I couldn't help it - just bad timing! ;))[/QUOTE]
Girls are funny aren't they?

"Of course honey, let's have a 3sum, let's all get wild, we will double team you, I will watch you fuck her, she will lick my pussy, and I will lick hers, BUT YOU HAVE TO CUM IN ME, NOT HER !!! "

:D

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]I decided to check out the Galaxy Club...One of the three nice looking girls came over and sat with me and my friend. She explained that ladies drinks are 6000 baht!...[/QUOTE]
Gee, only $180USD for a lady drink? That seems fair. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]All the late night disco's, on or near Walking Street, including Tony's, Insomnia, Marine, Lucifer's, as well as Beer Garden, and a few other regular bars, are frequented by many freelancers, and thus may be fairly termed "freelancer bars."[/QUOTE]

Add to the list, the Walking St Pub, at the very beginning opp the Tourist Police Stall.
Nice 'clean' place owned and run by the same mob as Gullivers Hotel etc.
Fills up with good looking Freelancers from around 11 pm, often hunting in 2s and 3s. Has a very good sound and video system, however the music is somewhat crap (bloody Hip Hop) until after 11 ish. Only problem is they seem to run the same tunes every night so it can become a bit of a Timewarp, just like the rest of Pattaya :)

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Piper1]That's probably why I didn't bother asking the girls prices when I was there two nights ago. I could smell big prices. But $1,000USD - that's just fucking crazy. Cheaper to fly to Moscow.[/QUOTE]

The Galaxy Bar prices are typical Ruusian and CIS related. As ever a total rip-off, what gets me is why the hell do any guys go to Pattaya and create business for these kind of girls.

A man could fly to Moldova or anywhere else in the CIS and find the most beautiful blonde babes for a fraction of the prices they are charging here.

The majority of 'sensible' mongers go to Thailand for the privilege of having of LBFMs at reasonable prices, so who are the idiots who seemingly pay through the nose for the Ice Maidens??

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty] . . . so who are the idiots who seemingly pay through the nose for the Ice Maidens?[/QUOTE]Rich Asians, probably, for a start. They've always paid silly money here for white women, and a lot of them seem to be especially intrigued now by Russians.

just returned from a six week trip to los, punctuated by a visit from my wife for the middle two weeks. so i had two weeks p4p, two weeks family holiday, then another two weeks p4p. remarkable things happened as will be revealed. this post is rather long but i need to say so much.

first evening i went to rolling stone 2 bar as i like the music there and was interested to look for a girl (30yo) there with whom i had great gfe last trip three months before. i sat down and it wasn’t long before she appeared, no she didn’t have a customer, and we carried on where we left off. went back next day and she was well into celebrating a friend’s birthday and we had a great time again. i told her i wanted to make a trip to khao phra wiharn in e-san and would she like to come along, yes she would.

the next night i decided to look elsewhere and went home alone. the fourth night i met up with an isg member and we drifted over to rs2. the girl was not there and after a while she appeared with a customer. ok, i thought but then she came up to me with a sad expression and told me he had barfined her for six nights. so i went touring go-go bars and ended up with a 19 year-old who was a waste of time. next morning i was not feeling too good about pattaya. that evening i decided to look elsewhere for a travelling companion and i went to a bar where i had previously taken four girls, three very good and one excellent. i had already asked about the excellent one but the mamasan had told me she was on a long-term mission with a customer. i walked in the bar and there she was right by the door – lesson here: never believe the mamasan, always go look for yourself. the girl grabbed my wrist and led me to a table, beaming happily. did i want to barfine her? i was surprised to be asked so soon but did not hesitate. she said she had to go drink a shot of tequila and came back to explain another customer had asked to barfine her just as i walked in, he had bought the tequila. we left the bar and wound up at kam pun in soi 2 which is great for thai music. now, i had been with this girl twice before and she had been superb – great gfe and exceptional skills in bed. i had not seen her for 8 months and we talked non-stop all evening. in bed as i relaxed afterwards, she asked was it good, i told her truthfully no woman had been so good to me, not even her!

we went on our trip to khao phra wiharn, the border fighting there had resumed so we could not go to the temple just across the cambodian border but we had a great time. we returned on the train in a first class compartment and just talked, fucked, and laughed for hours. she told me great stories about her customers and i about my wives. then she suddenly she said “i want you fuck me no condom”. i was really surprised. i told her she was really sweet for asking but we should let it hang for a couple of days to check we were sure about it. it’s time to say some details about this girl.

she is 39. has three kids, all 18 to 20. usual story of thai man who butterflied with abundance and beat her and raped her. she has an amazing body and looks younger than her age. she holds herself very well and has great charm. smart too. she worked in factories, building sites etc until she went to pattaya when 37 after her son was arrested for drug-running and she needed money. she has a good client list of regulars who she goes with on a long-term basis when they come to los. she bought some land in ayuttaya years before which she dreams of developing into rooms for migrant workers from e-san. she talks constantly about “heart”. she goes to the temple to make “good heart”, she gives money to orphans etc for the same reason and she told me she was giving me her heart, “take good care my heart” she told me constantly.

after we returned to pattaya, i got a text from my rs2 girl, “how are you” it read. i thought, ok you are back so i told heart girl we would have to part. she had been gone 30 minutes when i got another text from rs2 girl to say her customer was barfining her for another three days, so i phoned heart girl to ask if she wanted to come back. “wait me” she said. she had made an arrangement with one of her expatriate regulars but made an excuse and soon she was back with me. for the next three days we were again inseparable, she never left my side although she did get plenty of phone calls from her regulars. i made her tell me who it was calling at the beginning each time and then i was happy to listen to her side of the conversation. often it was funny. i was getting the best sex i had had for 20 years, more likely ever (we had jettisoned the condoms by now, she got checked every month by her bar and had had her tubes tied and took the pill to regulate her periods, even so i made sure i never came inside her, mostly for her protection). plus being so happy talking with her. it was intoxicating. i had forgotten how much fun it can be to be with a girl. i stared to fall in love. i told her i would look at her land to see if it was a good proposition for investment. i was pained at the idea of leaving her even for two weeks, i was very tempted to make plans to leave home and come live with her. the time came for me to go meet my wife at the airport, somehow i tore myself away. heart girl was scheduled to go on a trip abroad with a customer, returning three days after my wife left los. her phone was not set up for roaming so we did not talk for a week. meanwhile, i got away most evenings to go to bars and went short-term with a cute 27 year old. i found an internet café and posted on the thai women – opinions and advice thread. i got a blast of sobriety and a lot of helpful comments. i put into perspective some important things, such as the defects of my home relationship needed to be addressed independently of my feelings for this girl. also that living with a thai girl is not a bed of roses.

the day my wife was leaving los, i get a call from heart girl. she was at the airport, she had changed her flight to come home early. we arranged to meet at the airport (she had to wait there five hours for me) and the whole thing took off again. i reasoned the only thing to do was to go with the experience. we went to siam reap, ko chang, and then ayuttaya to look at her land. i had this feeling that my body was living this experience, that my mind had a limited role; being with her was overpowering and i felt totally content. i liked her stories about her customers. her regulars all wanted her to stop working bar and i heard them say this on the phone to her, she told them she had to work to make money, she would stop if they sent her 40,000 baht per month but they did not want to do this so they kept phoning rather pathetically to tell her how much they loved her and missed her – she never told them she loved them. she had five offers of marriage on the table, all from men who were in a position to marry but she refused because her heart told her no. then there were the one-nighters, one banker from london had had her six times in one night, i reassured her that now we had all been well and truly fucked by the bankers. there were customers who would not pay, customers who paid double the agreed price, customers who complained. she said it was “only action” with all her customers but she had asked buddha for a special man and it seemed she had made up her mind i was that man. she liked it that i prayed at the temples with her and that i enjoyed thai food and music.

while i was with her, i met many members of her family (including all of her children) and people who were special to her because they had been friends at the factory or had looked after her or her children. everyone looked on me as her boyfriend but i knew i was not, i was a customer. as the time for me to go home approached, i was kind of hoping something negative would appear, otherwise i was not sure if i could tear myself away, and it did. after i looked at her land and got some figures for build costs and rental income, i told her i was not interested in investing in it, i recommended she sell the land. she was disappointed but not angry, she said she would keep the land. then after we went to see her son who she was paying 3000 baht per month to study electrics, i pointed out that he had a lot of space to live in, i asked could he share to save money or get somewhere smaller or could he get a part-time job? she did not get angry but she did not like me saying these things. i was thinking if i was paying her money every month i would soon get pissed off at the money she was sending him. as it was i could just shrug and say it’s your money, up to you. then on our last evening in pattaya, i told her i wanted to go say goodbye to rs2 girl. we wanted to hear the music there but i said i needed to check whether the girl was ok with me bringing another girl. i spoke to rs2 girl and she was so nice. i felt sad i had not been able to spend more time with her. she told me she did not want me to bring heart girl to the bar. after that, heart girl and i went to kam pun but she had finely tuned antennae to my mood and she soon realised i was sad for leaving rs2 girl. she started to get shirty with me and was on the point of leaving when she suddenly relented, cried a little bit and then we had one final night of high emotion and passion. she made it very clear that after her experience with her thai man, she would never tolerate butterflying from someone she cared about. i know she means this because i saw her push away one customer she liked quite well and who had been very generous with her who wanted to share her with another girl.

by the time i left her, i already knew i would have problems if i stayed with her again but it still broke my heart to go. i spent 24 days and nights with her and almost every moment was total bliss. i’m sure she did give me her heart, nobody can fake that 24 hours a day for 24 days. she took fantastic care of me and she was great at getting the best deals on rooms etc. everywhere we went i could just relax while she busied around, checking bus times, hotel rates etc. occasionally she asked me for a small gift if she saw something she liked. in this way i spent a total of about 1,000 baht. obviously i paid for all meals, travel, rooms etc, and i paid her barfines and a daily rate of 1,500. her other customers all pay 2,000.

on the day i left, i knew i had to go home to absorb all my experiences. so much happened. i don’t know if i will go back to her or if she will want me to, she might well take up one of those offers of marriage. one time she asked me if i would leave my wife and marry her, i told her no. i do know i will never, ever forget her.

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[QUOTE=Opebo]I was wondering where is a 'freelancer bar' in Pattaya? I don't know such places.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Daddy07]All the late night disco's, on or near Walking Street, including Tony's, Insomnia, Marine, Lucifer's, as well as Beer Garden, and a few other regular bars, are frequented by many freelancers, and thus may be fairly termed "freelancer bars."[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. After Opebo's post, I thought that maybe Stalker Girl was telling the truth about the 300 barfine after all. But I'm still sure she was bullshitting - barfines are paid at the bar, not later in the room.

Last night was mainly a work night, but I dragged myself to Walking Street around 2am, and didn't even get to a club. Within a minute of arriving and checking the cuties walking past, I saw a real stunner standing in the middle of the street, so I didn't waste any time. I walked over to her, and we chatted a few minutes about existentialism, the origins of the universe, and Big Bang theory. I was particularly interested in her expertise in Big Bang, so we agreed that we should hop on her scooter and go to my hotel room for further discussions - 1000 for two hours.

To get to her scooter, we had to walk past the area where I found Stalker Girl the other night, so I looked out for her. Sure enough, she was there, and looking straight onto the street. I was on the opposite side of the street, and turned my head away as we passed the club, hoping she wouldn't see me, and I think I was successful. (Only two calls from her today).

Back home with my girlfriend for the night, we had a quick drink and a chat (cheeky girl with a good sense of humor). Then into the shower to scrub each other down, and onto bed. Great sloppy DFK, magnificent BJs, lots of theatrical noises while I banged her pussy, and especially loud when I banged her ass. I couldn't finish after banging her hard and fast for 30 minutes and I gave up exhausted. So she blew me hard for about 10 minutes with a wriggling finger up my ass tickling my prostrate until I finally exploded in her mouth. She was an expert in Big Bang, but she didn't know much about existentialism, so I let her go after 90 minutes and fell into a much needed sleep. Just found her watch in the bathroom - expensive brand (unless it's a copy) so I'll call her now and arrange to bring it to her tomorrow.

Just did a google on David's recommended soapy - Sabai Dee Massage. It gets great reviews on many Thai forums as the best soapie in Pattaya, and it's only a few minutes walk from my hotel, so I'm heading there now. Never had a soapie before, so I'm looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I was wondering where is a 'freelancer bar' in Pattaya? I don't know such places.[/QUOTE]F L B just past the Tamarind tree on Walking Street used to be called the FreeLancer Bar.

It used to be a freelancer hangout but is now just a hostess bar.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Since you just gave me good advice about soapies, I won't tell you to RTFF. ;) I'm staying at Nova Platinum Hotel. The oil massage was 700Bt for the hour ( + 100 tip cos I'm a nice guy). But I just had a quick walk outside and I see massages are widely available for only 200BT/hour. Stupid newbie me.

Thanks for the soapy advice.[/QUOTE]

You're welcome....and I've RTFF many times, but I don't recall ever seeing a discussion about in-room massage. I've stayed at the Nova Platinum twice in the last 6 months, and I'm going back in July. I just love that hotel.

Their spa is brand new, in their new building, and I was their first customer when I was there in March. At that time they weren't offering in room services: only in the spa. There seemed to be much confusion; the spa isn't owned by the hotel....it's operated by an outside company. They told me that I could charge the services to my room, but when I checked out the hotel tried to insist that I pay the spa service separately (in cash). But since I was checking out late at night, and I had already changed my thai baht to dollars, I couldn't pay them in cash. FINALLY, after much deliberation, they agreed to put the bill on my AMEX card, which they had agreed to do in the beginning. So much drama over nothing.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you can call up for service, but as you mention, there are a TON of massage parlors in the neighborhood, all of which charge 200 THB for an hour foot massage or thai massage, but they all charge 300 THB for an hour oil massage. I've been to every one between the Nova Platinum and Pattaya South Road on 2nd road, and they all range from mediocre to excellent, depending on the girl you choose. I reported here that I noticed a new tactic on my last trip; the parlor would have a nice looking girl out front for bait, but when I went in, they would try to switch me to an old hag. It's their way of adjusting for the slow economy, and to share the income between all of the employees. But stand your ground, and choose the girl that appeals to you and enjoy. I always go for the 2 hour oil massage. Most of the places will charge you 500 THB for 2 hours instead of the posted 600.

Have fun!!!

[QUOTE=Piper1] I couldn't finish after banging her hard and fast for 30 minutes and I gave up exhausted. So she blew me hard for about 10 minutes with a wriggling finger up my ass tickling my prostrate until I finally exploded in her mouth. She was an expert in Big Bang, but she didn't know much about existentialism, so I let her go after 90 minutes and fell into a much needed sleep. Just found her watch in the bathroom - expensive brand (unless it's a copy) so I'll call her now and arrange to bring it to her tomorrow.
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I think you sell the girl short...


"What I really lack is to be clear in my mind what I am to do, not what I am to know, except in so far as a certain knowledge must precede every action"

-Kierkegaard-

Obviously the girl understood the "certain knowledge" needed for the "action".

Besides, her leaving her watch is a clear indication of her awareness of the meaningless nature of time. ;)

Well I guess took one for the team so to speak....

I pulled a very cute, light skinned, Laotian girl (22) - out of the Butterfly Beer Bar off Walking Street hoping for a nice time. She had only a passport for ID. Does that mean she's not working here legally? It doesn't really matter to me either way - just curious.

She didn't want to eat or go shopping on the way to the hotel claiming she wants to lose some weight. She might be 1 or 2 kilos overweight - tops. Unfortunately, when we get to the hotel, she was only interested in sleeping and acted surprized when I indicated I wanted some boom-boom. I speak more Thai (which is very little) than she can speak of English, which was probably part of the problem. Then she didn't want to smoke my pipe, although I did get her to do it. I ended up banging her in a couple positions and finishing up. It was supposed to be LT, but she came out of the bathroom afterwards all dressed to go. Fine with me - I paid her and sent her on her way.

I think a need to find one like Piper1 found next time - a trouper that knows how to get'er done!

[QUOTE=Piper1]Just did a google on David's recommended soapy - Sabai Dee Massage. It gets great reviews on many Thai forums as the best soapie in Pattaya, and it's only a few minutes walk from my hotel, so I'm heading there now. Never had a soapie before, so I'm looking forward to it.[/QUOTE]

Piper 1....Your legs must be even longer that your dick if you can walk from the Nova Platinum to Sabai Dee in a few minutes. It's all the way at the North end of 2nd road, which is a good hour walk, and you'll have no energy left for the girl. Go ahead...splurge and spend 10 baht on the baht bus.

I hope you didn't confuse it with Diamond Massage which is right behind your hotel off walking street.

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]I do know I will never, ever forget her.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the story. I hope you will be friends over time, not only memories.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Well I guess took one for the team so to speak....

I pulled a very cute, light skinned, Laotian girl (22) - out of the Butterfly Beer Bar off Walking Street hoping for a nice time. [/QUOTE]
What is her name?

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]By the time I left her, I already knew I would have problems if I stayed with her again but it still broke my heart to go.

I spent 24 days and nights with her and almost every moment was total bliss. I’m sure she did give me her heart, nobody can fake that 24 hours a day for 24 days. I do know I will never, ever forget her.
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You are such a romantic, Joe. If I were a betting man, I’d bet you will leave your wife for one of these girls in the not too distant future. I hope I would lose such a bet.

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]I’m sure she did give me her heart, nobody can fake that 24 hours a day for 24 days.[/QUOTE]

Wanna bet? BGs are consumate actresses.

Man, get your head out of your ass and face reality. You're talking about falling in love with a ho. Have you got no pride or self esteem?

[QUOTE=David 2]Piper 1....Your legs must be even longer that your dick if you can walk from the Nova Platinum to Sabai Dee in a few minutes. It's all the way at the North end of 2nd road, which is a good hour walk, and you'll have no energy left for the girl. Go ahead...splurge and spend 10 baht on the baht bus.

I hope you didn't confuse it with Diamond Massage which is right behind your hotel off walking street.[/QUOTE]Yep - I got my directions wrong (actually a bar manager gave me the wrong idea the other night - telling me Sabai Dee is two minutes walk from Nova Platinum Hotel). No-one who lives in Pattaya seems to know the layout of the place. Every time I take a taxi or a scooter taxi they get lost. It's only 5 minutes from the hotel to the dental clinic if they get it right, but today a scooter taxi got completely lost and took me on a 45 minute ride all over Pattaya including along Beach Road before he finally found my hotel. This is despite me giving him a map (in Thai) with the hotel location. I really wasn't in the mood for a scenic tour after just spending three hours with my jaw clamped open and lots of injections and noisy drilling. I wanted to get back to my hotel room fast to chill out. Looking on the bright side, at least I got a cheap tour of Pattaya.

After doing some work last night, I walked outside at around 1:00am, and asked a cabbie for directions to Sabai Dee. He told me it wasn't walking distance, and that it closes at either 1:00am or 2:00am, so I gave up on the idea, and went to Walking Street instead, with Hottie's watch in my pocket. I saw her standing in the same spot I found her the other night (WGs tend to be like tropical fish - they habitate around the same place most of the time). She was happy that I returned her watch (and admitted with a laugh that it's a copy watch). She was standing with a friend (not beautiful but not ugly, and nice attitude), so we chatted a few minutes, and next thing I was sandwiched between both of them on Hottie's scooter back to the hotel, and 10 minutes later I was sandwiched between them getting soaped up in the shower, and in bed. Good fun, but Hottie was clearly the wildest of the two. I like Thai sandwiches - very tasty and very satisfying.

Tonight is my last night in Pattaya until I return for a night or two next week, so after getting some more urgent work done, I'll try for the soapie tonight. Unfortunately in my 5 nights here, I haven't really seen much of Pattaya due to work commitments and a series of three hour traumatic dental appointments every day, plus recuperating in my hotel room (oh, and fucking). But damn I look gorgeous now with my sparkling new Tom Cruise smile. :D

Amjeck, I can't remember her name, but if you go to that bar, you can't miss her - she's the only good looking girl working there. I hope your Thai speaking skills are good.

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I strolled around Walking Street today in the afternoon. I only saw a few of Go Go bars open - Air Port Club, Hot Girls and Nui's Club. I went into the Nui's to check it out. The girls were pretty wild. One girl was jacking a guy off on the sofa and another was getting a lapdance while holding onto the girls ample boobs. This was wilder than I expected for 3:30 pm although none of the girls were above a 5 or 6 in my book. Too bad, maybe the lookers only come out at night.

I peaked in Airport and found it quiet, but there were nude dancers on the stages and few customers but nothing wild going on.

I didn't go into Hot Girls club.

I have been to Pattay 3 times prior to this trip and it was my first time strolling Walking Street in daylight. You can really see how shabby the buildings are in daylight.

Pattaya really is a nighttime town.

Joe - keep it simple and remember the 3 F's. Find her, fuck her, forget her.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Wanna bet? BGs are consumate actresses.

You're talking about falling in love with a ho. Have you got no pride or self esteem?[/QUOTE]

If you check these threads from Thailand to PI a lot of guys apparently don't. :confused:

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Wanna bet? BGs are consumate actresses.

Man, get your head out of your ass and face reality. You're talking about falling in love with a ho. Have you got no pride or self esteem?[/QUOTE]
Let the guy live his fantasy. That's all it is.

Guys fall in love with these ho's all day long! The question should really be: Are you a winner or a loser?

Fall in love with a ho = loser
Bang a ho, pay her, then leave = winner

I went to Sabai Dee soapy massage last night. I arrived at 11:00pm, and left after an hour (it should be a full 90 minutes just in the soapy room). Out of that hour, I spent the first 10 minutes sipping a drink and watching the girls in the fishbowl awkwardly smile and wave and signal to the few guys sitting there "Pick me! Pick me!". I counted 33 girls - none of them out of the ordinary, and some just plain ugly. Since I knew that whichever girl I chose would be squirming her body all over me with soap suds, I chose a slightly chubby but pretty girl with big hooters - I wanted to feel her all over me.

Turns out she was a real dud. She was way too fast and mechanical. The bath together lasted 5 minutes where she washed me fast, and the squirmy soapy massage on the air-bed lasted about 5 minutes. She was rushing things way too much. She spent another 5 minutes washing down the suds-covered floor while I waited on the bed. When she finally finished her house-cleaning and came to the bed, I asked for more massage, but she said "No - you boom-boom me now!" So I did.

After a 2-minute lack-lustre CBJ, she went into doggy position and I did my duty. After 5 minutes of fucking doggy style she said "Why you no come?!" WTF! I told her "No, I come in one more hour". I almost decided to give up right then and go find a hot enthusiastic freelancer and have a fun night. But I had an early morning coming up and didn't want a late night, so I turned her over and fucked her missionary. When I tried to play with her big hooters, she moved my hand away and told me not to touch her nipples because they hurt. WTF again!

The only way I could finish was to fantasize that I was fucking a voluptuous Arab girl at work who flirts with me. It worked - I finished soon after. I got dressed quickly and she led me to the exit, asking for a tip. I'm always a good tipper for good work, but this was by far the worst attitude and worst sex I've had in memory. I looked at her with a frown and said "No tip, you too fast". She shrugged her shoulders to show she didn't care - she knew she had given a poor session.

I can see a soapy could be fun if you get an enthusiastic girl and if you're into quickies, but she really was a dud. I have more fun with wild girls soaping me up in the shower in a hotel room or home.
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Turns out I have an extra night in Pattaya tomorrow night, so I'll try to finish (ahem) on a more positive note with an enthusiastic girl or two.

I would be very suspicious of her devotion!

There is undoubtedly a connection between you both, but how much is it based on financial guarantees.

You are paying a min of 1800bth per day not counting tips, gifts and expenses.

Times are slow in Pattaya and there a lot of girls who only get the odd bar fine. So clearly 2 weeks at 1800bth is very attractive.

Are the others, really paying 2000bth?

I have never paid more than 1000bth per night, and very often no bar fine.

Piper. Sorry you trip to Sabaidee was a bust. Maybe you were just unlucky with your choice of girl. That can happen anywhere in any situation.

But, think about it logically. The parlour open at 1 pm. So by 11pm when you arrived the girl you selected had probably been working 10 hours and serviced other clients. Like most employees in most other jobs in the world she would be tired and less productive with one eye on the clock at the end of her shift.

I bet if you go for your soapy at 2pm you will get a much better service. I know I have always been satisfied at that time. The same applies to Soi 6. Unless of course you like stiring other guys porridge!

Joe Cose,

Now that you're home, try to get your head out of the sand. I'm sure your wife knows something isn't right from you walking around in a daze!

It was a matter of time that what seem so perfect was going to shows cracks it's happens in all relationships no matter where you are. Isn't that the reason you feel so attached to this women instead of your wife because everything is so perfect. Including the sex without a condom.

Your trip was basically a interview for her and a test! When it comes to her allowing you to listen to her other customers while you two are together and she talks about heart but she really hasn't given you her heart since her phone still turn on for the other Joe Cose she has on her fish line. I wouldn't be surprise that she is doing this with you. At her age she nearly done and has through the years refine her skills and turn it into a art.

Your trip to see her family was a interview to show those close to her that you are the potential sugar daddy that is going to take care of us. Sorry you weren't just a customer. By showing that you weren't going to agree with her about everything and that like most westerner we express our opinions and give constructive criticism but Thai don't like it coming from a Farang. Only time they listen is when cash is in their face. Your criticism of her son living area was correct coming from a Farang. The son is a spoil brat and never had to work to get everything from her mother working in the bar. Like most poor Thai's that I have met they have no concept of making the right decision when it comes to doing the right thing. Like choosing to take care of their family or buying a Leo Beer. The choice always seems leo wins.

I'm sure she has feeling for you as to maybe you are the one to take her out of the business after all these years and threw the hook, line and sinker to you. But you didn't bite on the land! Just one last thing... if she isn't going to take 40,000 per month ( 1200 usd ) from one customer then you can surmise what it is going to cost you to remove her from the business. Take sometime away from LOS, if you can it would be for your own good.

Oh, last.... the withdraw system doesn't work! From my Human sexualility class in college in the 70"s, that small little drop of clear fluid that is on your dick just before you insert it into her contains hundreds if not thousands of little fellas and all it take is for one to have enough energy to swim up the canal to get her pregnant. This belief amount Thai's that " don't come inside her " and she won't get pregnant doesn't work! I have a 16 year old girl down from my house that is pregnant from her boyfriend using this same old method. Maybe that's why so many Thai girls get pregnant and like true to Thai form the boy is long gone!

LBM

I agree with Woodman, 11pm Is late for a soapy, sometimes you may still get top class service, but run the risk of a crap one like Prober had.
I had a similar service from a girl at Cupidy last year, massage was crap, soapy not good, and the sex was uneventfull, I didn't even cum, I left after a hour, and the girl still asked for a tip! No tip from me, she kept asking all the way down In the lift! MP girls are so used to tips they will always asked.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]I agree with Woodman, 11pm Is late for a soapy, sometimes you may still get top class service, but run the risk of a crap one like Prober had. [/QUOTE]Yep, I know, but she made it too obvious she wanted out fast, so being pissed about her service, I wanted to get out fast also. We were probably in the room for max 40 minutes, including 10 minutes bath-filling and floor cleaning, then mechanical body slide and lame sex. Not very erotic.

Thanks for giving me a new name: "Prober". I like it.

[QUOTE=Piper1]

I can see a soapy could be fun if you get an enthusiastic girl and if you're into quickies, but she really was a dud. I have more fun with wild girls soaping me up in the shower in a hotel room or home.
[/QUOTE]
Skip the soapies in Pattaya. Bkk is much better for this. More fun to be had with bar girls and freelancers in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Yep, I know, but she made it too obvious she wanted out fast, so being pissed about her service, I wanted to get out fast also. We were probably in the room for max 40 minutes, including 10 minutes bath-filling and floor cleaning, then mechanical body slide and lame sex. Not very erotic.

Thanks for giving me a new name: "Prober". I like it.[/QUOTE]

Sorry Piper1 don't know where I got that from lol. I have herd stories of customers not happy with masseuse In Bkk soapies calling downstairs and changing their girl. I've not done this myself, but If I get a bad attitude, fast service next time I may try this.

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Just returned from a six week trip to LOS, punctuated by a visit from my wife for the middle two weeks. [size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Thanks for your essay, which is a typical lovesick farang story. Next time you are in Pattaya, walk the length of Beach Road, sois 6, 7, 8, Walking Street etc. Count all the hookers you see. Each and every one of them was an angel and each and every one of them has been so fucked over you would want to be mad to give any of them a second (romantic) thought. You can write all the love poems and esaays them that you like but you need a strong bout of sobriety. I guess your marriage is breaking up but that is no call to hook yourself to a walking human mine. Sure, a minority of Thai hooker. Horny farang john work out but the odds are stacked against it. And you love has family and more.

I walk along Beach Road every day and bless the credit crunch which keeps farangs away, prices down and an abundance of fallen/abandoned women who service all and sundry for the same rock bottom prices. There is so much good sex it is a bore.

You were advised to stay away from Thailand for along time. Seems eminently sensible to me. Menawhile, I will still take my strolls and be amazed at the folly hard ons give rise to.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Oh, last.... the withdraw system doesn't work!
[/QUOTE]

I used it for around 15 years with many different girlfriends back home and never got any of them pregnant. That is, withdrawing during their fertile time of the month, coming inside them during the rest of the month.

Opebo,

You are lucky then, because it is a medical fact although it was a long time ago that I took this class. And please don't ask me to supply you with the resources today with Internet do it yourself and prove me wrong! When you say at "home" which I would agree with you somewhat because you can have a somewhat descend and honest conversation with a women that is educated and knows her cycle! You honestly think a Thai bargirl who already had one or two kids by 18 years of age is going to give you a educated answer when she got pregnant using this method.

Personally which I won't go into in detail, When you are in back of a 1968, 396 Chevy, 2 doors and 4 on the floor, with your girlfriend for the 1st time and the hormones are at the highest level and the little head has full control of everything and I have no idea or care what time of the month it is for her. All I know it's time for LBM to get in on! and I didn't get to college yet to take the sex class and I used the withdraw method it didn't fucking work!

Fast forward 30 years, and I'm in Sukhothai having a time of my life one evening forgot the condom and thought with all the jacking off I have been doing and being old didn't think I had it in me and that was after taking the class in college. After all this time that evening LBM was in full control again and the withdraw system once again didn't fucking work!

I know in the end it's just me bad luck story of my life!

LBM

[QUOTE=Opebo]I used it for around 15 years with many different girlfriends back home and never got any of them pregnant. That is, withdrawing during their fertile time of the month, coming inside them during the rest of the month.[/QUOTE]

Women's fertile periods depend upon lots of factors, and differ from individual to individual, also in degree of regularity -- they can't be reliably predicted. And you can't completely control your pre-ejaculation, which would also contain sperm. You wouldn't even know it had come out. Sounds like you were extremely lucky for 15 yrs.

For a question like this, do research of reliable sources. I'd tend to trust medical science over hearsay or anecdotal evidence like this.

A few members (including moi), recently mentioned Polo Club (fun floor shows by Thai girls - nurses/S&M show etc). We also mentioned the adjoining Galaxy Club ("European Girls Only"). Here's a couple of youtubes to give the flavor. Follow the links if you want to see more of the "Euro girls" taking turns dancing in the front window in an attempt to lure in customers.

One of the Russkie girls
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud5xBUP0ebQ&feature=related[/url]

Outside Polo/Galaxy Clubs
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC824sr_eKI[/url]

[QUOTE=Piper1]A few members (including moi), recently mentioned Polo Club (fun floor shows by Thai girls - nurses/S&M show etc). We also mentioned the adjoining Galaxy Club ("European Girls Only"). Here's a couple of youtubes to give the flavor. Follow the links if you want to see more of the "Euro girls" taking turns dancing in the front window in an attempt to lure in customers.

One of the Russkie girls
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud5xBUP0ebQ&feature=related[/url]

Outside Polo/Galaxy Clubs
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC824sr_eKI[/url][/QUOTE]Why go all the way to SE Asia to look at some skanky Russian girls?

Was in airport agogo a few times this week and was quoted 2k ST by two different girls on two different nights. Just for shits and giggles I countered at 1k and then finally at 1.5k ST and they both wouldn't budge. With a bar fine at 800 and ST 2k = 2800 for ST. I was really quite surprised on the lack of willingness and the hard negotiating tactics they used. No girl in Pattaya is worth more than 1k ST, but now days it seems like a lot of guys think otherwise. Too bad to see the downfall in the ever once paradise (cheap cute pussy) of Pattaya. Too many arabs and sex deprived men driving up prices for low quality meat. China has better (whiter skin and prettier) and is cheaper.

This is only one club, however, out of the many in Patters. In all my years in Pat, i've never been quoted such a high price for short time and never had a girl unwilling to come down in price. Either I"m getting older and uglier or times are changing.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Was in airport agogo a few times this week and was quoted 2k ST by two different girls on two different nights. Just for shits and giggles I countered at 1k and then finally at 1.5k ST and they both wouldn't budge. With a bar fine at 800 and ST 2k = 2800 for ST. I was really quite surprised on the lack of willingness and the hard negotiating tactics they used. No girl in Pattaya is worth more than 1k ST, but now days it seems like a lot of guys think otherwise. Too bad to see the downfall in the ever once paradise (cheap cute pussy) of Pattaya. Too many arabs and sex deprived men driving up prices for low quality meat. China has better (whiter skin and prettier) and is cheaper.

This is only one club, however, out of the many in Patters. In all my years in Pat, i've never been quoted such a high price for short time and never had a girl unwilling to come down in price. Either I"m getting older and uglier or times are changing.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

Two nights ago a young cutie on Beach Road quoted me 700 baht for short time. I countered with 500 and she wouldn't budge, so I declined on principle. Five minutes later I had a just as cute little 18 year old spinner who was happy with 500 baht and provided great service.

Airport Club is a ripoff joint in my opinion. The drinks are expensive, the bar fines are a ridiculous 800 baht, the girls want crazy amounts for short time, and they are no better looking than the Beach Road trollers.

I don't blame them for trying to get as much as they can though. My experience is usually the more they want in money the less they want to perform.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]My experience is usually the more they want in money the less they want to perform.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is my experience also. If they're willing to concede a bit on price then they perform better. That is the main reason I negotiate with the girls.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]....Too many arabs and sex deprived men driving up prices for low quality meat....[/QUOTE]

I was watching a news report from the Thailand Tourist Bureau recently. They are actively promoting Thailand as a holiday destination in the UAE. They said people from there stay longer and spend more money than tourists from other countries.

I too have seen some rediculous prices in Pattaya. It's the Go Go's driving up the prices. One gorgeous Go Go girl with a perfect body asked for 4K LT plus the barfine! I laughed but she didn't. She'll get someone to pay it too. It is even getting hard to get a LT from a good looking Go Go girl with a great body, because they know they can get 2 barfines a night and make more on two ST's, than one LT. Plus it's less work for them, especially if they go with a horn dog like me that will be banging them 3-4 times in a night.

I have to admit I like seeing the package unwrapped before I buy, but the prices are a bit high. I'm going to try avoiding Go Go's from now on and stick with the beer bars.

The old (and painfully true) saying that a "little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing" has "missed the boat" in some of the bars and freelancer "strolling" areas (Beach Road/Walking Street) of "Patts".

Without getting into a long, drawn out and, too-often, "rehashed" discussion of the Thai cultural characteristic of "face" and the saving of same, it is really a shame that, with an activity that is totally naturel and costs the p4p nothing but her time, she will let her "propositioner" walk from what could be her only offer in a day/week/month.

I can't speak of the Walking Street, personally, but, historically, Beach Road has been always been 500THB(or less) ST. Case closed!

I am especially aghast at the fact that it is the "low season" and I would even question this "steadfast and non-negotiable" pricing, in view of the current world economic situation, during the "high season"!

What's wrong with this picture?

Lastly, even though a "little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing" seems to have been "lost in translation" amoung many of "Patts" p4p community, "cut off your nose to spite your "face", obviously, has not!

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me] It is even getting hard to get a LT from a good looking Go Go girl with a great body, because they know they can get 2 barfines a night and make more on two ST's, than one LT. [/QUOTE]

No longer is this a trend, it is now the prevailing practice. You can't get the super model type chicks to commit to LT and the ones who do agree to LT sessions, want to leave at 6am. However, if you think about it, as much as this irks mongers, it is a smart strategy by the girls. They do make more money with two or three ST sessions or even by just staying in the bar gulping down lady drinks. Still I say stick to ST sessions, less chance for disappointment in the long run.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]No longer is this a trend, it is now the prevailing practice. You can't get the super model type chicks to commit to LT and the ones who do agree to LT sessions, want to leave at 6am. However, if you think about it, as much as this irks mongers, it is a smart strategy by the girls. They do make more money with two or three ST sessions or even by just staying in the bar gulping down lady drinks. Still I say stick to ST sessions, less chance for disappointment in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Yah, it's surely the smart strategy for the girl. The thing that irks me is that Patters is starting to feel a bit more like BKK in terms of pricing.

Good news for the Hell Club fans, they are supposed to reopen tomorrow (if my info is right) as the Devil's Den

[url]http://devilsdenpattaya.com/index.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]Good news for the Hell Club fans, they are supposed to reopen tomorrow (if my info is right) as the Devil's Den

[url]http://devilsdenpattaya.com/index.php[/url][/QUOTE]
LOL. You got to love the hiv health certs on the website. Pics of hotter girls would make me go there, not health certs. Amazing Thailand!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If they're willing to concede a bit on price then they perform better.[/QUOTE]I find that the best performers of all, and especially the ones with the best attitudes, don't even bring up the subject of price.

[QUOTE=Run Mann] You can't get the super model type chicks to commit to LT and the ones who do agree to LT sessions, want to leave at 6am.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree. I've had a number of high-end, gorgeous girls insist they wouldn't do LT, only ST. After the ST was over, they'd head back to the Go-Go, and it would be pretty quick before they'd get another ST. Even tried one at Happy-Go-Go going after midnight. She was beautiful, and even though it was towards the end of the night, wouldn't go LT. That was probably ok anyway, as how enthusiastic would she have been with me doing "sloppy thirds" or "sloppy fourths".

[QUOTE=Jelly37] Even tried one at Happy-Go-Go going after midnight. She was beautiful, and even though it was towards the end of the night, wouldn't go LT. [/QUOTE]
How much did the Happy girl want for ST?

Can someone pls direct me to Russian babes in Pattaya/Bankok.

Have been mongering in the US/Dubai/Bahrain/India for a long long time and was just spoilt bad by pattaya girls on my first visit there.

But having a soft(hard) conner for the Russians/CIS babes.

Thanks in advance

Play safe - Play more

[QUOTE=Lexb] Without getting into a long, drawn out and, too-often, "rehashed" discussion of the Thai cultural characteristic of "face" and the saving of same, it is really a shame that, with an activity that is totally naturel and costs the p4p nothing but her time, she will let her "propositioner" walk from what could be her only offer in a day/week/month.

I can't speak of the Walking Street, personally, but, historically, Beach Road has been always been 500THB(or less) ST. Case closed!

I am especially aghast at the fact that it is the "low season" and I would even question this "steadfast and non-negotiable" pricing, in view of the current world economic situation, during the "high season"!

What's wrong with this picture?

Lastly, even though a "little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing" seems to have been "lost in translation" amoung many of "Patts" p4p community, "cut off your nose to spite your "face", obviously, has not![/QUOTE]This is an interesting post. However, a historical perspective is interesting. Recall how they jacked up prices around 1997 when the Thai economy imploded. Though that caused outrage in the mongering community, the providers enjoyed ten years of those higher prices. Long term, it makes sense to keep prices up. Maybe there is a lot of pressure getting them to maintain prices. Their services will, after all, always be in demand.

[QUOTE=The Departed] Their services will, after all, always be in demand.[/QUOTE]
This is very true! Everybody has their own theory as to why girls aren't budging on price; be it the economy, lack of tourists, politics etc. The real fact of the matter is that demand is still high. The only event that caused a drop in prices was the airport closure, which cut off the flow of all the sex tourists completley.

Go out any night in Pat and you will see there is no shortage of punters looking for action. Also the amount of middle eastern punters is getting larger every year(they've pretty much taken over Tony's disco). These guys pay through the nose for p4p.

Yah, people will cut down there spending on hotels, restaurants, and shopping malls, but not when it comes to getting laid.

Guys are still gonna pay top dollar to get laid with high quality meat and all the hotties know it.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Also the amount of middle eastern punters is getting larger every year(they've pretty much taken over Tony's disco). These guys pay through the nose for p4p.[/QUOTE]A lot of the younger providers know this and ignore the white guys as a result. Muslims generally end up with more disposable income as they drink little and htye do like to fuck.

Low season has arrived and the number of customers at Happy a-go-go is dwindling ...

So they raised their happy hour drink prices by 5 baht!

Thai business reasoning:

* Many customers (high demand) -- lower prices.

* Few customers (low demand) -- raise prices.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]How much did the Happy girl want for ST?[/QUOTE]

It was a while ago, but I think it was 1,500. That girl would not budge on the LT, just refused. I think it was the desire for volume (which as a stunner she would get), rather than a child/boyfriend at home. Definitely hadn't had a child (unless she adopted...). I think her name was... uhh... 94. Yea, pretty sure her name was #94.

For the top-notch girls (i.e. no shortage of customers wanting to barfine them) at Happy's, I believe LT was typically 2,000 - 2,500 plus barfine. That was for the high-end stuff. I remember one girl, you'd have to get there reasonably early, or else she'd be gone. Her name was... hmmm... 46? Maybe 26? 46 or 26, don't recall her exact name.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Low season has arrived and the number of customers at Happy a-go-go is dwindling ...

So they raised their happy hour drink prices by 5 baht!

Thai business reasoning:

* Many customers (high demand) -- lower prices.

* Few customers (low demand) -- raise prices.[/QUOTE]Thats Thai logic.

I Remember when they raised the airport tax at Koh Samui to 2600 Baht because so few passengers were flying. If people had been going to pay that, it would have remained.

The only thing that helps is to shop price aware, indepedently of being able to afford more or not.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]...Also the amount of middle eastern punters is getting larger every year(they've pretty much taken over Tony's disco). These guys pay through the nose for p4p...[/QUOTE]
From one of my previous posts:
[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]...I was watching a news report from the Thailand Tourist Bureau recently. They are actively promoting Thailand as a holiday destination in the United Arab Emerates. They said people from there stay longer and spend more money than tourists from other countries....[/QUOTE]

Just what we need, more wealthy people coming here fucking up the P4P price structure! I have to admit, I love those halal chicken on pita bread sandwiches they sell outside Tonys on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]


Just what we need, more wealthy people coming here fucking up the P4P price structure! [/QUOTE]
I agree, but let's try to enjoy it while the good times slowly fade out. I think Pat still has a few more years left until it is totally ruined. All good things come to an end, unfortunately!

[QUOTE=Jakal2008]Can someone pls direct me to Russian babes in Pattaya/Bankok.

Have been mongering in the US/Dubai/Bahrain/India for a long long time and was just spoilt bad by pattaya girls on my first visit there.

But having a soft(hard) conner for the Russians/CIS babes.

Thanks in advance

Play safe - Play more[/QUOTE]In Pattaya Ocean 10 on Walking Street is the place. An expensive bar/disco aimed at the Russian tourists.

Failing that hang around by the barrier that closes off the access to the back of the boxing ring under Marine Disco, also on Walking Street.

The white Russian girls as opposed to the Arab Uzbekis tend to do a circuit of WS but always seem to stop off there.

They are not cheap. I got asked for $100 short time by the last 1 that approached me. Stunning though she was the local girls would go long time for $25.

No contest.

Theory about P4P and prices.
I guess the impression that at low season the prices goes high, might be a wrong impression. I think at low season many girls go to other places, maybe Gulf countries, Singapore, HK, Europe, etc. Same like in ancient times the hunters follows the path of the buffalos.
And the amateur girls might leave Pattaya to spend the low season with their families.
The result is that in Pattaya there are less girls. So, demand is the same as in high season.
Also, the more hard core prostitutes will remain in Pattaya and those hard core girls, might have sponsors, or enough income left from high season.
Also, maybe in low season there are more Stunner available and monger will asks the better looking girls for prices and they are always more expensive like the average or ugly girls.
So, the higher prices might be resulting because guys who go in low season with a 5 or a 6, now asking a 7 or 8 (out of 10).

The reason for the increase in beer prices might just have something to do with the duty increase on alcohol brought in by the government last week.

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]Good news for the Hell Club fans, they are supposed to reopen tomorrow (if my info is right) as the Devil's Den

[url]http://devilsdenpattaya.com/index.php[/url][/QUOTE]

Gentleman, Ladies, and Couples,
As you may or may not know, two months ago the Pattaya legal authorities asked us to review our practices. The decision was made to move slowly, making sure to dot every i and cross every t, so as to comply with both the letter and the spirit of the law. Part of this caution was rebranding the club - as doing business under the same name would not have been tactful under the circumstances.

As of last week, the former Hell Club has reopened for business under the new name: The Devil's Den.

[url]http://www.DevilsDenPattaya.com[/url]

Along with a new name we have a new website, soon to be redesigned but the functionality is there. For those of you who like to plan your trips carefully you can choose your Imps and activities before you come, for others who prefer to play in the comfort of your own hotel room we now offer out-call services.

We have decided to take a bold step so far as protecting our client’s health. From now on all blood tests will not only be available for inspection at the club, but scanned copies issued by Pattaya Memorial Hospital will also be posted on our website under each ladies profile for immediate verification.

Ranger775, Please tell us the rates for the girls services. There are no prices are on your website!

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Ranger775, Please tell us the rates for the girls services. There are no prices are on your website![/QUOTE]

The rates are posted on the in and out call pages.

[QUOTE=Ranger775]Gentleman, Ladies, and Couples,
As you may or may not know, two months ago the Pattaya legal authorities asked us to review our practices. The decision was made to move slowly, making sure to dot every i and cross every t, so as to comply with both the letter and the spirit of the law.[/QUOTE]


If you feel comfortable, could you tell us a bit about how it came to be that the authorities approached you and what were the specifics of the letter and spirit of the laws that they were asking you to comply with? This is just out of curiosity to learn more about the ins and outs, so to speak, not some attempt to call you out on anything. I've been to Eden and enjoyed it. I've only been to Patts once and didn't make it to Hell.

Damn, Joy and Jar look amazing! Anyone been with them back in the Hell days?

Hmm, is the difference between 90 and 120 mins at Eden also only 400 baht?

For whatever it is worth column. Just got back to Pattaya after going home for 1 month after being here for 3 months. My plane from US was almost empty. Usually carries 400+ had only 100 people. Town is dead. Have never seen such a lack of customers. Bar after bar sitting almost empty. Was on Walking Street other night. Few people. Went to the Rolling Stone 2 Bar there around 10 and half the girls or more were just sitting there with not a customer insight.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Hmm, is the difference between 90 and 120 mins at Eden also only 400 baht?[/QUOTE]Don't know about Eden, but glad to see the option at Hell Club. 90 minutes always seemed like neither one thing nor the other, so very happy to try out the 120 min option. Might get a chance in about, er, 3 days...

[QUOTE=Pita123]
Hmm, is the difference between 90 and 120 mins at Eden also only 400 baht?[/QUOTE]

According to google results they only offer 90mins option.

Gentlemen,

I am planning to visit Pattaya soon. I've already been there 3 times and my last trip was 2. 5 years ago. At that time, I remember I could easily pull chicks from bars around Pattaya for 1300 Baht (incl. 300 barfine) for all night. That is excluding Go-gos. From what I am reading here, seems that now standart price for LT is 1500-2000 plus 700 Baht for bar.

Should I expect to pay that much for bar girls during my visit?

Thanks

Enjoy.

[url]http://www.******.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=233094[/url]

Johnny Showbiz

Papuas,

Bar fines still about 300 for beer bars, 500+ for go-go bars.

500 ST freelancers, 1500 to 2000 LT beer bars on average.

[QUOTE=Pita123]If you feel comfortable, could you tell us a bit about how it came to be that the authorities approached you and what were the specifics of the letter and spirit of the laws that they were asking you to comply with? This is just out of curiosity to learn more about the ins and outs, so to speak, not some attempt to call you out on anything. I've been to Eden and enjoyed it. I've only been to Patts once and didn't make it to Hell.[/QUOTE]I would also be interested. I am more interested in this though:

[url]http://www.livingdollspattaya.com/news.html[/url]

Trouble in paradise.

Whether it is a matter of thieves falling out or not, there is an interesting spat going on between these two go gos. Relevant is the above website. Note the financial figures. They are tiny, indicating perhaps that go gos are either a money making machine or a money losing machine.

One of the women working at Dolls One is an old flame of mine. I would like to meet her again but am not interested in the exorbitant bar fine and short/long term prices. It seems a big price to pay for a trip down memory road.

The Beach Road pricing model is also of interest. I have taken many women from there over the years. I invariably ask them how much money they have. A very large percentage of them have had 50 baht or less to their name and many have owed rent etc. Because I seldom go for the stunners and I avoid the low life, my impression is they live a very hand to mouth existence. This is more obvious whenever I bother conversing with my purchase. They are always worried about where the next few baht will come from. On one memorable occasion, I ass rooted a conquest for all of fifteen minutes as she droned on about how her boyfriend was not sending her enough shekels.

I also note the low tourist numbers right now in Pattaya. And still they won't budge on price. Life can be cruel.

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[QUOTE=Papuas]Gentlemen,

I am planning to visit Pattaya soon. I've already been there 3 times and my last trip was 2. 5 years ago. At that time, I remember I could easily pull chicks from bars around Pattaya for 1300 Baht (incl. 300 barfine) for all night. That is excluding Go-gos. From what I am reading here, seems that now standart price for LT is 1500-2000 plus 700 Baht for bar.

Should I expect to pay that much for bar girls during my visit?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

The answer to that is pretty simple. NO
The first price you mentioned is according to my experience in April this year. The second higher price correspend with what I experienced in go-go (depends on where you go of course)

I know some of you will point out my pronunciation as being wrong. What I have done is where there is a long sound used double letters and where words said kind of in a group just used - .Even Thais have a hard time understanding each other since Thai spoken in upper Thailand spoken softly while in lower Thailand is louder and quicker. There are even different levels of use from basic to version used whenever speaking about the monarchy. This is a very tonal language so very hard for us to relate to. I personally just find it fun to use with them so you have something to talk about. One of my earlier posts has a longer list and if you want 2 other I have done since in word send me a PM and will forward to you.
SHORT WORD LIST
I SPEAK A LITTLE THAI- POM POOT TA SA THAI DI NIG NOI
DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH-KHUN PHUUT PHAN-SAA ANG-KRIT DI MAIE
PLEASE SPEAK SLOWLY-NI BROUT PUUT CHA CHA
DO YOU UNDERSTAND- KOOW JA MAI
I UNDERSTAND-POOM KAWT JAI
I DON’T UNDERSTAND-MAI KAWT JAI
GOODBYE-LAA GOON GO AWAY-PAI SE’
PLEASE-KA-RU-NAA AHEAD-KANG-NAA
MORE-EEK LESS-NAIWY LOONG SMALLER-LEK KWAA BIGGER-YAAW KWAA
FAT MAN-PUU CHI OON
ICE IN GLASS-GARR-LATT NAAM KENG
HOW ARE YOU-KOONN SABAAI-DEE-MAI
I’M FINE THANKS-SA-BAI DE KRAP
WHAT’S YOUR NAME-KHUN CHE A-RAI KRAP
HELLO WHAT IS YOUR NAME-SAWATDEE KAP KOONN-CHUE-AREE
VERY NICE TO MEET YOU-YIN-DEE TEE DAI-RUU-JAAK
MY NAME IS XXXX-PHOM CHUE XXXX
I’M FROM AMERICA-CHAAN MAA JAAK DAT AMERICA
IT’S MY SECRET-KHWAAM LAP
SIT DOWN-NANG WONGG
EYE-DAA LIPS-BAACNOSE-JEE-MOLKK
ARM-CANN LEG-GAA FOOT-GOWTT
PRETTY FACE-NAA SUU-WHY YOU ARE LOVELY-NA RAACK
YOU HAVE A CUTE BOTTOM-GOON SUU-WHY
YOU ARE A NICE PERSON-KOON KOON SUWAI
PRETTY HAIR-POOM SUU-WHY
HOW OLD ARE YOU-AA-YU THA-RO KAP
I WILL BE BACK TOMORROW-PHOM JA-MAA-PHRUNG NEE EEK
THIS BAR IS EXPENSIVE-THEE BAR NEE KONG PHAENG
I’M JOKING-PHUUT LEN
YOU’R VERY KIND-KOONN JAI-DEE-MAKK
COME WITH ME-MAA KAP CHAN SEE
I’M DIVORCED-YAA-KAP FAEN-LAEO
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Some interesting info:
1. If you go to leave tip and you leave on tray it goes to general fund for all the girls to split and end of night. If you hand the girl the tip directly she gets to keep 100%.
2. If you bar fine a girl she does get a cut of the bar fine unless you buy her a lady drink. So if you keep a girl for more than 1 night you will notice she always wants you to go with her to pay fine and wants a drink so she gets her cut.
3. Most girls are on salary at bar, but not all, making around 2500B per month. Pretty easy to pick out during shift change since they are always on time. If you notice girls arriving later they are not on salary but freelancers that are working out of that particular bar. They are usually the better looking girls. They can come and go as they please. They mostly only work at that 1 bar and you still have to bar fine them and pay lady drink prices for their drinks. They just do not want to be bothered arriving early and having to stay until closing for about 90B per day. Most of the smaller beer bars will have between 2-4 of them.
4. If you hook up with a girl for a longer time you can get her to leave bar for a couple of weeks for a set price per week and no bar fines.
5. More and more I see the new girls quickly snatched up by the ex-pats. Fresh meat arrives sweet and innocent and quickly taken away and you are left with the girls that know all the tricks.
6. Never ever trust a beer bar girl when it comes to money and love. They see falang as someone who comes here and to quote them “loves and leaves”. They are never ever going to believe all the BS that is dumped on them. They have heard the same lines and promises a hundred times. They will all smile and agree that they will also wait patiently for your return but they know that is not to be.
7. The girls prefer the older man. They complain the younger men only want to fuck all night while the older man is good for maybe 1 quick pop before he passes out. They also realize the older man probably has more money to spend and easier to manipulate since he is lonely looking for love.
8. Everyone talks about price of the girl. Where the price of bar fine is usually fixed price for girl can vary widely. You have to keep in mind that most share a miserable room with 2-3 other girls with no aircon or shower. I have had more than 1 offer to go home with me for free if I pay bar fine. At least they are making part of par fine and not having to stand around all night plus getting you to pop for a meal.
9. Lady drinks are a total rip off. Cost to you is maybe 120B and she gets maybe 20B or so. Wait for food vendor to come buy and for around 20-30B buy them some food. It is appreciated more and they usually share with a couple other girls so everyone wins. I was at beer bar today on beach just relaxing. Girl wanted drink so told her why - it cost me 120B you get 20B. I can buy 2 beers for that price. Was laughing when I told her so she started laughing also since she realized it is a scam. After awhile food vendor came by and bought her a bunch of fruit for 25B. She was happy sharing with her friends and they all came by and thanked me. Now will go by today again and all with remember me for my goodwill.
10. Never bother bar fining girls from go go bars. Just not cost effective and satisfaction on lower end. Figure bar fine 600B and may be 1,500-2,000 or more for her plus drinks. Heck you can easily get 4 beach girls for that price or 2 beer bar girls. There is some advantage getting bar girl over beach girls since you are somewhat paying for a little insurance from being robbed and health card. There are however some great buys on the beach. If you really must have one of them check to see if they have short time room at location and try and work a deal. They are happy since they know you are only going to take up maybe at most 1 hour of time and they are back out again looking for new customer.
11. If you are looking for something in particular for your fantasy agree to what you want before you take her. Do not take to room and make request then and be disappointed when she does not want to provide.

Have been staying at the Pig & Whistle for last couple of years. Great place to stay on Soi 7 managed by Englishman named Steve. Right in the middle of the action for about 750B per night. Phone number (66) country code 038 361315. They have a web site so can go and get more info if you want. They also have some of the best food in Pattaya
Just now trying a new hotel for first time Eurotel Service Apartments. Owned by extremely sweet Thai lady and here son Ray. Son was raised in England so speaks fluent English with English accent. Rooms are running about 750B per night or 12,000B for month. So if you are staying for a month you save about 10,000B so just about covers cost of 1 week of bar fines and ladies. Request room on front since back end is next to beer bars located on 2nd Street. They are almost at corner of Central and 2nd St next to Pattaya Memorial Hospital. Phone number (66) 038-720856 Great thing is they are right next to a group of beer bars so easy to slide around corner to visit. The 2nd and 3rd beer bar from right have a good drink special from 9:30 PM until 11:30 PM. 2-for-1 on all drinks and beers with a fairly descent band playing from about 9PM until after 12. The lady at the 3rd from right pours one hell of a long pour. You get your money worth. Always remember my cardinal rule never bar fine girl next to where you are staying. Unfortunately hotel does not have a web site but if you PM me I will be happy to provide their email address since we are not supposed to post of site so not providing now. Also they will do all your personal laundry for 1 month for flat fee of 1,000B. Rooms cleaned daily.

Been meaning to post info since my last 3 month trip to Pattaya. Sure is good to get back here again. If you have read most of my previous posts they are mostly info orientated since just have never been a be teller of stories. Lets face it if you can not get laid here something is wrong with you. Just about every fantasy can be filled for the asking. My posts are mostly directed towards newbies to help with your first visit. I remember how much time and money I wasted during my first trip. Bar fines and costs are discussed numerous times and bar choices. I have scanned a number of the cards from various hotels that have been to and inspected. If you want them send me a PM and will forward PDF of scanned cards directly to email address if you provide under subject of HOTELS since do not think I can send a PDF file through a PM. In one of my parts will also provide a short word list. If you want longer lists will be happy to send to your email address under subject of WORDS or can copy and send in a PM. These will be in a word format so you can change as you feel fit. If you are not a member you really need to join and support site just for minor charge involved.

[QUOTE=RetiredForever]Some interesting info:

2. If you bar fine a girl she does get a cut of the bar fine unless you buy her a lady drink. So if you keep a girl for more than 1 night you will notice she always wants you to go with her to pay fine and wants a drink so she gets her cut.

10. Never bother bar fining girls from go go bars. Just not cost effective and satisfaction on lower end. Figure bar fine 600B and may be 1,500-2,000 or more for her plus drinks. Heck you can easily get 4 beach girls for that price or 2 beer bar girls. There is some advantage getting bar girl over beach girls since you are somewhat paying for a little insurance from being robbed and health card. There are however some great buys on the beach. If you really must have one of them check to see if they have short time room at location and try and work a deal. They are happy since they know you are only going to take up maybe at most 1 hour of time and they are back out again looking for new customer.
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There is some good info there.

2. I have never heard of this. I have pop into a bar to pay a BF either for a few days in advance or to clear a debt. I have paid the BF while the girl was in the salon. She still got her cut.

10. I would have agreed with you until my last trip in January where I took a risk a BF a go go girl and she was one of the best girls I have had.

[QUOTE=RetiredForever]Some interesting info:
1. If you go to leave tip and you leave on tray it goes to general fund for all the girls to split and end of night. If you hand the girl the tip directly she gets to keep 100%.
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You are correct about the tip on the tray. My question for you (and others): Do you give the tip directly to the server AND leave a small tip on the tray? Or do you just directly tip the waitress and not leave anything else on the tray for the rest of the crew?

I've always been curious what most of us do.

[QUOTE=GroinStrain] Could anyone advise how family friendly is the Jomtien beach area or is everything still in your face?[/QUOTE]As Daddy07 advises, Jomtien is family-friendly enough. The epicenter of "in-your-face mongering" seems to be Walking Street and Pattaya Beach at night, so Jomtein is safe enough.

But not 100% safe: While reading the paper in Pattaya I read many stories of westerners being targeted by Thai muggers on a daily basis, including home-invasions and daylight muggings and murders. Recently a grandmother was tied up and badly beaten by a group of ladyboys who broke into her son's apartment to steal small money.

About a year ago two Russian women were relaxing on Jomtein Beach - a Thai guy wanted to rob them quietly from behind. They saw him, so he shot them dead (now he is also dead - he was sentenced to death).

I felt safe in Pattaya, but obviously you need to take care, just like anywhere.

[b]Warning - gruesome crime photos.[/b]

[QUOTE=Piper1] Recently a grandmother was tied up and badly beaten by a group of ladyboys who broke into her son's apartment to steal small money.

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[url]http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t200281.html[/url]

Here is a report and pic of this. Why do they not round up these vermin? In soi 6, they are still soliciting customers at 9 am. The yabba keeps them going. I know they need money as we all do but they are responsible for a very high percentage of nasty crimes.

[url]http://www.livingdollspattaya.com/news.html[/url] I went in here and spoke to the owner. A LOT of bad blood. Maybe best to avoid.

[QUOTE=The Departed]Here is a report and pic of this. Why do they not round up these vermin? In soi 6, they are still soliciting customers at 9 am. The yabba keeps them going. I know they need money as we all do but they are responsible for a very high percentage of nasty crimes.[/QUOTE]

What now? You want to 'round up' every man who dresses like a woman because of this one crime? You think that tranvestitism is a gaurantee of violent criminality? Seems like not that long ago they were saying that about African-Americans back in my country.

Anyway, of course they're soliciting customers at 9 am. Sexual desire knows no time limits.

Speaking of which, I was recently scouring Pattaya at about 3:00 AM looking for regular females, and I couldn't find anything good. One things for sure, Friday night the opportunties do run out early, even in low season.

[QUOTE=Allover]You are correct about the tip on the tray. My question for you (and others): Do you give the tip directly to the server AND leave a small tip on the tray? Or do you just directly tip the waitress and not leave anything else on the tray for the rest of the crew?

I've always been curious what most of us do.[/QUOTE]

It depends on the service the waitress provides. If she constantly nagging me about selecting a girl to sit with me or asking me to buy more drinks or won't stop with trying to massage my neck and hands then she gets nothing. However I have found some waitresses to be quite helpful like bringing over a cold wet wipe to on those hot nights or suggesting a new talent. Those waitresses get my tips but I usually leave the small amount on the tray.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Anyway, of course they're soliciting customers at 9 am. Sexual desire knows no time limits.[/QUOTE]Get real Mr. Opebo. Ladyboys or not is not the problem. YaBa is the problem. You're not stupid, so you know that 9:00am hooking is not because of 'sexual desire' but due to drugs and desperation. And it's very rare for guys to be looking for hookers at 9:00am unless they're also spaced out. Tell me I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Get real Mr. Opebo. Ladyboys or not is not the problem. YaBa is the problem. You're not stupid, so you know that 9:00am hooking is not because of 'sexual desire' but due to drugs and desperation. And it's very rare for guys to be looking for hookers at 9:00am unless they'e also spaced out. Tell me I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong. The 'sexual desire' I was referring to was of course on the part of the customers. Lots of guys look for hookers at 9:00 AM - true, I find morning persons disturbing, but they have a right to get laid. As for me I'm often up till dawn looking for hookers, though that's mostly if I come in on a nightbus (unfortunately most long-distance travel in Thailand is by nightbus). And I obviously never take drugs - though as always I am pleased to see others taking them.

[QUOTE=Allover]You are correct about the tip on the tray. My question for you (and others): Do you give the tip directly to the server AND leave a small tip on the tray? Or do you just directly tip the waitress and not leave anything else on the tray for the rest of the crew?

I've always been curious what most of us do.[/QUOTE]I do both.

Leave on tray and tip server directly.

I'm pretty sure I've seen those 2 in Piper's posts hanging around Soi 14 or so before late at night.

Now for a couple of REASONS why a plumbing check is a good idea, goo look at the TIFFANY'S winners (in the Pattaya Mail edition of 5/22 - "IF it looks too good to be true, it PROBABLY IS!") The one on the left would have fooled me (not if it hadn't been thru the "add-a-crack-to-me" though :) The external plumbing is impossible to disguise)

Piper - depending, I'd consider an early morninger - particularly if the last PM went "sour"

The 9 am ladyboys I am referring to have been hooking since 4 pm the previous day. They can keep going because of the yabba. Ladyboys are a Code Red threat for a number of reasons, perhaps cheap of which is they are walking drug cocktails.

I often go mongering at 9am. Why not. I am on holiday and time is irrelevent.

My flight gets in at 06-30 so I am hitting Pattaya and ready to go early morning. Until my body clock adjusts and the jet lag fades I sleep, wake and get horny at odd times.

Thats the beauty of Pattaya. Many bars on Sois 7 and 8 have an early shift that start at 06-00 for people such as me.

[QUOTE=Opebo]YAnd I obviously never take drugs - though as always I am pleased to see others taking them.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'll bite... why are you pleased to see others taking them?

[QUOTE=El Frances]In Joe Cose's post, I was very surprised by this:
"The next morning I offer to take her to the Big Buddha temple at Jomtien and there we ring the bells for luck and get blessed by the monk while our motorbike taxidrivers wait patiently (cannot share a taxi in the daytime, police problem)."

It's the first time I hear about any police problem in a taxi with a girl at any time of the day. Any explanation?[/QUOTE]

I meant to say they did not want to go such a long way with three people riding.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Get real Mr. Opebo.= You're not stupid, so you know that 9:00am hooking is not because of 'sexual desire' but due to drugs and desperation. And it's very rare for guys to be looking for hookers at 9:00am unless they're also spaced out. Tell me I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

WRONG!

Sexual desire is a 24 hour thing. I'm a morning man and nothing I like better than an early morning fuck. 9am is too late. By the end of the day I am too tired to give my best.

We're all different. I've never found a shortage of girls early morning. 6am 7am no matter. Those on Walking Street are almost certainly last nights leftovers, but elsewhere many are freshly arrived after a good nights sleep, and ready and willing to give an excellent performance!

New member here, planing for a visit at the end of the year. Found Retiredforeve's post very informative. Keep it coming big thanks

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]WRONG!

Sexual desire is a 24 hour thing. I'm a morning man and nothing I like better than an early morning fuck. 9am is too late. By the end of the day I am too tired to give my best.

We're all different. I've never found a shortage of girls early morning. 6am 7am no matter. Those on Walking Street are almost certainly last nights leftovers, but elsewhere many are freshly arrived after a good nights sleep, and ready and willing to give an excellent performance![/QUOTE]I agree. Sexual desire is a 24 hour thing.

I used to be a night owl but now I am a morning person. I like to go to bed early (around 11pm) and wake up in the morning (6am) and yes part of my morning exercises is to have a beautiful girl or two next to me when I wake up to help me with the wake up process.

So although I try to find girls that I like that are willing to stay overnight, I sometimes do find myself waking up to an empty bed. Therefore, I search for my early morning meal.

I find Pattaya one of the best places to able to fill my desire at anytime.

went by the devil's den and it was in full swing, saw one hot looking chick walking out like she was going to run an errand but the rest of the girls were just regular looking to me. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s nearby had a company size formation of girls in their lineup sitting outside with some younger looking ones in the ranks.

super baby and naughty girls go go’s were almost empty on a saturday night, very unusual for super baby. five minutes after sitting in naughty girls, about seven more customers came in, teased mama san i gave her good luck and she agreed. business is indeed slow, hear it everywhere you go in this town, this is the time to be here if not for the price, at least for the eclectic selection now available.

[quote=run mann]went by the devil's den and it was in full swing, saw one hot looking chick walking out like she was going to run an errand but the rest of the girls were just regular looking to me. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s nearby had a company size formation of girls in their lineup sitting outside with some younger looking ones in the ranks.[/quote]i'm planning to check out devil's den today, as i'm over my jet lag now, and wouldn't mind a guaranteed good service overnight as long as the looks are passable ie i wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in public with her. the photos on the web page look good, but i guess they always do...

i thinking about joy at the moment. sorry, typo, 'i'm thinking about joy at the moment' - 'a stunning hard bodied bundle of energy'.

i'll let you know how i get on.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]WRONG!

Sexual desire is a 24 hour thing. I'm a morning man and nothing I like better than an early morning fuck. 9am is too late. By the end of the day I am too tired to give my best.

We're all different. I've never found a shortage of girls early morning. 6am 7am no matter. Those on Walking Street are almost certainly last nights leftovers, but elsewhere many are freshly arrived after a good nights sleep, and ready and willing to give an excellent performance![/QUOTE]I stand corrected guys, and hats off to your morning glory. As a dedicated insomniac it's rare that I'm asleep before 4am, and even rarer that I'm awake early morning (unless I am still awake from the night before). Like a vampire I hate seeing the sun come up. I don't think I've ever gone hunting for a girl at 8am. I'm a night-time fucker.
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[QUOTE=Opebo] And I obviously never take drugs - though as always I am pleased to see others taking them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pita123]Ok, I'll bite... why are you always pleased to see others taking drugs?[/QUOTE]I'll also bite - would you like to elaborate, Opebo?

[QUOTE=Piper1]...I'll also bite - would you like to elaborate?[/QUOTE]
[Why does Opebo like to see others take drugs?]

While I don't pretend to speak for Opebo, I am familiar with his mongering philosophy, his many reports, and opinions, so I think it is safe to speculate that he likes to see others take drugs because their drug habit makes them desperate for money, which in turn impells them into lives of prostitution, a situation with which he takes great advantage.

[QUOTE=Daddy07] ...that he likes to see others take drugs because their drug habit makes them desperate for money, which in turn impells them into lives of prostitution, a situation with which he takes great advantage.[/QUOTE]

Also, druggies are risk takers/don't give a flying fuck about their health so are more amenable to unsafe sex practices and so are more likely to offer bareback.

Alternatively he might have a little dealing business on the side ...joke:D.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I'm planning to check out Devil's Den today, as I'm over my jet lag now, and wouldn't mind a guaranteed good service overnight as long as the looks are passable ie I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in public with her. The photos on the web page look good, but I guess they always do...

I thinking about joy at the moment. Sorry, typo, 'I'm thinking about Joy at the moment' - 'A stunning hard bodied bundle of energy'.

I'll let you know how I get on.[/QUOTE]Well, since you asked, I actually chose Gibcy in the end, for a warm smile and a couple of other obvious attributes. Picked her and her box of tricks up at 10pm and got a taxi back to the hotel. Not quite sure why she or the management thought we would need 8 boxes of condoms, but we did our best. Got to sleep at 2am, with a brief interlude for listening to music on my iPod.

She is actually significantly larger than the girls I normally go for, and I don't mean fat, but certainly not someone you can throw around. Which made the whole thing a different experience to the last few girls. A whole lot of fun in any case. Cost 3000Bht. Why spend that money when cheaper options abound? Guaranteed good attitude and great sex...

It's my last day here, and I have to leave for the airport at 8pm. Depending how other things work out I might head back to the Den for a final session as there was a very cute little thing I spotted in the line out...

[QUOTE=Piper1]Get real Mr. Opebo. Ladyboys or not is not the problem. YaBa is the problem. You're not stupid, so you know that 9:00am hooking is not because of 'sexual desire' but due to drugs and desperation. And it's very rare for guys to be looking for hookers at 9:00am unless they're also spaced out. Tell me I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]Just knew y'all would want my valuable input here. Have to wonder how Piper could be so uninformed. Thought all veteran skirt chasers knew that the morning is absolutely the best time for a romp in the hay. My doctor friends and all the books on sexuality I have ever read confirm that, because of the positioning of blood in the body, the morning as we wake up is the best time and most of know how horny we frequently are at that time. Many of us do our hanky pank at the worst possible time--when we have been drinking and/or smoking for mucho tiempo and we are a little crocked and tired. Taking a bar girl for all night provides that companion ready for a good romp as we wake up. Ahhhhhhhh!

Your friend,

Arkyboy

[QUOTE=Arkyboy]Just knew y'all would want my valuable input here. Have to wonder how Piper could be so uninformed. Thought all veteran skirt chasers knew that the morning is absolutely the best time for a romp in the hay. My doctor friends and all the books on sexuality I have ever read confirm that, because of the positioning of blood in the body, the morning as we wake up is the best time and most of know how horny we frequently are at that time. Many of us do our hanky pank at the worst possible time--when we have been drinking and/or smoking for mucho tiempo and we are a little crocked and tired. Taking a bar girl for all night provides that companion ready for a good romp as we wake up. Ahhhhhhhh!

Your friend,

Arkyboy[/QUOTE]I don't know about the rest of you, but my little brother is always at its glory in the morning. So much so I sometimes wake up to my guest giving me a nice BJ wakeup call! what a wonderful way to wake up!

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I'm planning to check out Devil's Den today, as I'm over my jet lag now, and wouldn't mind a guaranteed good service overnight as long as the looks are passable ie I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in public with her. The photos on the web page look good, but I guess they always do...

I thinking about joy at the moment. Sorry, typo, 'I'm thinking about Joy at the moment' - 'A stunning hard bodied bundle of energy'.

I'll let you know how I get on.[/QUOTE]I tried the outcall service and asked for Joy and Goy. All I can say is Joy's description matches the service. She is definitely very good.

I went there and tried the in-call service too and had Peung and Beer. Peung is very GFE while Beer is definitely determined in her work.

Peung and Joy are definitely on my to do list when I return to Pattaya in a month.

I was walking on Soi Buakhaow yesterday and saw a really pretty thing in a massage place, all by herself. Has anyone been to this place? Can anyone say if the pretty young thing does more than legit massage?

The place is all the way on the far end, about 100m from Central Pattaya Rd., on the right as you walk towards Central Pattaya Rd. The girl was watching tv, and she got up as I walked past and I spied one hell of an ass and legs. Didn't have time to check for myself, and I am now in BKK, but I am returning next week and I wonder if it is worth my time.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I was walking on Soi Buakhaow yesterday and saw a really pretty thing in a massage place, all by herself. Has anyone been to this place? Can anyone say if the pretty young thing does more than legit massage?

The place is all the way on the far end, about 100m from Central Pattaya Rd., on the right as you walk towards Central Pattaya Rd. The girl was watching tv, and she got up as I walked past and I spied one hell of an ass and legs. Didn't have time to check for myself, and I am now in BKK, but I am returning next week and I wonder if it is worth my time.[/QUOTE]


You could just go in and ask for a happy ending and see what she says.

Have fun

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I was walking on Soi Buakhaow yesterday and saw a really pretty thing in a massage place, all by herself. Has anyone been to this place? Can anyone say if the pretty young thing does more than legit massage?

The place is all the way on the far end, about 100m from Central Pattaya Rd., on the right as you walk towards Central Pattaya Rd. The girl was watching tv, and she got up as I walked past and I spied one hell of an ass and legs. Didn't have time to check for myself, and I am now in BKK, but I am returning next week and I wonder if it is worth my time.[/QUOTE]

Most of the massage girls can be taken out ST or LT. Only if the girl likes you.
No pressure on them to go like the Go Go girls.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]You could just go in and ask for a happy ending and see what she says.

Have fun[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I would do this, except this place is a little out of the way (far end of the soi), and I was hoping to save myself an unnecessary trip out there. In the past, with places like this, I find it is hit or miss - sometimes the girls have a strict no-happy-end policy, sometimes it works. I was just wondering if anyone has had any luck with this place.

[QUOTE=Kumbu] In the past, with places like this, I find it is hit or miss - sometimes the girls have a strict no-happy-end policy.[/QUOTE]

Most of these Massage shops (girls) will offer some variation of a happy ending. While some will not allow uncovered FS, covered FS or BBBJ it's rare that these girls will be totally legit. If you do fail to obtain the happy ending you want and have the time and resources to invest you can still succeed. The ones that purport to be totally legit may be looking for that big pay day starting with dinner dates, movies, and tours culminating in that profitable and exclusive sponsorship.

Kumbu,

I'm not very good on distants "100M" but based on your post, going down Soi Buakhaow from as far back as the Siam Sawadee Hotel on the right hand side to Central Pattaya Road there are no massage places big or small. Right after the R-Con Residence Hotel across the another Soi, there is a small massage place that when I went by had a big old lady sitting outside there was no name of the place as far as I can see in English. Two or three shops down was another place called Jeans Massage, there was a girl sitting outside on one of those Thai cement table and chair, inside were 3 girls praying to start their day.

From that point on down Soi Buakhaow to Central Pattaya Road, on the right there are NO other massage places! Personally if a place is located on that Soi, the % of getting a H.J. increases but I think the girl will have to like you some before it happens unless the whole shop is dedicated to this practice.

So your choices have been narrow down to 2 places, it's either Jeans Massage or the big old lady, maybe who you saw was her daughter? Nevertheless, 200 baht a hour for a Thai Massage is not within my budget since the place I go to get the best damn legit Thai massage weekly is 200 baht for 2 hours.

LBM

Thanks LBM. I'm afraid my description was probably too sketchy to be of any help - my apologies.

The place looks (as I recall) like it is a mixed-use place, i.e., they offer hair-dos to ladies, they offer massage to farang, and maybe they even do nails? Now that you make me type this out, it seems less and less likely that anything will be available. But hey, what the hell, when I get back to Pattaya I'll give it a go and let you all know what the deal is.

Kumbu,

If the shop owner has properly trained paper she most likely has the credential to be a hairdresser and manicures. Some shop owners if they can't afford to have staff on hand usually contract the work out on a commission bases. Some shop owners are also former P4P that either have hooked up with a Farang or save their money to learn a trade and then open a shop. Personally it is highly unlikely that she would do massages and be a hairdresser at the same time. Also, getting a HJ, in her shop would be unlikely in my opinion.

Now when it comes to these mix use shop only you know where it is so good luck.

LBM

[quote=kumbu]i was walking on soi buakhaow yesterday and saw a really pretty thing in a massage place, all by herself. has anyone been to this place? can anyone say if the pretty young thing does more than legit massage?

the place is all the way on the far end, about 100m from central pattaya rd., on the right as you walk towards central pattaya rd. the girl was watching tv, and she got up as i walked past and i spied one hell of an ass and legs. didn't have time to check for myself, and i am now in bkk, but i am returning next week and i wonder if it is worth my time.[/quote]there is only 1 way to find out. go in and try it. whats the worst that can happen? the least you will get is a massage. never a bad thing.

if she gets you pumped up but doesn`t give a happy ending just nip round to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and let 1 of their girls take care of it.

as for you thinking the shop may be a legitimate hairdressers or beauty shop. if the girl is prepared to give extras then there will be an upstairs or a back room available. tit after all.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Kumbu,

Nevertheless, 200 baht a hour for a Thai Massage is not within my budget since the place I go to get the best damn legit Thai massage weekly is 200 baht for 2 hours.

LBM[/QUOTE]

Would you mind sharing the location? I haven't yet found a great place for a legit Thai massage.

Many thanks

David 2,

If you are not familar with Pattaya and you are staying inside of Pattaya the location will most likely be too far for you.

The place I visit is on the otherside of Sukhumvit. If you go up to the end of Central Pattaya Road to Sukhumvit on the left you will see a bridge linking you to the otherside of Sukhumvit. Near the 7/11 there is a Soi called Soi Nern Plabwan Road. Go down this Soi, across bridge and past the outdoor market another mile down look for a purple sign Sumo Massage on the left.

If that is too far give this place a try. It has a fish bowl so it's going to be somewhat of a crabshoot. But recently I tried 93, she wasn't bad but the place has a specific style that the girls follow. Can't give you the name since it is all in Thai but you should be able to locate it.

Just off Central Pattaya Rd. and 3rd Rd. across from the TOT building go up Central Pattaya Rd. on the left hand side, same as Carrefour. You will see a large bright green building with smoke glass door. Don't be afraid just go in and the fish bowl is on the right and the mamasan should be right there. Two hour massage is 280 baht and for a two hour massage I usually give them a tip of 100 baht because it's hard work.

Good luck, LBM

I pulled Jiab out of Superbaby last night.

[url]http://www.superagogo.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=41&g2_itemId=210[/url]

Everything is covered but she knows her job.

Superbaby is expensive for Pattaya relative to what I read on the board. Drinks are $120 baht. Take out fee is 700. Short-term is 1500 baht and long-term is 2500.

I am glad that I only went short-time because she was not feeling well. She is a kisser so it that puts her at higher risk of getting sick. I find this true everywhere I go. If she was feeling better I would probably go back and do long-time. It is the dilemma of the three-day visit.

Big Boss Man,

When it comes to Super Baby, Happy A Go Go, and many others in Walking St... the common practice is that they all don't feel good became they just want to get the hell out of there for S.T. back to the place for another customer. They're not going to come straight out and tell you they don't do LT. Another common practice is the phone rings and they have a emergency hoping that you will feel sorry for them and still pay them the full LT amount. And believe me many do othewise they wouldn't continue to pull this trick!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]

It has a fish bowl so it's going to be somewhat of a crabshoot.[/QUOTE](I mean no offense LittleBigMan)

Just had to laugh at the "crapshoot" typo. Not exactly a word you want to hear in this hobby.

Seems just about everywhere in Patt's is deathly quiet just now.

Had a great experience last evening. Whilst walking along beach road about 5-30pm got chatting to this really friendly girl, and, to cut a long story short, invited her and a friend she recommended back to my place for a couple of hours of fun and games. Great value! No mention of money but I gave them 1000 each which they, and I, were very happy with!

Maybe a sign of the times!

Unfortunately I'm only in Thailand for a few days. Seems like a good time now!

Attached a few pics.

[QUOTE=Seven Spot](I mean no offense LittleBigMan)

Just had to laugh at the "crapshoot" typo. Not exactly a word you want to hear in this hobby.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for pointing that out, you got that right!

LBM

Trip 22 to Pattaya.

Just did my first beach girl ever yesterday. Usually gogos are my thing but was just wandering down taking advantage of the sun for the 1st time in a week (maid calls me a vampire as I never surface til it's nearly dark and she has to hang around later than normal).

I was just wandering down observing how much of a dump the beach is when a REALLY cute young thing ran across the road shouting for me to stop. I thought she was one of those touts trying to get your address etc to go look at condos for sale. I stopped and prepared for the long spiel and the usual persistant rebuttals from me (it's a game and i sometimes have fun with them) but she tells me she wants go with me. me handsome man, she no eat today and is very hungry etc. She clung onto my arm and was very persistant. I just couldnt get away from her. Well since I was in a bit of a state after a real hottie in Tahitian Queen kept rubbing my dick and shouting at it to "wake up, I want to suck you" for a couple of hours for the price of two tequilas, I checked her over a few times and thought why not, give anything a try once.

I aked her how much, and she straight away said "500B short time. I let you come in my mouth" while performing the universal mime for a BJ in the middle of the street :-)

Ok sounds good to me. So off we go to my hotel just behind cinema in 2nd Road (Pattaya Bay Resort btw - great hotel) and we're chatting along the way. She seems a bit spaced out and hyper at the same time (if you can imagine such opposite things!) but she is telling me that she has no customers for 3 days and she is hungry and has two children to feed. Had her first kid at 18 and her second at 20, both to Thais so now she has to "take care of ferangs". She is 24 now. I remarked that she was very pretty and why does't she work in GoGo or a beer bar. She doesn't like having a boss. They treat them badly, fine them if late, not pay sometimes etc. She likes to come and go when she pleases so she can help take care of her kids and help her sister. Probably a common thing on the beach.

So we get back to the room. Not shy in the slightest, she strips naked in front of me the second we get into the room. Thats when the disappointment starts to creep in. I knew it was a gamble not seeing her naked first (one of the reasons I like GoGos where you see the goods upfront) but wasn't impressed at all with the saggy tits and pot belly (no stretch marks though thank god). Oh well i thought, i'll just go for the BJ and get it over and done with. Only 500B after all and no bar fine and she was very pretty.

She then did the thing that always gets me irritated, having showered first, i'm then left waiting on the bed in a state of anticipation and arousal for what seems like 20 minutes as she has the longest shower on known record. i really hate when they do this!! I appreciate them getting clean but they take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] sometimes!! And I only wanted a BJ by this point, I wouldn't have cared if she didn't shower or get undressesd at all.

So after i'd finished watching the end of a movie and was starting on the 2nd, for God's sake, out she comes with the towel wrapped around her and lays down on the bed all coy and shy like. Again, that must be one of the most annoying things in the world for a monger, worse when it's a GoGo girl who's strutted around naked on the stage all night and been sitting rubbing your dick telling you they want boom boom with you while you squeeze their tits and rub their pussies only to then get back to your room and be suddenly transformed into the most virginal, shy, convent girl who you need the hotel security guards to help you get the bloody towel off of her!!!

OK rant over!! For Now!! :-)

Ok so i had no real desire for anything else so after negotiating the removel of the glued on towel, she jumps into service with vigour and gives me one of the slurpiest, most enthusiastic BJs i've had here. It took a while as I wasn't really that attracted to her at this point but, give her credit, she didn't complain once and just kept right at it, changing positions when she got tired until the hap[py ending was achieved.

So there I am still in a dreamlike state of recovery when I look up and she is fully dressed and says she will go now. Can she have the money. It literally was about 2 minutes after finishing. Hell, no problem, i didn't want her staying around ayway as I had no desire for 2nds. Paid the 500B and off she trots as she says "to go find another customer before I go eat"!! What a professional.

So my 1 and only Beach Road girl experience. Verdict - would have been good if she had a better body but she wasn't much of a turn on so it was just soso. The BJ was excellent though. Think I'd do it again but try to find out if they have kids first and that would probably give me a better indication of the state of her body. schoolboy error. I should have known better. Oh well.

had lots more experiences since I've been here but they have just been mostly the usual stuff. I might write up some of the more interesting or unusual ones when I get the chance.

JohntheScot

Oh btw I am so loving this place being so quiet right now. Best i've seen, or worst, take your pick.

Great for me, bad for the girls. Oh well.

Stay away guys :-)

JohntheScot

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Big Boss Man,

When it comes to Super Baby, Happy A Go Go, and many others in Walking St... the common practice is that they all don't feel good became they just want to get the hell out of there for S.T. back to the place for another customer. They're not going to come straight out and tell you they don't do LT. Another common practice is the phone rings and they have a emergency hoping that you will feel sorry for them and still pay them the full LT amount. And believe me many do othewise they wouldn't continue to pull this trick!

LBM[/QUOTE]

Superbaby and Supergirl have, in my opinion, THE best looking girls on average in the whole of Pattaya. They cater for the Japanese who like the doll like, cute looks and big tits. Problem is the girls are mostly quite quiet or sometimes even sullen and therefore there is no real atmosphere. I do go to both a lot to look but over the years i have a good relationship with the serving girls and bosses in both and tend to have a good laugh with them and rarely talk to the girls, who dont seem that bothered anyway.

Had one girl in Superbaby last year who after buying a ladydrink, told me 5 mins later that if i didn't pay bar fine she couldn't talk to me anymore!! WTF!! She obviously didn't want to sit around too long and miss the Japanese big spenders (who she admitted she preferred, as they were quicker and were happy with 1 time). She was a total stunner though, definite 9/10!! I didn't pay the barfine that night but did a few days later. We kept in touch and became friends on Messenger, sms etc when I got home. She used to msn me when the bar closed at 3am if she didn't have a customer and we'd just chat bollocks for an hour or 2. She stopped working for 4 months for a break (she admitted she'd made a lot of money and wanted to take care of her health, sex 2 or 3 times a day not being particularly good for it internally) and so on last trip in Nov she hung around with me for most of the time. Lots of great sex. I did buy her dinner when we were out and take her to cinema etc but she wouldn't take any more money from me. Even offered me to stay in her room, which I did a couple of times. Nice room.

She's back working in a bar again but I have avoided going in there for 1st 7 days of trip as I knew I would only want to see her for the rest of the trip and I wanted some variety. 8 days to go so will probably go see her in the next couple of days. She thinks I'm arriving tomorrow!! :-)

Think I'm just trying to say that the girls when working in a bar situation can sometimes be totally different away from work. Normal girls sometimes. Sometimes.

JohntheScot

p.s. BTW she would love to marry a ferang and go live in their country with them.

Johnthescot,

My remarks has only to do with them working the go-gos or bars as a response to what Seven Spot reported. It was in no way to say they this is the way they are 24/7 since I know they are human and are doing what they need to do to get by in life.

I use to go to Super Baby and Happy, yes they do have the best looking girls but they are taught to agree to LT, and after the first shot come up with excuses like I'm not feeling well or the phone rings and off they go usually hoping the customer feels sorry for them and give them the full amount. Then they are back quicker than you can say next to the club hoping for another customer. Everyone pays their dues and I certainly did my share but the next time I went into Happy I didn't give the girl a second look and make it a point to pick her friend instead of her. Her friend was a 10 plus in my book and provided me with great service. A year later when I came back to see and pick her the boss man told me she got married to a rich farang, was having his baby and purchased a small club on Walking street for her to run.

Those were the good old days!

LBM

[QUOTE=Bonker04]Seems just about everywhere in Patt's is deathly quiet just now.

Had a great experience last evening. Whilst walking along beach road about 5-30pm got chatting to this really friendly girl, and, to cut a long story short, invited her and a friend she recommended back to my place for a couple of hours of fun and games. Great value! No mention of money but I gave them 1000 each which they, and I, were very happy with!

Maybe a sign of the times!

Unfortunately I'm only in Thailand for a few days. Seems like a good time now!

Attached a few pics.[/QUOTE]Thats what it is all about, being happy.

But, I think you over paid. I am sure you would have got the pair for 1000 Baht. Your money so it`s up to you.

Problem is, the next punter they snare they will be expecting 1000 Baht each and the Beach Road freelancers will be on the same upward spiral fees wise as the Soi 6 girls and the go-go girls.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Johnthescot,

My remarks has only to do with them working the go-gos or bars as a response to what Seven Spot reported. It was in no way to say they this is the way they are 24/7 since I know they are human and are doing what they need to do to get by in life.

I use to go to Super Baby and Happy, yes they do have the best looking girls but they are taught to agree to LT, and after the first shot come up with excuses like I'm not feeling well or the phone rings and off they go usually hoping the customer feels sorry for them and give them the full amount. Then they are back quicker than you can say next to the club hoping for another customer. Everyone pays their dues and I certainly did my share but the next time I went into Happy I didn't give the girl a second look and make it a point to pick her friend instead of her. Her friend was a 10 plus in my book and provided me with great service. A year later when I came back to see and pick her the boss man told me she got married to a rich farang, was having his baby and purchased a small club on Walking street for her to run.

Those were the good old days!

LBM[/QUOTE]

LBM, sorry i wasnt implying anything about your post at all but the posts just reminded me of my experiences in those two bars.

Amazing looking girls but it's just more of a factory than a lot of the others.

Oh well time for a quick shower and to brave the gauntlet of walking street for another night. Someone's got to do it I suppose on behalf of the poor unfortunates that cant be here at the moment!! :-) Hopefully a report on how good (or bad) it was tomorrow.

JohntheScot

[QUOTE=Johnthescot]So after i'd finished watching the end of a movie and was starting on the 2nd, for God's sake, out she comes with the towel wrapped around her and lays down on the bed all coy and shy like. Again, that must be one of the most annoying things in the world for a monger, worse when it's a GoGo girl who's strutted around naked on the stage all night and been sitting rubbing your dick telling you they want boom boom with you while you squeeze their tits and rub their pussies only to then get back to your room and be suddenly transformed into the most virginal, shy, convent girl who you need the hotel security guards to help you get the bloody towel off of her!!! [/QUOTE]
Some time ago I used to go with a girl who was quite OK with being naked when she was 'working' (she worked at Annie's, and was one of the few 9/10's), but back at my hotel she was 'shy lady'. We got friendly when I sat and chatted to her during the session, while she was of course completely naked and relaxed about it.

Never could understand the distinction between work and pleasure, and why the embarassment was that way round...? Rationally you would think she would be more relaxed with me as a friend than with someone who was a complete stranger.

What's more, she used to sleep semi-dressed, so after the deed was done she would shower then pull on her shorts and T-shirt, before having to strip off again in the morning. She told me that all Thai girls did the same, but soon found out that it wasn't quite true.

I just got back from Pattaya and currently in BKK. Here's my report

Due to the recent demonstration and the swine flu the number of tourists have been reduce to a fraction of what it was a year ago, this means that all of the girls are bored and hungry for business.

A couple of the bars on walking street have for rent signs up and the Russians are talking over. Most of the places have signs in Russian and I am assuming Russian owners now. ( the Russian mob need a place to stash their toot).

The girls are the same as always, most have darker skin and are from issan. Nothing have change about that.

I went to Koh Lanh, and notice a middle age white guy with balding head speaking English with to a darker skin Thai girl. She did not have a clue what he was talking about , but seem to enjoy the clear water of the island.

Less pesky little kids running around late at night on Walking st. The police decided to crack down on them after getting numerous complaints from tourists about being hassled. It turned out that most of the kids are not Thai, but from neighboring countries.

Fresh seafood can be had from vendors at the end of Walking St opposite the Pier for Koh Lanh. We got 1kg of fresh crab for 200B and pay 30B to have them cook it for us. Prawns can be had for 120B for a kg, lot less than 90B per 100g less than 100ft away. ( this is where the beach side vendors get their seafood) As you can see the mark up is 900%.

We stayed at Mike's Hotel. Older hotel, but the room where clean. 2 beds for 900B per night and 20 ft from the main entrance of walking street.

Central Plaza has a huge shopping mall facing the beach within walking distance to Walking st. I saw many guys bring their telaks ( thai for sweetheart) for a little browsing. And maybe catch a movie ( English with Thai subtitles or Thai with English subs available.)

There's a local thai market directly opposite the back entrance of Central. This is where you can find some deals.

Over all a good trip.

My advice

1. Stay near walking st.

2. Avoid empty "taxi" trucks, they will try to over charge you. ALWAYS ask first how much if you unsure.

3. Avoid eating on Walking St. Quite expensive.

4. Go to Koh Lanh. The water is crystal clear. (Go to the Pier located at the end of Walking St. 20B per person) (leave every hr starting at 8am, last return trip at 6pm)

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its been a while since i spent any time in pattaya. so much has changed and nothing has changed. i stayed on soi 8 at the eastiny plaza hotel…. if you book the eastiny make sure you get the new one ½ way up the block. the first one coming from the beach across from flipper lodge is a dump with lousy rooms. this is the one that has the big restaurant advertising all you can eat buffet for around 200 baht.

i arrived late in the evening and walked up to the gogo bar (sexy girl?) on soi 8. there was nothing special about it but one girl nok came to sit with me and we hit it off. it was her first day at that bar (after working i found out later in soi cowboy for a year) and she was quiet and sweet. she left in the next late morning and i told her i would come by that night again. --- yeah right.

the next day was spent running around checking out the sights like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (blah), and a couple open early walking street clubs. one club (can’t remember the name) on the beach side of walking street and you have to walk up the stairs was fairly high mileage so i bought a round of drinks for the girls since i was pretty much the only customer. for the next hour or so the girls took turns (3-4 at a time) with their hands down my pants, and mine in, out and around every inch of them. it was just raunchy fun until i left with kisses all around. yes, i now believe i am “handsome man good heart” and “sweet mouth”. for 1000 baht it was great fun.

after visiting the usual suspects in and around walking street no one struck my fancy and i found myself back at the original soi 8 agogo asking for nok. she of course was certain i was blowing her off so when i showed up she went nuts. now we were in for a great time and she started to ask all kinds of questions about the other clubs etc. bar fine paid we walked down the street to the other gogo where they have the tub with girls showing their accuracy dropping ice cubes into your drink from their pussy as well as all kinds of other sexy things. well nok couldn’t keep her eyes off the girls and finally took her first touch. you could tell she was getting really turned on but was still too shy to bring another girl on.

the next day was a holiday but we hit those clubs that were open. she was not into the usual dancing nude clubs…. she wanted to touch and more. she did get to use a banana on a girl and i almost convince her to take a lick. still too shy but getting better by the day. a round of pool (she kicked my butt) and back to the hotel. the next day we hooked up early, dinner, walking street, more playing with other girls pussies and back to the hotel until i had to leave.

wow i went a whole report without talking about the sex. well nok is a thin a cup spinner with a great smile and attitude. she was good the first night but after i came back she treated me like a beloved boyfriend. lots of great kissing and loves to be fondled, kissed, licked and of course boom boomed.

oh i forgot her funniest line. when i offered to bring another girl of her choosing back to the hotel for some 3some and lesbian she declined because even though she was curious "girls no boom boom - i like boom boom". whats a guy to say to that.

i now get 5 – 10 sms message a day. i do miss her too.

Having read about Pattaya for years, I finally decided, during my recent trip to Bangkok, to go and see for myself. I was staying at Giotto's place, and he kindly arranged a private car (B1,500), which was new, clean, and efficient to take me there. I booked a room online, at the Nova Platinum Hotel, on the recommendation of Piper 1, and got a rate of something less than B1,500 a night. The hotel was terrific: large plasma TV in the room, nicely furnished, and strictly no hassles.

For me, the hotel was the best thing about the place as I found Pattaya to be, in general, a hole. First, it probably had the largest assemblage of unattractive, worn, Thai women I've ever seen in any single location. Second, most of the foreign tourists looked like they crept out of the woodwork of the Norman Bates motel: a truly motley collection of farangs and Thais.

I did rent a small motor bike, which was sort of fun, and I did explore most of the tourist sports of the city, but I have to confess, I do not understand the attraction, and I doubt that I will ever return. I hit Walking St., Beach Road, most of the Sois, and could find no redeeming qualities of the areas at all. Unless your idea of fun is watching a bunch of rowdy Australians, in old shorts and tee shirts getting drunk at 10 in the morning, I fail to see the attraction. Had I not prepaid for two nights, I would have returned to the more civilized atmosphere of Bangkok and Giotto's establishment after a single night. As it is, I'm sorry I wasted my time.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]...As it is, I'm sorry I wasted my time...[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the way I feel about Bangkok and it's three times more expensive there. ;)

[QUOTE=DeepVoid]I now get 5 – 10 sms message a day. I do miss her too.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that all the other guys getting 5-10 sms a day, miss Nok too.

Has the family buffalo died yet?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Having read about Pattaya for years, I finally decided, during my recent trip to Bangkok, to go and see for myself. I was staying at Giotto's place, and he kindly arranged a private car (B1,500), which was new, clean, and efficient to take me there. I booked a room online, at the Nova Platinum Hotel, on the recommendation of Piper 1, and got a rate of something less than B1,500 a night. The hotel was terrific: large plasma TV in the room, nicely furnished, and strictly no hassles.

For me, the hotel was the best thing about the place as I found Pattaya to be, in general, a hole. First, it probably had the largest assemblage of unattractive, worn, Thai women I've ever seen in any single location. Second, most of the foreign tourists looked like the crept out of the woodwork of the Norman Bates motel: a truly motley collection of farangs and Thais.

I did rent a small motor bike, which was sort of fun, and I did explore most of the tourist sports of the city, but I have to confess, I do not understand the attraction, and I doubt that I will ever return. I hit Walking St., Beach Road, most of the Sois, and could find no redeeming qualities of the areas at all. Unless your idea of fun is watching a bunch of rowdy Australians, in old shorts and tee shirts getting drunk at 10 in the morning, I fail to see the attraction. Had I not prepaid for two nights, I would have returned to the more civilized atmosphere of Bangkok and Giotto's establishment after a single night. As it is, I'm sorry I wasted my time.

GE[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. In three paragraphs, you have summed up my thoughts about Pattaya.

I have been to Pattaya 4 times and have only bar fined a girl once (my first trip). The only reason why I go back is to go swimming in Koh Larn, which has one of the prettiest beaches around and is close to BKK.

The only down side is all of the tour companies dump their guest their mid day, I would recommend going after 2pm.

As far as the girls are concern. If you like them darker, older, and uglier than be my guest. I would say out of 100 girls, there are 2 decent looking ones and 1 hot one. Go out early otherwise these few will have been taken.

FYI: If you living here, the Thais look down on darker skin girls. So you will not impress anyone at work if you show up with a black Thai girl, which is what I see a lot of in Pattaya. If you don't believe me or need to confirm my statement, just turn the TV on. Do you see any black Thai girls on the tube?

[QUOTE=Daddy07]That's exactly the way I feel about Bangkok and it's three times more expensive there. ;)[/QUOTE]
And I guess that's why choice and free will are so wonderful. I love Bangkok and all it has to offer.

Planning a 2 day visit to Pattaya, this month.

2 days/nights at the Hard Rock.

I've been to Pattaya 20 times, but it's been 3 years since my last visit. Though I've been living in Northern Thailand for the past 8 months.

I know the go-go bars that open at 2PM, and Soi 6 options.

Since I'm traveling with my TGF and my buddy is also, looking at current go-go bars with in house S/T rooms.....hopefully those that open early (2PM-6PM) and have a good selection.

Mosquito2002

Per previous post, only have 2 days/nights in Pattaya.

Looking for early afternoon/evening go-gos with in house S/T rooms at a reasonable price. I already know about Soi 6, but everytime I visit there my TGF knows about it!!!

As stated in a previous post, I've been to Pattaya at least 20 times most recently 3 years ago. I know about TQ (2PM opening), Soi Post Office go-gos (2PM opening), Soi 2 Classroom (2PM opening)....any other option outside the norm......don't need the TGF to find out about my outside activities.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Per previous post, only have 2 days/nights in Pattaya.

Looking for early afternoon/evening go-gos with in house S/T rooms at a reasonable price. I already know about Soi 6, but everytime I visit there my TGF knows about it!!!

As stated in a previous post, I've been to Pattaya at least 20 times most recently 3 years ago. I know about TQ (2PM opening), Soi Post Office go-gos (2PM opening), Soi 2 Classroom (2PM opening)....any other option outside the norm......don't need the TGF to find out about my outside activities.[/QUOTE]


Try Oasis go go on Soi Buckhoaw at the top of Soi Diana. Opens about 3pm.

You could also try Devils den on SOi lk

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand] Frankly, I've always thought of Bangkok as pretty much a shit hole, too, not that much better than Pattaya, just a much bigger hole with a lot more shit in it.[/QUOTE]

With the added attraction of a litany of aggressive scams and scammers from the moment you touch down at Suvarnabhumi.

Peppermint turned out to be my favorite Go Go on my short trip to Pattaya. The interesting experience that I had there was to take out a girl for her first time ever #91. She said that she had been in Pattaya only three days. She did not know how to put a condom on nor would she give head. I would not recommend one so inexperienced but I am on a long trip so variety spices up life. The other thing she did was wash her hair in my shower which also tells me she was not settled yet. I went back the next night to take her out but she was not around. I took out number 62 instead.

I wonder how long it will be before she starts giving BJs? She will probably figure it out when guys start turning her down.

Peppermint was even more expensive than Super Girl but I liked the ambience better. 600 baht barfine and they asked for 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]Thats what it is all about, being happy.

But, I think you over paid. I am sure you would have got the pair for 1000 Baht. Your money so it`s up to you.

Problem is, the next punter they snare they will be expecting 1000 Baht each and the Beach Road freelancers will be on the same upward spiral fees wise as the Soi 6 girls and the go-go girls.[/QUOTE]Woodman 2,

This are nice looking girl not your average beach girl, but I would keep them over night for 1000 bht each, bonker 4 have a good time as long he think is worth the money.

Fast Eddie 48

Big Boss Man,

#91, wasn't there because she was out using the same line and washing her hair at another Farang Hotel room who also fell for the same line. She good #91!

LBM

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man]I pulled Jiab out of Superbaby last night.

[/QUOTE]

Jiab has been around for a few years now and though beginning to develop a little tummy I have always thought she was one of the best looking girls in any go-go bar in Thailand. Her Betty Boop mouth is wonderful and she always has this quizzical look on her face. But I just look - have had a few friends go with her and all came back with really mediocre reports - all covered as you say and in a hell of a hurry to leave. Since I have already seen those wonderful breasts I am not sure what the point of taking her would be. A trophy f*** I guess.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'm sure that all the other guys getting 5-10 sms a day, miss Nok too.

Has the family buffalo died yet?[/QUOTE]

LOL


Actually, the buffalo is fine though the arthritis is starting to slow him down. The problem with the 5-10 sms's per day is that they remind me of the 5 - 10 BJ she wanted to give me per day. Crazy as this sounds this girl never asked for money nor complained about being broke ( I was ready for the usual SOP which is why I haven't stayed with a girl more than overnight in over 10 years).

I simply took her out for a nice dinner every night - bought her lots of drinks as we hit the town and then had to shove cash into her purse when she left in the morning. She reminded me of what it was like here in LOS back in the late 70's early 80's. Those were the days.

Guys:

What's the word currently on a friendly BB and nice Take Out staff, maybe closer to the South side, Pattaya Hill, since I will be staying at the Dynasty Resort? (However, I will have transportation.)
Thanks!

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Guys:

What's the word currently on a friendly BB and nice Take Out staff, maybe closer to the South side, Pattaya Hill, since I will be staying at the Dynasty Resort? (However, I will have transportation.)

Thanks![/QUOTE]Great choice of hotels, that's where I stay when visiting Pattaya/jomtien.

You can rent a scooter right around the corner on the hill for comparitively cheap from a british expat. His gf/wife does laundry for cheap too.

I prefer the bb on soi boukau, not sure of the spelling but pronounced bowcow.

The massage action is great at soi honey just off third road.

If you have a day in BKK you should try a sweet girl called "nice" at aviva massage on soi 8, she was delicious. You look up on the left when turning on to soi 8 and you see a sign pointing the way to aviva.

Hope this helps happy punning. Wangho6969.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I feel the same way. In three paragraphs, you have summed up my thoughts about Pattaya.

I have been to Pattaya 4 times and have only bar fined a girl once (my first trip). The only reason why I go back is to go swimming in Koh Larn, which has one of the prettiest beaches around and is close to BKK.

The only down side is all of the tour companies dump their guest their mid day, I would recommend going after 2pm.

As far as the girls are concern. If you like them darker, older, and uglier than be my guest. I would say out of 100 girls, there are 2 decent looking ones and 1 hot one. Go out early otherwise these few will have been taken.

FYI: If you living here, the Thais look down on darker skin girls. So you will not impress anyone at work if you show up with a black Thai girl, which is what I see a lot of in Pattaya. If you don't believe me or need to confirm my statement, just turn the TV on. Do you see any black Thai girls on the tube?[/QUOTE]Someone one said that generalizations are the work of fools. There are more than 2000 bars, gogos in Pattaya and all kinds of women. Never seen such ignorant comments on the site. Arkyboy

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]...Pattaya ...I fail to see the attraction.

GE[/QUOTE]

Are you serious, GE? Cheap sex, obviously.

[QUOTE]I prefer the bb on soi boukau, not sure of the spelling but pronounced bowcow.[/QUOTE]Ah, the most misspelled, mispronounced street name in all Thailand. For the record it's Buakhaao ("White Lotus"), pronounced Boo-a-cow.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Having read about Pattaya for years, I finally decided, during my recent trip to Bangkok, to go and see for myself. I was staying at Giotto's place, and he kindly arranged a private car (B1,500), which was new, clean, and efficient to take me there. I booked a room online, at the Nova Platinum Hotel, on the recommendation of Piper 1, and got a rate of something less than B1,500 a night. The hotel was terrific: large plasma TV in the room, nicely furnished, and strictly no hassles.

For me, the hotel was the best thing about the place as I found Pattaya to be, in general, a hole. First, it probably had the largest assemblage of unattractive, worn, Thai women I've ever seen in any single location. Second, most of the foreign tourists looked like they crept out of the woodwork of the Norman Bates motel: a truly motley collection of farangs and Thais.

I did rent a small motor bike, which was sort of fun, and I did explore most of the tourist sports of the city, but I have to confess, I do not understand the attraction, and I doubt that I will ever return. I hit Walking St., Beach Road, most of the Sois, and could find no redeeming qualities of the areas at all. Unless your idea of fun is watching a bunch of rowdy Australians, in old shorts and tee shirts getting drunk at 10 in the morning, I fail to see the attraction. Had I not prepaid for two nights, I would have returned to the more civilized atmosphere of Bangkok and Giotto's establishment after a single night. As it is, I'm sorry I wasted my time.

GE[/QUOTE]This is also my first time ever in Pattaya and would like do add my comments. I came attracted by the reports about this place regarded as some kind of mongers' Disneyland. I booked at the Nova Platinum Hotel which was accurately described as well located and close to the action. My first impression was: yes, there are lots of girls but I feel it was a little bit short of the huge expectations created from reports. Initially I though " Well, this place is nice but Subic BAy in the Phillipines is defiintively better in terms of quality". This is because my type of girl is curvy, wide hips and nice butt and I found most of the girls too skinny. Obviously this is just a matter of taste and I understand that lots of guys like this kind of girls, I respect that. Obviously the go-go bars are places where the odds of getting my dreamed girl were good, however I've read reports about having to pay big premiums and, more important, the services are mostly mechanical and rushed. So, after going through several bars an go-go's I decided to go look for the freelance talent down in the beach. After looking around I spotted this lady that had the kind of body I was looking for, not to skinny, not to chunky and a nice tanned skin. I talked to her and immediately started a nice conversation. She has in her thirties but in a really good shape I would give her a 7. After some minutes I decided to take her home. Once in the hotel I offered her something to drink, she asked for a beer so I got one from the mini-bar, but when she saw the price list she said that was a rip-off and she offered to go down to a convenience store for cheaper beers! Obviously I went with her and got a six pack. So we were back to the room drinking our beers and having a good time. Sex was great, a total GFE. The "damage": 1000 BTH for the whole night and part of the morning. Of course I gave her a nice tip as I was very pleased with her services.

The moral is: Personally I believe that beauty is not all to look for in a one-night stand girl. As a matter of fact, the most memorable experiences have been with average non-smoking hot girls whose main attribute is great attitude. But if what you are looking for in Pattaya is 10 rated girls you'll find it but not without some effort and $$$

Happy hunting.

I have been in Phuket, but never in Pattaya. Is there "joiner fee" at the hotels in Pattaya?

Would you please suggest some hotels, which is close to the action-place and which does not demand "joiner fee"?

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I have been in Phuket, but never in Pattaya. Is there "joiner fee" at the hotels in Pattaya?

Would you please suggest some hotels, which is close to the action-place and which does not demand "joiner fee"?[/QUOTE]


Most Pattaya Hotels are GF but there are a few that charge joiner fees. Check the Pattaya hotel thread for more info.

[QUOTE=Tequila85]The moral is: Personally I believe that beauty is not all to look for in a one-night stand girl. As a matter of fact, the most memorable experiences have been with average non-smoking hot girls whose main attribute is great attitude. But if what you are looking for in Pattaya is 10 rated girls you'll find it but not without some effort and $$$[/QUOTE]

P4P stunners or 10s are not necessarily going to put forth the effort because as has been said here before these girls are in high demand and prefer to stay in the bars perfecting imbibing. They make more money staying in the bars or doing multiple quickie ST sessions. Some of them think that when you bar fine them, they are doing you a favor. It's true that most of the girls in Pattaya are average lookers but there are stunners if that is what you want. However, it will cost you more and the service may or not equate the price you pay.

[QUOTE=Tequila85] My first impression was: yes, there are lots of girls but I feel it was a little bit short of the huge expectations created from reports. Initially I though " Well, this place is nice but Subic BAy in the Phillipines is defiintively better in terms of quality". Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

Subic Bay and Manila are both great places for women, as I've been to both for the past 20 years. I've always had a toss up whether to settle for Pattaya and Thailand, or PI. Both have their qualities. I love them both. I wouldn't be so quick to brush off Pattaya. Although you're correct about seemingly thinner women in Thailand, there are still the curvy types here too.
My friend and I would often dismiss each other's claim of "beautiful women", as he also preferred the curvy type, and I definitely leaned towards the thin. But he always found what he was looking for. The curvy types are out there.
He didn't typically find those curvaceous women at my preferred clubs (Happy, Peppermint, Club Boesche'). Seems like Tahitian Queen (original, on Beach Road) often had a suitable mix, that I could get my "thin" fill, and he would find the curvier one. There was another club he liked where there were curvy girls, but I don't recall where it was.
They're out there, is all I'm saying.
Subic Bay... ahh, the memories...

[QUOTE=Run Mann]P4P stunners or 10s are not necessarily going to put forth the effort because as has been said here before these girls are in high demand and prefer to stay in the bars perfecting imbibing.[/QUOTE]

Run Mann, you are quite right about the beautiful women of Pattaya, the 10's. Maybe I've just been fortunate, but most of the service I've recieved from the stunners has been pretty good overall. Not always, but not really disappointed. But the exceptional service has been from the "less-than-stunners", and I agree with you.
But I guess I'm just so shallow... I tend to keep going back to the 10's with their higher prices, pretty good attitude (overall), and still good service. The individual stunners who suck (not in a good way), don't get a second round with me. But those have been the minority.

[QUOTE=Arkyboy]Someone one said that generalizations are the work of fools. There are more than 2000 bars, gogos in Pattaya and all kinds of women. Never seen such ignorant comments on the site. Arkyboy[/QUOTE]Everyone is entitled to his opinion on this site. What Arkyboy considers an "ignorant" comment may be found useful by others. As you can see from all my post, I never criticize the views of other and have always added something of value to each of my posts.

The posts are my observations from being here and living here. But the true disclaimer is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A classic example of this is the girl I'm currently with. While I think she a mere 7, I posted her picture on date in Asia and she got like hundreds of messages. This is the same girl that I have dumped 3 times.

So you each his own. I am not new to forums and reason why forums are such fun and an effective way to share info is because you are FREE to express your opinions.

If a new viewer reads this forum and see your post in which you call my comment ignorant, he might be hesitant to contribute his opinion. In this case we all lose out on what could be potential valuable info which he would have share.

In the end we are all losers if we can not respect the views of others.

Originally Posted by Frankfurter

Guys:

What's the word currently on a friendly BB and nice Take Out staff, maybe closer to the South side, Pattaya Hill, since I will be staying at the Dynasty Resort? (However, I will have transportation.)

Thanks!

Dynasty has charged me extra when I bring in more then one girl.

Its a great resort on the hill with a nice pool.

But they have jacked me on the extra girls.

[QUOTE=Jelly37]Run Mann, you are quite right about the beautiful women of Pattaya, the 10's. Maybe I've just been fortunate, but most of the service I've recieved from the stunners has been pretty good overall. Not always, but not really disappointed. But the exceptional service has been from the "less-than-stunners", and I agree with you.
But I guess I'm just so shallow... I tend to keep going back to the 10's with their higher prices, pretty good attitude (overall), and still good service. The individual stunners who suck (not in a good way), don't get a second round with me. But those have been the minority.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and another reason why I always prefer ST sessions with a girl you pick up for the first time. Regardless of how you click in the club/bar/MP you never know how they will perform until they get back to your room. Hell, some of them even look differently in your room than they did in the club. After a successful ST session then go LT, just one method to use to cut down on disappointments.

Hey Dude:

That's interesting: Can you confirm that they didn't charge you for ONE girl but they do when you bring an additional spare? If so, how much did they charge you?

I can confirm that the Dynasty Inn Grande in Bangkok does exactly that: not charge for one girl, but charge 500B for the second girl.

So, a fair chance that the Dynasty Resort does that too. It's a fairly common practice in mainstream hotels.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Hey Dude:

That's interesting: Can you confirm that they didn't charge you for ONE girl but they do when you bring an additional spare? If so, how much did they charge you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jelly37]My friend and I would often dismiss each other's claim of "beautiful women", as he also preferred the curvy type, and I definitely leaned towards the thin. But he always found what he was looking for. The curvy types are out there.
[/QUOTE]Hi Jelly37,

Yes I just confirmed that Pattaya has all kind of women for all tastes. I found a gal (Nan) that really fulfills this type. I've been in Rio de Janeiro, Cartegaena and Panama and I can tell you that the body of this lady is well into these countries standards, needles to say, her attitude is great too.

To sum up, Pattaya rocks!

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I have been in Phuket, but never in Pattaya. Is there "joiner fee" at the hotels in Pattaya?

Would you please suggest some hotels, which is close to the action-place and which does not demand "joiner fee"?[/QUOTE]I can recommend the Nova Platinum Hotel ([url]http://www.amari.com/novaplatinum/[/url]). Last night I brought in two girls and nobody in the reception bothered me, they just asked for the girls' IDs.

I had also a very curvy girl in my last stay in Pattaya. Her name was Noi. She was very curvy (very small waist and broad hips). Would say waist were about 22" and hips about 36".
But, one thing she didn't had and that was a bubble butt. Her butt was not flat, but also not a Jennifer Lopez kind of butt. I guess that is very seldom in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Tequila85]Hi Jelly37,

Yes I just confirmed that Pattaya has all kind of women for all tastes. I found a gal (Nan) that really fulfills this type. I've been in Rio de Janeiro, Cartegaena and Panama and I can tell you that the body of this lady is well into these countries standards, needles to say, her attitude is great too.

To sum up, Pattaya rocks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DG69]I had also a very curvy girl in my last stay in Pattaya. Her name was Noi. She was very curvy (very small waist and broad hips). Would say waist were about 22" and hips about 36".

But, one thing she didn't had and that was a bubble butt. Her butt was not flat, but also not a Jennifer Lopez kind of butt. I guess that is very seldom in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. But I guess I just found I a "black swan" down in beach road. Check this out

[QUOTE=Tequila85]Yes, you are right. But I guess I just found I a "black swan" down in beach road. Check this out[/QUOTE]

Wow, well done Tequila. I would do her as well, though I have to say that someone could call her too heavy.
Will say I prefer the ones with the wasp waists. Will say a waists below 24" is nice, especially if she have hips above 36" and nice butt as well. She don't need to have big tits as long as they are firm.
Well, I start dreaming, since such a body you might not find easily even in South America.
But, anyway for a ST the girl on you photo would be a nice change after all the small and flat ass Thai girls.

I am currently in Bangkok since two days and will move to Pattaya in a week or so. Maybe I will first go to Chang Mai and than to Pattaya. Will see.

[QUOTE=Tequila85]Yes, you are right. But I guess I just found I a "black swan" down in beach road. Check this out[/QUOTE]


Fucking nice!. :D:D:D

[QUOTE=Tequila85]I can recommend the Nova Platinum Hotel ([url]http://www.amari.com/novaplatinum/[/url]). Last night I brought in two girls and nobody in the reception bothered me, they just asked for the girls' IDs.[/QUOTE]I stay at the the Dynasty Inn, great location, reasonable rates, no problem with "guests" and a free shuttle from their hotel in Bangkok.I am planning a trip this November or December and will stay there again. A google search will bring up the hotel's site with rates and reservation information.

[QUOTE=Tequila85]Yes, you are right. But I guess I just found I a "black swan" down in beach road. Check this out[/QUOTE]

Nice butt on that girl Mr. T :D

[QUOTE=Run Mann]P4P stunners or 10s are not necessarily going to put forth the effort because as has been said here before these girls are in high demand and prefer to stay in the bars perfecting imbibing. They make more money staying in the bars or doing multiple quickie ST sessions. Some of them think that when you bar fine them, they are doing you a favor. It's true that most of the girls in Pattaya are average lookers but there are stunners if that is what you want. However, it will cost you more and the service may or not equate the price you pay.[/QUOTE]

I agree. A lot of guys are still in to "trophy" P4P girls. What ever floats their boats. I'll take a 5 or 6 with a good attitude anyday over a 9 or 10 "You may adore me now" type :D Many of the 10s have sponsors and don't care to be bar fined anyway.

[QUOTE=Billy Baht]I agree. A lot of guys are still in to "trophy" P4P girls. What ever floats their boats. I'll take a 5 or 6 with a good attitude anyday over a 9 or 10 "You may adore me now" type :D Many of the 10s have sponsors and don't care to be bar fined anyway.[/QUOTE]

Indeed you are blessed. If everybody would be like you than the ugly ones would become the stunners and the stunners would be the unwanted.
You war lucky that you can enjoy average girls which make it easy for you to find your pleasure. Those, like I, whose needs beauty to get a thrill or sexual desire are doomed. But, I can't change that.
I guess those whose like fat girls, or gays, or ladyboys are also blessed. While the stupid mayority whose into model type girls have a hard stand.

... from a few days in Pattaya.

A few specific comments:

1) I'm always surprised the BeerGarden (just ouside Walking Street) is so quiet. It's a great place to sit and have breakfast, check emails (wifi enabled) or do a bit of work. Always very pleasant and friendly staff, but rarely any working girls!

2) I thought AngelWitch had some great shows - not hardcore like some, but actrually quite artistic and erotic. Went there a couple of times to enjoy the pleasant ambiance and it was always quite crowded (but always had room to sit).

3) The Hell Club has re-opened as Devil's Den under the same management and has some lovely girls...

4) I explored further away from Walking Street and was impressed by the quality of girls in the bars behind Second Road (particularly opposite Soi 10 area), and the almost total absence of farangs!

All in all, a very pleasant way to spend a few days, especially as the Pound was creeping up against the Baht.

[QUOTE=Billy Baht]I agree. A lot of guys are still in to "trophy" P4P girls. What ever floats their boats. I'll take a 5 or 6 with a good attitude anyday over a 9 or 10 "You may adore me now" type :D Many of the 10s have sponsors and don't care to be bar fined anyway.[/QUOTE]With me it's all about making a connection. If I find someone I can chat with and have a laugh, then that is fine by me. I also find that figure is more important than face. Having said all that, if you don't mind a bit of strolling around you can always find a 7-8 witha good attitude...

[QUOTE=Mouse1]

I'm always surprised the BeerGarden (just ouside Walking Street) is so quiet. It's a great place to sit and have breakfast, check emails (wifi enabled) or do a bit of work. [/QUOTE]
What you and Thai girls like are completely different things. The beer garden in pattaya will never draw a significant amount of girls because the concept can't work in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What you and Thai girls like are completely different things. The beer garden in pattaya will never draw a significant amount of girls because the concept can't work in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

Would be helpful if you would add, why?

There are enough Freelancer in Pattaya whose could work there, for example the beach road girls. On the other hand side the beach road girls can sit at the beach road for free and in the Beergarden they would need to buy a drink, I guess. Also, from Beach road there is only a short walk to the various short time hotels.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What you and Thai girls like are completely different things. The beer garden in pattaya will never draw a significant amount of girls because the concept can't work in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well of course what I and Thai girls like are completely different, thank heavens. I've never fancied lying on my back being rogered by a fat sweaty farang...

But your second line is a bit dogmatic. Perhaps you would like to elaborate for the sake of simple mortals like myself? Perhaps you have a list of towns where the concept would work and a list of where it wouldn't? Would be very useful...

[QUOTE=DG69]Would be helpful if you would add, why?

There are enough Freelancer in Pattaya whose could work there, for example the beach road girls. On the other hand side the beach road girls can sit at the beach road for free and in the Beergarden they would need to buy a drink, I guess. Also, from Beach road there is only a short walk to the various short time hotels.[/QUOTE]That's what I thought. And I believe there is some voucher scheme whereby girls can get a free drink - there's a notice on the wall but my Thai wasn't really up to it...

Personally I wouldn't take a freelancer from Beach Road because I like to have at least a little bit of conversation (and see the girl in reasonable lighting), whereas I would be very happy to chat to a girl in the BeerGarden to see if things click. But then perhaps I'm unusual in that respect in Pattaya...

The playgirl go-go bar with the shower is probably the best go go bar in Pattaya. My friend and I check out many and we like Playgirl for a combo- girls and drink prices.

It is located off one of those side soi as you are walking down Walking St. There are normally girls stand around with signs listing the bar name at the entrance to each alley.

I checked out Angelwitch, too. Although, I like it I thought the beer prices where high compare to playgirl. 150B here compare to 95B at Playgirl. Quality about the same. Better shows at Angelwitch.

[QUOTE=Billy Baht] A lot of guys are still in to "trophy" P4P girls.[/QUOTE]

I'm guilty of that; going for the stunners. Pay more money. May get good service. I guess I get good service enough times that I keep doing it. I've never had an absolutely horrible experience; some good, some bad. But that's been true with the "less-than-stunners" (admittedly maybe less so). Just pay less for the almost-beautiful.

Hello brethren! This was just a Hello, of sorts to the regulars who banter on this board, and a thank you for the practical advice. I'm going to be in Pattaya this weekend, Saturday-Monday, and would willingly spring for a round or two. Don't worry, I'm not some desperate, clueless noob looking to follow someone around. I'm just content to meet up and shoot the sh! T for a while.

I've been to Thailand several times and yet (amazingly! ) this is my first trip to Pattaya! I'm actually hoping the vibe will be a little different from the scene in BKK, for someone who is more melaninly inclined. I'm Canadian, but of mixed East Indian/African origin. So to Thais I'm labeled a "kek", and it's a completely different story compared to you "farangs". I joke with my white friends when we've travelled together that they legitimize me. With some pretty good results. That being said, I'm not on a sex mission, I'd like to take in the scene sure, but a run on the bars with the boys wouldn't be so bad.

If y'all gentlemen are so disposed, I'm open to suggestions as to time and place to meet. Apologies to Jackson, I let my subscription lapse, been on lockdown for a while here in Korea. But for the viewing public, reports will follow. Thanks again for the accumulated wisdom of these pages.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Personally I wouldn't take a freelancer from Beach Road because I like to have at least a little bit of conversation (and see the girl in reasonable lighting), whereas I would be very happy to chat to a girl in the BeerGarden to see if things click. But then perhaps I'm unusual in that respect in Pattaya...[/QUOTE]

Well, it's possible to see the FL on Beach road in a good light. They start early and the beach road has also good illumination. You can also chat with them while sitting on a bench, but I have to admit, that it can be annoying with all the people walking by. So, it isn't so convinient like the good old beergarden would be.

Hi! I just got back from Pattaya with lots of little stars shining in my eyes.

It's the first time I stayed more than a few days in Pattaya and has ben very impressed.
A lots of girls of any kind in Bars and Discos are available for 1000 THB LT (I usually gave them 200 THB tip), I mean also pretty girls in the 19-21 yo range, which is my target.
As it's low season, it's easy to get 2000 THB LT in most GoGos (probably less is also negotiable as there are so few customers).
It's the first time in my life in Thailand that I got:
100% of pretty girls to my taste (very easy to find,I had hard time choosing)
100% reasonnable LT price in the 1000 (Disco, bars) to 2000 (Go gos) range
100% wet pussies
100% no scam price by TukTuk or other drivers (10 THB with bathbus at any time of day or night).

I used to go to Phuket, and I will never go back there now that I have an in-depth experience of Pattaya

[QUOTE=El Frances]
I used to go to Phuket, and I will never go back there now that I have an in-depth experience of Pattaya[/QUOTE]

i'll second that.

[QUOTE=El Greco]i'll second that.[/QUOTE]I will third that. Been living here 2 years now. There's a constant stream of new girls in everyday. Town is hurting real bad at moment with lack of customers, which makes mongering a lot of fun and gives you the financial edge.

[QUOTE=El Frances]Hi! I just got back from Pattaya with lots of little stars shining in my eyes.

100% no scam price by TukTuk or other drivers (10 THB with bathbus at any time of day or night).

I used to go to Phuket, and I will never go back there now that I have an in-depth experience of Pattaya[/QUOTE]You were scammed. The fare is 5 Baht. It says it on the back of the drivers bulkhead.

Just in jest! I know we farangs pay 10. Why?

Glad you enjoyed Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DG69]Would be helpful if you would add, why?

There are enough Freelancer in Pattaya whose could work there, for example the beach road girls. On the other hand side the beach road girls can sit at the beach road for free and in the Beergarden they would need to buy a drink, I guess. Also, from Beach road there is only a short walk to the various short time hotels.[/QUOTE]
It's simple really. What incentive is there for beach road girls to go there? Why would they give up all that walk by traffic to go sit in a dead bar/restaurant? The Beergarden offers working girls nothing in the way of benefits for them to walk into the establishment. Also, Pattaya is more or less about the nightlife, not the day life. Most working girls don't even wake up until after 4pm.

There concept: "There are no "bar girls", "bar fines" or "lady drinks" at the Pattaya Beer Garden. Independent ladies are welcome to meet foreigners in a non-threatening environment. It's our business to facilitate a pleasant meeting place, not to become involved in your private business" .

There really is no need or demand for a venue like this in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]You were scammed. The fare is 5 Baht. It says it on the back of the drivers bulkhead.

Just in jest! I know we farangs pay 10. Why?

Glad you enjoyed Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

Well, 10 bath from and to Jomtien, even at 4 pm, isn't so bad!

[QUOTE=Woodman2]

Just in jest! I know we farangs pay 10. Why?

[/QUOTE]
Most Thais pay 10 too. Have a look next time!

[QUOTE=Woodman2]You were scammed. The fare is 5 Baht. It says it on the back of the drivers bulkhead.

Just in jest! I know we farangs pay 10. Why?

Glad you enjoyed Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

I was in Pattaya about a month ago. It had been a few years since I had been there so I asked the front desk clerk at my hotel what the fare on the baht bus was. She told me it was 20 baht! I observed everyone paying 10 so that's what I paid for the rest of my stay in Pattaya. It's cheap enough!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Also, Pattaya is more or less about the nightlife, not the day life. Most working girls don't even wake up until after 4pm.[/QUOTE]

You can find beach road girls almost on every time of the day on the beach road. At least it was my experience from last November. Also, in Soi 3 are a bar which opens before noon and has a quite pretty selection for the early bird. Also, there are Soi 6, Soi Post Office and Soi Bukaow which starts during daytime. So, Pattaya offers pretty much, even on daytime.

This is just my personal opinion and observation with what goes on in Thailand and particularly in Pattaya since I also live here like many of you. I feel whatever the reasons for a individual or individuals to open a business like the Pattaya Beergarden get cheap or just don't or forget spending some to market the place after the place open. It seem like most just open the place to show off that they have some money but forget or have no business skill to promote the business. They seem to fall into the same trap as Thai's and that's bad because the completition is tough.

I have been to the Beergarden twice recently. I notice now that they have 2 guys holding signs in the front to advertise the place since it is in the back. I personally believe that although the Beergarden has a nice view the place is too large and spread out! My recent trip just last week found at least a Dozen Freelancers but they were spread out throughout the place which makes it hard to know who is who? I think there was a small bar in the front and a larger one in the middle. Most of the freelancer I could point out many gave me a look but couldn't tell whether I was a Farang looking for pussy or a cheap ass Thai.

As Amjeck, pointed out " What incentive " does a Freelancer on Beach Rd. to come to Beergarden? I look at the size of the Beergarden and the amount of food that they have to buy to support who might come to the place that goes wasted! Bring in the girls and feed them some simple dishes and have some finger food during happy hour. Bring in some pool and foos ball tables and get a large screen T.V. for sports programs around the world. You got to spend some money to make money and if you open the place like this and don't or can't spend the money instead of pouring down the drain then I suggest that you just don't open! There is a need and place like the Beergarden in Pattaya it's just this place is too large and spread out! I hope the owners see and read this! And if you need help just drop me a PM, I sure the others ISG members living here in Pattaya can help you guys out if you allow us to put our heads together!

LBM

[QUOTE=DG69]You can find beach road girls almost on every time of the day on the beach road. At least it was my experience from last November. Also, in Soi 3 are a bar which opens before noon and has a quite pretty selection for the early bird. Also, there are Soi 6, Soi Post Office and Soi Bukaow which starts during daytime. So, Pattaya offers pretty much, even on daytime.[/QUOTE]

Beach road girls(dregs imo) only make up a small amount of the freelancers in Pattaya. Most freelancers are out at night because that is where the money is.

The other bars you mention above all pay the girls (not freelancers) a wage to be there.

[QUOTE=D Cups]Can you guys recommend a place in Pattya to find busty Thais? C Cup minimum, please. I don't care if they're bolted on or not. I'm planning a trip in March 2010. Gotta have the boobs, man! Much obliged![/QUOTE]Howdy, d-cups. Looks like we have something in common here and glad to help out a fellow admirer of a voluptuous pair of tits. As you walk from beach rd. Toward second road about a third of the way down there is a rather nondescript bar with some tables out front and ac inside with rooms upstairs for coocheecoochee. I ran into a double d heifer I had seen and had to my hotel the year before from another club on soi 6. Sorry, forgot to mention that we are adventuring on Soi 6 which provides a variety of pleasures for sex adventurers during the day. The gal's name is "Oh" and you will say OH when you admire her front. She will not appeal to those who have been indoctrinated by American culture-ad photos, beauty contests, etc., etc. To believe that only emaciated, recently releasees from concentration camps looking types make for inherently attractive type. Oh is what I refer to as a "sport". She is willing to try almost anything in an attempt to please. She is on the pudgy side with a cute giggle. Unlike the go-go girls who often think their shit doesn't smell. Is eager to please and just fun to be with. She enjoyed dancing on the bed (with appropriate coaching from yours truly) and providing preparatory dick massages with a good cream she always brought along. Can well remember waking up to her licking my nipples and massaging old Hubert preparatory to the ensuing hour of romping in the hay. Oh was never eager to leave in the morning, frequently staying until elevenish when she had to get ready to report for work at 12. I miss sucking on her big succulent melons each morning upon awakening. Am coming to Pattaya in November and will definitely seek her out. If she is not in aforementioned bar she will probably be elsewhere along Soi 6. Will be looking forward to a report on this page if you do find her. Anybody else out there ever run into her and/or her to your nest? By the way her bar charges 1000 baht for her to leave early, but I never paid this I gave her 500 for an early release with her reporting for duty at my hotel around 8:30. Ran into two other big-titted gals in Angeles City as well.

Arkyboy

[QUOTE=Amjeck]It's simple really. What incentive is there for beach road girls to go there? Why would they give up all that walk by traffic to go sit in a dead bar/restaurant? [/QUOTE]Well that's my point really, it is walk-by traffic, not stop and chat traffic...

I would not pick up a girl without having had a conversation with her, and I'm not willing to do that crouched on a concrete bench on Beach Road. Conversely I would be happy to sit in the BeerGarden and chat to any girls with a drink in my hand, but as you say it is relatively dead. So it's a vicious circle: few punters -> few girls -> fewer punters -> no girls... I agree with LBM that a little effective marketing would bring in the girls and reverse the cycle. Pattaya is crowded with girls, there must be a few who would rather sit in a pleasant environment and mingle with prospective customers, in the same way it works in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Most Thais pay 10 too. Have a look next time![/QUOTE]I think you will find that Thais travelling alone or with other Thais will pay only 5 Baht. A Thai lady travelling with a farang would be expected to pay 10 Baht because by default the farang would be paying for her.

Anyway, the comment was made tongue in cheek as I aknowledged. 10 Baht from South Pattaya Road to Big C is a bargain in anybodies language.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Most Thais pay 10 too. Have a look next time! [/QUOTE]I think you will find that Thais travelling alone or with other Thais will pay only 5 Baht. A Thai lady travelling with a farang would be expected to pay 10 Baht because by default the farang would be paying for her.

Anyway, the comment was made tongue in cheek as I aknowledged. 10 Baht from South Pattaya Road to Big C is a bargain in anybodies language.

I will look for myself in 14 days time and I'm chomping at the bit. Visit # 24.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]Anyway, the comment was made tongue in cheek as I aknowledged. 10 Baht from South Pattaya Road to Big C is a bargain in anybodies language.[/QUOTE]

I was there for 3 weeks in March staying at the Nova Platinum which is south of South Pattaya Road, and I took the baht bus to Big C nearly every day. Each time when I exited I paid 10 baht and had no problems except once with a lady driver.

As I got off the bus I handed her the usual 10 baht and she started screaming that the fare was 20 baht because of the heavy traffic. I really didn't understand what she was saying, but one of the other passengers translated for me. The driver was really making a scene in the middle of the street, and wasn't going to move her bus with the other passengers on board until I paid up. Rather than participate in a screaming match I handed her an additional 10 baht.

She pointed to the sign in the back of the bus, but unfortunately my comprehension of written Thai is nit noi, and I have no idea of what it said. Anyone here know the rules?

[QUOTE=David 2]I was there for 3 weeks in March staying at the Nova Platinum which is south of South Pattaya Road, and I took the baht bus to Big C nearly every day. Each time when I exited I paid 10 baht and had no problems except once with a lady driver.

As I got off the bus I handed her the usual 10 baht and she started screaming that the fare was 20 baht because of the heavy traffic. I really didn't understand what she was saying, but one of the other passengers translated for me. The driver was really making a scene in the middle of the street, and wasn't going to move her bus with the other passengers on board until I paid up. Rather than participate in a screaming match I handed her an additional 10 baht.

She pointed to the sign in the back of the bus, but unfortunately my comprehension of written Thai is nit noi, and I have no idea of what it said. Anyone here know the rules?[/QUOTE]If they have the official one, then tere should be a sign saying its 10 Baht for a ride. But most took it down I guess. Its only 10 Baht, but its cheating a factor of two as well to the visitors. Give them 10.

The only time I give them 20 if they are ok drivers is if I go from beach road soi something all the way to Jomtien. Normally you would have to change close to walking street and then it would be 20 as well for 2 rides.

I have a bad sense of direction and I'm not good with public transport, so I mainly took scooter-taxis around the place - 40Baht (unless it was a girl I just picked up at walking Street - then it was a free ride on her scooter back to Nova Platinum, occasionally squeezed between two girls on the scooter - good fun). Damn cheap and not as scary as it looks. [QUOTE=David 2]I was there for 3 weeks in March staying at the Nova Platinum which is south of South Pattaya Road, and I took the baht bus to Big C nearly every day. Each time when I exited I paid 10 baht and had no problems except once with a lady driver.

As I got off the bus I handed her the usual 10 baht and she started screaming that the fare was 20 baht because of the heavy traffic. I really didn't understand what she was saying, but one of the other passengers translated for me. The driver was really making a scene in the middle of the street, and wasn't going to move her bus with the other passengers on board until I paid up. Rather than participate in a screaming match I handed her an additional 10 baht.

She pointed to the sign in the back of the bus, but unfortunately my comprehension of written Thai is nit noi, and I have no idea of what it said. Anyone here know the rules?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David 2]I was there for 3 weeks in March staying at the Nova Platinum which is south of South Pattaya Road, and I took the baht bus to Big C nearly every day. Each time when I exited I paid 10 baht and had no problems except once with a lady driver.

As I got off the bus I handed her the usual 10 baht and she started screaming that the fare was 20 baht because of the heavy traffic. I really didn't understand what she was saying, but one of the other passengers translated for me. The driver was really making a scene in the middle of the street, and wasn't going to move her bus with the other passengers on board until I paid up. Rather than participate in a screaming match I handed her an additional 10 baht.

She pointed to the sign in the back of the bus, but unfortunately my comprehension of written Thai is nit noi, and I have no idea of what it said. Anyone here know the rules?[/QUOTE]David 2,

I always pay 10 bht for short trip but one time it was 1 am the bus was empty driver ask for 20bht, I don't want to argue on 10 bht so I just pay him again, it been 10 bht for over 12 yr with gas price is so high now 20 bht is not a big deal.

Fast Eddie 48

The police are at it again on Beach Road:

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/june/news_11_06_52_4.shtml[/url]

It's a shame.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]The police are at it again on Beach Road:

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/june/news_11_06_52_4.shtml[/url]

It's a shame.[/QUOTE]Not really, it's just trickle-down economics. Ronnie would be proud!

Pattaya Baht bus fare is like this -

Jomtien to the intersection of Dtai and 2nd Road is 10B.

There to the dolphins (or places in between like Big C) is 10B. North of dolphins is another 10B out to the market - so let's say Jomtien to Naklua market = 30B

Up either intersection 2nd Dtai (south road), 2nd Klong (central), 2nd Nua (north) to Suk is 10B.

Never been to the darkside (other side of Suk) so I can't say anything about that.

It hasn't been 5B for anyone since about July 2008 when the gas prices went outa sight. C'mon people - I SPILL THAT MUCH AT HOME - what's the value haggling over a lousy 60 CENTS US (20B) (the exercise in currency conversion to other than $$US is left to the reader)

I know this topic has been debated but if anyone is interested in taking private Thai language lesson in the Pattaya Tai, area near the Big C, off Sukhumvit give me a PM. I just trying to drum up some business for my teacher.

Thanks, LBM

Ah! Finally in Thailand, and now with wifi-access so I can have access to the bible that ISG is ;)

Having spent some days in Bangkok to begin with, I headed over to SoL(among other places) for some dirty exercise with two girls...and I have to say that the place appealed to me - or well, the concept.

My question is if there is any simillar place in Pattaya with more open spaces where one can enjoy all sorts of nasty things while satisfying any voyeur / exhibitionistic kinks one might have?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]I know this topic has been debated but if anyone is interested in taking private Thai language lesson in the Pattaya Tai, area near the Big C, off Sukhumvit give me a PM. I just trying to drum up some business for my teacher.

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]
Same thing here, but it's in a small group 3 or 4 students per teacher, it's FREE. If your in San Diego send me a PM and I will hook you up, the classes are on Sunday afternoons.

RG.

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]My question is if there is any simillar place in Pattaya with more open spaces where one can enjoy all sorts of nasty things while satisfying any voyeur / exhibitionistic kinks one might have?[/QUOTE]

Girl in Soi 6 was jacking me off (stopping short of completion) for an hour while I'm groping her thoroughly. This is downstairs in the bar, it was the couch by the door too.

Lick bar in Soi 6 you sometimes have the spectacle of 3 or 4 heads bobbing over crotches on the neighbouring couches while relaxing with a cutie on your lap.

No extra charges for any of this, beyond buying a lady drink. (Well obviously if you want a bobbing head too it's 700 if I remember right.)

At Silver Star A Go Go in Soi 7 can take turns (with other customers and the other showgirl) eating pussy if you're not squeamish.

I think Bloodstock refers to " open space " meaning beaches or countrysides where he can eat and fuck pussy without being disturbed or watching someone else do it.. Voyeur / exhibitionistic!

LBM

Rocksoff and LBM. You are actually both on spot. I was referring to more like a club / bar / whatever, but wouldn't mind finding a place like LBM spoke of either.

I'll go check some of those places out later. Am staying in a nearby soi, so. Quite close!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]I think Bloodstock refers to " open space " meaning beaches or countrysides[/QUOTE]

Star of Light is on a beach?

Lately I've found the Beach Rd scene to be shut down often - no girls, lots of cops. The few girls I have run into have told me the roundups have started up again on a big scale. I saw something on TV about it as well.

I don't know if any of you remember those months a couple of years ago when there wasn't a girl on the beach most of the time, but perhaps we were too complacent about things loosening up since then. The other night I walked down the beach and there wasn't a single female - just a few gangs of young male thugs lurking around. So much safer for the tourist!

On a related note the town is utterly dead.

Hi

The recent conversation about Beergarden has me wondering where the freelancers in Pattaya hang out now that the Beach Road seems to shut down. Beergarden in Bangkok is a big favourite of mine and I much prefer the vibe from freelancers in discos, bars etc than go-gos.

Any suggestions appreciated.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Lately I've found the Beach Rd scene to be shut down often - no girls, lots of cops. The few girls I have run into have told me the roundups have started up again on a big scale. I saw something on TV about it as well.

I don't know if any of you remember those months a couple of years ago when there wasn't a girl on the beach most of the time, but perhaps we were too complacent about things loosening up since then. The other night I walked down the beach and there wasn't a single female - just a few gangs of young male thugs lurking around. So much safer for the tourist!

On a related note the town is utterly dead.[/QUOTE]Just a thought. Could the bar and gogo owners be encouraging the crackdown to drive customers into their establishments?

[QUOTE=Artful]...The recent conversation about Beergarden has me wondering where the freelancers in Pattaya hang out now that the Beach Road seems to shut down..[/QUOTE]

I should clarify that its not as bad as it was a couple of years ago - yet. The girls are just limited to certain times of day when the cops aren't out, and must be ready to run away at any moment.

The other night when there were no girls on the beach, I looked on Walking Street to see if any of them went there - but no, I didn't see more than half a dozen girls who looked like freelancers there, and none of the beach road type. I remember last time even when the Beach really was shut down tight, I never saw those girls in Walking Street. It was like they just disappeared (perhaps many or most of them were in jail for a few months).

I don't think its all that likely we'll see a Beergarden style establishment take the place of the Beach, since for example the Beergarden in Bangkok only ever has a few girls in it. The Beach used to have hundreds in its hayday.

Where precisely on the Beach rd do the girls hang out? Just had a read, minutes after release the girls returned to work Beach rd and recoupe lost wages:D

[QUOTE=Noddy]Where precisely on the Beach rd do the girls hang out? Just had a read, minutes after release the girls returned to work Beach rd and recoupe lost wages:D[/QUOTE]

Basically the whole length of Beach Road from Walking Street to Pattaya Klang Road, and beyond.

I might add that you can usually find girls there 24 hours a day.

I know that Pete the owner of the Pattaya Beer Garden is pro-active in his attempts to get freelancers into his bar.

When he first opened he offered them free food in the form of a walk up Som Tam prep area. When that didn't work he tried giving them a lottery ticket with cash prizes for attending. He has also remodeled the bar so the freelancers that turned up had their own meeting ares so there was no confussion as to who was who.

It still hasn't dragged the girls in although the bar on it's own seems to be thriving. Cheap beer and decent food seems to outweigh the lack of girls. All in all PBG is a good bar.

You've got to admire Petes tenacity with the freelancer concept. He tred it at the FLB and it failed but for a time left a pretty good bar as I think will happen with the PBG.

As for any lock down on Beach Road, that will be like any other Police initiative in Pattaya ie short lived. Remember them cleaning up Soi 6 a few months back. Zero effect 1 week on.

If there are no freelancers on the beach during the day then just look in the RGP or the Avenue or Tops they will be there. On a night they will be in the Best Friends or Siren or Simon complexes. Many beer bars have freelancers in their bars.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Basically the whole length of Beach Road from Walking Street to Pattaya Klang Road, and beyond.

I might add that you can usually find girls there 24 hours a day.[/QUOTE]

Alas not late at night the last couple of nights. No more than half a dozen girls out after the sweeps, hiding in the PS Guesthouse area. And some ladyboys of course. But one thing's for sure, in these sweeps times anything desirable runs away in fear, leaving only the absolute worst (most desperate).

It is very sad as Pattaya isn't much good without this scene.

I took the trouble to sit and observe one of the round-ups the other night. There were a great many police on motorbikes going both ways on the beach promenade, as well as going the 'legal' way on the actual beach road, accompanied by police trucks and paddy wagons. These were almost all 'real' police - the brown shirted thugs rather than the black shirted thugs.

During this particular sweep they caught very few girls as there were almost none on the beach - it was about 1:00 AM and had apparently been preceeded by many sweeps earlier in the evening. Girls I talked to and other locations reported that the sweeps began somewhere between 10:00 and 11:00, and continued till dawn.

These same girls reported that they had been forced to pay at times the 'legal' amount - which is just 100 baht - while at other times they had been required to pay 500 or 1,000. They did not understand why the amounts differed. Other girls reported that the police simply took whatever they had on them and kicked them loose without taking them to the station. All the girls seemed very fearful and shaken, and said that a few months in jail was a very real possibility for them.

After observing these dismaying events I repaired to Walking Street to see if anything had materialized there, but as usual there were no freelancers there, other than ladyboys.

See if the Beergarden owners had any fucking brains they would take care of this freelancer since the place is right there and out of sight of all the tourist on beach road. The city official and police are doing sweep most likely because they are now so many of them and it is becoming unsightly for the tourist. Plus those crazy ladyboys that are causing so many problems that you see on T.V. each night is screwing up things for everyone.

In the end, we think these girls are freelancers they do have pimps from time to time. This time it's the police! Round them up and take what they can get that just extra money for them after their shift it Chang Beer time. You stay long enough and once a week you see a guy come into a bar or snooker place that look like a cop in plain clothes and get his protection money! It's sad situation like whenever school tuition is to pay. The cops are out in force stopping everyone for not wearing their helmets.

LBM

What's the current year you have to check on a Beach Rd. FL's ID to be legal? Thanks.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Plus those crazy ladyboys that are causing so many problems that you see on T.V. each night is screwing up things for everyone.
[/QUOTE]

Its hardly fair to blame those transgendered gentlemen, LBM. They're just there providing a service to people that want it.

Regarding the police actions I shall not waste the reader's time with any social theory, but instead just relate observations. The sweeps begin promptly at 9:00PM, but the girls don't seem to take them deadly serious until 11:00. So basically lots of girls, including some good looking ones out before nine, then a few substandard ones braving it out from 9 to 11, and then virtually no girls from 11 onwards. On either side of the beach road.

Some girls who seem fairly level headed and speak English well reported it to me this way - initially this program started a couple weeks ago with the usual 100 baht fines, then a few days later they were raised to 500, and then 1,000, and as of today they were publicized as 2,000 baht. Of course most girls paid the 100-500 baht fines, but the 1,000-2,000 baht ones mean jail time because most girls don't have access to that much. The girls told me that the police explained to them that the fines translated into 200 baht per day, so at present 10 days in jail for anyone under suspicion of prostitution. These same girls reported to me that this crusade is a pet project of 'the big boss' - presumably meaning the 'mayor' or whatever equivalent they have here.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]What's the current year you have to check on a Beach Rd. FL's ID to be legal? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Hah, dude, if you can find any girl on the Beach that doesn't look at least 30+ and haggard, my hats off to you! Have you ever seen this venue?

Hah, dude, if you can find any girl on the Beach that doesn't look at least 30+ and haggard, my hats off to you! Have you ever seen this venue?[/QUOTE

Hey, that's funny, actually I've seen the scene a few years back, and wasn't impressed at all, agreeing with your assessment. But after so many upbeat ISG reports lately about Beach Rd. being transformed into some kind of runway for "LOS' Search for the Next Super Star" I was honestly confused. Thanks for bringing everything back into perspective.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]As for any lock down on Beach Road, that will be like any other Police initiative in Pattaya ie short lived. Remember them cleaning up Soi 6 a few months back. Zero effect 1 week on.[/quote]

I'm not so blase, Woodman - a couple of years ago they managed to shut the Beach scene down tight for many months. If I remember rightly it was roughly a full year. And for a long time after that it was still just dribs and drabs. Even in the recent period of non-harassment we've never gotten up to the numbers and quality like it was in the hayday of say 2000-2004.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]If there are no freelancers on the beach during the day then just look in the RGP or the Avenue or Tops they will be there. On a night they will be in the Best Friends or Siren or Simon complexes. Many beer bars have freelancers in their bars.[/QUOTE]

What's RGP? Or the Avenue? And do you mean Tops supermarket? They'll be in the supermarket? Somehow I'm skeptical. By the way the girls specified that they would get busted also on Walking street, Second road, or anywhere else they were found to be selling sex.

I'm also unfamiliar with Best Friends, Siren, and Simon, but are they discos? Its interesting but I have almost never seen a Beach road girl in any other venue - its like different groups inhabit discos, etc. (And I've never liked the disco type of freelancer).

[QUOTE=Opebo]I'm not so blase, Woodman - a couple of years ago they managed to shut the Beach scene down tight for many months. [/QUOTE]

I can't imagine that the dozens of hotels and hundreds of bars and other businesses along Pattaya Beach Road are pleased with this crackdown. It's the working girls who bring the tourists there to fill up the hotels and patronize the bars and shops. The surest way to turn Pattaya into a ghost town is to chase away the FL's on the beach.

[QUOTE=Opebo]What's RGP? Or the Avenue? And do you mean Tops supermarket?...I'm also unfamiliar with Best Friends, Siren, and Simon, but are they discos?...[/QUOTE]
RGP is Royal Garden Plaza; the Avenue is a high end shopping mall on Second Road opposite Soi 13/1; Tops is indeed the supermarket at the corner of Second Road and Pattaya Klang; Simon is a beer bar complex on Walking Street across from Tony's disco; and I believe that Best Friends and Siren are also beer bar complexes.

I've seen a few, but not many, FL's plying their trade at these locations.

Opebo,

That's funny! LB do provide a service but a few come on too strong and can't take no for a answer gives the others a bad name.


next time ask the girls who the mayor really is? Who is his father? When he ran for election to be mayor everyone including the fish knew he was going to win. He has a vision and right now it's to turn Pattaya into a tourist destination for families so too many freelancers on beach rd. doesn't fit into his vision. Not only that he's waiting for the big payoff to allow the first Gambling casino in Jomtien Beach ( Thailand ) he already got money approve to fix the harbor for luxury liners to dock in the future. What a Monte Carlos in Thailand. Now the Mayor is a good guy has to be he went to school in San Francisco, Golden Gate College my hometown. But his dad who is the godfather isn't going to allow him to close the the family busy just because he has a vision. Sorry Uncle..you understand Farang have big mouth.

As noted, the Avenue, is across from 13/1 just up front beach rd. it is a high end mall but has a open circle courtyard so the girls hang there until the sweep is over.

LBM

Last night Walking Street seemed to be full of freelancers, well into the night. I didn't go onto Beach Road, but even at 4 in the morning there were still some women waiting around.

Anyone travelling alone and up for a round or two, or a tour of the bars?

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[QUOTE=Opebo]What's RGP? Or the Avenue? And do you mean Tops supermarket? They'll be in the supermarket? Somehow I'm skeptical. By the way the girls specified that they would get busted also on Walking street, Second road, or anywhere else they were found to be selling sex.

I'm also unfamiliar with Best Friends, Siren, and Simon, but are they discos? Its interesting but I have almost never seen a Beach road girl in any other venue - its like different groups inhabit discos, etc. (And I've never liked the disco type of freelancer).[/QUOTE]As said, RGP is the Royal Garden Plaza. If you want younger freelancers just look at the girls hanging about over the balconys on level 2 and 3. They usually hang about on the Beach opposite the main entrance and outside McDonalds and Burger King but will head indoors if the weather or the BIB force them to. The older freelancers walk the mall window shopping.

The Avenue is a shopping area on #2 road. It has girls that hang about outside Starbucks and McDonalds.

Tops is the supermarket at Klang and #2. Head for the food court for the working girls in there.

Best Friends is a complex of 15+ bars just south of the RGP inland side of Beach Road. Simon is indeed opposite Mikes disco. It is another complex of bars. Siren is the complex of bars outside The Pattaya Beer Garden. You have to walk down the side of the complex to get into the PBG.

That may be one of the reasons that the freelancers are not using the bar. They have to run the gauntlet of the girls in the beer bars in the Siren. There is a lot of hostility towards the freelancers from the girls who think they are loosing their customers to the girls using Petes bar.

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]Wow, that is a high recommendation. Sort of like Thaksin (allegedly) graduating from Sam Houston State College in Huntsville, Texas. Can't anybody in this freakin' country get into a decent university?[/QUOTE]Where have you been? Golden Gate College is one of our country's best institutions of higher learning,almost as well-reputed as my alma mater,UCLA.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I can't imagine that the dozens of hotels and hundreds of bars and other businesses along Pattaya Beach Road are pleased with this crackdown.[/quote]

Really? I think they're highly pleased as the freelancers 'pester' the tourists, and make Pattaya a poor destination for the 'family' tourist. But seriously I do think everyone despises the freelancers - especially bars as they want to pimp out their own girls instead.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I've seen a few, but not many, FL's plying their trade at these locations.[/QUOTE]

Yeah in practice they can't operate in the malls and such anymore as security throws them out and/or the cops arrest them. Policing is way more serious as time goes by. I never see any girls in front of Royal Garden, for ages now.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...He has a vision and right now it's to turn Pattaya into a tourist destination for families...

As noted, the Avenue, is across from 13/1 just up front beach rd. it is a high end mall but has a open circle courtyard so the girls hang there until the sweep is over.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the mayor has the same vision that everyone has had for Pattaya for ten years now. As for the Avenue, why would that venue allow prostitutes to hang out there? They have security, and in any case the cops will definitely come and arrest them if they go there. The girls told me the cops arrest them on second road, beach road, and walking street.

This girl works or did work between soi 7 and 8. From second road head down soi 8 and take the first right. she work the corner bar on the right.

I.ve not done her but my friend did. dont think it went too well! but i got on alright with her. She has been there for a couple of years. bar fine was 450 bth. think she wanted 1500 ST.

[QUOTE=Arkyboy]Howdy, d-cups. Looks like we have something in common here and glad to help out a fellow admirer of a voluptuous pair of tits. As you walk from beach rd. Toward second road about a third of the way down there is a rather nondescript bar with some tables out front and ac inside with rooms upstairs for coocheecoochee. I ran into a double d heifer I had seen and had to my hotel the year before from another club on soi 6. Sorry, forgot to mention that we are adventuring on Soi 6 which provides a variety of pleasures for sex adventurers during the day. The gal's name is "Oh" and you will say OH when you admire her front. She will not appeal to those who have been indoctrinated by American culture-ad photos, beauty contests, etc., etc. To believe that only emaciated, recently releasees from concentration camps looking types make for inherently attractive type. Oh is what I refer to as a "sport". She is willing to try almost anything in an attempt to please. She is on the pudgy side with a cute giggle. Unlike the go-go girls who often think their shit doesn't smell. Is eager to please and just fun to be with. She enjoyed dancing on the bed (with appropriate coaching from yours truly) and providing preparatory dick massages with a good cream she always brought along. Can well remember waking up to her licking my nipples and massaging old Hubert preparatory to the ensuing hour of romping in the hay. Oh was never eager to leave in the morning, frequently staying until elevenish when she had to get ready to report for work at 12. I miss sucking on her big succulent melons each morning upon awakening. Am coming to Pattaya in November and will definitely seek her out. If she is not in aforementioned bar she will probably be elsewhere along Soi 6. Will be looking forward to a report on this page if you do find her. Anybody else out there ever run into her and/or her to your nest? By the way her bar charges 1000 baht for her to leave early, but I never paid this I gave her 500 for an early release with her reporting for duty at my hotel around 8:30. Ran into two other big-titted gals in Angeles City as well.

Arkyboy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Opebo]Really? I think they're highly pleased as the freelancers 'pester' the tourists, and make Pattaya a poor destination for the 'family' tourist. But seriously I do think everyone despises the freelancers - especially bars as they want to pimp out their own girls instead...[/QUOTE]
Well, if you are right, we can all say goodbye to the FL scene on Beach Road, and those businesses can say goodbye to the tourists. They should be careful of what they wish for.

Pattaya is not a 'family' destination -- Jomtien, maybe, but not Pattaya.

Has anybody used this service? Reliable experience?

How is the nightlife on soi 8 and soi 6 after Beach Rd crackdown?

Is still the same?

[QUOTE=Bold Focker]This girl works or did work between soi 7 and 8. From second road head down soi 8 and take the first right. she work the corner bar on the right.

I.ve not done her but my friend did. dont think it went too well! but i got on alright with her. She has been there for a couple of years. bar fine was 450 bth. think she wanted 1500 ST.[/QUOTE]
Hummm... 1950 baht ST seems a bit expensive for an over the hill beer bar bimbo with a #5 face, fake tits, and a bad attitude, but to each his own.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116358[/url]

(Unrelated gratutious thought): There have never been many #10's on this planet, but it's a sure thing that EVERY woman on earth, provided she lives long enough, will become a #1. :)

[QUOTE=Daddy07]

(Unrelated gratutious thought): There have never been many #10's on this planet, but it's a sure thing that EVERY woman on earth, provided she lives long enough, will become a #1. :)[/QUOTE]
Absolutely brilliant!

And after they pass the age of 23 their rating drops by 2 points. Old is ugly!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Absolutely brilliant!

And after they pass the age of 23 their rating drops by 2 points. Old is ugly![/QUOTE]
Thank God we all remain just as handsome as we were in our prime ;)

[QUOTE=Noman2]How is the nightlife on soi 8 and soi 6 after Beach Rd crackdown?

Is still the same?[/QUOTE]

Just arrived in Pattaya, had a walk along the beach road and the new shopping mall.
Shopping mall is stunning, but low business.
Beach Road is packed with working girls. Though majority is east of that what I like. But, a few gems are also there.
Soi 6 is packed with girls. Never saw so much girls in Soi 6 and beach road.

[QUOTE=Jak]Has anybody used this service? Reliable experience?[/QUOTE]
I've used them 4 times in the past 9 months, and they're just great. Very reliable...their driver waits for you at the airport with a sign, and you're in Pattaya an hour and a half later. Also had them pick me up at my hotel in Pattaya when I left, and they were always on time or early. None of the drivers I had spoke any English, but that wasn't a problem for me. I just pointed to the departure sign of my airline. I highly recommend. Cost is 1100 Baht, and they always seem to be pleased with a 100 Baht tip.

[QUOTE=Jak]Has anybody used this service? Reliable experience?[/QUOTE]
1100(including toll) from airport to Pat is pretty good price. I just got a taxi from nana area to pattaya for 1000. Bargain hard guys! Thais are hurting a bit at the moment.

[QUOTE=Ilandman]Last night Walking Street seemed to be full of freelancers, well into the night. [/QUOTE]
Yep business as usual and no shortage of johns either. Good meat is still getting grabbed early and most gogo girls are still trying for 1500 ST. Only thing that will kill the market here is another airport closure. Amazing how the strong baht, bad world economy, and swine flu doesn't effect the sex trade!

[QUOTE=D Cups]Arkyboy, what a great find! I am putting you in for the Annual Big Boob Bangers Award! I'll check in with you after your November trip because I'm going to Bangkok and Pattya in March 2010.

Tell us more about these Angleles City finds, too, please, in that thread. Much obliged![/QUOTE]D-cups, could not tell if you actually found her (Oh) or you were looking forward to her with anticipation. Please let me know if you found her along with as much elaboration as you care to write. Glad my communique worked. Arkyboy

Amjeck and David 2,

Thanks for the support on a newbie question. A little question like this is a big question when you're going somewhere new. I always like to feel secure to and from an airport wherever I'm traveling. After 24 hours of traveling, I'm sure it will feel good to see my name on a sign with some reliable references.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Yep business as usual and no shortage of johns either. Good meat is still getting grabbed early and most gogo girls are still trying for 1500 ST. Only thing that will kill the market here is another airport closure. Amazing how the strong baht, bad world economy, and swine flu doesn't effect the sex trade![/QUOTE]

Indeed I got the same impression yesterday. The Bars and walking street were full, as well as the after hour discos.
What I didn't saw was the big groups of Chinese package tourists which one could see in former times quite often, walking up and down walking street.
But, it's true the bars were not as crowded like in last November, but also the number of girls in the bars, especially the stunners is lower than last November.
Though the numbers of Freelancer seems still quite high. So, that's my usual hunting ground and the after hour discos are still great places to hunt, imho.

[QUOTE=DG69]
What I didn't saw was the big groups of Chinese package tourists which one could see in former times quite often, walking up and down walking street.
.......especially the stunners is lower than last November.
[/QUOTE]
Looks like the chinese have been replaced by the Arabs.

Yes, far less stunners.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Looks like the chinese have been replaced by the Arabs.

Yes, far less stunners.[/QUOTE]

I guess the stunners went to greener hunting grounds. Maybe HK, Singapore, Japan, Korea, VAE, other Gulf Staats, etc.

Clubs which were in November top, like Peppermind, Happy, Heavens Above, Living Dolls Agogo disappoint now regarding stunning chicks.
Good places are now Air Port Agogo, What's Up and of course Insomnia Disco.

But, also Beach Road and Soi 6 are full of chicks.

So, all in all I like Pattaya at the moment. Stunners can be find at afterhours Discos. Had yesterday one from Insomnia. She has a sponsors but he pay not enough and so she still goes working. Most likely she still goes working even when she got enough money from her Sponsor. Though a Thai /Isaan girl will in the most cases spend the money she has immediatly and needs a constant flow of money.;-)

"But, also Beach Road and Soi 6 are full of chicks."
What about soi 8?

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan]"But, also Beach Road and Soi 6 are full of chicks."
What about soi 8?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't there, but I will try to be there tomorrow. Now I will go, already late to Soi LK Metro.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Hah, dude, if you can find any girl on the Beach that doesn't look at least 30+ and haggard, my hats off to you! Have you ever seen this venue?[/QUOTE]

Every time I read a post on this forum and others from someone telling about the cutie/hottie/stunner he went with on BR for 500 baht, I immediately put them in a category of not trusting their taste and definitely questioning their sanity! I have walked up BR probably 100 times over the past 2 years and never - and I mean never - seen a girl that I would remotely consider going with. But then look at the guys on BR who are hitting on the girls and you realize that they are even worse.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]1100(including toll) from airport to Pat is pretty good price. I just got a taxi from nana area to pattaya for 1000. Bargain hard guys! Thais are hurting a bit at the moment.[/QUOTE]I think you can get a car from the airport to Pattaya for 1000Bht without bartering. I did, although realised later that it was just some bloke with a car who was driving back home anyway... Probably not a smart thing to do in hindsight.

NEP to Pattaya for 1000Bht sounds like a good price.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]...I have walked up BR probably 100 times over the past 2 years and never - and I mean never - seen a girl that I would remotely consider going with. But then look at the guys on BR who are hitting on the girls and you realize that they are even worse.[/QUOTE]

Hah, its funny - my derogatory comment about those girls looks most certainly did not mean I eschew their services!

Anyway, the girls in the bars and even some go-gos aren't that much better. Pattaya's just generally not the town for looks. Service, yes, but not looks.

[QUOTE=DG69]
Good places are now Air Port Agogo, What's Up and of course Insomnia Disco.

[/QUOTE]
Airport is a fun club with good energy, but the girls are asking way too much; 2000 ST. When a pattaya girl quotes a price like this to a local like me, I take it as an insult. It's Pattaya not BKK. I've never heard prices like this quoted from any girl anywhere in Pattaya until the beginning of 2008. Things have changed a lot in Pattaya, unfortunately. There are still bargains to be had, but it's requires a bit more effort than before.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Hah, its funny - my derogatory comment about those girls looks most certainly did not mean I eschew their services!

Anyway, the girls in the bars and even some go-gos aren't that much better. Pattaya's just generally not the town for looks. Service, yes, but not looks.[/QUOTE]

Indeed much shadow and not much light, but that makes the hunt interesting. I admit that I had one or two times a beach road girl. Well, I would really not rate them over 7/10. And 90 % of the women there are below 5/10.
Ok, some update about beach road. At dusk is the best time, after 21 o'clock the beach road is almost empty. Seems that the girls leave the area after it gets dark. Saw some on the side streets, walking street and in front of Royal Garden Plasa.
Saw also some young girls who are not too bad, but of course no stunner at all.
Better looking girls are difficult to find even in the Gogos. 95% of the girls there are below 7/10. The best looking creatures are the Russian female tourists (not the CIS/Middle Eastern Hookers) and the ladyboys. I have no prejudice against LB, but to sleep with a "girl" who still has a dick, or had a dick is for me a no go.
Nevertheless one can have big fun in Pattaya. About 99% of the girls are aproachable are even they make the first step. So, it's a big Ego boost, well some should know that the money and not the look is the reason, but nevertheless.
Today I had a very interesting night. Saw a really nice girl in Papagalo in Soi LK Metro. She a Service girl I found her very sexy. Just I didn't want to pay the 1000 Bhat Barfine and so I got her telefon Number and will have her for a short time tomorrow noon.
In Insomnia Disco I met a bunch of black girls from Madagascar. It's strange they come now to Thailand to work.... In walking street I met an black Brazilian Hooker. At least she told that she is from Brazil. Also, very much CIS woman (guess from Usbecistan or Kachastan).
So, WS becomes really international.

[QUOTE=DG69]

In Insomnia Disco I met a bunch of black girls from Madagascar. It's strange they come now to Thailand to work.... In walking street I met an black Brazilian Hooker. [/QUOTE]
This is interesting!

Can you elaborate more? What were the prices? Looks? Ages? etc.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Hah, its funny - my derogatory comment about those girls looks most certainly did not mean I eschew their services!

Anyway, the girls in the bars and even some go-gos aren't that much better. Pattaya's just generally not the town for looks. Service, yes, but not looks.[/QUOTE]

Beach Road Girls rule. I never come away empty handed and rate most 100% for service. If you can't find one lovely girl, out of the hundreds out there, you must be prejudiced against them.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]This is interesting!

Can you elaborate more? What were the prices? Looks? Ages? etc.[/QUOTE]

Well, I didn't asked the girls from Madagascar how much they charge, but the Barzilian one was asking for 1000 Baht (I guess short time).
The Madagascar girls about 5 or 6 I saw first in WS and later in Insomnia. Well, there were no stunner but if someone wants a little change from Thais than the Madagascar girls might be a good change.
The Brazilian one told me a little story.
She told me that her Friend (Brazilian girl) is living in Pattaya with her English husband. The Brazilian girl is Black a bit chubby has coloured contact lens which made her eyes blue.
According her she lives in Hard Rock Hotel and will leave this morning for Phuket. She was walking a short range with me when I was going back to my Hotel. She couldn't walk very well in her high heals. Seems that it was very painful for her. Anyway I wasn't in the mood for a short time, even when the price 1000 Baht sounds good and I always like girls with big asses. Also, she spoke very good English and I couldn't recognize a Brazilian accent, so it might be just a lie that she is from Brazil.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I have walked up BR probably 100 times over the past 2 years and never - and I mean never - seen a girl that I would remotely consider going with. [/QUOTE]You define hyperbole. 100 laps on BR and never seen one "remotely" do-able girl? You may question some guys' sanity but I question your eyesight.

I'm the pickiest guy I know, and I've picked up some treasures on BR.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I have walked up BR probably 100 times over the past 2 years and never - and I mean never - seen a girl that I would remotely consider going with. .[/QUOTE]

I've been walking the walk on and off for over 20 years - sometimes just "window shopping" and on other occasions out to make a purchase. Whilst the quality was better years ago, albeit with fewer girls, I have never had a problem finding a do-able girl when I wanted one, and the service provided always matched or exceeded my wishes.

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker]I'm the pickiest guy I know, and I've picked up some treasures on BR.[/QUOTE]

I'm pickier than thou.;-)

I often walk the line and even when the majority of the girls on BR are old, horizontally challenged and chubby some gems can be found.
Albeit the beach road shopping is not the best venue, since the most girls just sitting around and so it's difficult to see if she has a nice body. Some girls, especially the younger ones have nice faces, but for me it's important to see if she has a sexy body as well.
If somebody do serious do find a girl at beach road than he has to invest some time, to find a pretty one.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan]"But, also Beach Road and Soi 6 are full of chicks."
What about soi 8?[/QUOTE]Witnessed last night about 9pm another crackdown on beach road. Two pickup trucks loaded with girls. Undercover cops all over.

Also, it was as empty as Ive ever seen in the gogos. I guess all the factors are adding up and hitting here hard. A couple of longtimers told me this was the fewest customers in recent memory, but Insomnia PACKED w/talent late night.

[QUOTEI have walked up BR probably 100 times over the past 2 years and never - and I mean never - seen a girl that I would remotely consider going with. But then look at the guys on BR who are hitting on the girls and you realize that they are even worse.[/QUOTE]

DRRONIN
Please, let me be the last to disagree with you.
There be treasure there Matey!
I'm reminded of the time I cruised the stroll in "the bad place" to quote another member, WISHING I could find something HALF as good as BR.
As we all become more jaded, do not forget - there is good pussy here,including BR, and YOU CAN HAVE IT!

C4T

[QUOTE=Nocal]Witnessed last night about 9pm another crackdown on beach road. Two pickup trucks loaded with girls. Undercover cops all over.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the update Nocal. The last time this stuff really got going there were months on end of essentially nothing on the beach, all day long. I'm thinking I won't return to Pattaya until I hear some news that's things have changed, if ever (I'm not holding my breath).

[QUOTE=Opebo]Thanks for the update Nocal. The last time this stuff really got going there were months on end of essentially nothing on the beach, all day long. I'm thinking I won't return to Pattaya until I hear some news that's things have changed, if ever (I'm not holding my breath).[/QUOTE]

Those guys who dig Beach Road girls, as I do, might consider boycotting Pattaya bars and hotels.

[QUOTE=JesseJames]Those guys who dig Beach Road girls, as I do, might consider boycotting Pattaya bars and hotels.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's what they want.

[QUOTE=Nocal]Witnessed last night about 9pm another crackdown on beach road. Two pickup trucks loaded with girls. Undercover cops all over.

Also, it was as empty as Ive ever seen in the gogos. I guess all the factors are adding up and hitting here hard. A couple of longtimers told me this was the fewest customers in recent memory, but Insomnia PACKED w/talent late night.[/QUOTE]

My observation is that the beach road is full with hookers on daytime, but almost empty after dark. So, maybe the police don't want too much puplicity about their actions on daytime, or they want reduce the competition for the walking street venues.

Anyway it's true there are pretty girls at beach road. My tatic yesterday were I asked for the telefon numbers from the interesting girls in case that I want to take her later. Yesterday I were not horny since the girl from the night before had me totally drained.

Insomnia was very full yesterday. I think the place is too small for such a crowd. Nummerous waiter and waitresses whose are always on the prowl makes the traffic inside not better.

[QUOTE=DG69]My observation is that the beach road is full with hookers on daytime, but almost empty after dark. So, maybe the police don't want too much puplicity about their actions on daytime, or they want reduce the competition for the walking street venues.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Seems to me that they want to concentrate most of the fun to walking street. I did notice some fl's on WS but they are very discreet. Mid to late afternoon beach rd has a few (very few) gems, but mostly nill at night.

Most Beer bars are next to empty except for the Wonderful's and around Sois 7-8.

Papagoyo (sp? ) on Soi Diana Inn (? ) has some real stunners for those who demand quality. BF is HIGH at 1k, but quality again is strong for here. Coyote style and has a nice, lounge like feel.

PLENTY of lookers at all of the top gogo's just not alot of customers. 2k long time max, IMO.

I am currently visiting Pattaya, after having spent 2 days in Bangkok. I have been readig this forum and have to say that I don't understand all the negative reports about low quality girls and high prices. I was in two bars in Pattaya second road between soi 6 and 7. One was called tiger bar and the other was just next to it I don't remember the name. I about 3 or 4 girls in each bar that I would rate as 7-9 and prices were 300 baht barfine and 500 ST, 1000 LT. The girls I spoke to were about 18-22 years old.

One of the girls, I would rate her at least a 7, was enthusiastic, lots of kissing, CBJ (didn't ask for BBBJ) etc., sex was average. And she spoke almost no english. The other girl was I would rate a 9, spoke english very good, and was very enthusiastic. Lots of kissing and BBBJ.

In my experiences in Pattaya have been much better than in Bangkok, in terms of quality/price. Just my humble opinion.

[QUOTE=JesseJames]Those guys who dig Beach Road girls, as I do, might consider boycotting Pattaya bars and hotels.[/QUOTE]And do what instead.?

The freelancers will not have disappeared but relocated. Sit out side Mikes at the end of Artist Street for half an hour and see how many times the same girls stroll past you.

Many gals out today along the BR in the mid afternoon.

Daytime seems to be THE time.

[QUOTE=Nocal]Many gals out today along the BR in the mid afternoon.

Daytime seems to be THE time.[/QUOTE]NOCAL,

How can they get any buisness during the day ,you can see how damn ugly they are and you not too drunk to pick them up during the day.

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker]You define hyperbole. 100 laps on BR and never seen one "remotely" do-able girl? You may question some guys' sanity but I question your eyesight.

I'm the pickiest guy I know, and I've picked up some treasures on BR.[/QUOTE]

If you say so. Perhaps my timing is bad but I have never seen a woman that I would do for free on BR - old, tired, scarred and marred- there is a reason they are only asking for 500 baht. But everyone I admit has different taste - some folks like their women that way. And if you are living in Pattaya on a low budget I suppose it makes sense - but what really astonishes me is the guys who pay a load to get here, stay in a decent hotel, drink buckets of booze and then pride themselves by saving money by taking a BR girl. Good lord, you are in a city with thousands of young go-go girls - and you come to Thailand to screw a BR girl? That is insanity to me.

Sorry but would have to agree with Slacker. I too have pulled some incredibly beautiful, clean and sexy young women off of beach road over the years. I just like it as an option as there are many in Pattaya. In the end, to each his own.
Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Kevkas]I am currently visiting Pattaya, after having spent 2 days in Bangkok. I have been readig this forum and have to say that I don't understand all the negative reports about low quality girls and high prices. I was in two bars in Pattaya second road between soi 6 and 7.

In my experiences in Pattaya have been much better than in Bangkok, in terms of quality/price. Just my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]
YMMV is the key when reading any report on this forum as you’ve experienced. However, I agree with those who find BR girls to be scary. I have been up and down that road many times and can count on one hand anything close to what I would consider a suitable catch. Despite that, some of them do have pleasant and engaging personalities but for me, esthetic does play a large part in who I pick up.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]NOCAL,

How can they get any buisness during the day ,you can see how damn ugly they are and you not too drunk to pick them up during the day.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Not exactly a beauty pageant ;)

Really not my cup of tea pulling along BR, but I would think daytime hunting makes the most sense for the reasons you just mentioned. Why get a suprise back at the room? Also notice many YOUNG gals and would question if they are old enough.

As silly as it may seem, perhaps some nouveau Beach Road mongers, inadvertently, spend "beyond their budgets" for all the reasons you mentioned (airfare, hotel, liquor, etc.) and find that Beach Road is all they can afford!

To "weigh in" on the Beach Road quality issue, I, having walked Beach Road from, I think, 2nd (where the "Dolphin Monument" is) until the Walking Street, twice a day (morning and evening), last summer for almost 30 days.

I grant you that quality, compared to the SPs of Pattaya Bars and GoGos, is sadly lacking, especially during the day but, in the evening/night, there were truly some "hotties" available that were comparable to the SPs of Bars/GoGos and for 1/4(or less) to a 1/3 of the price (factoring in lady drinks, bar fines, etc.)!

I state this with a "hedge" on the current status of Beach Road SPs as the recent police crackdown, sadly, may "skew" the situation as it stands to reason that the only the more "daring"(defined as, probably, the more desperate = the less desireable) will dare repopulate the Beach Road "stroll"!

I hope not!

[QUOTE=DRRonin]but what really astonishes me is the guys who pay a load to get here, stay in a decent hotel, drink buckets of booze and then pride themselves by saving money by taking a BR girl. Good lord, you are in a city with thousands of young go-go girls - and you come to Thailand to screw a BR girl? That is insanity to me.[/QUOTE]

Imho, the most customer are pensioner, whose live in Pattaya several months in one row. They are low on budget, or just like many older people just canny. Also, there are alot of Indians strolling around, to find cheap pussy (in this case I don't understand them, since cheap pussy should be also be possible to find in India).
For me I like to walk on beach road when I go shopping. Of course if I see a nice looking girl and I am horny than I would do her as well. Just on this holiday (I am her now about 5 days) I never were horny during my walk on beachroad, but have seen some doable girls on beach road. So, what I have done is just I exchanged telefon numbers, in order that I should have a need to use their service. Though I usually find a pretty girl in an Afterhour spot like Mixx or Insomnia.

[QUOTE=DRRonin] Good lord, you are in a city with thousands of young go-go girls - and you come to Thailand to screw a BR girl? That is insanity to me.[/QUOTE]
Everybody is different! This is a good thing because if everybody was only into young hotties, then prices for the good meat would be astronomical.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]NOCAL,

How can they get any buisness during the day ,you can see how damn ugly they are and you not too drunk to pick them up during the day.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Loads of guys are into ugly girls. Just go down there during the day and watch the soliciting.

[QUOTE=Kevkas] I have been readig this forum and have to say that I don't understand all the negative reports about low quality girls and high prices. I was in two bars in Pattaya second road between soi 6 and 7. One was called tiger bar and the other was just next to it I don't remember the name. I about 3 or 4 girls in each bar that I would rate as 7-9 and prices[/QUOTE]
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I bet most guys would rate your finds as 5-7. Stay in Pattaya long enough, and you'll know what I mean.

Just like any bar you go into, the quality on Beach Road is highly variable.

Much of the time, it is populated with some scary hags and katoeys. Other times you will find a sweet newcomer as cute as anything in the bars, admittedly less made up.

Beach Road is a lottery

A very brief post just to recommend avoiding Tony, certainly never been amongst my favourite places but now it's just a pure rip-off, hugely overpriced and it only caters for one ethnicity...

Nothing to contribute to the beach road debate cos I never manage to go out early enough to have a complete picture...

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Loads of guys are into ugly girls. [/QUOTE]I have an old old mamasan friend in Pattaya - Neung, currently at Saigon Girl. Years ago I saw a really fat ugly girl at her bar at the time and asked her why in the world she would employ such a creature. Her answer was basically 'For guys with low self esteem.'

[QUOTE=DRRonin]old, tired, scarred and marred-. Some folks like there women that way.[/QUOTE]I thought I made it pretty clear that is not the kind of woman I am referring to nor would I ever fuck anything other than damn good looking, by anyone's standard.

I am thinking now that your claim to never see one good looking chick in 100 laps around beach road is bullshit. You've never been there.

[QUOTE=DG69]Also, there are alot of Indians strolling around, to find cheap pussy (in this case I don't understand them, since cheap pussy should be also be possible to find in India).[/QUOTE]If you haven't been to India, there is a big gap in the market between high class escorts (who will cost several £hundred) and the bottom end of the market - less-than-pretty girls working in decrepit brothels with a high incidence of HIV, etc. The gap is filled with pimped girls found in the small ads, and can be a lottery, but by any reckoning not a patch on our friends in Thailand. I can quite understand why Indians come over to Thailand, and I can also appreciate their different understanding of the pricing structure...

[QUOTE=Woodman2]
The freelancers will not have disappeared but relocated.[/QUOTE]

Actually a very large percentage of them will have disappeared, just like last time. During crackdowns, one no longer gets young cute girls freelancing, because it is too dangerous. Most just go work in bars for a while, or go home. Even many of the middling-range girls go home. So basically you're left with maybe 20% of the old population, and not the best 20% either. Crackdowns do work.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]... if you are living in Pattaya on a low budget I suppose it makes sense - but what really astonishes me is the guys who pay a load to get here, stay in a decent hotel, drink buckets of booze and then pride themselves by saving money by taking a BR girl. Good lord, you are in a city with thousands of young go-go girls - and you come to Thailand to screw a BR girl? That is insanity to me.[/QUOTE]

Obviously most of us who go with BR girls are long-stayers - we work in Thailand on the pittance paid here, or live by stretching out some money from the West for months or even years on end. So for us the 2,000 baht you spend on a go-go girl has to last at least a few days. And please keep in mind that some of us care about service - the service from go-go girls is abominable compared to that available from BR girls.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Everybody is different! This is a good thing because if everybody was only into young hotties, then prices for the good meat would be astronomical.[/QUOTE]

The price [i]is[/i] astronomical, and the service bad. No thanks. For some of us a highly skilled BJ, bareback, and anal are necessary to enjoy the sex act.. for others a young cutie is enough, even if she does almost nothing. For example I often go mongering with Thai guys - they love young cute girls, but those girls don't give any BJ, and condom usage is absolutely required, and anal is a pipe dream. I don't see how this could work for anyone (and besides, these girls usually cry out 'jep, stop' if you bang them for more than 3 minutes). What fun. No I'd much rather have even a 40 year old if she can take a good 60 minutes in all three holes, and do it with some pretense of enthusiasm.

Why don't you take some pictures of Beach Road women and publish here? I haven't been in Pattaya yet, and it doesn't make any sense all this discussion about the beauty of Beach Road women. Some pictures please.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]Why don't you take some pictures of Beach Road women and publish here? I haven't been in Pattaya yet, and it doesn't make any sense all this discussion about the beauty of Beach Road women. Some pictures please.[/QUOTE]

I never take any pictures of any prostitutes, but I think there are many in the 'Thailand Photo Gallery' section. Not sure how you would search, maybe just have to keep scrolling down, looking for beach road pics.

[QUOTE=Betong]I have an old old mamasan friend in Pattaya - Neung, currently at Saigon Girl. Years ago I saw a really fat ugly girl at her bar at the time and asked her why in the world she would employ such a creature. Her answer was basically 'For guys with low self esteem.'[/QUOTE]These tubbies do the work and make the profit by getting guys to drink. The trophy hookers are a waste of the bars' time.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]If you haven't been to India, there is a big gap in the market between high class escorts (who will cost several £hundred) and the bottom end of the market - less-than-pretty girls working in decrepit brothels with a high incidence of HIV, etc. The gap is filled with pimped girls found in the small ads, and can be a lottery, but by any reckoning not a patch on our friends in Thailand. I can quite understand why Indians come over to Thailand, and I can also appreciate their different understanding of the pricing structure...[/QUOTE]

I know it's off topic, but...
It's true I was never in India, but wonder why for example in the Gulf Region are hundred thousend of Indian workers, but almost no Indian Hookers. The view Indian dancers there were guarded from Indian pimps like they would consists of pure gold.
One could wonder what is going wrong with the Indians. On the one hand side they do not value women too much, since it means that they have to pay a high bride price when they marry on the other hand side the virginity of their women is equal important than in many moslem countries.
If they have such a queer kind of thinking they do not deserve to have any fun with women at all.

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker]I thought I made it pretty clear that is not the kind of woman I am referring to nor would I ever fuck anything other than damn good looking, by anyone's standard.

I am thinking now that your claim to never see one good looking chick in 100 laps around beach road is bullshit. You've never been there.[/QUOTE]

Oh shoot - you got me all figured out. I am just making this stuff up. Oh wait. I just looked out my window and what did I see. Beach Road. Funny that. Am down in P. right now as I type this.

Hey, I said its possible my timing has always been wrong but this is just my opinion - some others on this forum have found some delights as clearly you have. I never ever ever have - and thats the truth from my perspective. But we all see things differently. A friend of mine came down to P. last year from Bk and ended up staying for weeks. He told me that he found a stunner on BR that was staying with him all day and did everything he wanted for 500 baht so he just stayed in P. for the rest of his trip. I was happy for him. Then he sends me pictures of his "stunner". I am not sure what it was that attacted him to her - the breasts that sagged so much they would have landed on the head of a passing dwarf, the ceasarian scars that ran across her stomach like the canals of Mars, the bruises on her legs that were a map of the world or just her weary tired look that seemed to be saying my life is hell. He says she is 26. She easily looked 45. But in the end she made him very happy and that is all that really counts.

Can someone give informations about the price of getting taxi or tuktuk in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]Can someone give informations about the price of getting taxi or tuktuk in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Tuk-Tuks don`t exist in Pattaya other than some private ones such as the Pattaya Bay Resort use.

Instead 100s of Blue pick up called Songtaews (2 rows, as in seats) commonly known as Baht buses cover most of the areas you would need to reach. Price is 10 Baht for a falang pretty much anywhere from South Pattaya up to the Dolphin roundabout. From Jomtien to that far north the fare would be 20 Baht. It`s an easy system to use once you get your bearings. Flag down a moving Baht bus, climb in, at your destination press the buzzer, get out and give the driver a 10 Baht coin. Keep a pocket full of 10s because getting change from some drivers can be difficult. Don`t get into an empty parked up Baht bus or you will be charged as having chartered it.

There are now licensed Metred Taxis based in Pattaya (before the Taxis you saw were down from Bangkok) that trawl the streets. Pay what the metre says....!! easy.....!! Except most of them refuse to use the meter. Avoid them like the plague. Infact boycott them. If you need to get anywhere off of a Baht bus route directly negotiate a price with a Baht Bus driver.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]Can someone give informations about the price of getting taxi or tuktuk in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]


You can a motor bike taxi I don't know the price as never use them.

They run a baht bus system which you can stop and get on then travel on the route of the bus press the buzzer once to get off prices are normally 10 bht per person but if you go to Jotimen or Nakula then it will cost more.

You can hire a baht bus privately say walking street to your hotel for around 100bht for the whole bus.

There are several types ( colors ) of Songteaws. The ones you see most are the Blue ones. They operate in the tourist area or lets make it easy from Sukhumvit to Beach Rd. If you hire a Blue Songteaws to the other side of Sukhumvit, don't expect to come back on one unless you hire him for a round trip since they aren't allow to pick up new customers on the way back.

There are White Songteaws that run up and down Sukhumvit Rd. Then there are Green Songteaws that run South of Sukumvit.

As for motorcycle taxi, if you don't mind their driving and don't mind spending more like 50 baht instead of 10, they are very good since like in Bangkok they can go between the cars and avoid traffic. But otherwise in Pattaya, unless you're in a super hurry or late at night use the Songteaws.


LBM

Woodman2, ThaiLearner & LittleBigMan

Thanks for informations.

Motorbike taxis always try to get 40 baht now for short trips, which if you think about it is an absurdly high price. Try always to have 30 baht in exact change on you and just give them that. Normally they won't fight about it (and anyway 30 baht is a shocking lot). Never ever give more than 40 unless its a very long journey, though sometimes when you're leaving the bus station they all insist on 50. I try not to put up with this but sometimes its unavoidable.

All in all it is always the best option to rent a motorbike in Pattaya - for the 100-120 baht/day you save far more and avoid a lot of hassles and ripoffs, as well as trudgings.

Think about it - those dudes are making 30-40 baht each time, maybe doing 2-3 trips every hour. Heck given how easy and pleasant the job is [i]I'd[/i] considering doing it for that.

This is what can happen to your dignity when you come to Pattaya without sufficient funds, and let the bar girls cheat you ....

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/june/news_22_06_52_2.shtml[/url]

You will be reduced to stealing 5 baht packages of noodles at convenience stores for your supper.

And they would like to execute him.

Today I were in a part of Pattaya were I were never before. 3rd Road. I were at the Euro Dental Clienic. But, on the way to that place I passed a Coyotee Club, called "the girl". It's on 3rd Road not for to the corner to south Pattaya road. From outside it makes a good impression, but of course there were no action since I were there at daytime. Do anybody know the club and can recommend?
Well, I guess it's not worth to go there, but would appreciate infos.

[quote=opebo]all in all it is always the best option to rent a motorbike in pattaya - for the 100-120 baht/day you save far more and avoid a lot of hassles and ripoffs, as well as trudgings.[/quote]agree completely.

first time i hired a pretty crappy bike for 150bht, but for better bikes the price seems to be 200bht, or 150bht if hired for more than one day. i usually get the shrimp to do the haggling after i've told her the target figure.

o**** always seems to get the best prices...

[QUOTE=Opebo]Motorbike taxis always try to get 40 baht now for short trips, which if you think about it is an absurdly high price. Try always to have 30 baht in exact change on you and just give them that. Normally they won't fight about it (and anyway 30 baht is a shocking lot). Never ever give more than 40 unless its a very long journey, though sometimes when you're leaving the bus station they all insist on 50. I try not to put up with this but sometimes its unavoidable.

All in all it is always the best option to rent a motorbike in Pattaya - for the 100-120 baht/day you save far more and avoid a lot of hassles and ripoffs, as well as trudgings.

Think about it - those dudes are making 30-40 baht each time, maybe doing 2-3 trips every hour. Heck given how easy and pleasant the job is [i]I'd[/i] considering doing it for that.[/QUOTE]
All in all its always a nice way to get a one way ticket. Dont learn it the hard way like I did. Stay away from motorbikedriving. You can always drive nice and slow but it doesn`t matter if the rest drives like hell. Take a nice walk instead. Just a thought. PB

[QUOTE=DG69]Today I were in a part of Pattaya were I were never before. 3rd Road. I were at the Euro Dental Clienic. [/QUOTE]
DG. How is the Euro Dental Clinic as far as price and service? I usually go to the dentist in BKK but I'm looking for a replacement in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DG69]Today I were in a part of Pattaya were I were never before. 3rd Road. I were at the Euro Dental Clienic. But, on the way to that place I passed a Coyotee Club, called "the girl". It's on 3rd Road not for to the corner to south Pattaya road. From outside it makes a good impression, but of course there were no action since I were there at daytime. Do anybody know the club and can recommend?

Well, I guess it's not worth to go there, but would appreciate infos.[/QUOTE]Most of the bars and clubs on #3 road are for mainly Thai clientel. The exception being Bamboo Bar and Excite Disco. The welcome can be frosty at best and downright hostile at worst. You`ve no real need to go there, stick to the tourist places.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]DG. How is the Euro Dental Clinic as far as price and service? I usually go to the dentist in BKK but I'm looking for a replacement in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thre is a very god dentist on the way to Jomtien. Whn you come up the hill, just before the 7/11 on the left hand side. It's called something like German dental. The owner is German ad has employed very good dentists. They have an in hose laboratory and can do crowns within 3 days.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]DG. How is the Euro Dental Clinic as far as price and service? I usually go to the dentist in BKK but I'm looking for a replacement in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

The cost for a crown is 12000 Baht (Gold with a plastic coating) and 500 Baht for X-Ray.
I can't say if I can recommend the Euro Dental Clinic. The two Thai guys in that clinic did a good job by grinding down my tooth for the Crown, but I lost the provisional tooth they installed to bridge the time until the crown is finish (Tuesday next week) at the first day. Hope the final crown will last longer.... :(.

Thank you Woodman for the info. Excite and Bamboo Bar I know, there are on 3rd between Pattaya Klang (or Gang) and South Pattaya Road.
The Club "The Girl" is on 3rd Road between Pattaya Klang (or Gang) and North Pattaya Road.

Yesterday I walked down Soi Buakaow (spelling?) and found the Bars there good fun. The usual customers there are English guys and since I lived one year in England, I liked the British kind of Clubbing.
In Club Blu they had a 70th Party. Girls were dressed like in the seventhies and Music were also from that time. Good fun there. It's on every Wednesday.
Also, found on the way on a Night Market at Soi Buakaow (behind Central Festifal Center) a VW Transporter (Bully) where they sell Bratwuerste (Sausages). They taste very good, so if somebody wants to try good Bratwuerste, the sausage there taste really like German Sausages.
In England I was on a German Christmas Market, but the Sausages there did not taste very good, imho. Big difference between what you find on a Christmas Market in Germany. But, this sausage stall sell really good ones.

Low season in Pat now. The beggars are out and girls are willing to deal. Hot 18 yo gogo girl(unmarked) for 1000ST last night. She wanted 1500 but got 1000. Most freelancers are willing to take between 500-1000ST. Bargain hard guys! There are deals to be had.

[url]http://dentalpattayabeach.com/[/url]

I had major work done at this place by "Dr. Pom". Highly recommended and inexpensive. Young western-trained dentist, good English, cute assistants who sing along to the radio and flirt. The clinic (two clinics actually) located on Second Street across from Tukcom shopping mall.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]...Most freelancers are willing to take between 500-1000ST. Bargain hard guys! There are deals to be had.[/QUOTE]

Last time I was in Pattaya I got a 300 baht offer from a 24 year old quite attractive Beach Road girl, and took her up on it. This was the kind of girl who always gets 500 normally (there are definitely plenty of older ones who will take 300 any day). The catch was this was just as the police squads were rolling, and she was about to run up Soi Yamoto as fast as she could when she espied me.

Mr. Enternational,

As Tiger888, mentioned and he was the one that refer this place to me. I wrote a report months ago on my experience there and the price. I have checked out many places in Pattaya and although his prices might be higher than what I personally wanted to pay it wasn't higher than what you paid at the clinic you mentioned.

I know the spelling is wrong... but it's on the way to Jomtien on Tharapya Rd, on the left hand side. They are doing construction now and making the road wider. It across the 7/11, German Dental...

In review, I had a crown done in 2 days, from my research that's the quickest anyone I have found in Pattaya. A crown was only 9,000 baht and they back it up for 5 years if it cracks. They have their own lab on the top floor.

LBM

Gents,

I'll be in BKK for the last week of July and I'll stay an all week there just for my favorite sports.

I was wondering if Pataya would be worth the visit, leaving BKK in the morning and going back in the evening.

How is the beach?

Could I come alone with my things, abandon them on the sand and go swimming for 15 minutes, and still found them when I come back?

Do they have public showers on the beach to get rid of the salt and sand?

If I want to visit some hot spot during day time with no hotel in Pataya, what would you recommend?

Thanks for your advises.

I can confirm the statement of DG69 about the prize of a crown. I always go to "Perfect Smile" on Central Pattaya Road (Pattaya Klang) for cleaning the teeth and repair, if necessary. In April this year I broke a crown, went to Perfect Smile, they made an X-Ray and offered me a porcelain crown with 18 carat inlay for 12000 Baht. For the interim I got a plastic crown. All finished after 1 week. Most convincing work. And about the sausage - I agree 100 %. The VW bus offers a "Thüringer Rostbratwurst " at its best. Very tasty. Aroi aroi mak mak. Normally I prefer Thai food, but sometimes I need some good farang food. And this sausage is much better than the sausages I can buy in Friendship Shop on Pattaya Tai Road.
Enjoy
Lemon Tree

Contrary to what Amjeck reported, to me prices are not as low as they should, especially with so little farangs around, clearly something drove prices up in last years, never dreamt of paying more than 1,500bath for long time in Pattaya, not even stunners, and never did... I see some now have the guts to ask 2,500bath... in their dreams! Can almost get the same experience in my country for that...

My holidays are towards the end and I still had a hugely good time, but it happened more than once that girls have played the trick of going home in the morning with just the one f---!, never used to bargain in the detail beforehand how many f--- they are supposed to provide and not even the price for what matter, usually gave them well below the 1,500 mark and they were as happy as your dog!

These two reasons make me say something's gone downhill, but, for now, still the Mecca...

[QUOTE=Alistair]Contrary to what Amjeck reported, to me prices are not as low as they should...[/QUOTE]


Indeed, prices are not always goes in the right direction. For example the so called Doener, or better to say Shawama. It's that chicken or beef wrap arab stile, you can find now on any corner. The first one I saw years ago behind Coyotee Agogo on Second Road. Now there are almost everywhere. First price when I remember right was 50 Baht. Last November it was 60 Baht and now it costs 70 Baht, at least at walking street. The ones in Soi LK Metro are still 60 Baht, but the chicken is not breast filet, but leg meat (not as good for a shawama). Also, prices for Motorcycle Taxis are going up. Though I never used them at this trip. I rather walk than support such an inflation.

Also, I think I know now where those Brazilian Hookers have their nest. A few days before I saw from a distance some Brazilian dancer in a restaurant at Central Festival Center. Can't remember the name of the restaurant, but something short like Smack, ir Crack, or .... Anyway it's in Front of Central Festival Center on Beach Road.

They play Carioca Music and have some Brazilian dancer. I didn't saw them from a close distance, so I can't be sure, but I saw that those dancer, dance really like Brazilians, which is totally different from how Thai dance. Thais don't move their hips in that way like Brazilians do.

[QUOTE=Alistair]Contrary to what Amjeck reported, to me prices are not as low as they should, especially with so little farangs around, clearly something drove prices up in last years, never dreamt of paying more than 1,500bath for long time in Pattaya, not even stunners, and never did... I see some now have the guts to ask 2,500bath... in their dreams! Can almost get the same experience in my country for that...

[/QUOTE]
Prices have certainly become outrageous in the last 2 years in Pattaya and the services have gotten worse. However, it seems that this low season has just kicked in over the last week and the girls are finally willing to come down on price.

If you keep up with the changes in Pattaya, you'll understand the reason for the high prices. IMO pattaya is getting worse everyday, but as you said, it is still the mecca for now.

Yep, I think "outrageous" is precisely the word I'd use to describe a request of 2,500bath, irrespective of who's asking for it. I don't want to generalize on which ethnicity drove up the prices or what age braket, but something did happen. Some places asking for 250bath for a mekong-coke is also out of this world, lost touch somehow...

As regards the second-bum-bum-at-least when it comes to LT deals, I never had to push the girl for the 2nd (or sometimes 3rd) f---, it was implicit in the LT “deal”, and IF I HAD TO PUSH HER I WOULDN’T LIKE IT ANYWAY!
Clever girls have always been there, trying their luck, but it seems now they are getting to smart-arse level… I’m in my mid 30s and good looking (not that it matters of course, I know what they’re after…) and still had loads of fun with my usual prices as I did last times, so that’s no big deal, just want to report my impressions.
Also just want to precise, I come here twice a year, not that I’ve been absent for ages and didn’t keep up with the prices, I just have the impression that things have deteriorated quite quickly, especially seeing there are not many tourists around and those who are here are likely to be more conscious due to these difficult financial times, but who knows, I may only have been sort of unlucky with some…

Good luck to you all!

And if I'm allowed just another thought, there are so many girls out there now having "good men" sponsoring them on a monthly basis that some have actually lost touch with their world. Last night chatting with a not-so-young-and-definitely-not-good-looking girl she showed me a text from her "boyfriend" from Dubai who sent her 90,000bath. I mean come on guys! I don't want to insult anybody here, but if you think that they don't f--- around cos you sponsor them you have definitely lost touch with reality! Your "love" will end and in the meantime you will have lost quite a lot of money and spoilt the market as well.

The shutting off of the Beach Road trade will greatly increase the upward pressure on prices.

There are several reasons for the increase over the last few years: 1) fewer young women as Thailand's birthrate has declined and the population rapidly ages, 2) shutting down of many international sex tourism destinations - for example Cambodia, 3) the crackdowns on the beach over the last few years, and 4) Thailand's booming economy. Only the last factor has been counteracted by the depression.

I don't know if any of you remember, but a couple of years ago there was basically no beach scene for nearly a whole year. The scene had only recently recovered somewhat, and now the crackdowns begin again. Eliminating the 300-500 baht option on the beach does a lot to force mongers to spend the big money in the bars and nightclubs.

[QUOTE=Alistair]And if I'm allowed just another thought, there are so many girls out there now having "good men" sponsoring them on a monthly basis that some have actually lost touch with their world. Last night chatting with a not-so-young-and-definitely-not-good-looking girl she showed me a text from her "boyfriend" from Dubai who sent her 90,000bath. I mean come on guys! I don't want to insult anybody here, but if you think that they don't f--- around cos you sponsor them you have definitely lost touch with reality! Your "love" will end and in the meantime you will have lost quite a lot of money and spoilt the market as well.[/QUOTE]
I’m afraid there is nothing we can do about love struck fools from Dubai (and elsewhere) sponsoring their plain looking Pattaya bar girl sweethearts with thousands of baht. Why should we want to anyway? I say good for them and good for the economy of Pattaya.

Good for us too. When lucky news like this spreads to the hinterlands of the LOS, the impoverished young farm village girls will come flocking to Pattaya by the hundreds, each looking for her own chance at a foreigner. While they search, most will be quite willing to fuck and suck each male prospect for the going rate. If not, they’ll either get lucky or go hungry. And the next crop will arrive tomorrow on the morning bus.

That’s how things work here. That’s the beauty of Pattaya.

Anyone know of the price and availability of Russian/CIS in Pattaya at the moment and if they're discounting like TG's are.

Apologies in advance to those of the 'when in Rome' school but since I'm unlikely to set foot in their godforesaken countries a change in diet would be good.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick]Anyone know of the price and availability of Russian/CIS in Pattaya at the moment and if they're discounting like TG's are.

Apologies in advance to those of the 'when in Rome' school but since I'm unlikely to set foot in their godforesaken countries a change in diet would be good.[/QUOTE]

Ah, at the moment are alot CIS and Russians in Pattaya. It's maybe their summer holiday time. Same apeals to Israelians and French.
The CIS girls stroll along the walking street and can be also found at beach road. Though they are not very pretty, inho.
Russian girls, even quite pretty ones can be find for example in the after hour discos. Specially at MixX. I am not sure if they go for money and how much, or if they are looking for some holiday adventure.
Just noticed that alot of Indian and Arabs try like crazy to get in contact with them. It's somehow funny, in case more embarrassing than funny to see how thay make fools out of themselfs to get with meat.
So, if you are charming and resonable looking you could have some luck with the Russian chicks. Just try and don't make a fool out of you.;-)

Anyway, I have to say that the after hour scene is poor at the moment. The reason is that it starts now too late, or on the wrong places. Last November I could went to Marine Disco at 1 am and there were already alot of people and quite many girls.
Now Marine is death, since Insomnia is on walking street.

Insomnia is not bad, also the prices are quite good (SM light about 115 Baht) but it starts late. Best at 3 am, but very quickly to crowded, since the space is limited and the service staff is very pushy and annoying.

MixX has awful music, starts late also 2-3 am and is full of Arabs and Indians whose habbits are not always compatible with western good behaviour. Also, drinks are quite expensive (SM light 180 Baht).

Walking Street Pub (with the red car) starts earlier 12 -2 am but very narrow and not easy to overview.

Lucifer starts earlier but I never liked that place. I am not a fan from the kind of music they play and it's too dark and difficult to overview.

Marine was just right, started early with good music and open and therefore easy to spot nice looking girls. Just it was expensive (SM light 180 Baht). Now Marine is death and no replacement imho.

[QUOTE=Opebo]

There are several reasons for the increase over the last few years: 1) fewer young women as Thailand's birthrate has declined and the population rapidly ages, 2) shutting down of many international sex tourism destinations - for example Cambodia, 3) the crackdowns on the beach over the last few years, and 4) Thailand's booming economy. Only the last factor has been counteracted by the depression.

[/QUOTE]
Pattaya has certainly been cracking down on the trade in the last few years. and Yes, there are far less young girls.

I think the main reason for the increase in price and the stuck up attitude of the women, is simply that guys are willing to spend more to get laid. There is a new crowd of tourists/mongers coming to Pattaya and they have cash to burn!

[QUOTE=DG69]

Marine was just right, started early with good music and open and therefore easy to spot nice looking girls. Just it was expensive (SM light 180 Baht). Now Marine is death and no replacement imho.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Marine used to be a hot spot, now it sucks .Tony's was hot and would allow girls younger than 20 in. Now the vibe in tonys is very arab.

World's largest expat survey reveals crunch hits expats hard
US, Thailand and South Africa are most affected expat locations

BANGKOK: -- The US, Thailand and South Africa are most affected expat locations. Almost half of expats in UK are considering returning home. Emerging markets rank above established centres for expat finances, while UK is the worst for saving behind Spain and France. Despite economic crisis, expats are wealthier and save more than in country of origin.

HSBC Bank International today revealed that the current economic crisis has had a significant impact on expats' financial situation, according to the world's largest survey of expats, Expat Explorer.

The first of three instalments of this year's survey, Expat Economics, showed that expats have reduced spending across the board, with the UK and the US identified as having some of the highest numbers of expats considering a move home.

Expat Explorer, now in its second year, surveyed over 3,100 expats from more than 50 countries and is the largest survey of its kind, with 46% more respondents than last year. Expat Economics is the first of three reports on the results and is a new addition to this year's survey which looks at an expats' economic quality of life. This is determined by four main economic factors:

-Annual income in excess of US$200,000.

- A monthly disposable income in excess of US$3,000.

- An increase in saving while living/working abroad (in their current country of residence).

- Having at least two luxury items in the country they live in.

Paul Say, Head of Marketing and Communications for HSBC Bank International, said that this year's survey revealed interesting insights into a dynamic segment of the world's population, and also stands as a key indicator into how expats had been affected by global economic events.

"Last year's survey gave us some really valuable insights into such a fascinating group of people and we are pleased to see even more expats participating in this year's survey" said Mr Say.

"As the world continues to undergo a significant economic shift, we are seeing some interesting patterns amongst the expat population, particularly in the changes to their spending habits. Despite expats in the UK and US considering a move home we also found that the majority of expats are staying put despite growing employment uncertainty across many regions."

Overall, the US, Thailand and South Africa have been most affected by the credit crunch, reducing their spending on essential and luxury items, general household maintenance and the money allocated to savings and investments. The largest reduction in essential day-to-day items was seen in Spain, where almost two-thirds (81%) of expats have cut back. Almost four-fifths of expats in the US (79%) and three quarters in the UK (75%) have also scaled down their spending on essential day-to-day items.

Not surprisingly, almost half (44% - the highest recorded figure in the survey) of expats in the UK and close to a quarter (23%) of expats in the US are considering returning home in light of the current financial crisis. This provides a stark contrast when compared to the average of only 15% of expats overall who are considering the same move.

26 countries now feature in the ranking table (compared with 12 last year), with Russia (1st place) scoring highly as a result of the number of expats saving more, high annual salaries and the amount of disposable income available. Qatar (2nd place) and Saudi Arabia (3rd place) also scored highly in the areas of increased savings and disposable income, however had their scores affected by lower annual salaries. Interestingly, two-thirds of expats in Qatar (63%) said that their attitude to spending had not changed as a result of the economic crisis.

Geographically, Switzerland and the UK ranked 1st and 2nd respectively for Europe, with Qatar and Saudi Arabia leading the charge in the Middle East, Russia and Hong Kong top for the Asia-Pacific region and Mexico and the United States highest in the Americas.

Many expatriates have taken advantage of their current location to increase the amount of money allocated to savings. Expats in the Middle East are strong savers, with the UAE ranking fifth (after Saudi Arabia, Russia, Qatar and India) as a country where expats are increasing their savings. The UAE and India were also top countries to save in the 2008 Expat Explorer report.

Expats in the UK were the worst savers/investors globally, with over a quarter of expats living in the UK (27% - the highest recorded in the survey) saying that they had reduced their savings and investments when compared to their home country.

Savings accounts are the most popular way to save for expats across virtually all markets, with the exceptions of Mexico, Malaysia, Japan and South Africa.

Asia is home to the highest paid expats in the world, with one in four expats (25%) earning more than US$200,000 per year. Individually, the survey identified Russia, Japan and Qatar as home to the wealthiest expats, defined as an annual income in excess of US$200,000 and a monthly disposable income in excess of US$3,000. Over one-third (43%) of expats surveyed in Russia, 40% in Japan and 22% in Qatar answered that their annual income was over this US$200,000 mark.

Belgium and Australia are home to the least wealthy expats, with almost two-thirds (61%) of expats in Belgium and 63% of expats in Australia stating that their annual salary was US$100,000 or less. This compares to an average figure of 35% across all expats surveyed.

Almost three-quarters (74%) of expats surveyed said that they have more disposable income than they did living in their country of origin, except those living in France (47%) and the UK (47%). Almost all expats in Qatar (94%), Russia (97%) and Saudi Arabia (98%) have more disposable income than they did living in their home country. More expats in these countries also have more than US$4,000 (70%, 59%, 52% respectively) of disposable income each month compared to the survey average of 36%.

Food and accommodation has seen the largest increase in spending for expats, a continuing theme from the 2008 Expat Explorer report. Expats in the UK spend more of their income on accommodation than in anywhere else in the world, with almost two-thirds (86%) ranking it as their greatest expenditure, a continuing trend from the 2008 report.

"As with our 2008 survey, we are generally seeing that although expats are spending more in their new countries of residence, they are also saving more," said Mr. Say.

"There is no doubt that we have seen some interesting trends in terms of how expats are reacting to the credit crunch, but what is also interesting to see is that they remain to be a wealthy group of individuals. Over half of the expats surveyed are actually earning US$100,000 and over - no mean feat particularly in the current climate."

The next instalment in the Expat Explorer series, Expat Existence, will be released in August this

[QUOTE=Daddy07]While they search, most will be quite willing to fuck and suck each male prospect for the going rate.[/QUOTE]

Not always strictly true, when a girl has a good sponsorship (or more than one), and many out there have, sometimes is only willing to go with you at her conditions, either she's in the mood and she likes you a little bit, or you give her a valuable sum because the value of money to her has changed and would rather spend the night with her friends and enjoy herself than get what seems now a "miserable" 1,000bath. Sponsorhip is certainly not the main reason for the increase in prices, but I'm more against than pro.

Totally agree with the scene that starts too late, the only place seems now Lucifer which starts at a decent hour, but some girls in discos now do have an attitude compared to just a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=Alistair]Not always strictly true, when a girl has a good sponsorship (or more than one), and many out there have, sometimes is only willing to go with you at her conditions, ...[/QUOTE]

I wrote already something regarding sponsorship. I would consider sponsorship as an absolutely stupid idea. Almost all lose while one guy start to sponsor his girl.

The Sponsor lose, finacially and emotional. He think he can keep the girl for himslef by sending money. Maybe he can be sure that she will be with him on his next holiday, but meanwhile she will sex with other guys as well.

The girl will have enough money, but most Thai girls don't save the money. They usually spend it for luxury staff or just spend on parties with her friends. On the end she will be spoiled and stuck up.

Other customer who can be also the sponsor on his next holiday, who will have to deal with spoiled market prices.

Ok, the local economy will win, but in the end the higher prices will convince the monger scene to stay away and search for cheaper destinations.

Sponsors, high tipper and big spender will ruin the market and destroy the monger paradise for others and for themself.

[QUOTE=DG69]
Sponsors, high tipper and big spender will ruin the market and destroy the monger paradise for others and for themself.[/QUOTE]

This seems to be the talking point of some forum members without ever elaborating on it. Do you have any real evidence of this or can you tell us how it is possible for "big spenders" to ruin the market for others?

[QUOTE=Run Mann]This seems to be the talking point of some forum members without ever elaborating on it. Do you have any real evidence of this or can you tell us how it is possible for "big spenders" to ruin the market for others?[/QUOTE]

It's quite simple. If a girl gets from a customer 2000 Baht for St, because he feels that that price is justified, but the going rate is 1000 Baht than the girl will try to get the next time again 2000 Baht. If there are enough guys whose pay 2000 Baht than the going rate will become 2000 Baht.
In the end all prices will raise.

[QUOTE=Run Mann] or can you tell us how it is possible for "big spenders" to ruin the market for others?[/QUOTE]
Simple economics really.

When a guy is horny he rarely thinks with the right head. So when a chick who normally goes for 1000ST all of the sudden tries for 2000ST and gets it from a few "big spenders", she automatically thinks her value is at 2000ST. She will always shoot for this amount because she got it several times before. Her real value may be at 1000ST but in her head, she thinks she is worth more and will always try to get it. A really good example is to go out and find a girl that normally goes for japanese men. These girls will always quote outrageous prices because most japanese guys just pay what the girl asks. Their yen is strong and they can't be bothered with negotiating. I wouldn't say they've ruined the market, but instead created there own.

When you buy a liter of gasoline you use logic in your decision making. You probably wouldn't pay double for what you could get for half across the street would you? When guys buy pussy, very few use logic. It is an emotional sell, and the ones who get all emotional and too horny pay the most!


Let's face it. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=DG69]It's quite simple. If a girl gets from a customer 2000 Baht for St, because he feels that that price is justified, but the going rate is 1000 Baht than the girl will try to get the next time again 2000 Baht. If there are enough guys whose pay 2000 Baht than the going rate will become 2000 Baht.
In the end all prices will raise.[/QUOTE]


This is flawed on so many levels, first there is no guarantee she is going to get 2000B from the next customer or even the next 100 customers, even if she asks for it because big spenders are the exception. Second if this were true, why aren’t the prices 5000B (or whatever high rollers pay) for ST now? Big spenders have been in spurlging in Pattaya for years so the prices should be way more than what they are now. When I go to Super baby or Super Girl a GO GO, I should be quoted the same silly prices the Japanese customers are paying because they pay higher and are "spoiling the market for the rest of us" but the price is still the same for me. If a girl demands 2000B for ST, move on to the next one that will charge your 1000B. Eventually the girl who wants 2000B will return her price to 1000B because there will never be enough high rollers to consistently sustain her.

I've been hearing this big spenders will spoil the market crap for years but the prices have basically remain at the same level they were years ago. I saw a customer paid a girl 1000B for ST on Soi 6 some time ago. Last month she was offering up herself for 700 ST because she knows that she will not command 1000B from every customer. These girls are smart enough to know that not all customers will pay outrageous prices and will adjust accordingly. There's just no evidence to support this idea that big spenders spoil the market, it’s nothing more than catchy talking points but there is no merit to it.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]I've been hearing this big spenders will spoil the market crap for years but the prices have basically remain at the same level they were years ago....[/QUOTE]

Ok, I am just back from a short time and I guess I will stay in Hotel and go early sleeping (it's now 02:34 am). But, let's try again, though I am sure I will not be able to convince you, since you even call the statement of others crap and what else, instead of arguing.

Good example is tipping. In former time there were not such an habbit to tip. In some countries like England , tipping is not the norm, but in America it's usual. American tourists brought this habbit to Thailand and now tipping is here also usual.

One other example is Thermae in Bangkok. I am not sure if it's was the Japanese, Chinese, or Korean guys, but it doesn't matter. They pay 3000 Baht ST as far I have heard. Now the cute girls there are only going with for 3000 Baht and some do not even consider to go with a Farang.
Better looking girls can ask for higher prices and will get higher prices, because some high spender will pay. There are still enough girl, even cute ones who go for less, but the high spender, sponsors and co do spoil the market for the Stunners since they pay them more.
Ok, some could say it's justified, since a Mercedes also cost more than a Fiat. In the end it's true and in the end nobody will be able to change the system. But, in the end Thailand will gets to expensive and mongers will go to other countries or stay at home.

Example is Spain. In the past it was a cheap place for North and Middle European tourists. Than it got spoiled, prices raised and people changed to Turkey.

Maybe Thailand tourist industrie will compensate the raising of prices with more supply (More Hotels, more Restaurants, more Shops). At the moment through the economic situation there is more supply than demand, so the prices should fall.

@Amjeck, seems we had the same thoughts!;-)

howdy i usually post in the phil board but i do spend time in pattaya / jomtein too. i spent three months there from oct to dec 25. the night before christmas i did a midnight move and headed to angeles to be with fellow catholics to celebrate. well the real reason i was running from a psycho thai gf who had a mean streak. to this day i still have a few remaining scars from her putting her claws into my flesh.


that aside, i will be back and managed to patch up the farewell speech from the saftey of my home computer with her. in due time they just move on to another chap.

i must say the pattaya jomtein scene is a real sex carnival. on the one side there is quite a bit of competition from fellow punters but there is an abundance of ladies willing to go short time with you, and making a few extra baht no matter what their current relationship status is.

jomtein is my place. i like the local beaches especially cozy beach and the suburban feel to the place. travel to walking street is only 15 minutes away max but i rarely pick up there as i find the prices higher. i would just walk around looking for strays that catch me eyes and make a deal for short time in the 500-1000 baht range. if one is staying a few months its hard to beat the locale. if one is keeping a good looking lady there i think it would be next to impossible to think that she would not be tempted with all the falangs offering to short time her.

there are so many fine restaurants to choose from in the jomtein complex including a large expat bar. however being the thrifty type i would settle with local cuisine and beer at half the price to the foreign owned establishments on average. i found royal park apartments thailand a sweet serviced apartment. it is hidden in the royal park subdivision which makes for a much quieter stay. eddie is the owner is from england and owen runs the place. it is not the cheapest but for a middle of the road budget person like myself it is hard to beat. there is no street scene outside your door unlike many other places with resulting smells and traffic. it a two block walk to the local seven eleven on thepprasit.

i plan to be back in october- january give or take a month enjoying those three months there when the weather is very good not too hot and little rain unlike most parts of thailand and the rest of asia. its a paradise for sex there.

i do find myself hanging out with mates there more than in the phil because fewer ladies speak english and if they do the topics of conversation are limited to the bare bones. just hard to find friends that don't smoke or drink like a fish. so, i doubt i could live there unless i start hanging out at the hospitals and find a women brain surgeon or psychologist - could help in the end.

actually, i might start at the hospital next time looking for a gf because i could have wound up there last time. if you find your gf has a wicked side best to be shoving her on. i kept that one a bit too long because my little brother was too happy even in the land with many smiles in this sleepy suburb of pattaya.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]There is a new crowd of tourists/mongers coming to Pattaya and they have cash to burn![/QUOTE]

I had high hopes that the depression would impoverish this vile horde, but so far I've been disappointed.

[QUOTE=DG69]Ok, I am just back from a short time and I guess I will stay in Hotel and go early sleeping (it's now 02:34 am). But, let's try again, though I am sure I will not be able to convince you, since you even call the statement of others crap and what else, instead of arguing.
[/QUOTE]

The term "crap” was geared towards to the concept that big spender raise prices and affect the market. It was not personally directed towards you or anyone else. I used it because no one has ever shown any empirical evidence to support the claim you and others have made. Comparatively speaking, Pattaya and Thailand in general is still one of the most economical destinations for sex tourists the world over despite the big spenders claim which has been around for ages.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]This is flawed on so many levels, first there is no guarantee she is going to get 2000B from the next customer or even the next 100 customers, even if she asks for it because big spenders are the exception. [/QUOTE]
Remember we're talking about a Thai women who are pretty dumb. She doesn't think like we do. So it might take dozens of rejections at 2000ST(assuming she just got the 2000ST on the previous outing) for her to finally go down in price. So, the "spoiling of prices" can be short lived. That is one of the reasons prices drop in low season.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I had high hopes that the depression would impoverish this vile horde, but so far I've been disappointed.[/QUOTE]
Me too! The sex industry is recession proof, unfortunatley.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Me too! The sex industry is recession proof, unfortunatley.[/QUOTE]With the downturn in the economy during the past year many SPs in Canada are lowering prices and or offering specials.

Hello:

I will be returning to Pattaya after a 2 year abscence. Could someone tell me the names of the main massage parlors on what I believe was North Road. Had a fantastic experience there last time.

Also any general info about the mongering scene there would be appreciated.

Thank you.

All 3 massage parlours are on Second Road. Sabaii Room beside Big C, Sabaii Land and Sabaii Dee opposite Big C. There is one more named Diamond Massage Parlour in Soi Diamond beside the Diamond Beach Hotel near Walking Street.
Enjoy
Lemon Tree

Ok, just a few curious things that happens yesterday. First I went to a massage parlour to have a thai massage for 200 Baht. I choose the best looking girl in that parlour. She is a leggie 27 year old woman with a quite nice backside. So, I just came for the massage. Did not do any attempt to start something like touching her or make hinds for a happy ending. I did not even expect or hope for an happy ending, since I really just came for a massage. Anyway at the end she asked if I want a hand job.
Well, she asked for 300 Baht and I thought why not, but I have to admit that I never came by a hand job before. Even when the hand job was very sensual and I enjoyed it, I didn't came. So, she asked whats up. I told her I need to fcuk her otherwise I can't finish. She said it's not possible. I asked if I could move my dig between her buttocks. She found it strang but agreed. So, I did and it was fun, similar like a tit fcuk.
She seams also to like it, since my dick stimulate her brown eye. Her buttocks were oiled and suddenly I felt that I just had entered her backside a little bit. Well, I moved deeper very slowly and after a while I was full in. Well, it was an accident and I had no condom, but in the "heat of the fight" I just ignored. Well, it was really a very nice and unsuspected fcuk.

Than shortly before I went out at night, I got a call from a nice beach road girl. There are not much good looking ones at evening, but at 2 pm I saw some quite good looking ones. Later at 4 pm saw less, I guess the good looking ones were already taken.
That girl, her name is Mew I know from last week, when I saw her at beach road. I just exchanged telefon numbers but did not do her. A few days later she called me, if I want her for ST. I asked if she can do Anal and she said that she never did it and will not do. So, I replied that I don't want a ST then.
Yesterday she called again asked again if I want a ST. I asked if she forgot that she called me already and that I want do her anal. She said yes she remember. I asked if she now can do anal, if she had done before and why she changed her mind. She answered, she is young and need the money ;) she did it before and yes she can do anal if I pay her 1000 Baht.
Unfortunatelly I had already a plan for the night and so I said to her that I will call her later and that I now be busy.
I went to Diamond agogo there was a competition of Bangkok GoGo dancer against Diamond and Casino Gogo dancer. There were really alot of Stunners and the dance contest were quite interesting. I spend there about 3 hours and end with one of the girls there for a short time. It was the first time since I am in Pattaya, that I barfined a gogo girl. Normally I am into Freelancer, but this girl were just great. Fresh from Rayong and very sweet. Sex was very good, though without anal. Mew called me again later on, but since I just had sex with Bell (the girl from Diamond Agogo) I was not more in need of Mews service.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]I've been hearing this big spenders will spoil the market crap for years but the prices have basically remain at the same level they were years ago.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how you can say that, because they are not! I NEVER gave more than 1,500bath LT not even in pricey Phuket, and I'm picky when it comes to looks, now, in low sseason and a recession going on, I keep hearing too much figures above 2,000bath in Pattaya which was just a never heard of years ago. Also the attitude of some girls who happen to think they have an orizontal vagina (English natives may say their shit doesn't smell) was not so present years ago.
We all may have our theories, you may not agree with some of them, fine, but I'm contesting some facts here, prices are just not the same as they were...

[QUOTE=Henryv]Hello:

I will be returning to Pattaya after a 2 year abscence. Could someone tell me the names of the main massage parlors on what I believe was North Road. Had a fantastic experience there last time.

Also any general info about the mongering scene there would be appreciated.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]If you mean the Soapies (body massage then the main ones are on second road

By Soi 2 and Big C shopping,

Here is the photoguide which shows your the one and the others are just further along on the same side, click on the blue circles to move along the road.

[url]http://www.pattayaphotoguide.com/?SC2RUC8skccA[/url]

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Remember we're talking about a Thai women who are pretty dumb. She doesn't think like we do. So it might take dozens of rejections at 2000ST(assuming she just got the 2000ST on the previous outing) for her to finally go down in price. So, the "spoiling of prices" can be short lived. That is one of the reasons prices drop in low season.[/QUOTE]

I've really never noticed any sign that they're 'dumb', at least no more so than anyone else. Nor that they think differently, nor that prices drop much in low season. Good looking ones can definitely do well with that strategy - of setting the price very high and waiting for the desperate guy. They'll usually get it eventually, and the price level will keep skyrocketing as it has for years.

The biggest factor behind this is the desperation of western men - we simply have no options. Secondarily the very small and constantly declining supply of cute girls.

I'd just like to point out that there is nothing stupid about these girls, in my experience. They're sharp as tacks business women, certainly by comparison to their opponents - we horny men.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
...
I'd just like to point out that there is nothing stupid about these girls, in my experience. They're sharp as tacks business women, certainly by comparison to their opponents - we horny men.[/QUOTE]
Despite their education etc, they are very quick at counting money. But they are no economist to know the "Supply-Demand" theory. In fact this theory does not apply here. I think their MO is very simple; They make a plan for the day e.g 5000B+ according to their needs such as food, kids clothing, sick relatives etc... Less demand can mean a higher price because she would try to achieve her target for that day. The point is they are opportunist; whenever opportunity presents itself, she will just take it. Why not.

[QUOTE=DG69]Ok, just a few curious things that happens yesterday. First I went to a massage parlour to have a thai massage for 200 Baht. I choose the best looking girl in that parlour. She is a leggie 27 year old woman with a quite nice backside. So, I just came for the massage. Did not do any attempt to start something like touching her or make hinds for a happy ending. I did not even expect or hope for an happy ending, since I really just came for a massage. Anyway at the end she asked if I want a hand job.
Well, she asked for 300 Baht and I thought why not, but I have to admit that I never came by a hand job before. Even when the hand job was very sensual and I enjoyed it, I didn't came. So, she asked whats up. I told her I need to fcuk her otherwise I can't finish. She said it's not possible. I asked if I could move my dig between her buttocks. She found it strang but agreed. So, I did and it was fun, similar like a tit fcuk.
She seams also to like it, since my dick stimulate her brown eye. Her buttocks were oiled and suddenly I felt that I just had entered her backside a little bit. Well, I moved deeper very slowly and after a while I was full in. Well, it was an accident and I had no condom, but in the "heat of the fight" I just ignored. Well, it was really a very nice and unsuspected fcuk.[/QUOTE]
Would you mind sharing with us the name and location of this massage parlor?

Thanks a million

Thank you. Self-preservation required me to remove the info from my Palm Pilot. All looks familar now.

Had a great experience there. Found a gal who was 34 with one of the greatest bodies I have ever seen. Great service too. One of the very very few times I tried to connect later on. She gave me her no., called her but no go.

An interesting aside. I wanted to talk to the girl I first selected to make sure we were on the same page as far as service was concerned, and the Papasan said not problem. It turned out her english was Vassar perfect. When I asked her where she learned to speak english she literally stood up and walked away.

Anyway, looking forward to returning.

[QUOTE=Jackmeoff]If you mean the Soapies (body massage then the main ones are on second road

By Soi 2 and Big C shopping,

Here is the photoguide which shows your the one and the others are just further along on the same side, click on the blue circles to move along the road.

[url]http://www.pattayaphotoguide.com/?SC2RUC8skccA[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Opebo]The biggest factor behind this is the desperation of western men - we simply have no options. Secondarily the very small and constantly declining supply of cute girls.[/QUOTE]Is there an acknowledged decline in the supply of cute girls in Thailand that I haven't heard about so far? I was in Thailand a week ago for the first time so I have no basis for comparison. I wasn't overly impressed with the supply of girls in Soi Cowboy (Japanese seem to have captured this market because of their 3-3-3 MO), but there were many great looking girls in Pattaya.

Many guys I spoke with in Pattaya said there's many more (and beautiful) girls in High season than in Low season. So is Pattaya better in High season?

I agree with the desperation of western men. That's how I feel now that I'm home. Here I'm shunned by homely or chunky women. What has happened to this place?

Hi.

In a previous report a member mentioned club MixX.
Can someone tell me exactly where it is located in Pattaya.
Also do freelancers work there or is it a club for couples?

Thanks.
TC.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I've really never noticed any sign that they're 'dumb', at least no more so than anyone else. Nor that they think differently, nor that prices drop much in low season.I'd just like to point out that there is nothing stupid about these girls, in my experience. They're sharp as tacks business women, certainly by comparison to their opponents - we horny men.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I mean who is ending up with the money. Who has guys sending funds from afar. Who is getting gifts. Who makes more money than most people in Thai society. I hate to break the news to some of you, but it's not the girls who are the dumb ones! They may not have a lot of school education but they have street smarts in spades. They also understand the market for pussy pretty well and understand where they fit into all that. It gets me back to the prior discussion about Beach Road girls who are asking for 500 baht. These girls are not naive about this or in the dark about pricing - this is where they think they are in the food chain of go-go girls, bar girls, night time freelancers and day time freelancers. Girls know exactly what the going prices are and have to judge where they fall within the price ladder. Some may err for a while by asking too much or too little but the economy always adjusts eventually.

[QUOTE=Tcvve]Hi.

In a previous report a member mentioned club MixX.
Can someone tell me exactly where it is located in Pattaya.
Also do freelancers work there or is it a club for couples?

Thanks,

TC.[/QUOTE]Never heard of it but remember, Google is your friend, found on Google

Located on the third floor of the new Bali Hai Plaza shopping center at the foot of the bali Hai Pier, Mixx Nightlife is intended to help raise Pattaya’s entertainment scene to a new level of sophistication.


[url]http://www.mixx-nightlife.com/[/url]

Bali Hai plaza shopping is here on the left of picture, at the end of Walking street.


[url]http://www.pattayaphotoguide.com/?UrtRUPpmkcuE[/url]

[QUOTE=Tcvve]Hi.

In a previous report a member mentioned club MixX.
Can someone tell me exactly where it is located in Pattaya.
Also do freelancers work there or is it a club for couples?

Thanks.
TC.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been in Pattaya yet. I will be there about 3 weeks. But I googled and found this site:

[url]http://www.mixx-nightlife.com/[/url]

It is located on Soi 1 (Located on the third floor of the new Bali Hai Plaza shopping center at the foot of the bali Hai Pier)

According to the site The Mixx Nightlife Discothek is actually two discos in one, offering 10.000 square feet of pure entertainment.

Mixx is right at the end of Walking St. towards the port, you'll see it on your left, can't miss it. Music is good, r&b room is always full while the house music room is always empty, plenty of girls too. Of course freelancers work there, but unfortunately, nightlife in Pattaya is starting later and later, the place will be alive well over 3am and by that time it is very likely that most of the cute ones will already be there coupled, but still, very good alternative in my view.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Absolutely. I mean who is ending up with the money. Who has guys sending funds from afar. Who is getting gifts. Who makes more money than most people in Thai society. I hate to break the news to some of you, but it's not the girls who are the dumb ones! [/QUOTE]
The girls are dumb and the only people they outsmart are stupid guys, which is pretty much the majority of those visiting pattaya now days. If they are so smart, why are they supporting their deadbeat boyfriends with the money they earned from selling sex?

They never outsmart me and I will speak for the majority of long term guys in LOS. You can't survive long in this place if you are stupid.

Thais(including all the pros) are not smart people. They are just lucky and spoiled!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]The girls are dumb and the only people they outsmart are stupid guys,
Thais(including all the pros) are not smart people. They are just lucky and spoiled![/QUOTE]

Perhaps you just prefer being around the dumb ones so that you can maintain your sense of superiority. It must be wonderful being you.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]They never outsmart me and I will speak for the majority of long term guys in LOS. You can't survive long in this place if you are stupid.[/QUOTE]For some time, I had pretty much the same line of thinking as you did, though I was a bit too polite to put it in words. Then, I got drugged by a Bangkok freelancer and robbed of a huge amount of cash (this in spite of speaking Thai, having great security in my place including CCTV, safe etc.) She looked like the sweetest girl on Earth, but was clearly a professional, and truly good at her job.

Hard way to learn to have a bit more respect for people... Amjeck, for your own good, you need to adjust your attitude before it's too late.

Small update about the Brazilian grill and bar at Central Festival Centre. The name is Zicos and it offers Brazilian Churascoria. That mean for 750 Baht you get 15 different kinds of grilled meat and seafood + Salad Bar + unlimited Caipiroska, as far I understood. Sounds really good and I guess I will try it the next days.

@David 2, I will tell more details when I am off from Pattaya. Since I will stay until middle of July and I will come back to the massage parlour from time to time, it would be stupid from me to tell before. You never know there are alot of guys outside whose book a girl for days or weeks and that would mean I would not see her again during my holiday... I am not a jealous guy and I even would like that this girl would make more money even with other guys, but other guys think often not in the same way and try to keep a girl only for themselfs.
Also, she told me about her boyfriend from Denmark, who send her money and want marry her, so I will answer on your messages and not post in public area.;-)

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Perhaps you just prefer being around the dumb ones so that you can maintain your sense of superiority. [/QUOTE]
No, I don't agree with you there.

The InternationalSexGuide Forum's Pattaya section has been a kind of philosophical forum in the last days. Discussions about whether Thai women are dumbs or not has been the main issue. What a waste to discuss such an issue, as the answer would be as the answer to the question "whether the bird or the egg is the first one". Well, I would say your answer can never convince nobody whose thoughts are the very opposite of your thougths. Albert Einstein was right: the theory of relativity is true. Or as it was written in Quran: your religion is yours, my religion is mine.

Gentelmen, lets talk about sex and how to reach it!

Can someone inform about the recent situation of Beach Road women?

I have received no answer for these questions posted a few days ago.

Could someone please try to infome me ?

Thanks in advance.

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Gents,

I'll be in BKK for the last week of July and I'll stay an all week there just for my favorite sports.

I was wondering if Pataya would be worth the visit, leaving BKK in the morning and going back in the evening.

How is the beach?

Could I come alone with my things, abandon them on the sand and go swimming for 15 minutes, and still found them when I come back?

Do they have public showers on the beach to get rid of the salt and sand?

If I want to visit some hot spot during day time with no hotel in Pataya, what would you recommend?

Thanks for your advises.

[QUOTE=DG69]Small update about the Brazilian grill and bar at Central Festival Centre. [/QUOTE]

I would rather hear about the Brazilian girl than Brazilian grill. :-))

Yes, let's get back to more important subjects. Like what is going on at beach road. I will be in LOS next month. Was thinking 3 days BKK and 3 days Pattaya. Kinda like shopping for the FLs on Beach Road. Would appreciate current info or comments

Thanks

you DO understand croc that there is BENEFIT to using a "neutral bedroom" - it sounds like you took her home. A short time room might cost a bit more but it is a LOT easier to only have a minimum amount of money on you and nothing worth stealing. I usually don't carry more than 2000B anyway (less after I spend some of it - ATM card stays in the room safe)

That's one of the benefits to having the ID checked first by a hotel - THEY know who to look for (some of them even make a copy of the ID)

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]For some time, I had pretty much the same line of thinking as you did, though I was a bit too polite to put it in words. Then, I got drugged by a Bangkok freelancer and robbed of a huge amount of cash (this in spite of speaking Thai, having great security in my place including CCTV, safe etc.) She looked like the sweetest girl on Earth, but was clearly a professional, and truly good at her job.

Hard way to learn to have a bit more respect for people... Amjeck, for your own good, you need to adjust your attitude before it's too late.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about your experience, but I'm interested in the full story.

Could you tell us exactly how she pulled the heist? Did you have your "huge amount of cash" in your safe? If so, how did she get to it? Or did you have it just lying around in your room? How did she avoid the "great seurity" and CCTV?

The reason I ask is because I too like to take girls back to my place where I feel most comfortable; my building has great security too; and I keep any amounts of cash over 3000 baht or so in my room safe. If a girl tried to steal my laptop computer or any other large items, she'd have to get past security, and that would be difficult.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]I have received no answer for these questions posted a few days ago.

Could someone please try to infome me ?

Thanks in advance.

= = = = = = =

Gents,

I'll be in BKK for the last week of July and I'll stay an all week there just for my favorite sports.

I was wondering if Pataya would be worth the visit, leaving BKK in the morning and going back in the evening.

How is the beach?

Could I come alone with my things, abandon them on the sand and go swimming for 15 minutes, and still found them when I come back?

Do they have public showers on the beach to get rid of the salt and sand?

If I want to visit some hot spot during day time with no hotel in Pataya, what would you recommend?

Thanks for your advises.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is worth seeing if you have never been there, but I'm not sure I would bother going for just a few hours. It's about 1.5 - 2 hours each way by taxi, longer by bus.

The beach is not great, and I would not swim in the sea. If you bought a drink on the beach and left your things in the charge of the beach bar then I think they would be safe, except for your Rolex...! Don't remember seeing any showers, but there may be.

With no hotel room your choice is one of the few soapie massage parlours (I've never tried), or a ST in Soi 6 (I've never tried). Perhaps someone else can advise?

My strong advice would be to get a hotel room and stay o/n. Even if you have booked in BKK everything is cheaper in Pattaya and you can probably save the cost with one LT. A good room can be had for under 1000Bht, an OK room for 500+Bht.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]...Don't remember seeing any showers, but there may be...[/QUOTE]
There are several businesses all along Beach Road offering toilet for 5 baht and shower for 10 baht for beach goers, (look for the signs). All the massage parlors allow you to shower before and after an oil or soapy massage. Soi 6 lady bars have rooms upstairs where you can shower.

I like Pattaya much better than BKK for mongering, but don't think it would be worth going there for such a short time. You are better off and will have a lot more fun booking a hotel for at least one or two nights.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Gents,

I'll be in BKK for the last week of July and I'll stay an all week there just for my favorite sports.

I was wondering if Pataya would be worth the visit, leaving BKK in the morning and going back in the evening.

How is the beach?

Could I come alone with my things, abandon them on the sand and go swimming for 15 minutes, and still found them when I come back?

Do they have public showers on the beach to get rid of the salt and sand?

If I want to visit some hot spot during day time with no hotel in Pataya, what would you recommend?

Thanks for your advises.[/QUOTE]Not sure how long your staying in Bangkok but you really need to spend more time in Pattaya.

If you are sure you just want to go for the day then I would book a cheap room in Pattaya for about 500. 600 baht to enable you to store your clothes and to have somewhere to shower and take a woman for fun.

Sawasdee has rooms from 500 baht (without in room safe) and there are cheaper versions all over the place.

[url]http://sawasdee-hotels.com/pattaya/sawasdee_court/index.html[/url]

When I first went to Thailand 5 years ago I stayed for 9 nights in Bangkok, then I read up about Pattaya and have stayed there every year since then (straight from the airport to Pattaya)

Its going to cost you 2400 baht approx for a return taxi, 2. 4 hours out of your life for the travelling. Why bother, spend a couple of days in patts and then next time you go to Thailand you will not bother with Bangkok.

I am 171 days from wheels up, flying premium class on Emirates and I head straight for Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Could you tell us exactly how she pulled the heist? Did you have your "huge amount of cash" in your safe? If so, how did she get to it? Or did you have it just lying around in your room? How did she avoid the "great security" and CCTV? [/QUOTE]In the interest of general safety, here are a few tips on avoiding getting robbed by a freelancer (posting to this forum since you asked here.- maybe this belongs to General or Safe Sex thread).

* There is no practical way to prevent a freelancer from drugging you. I don't drink, and the only food we shared was a snack that I bought at 7-11. Even with no shared food, they'd find a way. The girl was very sweet.- if you lined up 10 random freelancers she'd be the one I'd *least* suspect of doing it.

* No way to avoid being a target (except never hooking up with any girls, of course). I'm a long-term resident, who speaks Thai and knows his way around, wearing 500 baht worth of MBK clothes and living in a place that's solid but not flashy. I thought I'd just not make a good target. Wrong assumption.

* There was no period of dizziness after being drugged, no time to react. I just remember lying down by her and waking up 18h later.

* Do not use a key-based safe, use a combination-based one (so if she drugs you, she still doesn't know the code). If you must use a key-based safe (I had one provided by the building), hide the key apart from your other keys. Generally, a safe is a mixed-blessing, on one hand it's "safe", on the other it screams "all valuables are here" (especially tricky if you can't fully trust management of the building).

* Make every visitor leave ID with the guard and make sure the guard writes down her info. This is the most important step, *always* do it, no exceptions. I was stupid enough not to do it (in my culture, asking for someone's ID is insulting). Without the ID there is nothing that can be done. CCTV is useless, face will never be clear enough (40x40 blurry pixels at best), and even with clear face shot.- what can police do?

* Security guards are useless, except for writing the details from their ID. My building requires a card swipe on exit, but the guard failed to see that she got out alone (I. E. I didn't open the door for her). She talked to her briefly and let her go.- a cute girl can pass by a guard easily.

To put things into perspective, I'm not saying freelancers in general are dangerous.- but do it enough times, and you'll hit upon a bad one.

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[QUOTE=Dinghy]you DO understand croc that there is BENEFIT to using a "neutral bedroom" - it sounds like you took her home. A short time room might cost a bit more but it is a LOT easier to only have a minimum amount of money on you and nothing worth stealing. I usually don't carry more than 2000B anyway (less after I spend some of it - ATM card stays in the room safe)

That's one of the benefits to having the ID checked first by a hotel - THEY know who to look for (some of them even make a copy of the ID)[/QUOTE]Thank you for the sensible advice, I know all this after the fact

I dislike using ST rooms. I like to take my time and relax with a girl. And after the deed is done can't be bothered to trek across town. ST places are rarely anywhere close to clean.- rolling in the sheets with 10 other guy's cum on them, and being grossed of touching anything is unappealing. Works fine for a bang-thank-you 10-minute routine, but not for my usual date.

All the cash was in the safe, not on me.- I never carry over 5k baht. She opened the safe, though. ATM cards can be cancelled within minutes and can't be used without a PIN, so they're not a huge concern (except for the inconvenience of not having backup money).

Insisting on the guard / reception keeping the ID *and* writing down the details is the only sensible precaution as far as I see (apart from having a combination safe and not a key-based one).

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]Thai women are dumbs or not has been the main issue. What a waste to discuss such an issue, as the answer would be as the answer to the question "whether the bird or the egg is the first one". [/QUOTE]
I agree. Let's move on. We all have our own opinions. I really do believe, however, that these girls are way too spoiled.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]For some time, I had pretty much the same line of thinking as you did, though I was a bit too polite to put it in words. Then, I got drugged by a Bangkok freelancer and robbed of a huge amount of cash (this in spite of speaking Thai, having great security in my place including CCTV, safe etc.) She looked like the sweetest girl on Earth, but was clearly a professional, and truly good at her job.

Hard way to learn to have a bit more respect for people... Amjeck, for your own good, you need to adjust your attitude before it's too late.[/QUOTE]
That sucks big time. Never let your guard down in LOS. No Thai person can be trusted!

Yes, I would also be interested in how it was done. How were you drugged? How did she get into your safe.

Relating the details would help us all.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Sorry about your experience, but I'm interested in the full story.

Could you tell us exactly how she pulled the heist? Did you have your "huge amount of cash" in your safe? If so, how did she get to it? Or did you have it just lying around in your room? How did she avoid the "great seurity" and CCTV?

The reason I ask is because I too like to take girls back to my place where I feel most comfortable; my building has great security too; and I keep any amounts of cash over 3000 baht or so in my room safe. If a girl tried to steal my laptop computer or any other large items, she'd have to get past security, and that would be difficult.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackmeoff]Not sure how long your staying in Bangkok but you really need to spend more time in Pattaya.

If you are sure you just want to go for the day then I would book a cheap room in Pattaya for about 500. 600 baht to enable you to store your clothes and to have somewhere to shower and take a woman for fun.

Sawasdee has rooms from 500 baht (without in room safe) and there are cheaper versions all over the place.

[url]http://sawasdee-hotels.com/pattaya/sawasdee_court/index.html[/url]

When I first went to Thailand 5 years ago I stayed for 9 nights in Bangkok, then I read up about Pattaya and have stayed there every year since then (straight from the airport to Pattaya)

Its going to cost you 2400 baht approx for a return taxi, 2. 4 hours out of your life for the travelling. Why bother, spend a couple of days in patts and then next time you go to Thailand you will not bother with Bangkok.

I am 171 days from wheels up, flying premium class on Emirates and I head straight for Pattaya.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mouse1]Pattaya is worth seeing if you have never been there, but I'm not sure I would bother going for just a few hours. It's about 1.5 - 2 hours each way by taxi, longer by bus.

The beach is not great, and I would not swim in the sea. If you bought a drink on the beach and left your things in the charge of the beach bar then I think they would be safe, except for your Rolex...! Don't remember seeing any showers, but there may be.

With no hotel room your choice is one of the few soapie massage parlours (I've never tried), or a ST in Soi 6 (I've never tried). Perhaps someone else can advise?

My strong advice would be to get a hotel room and stay o/n. Even if you have booked in BKK everything is cheaper in Pattaya and you can probably save the cost with one LT. A good room can be had for under 1000Bht, an OK room for 500+Bht.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daddy07]There are several businesses all along Beach Road offering toilet for 5 baht and shower for 10 baht for beach goers, (look for the signs). All the massage parlors allow you to shower before and after an oil or soapy massage. Soi 6 lady bars have rooms upstairs where you can shower.

I like Pattaya much better than BKK for mongering, but don't think it would be worth going there for such a short time. You are better off and will have a lot more fun booking a hotel for at least one or two nights.[/QUOTE]Thanks folks, I appreciate the good sense advise.

Now, I've been 3 times in Bkk and always found it fantastic.

I stayed twice in the Nana hotel with everything I wanted within short walks.

I can still stay 3/4 days at the Nana and then move to Pataya.

What hotel would you recommend that could be compared to the Bkk's Nana ?

I understood from the website that the Sawasdee recommended by Jakemeoff is maybe not the same kind of hotel.

You say that prices are much better in Pattaya than Bkk.

Could I have examples?

MP, ST, LT, ...

Thanks again for any good advices.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]* There is no practical way to prevent a freelancer from drugging you. I don't drink, and the only food we shared was a snack that I bought at 7-11. Even with no shared food, they'd find a way. The girl was very sweet.- if you lined up 10 random freelancers she'd be the one I'd *least* suspect of doing it.[/QUOTE]How is she going to drug you and get your cash if you don't eat the food she brings, don't lick her drug laced tits, don't let her stick her fingers in your mouth, etc?

[QUOTE=Henryv]Yes, I would also be interested in how it was done. How were you drugged? How did she get into your safe.

Relating the details would help us all.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]He has, check about 5 posts below.

Will be there by end of July, exactly 1 year after firt visit to LOS.

5 days Pattaya, 5 days Phuket, 5 days Bangkok

Can't wait!

[QUOTE=Henryv]Yes, I would also be interested in how it was done. How were you drugged? How did she get into your safe.

Relating the details would help us all.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how the girl would be able to get into the safe -- she must be a professional safe cracker as well. I can speak from personal experience that 'how you were drugged' is often an unanswerable question. I got drugged at a hotel once (not in Bangkok, but in Thailand) when I didn't even have a girl in the room. It must have been done by hotel staff. I deduced that it must have been put into the complimentary bottle of water that was in the room. They cleaned me out of a bit of cash, my camera and passport. Luckily they left me my debit card, which I was able to use to get myself back to BKK where I was able to get a replacement passport within a few days. The water was the only thing I consumed in the room, and I was alone. If you're there with someone and drink and eat, you can probably just guess what it was that was drugged.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]

Insisting on the guard / reception keeping the ID *and* writing down the details is the only sensible precaution as far as I see (apart from having a combination safe and not a key-based one).[/QUOTE]

Oops, I missed this post. Yeah a key-based safe isn't exactly very safe, is it. Only way to keep it secure is to hide the key in a place no one could possibly find. That's a bit of work. And let's face it, it usualy won't occur to most of us to do until the girl is in the room -- and so how do you hide the key well enough that it can't be found WHILE the girl is there with you in the room? I suppose you could wait til she's showering. Anyway, it all seems like a bit of stress that can be avoided by getting a room with a combination safe instead. The last thing I want to be thinking about in a moment like that is finding a good hiding place for a key.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Anyway, it all seems like a bit of stress that can be avoided by getting a room with a combination safe instead. The last thing I want to be thinking about in a moment like that is finding a good hiding place for a key.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's the answer. Trustworthy hotel security box is another way to go re passports & other valuables, keeping photocopies separate in case shit happens. With bank and credit cards and TCs there is no need to keep much cash on you or in your residence at any time.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]What hotel would you recommend that could be compared to the BKK's Nana?

I understood from the website that the Sawasdee recommended by Jakemeoff is maybe not the same kind of hotel.

You say that prices are much better in Pattaya than BKK.

Could I have examples?

MP, ST, LT, .

Thanks again for any good advices.[/QUOTE]Hi, I do not recommend the Sawasdee hotel, I just pointed it out as a cheap hotel for the day.

Never stayed at the Nana (I stayed at the Grand president in Soi 11) but looking at prices the Nana shows for about 1100 baht per night for the cheapest room.

So to show some hotels in that price range there is the Summer Spring, right on Beach road and a brand new hotel just opened for 1200 baht per night until October, stay 7 nights get one free.

[url]http://www.summerspringhotel.com/accommodation.html[/url]

Pattay bay resort, 999 baht per night pay for 6 nights get one free

[url]http://pattayabayresort.com/default. Aspx[/url]

Both are good hotels, the Pattaya bay resort is back from the beach behind second road, but very well recommended from people who have stayed there.

In my trips to Pattaya I have stayed in the

Sabai lodge (dolphin pool cottage room)

[url]http://www.sabailodge. Co. Th/dolphin_pool.html[/url]

LK Metropole (one bedroom suite)

[url]http://www.lkpattayahotel.com/metropole/accom_1bed.html[/url]

Last year I was supposed to stay in the Sandy spring hotel in a seaview suite but because of the problems at Suvarnabhumi airport last christmas I diverted to the Philippines.

So this year I am booked for the Sandy spring seaview suite again and hopefully I will get in there this time as I have wanted that one right on beach road and Soi 13.

[url]http://www.sandyspringhotel.com/[/url]

I booked this hotel above from the Scandibar website as they take a booking without needing credit card information before you arrive, you just pay the hotel and scandibar give you a free beer per day at their bar.

[url]http://www.scandibar.com/hotel/[/url]

As I said previously, I much prefer Pattaya as its a beach resort and much more fun for me than Bangkok.

Gentemen,

I have mongered extensively in bangkok but only Russian, uzbek, kazak women.

Mostly from CM2, Spasso and sometimes from Spicy.

Now i have never mongered in Pattaya. From what I have read in the forum there are Russian, Uzbek, kazak women available in Pattaya. but no mention of their rating in terms of looks and service.

I know the generally these women do not offer great service but i have been able to extract the service that I want from them.

So my question to senior mongers in Pattaya is are the Russians, uzbeks, kazak, etc better looking in bangkok or Pattaya.

I am planning my next upcoming trip and need to decide to I need to go to pattay or just stay in bangkok like always.

Comments would be appreciated.

Thanks gents.

-AC

[QUOTE=AsianChaos]Gentemen,

I have mongered extensively in bangkok but only Russian, uzbek, kazak women.

Mostly from CM2, Spasso and sometimes from Spicy.

Now i have never mongered in Pattaya. From what I have read in the forum there are Russian, Uzbek, kazak women available in Pattaya. but no mention of their rating in terms of looks and service.

I know the generally these women do not offer great service but i have been able to extract the service that I want from them.

So my question to senior mongers in Pattaya is are the Russians, uzbeks, kazak, etc better looking in bangkok or Pattaya.

I am planning my next upcoming trip and need to decide to I need to go to pattay or just stay in bangkok like always.

Comments would be appreciated.

Thanks gents.

-AC[/QUOTE]

I never went with a Russian, Uzbek or kazak Hooker in Thailand, but with Russian tourists girls. Had Ukrainian Hooker in Dubai and there service were quite good.
In Pattaya are alot of Uzbek or Kazak or similar Hooker on walking street and even on beach road. But, they are by far less pretty than what you will find in CM2, Spasso or Spicy. Maybe same standard of what you can find in lower Sukhumvit in BKK.
There are some Russian or CIS girls in Tonis and MixX, I guess they available for money as well, but as far I can say less pretty than in BKK. The pretty ones are definatelly tourists. No, problem to score them if you are charming, good looking and adventurous. Though let me asure you, the Russian Tourist girls don't ask for money, but in the end they are by far more expensive than the most expensive Thai stunner.;-)

[QUOTE=DG69]...................... The pretty ones are definatelly tourists. No, problem to score them if you are charming, good looking and adventurous. Though let me asure you, the Russian Tourist girls don't ask for money, but in the end they are by far more expensive than the most expensive Thai stunner.;-)[/QUOTE]

Fully agree and can also add that these ''tourists'' can be found most days lounging behind large sunglasses at beaches on Koh Larn, particularly at Samai Beach.

Often seen in skimpy bikinis and topless too, so one can get a look at the goods before trying the 'charm' etc.

Gotta be worth the 20 baht ferry ride.

Cheers, FF

What hotel was it?

[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure how the girl would be able to get into the safe -- she must be a professional safe cracker as well. I can speak from personal experience that 'how you were drugged' is often an unanswerable question. I got drugged at a hotel once (not in Bangkok, but in Thailand) when I didn't even have a girl in the room. It must have been done by hotel staff. I deduced that it must have been put into the complimentary bottle of water that was in the room. They cleaned me out of a bit of cash, my camera and passport. Luckily they left me my debit card, which I was able to use to get myself back to BKK where I was able to get a replacement passport within a few days. The water was the only thing I consumed in the room, and I was alone. If you're there with someone and drink and eat, you can probably just guess what it was that was drugged.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv]What hotel was it?[/QUOTE]

It was in Trat, the one right next to the bus station, by the market, same side of street. A dump but I wasn't up for wandering around looking for something better carrying all my luggage with me. Was only going to be there one night, catching another bus to Cambodia border in morning. Well, that was the original plan anyway.

Soi 6 - I went to a few of the bars there and was quoted in the order of 300-400 for the onsite room and 500-700 for the lady to 'go uptair?' Negotiable of course. Seemed like there were plenty of ladies to go round so negotiable means down. However, I saw one expat really screw the price down. The look on the TG face when he was not observing did not bode well for the final level of service. (There is such a thing as being too clever by half). Beers 60-80B for a small bottle.


I thought it a nice touch in one of the bars when one of the ladies went 'uptair' with a 'fren', one of the other ladies changed the song being played to 'F**k Her Gently'. (Which tells me that some of them are quite clever enough, thank you).

Nice cheap steak in the British pub half way along the Soi. Cost about 300B and 95B for imported half pints beer.

Idle wondering. Has anyone ever worried about getting brained by falling coconuts on Beach Road?

Was quoted 1700B for the time in one of the 2nd Rd places near Soi 1/2 (Sabailand??? - my lamentable memory). Ladies selection ordinary imo. Not into silicon at all.

When I finally managed to get to Angelwitch, on my last day, I was stunned to see the knockout beauty and sex appeal of some of the numbered girls on stage. I'm a merciless connoisseur when it comes to women, which meant I usually chose the go go-girls instead of the bargirls. However, some of the Angelwitch-girls blew the gogo-girls I had seen clear out of the water. I'm talking about the ones with a number tag, not the dancers, guess they're not generally available. However, it was my last night and I already had a date, so I was unable to get anything out of it. I still remember their numbers, even though it's months ago since I left: 1, 2, 12, 75 and 82. Etched in my mind, perfect manga 18-23 year old vixens.

Now that I'm going back I'm looking to make them blow more than just my mind this time. What's the price? Any strategies except telling which one to come over? I'm a bit amazed that these girls are for hire, when they could use their looks to earn a good living in other ways, or become some rich schmuck's lover instead. I guess they will cause significant hemorrhage to my wallet, but I don't care. My life's purpose has become to nail as many women of this quality as possible, and I'll go through hell to get there.

[QUOTE=Tantrik]When I finally managed to get to Angelwitch, on my last day, I was stunned to see the knockout beauty and sex appeal of some of the numbered girls on stage................

................What's the price? Any strategies except telling which one to come over? I'm a bit amazed that these girls are for hire, when they could use their looks to earn a good living in other ways, or become some rich schmuck's lover instead. I guess they will cause significant hemorrhage to my wallet, but I don't care. My life's purpose has become to nail as many women of this quality as possible, and I'll go through hell to get there.[/QUOTE]

Well for your life's purpose you are IMHO in the right place, look around and these kind of girls are available all over Pattaya.

As for the Angelwitch girls, I was there a couple of weeks ago and remember some of the 'numbers' you quoted.
If you play it well they will not cause as much damage to your wallet as you may think.

It is easy, just invite any one you fancy down for a (lady) drink - cost is 150 THB, then start negotiating with her asap. LT if you can get it, or in fact need it (depends on the time of night) will be around 2000 THB. If she fits your bill then 'barfine' her for 600 THB paid to the Mamasan, then depart with her to do as you wish.

Alternative methods are dodgy but work well on occasions. After inviting her down for the drink, tell her you are busy but want to see her later or next day and see if you can get her mobile number. If she is caught giving it to you then she will get into trouble.
A better method I used was to have my own (local mobile) number printed out on small strips of paper which I show the girl and then conceal in a 20 THB tip. Do this to a few girls in different bars and wait for them to SMS or call you later that night or next day. It obviously avoids the barfines and often negotiations work out much cheaper as she will not be busy and in need of the cash.

Whichever way you do it, they are there for the taking and price is the only factor, although some can work out cheaper than others.

Cheers, FF

Thanks a lot, Fifty Fifty. Around 2000 thb for a superstar at Pattaya's best strip club sounds a bit hopeful to me, but I'm no old Pattaya hand, so you may be right. Would be really great if it was so. I spent a few nights looking for diamonds, but I didn't see many approaching that standard, and certainly not 5 of them at the same place. Maybe I was just dumbstruck by the music and the show. Anyway, thanks again.

This place is a rip off. Be careful. Unattractive girls for a large amount of money. Run by a couple of cowboys. This place was shut down by the police a few months ago, but it has now reopened. Much cheaper and better options in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tantrik]Thanks a lot, Fifty Fifty. Around 2000 thb for a superstar at Pattaya's best strip club sounds a bit hopeful to me, but I'm no old Pattaya hand, so you may be right. Would be really great if it was so. I spent a few nights looking for diamonds, but I didn't see many approaching that standard, and certainly not 5 of them at the same place. Maybe I was just dumbstruck by the music and the show. Anyway, thanks again.[/QUOTE]Maybe Fifty is a young handsome stud who can wow the TGs.

In BKK 2K will get you about one hour or a ST, not LT which if she is even open to will be at least 3K if your very lucky.

The mouse disagrees. But each to their own.

[QUOTE=Bonds25]This place is a rip off. Be careful. Unattractive girls for a large amount of money. Run by a couple of cowboys. This place was shut down by the police a few months ago, but it has now reopened. Much cheaper and better options in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

I have 4 nights coming up in LOS next week, and I need to make the most of every night. It'll be my second trip, although the first one barely counts as I only had 24 hours in BKK.

Now that I have a little more time I'm tempted to try Pattaya also. But part of me thinks it would be a waste of time. Since it's a short stay my main consideration is not saving money, but getting the best looking young ladies possible. If the odds of that are lower in Pattaya, I don't know if it's worth going. Service is somewhat important too, but looks are #1

So lets break out that old chestnut again. If you only had 4 nights, and looks was #1, would you bother with Patts? I'll post this is the BKK section and I wonder if the responses will be different.

I spoke to some locals about where to find the best gogo girls. They said AngelWitch. I went there twice, but I just didn't see a lot of quality. I found better looking women at Sisterz and 'The Airport Club'. Although the fact that Sisterz has a ladyboy dancing on stage makes me want to gag!

The Airport Club is the first place I've ever been rejected by a prostitute. Usually they are glad to go with me since I look pretty good. It really hurt. I was telling some British guys about it. One of them said, 'Well she's a ***** for fucks sake! '. I know, I know, but it was still depressing. Her name is 'Song'. Check her out if you're in Pattaya. She's amazing!

Sisterz has a great fucking show by the way! The only reason I went in there is because I barfined a girl from 'Catz A Go Go' and as we were walking back to my hotel (Marriot Resort and Spa, what a paradise! ) she said, 'Let's go see lesbian show, I want to lick lady pussey.' She also said, 'I not gay, just like lick lady pussey.' Who's she kiddging anyway? After that trip I made nighly visits to see the great show.

Rio Fan loves Pattaya!

DEAD early! more people around 4:00 AM. Many Arabs. Beutiful place with two large rooms. I don't bother after checking it out a couple times. Insomnia for me:-)
[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I haven't been in Pattaya yet. I will be there about 3 weeks. But I googled and found this site:

[url]http://www.mixx-nightlife.com/[/url]

It is located on Soi 1 (Located on the third floor of the new Bali Hai Plaza shopping center at the foot of the bali Hai Pier)

According to the site The Mixx Nightlife Discothek is actually two discos in one, offering 10.000 square feet of pure entertainment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonds25]This place is a rip off. Be careful. Unattractive girls for a large amount of money. Run by a couple of cowboys. This place was shut down by the police a few months ago, but it has now reopened. Much cheaper and better options in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

You don’t like cowboys?:( They are charging the same fees as before, same concept as Eden in Bkk which for the most part gets positive reviews so why are they a "rip off?"

[url]http://devilsdenpattaya.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann]They are charging the same fees as before, same concept as Eden in Bkk which for the most part gets positive reviews so why are they a "rip off?"[/url][/QUOTE]

I think calling them a ripoff is a bit strong but if they're still charging the same prices as Eden then they're expensive in Pattaya. Pattaya prices have traditionally always been 1/2 of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mong1225]I have 4 nights coming up in LOS next week, and I need to make the most of every night. It'll be my second trip, although the first one barely counts as I only had 24 hours in BKK.

Now that I have a little more time I'm tempted to try Pattaya also. But part of me thinks it would be a waste of time. Since it's a short stay my main consideration is not saving money, but getting the best looking young ladies possible. If the odds of that are lower in Pattaya, I don't know if it's worth going. Service is somewhat important too, but looks are #1

So lets break out that old chestnut again. If you only had 4 nights, and looks was #1, would you bother with Patts? I'll post this is the BKK section and I wonder if the responses will be different.[/QUOTE]For me I have done both and its Pattaya for me every time now but I don't worry about stunners looks, I prefer a fun time with a good looking girl.

There are plenty of stunners in Pattaya if thats what your after but what is a stunner, one stunner to you maybe not my type of stunner.

If service to you is only "somewhat" important and looks are No 1 then you want a trophy girl who looks good walking around on your arm, I prefer a girl with the right attitude, a lovely friendly and warm smile and someone who will want to be with me.

Plus Pattaya is a sea resort with a lot less smoke and smog than in Bangkok, I remember when I first landed at Don Muang airport and walked out to the taxi area and the smoke hit me so badly I was coughing for days and walking along Sukhumvit road (Bangkok)/Silom etc, was equally as bad at times.

Pattaya for me, 168 days to wheels up.

Are the crackdowns still a daily occurrence on the Beach Road? I'm trying to decide whether to return to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Are the crackdowns still a daily occurrence on the Beach Road? I'm trying to decide whether to return to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Is university/teaching over for the summer?

Why would they crack down during the low season in this economic crisis? Are the cops hurting financially and looking to extract 1000 Baht notes from SW working girls there, like they do to them around NEP in BKK? Maybe it would be 500 Baht bills in Pattaya, eh, as I understand that 500 is a common ST price there while it's usually 1000 in BKK.

Are the cops chasing away all the SWs on Beach Road? Is Pattaya a WOT in that case? {I know BKK would be significantly less desirable if there were no SWs around, and I would likely turn to the FL market in places like Thermae and BG.) Surely the BR WGs have gone some where. Maybe you can find out where they are going instead. Of course if you had phone numbers from when you've been there before, it might not matter so much if there is a crackdown or not, since you could still contact some of them.

If you don't return to Pattaya, what are the alternatives for you? Bangkok {is more expensive}? Cambodia {far away}? Online porn? OP can do me for months at a time till I get to LOS and am very hungry for a female body, although after a few months of them every day I'm bored and craving OP again in Canada.

If a girl is going to take the risk to steel from you, then it is also worth the risk to get a fake ID. Some hotel I have been to, the security guards will not release the girl until they have spoken to the customer to confirm everything is ok.
But if you don’t answer the phone, would they persist or just let her go!

Combination safe are not so great either, as some have a overriding combination No set at factory, which many hotel do not change. Even if they do change, this No is widely known throughout hotel staff.

I know one preset No, of a commonly used safe to be 159A.

If you are in that line of business, I am sure you could find out many more!

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Sorry about your experience, but I'm interested in the full story.

Could you tell us exactly how she pulled the heist? Did you have your "huge amount of cash" in your safe? If so, how did she get to it? Or did you have it just lying around in your room? How did she avoid the "great seurity" and CCTV?

The reason I ask is because I too like to take girls back to my place where I feel most comfortable; my building has great security too; and I keep any amounts of cash over 3000 baht or so in my room safe. If a girl tried to steal my laptop computer or any other large items, she'd have to get past security, and that would be difficult.[/QUOTE]

Pattaya is just way way way more full on than Bangkok for girls...it is just absolutely everywhere...the town is there for only one purpose and that is sex..it is quite simply the worlds biggest outdoor brothel..literally!! Every street, every bar every hotel..it is unbeleivable first time you see it.

BUT in my opinion if you just purely want the best looking girls and are not concerned about money then you wil find everything you need in Bangkok for certain..in fact I and many people i know beleive that Bangkok is a much better destination for whoring than Pattaya...you wont find anything in Pattaya that you wont find in Bangkok....there is just a lot more of it in Pattaya but the quality is largely very low there in my opinion...and the stunners there ask the same as Bangkok anyway...

In my opinion it is actually harder to get the stunners in Pattaya and i think it is a different game down there than to Bangkok...it is almost as if they prefer the "bad boys" in Pattaya...

Pattaya is a spectacle worth seeing but for pure whoring probaly better off in Bangkok if time is limted...but you should make the efort to mix it up and also get out to Ratchadapisek road in the afternoons and not just get stuck in Nana and Cowboy (forget Patpong, it is a total waste of time in my opinion..

[QUOTE=Opebo]Are the crackdowns still a daily occurrence on the Beach Road? I'm trying to decide whether to return to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya for two weeks the middle of June. I spoke with two older gentlemen (65 and 70) who identified themselves as 'economic refugees' from the UK. I asked them why the girls along the beach road didn't look so good. They told me that the police were cracking down and it was deterring new talent from arriving and going to work. I guess what's there now was already there for some time. There's a few cute ones (and some pretty young ones too), but you've really got to look hard.

I spoke with a few of the cuter girls just to see how friendly there were. I was not impressed with the attitude. "You want lady for short time? " was about all the conversation I got. I have to say that in Rio when I meet a lady I sometimes feel like I'm making a new friend. Not so much in Thailand.

For me this one is easy. Pattaya was far superior in my mind. It was my first time in Thailand. I'm actually a big fan of Rio, but I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Besides I love Asian women. I'm one of those guys who is into stunners also. Just thought I'd mention that so you can know my frame of reference. She has to have a good attitude though.

When I arrived in Thailand I went to Bangkok for two nights. I stayed at the Davis Hotel (that I heard of from this site) with no problems, hassles, or lady ID b. S. When bringing lady back from Soi Cowboy. I thought the girls in Soi Cowboy were pretty good, but then I went to Pattaya for two weeks. I then returned to Bangkok for one night before leaving. My second time to Bangkok I was amazed that the women I initially found to be pretty stellar, were not nearly as good as the women in Pattaya. The bar fines I was quoted for both short time and long time were double in Bangkok (as some other members also observed).

Another problem with Soi Cowboy (Bangkok) is the Japanese guys. Many of the women wouldn't give me the time of day (in Rio they treat me like a king even though I'm old, 46, because I look pretty good). But in Soi Cowboy it seemed more mercenary. They didn't give a crap what I looked like. It was explained to me by some expats that the Japanese offer the girls the 3-3-3 plan. As a consequence, many girls only go with the Japanese guys and ignore the others. Want to know what 3-3-3 is? 3, 000 TBH, 3 inch dicks, done in 3 minutes, and back to the club!

I found a better attitude in Pattaya. Still more mercenary than Rio according to my initial observations. I did find a really sweet girl at 'Catz A Go Go'. She looked like an amazing stunner on stage, but after I bar fined here and took her to my hotel, she didn't look as stunning as she did dancing on stage in nothing but a sash. She was really into me which I'm sure is why her bar fines for me were really low. And god was she sweet. She basically became my 24/7 girlfriend for eight days. I stayed at the Marriot which was a paradise! With their back entrance on beach road, you go nowhere near the lobby so there is no walk of shame! What a joy to bring my lady back with no hassles! (in Brazil I now rent apartments to avoid this nonsense).

I wasn't too impressed with bar girls in Pattaya. However, you need to go into one of these places and take a very good look. I found a serious stunner (a stunner in a kind of 'girl next door' kind of way), and very sweet. The bar was 'Simon'. I walked through the place all the way to the water. Dozens of girls in the numerous 'stalls' were screaming at me. How do you choose? Finally I spotted a girl in a nearby stall. She was so cute and sweet. She spoke no English! The girls at 'Simons' are apparently prepared for this. The girls want to play games with you. Her name was Nuk (imagine that! Every girl in Thailand is named Nuk or Noy! ) and we play three games of Jenga. I would have barfined her except that the language barrier was really an issue for me with regard to the GFE issue. Besides I was stuck on the 'Catz A Go Go' girl and headed there for another bar fine. Besides she 'like to lick lady pussey'. How can you go wrong with that? By the way, while I was playing Jenga, I bought Nuk a drink. There was another girl nearby who occasionally would translate something for us. I was going to buy here a drink also, but her attitude was so bad there was no way. Was she bitter because I went immediately to the cutest, youngest girl in their stall? Probably, I would be too.

I think there's some real gems to be had in Thailand if you can speak the language. I'll be fluent when I go back in December. I did the same think with Portuguese when I went to Rio. What a difference it made! Opened up new worlds for me!

Don't get me wrong, I thought Bangkok was a very cool city. I thought it was going to be like Manilla or something. But it's much nicer than that! But it is much hotter (temperature) in Bangkok than Pattaya. Even at night, there's no relief, no breeze! Ten minutes walking outside at eight PM and my shirt is drenched.

Next time I'm going to skip Bangkok and go straight to Pattaya. Maybe there are better places to find women than Soi Cowboy or Nana? BTW, which is better, Soi Cowboy or NEP?

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MONG,
I skip bangkok every time now. Go strait to Pattaya. 60 minutes to Bankok or 90 to Pattaya. Same-Same. In Pattaya You will find it much easier to find a girl to rock your boat. It is every where. In Bkk, You have to move around, go-go's, discos, plazas, and everything closes earlier. Pattaya has 3 discos open till 8:00 am! Go-Go's close aroun 4:00am. It is impossible not to find a great girl. IMPOSIBLE!!!

[QUOTE=Mong1225]I have 4 nights coming up in LOS next week, and I need to make the most of every night. It'll be my second trip, although the first one barely counts as I only had 24 hours in BKK.

Now that I have a little more time I'm tempted to try Pattaya also. But part of me thinks it would be a waste of time. Since it's a short stay my main consideration is not saving money, but getting the best looking young ladies possible. If the odds of that are lower in Pattaya, I don't know if it's worth going. Service is somewhat important too, but looks are #1

So lets break out that old chestnut again. If you only had 4 nights, and looks was #1, would you bother with Patts? I'll post this is the BKK section and I wonder if the responses will be different.[/QUOTE]

Hi! I want to know where the god blowjob bars are in Pattaya?
Can you give tips on other bars\Gogo who has any kinky speciality. Thanks!

Micken:
RTFF. Thanks.

[quote=micken]hi! i want to know where the god blowjob bars are in pattaya?
can you give tips on other bars\gogo who has any kinky speciality. thanks![/quote]


there is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi lk and the pump station on one of the soi 13's or try soi 6.

you could also try the devils den on soi lk.

my favourite go gos are baby dolls windmill and beavers.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]They are charging the same fees as before, same concept as Eden in Bkk which for the most part gets positive reviews so why are they a "rip off?"[/QUOTE]I've consistently had better, less mechanical performances at Devils/Hell than at Eden, so I'd say it's an even better deal. I took three girls there the other day and it was pretty spectacular.

The BR is still filled with Hookers from daytime to nighttime. I noticed some days it was empty at night time, but always full of girls at daytime. So, there should be no problem for the guys who like the Beach Road girls. I saw even CIS girls at beach road.

Also, I got some news about the Brazilian girls in Pattaya. A few weeks ago I met a girl who claime to be Brazilian. But, she spoke very good English and so she is maybe one of the few Madagasscar girls whose can be find in insomnia. Btw they charge 2000 Baht for LT and one of them looks Ok for me. But, had some smell out of mouth and so I didn't took her. Ask if she can do Anal and she declined and so I declined to take her. I think it's the easiest way to get ride of a potential deal. If she would say yes she can do I would have done her but only short time.

Ok, back to the real Brazilian girls. There are at least two of them. In the Zico Bar are two of them dancing Samba or something similar. The waitress in Zico told me that the girls are from Sao Paulo and have a 4 months contract.
The girls look below average and speak no English, which makes the communication with them difficult for the Thai colleagues, the waitress told me.
Later at about 1 am I saw the two Brazilian girls from Zicos walking along Walking Street. I could only guess, but I strongly believe that they use their time in PAttaya to make some extra money with ST or LT business.

The Brazilians are difficult to spot, since they looking at first view like Thais. Of course there are differences. The Brazilian are a bit taller and heavier. Though a chubby Thai girl would looks same like the two chubby Brazilians, except the Brazilians have bigger Asses. Chubby Thai girls have still flat asses and took weight mostly (unfortunatelly) around the waists.

Does anyone know of a club (or go-go bars) in Patts that has what I would call a proper sex type show, not just girls puffing cigs, shooting darts, ping-pong balls etc.

A previous report mentions Sisterz but I'm not sure where that is. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Why would they crack down during the low season in this economic crisis?[/QUOTE]

Hah, good question, but the answer is obvious - we and our girls are pariahs everywhere, even in Thailand.

I have made a quick visit to Pattaya to check things out and just as others have reported there is virtually no activity at all on the Beach at night. Only during the day. The authorities have made it quite difficult to get laid at night, whish is unfortunate as this is my preferred time.

So, at night I just sat around and watched police drive up and down the Beach, at approximately 30 minute intervals. While this was hardly a worthwhile amusement, it was free.

Ok, just a little recommendation.
Were today in Soi 6, at the "My Friend, your Bar" or similar. Had there a girl called Nit. About 30+ years old, but in good conditions. Slim, but quite curvy, but not exactly a voluptious girl I use to like. Anyway she is a 7 on the scale I would say. Good thing she provide a very good service, DFK, deep-throth without asking and anal without hesitation from her side. Cost are 700 for the girl and 300 for the room. This girl is very good in her business, I was totally happy with her service, nothing to complain and nothing to criticize.
I guess I was lucky to meet her, since she just arrived and when we are finish, she put her mobile on and had already some calles from customer.

Btw. yesterday (3rd of July) were a big parade on beach road. The people say it's because of buddha, but couldn't tell me what exactly they celebrate. Do somebody know more?
Also, they told that on 8th of (July?) is another Buddha day and than alcohol will be banned and bars closed for one day. Do somebody know more?

[QUOTE=DG69]Also, they told that on 8th of (July?) is another Buddha day and than alcohol will be banned and bars closed for one day. Do somebody know more?[/QUOTE]

Should be two days next week - Tuesday and Wednesday. Great fun for tourists, and so good for business.

[QUOTE=Bonker04]Does anyone know of a club (or go-go bars) in Patts that has what I would call a proper sex type show, not just girls puffing cigs, shooting darts, ping-pong balls etc.

A previous report mentions Sisterz but I'm not sure where that is. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

No idea what a "proper sex show" is but suggest you try Angel Witch off Walking Street; they have some of the classiest shows in Pattaya. The women aren't bad looking too.

Anyone know any good bars near the soapies on 2nd Road. Need a fallback postion in case I do not see anything I like at the soapies.

Thank you.

Thanks Runn Mann!

What I meant by 'proper sex show' is a couple i.e. male/female sex show, lesbian show, or a descent strip show.

I'll check out Angelwitch.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Anyone know any good bars near the soapies on 2nd Road. Need a fallback postion in case I do not see anything I like at the soapies.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Try U-too bar, it's between soi 3 and soi5.

Henryv,

On 2nd rd. there are a bunch of bars from Soi 5 on up to the bowling alley. Right after Soi 5, Pattaya Carlton Hotel, is a a complex on the left with a bunch of bars... all the way up to Big C and past... if you have time take a ride pass the Dolphin Circle to North Pattaya, Naklau there is another world of bars there. Getting back is no problem...

LBM

7 July 2009

(Tuesday) Buddhist Lent

This day marks the beginning of the Buddhist 'lent' period, a time when monks are supposed to retreat to their temples while new life springs forth.

National Holiday

[QUOTE=DG69]Ok, just a little recommendation.

Were today in Soi 6, at the "My Friend, your Bar" or similar. Had there a girl called Nit. About 30+ years old, but in good conditions. Slim, but quite curvy, but not exactly a voluptious girl I use to like. Anyway she is a 7 on the scale I would say. Good thing she provide a very good service, DFK, deep-throth without asking and anal without hesitation from her side. Cost are 700 for the girl and 300 for the room. This girl is very good in her business, I was totally happy with her service, nothing to complain and nothing to criticize.

I guess I was lucky to meet her, since she just arrived and when we are finish, she put her mobile on and had already some calles from customer.

Btw. yesterday (3rd of July) were a big parade on beach road. The people say it's because of buddha, but couldn't tell me what exactly they celebrate. Do somebody know more?

Also, they told that on 8th of (July?) is another Buddha day and than alcohol will be banned and bars closed for one day. Do somebody know more?[/QUOTE]

gentlemen, tonight at one am i witnessed a horrible sight - a lot of those scumbag farangs who volunteer as 'tourist police', plus some regular thai thugs, plus tv cameras and reporters, including one thai female and one farang female of the reporter/lesbian/feminist/missionary type, all parading down the beach at a near running speed, trying to catch the poor prostitutes. it was an unusual night - the normal 9:00-on crackdowns hadn't happened, so people were losening up, enjoying a few extra hours respite from persecution, and then suddenly came this disturbing intrusion of the forces of social control.

happily the girls have learned to be quick over the last few weeks of avoiding the brutes in brown and their massive fines or jail time, so the ole fatty mama brigade didn't seem to corner a single one as far as i saw.

oddly enough, most nights there are almost no girls at all out on either side of the beach road, and sweeps continue every 30 minutes all night. but tonight it was just this one huge cavalcade of puritanism. the girls actually crept back out within 30 minutes of its visitation, and there continued to be some girls available all night.

DG69/LittleBigMan - Thank you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Henryv,

On 2nd rd. there are a bunch of bars from Soi 5 on up to the bowling alley. Right after Soi 5, Pattaya Carlton Hotel, is a a complex on the left with a bunch of bars... all the way up to Big C and past... if you have time take a ride pass the Dolphin Circle to North Pattaya, Naklau there is another world of bars there. Getting back is no problem...

LBM[/QUOTE]

And how much for the total experiance???

[QUOTE=Betong]I've consistently had better, less mechanical performances at Devils/Hell than at Eden, so I'd say it's an even better deal. I took three girls there the other day and it was pretty spectacular.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Fully agree and can also add that these ''tourists'' can be found most days lounging behind large sunglasses at beaches on Koh Larn, particularly at Samai Beach.

Often seen in skimpy bikinis and topless too, so one can get a look at the goods before trying the 'charm' etc.

Gotta be worth the 20 baht ferry ride.

Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]

I concur and present the proof. 18 days til Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I concur and present the proof. 18 days til Pattaya![/QUOTE]Hi Mr Enternational,

Where is the beach in your pictures?

Do you have more of these beach pictures?

Cheers!

Hi guys.

Sorry to ask again, but I have trouble choosing my hotel in Pattaya.

Jackmeoff has recommended some hotels to me but I haven't been able to decide myself so far.

I have checked the recommended hotels with trip advisory but couldn't find any place that would fit all my desires :

1) Close enough from the action to go there by feet, but quiet enough to be able to sleep (close form the walking district soi 9 and 10).

2) A reasonable room, with hot water, silent aircon, not too noisy & a reasonable breakfast (even though it seems very easy to have a better one outside). I'm ready to pay 1200 Baths per night.

3) A very girl friendly hotel (I've read that some hotels are not, or will "only" allow you 1 girl at a time without charge).

Do you have any recommendation that would reasonably fit my expectations ?

I've seen the Sunshine Pattaya ( [url]http://www.sunshinepattaya.com/location.html[/url] ) that looks ok, but they have some terrible reports on trip advisory ( [url]http://www.tripadvisor.fr/ShowUserReviews-g293919-d447136-r16785728-Sunshine_Hotel_Residences-Pattaya.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url] ).

Thanks in advance.

These are photos from 6 months ago of some fun I had on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I concur and present the proof. 18 days til Pattaya! [/QUOTE]Well, I guess I'm going there tomorrow!

BTW, I just had a great epiphany.*****s are people too! I actually listened to one last night, I'm always pleasent to them, usually what they say goes in one ear and out the other. This gogo chick told me this sad story about her life and how she evolved from finishing college, dating a American guy, then breaking up and now she's selling her ass. She says she and her father had bigger plans for her than this. Nevertheless, having come to LOS many many times, I pretended to empathize and sent her ass back to her bar a couple hours ago. LOL! Well I'm about to go bird hunting in a few!

Shaolin

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Why would they crack down during the low season in this economic crisis?[/QUOTE]Well, rationality leads me to guess that:

Less tourist --> less mongers --> less business for the Bars, Go-go's etc... --> less profit for the owners --> less payments made to the boyz in brown.

So, by cracking down the beach road at night, more girls will have not much choice but to join some type of establishment, resulting in more profits for owners and thus more bling-bling for the cops.

Also, the fact that no or less crackdowns occur during the day does support that theory, since then the bars and gogos are not yet fully operational, so no big effect on nightly income.

And the girls probably need some side money etc... and they probably don't want some kind of farang revolution since some of them shop exclusively at the beach.

[QUOTE=PauloThai]Hi Mr Enternational,
Where is the beach in your pictures?
Do you have more of these beach pictures?
Cheers![/QUOTE]
Koh Larn Island, Samai Beach. 40 minute boat ride from Pattaya. I don't have any more pictures. I was there with my ex girlfriend and had to take those pictures on the cool when she went to the toilet. I suggest bringing your own girl to the island though.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi guys.

Sorry to ask again, but I have trouble choosing my hotel in Pattaya.

Jackmeoff has recommended some hotels to me but I haven't been able to decide myself so far.

I have checked the recommended hotels with trip advisory but couldn't find any place that would fit all my desires :

1) Close enough from the action to go there by feet, but quiet enough to be able to sleep (close form the walking district soi 9 and 10).

2) A reasonable room, with hot water, silent aircon, not too noisy & a reasonable breakfast (even though it seems very easy to have a better one outside). I'm ready to pay 1200 Baths per night.

3) A very girl friendly hotel (I've read that some hotels are not, or will "only" allow you 1 girl at a time without charge).

Do you have any recommendation that would reasonably fit my expectations ?

I've seen the Sunshine Pattaya ( [url]http://www.sunshinepattaya.com/location.html[/url] ) that looks ok, but they have some terrible reports on trip advisory ( [url]http://www.tripadvisor.fr/ShowUserReviews-g293919-d447136-r16785728-Sunshine_Hotel_Residences-Pattaya.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url] ).

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
I usually stay at Sunshine. Never a problem. Free breakfast. This time I'll be staying at Eastiny though [url]http://www.eastinypattaya.com/eastinyplaza/index.html[/url]

My favorite

Near the action for hotel

Penthouse (1 blk from walking st)

Go go

Playgirl (located down a soi 50meters from walking st)

Beach

Koh Larn (pier located at the end of walking st. 100 meters along the beach walkway)

Seafood

Local wholesale (opposite the pier for Koh Larn at the end of walking st 50 meters, In front/next to the seven eleven store). Ask them to cook it for you. 250B per kilo live crab 150B per kilo live jumbo shrimp.

I normally take a girl to Kon Larn and we stop by the seafood vendors and get some seafood to bring out there with us because they will charge you up the aatat for seafood there. You are allow to eat/drink any food you like on the rented chairs. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ORDER FROM THEM.

[QUOTE=Opebo]a horrible sight - a lot of those scumbag farangs who volunteer as 'tourist police'[/QUOTE]Had a chat with one the other night after he overheard a few of my world-weary comments. He was a decent guy and concerned to keep the streets safe from 'scumbags', by which he meant drunks, drug addicts and thieves. He knew why we came to Pattaya so it seems a shame if they are complicit in 'cleaning up the streets'.

"All the animals come out at night - wh***s, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets." 'Taxi Driver', now that was a movie...

[QUOTE=Belmont]And how much for the total experiance???[/QUOTE]I took a lady out from Devil's Den last night, and from 10pm to 10am she cost 3200Bht (that's 3000Bht + travel expenses). You're paying for quality as well as quantity. Faultless. Perfection.

I'll tell you her name in a few days as I plan to book her again soon, and I don't want anyone else jumping the queue. :-)

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi guys.

Sorry to ask again, but I have trouble choosing my hotel in Pattaya.

Jackmeoff has recommended some hotels to me but I haven't been able to decide myself so far.

I have checked the recommended hotels with trip advisory but couldn't find any place that would fit all my desires :

1) Close enough from the action to go there by feet, but quiet enough to be able to sleep (close form the walking district soi 9 and 10).

2) A reasonable room, with hot water, silent aircon, not too noisy & a reasonable breakfast (even though it seems very easy to have a better one outside). I'm ready to pay 1200 Baths per night.

3) A very girl friendly hotel (I've read that some hotels are not, or will "only" allow you 1 girl at a time without charge).

Do you have any recommendation that would reasonably fit my expectations ?

I've seen the Sunshine Pattaya ( [url]http://www.sunshinepattaya.com/location.html[/url] ) that looks ok, but they have some terrible reports on trip advisory ( [url]http://www.tripadvisor.fr/ShowUserReviews-g293919-d447136-r16785728-Sunshine_Hotel_Residences-Pattaya.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url] ).

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Baron Beach Hotel is pretty central, and quiet if you ask for a room in Block A on Soi 8 (or a balcony room overlooking the pool). Paid 1000Bht / night. Now having my breakfast in BeerGarden, only a short ride away (yeah, that's me in the blue T-shirt with laptop). Can't comment on multiple girls.

[QUOTE=Shaolin02]Well, I guess I'm going there tomorrow!

BTW, I just had a great epiphany.*****s are people too! I actually listened to one last night, I'm always pleasent to them, usually what they say goes in one ear and out the other. This gogo chick told me this sad story about her life and how she evolved from finishing college, dating a American guy, then breaking up and now she's selling her ass. She says she and her father had bigger plans for her than this. Nevertheless, having come to LOS many many times, I pretended to empathize and sent her ass back to her bar a couple hours ago. LOL! Well I'm about to go bird hunting in a few!

Shaolin[/QUOTE]Glad to hear about the epiphany. Next stage is to really empathise (why not? It's not that difficult, it doesn't mean you have to go and buy her a condo) and you'll become a fully paid-up member of the human race. :-)

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Glad to hear about the epiphany. Next stage is to really empathise (why not? It's not that difficult, it doesn't mean you have to go and buy her a condo) and you'll become a fully paid-up member of the human race. :-)[/QUOTE]I guess you're right.

I'll try that today.

LOL!

[QUOTE=Jay Hodge]Well, rationality leads me to guess that:

Less tourist --> less mongers --> less business for the Bars, Go-go's etc... --> less profit for the owners --> less payments made to the boyz in brown.

So, by cracking down the beach road at night, more girls will have not much choice but to join some type of establishment, resulting in more profits for owners and thus more bling-bling for the cops.[/QUOTE]

Well, the part you leave out is that the authorities of Pattaya are not, unfortunately, entirely dependent upon the pimp-bars for their position and income. Another way to put this is that they do not solely serve the sex business. In fact they are more beholden to the hoteliers and mall-developers who have a vision of Pattaya with our ilk expelled ('cleaned up', as they so offensively put it).

I honestly believe that the primary reason for the crackdown is simply that lots of VIPs, from the mayor to the aforementioned local-booster crowd, drive down the Beach Road and find their sensibilities inflammed by seeing the girls there. Where you or I might feel a rush of pleasure at seeing so much opportunity, they think 'oh! It looks so [b]lo-class[/b]!'

[QUOTE=Mouse1]"All the animals come out at night - wh***s, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets." 'Taxi Driver', now that was a movie...[/QUOTE]

And New York in the 1970s was quite the city - back then one could get laid all over the place with attractive young women for peanuts. Nowadays its hard to get laid in that town at any price. This was accomplished by the authorities.

[quote=opebo]...and new york in the 1970s was quite the city - back then one could get laid all over the place with attractive young women for peanuts...[/quote]
back then you could also get mugged, raped, or murdered all over the place in new york.

peanuts? nothing was ever obtainable in ny for peanuts -- not even peanuts.

[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]I've seen the Sunshine Pattaya ( [url]http://www.sunshinepattaya.com/location.html[/url] ) that looks ok, but they have some terrible reports on trip advisory ( [url]http://www.tripadvisor.fr/ShowUserReviews-g293919-d447136-r16785728-Sunshine_Hotel_Residences-Pattaya.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url] ).

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I stayed there and didn't like it at all. The AC was crappy and the bed was bad. I must admit it was a few years ago, and I stayed in the old wing.
I heard from others that the rooms in the new wing is OK. Sunshine is on Soi 8, ideally situated in the "Bar Beer" area.

I think Sunbeam in the same soi, or Flipper Lodge in Soi 7 (just a stone's throw away from Sunshine) are better value.

Walking Street is just a B10 songthaew ride away, but if you prefer to stay nearer to Walking Street you could consider Diamond Beach Hotel.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Well, the part you leave out is that the authorities of Pattaya are not, unfortunately, entirely dependent upon the pimp-bars for their position and income. Another way to put this is that they do not solely serve the sex business. In fact they are more beholden to the hoteliers and mall-developers who have a vision of Pattaya with our ilk expelled ('cleaned up', as they so offensively put it).
[/QUOTE]

Why would someone visit Pattaya other than for mongering? (except for Bangok[ians-ers-ese?] during weekends). I have been there for 3 days only in my life, and all I could deduct was that it is the world's largest open-air bar bordello, not that there's ANYthing wrong with that, at ALL! :)

If we were talking about "post card" beaches such as Phuket etc... then the idea of authorities supporting the hoteliers for "regular" tourist activities would be understandable, but certainly not in Pattaya.

This is probably why it is so easy to find higher-end guest-friendly hotel in Patts, when I am still looking for one in Phuket, which does not depend fully on the night life (Patong) and thus can eradicate "our kind" without too much effect on the tourism there.

[QUOTE=Jay Hodge]Well, rationality leads me to guess that:

Less tourist --> less mongers --> less business for the Bars, Go-go's etc... --> less profit for the owners --> less payments made to the boyz in brown.

So, by cracking down the beach road at night, more girls will have not much choice but to join some type of establishment, resulting in more profits for owners and thus more bling-bling for the cops.[/QUOTE]This is certainly the view of one bar girl who offered the same suggestion unprompted. It is therefore probably the view of the management who must be struggling with the near complete absence of customers in some bars.

Incidentally the same girl has a friend who works at one bar and went down to the beach a couple of nights ago to buy a papaya salad, and was caught up by the police and thrown in the monkeyhouse. Her boss had to come and get her out, but she lost an evenings potential earnings.

[QUOTE=Jay Hodge]Why would someone visit Pattaya other than for mongering? (except for Bangok[ians-ers-ese?] during weekends). I have been there for 3 days only in my life, and all I could deduct was that it is the world's largest open-air bar bordello, not that there's ANYthing wrong with that, at ALL! :)

If we were talking about "post card" beaches such as Phuket etc... then the idea of authorities supporting the hoteliers for "regular" tourist activities would be understandable, but certainly not in Pattaya.

This is probably why it is so easy to find higher-end guest-friendly hotel in Patts, when I am still looking for one in Phuket, which does not depend fully on the night life (Patong) and thus can eradicate "our kind" without too much effect on the tourism there.[/QUOTE]I would think the main attraction in Pattaya is mongering, but from what I've read there's a lot of things to do and it seems cheaper to stay than other places with a beach style life.

[url]http://www.amari.com/guide-pattaya/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jay Hodge]Why would someone visit Pattaya other than for mongering?[/QUOTE]

Championship golf courses

Cheap Rhinoplasty (who hasn't had one?)

Scuba Diving, snorkelling

Affordable (other) Medical and Dental Procedures

Go to Tiffany/Alcazar show?

Nice Weather with daily massages

Live like a King!

[QUOTE=Mouse1]This is certainly the view of one bar girl who offered the same suggestion unprompted. It is therefore probably the view of the management who must be struggling with the near complete absence of customers in some bars.[/QUOTE]

It is certainly true that one reason girls prefer to work the beach is they make far more money. They always describe working in the bar as being trapped in a place they cannot leave, with lots of other backstabbing, envious girls and hardly any customers.

The fact is that as long as there is a non-bar option, a huge percentage of mongers will choose it, since bars are a ripoff and unpleasant anyway.

Very quiet in Pattaya today. Most of the bars seem to be closed, and the ones that are open have only a few girls working.

Spoke briefly to one guy who turned out to own a gogo bar on Soi Buakhao, and he wasn't sure if he would be open tomorrow. He said he knew lots of bars in Walking Street would be open, and he hoped his 40,000 Bht per month to the police would help...

[QUOTE=Run Mann]
Cheap Rhinoplasty (who hasn't had one?)
[/QUOTE]

The King of Pop?
R.I.P.

Hi All

Been Reading the forum but so much information ! I will be in Pattaya in about 2 weeks from now, havent booked a hotel yet. Can anyone recommend a decent hotel for around 2000-2500 THB a night, that is close to the action?

Should I reserve something online with a hotel directly or use one of the many sites Ive found such as [url]www.hotelthailand.com?[/url]

My main problem is not knowing which hotels are near the nightlife as I dont wanna end up stuck a 20 minute walk away !

Cheers

[QUOTE=Sterile]Hi All

Been Reading the forum but so much information ! I will be in Pattaya in about 2 weeks from now, havent booked a hotel yet. Can anyone recommend a decent hotel for around 2000-2500 THB a night, that is close to the action?

Should I reserve something online with a hotel directly or use one of the many sites Ive found such as [url]www.hotelthailand.com?[/url]

My main problem is not knowing which hotels are near the nightlife as I dont wanna end up stuck a 20 minute walk away !

Cheers[/QUOTE]

This might help:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1875[/url]

Conveniently it is called the "Pattaya Hotels" thread ;)

Sterile,

For that amount of money,,, you might want the Marriort,,, also as noted to you go to the Pattaya Hotel Thread... I wrote a report a few weeks back about some places that has websites.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Sterile,

For that amount of money,,, you might want the Marriort,,, also as noted to you go to the Pattaya Hotel Thread... I wrote a report a few weeks back about some places that has websites.

LBM[/QUOTE]


Thanks a lot, am doing that. One more question - although I will obviously bring money with me, how freely available are ATM machines (Cashpoints) in Pattaya?

They're all over the place, but in Thailand you're better off bringing $100 bills, and cashing them at the exchange kiosks to avoid the ATM intl fees that most banks charge. Also the local banks just started tacking on a 150 Baht charge for each transaction. The money exchange places are actually more plentiful than ATM's.

Were yesterday night at Walking Street, saw alot of people thought the most bars were closed. Nevertheless some were still open, one had even music and alcohol (New Star Agogo) do not know, why this little gogo bar had this special right to sell alcohol and play music.
Others, like Beavers and Air Port were open but no loud music.
Today it will be similar as it seems.

[QUOTE=Sterile]Thanks a lot, am doing that. One more question - although I will obviously bring money with me, how freely available are ATM machines (Cashpoints) in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]

It might be worth taking Travelers Checks rather than cash. Apart from the safety aspect, in case of loss or theft, you seem to get a better exchange rate. This is, of course, offset by the TC and bank commission/stamp fee. After a couple of bad experiences, I have learned my lesson not to rely too heavily on the plastic.

ATM - If you want the best rates you should consider getting a Capital One Direct Banking account with their ATM card. It's accepted at any ATM that has the "Plus" logo which so far has been ones that accept international MC/Visa cards for me in Japan. Also any money sitting in there gains interest.

0% currency exchange fee. 0 ATM fee. And the exchange rate is competitive.
[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

Another bank of mine charges whatever the ATM machine fee is + 2% of my total withdrawal (1% from the bank, 1% from Master Card).

The bars being closed is lame. So I decided to look into holidays. Looks like the next holidays are August 12, October 23, and then in December
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Thailand[/url]

By the way here's the link to Capital One Direct. Each account has different terms even for the ATM card. I have the "High Yield Money Market"
[url]http://www.capitalone.com/directbanking/[/url]

ATM card info from the [url=http://www.capitalone.com/directbanking/money-market-accounts/faq.php?linkid=WWW_Z_Z_Z_Z_H2_04_T_Z#5_pg_sl]High Yield Money Market[/url] faq.

[quote]ATM withdrawals are limited to $500 per day, with no monthly limit on how many times you use the card. Capital One does not charge a fee for ATM usage, but the ATM owner may. Please read your disclosure for more details.[/quote]And now that I think of it, maybe the ATM will charge you a fee, but the ones I've been to have not charged my Capital One 'Plus' card anything but they have charged my Visa and MC cards an ATM withdrawal fee. Maybe it's because it's not a Visa/MC card, I'm not sure.

You always get a better exchanging rate for Traveller Checks. That is true.
But in Germany for excample you have to pay charges, if you order Traveller Checks from your Bank. And this charges are higher than the difference between the money you get for changing cash and Traveller Checks. Nevertheless the safety aspect is worth considering to take Traveller Checks with you.
Enjoy
Lemon Tree

[QUOTE=DG69]Were yesterday night at Walking Street, saw alot of people thought the most bars were closed. Nevertheless some were still open, one had even music and alcohol (New Star Agogo) do not know, why this little gogo bar had this special right to sell alcohol and play music.
Others, like Beavers and Air Port were open but no loud music.
Today it will be similar as it seems.[/QUOTE]So depressing to log on this morning after a quiet night in Pattaya to read a whole load of reports on 'my favourite ATM'. :-) Perhaps there's nothing else to discuss?

I have a motorbike so cruised around the town in the late afternoon and evening, and most of the beer bar complexes were dark, with the majority of bars closed, but a few open. Walking street was less crowded than previously, but a lot more freelancers in evidence, including some very good lookers. I was very tempted by one as I watched her negotiate with a string of Middle Eastern gentlemen, who all wandered off muttering 'very expensive', as she mouthed insults at them behind their back. I suspect not expensive. However I had made other arrangements and as I wandered back to my bike saw that New Star was open, and doing good business. Shame that AngelWitch was closed as I may not get another chance to visit this trip.

I picked up my lady from a bar between Soi 7 and Soi 8, and she was a dazzling delight

[QUOTE=Sterile]Hi All

Been Reading the forum but so much information ! I will be in Pattaya in about 2 weeks from now, havent booked a hotel yet. Can anyone recommend a decent hotel for around 2000-2500 THB a night, that is close to the action?

Should I reserve something online with a hotel directly or use one of the many sites Ive found such as [url]www.hotelthailand.com?[/url]

My main problem is not knowing which hotels are near the nightlife as I dont wanna end up stuck a 20 minute walk away !

Cheers[/QUOTE]I'm a newbie, so here's my 6 suggestions as a n00b...

1) RTFF ... a lot, study it, take notes, search is your friend, show results as "reports" not "threads". It's a lot of information but that's why people are reporting their experiences.

2) Stay where you want, don't walk, take the truck or whatever for 10 THB.

3) Check out [url=http://www.pattayabarguide.com/]this map (not to scale)[/url] and [url=http://www.pattayaphotoguide.com/?SC2RUC8skccA]this map[/url]

4) See hotels in the Pattaya Hotels thread that Jay Hodge just suggested and read real monger reviews, and for reviews on amenities etc see hotels/reviews at [url=http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand.html]agoda.com[/url] and [url=http://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g293915-Thailand-Vacations.html]tripadvisor.com[/url], but book hotels wherever you want or feel comfortable.

5) Look the address up in Google Maps, compare to #3 maps. Tip - In Google Maps you can save it under "My Maps" to edit and look at later. This helped me figure out where the hell things are when I compare it to #3 in this list. I made marks for places I might stay or go. Works great for me.

6) Please post your experiences in this thread. And post about your hotel experiences here.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1875[/url]

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]It might be worth taking Travelers Checks rather than cash. Apart from the safety aspect, in case of loss or theft, you seem to get a better exchange rate. This is, of course, offset by the TC and bank commission/stamp fee. After a couple of bad experiences, I have learned my lesson not to rely too heavily on the plastic.[/QUOTE]Would like to comment here. Have traveled extensively in Europe, Central America and Asia and with possible exception of Cambodia, my Chase visa card produces cash at ATM s quickly and efficiently. Have use Travelers check in the past and have found that too many places are suspicious of them. Sometimes you have to go through quite an experience getting money in a bank and hotels frequently charge a tidy fee for using same. Only use ATM cards. One of the best Atm machines in Pattaya is in front of Flipper Lodge on Soi 8. There are many atm machines in Philippines, Nepal, Thailand and Malaysia. Do not bother with the hassle of Travelers checks.

Arkyboy

[QUOTE=The Scout]I'm a newbie, so here's my 6 suggestions as a n00b...

1) RTFF ... a lot, study it, take notes, search is your friend, show results as "reports" not "threads". It's a lot of information but that's why people are reporting their experiences.

2) Stay where you want, don't walk, take the truck or whatever for 10 THB.

3) Check out [url=http://www.pattayabarguide.com/]this map (not to scale)[/url] and [url=http://www.pattayaphotoguide.com/?SC2RUC8skccA]this map[/url]

4) See hotels in the Pattaya Hotels thread that Jay Hodge just suggested and read real monger reviews, and for reviews on amenities etc see hotels/reviews at [url=http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand.html]agoda.com[/url] and [url=http://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g293915-Thailand-Vacations.html]tripadvisor.com[/url], but book hotels wherever you want or feel comfortable.

5) Look the address up in Google Maps, compare to #3 maps. Tip - In Google Maps you can save it under "My Maps" to edit and look at later. This helped me figure out where the hell things are when I compare it to #3 in this list. I made marks for places I might stay or go. Works great for me.

6) Please post your experiences in this thread. And post about your hotel experiences here.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1875[/url][/QUOTE]Flipper Lodge on Soi 8 is hard to beat IMHO. 1200 baht buys an attractive room right in the center of the action on sois 7 and 8. The Sailor Bar right across the street has great breakfasts in their restaurant. You could do all of your partying right on those two sois with some real gems to be found.

Arkyboy

[QUOTE=The Scout]ATM - If you want the best rates you should consider getting a Capital One Direct Banking account with their ATM card. It's accepted at any ATM that has the "Plus" logo which so far has been ones that accept international MC/Visa cards for me in Japan. Also any money sitting in there gains interest.

0% currency exchange fee. 0 ATM fee. And the exchange rate is competitive.
[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

Another bank of mine charges whatever the ATM machine fee is + 2% of my total withdrawal (1% from the bank, 1% from Master Card).

The bars being closed is lame. So I decided to look into holidays. Looks like the next holidays are August 12, October 23, and then in December
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Thailand[/url][/QUOTE]

Thats a good idea mate but I'm not an American or in America so not an option. I will probably just bring my visa card plus plenty of Thai Baht plus some of my own currency to change if needs be. Im only gonna be there for 10 days or so.

Thx again to everyone for their advice it is much appreciated and have taken all comments / tips on board.

[QUOTE=Arkyboy]Would like to comment here. Have traveled extensively in Europe, Central America and Asia and with possible exception of Cambodia, my Chase visa card produces cash at ATM s quickly and efficiently. Have use Travelers check in the past and have found that too many places are suspicious of them. Sometimes you have to go through quite an experience getting money in a bank and hotels frequently charge a tidy fee for using same. Only use ATM cards. One of the best Atm machines in Pattaya is in front of Flipper Lodge on Soi 8. There are many atm machines in Philippines, Nepal, Thailand and Malaysia. Do not bother with the hassle of Travelers checks.

Arkyboy[/QUOTE]

That is ok if your bank does not charge a fee...and the dispensing bank does not charge one either.

However, you can get hit for 3 percent plus 3 percent plus 2 percent exchange spread easily enough on every transaction if your bank does not waive fees. (eg many ATMs in Pat charge 150B per transaction which is 3 percent of 5000). Travellers cheque might only be 1 percent commission plus 2 percent exchange spread.

Lesson = take a range of cash, card and TCheques and change where the rates are best.

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]That is ok if your bank does not charge a fee...and the dispensing bank does not charge one either.

However, you can get hit for 3 percent plus 3 percent plus 2 percent exchange spread easily enough on every transaction if your bank does not waive fees. (eg many ATMs in Pat charge 150B per transaction which is 3 percent of 5000). Travellers cheque might only be 1 percent commission plus 2 percent exchange spread.

Lesson = take a range of cash, card and TCheques and change where the rates are best.[/QUOTE]Many places also charge a fee to cash t checks,in addition to giving you a bad rate of exchange. ATMs always give you the highest exchange rate,according to bankers I have spoken with here.

Never liked carrying cash or travellers cheques.... Not that great in terms of changing and getting converted money. So use a debit card. Those that winge about the percentages charged - look on it as a side effect of mongering in a foreign country. deduct the charges made for the travellers cheques and you soon see that its maybe a little more expensive but its also so much easier and less easy to scam or lose than a bundle of cash or some travellers cheques.

I have found that using my debit card for my money market account for my brokerage account is the cheapest. You get the best exchange rate and they do not charge me anything. Only charge is at the ATM machine. Found with my debit card not only were they hitting me up for a foreign transaction fee but then charged me $5.00 for every transaction. It was working out to be $10.83 for every 10,000B plus the ATM fee. I also opened up an account in Thailand at one of the larger banks. Now I just transfere the amount I think I will spend for my trip via a SWIFT transfere to my Thai bank. You can check on line with them once you opened with internet access to your account. Saves carrying a lot of cash that for some reason they might find a blemish or minor tear and they do not accept.

[QUOTE=Hornyscot]Never liked carrying cash or travellers cheques. Not that great in terms of changing and getting converted money. So use a debit card. Those that winge about the percentages charged. Look on it as a side effect of mongering in a foreign country. Deduct the charges made for the travellers cheques and you soon see that its maybe a little more expensive but its also so much easier and less easy to scam or lose than a bundle of cash or some travellers cheques.[/QUOTE]The main point of using TCs and cash as well as cards is security in case something happens to your card or cards. As the saying goes, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or another saying, Shit happens.

Recently in the States, I spoke to my cousin who is a top executive for Bank of America Headquarters in North Carolina. Regarding Traveler Checks the reason why they are being less attractive when you travel and institutions are being more vary of them is that they are being copied! With High Tech ability these days they are getting better and better counterfeited. So Banks are getting burned, they are in the process of trying to creat a full-proof Traveler Check to make it harder. Remember the Cashier or Money order now you take one to the bank.. there is a waiting period for them to clear and even if you get your money right there.. you must have enough money in your accounts to before they cash it for you.

Regarding ATM, cards or Debit.... if it hasn't happen already they are going to limit you to how much a ATM, is going to dispense to a Foreign ATM, credit card or Debit card like 10,000 Baht. Why, The Thai banks want you to come back again and again so they can charge you the 150 baht again. So if you got to use one make sure you take out the Max Whe!ther it is 500 baht or 10,000 baht it's 150 baht each time.

Regarding rates from ATM, before this the Thai Banks starting charging the 150 baht. For Example, like the Bank of Ayuthya ( yellow machine ) they were giving a good rate, if the exchange rate was 34.00 take were giving a rate like .50 or 33.50 from the ATM. now the rate is much lower. If the rate is 34.00 they will dispense something like 32.60 and when you continue you get a addition charge of 150 baht on top of that... They have changed their marketing to sock it to us and many don't even know it. Even in the U.S. if you use another Institutions ATM card, it use to range around 1.50 USD, when I was home some were charging 3.00 USD, like the fucking banks that got bailed out! How else are they going to pay the government back.

For those that live here, right now, wiring money when the rate is high to a local Thai bank is the answer. For a Tourist, maybe a combination of ATM, cash and T.T.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
For those that live here, right now, wiring money when the rate is high to a local Thai bank is the answer. For a Tourist, maybe a combination of ATM, cash and T.T.

LBM[/QUOTE]

Thanks LBM for your valuable input on the matter.

Now... can we please get back to focusing on the reason why we need all these ATMs, and not the ATMs themselves? It's been 3 days of ATM talk, kinda depressing.

Do any field reporters out there want to kindly share with us what is the situation in Pattaya. Buddha Holiday is over? Situation back to normal? Green season alive and kicking?

So, back to basic.
Yesterday was full of special situations and surprises.
Number one: When I went out of my Hotel (Baywalk Residence) and walked along the small lane called Pattaya City Walk towards 2nd road, I was stopped by some military police men. I asked why, they didn't tell me, but made sure that I can't pass.
So, I went to Royal Garden Plaza and went through and reached 2nd road. But, there were no traffic. So, I couldn't enter a baht bus. Obviously the police or military had also blocked the traffic on second road. Later I found out that one princess has visited the Joe Louis puppet theater and restaurant at Pattaya City Walk. Amazing because this puppet theather is open since weeks. At least since I am in Pattaya which was 16th of June.
The Princess has her house at the hill between Pattaya and Jomtien. Maybe another reason why the Beach Road shall be cleaned by street walker.

Number two surprise: Last November I had sometimes a freelancer from Spice Club in Bangkok for a ST. This freelancer Joy is her name, was amazing hot. I could her do anally, she had a very sexy butt and a quite fair skin and untypical for Thai girls european face features. She had a normal office job and went only to Spice Club to enhance her income.
Yesterday, I saw her again. I was sitting in Club Blu in Soi Bua Kaow. Suddenly Joy stand beside me. I was very surprised, she took a bit weight but still very hot. I thought she worked in Club Blu, but she told me she is here with her Boyfriend (Sponsor) from Hawaii. The Boyfriend was sitting on the bar, he is from Japanese origin. Well, we spoke a while and I asked her when I can met her. She told in 3 days she will be available.
But, than she told she need to go to toilet, which is in 2nd floor in Club Blu. So, I told Ok I will come with you. She first don't want, but the imagination to have sex on the toilet made her horny. So, she wents up, I followed soon and in the second floor was beside the lady toilett a one room toilet which could be locked. It was one of the most exciting quickies I had. Downstairs were her Sponsor and I did her on the toillet.
Number three was not as good surprise like number two. When I came out of Insomnia about 4 or 5 o'clock (don't remember) I saw a big crowd of people on the street. Thought most likely another guy who makes a show for tourists. But, it was something different. The security guys from Insomnia (unsympathic guys, whose usually stand on the dancefloor and limit the rare space in Insomnia even more) beated the living shit out of a blond young farang guy.
The motorbike taxi driver join the unequal fight on side of the Insomnia Security guys. Well, I don't know what the guy did to get beaten in that way. But, I don't blame the Thais too much, since I guess there is alot anger on there site, since they have to serve all the foreigner whose come to Thailand to shag their women. If you imagine that, than you can understand why they act like that.
The blond guy were rescued, not by the police whose usually stroll along the walking street and stand just a few meter away. No, the guy were rescued by some bargirls and some bodybuilder farangs.
So, always something new and unexpected in Pattaya.

Use a bank like E*trade, as I do. They charge .0.84% and reimburse all ATM charges. They have! Unless it is abused. They say 6 transactions a month limit. That is listed on there web page.
Also,
UOB bank and Goverment Savings bank are said to have no 150 baht charge!
Hope this helps!

[QUOTE=DG69]So, back to basic.
Yesterday was full of special situations and surprises.
Number one: When I went out of my Hotel (Baywalk Residence) and walked along the small lane called Pattaya City Walk towards 2nd road, I was stopped by some military police men. I asked why, they didn't tell me, but made sure that I can't pass.
So, I went to Royal Garden Plaza and went through and reached 2nd road. But, there were no traffic. So, I couldn't enter a baht bus. Obviously the police or military had also blocked the traffic on second road. Later I found out that one princess has visited the Joe Louis puppet theater and restaurant at Pattaya City Walk. Amazing because this puppet theather is open since weeks. At least since I am in Pattaya which was 16th of June.
The Princess has her house at the hill between Pattaya and Jomtien. Maybe another reason why the Beach Road shall be cleaned by street walker.

Number two surprise: Last November I had sometimes a freelancer from Spice Club in Bangkok for a ST. This freelancer Joy is her name, was amazing hot. I could her do anally, she had a very sexy butt and a quite fair skin and untypical for Thai girls european face features. She had a normal office job and went only to Spice Club to enhance her income.
Yesterday, I saw her again. I was sitting in Club Blu in Soi Bua Kaow. Suddenly Joy stand beside me. I was very surprised, she took a bit weight but still very hot. I thought she worked in Club Blu, but she told me she is here with her Boyfriend (Sponsor) from Hawaii. The Boyfriend was sitting on the bar, he is from Japanese origin. Well, we spoke a while and I asked her when I can met her. She told in 3 days she will be available.
But, than she told she need to go to toilet, which is in 2nd floor in Club Blu. So, I told Ok I will come with you. She first don't want, but the imagination to have sex on the toilet made her horny. So, she wents up, I followed soon and in the second floor was beside the lady toilett a one room toilet which could be locked. It was one of the most exciting quickies I had. Downstairs were her Sponsor and I did her on the toillet.
Number three was not as good surprise like number two. When I came out of Insomnia about 4 or 5 o'clock (don't remember) I saw a big crowd of people on the street. Thought most likely another guy who makes a show for tourists. But, it was something different. The security guys from Insomnia (unsympathic guys, whose usually stand on the dancefloor and limit the rare space in Insomnia even more) beated the living shit out of a blond young farang guy.
The motorbike taxi driver join the unequal fight on side of the Insomnia Security guys. Well, I don't know what the guy did to get beaten in that way. But, I don't blame the Thais too much, since I guess there is alot anger on there site, since they have to serve all the foreigner whose come to Thailand to shag their women. If you imagine that, than you can understand why they act like that.
The blond guy were rescued, not by the police whose usually stroll along the walking street and stand just a few meter away. No, the guy were rescued by some bargirls and some bodybuilder farangs.
So, always something new and unexpected in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

Wow, nice stories.

But u didnt say the most important: which ATM do you use?

hehehe, Nice report DG!

PS: to others, please try to keep the ATM & Banking topics in the General Reports section, unless it specifically concerns Pattaya. Pretty Please.

[QUOTE=Jay Hodge]But u didnt say the most important: which ATM do you use? [/QUOTE]

I don't use ATM's in Thailand. Fees the Bank use are ridiculous. In Brazil I use ATM but in Thailand I make everything with Bank Notes. I just carry 10.000 Euro for 2 months and that is more than enough.;-)

10,000 Euro!
You are a brave man! Or RICH???

[QUOTE=DG69]I don't use ATM's in Thailand. Fees the Bank use are ridiculous. In Brazil I use ATM but in Thailand I make everything with Bank Notes. I just carry 10.000 Euro for 2 months and that is more than enough.;-)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belmont]10,000 Euro!
You are a brave man! Or RICH???[/QUOTE]

Brave, I guess. Or, just not very afraid about robbery. Since I will stay 2 months (60 days) and I count at least 100 Euro per day + some reserve 10.000 isn't that much.
I bought already two sun classes with optical lenses (16.000 Baht) and a visit at the dentist (thooth crown) 12500 Baht. I rather have a bit more than too less.

[QUOTE=DG69]I don't use ATM's in Thailand. Fees the Bank use are ridiculous. In Brazil I use ATM but in Thailand I make everything with Bank Notes. I just carry 10.000 Euro for 2 months and that is more than enough.;-)[/QUOTE]

Don't forget to post your flight itinerary and hotel!
Not smart to advertise this, the word "Cash" would have sufficed.

Buscemi,

You need the hotel DG69, is staying just read back a little!

LBM

[QUOTE=DG69]I don't use ATM's in Thailand. Fees the Bank use are ridiculous. In Brazil I use ATM but in Thailand I make everything with Bank Notes. I just carry 10.000 Euro for 2 months and that is more than enough.;-)[/QUOTE]


So if you get robbed or loose your money before you even get to your hotel you won't be having a great holiday. You can't claim that big amount on your travel insurance.

You would be better to take alot of it in travellers cheques at least you will have more protection should something happen.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]So if you get robbed or loose your money before you even get to your hotel you won't be having a great holiday. You can't claim that big amount on your travel insurance.

You would be better to take alot of it in travellers cheques at least you will have more protection should something happen.[/QUOTE]

You are quite right. In case of a robbary I would lose alot, but on the other hand side I still have credit cards, so I still would be able to go to ATM's.
But, since I travel alot and never lost something, nor get robbed (except in Brazil), I got a little careless. And yes 10.000 is that much money, since I lost even more with stocks.;-)

It's almost a month now since I came back from my last trip to Thailand. So it's time to submit a trip report

I was back for a two week holday in LOS again. This time I actually had a small problem at immigration. I travel frequently in my job and manage to fill up a passport in a year or two and since I might travel while my passport is away for a visa application I have a duplicate. In. This became a bit to much for the lady at immigration since they now had 4 different passports on my over the last 3 years. Luckily I was able to explain to another immigration officer why and how it works.

I showed up at Bell Travel downstairs at 15:20 and they had seats available on 16:00 bus. Worth saving about 1000B to wait 40 min, which I killed by having something to eat and get a new sim card. Seems like all the ATMs at the airport now is charging the extra 150B for a withdrawal. But since I had enough B from my last trip I decided to save the 150B and find a good ATM in Pattaya instead, cheap as I may be sometimes. Actually it’s a matter of principles. There are enough extra charges and taxes: service charge, fuel surcharge, departure tax, administrative tax and bad exchange rates. Bank of Ayudhya (yellow ATM) did not charge me when in Pattaya.

Checked in at Metro Apartments and 15 minutes later I reported at devil’s Den. Picked Ning and Jar, and had an awesome 90 min session. I was so full of hormones I came 4 times. I can’t remember having done that before. Both girls are highly recommendable. Suffering of sleep deprivation from an overnight flight I went to bed early.

Got up early the next morning and did two dives of the coast of Pattaya. Lousy dives with crap visibility, not worth the time and money. In the evening I went out with a friend who lives in Pattaya and I brought him to Babydolls. He has lived there for 8 months but still hasn’t been to the place. He was very impressed by the shows and saw a few dancers he really fancied. So he decided to come back for himself the next week when the girlfriend was going home. I got very engaged with one of the showgirls and passed my previous record for naughtiness in a go-go. So I just had to BF her. Had a very good session with her. She claimed not to have done anal before. Yeah, right I thought. But when we tried it was no way I could get it in even with excessive use of KY. She wanted later during the night to see her sister. Since I had my 3 pops I was ok with that. But will not repeat because of it. Something to do with attitude.

The next day I took the bus to Sriracha where I met I girl which I chatted with on Internet. It didn’t materialize into any action, but had a good day with an excellent dinner. I decided to let it be a resting day and was back in the room by midnight. But some fucking wankers was having a bloody wedding party in the street in Soi Metro and played some horrible live Thai music as loud as possible. My room wasn’t even facing the street, but couldn’t sleep before 0230. So much for this soi being a quiet area.

The day after I was driving along Beach Rd and I spotted a girl named Na, a “famous” dark Beach Rd girl who has been mentioned on various forums. I did her last year, so decided to repeat. She could also offer 3-some with the friend she was hanging out with.

In the evening I ended up in beer bar on Beach Rd where I played bar games with a cute 24 year old with no children old. I liked her and wanted to BF her. But she told me she had her period. I’ll be damn what an idiot I am. And now it was almost 0200. So I sped of to Soi 7 and let me be dragged into a bar by I decent looking girl. Had a beer and BF her for the night. Pretty fresh from the province and spoke almost no English. One of those shy ones who insisted on showering alone. However it was a turn on to have a girl who was moaning in Thai only. No fuck me baby here. Well after the first round she wanted to sleep. It was late anyway.

The next day I booked myself a trip to Ko Chang. I parked the bike on beach Rd when I went for a coffee at Starbucks and I found it gone when I returned. Someone had seen the police pick it up. So I went to the police station at soi 9 and was lucky to find two elderly farangs who worked there as volunteers. One of them even of same nationality as me. I had to pay a fine of 400B and pick up the bike at place close to BigC in South Pattaya. So I got away quite easy. That was it from Pattaya for this time. Hope it will not be long before I’m back.

[QUOTE=Sterile]Thanks a lot, am doing that. One more question - although I will obviously bring money with me, how freely available are ATM machines (Cashpoints) in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I personally bring USD1,000 (USD500) travelers' checks as my financial institution offers this as a free service. The only fee I incur is that small transaction fee per check cashed at the money exchange or bank.

Look at how you might avoid paying the least amount of fees in your case ... everyone's financial position differs.

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]It's almost a month now since I came back from my last trip to Thailand. So it's time to submit a trip report

I was back for a two week holday in LOS again. This time I actually had a small problem at immigration. I travel frequently in my job and manage to fill up a passport in a year or two and since I might travel while my passport is away for a visa application I have a duplicate. In. This became a bit to much for the lady at immigration since they now had 4 different passports on my over the last 3 years. Luckily I was able to explain to another immigration officer why and how it works.

I showed up at Bell Travel downstairs at 15:20 and they had seats available on 16:00 bus. Worth saving about 1000B to wait 40 min, which I killed by having something to eat and get a new sim card. Seems like all the ATMs at the airport now is charging the extra 150B for a withdrawal. But since I had enough B from my last trip I decided to save the 150B and find a good ATM in Pattaya instead, cheap as I may be sometimes. Actually it’s a matter of principles. There are enough extra charges and taxes: service charge, fuel surcharge, departure tax, administrative tax and bad exchange rates. Bank of Ayudhya (yellow ATM) did not charge me when in Pattaya.

Checked in at Metro Apartments and 15 minutes later I reported at devil’s Den. Picked Ning and Jar, and had an awesome 90 min session. I was so full of hormones I came 4 times. I can’t remember having done that before. Both girls are highly recommendable. Suffering of sleep deprivation from an overnight flight I went to bed early.

Got up early the next morning and did two dives of the coast of Pattaya. Lousy dives with crap visibility, not worth the time and money. In the evening I went out with a friend who lives in Pattaya and I brought him to Babydolls. He has lived there for 8 months but still hasn’t been to the place. He was very impressed by the shows and saw a few dancers he really fancied. So he decided to come back for himself the next week when the girlfriend was going home. I got very engaged with one of the showgirls and passed my previous record for naughtiness in a go-go. So I just had to BF her. Had a very good session with her. She claimed not to have done anal before. Yeah, right I thought. But when we tried it was no way I could get it in even with excessive use of KY. She wanted later during the night to see her sister. Since I had my 3 pops I was ok with that. But will not repeat because of it. Something to do with attitude.

The next day I took the bus to Sriracha where I met I girl which I chatted with on Internet. It didn’t materialize into any action, but had a good day with an excellent dinner. I decided to let it be a resting day and was back in the room by midnight. But some fucking wankers was having a bloody wedding party in the street in Soi Metro and played some horrible live Thai music as loud as possible. My room wasn’t even facing the street, but couldn’t sleep before 0230. So much for this soi being a quiet area.

The day after I was driving along Beach Rd and I spotted a girl named Na, a “famous” dark Beach Rd girl who has been mentioned on various forums. I did her last year, so decided to repeat. She could also offer 3-some with the friend she was hanging out with.

In the evening I ended up in beer bar on Beach Rd where I played bar games with a cute 24 year old with no children old. I liked her and wanted to BF her. But she told me she had her period. I’ll be damn what an idiot I am. And now it was almost 0200. So I sped of to Soi 7 and let me be dragged into a bar by I decent looking girl. Had a beer and BF her for the night. Pretty fresh from the province and spoke almost no English. One of those shy ones who insisted on showering alone. However it was a turn on to have a girl who was moaning in Thai only. No fuck me baby here. Well after the first round she wanted to sleep. It was late anyway.

The next day I booked myself a trip to Ko Chang. I parked the bike on beach Rd when I went for a coffee at Starbucks and I found it gone when I returned. Someone had seen the police pick it up. So I went to the police station at soi 9 and was lucky to find two elderly farangs who worked there as volunteers. One of them even of same nationality as me. I had to pay a fine of 400B and pick up the bike at place close to BigC in South Pattaya. So I got away quite easy. That was it from Pattaya for this time. Hope it will not be long before I’m back.[/QUOTE]Are you going diving in Ko Chang? I'd like to hear how it is. I'm spending a week in Ko Samui before coming to Pattaya on my next trip just so I can get some good diving in.

[QUOTE=Kaukaukane]I personally bring USD1,000 (USD500) travelers' checks as my financial institution offers this as a free service. The only fee I incur is that small transaction fee per check cashed at the money exchange or bank.

Look at how you might avoid paying the least amount of fees in your case ... everyone's financial position differs.[/QUOTE]Kaukaykane,

I also bring American Express TC to Thailand in US 500, it is easy and cheap to cash it in Bangkok bank or money changer, charge per check is only 25 bht plus a small commision, most other country like China charge a fee of 5 USD for each check and they don't even want to cash them.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]It's almost a month now since I came back from my last trip to Thailand. So it's time to submit a trip report

[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the report.

Here's something nice courtesy of the Devil's Den in Pattaya.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbxWt3COjCI[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDevilsDenPattaya[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Here's something nice to get you in the mood courtesy of the Devil's Den in Pattaya.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbxWt3COjCI[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDevilsDenPattaya[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the links- am definitely stopping by the Devils Den this weekend- never checked them out, but the Eden Club is one of my favorites.

Anyone else in Pattaya this weekend, and want to grab a beer on Saturday? I'm staying at the Nova Platinum hotel (B1299 on-line rate including taxes and service). Drop me a PM.

Friendly

I'm off to Pattaya in the next few days and my favorite hotel, Areca, on Soi Diana no longer allows you to bring girls up without charging an extra 300 baht after the first.......Fascists. Does this mean each day or over night for the duration of the stay? Who knows, but I can't sponsor this hotel any longer because of this.

Looking for a decent hotel at 1,300 baht or less each day that doesn't charge a joiner's fee and isn't too far away from beach road/walking street. Didn't try the search because these things change and I'm looking for recent information.


BTW, what are the rates at Hell Club/Devil's Den now?

[QUOTE=Aslan]

Looking for a decent hotel at 1,300 baht or less each day that doesn't charge a joiner's fee and isn't too far away from beach road/walking street. Didn't try the search because these things change and I'm looking for recent information.[/QUOTE]I can recommend Victoria Inn on Soi 6 and Flipper House and Flipper Lodge, Soi 7 and 8.

Both are very girl friendly with no joiner fees. They both have websites.

Try this, its on Soi Lengkee 1, next to the Seven 11, between Soi Buakhaw and 3rd Rd., a three minute walk from Areca Lodge.

I've been there a couple of times, see my earlier reports. Its great, no problems, and cheap. From 650 to 900 incl. kitchen.

[url]http://www.opeydeplacepattaya.com/index.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Airhead]Are you going diving in Ko Chang? I'd like to hear how it is. I'm spending a week in Ko Samui before coming to Pattaya on my next trip just so I can get some good diving in.[/QUOTE]From my experience, which isn't all that vast, diving this time of the year isn't that great, it being the rainy season and all. But then any dive in Thailand is better then diving where I live, so I go anyway.

I havn't dove Koh Chang but its probably a lot like Koh Tao which is very nice indeed. They are both in the gulf of Thailand.

If you go to koh tao its byog bring your own girl, because you won't find many there who are up for grabs.

Have a great time diving, wang.

I am on my way to Pattaya for few days of R & R this week, and I was just wondering if any cricket fans can point me in the right direction towards a sports bar/club that is showing Ashes cricket series on a big screen.

Cheers in advance

[QUOTE=Osakagin]I am on my way to Pattaya for few days of R & R this week, and I was just wondering if any cricket fans can point me in the right direction towards a sports bar/club that is showing Ashes cricket series on a big screen.

Cheers in advance[/QUOTE]There are a few quite a few bars showing it. Specifically there was one in Soi 8 with comfy sofas and several good-sized screens hanging from the ceiling. Can't remember the name but if you wander down Soi 8 you can't miss it, or one of the many others.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Here's something nice courtesy of the Devil's Den in Pattaya.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbxWt3COjCI[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDevilsDenPattaya[/url][/QUOTE]Now that brings back some fine memories!

I can wholeheartedly recommend both Pim and Party for exceptional nights of pleasure.

[QUOTE=Aslan]I'm off to Pattaya in the next few days and my favorite hotel, Areca, on Soi Diana no longer allows you to bring girls up without charging an extra 300 baht after the first.......Fascists. Does this mean each day or over night for the duration of the stay? Who knows, but I can't sponsor this hotel any longer because of this.

Looking for a decent hotel at 1,300 baht or less each day that doesn't charge a joiner's fee and isn't too far away from beach road/walking street. Didn't try the search because these things change and I'm looking for recent information.

BTW, what are the rates at Hell Club/Devil's Den now?[/QUOTE]Last week there was no joiner fee at the Areca if only 1 girl per night stayed.

It could be a different girl every night.

The 300 Baht was levied if 2 girls together came to the room on 1 night.

[QUOTE=Aslan]I'm off to Pattaya in the next few days and my favorite hotel, Areca, on Soi Diana no longer allows you to bring girls up without charging an extra 300 baht after the first.......Fascists. Does this mean each day or over night for the duration of the stay? Who knows, but I can't sponsor this hotel any longer because of this.

Looking for a decent hotel at 1,300 baht or less each day that doesn't charge a joiner's fee and isn't too far away from beach road/walking street. Didn't try the search because these things change and I'm looking for recent information.


BTW, what are the rates at Hell Club/Devil's Den now?[/QUOTE]I'm booked at the Nova Platinum for this weekend for B1, 299 a night, including taxes and service. It was the best compromise of price and facilities- free internet, 32" flat panel TVs, etc. It's a short distance from Walking street, nice pool and quiet location, and they don't charge a joiner fee. Try to get one of the remodeled rooms (not sure if they have done all of them yet).

Devil's Den is 2 girls for B3600 for incall, and they are open from 1 pm to midnight.

[QUOTE=Woodman2]Last week there was no joiner fee at the Areca if only 1 girl per night stayed.

It could be a different girl every night.

The 300 Baht was levied if 2 girls together came to the room on 1 night.[/QUOTE]

I suppose 300 isn't that bad. Thank you for that clarification. Good to know. The rooms there are nice and I like the location.

[QUOTE=Airhead]Are you going diving in Ko Chang? I'd like to hear how it is. I'm spending a week in Ko Samui before coming to Pattaya on my next trip just so I can get some good diving in.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=903952&postcount=1227[/url]

The visibility there wasn't good at this time of the year.
If you are focusing on diving I would recommend Ko Tao instead of Ko Samui. For P4P however it's an other story.

will be coming to BKK & potentially to Pattaya next week. Was reading various forums and some claim Pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. Mongers out there now - how is it? Worth to spend few days in Pattaya or better off partying in BKK all week?

[QUOTE=Knobrm]will be coming to BKK & potentially to Pattaya next week. Was reading various forums and some claim Pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. Mongers out there now - how is it? Worth to spend few days in Pattaya or better off partying in BKK all week?[/QUOTE]Spend 4 days in pattaya and i am now in BKK. There is plenty of pussy but of very low low and I mean low quality. I would stick to pattaya if you have to do thailand, where I had much better luck and selection.

Bangkok or Pattaya: Which place has the best looking younger girls?

[QUOTE=Knobrm]will be coming to BKK & potentially to Pattaya next week. Was reading various forums and some claim Pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. Mongers out there now - how is it? Worth to spend few days in Pattaya or better off partying in BKK all week?[/QUOTE]

Aey of Annies in BKK keeps saying it's quiet there too.

[QUOTE=Joe Spaceman]Bangkok or Pattaya: Which place has the best looking younger girls?[/QUOTE]

Probably BKK, since it's much bigger, and a few guys say the looks
of P4P TGs are not so great in general in Pattaya. BKK has tons
of young hotties who visit places like Siam Paragon and MBK.
Though the girls of Pattaya in After Dark magazine look tasty.

Here's some examples of young ladies in BKK:

[url]http://angel26.kt.fc2.com/english01.html[/url]

[url]http://www.anniesbangkok.com/anniesgirls.html[/url]

After Dark magazine:

[url]http://www.dcothai.com/product_info.php?cPath=804&products_id=919[/url]

The last 2 weeks in Pattaya have been great.

Generally very quiet with the exception of Arab town. That is always busy at this time of year with the Indian and Arab mongers spreading out to all other parts of the town.

Beach road is back to normal. The police crack-down seems to be over and whatever time I walked it from 8am to 2pm and various times in between there was a full complement of girls about.

A little bit of desperation is setting in with the girls in the bars. Many are offering to meet after their shift so saving on the bar fine. Many are offering to pay their own bar fine. And twice I was offered 2 girls for 1500 Baht, the pair. It is definately a buyers market.

As for the quality of the girls. That is always subjective. Everybody has different tastes. But I had no problems finding girls to my taste. I just had to put a little effort in to finding them.

On my recent trip to Thailand I spent about 2 weeks in Pattaya. This is my third trip to Thailand. I spent 2 days in Bangkok, 2 weeks in Pattaya and 1 week in Phuket. The other reports are posted in the Bangkok and Phuket forums.

I stayed in ma maison the first days, but found it too expensive (B980) for the quality of the rooms. Later stayed one night in Apex (B600) but it was too noisy. Finally changed to Queen hotel (B700). Rooms were spacy but old and had small ants on the bathroom. But quiet and not so expensive.

On my first night in Pattaya I found a bar called Tiger Bar on second road between soi 7 and 8. I found a girl that captured my interest. Her name was "meow". I decided to barfine her for B300. Sex was not too good, very mechanical. I think there was a CBJ and me sucking her toes while fucking her. I didn't come inside her, she had to jerk me off and I came all over her. She was terrified and ran to the bathroom immediately.communication was a problem as she spoke almost no english at all. I saw her one more time later on the trip, but then decided to not see her again.

Next day I went back, thinking I would see Meow, but saw a girl outside a bar next to Tiger Bar called Little Mo's, they are now called Honey-something. She was a 9, definitely the best looking bar girl I ever saw on my 3 trips to Thailand. Her name was Gina, or "O". She was 21 yo and spoke very good english. I barfined her for B300.

Sex was very good, kissing, licking, BBBJ. I ended up spending a week with her, paying B1000 and B300 barfine a day. We went sightseeing and dancing. We went to Koh Samet and had a great time. Unfortunately it ended not so good.

At the end of the week she was in a bad mood. Last day she refused sex. Unfortunately I was completely in love with her by that time, and tried to convince her to stay. There was more problems as she lied and didn't turn up when we agreed. She wanted me to buy a necklace for B15000, and promised she would stay with me if I did. Of course I refused because I didn't trust her.

I spent 5 or 6 more days in Pattaya and visited several bars and go-gos. The go go bars was dissapointing. In "Happy a go go" a girl wanted B3000 for long time. And none of the girls were more than a 7 IMHO. I found a cute 19-year old girl in a karaoke bar next to the other bars I mentioned in second road. She was very cute and liked to talk dirty. Name was "Leung" or something.

I also found a girl somewhere in soi 8, don't remember the name. She went to my hotel and we fucked. The next day she went to the bathroom at around 8'o clock and came out fully dressed, wanting to leave. I had to practically force her to come back to bed and she was half-heartedly refusing when we had sex, "no, no! " I actually enjoyed that she was putting up a little fight. (she didn't really physically refuse of course). I paid B1500 as agreed and we parted.

It is also worth mentioning a bar I visited in soi 6. The first one on the left when walking from second road. Many girls outside. I picked one and went inside. She was wearing a school uniform and pigtails. She started rubbing my dick and after a while my dick was out and she was jerking me off right there. I couldn't refuse to follow her upstairs to the short-time room. The sex was OK with BBBJ and covered sex.

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How much does it typically cost to enter the gogo bars/nightclubs etc...

[QUOTE=Sterile]How much does it typically cost to enter the gogo bars/nightclubs etc...[/QUOTE]


No cover charge, just have to buy a drink. (S)low season now so they're begging you to come in.

Aisan,

Just pack up your bags and walk up to Soi Baukhao, cross the road, I think there is a family mart at the other corner and enter Soi Lengkee 1, to Opey De Place, mentioned earlier... [url]www.opeydeplacepattaya.com[/url] 760 baht per night.

Many Hotel are now charging the 300 baht, not just Areca Lodge, just another Thai marketing concept.

LBM

[quote=knobrm]will be coming to bkk & potentially to pattaya next week. was reading various forums and some claim pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. mongers out there now - how is it? worth to spend few days in pattaya or better off partying in bkk all week?[/quote]

well, this question is not easy to answer, since things in thailand and especially in the gogo bars change constantly.
i spent 10 days in bkk before i went for 1 months to pattaya and now i will be the last 18 days stay in bkk before this 2 months holiday is over.
pattaya is not a ghost town. walking street is full like in november last year, specially at weekends it got crowded.
just the people are different. in november there were more middle aged westerner. now the majority of mongers are from the middle eastern countries (indian, arabs, iranians, etc) and younger westerner (even teenager party crowd i saw there). also, there were as often, a rest and recreation invasion of the american armed forces. so, the clubs were full of western teens. the thai girls though were less attractive than in november imho. guess the stunners leave pattaya at low season for their family visits or work abroad. the majority of the better looking thai girls luring in walking street are no girls but ladyboys.
i got the impression that there are less stunner in pattaya like last november, but this was because the bars which were good last time lost many stunners, imho. but, i found out that many of those girls just work now in other bars. for example at the moment i like club blu (soi bua kaow), diamond agogo (soi diamond), what's up (near angelwitch).
good freelancer spots are the bar called "walking street" on walking street. starts early (about midnight or even before) and the staff is not pushy like in insomnia. insomnia is at the moment the late night freelancer spot, but the staff is very anoying. sometimes i got impression that there are more waiter who constantly running and pushing people around than customer.
for the middle eastern crowd the in spot is the club mixx.

but, back to the question is bkk better or pattaya in regard to girls? well, every night the things look different. yesterday i came back to bangkok and meet a freelancer who i knew from a former trip. she went with me to soi cowboy and nana. i showed her tilac, shark and angelwitch. tilac and shark were less good like in begin of june. seems that many stunner are on holiday now, or change the clubs. so, tilac and shark disappointed.

my general impression was that the girls in bangkok are taller, more leggy and curvy than the girls in pattaya. so, for the ****.., aeh guys who like underdevolped girls, pattaya has more to offer. while the ones whose like curvy girls bangkok has the better opportunities, imho. so, for me bangkok is the better place, also because there is much more to do, beside nightlife.

Just wondering if there are great oily massage like Tulip type here?

Some friends really like the oily massage like Tulip and Annie in Bangkok but they also want to spend some time in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Aey of Annies in BKK keeps saying it's quiet there too.[/QUOTE]Thats because they started charging 2500 B for the better looking girls.

I told her that if I was going to pay 2500 B, I would go to Darlings, and left.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet]Thats because they started charging 2500 B for the better looking girls.

I told her that if I was going to pay 2500 B, I would go to Darlings, and left.[/QUOTE]

I posted a reply in the Bangkok MP thread here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=905599&postcount=3047[/url]

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet]Thats because they started charging 2500 B for the better looking girls.

I told her that if I was going to pay 2500 B, I would go to Darlings, and left.[/QUOTE]I have been explaining that Thailand and Bangkok is not busy now, not us as in Annie’s.

I would like to also post that since the addition of the sideline it has made us the most busy we have been in the last 10 years and we are most happy with the results. Also bearing in mind that the sideline was requested by customers so now as a customer complaining about it and saying you would go else where because of a customer request makes it very hard for an owner. I will follow our numbers for now though.

Also what you have explained about my Business is quite incorrect.

We are not charging more for better looking girls. What we did was take into our staff ladies from higher end places and charged less for there time than the places they came from charged. Ladies like Letter B, one of the Superstars from JC infinity. Letter X a X star from Darlings. If you are posting that you think the ladies in our sideline are better looking then in your opinion this is true and can not argue with this thank you. Better looking professional staff work for a higher cost (fact)

If the 2500bt price is not for you then please take our 1700bt instead.

Our original ladies are the same price and we have not started to charge more (fact).

Thanks for comments re Pattaya. Sounds that I will at lease pay a visit to Pattaya after couple of nights in BKK, then and get back to city if offering is low quality. Happy to pay lower prices, but at the end willing to pay more for better quality girls. Ugly ones is a no-go for the buddy.

Will report my findings later.

[QUOTE=Knobrm]Thanks for comments re Pattaya. Sounds that I will at lease pay a visit to Pattaya after couple of nights in BKK, then and get back to city if offering is low quality. Happy to pay lower prices, but at the end willing to pay more for better quality girls. Ugly ones is a no-go for the buddy.

Will report my findings later.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, the girls in Pattaya might your taste, if you are into spinner with dark skin. If you are into curvy, fair skinned, leggy girls than you can still find them in Pattaya, but they are rare, therefore not easy to have and expensive. If you like that kind of girls than Bangkok is better, imho.

[QUOTE=Joe Spaceman]Bangkok or Pattaya: Which place has the best looking younger girls?[/QUOTE]

Pattaya, more natural and much cheaper than BKK.

[QUOTE=Knobrm]will be coming to BKK & potentially to Pattaya next week. Was reading various forums and some claim Pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. Mongers out there now - how is it? Worth to spend few days in Pattaya or better off partying in BKK all week?[/QUOTE]
I have returned now after having spent 2 months in Thailand.

************ Bangkok ************

Bars / GoGo:
- Soi Cowboy: max. 3 ladies of interest (nr. 137 in Shark, Leaky in Barracuda and a girl with cowboy hat in Joe's bar)
- Patpong: nothing
- Nana: max. 3 girls of interest

Massage:
- Sukhumvit soi's: nothing

(I think I frequented maybe 60% of all places like Annies, Teen Massage, Honey Massage, Angel, Euromassage, Geisha Fashion Massage, Aviva, Bangkok Teen etc. - checked many out on the internet before going there... the pictures don't match the reality)

- Ratchadapisek Road (Copa Cabana, Poseidon, Emmanuelle, Nataree, Ceasars etc.): nothing

- La Belle & Cupido: nothing

(La Belle had nice girls in their book but they were available for members only or Japanese customers. The rooms were the best I met in Bangkok and Pattaya. Great interior with jacuzzi, steaming bath etc.. Pick whatever girl (almost :-) ) and go there for the great experience)

Some guy wrote about Ann (14) in Infinity JC in Patpong should be 12 on a 10 scale. I went there but the place were shut down forever they said.

I didn't go to discos so maybe the interesting girls were there. Last year things were different. Many interesting girls when talking about either look or body or personality.


************ Pattaya ************

Bars / GoGo:

- First Sois & Soi 6, 7, 8, Soi Honey, Soi Gonzo, Soi Bacau, Soi Diana etc.: maybe a few sweeties (Party Bar and third bar in Soi 7)

- Beach Road: NADA

- Walking Street: I spent most of my time in Pattaya and saw a handfuld of interesting women during this period. Most were occupied walking hand-in-hand with falangs. I never saw them more than one time.

Massage:

- Second Road (Sabai Dee, Sabai Body etc.): NADA

Discos (Lucifer, Imsomnia etc.): again the few interesting ones had good (or bad) company.

Like in Bangkok things are not the same compared to last year. Girls are in general "low quality" to use an expression I saw in another post in here.

Having said that, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro in Brazil offer premium quality ladies. Go and change your bath into reais and try something else, if you haven't given the Brazilian ladies a change yet. On top of that their "moves" are better.

IF you go to Thailand: spend most of you time in BKK and spend only friday and saturday in Pattaya. The general level is higher all around in BKK. On other weekdays in Pattaya you don't see goodies.

Enjoy !.

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[QUOTE=Knobrm]will be coming to BKK & potentially to Pattaya next week. Was reading various forums and some claim Pattaya is like a ghost town, supply & quality of girls down. Mongers out there now - how is it? Worth to spend few days in Pattaya or better off partying in BKK all week?[/QUOTE]

Go to pattaya!

Whats are the best bars or places early afternoon in bangkok and pattaya to find good looking younger working girls (when I say young I mean (20-25)

For those of you that have travelled from BKK airport to Pattaya how much do you expect to pay for the trip? I'm talking about by car, not really into saving money by taking the bus. On the other hand, I don't see the point of getting ripped off needlessly, how much should I expect a taxi from the airport to set me back?

[QUOTE=Woodman2]Last week there was no joiner fee at the Areca if only 1 girl per night stayed.

It could be a different girl every night.

The 300 Baht was levied if 2 girls together came to the room on 1 night.[/QUOTE]This is correct as of yesterday. But if you enter the rear wing (Corona) with 2 girls - or indeed a girl without an ID card, and do so via the car park rather than through the lobby, then no registration or joiner fee is paid.

[QUOTE=Sterile]For those of you that have travelled from BKK airport to Pattaya how much do you expect to pay for the trip? I'm talking about by car, not really into saving money by taking the bus. On the other hand, I don't see the point of getting ripped off needlessly, how much should I expect a taxi from the airport to set me back?[/QUOTE]Well if your not into saving money, then why bother asking? Taxi from BKK to Pattaya you can get for 1000 bht, 800 if you really try hard. But nothing wrong with the bus ground floor and to the left the bell truck company 200 baht, its the business, air con bus, comfortable and takes same time as taxi.

Sterile,

When you come out of Immigration, turn left and go out the door, prior to that there will be many trying to wave you down for your business. Once you are out of the door you will see a Taxi booth, the cost is 1500 baht to Pattaya in a Taxi, which most likely will be a Toyota Vios, make sure you indicated to the clerk, toll included, you will see it mark on the bottom of slip!

I came back to Thailand this July and this the method I took to get to Pattaya. Although future responses might give you something cheaper I was told that the price was different from the Airport to Pattaya and that might be true since a trip from Pattaya to the Airport is much cheaper. I use a booth very dependable on the corner of Soi Diana and Soi Buakhoa for 900 baht including toll.

If you travel lite, taking the bus, depending when you arrive is a good option. Bell Travel, 200 baht and that includes toll in my opinion it is a steal even at 200 baht, last year it was 150 baht.

Good luck, LBM

[QUOTE=Aey Annies]

If the 2500bt price is not for you then please take our 1700bt instead.

Our original ladies are the same price and we have not started to charge more (fact).[/QUOTE]

Plus the 500 baht tip that is a required "tip"

is that correct Aey ?

BK

[QUOTE=Jokerstar]like in Bangkok things are not the same compared to last year. Girls are in general "low quality" to use an expression I saw in another post in here.

Having said that, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro in Brazil offer premium quality ladies. Go and change your bath into reais and try something else, if you haven't given the Brazilian ladies a change yet. On top of that their "moves" are better.

IF you go to Thailand: spend most of you time in BKK and spend only friday and saturday in Pattaya. The general level is higher all around in BKK. On other weekdays in Pattaya you don't see goodies.
[/QUOTE]

Well written Jokerstar. I am also going to spent 2 months in Thailand, though I have 2 weeks left. Well, I got the same impression in BKK the quality of girls regarding looks is a bit better than Pattaya in general, also I am now planing to spent my next holiday in Latin America, since I am a buttlover and Thailand with mainly flat asses girls is not the right hunting ground.

But, I wouldn't say that the weekends are for Pattaya. I found that during the weekends the clubs and GoGos are full of Sexpats which makes the ratio between doable girls and men to the worse. Better days are Mondays to thursdays imho. At that days the bars are not crowded and also the ratio between men and women is much better.

[QUOTE=DG69]Well written Jokerstar. I am also going to spent 2 months in Thailand, though I have 2 weeks left. Well, I got the same impression in BKK the quality of girls regarding looks is a bit better than Pattaya in general, also I am now planing to spent my next holiday in Latin America, since I am a buttlover and Thailand with mainly flat asses girls is not the right hunting ground.

But, I wouldn't say that the weekends are for Pattaya. I found that during the weekends the clubs and GoGos are full of Sexpats which makes the ratio between doable girls and men to the worse. Better days are Mondays to thursdays imho. At that days the bars are not crowded and also the ratio between men and women is much better.[/QUOTE]Going to Thailand I think one always have to pay Pattaya a visit. When talking girls you meet most interesting ones friday/saturday. I don't know if this is due to freelancers off their normal work come in or what. That was the reason for him to go these days.

But taking the ratio aspect into consideration you are right :-)

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming]Plus the 500 baht tip that is a required "tip"

is that correct Aey ?

BK[/QUOTE]Tips are based on service. It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money. Not good service no tip good service tip would be nice.

[QUOTE=Joe Spaceman]Whats are the best bars or places early afternoon in bangkok and pattaya to find good looking younger working girls (when I say young I mean (20-25)[/QUOTE]

Walk along beach road towards Soi 6. If you don't find anything along beach road that you like, then turn up Soi 7 or Soi 6 and stroll around the beer bars there until you find a girl that you like. IMHO that is where the best day time action is, others might have different views.

I have had this information for sometime before I forget about it I better post it now.

For those of you in or going to be in Pattaya, in regards to the topic of ATM'S charges of 150 baht for foreign debit and credit cards holders. It has already been mentioned that the following Banks are not charging the fee. Here are some locations of those Banks if you happen to be within the area and what to save 150 baht per withdraw and put it towards a beer to two.

Aeon ATM, One located on the main level of Carrefour but it has been OFF-LINE FOR 2 WEEKS NOW. There is also a Aeon Branch and a bunch of machines at Tesco, just off Pattaya Nua Rd.

Government Bank ATM: ( to some Thai's this is consider the Kings Bank ) Red but close to pink color machine. One located upstairs in Carrefour, just outside the super market.

UOB ATM, always located next to their Money Exchange Booth:

One located on 2rd, on left hand side right after Soi 13/3, One located on Beach Rd, left hand side right after Mike department store just before Soi 12.

One located on Soi 13/2 near Beach Rd. across from Pizza Hut.

Good luck, LBM

[QUOTE=Sterile]For those of you that have travelled from BKK airport to Pattaya how much do you expect to pay for the trip? I'm talking about by car, not really into saving money by taking the bus. On the other hand, I don't see the point of getting ripped off needlessly, how much should I expect a taxi from the airport to set me back?[/QUOTE]
There are a few taxi services that will meet you at the airport and deliver you to Pattaya for 1100 Baht. Just Google "Pattaya Taxi" and you will get a good list. My favorite is VR Private Taxi Service. I've used them 4 times, and they're VERY dependable. The driver will wait for you at the airport with your name on a placard, and he'll drop you off at your Pattaya hotel about an hour and a half later. No drama.

[url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Diceman]Well if your not into saving money, then why bother asking? Taxi from BKK to Pattaya you can get for 1000 bht, 800 if you really try hard. But nothing wrong with the bus ground floor and to the left the bell truck company 200 baht, its the business, air con bus, comfortable and takes same time as taxi.[/QUOTE]Bellbus is perfect but operates only four or five times a day.

Thanks to all for that great info. To the poster that asked why I'm asking how much if I'm not bothered about saving money with the bus - the simple reason is I don't want to be a gullible tourist paying over the odds and ultimately making it harder for us all to get a fair deal. Thanks again to all

Hello @ll,

thinking to come for my first time to Thailand to enjoy the beaches and the sea and so far my best favourite girls are russians, I guess if somebody could tell me how is the situation ?

Are in Pattaya a lot russians pros ? Easy to find and at which range of price ?

Thanks a lot in advance

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hello @ll,

thinking to come for my first time to Thailand to enjoy the beaches and the sea and so far my best favourite girls are russians, I guess if somebody could tell me how is the situation ?

Are in Pattaya a lot russians pros ? Easy to find and at which range of price ?

Thanks a lot in advance[/QUOTE]


Hi Lukasek, actually there are no Russian Hookers in Pattaya as far I could recon. The once strolling along Walking Street and Beach Road at night are Uzbeks, Kazaks and the like.
There might be some Russian Hookers at MixX, but I am not sure about that, since that girls can be Tourists, also. The Russians in Insomnia are Tourists.
The Uzbek and Kazahs aren't pretty at least not for Westerner. Their main clients are Middle Eastern Guys. Guess it gives them a kick to have sex with a almost white women, or they just like a bit more flesh on the bones. Anyway I think thei can't be too expensive, since many of the middle eastern Tourists are tight on budget.
I spoke once with a Madagascar and a Brazilian Hooker in Pattaya and they asked for 2000 Baht LT. I didn't took them to the Hotel, but the Madagascar one seems to a nice one.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hello @ll,

thinking to come for my first time to Thailand to enjoy the beaches and the sea and so far my best favourite girls are russians, I guess if somebody could tell me how is the situation ?

Are in Pattaya a lot russians pros ? Easy to find and at which range of price ?

Thanks a lot in advance[/QUOTE]

There are only about 3 or four at the moment. Asked the price from a 30 something black haired size 8 with a heroin chic look and got her down to 800 ST. However there is only one really good looking I've seen who looks about 18 but I would say its going to be upwards of 2K for ST.

Stay in BKK/Soi 4 for Russians.

Thanks friends.

My mistake, as with russians I meant girl from FSU, uzbek girl as well. ( btw I am planning to go to Tashkent soon to check the real situation there, but for me a real holiday, it is to a city on the sea or ocean).

However it seems the FSU girls scene in Pattaya is nothing it worth to go till there. ( I live in west europe ).

Instead to make me post in Bankok too, what exactly could I expect to find in BKK/Soi 4 ?

[QUOTE=Aey Annies]Tips are based on service. It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money. Not good service no tip good service tip would be nice.[/QUOTE]

Whether you pay 1700bt or 2500bt you ARE paying for a service - usually a FUCK!. So why pay a tip? If the service expected is below par, then expect a rebate. Why pay full price for crap!

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hello @ll,

thinking to come for my first time to Thailand to enjoy the beaches and the sea and so far my best favourite girls are russians, I guess if somebody could tell me how is the situation ?

Are in Pattaya a lot russians pros ? Easy to find and at which range of price ?

Thanks a lot in advance[/QUOTE]

The essence of worldwide mongering is to try the local girls everywhere you go.

After trying Argie chicas and Brasilian garotas you should try Thais too.

Combined with a hot bath and a body massage it's very good. Believe me.

Have fun