American Politics

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2525195]Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.[/QUOTE]Nope, you're completely wrong. Probably brainwashed by the liberal media and unable to think for yourself.

Things don't happen in a vacuum. Radicals inspires radicals. A summer of far left violence will inspire and encourage the far right to act. But most importantly, adults needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Trump didn't storm the Capitol, neither did he explicitly tell anyone to storm the Capitol. This is all just a ridiculous witch-hunt. What happened with free speech? Trump can be proud, he did nothing wrong and the biggest losers in all of this will be the American people. 2021 might go to history as the year when USA threw free speech out the window.

I'm still waiting for the day when the liberal politicians will take responsibility for their own actions. They started the conspiracy theories and ridiculed US elections by claiming that Russia stole the election and Trump was a "illegitimate" president. The liberals opened the door for the idea that US elections can be rigged.

It's sad to see how some people are so incredibly brainwashed by the liberal media.

Impeachment is the only line of defense (well, maybe the 25th amendment, also) against an unfit president. For an unprecedented time, this happened twice to DJT. There is no taking it back. The one article of impeachment for inciting insurrection will be delivered to the US Senate. A TRIAL is scheduled to begin on February 9th. Impeachment managers will unfold a multimedia extravaganza, with " a huge trove of video and photos depicting the event" lest senators get bored like impeachment 1. 0. The main video features DJT himself inciting the attack with snarling glee, promising to, but neglecting to lead the way. The trial is unlikely to succeed in a conviction, and Republicans daring to vote for conviction will face the consequences. Don't touch that dial: the Biden administration, boring. No drama. Except for 38 US Capitol Police testing positive for Covid 19 after the Capitol Riot on January 6th.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524801]So you actually believe that Biden wants to unite the nation? LMFAO!

In a way it's actually true, he wants to unite the nation but without having to compromise on a single issue. Joe Biden is the most radical left wing president USA ever seen.[/QUOTE]In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2525244]In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. There are obviously several mentally incompetent democrat (socialists) here. We should not take them seriously and arguing with mentally incompetent individuals is doing none of us any good.

[URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2523022][b]"Agent Orange"[/b], worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump [i] 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'.[/i] Well at least he got that right.

[b]"Agent Orange"[/b], will be facing lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct, including rape; criminal investigations by both state and federal prosecutors in New York; a Senate impeachment trial that could bar him from holding federal office again; and potentially both civil and criminal exposure for his weekslong efforts to spark chaos at the USA Capitol in order to prevent Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election. The ONLY US president to be impeached twice. What a legacy of FAILURES!

[b]"Agent Orange"[/b], makes Al Gore, looks like a choir boy.

But according to "The Terminator", [b]"Agent Orange"[/B], WON'T BE BACK....kkkkkkkkkk![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2525244]In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.[/QUOTE]Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2525208]Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.[/QUOTE]You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525207]Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.[/QUOTE]So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

"Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized."

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/ex-military-cops-us-capitol-riot-a1cb17201dfddc98291edead5badc257[/URL]

With the FBI, doing a deep dive, no doubt more evidence will come to light, with regards to the Jan. 6 insurrection, being [i]a pre-meditated and coordinated plan of attack, on the Capitol.[/i]

[b][i]The herrings will bring to light and uncover how "Agent Orange", maybe involved.[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2525256]Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk![/QUOTE]Didn't sweat it for a second.

It is what it is.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2525263]So voting liberal is the solution? [/QUOTE]Always has been Gene.

Don't let Trump steal your future votes.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2525262]You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.[/QUOTE]Exactly what policies had a positive impact?

His great gains in unemployment were at the cost of adding $500 b to the annual deficit. Even then he only achieved one year of +3% GDP growth. The rest of the time it has been low 2's or less which Trump said of Obama achieving similar the Obama was a failure even though he shronk the deficit by 600 b a year rather than expand it. So by Trumps own criteria he failed.

Current account deficit grew significantly under Trump because of his nonsense trade wars. Fail.

Environmental policy. Fail.

Health policy. Fail.

Foreign policy. Fail.

Domestic policy. Fail. People are more partisan and divided than ever.

Immigration. I would call it a fail but others would disagree. The reality is the border wall he wanted he could of had but would not accept DACA so instead most construction has gone on replacing existing barriers. Pretty much a waste of time anyway as most illegals are visa overstays and smuggling is done through the border crossings. Much of the rest is debatable. It is more about the processes employed than the outcomes.

As Trump was incapable of working with democrats most of what he did was by executive orders. Most of these will be over-ridden by Biden in the next month.

So basically 4 years of manbaby tantrums to achieve no lasting benefit.

[QUOTE=Canada;2525115]What is really obvious is you only condone violence from the right. Biden is doing nothing to stop the left BLM and Antifa from destroying property, looting and physical violence. Does this mean Biden should be impeached because he is allowing it? Are you liberals proud of yourself for your beliefs that defunding the police, open borders, abolish ice, transgender men or women in children bathrooms. Is this really the values of Americans who care for their country? Who care to keep children safe? Do you really believe that we should allow millions of people to come into our country and take jobs away from our citizens? Our kids? Our friends? Why do you hate the American way of life? Do you really think your parents would be proud of your thinking? Do you really believe that your parents and grandparents were all racist and their history should be abolished? Why are you still living in such a horrible country that needs all these changes. Do you really believe that this will make America better? If you are proud of this it pretty much sums up who you are.[/QUOTE]I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2525308]I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.[/QUOTE]If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2525325]If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.[/QUOTE]Haha, here you are with your tinfoil hat, it's almost as you never heard of COVID-19. But sure, let's blame the republicans for the coronavirus.

I'm sure that the Republicans are aware that they have nothing to gain from more immigration and affirmative action.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525141]I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?[/QUOTE]So what? Your typically inane response has [B]ABSOLUTELY nothing[/B] to do with your original statement that Democrats [B]Encouraged[/B] BLM to riot and destroy things.

Show me evidence. Show me the same type of evidence against the Democrats that they are using against Trump.

I'll wait.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2525308]I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.[/QUOTE]That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2525263]So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.[/QUOTE]It's not ideal but sometimes the choice is the lesser of 2 evils. While I generally support conservative policies, logistics matter and the Trump administration did a poor job of execution and follow through. Most of his best policies were ones any Republican president would have supported. But good ideas are worthless with poor execution.

On the flip, his worst policies are really, really bad and at best, short sighted (fossil fuels over renewable energy). He's too impulsive and only sees what's immediately in front of him, incapable of controlling primal instincts to strategically think 2 steps ahead. His international policies alienated every major powerful ally and one more term would have guaranteed that America would be left on an island with only 2nd rate economic allies that just relied on American exploitation of weak nations. Look at the band of misfit nations that remained allied with us. Turkey? Brasil? A bunch of South American nations? We only retained them because they had few other options. Meanwhile, China controls the Pacific, owns African infrastructure, and are diligently making headway in our own backyard propping up failing South American nations.

It's not 1960 anymore where America was the sole capitalist superpower. America now needs the world more than the world needs America. Europe knows this and is working to free themselves of American influence directly due to Trump's erratic and predictably unpredictable policies.

Don't let the disgusting odor of liberal identity politics cloud your judgement. A thriving America geared towards growth needs a healthy blend of self reliance, making use of our own natural resources, and free market innovation while strategically deploying social / socialist policies and embracing some the the inevitable trend towards globalism. We can't just isolate ourselves and exploit weaker nations. We have to play the game or else see our rivals unite and leave us behind.

Can't win the game if you don't play the game.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2525195]Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.[/QUOTE]I like your views. It's sad that when someone like yourself is able stick to your beliefs but able to objectively see the positive characteristics of the other side, only to be criticized because you didn't buy in and drink the entirely gallon of orange Kool Aid. If only the general public, those who identify as liberal and also those identifying as conservative, can objectively parse the pro's and cons of their own ideologies. You would think that a sex mongering forum would have more people who can think and act outside of their pack mentalities.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2525325]If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.[/QUOTE]Likewise if Democrats didn't pander so much to identity politics themselves, they wouldn't alienate the cultural majority who see themselves as having the most to lose. Democrats would easily and consistently win the majority of federal offices for the next 2 decades if they would just put down the emotional politics themselves and just govern with sound policy. US Government does too much social engineering, at least with respect to the marketing of their platforms.

If the Bernie / AOC wing itself would say a couple positive things about capitalist policies, you know the economic system that led to the wealthiest society in history, perhaps they wouldn't scare off so many people who are actually benefiting from the current system.

More figures like John Kasich, Andrew Yang, or Tulsi Gabbard are much needed right now. I would even take a Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan ticket circa 2012 in 2024. Joe can't possibly serve 2 terms and to hell with Kamala Harris.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2525263]So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.[/QUOTE]In a two party system, this comment is laughable. But you, could simply exercise your RIGHT NOT TO VOTE.

Hey, vote liberal, vote for the Democrats, if you think it's the LESSER of TWO EVILS. You don't have to agree will all their politics. Geez!

Please check out the many critiques of USA politics and "culture" by George Carlin who transformed himself into quite a seer.

He talks about how beautiful america was when the colonist invaders arrived and trashed it, creating a mini mall inside a mega mall, which suits many just fine. "We hold these truths self evident. ".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2525435]So what? Your typically inane response has [B]ABSOLUTELY nothing[/B] to do with your original statement that Democrats [B]Encouraged[/B] BLM to riot and destroy things.

Show me evidence. Show me the same type of evidence against the Democrats that they are using against Trump.

I'll wait.[/QUOTE]I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/[/URL]

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2525470]In a two party system, this comment is laughable. But you, could simply exercise your RIGHT NOT TO VOTE.

Hey, vote liberal, vote for the Democrats, if you think it's the LESSER of TWO EVILS. You don't have to agree will all their politics. Geez![/QUOTE]A liberal wanting people to vote for the Dems or not vote at all. What a shocker!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525439]That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.[/QUOTE]Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced with Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which did NOT give any banks or lending institutions permission to write bogus mortgage loans. That would have been the job of George W. Bush's Office of Thrift Supervision to supervise, monitor and prevent.

But, surprise surprise, the typically anti-regulation Republican administration had no interest in doing their job of supervising to enforce the regulations of mortgage lending. A thousand Glass-Steagalls in place would not have prevented a financial collapse if an administration's Treasury Department has no interest or motivation from the top to enforce the regulations in them. Particularly when an uptic in homeownership was about the only economic plus the Bush administration could crow about even if it was held together by spit and chewing gum.

Moreover, the repeal of Glass-Steagall was promoted (Republican Senator Gramm spearheaded the replacement Act) and approved by an overwhelming veto-proof Republican Majority controlled Senate (something like 95% passed it in the Senate) under a very lame duck then President Clinton at the end of 1999. No way could he have prevented it from being repealed and replaced.

The "ridiculously high inflation" under Carter was fed by wage inflation caused by too many jobs being created for too few applicants to fill them. We should only be so lucky to someday have such a terrible economic problem under Repub stewardship. It also happens to be one of the easiest economic "problems" to solve as long as you have a President with the nerve to appoint a Fed Chaiman to do what is necessary yet politically deadly to solve it; raise Fed Funds Rates/Interest Rates, raise the cost of borrowing money and cool down an overheated economy.

Being told bluntly by Volker what he would do to tame inflation was the reason Carter appointed him despite his knowing it could be political suicide. It was the right thing to do for the U.S. economy. So the Fed decisions are not as independent of the president who appoints him or her as some might think.

Which is exactly what Carter's Fed Chaiman appointee Paul Volker did beginning in the last quarter of 1979. By the second quarter of 1980 the rate of inflation began to decline and continued to steadily decline almost month over month with only 2-3 mild exceptions here and there for the next 3 years. Of course, Reagan was only too happy to take credit for it in his "Morning in America" 2nd term campaign ads even though he had absolutely nothing to do with accomplishing it.

"double dip recession"? No such thing exists in nature or anywhere else in economic history. That was a concept invented by Reagan supporters who wanted somehow to blame Reagan's Great Recession of late 1981-1983 on Carter. Volker's move did indeed purposely induce a mini recession in the first half of 1980. It barely qualified as a recession by the classic definition of one. There was one quarter of GDP contraction (as intended) at about -7% followed by a second quarter of contraction at a fraction of 1%.

By the time Reagan was elected in November 1980 and inaugurated in January 1981, Carter's recovery from that mini, controlled recession was producing a +7.5% GDP Growth quarter followed by a +8.5% GDP Growth quarter, a steadily declining rate of inflation, a steadily declining unemployment rate from a one month high during that mini recession of 7.8% into the mid/low 7% range that continued well into 1981. Nothing close to recessionary conditions by any measure.

Then Reagan's policies began to hit the streets. Following one of the best average annual jobs creation presidencies of all time (Carter), Reagan's unemployment rate began to climb under his Recession that did not even begin until the last quarter of 1981 and then took the unemployment rate into 10%+ figures for a whopping 10 consecutive months stretching through his second and third year in office.

Again, I have researched and watched enough horrific Great Recessions and skyrocketing unemployment rates follow Repub favorite "pro growth, job creating, pro business" Supply-Side/Trickle-Down nonsense policies in an environment of repealed or unenforced regulations to know those two dots are the easiest to justifiably connect in any era.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525513]I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/[/URL]

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.[/QUOTE]The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

USA —CNN and other media outlets praised President Biden for causing the sun to rise this morning.

"The sun rose again this morning after a long absence," said CNN anchor Don Lemon. "As the sunlight peaked over the mountains, bathing the earth in its warm, shimmering light, like the loving embrace of America's new president, I felt a tingling sense of bubbling peace spring up in my soul and shoot out my fingertips as if I were an empty vessel being filled with some kind of intergalactic energy source used to power alien spaceships. I am a soul reborn. America has been made anew. "

According to every credible journalist on TV, President Biden has ushered in an era of hope and light after 4 years of darkness.

Chris Cuomo, in a morning address to the nation, echoed these sentiments, saying: "The midnight rains have washed away the hate and division of the past, like that one scene in The Lion King where Simba roars and Pride Rock is restored to its former glory. As my spirit briefly reflected on the pain and darkness of the last 4 years, I shed a single tear. The restoring rain, falling from the open skies, washed my tear away, never to be seen again. Hope has been reborn, and its name is Joe Biden. ".

Cuomo then went on to promise he would do his duty and cover the Biden Administration with the same journalistic toughness he had with the Trump Administration.

Some scientific experts contested the idea that Biden had actually caused the sun to rise, instead suggesting that journalists had never bothered to notice the sunrise over the last 4 years because they were so preoccupied with how much they hated Trump.

The scientific experts were quickly dismissed as haters, bigots and Trump supporters and have since been suspended from Twitter. . . "

Semisatire. Babylon Bee.

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2525530]The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES![/QUOTE]

Anyone ready for a Volume 2, obstruction of justice?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2525521]Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-[/QUOTE]Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2525530]The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES![/QUOTE]LMFAO! You can't even read. I have never claimed that Biden "stole" any election. Maybe you should learn how to read before you write your liberal BS.

Please point out my lies. You're obviously the liar of the two of us.

Clinton didn't really concede, nor did the Democratic Party. The way they cried about Russia stealing the election and Trump not being a legitimate president is not how you expect the leaders of the opposition party to act in a civilized democracy. The Republicans should investigate and impeach Biden just as the Democrats did against Trump after the election in 2016.

How many years did the Muller investigation last? Several years? And they found nothing against Trump.

How long did they investigate Biden and his ties to criminals in Ukraine? A minute?

You're just another liberal afraid of the truth.

Just look at the liberal cities protecting illegal aliens. Not to mention the BLM / antifa terrorists.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525513]I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/[/URL]

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.[/QUOTE]Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525141]I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?[/QUOTE]Answer is.

Choice "ce". People of all education levels, confident enough in their individual abilities, talents and appeal to allow others to compete on level playing fields, compared to the typical republican completely dependent on Daddy's money and stature.

Imagine you are Andrew Giuliani, son of Rudy Giuliani.

Washed out as a professional golfer that went nowhere after seven years.

Dad has gotten you a job working for the Trump campaign for $95 K a year.

In 5 days Andrew Giuliani will turn 35 years old.

Headlines today read that the large inheritance he was expecting, especially since Dad contracted Covid.

Will probably never cross the palms of his privileged hands, but instead likely going to Dominion Voting because of the lies Rudy can't stop singing.

Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2525560]Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.[/QUOTE]Well, Clinton didn't respect the outcome of the election. She claimed that Russia stole the election and called Trump an "illegitimate president".

Trump did the right thing to 100%. He acted just the same as Hillary Clinton and the other libtards did.

It's easy to see that I'm right and you've forgotten what happened after Trumps beautiful victory in 2016.

Trump can't and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of others. Just as the liberal media and liberal politicians shouldn't be held responsible for the riots / terrorism caused by their fellow ideologists.

Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Vol 1 ,pg 75.

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. Vol 2 pg 97,112,113.

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGsnn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGann refused. Trump then ordered McGann to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. Vol 2 pg 89,120.

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and private. Vol 2, pg 120-228,144-152.

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose, to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. Vol 2 pg 101-103.

In short, Mueller indicated that the report was an impeachment referral, leaving the matter to the House of Representatives.

"Congress May apply obstruction laws to the President's corrupt excercise of the powers of office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law " Vol 2, pg 8.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525544]Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your reasonable response and reply to my lengthy post. lol. As you can see I am into this kind of lively political discussion on a more reality-based historical data and record of results level as you seem to be as well. I should have cited and lauded your observations on some good and bad on both sides before. Well, I am not a fan of "bothsiderism" in political analysis, not saying you are, because it tends to elevate the side that consistently promotes policies that crash the economy and denigrates the side that consistently recovers us from those crashes, only serving to help the former win elections over the latter. I'll pass on that nicety until I see it helping more Dems win over Repubs, which I have yet to witness. But some points you made were very much worth considering.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525572]Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.[/QUOTE]Didn't think anything could get worse than the status quo for stateside mongers. But here it is.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525567]Answer is.

Choice "ce". People of all education levels, confident enough in their individual abilities, talents and appeal to allow others to compete on level playing fields, compared to the typical republican completely dependent on Daddy's money and stature.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! You still did not answer my question; are Biden&Pelosi racists or did ACO and Camela Harris falsely accuse their fellow party members of being racists?

As to your claim, you couldn't be more wrong. What kind of bizarre bubble are you living in? The Democrats are actively working against USA being a meritocracy. Affirmative action is the opposite of being a Meritocracy and "confident enough in their individual abilities".

You are actively working for USA to become a sectarian country like Lebanon. I'm sure that will work out good.

China, Iran and antifa, those are Biden's and USA's new best friends.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525572]Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.
The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.
The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.
The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.
Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.[/QUOTE]Democrats just getting started. Wonder what Kambala Harris if given have a chance would do to people who use this website and engage in the activities under discussion here? And it isn't only about 'in America': just look at Julian Assange and what happens to other 'deplorables' and anyone else they don't like.

In hard-hitting press conference, press demands to know Biden's favorite Disney princess.

"Washington, the. See. —In a brutal press conference this morning, courageous journalists asked hard-hitting questions of the incoming administration. In one particularly tense exchange, Press Secretary Jen Psaki was forced to reveal President Biden's favorite Disney Princess.

"Please, Miss Press Secretary, Please! Please!" asked CNN correspondent Kaitlan Collins. "We need to know President Biden's favorite Disney princess! Is it Belle? Or maybe Jasmine?" she said while waving her hand and jumping up and down.

"Wow, what a fantastic question," responded Psaki. "I haven't asked the President that, so I will have to get back to you. Whoever it is, I'm sure his favorite is an empowered woman of color."

Undeterred, the press pool continued to follow up on the question, demanding a clearer answer.

"OK, fine," responded a slightly frustrated Psaki, "It's Moana. His favorite is Moana."

"NO IT'S NOT! Came a muffled voice from behind the curtain that sounded a lot like Joe Biden. "My favorite is that one with all the hair! Rappatootie! Rattatatpunzle! Refunzle! Whatever her name is! Hey! Let go of me! Where are you taking me?" "I don't want to go back down in the basement!

There was the sound of a scuffle from behind the curtain and the voice faded away.

As the press conference resumed, journalists continued to grill the Press Secretary, asking further tough hard hitting questions like:

"Does President Biden prefer puppy kisses or kitty cuddles?

"So. Does President Biden like being President?

"Who is his favorite ninja turtle?

"Can I go to the bathroom please? I'm sorry, MAY I go to the bathroom?

Journalists everywhere have praised Biden's new press conferences as "A welcome return to civility and truth."

The New York Times also praised the press conference and ran a 12-page in-depth report on why Biden's choice of Moana as the best Disney princess is brilliant.

So refreshing!

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525578]Well, Clinton didn't respect the outcome of the election.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Philosophus;2525560]Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election.[/QUOTE]The truth 1, ShooBree 0.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525578]She claimed that Russia stole the election and called Trump an "illegitimate president".[/QUOTE]Hillary was part of the 500 K crowd that sat through TrumpShit's American Carnage speech.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525578]Trump did the right thing to 100%.[/QUOTE]The truth 2, ShooBree 0.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525578]He acted just the same as Hillary Clinton and the other libtards did.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Philosophus;2525560]the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent.[/QUOTE]The truth 3, ShooBree 0.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525694]LMFAO! You still did not answer my question; are Biden&Pelosi racists or did ACO and Camela Harris falsely accuse their fellow party members of being racists?[/QUOTE]Once again I am laughing my ass off at you.

That was not the question you asked.

I quoted (and answered) the question that you asked, that was not it.

I know your English skills are poor (based on your prior posts).

But are you also suffering from blindness?

(BTW: That's how you structure and punctuate a question in English).

I am sure that if you asked Vice-President Kamala Harris today if her running mate, President Joe Biden, was a racist. She would say he is not a racist.

We know Joe much better today than a year ago, at least those who care to learn.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525820]The truth 1, ShooBree 0.

Hillary was part of the 500 K crowd that sat through TrumpShit's American Carnage speech.

The truth 2, ShooBree 0.


The truth 3, ShooBree 0.[/QUOTE]Calling the president "illegitimate" and pretending that Russia "stole" the election is a sure way to undermine the confidence of US elections, and that's what Hillary Clinton did.

Truth 1 - 0 Scatmandoo.

Hillary attending the inauguration is irrelevant.

Truth 2 - 0 Scatmandoo.

According to me Trump did the right thing, if you disagree then it's your personal and highly uninteresting opinion.

Truth 3 - 0 Scatmandoo.

People are responsible for their own actions, trying to blame everything bad on Trump is a typical move for dishonest left-wing radicals.

Truth 4 - 0 Scatmandoo.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525828]Once again I am laughing my ass off at you.

That was not the question you asked.

I quoted (and answered) the question that you asked, that was not it.

I know your English skills are poor (based on your prior posts).

But are you also suffering from blindness?

(BTW: That's how you structure and punctuate a question in English).

I am sure that if you asked Vice-President Kamala Harris today if her running mate, President Joe Biden, was a racist. She would say he is not a racist.

We know Joe much better today than a year ago, at least those who care to learn.[/QUOTE]What a load of nonsense. Your childish and ignorant attacks against me are just a reflection of what a stupid little troll you truly are. You are laughable.

I've asked the same question twice and you've yet to give me a real answer. You're obviously afraid of answering my question.

Did you mean to say that Biden was a racist but not anymore? He stopped being a racist after he let Camela Harris in on his ticket? LOL!

You didn't even the mention the lizard woman and the horse face with the crazy eyes. Is the lizard woman a racist or is the horse face a crazy SJW plying the race card?

If Biden isn't a racist, Camela Harris must be a true wacko running around and falsely accusing people of being racists.

So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you. "

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food. "

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIs[/URL]

A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.

"Europeans like Biden, but they don't think America will come back as a global leader," said the thinktank's director, Mark Leonard. "When George W Bush was president, they were divided about how America should use its power. With Biden entering the White House, they are divided about whether America has power at all."

The survey of 15,000 people in 11 European countries, conducted at the end of last year, found that the shift in European sentiment towards the US in the wake of the Trump presidency had led to a corresponding unwillingness to support Washington in potential international disputes.

At least half of respondents in all 11 countries surveyed felt, for example, that their government should remain neutral in any conflict between the US and China, while no more than 40% in any country said they would back Washington against Russia.

"It's clear that the tumultuous Trump presidency has left an indelible imprint on Europe's attitude towards the US," said Ivan Krastev, chair of the Centre for Liberal Strategies, an NGO in Sofia, and an ECFR board member. "The majority of Europeans are now sceptical about the capacity of the US to shape the world. It makes many, rightly or wrongly, want to opt for a more independent role for the EU in the world."

In their report, Leonard and Krastev note that while more than 60% of those polled believed the US was "broken", most evaluated the EU and their own countries' systems much more positively an opportunity, they argue, to harness the collective power of the bloc for the benefit and protection of its citizens.

The survey found that 51% of those polled did not agree with the statement that under Biden the US was likely to resolve its internal divisions and seek to address international issues such as climate change, peace in the Middle East, relations with China or European security.

Amid a widespread sense of growing Chinese superiority, 79% of those polled in Spain, 72% in Portugal, 72% in Italy and 63% in France said they thought China would overtake the US as the world's leading superpower within the next decade.

Just over 32% of all respondents and a startling 53% of respondents in Germany felt that after voting for Trump, Americans could not be trusted. Only in Hungary and Poland did significantly more people disagree with that view than agree.

Just 10% of those polled saw the US as a "reliable" security partner that would always protect Europe, while at least 60% in every country polled said they doubted their country could depend on US support in the event of a crisis.

The authors say the geopolitical consequences of this shift are significant: two-thirds of those surveyed said it was now important that Europe look after its own defence, including 72% in Portugal, 71% in Sweden, 70% in France and 69% in Poland.

At least half of respondents in every country surveyed said they would prefer their government to be neutral in a conflict between the US and China. Across the 11 states surveyed, only 23% of respondents thought their country should take Washington's side against Russia, with 59% preferring to remain neutral.

Between 38% and 48% of respondents in seven countries thought the EU should adopt a tougher international stance on issues such as trade, taxation and regulation, while most countries considered Germany was now a more important country to "have a good relationship" with than the US.

The poll also revealed that in nine of the 11 countries Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden where the same question was asked in previous years, the average share of people saying the EU's political system worked very or fairly well had risen from 46% to 48%.

It found that people who believed their own national political system was working, which was more often the case in northern than in southern Europe, were more likely to say the EU was a success.

The report identified four "tribes" that went a long way to grouping respondents' positions, depending on whether they felt the EU, US or China were rising or declining. The biggest tribe, "In Europe we trust", comprised 35% of respondents, while only 9% belonged to "In America we trust".

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/majority-of-europeans-say-china-will-overtake-broken-us-within-decade/ar-BB1cSkOB[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2525676]Didn't think anything could get worse than the status quo for stateside mongers. But here it is.[/QUOTE]The cops have been pulling this shit for years so it is no surprise to me that it has been made into law. I will not monger in the USA anymore.

They claim to be stopping sex trafficking but really just want to shake down us mongers.

In the scheme that caught Robert Kraft, the cops faked a fucking bomb scare to put in hidden cameras in that spa. How fucked up is that?

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525886]A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.[/QUOTE]The Trump stain is going to be with us for a while.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2525585]Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Vol 1 ,pg 75.

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. Vol 2 pg 97,112,113.

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGsnn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGann refused. Trump then ordered McGann to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. Vol 2 pg 89,120.

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and private. Vol 2, pg 120-228,144-152.

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose, to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. Vol 2 pg 101-103.

In short, Mueller indicated that the report was an impeachment referral, leaving the matter to the House of Representatives.

"Congress May apply obstruction laws to the President's corrupt excercise of the powers of office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law " Vol 2, pg 8.[/QUOTE]Once again the house democrats bring false charges and want to impeach and once again Trump will be found not guilty and exonerated. Democrats are so afraid of Trump that they will stop all their duties and delay the stimulus to try to impeach even though they know that the senators will not vote for it. They are hurting everyone that voted for them, all the people suffering from this recession to put on a show. Trump will be exonerated again.

Democrats must be so proud.

The Special Counsel's report made it clear that DJT was not exonerated. Cut loose by a Senate controlled by Republicans, yes, so as not to lose a primary if they crossed him. It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough. USA is consuming itself from within. Europe trusts the USA, will go a separate way and be more neutral in the conflict with China.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2526109]The Special Counsel's report made it clear that DJT was not exonerated. Cut loose by a Senate controlled by Republicans, yes, so as not to lose a primary if they crossed him. It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough. USA is consuming itself from within. Europe trusts the USA, will go a separate way and be more neutral in the conflict with China.[/QUOTE]Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2525999]The Trump stain is going to be with us for a while.[/QUOTE]The "It is all Trump's fault" excuse will be used by the Democrats for as long as they can.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2526109] It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough.[/QUOTE]The 2016 election of the outsider Trump has shown the electorate has woken up to this reality. Even the dimmest bulbs who somehow imagined Joe Biden (of all people) could be their salvation should by the next election cycle be ready to break from the two-party duopoly. And Trump supporters will be likely to more closely scrutinize prospective candidates so as not be hoodwinked by another grifter.

Sleepy Joe Biden is POTUS. Fat Nixon is Commander in Thief of a shadow government, pulling the puppet strings in the two venerable houses.

While US officials claim that 'far-right extremism' is one of the largest threats facing America, the leader of the group most commonly singled out as an example. The Proud Boys. Was a 'prolific' informant for federal and local law enforcement, according to Reuters, citing a 2014 federal court proceeding.

Enrique Tarrio repeatedly worked undercover for investigators following a 2012 arrest, court documents reveal.

Curiously, Tarrio was ordered to stay away from Washington the. See. One day before the January 6 Capitol riot after he was arrested on vandalism and weapons charges. Upon a request by government prosecutors that he be prohibited from attending. At least five Proud Boys members were charged as part of the riot.

In a Tuesday interview with Reuters, Tarrio denied working undercover or cooperating in cases.

"I don't know any of this," he said, adding "I don't recall any of this."

Law-enforcement officials and the court transcript contradict Tarrio's denial. In a statement to Reuters, the former federal prosecutor in Tarrio's case, Vanessa Singh Johannes, confirmed that "he cooperated with local and federal law enforcement, to aid in the prosecution of those running other, separate criminal enterprises, ranging from running marijuana grow houses in Miami to operating pharmaceutical fraud schemes. ".

Tarrio, 36, is a high-profile figure who organizes and leads the right-wing Proud Boys in their confrontations with those they believe to be Antifa, short for "anti-fascism," an amorphous and often violent leftist movement. The Proud Boys were involved in the deadly insurrection at the Capitol January 6.

The records uncovered by Reuters are startling because they show that a leader of a far-right group now under intense scrutiny by law enforcement was previously an active collaborator with criminal investigators. -Reuters.

. Tarrio's involvement with law enforcement will no doubt fuel speculation over just how 'organic' the threat of 'far-right extremism' is, particularly when the vast majority of violence observed over 2020 was committed by far-left groups rioting in the name of racial justice."

Zerohedge dot com.

Commenter: "IOW, the leader of the Proud Boys was an agent provocateur reporting to FBI handlers. " Where was Lisa Page and Agent Strozk when the "capitol insurrection" went down? LOL.

"Duh, at least 50% of any group like this are federal agents or informants. They will create or even takeover the groups. Decentralization. " How many of the "rioters" in the Capitol were paid to be there?

"This story is incredibly easy for me to believe, especially a day after the story of the child turning in his father for the horrific atrocity of entering into what was an open public building before the ruling class set the 1,000 meter rule of no approach. What was the father's other crime again? Complaining (and protesting) about election fraud?

"I had a trial a few years ago in which most of the MS-13 leaders worked for FBI while in leadership position."

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proud-boys-leader-was-prolific-fbi-snitch-court-docs[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525881]So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you."

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food."

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIs[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525886]A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile, we're debating over transgender bathrooms, confederate statues, and catering to every emotional whim. DJT was terrible but it would be nice if we let America be America and worked on logistics and policy, pass some very basic human rights laws, while letting the various states and regions sort out their own cultural issues.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2526111]Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.[/QUOTE]Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.

Promised $4 billion to Central America that they will get before USA citizens get their next stimulus check.

Promised citizenship to 11,000,000 illegals including gang members and criminals so that they don't have to vote democratic illegally next election.

Killed the Keystone Pipeline costing thousands of union jobs and screwing Canada.

Killed our domestic oil industry so that we can be more reliant on foreign oil so we can get in a war over oil.

Still trying to tie immigration and state money to the stimulus. He doesn't want to help the citizens and small business. He wants to bail out democratic states that are broke because of their failed policies and get illegals sworn in. Covid Stimulus should not be tied to immigration and illegals but only for citizens.

Pushing the green energy thinking that but a miracle we can convert all our cars and buildings to electric by 2030 when we are only getting 5% from those sources now.

The thing about socialism is that all the government needs to do is tell you it works and everything will be better and you believe it. Well the smart 50% of the USA don't believe it. After 4 years the other 50% will just say that it didn't work but it wasn't Sleepy Joe fault it was Trump's fault.

Mark my words: Every failed policy by sleepy Joe will be Trump's fault! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2526111]Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.[/QUOTE]The world would be better off without the impeachment "trial". The US constitution mangles jurisprudential terms like "trial, verdict, guilty, acquitted" with the legislative domain. As if an impeachment trial was a jurisprudential trial and not a political process. Impeachment comes from empecher, which is a French verb, and which means "to accelerate", in this context to accelerate the ending of a presidential term, which means to remove a president from office sooner than the end of his term. Now the former president is already out. US political culture would be better off without this 2nd impeachment "trial" and 2nd "acquittal". Romney says, impeaching after end of term is constitutional. Maybe so.

It does not matter what "the majority" of Europeans think. Many Europeans do not grasp the roots of American power: Technology. Cooperation. Size. Natural resources. Soil. Climate. Foe-free geography. Currency union. Federal debt underwriting. Federal military bringing states to heel if need be. Grit. Russia is no big problem. In fact Russia is 90% Godsend and 10% nuisance. Cultured. Cooperative. Perennial battle with inhospitable nature. Organized. Big. Positive. Capricious. Exciting. Advanced. Funny. Covers Europe's back. Successful. If not as successful as the USA. Their cyberwarfarce has the very benign consequence that we harden our systems. When important things happen, Russia cooperates, like against Hitler and against the Taliban. Biden off to no-showboat Realpolitik with Russia. I rout for him. China is a much bigger issue because it is a very populous, cultured, organized, technology-capable, focussed, non-corrupt, aspiring hegemon. Most Europeans do not grasp the roots of Chinese weakness: Conformity. Fear. Opportunism. Government mandated atheism. Foes all around. Every Renminbi Chinas spends is offset by a renminbi of a local foe. Zero to negative soft power. That said: Trade is good. We encourage the doves in Beijing by vesting Beijings interest in peace with her neighbors. Go Taiwan!

[QUOTE=Canada;2526179]Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.

Promised $4 billion to Central America that they will get before USA citizens get their next stimulus check.

Promised citizenship to 11,000,000 illegals including gang members and criminals so that they don't have to vote democratic illegally next election.

Killed the Keystone Pipeline costing thousands of union jobs and screwing Canada.

Killed our domestic oil industry so that we can be more reliant on foreign oil so we can get in a war over oil.

Still trying to tie immigration and state money to the stimulus. He doesn't want to help the citizens and small business. He wants to bail out democratic states that are broke because of their failed policies and get illegals sworn in. Covid Stimulus should not be tied to immigration and illegals but only for citizens.

Pushing the green energy thinking that but a miracle we can convert all our cars and buildings to electric by 2030 when we are only getting 5% from those sources now.

The thing about socialism is that all the government needs to do is tell you it works and everything will be better and you believe it. Well the smart 50% of the USA don't believe it. After 4 years the other 50% will just say that it didn't work but it wasn't Sleepy Joe fault it was Trump's fault.

Mark my words: EVERY FAILED POLICY BY SLEEPY JOE WILL BE TRUMP'S FAULT! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.[/QUOTE]Rejoining the Paris accord is common sense and the end of political vandalism. The US is making great progress ecologically. Has nothing to do with who is president. But it is showboating and pandering to a base I am not endeared to, to quit the agreement, poor marketing of a great and successful national effort of the US of A. The USA should never have become the largest oil and gas exporter of the world. Keep the stuff on US soil. Don't exhaust the reservoir. Let the weak countries like Saudi, Iran and Russia expolit their natural wealth. Curtailing prospection and production is a manifest to the belief in the long term wealth of the last best hope of mankind, the US of A.

In 1950's USA Art Linkletter hosted a TV program "Kids say the darnest things" Fast forward to the the new millennium, Political Neanderthals say the dumbest things. Targeted foreign aid (a small % of GDP) to South America would go a long way to helping the economies there (2 hurricanes in Honduras with no help to the populace) and reverse the political problems cause by two centuries of interference. People in South and middle America with nothing left to lose are not coming north to participate in the fractured democracy, and what's left of it. BTW, this is how Wikipedia traces the origin of "impeach". "The French empechier, EMPcher, from Latin "impedicare" caught, entrapped, to prevent. Late 14th century empechen, to hinder, impede, prevent. The Middle English verb apechen, to "accuse, charge". With a few clicks anyone can find facts to suit a twisted logic. America was beautiful before the invaders came. Now it’s empty strip malls and online shoppers as digital tools of Bozos, Fuckerberg and Bamboozled. A seriously aggrieved white minority living in the past, while others are moving forward. “Progressive” and adverb. Circa 1600 “characterized by advancement, going forward,progress.

Cultured and non-corrupt. Say what? They may have millennia of "culture" but their culture is certainly not something most nations or people aspire to. As for non-corrupt. What have you been smoking and where can I get some? I agree with much of your assessment, but not in these cases.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525874]You didn't even the mention the lizard woman and the horse face with the crazy eyes.[/QUOTE]Want to try again?

Maybe next time in English, S, Swede?

Your language problems makes you very hard to understand. Are you trying to communicate about your favorite anime character (s)?

[QUOTE=Canada;2526179]Mark my words: EVERY FAILED POLICY BY SLEEPY JOE WILL BE TRUMP'S FAULT! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.[/QUOTE]Do you think this?

Because.

Every failed policy that trumpship would admit, were claimed to be Obama's fault!

Mostly agree with this, regarding China and Russia anyway. And also regarding that most Europeans not grasping the root of American power and thus our attitude. I don't even think many liberal Americans grasp it, at least they don't seem to want to come to terms with what made America become a powerhouse. But some of those roots of power are now pretty inconsequential. Geographic isolation, free of nearby foes, shouldn't be anywhere near as beneficial with the current state of warfare. Even if we were plopped in between Russia and China, I'm not sure that geography and locale would be the most important factor in strategic planning. The economic globalization trend of acquiring natural resources and the push towards renewable energy may also also make that less of a factor. Who knows what the financial-currency picture will look like. Will the dollar remain the reserve currency? Will fiat currency at all? Blockchain-Crypto? Too many wildcards to rest on our past laurels.

The assessment of the Russia threat seems pretty fair with the exception of taking much stock in their role in the World Wars. Not sure this is the same Russia and I think their actions were probably out of self interest. But anyway, rarely do you see people articulating the Russian threat this way or citing their positive characteristics. Kudos.

I think regarding China, it should be hammered home that China is a rival rather than an enemy. The Chinese are practical and I'm sure they understand that war, whether military or economic, does not benefit them. As such, does anyone think that they would push their relationship with the west toward more conflict? Terms like threat and enemy seem to be weapons of cultural engineering to get the masses riled up.

Domestic policies aside, it seems that their international policies reflect them just playing the game pretty well. Their infrastructure positions in Africa and South America are due to sound economic policy and masterfully executed. They pretty much own Nigeria and Sub-Saharan Africa at this point. Their financial and economic influence in Europe, the Pacific, and North America was respectfully built from the ground up, benefiting from economy of scale and unilateral agenda setting. Painting them as an enemy to be villainized rather than as a rival to outcompete seem to be a bitter grapes approach if you ask me.

As for Trump, should he be impeached? I thought so because the facts do show that while his words and actions would not convict him in a legal trial, his actions and words as President seem to put a great deal of fault on him. Again, impeaching doesn't necessary mean convicting for legal liability. Merely finding someone guilty of betraying public trust or just being drunk is enough to bar from high office. As far as constitutionality, well federal judges have been impeached and "convicted" in the past, post leaving office. We do have precedent for this. Now, with 45 GOP Senators already publicly opposing the trial, do I think it's worth it to continue? Not so much. But the ball is already rolling. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2526181]The world would be better off without the impeachment "trial". The US constitution mangles jurisprudential terms like "trial, verdict, guilty, acquitted" with the legislative domain. As if an impeachment trial was a jurisprudential trial and not a political process. Impeachment comes from empecher, which is a French verb, and

It does not matter what "the majority" of Europeans think. Many Europeans do not grasp the roots of American power: Technology. Cooperation. Size. Natural resources. Soil. Climate. Foe-free geography. Currency union. Federal debt underwriting. Federal military bringing states to heel if need be. Grit. Russia is no big problem.

In fact Russia is 90% Godsend and 10% nuisance. Cultured. Cooperative. Perennial battle with inhospitable nature. Organized. Big. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2526179]Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.[/QUOTE]Many countries like China because they provide real economic aid and infrastructure development. These days the US aid is pretty much military equipment to suppress restless populations. Those that are afraid of China are afraid because they can do little to influence Chinas economic power. Trump standing up to China was as effective as someone shouting at a brick wall. The ineffective tariff war was never going to succeed and cost the US more than it gained. It certainly did nothing to bring back manufacturing.

Are you not an immigrant to the US? I thing deporting you would a good first step. Biden is working to fix the root causes to prevent these caravans.

The illegals are there. Better to assess them and give a process to stay. Obama had no problem deporting bad actor illegals, I don't see Biden being different.

The only delay to people getting further stimulus cheques is the Republican members of the Senate who would rather cut off their dicks than give people in need money. The only people allowed to receive money from the Government are the super wealthy.

The Keystone pipeline was always doomed to be a failure. Stupid to have started it. The jobs are nothing to the economy a couple of thousand. The oil industry is a dying industry just like coal. The implementation of electric vehicles en mass will provide many more jobls in the roll out of renewable power and distribution networks.

Well you must be a socialist because you have been soaking up all the Trump lies and believed it! Still think the election was stolen?

Washington DC—Trump has been reinstated as president so Democrats in Congress can be sure the impeachment trial will be constitutional.

Trump will resume serving as president effective immediately so that Democrats can vote on the article of impeachment filed against him.

"We must make Trump president again so we can constitutionally impeach him again," said Chuck Schumer. "It's the only way to be sure. Normally, we don't care about the Constitution, of course, but when you're talking about impeaching Trump, we have to make sure we get it just right. ".

Democrats everywhere approved of the move, saying they have had nothing to live for since Trump left office last week.

"I had all these protest signs and nothing to protest," said Portland-area BLM activist Jacob Brier excitedly as he got on his gas mask. "We tried firebombing the local DNC headquarters, but it just wasn't the same. Sure, we could protest Biden starting a new war in Syria, but it's more fun to protest war under a Republican president, even though Trump didn't start any. Feels more righteous-why. "

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2526196]Cultured and non-corrupt. Say what? They may have millennia of "culture" but their culture is certainly not something most nations or people aspire to. As for non-corrupt. What have you been smoking and where can I get some? I agree with much of your assessment, but not in these cases.[/QUOTE]Some people clearly have never experienced Chinese in action, turning a place to sh*t wherever they turn up (see: Sihanoukville). The one thing that their one-Party government has got right: social credit score. Anything that keeps the worst, the crudest, rudest and foulest of these Chinese from ever setting foot outside their Peoples' Republic cannot be a bad thing.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2526201]Want to try again?

Maybe next time in English, S, Swede?

Your language problems makes you very hard to understand. Are you trying to communicate about your favorite anime character (s)?[/QUOTE]You must be the village idiot.

It seems to me that you're the one having "language problems". Maybe you can ask your mother to read the post for you.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2526489]Some people clearly have never experienced Chinese in action, turning a place to sh*t wherever they turn up (see: Sihanoukville). The one thing that their one-Party government has got right: social credit score. Anything that keeps the worst, the crudest, rudest and foulest of these Chinese from ever setting foot outside their Peoples' Republic cannot be a bad thing.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine who used to travel extensively all over SEA told me that the Russians and Indians are a blessing compared to the Chinese.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2526234]Many countries like China because they provide real economic aid and infrastructure development. These days the US aid is pretty much military equipment to suppress restless populations. Those that are afraid of China are afraid because they can do little to influence Chinas economic power. Trump standing up to China was as effective as someone shouting at a brick wall. The ineffective tariff war was never going to succeed and cost the US more than it gained. It certainly did nothing to bring back manufacturing.

Are you not an immigrant to the US? I thing deporting you would a good first step. Biden is working to fix the root causes to prevent these caravans.

The illegals are there. Better to assess them and give a process to stay. Obama had no problem deporting bad actor illegals, I don't see Biden being different.

The only delay to people getting further stimulus cheques is the Republican members of the Senate who would rather cut off their dicks than give people in need money. The only people allowed to receive money from the Government are the super wealthy.[/QUOTE]Obviously you don't live in USA or you only watch CNN.

USA has been collecting 10% -25% duty on $500 Billion annually China goods coming into USA with the Trump tarriffs which gave USA over $50 Billion which Trump used to create USA jobs and fund farmers and ranchers who were hurt with China retaliation. Consumers were not affected as China devaluyed their currency by 10% . More new manufacturing jobs came back to USA under Trump but not as many as were lost by the Obama fiasco. Tell me how this hurt the USA. You can't because it didn't.

Trump stopped the caravans and Biden during campaigning promised open borders for future illegal votes. Now Biden has to try to fix something he caused. Real smart!

You are right. The illegals are here. Some working hard taking jobs from usa citizens, some on our welfare system, some in gangs trafficking and selling drugs. What about all the immigrants that came legally and are paying taxes. Are they the stupid ones?? Should they be penalized for coming legally?

The only delay in the stimulus checks is Nancy pelosi and chuck Schumer. Republics and trump have approved numerous stimulus for all usa citizens and businesses. The reason this stimulus isn't getting opassed is because democrats have tied bull shit stuff to it. Covid stimulus shouldn't be fore illegals, for allowing more immigration for bailing out the democratic cities with all their failed policies. It should be for the citizens and businesss's that were hurt by covid. Not democratic wish lists.

The keystone pipeline means cheaper energy and safer transportation of oil. This only affects the poorer people who have trouble paying their bills. That oil now is coming by train and truck. Much costlier for Americans.

The implementation of green jobs will never materialize. Most of the solar panels are made in china. Oil is not going away. Solar and wind may someday get to 30% of our energy but will be too expensive for the majority of our citizens. Oil will just increase in price in USA. Are you really stupid enough to believe wind and solar can handle even 50% of our energy. Now wind and solar is about 5% of total energy. Do you realize how much your electric bill has gone up in the last 10 years just to get to 5% solar and wind. Well expect another 100% to 200% over the next 10 years.

Elections can't be stolen. I believe this election was as fair as all the other communist / socialistic countries like China, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2526206]Do you think this?

Because.

Every failed policy that trumpship would admit, were claimed to be Obama's fault![/QUOTE]Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526217]Mostly agree with this, regarding China and Russia anyway. And also regarding that most Europeans not grasping the root of American power and thus our attitude. I don't even think many liberal Americans grasp it, at least they don't seem to want to come to terms with what made America become a powerhouse. But some of those roots of power are now pretty inconsequential. Geographic isolation, free of nearby foes, shouldn't be anywhere near as beneficial with the current state of warfare. Even if we were plopped in between Russia and China, I'm not sure that geography and locale would be the most important factor in strategic planning. The economic globalization trend of acquiring natural resources and the push towards renewable energy may also also make that less of a factor. Who knows what the financial-currency picture will look like. Will the dollar remain the reserve currency? Will fiat currency at all? Blockchain-Crypto? Too many wildcards to rest on our past laurels.

The assessment of the Russia threat seems pretty fair with the exception of taking much stock in their role in the World Wars. Not sure this is the same Russia and I think their actions were probably out of self interest. But anyway, rarely do you see people articulating the Russian threat this way or citing their positive characteristics. Kudos.

I think regarding China, it should be hammered home that China is a rival rather than an enemy. The Chinese are practical and I'm sure they understand that war, whether military or economic, does not benefit them. As such, does anyone think that they would push their relationship with the west toward more conflict? Terms like threat and enemy seem to be weapons of cultural engineering to get the masses riled up..[/QUOTE]Obviously you are looking at a different China that I know. The China I know is the one that stole American and European technology and copied it. Everything from appliances, clothes textiles, steel making. They copy and make a lower quality product with cheap and child labor. The keep their people in a communist setting. You are saying that China competes fairly? That other countries admire this?

[QUOTE=Canada;2526667]The Keystone pipeline means cheaper energy and safer transportation of oil. This only affects the poorer people who have trouble paying their bills. That oil now is coming by train and truck. Much costlier for Americans.

The implementation of green jobs will never materialize. Most of the solar panels are made in China. Oil is not going away. Solar and wind may someday get to 30% of our energy but will be too expensive for the majority of our citizens. Oil will just increase in price in USA. Are you really stupid enough to believe wind and solar can handle even 50% of our energy. Now wind and solar is about 5% of total energy..[/QUOTE]I didn't realize that oil transport was such a safety concern. Or that we were so dependent on refining oil from Canada.

Green jobs eh? Would be a shame if a company known to be an industry disruptor with a tweet friendly, maverick CEO develops more innovative and disruptive ways to harvest and store energy to cars, homes, rockets to Mars.

[QUOTE=Canada;2526673]Obviously you are looking at a different China that I know. The China I know is the one that stole American and European technology and copied it. Everything from appliances, clothes textiles, steel making. They copy and make a lower quality product with cheap and child labor. The keep their people in a communist setting. You are saying that China competes fairly? That other countries admire this?[/QUOTE]Well, I'm guessing that income from stolen intellectual property is not and has not been their major source of income since the 70's. China isn't exactly known to export high-end, innovative technological goods. Exploiting western demands for outsourcing cheap manufacturing labor seems to be a big profit getter. Financial services by government-owned financial institutions might have been significant. Extending loans and financing other third world nations seems quite lucrative for them. Natural resource export seems to also be rather profitable for a one-regime government. Chinese banks and petroleum companies are some of the richest companies in the world. You don't have to like your rivals, but devaluing their strengths seems like a strategic miscalculation.

[QUOTE=Canada;2526667]Obviously you don't live in USA or you only watch CNN.

USA has been collecting 10% -25% duty on $500 Billion annually China goods coming into USA with the Trump tarriffs which gave USA over $50 Billion which Trump used to create USA jobs and fund farmers and ranchers who were hurt with China retalliation. Consumers were not affected as China devaluyed their currency by 10% . More new manufacturing jobs came back to USA under Trump but not as many as were lost by the Obama fiasco. Tell me how this hurt the USA. YOU CAN"T BECAUSE IT DIDN"T.

Trump stopped the caravans and Biden during campaining promised open borders for future illegal votes. Now Biden has to try to fix something he caused. REAL SMART!

You are right. The illegals are here. Some working hard taking jobs from USA citizens, some on our welfare system, some in gangs trafficking and selling drugs. What about all the immigrants that came legally and are paying taxes. Are they the stupid ones?? Should they be penalized for coming legally?.[/QUOTE]No I don't. I visited the US and 35 other countries including China. It is obvious that China is on a path to surpass the US. Trump could not dent that because he was too busy burning allies that would help.

As for your manufacturing growth it was pretty close to zero for the US in 2019 prior to Covid. [URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-production.[/URL].

So the tariffs went to buy farm votes, that really helped average Joe!

Stole technology? Trade with China helped Europe gain many useful technologies, The US aerospace benefitted from German scientists, Japan and Korean manufacturing provided much of the new technology for manufacturing.

England is now coal free in power generation. In 10 years it will be gas free as well. Solar and wind are cheaper. The gains are being made subsidy free. Texas has the highest portion of wind power in the US, are actively shutting down coal plants and expanding solar with the cheapest rates.

How is it that all these great insights you have are demonstrably incorrect.

Relax Trolls. The foam spewing from your mouth will short circuit your chinese made computer. The King has not fallen. Since USA is no longer a corporation, he'll take over in March with Q as Veep, according to plan. Anybody heard of the US diplomat George Kennan, the author of the "Long Telegram" -laying out the basis for decades of US policy towards the Soviet Union? He published his work under a pseudonym "X" Another retired diplomat with vast experience has posted a similar message, focusing on the need to blunt the effect of Xi Jin Ping as an authoritarian cult figure and persuade China to return to the pre 2013 path of status quo. China has learned a lesson (what went wrong) from the fall of the Soviet Union. Keenan's idea of "containment" worked against the Soviet Union because Kennan had identified the strategic flaws in their system. Trump was correct to sound the alarm on China, however his efforts at implementation were chaotic and contradictory. At root, the issue is that "strategic competition"is a declaration of doctrinal attitude, not a comprehensive strategy that has been put into practice. The uncomfortable truth is that China has long had an integrated internal strategy for handling the United States, and so far it's strategy has largely worked. A strategy that focuses more narrowly on Xi, rather than the CCP as a whole presents a more achievable objective. So, unless anyone here does not have the expertise of a George Keenan, please pipe down. Of course, I'm not either, I'm just copying an article I think defines the problem and a viable solution.

[QUOTE=Canada;2526671]Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.[/QUOTE]Initial COVID testing and the emergency reserve of medical supplies.

Trump kept whining (in 2020) about Obama leaving the cupboards bare (more than 3 fucking years after Obama refused to mount an insurrection).

At the time, real news correspondents mocked Trumps assertion that Obama left him with a shortage of tests despite the coronavirus not even existing when Barack Obama was President.

[QUOTE=Canada;2526671]Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.[/QUOTE]You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525881]So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you. "

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food. "

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIs[/URL][/QUOTE]Inevitable ending when dealing with a narcissist, such like "Agent Orange".

"The border fencing around the Capitol is becoming permanent, and former president Trump has taken advantage of the opportunity by taking a photo op of himself crying at the border wall.

Trump took the heartfelt photos as he wept uncontrollably near the fence separating Americans from their representatives.

"Look at this horrible, racist wall! Sad! Not good!" Trump said as he wept near the fence. "No more congressmen in cages! Racism! Systemic oppression! The worst, maybe ever!

Trump then took a deep breath and began screaming at the sky: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Pictures from another angle quickly surfaced, however, and it was revealed that Trump was actually taking the picture in front of a green screen at his Mar-a-Lago resort. . . "

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

As I've said before, Biden is the worst, most radical left-wing president USA has ever seen. Horrific.

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1351611017147666435[/URL]

Biden would be considered too extreme to win an election in Europe.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2526727]You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.[/QUOTE]Also, the "strong economy" that was built on credit. [URL]http://www.crfb.org/blogs/deficit-has-never-been-high-when-economy-was-strong[/URL].

Paulie, the truth is out. It's hilarious how some libtards fell for the lies.

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/28/politics/andrew-cuomo-covid-19-new-york/index.html?__twitter_impression=true[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2526727]You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.[/QUOTE]You can't fix stupid.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2526707]Initial COVID testing and the emergency reserve of medical supplies.

Trump kept whining (in 2020) about Obama leaving the cupboards bare (more than 3 fucking years after Obama refused to mount an insurrection).

At the time, real news correspondents mocked Trumps assertion that Obama left him with a shortage of tests despite the coronavirus not even existing when Barack Obama was President.[/QUOTE]You are kidding right? You can't fix stupid.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2526698]No I don't. I visited the US and 35 other countries including China. It is obvious that China is on a path to surpass the US. Trump could not dent that because he was too busy burning allies that would help.

As for your manufacturing growth it was pretty close to zero for the US in 2019 prior to Covid. [URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-production.[/URL].

So the tariffs went to buy farm votes, that really helped average Joe!

Stole technology? Trade with China helped Europe gain many useful technologies, The US aerospace benefitted from German scientists, Japan and Korean manufacturing provided much of the new technology for manufacturing.

England is now coal free in power generation. In 10 years it will be gas free as well. Solar and wind are cheaper. The gains are being made subsidy free. Texas has the highest portion of wind power in the US, are actively shutting down coal plants and expanding solar with the cheapest rates.

How is it that all these great insights you have are demonstrably incorrect.[/QUOTE]You are kidding Right? How much has electric bill decreased since we introduced this cheap wind and solar energy over the past 10 years. Every country electric bills increased dramaticaly with green power. Liberals tell you how cheap this new electricity will be while their bills skyrocket.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526684]I didn't realize that oil transport was such a safety concern. Or that we were so dependent on refining oil from Canada.

Green jobs eh? Would be a shame if a company known to be an industry disruptor with a tweet friendly, maverick CEO develops more innovative and disruptive ways to harvest and store energy to cars, homes, rockets to Mars.[/QUOTE]Yes some refineries in USA are reliant on heavy oil. If it doesn't come from Canada it will probably have to come from Venezuela or another foreign country. It is a safety concern because it will have to be shipped on rail and by truck. It is more likely to be spilled by trucks or rail than by pipeline. Also all the states the pipeline is in gets revenues from every barrel of oil transported through the pipeline so it hurts several states revenues for infrastructure and schools. Where are all the jobs now for this new green energy? Also every state is going to have to add thousands of new wind turbines that are so beautiful to look at. California will need to add over 100,000 windmills to meet the demand. They are going to look great on the beaches. Also with windmills we will lose all our birds in the USA as currently they kill thousands every week. Wait until we increase that by 20 times.

[QUOTE=Canada;2527142]You are kidding right? You can't fix stupid.[/QUOTE]That's why TrunpShip was mocked so much by educated journalists.

In Bidens first 10 days signed 28 executive orders when previous presidents did 3-7. Trump did 7 and CNN went ballistic with his abuse of power. Biden effectively in 10 days killed hundreds of thousands of jobs in the oil industry, pipelines and manufacturing. Biden response yesterday was: These hundreds of thousands of people will have better jobs in the future so just suffer and starve to death until the future. Biden does not realize we are living today and not in the future. Today he is bragging that he rejoined the Paris Peace Accord which strengthens China. In the Paris accord USA has to cut their emissions by about 3% per year which they pretty much have been doing in the past 5 years. Total world emissions for USA is currently about 13%. China currently is at 26%. USA has to cut by 3% per year. China and India do not have to cut. In fact they can increase as much as they want until 2030. So if USA cuts their emissions by 50% by 2030 (Biden wants 70%) USA will produce 7% of the world emissions. China will increase to about 40% and India will increase another 10%. So by 2030 the world emissions will be about 120% of what they are today. USA will have hurt the energy business, steel business, car manufactures and almost 50% of the industries to accomplish nothing. Since India and China do not have to start cutting until 2030 they may actually double or triple their emissions by 2030 so they can start cutting by 3% in 2031.

I agree their is a place for green energy in the future by why do we want to ruin the lives of millions of USA citizens.

[URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html[/URL]

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK. Kkkkkkkkkk!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525886]A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.

"Europeans like Biden, but they don't think America will come back as a global leader," said the thinktank's director, Mark Leonard. "When George W Bush was president, they were divided about how America should use its power. With Biden entering the White House, they are divided about whether America has power at all."

The survey of 15,000 people in 11 European countries, conducted at the end of last year, found that the shift in European sentiment towards the US in the wake of the Trump presidency had led to a corresponding unwillingness to support Washington in potential international disputes.

At least half of respondents in all 11 countries surveyed felt, for example, that their government should remain neutral in any conflict between the US and China, while no more than 40% in any country said they would back Washington against Russia.

"It's clear that the tumultuous Trump presidency has left an indelible imprint on Europe's attitude towards the US," said Ivan Krastev, chair of the Centre for Liberal Strategies, an NGO in Sofia, and an ECFR board member. "The majority of Europeans are now sceptical about the capacity of the US to shape the world. It makes many, rightly or wrongly, want to opt for a more independent role for the EU in the world."

In their report, Leonard and Krastev note that while more than 60% of those polled believed the US was "broken", most evaluated the EU and their own countries' systems much more positively an opportunity, they argue, to harness the collective power of the bloc for the benefit and protection of its citizens.

The survey found that 51% of those polled did not agree with the statement that under Biden the US was likely to resolve its internal divisions and seek to address international issues such as climate change, peace in the Middle East, relations with China or European security.

Amid a widespread sense of growing Chinese superiority, 79% of those polled in Spain, 72% in Portugal, 72% in Italy and 63% in France said they thought China would overtake the US as the world's leading superpower within the next decade.

Just over 32% of all respondents and a startling 53% of respondents in Germany felt that after voting for Trump, Americans could not be trusted. Only in Hungary and Poland did significantly more people disagree with that view than agree.

Just 10% of those polled saw the US as a "reliable" security partner that would always protect Europe, while at least 60% in every country polled said they doubted their country could depend on US support in the event of a crisis.

The authors say the geopolitical consequences of this shift are significant: two-thirds of those surveyed said it was now important that Europe look after its own defence, including 72% in Portugal, 71% in Sweden, 70% in France and 69% in Poland.

At least half of respondents in every country surveyed said they would prefer their government to be neutral in a conflict between the US and China. Across the 11 states surveyed, only 23% of respondents thought their country should take Washington's side against Russia, with 59% preferring to remain neutral.

Between 38% and 48% of respondents in seven countries thought the EU should adopt a tougher international stance on issues such as trade, taxation and regulation, while most countries considered Germany was now a more important country to "have a good relationship" with than the US.

The poll also revealed that in nine of the 11 countries Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden where the same question was asked in previous years, the average share of people saying the EU's political system worked very or fairly well had risen from 46% to 48%.

It found that people who believed their own national political system was working, which was more often the case in northern than in southern Europe, were more likely to say the EU was a success.

The report identified four "tribes" that went a long way to grouping respondents' positions, depending on whether they felt the EU, US or China were rising or declining. The biggest tribe, "In Europe we trust", comprised 35% of respondents, while only 9% belonged to "In America we trust".

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/majority-of-europeans-say-china-will-overtake-broken-us-within-decade/ar-BB1cSkOB[/URL][/QUOTE]China, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers!

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527207][URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html[/URL]

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK. Kkkkkkkkkk![/QUOTE]It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.

Trump was breaking up the China trade where US jobs and factories were shipped overseas and the owners profited by using Chinese slave labor by firing their US workforce. Apple and Nike come to mind. Trump was jacking up the import taxes on Chinese goods, screwing up this profitable trade at the expense of American workers so he had to go. As Abraham Lincoln was also a strong advocate of import taxes to encourage US manufacturing jobs, he was also an advocate of US manufacturing goods in US factories using US workers, so this has a strong precedent in US history. But this benefits US workers and not the factory owners. China wanted him gone and so did the Establishment. Follow the money. Trump wasn't good, but he was better than Hillary or Jao Xiden. At least he wasn't a professional political parasite who lived off a government paycheck for most of his life. Looks like a bunch of Robinhood rebels are hitting the Big Guys on Wall Street this week. If they can't get a good paying job due to the China Covid shutdown and China taking US jobs, they can form wolf packs and hunt Hedgies on Gamestop. LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527210]China, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2527236]It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office ...[/QUOTE]Perhaps you should have listened.

[QUOTE=Canada;2527236]Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022.[/QUOTE]All the Biden supporters must be enthralled by his choice for Assistant Secretary of Health. Maybe some here may even want to date 'her'. [URL]https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/biden-nominates-dr-rachel-levine-assistant-secretary-health[/URL].

Bolsonaro is President until 2022!

Just sayin. Haha.

[QUOTE=Canada;2527236]It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2527236]It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.[/QUOTE]The same can easily be said about "Foxy" News. Do you think they will report Biden the same way they reported "Agent Orange"?

But I'll give you this much, "Foxy" News, did inevitably come to their senses, w/r to the election results. FINALLY!

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527210]China, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers![/QUOTE]Learn how modern fiat currencies work. A coin could be minted to pay off that "debt" at any time. The "debt" is simply the amount of currency in circulation that hasn't been taxed back. Taxes are really not necessary to pay for what most of the federal government spends. As long as there is productive capacity, natural resources and labor, there is no worry of hyperinflation. So no, China does not have the United States by the balls, not by any stretch of the imagination. And tariffs are simply passed on to the United States consumer. Whether we like it or not China is here to stay. We live in a multi-polar world now. And I would say that having one superpower has not been good for the planet. I am no fan of the CCP (China was actually much more open and less oppressive before the Xi regime), but 80% of the people who have been raised out of poverty in the last 30 years are Chinese. I do think for the United States and the world cooperative efforts will yield better results than antagonism.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527284]Learn how modern fiat currencies work. A coin could be minted to pay off that "debt" at any time. The "debt" is simply the amount of currency in circulation that hasn't been taxed back. Taxes are really not necessary to pay for what most of the federal government spends. As long as there is productive capacity, natural resources and labor, there is no worry of hyperinflation.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527284]So no, China does not have the United States by the balls, not by any stretch of the imagination.[/QUOTE] Okay, perhaps not just yet. Or it that they are just squeezing tighter?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527284]And tariffs are simply passed on to the United States consumer. Whether we like it or not China is here to stay. We live in a multi-polar world now. And I would say that having one superpower has not been good for the planet. I am no fan of the CCP (China was actually much more open and less oppressive before the Xi regime), but 80% of the people who have been raised out of poverty in the last 30 years are Chinese. I do think for the United States and the world cooperative efforts will yield better results than antagonism.[/QUOTE]This we can agree upon.

US Treasures are generally considered one of the safest bonds around in global investment markets. That is of course, while the world see still sees the US, as a stable country to invest in (for now).

Unstable US administrations, regimes and insurrections, like the one we just had, will only serve bolster countries like Russia and China to undermine our stability to repay our debt and the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527317]Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.[/QUOTE]My point is there is really no debt. The "debt" so to speak is simply the amount of dollars in circulation that have not been taxed back. And if the so-called debt is denominated in your currency and you are the sole currency issuer then there is no reason that you cannot pay off that so-called debt at any point. And again there is no worry of hyperinflation as long as there is productive capacity. The US is nowhere near its productive capacity. Our problems in the United States are not a result of monetary policy, they are a result of fiscal policy. And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527256]Perhaps you should have listened.[/QUOTE]Even Democrats are acknowledging the fact that Biden's policies are bad for regular Americans.

Biden's a left wing extremist.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527437]And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.[/QUOTE]We are a country that values freedoms. That includes the first amendment and the right to make campaign contributions which relate to our interests. Calling it "corrupt" doesn't make it "corrupt. " You were right the first time though when you called it legal. There are though some disclosure requirements and limitations, and you are free to withhold support from candidates that accept $ from certain entities.

I mean in the past you've been in here supporting full on socialism in the way of worker cooperatives. The Crazy Bernies have had their chance at national politics. Better luck next time.

The Biden administration plans to review the phase one USA -China trade deal, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday. Based on publicly available data, it's hard to imagine they'll find anything other than a debacle.

Driving the news: China isn't even close to fulfilling its end of the deal — having come up 42% short of its commitment, Chad Bown, a fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, reported late last week.

The phase one deal was meant to be the Trump administration's reward for USA Farmers, manufacturers and other business owners who had been bludgeoned by Trump's tax on American businesses via the trade war's tariffs.

What was supposed to happen: The trade war was billed as a plan to bring China to its knees by choking off the all-important American market with 25% tariffs on many imports that would rein in the USA Trade deficit, boost American exports and slow China's rise as a global superpower.

What really happened: "The trade war with China hurt the US economy and failed to achieve major policy goals," a recent study commissioned by the USA -China Business Council argues, finding that the trade war reduced economic growth and cost the USA 245,000 jobs.

Last year, the USA Trade deficit widened to its largest on record. In the fourth quarter, the USA Goods trade deficit hit its highest share of GDP since 2012 and the USA Current account deficit jumped to its highest level in more than 12 years in the third quarter.

Foreign direct investment to the USA Fell 49% in 2020 — outpacing the overall global decrease of 42%.

These trends had all been moving in this direction since 2017, and were accelerated by the coronavirus pandemic as Trump refused to remove tariffs despite their strain on businesses.

The big picture: "The tariffs forced American companies to accept lower profit margins, cut wages and jobs for USA Workers, defer potential wage hikes or expansions, and raise prices for American consumers or companies," analysts at Brookings noted in August.

The other side: China's trade surplus last year hit a record $535 billion, up 27% from 2019. Exports rose 21.1% in dollar terms in November year over year and 18.1% in December from a year earlier, touching an all-time high.

For the full year, the trade surplus with the USA Was $317 billion, 7% higher than in 2019.

Foreign direct investment to China rose 4% to $163 billion.

Reproduced from Peterson Institute for International Economics; Chart: Axios Visuals.

Most economists agree that trade deficits don't actually hurt an economy. And while the USA Trade deficit with China did decrease somewhat during Trump's time in office, the deficit increased with other countries and overall.

Meanwhile, China's trade surplus and its trade with other countries increased.

The bottom line: In addition to hurting USA Businesses and workers, tariffs also drive up prices, and inflation expectations are starting to rise.

The USA Current account deficit also is helping further weigh down the value of the dollar, economists say, another factor that could boost inflation.

"Washington D. C. —For a long while now, the climate has been undergoing a change to become more like the climate it feels it should be. While many have embraced this, a number of intolerant people just won't accept this change. This includes 78-year-old President Joe Biden, who, in another example of executive overreach, signed numerous executive orders to try to stop the climate from evolving.

"I remember how the climate was back when I was a kid and going to the movies only cost a nickel," Biden rambled to the press, "and that's the way it always should be!

This is a stark change from the Trump administration, which always accepted the climate and didn't force it to be something it didn't want to be. President Trump even helped the climate undergo carbon dioxide treatment to assist in its change.

The new Biden executive orders effectively deny the climate's existence, saying they will only accept the climate as valid if it's cooler. Experts are unsure what psychological effects this will have on the climate, but many expect it to lash out with hurricanes and such. . ."

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527317]Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend..[/QUOTE]Simply put: A debt that cannot be repaid, won't be repaid. (Economics 101).

Simply put, most indebted countries (or businesses for that matter) either default or have their debts restructured, or have their infrastructure and assets sold off and 'privatized'.

The fiat money issuer can theoretically 'mint' a trillion-dollar coin and stick it in the Federal Reserve's Treasury account. The concept has been out there for a while now.

Quoting Abraham Lincoln is in vogue these days. Hey, he had a war to attend that was draining the coffers, so he instituted a 3% income tax on everything over $800 per year. And he taxed imports to prove that tariffs work against those trying to rape the good old USA. Ronnie "Star Wars" Ray Gun had a few zingers: "trees cause pollution, ketchup is a vegetable" tomato 🍅 Said he dint trade rockets for hostages in Lebanon, though the facts dispute his feeling. George HW Bush pardoned all the culprits in this scandal to protect himself. USA has a checkered history in central and South America and around the world.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2527547]Quoting Abraham Lincoln is in vogue these days. Hey, he had a war to attend that was draining the coffers, so he instituted a 3% income tax on everything over $800 per year. And he taxed imports to prove that tariffs work against those trying to rape the good old USA. Ronnie "Star Wars" Ray Gun had a few zingers: "trees cause pollution, ketchup is a vegetable" tomato 🍅 Said he dint trade rockets for hostages in Lebanon, though the facts dispute his feeling. George HW Bush pardoned all the culprits in this scandal to protect himself. USA has a checkered history in central and South America and around the world.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Iran Contra and all that white shit they dealt and all the Nicaraguans who were killed and all the crack heads who they helped create.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527437]And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.[/QUOTE]If what you're saying is, "....we need to take money out of politics", then I agree. Especially 'big donor money'.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2527500]Simply put: A debt that cannot be repaid, won't be repaid. (Economics 101).

Simply put, most indebted countries (or businesses for that matter) either default or have their debts restructured, or have their infrastructure and assets sold off and 'privatized'.[/QUOTE]Sure if you've defaulted on your debts. The US has never defaulted on its debts.

I was referring to actually paying off your debts.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527317]Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.[/QUOTE]The US debt will never be repaid. Be under no illusions. But no need to lose sleep over it.

Look it up on the internet. From "the creature from Jekyll Island 🌴: "The method by which the Federal Reserve creates momey out of nothing: the concept of usury as the payment of interest on pretend loans; the true cost of the hidden tax called inflation; the way in which the Fed. (Creature) creates boom-bust 💥 🕳 cycles" A tv program hosted by Glenn Beck discussing this may have led to the cancellation of said TV program.

The US defaulted when it went off the gold standard.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2527561]Sure if you've defaulted on your debts. The US has never defaulted on its debts.

I was referring to actually paying off your debts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527473]We are a country that values freedoms. That includes the first amendment and the right to make campaign contributions which relate to our interests. Calling it "corrupt" doesn't make it "corrupt. " You were right the first time though when you called it legal. There are though some disclosure requirements and limitations, and you are free to withhold support from candidates that accept $ from certain entities.

I mean in the past you've been in here supporting full on socialism in the way of worker cooperatives. The Crazy Bernies have had their chance at national politics. Better luck next time.[/QUOTE]The longer I live away from America, which has been two decades plus now, the more I find the American definition of freedom comical and sad. Freedom? Well, I when you don't have to worry about healthcare costs, education for your children, a nice pension, a living wage, and enough time off to enjoy it, and to pursue some of the things that you enjoy, and have a good social safety net under you in case you lose your job, then you're free. As long as you're stressed and worrying where the next paycheck comes from and have to, "work for a living," then you're really not free.

And yes I do believe that the balance of power between labor and capital must be maintained and the only way to maintain it is through proper regulation and legislation.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2527606]The US defaulted when it went off the gold standard.[/QUOTE]One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.

[QUOTE=Canada;2527143]You are kidding Right? How much has electric bill decreased since we introduced this cheap wind and solar energy over the past 10 years. Every country electric bills increased dramaticaly with green power. Liberals tell you how cheap this new electricity will be while their bills skyrocket.[/QUOTE]Once again Canada you just spew unsubstantiated drivel with no basis in fact.

Here are some examples: [URL]https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/sa-wholesale-electricity/?utm_campaign=sq_news_weekly&utm_content=210202%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse[/URL].

South Australia gets 60% of its power from renewables. It now has the lowest wholesale prices in Australia. Around 2.8 USc kWhr. Its dropped from being the most expensive in Australia when the supply was predominately gas fired to the lowest.

[URL]https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/10/10/dubais-900-mw-solar-tender-sees-lowest-bid-of-0-0169-kwh/[/URL]

UAE solar park tendering power at 1.7 USc per kWhr.

There are many examples but you don't want to acknowledge the truth you just want to be a rah rah boy for the idiot party of science deniers.

Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. On gold and silver backed dollars, the USA became a major manufacturer. Once Nixon went off the gold backed dollar, the USA no longer needed to export to gain gold and silver from other countries. Thus the USA did not protest when China bought up large numbers of US factories and shipped them to China. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of China. We ship them soybeans, corn and meat and cardboard / wood and they ship us manufactured goods. Sort of like the American colonies and Great Britain before the revolutionary war. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527662]One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2527685]Once again Canada you just spew unsubstantiated drivel with no basis in fact.

Here are some examples: [URL]https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/sa-wholesale-electricity/?utm_campaign=sq_news_weekly&utm_content=210202%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse[/URL].

South Australia gets 60% of its power from renewables. It now has the lowest wholesale prices in Australia. Around 2.8 USc kWhr. Its dropped from being the most expensive in Australia when the supply was predominately gas fired to the lowest.

[URL]https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/10/10/dubais-900-mw-solar-tender-sees-lowest-bid-of-0-0169-kwh/[/URL]

UAE solar park tendering power at 1.7 USc per kWhr.

There are many examples but you don't want to acknowledge the truth you just want to be a rah rah boy for the idiot party of science deniers.[/QUOTE]I read your articles and The writer of your article said this.

Wholesale electricity spot price in 2021 cents per kilowatt hour.

To make myself look useful and hide the fact I sneakily pay a guy in the Philippines $2 an hour to write these articles, I've accounted for inflation by converting the average wholesale spot prices for each financial year into today's money. This is so people can see the real trends in electricity prices and not have inflation mislead them into thinking things are worse than they are.

The USA Energy Information Administration (EIA) says this.

2019 US wholesale solar prices more than double wind, gas as renewables use reaches record levels: EIA.

Dive Brief:

According to the USA Energy Information Administration (EIA), last year the average USA Wholesale price for solar electricity was $83/ MWh more than double the price paid to producers of electricity generated by wind, fossil fuels, or nuclear.

The United States' use of renewable energy grew for the fourth consecutive year, to account for 11% of total energy consumption in 2019, according to the agency.

California's high prices largely skewed the national average roughly a third of USA Solar capacity is located in California, where the average wholesale price of electricity is more than double the the national average of $36/ MWh.

I think the EIS is more reliable than a guy in the Philippines that was paid $2.

This site is a little more accurate. [URL]utilitydive.com[/URL]/ news /2019-us-wholesale-solar-prices-more-than-double-wind-gas-nuclear-eia /587364/.

I guess you are the only one in USA that is getting this cheap power while the rest of us just keep getting power bill increases.

[QUOTE=Travv;2527691]Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of Chinaa. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter to the Zuckerburgs and Kushners of the world. Their little piglets are being taught Chinese. They have no loyalty to the United States of America.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2525886]A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.[/QUOTE]Maybe because hundreds of elected republicans are still willing to foolishly obey that empty, orange suit full of shit.

[QUOTE=Travv;2527691]Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. On gold and silver backed dollars, the USA became a major manufacturer. Once Nixon went off the gold backed dollar, the USA no longer needed to export to gain gold and silver from other countries. Thus the USA did not protest when China bought up large numbers of US factories and shipped them to China. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of China. We ship them soybeans, corn and meat and cardboard / wood and they ship us manufactured goods. Sort of like the American colonies and Great Britain before the revolutionary war. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .[/QUOTE]Huh? Capitalism by its nature chases cheap labor. As Nations develop economically cheap labor is no longer available. I would argue this has nothing to do with using a fiat currency but it is simply the nature of corporate capitalism and one of its extreme shortcomings. Many European nations have been able to maintain if not improve quality of life for their citizens even though they do not have the manufacturing base that they used to. Unfortunately the United States is going in the opposite direction.

[QUOTE=Canada;2527793]California's high prices largely skewed the national average roughly a third of USA Solar capacity is located in California, where the average wholesale price of electricity is more than double the the national average of $36/ MWh.[/QUOTE]Here are a list of solar projects contracted out at less than $25 unsubsidized. You are deluding yourself if you think solar and wind are not going to keep putting coal out of business. Gas will be around for a while as a on / off supplier.

[URL]https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/8-countries-besides-the-us-with-solar-under-25-per-megawatt-hour[/URL]

Then again pretty much everything you write shows how much you delude yourself.

USA —Democrat leaders around the country are declaring it is now safe to reopen since the federal government's tests have come back negative for Trump.

"The key indicator we were looking for before we could begin the reopening process was that Trump wasn't president," said Governor Gavin Newsom. "While we are at the worst point yet in this pandemic, it now makes sense to open-- even though the science said the exact opposite last year when it was comparably mild. Because now, all the tests are indicating we have tested negative for Trump."

Governor Cuomo agreed, saying that all his key science experts -- the ones who haven't quit yet in disgust -- are advising him to go ahead and reopen since the tests are coming back negative for Trump. "When the tests were positive some weeks ago, we were pretty concerned," Cuomo told a reporter down by the docks as he threw a dead senior into the harbor. "Now, the tests are all looking really good for Democrats, so we're going to go ahead and get started."

Governor Whitmer last year cast a spell on Michigan so it would be always winter and never Christmas, but she says she is canceling the spell now and encouraging Michiganders to celebrate "the true Christmas: Biden getting elected."

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2527857]Maybe because hundreds of elected republicans are still willing to foolishly obey that empty, orange suit full of shit.[/QUOTE]Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528170]Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.[/QUOTE]A perfect description of Evangelicals.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528170]Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.[/QUOTE]Excellent analysis.

I'm not sure that 50% of Republicans are racist or xenophobic or homophobic or misogynistic or? But certainly a large percentage of them are. My fond hope is that all of these idiots will leave the GOP and form their own party.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528170] ... Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.[/QUOTE]Preach, preach on!

In his latest round of in sanity, it's more of the same crap of insane mental conspiracy, as he fires recent lawyers (or they quit because he wasn't going to pay them), still claiming he won the election. Next Up!

[URL]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/30/2012991/-Trump-Top-Impeachment-Lawyer-Fires-the-Client-Trump-Runs-Out-of-Willing-Lawyers-Poll-Who-Next[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/smartmatic-sues-fox-news-giuliani-2a8d83df2e6d73b750dd85f92f4fd7ef[/URL]

And word to the wise for all the tin foil hat, conspiracy theory peddlers among us. Accusations require proof. Without you at best look like a moron, and at worst are sued.

Even Sarah Huckaberry Sanders can tell the truth, that is, under oath with Special Counsel and Boyscout Republican Robert Mueller breathing down on her. Anybody here read the results of his investigation? He put some bad boys in jail and the ones in Russia he incited can't venture too far from home. Fat Nixon took the fifth, rather than testify in front of the Senate.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528170]Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.[/QUOTE]This is an incredible post. So True.


Thank You.

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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2528556]This is an incredible post. So True..[/QUOTE]Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2528628]Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.[/QUOTE]What about Nixon's 'Southern strategy"?

The Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.

Dixiecrats emerged after Truman's 1948 integration of the military.

In the south, in the 1960's, the democratic party was deeply divided, with George Wallace tugging the party apart from President Johnson's big, dominant, civil rights expansion.

That gave President Nixon the space to attract southern racists into the GOP in large numbers.

Check out the movie dramatizing this takedown of the full of hubris Tricky Dick Nixon.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2527882]Here are a list of solar projects contracted out at less than $25 unsubsidized. You are deluding yourself if you think solar and wind are not going to keep putting coal out of business. Gas will be around for a while as a on / off supplier.

[URL]https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/8-countries-besides-the-us-with-solar-under-25-per-megawatt-hour[/URL]

Then again pretty much everything you write shows how much you delude yourself.[/QUOTE]Anybody can find any info to support their thinking on the internet. Look at your electric bill. How much has it gone down with all this wind and solar. And if you live in California you can ask your electric company is charging you 60% for the solar power. Your bill is your proof and if your bill is higher this year and doubles over the next 5 years you will still believe those liberal politicians. You liners must be prows today.

Catch and release back on again with criminals coming in again with no Covid tests.

Stimulus money going to illegals instead of our citizens.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2528628]Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.[/QUOTE]And Trump summoned the far right, militia, survivalist, conspiracy theory peddling, Alex Jones, Christian Identity cluster on board. These had before only looked at 3rd Party options. And it's true that there was some of this in Palin, especially with the goofy global conspiracy theories.

Take a spin around the vegetable fields and fruit orchards to see those doing the stoop labor, covered with pesticides. Ask agribusiness if they can make a profit without stiffing the workers or receiving subsidies. Same with the oil conglomerates.

Maybe people want the federal govt to be restricted.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2527662]One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2528744]Anybody can find any info to support their thinking on the internet. Look at your electric bill. How much has it gone down with all this wind and solar. And if you live in California you can ask your electric company is charging you 60% for the solar power. Your bill is your proof and if your bill is higher this year and doubles over the next 5 years you will still believe those liberal politicians. You liners must be prows today.

Catch and release back on again with criminals coming in again with no Covid tests.

Stimulus money going to illegals instead of our citizens.[/QUOTE]Given that I have rooftop solar my effective cost is half of utility rates so yes I'm pretty sure it is cheaper!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2528665]What about Nixon's 'Southern strategy"?

The Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.

Dixiecrats emerged after Truman's 1948 integration of the military.

In the south, in the 1960's, the democratic party was deeply divided, with George Wallace tugging the party apart from President Johnson's big, dominant, civil rights expansion.

That gave President Nixon the space to attract southern racists into the GOP in large numbers.[/QUOTE]The Republican Party abandoned their historic commitment to civil rights. Another big turning point was the nomination of Barry Goldwater, '64 election. He ran on a strong states rights platform and only won five Deep South states and his home state of Arizona. That was essentially the end the Republican Party as we knew it.

So apart from running a completely unnecessary budget deficit we now can see the complete failure of Trumps Trade wars.

The USA Trade deficit over the four years of President Donald Trump's presidency soared to its highest level since 2008, despite his tough tariff tactics intended to bring it down, a new Commerce Department report showed on Friday.

The combined USA Goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

Trump failed in one of his major trade policy goals because the USA Trade deficit is driven more by macroeconomic factors, like how much a country spends and saves, than it is by tariffs and foreign trade practices, analysts said.

"The Trump administration never had a feasible plan for reducing the trade deficit," explained Mary Lovely, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. "Their 2017 tax cut ensured that the USA As a whole would continue to spend more than it produced, hence the need for a current account deficit. The tariffs on China reduced imports from China, but these were mostly replaced with imports from other sources."

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2528356]Excellent analysis.

I'm not sure that 50% of Republicans are racist or xenophobic or homophobic or misogynistic or? But certainly a large percentage of them are. My fond hope is that all of these idiots will leave the GOP and form their own party.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and also do not believe that most of the GOP are racists, etc.

Labeling people as racists, misogynistic, and homophobic should be used more sparingly and only where it is a without doubt, especially the racist part as that can ruin people's careers and livelihoods. I choose to be more careful with my words, pointing my finger at "cultural prejudice" or those that believe in a "cultural hierarchy". That large sect of the GOP seem to push their WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) image of what America should be.

On an individual basis, those people are not even detrimental. Unfortunately, due to the effects of herd / hoard mentality, the actions of the group effectively becomes xenophobic and exclusive in nature. Unspoken social friction will continue to exist and I don't even fully support legislating more civil rights. But my concern is when the hoard's positions become incorporated into actual political platforms and agendas. Then the crazies start taking positions of power and you now have nut job, uncouth conspiracy theorists like Marjorie Taylor Greene in the United States Congress and assholes like Josh Hawley trying to become the next Republican JFK.

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Commenter: "In other news, Jimmy Swaggart to move his ministry to Oregon. Bill Clinton announces his plans to relocate to Oregon and immediately starting a new house search in Portland with the help of his assistant Hunter Biden. . . " "The Oregon Legislators can now operate legally. " LOL High level politicians take interest in moving White House to Portland Oregon?

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/nancy-pelosis-renewed-attacks-on-aoc-arent-just-disrespectful-theyre-dangerous[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-all-things-kamala-harris-no-longer-believes-about-joe-biden-2094638/amp/[/URL]

"Washington, D. C. —In a historic move, the USA Senate decided to switch to voting by mail for Trump's second impeachment trial. After all the votes were counted by an intern in a back room with no video camera using a specially made vote counting machine with a remote controlled WIFI connection, the Senate ruled to convict President Trump of incitement to violence by a vote of 8275 to 3.

"Our holy democracy has spoken," said Senator Chuck Schumer. "Do not ask any questions or you are a blasphemer against the sacred sacredness of our vote. Everyone can go home now!

A couple of troublemaking Senators attempted to overthrow the Constitution by bringing up the point that there are only 100 Senators, making it impossible to arrive at a tally of 8275 to 3, but they were quickly removed from the Senate Chambers and condemned for "attempting to suppress the votes of people of color. ".

The Senate then moved on to other business, passing universal healthcare by a margin of 320,000 to 4 . . . ".

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

[URL]https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/[/URL]

Welcome to the United Communists of America.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2531431]In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

[URL]https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/[/URL]


Welcome to the United Communists of America.[/QUOTE]Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2531431]In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, [/QUOTE]Florida isn't successful at all with the pandemic. Check the numbers and graphs.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/[/URL]

Is too bad we can't send the shit kickers in the panhandle to Alabama where they belong, then we'd be a solidly blue state. Yet we are still a swing state. We need to win back some South American immigrants that have been duped a lot recently by red baiting propaganda spread in South FL.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2531431]Welcome to the United Communists of America.[/QUOTE]But of course, red baiting is always the angle of choice for the least educated and informed.

A heirloom photograph to be kept close to the heart.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2531610]A heirloom photograph to be kept close to the heart.[/QUOTE]Small hands, fo' sho'.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2531544]The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!.[/QUOTE]The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for the Democrats rigging their 2016 primaries that forced Hillary Clinton on an unwilling electorate.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2531544]Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned Trump, you did. You, like the rest of the worker ants you represent are Trump obsessed. The post was about the progressive lunatics' effort to take away the rights of the American people and that even includes you. Next time stay on topic if you want to add something of value for the board. Unfortunately, you chose your nonsensical Trump rant instead of actual reading the article and becoming slightly more educated about the motivations of the Biden administration. To quote the great Gandhi "I will never let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet. " you are now blocked.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2531544]Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.[/QUOTE]Biden's destroying USA, he's without a doubt the most far left president USA ever had. He has already destroyed tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. Biden is a job destroyer and promoter of the radical left and identity politics.

Trump did a great job and we already miss having him as president.

Trump defended the US, Biden is destroying USA by supporting antifa and BLM and their acts of domestic terrorism.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2531619]Small hands, fo' sho'.[/QUOTE]Small brain for sure.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529164]I agree with you and also do not believe that most of the GOP are racists, etc.Labeling people as racists, misogynistic, and homophobic should be used more sparingly and only where it is a without doubt, especially the racist part as that can ruin people's careers and livelihoods. I choose to be more careful with my words, pointing my finger at "cultural prejudice" or those that believe in a "cultural hierarchy". That large sect of the GOP seem to push their WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) image of what America should be.[/QUOTE]It really does not matter if the GOP is any of these titles or not, because the "racists" , etc. Grabs the mike, and screams the loudest, and sucks all the air out of the room, while your "nice" Republicans allow it to happen, and don't say shit. I wonder how Republicans feel to be painted with a broad brush? God knows the police do it everyday. Aren't all Blacks crooks to be shot dead in the street?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2531431]In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

[URL]https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/[/URL][/QUOTE]You're right LL#1. This obsession with making everything about Trump closes minds and continues dividing the country long after the election. Florida Governor was a Trump supporter. He didn't shutdown his state in a draconian manner. Must punish and make Florida look bad. NY Governor anti-Trump Democrat mugs for the cameras. Must be praised and rewarded.

I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2531544]Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.[/QUOTE]Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.[/QUOTE]Actually sounds like Trump, calling our free press "the enemy of the people," a favorite phrase used by the prolific Communist Joseph Stalin. Trump also like Stalin was a propaganda machine, spinning lies and conspiracy theories throughout his tenure through defacto state news / Fox News. This included lies about a stolen election, the same which were rejected by the courts including many Republican judges upwards of 60 times. This all culminated in a coup attempt and murders of polices offiicers at the US Capital. That's all of course fundamentally undemocratic.

As to the free speech of conservates, well damn, you have Fox, the NY Post, Brietbart, Alex Jones, and News Max to name a few. You rule talk radio with many a blow hard. This though you don't get to spread violent speech calling for the deaths of public officials. And private internet platforms have every right to get tired of and thus remove your highly inflammatory, and ultimately violence inciting stolen election lies.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents. [/QUOTE]Those networks at times may give a sympathetic ear to Democratic Socialists like Bernie and AOC, but there are many fundamental differences between this ideology and Communism. You are ignorant of the very basics, and didn't even listen in secondary school, much less college if you went.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.[/QUOTE]Sadly Trump is a crook. Some of his cronies like Roger Stone and Michael Flynn committed serious crimes and needed to be charged. Trump's propensity to fire and / or smear any and all who cross him and / or won't go along with his crooked schemes all involved heavy handed attempts to squelch dissent. Case in point Colonel Vidman, and the GA Sec of State who refused to find votes for him. This list of course is extremely long.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Trumpism to the tee, which, among many other things, tried to steal an election, all of which culminated in murders.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.[/QUOTE]Actually the Democratic Party has overseen many successful capitalist economies in recent decades. That would include the dot com boom with balanced federal budget during the Clinton years, and economic revival from the Great Recession under Obama. Your typical Democrat is similar to your typical Republican, as they both advocate a mixed economy with both free market and socialist principles. Examples of the latter would be Medicare, public education, student loans, and anti-trust laws. In a word you are a mediocre at best red baiter, as you lack knowledge of even the basics.

That said, Trump wasn't a Communist, nor was he a Fascist in my view. The existence of some similarities doesn't mean the label fits. Tossing out such buzz words is for people that want to make a splash but lack understanding of the concepts they are talking about. They are also used by politicians that know better, but still use them to win votes from people like you that don't know better. Trump was essentially an autocrat wannabe that tested the restraints applied by our democracy at every turn. Autocracy by the way is fundamental in both Fascism and Communism in practice.

P.S. With all this damning, irrefutable evidence naturally all the Trump faithful can say is "What about Antifa?" Yea what about them? Whataboutism is no more relevant here than it is when three year olds are arguing over crayons. Plus your typical Antifa activist follows Anarchism and calls for the abolishment of police forces and prisons. This is all antithetical to the views of your typical Democrat, though right wing media has attempted to make associations through various debunked conspiracy theories. More on that and other Antifa myths are found here.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-antifa/2020/09/11/527071ac-f37b-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html[/URL]

USA —President Donald Trump made history once again today after being acquitted in his second Senate impeachment trial. He is now the most acquitted president in American history.

Donald Trump issued a statement regarding this incredible honor.

"I have been completely and totally cleared of all wrongdoing in this pathetic witch hunt sham impeachment trial," said Trump. "I am now the most acquitted president ever -- even more than Bill Clinton. No president has ever been acquitted more than I have. Will I get the credit? Probably not, because of the fake news media. I am looking forward to continuing our MAGA movement together for many more acquittals to come!

According to sources, Republican Senators cheered and high-fived each other, knowing they had just outsmarted all the Democrats into bestowing such an unprecedented badge of honor on the former president.

"Oh no! What have we done? Wailed Senator Amy Klobuchar, suddenly realizing the Senate had given Trump yet another impressive world record, making him the subject of trivia questions for the next two centuries.

According to sources, Clinton will be handing over his giant gold "most acquitted ever" trophy to Trump in Mar-a-Lago next week. . . "

Semi-Satire Babylon Bee.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2531743]You're right LL#1. This obsession with making everything about Trump closes minds and continues dividing the country long after the election. Florida Governor was a Trump supporter. He didn't shutdown his state in a draconian manner. Must punish and make Florida look bad. NY Governor anti-Trump Democrat mugs for the cameras. Must be praised and rewarded.

I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.[/QUOTE]According to wikipedia, this is what's going on in Florida:

On September 25, DeSantis issued an order that effectively nullified public health measures imposed by various local governments in Florida to combat the spread of the virus. DeSantis's order prohibits local governments from imposing fines or shutting down businesses for violations of mask mandates. The order also allows restaurants to immediately reopen at full capacity and restricted local governments from ordering restaurants to operate at less than half-capacity. On November 24, amid an increase in the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the state throughout the autumn, DeSantis extended this order. By late fall, confirmed cases of COVID-19 rose again in Florida, with over 10,000 new cases per day reported on over half the days of December 2020 and 13 of the first 14 days of 2021.

21,015 new cases were reported for December 31 on January 2, the highest daily report for 2020.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2531731]It really does not matter if the GOP is any of these titles or not, because the "racists" , etc. Grabs the mike, and screams the loudest, and sucks all the air out of the room, while your "nice" Republicans allow it to happen, and don't say shit. I wonder how Republicans feel to be painted with a broad brush? God knows the police do it everyday. Aren't all Blacks crooks to be shot dead in the street?[/QUOTE]Aren't policemen shot to death by black people?

Weren't Democrats burning American cities?

You see things goes two ways. There's no innocent party in this. People should stop being so one eyed, it's destroying the US.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2531743]I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.[/QUOTE]One could argue that Florida isn't a disaster with COVID, but can only look like a fool if they say it's successful as the poster you replied to implied. The best models are found outside the US, in places like Taiwan, Thailand, New Zealand, and Australia. And though policy is important, the key is compliance. The former doesn't mean two shits without the latter.

In any case, after that atrocity at the Capital fueled by bizarre stolen election lies that court after court dismissed as ridiculous, it's no wonder that conservatives must find something else to talk about, IE. Whataboutism.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning[/URL]

P.S. As to the "liberal" label, well we have these Americans who are best identified as moderates or swing voters. They are found in both major parties and as independents. We are the ones that decide national elections, just a FYI.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communism is:Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.
Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.
Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.
Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.
Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.
Communist government wants to end capitalism. Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.[/QUOTE]It could be said that communist government is nothing other than one-party rule, in a situation where no other parties can be permitted to exist, except as controlled opposition. Are the Democrats (and their oligarch and technocrat enablers) headed in this direction? They sure seem to be, at least in their wetdreams so far.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531846]Aren't policemen shot to death by black people?

Weren't Democrats burning American cities?

You see things goes two ways. There's no innocent party in this. People should stop being so one eyed, it's destroying the US.[/QUOTE]No one side was demonstrating against systemic racism and the other was demonstrating about a big lie from a guy with a bruised ego.

Many of the BLM demonstrations were peaceful and much of the violence perpetrated by heavy handed law enforcement or counter protests.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.[/QUOTE]Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.

Paraphrasing an author whose name escapes me: There is crazy, there is fucked up, and then there is this.

[QUOTE=Canada;2531763]Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2531882]No one side was demonstrating against systemic racism and the other was demonstrating about a big lie from a guy with a bruised ego.

Many of the BLM demonstrations were peaceful and much of the violence perpetrated by heavy handed law enforcement or counter protests.[/QUOTE]Haha, thank you for proving my point. It's ridiculous to see how one eyed you're.

Have you already forgotten the riots carried out of Democrats after Trump was elected? I haven't. Most Trump supporters were protesting peacefully, why are you ignoring that?

Why are you ignoring the terrorism and deadly violence carried out by antifa and BLM? You're not interested in the truth, you just want to bash your political opponents.

The most racist thing and the ultimate proof of systematic racism in USA is the affirmative action.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2531888]Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.[/QUOTE]That face you make when you see somebody gushing over communism.

This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and other nonproductive degrees.

Communism is terrible for people of all socioeconomic backgrounds; it's not like there aren't examples for you to reflect upon.

I think what the OP means to point out is the liberal medial along with the liberal politicians have colluded to silence dissenting opinions. Not only that though, they have used cancel culture to destroy their opponents.

My prediction: Now that the dark powers of liberalism no longer have a common enemy in Trump, they will start to devour their own. You can already see it happening, can't you? Lincoln Project, Cuomo. There is more to come.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2531864]One could argue that Florida isn't a disaster with COVID, but can only look like a fool if they say it's successful as the poster you replied to implied. The best models are found outside the US, in places like Taiwan, Thailand, New Zealand, and Australia. And though policy is important, the key is compliance. The former doesn't mean two shits without the latter.

In any case, after that atrocity at the Capital fueled by bizarre stolen election lies that court after court dismissed as ridiculous, it's no wonder that conservatives must find something else to talk about, IE. Whataboutism.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning[/URL]

P.S. As to the "liberal" label, well we have these Americans who are best identified as moderates or swing voters. They are found in both major parties and as independents. We are the ones that decide national elections, just a FYI.[/QUOTE]My main point was to highlight how Democrats and liberal media try to ostracize Florida and venerate New York even if the results don't tell the same story. Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe.

No one would argue that an extreme lockdown strictly enforced would yield results. The question is always for how long. The novel coronavirus is so adept at spreading it appears it comes roaring back when lockdowns have been relaxed. We should also all agree the initial USA Lockdown was not initiated with a goal of eradication.

I don't think it is lost on anyone that three of the four countries you noted are island nations in the Asia Pacific region where frequent viruses have been more of a threat. Lockdowns on their own haven't been the only factor in combating virus. How well a country rolled out initial testing, number of initial cases at the onset, culture, level of government control, etc. All have played a part.

After the Arkade GP DX console suspends game of Mario Kart Race due to a clogged toilet, with his granddaughter in the lead by 3 laps, Biden is suddenly announced Winner when the game restarted! LOL.

"How did Joe Biden relax during his first Presidents Day weekend as president? By playing MarioKart with his family.

During his weekend retreat at Camp David, Biden and his granddaughter Naomi played the racing video game, and he won. Naomi shared a video to Instagram that showed Biden competing against her on the Arcade GP DX machines, complete with chairs and steering wheels.

Biden sat on the right as Luigi, and Naomi is Princess Peach on the left, GameRant noted. Despite not being at the same gaming level as his granddaughter, the commander-in-chief came out victorious. . . "

Newsweek.

By Marina Watts on 2/15/21 AT 6:36 PM EST.

Commenter "Wait, this is a real headline? This is journalism? Asking questions about what flavor of ice cream he is eating, his dogs, and now video games? If Trump said he played video games, the press would be reporting non stop that he was the worst President ever and that he was a lazy slob who didn't care about the country and all its problems. Good grief."

Satire.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2531888]Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.[/QUOTE]Yes you are right. In communist countries they don't work for $7 an hour for big companies. They work for the state for $8 a day.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532048]My main point was to highlight how Democrats and liberal media try to ostracize Florida and venerate New York even if the results don't tell the same story. Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe. [/QUOTE]Europe has been reported on plenty, just check the world news section of CNN and other outlets you object to. My point was that conservatives have their own media which is often extremely biased. New York had a terrible start, much of it due to logistics as a major hub for international travel, plus heavy use of mass transit for commutes. But they smashed the curve from May to Nov, and were rightly highly praised for that. Many lives were saved during that period with good policy and compliance. Though they have seen a second wave, but with a much lower death rate. It still all comes down to compliance with sound protocols, of which Florida has seen little, and thus their successes have been few. Policy has also been an embarrassment as Desantis intervened to prevent local governments from enforcing mask mandates and restaurant closures. So your complaints about NY as compared to FL in media coverage is a product of being fed half-truths from conservative media. There are distinct differences.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532048]No one would argue that an extreme lockdown strictly enforced would yield results. The question is always for how long. The novel coronavirus is so adept at spreading it appears it comes roaring back when lockdowns have been relaxed. We should also all agree the initial USA Lockdown was not initiated with a goal of eradication.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? There's plenty of people that argue that lockdowns don't work, same goes for masks, and social distancing. This forum is full of them. LOL.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532048]I don't think it is lost on anyone that three of the four countries you noted are island nations.[/QUOTE]I've heard that one before and it's a cop out. Thailand is no island, so how did they do it? What about Singapore and Cambodia? The curve is smashed in the former and the latter has no recorded deaths.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cambodia/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532048] Lockdowns on their own haven't been the only factor in combating virus. How well a country rolled out initial testing, number of initial cases at the onset, culture, level of government control, etc. All have played a part.[/QUOTE]The goal most places has been to minimize the lose of life until we have a better handle on treatments and vaccines are developed. But there has been much working against this in the states, with arrays of misinterpretations of the Constitution, quacks, pseudo-scientific disinformation, election related conspiracy theories, anti-maskers, downplaying, minimizing, "it's no worse than the flu" or "it will go away on it's own when the weather turns cold" nonsense. Much of this has been fueled by conservative media, and of course the former president and his cronies. Such has cost us a lot of lives, so excuse me if I'm not moved when you whine about "the liberal media" in matters Covid reporting.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532098]Yes you are right. In communist countries they don't work for $7 an hour for big companies. They work for the state for $8 a day.[/QUOTE]Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.

[QUOTE=Beans5;2532047]That face you make when you see somebody gushing over communism.

This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and other nonproductive degrees.

Communism is terrible for people of all socioeconomic backgrounds; it's not like there aren't examples for you to reflect upon.

I think what the OP means to point out is the liberal medial along with the liberal politicians have colluded to silence dissenting opinions. Not only that though, they have used cancel culture to destroy their opponents.

My prediction: Now that the dark powers of liberalism no longer have a common enemy in Trump, they will start to devour their own. You can already see it happening, can't you? Lincoln Project, Cuomo. There is more to come.[/QUOTE]Show where I was crowing about communism! I did nothing more than point out that by definition pretty much everything that Canada attributes to communism is by definition not communism. However whilst the right is busily describing the evils of socialism they happily walk down the path of fascism that Trump was clearly leading them. Loyalty to dear leader, ignoring the laws and institutions of government, demonising minorities, forming private militias, a well oiled propaganda machine. At least 82 million Americans could see the truth.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532048]Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe.[/QUOTE]Summer through early fall there was every reason to mention Europe, for they were as a whole doing far better than the states. And even after a big second wave hit across the pond as guards were dropped & indoor activities greatly increased due to cold weather, the US remains #5 in the world in deaths per 100 K population. Of the four countries that currently edge us out, three are in western Europe, one central. See attachment.

No one is picking on the USA, nor is any liberal media picking on you. It is what it is, and quackery and lame conspiracy theories were rightly exposed, most everywhere except on Fox and the like, and of course talk radio.

The graph I previously posted didn't prove to be well visible. Here's an improvement along with the source.

[URL]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2532171]Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.[/QUOTE]Fearmongers love screaming about communism, but communism refers to one thing only -- failed economic ideology. Communism has never existed in real life and never will. And while all attempts to build a communist paradise have inevitably led to extreme poverty and mass atrocities, it hardly holds a monopoly on misery or bloodletting. Talking about communism as if it was a real thing is maliciously misleading.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2532291]Fearmongers love screaming about communism, but communism refers to one thing only -- failed economic ideology. Communism has never existed in real life and never will. And while all attempts to build a communist paradise have inevitably led to extreme poverty and mass atrocities, it hardly holds a monopoly on misery or bloodletting. Talking about communism as if it was a real thing is maliciously misleading.[/QUOTE]Hilarious. LMFAO!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2532174]Show where I was crowing about communism! I did nothing more than point out that by definition pretty much everything that Canada attributes to communism is by definition not communism. However whilst the right is busily describing the evils of socialism they happily walk down the path of fascism that Trump was clearly leading them. Loyalty to dear leader, ignoring the laws and institutions of government, demonising minorities, forming private militias, a well oiled propaganda machine. At least 82 million Americans could see the truth.[/QUOTE]Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.

Your Godfather of socialism put it exactly how it is.

"The goal of socialism is communism. ".

Vladimir Lenin.

Capitalism has thrived for hundreds of years, has given you the right to succeed or fail, your choice. In contrast socialism has never lasted that's why every socialist country, eventually morphs into Communism. Open your eyes America.

[QUOTE=Beans5;2532047]This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and [/QUOTE]This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who have not experienced it directly, that is lived under it. Although what is generically denoted as communism should more accurately be termed one-party totalitarian state. In this system, a one-party state cannot allow alternative parties because they know they'd be voted out of power. Are the Democrats looking to lead a one-party state? We'll see.

As for socialism: the USA was at the height of its power when the income tax rate was at its highest: 90% on top earners. Consider that in context of the oligarchs' pushback since the end of the 60's and where it has led to the current day.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2532401]This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who have not experienced it directly, that is lived under it. Although what is generically denoted as communism should more accurately be termed one-party totalitarian state. In this system, a one-party state cannot allow alternative parties because they know they'd be voted out of power. Are the Democrats looking to lead a one-party state? We'll see.

As for socialism: the USA was at the height of its power when the income tax rate was at its highest: 90% on top earners. Consider that in context of the oligarchs' pushback since the end of the 60's and where it has led to the current day.[/QUOTE]Communism as it existed in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union was not communism but as you said totalitarianism ruled by one part but they actually had many minor parties. In USA there are only 2 parties in power so not much difference. 2 vs 1. Republicans talk freedom but are more totalitarian. You must vote along the party line or be labeled a traitor. They are owned by the rich. Dems have sold out to all the minorities and I mean all not just racially. Neither really represents most that's why the independents are the swing voters sought after by both. We with need more parties or none. Let each candidate be voted in on their merits and not by what party they belong to. But looks like a 3rd part may be non Trump republicans or that's the talk now.

The story of how the Democrats seized the power, they had to import new voters.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532356]Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.[/QUOTE]Biden has been in office for less than a month. His record so far.

Cancel XL Pipeline. Hurts revenue for all the states it was going on reducing funds for schools roads and infrastructure. Helps his biggest donors. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who own the majority of railway stocks. At least my one share of Buffet Stock increased $55,000. 00 since Biden was elected.

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase.

Rejoining WHO and Paris Accord.

Opening our borders to illegal immigrants and agreeing to give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship. Open border to Mexico but wants to close border into Florida from all other states.

If this isn't radical what is?

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2532412]Tepublicans...They are owned by the rich. Dems have sold out to all the minorities and I mean all not just racially. Neither really represents most that's why the independents are the swing voters sought after by both. But looks like a 3rd part may be non Trump republicans or that's the talk now.[/QUOTE]Take a look at the Democrat Party donor base and you'll see who owns them. The swing voters or the part of the electorate that would vote a third party will come from both main parties, from all parts of the political spectrum, not at all exclusively from non-Trump republicans as your mainstream media would have you believe. Just look at the polls on who supports universal or one-payer healthcare and you'll see where the votes are.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532486]...

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase...
[/QUOTE]Clearly we have different political positions, on which I don't choose to engage; however, on this one issue, petroleum pricing, I will ask how well your previous predictions have stood up?

1) I don't think the future markets agree with you. The price of Brent is $64/ bbl today; however, futures contracts are heavily against you for the next year.

2) Oil is a world commodity. The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.

3) Petroleum for power is basically doomed. Excluding the costs to health and the environment of burning it and ejecting CO2 and waste heat into the atmosphere, it is a stupid way to make power. In particular, regardless of what Biden does, ICE engines for cars etc are finished.

4) A word of friendly advice, don't buy any oil stocks even in the short term. Oil is only headed one way... down.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2532412]Communism as it existed in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union was not communism but as you said totalitarianism ruled by one part but they actually had many minor parties..[/QUOTE]About 'many minor parties' in the Soviet sphere:

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves" --V. I. Lenin.

Lenin's strategic thinking has been noted and put into practice by successive political operatives and leaders, perhaps by those in your own country as well, up to and including the present day.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2532171]Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.[/QUOTE]Yikes! Are you recommending something akin to a communal economy? While complex economies with enormous private enterprises demand some government involvement, I'm not sure if you are just making a point about political labels or making a case.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2532493]Oil is a world commodity. The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.[/QUOTE]That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? You have probably seen pipeline maps of the USA It's obviously a tried and true method for transporting oil. I think it became too much a symbol for climate activists. I'm not much for symbolic gestures, but admittedly they are important in politics.

What is your stance on natural gas? Or nuclear energy?

My take is climate activists are not pragmatic on any level. Natural gas and nuclear energy could be very helpful in reducing CO2 emissions until clean renewables make technological advances.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2532493]Clearly we have different political positions, on which I don't choose to engage; however, on this one issue, petroleum pricing, I will ask how well your previous predictions have stood up?

1) I don't think the future markets agree with you. The price of Brent is $64/ bbl today; however, futures contracts are heavily against you for the next year.[/QUOTE]And I think they should be even lower than that.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2532493]The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.[/QUOTE]JC, you are too high on your numbers. Canadians started tar production back when oil was at $20 a barrel in 2000. As for USA Production, it varies a lot based on salaries but this was during a boom phase: [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/clairepoole/2018/07/29/5-permian-basin-oil-producers-with-the-lowest-break-even-price/?sh=7a0424895325[/URL].

"It found that the break-even oil prices for wells with lateral lengths of 4,500 to 10,500 feet ranged from $21 to $48 per barrel."

And I have been told it is even lower than that. The real issue with Permian oil was pipeline capacity in that the region produced too much oil.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2532493]4) A word of friendly advice, don't buy any oil stocks even in the short term. Oil is only headed one way... down.[/QUOTE]I agree 1000%. I think what you are seeing is the anti-dollar trade as the Fed is just throwing money at banks and hedge funds and investors, and they are encouraged to look into anything else but the dollar. Hence, the rise in oil and in bitcoin. What is so fucked up is that Venezuela, Venezuela! Is using the dollar as a currency now.

Peak production was 100.7 million bpd in Q1 2020. The world never went higher than 95.5 million bpd in 2020. And BTW, that number was with Venezuela and Libya producing next to nothing and Iranian oil production cut in half. Getting production back up to 2016 numbers, and you are looking at 6 million more BPD of capacity on line.

There is no question there is an overall glut. EIA is projecting a 4 million BPD increase in consumption in 2021, and I just do not see that happening this year. Maybe in 2022 when the world is vaccinated against Covid but not now.

There used to be two ETFs that you could buy to short the oil market, DTO and SCO but now SCO is the only one left. It might be time to look at it again. The potential on it is huge.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532563]Yikes! Are you recommending something akin to a communal economy? While complex economies with enormous private enterprises demand some government involvement, I'm not sure if you are just making a point about political labels or making a case.[/QUOTE]No I am not making a case I am making a point that apart from some historical tribal societies communism has never existed. If people keep complaining about communism as though it actually exists then they really are just showing their lack of understanding of what they are talking about.

Just because a party might call itself a communist party does not mean it is one!

Even China which is often described as a communist country is in fact a hybrid socialist / free market society. Having visited China many times it is clear they have been very economically successful, they have great infrastructure, but I wouldn't want to be a Chinese living there nor would I want to live in the US where both the infrastructure and society are in decay.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532356]Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.[/QUOTE]Show one city that has been burnt down or taken over? People were protesting real problems vs Jan 6 were the attempted coup was based on one big lie!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532566]That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? ...[/QUOTE]Okay, good idea! My guess is that if it were private money it would have gone away a long time ago. The money that's in it so far is guaranteed by Alberta for, what I think are, ideological reasons. So, there's only dumb, Provincial money behind this. With the current (and future) price of crude, this would never, ever be done with private money.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532486]Biden has been in office for less than a month. His record so far.

Cancel XL Pipeline. Hurts revenue for all the states it was going on reducing funds for schools roads and infrastructure. Helps his biggest donors. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who own the majority of railway stocks. At least my one share of Buffet Stock increased $55,000. 00 since Biden was elected.

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase.

Rejoining WHO and Paris Accord.

Opening our borders to illegal immigrants and agreeing to give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship. Open border to Mexico but wants to close border into Florida from all other states.

If this isn't radical what is?[/QUOTE]Are you a Newfie, I hear they are a bit simple.

Shutting down Keystone hurts Canada and makes no difference to anyone in the states as the Canadians wear the costs as they must sell at market rates. At the end of the day the refineries could just invest to treat lighter crudes but they obviously don't see the upside in the fuel markets to justify the expenditures. It is more likely with the increase in electric vehicles that those refineries will be shutting down, not worrying about the supply from Canada. (Note how carmakers who are announcing a migration to electric are showing strong share price growth).

Drilling has not been shut down on Federal lands. There was a pause of 60 days on issuing new leases. Even when Trump allowed bidding in Alaska there was virtually no interest. $60 a barrel is about what the price of oil was pre Covid. The US oil industry is not viable at $40 so hardly worth a comment.

Joining the Paris accord is a good thing. The US is meeting its commitments so hardly a burden. In fact because renewable energy is becoming so cheap the US is accelerating its ability to meet future targets.

Rejoining WHO so new pandemic threats can be identified and managed externally rather than taking hold of the country. Imagine if the president doesn't disband the departments set up to manage pandemics. Imagine not having a president whose personal wealth does not depend on the hotel industry who did everything possible to prevent the shutdown of travel both foreign and domestic and by doing so helped the widespread dispersement of a highly contagious disease.

The borders have not been reopened to illegals. Once again you would ignore the fact that most illegals are in the country from visa overstays. You also ignore the fact that they come because there is a market for their labour. Kill that market by levying crippling fines on employers and the demand would dry up.

The 11 million illegals exist already, making them legal changes little if anything.

The most radical thing about what you wrote is that there are 70 million Americans who would agree with your stupidity.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2532566]That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? You have probably seen pipeline maps of the USA It's obviously a tried and true method for transporting oil. I think it became too much a symbol for climate activists. I'm not much for symbolic gestures, but admittedly they are important in politics.

What is your stance on natural gas? Or nuclear energy?

My take is climate activists are not pragmatic on any level. Natural gas and nuclear energy could be very helpful in reducing CO2 emissions until clean renewables make technological advances.[/QUOTE]Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532628]...This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.[/QUOTE]This is just a bold face, simple, lie. It is Republican disinformation. According to the State ERCOT it's a lie. According to right wing Texas news sources it is a lie. You are repeating a proven lie. I believe you know this is a lie and are deliberately spreading disinformation.

[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-frozen/[/URL]

We do not approve of willful liars on this forum. You should apologize to this forum for knowingly repeating this lie.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532628]This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.[/QUOTE]Explain to me how wind power showed weakness in Texas this week?

We have this post to clearly show your lack of intelligence and willingness to believe right-wing lies.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532324]Hilarious. LMFAO![/QUOTE]Are these dumb pictures supposed to be worth three thousand words?

They aren't.

Communism has never existed in real life. Go ahead, prove me wrong if you can.

No one here has hots for communism. Like I've said before, all attempts at building a communist society have ended up in failure, human misery and mass graves.

But you and your ideological allies are grossly misusing all 'isms. ' Fascism, communism, socialism too.

I understand why fearmongers are doing this. Throw "communism" around a bit, and people start running for cover.

Just don't scare yourselves shitless, too, you guys.

Funny, a discussion like this one is not exactly why I come to ISG, but it kind of pulls you in, LOL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532628]Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.[/QUOTE]This week in Texas shows why you do not deregulate. These plants were not required to winterize and that is the problem. El Paso which is on the western grid is fine. Public utilities need to remain public utilities, privatization is a scam.

[QUOTE=Canada;2532628]Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.[/QUOTE]Natural gas is why Texas is in crisis. All the valves and control systems don't like the cold so the gas doesn't flow! Solar and wind are taking over because they are cheaper irrespective of government policy. Nuclear is just not economic to build at least not in the US. This week Texas showed what poor policy brings you. They don't plan for freezing weather and when they get it they cannot cope. Wind turbines work in frezzing conditions if you put the anti freeze devices on them. Natural gas flows when you use the correct valves and control systems. Republicans fail again and try to blame everyone but their own policy failures. Maybe if they connected to other grids then they could have been helped out by competent operators.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2532686]This week in Texas shows why you do not deregulate. These plants were not required to winterize and that is the problem. El Paso which is on the western grid is fine. Public utilities need to remain public utilities, privatization is a scam.[/QUOTE]Privatization generates fees for the banksters, and interest income streams for the parasites. Creating tollbooths for essential services: this is the model being inflicted on the citizenry. As long as they can get away with it, they'll keep doing it.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2532492]Take a look at the Democrat Party donor base and you'll see who owns them. The swing voters or the part of the electorate that would vote a third party will come from both main parties, from all parts of the political spectrum, not at all exclusively from non-Trump republicans as your mainstream media would have you believe. Just look at the polls on who supports universal or one-payer healthcare and you'll see where the votes are.[/QUOTE]IMHO, they both are bought and paid for by many of the same donors. Best to support both because one will lose and one will win and you want to be able to tell the winner you supported him. The mob was very good at that too. Agree on who wants a 3rd party. Many from each party and Indies but for different reasons. The reason I said non-Trump Republicans is because I have seen at least 3 or 4 saying that. At least 2 from Lincoln group.

But to be absolutely clear, I have little to no faith in any political system or party. All run by self serving people who know how to talk and tell people what they want to hear. Kind of like preachers who can get the last penny from a poor man.

Who was DB Cooper and did he live after his hijacking?

[QUOTE=MemoeNasty;2532888]He'll spend a lot of time in Mexico because their judicial system is very slow. Eventually he will be extradited to the United States because Mexico will not want to take care of him for the rest of his natural life. As far as I know Mexico does not have a death penalty but murder does carry a life sentence. Once he is in the United States he will spend some time in prison but will eventually be let out. I expect this whole process to take 10-15 years. I read that he is 26 years old. I expect him to be out by the time he's 40-45. I don't know why this happened but the pics of this dead chica laying on the floor with towels covering her and blood everywhere is the sickest thing I've seen happen in the zona. It looks like something out of a horror movie. Many may disagree but I think the club should be punished harshly. They're operating illegally in a pandemic and should be held accountable for their employee. Hefty fines and maybe shut down for a period of time. Moe.[/QUOTE]Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.

[QUOTE=Dogers69;2532944]Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.[/QUOTE]Here we go again with another misinformed individual on the "Big Lie" ticket. Biden is not going to defund the police. As a matter of fact, he is going to invest more in police. Do your homework and don't start spreading that Trump and Republican "Big Lie" BS with us.

[QUOTE=Dogers69;2532944]Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.[/QUOTE]Lies. Where did you get that from?

[QUOTE=RikyMichaels7;2533145]Here we go again with another misinformed individual on the "Big Lie" ticket. Biden is not going to defund the police. As a matter of fact, he is going to invest more in police. Do your homework and don't start spreading that Trump and Republican "Big Lie" BS with us.[/QUOTE]Is an Atheist allowed to say "Amen!"?

[QUOTE=Dogers69;2532944]Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.[/QUOTE]Why are you bringing up liberals in the United States? This crime happened in Mexico and is under the jurisdiction of Mexican courts. The only way a US court could try to claim jurisdiction is if the attacker and the victim are both American. There may be statutes out there that allow the US feds to also file charges like when they catch Americans abroad hooking up with minors, but so far it looks like the US will mostly stay out of this case.

And just to be clear to the readers out there, this Dogers69 guy also previously complained about San Diego California being a high crime dangerous city which is not even close to being true. San Diego is one of the safest cities in the US. Dogers69 also complained about the weather in San Diego when San Diego literally is regarded as having the best weather in the whole United States.

Dogers69 is known for making outlandish claims that don't seem to be grounded in reality or logic.

Ignore the clueless child. As I said before, nothing he posts here has any value.

[QUOTE=Jinxx;2533265]Why are you bringing up liberals in the United States? This crime happened in Mexico and is under the jurisdiction of Mexican courts. The only way a US court could try to claim jurisdiction is if the attacker and the victim are both American. There may be statutes out there that allow the US feds to also file charges like when they catch Americans abroad hooking up with minors, but so far it looks like the US will mostly stay out of this case.

And just to be clear to the readers out there, this Dogers69 guy also previously complained about San Diego California being a high crime dangerous city which is not even close to being true. San Diego is one of the safest cities in the US. Dogers69 also complained about the weather in San Diego when San Diego literally is regarded as having the best weather in the whole United States.

Dogers69 is known for making outlandish claims that don't seem to be grounded in reality or logic.[/QUOTE]

There's a sucker born every minute.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2533453]There's a sucker born every minute.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back[/URL][/QUOTE]"Stupid is as stupid does."

Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

"Washington, D. C. —In spite of Democrats' best efforts to curb the use of fossil fuels, stubborn Americans continue to use them to power their automobiles and heat their homes. Biden is responding to this crisis with an ambitious new plan to raise the price of gas to $100 per gallon by the end of his first 100 days in office to fight global warming.

"Listen-- all these fossil fuels, they got to stop! Got to stop!" Biden said to the Secret Service agent pumping gas into his presidential limo. "We got to do something about these selfish Americans and one-horse kangaroo herders burning all these fuels without consequences. I know consequences. Just ask Corn Pop and his buddies. When I'm done with 'them, these Americans will never burn a gallon of gas again, Jack!

The administration has announced the "Gas Prices To The Mooooon" campaign-- a series of executive orders designed to drive the price of fuel up to make it unattainable to anyone except John Kerry.

When confronted with the question of how Americans will afford to get around with $100-per-gallon gas, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested they stay home and eat some ice cream instead.

Currently, the average price stands at $2.53 per gallon and rising, which experts say is likely Trump's fault. . ."

Humor: [URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office[/URL].

[QUOTE=Travv;2533998]Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

Humor: [URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office[/URL].[/QUOTE]Doesn't really matter what your political opinion is, how you voted, what news shows you watch -- combustion engines are finished. Ten years from now, gas cars will be like film cameras. As far as the price of gas, it absolutely doesn't matter what Biden does, the (near) long term price of oil is only going one way -- that's down.

[QUOTE=Travv;2533998]Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

"Washington, D. C. In spite of Democrats' best efforts to curb the use of fossil fuels, stubborn Americans continue to use them to power their automobiles and heat their homes. Biden is responding to this crisis with an ambitious new plan to raise the price of gas to $100 per gallon by the end of his first 100 days in office to fight global warming.

"Listen-- all these fossil fuels, they got to stop! Got to stop!" Biden said to the Secret Service agent pumping gas into his presidential limo. "We got to do something about these selfish Americans and one-horse kangaroo herders burning all these fuels without consequences. I know consequences. Just ask Corn Pop and his buddies. When I'm done with 'them, these Americans will never burn a gallon of gas again, Jack!

The administration has announced the "Gas Prices To The Mooooon" campaign-- a series of executive orders designed to drive the price of fuel up to make it unattainable to anyone except John Kerry.

When confronted with the question of how Americans will afford to get around with $100-per-gallon gas, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested they stay home and eat some ice cream instead.

Currently, the average price stands at $2.53 per gallon and rising, which experts say is likely Trump's fault. . ."

Humor: [URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.

[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2534030]This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.[/QUOTE][URL]https://babylonbee.com/[/URL] obviously, is a satire news site.

Heart warming divorce lawyer story.

One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the roadside eating grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate.

He asked one man, "Why are you eating grass?" "We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied. "We have to eat grass. " "Well, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you," the lawyer said.

"But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there eating grass under that tree. " "Bring them along," the lawyer replied.

Turning to the second poor man he stated, "You may come with us, also. " The other man, in a pitiful voice, then said, "But sir, I also have a wife and six children with me!" "Bring them all as well," the lawyer answered. They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine. Once under way, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, "Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you. ".

The lawyer replied, "Glad to do it. You'll really love my place. The grass is almost a foot high. ".

Come on, Man! . . . did you really think there was such a thing as a heart-warming lawyer story? Look at Congress -- over 300 Lawyers! Biden is a lawyer and if you are hungry, come on over to his mansion. He has a big lawn with lots of grass that needs trimming! LOL.

"Biden Will Be First Lawyer-President Without a JD From the 'T-14' in a Century" Joe Biden earned his law degree from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968, while Kamala Harris graduated from the University of California Hastings College of the Law in 1989. By Karen Sloan.

January 19,2021 at 04:30 PM.

[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2534030]This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-claim-he-is-presumptive-2024-nominee-leader-of-gop-in-cpac-speech-report[/URL]

And from the comments section. LOL.

"Has he gotten any new material or is this more of a greatest hits tour? Build the wall, drain the swamp, lock her up, stop the steal. Ahhh the classics." KnewRepublic.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2534178][URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-claim-he-is-presumptive-2024-nominee-leader-of-gop-in-cpac-speech-report[/URL]

And from the comments section. LOL.

"Has he gotten any new material or is this more of a greatest hits tour? Build the wall, drain the swamp, lock her up, stop the steal. Ahhh the classics." KnewRepublic.[/QUOTE]Did he get Mexico to pay for the family cages that were installed in Walmarts?

Interesting article about Andrew Cuomo.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56120500[/URL]

"Washington, the. See. —As more and more Americans start wondering where the $2,000 stimulus checks Joe Biden promised are, especially as he's now decided to start meddling in Syria, Biden issued a statement today clarifying that the stimulus checks were "just an idea."

"The stimulus checks, see, they're just an idea," he said, shrugging off claims that the stimulus checks were supposed to be actual checks sent to Americans. "They're more of a metaphor. You might say the real stimulus checks were just the countries we bombed along the way, Jack. The real stimulus checks, ya see, they were inside us all along."

"You there, the grrr-- the girl with the pretty hair," he said, gesturing toward a reporter in the front row. "You're a stimulus check. And you, the guy with the mustache -- you're a stimulus check. In a way, all of us are stimulus checks when we live according to the American values of love, progress, and unity. We can all become the stimulus checks we wish to see in the world."

Biden's statement brought everyone in the room to tears, and Snopes quickly fact-checked his claim that the stimulus checks were never intended to be literal but were always "just an idea" as "double-plus true."

[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-clarifies-that-stimulus-checks-are-just-an-idea[/URL] SATIRE.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2534028]Doesn't really matter what your political opinion is, how you voted, what news shows you watch -- combustion engines are finished. Ten years from now, gas cars will be like film cameras. As far as the price of gas, it absolutely doesn't matter what Biden does, the (near) long term price of oil is only going one way -- that's down.[/QUOTE]Gas cars will still be here 25 years from now. They aren't going anywhere. Most states don't have enough electricity to handle their demand now let alone when half the population switches to electric cars. The electric cars won't be much use without electricity. If they were smart they would switch everything to natural gas. Texas power failure pretty much proved that.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2532706]Natural gas is why Texas is in crisis. All the valves and control systems don't like the cold so the gas doesn't flow! Solar and wind are taking over because they are cheaper irrespective of government policy. Nuclear is just not economic to build at least not in the US. This week Texas showed what poor policy brings you. They don't plan for freezing weather and when they get it they cannot cope. Wind turbines work in frezzing conditions if you put the anti freeze devices on them. Natural gas flows when you use the correct valves and control systems. Republicans fail again and try to blame everyone but their own policy failures. Maybe if they connected to other grids then they could have been helped out by competent operators.[/QUOTE]Natural gas valves don't freeze up in cold. Canada, Alaska and Siberia were all colder than 40 below in the last month and they didn't have any power failures. The fact is wind will not work in ice storms or sever cold weather efficiently. And then when you have a power outage gas generators or hydroelectric produce high power rates quickly after an outage but wind and solar are slow recovering especially with no sun or wind. Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.

What happened in Texas:

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/26/when-power-grids-secede-what-happened-in-texas/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2535717]Natural gas valves don't freeze up in cold. Canada, Alaska and Siberia were all colder than 40 below in the last month and they didn't have any power failures. The fact is wind will not work in ice storms or sever cold weather efficiently. And then when you have a power outage gas generators or hydroelectric produce high power rates quickly after an outage but wind and solar are slow recovering especially with no sun or wind. Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.[/QUOTE]Yes once again what you say is just plain stupid. It pretty easy for anyone who can read to discover that the it was the gas and coal generators that dropped causing the outages just like it was 10 years ago before there were wind and solar generation all over the place. Having spent 5 years in Mongolian winters I know a little about winterising industrial plants. The reality is wind turbines operate in many freezing climates if you spend the money allow them to operate. Just the same as valves don't freeze instruments don't fail and all the other things don't fail if you spend the money to correct the deficiencies that they experience just 10 years ago. But Texans don't like to spend money they like to be deregulated and put up with failure. I think they should be left to freeze in their own stupidity and greed. But we all know they will behave just like Canada and pretend it was the tooth fairy (AOC) that caused their problems rather than their own stupidity. You must be really happy living in the US that has 75 m really stupid people you can fit right in with.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2535747]Yes once again what you say is just plain stupid. It pretty easy for anyone who can read to discover that the it was the gas and coal generators that dropped causing the outages just like it was 10 years ago before there were wind and solar generation all over the place. Having spent 5 years in Mongolian winters I know a little about winterising industrial plants. The reality is wind turbines operate in many freezing climates if you spend the money allow them to operate. Just the same as valves don't freeze instruments don't fail and all the other things don't fail if you spend the money to correct the deficiencies that they experience just 10 years ago. But Texans don't like to spend money they like to be deregulated and put up with failure. I think they should be left to freeze in their own stupidity and greed. But we all know they will behave just like Canada and pretend it was the tooth fairy (AOC) that caused their problems rather than their own stupidity. You must be really happy living in the US that has 75 m really stupid people you can fit right in with.[/QUOTE]Facts from an anti Trump, as national energy Liberal news outlet is not news.

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CNN now calls Trump cages for children Migratory residences because Biden is using them.

If you think frozen wind mills generate energy with no wind and solar generates energy in the dark then you are a good socialist.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536006]If you think frozen wind mills generate energy with no wind and solar generates energy in the dark then you are a good socialist.[/QUOTE]Yep you are a genius, wind turbines don't generate with no wind and solar panels don't operate in the dark. Who would believe this if you hadn't said it. Still it seems every but you and your conservative moron friends still cannot grasp that the Texas power failures was brought on by the lack of gas, coal and nuclear capacity due to the cold causing supply and instrumentation failures. But write some more irrelevant bullshit to deflect from an argument you can't win. But try reading this from the people who regulate the power industry in Texas:

ERCOT says 46,000 megawatts were offline as of Wednesday. There are 70 to 80 power plants offline as of Wednesday, out of 680 across the state. Thermal energy -- natural gas, coal and nuclear -- made up 28,000 of those megawatts while wind and solar made up the other 16,000.

"The ability for gas generators to produce, particularly at full output, was affected by the freezing impact on the natural gas supply," Bill Magness, ERCOT president and CEO, said during a livestream Wednesday. "So getting those resources back is the central solution to getting people their power back. ".

Approximately 40% of generators went offline due to the cold weather. The significant drop in power generated led to rolling blackouts across the state as ERCOT tried to keep a balance between the supply and demand in order to prevent a "catastrophic" blackout. This made the outage last much longer than ERCOT anticipated.

As for prepping power plants for extreme cold to prevent generators from freezing, Dan Woodfin, senior director of system operations for ERCOT, says there are national standards being considered, but they have yet to be mandatory.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2536054]Yep you are a genius, wind turbines don't generate with no wind and solar panels don't operate in the dark. Who would believe this if you hadn't said it. Still it seems every but you and your conservative moron friends still cannot grasp that the Texas power failures was brought on by the lack of gas, coal and nuclear capacity due to the cold causing supply and instrumentation failures. But write some more irrelevant bullshit to deflect from an argument you can't win. But try reading this from the people who regulate the power industry in Texas:

ERCOT says 46,000 megawatts were offline as of Wednesday. There are 70 to 80 power plants offline as of Wednesday, out of 680 across the state. Thermal energy -- natural gas, coal and nuclear -- made up 28,000 of those megawatts while wind and solar made up the other 16,000.

"The ability for gas generators to produce, particularly at full output, was affected by the freezing impact on the natural gas supply," Bill Magness, ERCOT president and CEO, said during a livestream Wednesday. "So getting those resources back is the central solution to getting people their power back. ".

Approximately 40% of generators went offline due to the cold weather. The significant drop in power generated led to rolling blackouts across the state as ERCOT tried to keep a balance between the supply and demand in order to prevent a "catastrophic" blackout. This made the outage last much longer than ERCOT anticipated..[/QUOTE]"Canada" is proof that tRUMPettes only believe what tRUMP and other tRUMPettes tell him.

For years, companies pledged sky-high returns even when oil was as low as $50 a barrel. But those promises were never kept. Over the past decade, shale oil and gas producers burned through more than $300 billion in capital spending above the cash generated from oil revenues, according to Deloitte LLP. That resulted in massive flows of oil but little in the way of financial returns to investors.

"WEST PALM Beach, FL—With many voters around the country disappointed that Biden hasn't given them $2,000 yet, Trump seized the political opportunity to promise that if he's elected in 2024, he will ensure every American receives a stimulus check for $2,001 dollars.

"Sleepy Joe promised a $2,000 stimulus, and where is it?" said Trump in a statement from his Mar-a-Lago resort. "Total disgrace. Too busy bombing people in Syria maybe, who knows! Everyone knows I would do a better job of passing stimulus than Sleepy Joe. I'll even do better! $2,001 dollars! How does that sound?

Biden was so outraged by Trump's taunt that he challenged him to a soda-drinking contest at the local five & dime.

According to experts, the presidential race in 2024 will just be a large auction where candidates outbid each other to buy everyone's votes with printed money. Presidential hopeful AOC set a high bar this morning by tweeting a promise of infinity dollars to every American. . ."

[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-promises-to-give-everyone-2001-dollars-if-hes-elected-president-again[/URL] SATIRE.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2536232]For years, companies pledged sky-high returns even when oil was as low as $50 a barrel. But those promises were never kept. Over the past decade, shale oil and gas producers burned through more than $300 billion in capital spending above the cash generated from oil revenues, according to Deloitte LLP. That resulted in massive flows of oil but little in the way of financial returns to investors.[/QUOTE]You are one of the few investors that did not make money on oil stocks. I bought Exxon in 2001 for $31.90 per share. Since 2001 the share price has been as high as $110 offering investors to cash out at a profit or as I have done just taken the 5-6% dividend every year. Current dividend is 6. 4% which I consider a good return. I bought EOG in 2002 for $10.25 per share and it is $65 today. EOG has paid dividend of 2-4% every year. Bought Conoco Phillips for $20 currently $53 paying 3. 31% dividend. Oil companies have historically paid between 3-6% dividends to shareholder besides their stock prices increasing. I never ever heard major oi companies promising sky high returns Must be a CNN thing. I am sure you are making millions of dollars on the solar and wind industry stocks.

You are correct about one thing. Oil companies have spent billions on investing in USA drilling resulting in USA not being dependent on foreign oil and not having to start wars to protect foreign oil. Consumers have benefited the most with cheap pump prices the last 4 years. But Biden is fixing that. We will kill our oil industry and buy our oil from the Middle East. Already working for Biden. Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office This hurts the low income families the most.

I am sure your news outlets will dispute this and it is Trumps fault that Biden killed the oil industry.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536300]... Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office ...[/QUOTE]You're confusing coincidence with causality. Gasoline is up due to cold weather and refinery shut downs. In fact, the prices of gasoline and oil are not very well correlated. Look at the future pricing for Brent. Most people are predicting $50/ bbl for the next year. Oil is a world commodity and Biden, regardless of what he does will be able to do little to affect the price / bbl.

In your opinion was Trump good for the oil industry? Brent started 2020 strong $60. Then it went down to $9 in April! Did Trump do that? Maybe you're a Canadian and you're aggrieved at the Keystone XL decision? Alberta tar sand oil costs ~$80/ bbl to produce, so that pipeline has been a money losing idea since 2014. Given long term supply and demand trends, I don't think anyone who is not the victim of a political cult, believes (sufficiently to bet their money on it) that heavy crude is ever going $100/ bbl again.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536300]You are one of the few investors that did not make money on oil stocks. I bought Exxon in 2001 for $31.90 per share. Since 2001 the share price has been as high as $110 offering investors to cash out at a profit or as I have done just taken the 5-6% dividend every year. Current dividend is 6. 4% which I consider a good return. I bought EOG in 2002 for $10.25 per share and it is $65 today. EOG has paid dividend of 2-4% every year. Bought Conoco Phillips for $20 currently $53 paying 3. 31% dividend. Oil companies have historically paid between 3-6% dividends to shareholder besides their stock prices increasing. I never ever heard major oi companies promising sky high returns Must be a CNN thing. I am sure you are making millions of dollars on the solar and wind industry stocks.

You are correct about one thing. Oil companies have spent billions on investing in USA drilling resulting in USA not being dependent on foreign oil and not having to start wars to protect foreign oil. Consumers have benefited the most with cheap pump prices the last 4 years. But Biden is fixing that. We will kill our oil industry and buy our oil from the Middle East. Already working for Biden. Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office This hurts the low income families the most..[/QUOTE]I said nothing about my investments. What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? Nothing of what you have said changes the fact that in the past 7 years oil companies are $300 b in the whole for drilling against returns. $300 b of subsidies would go a long way towards lots of shiny solar panels and lots of scenic windmills and at least get to breath clean air.

The estimated cost for remediating and capping abandoned oil and gas wells is $2 trillion dollars. Imagine what the cost would be to pay for that at the pump but Republicans are happy for the ground water contamination, the methane leakages the oil seepages because they will accept any consequences if it saves a buck.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tFgPG26vA&feature=youtu.be[/URL]

Here in Rio, Glenn Greenwald asks the important question of why liberals hate Joe Rogan, who is very liberal.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2536540]I said nothing about my investments. What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? Nothing of what you have said changes the fact that in the past 7 years oil companies are $300 b in the whole for drilling against returns. $300 b of subsidies would go a long way towards lots of shiny solar panels and lots of scenic windmills and at least get to breath clean air.

The estimated cost for remediating and capping abandoned oil and gas wells is $2 trillion dollars. Imagine what the cost would be to pay for that at the pump but Republicans are happy for the ground water contamination, the methane leakages the oil seepages because they will accept any consequences if it saves a buck.[/QUOTE]If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536685]If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.[/QUOTE]In 20152016, the federal government provided $14.7 billion per year to the oil, gas, and coal industries, on top of $5.8 billion of state-level incentives (globally, the figure is around $500 billion!

Republicans keep selling the oil industry as essential to national security.

Hopefully Joe Biden will stop the excessive subsidies those parasite oil companies subsist on.

US is currently on track to shower domestic oil companies with a estimated $20 billion in subsidies this year.

Hopefully smarter minds quit propping up a dying, dinosaur industry that is ruining the planet with unnecessary pollution.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jul/30/america-spends-over-20bn-per-year-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-abolish-them[/URL]#text=A%20 report%20 from%20 Oil%20 Change, figure%20 is%20 around%20%24500 bn).

[QUOTE=Canada;2536685]If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.[/QUOTE]Because Investors change the price they pay for the stock to achieve their desired rate of return. I thought that was obvious to anyone but apparently not to a sophisticated investor such as yourself. Many drillers have gone bankrupt What's the return on Chesapeak energy in the last 5 years? Don't lump refiners and diversified industrials in with drilling.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2536320]You're confusing coincidence with causality. Gasoline is up due to cold weather and refinery shut downs. In fact, the prices of gasoline and oil are not very well correlated. Look at the future pricing for Brent. Most people are predicting $50/ bbl for the next year. Oil is a world commodity and Biden, regardless of what he does will be able to do little to affect the price / bbl.

In your opinion was Trump good for the oil industry? Brent started 2020 strong $60. Then it went down to $9 in April! Did Trump do that? Maybe you're a Canadian and you're aggrieved at the Keystone XL decision? Alberta tar sand oil costs ~$80/ bbl to produce, so that pipeline has been a money losing idea since 2014. Given long term supply and demand trends, I don't think anyone who is not the victim of a political cult, believes (sufficiently to bet their money on it) that heavy crude is ever going $100/ bbl again.[/QUOTE]Even democrats acknowledge that the price of oil dictates the price at the pump. Socialist always want to fabricate their facts to suit their thinking. Gas at the pumps has gone up since Biden took office because oil price increased. Demand will have increase as Biden kills the USA oil industry.

Trump was good for the oil industry and all manufacturing and small business because he got rid of stupid regulations that Obama put in.

It is refreshing to know that all you socialists are getting rid of your gas cars, gas heating and appliances to go all electric. It will be great when flying overseas that none of you are flying on jet fueled aircraft and are waiting for the electric plane and the electric ship to travel. Isn't Fantasyland great.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2536703]In 20152016, the federal government provided $14.7 billion per year to the oil, gas, and coal industries, on top of $5.8 billion of state-level incentives (globally, the figure is around $500 billion!

Republicans keep selling the oil industry as essential to national security.

Hopefully Joe Biden will stop the excessive subsidies those parasite oil companies subsist on.

US is currently on track to shower domestic oil companies with a estimated $20 billion in subsidies this year.

Hopefully smarter minds quit propping up a dying, dinosaur industry that is ruining the planet with unnecessary pollution.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jul/30/america-spends-over-20bn-per-year-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-abolish-them[/URL]#text=A%20 report%20 from%20 Oil%20 Change, figure%20 is%20 around%20%24500 bn).[/QUOTE]Yes if the socialists get their agenda USA Air Force will no longer be using the dying dinosaur jet fuel but will be defending us with the electric fighter jet and wind glider. You and AOC will be able to sell the rest of the world with this new military.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536774]Yes if the socialists get their agenda USA Air Force will no longer be using the dying dinosaur jet fuel but will be defending us with the electric fighter jet and wind glider. You and AOC will be able to sell the rest of the world with this new military.[/QUOTE]So you can only discuss this topic by making silly false assertions that fossil fuel powered fighter jets will be a victim of expanded renewable energy source development.

How silly you seem to think.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2536540]...What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? ...[/QUOTE]Yeah, That.

[QUOTE=Canada;2535717]
Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.[/QUOTE]And you read and listen to all this QAnon BS? In Texas 90% of the energy comes from Oil / Gas. There is only about 10% green Energy! But now they open Texas and no more mask. So maybe this QAnon Idiots kill them self.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2536865]And you read and listen to all this QAnon BS? In Texas 90% of the energy comes from Oil / Gas. There is only about 10% green Energy! But now they open Texas and no more mask. So maybe this QAnon Idiots kill them self.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/24202/texas-energy-mix-by-fuel-type/[/URL]

You look like a fool making false claims.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2536778]So you can only discuss this topic by making silly false assertions that fossil fuel powered fighter jets will be a victim of expanded renewable energy source development.

How silly you seem to think.[/QUOTE]John Kerry, AOC and the socialists plan for USA to get to zero emissions. Zero emissions means not one plane will be flying. Are you saying zero is not zero? Even CNN and MSNBC are touting this. Unbelievable that you didn't hear Kerry speech. He said the world is done if we do not achieve this. USA only puts out 10% of world emissions China and India are building new coal fired power plants. They are easily going to exceed what the USA is reducing. USA is supposed to suffer and ruin their economy so the rest of the word can succeed? Lower income families are already having problems paying their power bills. When they double with renewable energy what happens then? Are you socialists just brain washed Why do the American people have to suffer because of the stupidity of our new government.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536952]John Kerry, AOC and the socialists plan for USA to get to zero emissions. Zero emissions means not one plane will be flying. Are you saying zero is not zero? Even CNN and MSNBC are touting this. Unbelievable that you didn't hear Kerry speech. He said the world is done if we do not achieve this. USA only puts out 10% of world emissions China and India are building new coal fired power plants. They are easily going to exceed what the USA is reducing. USA is supposed to suffer and ruin their economy so the rest of the word can succeed? Lower income families are already having problems paying their power bills. When they double with renewable energy what happens then? Are you socialists just brain washed Why do the American people have to suffer because of the stupidity of our new government.[/QUOTE]This is not what is happening, this is just your personal bullshit.

Movement to greater amounts of clean, renewable energy sources does not mean there will no longer be air flight.

Nobody is stupid enough to believe your silly ranting.

Big oil is getting smaller, but not disappearing.

Boo!

Let's vote for our favorite troll for the Ignoble Prize in Economics. The only US president that has not been thoroughly trashed by our main candidate (not to be mentioned by handle) is Franklin Delano Roosevelt, elected four times. I Suggest a straw poll asking Americans if they would forgo their entitlements (roads, bridges, Medicare, social security, disaster relief and clean water) if zero environmental regulations were promised. If that's the case we honor Chicken Little as our economic guru. Let the free market reign from sea to rising seas.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536952]John Kerry, AOC and the socialists...[/QUOTE]I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2537004]I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?[/QUOTE]Mining operation, transportation of materials, refining materials, and construction of electric cars produces more carbon emissions per car than the cars already on the road. It's better to drive our current cars into the ground. So why the push for green? Control. Kerry knows this. AOC may not.

If you really want to help the environment, ride a bike.

Absentminded Joe Biden Accidentally Mails Stimulus Checks To Defense Contractors Instead Of Americans.

"Washington, DC —Joe Biden is getting on in years. He's no spring chicken anymore. Well, that means that once in a while he has a senior moment, and yesterday was no exception. Biden suddenly realized that he had accidentally mailed nearly a trillion dollars in stimulus money to defense contractors instead of sending the checks to Americans as promised.

"Whoops-a-daisy!" he said, smacking his forehead as he realized his error. "Did I do that? Wow, that was some real malarkey. Hoo boy, I'd forget my head if Jill wasn't around to make sure I kept it screwed onto my shoulders. Oh boy, you really stepped in it this time, Joey boy."

Biden quickly called the defense contractors to get the checks returned, but it was too late, as they had already cashed them, purchased a bunch of bombs, and shipped them over to the Middle East to get dropped on Syria.

"Oh, man. Oh, well. No harm, no foul, I guess! Say, what say you and I meet up at Camp David next weekend to play that video game? The one with the nice Italian fellow? Mario Buggies!

[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/absentminded-joe-biden-accidentally-mails-stimulus-checks-to-defense-contractors-instead-of-americans[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2537004]I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?[/QUOTE]You can take my muscle car by prying off my cold dead fingers. Toss it into the bonfire with all the N95 masks that threaten my masculinity. I'll drive in circles in the next life.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2537026]You can take my muscle car by prying off my cold dead fingers. Toss it into the bonfire with all the N95 masks that threaten my masculinity. I'll drive in circles in the next life.[/QUOTE]What caused you to fry your brain during this lifetime?

[QUOTE=Jckgmn;2537008]Mining operation, transportation of materials, refining materials, and construction of electric cars produces more carbon emissions per car than the cars already on the road. It's better to drive our current cars into the ground. So why the push for green? Control. Kerry knows this. AOC may not.

If you really want to help the environment, ride a bike.[/QUOTE]That may be true but they don't require more than ICE cars to manufacture. Given there are 63 m ICE vehicles manufactured each year it is the ongoing pollution costs of these vehicles that will be eliminated. Its been 25 years since I owned a vehicle though I have often been assigned a work vehicle.

[QUOTE=Canada;2536952]John Kerry, AOC and the socialists plan for USA to get to zero emissions. Zero emissions means not one plane will be flying. Are you saying zero is not zero? Even CNN and MSNBC are touting this. Unbelievable that you didn't hear Kerry speech. He said the world is done if we do not achieve this. USA only puts out 10% of world emissions China and India are building new coal fired power plants. They are easily going to exceed what the USA is reducing. USA is supposed to suffer and ruin their economy so the rest of the word can succeed? Lower income families are already having problems paying their power bills. When they double with renewable energy what happens then? Are you socialists just brain washed Why do the American people have to suffer because of the stupidity of our new government.[/QUOTE]They are claiming zero net emissions. I thought an investment genius such as yourself understands what net means. It means lots of new jobs in installing that cheap renewable power, new transmission lines, charging stations, breathing clean air, all the jobs dismantling obsolete refineries, cleaning up the contaminated sites. The economy will be booming. Don't worry just for you we will throw in a horse to drag around your ICE vehicle. You could even get yourself a gasifier to turn the horseshit into gas so you can start the car to go up steep hills.

[QUOTE=Jckgmn;2537008]Mining operation, transportation of materials, refining materials, and construction of electric cars produces more carbon emissions per car than the cars already on the road. It's better to drive our current cars into the ground.[/QUOTE]JacK: Why does the manufacturing of electric cars produce much more pollution than the manufacturing of gas powered cars?

Remember: Blowing smoke up people's asses pollutes.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2537004]I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?[/QUOTE]The government is going to tell us what kind of vehicles we can drive.

The government is going to tell us how we will heat our homes.

The government will tell us what jobs we will have.

The government will tell us what books we can read.

The government will tell us what to we can watch.

The government will tell us what news is acceptable.

The government will tell us activities we can do.

The government will tell us when we have to wear mask.

The government will tell us what history is acceptable and eliminate any history they don't approve of.

Doesn't this remind you of Hitler and USSR and Chinese Communist party?

Why is it different?

[QUOTE=Canada;2537299]The government is going to tell us what kind of vehicles we can drive.

The government is going to tell us how we will heat our homes.

The government will tell us what jobs we will have.

The government will tell us what books we can read.

The government will tell us what to we can watch.

The government will tell us what news is acceptable.

The government will tell us activities we can do.

The government will tell us when we have to wear mask.

The government will tell us what history is acceptable and eliminate any history they don't approve of.

Doesn't this remind you of Hitler and USSR and Chinese Communist party?

Why is it different?[/QUOTE]What does sending Jackboot thugs to try and overturn legitimate elections remind us of?

What does calling all news fake and only what dear leader says is the truth whether it is an obvious lie or not sound like?

What does gerrymandering and voting restrictions that favour your party sound like?

What does nepotism and cronyism remind us of?

What does quid pro quo, ignoring the emoluments clause and failure to allow the legitimate requests for financial records suggest?

What does the persecution of minorities lead to?

Who requires absolute fealty to dear leader?

Who removes all inspector generals so there is no possibility to investigate improper behaviour?

What does the pandering to one religious faction lead to?

What does the obsession with big military, parades and cozying up to totalitarian regimes lead to?

Yes it all leads to the Republican party, stacked with evangelical nutters, lead by a dear leady mired in corruption, fraud and acts of treason. The last 4 years has been as close to totalitarianism the US has come and it was thankfully soundly rejected by the voters.

But Canada keep worshipping your dear leader and keep praying for the return of his corrupt cesspool.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537299]The government is going to tell us what kind of vehicles we can drive...
[/QUOTE]Did gummint take your film camera?

Biden to avoid public appearances until they're done canceling all the sexual harassers and racists.

"Washington, the. See. —Inside sources say that President Joe Biden is going to avoid all public appearances for a while. This is due to the current climate of increased scrutiny on sexual harassment -- such as with Governor Andrew Cuomo -- and past racism -- as is happening with Dr. Suess books.

"With everyone trying to find people to cancel who have been inappropriate with women or have been racist," said a White House staffer who wished to remain anonymous so people wouldn't know he is associated with a sexual harasser and a racist, "it seems like a good time for Biden to lie low and let people forget about him, just like when he was vice president. ".

This new policy was reflected at the latest White House press conference, where White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki announced at the beginning that she would not take any questions about the president. "Let's talk about something else today," she said. "Anyone seen any good TV shows?

Biden is reportedly just hanging out quietly in the White House, eating ice cream and napping and hoping President Trump makes some noise so maybe people will talk about him. He will start making public appearances again as soon as it's once more okay to harass women and make casually racist remarks -- or at least okay for a Democrat. . . ".

[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-to-avoid-public-appearances-until-theyre-done-canceling-all-the-sexual-harassers-and-racists[/URL] SATIRE.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2537320]What does sending Jackboot thugs to try and overturn legitimate elections remind us of?

What does calling all news fake and only what dear leader says is the truth whether it is an obvious lie or not sound like?

What does gerrymandering and voting restrictions that favour your party sound like?

What does nepotism and cronyism remind us of?

What does quid pro quo, ignoring the emoluments clause and failure to allow the legitimate requests for financial records suggest?

What does the persecution of minorities lead to?

Who requires absolute fealty to dear leader?

Who removes all inspector generals so there is no possibility to investigate improper behaviour?

What does the pandering to one religious faction lead to?

What does the obsession with big military, parades and cozying up to totalitarian regimes lead to?

Yes it all leads to the Republican party, stacked with evangelical nutters, lead by a dear leady mired in corruption, fraud and acts of treason. The last 4 years has been as close to totalitarianism the US has come and it was thankfully soundly rejected by the voters.

But Canada keep worshipping your dear leader and keep praying for the return of his corrupt cesspool.[/QUOTE]Are you saying this isn't happening? We aren't talking about Trump anymore None of the above has anything to do with Trump Why is it you socialists avoid any questions on what your president and your government House and Senate is doing Why can't you answer the question? Do you think if you ignore it it will go away? Or possibly you agree to be controlled by the government. Everytime you are asked to explain a socialistic item you can only run down Trump and avoid the question. I didn't even mention the Biden corruption but I am sure you are avoiding that question too Do you really think Dr Seuess is racist?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2537320]What does gerrymandering and voting restrictions that favour your party sound like?
What does the persecution of minorities lead to?
What does the pandering to one religious faction lead to?
Yes it all leads to the Republican party, stacked with evangelical nutters.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Canada;2537433]None of the above has anything to do with Trump [/QUOTE]Yes, but these three things pulled out from GDream's lengthy post existed long before Trumpmshit became a Republican and are being worked hard now in TS's absence.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537433]Do you really think Dr Seuess is racist?[/QUOTE]Dr. Seuss was born in 1904 and died around 30 years ago. He was from an earlier era.

His heirs publish his books and decided to drop 6 titles in order to best preserve the value and marketability of the rest of the catalog. They made the decision a year ago, but announced it just this week.

It seemed more of a business decision than a political one. Racist themes may be bad for mass market sales forums.

His writings remain popular, earning an estimated $33 million before taxes in 2020, ranking his estate at #2 in dead celebrity earnings behind only Michael Jackson.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537299]The government will tell us what to we can watch.[/QUOTE]The Canadian government apparently has not done enough for you.

Didn't teach you how to write.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2537320]What does sending Jackboot thugs to try and overturn legitimate elections remind us of?

What does calling all news fake and only what dear leader says is the truth whether it is an obvious lie or not sound like?

What does gerrymandering and voting restrictions that favour your party sound like?

What does nepotism and cronyism remind us of?

What does quid pro quo, ignoring the emoluments clause and failure to allow the legitimate requests for financial records suggest?

What does the persecution of minorities lead to?

Who requires absolute fealty to dear leader?

Who removes all inspector generals so there is no possibility to investigate improper behaviour?

What does the pandering to one religious faction lead to?[/QUOTE]Beautifully stated amigo. Since Canada is so fond of creating bullet points, it's nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine, and in a most forceful way indeed.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537299]

[b]Doesn't this remind you of Hitler and USSR and Chinese Communist party?[/b]

Why is it different?[/QUOTE]1. No.

2. Only a demagogue with zero knowledge of world history can utter something that stupid. That's why.

The US hasn't thrown people into ovens. The US has not killed tens of millions or sent them to GULAG. The US hasn't done anything resembling the Cultural Revolution.

Not even under Trump.

However, if things ever did come to anything like that, that would happen under someone like Trump. Like GDreams put it rightly: "The last 4 years has been as close to totalitarianism the US has come. ".

And seeing how millions of his brainwashed followers continue worshipping the ground this conman walks on, one wonders if it was just a rehearsal and totalitarianism might come back with a vengeance one day.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537433]Are you saying this isn't happening? We aren't talking about Trump anymore None of the above has anything to do with Trump Why is it you socialists avoid any questions on what your president and your government House and Senate is doing Why can't you answer the question? Do you think if you ignore it it will go away? Or possibly you agree to be controlled by the government. Everytime you are asked to explain a socialistic item you can only run down Trump and avoid the question. I didn't even mention the Biden corruption but I am sure you are avoiding that question too Do you really think Dr Seuess is racist?[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you are talking about. My post was certainly about Trump and his sheep. But assuming you are discussing the drivel you wrote I will once again set you straight as I always do with your misguided and factually incorrect statements.

1. I am not a socialist by any definition, nor am I a communist. There a certain services that governments more effectively provide than private enterprise. Private enterprise certainly needs to be regulated and taxed.

2. I have never read Dr Seuss and don't care if he was a racist as it does not affect me. I do understand that the people managing his legacy made a business decision to remove a selection of his books from publication. It is their business decision but I'm sure if you are desperate to read them there will be some collectors market or file sharing source where you can get for kiddy thrills for the day.

3. The government is going to tell us what kind of vehicles we can drive. Yes the Government works for the social good of all. They will make emissions regulations, provide subsidies, adjust taxes and duties to achieve an outcome. Within that you will have a vast array of choice of vehicle and manufacturer so no they won't tell you what vehicle you can drive, just that it complies with the laws at the time.

4. The government is going to tell us how we will heat our homes. Yes the Government works for the social good of all. They will make emissions regulations, provide subsidies, adjust taxes and duties to achieve an outcome. Within that you will have a vast array of choice of electric, heat pumps, insulation, clothing etc to keep warm.

5. The government will tell us what jobs we will have. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances.

6. The government will tell us what books we can read. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances. There are always some things that are restricted such as adult content or censored but that is very rare.

7. The government will tell us what to we can watch. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances. There are always some things that are restricted such as adult content or censored but that is very rare.

8. The government will tell us what news is acceptable. Didn't Trump do this? Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances.

9. The government will tell us activities we can do. Such as?

10. The government will tell us when we have to wear mask. Yes if it is for the general good.

11. The government will tell us what history is acceptable and eliminate any history they don't approve of. Well that has existed since the beginning of time. The victor gets to write the history.

Do you have some sort of mental problem that you are in a constant state off stress about stuff that is not really happening? Well maybe for the last 4 years when dear leader was in power but now rational competent people are in power. Chill and be happy that the world is moving to a better place.

The truth is simple, the libtards on this site are brainwashed. Everything they accuse Trump and the Republicans of are what themselves are guilty of.

Pelosi was fully aware that Republican politicians had been shot by one of her fans when she tried to trigger a new terror attack by branding Republicans "domestic enemies."

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2537447]The Canadian government apparently has not done enough for you.

Didn't teach you how to write.[/QUOTE]Canadians clearly have harder hitting matters of their own to manage. They should deal with their own "difficult issues" before attempting to weigh in on other matters of international importance LOL!

[URL]https://www.today.com/food/why-canadian-butter-not-softening-buttergate-controversy-goes-viral-t210119[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2537530]1. No.

2. Only a demagogue with zero knowledge of world history can utter something that stupid. That's why.

The US hasn't thrown people into ovens. The US has not killed tens of millions or sent them to GULAG. The US hasn't done anything resembling the Cultural Revolution.

Not even under Trump.

However, if things ever did come to anything like that, that would happen under someone like Trump. Like GDreams put it rightly: "The last 4 years has been as close to totalitarianism the US has come. ".

And seeing how millions of his brainwashed followers continue worshipping the ground this conman walks on, one wonders if it was just a rehearsal and totalitarianism might come back with a vengeance one day.[/QUOTE]If you want to see true totalitarianism you don't need to look any further than the blue states and how they took away people's freedoms.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537433]Are you saying this isn't happening? We aren't talking about Trump anymore None of the above has anything to do with Trump Why is it you socialists avoid any questions on what your president and your government House and Senate is doing Why can't you answer the question? Do you think if you ignore it it will go away? Or possibly you agree to be controlled by the government. Everytime you are asked to explain a socialistic item you can only run down Trump and avoid the question. I didn't even mention the Biden corruption but I am sure you are avoiding that question too Do you really think Dr Seuess is racist?[/QUOTE]What does sending Jackboot thugs to try and overturn legitimate elections remind us of? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

What does calling all news fake and only what dear leader says is the truth whether it is an obvious lie or not sound like? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

What does nepotism and cronyism remind us of? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

What does quid pro quo, ignoring the emoluments clause and failure to allow the legitimate requests for financial records suggest? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

Who requires absolute fealty to dear leader? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

Who removes all inspector generals so there is no possibility to investigate improper behaviour? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

What does the pandering to one religious faction lead to? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

What does the obsession with big military, parades and cozying up to totalitarian regimes lead to? Absolutely Donnie the Dumbass.

It all absolutely happened. And Donnie the Dumbass did it.

Only a complete idiot would say that these things didn't happen in Donnie the Dumbass' 4 year term.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2537533]I have no idea what you are talking about. My post was certainly about Trump and his sheep. But assuming you are discussing the drivel you wrote I will once again set you straight as I always do with your misguided and factually incorrect statements.

1. I am not a socialist by any definition, nor am I a communist. There a certain services that governments more effectively provide than private enterprise. Private enterprise certainly needs to be regulated and taxed.

2. I have never read Dr Seuss and don't care if he was a racist as it does not affect me. I do understand that the people managing his legacy made a business decision to remove a selection of his books from publication. It is their business decision but I'm sure if you are desperate to read them there will be some collectors market or file sharing source where you can get for kiddy thrills for the day.

3. The government is going to tell us what kind of vehicles we can drive. Yes the Government works for the social good of all. They will make emissions regulations, provide subsidies, adjust taxes and duties to achieve an outcome. Within that you will have a vast array of choice of vehicle and manufacturer so no they won't tell you what vehicle you can drive, just that it complies with the laws at the time.

4. The government is going to tell us how we will heat our homes. Yes the Government works for the social good of all. They will make emissions regulations, provide subsidies, adjust taxes and duties to achieve an outcome. Within that you will have a vast array of choice of electric, heat pumps, insulation, clothing etc to keep warm.

5. The government will tell us what jobs we will have. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances.

6. The government will tell us what books we can read. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances. There are always some things that are restricted such as adult content or censored but that is very rare.

7. The government will tell us what to we can watch. Noone is making any proposals to do this. Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances. There are always some things that are restricted such as adult content or censored but that is very rare.

8. The government will tell us what news is acceptable. Didn't Trump do this? Just you making stuff up to argue about non existent grievances.

9. The government will tell us activities we can do. Such as?

10. The government will tell us when we have to wear mask. Yes if it is for the general good.

11. The government will tell us what history is acceptable and eliminate any history they don't approve of. Well that has existed since the beginning of time. The victor gets to write the history.

Do you have some sort of mental problem that you are in a constant state off stress about stuff that is not really happening? Well maybe for the last 4 years when dear leader was in power but now rational competent people are in power. Chill and be happy that the world is moving to a better place.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your post. The government decides what is good for the people not the people deciding. You just verified communism. Thank you for agreeing with me.

Washington, DC —The Biden Administration has committed to defeating Alzheimer's Disease through cutting-edge research. Unfortunately, the White House staff was thrown into turmoil today after Biden completely forgot who he placed in charge of it.

"Listen, folks," Biden reportedly said during a morning meeting. "The fight against Alzheimer's is important. There's no reason we can't defeat this disease by 2003. I know President Nixon is going to fight me on this, but I'll stop at nothing to defeat polio before France invades!

According to sources, Biden then scanned the crowd, trying to remember who he had placed in charge of the effort.

"Jen? Hi there, sweetheart. How's the research comin'? Oops! Haha, I'm just kidding," said Biden, desperately searching the faces of the staff. "Bruce? Tammy? Nina? Oops! Haha, that was a joke, folks. Welp, my stories are on the TV. Let's take a break. ".

The staff desperately looked around for any kind of document that would indicate who Biden had placed in charge of Alzheimer's research. Sadly, their search came up empty since Biden had forgotten to appoint anyone to begin with.

[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/chaos-after-biden-forgets-who-he-put-in-charge-of-alzheimer-research[/URL] SATIRE.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537661]Thank you for your post. The government decides what is good for the people[/QUOTE]As expected, you are getting more liberal as you get educated. Good for you Canada.

Sleepy Joe is President. Harris is Veep. Democrats have an edge in House and Senate. Notice I did not use the word "control" as many maneuvers can be used for obstruction. The trolls here are invited to return in January 2023 if their crew has a edge. Until then we wait for the possible end of the filibuster. The rich are the bosses, The poor and middle class, the slaves. All this talk of evil communism is just that, idle talk. The rich are capitalists. They will perpetuate the system set up to benefit them alone. Trickle down is at a trickle. The country has but one religion. That is capitalism. Dwight Eisenhower warned us.

Great post. Spot on!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2537742]Sleepy Joe is President. Harris is Veep. Democrats have an edge in House and Senate. Notice I did not use the word "control" as many maneuvers can be used for obstruction. The trolls here are invited to return in January 2023 if their crew has a edge. Until then we wait for the possible end of the filibuster. The rich are the bosses, The poor and middle class, the slaves. All this talk of evil communism is just that, idle talk. The rich are capitalists. They will perpetuate the system set up to benefit them alone. Trickle down is at a trickle. The country has but one religion. That is capitalism. Dwight Eisenhower warned us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2537615]If you want to see true totalitarianism you don't need to look any further than the blue states and how they took away people's freedoms.[/QUOTE]You just utter words that you don't understand.

"True totalitarianism," as you put it, murders and jails dissidents. Show me one blue state that does that. I live in the bluest of all blue states (NY). I'm unaware of any freedoms that "have been taken away" from me.

Just the fact you're allowed to run your mouth the way you do, makes this ridiculous claim a complete BS.

What you're whining about isn't totalitarianism. You're insulting memories of millions of victims of totalitarian regimes across the globe by misusing and abusing this word.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2537898]You just utter words that you don't understand.

"True totalitarianism," as you put it, murders and jails dissidents. Show me one blue state that does that. I live in the bluest of all blue states (NY). I'm unaware of any freedoms that "have been taken away" from me.

Just the fact you're allowed to run your mouth the way you do, makes this ridiculous claim a complete BS.

What you're whining about isn't totalitarianism. You're insulting memories of millions of victims of totalitarian regimes across the globe by misusing and abusing this word.[/QUOTE]I'm laughing at your ignorance and attempts of gaslighting.

You really should think before you speak. You obviously don't know what totalitarianism is, you shouldn't use words if you don't understand what they mean. You're absolutely 100% wrong.

[URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/totalitarianism[/URL]

Trump and the Republicans are much more liberal than the Democrats. Cuomo and Newsom are two examples of self corrupt, totalitarian leaders. Cuomo sexually abuses women less than half his age and Newsom is having dinner parties at the French Laundry while the people's suffering because of his totalitarian and highly invasive orders. They are an echo of the Communist party in Soviet.

Democrat's please tell me how proud of Joe you are. I'll wait where you at Paulie? Have you removed your head from your ass or is it still Trumps fault?

[QUOTE=Beavis;2537961]Democrat's please tell me how proud of Joe you are. I'll wait where you at Paulie? Have you removed your head from your ass or is it still Trumps fault?[/QUOTE]Too many San Miguels on a Friday night Beavis? You lost this one. Keep crying in your beer. You'll get another shot in 2024.

[QUOTE=Canada;2537661]Thank you for your post. The government decides what is good for the people not the people deciding. You just verified communism. Thank you for agreeing with me.[/QUOTE]I did not agree with you at all. You still are clueless about what is communism but for someone who thinks Trump is a saint and what he did was anything other than preparing for a fascist state it is not difficult to understand why you are so confused.

Democrats are implementing policies that they campaigned on. They were elected to majorities in every branch. That is called democracy. If you are so confused by this that you cannot distinguish democracy in action with communism that has never existed then maybe check yourself back into school and get a proper education.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2538151]Democrats are implementing policies that they campaigned on. They were elected to majorities in every branch. That is called democracy. If you are so confused by this that you cannot distinguish democracy in action with communism that has never existed then maybe check yourself back into school and get a proper education.[/QUOTE]Just because he created the user name "Canada" and says he is in the US doesn't mean that he is. He's probably holed up in some place like Sweden and has never been to either country.

Yea in four years the Repubs lost it all, the Congress, the WH, then the Senate. Wow. The Dems are putting through the policies that the people asked for. If Repubs want more power then they need to sell their ideas. However voter suppression thus far has been the preferred tactic. Sad, unAmerican, and reminiscent of an ugly past as much of it targets minorities.

[URL]https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/republicans-are-taking-their-voter-suppression-efforts-to-new-extremes/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2538151]I did not agree with you at all. You still are clueless about what is communism but for someone who thinks Trump is a saint and what he did was anything other than preparing for a fascist state it is not difficult to understand why you are so confused.

Democrats are implementing policies that they campaigned on. They were elected to majorities in every branch. That is called democracy. If you are so confused by this that you cannot distinguish democracy in action with communism that has never existed then maybe check yourself back into school and get a proper education.[/QUOTE]Someone really needs to get back to school, to claim that communism never existed is a laughable lie.

The Democrats are the true fascists, just look at the lockdowns and how big tech are censoring people who don't adhere to Marxism.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2538151]I did not agree with you at all. You still are clueless about what is communism but for someone who thinks Trump is a saint and what he did was anything other than preparing for a fascist state it is not difficult to understand why you are so confused.

Democrats are implementing policies that they campaigned on. They were elected to majorities in every branch. That is called democracy. If you are so confused by this that you cannot distinguish democracy in action with communism that has never existed then maybe check yourself back into school and get a proper education.[/QUOTE]Here is definition of communism from dictionary:

Communism: See synonyms for communism on [URL]Thesaurus.com[/URL].

Noun.

A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

(often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

(initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist Party.

Democrats preach equality just like Communism. Trump wasn't a saint but he did not hate the USA and did not think that all USA citizens were racist. He didn't try to eliminate free speech, erase history and cancel culture like democrats or socialists. Democracy is not a one party system that decides everything like the immigration and stimulus. Democracy is free speech and free enterprise. Communism is not.

Maybe I don't have a proper Liberal education but I was smart enough to have over 15 companies, employed over 2000 people in the USA and Canada and did business in former Soviet Union and China. With your proper education you think Communism never existed please travel to Russia or China and talk to some of the people there.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538676]Here is definition of communism from dictionary:

Communism: See synonyms for communism on [URL]Thesaurus.com[/URL].
a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
Democrats preach equality just like Communism.[/QUOTE]This Communism you're referencing has been relegated to the dustbin of history decades' ago. Don't waste your efforts forecasting it's resurrection. Whatever superficial similarities the US Democrat Party has to historical Communism is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538676]Here is definition of communism from dictionary:

Communism: See synonyms for communism on [URL]Thesaurus.com[/URL].

Noun.

A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

(often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

(initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist Party.

Democrats preach equality just like Communism. Trump wasn't a saint but he did not hate the USA and did not think that all USA citizens were racist. He didn't try to eliminate free speech, erase history and cancel culture like democrats or socialists. Democracy is not a one party system that decides everything like the immigration and stimulus. Democracy is free speech and free enterprise. Communism is not..[/QUOTE]Y[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Trump lost the presidency, senate and house so not only was he not a saint he was a huge loser. Democrats are implementing the policies that they campaigned on. Democracy in action. All you so called grievances are just your right wing whining about religious freedom, the fact your capitalist model has automated or exported your jobs out of existence, the fact that you claim to be a successful businessman but can't support normal people getting a living wage, access to basic healthcare, freedom not to be murdered by police, freedom to have control of their own bodies.

I married a Ukrainian, lived there for 3 years, lived in Kazakhstan for 1 year, Mongolia for 5 years and visited China at least 30 times so I know a bit about these countries.

Trump lost the presidency, senate and house so not only was he not a saint he was a huge loser. Democrats are implementing the policies that they campaigned on. Democracy in action. All you so called grievances are just your right wing whining about religious freedom, the fact your capitalist model has automated or exported your jobs out of existence, the fact that you claim to be a successful businessman but can't support normal people getting a living wage, access to basic healthcare, freedom not to be murdered by police, freedom to have control of their own bodies.

I married a Ukrainian, lived there for 3 years, lived in Kazakhstan for 1 year, Mongolia for 5 years and visited China at least 30 times so I know a bit about these countries.

Why do you guys keep talking about Trump. We are disgusted about Biden and his socialists party killing the industry in USA. Everyone of my employees made a great wage and had health insurance. Why can't people just work and buy private insurance? Why does the government need to try to employ everyone and supply health insurance. Insurance was high but sky rocketed after the government got involved with Obama Care. If democrats really care about the citizens of USA they wouldn't open up the borders to bring cheap unskilled labor to take away jobs from Americans. The stimulus plan would give poor families in USA more money instead of giving it to illegals. In less than 2 months Biden has killed several domestic industries, added regulations to hurt small business, increased pump prices, created a crises at the border, bailed out poorly run democratic states and all these things hurt the poorest people in USA. And obviously you agree with this and when confronted with the facts you just start talking about Trump and ignore mess we are in.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]Why can't people just work and buy private insurance? [/QUOTE]Before Obamacare many people purchased health insurance that was structured to give the sale-pitch perception of providing the funding for heath care needs when in reality they provided poor coverage.

Many people who wound up with serious disease, like cancer, failed to get adequate care due to inadequate policy limits.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]If democrats really care about the citizens of USA they wouldn't open up the borders to bring cheap unskilled labor to take away jobs from Americans.[/QUOTE]This is just a lie falsely claiming that President Biden opened up the borders.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]The stimulus plan would give poor families in USA more money instead of giving it to illegals..[/QUOTE]Hunh?

More jibberish Canada?

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]bailed out poorly run democratic states.[/QUOTE]Thank god. Who needs preventable municipal and state bankruptcies?

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]T...In less than 2 months Biden has killed several domestic industries...[/QUOTE]Which ones?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2538870]Which ones?[/QUOTE]Which industry? Oil industry, mining industry, manufacturing industry, trucking industry plus all the small business that supports these.

Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans.

Do you really believe thousands of cheap unskilled labor coming in from South America helps Americans and American jobs?

Do you really believe we need to open our borders to drug smugglers and human traffickers?

Do you really believe this helps the poor in USA?

The majority of these people will be on some sort of government assistance immediately. Do you really believe this helps our citizens get cheaper health insurance and out of poverty?

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]Why do you guys keep talking about Trump. We are disgusted about Biden and his socialists party killing the industry in USA. Everyone of my employees made a great wage and had health insurance. Why can't people just work and buy private insurance? Why does the government need to try to employ everyone and supply health insurance. Insurance was high but sky rocketed after the government got involved with Obama Care. If democrats really care about the citizens of USA they wouldn't open up the borders to bring cheap unskilled labor to take away jobs from Americans. The stimulus plan would give poor families in USA more money instead of giving it to illegals. In less than 2 months Biden has killed several domestic industries, added regulations to hurt small business, increased pump prices, created a crises at the border, bailed out poorly run democratic states and all these things hurt the poorest people in USA. And obviously you agree with this and when confronted with the facts you just start talking about Trump and ignore mess we are in.[/QUOTE]You brought up Trump. I just responded. If you don't like it stop talking about him.

Biden has been in power less than 2 months. 1 piece of legislation has passed the Senate, not even landed on Biden's desk so how could he have killed any industry? You are correct, health costs are too high. There are many examples around the world where good healthcare is delivered to all the people for a much lower cost. Pretty much all leading nations have a mix of public and private options that deliver much better outcomes. The illegal immigrant problem is simple to solve, I have raised it before, put punitive fines on people and company executives that employ illegals. If the potential cost of those fines or even jail sentences doesn't deter them being employed then nothing will. Pump prices? What has that to do with Biden? They are market rates.

I'm still waiting for you to spell out how implementing the policies that you campaigned on is anything but democracy? Who was it that attempted a coup on Jan 6th trying to overturn the legitimate election results?

North American Trade Agreement, 1994, signed by USA (George Bush) Canada, and Mexico. After Nafta Reboot under the former social media influencer auto companies raised salaries to conform to the $14 minimum wage, passing costs ($470-$2,000 per vehicle) to US consumers. Drugs in major quantities cross over by truck, ship, and airplane, not in backpacks of desperate people fleeing violence and famine in Hondouras, El Salvador, Guatemala dot dot dot. Centuries of coups and dirty tricks fomented by the USA has led to this ongoing tragedy. Weapons were airlifted from Mina, Arkansas (Bill Clinton, Governor) to the Contras In Honduras. Cocaine returned in the planes to be distributed through the US southwest.

I suggest reading the US Constitution before positing erroneous information about democracy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538876]...
Do you really believe we need to open our borders to drug smugglers and human traffickers?...
[/QUOTE]Have you heard of the "strawman" fallacy?

My point was that for all your hysteria about oil, gas, mining, etc, they still seem to be operating. One of the things I hope the Biden administration will regulate more closely are the extractive industries on public lands. Trump enabled his cronies to profit off the extraction of oil, gas, coal, lead, timber from my land. He let them drill, strip mine, clear cut from my land. They have drilled, cut down and extracted more than their share. The rest is ours and we want it left there.

It's incredible that people here can actually defend obamacare. Anybody that's supposedly been to Latin America or Asia among other places ought to know you can just walk into a clinic (a doctor's office) and get the care you need on the spot for less than the cost of a copay in the Greatest Country in the World. I got an x-ray in Rio last winter for $14. Compare that to the aggravation you have to go thru in The Geatest Country in the World.

Why arguing Biden when, like W. Bush, he doesn't and will never run the show.

The country went through a real Coup, live, and applauded.

The DNC mafia took over, brace for war.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2538883]You brought up Trump. I just responded. If you don't like it stop talking about him.

Biden has been in power less than 2 months. 1 piece of legislation has passed the Senate, not even landed on Biden's desk so how could he have killed any industry? You are correct, health costs are too high. There are many examples around the world where good healthcare is delivered to all the people for a much lower cost. Pretty much all leading nations have a mix of public and private options that deliver much better outcomes. The illegal immigrant problem is simple to solve, I have raised it before, put punitive fines on people and company executives that employ illegals. If the potential cost of those fines or even jail sentences doesn't deter them being employed then nothing will. Pump prices? What has that to do with Biden? They are market rates.

I'm still waiting for you to spell out how implementing the policies that you campaigned on is anything but democracy? Who was it that attempted a coup on Jan 6th trying to overturn the legitimate election results?[/QUOTE]You are correct. Congress only passed one thing but Biden 47 Executive Orders in the first 30 days is what did all the damage to business.

Biden wants to give citizenship to all the illegals. How is fining business going to work if all the unskilled labor become citizens. These people will work for cash for far less than citizens currently here. The government is never going to fine the business for hiring illegals. They are going to get stimulus money and government benefits. Lots of these illegals will be selling drugs on the street. Obviously you support open borders because Biden campaigned on that. You are fine with drugs coming in and human trafficking. You support non citizens taking jobs from Americans. I have not seen one of you socialists disagree with Biden administration on this. This hurts the poor in USA the most because skilled labor doesn't have to compete against the current illegals.

Name one place that socialized insurance works. Why do you think so many Canadians come to USA for their medical needs.

Everyone can believe what they want but I believe in protecting our borders and citizens like almost every other country in the world. Obviously democrats disagree. Your choice.

I believe in free enterprise system not free stuff from the government that us working people pay for. Obviously democrats disagree.

I believe free speech is for everyone not just democrats. Obviously democrats disagree.

The working people in USA deserve better. Unfortunately the democrats disagree.

There is a crisis on the south border now. Less than 2 months after Biden took office. Who is to blame? Ask the democrats and they will all say Trump. What a joke.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2538902]Have you heard of the "strawman" fallacy?

My point was that for all your hysteria about oil, gas, mining, etc, they still seem to be operating. One of the things I hope the Biden administration will regulate more closely are the extractive industries on public lands. Trump enabled his cronies to profit off the extraction of oil, gas, coal, lead, timber from my land. He let them drill, strip mine, clear cut from my land. They have drilled, cut down and extracted more than their share. The rest is ours and we want it left there.[/QUOTE]It is obvious you know nothing about these industries so it is impossible to have a legit discussion with you. This is a typical democrat claiming the lands are his not all the American peoples. You are a joke.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2538867]Before Obamacare many people purchased health insurance that was structured to give the sale-pitch perception of providing the funding for heath care needs when in reality they provided poor coverage.

Many people who wound up with serious disease, like cancer, failed to get adequate care due to inadequate policy limits.

This is just a lie falsely claiming that President Biden opened up the borders.

Hunh?

More jibberish Canada?

Thank god. Who needs preventable municipal and state bankruptcies?[/QUOTE]I am falsely claiming Biden opened the borders. Are you crazy? Are you blaming Trump? Why is there a crises at the border after 2 months of Biden reversing all Trump and congress border laws by executive order not by congress. I ask then who is telling Biden to make those executive orders so we know who to blame. WHO?

[QUOTE=Canada;2538988]You are correct. Congress only passed one thing but Biden 47 Executive Orders in the first 30 days is what did all the damage to business. [/QUOTE]Name one impact other than Keystone?

[QUOTE=Canada;2538988]Biden wants to give citizenship to all the illegals. How is fining business going to work if all the unskilled labor become citizens. These people will work for cash for far less than citizens currently here. The government is never going to fine the business for hiring illegals. They are going to get stimulus money and government benefits. Lots of these illegals will be selling drugs on the street. Obviously you support open borders because Biden campaigned on that. You are fine with drugs coming in and human trafficking. You support non citizens taking jobs from Americans. I have not seen one of you socialists disagree with Biden administration on this. This hurts the poor in USA the most because skilled labor doesn't have to compete against the current illegals. [/QUOTE]No Biden wants to provide these people with a path to citizenship. The are criteria to be applied so that undesirables do not qualify. These people are already in the country many actually providing a benefit to the economy working in jobs that americans will not do. The Government will not implement fines because too many people and businesses profit from this cheap labour. Not really much different to modern day slavery! Of course you prefer taxpayer dollars to go to further victimizing these people rather than punishing the perpetrators and using those funds to pay the policing. They do not qualify for stimulus cheques. What percentage of street drug dealers are illegals? Give us an actual number? The borders are not open to illegal immigrants. Yes you are finally getting it that the American people voted for Biden to carry out his campaign promises. These people are not competing against skilled labour they are doing jobs that Americans will not do. Many business get in seasonal workers on visas to do jobs that would otherwise not be filled. This is all simple supply and demand stuff, I'm surprised that such an accomplished businessman such as yourself doesn't understand this.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538988]Name one place that socialized insurance works. Why do you think so many Canadians come to USA for their medical needs.[/QUOTE]It works well in the UK, my daughters live there and are very happy with it, my sister and her family live in Canada and they are happy with it, so while you say they are not happy with it once again its just your opinion not a fact. My son lives in Australia, he likes the system there. Most of Europe has similar systems that they are satisfied with.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538988]Everyone can believe what they want but I believe in protecting our borders and citizens like almost every other country in the world. Obviously democrats disagree. Your choice.

I believe in free enterprise system not free stuff from the government that us working people pay for. Obviously democrats disagree.

I believe free speech is for everyone not just democrats. Obviously democrats disagree.

The working people in USA deserve better. Unfortunately the democrats disagree.

There is a crisis on the south border now. Less than 2 months after Biden took office. Who is to blame? Ask the democrats and they will all say Trump. What a joke.[/QUOTE]You say all this stuff but but you behave the opposite. The majority (remember that democracy thingy you don't like) voted in Democrats. You are obviously aggrieved that the people who you like are not in power. If you believed in democracy then you would support the will of the people. If you believed in democracy you would be speaking up about the gerrymandering and voter suppression being carried out by the Republicans. Maybe if Republicans did a bit more to help the people than line their own pockets they would not be in opposition.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538991]It is obvious you know nothing about these industries so it is impossible to have a legit discussion with you. This is a typical democrat claiming the lands are his not all the American peoples. You are a joke.[/QUOTE]You are clearly also familiar with the ad hominem rhetorical fallacy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538993]I am falsely claiming Biden opened the borders. Are you crazy? Are you blaming Trump? Why is there a crises at the border after 2 months of Biden reversing all Trump and congress border laws by executive order not by congress. I ask then who is telling Biden to make those executive orders so we know who to blame. WHO?[/QUOTE]The border is not open.

You are talking silly.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2539033]You are clearly also familiar with the ad hominem rhetorical fallacy.[/QUOTE]Monger forums for whatever reason are an endless sea of logical fallacies. Straw men are probably the favorites, followed by the ever faithful ad nauseams / proofs by repetition, then non-sequiturs. There's also plenty of burden shifting and false dilemmas. These are usually done unknowingly, and after the second or third offense it well demonstrates that they've lost the argument. But guys like Canada will never yield nor will they ever go away. That's because they have nothing else on their calendar.

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President Joe Biden got 7 million more votes than his largest, shittiest opponent.

Yet 147 congressional Republicans voted to overturn the election results.

Some polls are showing around 70% of Americans are in favor of Covid-19 relief legislation.

Yet not one congressional Republican voted in favor of Covid relief.

In a representative government, those elected officials that fail to represent their constituents, often fail to stay in office.

See what's happening to the GOP who lost the White House and both houses of congress?

I hope the fools stay the course and lock in their losses. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Canada;2538861]We are disgusted about Biden and his socialists party killing the industry in USA.
In less than 2 months Biden has killed several domestic industries,.,.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JohnClayton;2538870]Which ones?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Canada;2538876]Which industry? Oil industry, mining industry, manufacturing industry, trucking industry plus all the small business that supports these.[/QUOTE]Your list is neither correct, nor several.

But you are a candidate for Drama Queen of the month with the silly, false exclamation that "Biden has killed several domestic industries".

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539021]Name one impact other than Keystone?

No Biden wants to provide these people with a path to citizenship. The are criteria to be applied so that undesirables do not qualify. These people are already in the country many actually providing a benefit to the economy working in jobs that americans will not do. The Government will not implement fines because too many people and businesses profit from this cheap labour. Not really much different to modern day slavery! Of course you prefer taxpayer dollars to go to further victimizing these people rather than punishing the perpetrators and using those funds to pay the policing. They do not qualify for stimulus cheques. What percentage of street drug dealers are illegals? Give us an actual number? The borders are not open to illegal immigrants. Yes you are finally getting it that the American people voted for Biden to carry out his campaign promises. These people are not competing against skilled labour they are doing jobs that Americans will not do. Many business get in seasonal workers on visas to do jobs that would otherwise not be filled. This is all simple supply and demand stuff, I'm surprised that such an accomplished businessman such as yourself doesn't understand this.

It works well in the UK, my daughters live there and are very happy with it, my sister and her family live in Canada and they are happy with it, so while you say they are not happy with it once again its just your opinion not a fact. My son lives in Australia, he likes the system there. Most of Europe has similar systems that they are satisfied with.

You say all this stuff but but you behave the opposite. The majority (remember that democracy thingy you don't like) voted in Democrats. You are obviously aggrieved that the people who you like are not in power. If you believed in democracy then you would support the will of the people. If you believed in democracy you would be speaking up about the gerrymandering and voter suppression being carried out by the Republicans. Maybe if Republicans did a bit more to help the people than line their own pockets they would not be in opposition.[/QUOTE]What jobs won't Americans do? I don't know of any jobs that this is true. Please name one job that an American won't do.

The illegals are not going through manned borders. They are crossing the border where there is no fence. Hence the open border term. Once they are in USA they are either not caught or they are caught and released. How do we vent the undesirable immigrants that aren't caught? You think only law abiding immigrants are crossing the border? Has Biden stopped the drug smugglers and human traffickers from crossing? Now in Arizona they haven't got enough border patrol to keep the check points open because they are overwhelmed but the sheer numbers. Even the liberal newspapers are acknowledging the problem but you don't seem to want to.

Why doesn't Biden focus on the poor and unemployed in this country first rather than path to citizenship for 11,000,000 illegals?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539037]The border is not open.

You are talking silly.[/QUOTE]If the border is not open how come we have so many illegals in Texas, CA, Arizona overwhelming the border patrol? Why are all the cages full of children?

[QUOTE=Canada;2539211]If the border is not open how come we have so many illegals in Texas, CA, Arizona overwhelming the border patrol? Why are all the cages full of children?[/QUOTE]Illegal immigrants can be exploited by employers north of the border in America. Just like you can exploit poor women when you go south of the border. What's to complain about it?

[QUOTE=Canada;2539211]If the border is not open how come we have so many illegals in Texas, CA, Arizona overwhelming the border patrol? Why are all the cages full of children?[/QUOTE]Canada, You have zero understanding of economics and the "Rule of Supply and Demand". And it's hilarious Hahaha.

Joe Biden beating the crap out of TrumpShit and becoming the 46th President of the United States has instantly made living in the United States better and more desirable. Much more desirable! More people are coming! That's what different.

If we had open borders, folks would be flooding over.

Instead we are having large increases in the amount of people being arrested right now trying to cross illegally because we don't have open borders!

[QUOTE=Canada;2539211]If the border is not open how come we have so many illegals in Texas, CA, Arizona overwhelming the border patrol? Why are all the cages full of children?[/QUOTE]It is quite amusing reading you writhing and squirming as you lose every argument you raise. You throw up baseless assertion after baseless assertion and whenever challenged you just swap to your next Fox talking point. The borders are not open, there is no crisis. Biden has revoked Trumps Muslim ban, reduced restrictions Trump placed on skilled labour entry, stopped repatriations until a review has been undertaken and increased the limit on refugee intake. He has not said or done anything to say that people entering the country illegally will be allowed to stay. As everyone except you knows that the majority of illegals enter via visa overstays and the majority of drugs are smuggled in via official border checkpoints. But don't stop your hysteria as it makes life fun sort of like hunting poor defenseless wildlife with an AK 47.

[QUOTE=Canada;2539210]What jobs won't Americans do? I don't know of any jobs that this is true. Please name one job that an American won't do.[/QUOTE]Strawberry picker.

Since I was a kid here in the OC, there's always been a seasonal shortage. I always instead chose to attend the Strawberry Festival.

Here's an article from the Orange County Register:

[URL]https://www.ocregister.com/2017/04/11/immigration-raids-scare-california-farmers-not-just-their-workers/[/URL]

"So Democratic USA Sen. Dianne Feinstein, then in her second full term, decided to check how much of the unemployment problem, then and now serious in both California and the entire nation, could be chalked up to the undocumented taking jobs from USA Citizens who wanted them.

She arranged for every office of the state Employment Development Department to list menial, farm-related jobs like strawberry picking that were actually available at the time. Absolutely none of the many thousands of citizens then drawing unemployment benefits in California bit on those jobs, even though everyone on unemployment must report job-seeking efforts in order to get a check.

The reasonable conclusion from this experiment which has not since been repeated anywhere was that unemployed USA Citizens were not interested in the kind of low-paid, seasonal and physically demanding jobs that often attract illegal immigrants to California and other parts of America. That's one big reason for this estimate from the American Farm Bureau Federation: Between 50 percent and 70 percent of all farm workers in this country are here illegally. "

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539227]Instead we are having large increases in the amount of people being arrested right now trying to cross illegally because we don't have open borders![/QUOTE]Politics is full of logical fallacies, and the "open borders" nonsense is a big straw man. The brighter Republicans like Ted Cruz know better. The dumbfucks like Mo Brooks and Majorie Taylor Greene probably do not.

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[QUOTE=GDreams;2539242]It is quite amusing reading you writhing and squirming as you lose every argument you raise. You throw up baseless assertion after baseless assertion and whenever challenged you just swap to your next Fox talking point. The borders are not open, there is no crisis. Biden has revoked Trumps Muslim ban, reduced restrictions Trump placed on skilled labour entry, stopped repatriations until a review has been undertaken and increased the limit on refugee intake. He has not said or done anything to say that people entering the country illegally will be allowed to stay. As everyone except you knows that the majority of illegals enter via visa overstays and the majority of drugs are smuggled in via official border checkpoints. But don't stop your hysteria as it makes life fun sort of like hunting poor defenseless wildlife with an AK 47.[/QUOTE]It's obvious that the borders are wide open, that's the very reason why Trump wanted to build a wall and why Central Americans are streaming into the US. You have to stop denying the obvious reality of things. Biden welcomes illegal immigrants. He has no interest in what's best for the American people, neither does he respect the law. Biden wants free immigration to the United States.

Also, Trump never implemented any Muslim ban.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539227]Canada, You have zero understanding of economics and the "Rule of Supply and Demand". And it's hilarious Hahaha.

Joe Biden beating the crap out of TrumpShit and becoming the 46th President of the United States has instantly made living in the United States better and more desirable. Much more desirable! More people are coming! That's what different.

If we had open borders, folks would be flooding over.

Instead we are having large increases in the amount of people being arrested right now trying to cross illegally because we don't have open borders![/QUOTE]It's obvious that Canada has a much better understanding of pretty much everything compared to you.

Biden started off his presidency by firing thousands of regular Americans and severely harmed the relationship with the key players in the Middle East. Biden is not only incompetent, he seems to be the voice of sectarian left wing extremists.

[QUOTE=Canada;2539210] [b]What jobs won't Americans do? I don't know of any jobs that this is true. Please name one job that an American won't do.[/b]

The illegals are not going through manned borders. They are crossing the border where there is no fence. Hence the open border term. Once they are in USA they are either not caught or they are caught and released. How do we vent the undesirable immigrants that aren't caught? You think only law abiding immigrants are crossing the border? Has Biden stopped the drug smugglers and human traffickers from crossing? Now in Arizona they haven't got enough border patrol to keep the check points open because they are overwhelmed but the sheer numbers. Even the liberal newspapers are acknowledging the problem but you don't seem to want to.

Why doesn't Biden focus on the poor and unemployed in this country first rather than path to citizenship for 11,000,000 illegals?[/QUOTE]Yet earlier you said. "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans."

So which is it? 1. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or manning a chicken / pork / beef breakdown line or another type of low level, menial task that Americans are lining up to fill? 2. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or another type of low level, menial task that brown people from SOTB are lining up to fill?

Americans won't do those menial jobs so Latinos do them. If it weren't for them the US would have precious little food.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539242]It is quite amusing reading you writhing and squirming as you lose every argument you raise. You throw up baseless assertion after baseless assertion and whenever challenged you just swap to your next Fox talking point. The borders are not open, there is no crisis. Biden has revoked Trumps Muslim ban, reduced restrictions Trump placed on skilled labor entry, stopped repatriations until a review has been undertaken and increased the limit on refugee intake. He has not said or done anything to say that people entering the country illegally will be allowed to stay. As everyone except you knows that the majority of illegals enter via visa overstays and the majority of drugs are smuggled in via official border checkpoints. But don't stop your hysteria as it makes life fun sort of like hunting poor defenseless wildlife with an AK 47.[/QUOTE]Typical socialist. No matter how bad Biden is they will change the facts to suit their thinking. Here is headline yesterday in local Arizona Liberal newspaper: CBP Shuts Down Arizona Highway Checkpoints to Preserve Manpower as Border Crisis Worsens.

Biden is 50 days into his presidency and has screwed up so many things that he is scared to hold a press conference. He may be first president in history to never have a press conference. Why is he scared of the media? Possibly because he can't say a coherent sentence and can't remember the names of his cabinet. I suppose Cuomo has never done anything wrong either. I guess it is to be expected that the socialists are so bitter, jealous and hateful of America. Look at our so called democrats of today: movie stars, media, teachers, professors, union workers, welfare recipients. They live in states that aren't right to work states because they don't want to have to work as hard and need job protection for their ineptness. They need their comfort pets and need to take their sick days even when they aren't sick. They don't believe in free enterprise and believe the government owes them. They hate American history and everything is racist including Dr Suess and Disney. They are better than Republicans because they care and are sensitive to everyones feelings. Socialists care for the transgenders that want to go into elementary schools girls bathrooms. They want felons in prison to be able to vote. Wonder why? Probably because majority of felons are democrats. They want any history they don't agree to erased. This isn't the democratic party any more. It is socialist and progressive. , There is no democratic party now so stop calling yourself democrats.

You guys must be so proud of your accomplishments getting rid of all the horrible things in the USA. Washington Redskins, Dr Suess, Peter Pan, Dumbo, Aunt Jemima. These hateful racist things have scarred American children for too long.

[QUOTE=Canada;2539407]They are better than Republicans because they care[/QUOTE]Despite all his blather, I guess Canada gets it.

The "Dreamer" kids my son's been going to school with for nearly two decades are looking forward to finally "Getting their papers" from President Joe Biden and entering the workforce to help fulfill their dreams.

Good kids.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2539334]It's obvious that Canada has a much better understanding of pretty much everything compared to you.

Biden started off his presidency by firing thousands of regular Americans and severely harmed the relationship with the key players in the Middle East. Biden is not only incompetent, he seems to be the voice of sectarian left wing extremists.[/QUOTE]Those thousands of jobs that were lost were migrant Mexican residents that Trump allowed in to build the planned "Adobe" sections of the border wall.

Apocalypto Or The Stars? New California Curriculum Urges Students To Chant To Aztec Deity Of Human Sacrifice. . .

Revenge of the Gods: California's proposed ethnic studies curriculum urges students to chant to the Aztec deity of human sacrifice, by Christopher F. Rufo, City Journal, March 10,2021.

Next week, the California Department of Education will vote on a new statewide ethnic studies curriculum that advocates for the "decolonization" of American society and elevates Aztec religious symbolism—all in the service of a left-wing political ideology.

The new program, called the Ethnic Studies Model Curriculum, seeks to extend the Left's cultural dominance of California's public university system, 50 years in the making, to the state's entire primary and secondary education system, which consists of 10,000 public schools serving a total of 6 million students. . . Are. Tolteka Cuauhtin, the original co-chair of the Ethnic Studies Model Curriculum, developed much of the material regarding early American history. In his book Rethinking Ethnic Studies, which is cited throughout the curriculum, Cuauhtin argues that the United States was founded on an Eurocentric, white supremacist aka racist, anti-Black, anti-Indigenous, capitalist aka classist, patriarchal aka sexist and misogynistic, heteropatriarchal aka homophobic, and anthropocentric paradigm brought from Europe. The document claims that whites began grabbing the land, hatching hierarchies, and "developing for Europe / whiteness, which created excess wealth that became the basis for the capitalist economy. Whites established a hegemony that continues to the present day, in which minorities are subjected to socialization, domestication, and 'zombification.'

The religious narrative is even more disturbing. Cuauhtin developed a related mandala claiming that white Christians committed theocide against indigenous tribes, killing their gods and replacing them with Christianity. White settlers thus established a regime of coloniality, dehumanization, and genocide, characterized by the explicit erasure and replacement of holistic Indigeneity and humanity. The solution, according to Cuauhtin and the ethnic studies curriculum, is to name, speak to, resist, and transform the hegemonic Eurocentric neocolonial condition in a posture of transformational resistance. The ultimate goal is to decolonize" American society and establish a new regime of countergenocide and counterhegemony, which will displace white Christian culture and lead to the regeneration of indigenous epistemic and cultural futurity.

This religious concept is fleshed out in the model curriculum's official ethnic studies community chant. The curriculum recommends that teachers lead their students in a series of indigenous songs, chants, and affirmations, including the In Lak Ech Affirmation, which appeals directly to the Aztec gods. Students first clap and chant to the god Tezkatlipoka—whom the Aztecs traditionally worshipped with human sacrifice and cannibalism—asking him for the power to be warriors for "social justice. Next, the students chant to the gods Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, and Xipe Totek, seeking healing epistemologies and a revolutionary spirit. Huitzilopochtli, in particular, is the Aztec deity of war and inspired hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices during Aztec rule. Finally, the chant comes to a climax with a request for liberation, transformation, and decolonization, after which students shout Panche beh! Panche beh! In pursuit of ultimate critical consciousness.

Do we really need "Immigrants" who dream and worship the Aztec gods of human sacrifice and cannibalism? As long as we send them to stay in your house and Biden's house with sharp knives and a big appetite, I guess I can live with what happens to you. . . So long as I do not have to pay for your funeral or immigrants prison costs. . . LOL Suggest you watch Apocalypto on DVD to get the picture of the future these crazies want. . .

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539454]The "Dreamer" kids my son's been going to school with for nearly two decades are looking forward to finally "Getting their papers" from President Joe Biden and entering the workforce to help fulfill their dreams.

Good kids.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2539407]Typical socialist. No matter how bad Biden is they will change the facts to suit their thinking. Here is headline yesterday in local Arizona Liberal newspaper: CBP Shuts Down Arizona Highway Checkpoints to Preserve Manpower as Border Crisis Worsens.

Biden is 50 days into his presidency and has screwed up so many things that he is scared to hold a press conference. He may be first president in history to never have a press conference. Why is he scared of the media? Possibly because he can't say a coherent sentence and can't remember the names of his cabinet. I suppose Cuomo has never done anything wrong either. I guess it is to be expected that the socialists are so bitter, jealous and hateful of America. Look at our so called democrats of today: movie stars, media, teachers, professors, union workers, welfare recipients. They live in states that aren't right to work states because they don't want to have to work as hard and need job protection for their ineptness. They need their comfort pets and need to take their sick days even when they aren't sick. They don't believe in free enterprise and believe the government owes them. They hate American history and everything is racist including Dr Suess and Disney. They are better than Republicans because they care and are sensitive to everyones feelings. Socialists care for the transgenders that want to go into elementary schools girls bathrooms. They want felons in prison to be able to vote..[/QUOTE]Typical fascist. You spend all your time here listing out all the things you believe in, how about some of the things you don't believe in:

1. you don't believe in democracy, you just want a one party state where the majority don't get a say, you love gerrymandering and voter suppression.

2. you believe rascism is OK, you don't want anyone to be able to question your white supremist beliefs.

3. you don't believe women should be allowed to control their reproductive rights.

4. you believe in corporate socialism where companies can do what they like no matter the cost and harm to the nation.

5. you don't bother to link that much of the crisis at the border is linked to past and present support of fascist regimes south of the border that keep their populations poor and disenfranchised so their only hope is to leave.

6. you are happy to spend vast amounts of money on a military that has not won a war since ww2 rather than spend the money on the health and wellbeing of your own citizens, where the countries infrastructure pales against your main rival. China.

As for Arizona I'm sure the motorists are happy that they don't have to stop at highway checkpoints.

As for your last sentence I personally don't care but these decisions are being made because the general public does care. Once again you talk about Dr Suess when I and other members of the forum have already schooled you on the fact that the decision was not made by public pressure but by the conservators of his estate to protect his good name. I know that does not mean much to you but many people think reputations and legacies are important.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2539334]It's obvious that Canada has a much better understanding of pretty much everything compared to you.

Biden started off his presidency by firing thousands of regular Americans and severely harmed the relationship with the key players in the Middle East. Biden is not only incompetent, he seems to be the voice of sectarian left wing extremists.[/QUOTE]Its pretty usual for the incoming president to fire all the outgoing presidents political appointees. The are hardly ordinary.

Harmed relationships in the middle east? You mean opening a dialogue with Iran to bring a close on Trumps failed policies? Exposing MBS to the truth of his actions? Stopping arms sales to the supporters of ISIS and Al Qaeda? You know MBS behaves in almost the exact manner of Saddam Hussein don't you! You think that's going to turn out well once he is in full control?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539597]Typical fascist. You spend all your time here listing out all the things you believe in, how about some of the things you don't believe in:

1. you don't believe in democracy, you just want a one party state where the majority don't get a say.[/QUOTE]Whatever made people so desperate that they placed their hopes in Donald Trump is being ignored. And now, with Democrat control of both Congress and the Presidency, democracy is dead, censorship is being imposed on anything that deviates from The One Party narrative. Republicans being accused of fascism while the Democrats are actively practicing it.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539597]Typical fascist. You spend all your time here listing out all the things you believe in, how about some of the things you don't believe in:

1. you don't believe in democracy, you just want a one party state where the majority don't get a say, you love gerrymandering and voter suppression.

2. you believe rascism is OK, you don't want anyone to be able to question your white supremist beliefs.

3. you don't believe women should be allowed to control their reproductive rights.

4. you believe in corporate socialism where companies can do what they like no matter the cost and harm to the nation.

5. you don't bother to link that much of the crisis at the border is linked to past and present support of fascist regimes south of the border that keep their populations poor and disenfranchised so their only hope is to leave.

6. you are happy to spend vast amounts of money on a military that has not won a war since ww2 rather than spend the money on the health and wellbeing of your own citizens, where the countries infrastructure pales against your main rival. China.

As for Arizona I'm sure the motorists are happy that they don't have to stop at highway checkpoints.

As for your last sentence I personally don't care but these decisions are being made because the general public does care. Once again you talk about Dr Suess when I and other members of the forum have already schooled you on the fact that the decision was not made by public pressure but by the conservators of his estate to protect his good name. I know that does not mean much to you but many people think reputations and legacies are important.[/QUOTE]You can't fix stupid This post verifies that.

[QUOTE=Canada;2539784]You can fix stupidYou can't fix stupid This post verifies that.[/QUOTE]This post verifies the reliable, clear philosophy of TrumpShit supporters.

Less than a year after being killed by Minneapolis police.

George Floyd has left his heirs $27 million.

Minneapolis police have started intense new police training.

On how to better look out for cameras.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539811]This post verifies the reliable, clear philosophy of TrumpShit supporters.[/QUOTE]Poor Canada is confused like all those QANON guys who can't understand how Trump is not president. Facts are completely lost on these guys. Its amazing how a taste of jail changes their outlook somewhat.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2539641]Whatever made people so desperate that they placed their hopes in Donald Trump is being ignored. And now, with Democrat control of both Congress and the Presidency, democracy is dead, censorship is being imposed on anything that deviates from The One Party narrative. Republicans being accused of fascism while the Democrats are actively practicing it.[/QUOTE]Those people worked out that Trump was a self serving con man. The reason there is a one party narrative now is that Republicans did a very bad job of governing when they were given the opportunity. Democracy is dead? You mean you didn't like the outcome just like Canada. You guys spent the last 4 years saying elections have consequences well poor governing and poor governance has consequences as well. But as democracy is not dead (unless Republican states Gerrymander and voter suppress it away) there will be another opportunity in 2 years to have your say!

Canada is a fascist as he does not respect the democratic process that the party that wins sets the agenda.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539842]Less than a year after being killed by Minneapolis police.

George Floyd has left his heirs $27 million.

Minneapolis police have started intense new police training.

On how to better look out for cameras.[/QUOTE]No wonder USA is broke, it's insane to give away 27 million dollars like that.

How much will the families of murdered policemen receive?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2539641]And now, with Democrat control of both Congress and the Presidency, democracy is dead[/QUOTE]Nah.

But your shit-ugly intolerance is being clearly exposed.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2539641]Whatever made people so desperate that they placed their hopes in Donald Trump is being ignored. And now, with Democrat control of both Congress and the Presidency, democracy is dead, censorship is being imposed on anything that deviates from The One Party narrative. Republicans being accused of fascism while the Democrats are actively practicing it.[/QUOTE]It's sometimes said that "nobody cries like the right. " No truer words have been spoken. GDreams was correct. You guys sucked at governing, lost the Congress, WH, and Senate so we set the agendas for a while. It's called democracy. See you are the midterms.

As to those putting faith in Trump, well bigotry is alive and well in the USA. Trump skipped the old dog whistle and brought out the bullhorn. That drew quite a crowd, and thanks to an unpopular candidate (Hillary) he squeaked into the WH. His base may not have everything they want but have what they need and more. They had travel money to go to DC, and all that were arrested that we know of either had a job or owned a business or was living off a spouse who did. They also were eager to tell us about their motives, to prevent certification of an election they believed was stolen.

Democrats are Fascists? Yea right, gender and racial equality, LGBTQ rights, expansion of voter rights and access, not to mention an economy that rates high on worldwide economic freedom scales and you are miles from Fascism, both in the goals and means of getting there.

[URL]https://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates[/URL]#text=The%20 United%20 States'%20 economic%20 freedom, freest%20 in%20 the%202021%20 Index.

You have no clue what Fascism is, even as to the very foundation and fundamentals found in the historic thought and policies of Mussolini and Hitler, and are only sore because Amazon shutdown Parler for ignoring calls to violence including that to lynch the VP. Go back to the Medellin thread and tell us more about the hole in the wall secret night clubs you are finding in Centro. That's far more your forte.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539908]Those people worked out that Trump was a self serving con man. The reason there is a one party narrative now is that Republicans did a very bad job of governing when they were given the opportunity. Democracy is dead? You mean you didn't like the outcome just like Canada. You guys spent the last 4 years saying elections have consequences well poor governing and poor governance has consequences as well. But as democracy is not dead (unless Republican states Gerrymander and voter suppress it away) there will be another opportunity in 2 years to have your say!

Canada is a fascist as he does not respect the democratic process that the party that wins sets the agenda.[/QUOTE]Assuming the election wasn't manipulated it's a great example of the fact that even the best president can lose an election when the majority of voters are a bunch of brainwashed morons. Because there's no doubt that the US population is subjected to a large propaganda campaign from social media (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) to media (CNN, WP, NYT) and Hollywood. Kim Jong-Un is jealous of the Democrats.

Trump is the only US president worthy of the Nobel Peace price in the 21th century.

The Democrats won the presidency after an election riddled by election fraud allegations, small marginals and several days of vote counting. The senate ended 50-50 after a shady re-election in Georgia.

In such circumstances it would be appropriate to tread carefully, not to deprive tens of thousands of Americans their livelihood. You sound like the leaders in GDR, they also had a fetish of calling their political opponents fascists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2539390]Yet earlier you said. "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans."

So which is it? 1. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or manning a chicken / pork / beef breakdown line or another type of low level, menial task that Americans are lining up to fill? 2. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or another type of low level, menial task that brown people from SOTB are lining up to fill?

Americans won't do those menial jobs so Latinos do them. If it weren't for them the US would have precious little food.[/QUOTE]BS, there are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay.

It's funny how you support "lohndumping" on the cost of working class Americans. I'm sure that's an election winner.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539600]Its pretty usual for the incoming president to fire all the outgoing presidents political appointees. The are hardly ordinary.

Harmed relationships in the middle east? You mean opening a dialogue with Iran to bring a close on Trumps failed policies? Exposing MBS to the truth of his actions? Stopping arms sales to the supporters of ISIS and Al Qaeda? You know MBS behaves in almost the exact manner of Saddam Hussein don't you! You think that's going to turn out well once he is in full control?[/QUOTE]Trump had the best policies when it comes to the Middle East, Biden on the other hand is so incompetent that he can't stop himself from killing tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. I feel for the American people, I truly do pray for the innocent Americans affected by the catastrophe called Joe Biden.

You've demonstrated your ignorance several times before when it comes to the Middle East and this time isn't any exemption.

Iraqi Christians, even Shias and Kurds admit that the country was better off under Saddam Hussein. USA and UK have already admitted that they had no good reason to topple Saddam.

It's not good policy to let Iran carry out terror attack after terror attack unchecked and unpunished. You're aware the the Iranians hates the west? You're aware that Iran is a problem with or without nuclear weapons and that giving them funds to increase their military spending is a big fat own-goal?

Come back when you understand the Middle Eastern mentality and history, especially the history between Saudi and Iran.

MBS is extremely well liked among young Saudis for modernizing the country. Please show the alternative to MBS and the royal family, the Wahhabi leaders? LOL! Saudi would be bombed by the US, Uk and Eu five seconds later. MBS is not in good standing when it comes to Saudi conservatives.

Anyways, you should stop supporting Irani terrorism and start supporting the Irani people. Iran needs to stop bombing Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Not to mention Lebanon and Iraq. Not to mention Iran's genocide against Sunnis in Syria. Al Qaida and Isis would never have grown so strong if it weren't for Iran and Hezbollah trying to eradicate Sunnis from Iraq and Syria. We are tired of Iran sending spies to the EU to murder political dissidents and steal industrial secrets.

Islamic fundamentalists are in general the (second) most powerful force in Middle Eastern countries, so when the regime falls the Islamists are first in line to seize power.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540170]USA and UK have already admitted that they had no good reason to topple Saddam.[/QUOTE]We attacked Iran because of lies perpetuated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and other Republican party leaders.

Good that most are out of power now.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539908]Those people worked out that Trump was a self serving con man. The reason there is a one party narrative now is that Republicans did a very bad job of governing when they were given the opportunity. Democracy is dead? You mean you didn't like the outcome just like Canada. You guys spent the last 4 years saying elections have consequences well poor governing and poor governance has consequences as well. But as democracy is not dead (unless Republican states Gerrymander and voter suppress it away) there will be another opportunity in 2 years to have your say!

Canada is a fascist as he does not respect the democratic process that the party that wins sets the agenda.[/QUOTE]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540161]BS, there are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay.

It's funny how you support "lohndumping" on the cost of working class Americans. I'm sure that's an election winner.[/QUOTE]"There are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay." Well, duh.

But few Americans would be able to afford a tomato, a head of lettuce, an apple or a chicken if fair wages were paid to the people doing the picking or cutting.

That's the problem with you Republicants. You use the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument to ban immigrants then argue that Americans would do these jobs if the pay was better but argue against raising the minimum wage.

But NO, Americans will not do those jobs. The work is too damned hard. I'll bet YOU never picked lettuce or cabbage or strawberries, did you? Day after day in the hot sun? Of course not. The work is too hard. Why else are "the trades" in most cities begging for apprentices? The work is too hard and / or dirty, that's why.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2540243]We attacked Iran because of lies perpetuated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and other Republican party leaders.

Good that most are out of power now.[/QUOTE]I had written Iraq.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2540337]That's the problem with you Republicants. You use the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument to ban immigrants then argue that Americans would do these jobs if the pay was better but argue against raising the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]You nailed it! Spot on! Another BS talking point, were Republicans, just continue to talk in circles.

Next up on out of the Republican playbook, is how Democrats should be tackling and managing the deficit, not handing out 1. 9 trillion COVID relief checks, despite it being a bill that over 70% of Americans are in favor.

But apparently it was OK, when Republicans, ran up the deficit and spent freely under their previous administration, when they give trillions in corporate welfare and tax cuts under "Agent Orange" and billions in corporate welfare bailouts, dating back to financial collapse of 2008 under President Bush, which ultimately began the a new era of capitalism, "zombie capitalism".

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540170]Trump had the best policies when it comes to the Middle East, Biden on the other hand is so incompetent that he can't stop himself from killing tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. I feel for the American people, I truly do pray for the innocent Americans affected by the catastrophe called Joe Biden.

You've demonstrated your ignorance several times before when it comes to the Middle East and this time isn't any exemption.[/QUOTE]I have just as much knowledge and understanding as you have just a different outlook. I believe the solution to the middle east is to stop giving a shit about them. I think the Arabs are just as bad as the Iranians who are just as bad as the Israelis. I have no problem at all with them having their all out wars into eternity. Maybe one day when they inflict enough suffering on each other they will work out that living in peace is better.

The issue is the world has become too reliant on them because of oil. We have an opportunity in the next couple of decades to fix that with electrification of transport. Get rid of this vast revenue stream and let them all go back to riding and fucking camels and the world will be a much better place.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2540300]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?[/QUOTE]You get that from Gerrymandering and voter suppression. The people being elected don't face consequences so they act in their partisan interests not the peoples interests. Fix that and both the right and left will come back to the center.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540159]Assuming the election wasn't manipulated it's a great example of the fact that even the best president can lose an election when the majority of voters are a bunch of brainwashed morons. Because there's no doubt that the US population is subjected to a large propaganda campaign from social media (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) to media (CNN, WP, NYT) and Hollywood. Kim Jong-Un is jealous of the Democrats.

Trump is the only US president worthy of the Nobel Peace price in the 21th century.

The Democrats won the presidency after an election riddled by election fraud allegations, small marginals and several days of vote counting. The senate ended 50-50 after a shady re-election in Georgia.

In such circumstances it would be appropriate to tread carefully, not to deprive tens of thousands of Americans their livelihood. You sound like the leaders in GDR, they also had a fetish of calling their political opponents fascists.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with the North Korean dictator? Trump "fell in love" with that fella, remember?

Also, Nobel Prize? Why would you want anything from those Marxists?

But listen, that doesn't even matter. What matters is that you seem to not quite understand how things work.

For one thing, Democrats don't have monopoly on the news.

You don't like CNN and MSNBC, and that's cool, but you have FOX, OAN, Newsmax, you have Sinclair (in case you don't know, a conservative local station behemoth covering 40% of the US households}; you've got conservative radio shows (whereas liberal radio shows don't even exist). And your attacking Facebook and Twitter is actually quite funny because if it weren't for Facebook and Twitter, your man would never have become President in 2016.

2. A fraud allegation is not a fraud.

3. Several days of vote counting is perfectly normal in a democracy.

4. The Senate ended up 50-50 because the incessant and false Trump's propaganda convinced REPUBLICAN voters to stay away. You need to thank the Supreme Leader, Trump, not Kim, that Dems flipped the Senate.

5. The last, but not the least is this: the majority of "brainwashed morons" aren't Martians. They are your fellow Americans. And you must respect their choice just like they respected your choice 5 years ago.

6. Leaders of GDR had all the reasons in the world to call their Western counterparts fascists because many of them were former fascists (Nazis). Although, they probably shouldn't have since many of them were former Nazis themselves, LOL.

But calling your comrades fascists is not out of whack. Who loves strong armed leaders, who doesn't believe in democracy, who doesn't like "bad hombres"? I mean not every Trump supporter is a fascist, but are there fascists in America who wouldn't be Trump's supporters? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2540577]What's wrong with the North Korean dictator? Trump "fell in love" with that fella, remember?

Also, Nobel Prize? Why would you want anything from those Marxists?

But listen, that doesn't even matter. What matters is that you seem to not quite understand how things work.

For one thing, Democrats don't have monopoly on the news.

You don't like CNN and MSNBC, and that's cool, but you have FOX, OAN, Newsmax, you have Sinclair (in case you don't know, a conservative local station behemoth covering 40% of the US households}; you've got conservative radio shows (whereas liberal radio shows don't even exist). And your attacking Facebook and Twitter is actually quite funny because if it weren't for Facebook and Twitter, your man would never have become President in 2016.

2. A fraud allegation is not a fraud.

3. Several days of vote counting is perfectly normal in a democracy..[/QUOTE]Unlike your ridiculous claim about Trump falling in love with Kim Jong Un, it's actually true that Obama and Biden betrayed their country for their love of the ayatollah in Iran and Castro on Cuba. Not to mention how Obama adored Erdogan and spoke about how he received good advice for "how to raise his daughters". It's hilarious since Erdogan have publicly claimed that women belong in the kitchen.

So much BS, it's the Democrats who are looking to control every aspect of people's lives, just look at the lockdowns. The Democrats biggest sponsors are censoring and blocking people on social media. It was the Democrats who adored Andrew Cuomo, leave no doubt that the Democrats and the liberal media would have loved Donald Trump if they had him on their side.

"Jim Crow in a suit," is exactly what it is. No excuse mail in voting has been in place in Georgia since 2005, but Republicans there seek to eliminate it, along with drop boxes and Sunday voting, all of which benefit people of color. And this all under the guise of "election integrity" even though the governor and secretary of state have confirmed that the recent elections were secure. Not to mention the upwards of 50 court cases that flopped even to the Supreme Court seeking to overturn the will of the people. Such powerplays are of course fundamentally undemocratic and unAmerican to the very core.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/14/stacey-abrams-georgia-bill-restrict-voting-rights[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540586] it's actually true that Obama and Biden betrayed their country for their love of the ayatollah in Iran and Castro on Cuba. [/QUOTE]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540586]Unlike your ridiculous claim about Trump falling in love with Kim Jong Un[/QUOTE]Poor fella, you've got so much to learn.

[URL]https://youtu.be/LV6mVmAVQU4[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540513]You get that from Gerrymandering and voter suppression. The people being elected don't face consequences so they act in their partisan interests not the peoples interests. Fix that and both the right and left will come back to the center.[/QUOTE]The Center? The problem is the political game in America is being played between the forty-yard lines.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2540748]Poor fella, you've got so much to learn.

[URL]https://youtu.be/LV6mVmAVQU4[/URL][/QUOTE]And you took it literally, LMFAO!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540694]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.[/QUOTE]Concise and well stated.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2540300]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?[/QUOTE]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]The Democrats are undoubtedly way worse. Just look at Biden Jr.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540694]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.[/QUOTE]Trump is undoubtedly the most successful US president ever when it comes to handling the Middle East. He built strong alliances and managed to bring peace to the Middle East. It's unprecedented.

Obama, Biden and the Democratic Party betrayed the US, especially the Cuban-Americans. Obama&Biden decided to spit at the survivors of the communist mass murderers Castro&Guevara. But so guess that I shouldn't be surprised that the Democratic prefer to support bloodthirsty socialists. USA should have put the Castro family out of business decades ago.

So how's the relationship with Russia and China going? LMFAO!

It's hilarious to see you mention those countries considering the sanctions the Democrats been so eager to put on Russia.

Trump had a good strategy when it came to Iran but he could have been even more aggressive taking out more Iranian terrorists, I'm deeply disappointed that he didn't take out Javid Zafari.

If you want to talk about failures just look at the JPOAC, it was pathetic and extremely counterproductive. There's a reason why Israel was against it. Not to mention the fact that the deal didn't really do anything to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, it more importantly didn't do anything to stop Iran's domestic&global terrorism and it frankly strengthened Iran's military capacity. Obama&Biden gave Iran billions of dollars to increase their military spending which equaled more spies to Europe, more money to Hezbollah and an improved missile program.

So in short, Obama&Biden didn't only fail to stop Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, they also strengthened Iran's military capabilities.

You do understand that Iran not only hates the West, they are also laughing at Obama&Biden and the EU?

Trump on the other hand put fear in their hearts and death to some of the regimes most notorious key players.

It's ignorant to bunch Persians, Israelis and Arabs together. There are considerable cultural differences.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]Also there are other parties besides the two major ones. In fact there was a time when the Reform Party was garnering a lot of support. Fact is though that most other parties in the states promote extremes that are well outside the views of the majority of American voters. But the two party system, one strong liberal, one strong conservative ultimately promotes centrism, which is the best place to be, and is where most Americans ultimately are.

Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided as he feigns superiority, acting as if no one is smart enough to understand him. Lolol But yea he's been in here pushing some whacky conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine rollout and alleged chip implantations. He's linked to the website of the known flaming Anti-Semite E. Michael Jones, and has called the vice president "Kabala" instead of Kamala which is certainly a reference to her Jewishness and that of her husband. So yea, all gives a good indication of what we are dealing, which should come as no surprise as monger communities draw all kinds.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed.[/QUOTE]What is often deemed "corruption" relates to campaign contributions which are perfectly legal, and in case law, deemed Constitutional. And while griping and complaining, usually within the context of self-serving and / or phony populism the same fail to provide any Constitutional alternatives.

It all comes back to the old saying of someone "crying with a loaf of bread under their arm." Americans live in a highly developed and successful economic environment where plenty of help for the disadvantaged but motivated individual exists. One can plan a career, get grants and aid for higher education, party less and save more, invest, become a homeowner and even a multi-millionaire if so determined. This vaccine roll out offers another picture of how advantaged we are. Shots are going in arms at a rapid pace, while developing countries are hardly off the ground. Not to mention all these stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits that are only dreamed of most places.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump is undoubtedly the most successful US president ever when it comes to handling the Middle East. He built strong alliances and managed to bring peace to the Middle East. It's unprecedented.[/QUOTE]I sometimes don't know why I bother but here goes. As if anyone cares about your assessment Trump. As with all things Trump whatever he has done will turn out to be temporary and ineffectual. Bring peace to the middle east? LOL! They are fake rockets that are raining down on Saudi? Israel doesn't conduct airstrikes into Syria? Palestinians and Israelis have signed a peace deal? Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites are all giving each other hugs? The Taliban has disbanded? Yep I expect the whole region will live in peace and prosperity because of Trump.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Obama, Biden and the Democratic Party betrayed the US, especially the Cuban-Americans. Obama&Biden decided to spit at the survivors of the communist mass murderers Castro&Guevara. But so guess that I shouldn't be surprised that the Democratic prefer to support bloodthirsty socialists. USA should have put the Castro family out of business decades ago.[/QUOTE]Cuban Americans? Are they Cuban or American? If they are American then how does Biden betray them? If its good for America its good for them as Americans. Yet again you have failed to specify exactly how this betrayal is being perpetuated. Spell it out what was the downside of opening up dialogue, improving trade and improving relations? How did the US suffer? Don't tell me about the internal politics of Cuba. The US has not only tolerated but actively supported many totalitarian regimes who torture and execute their citizens. Remember the Cultural Revolution yet China is the biggest trading partner. As I have said they have diplomatic and trade relationships with many countries as bad or worse than Cuba, so where is the betrayal?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]So how's the relationship with Russia and China going? LMFAO![/QUOTE]Not good yet still bilateral trade, diplomacy, travel, etc. So based on that why would Cuba be treated any different to these countries?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]It's hilarious to see you mention those countries considering the sanctions the Democrats been so eager to put on Russia.[/QUOTE]Russia just launched serious cyber attacks on the US, Russia interfered in the 2016 election, Russia invaded Crimea and Ukraine, Russia has been assassinating journalists and opposition figures yet Cuba is treated far worse by the US when they have done nothing to the US.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump had a good strategy when it came to Iran but he could have been even more aggressive taking out more Iranian terrorists, I'm deeply disappointed that he didn't take out Javid Zafari.[/QUOTE]Trump failed miserably with Iran. The nuclear program is in full swing, their missile and drone programs are becoming much more sophisticated, they have significant influence over Iraq and Syria and China is now pretty much ignoring US sanctions to buy their oil. Looks to me like a complete failure in policy.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]If you want to talk about failures just look at the JPOAC, it was pathetic and extremely counterproductive. There's a reason why Israel was against it. Not to mention the fact that the deal didn't really do anything to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, it more importantly didn't do anything to stop Iran's domestic&global terrorism and it frankly strengthened Iran's military capacity. Obama&Biden gave Iran billions of dollars to increase their military spending which equaled more spies to Europe, more money to Hezbollah and an improved missile program.[/QUOTE]It worked as it was intended. It put a halt to the nuclear program. It did not claim to have any other intent. Noone cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. The are like the 10 year old bully who whenever they get confronted go and hide behind the legs of their 20 year old brother. I could detail all the shortcomings of Israel but that ist the point The point is that Iran is a sovereign nation and they have the just as much right to carry out their activities as the US does in supporting Saudi or UAE. So what if they got nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them, India has them Nth Korea has them. Lots of countries have them. So what?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]So in short, Obama&Biden didn't only fail to stop Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, they also strengthened Iran's military capabilities.[/QUOTE]Well Trump was in power the last 4 years and these programs have accelerated significantly under his watch.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]You do understand that Iran not only hates the West, they are also laughing at Obama&Biden and the EU?[/QUOTE]No Iran does not hate the west. Iran was very cooperative with the US after 911 until Bush came out with his axis of evil speech. If it were not for US policy Iran would likely be the most prowest nation in the region but once again because the US loves to support right wing dictators rather than democracies Iran has ended up being an enemy. However the US should look at their friends there, The arabs who have all been supporters of ISIS and al qaeda and Israel (a bunch of European refugees who have terrorised the region for the last 75 years.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump on the other hand put fear in their hearts and death to some of the regimes most notorious key players.[/QUOTE]The only people afraid of Trump are teenage girls.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]It's ignorant to bunch Persians, Israelis and Arabs together. There are considerable cultural differences.[/QUOTE]When did I mention culture? I said they are all as deplorable as each other. If they fought themselves to mutual destruction not one tear would be shed by me.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between
Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]The Democrat Party foisting Hillary Clinton on the electorate in 2016 (which resulted in Donald Trump!) should have told you all you needed to know about the Dems, but apparently not.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541272]It worked as it was intended. It put a halt to the nuclear program. It did not claim to have any other intent. Noone cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. The are like the 10 year old bully who whenever they get confronted go and hide behind the legs of their 20 year old brother. I could detail all the shortcomings of Israel but that ist the point The point is that Iran is a sovereign nation and they have the just as much right to carry out their activities as the US does in supporting Saudi or UAE. So what if they got nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them, India has them Nth Korea has them. Lots of countries have them. So what?[/QUOTE]Though there's one point you didn't respond to. Neither Obama nor Biden "gave Iran billions of dollars. " As part of the Iran nuclear deal Iranian assets, IE. Their own money held in foreign banks was released. And the EU, Russia, and China were part of this action along with the US. Shoobree was corrected on this point multiple times in the past, but for whatever reason, chooses to keep repeating the lie. I enjoy a good tussle, but people that habitually demonstrate a lack of integrity / engage in logical fallacies aren't worth bothering with as it's a bad use of my time.

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

[URL]https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArgumentumAdNauseam[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541272]Cuban Americans? Are they Cuban or American? If they are American then how does Biden betray them? If its good for America its good for them as Americans.

No one cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. [/QUOTE]Who are these Cuban-Americans? They're the people who ran away when Castro appropriated their land, businesses, and properties. Living in their little houses in Hialeah, having to work for once in their lives and raising their children on tales of lost splendor rightfully theirs that they hope to have restored to them -- once the revolucionarios fall.

Isreal is the terrorist state themselves? Tell us more, please. Go for it!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2541177]Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided as he feigns superiority, acting as if no one is smart enough to understand him. Lolol But yea he's been in here pushing some whacky conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine rollout and alleged chip implantations. He's linked to the website of the known flaming Anti-Semite E. Michael Jones, and has called the vice president "Kabala" instead of Kamala which is certainly a reference to her Jewishness and that of her husband. So yea, all gives a good indication of what we are dealing, which should come as no surprise as monger communities draw all kinds.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2541346]The Democrat Party foisting Hillary Clinton on the electorate in 2016 (which resulted in Donald Trump!) should have told you all you needed to know about the Dems, but apparently not.[/QUOTE]I suspected the comparison would be lost on you. Not too worry, don't lose any sleep on it.

As Republicans run down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring on their own foisted "orange throne" of folly, it is far more insidious and symptomatic something of a political party lost in denomination.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2541177]Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided. He's linked to the website of the known flaming Anti-Semite E. Michael Jones, and has called the vice president "Kabala" instead of Kamala which is certainly a reference to her Jewishness. So yea, all gives a good indication of what we are dealing, which should come as no surprise as monger communities draw all kinds.[/QUOTE]You're under the big tent, big guy, can't handle it huhn? Yet you demand people to explain themselves and hurl anti-whatever slurs, which gives a good indication of what we are dealing (with).

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541477]As Republicans run down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring on their own foisted "orange thrown" of folly, it is far more insidious and symptomatic something of a political party lost in denomination.[/QUOTE]Their 'thrown'?

Were it not for the Democrats utilizing their media outlets, the Trump candidacy was going nowhere. And then the Democrat National Committee rigs their primaries to ensure an HRC nominee. And you want to blame the Republicans for the four years of the "orange thrown?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2541482]Their 'thrown'?

Were it not for the Democrats utilizing their media outlets, the Trump candidacy was going nowhere. And then the Democrat National Committee rigs their primaries to ensure an HRC nominee. And you want to blame the Republicans for the four years of the "orange thrown?[/QUOTE]The correction was made to "throne".

Blaming the Democrats for the rise of "Agent Orange" and the "orange throne", is a bit of a stretch even for you. Apparently not!

But like I said, the comparison that was originally made, would be lost on you, is even more evident with statements like that.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541522]Blaming the Democrats for the rise of "Agent Orange" and the "orange throne", is a bit of a stretch said, the comparison [/QUOTE]Like you made clear, you're unable to see things in context. Just be proud of yourself, in thinking you're not a deplorable in your own mind.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2541403]Who are these Cuban-Americans? They're the people who ran away when Castro appropriated their land, businesses, and properties. Living in their little houses in Hialeah, having to work for once in their lives and raising their children on tales of lost splendor rightfully theirs that they hope to have restored to them -- once the revolucionarios fall.

Isreal is the terrorist state themselves? Tell us more, please. Go for it![/QUOTE]So they are not Americans? You know Castro was not an invader? He lead a popular uprising. Maybe there is a lesson there for the US when you let wealth inequalities get too great. You worry about the displaced wealthy and not the poor that Castro represented.

Yet Israel did exactly the same to the Palestinians but you care not one wit about that. The European refugees drove the Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint. Now they constantly attack their neighbours trying to expand their regime. The dispossess the Muslims of their land, access to water and grazing grounds but you are quite content with that but very discontented that the same has happened in Cuba.

Its my first time posting on this section.

The only question that matters to me as someone who has never voted is.

Who is going legalize sex work first so I don't have to travel anymore, whatever party or candidate does in a strategic way will get my full support regardless of other views.

I actually don't think sex would be to expensive here either because although there are tons of thirsty dudes there are more thirsty hoes.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541272]I sometimes don't know why I bother but here goes. As if anyone cares about your assessment Trump. As with all things Trump whatever he has done will turn out to be temporary and ineffectual. Bring peace to the middle east? LOL! They are fake rockets that are raining down on Saudi? Israel doesn't conduct airstrikes into Syria? Palestinians and Israelis have signed a peace deal? Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites are all giving each other hugs? The Taliban has disbanded? Yep I expect the whole region will live in peace and prosperity because of Trump.

Cuban Americans? Are they Cuban or American? If they are American then how does Biden betray them? If its good for America its good for them as Americans. Yet again you have failed to specify exactly how this betrayal is being perpetuated. Spell it out what was the downside of opening up dialogue, improving trade and improving relations? How did the US suffer? Don't tell me about the internal politics of Cuba. The US has not only tolerated but actively supported many totalitarian regimes who torture and execute their citizens. Remember the Cultural Revolution yet China is the biggest trading partner. As I have said they have diplomatic and trade relationships with many countries as bad or worse than Cuba, so where is the betrayal?

Not good yet still bilateral trade, diplomacy, travel, etc. So based on that why would Cuba be treated any different to these countries?

Russia just launched serious cyber attacks on the US, Russia interfered in the 2016 election, Russia invaded Crimea and Ukraine, Russia has been assassinating journalists and opposition figures yet Cuba is treated far worse by the US when they have done nothing to the US..[/QUOTE]You have made your ignorance, arrogance and hatred more and more obvious for each post you write and I can't be surprised that you end up welcoming the genocide of not only one ethnic group but three, Persians, Arabs and Israelis.

You're pretty much the definition of evil, and I don't say that lightly. I guess you're a fair representation of what the Democrats have turned to. A bunch of hateful national socialists. No wonder extremists like Ilhan Omar feel welcomed in the party.

The Israelis right to Israel dates back thousands of years. You call the Israelis terrorists simply because they defend themselves against terrorists. The Israelis could wipe Palestine off the map if they so desired, but they don't. It's simple, Israel wants to live in peace while the Palestinians rather kill themselves and their children than live in peace. We see it all over the world, crazy Muslims terrorizing Hindus in India, Buddhists in Myanmar & Thailand, Jews in Israel and Christians pretty much all over the globe. Not to mention how they terrorize each other.

Only a full blown Nazi as you would deny the Israelis their right to defend themselves. Israel is a peaceful democracy while Palestine is a violent dictatorship promoting terrorism against Israel and violence against their own people.

When it comes to the Iranians, even under the threat of a brutal death Iranians still goes out on the streets protesting against the regime. They are fighting for democracy. With the regime gone Iran could finally become a functioning democracy. But Obama / Biden and their fanboys rather support the regime and the chaos they bring to the entire region. The Iranian regime is hindering democracy and the demise of religious fundamentalism in the region. I would say that the worse affected countries are Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen.

When it comes to Cuba I simply can't believe that you're so extremely ignorant that you don't even know what a Cuban-American is.

It's pretty simple to draw parallels between what happened in Cuba with what more recently happened in Venezuela.

Do you deny the existence of Venezuelan-Americans? Do you want the US to get cozy with Venezuela as well? You have already shown how morally repugnant you're so that would just be another nail in the coffin. I guess you wanted to establish diplomatic relations with ISIS as well considering that you have no morals at all.

The Castro family bankrupted Cuban families and drove them off the island. Yet Obama / Biden decided to get cozy with the Castros. The betrayal is unbelievable and with no pros for the US. Because you're more than stupid if you don't understand the difference between Cuba and China, but I'm sure that China didn't turn out as USA thought when they started the "ping-pong" diplomacy which was pretty much a result of USA trying to contain Soviet.

The Democrats support for socialistic dictatorships in Latin America cost them Florida.

Instead of coming online and writing your ignorant opinions you should educate yourself about the issue first.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html[/URL]

Maybe Soleimani wasn't afraid of Trump, but he and Fakhrizadeh sure as hell are dead and buried now. So your comment only served to highlight your inability to see things objectively because of your hatred towards Trump.

Iran harbors Al-Qaida members and helped the Talibans in Afghanistan to murder Americans. You're so extremely ignorant. The whole world, except you, Obama, Biden and possibly some incompetent EU-politicians are aware that the Iranian regime hates the West. You're aware that the regime is guilty of imprisoning and murdering Westerners? You're aware that Iran's also behind the attacks against the US embassy in Iraq? Iran is in no way a democracy and today even Saudi Arabia is more liberal when it comes to personal freedoms. Iran will be an enemy of the west until the ayatollah, mullahs and regime are annihilated.

But sure Iran "does not hate the west", WTF are you smoking?

You really don't get it do you, the people ruling Iran are the most radical Islamists and anti-west of the whole country. They have no interest in peace. They sit on the power and will never let the country change and become "prowest" since it's against their very ideology. They may fool ignorant people like you, Obama and Biden but not those of us who are truly brought up with the MENA history and mentally.

Trump accomplished two peace agreements between Israel and Bahrain and Israel and the UAE. Maybe he could have solved the issues in Afghanistan as well if Iran hadn't supported the Talibans and Al-Qaida, who knows? Trump did in many ways exceed my expectations.

[URL]https://m.dw.com/en/tehran-buddies-up-to-the-taliban/a-56434495[/URL]

You never stop and ask yourself what al-Qaida leaders are doing in Iran? Or why Iran hangs Westerners but not al-Qaida leaders? The answer is obvious.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/world/middleeast/al-masri-abdullah-qaeda-dead.amp.html[/URL]

Obama and Biden belongs in prison for their crimes against USA.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/[/URL]

Obama / Biden harmed USA and their allies badly while strengthening the enemies of USA. Hezbollah and Iran laughed so much at USA and the incompetence of Obama / Biden. They belong in prison and it's a scandal that they have yet to face justice.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541530]So they are not Americans? You know Castro was not an invader? He lead a popular uprising. Maybe there is a lesson there for the US when you let wealth inequalities get too great. You worry about the displaced wealthy and not the poor that Castro represented.

Yet Israel did exactly the same to the Palestinians but you care not one wit about that. The European refugees drove the Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint. Now they constantly attack their neighbours trying to expand their regime. The dispossess the Muslims of their land, access to water and grazing grounds but you are quite content with that but very discontented that the same has happened in Cuba.[/QUOTE]The displaced Cubans will cleave to anything offering them a shot at getting their lost property back. Their tough luck.

How come American foreign policy fails to reflect the situation in Palestine as you so accurately describe? Why are billions and billions of our taxpayer money given to the Zionist regime, whose citizens have healthcare while our own people can't afford it. It's incomprehensible.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541530]So they are not Americans? You know Castro was not an invader? He lead a popular uprising. Maybe there is a lesson there for the US when you let wealth inequalities get too great. You worry about the displaced wealthy and not the poor that Castro represented.

Yet Israel did exactly the same to the Palestinians but you care not one wit about that. The European refugees drove the Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint. Now they constantly attack their neighbours trying to expand their regime. The dispossess the Muslims of their land, access to water and grazing grounds but you are quite content with that but very discontented that the same has happened in Cuba.[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised that a national socialist like you supports those terrorizing Jews who returned to the land which had been stolen from them and a murderous communist dictatorship like the one Castro represented.

You're obviously not a supporter of democracy nor of human rights, but that's pretty much expected from you since you're a national socialist.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2541548]Its my first time posting on this section.

The only question that matters to me as someone who has never voted is.

Who is going legalize sex work first so I don't have to travel anymore, whatever party or candidate does in a strategic way will get my full support regardless of other views.

I actually don't think sex would be to expensive here either because although there are tons of thirsty dudes there are more thirsty hoes.[/QUOTE]Can you name an industrialized country with legal prostitution, which is a stellar ISG destination? Germany? Maybe, but still expensive if you ask me.

But anyway, legal brothels do exist in the US: [URL]https://vitalvegas.com/25-stimulating-facts-moonlite-bunnyranch-navadas-famous-brothel/[/URL].

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541530]So they are not Americans? You know Castro was not an invader? He lead a popular uprising. Maybe there is a lesson there for the US when you let wealth inequalities get too great. You worry about the displaced wealthy and not the poor that Castro represented.

Yet Israel did exactly the same to the Palestinians but you care not one wit about that. The European refugees drove the Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint. Now they constantly attack their neighbours trying to expand their regime. The dispossess the Muslims of their land, access to water and grazing grounds but you are quite content with that but very discontented that the same has happened in Cuba.[/QUOTE]And I thought you'd been so thoughtful. Up until this.

You love Castro, a ruthless, bloody dictator who suffocated his own people for 45 years.

And you hate Israel that's been fighting for its own existence through 4 wars and countless intifadas. Who started all those wars?

Trumpists have a field day when their opponents are spewing this kind of garbage.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2541633]And I thought you'd been so thoughtful. Up until this.

You love Castro, a ruthless, bloody dictator who suffocated his own people for 45 years.

And you hate Israel that's been fighting for its own existence through 4 wars and countless intifadas. Who started all those wars?

Trumpists have a field day when their opponents are spewing this kind of garbage.[/QUOTE]I have no love of Castro. Are you saying that he did not lead a popular uprising? I'm not saying anything to support the regime other than they are no worse than many that the US has had friendly relationships with. The US was a strong supporter of Chile's Pinochet when they were fully aware of the murders and atrocities he was committing. The US supplied arms to the Soviets during world war 2 after Stalin starved 8 million Ukrainians to death in the '30's. I could list 100's of examples of the US having friendly relationships with regimes that have committed atrocities. So far US policy towards Cuba has achieved nothing but further suffering of the people living there. Supporting failed policies and criticizing policies that have proven more effective in helping the people is not constructive. The mindset against Cuba is ideological not rational.

Are you saying Israel has not taken in millions of European refugees and displaced the Palestinians at gunpoint? Is that not the cause of the wars? You asked the question then clearly Israel is the cause. Why do you think it was acceptable for those people who had not called that region home for millennia be allowed to just flood in and displace those people from their homes?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2541524]Like you made clear, you're unable to see things in context. Just be proud of yourself, in thinking you're not a deplorable in your own mind.[/QUOTE]Don't lose any sleep over it. Tomorrow is another day.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2541177]Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided as he feigns superiority, acting as if no one is smart enough to understand him. Lolol [/QUOTE]Yep! I see your point.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541530]So they are not Americans? You know Castro was not an invader? He lead a popular uprising. Maybe there is a lesson there for the US when you let wealth inequalities get too great. You worry about the displaced wealthy and not the poor that Castro represented.

Yet Israel did exactly the same to the Palestinians but you care not one wit about that. The European refugees drove the Palestinians from their lands at gunpoint. Now they constantly attack their neighbours trying to expand their regime. The dispossess the Muslims of their land, access to water and grazing grounds but you are quite content with that but very discontented that the same has happened in Cuba.[/QUOTE]Che Guevara most certainly wasn't Cuban. Can you tell me how many elections Cuba had after the foreign-led coup?

Israelis have every right to return to their land and it has been inhabited by Israelis for several thousands of years. If the Palestinians had accepted the existence of non-Muslims in the Middle East they would have been much better off today.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541587]I'm not surprised that a national socialist like you supports those terrorizing Jews who returned to the land which had been stolen from them and a murderous communist dictatorship like the one Castro represented.

You're obviously not a supporter of democracy nor of human rights, but that's pretty much expected from you since you're a national socialist.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, you've internalized the commands of your oppressors.

[QUOTE=Canada;2539210]What jobs won't Americans do? I don't know of any jobs that this is true. Please name one job that an American won't do.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539270]Strawberry picker.

Since I was a kid here in the OC, there's always been a seasonal shortage. I always instead chose to attend the Strawberry Festival.

Here's an article from the Orange County Register:

[URL]https://www.ocregister.com/2017/04/11/immigration-raids-scare-california-farmers-not-just-their-workers/[/URL]

"So Democratic USA Sen. Dianne Feinstein, then in her second full term, decided to check how much of the unemployment problem, then and now serious in both California and the entire nation, could be chalked up to the undocumented taking jobs from USA Citizens who wanted them.[/QUOTE]The Florida Strawberry festival is a bigger event than the one held in Orange County California.

Annually more than 500,000 guests go to the Florida Strawberry Festival. The one held in 2019 in Plant City Florida set a new attendance record of 563,000 for its 11 day run.

In 2020 the Florida Strawberry Festival was held for 11 days in February-March. I have not found reference to what attendance they enjoyed last year.

This year the show went on, but without headline entertainment like in prior years. It was expected to be much smaller this year.

I saw blogger video of this year's opening day on March 4, 2011. In the video I saw, it looked like ghost town with hardly any guests.

The Florida Strawberry festival had its last day on Sunday, March 14th. If attendance ever gets announced, I expect it will be dismal.

The Orange County Strawberry Festival is a much smaller event, traditionally held for four days in Garden Grove CA over Memorial day weekend.

I guess it was more than a month ago, it was announced that the 62nd annual Strawberry festival received it second postponement and is re-scheduled to Memorial Day Weekend in May 2022.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541863]Che Guevara most certainly wasn't Cuban. Can you tell me how many elections Cuba had after the foreign-led coup?

Israelis have every right to return to their land and it has been inhabited by Israelis for several thousands of years. If the Palestinians had accepted the existence of non-Muslims in the Middle East they would have been much better off today.[/QUOTE]What has Che Guevara got to do with the US having open relations with Cuba? Hasn't he been dead for decades? When have I discussed him?

You know Saudi Arabia is a kingdom? The heir to the thrown has been busily murdering opponents but the US maintains full diplomatic relations with them.

Just like all you right wing nutters here you just constantly change the subject when you hit a brick wall of logic. You claim betrayal by having more open relations with Cuba when the past 120 years of policy towards Cuba has been a failure. I think improving the lives of the people there will lead to better lifestyles and improvement in freedom.

No being absent from a region fir 1000 years gives no right of return. Certainly no right to evict residents at gun point.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541551]You have made your ignorance, arrogance and hatred more and more obvious for each post you write and I can't be surprised that you end up welcoming the genocide of not only one ethnic group but three, Persians, Arabs and Israelis.

You're pretty much the definition of evil, and I don't say that lightly. I guess you're a fair representation of what the Democrats have turned to. A bunch of hateful national socialists. No wonder extremists like Ilhan Omar feel welcomed in the party.

The Israelis right to Israel dates back thousands of years. You call the Israelis terrorists simply because they defend themselves against terrorists. The Israelis could wipe Palestine off the map if they so desired, but they don't. It's simple, Israel wants to live in peace while the Palestinians rather kill themselves and their children than live in peace. We see it all over the world, crazy Muslims terrorizing Hindus in India, Buddhists in Myanmar & Thailand, Jews in Israel and Christians pretty much all over the globe. Not to mention how they terrorize each other.

Only a full blown Nazi as you would deny the Israelis their right to defend themselves. Israel is a peaceful democracy while Palestine is a violent dictatorship promoting terrorism against Israel and violence against their own people..[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]This time I'm not going to bother spelling it all out in detail for you.

These groups that you love have been warring for thousands of years. They haven't moved on and won't move on until they have wiped each other out or one wins. I don't care about any of them. If they want to it let then go for it!

Maybe the Israelis should be put in chains and handed back to the Egyptians? Weren't they runaway slaves? Maybe sent to Italy, weren't they Roman slaves? If you want to talk about someone having some right because their descendants lived somewhere 2000 years ago then the world will be in for a big shakep. Someone can just turn up at your doorstep with a gun and tell you to leave because 2000 years ago my ancestor was a barbarian and he roamed this area, get out!

If you are American behave like it. If you want to be Cuban or Venezuelan go back there.

Iran does not support the Taliban, Pakistan does.

Iran does not support AlQaeda Saudi does.

The US owes Hezbollah and Iran a debt to destroying ISIS.

If anyone should be in jail it is Bush, Cheyney, Rumsfeld and Powell for the Iraq war.

Let me know when the fever and frothing stop and you want to listen to rational arguments.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541654]I have no love of Castro. [/QUOTE]Good, so you're a little less delusional than I thought.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541654]Are you saying Israel has not taken in millions of European refugees and displaced the Palestinians at gunpoint? Is that not the cause of the wars? You asked the question then clearly Israel is the cause. Why do you think it was acceptable for those people who had not called that region home for millennia be allowed to just flood in and displace those people from their homes?[/QUOTE]1. Every Jew in Europe was a refugee after the WW2.

2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arab countries desire to throw Israel into the sea.

3. No, Israel has always offered peace to its neighbors, which most of them have ignored. It's not the cause.

Your arguments are idiotic at best and anti-Semitic at worst. This garbage about "European refugees," as if you don't know why they were refugees in Europe. People who lost everything and whose homes had been taken by their neighbors. People who barely survived the camps were beaten, chased away and even murdered when they tried to return back home.

Lots of choices they had!

There were no Israel and no Palestine before 1948. The UN voted on creation of 2 new countries. Israel accepted that division, but the armies of several Arab countries attacked with all their might. They thought it would be super-easy, well, they've had enough opportunities to think again.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542029]1. Every Jew in Europe was a refugee after the WW2.

2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arabs desire to throw Israel into the sea.

3. No, Israel that always offered peace to its neighbors is not the cause.

Your arguments are idiotic at best and anti-Semitic at worst. This garbage about "European refugees," as if you don't know why they were refugees in Europe. People who lost everything and whose homes had been taken by their neighbors. People who barely survived the camps were beaten, chased away and even murdered when they tried to return back home..[/QUOTE]1. Not exactly but there a big number were.

2. As you pointed out the state of Israel was a construction by the UN, dictated by the major powers. Why should Arabs have to accept that? What did they get in return? Just like any decision just foistered on people its no surprise when there is resistance.

3. Israel has only offered peace on its terms. They have not ever tried to fix the root problems.

It pretty simple to call someone anti Semetic because they don't support the Jewish state from doing whatever they please. The reality is I have no animas towards Jews apart from their proposition that they have some special place and destiny in this world because of some ancient fairy tale. I apply that to Christians and Muslims as well!

I am not saying they had a lot of choices but driving the local non Jews from their homes and land by gunpoint was not an acceptable one and why there is still a festering sore in the region because of the way it was done.

So where is this Arab state? Israel opposes a two state solution and even if it were to occur I don't see it being logistically viable.

Israel is an artificial construct and like any buildings laid on poor foundations it will eventually topple. If it were not for the US support it would have already toppled. What do you think will happen when the US is no longer the big dog and they have to support themselves? The only way to get permanence is a real peace addressing the shortcomings of 70 years ago.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542029]2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arab countries desire to throw Israel into the sea.
3. No, Israel has always offered peace to its neighbors, which most of them have ignored.[/QUOTE]Well done! You've bought the whole narrative. You'll be raptured for sure.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542108]Well done! You've bought the whole narrative. You'll be raptured for sure.[/QUOTE]This is what Golfinho losing a debate looks like.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541963] . . . Just like all you right wing nutters here you just constantly change the subject when you hit a brick wall of logic. . . . [/QUOTE]Just wait for the "doubling down" on said logic.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2542226]This is what Golfinho losing a debate looks like.[/QUOTE]What debate? You're spouting opinion.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2542043]

Israel is an artificial construct [/QUOTE]Wow, how wonderful! Beautiful even.

Let's see, are there other countries that might be defined as "artificial"?

Like, I don't know, Pakistan, Iraq, all former USSR republics?

Hey, don't forget India! What a perfectly artificial construct by the British Empire.

Palau, Kosovo, East Timor, Montenegro. Hey, what's up with Belgium? Is it French or is it Dutch?

What about Palestine? Not artificial? Sure, it's ALWAYS been there, right?

So, is it just Israel or are there other "artificial" countries that don't have the right to exist?

I bet it's just Israel, isn't it? Why would you care about other "Jewless" countries?

Speaking of which, no, of course, you have no animus for Jews -- unless there are too many of them in one place.

Just wonder if there is any other country on Earth that you would DARE to hold to a standard as high as Israel.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542397]Wow, how wonderful! Beautiful even.

Let's see, are there other countries that might be defined as "artificial"?

Like, I don't know, Pakistan, Iraq, all former USSR republics?

Hey, don't forget India! What a perfectly artificial construct by the British Empire.

Palau, Kosovo, East Timor, Montenegro. Hey, what's up with Belgium? Is it French or is it Dutch?

What about Palestine? Not artificial? Sure, it's ALWAYS been there, right?

So, is it just Israel or are there other "artificial" countries that don't have the right to exist?.[/QUOTE]You are correct, Pakistan India, Bangladesh, Kashmir has plenty of issues, Azerbaijan, Armenia also, Georgia / Russia, Balkans, Iraq, Ukraine / Russia, Moldova, Cyprus, no shortage of problematic states, conflicts but we were not discussing them. We are discussing Israel. You find them blameless many don't. They are the ones who play the Jew card, any criticism and its anti semetic, poor us look how badly were were treated in WW2 so we need special treatment and sympathy. Maybe lose that attitude and deal with the issues and peace might be possible. But when they behave like victims of violence who become the same themselves then nothing will change.

A typical example is when Hamas won elections in Gaza. Instead of accepting the democratically elected representatives and opening a dialogue they were labelled terrorists and shunned. It wasn't until the UK opened a dialogue with Sein Fein that peace was achieved in Northern Ireland. Yes they had terrorist links but unless you open a dialogue and resolve issues nothing changes.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542397]Just wonder if there is any other country on Earth that you would DARE to hold to a standard as high as Israel.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542611]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]And the biggest irony of all is that it is powerful and influential Jewish media and political lobbying organisations in the West that are pushing through so much third world immigration, against the wishes of the population, while simultaneously maintaining Israel's right to refuse entry to any non-Jews, build 30 foot high border walls and shoot on sight. There is actually an Israeli organisation called IsraAID which helps third world "refugees" (migrants). But not to settle in Israel, oh no! It helps them break into Europe. That's chutzpah I guess.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542611]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]The Anti-Semitic global conspiracy peddler is beginning to open up some more. It's certainly no wonder why you are sympathetic with the cause of the supremacists that invaded the US Captial, the same cowards that remain our greatest US domestic terrorist threat. It's always best to know what you're dealing with, assuming you show your face and articulate your views in public. That however may well be too much to assume.

[URL]https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/E-Michael-Jones.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2542618]And the biggest irony of all is that it is powerful and influential Jewish media and political lobbying organisations in the West that are pushing through so much third world immigration, against the wishes of the population, while simultaneously maintaining Israel's right to refuse entry to any non-Jews, build 30 foot high border walls and shoot on sight. There is actually an Israeli organisation called IsraAID which helps third world "refugees" (migrants). But not to settle in Israel, oh no! It helps them break into Europe. That's chutzpah I guess.[/QUOTE]Someone gave the green light and the Anti-Semites are scurrying out of the woodwork at break neck speed. The Jews are naturally defensive given all the persecutions they've been the brunt of throughout the centuries. Much of this has been a simple reaction to the fact that they often are very capable, well educated, ambitious and hard working, plus they often collaborate in business. They thus represent formidable competition, and thus are deemed a threat. Other motivations to attack them have been wholly irrational, but none have justified mass murder. It's also worth noting that Jews aren't monolithic. They come in a variety of shades, as to politics and interpretations of their religion.

As to the present, the quest is to survive while many in their part of the world feel they should pack up and leave immediately. The threats are from outside, thus they have set up breaches and courted alliances. Currently the greatest terrorist threat the US is facing is from within.

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

By the way there's nothing new about all these global Jewish conspiracy theories. They've been in the bigot's hip pocket for centuries, and are particularly useful for luring in the angry and ill educated, who are most vulnerable to embracing sweeping stereotypes and conclusions. Then there's also a few pseudo intellectuals like the failed academic E. Michael Jones. Though a guy like that still needs a sucker.

Here we have him speaking on the election and predicting that Trump would prevail in the courts, uh no. He also has all the George Soros conspiracy theories going. He's the coffee house David Duke.

You could pick ice with that nose, looks like Pat Robertson with crypt keeper eyes. And that cardigan sweater? Mr Rogers is turning in his grave. LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubczoEAv5is&t=3s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2542737]
[URL]https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/E-Michael-Jones.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Glad to have introduced you to Dr. Jones. You're welcome. Your friends at the ADL will be happy to tell you how to think. Their definition of anti-semite'sm: Anything we don't like! You've internalized their message.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2542762]The Jews are naturally defensive given all the persecutions they've been the brunt of throughout the centuries. Much of this has been a simple reaction to the fact that they. It's also worth noting that Jews aren't monolithic. They come in a variety of shades, as to politics and interpretations of their religion.[/QUOTE]You might be naturally defensive yourself, if you had treated someone in a way you yourself would not wish to be treated, and were fearful of being called out on it. There's a little thing that explains how this works -- you may have heard of it: it's called The Golden Rule.

So, we have immigration being forced on people who don't want it, immigration on others being promoted by people who don't want it imposed on themselves. Get it? Can you see how this works?

No group of people is (as you say) 'monolithic. ' Why just look at those people in the Capitol on 6 January -- the insurrectionists, the domestic terrorists -- one of them, Jacob in the fur and horns costume.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2540337]"There are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay." Well, duh.

But few Americans would be able to afford a tomato, a head of lettuce, an apple or a chicken if fair wages were paid to the people doing the picking or cutting.

That's the problem with you Republicants. You use the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument to ban immigrants then argue that Americans would do these jobs if the pay was better but argue against raising the minimum wage.

But NO, Americans will not do those jobs. The work is too damned hard. I'll bet YOU never picked lettuce or cabbage or strawberries, did you? Day after day in the hot sun? Of course not. The work is too hard. Why else are "the trades" in most cities begging for apprentices? The work is too hard and / or dirty, that's why.[/QUOTE]We have 11,000,000 illegals in USA now. Why aren't some of them picking the vegetables? How many vegetable pickers do we need 100,000,000? 200,000,000?

These illegal vegetable pickers are going to be staying in hotels now on government subsistence validating tax payers millions of dollars. These millions of dollars would buy Americans plenty of expensive imported vegetables.

Flooding the USA with unskilled laborers, cartels, gangs, traffickers can't even make sense for the stupidest liberals. Releasing thousands of illegals with Covid into the population contradicts the liberal policies of their own states. Do you think these illegals all have the vaccine and are all wearing masks and social distancing? 28 illegals in a van pretty much explains their concept of social distancing.

Do you really believe this is good for USA citizens? Are you really this stupid?

[QUOTE=Canada;2543046]We have 11,000,000 illegals in USA now. Why aren't some of them picking the vegetables? How many vegetable pickers do we need 100,000,000? 200,000,000?

These illegal vegetable pickers are going to be staying in hotels now on government subsistence validating tax payers millions of dollars. These millions of dollars would buy Americans plenty of expensive imported vegetables.

Flooding the USA with unskilled laborers, cartels, gangs, traffickers can't even make sense for the stupidest liberals. Releasing thousands of illegals with Covid into the population contradicts the liberal policies of their own states. Do you think these illegals all have the vaccine and are all wearing masks and social distancing? 28 illegals in a van pretty much explains their concept of social distancing.

Do you really believe this is good for USA citizens? Are you really this stupid?[/QUOTE]The typical RepubliCANT deflection response.

You people view the world as "The US is white and christian and if you aren't then you aren't welcome." The sad thing is that 74+ million voters believe like you do. I hope every white male you know owns property because several states are considering legislation that restricts voting to white male property owners.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2543179]The typical RepubliCANT deflection response.

You people view the world as "The US is white and christian and if you aren't then you aren't welcome." The sad thing is that 74+ million voters believe like you do. I hope every white male you know owns property because several states are considering legislation that restricts voting to white male property owners.[/QUOTE]What has this got to do with white or Christians This has to do with not protecting our borders. There is not another country in the world that allows this kind of immigration.

Are you telling me that every country in the world is racist?

Do you really think that every person crossing the border illegally is coming to pick vegetables?

Do you really think that because Biden is president that the drugs have stopped coming across the border and human trafficking is not real?

Do you really think that the tax payers of USA should be paying $86,000,000 for hotel rooms for these illegal people? Biden just approved this today!

Please give me your answers on these 4 questions. Please note a suitable answer is not that white people are racist.

Do you have any of your thoughts on these questions or are you just going to ignore these like Biden ignores the border crises.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2543197]All of them were white with IQ's below 70.
Just like everyone in your family and from your hometown.[/QUOTE]Here ya go:

[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/fbi-raids-home-of-orthodox-jewish-son-of-new-york-judge-over-capitol-riot-1.9447361[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2543264]Here ya go:

[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/fbi-raids-home-of-orthodox-jewish-son-of-new-york-judge-over-capitol-riot-1.9447361[/URL][/QUOTE]Glad you agree with my earlier assessment.

That's a picture of your son or brother?

[QUOTE=Canada;2543046]We have 11,000,000 illegals in USA now. Why aren't some of them picking the vegetables? How many vegetable pickers do we need 100,000,000? 200,000,000?

These illegal vegetable pickers are going to be staying in hotels now on government subsistence validating tax payers millions of dollars. These millions of dollars would buy Americans plenty of expensive imported vegetables.

Flooding the USA with unskilled laborers, cartels, gangs, traffickers can't even make sense for the stupidest liberals. Releasing thousands of illegals with Covid into the population contradicts the liberal policies of their own states. Do you think these illegals all have the vaccine and are all wearing masks and social distancing? 28 illegals in a van pretty much explains their concept of social distancing.

Do you really believe this is good for USA citizens? Are you really this stupid?[/QUOTE]There are way more than 11 m illegals. That "official" number has been the same for decades. In reality it's probably 30 m or more, all from the third world with an average IQ in the 80's. This means that over 80% of them will always vote for leftwing parties who promise more welfare handouts and open borders for their amigos back home to come in and join the gravy train (funded by taxpayers of course). The democrats intend to let all of them vote, legally or otherwise, and turn the whole country into the one-party state shithole that California has become.

You're quite right to dismiss the old leftist canard of "but who will pick muh vegetables"? Less than 1% of illegals pick vegetables. Far more receive welfare of various forms, engage in crime, and undercut Americans in jobs they do want to do.

[QUOTE=Canada;2543226]What has this got to do with white or Christians This has to do with not protecting our borders. There is not another country in the world that allows this kind of immigration.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, countries in Western Europe also allow this kind of lunatic-tier third world immigration, especially in the past few years since Gadaffi was removed (he used to block the illegal migrants from Africa) and the so-called Syrian refugees (most of whom are actually from Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, wherever). All of it under pressure from Zionist media, financial and political organisations, as discussed earlier.

There are areas of cities in Western European countries which have become ungovernable, and are effectively controlled by migrant criminal gangs and radical Islamists. There are regular riots, burnings and mortar firework attacks on police in urban areas, not to mention an epidemic of are a p e and assault targeting European women. This is kept largely out of the media for the reason I mentioned above, unless one of the rioters is severely injured or killed while attacking police and then there is blanket George Floyd-style coverage about "racism". Soros-funded organisations and other Jewish interests always lobby intensely on behalf of the migrants.

Western Europe is still 80% white, but declining rapidly. The migrant problems are getting bigger and worse, which will continue to happen as their numbers grow. If anyone from Poland, Hungary or the rest of Eastern Europe is reading this, please do everything you can to save yourselves, maintain your borders, and do not make the same mistakes that Western Europe has made (or rather allowed to be imposed on them).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2542762] particularly useful for luring in the angry and ill educated[/QUOTE]Whereas the average BLM rioter / antifa tranny burning and looting cities and attacking federal courthouses and the White House for the last year is a calm, rational, scientific PhD holder with an IQ upward of 140.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2542762]Someone gave the green light and the Anti-Semites are scurrying out of the woodwork at break neck speed.[/QUOTE]It's funny how the ultra-right and ultra-left can disagree about everything, but 2 tenets are sacred for all of them.

1. Anti-Semitism masquerading as Anti-Zionism.

2. Mad hatred for Soros.

I can't for the life of me understand why this crowd is so maniacal about Soros, as if there are no other rich Jewish philanthropists. I'm sure someone had to give the green light to that madness at some point in history.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2543367]There are way more than 11 m illegals. That "official" number has been the same for decades. In reality it's probably 30 m or more, all from the third world with an average IQ in the 80's. This means that over 80% of them will always vote for leftwing parties who promise more welfare handouts and open borders for their amigos back home to come in and join the gravy train (funded by taxpayers of course). The democrats intend to let all of them vote, legally or otherwise, and turn the whole country into the one-party state shithole that California has become.

You're quite right to dismiss the old leftist canard of "but who will pick muh vegetables"? Less than 1% of illegals pick vegetables. Far more receive welfare of various forms, engage in crime, and undercut Americans in jobs they do want to do.[/QUOTE]Please tell me which Democratic politician (s) have ever said "I am for open borders. "

But be careful with your answer. Remember that you are also arguing that Trump didn't cause an insurrection because he didn't use specific words.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2543384]It's funny how the ultra-right and ultra-left can disagree about everything, but 2 tenets are sacred for all of them.

1. Anti-Semitism masquerading as Anti-Zionism.

2. Mad hatred for Soros.

I can't for the life of me understand why this crowd is so maniacal about Soros, as if there are no other rich Jewish philanthropists. I'm sure someone had to give the green light to that madness at some point in history.[/QUOTE]And again it's nothing new at all. It all well predates Zionism, goes back at least to the Middle Ages and tends to gain traction in times of heightened uncertainty and unrest, and notably like the present. That's whether it's sweeping characterizations of Jewish capitalists or communists (take your pick), religious or atheists, or "the Jewish media" with any and all sorts of kooky and diabolic schemes up their sleeves. It gives the frustrated something to shake their finger at, or con men a rallying cry, whether they are after political power or customers for their strident and bigoted books. The internet of course gives this all extra legs.

[URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/anti-semitism-lurks-behind-modern-conspiracy-theories-1.4485495[/URL]

P.S. The idea of Zionism was to give a homeland to a people that had for many centuries lived as persecuted minorities throughout Europe. Also Israel isn't the only ethnic state around with an official religion. Many Islamic countries also are, and you can add Costa Rica, Argentina, Demnark and Iceland. Israel also contains 20% minorities that enjoy all the rights as Israeli citizens. Like most anywhere absolute equality doesn't exist in actual practice, however a legal basis exists for minority rights.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2543495]Please tell me which Democratic politician (s) have ever said "I am for open borders. "[/QUOTE]The favorite fallacy of all, the straw man is back.

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2543495]Please tell me which Democratic politician (s) have ever said "I am for open borders. "

But be careful with your answer. Remember that you are also arguing that Trump didn't cause an insurrection because he didn't use specific words.[/QUOTE]The democrats do exactly as you have just done. They never say they want open borders but they want open immigration. I ask you a question and like a typical liberal you don't answer the question but just ask another question.

Do you think every illegal is coming to USA to pick vegetables?

We have 11,000,000 plus illegals here now that are unskilled labor. Do we need more? Maybe 100,000,000?

Liberal cities can't look after the homeless citizens that are here now. These illegals are all homeless now but Biden is spending $86,000,000 this month to put them in hotels. Do you really agree with this type of immigration?

Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you have to answer these posts from a liberal handbook.

Some of the 11,000,000 , we assume, are good people paying taxes, paying rent, buying homes and consuming goods produced in China.

[QUOTE=Canada;2543551]The democrats do exactly as you have just done. They never say they want open borders but they want open immigration...
...have to answer these posts from a liberal handbook.[/QUOTE]The real driver of mass illegal immigration in the US have been the tacit policies of the Republicans, which are pro corporate agriculture and anti-union. If you are old enough, you will remember that labor unions were a powerful force in the US from the 1930's to the 70's. As an example, the Meat Cutters Union was powerful politically, employed tens of thousands of (overweight) white men, and paid high wages. That union was destroyed by mass, low skill immigration from Mexico and Central America. Instead of the thousands of high paying jobs, we now essentially have slave labor. Did that make meat any cheaper for consumers? No, it simply increased the profits for the meat producers. The same process has been used to crush other unions in the US. Republicans may talk tough about immigrations, but they have universally resisted any policies that would stop or limit it, namely mandatory verification of social security numbers. Employers have to collect I-9's on new employees, but (by law) there is really no means to verify identity, and there is no punishment if they employ illegals. There are millions working here illegally with phony ID's and SSN's: picking vegetables, butchering chickens, painting houses, whatever, but there is no punishment for employers. This is by design of the capital class.

Democrats claim to be the party of the working class. Illegal immigration clearly harms their lower class constituents; however, they have been complicit in allowing illegal immigration because they believe (mistakenly, as evinced by the last election) that allowing this will appease the latino base. Also, they are simply moral weaklings.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2543610]The same process has been used to crush other unions in the US. Republicans may talk tough about immigrations, but they have universally resisted any policies that would stop or limit it, namely mandatory verification of social security numbers. Employers have to collect I-9's on new employees, but (by law) there is really no means to verify identity, and there is no punishment if they employ illegals. There are millions working here illegally with phony ID's and SSN's: picking vegetables, butchering chickens, painting houses, whatever, but there is no punishment for employers. This is by design of the capital class. [/QUOTE]Much of what you've said simply isn't true, while it's all overly simplistic.

Unions have played a big part in their own demise, by driving up wages to the point where someone makes as much sweeping up chicken guts as many skilled workers who have invested in higher education. In a word they are overpaid, and companies have had reasons to look elsewhere. Plus unemployment compensation goes far to disincentivize negotiations.

And, especially from the 90's onward there has been increased demand for unskilled workers, like cooks, landscaping, domestic servants, roofing, all varieties of shit jobs and even fatboys (to use your word) to pack meat, this as we have shifted more to a tech related, service based economy. Immigrants have responded to the demand, just as they have in other periods of US history.

As to employers hiring illegals, there's a legit concern about turning businesses into immigration cops. But I-9's are a legal requirement. Matches are done through the SSA, and if there's a discrepancy, time is allotted to resolve it as there can be other reasons for such besides falsified documents. And yes there are penalties for knowingly hiring or maintaining the employment of illegals, civil, then criminal for habitual offenders. And since this is the US, with the beyond a reasonable doubt, and in this case, "knowingly" requirement criminal prosecutions have been rare, though not non-existent. Such is one of the prices of freedom, where the standard of proof are very high. Yet here's two successful criminal cases, one from the Obama era and one from Trump. Fines are far more common. You can argue that more needs to be invested in enforcement, more federal involvement as opposed to state, but to say there is no punishment for employing illegals is simply false.

[URL]https://www.wdam.com/story/14136943/howard-industries-pleads-guilty-on-immigration-raid/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/hr-topics/talent-acquisition/pages/ice-worksite-raid-aggressive-immigration-enforcement.aspx[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2543610]Democrats... Also, they are simply moral weaklings.[/QUOTE]Whatever bro. Anyone in here like yourself with this Marxist whining about "the capital class" is a moral weakling as far as I'm concerned. Study, work hard, save, indulge less, and become a member of the "capital class. " It takes some guts and discipline but is well worth it.

[URL]https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/legal-requirements-and-enforcement/penalties[/URL]

[URL]https://ogletree.com/insights/employer-obligations-under-the-u-s-immigration-laws/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/hr-topics/talent-acquisition/Pages/Do-Employers-Face-Consequences-Hiring-Unauthorized-Workers.aspx[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2543384]It's funny how the ultra-right and ultra-left can disagree about everything, but 2 tenets are sacred for all of
I can't for the life of me understand why this crowd is so maniacal about Soros, I'm sure someone had to give the green light to that madness at some point in history.[/QUOTE]If funny how the right and left can disagree about everything, but when AIPAC has their conference or the PM of Israel shows up at the US Congress wanting something, all your American elected officials jump up and applaud like clapping seals. And they'd better, and they know it, or else their election financing will dry up and they'll be targeted in their next primary.

Who for the life of them can understand why anyone wouldn't think the concerted action of a special interest group giving a green light to that madness would have anything to do with this.

Tennessee slaughterhouse owner was in fact charged with hiring illegals and other offenses. Took a plea and was given 18 months.

[URL]https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/40866408/exowner-of-tennessee-meatpacking-plant-targeted-in-mass-ice-raid-sentenced-to-18-months-in-prison[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2543551]The democrats do exactly as you have just done. They never say they want open borders but they want open immigration.[/QUOTE]This is as false as the statements of John Clayton, the guy you are debating. Yet I'm never surprised when there's plenty of BS to go around. I think some of this is reflective of the age of Trump, with the idea that "saying it's so makes it so. " Well no it doesn't. That's how he managed to rack up 20,000 plus lies over his four years in office.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2543610]The real driver of mass illegal immigration in the US have been the tacit policies of the Republicans, which are pro corporate agriculture and anti-union. If you are old enough, you will remember that labor unions were a powerful force in the US from the 1930's to the 70's. As an example, the Meat Cutters Union was powerful politically, employed tens of thousands of (overweight) white men, and paid high wages. That union was destroyed by mass, low skill immigration from Mexico and Central America. Instead of the thousands of high paying jobs, we now essentially have slave labor. Did that make meat any cheaper for consumers? No, it simply increased the profits for the meat producers. The same process has been used to crush other unions in the US. Republicans may talk tough about immigrations, but they have universally resisted any policies that would stop or limit it, namely mandatory verification of social security numbers. Employers have to collect I-9's on new employees, but (by law) there is really no means to verify identity, and there is no punishment if they employ illegals. There are millions working here illegally with phony ID's and SSN's: picking vegetables, butchering chickens, painting houses, whatever, but there is no punishment for employers. This is by design of the capital class.

Democrats claim to be the party of the working class. Illegal immigration clearly harms their lower class constituents; however, they have been complicit in allowing illegal immigration because they believe (mistakenly, as evinced by the last election) that allowing this will appease the latino base. Also, they are simply moral weaklings.[/QUOTE]There is a dirty, corrupt collusion between Democrat and Republican elites on illegals. The Democrats want them for the votes; and the Republican donor / Chamber of Commerce elites want them for the reasons John Clayton mentioned: forcing down wages and increasing profits, power and control of the elites. The endless wars is another: it allows Washington to keep funding arms manufacturers to bomb caves and warehouses in the desert for no apparent purpose: and those same manufacturers fund political campaigns, give jobs to their kids, etc.

This is (yet another) example of the establishment Washington collusion against the interests of the American people. Nancy Pelosi gets more votes, GOP donors get more money, but Joe Sixpack gets screwed. Which is why he voted for Trump. Which is why the establishment had to create this whole covid hoax mail-in voting fraud with 100's of 1000's of Biden votes showing up at 4 am in democrat cities where republican observers have been kicked out of the counting halls.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2543384]
I can't for the life of me understand why this crowd is so maniacal about Soros, as if there are no other rich Jewish philanthropists.[/QUOTE]"Philanthropist". LOL. He literally funds the invasion of Europe by illegal low IQ Africans and Middle Eastern Muslims, 90% of them unskilled fighting age men. He funds their transit, he funds the NGOs and lawyers who prevent us from sending them home and ensure they get to live on welfare indefinitely.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2543604]Some of the 11,000,000 , we assume, are good people paying taxes, paying rent, buying homes and consuming goods produced in China.[/QUOTE]30,000,000.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2543515] Israel also contains 20% minorities that enjoy all the rights as Israeli citizens.[/QUOTE]Firstly, "Israel" (aka Palestine) should contain 50% Arabs, but the majority of them were forcibly ethnically cleansed by Jewish terrorist militia in 1947/48 (the same terrorists. Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir who clew up the King David Hotel and murdered many British administrators, and were then elected prime ministers), and many more forced out in the 1967 war. Any other country which commits ethnic cleansing get censured, attacked, sanctioned, etc. Israel gets away with it because.

As for the minority of Arabs who were able to avoid the ethnic cleansing and become Israeli-Arabs, they do *not* enjoy the same rights as Israeli Jews. Most benefits and rights in Israeli society are (deliberately) linked to military service, and the majority of Arabs are barred by race from military service so they lose out and are discriminated against. There is a special exemption for religious Jews who refuse to serve in the military so that they still receive these benefits, but there is no such exemption for Arabs.

In addition, in the (illegal) Jewish settlements contructed against international law on occupied land in the West Bank, Israeli Arabs are prohibited by race. The only people permitted to live there are Jews.

As others have said, if any other country did any of this, they would be attacked in media, sanctioned, condemned, possibly even invaded. Israel, by contrast, receives billions of dollars a year and aid from the USA. Why the strange dichotomy?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2543495]Please tell me which Democratic politician (s) have ever said "I am for open borders. "

But be careful with your answer. Remember that you are also arguing that Trump didn't cause an insurrection because he didn't use specific words.[/QUOTE]Of course they didn't openly say it because they know that the vast majority of Americans don't want it. They just did it. Just look at California: 90% white to 40% white in under half a century. All given cover by the fake news media.

As for an "insurrection" - LOL. Some people were allowed into the Capitol by police, took some selfies and left. Unlike a BLM / antifa riot, nothing was burned or looted, and the only person killed was shot by a policeman.

Quite a difference really: unarmed Ashli Babbitt was shot to death by a cop while committing trespass: media silence. Multiple violent felon George Floyd died of a fentanyl / meth overdose while resisting arrest for a new felony: media shrieks and demands end of civilisation.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2543700]As for an "insurrection" - LOL. Some people were allowed into the Capitol by police, took some selfies and left. Unlike a BLM / antifa riot, nothing was burned or looted, and the only person killed was shot by a policeman.[/QUOTE]If you want to idolize the January 6th Trump Thugs.

You will get numerous trials to watch and enjoy.

I will just read the headlines when guilty verdicts and jail sentences are handed out.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2543672]If funny how the right and left can disagree about everything, but when AIPAC has their conference or the PM of Israel shows up at the US Congress wanting something, all your American elected officials jump up and applaud like clapping seals. And they'd better, and they know it, or else their election financing will dry up and they'll be targeted in their next primary.
[/QUOTE]More than the election financing. The mainstream media, which is owned and controlled almost entirely by members of the AIPAC tribe, will start to attack any official who refuses to jump and applaud like a clapping seal and lavish praise on their opponents. A case in point is Senator William Fulbright: he was a long-serving and high profile figure, but when he criticised the subservience of the US Congress to Israel he was destroyed by the Zionist lobby via its media / finance arm which starved him of funding and attacked him relentlessly so that he lost his 1974 primary.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2543816]More than the election financing. The mainstream media, which is owned and controlled almost entirely by members of the AIPAC tribe, will start to attack any official who refuses to jump and applaud like a clapping seal and lavish praise on their opponents. A case in point is Senator William Fulbright: he was a long-serving and high profile figure, but when he criticised the subservience of the US Congress to Israel he was destroyed by the Zionist lobby via its media / finance arm which starved him of funding and attacked him relentlessly so that he lost his 1974 primary.[/QUOTE]The extent to which this happens has been noted. A special interest group doing this subverts and makes a mockery of Democracy. While it might be technically permitted, cabalistic collective action by a group (such as Aipac, for an example) seemingly violates the spirit of the intent of the Constitutional Founders. And to do it on behalf of a foreign country would appear by objective standard to be treasonous, unless of course the people doing it are merely exercising their Special Privilege, which would make it even worse as they are the ones in the forefront denouncing so-called White Privilege.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2543700]Of course they didn't openly say it because they know that the vast majority of Americans don't want it. They just did it. Just look at California: 90% white to 40% white in under half a century. All given cover by the fake news media.

As for an "insurrection" - LOL. Some people were allowed into the Capitol by police, took some selfies and left. Unlike a BLM / antifa riot, nothing was burned or looted, and the only person killed was shot by a policeman.

Quite a difference really: unarmed Ashli Babbitt was shot to death by a cop while committing trespass: media silence. Multiple violent felon George Floyd died of a fentanyl / meth overdose while resisting arrest for a new felony: media shrieks and demands end of civilisation.[/QUOTE]So, just like that, you have admitted that Trump is responsible for the insurrection. He didn't say anything specifically but 90% of the rally-goers wanted to attack so they did.

Yes, "some" people did what you said. But many were yelling "Hang Mike Pence", many were spraying bear spray, many were beating Capitol Poline with poles, sticks, etc. Where were all of the Republican politicians? Why weren't they outside trying to restore order? Because they were hiding under their desks and filling their pants.

FYI, as many BLM protesters committed violence as insurrectionists just took selfies and left.

Mexican President Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador blamed President Joe Biden's immigration policies for the crisis at the southern border during a Tuesday press conference.

"Expectations were created that with the Government of President Biden there would be better treatment of migrants," Lopez Obrador said. "And this has caused Central American migrants, and also from our country, wanting to cross the border thinking that it is easier to do so."

Biden's administration, however, has blamed the Trump administration for the crisis at the border despite rolling back Trump-era policies meant to curb illegal immigration. . . Biden halted construction of the border wall, placed a 100-day moratorium on deportations and ended Trump's "Remain in Mexico" policy.

Biden has since suggested his administration would be re-establishing the "Remain in Mexico" policy, which forces migrants seeking asylum to remain in Mexico while their asylum claims were processed.

Since Biden took office, a large influx of migrants, including unaccompanied children, have arrived at the border and overwhelmed facilities. . ."

Dailycaller dot com.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2543811]If you want to idolize the January 6th Trump Thugs.

You will get numerous trials to watch and enjoy.

I will just read the headlines when guilty verdicts and jail sentences are handed out.[/QUOTE]Numerous trials after an event in which there were no casualties (except an unarmed protester who was shot by police) and no damage aside from a couple of broken windows. For that, there is a vast nationwide witchhunt and showtrials.

By contrast, after a year of rioting, burning and looting by blacks and communists, which cost many lives and over $2 bn of damage, the perpetrators are let off with no charge. Where is the nationwide hunt for the people who attacked and burned the federal courthouses and attempted to attack the White House itself, injuring over 50 Secret Service personnel?

When the law is unevenly applied, with certain people persecuted and overcharged and others let of scot-free depending on their political persuasion, we have entered banana republic territory. This will not end well.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2543695]"Philanthropist". LOL. He literally funds the invasion of Europe by illegal low IQ Africans and Middle Eastern Muslims, 90% of them unskilled fighting age men. He funds their transit, he funds the NGOs and lawyers who prevent us from sending them home and ensure they get to live on welfare indefinitely.[/QUOTE]Literally, huh? Alright.

Show me a reliable source (no, Matt Gaetz or Donnie Jr don't qualify) that this garbage you're spewing is not a bunch of old, tired lies.

Should be easy, don't ya think?

But hold on a minute. I'll even give you a head start.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2018/10/31/george-soros-and-migrant-caravan-how-lie-multiplied-online/1824633002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2543855]So, just like that, you have admitted that Trump is responsible for the insurrection. He didn't say anything specifically but 90% of the rally-goers wanted to attack so they did.

Yes, "some" people did what you said. But many were yelling "Hang Mike Pence", many were spraying bear spray, many were beating Capitol Poline with poles, sticks, etc. Where were all of the Republican politicians? Why weren't they outside trying to restore order? Because they were hiding under their desks and filling their pants.

FYI, as many BLM protesters committed violence as insurrectionists just took selfies and left.[/QUOTE]I have "admitted" nothing of the sort. To have gleaned that information from what I wrote, you must have a very low IQ indeed.

So what if people were yelling slogans. Leftists shout and tweet violent threats all the time with no repercussions. They didn't carry out any actions. The huge group of people that entered the Capitol did not kill, burn or loot anyone or anything, which is more than you can say for the black / communist riots of the past year.

There is ample footage showing Capitol police waving the protesters forward, opening the doors and standing aside for them to enter the Capitol. There was no damage done aside from a couple of broken windows. There were no law enforcement personnel killed or even significantly injured. It was a genuinely peaceful protest against the fraudulent election.

If it had been an "insurrection", they would have brought weapons; huge numbers of people on both sides would have been killed; and they would have occupied the Capitol indefinitely. None of those things happened (there were no firearms recovered at all) because it was only an "insurrection" in the fantasy narrative of the leftist / globalist fake news media. In reality it was a peaceful protest by American patriots against a stolen election.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2543672]If funny how the right and left can disagree about everything, but when AIPAC has their conference or the PM of Israel shows up at the US Congress wanting something, all your American elected officials jump up and applaud like clapping seals. And they'd better, and they know it, or else their election financing will dry up and they'll be targeted in their next primary.

Who for the life of them can understand why anyone wouldn't think the concerted action of a special interest group giving a green light to that madness would have anything to do with this.[/QUOTE]Perhaps because supporting Israel, which is not just the only democracy, but also our only true friend and ally in that super-volatile part of the world is a no-brainer?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544039]Literally, huh? Alright.

Show me a reliable source (no, Matt Gaetz or Donnie Jr don't qualify) that this garbage you're spewing is not a bunch of old, tired lies.
[/QUOTE]Ah, the old "reliable source" fake news canard. Any information that goes against the fake news leftist / globalist media agenda, they call "unreliable". Nobody falls for the scam any more, son. That's why the mainstream (fake news) media has the lowest ratings of trust in its history, and falling daily.

For any serious and impartial readers who are interested in the truth (so not Xpartan), here is a forensic analysis of some of the many organisations funded by the multi-billionaire Soros which facilitate the invasion of the West by unwanted third world migrants, most of whom are unskilled fighting age men (as well as pushing other unpopular globalist / leftist causes such as releasing violent felons from prison, climate change, censorship and restriction of free speech, etc): [URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/2020/06/organizations-funded-by-george-soros-and-his-open-society-foundations[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544045]Perhaps because supporting Israel, which is not just the only democracy, but also our only true friend and ally in that super-volatile part of the world is a no-brainer?[/QUOTE]If it is our "true friend and ally", why have Israeli troops never fought alongside American troops in any war, ever? Why did Israel attack and destroy the USS Liberty in 1967? Why does Israel take several billion dollars a year from the USA in economic and military aid, including cutting edge technology which it then sells on to China? Why does Israel spy on the US, most notably through Jonathan Pollard?

Yup, a true friend and ally.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2544048]If it is our "true friend and ally", why have Israeli troops never fought alongside American troops in any war, ever? Why did Israel attack and destroy the USS Liberty in 1967? Why does Israel take several billion dollars a year from the USA in economic and military aid, including cutting edge technology which it then sells on to China? Why does Israel spy on the US, most notably through Jonathan Pollard?

Yup, a true friend and ally.[/QUOTE]Chris,

Just to make sure I get this correctly: what you are saying is that Trump had this completely backwards?

"My administration will always stand in solidarity with our Jewish brothers and sisters, and we will always stand strong with our cherished friend and partner, the state of Israel."

[URL]https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-stands-americas-cherished-ally-israel/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2544047]...Nobody falls for the scam any more, son. ..[URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/2020/06/organizations-funded-by-george-soros-and-his-open-society-foundations[/URL].[/QUOTE]In fact, you are the victim of the scam, son. [URL]themilleniumreport.com[/URL] is more than a tinfoil hat, conspiracy site -- it is owned and operated by the Russian government. Don't think so? Try and find out who owns it then. Try and find a real reporter who writes for it. Complain all you want about the NYT or the WP, but we know who owns them. Every major article, certainly every opinion piece, iin them s signed by a real human being. In contrast, every single article in your source originates in a Russian disinformation factory. Don't think so? Then show one single, real person who writes for them. Every article they publish is pro-Russia (or Syria), or designed to weaken the United States and the West. If you support and promulgate this site, then you are either Russian dupe, or a traitor to the US.

George Soros is a 90 year old man who escaped the Nazis in WWII. He funds a single foundation, which promotes open, democratic societies. The twisted George Soros conspiracy theories are simply a cover for anti-semitism. These theories are Russian disinformation and propaganda.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2544070]In fact, you are the victim of the scam, son. [URL]themilleniumreport.com[/URL] is more than a tinfoil hat, conspiracy site -- it is owned and operated by the Russian government. Don't think so? Try and find out who owns it then. Try and find a real reporter who writes for it. Complain all you want about the NYT or the WP, but we know who owns them. [/QUOTE]As I said, son, you've fallen for the "reliable sources" scam again. The forensic analysis in the link I gave you is all correct. Soros the multibillionaire funds all of the leftist / globalist organisations listed (and more), which push unwanted mass third world immigration, censorship and restriction of free speech, climate change hysteria, and other parts of unpopular leftist / globalist agenda. Instead of responding to or refuting the points made and the facts presented (because you can't), you shriek "it wasn't written by a 'real journalist! Whatever that is.

In fact, what you would consider "real journalists" are flacks who follow the agenda of the leftist / globalist fake news media. If they don't they get fired from their failing legacy media outlets, as happened recently to Glenn Greenwald, who is a real journalist. Regardless, look at the information and answer it. Play the ball, not the man.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2544112]As I said, son, you've fallen for the "reliable sources" scam again. The forensic analysis in the link I gave you is all correct. Soros the multibillionaire funds all of the leftist / globalist organisations listed (and more), which push unwanted mass third world immigration, censorship and restriction of free speech, climate change hysteria, and other parts of unpopular leftist / globalist agenda. Instead of responding to or refuting the points made and the facts presented (because you can't), you shriek "it wasn't written by a 'real journalist! Whatever that is.

In fact, what you would consider "real journalists" are flacks who follow the agenda of the leftist / globalist fake news media. If they don't they get fired from their failing legacy media outlets, as happened recently to Glenn Greenwald, who is a real journalist. Regardless, look at the information and answer it. Play the ball, not the man.[/QUOTE]Very well said. At least there are a few people left that possess the ability to remove their head from their ass. Still waiting to hear from all of those Biden supporters about the great things he has done so far.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2544112]...
In fact, what you would consider "real journalists" ...[/QUOTE]I'm not asking for a journalism school grad or anything like that -- just a real person. These articles are written by some guy at Glavset in Leningrad. I know there is no reaching you, but please, ask yourself who wrote the article? What country does he actually live in? Is there a picture of him? The Russians have been practicing advanced propaganda for over 100 years -- they are very good at it, and have tapped into our propensity to believe anything.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2544070]In fact, you are the victim of the scam, son. [/QUOTE]This man is hardly a victim. He's a willing promoter of extreme lies and paranoia. In another post he claims that the attack against the USS Liberty in 1967 (for which Israel apologized and paid millions in damages) was deliberate; you have to be a complete and hopeless kook, provocateur, or both to claim that Israel would've deliberately attacked a military ship of its most important ally in the world -- why on earth would they have ever done that?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2544070][URL]themilleniumreport.com[/URL] is more than a tinfoil hat, conspiracy site -- it is owned and operated by the Russian government. Don't think so? Try and find out who owns it then. Try and find a real reporter who writes for it. Complain all you want about the NYT or the WP, but we know who owns them. Every major article, certainly every opinion piece, iin them s signed by a real human being. In contrast, every single article in your source originates in a Russian disinformation factory. Don't think so? Then show one single, real person who writes for them. Every article they publish is pro-Russia (or Syria), or designed to weaken the United States and the West. If you support and promulgate this site, then you are either Russian dupe, or a traitor to the US.

George Soros is a 90 year old man who escaped the Nazis in WWII. He funds a single foundation, which promotes open, democratic societies. The twisted George Soros conspiracy theories are simply a cover for anti-semitism. These theories are Russian disinformation and propaganda.[/QUOTE]The so-called Millennium Report is published by the so-called Discover the Networks (whatever that's supposed to mean) run by the David Horowitz so-called Freedom Center. According to [URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/discover-the-networks[/URL] is a questionable source:

[QUOTE]A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate Discover the Networks far-right in bias and Questionable due to the use of poor sources, the promotion of propaganda related to Islam, the use of poor sources, and third party designation as a potential hate group.[/QUOTE]The detailed report is in the link.

I'm done with him. People like ChrisP are incapable of having a serious and honest dialogue, and it's not my job to educate him against his will.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2544119]I'm not asking for a journalism school grad or anything like that -- just a real person. These articles are written by some guy at Glavset in Leningrad. I know there is no reaching you, but please, ask yourself who wrote the article? What country does he actually live in? Is there a picture of him? The Russians have been practicing advanced propaganda for over 100 years -- they are very good at it, and have tapped into our propensity to believe anything.[/QUOTE]Once again, what matters is whether the facts are correct or not. And they are. Soros the multibillionaire does indeed fund all of the globalist / leftist groups listed in the article, and more, pushing mass third world immigration, climate change hysteria, censorship and restriction of free speech, and the rest of the unpopular globalist / leftist agenda. That is what you should be focusing on.

But of course you and your ilk don't want to focus on the factual reality of the above, so you start spouting conspiracies about who happened to publish the facts. Firstly, there is no evidence it was from Russia, just like there was no evidence of the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory despite three years of the democrats and fake news pushing it. Secondly, it doesn't matter anyway: what matters are the facts contained in the article. They are correct. Go research them and find one which is incorrect. You can't. Which brings us back to my correct point that Soros is funding the mass invasion of the West by third world unskilled fighting age men.

In fact, having just read Xpartan's latest serving of turgid fake news wordsludge, it appears that the website in question is run by the David Horowitz Freedom Centre, which is entirely American, not Russian at all. Thanks for that, Xpartan! So, John Clayton, now that your buddy Xpartan has proven false your assertion that the website is run by "some guy in Leningrad", will you be willing to man up and offer an apology and retraction?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544120]This man is hardly a victim. He's a willing promoter of extreme lies and paranoia. In another post he claims that the attack against the USS Liberty in 1967 (for which Israel apologized and paid millions in damages) was deliberate; you have to be a complete and hopeless kook, provocateur, or both to claim that Israel would've deliberately attacked a military ship of its most important ally in the world -- why on earth would they have ever done that?

The so-called Millennium Report is published by the so-called Discover the Networks (whatever that's supposed to mean) run by the David Horowitz so-called Freedom Center. According to https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/discover-the-networks is a questionable source:
[/QUOTE]Why did Israel attack the USS Liberty? Because it was conducting surveillance on the illegal activities of their military during the Six Day war.

As for the so-called "Mediabiasfactcheck"? LOL. Globo-leftist propaganda site. I wouldn't be surprised to find that was funded by Soros too. Or another of his globalist ilk.

But thanks for confirming that the Millennium Report is indeed an entirely American-run site with nothing to do with Russia, debunking the silly conspiracy theory of John Clayton.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544045]Perhaps because supporting Israel, which is not just the only democracy, but also our only true friend and ally in that super-volatile part of the world is a no-brainer?[/QUOTE]With friends like Israel, who needs enemies?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2544179]With friends like Israel, who needs enemies?[/QUOTE]Funny I mentioned Jonathan Pollard last week; he was in the news this week from his home in Israel, where he was given a hero's welcome following his prison sentence for espionage against the USA. He gave an interview stating that Jews will always have dual loyalties, and called on American Jews to follow in his footsteps and spy for Israel. [URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-blunt-interview-pollard-claims-jews-will-always-have-dual-loyalty/[/URL].

On another note, John Clayton has been awfully quiet since his assertion that the Millennium Report is run by "a guy in Leningrad". Any more info on that guy, John?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2545102]On another note, John Clayton has been awfully quiet since his assertion that the Millennium Report is run by "a guy in Leningrad". Any more info on that guy, John?[/QUOTE]He went antiquing with his Uncle Jack.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2545407]He went antiquing with his Uncle Jack.[/QUOTE]Don't know who Uncle Jack is but you just described my #1 hobby, and more and more of that can be done online.

At the end of the day one should only devote so much time to arguing with bigots over the internet. As a rule of thumb, if you'd ignore them in real life do the same in cyberspace, though a bit of indulgence now and again is okay.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2544117]Very well said. At least there are a few people left that possess the ability to remove their head from their ass. Still waiting to hear from all of those Biden supporters about the great things he has done so far.[/QUOTE]I am not a Biden fan but you have to admit he has a great plan to pay for what he is spending.

Stimulus money $1. 9 Trillion.

Infrastructure spending $3 Trillion.

Another stimulus $2 Trillion.

For a total spending of $6. 9 trillion.

He is going to pay for it by raising taxes on the rich which will generate $2. 5 Trillion over the next 10 years. If he doesn't spend anything his 2nd to 4th year the USA taxpayers will only owe $4. 4 Trillion plus interest after 10 years. Wry few presidents had this great budget plan. But Biden will be dead and he won't see our kids and grandkids trying to pay for his amazing budget.

[QUOTE=Canada;2545740]I am not a Biden fan but you have to admit he has a great plan to pay for what he is spending.

Stimulus money $1. 9 Trillion.

Infrastructure spending $3 Trillion.

Another stimulus $2 Trillion.

For a total spending of $6. 9 trillion.

He is going to pay for it by raising taxes on the rich which will generate $2. 5 Trillion over the next 10 years. If he doesn't spend anything his 2nd to 4th year the USA taxpayers will only owe $4. 4 Trillion plus interest after 10 years. Wry few presidents had this great budget plan. But Biden will be dead and he won't see our kids and grandkids trying to pay for his amazing budget.[/QUOTE]I was born in 1958 and I never was taxed and paid for World war II, where my dad was wounded in that deficit funded effort.

For around 80 years the Federal Government borrows what it needs, and prints money to pay back the debt. Seems it satisfies enough of what we need.

The prior system (backing USA Currency with scarce, precious metals) was too restricting, that's why we don't have it anymore.

You ought to learn that Canada.

[QUOTE=Canada;2545740]I am not a Biden fan ...see our kids and grandkids trying to pay for his amazing budget.[/QUOTE]Your attempt at irony. I remember my Uncle Euan, who was a top top top Republican banker, taking me, as a six year old (early in Eisenhower's first term), and lecturing me about the WWII debt. "Do you realize how much that is? 300 billion dollars. 300 Biliion!. You and your children and your children's children will be paying that!" he was practically frothing -- very frightening. And, of course, I was afraid even though I had no idea of what a billion was. Whatever happened to that WWII debt? Does anyone talk about it anymore. Do my children's children even know what the hell it is?

I think my exposure to Euan made me very leary of debt as a person. I have never had any except, briefly, a home mortgage, and yet I realize that National debt is different than household debt for several reasons. Principally, especially since 1971, we've been able to create money out of nothing with no penalty (because we are the World currency). Also, since 1990 we've been able to long term borrow at less than 6%.

Now, as an owner of capital, my interests are opposed to its devaluation. Thanks to Uncle Euan, deficit spending still seems morally wrong to me; however, I recognize, based on the evidence, that is good.

[QUOTE=Canada;2545740]I am not a Biden fan but you have to admit he has a great plan to pay for what he is spending.

Stimulus money $1. 9 Trillion.

Infrastructure spending $3 Trillion.

Another stimulus $2 Trillion.

For a total spending of $6. 9 trillion.

He is going to pay for it by raising taxes on the rich which will generate $2. 5 Trillion over the next 10 years. If he doesn't spend anything his 2nd to 4th year the USA taxpayers will only owe $4. 4 Trillion plus interest after 10 years. Wry few presidents had this great budget plan. But Biden will be dead and he won't see our kids and grandkids trying to pay for his amazing budget.[/QUOTE]Right now the bar is set so low that Krusty the Clown could perform at a higher level than the previous administration; that being said, The laws have been skewed to the advantage of rich old white men that reforming the tax burden of the top 10% should be seen more as a market correction than any "redistribution of wealth" BS. I would take it a step further and suspend all tax relief to corporate welfare queens like Exxon, the NFL and the Catholic Church. Vast amounts could be saved in Defense while actually strengthening our military by simply listening to what the field grade Generals are asking for instead of letting Congress belly up to the trough with pork barrel, feel-good contracts like new tanks in an world where the possibility of WWII style tank battles will be fought is as unlikely as need for a steam driven ironclad- we learned that with the First Gulf War and the "Highway of Death". Somebody at the Capital is playing too much Battle Tank.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2545749]Your attempt at irony. I remember my Uncle Euan, who was a top top top Republican banker, taking me, as a six year old (early in Eisenhower's first term), and lecturing me about the WWII debt. "Do you realize how much that is? 300 billion dollars. 300 Biliion!. You and your children and your children's children will be paying that!" he was practically frothing -- very frightening. And, of course, I was afraid even though I had no idea of what a billion was. Whatever happened to that WWII debt? Does anyone talk about it anymore. Do my children's children even know what the hell it is?

I think my exposure to Euan made me very leary of debt as a person. I have never had any except, briefly, a home mortgage, and yet I realize that National debt is different than household debt for several reasons. Principally, especially since 1971, we've been able to create money out of nothing with no penalty (because we are the World currency). Also, since 1990 we've been able to long term borrow at less than 6%.

Now, as an owner of capital, my interests are opposed to its devaluation. Thanks to Uncle Euan, deficit spending still seems morally wrong to me; however, I recognize, based on the evidence, that is good.[/QUOTE]That $300 B your Uncle Euan was talking about was known as "The Marshall Plan", and it created two of the USA's greatest trading partners and military allies. It's probably the best single investment the US government has made, second only the Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase. That $300 B investment in a devastated Europe and Japan has returned hundreds of trillions in return in trade only, without even getting to how the NATO alliance kept us safe during the Cold War.

What your Uncle Euan was hinting at was that someone should pay that back- which is essentially code for reparations. They tried that with WWI- The Germans borried money to pay back the French and English, who borrowed from the USA- the only nation that actually profited from WWI- at least Germany defaulted, which caused France and England to default, which in turned triggered the Great Depression. That would have been nice to avoid.

Stimulus vs Austerity and Reparations- this is something we know beyond the shadow of a doubt. History tells us that when we invested in Europe we gave them the tools to climb out of the devastation of WWII. Can you imagine how much that stimulus could benefit us if we spent it on US?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544045]Perhaps because supporting Israel, which is not just the only democracy, but also our only true friend and ally in that super-volatile part of the world is a no-brainer?[/QUOTE]That's how it's supposed to work, funny that. In reality, they are the single biggest recipient of US foreign aid of any nation on earth since WWII. They're a highly industrialized society with booming tech and military industries. In reality, Israel has become a political third rail that gets politicians elected in big swing states, especially when they secure or increase Israeii aid. Add to that the oft-mentioned hero worship of Jonathan Pollard kind of undermines the whole "bestie" myth. I've never trusted anyone whose friendship I had to buy. Opposition to Israeli aid isn't anti-semitism, it's anti-pork barrel spending and anti political corruption. I would go further to say that far from being a solution to the violence in the Middle East, Israel and it's creation in 1948 is THE SOURCE of the conflict. Shia' and Shi'ite have had an uneasy peace for centuries, at least as much as any other region. The catalyst for crisis in the region is Israel and their extreme right rhetoric and land grabbing greed- not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy in terms of the manner in which they both claim to be victims on the one hand and treat the Palestinians as sub-human on the other...

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2544070]George Soros is a 90 year old man who escaped the Nazis in WWII. He funds a single foundation, which promotes open, democratic societies.[/QUOTE]Soros bought his way out and to the USA after profiting off fire sale assets from his fellow jews eager to liquidate their property. This is well-known; he acknowledges as much himself.

As for his 'support' of democracy: Constitutional Democracies are a form of government that has proven itself to be susceptible to corruption and subversion. What's not to like about democracy for a Soros with the cash to grease the wheels, to 'open' a democracy?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2544514]The trouble with marrying Asian women is that very few have any intellectual curiosity. That is, they don't know what they don't know and never want to find out. Everything is dumbed down to them and they can't see beyond their home and family. Parents, siblings, kids, house, car, handbags and then the foreign dick in that order. They have absolutely no interest in anything else. This includes Thais, Filipinas and Indonesians. Perhaps even Japanese. They are quite content to live in a vacuum, blow their husbands money, while not wanting to better themselves, improve their knowledge and become worldly. The only group which has a thirst for knowledge and wants to better itself are the Chinese. I guess that's how they have dominated most of the Asian countries for the past 1,000 years and now the West. There is no end to their ambition.

I do know a half-Filipina here. Despite her upper class education at Ateneo de Manila, her intellect is at the Aussie senior high school level here. Nothing wrong with that as the Aussie blokes only want a tight pussy on a small 40 kg frame. Pfft, they are not chasing Filipinas for simulating social intercourse, only sexual intercourse. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]You think the problem is limited to the Philippines? Or to Asia? Quite recently 74 million Americans with no critical thinking ability, no reasoning ability, no affinity for science or simple logic, but wholly embrace insane conspiracy theories voted to return a psychopath to the White House. Evidently, the problem is not peculiar to Asia.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2545763]You think the problem is limited to the Philippines? Or to Asia? Quite recently 74 million Americans with no critical thinking ability, no reasoning ability, no affinity for science or simple logic, but wholly embrace insane conspiracy theories voted to return a psychopath to the White House. Evidently, the problem is not peculiar to Asia.

GE.[/QUOTE]As has been pointed out before, there are far better sites than a prostitution forum to voice your political opinions. You may PM me for direction to those sites.

BTW, he and his 74 million followers were robbed.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2545755]That's how it's supposed to work, funny that. In reality, they are the single biggest recipient of US foreign aid of any nation on earth since WWII. They're a highly industrialized society with booming tech and military industries. In reality, Israel has become a political third rail that gets politicians elected in big swing states, especially when they secure or increase Israeii aid. Add to that the oft-mentioned hero worship of Jonathan Pollard kind of undermines the whole "bestie" myth. I've never trusted anyone whose friendship I had to buy. Opposition to Israeli aid isn't anti-semitism, it's anti-pork barrel spending and anti political corruption. I would go further to say that far from being a solution to the violence in the Middle East, Israel and it's creation in 1948 is THE SOURCE of the conflict. Shia' and Shi'ite have had an uneasy peace for centuries, at least as much as any other region. The catalyst for crisis in the region is Israel and their extreme right rhetoric and land grabbing greed- not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy in terms of the manner in which they both claim to be victims on the one hand and treat the Palestinians as sub-human on the other...[/QUOTE]Good post except you didn't debunk the old democracy. When you expel the people from your land that you don't like or don't agree with at gunpoint then you are not a democracy. Allow gaza and the west bank residents to vote in your elections then you become a democracy.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2545775]As has been pointed out before, there are far better sites than a prostitution forum to voice your political opinions. You may PM me for direction to those sites.

BTW, he and his 74 million followers were robbed.[/QUOTE]If you don't want a political discussion then keep your political opinions to yourself. But yes they have been robbed by Trump with his endless fundraising off them to pay for his legal costs which he promptly diverts to pay his hotels and business expenses. Those 74 m fools are endlessly gullible, sort of like desperate mongers sending money to people they haven't met for being told a sob story.

George Soros is a great man who has donated over $32 billion to Open Society Foundations.

By giving away about 64% of his original fortune, it made him the "most generous giver" (in terms of percentage of net worth) according to Forbes.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2545775]...BTW, he and his 74 million followers were robbed.[/QUOTE]Wow, and you have the guts to state that as a fact!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2545763]You think the problem is limited to the Philippines? Or to Asia? Quite recently 74 million Americans with no critical thinking ability, no reasoning ability, no affinity for science or simple logic, but wholly embrace insane conspiracy theories voted to return a psychopath to the White House. Evidently, the problem is not peculiar to Asia.

GE.[/QUOTE]Indeed, 74 million is practically half the voters in the USA, simply delusional!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2545756]Soros bought his way out and to the USA after profiting off fire sale assets from his fellow jews eager to liquidate their property. This is well-known; he acknowledges as much himself.
[/QUOTE]Soros was born in 1930. The WW2 broke out in 1939. Fire sale?

Crackpots don't give a flying fuck how stupid their lies are. They're not even trying. Something will always stick, they believe.

It seems there is no such thing as too low for those people. When someone has no qualms accusing a terrified [B]13-year old boy[/B] in 1944 Hungary -- the eye of the Holocaust at the time -- of selling "assets from his fellow jews" you know you're dealing with a world-class humanitarian.

But wait. Not just selling, fire selling, no less.

And of course, our non-anti-Semite won't even have the courtesy of using a capital J to describe my people. Sure, who the fuck are those "jews" to deserve it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2545883]It seems there is no a terrified [B]13-year old boy[/B] in 1944 Hungary
But wait. Not just selling, fire selling,t.[/QUOTE]Yes, as a teenager, as soros has acknowledged. Terrified? LOL. More like precocious sociopathic instincts.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2545952]Yes, as a teenager, as soros has acknowledged. Terrified? LOL. More like precocious sociopathic instincts.[/QUOTE]No matter what people think about him, I admire how he single handedly brought on its knees the Bank of England. You have to be smart as hell and have a big pair of balls to even think about doing that. And he did. What more he is a philanthropist ad gave away billions. So no matter he deserves to be respected for that.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2545952]Yes, as a teenager, as soros has acknowledged. Terrified? LOL. More like precocious sociopathic instincts.[/QUOTE]After zillions of vicious lies from your ilk over the last 5 years -- what's one more?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546098]After zillions of vicious lies from your ilk over the last 5 years -- what's one more?[/QUOTE]One Jonathan Pollard. How many more?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546098]After zillions of vicious lies from your ilk over the last 5 years -- what's one more?[/QUOTE]Golfinho has bought the whole narrative and has the cardigan sweater to prove it.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2545775]BTW, he and his 74 million followers were robbed.[/QUOTE]Just like the people who sent money via Western Union because they believed the water buffalo was sick. If you are gullible, people will take advantage of you. And some of those followers will find out the hard way that they got played when they start serving a lengthy prison sentence.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2546126]Golfinho has bought the whole narrative and has the cardigan sweater to prove it.[/QUOTE]Here's your narrative: [URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-blunt-interview-pollard-claims-jews-will-always-have-dual-loyalty/[/URL].

Excite yourself fantasizing the pollard in your cardigan sweater fetish.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2546126]Golfinho has bought the whole narrative and has the cardigan sweater to prove it.[/QUOTE]I don't think he has. No one is that stupid (well, very few). He and millions of others are simply waging their own little personal wars and, as we know, everything is fair in love and war.

I mean, did they really believe that Hillary was holding chained babies in a DC pizzeria for her cabal? Well, maybe a few nutsos did, but to most it's just about the end justifying the means.

No, I don't think he believes his own lies.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546192]No, I don't think he believes his own lies.[/QUOTE]Then why do you think he lies?

I don't think he knows he's lying. I think he's simply slow and entertained by right-wing speakers.

For many years I was entertained by Paul Harvey.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2545747]I was born in 1958 and I never was taxed and paid for World war II, where my dad was wounded in that deficit funded effort.

For around 80 years the Federal Government borrows what it needs, and prints money to pay back the debt. Seems it satisfies enough of what we need.

The prior system (backing USA Currency with scarce, precious metals) was too restricting, that's why we don't have it anymore.

You ought to learn that Canada.[/QUOTE]I believe that you never got taxed and never paid any of the debt for World Wars or anything else. But unlike you I built companies, paid taxes, had my taxes raised when the government overspent like millions of other citizens in the country. If you were never taxed and never had your taxes raised since 1978 when I assume you had some income then you were one of the millions on government subsistence or lived off your parents. If you think the government can print unlimited amounts of money to pay back their debt and taxes won't be raised then you are as smart as AOC who has already proved that she is dumber than a sack of hammers. The USA has never had a socialist government in the past and have never had anyone as dumb as Biden, Harris and Bernie. If the government can just print money to pay their debt then we wouldn't have a need for taxes.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2545751]Right now the bar is set so low that Krusty the Clown could perform at a higher level than the previous administration; that being said, The laws have been skewed to the advantage of rich old white men that reforming the tax burden of the top 10% should be seen more as a market correction than any "redistribution of wealth" BS. I would take it a step further and suspend all tax relief to corporate welfare queens like Exxon, the NFL and the Catholic Church. Vast amounts could be saved in Defense while actually strengthening our military by simply listening to what the field grade Generals are asking for instead of letting Congress belly up to the trough with pork barrel, feel-good contracts like new tanks in an world where the possibility of WWII style tank battles will be fought is as unlikely as need for a steam driven ironclad- we learned that with the First Gulf War and the "Highway of Death". Somebody at the Capital is playing too much Battle Tank.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. Biden and Harris have set the bar to a new low. At least the democrats are seeing that now with his great immigration policy. The only president ever that needed a picture with a name on it so that he could call the reporter by name. The socialists will never see it. They will control Biden like a puppet on a string. They already wrote his speeches and pick the questions he will answer and give him the answers to the questions so he only looks like a fool 75 % of the time. The true democrats are embarrassed with his performance.

World leaders are laughing. China and Iran are buddies. North Korea is starting to fire middles again. Putin knows Biden is a joke. The world knows we now have a pussy in the White House that will suck hole to every country and get screwed by every country.

Are you and your socialist buddies here the only people in USA that don't recognize this?

Do you really think bringing in thousands of unskilled labor that the government is subsidizing helps the American worker?

[QUOTE=Canada;2546218]I... I built companies...[/QUOTE]Somehow, I don't believe you.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2545763]You think the problem is limited to the Philippines? Or to Asia? Quite recently 74 million Americans with no critical thinking ability, no reasoning ability, no affinity for science or simple logic, but wholly embrace insane conspiracy theories voted to return a psychopath to the White House. Evidently, the problem is not peculiar to Asia.

GE.[/QUOTE]Strange kind of psychopath who went out his way to prevent wars. Unlike Biden (or rather his handlers) who are cranking up the death machine already. But hey, that be-52 blowing Syrian kids to pieces has the fag rainbow painted on the side and is piloted by a tranny, so its all good. (Speaking of scientifically illiterate, Biden and the democrats can't even define a woman.).

As for critical thinking and reasoning, do you think the flood of tens of millions of sub 80-IQ third world illegals that Trump was holding back and which Biden's handlers are letting in will make the country a better place for everyday Americans? Or will they make it an overcrowded, divided, third world shithole with rock-bottom depressed wages and ever-spiralling real estate / rent costs and welfare bill?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546229]Somehow, I don't believe you.[/QUOTE]Somehow, I don't believe you that the Millennium Report is written by "a guy in Leningrad". Could you let us know how you came to that idea?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2545775]
BTW, he and his 74 million followers were robbed.[/QUOTE]True. Even if you put aside the issue of the vote count mysteriously being paused around midnight and then pallets of hundreds of thousands of votes, 96% for Biden, showing up at 4 am in counting centers in democrat-controlled cities of swing states in which Biden was losing heavily, after Republican observers had either been forcibly removed or prevented from entering in the first place, the fact is that the changes to electoral procedure which allowed the massive fraud to happen (universal mail-in ballots; drop boxes; vote harvesting) were unconstitutional.

The constitution states that electoral procedure is decided by the state legislatures. In five of the swing states, the legislatures are Republican-controlled, and had already rejected democrat attempts to implement the changes. So the democrat governors like Gretchen "Killed your grandpa" Whitmer (executive) and leftwing activist judges (judicial) forced through the changes without them. Unconstitutional: the changes must be made by the legislative branch, not the executive or judicial branches.

That is what the huge lawsuit by 20 states to the Supreme Court was all about. And it is why the Supreme Court had to refuse to accept it; had they accepted it, they would have had no choice but to rule that the huge changes, and thus the election itself, were unconstitutional and invalid.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546222]Yes I agree. Biden and Harris have set the bar to a new low. At least the democrats are seeing that now with his great immigration policy. The only president ever that needed a picture with a name on it so that he could call the reporter by name. The socialists will never see it. They will control Biden like a puppet on a string. They already wrote his speeches and pick the questions he will answer and give him the answers to the questions so he only looks like a fool 75 % of the time. The true democrats are embarrassed with his performance.

World leaders are laughing. China and Iran are buddies. North Korea is starting to fire middles again. Putin knows Biden is a joke. The world knows we now have a pussy in the White House that will suck hole to every country and get screwed by every country.

Are you and your socialist buddies here the only people in USA that don't recognize this?

Do you really think bringing in thousands of unskilled labor that the government is subsidizing helps the American worker?[/QUOTE]Biden's brain is mush. He was always dumb but now he has clear early dementia. Just sit and watch his press conference. We know he was prepped for weeks, he knew exactly which reporters to ask (no hostile questions from Fox allowed) - he even had a sheet with their photos on it, LOL. He knew exactly what they were going to ask, he had been prepped and rehearsed for days or weeks on exactly what to say. And he still fucked it up, forgetting what he was saying mid-sentence and generally looking like a lost grandpa. And this is him at his absolute best, with a sympathetic and supportive crowd! God knows what would happen if he took Putin up on his debate challenge. Talk about must-see TV.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546301]True. Even if you put aside the issue of the vote count mysteriously being paused around midnight and then pallets of hundreds of thousands of votes, 96% for Biden, showing up at 4 am in counting centers in democrat-controlled cities of swing states in which Biden was losing heavily, after Republican observers had either been forcibly removed or prevented from entering in the first place, the fact is that the changes to electoral procedure which allowed the massive fraud to happen (universal mail-in ballots; drop boxes; vote harvesting) were unconstitutional.

The constitution states that electoral procedure is decided by the state legislatures. In five of the swing states, the legislatures are Republican-controlled, and had already rejected democrat attempts to implement the changes. So the democrat governors like Gretchen "Killed your grandpa" Whitmer (executive) and leftwing activist judges (judicial) forced through the changes without them. Unconstitutional: the changes must be made by the legislative branch, not the executive or judicial branches.

That is what the huge lawsuit by 20 states to the Supreme Court was all about. And it is why the Supreme Court had to refuse to accept it; had they accepted it, they would have had no choice but to rule that the huge changes, and thus the election itself, were unconstitutional and invalid.[/QUOTE]The concept of the "red mirage" was reported by the media for weeks prior to the election. Except for the right-wing media, of course.

The "red mirage" stemmed from the fact that many states put up all kinds of legislative barriers around mail-in vote counting. Some states required that mail-in processing (beginning with opening the mailed-in outer envelope) couldn't start until election day. And since many Democrats (80%) voted by mail, it was natural that DtD would be leading early, only to see that lead slip away in the coming days.

But that scenario is simply too complicated for DtD's supporters. They'd rather believe conspiracy theories and that giving water to people standing in line to vote somehow will magically alter their vote!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546229]Somehow, I don't believe you.[/QUOTE]I understand why. Socialists don't believe in the truth. They only believe what they are told.

Socialists don't believe there is a crises at the border.

Socialists don't believe that allowing millions of unskilled people and criminals coming into the country hurts the American people. Democratic states can't even look after the homeless they currently have and yet they are allowing thousands of homeless into their states.

Socialists believe people all white people are racist and if you don't think like them then you are a racist. They believe people should be hired by their color not by their qualifications.

Socialists believe Biden is doing a good job in is first 100 days but can't list one reason why. Can you tell me one policy that he has put in that helps small business or the middle class?

Guess what? Venezuelan people didn't believe that socialism was bad either. Now they are having to pay for it.

[QUOTE=PlushTiger;2546053]I admire how he single handedly brought on its knees the Bank of England............What more he is a philanthropist ad gave away billions.[/QUOTE]Millions of people suffered in the chaos and economic crash after he brought down the Bank of England. Why would you admire that? You sound like as big a sociopath as Soros.

And the billions come with strings attached. Namely, open your country to unlimited low-IQ often Muslim 3rd world immigration; allow feminists and bitter women to have men destroyed and imprisoned on a whim with no evidence required; allow homosexuals and trannies to perform public sex acts on each other during "pride" parades, and access to small children for grooming and irreversible sex changes; and create "hate speech" laws to destroy and imprison anyone who speaks out against any of it. No wonder his original country Hungary and many others are saying no thanks. They've seen the state of the West.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2546099]One Jonathan Pollard. How many more?[/QUOTE]AIPAC, ADL, the fake news media. They hardly even bother hiding it any more.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546321]Can you tell me one policy that he has put in that helps small business or the middle class?[/QUOTE]The swift delivery of $1;400 helped me, and I am in the middle class. The first $1,200 bearing TrumpShit's name. Still has not arrived. The IRS system still does not give me a fucking reason why I got nada even though I did qualify for it.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546321]I understand why. Socialists don't believe in the truth...[/QUOTE]I'm not arguing substance with you (obviously useless). To be clear, it's that I don't believe you have "built companies"...or ever distinguished yourself in any way.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546341]Millions of people suffered in the chaos and economic crash after he brought down the Bank of England. Why would you admire that? You sound like as big a sociopath as Soros.

And the billions come with strings attached. Namely, open your country to unlimited low-IQ often Muslim 3rd world immigration; allow feminists and bitter women to have men destroyed and imprisoned on a whim with no evidence required; allow homosexuals and trannies to perform public sex acts on each other during "pride" parades, and access to small children for grooming and irreversible sex changes; and create "hate speech" laws to destroy and imprison anyone who speaks out against any of it. No wonder his original country Hungary and many others are saying no thanks. They've seen the state of the West.[/QUOTE]1- The correction was due as England was living above Politicians are to blame for being greedy and setting the pound higher than its market price. England had a current account deficit it could not close. All in all the pound depreciation was going to happen. SO yes I am sorry for the hardship that people went through but the culprit is not (only) Soros.

2- I don't see why this man (being Jewish) would specially support the Muslim immigration. And of you're talking about the US as a country new immigrants tend to be more educated [URL]https://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/demographic-portrait-of-muslim-americans/[/URL] of if I expect your reaction to call this a fraud and that they want to show a positive immigration to make that form of immigration acceptable to the general public so I won't bother discussing that further.

To finish I find admirable a man who takes on a country's central bank and outsmarts them.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2546198]Then why do you think he lies?

I don't think he knows he's lying. I think he's simply slow and entertained by right-wing speakers.

For many years I was entertained by Paul Harvey.[/QUOTE]But how slow does one need to be to really believe that a 13-year old Jewish boy at the peak of the Holocaust had the smarts, the skills, and, most importantly, the presence of mind to make a fortune of "fireselling" -- whatever? Nah, slow wouldn't cut it. Retarded? Shit-for-brain? Numbskull? I don't know. More likely the dude is simply a lying, deranged anti-Semite. I mean they can't all be "slow," can they?

As to the entertainment factor, oh yeah! Liberals or centrists can't and never will be as entertaining as crackpots. Comes with the territory.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546376]I'm not arguing substance with you (obviously useless). To be clear, it's that I don't believe you have "built companies"...or ever distinguished yourself in any way.[/QUOTE]The reason you don't believe is because you never have built companies or hired hundreds of people. If you did you wouldn't be a socialist. You have never dealt with the stupid regulations of presidents like Carter and Obama. You are of the group that builds nothing but vote for whoever promises you free stuff. Very simple to understand. I would be willing to place a wager on weather or not you or I have built companies. But I know you would not do that because you know you would lose. Your kind doesn't like facts.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2546368]The swift delivery of $1;400 helped me, and I am in the middle class. The first $1,200 bearing TrumpShit's name. Still has not arrived. The IRS system still does not give me a fucking reason why I got nada even though I did qualify for it.[/QUOTE]Big difference between Trump and Biden stimulus was that Trump didn't give the stimulus to get votes like Biden did. And Biden promised $2000 but only gave $1400 after he was elected because he had to also give it to failed democratic cities and illegals. I am proud to say I didn't get any stimulus checks because at our age we should be self sufficient. Not relying on the government to pay us for nothing. I worked hard and invested wisely so I don't need to rely on the government for my income. Maybe if some of you socialists had you wouldn't be such cry babies feeling sorry for yourself.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546434]The reason you don't believe is because you never have built companies or hired hundreds of people. If you did you wouldn't be a socialist. You have never dealt with the stupid regulations of presidents like Carter and Obama. You are of the group that builds nothing but vote for whoever promises you free stuff. Very simple to understand. I would be willing to place a wager on weather or not you or I have built companies. But I know you would not do that because you know you would lose. Your kind doesn't like facts.[/QUOTE]Sorry, still don't believe you.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546434]The reason you don't believe is because you never have built companies or hired hundreds of people. If you did you wouldn't be a socialist. You have never dealt with the stupid regulations of presidents like Carter and Obama. You are of the group that builds nothing but vote for whoever promises you free stuff. Very simple to understand. I would be willing to place a wager on weather or not you or I have built companies. But I know you would not do that because you know you would lose. Your kind doesn't like facts.[/QUOTE]There's been this trend going about the last five years or so where many feel that calling something a "fact" makes it a fact. Uh no it doesn't, but that's how Trump managed to rack up 20 K plus lies over that time. But anyway, if you are looking for big shots look no further than a monger community. You'll find secret agents, all varieties of war heros, mega millionaires, real estate tycoons, corporate giants, and guys who are just plain brilliant. Just check any monger forum, with a special focus on the off topic threads. Or, just pull up a stool in any seedy bar where low priced hookers are working nearby. They'll be happy to give you an ear full.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546534]Sorry, still don't believe you.[/QUOTE]You don't believe it because you don't believe the facts of anything. If CNN said it would you believe it? Easy way to solve it though. We can make a wager. Friendly wager $10,000 each given to a legal entity to verify such as KPMG. We each deposit $10,000 in their escrow account and they verify the facts. It is very simple transaction winner take all. KPMG would probably charge about $1000 for their fees and I will be glad to pay them out of the proceeds. They could do this in less than 4 hours as itis all public record. Neither of our names would be known except to their auditors and they have privacy agreements. I don't need to tell lies to feel important. I am not a democrat. I built 2 large companies and several small ones. I know what I accomplished and pretty much know what you have. Your great accomplishments are getting government stimulus. I worked for a living and I don't vote or deal with people who can only offer free stuff to get elected and to con you. The smart money says that free stuff is never free. You will pay for it. And obviously you are paying for it now.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546555]You don't believe it because you don't believe the facts of anything. If CNN said it would you believe it? Easy way to solve it though. We can make a wager. Friendly wager $10,000 each given to a legal entity to verify such as KPMG. We each deposit $10,000 in their escrow account and they verify the facts. It is very simple transaction winner take all. KPMG would probably charge about $1000 for their fees and I will be glad to pay them out of the proceeds. They could do this in less than 4 hours as itis all public record. Neither of our names would be known except to their auditors and they have privacy agreements. I don't need to tell lies to feel important. I am not a democrat. I built 2 large companies and several small ones. I know what I accomplished and pretty much know what you have. Your great accomplishments are getting government stimulus. I worked for a living and I don't vote or deal with people who can only offer free stuff to get elected and to con you. The smart money says that free stuff is never free. You will pay for it. And obviously you are paying for it now.[/QUOTE]Sure, KPMG or whatever. I don't believe any of what you have written. Moreover, I think you are a fabulist and a troll on this forum. I am sorry that I have wasted bandwidth and electrons trying to engage with you and counter your propaganda and disinformation here.

Can you tell me honestly, do you feel like you are an introspective person? Clearly, you are filled with rage. Do you feel that other, external, sources are the cause of it? Could you look inside for once and ask yourself why AOC, Obama, Hilary, Bernie Sanders or George Soros cause you to feel this inchoate rage?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546573]Sure, KPMG or whatever. I don't believe any of what you have written. Moreover, I think you are a fabulist and a troll on this forum. I am sorry that I have wasted bandwidth and electrons trying to engage with you and counter your propaganda and disinformation here.

Can you tell me honestly, do you feel like you are an introspective person? Clearly, you are filled with rage. Do you feel that other, external, sources are the cause of it? Could you look inside for once and ask yourself why AOC, Obama, Hilary, Bernie Sanders or George Soros cause you to feel this inchoate rage?[/QUOTE]I guess you do believe me. I see you didn't take the offer up on the wager so you realize you can't afford to lose. You probably never even heard of KPMG. I can back up what I say and willing to put money on it. Obviously you can't back up what you say so your words are worthless. I and most of the real world have no respect for people who won't back up their words. I have no rage. My life is great. I am not a loser looking for government handouts like most of the socialists here. Listening to you losers who worship Biden and Bernie and AOC and knowing that you get just what you deserve. You guys just keep waiting for the government handouts. Obviously you don't pay much in taxes. Liberals and socialists can have their liberal states. The people who work and support the USA don't have to live in those shitholes like CA, Oregon, Washington, New York that hate the racist Americans. You keep hating USA, canceling culture, canceling free speech call call all white people racists. The only hate in the USA is the democrats who hate America.

Biden v Bolsonaro on Climate?

IMHO, this is absolutely not where an American president should be spending his political capital with a very important geopolitical ally and more importantly, a possible foe if events were to go the wrong way. Our American President is so left wing and coopted by the radical left, especially the environmentalists that Americans think they can violate Braziiian sovereignty to somehow help the air quality in LOS Angeles. This is flat out insane.

[URL]https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/03/20/joe-biden-and-jair-bolsonaro-square-off-over-the-amazon[/URL]

Brazilian businesses rarely preach greenery. Yet last July, 20 months after Jair Bolsonaro was elected president, rampant deforestation in the Amazon roused 38 ceos to speak up. Foreign investment was falling and trade talks were stalled. "This negative perception has an enormous potential for harm," they wrote in a letter to the government, urging Mr Bolsonaro to do something. He ignored them. The pace of deforestation, as reported in November, was 10% faster in 2020 than in 2019. Yet the president merrily slashed the budget for environmental enforcement for the third year in a row.

Listen to this story.

Enjoy more audio and podcasts on iOS or Android.

Now those Brazilian bosses are placing their hope in another president—one who lacks Mr Bolsonaro's populist disregard for science. Joe Biden has signalled that both his foreign and domestic policies will aim to arrest climate change. More than 60% of the remaining tree cover in the Amazon is in Brazil. Not only is the rainforest brimming with irreplaceable biodiversity; it is also a carbon sink. Burning or chopping it down turns it into a source of carbon emissions instead. American diplomacy under Mr Biden will seek to persuade Mr Bolsonaro not to let that happen. This is perhaps the first time that a major bilateral relationship has focused on trees.

That presents both risks and opportunities for Brazil. After Mr Biden said in a debate in September that Brazil could face "economic consequences" if it doesn't "stop tearing down the rainforest", Mr Bolsonaro tweeted, "our sovereignty is non-negotiable. " Later, he made what sounded like a threat, saying Brazil would need "gunpowder" if diplomacy should fail. Tensions have now eased somewhat. Mr Biden told John Kerry, his climate envoy, to make good on a campaign promise to raise, with the help of other countries, $20 bn for the Amazon. In February Mr Kerry had a call with Ernesto Araújo, Brazil's foreign minister, and Ricardo Salles, the environment minister. "We have to construct bridges," says Mr Salles.

In an interview with The Economist Mr Kerry said that he would not be "just dictating", but working with Brazil. He admits it won't be easy, adding that he is dealing with "an administration that has felt aggrieved in the way that it has been approached to date".

In both countries, wonks are trying to pull together a deal that the two presidents can claim as a win. In January a group of former us cabinet officials and climate negotiators published an "Amazon Protection Plan" in which funding for Amazon countries would be conditional on reducing deforestation. In Brazil ceos and scientists calling themselves Concertação pela Amazônia ("Agreement for the Amazon") are lobbying for a chunk of the aid to go to sustainable development.

Until recently both countries were active participants in climate negotiations. As secretary of state in 2016, Mr Kerry signed the Paris accord on climate change. Brazil used its stewardship of the Amazon as a way to "punch above its weight", says Tom Shannon, a former us ambassador to Brazil. Between 2008 and 2019 Norway and Germany donated more than $1 bn to Brazil's Amazon Fund, which aims to curb deforestation and support sustainable development. But after President Donald Trump withdrew from the Paris accord, Brazil, China and other countries appeared to use his environmental insouciance as a pretext to neglect their own commitments.

And when Mr Bolsonaro became president in 2019 "a relationship that had been between states and societies became a relationship between two guys," says Mr Shannon, referring to Mr Bolsonaro's bromance with Mr Trump. Brazil's other relationships soured. After two decades of negotiations, the eu has yet to ratify a trade deal with Mercosur, a bloc of South American nations, mostly because of Mr Bolsonaro's policies.

Brazil's private sector, by contrast, has stepped up. After a decade of ignoring the global trend to be greener, Brazilian banks, funds and firms have now started pledging to reduce their carbon emissions and to eliminate deforestation from their supply chains. The price of carbon credits in Brazil's nascent voluntary market almost tripled in 2020. Demand is increasing for shares in firms that promise stricter environmental, social and corporate-governance standards. Much of this is "greenwashing", thinks Fabio Alperowitch of fama Investimentos, a fund that focuses on such shares. But some is not.

Seeing the wood for the trees.

Mr Biden could help. The $20 bn he has pledged to raise for the Amazon could be made conditional on Brazil meeting environmental goals. So could Brazil's request to join the oecd, a club of mostly rich countries. In the past, Brazil has stymied the creation of a global carbon market by insisting that credits it sells to other countries should also count as its own emissions reductions. Such double-counting would result in a smaller cut overall. A push from the Biden administration to reject this double-counting, if successful, could boost conservation in the Amazon.

Off the record, however, many ceos admit to being more anxious than they have let on. A deal with the Biden administration "is our only hope" of avoiding trade barriers and further reputational damage, says one. Both the eu and Britain are considering laws to punish companies that import products tied to deforestation and banks that fund them. The Democrat-controlled us Congress might follow suit if diplomacy fails, which could provoke Mr Bolsonaro to greater recalcitrance. A deal will only work if he can call it a victory.

The most effective way to do this would be to get farmers on board. Agriculture generates a fifth of Brazil's GDP and roughly half its exports. But whereas multinationals such as jbs, the world's largest meat producer, and Cargill, a food-trader, have joined the Concertação, Amazonian farmers are noticeably absent. They are sick of being blamed for deforestation, and of unmet promises of cash for conservation. They think environmentalists' demand for "zero deforestation" is unreasonable. (Brazil's forest code permits farmers in the Amazon to clear trees from 20% of their land.) "Whoever wants to help Brazil should start by respecting the law, including the right to deforest," says Caio Penido, a beef lobbyist.

The biggest challenge for a us-sponsored Amazon deal would be enforcement. Norway and Germany froze their donations to the Amazon Fund in 2019 after losing faith in Mr Bolsonaro. He and Mr Biden are likely to disagree about how a new fund should be spent. The Biden administration will expect progress on reducing deforestation. But Mr Bolsonaro is reluctant to crack down on illegal logging, mining and cattle-ranching; the people who do these things are often his supporters.

Mr Biden appears more worried about climate change than his predecessors were. Mr Kerry is the first climate tsar to sit on the national security council. Even so, should Brazil fail to meet its targets, Mr Biden has few diplomatic sticks with which to whack Mr Bolsonaro. He will be wary of isolating such a big ally as Brazil. Bilateral trade is $100 bn a year; military cooperation is growing. Sanctions, if imposed, might not work. The biggest buyer of Brazilian beef and soyabeans, both of which are sometimes raised on deforested land, is not the United States but China.

If Mr Bolsonaro proves intransigent, the Biden administration could work with states in the Amazon instead. The government of Mato Grosso has tried to reduce tree loss by encouraging farmers to join an environmental registry. It is also experimenting with paying farmers to clear less than 20% of their land. But bureaucracy and distrust among farmers have meant that the state has only processed permits for roughly 8% of its farmland. Creating a sustainable economy for the Amazon will take more than paying farmers not to destroy the forest, says Denis Minev of Bemol, the region's largest department store. He wants American cash to support research into how Brazil can make money from the Amazon's biodiversity.

In April Mr Biden will host the Earth Day summit to persuade world leaders to strengthen their green commitments in the lead-up to the un summit in November. Mr Bolsonaro says he will attend. The Wilson Centre, an American think-tank with ties to Brazil, has started bringing the wonks from each country together. Mr Kerry is aware of their proposals, says a diplomat. The real test will come once they reach Mr Bolsonaro.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546573]Sure, KPMG or whatever. I don't believe any of what you have written. Moreover, I think you are a fabulist and a troll on this forum. I am sorry that I have wasted bandwidth and electrons trying to engage with you and counter your propaganda and disinformation here.

Can you tell me honestly, do you feel like you are an introspective person? Clearly, you are filled with rage. Do you feel that other, external, sources are the cause of it? Could you look inside for once and ask yourself why AOC, Obama, Hilary, Bernie Sanders or George Soros cause you to feel this inchoate rage?[/QUOTE]John, you still haven't let us know where you got your information that the Millennium Report was written "by a guy in Leningrad". Seems to conflict with your buddy Xpartan, who told us that it is published by David Horowitz's Freedom Center, both of which are entirely American. Could you clarify? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546584]Liberals and socialists can have their liberal states. The people who work and support the USA don't have to live in those shitholes like CA, Oregon, Washington, New York that hate the racist Americans.[/QUOTE]There's a shitload of Good Solid Americans living in Georgia and other Southern States that hate racists as well (foreign and domestic racists).

[QUOTE=Canada;2546584]You keep hating USA[/QUOTE]Hating racism is not hating the USA. That's an ignorant thing to believe.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546584]You keep hating USA, canceling culture, canceling free speech call call all white people racists.[/QUOTE]I know plenty of white people that don't appear to be racists.

And far fewer (but still too many) are racists and seem gleeful to let others know they are racist.

It's that far smaller side, the deficient side, that thinks the USA likes racism.

Those giving support to racism are unamerican.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546433]Liberals or centrists can't and never will be as entertaining as crackpots.[/QUOTE]It is impossible not to be reminded of the classic Jewish joke about the Jewish mother in Russia taking leave of her son, who has been called up to serve the Czar in the war against Turkey. "Don't overexert yourself'" she implores him, "Kill a Turk and rest. Kill another Turk and rest again. "

"But mother," the son interrupts, "What if the Turk kills me?

"You?" exclaims the mother, "But why? What have you done to him?

Yo peeps pretty entertaining yourselves.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546321]I understand why. Socialists don't believe in the truth. They only believe what they are told.

Socialists don't believe there is a crises at the border.

Socialists don't believe that allowing millions of unskilled people and criminals coming into the country hurts the American people. Democratic states can't even look after the homeless they currently have and yet they are allowing thousands of homeless into their states.

Socialists believe people all white people are racist and if you don't think like them then you are a racist. They believe people should be hired by their color not by their qualifications.

Socialists believe Biden is doing a good job in is first 100 days but can't list one reason why. Can you tell me one policy that he has put in that helps small business or the middle class?

Guess what? Venezuelan people didn't believe that socialism was bad either. Now they are having to pay for it.[/QUOTE]Horsehockey!

Why do tRUMPettes always call anyone who has a brain a "socialist"?

Democrats believe that we have problems at the border. Democrats also know that the moron who was in charge of the GAO under trump effectively delayed Biden's transition by 60 days so that the Biden administration was behind the 8-ball from the start. Democrats also know that after tRUMP was dethroned many asylum-seekers would arrive. Democrats also know that roughly HALF of the current illegal population are VISA overstays. Trump supporters, on the other hand, believe that the only solution to the "illegal problem" is to deport them all and to set up machine guns on the border to gun down the rest.

Democrats understand that only a very small portion of illegals are "criminals". They also KNOW that unskilled labor poses no issues to skilled labor. Democrats KNOW that tRUMPettes want to position all labor as unskilled when it suits them.

Democrats believe that "white privilege" exists. They also believe that tRUMPettes are mostly racists.

Democrats believe that Biden is doing a good job simply because they don't wake up every morning wondering "What did the fool do overnight?" But Democrats also know that Biden has the best interests of all of the county in mind. If trump had not been dethroned, NOBODY would be shocked to hear "We are going to provide the vaccine first to red states and to red cities in Democrat states. " Or, " The infrastructure bill I'm proposing will fix infrastructure in red states first. Once their infrastructure is fixed, any left over money will go to blue states". Actually, he wouldn't have said it exactly like that because I used complete sentences and words of more than one syllable.

Democrats also know that Venezuelans would love it if their country was as "socialist" as the US.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2546319]The concept of the "red mirage" was reported by the media for weeks prior to the election. Except for the right-wing media, of course.

The "red mirage" stemmed from the fact that many states put up all kinds of legislative barriers around mail-in vote counting. Some states required that mail-in processing (beginning with opening the mailed-in outer envelope) couldn't start until election day. And since many Democrats (80%) voted by mail, it was natural that DtD would be leading early, only to see that lead slip away in the coming days.

But that scenario is simply too complicated for DtD's supporters. They'd rather believe conspiracy theories and that giving water to people standing in line to vote somehow will magically alter their vote![/QUOTE]Very low IQ take here, so let me explain it slowly.

Mass mail-in voting is obviously fraudulent. That is why the majority of democracies around in the world. In Europe, Asia, Africa and South America. Prohibit it, except in special individual cases (ie very sick, housebound people) which must be verified. The mail-in voting in the presidential election was obviously fraudulent. Trump was so far ahead in the swing states by midnight that people were already calling to congratulate him; bookmakers had stopped taking bets and put his likelihood of victory at over 95%.

Then, bizarrely, the count stopped. That has never happened before. You don't stop counting the votes just after midnight. The very idea is preposterous. But it meant that 1) it was not possible to officially declare Trump the winner yet, and 2) the corrupt democrat machines in shithole cities had a few hours to scramble and get together the hundreds of thousands of fake ballots they need to overtake The Donald. This they did, delivering pallets of hundreds of thousands of votes at 4 am, 96% for Biden, to the corrupt inner city shithole democrat-run counting stations, from where Republican observers had been sent home after the counting "stopped"; forcibly removed for some made-up rule breach; not allowed within 50 feet due to "covid restrictions"' or simply not allowed in at all.

Thus was the steal accomplished. Of course the fake news media had been talking about it and trying to condition the population for it beforehand because the people at the top were in on it.

Regardless, as I said in my last post, and which you clearly failed to understand, all of this is completely irrelevant.

Even if you believe the mail-in voting was entirely above board (LOL), the fact that these states changed the election procedure to mass mail-in voting without the consent of the state legislature rendered the election unconstitutional and invalid.

The constitution states clearly and unambiguously that the method and procedure of the election in each state is to be decided by the state legislature. The legislative branch. Not the executive branch (governor) or judicial branch (courts). What actually happened was that the legislatures in five swing states are controlled by the Republicans, and they rejected the democrat attempts to implement mass mail-in voting, as they obviously and correctly realised it was all a big fraudulent scam.

According to the constitution, that should have been the end of it. Nice try, but no cigar, as a famous democrat leader once said.

What actually happened was that democrat governors of these states, such as Gretchen "Killed your grandpa" Whitmer; and leftwing activist judges forced through the changes by "executive decree" or "court order", in opposition to the legislatures.

"Executive decree" or "court order" might work in some banana republic shithole like North Korea, Sudan or Canada, but in a country with a functional constitution that actually matters, it is bullshit. Unconstitutional bullshit.

This is exactly the plain and clear argument that the 20 states made in their submission to the Supreme Court, which would have had no option but to find that the election was unconstitutional and invalid. To their eternal shame, the so-called "Justices" shirked their duty and laughably refused to hear the case. Perhaps they were worried that the democrats, fake media and deep state would work up the blacks to riot, loot and burn cities again. Who cares. There is no rioter's veto over implementation of the law.

And that, kids, is how the presidency was stolen, and America became a banana republic third world shithole.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2546601]Biden v Bolsonaro on Climate?

IMHO, this is absolutely not where an American president should be spending his political capital with a very important geopolitical ally and more importantly, a possible foe if events were to go the wrong way. Our American President is so left wing and coopted by the radical left, especially the environmentalists that Americans think they can violate Braziiian sovereignty to somehow help the air quality in LOS Angeles. This is flat out insane.

[URL]https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/03/20/joe-biden-and-jair-bolsonaro-square-off-over-the-amazon[/URL]

Brazilian businesses rarely preach greenery. Yet last July, 20 months after Jair Bolsonaro was elected president, rampant deforestation in the Amazon roused 38 ceos to speak up. Foreign investment was falling and trade talks were stalled. "This negative perception has an enormous potential for harm," they wrote in a letter to the government, urging Mr Bolsonaro to do something. He ignored them. The pace of deforestation, as reported in November, was 10% faster in 2020 than in 2019. Yet the president merrily slashed the budget for environmental enforcement for the third year in a row.

Listen to this story.

Enjoy more audio and podcasts on iOS or Android.

Now those Brazilian bosses are placing their hope in another presidentone who lacks Mr Bolsonaro's populist disregard for science. Joe Biden has signalled that both his foreign and domestic policies will aim to arrest climate change. More than 60% of the remaining tree cover in the Amazon is in Brazil. Not only is the rainforest brimming with irreplaceable biodiversity; it is also a carbon sink. Burning or chopping it down turns it into a source of carbon emissions instead. American diplomacy under Mr Biden will seek to persuade Mr Bolsonaro not to let that happen. This is perhaps the first time that a major bilateral relationship has focused on trees.

That presents both risks and opportunities for Brazil. After Mr Biden said in a debate in September that Brazil could face "economic consequences" if it doesn't "stop tearing down the rainforest", Mr Bolsonaro tweeted, "our sovereignty is non-negotiable. " Later, he made what sounded like a threat, saying Brazil would need "gunpowder" if diplomacy should fail. Tensions have now eased somewhat. Mr Biden told John Kerry, his climate envoy, to make good on a campaign promise to raise, with the help of other countries, $20 bn for the Amazon. In February Mr Kerry had a call with Ernesto Arajo, Brazil's foreign minister, and Ricardo Salles, the environment minister. "We have to construct bridges," says Mr Salles.

In an interview with The Economist Mr Kerry said that he would not be "just dictating", but working with Brazil. He admits it won't be easy, adding that he is dealing with "an administration that has felt aggrieved in the way that it has been approached to date".

In both countries, wonks are trying to pull together a deal that the two presidents can claim as a win. In January a group of former us cabinet officials and climate negotiators published an "Amazon Protection Plan" in which funding for Amazon countries would be conditional on reducing deforestation. In Brazil ceos and scientists calling themselves Concertao pela Amaznia ("Agreement for the Amazon") are lobbying for a chunk of the aid to go to sustainable development.

Until recently both countries were active participants in climate negotiations. As secretary of state in 2016, Mr Kerry signed the Paris accord on climate change. Brazil used its stewardship of the Amazon as a way to "punch above its weight", says Tom Shannon, a former us ambassador to Brazil. Between 2008 and 2019 Norway and Germany donated more than $1 bn to Brazil's Amazon Fund, which aims to curb deforestation and support sustainable development. But after President Donald Trump withdrew from the Paris accord, Brazil, China and other countries appeared to use his environmental insouciance as a pretext to neglect their own commitments.

And when Mr Bolsonaro became president in 2019 "a relationship that had been between states and societies became a relationship between two guys," says Mr Shannon, referring to Mr Bolsonaro's bromance with Mr Trump. Brazil's other relationships soured. After two decades of negotiations, the eu has yet to ratify a trade deal with Mercosur, a bloc of South American nations, mostly because of Mr Bolsonaro's policies.

Brazil's private sector, by contrast, has stepped up. After a decade of ignoring the global trend to be greener, Brazilian banks, funds and firms have now started pledging to reduce their carbon emissions and to eliminate deforestation from their supply chains. The price of carbon credits in Brazil's nascent voluntary market almost tripled in 2020. Demand is increasing for shares in firms that promise stricter environmental, social and corporate-governance standards. Much of this is "greenwashing", thinks Fabio Alperowitch of fama Investimentos, a fund that focuses on such shares. But some is not.

Seeing the wood for the trees.

Mr Biden could help. The $20 bn he has pledged to raise for the Amazon could be made conditional on Brazil meeting environmental goals. So could Brazil's request to join the oecd, a club of mostly rich countries. In the past, Brazil has stymied the creation of a global carbon market by insisting that credits it sells to other countries should also count as its own emissions reductions. Such double-counting would result in a smaller cut overall. A push from the Biden administration to reject this double-counting, if successful, could boost conservation in the Amazon.

Off the record, however, many ceos admit to being more anxious than they have let on. A deal with the Biden administration "is our only hope" of avoiding trade barriers and further reputational damage, says one. Both the eu and Britain are considering laws to punish companies that import products tied to deforestation and banks that fund them. The Democrat-controlled us Congress might follow suit if diplomacy fails, which could provoke Mr Bolsonaro to greater recalcitrance. A deal will only work if he can call it a victory.

The most effective way to do this would be to get farmers on board. Agriculture generates a fifth of Brazil's GDP and roughly half its exports. But whereas multinationals such as jbs, the world's largest meat producer, and Cargill, a food-trader, have joined the Concertao, Amazonian farmers are noticeably absent. They are sick of being blamed for deforestation, and of unmet promises of cash for conservation. They think environmentalists' demand for "zero deforestation" is unreasonable. (Brazil's forest code permits farmers in the Amazon to clear trees from 20% of their land.) "Whoever wants to help Brazil should start by respecting the law, including the right to deforest," says Caio Penido, a beef lobbyist.

The biggest challenge for a us-sponsored Amazon deal would be enforcement. Norway and Germany froze their donations to the Amazon Fund in 2019 after losing faith in Mr Bolsonaro. He and Mr Biden are likely to disagree about how a new fund should be spent. The Biden administration will expect progress on reducing deforestation. But Mr Bolsonaro is reluctant to crack down on illegal logging, mining and cattle-ranching; the people who do these things are often his supporters.

Mr Biden appears more worried about climate change than his predecessors were. Mr Kerry is the first climate tsar to sit on the national security council. Even so, should Brazil fail to meet its targets, Mr Biden has few diplomatic sticks with which to whack Mr Bolsonaro. He will be wary of isolating such a big ally as Brazil. Bilateral trade is $100 bn a year; military cooperation is growing. Sanctions, if imposed, might not work. The biggest buyer of Brazilian beef and soyabeans, both of which are sometimes raised on deforested land, is not the United States but China.

If Mr Bolsonaro proves intransigent, the Biden administration could work with states in the Amazon instead. The government of Mato Grosso has tried to reduce tree loss by encouraging farmers to join an environmental registry. It is also experimenting with paying farmers to clear less than 20% of their land. But bureaucracy and distrust among farmers have meant that the state has only processed permits for roughly 8% of its farmland. Creating a sustainable economy for the Amazon will take more than paying farmers not to destroy the forest, says Denis Minev of Bemol, the region's largest department store. He wants American cash to support research into how Brazil can make money from the Amazon's biodiversity.

In April Mr Biden will host the Earth Day summit to persuade world leaders to strengthen their green commitments in the lead-up to the un summit in November. Mr Bolsonaro says he will attend. The Wilson Centre, an American think-tank with ties to Brazil, has started bringing the wonks from each country together. Mr Kerry is aware of their proposals, says a diplomat. The real test will come once they reach Mr Bolsonaro.[/QUOTE]Interesting article. I predict more and more African, South American and Asian countries are going to move away from the USA and toward China, because China doesn't interfere in their internal business. China just wants to trade and make mutual profits. They don't whine and make stupid threats over so-called "human rights" (ironic, as the US government ramps up persecution of white Christian conservative gun-owners) and this fake "climate change" bullshit (30 years ago they said we would be underwater by now, but I still see nothing but land from my window).

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2546640]There's a shitload of Good Solid Americans living in Georgia and other Southern States that hate racists as well (foreign and domestic racists).

Hating racism is not hating the USA. That's an ignorant thing to believe.

I know plenty of white people that don't appear to be racists.

And far fewer (but still too many) are racists and seem gleeful to let others know they are racist.

It's that far smaller side, the deficient side, that thinks the USA likes racism.

Those giving support to racism are unamerican.[/QUOTE]Do you think 90% of Japanese people are "racists"? 90% of Chinese people? 90% of Mexicans?

The reason I ask is that that is the approximate proportion of the population of those countries (and pretty much every country) who oppose mass immigration and granting of citizenship to millions of foreigners. I guess that makes the whole world "racist", right?

Or is the term reserved only for white western people? White western people have to permit mass immigration and become a minority in their own countries, with resultant economic and social instability, overcrowding, ghettoisation, tensions etc; and end up a persecuted minority like whites in southern Africa, or else they are "racist"; but everyone else gets to keep the demographics of their countries as they are and that's just fine, not "racist" at all?

Is that the deal? Just curious.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546699]Mass mail-in voting is obviously fraudulent. That is why the majority of democracies around in the world. In Europe, Asia, Africa and South America. Prohibit it, except in special individual cases (ie very sick, housebound people) which must be verified. The mail-in voting in the presidential election was obviously fraudulent.[/QUOTE]Hey Chris,

The party line changed last week.

"Reasonable people understand that the 'language of the political arena, like the language used in labor disputes. Is often vituperative, abusive and inexact."

And further down.

"reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process".

P32.

[URL]https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20519858-3-22-21-sidney-powell-defending-the-republic-motion-to-dismiss-dominion[/URL]

Of course this is a bunch of legalese. In the opinion of this independent, it simply means "if you believe this nonsense, it's your own damn fault."

Try to keep up, buddy.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546703]Do you think 90% of Japanese people are "racists"? 90% of Chinese people? 90% of Mexicans?...[/QUOTE]For sure Japanese and Chinese. Mexicans no worse than we are. Japan and China are straight up xenophobic, racist countries.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546717]For sure Japanese and Chinese. Mexicans no worse than we are. Japan and China are straight up xenophobic, racist countries.[/QUOTE]Funny you should say that: Mexico's General Law of Population states that the Department of the Interior shall be able to deny foreigners entry into Mexico, if, among other reasons, they may disrupt the "domestic demographic equilibrium. " In short, they don't allow mass immigration to alter their demographics. Which is apparently "racist" when done by a white western country.

[URL]https://bongino.com/heres-how-mexico-treats-illegal-immigrants/[/URL]

Even funnier than that, I heard you claim recently that the Millennium Report was "written by a guy in Leningrad", but your buddy Xpartan said it's published by American David Horowitz of the American Freedom Center, in America. So who's right?

Agree! Spot on.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546702]Interesting article. I predict more and more African, South American and Asian countries are going to move away from the USA and toward China, because China doesn't interfere in their internal business. China just wants to trade and make mutual profits. They don't whine and make stupid threats over so-called "human rights" (ironic, as the US government ramps up persecution of white Christian conservative gun-owners) and this fake "climate change" bullshit (30 years ago they said we would be underwater by now, but I still see nothing but land from my window).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2546689]Horsehockey!

Why do tRUMPettes always call anyone who has a brain a "socialist"?

Democrats believe that we have problems at the border. Democrats also know that the moron who was in charge of the GAO under trump effectively delayed Biden's transition by 60 days so that the Biden administration was behind the 8-ball from the start. Democrats also know that after tRUMP was dethroned many asylum-seekers would arrive. Democrats also know that roughly HALF of the current illegal population are VISA overstays. Trump supporters, on the other hand, believe that the only solution to the "illegal problem" is to deport them all and to set up machine guns on the border to gun down the rest.

Democrats understand that only a very small portion of illegals are "criminals". They also KNOW that unskilled labor poses no issues to skilled labor. Democrats KNOW that tRUMPettes want to position all labor as unskilled when it suits them.

Democrats believe that "white privilege" exists. They also believe that tRUMPettes are mostly racists.

Democrats believe that Biden is doing a good job simply because they don't wake up every morning wondering "What did the fool do overnight?" But Democrats also know that Biden has the best interests of all of the county in mind. If trump had not been dethroned, NOBODY would be shocked to hear "We are going to provide the vaccine first to red states and to red cities in Democrat states. " Or, " The infrastructure bill I'm proposing will fix infrastructure in red states first. Once their infrastructure is fixed, any left over money will go to blue states". Actually, he wouldn't have said it exactly like that because I used complete sentences and words of more than one syllable.

Democrats also know that Venezuelans would love it if their country was as "socialist" as the US.[/QUOTE]When you say stupid stuff like this post then it shows that you have the brain of Bernie and AOC. This proves you are a socialist. If Biden would have said and done nothing then the Trump immigration policy would still be working and we wouldn't have a crises at the border. But when Biden said he was reversing all Trump policy on immigration the flood gates opened. That is a fact.

The infrastructure bill is 20% for roads, bridges and infrastructure and 80% for green buildings and schools in democratic poorly run states. A complete waste of money.

Biden has the best interests of his political career. He doesn't give a shit about American workers or citizens which has been proved in his first 100 days. He will tax the hell out of the middle class and get people back on welfare like Obama did.

Everyone knows that Venezuela would love to be like America was in the Trump presidency. But they will be like USA soon if Biden puts his policy's in force because USA will be socialist like them.

It one person that claims to be a democrat here can name one thing that Biden did in his first 100 days to boost business or create jobs. Please feel free to be the first.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2546552]There's been this trend going about the last five years or so where many feel that calling something a "fact" makes it a fact. Uh no it doesn't, but that's how Trump managed to rack up 20 K plus lies over that time.[/QUOTE]Our ex WHO (White House Occupant) amassed over 30,000 lies while in office, probably way more than all American presidents before him. That's a universal record, which, I hope, will hold at least for some time.

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/donald-trump-thirty-thousand-lies[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546775]Our ex WHO (White House Occupant) amassed over 30,000 lies while in office, probably way more than all American presidents before him. That's a universal record, which, I hope, will hold at least for some time.

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/donald-trump-thirty-thousand-lies[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years[/URL][/QUOTE]The so-called "lies" are things like Trump said "output is up by 30%" and it was actually 29.8%, or he said "it's a lovely day today" and there were actually some clouds in the sky. Just fake news bullshit, as we're accustomed to.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546757]When you say stupid stuff like this post then it shows that you have the brain of Bernie and AOC. This proves you are a socialist. If Biden would have said and done nothing then the Trump immigration policy would still be working and we wouldn't have a crises at the border. But when Biden said he was reversing all Trump policy on immigration the flood gates opened. That is a fact.

The infrastructure bill is 20% for roads, bridges and infrastructure and 80% for green buildings and schools in democratic poorly run states. A complete waste of money.

Biden has the best interests of his political career. He doesn't give a shit about American workers or citizens which has been proved in his first 100 days. He will tax the hell out of the middle class and get people back on welfare like Obama did.

Everyone knows that Venezuela would love to be like America was in the Trump presidency. But they will be like USA soon if Biden puts his policy's in force because USA will be socialist like them.

It one person that claims to be a democrat here can name one thing that Biden did in his first 100 days to boost business or create jobs. Please feel free to be the first.[/QUOTE]The democrats are smart and stupid at the same time.

Smart by opening the borders and letting in millions of third world migrants while pretending not to, which means that the whole country will turn brown as commiefornia and become a one party state. And smart by using the fake climate change bullshit to bring in socialism through the back door while pretending not to.

But stupid because they think that socialism and millions of third world immigrants will somehow work, and will not lead to disastrous socio-economic breakdown and chaos, and probably civil war / secession down the road.

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2546706]Hey Chris,

The party line changed last week.

"Reasonable people understand that the 'language of the political arena, like the language used in labor disputes. Is often vituperative, abusive and inexact."

And further down.

"reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process".

P32.

[URL]https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20519858-3-22-21-sidney-powell-defending-the-republic-motion-to-dismiss-dominion[/URL]

Of course this is a bunch of legalese. In the opinion of this independent, it simply means "if you believe this nonsense, it's your own damn fault."

Try to keep up, buddy.[/QUOTE]Another low information / low IQ poster.

Sigh.

The Sidney Powell case was about Dominion voting machines. I didn't mention them once. She had a theory that they were hacked and manipulated the data to favor Biden. I don't know if that is true, and have not commented.

That is completely separate and nothing to do with the obvious and clear fact that mass mail-in voting, in which millions of ballots are mailed out to wherever and then mailed back in, or harvested by political operatives, or stuffed into "dropboxes", or printed out en masse by operatives and filled out for the preferred candidiate, or whatever, is rife with fraud.

If mass mail-in voting is not obviously fraudulent, then why is it banned in almost all democracies around the world? Why not save people the time and trouble of showing up with ID and waiting in line to vote in person? Answer me that, genius.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546604]John, you still haven't let us know where you got your information that the Millennium Report was written "by a guy in Leningrad". Seems to conflict with your buddy Xpartan, who told us that it is published by David Horowitz's Freedom Center, both of which are entirely American. Could you clarify? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know the first thing about David Horowitz or his Freedom Center if I didn't tell you. You just copy-pasted the first piece of disinformation you managed to found on the subject matter that conformed to your own views. That's what right-wing propagandists are all about: laziness and readiness to lie whenever it suites them.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546793]You wouldn't know the first thing about David Horowitz or his Freedom Center if I didn't tell you. You just copy-pasted the first piece of disinformation you managed to found on the subject matter that conformed to your own views. That's what right-wing propagandists are all about: laziness and readiness to lie whenever it suites them.[/QUOTE]On the contrary, I was well aware of David Horowitz and the Freedom Center. As for your claim of "disinformation", which piece of information specifically was incorrect from the Millennium Report article? Ah, you can't find one. So you just shriek "disinformation!" and run. Do you work at CNN by any chance?

More amusingly, you clowned your buddy John Clayton, who claimed that the Millennium Report was "written by a guy in Leningrad". What about that, John? You've gone awful quiet on the subject. Almost as if you've been called out on yet another bullshit Russia hoax conspiracy theory, and you're just hoping if you stay quiet, everyone will forget about it. Or maybe you have secret intelligence from Adam Schiff that David Horowitz is a Russian spy! Come on John, we're waiting with bated breath, don't hold back.

Hey Chris!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546788]Another low information / low IQ poster.[/QUOTE]First: No need to hold it in!

Most people on this board aren't delicate flowers, so please feel free to express yourself as you see fit.

Second: Thank you!

I have been reading this message board for several weeks, and your posts most certainly have entertainment value. They have been the source of many laughs and chuckles for me, and I wanted to make sure I convey my appreciation.

Third: You have a point!

Sydney Powell indeed had a theory that the voting machines were hacked and manipulated (a scheme first devised by the late Hugo Chavez, I believe) to throw the election in Biden's favor. There are many more theories like that, like the one recently put forward by a BM that the (mostly conservative) supreme court justices refused to hear the case because they "were worried that the democrats, fake media and deep state would work up the blacks to riot, loot and burn cities again" (# 2487). According to Ms Powell, reasonable people should not accept such statements as fact.

Fourth: Apologies!

I gave up discussing politics with people in this country a while ago, but yesterday I could not resist poking the bear. I am amused but not surprised you took the bait.

Keep 'them coming!

Yours truly,

Bblob69.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546788]If mass mail-in voting is not obviously fraudulent, then why is it banned in almost all democracies around the world? Why not save people the time and trouble of showing up with ID and waiting in line to vote in person? Answer me that, genius.[/QUOTE]Really? Give us a list. All well run democracies provide for absentee voting where the persons are unable to attend a polling station.

You speak of fraud but the only real case that has been prosecuted of significant fraud was carried out by a Republican candidate.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546793]You wouldn't know the first thing about David Horowitz or his Freedom Center if I didn't tell you. You just copy-pasted the first piece of disinformation you managed to found on the subject matter that conformed to your own views. That's what right-wing propagandists are all about: laziness and readiness to lie whenever it suites them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546799]On the contrary, I was well aware of David Horowitz and the Freedom Center.[/QUOTE]You know how people say if my memory serves me right? Well, yours doesn't.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546699]
In fact, having just read Xpartan's latest serving of turgid fake news wordsludge, [b]it appears that the website in question is run by the David Horowitz Freedom Centre, which is entirely American, not Russian at all. Thanks for that, Xpartan![/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546793]You wouldn't know the first thing about David Horowitz or his Freedom Center if I didn't tell you....[/QUOTE]Okay, you know you all are victims, right? I admit, Trump did one thing brilliantly, which was to amplify Americans' natural tendency towards conspiracies. He fed your sense of grievance with the idea that you are being victimized, and you are.

Are we talking about this website: [URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/[/URL] ? I was simply asking if you know who owns it and who funds it. I don't know where you're getting David Horowitz and Freedom Center. Take any article and tell me who the author is. How 'about this one (picked at random): [URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/2021/03/operation-suez-shutdown-a-global-psyop-with-multiple-nefarious-nwo-ambitions/[/URL] "Operation Suez Shutdown: A Global Psyop. "? Do you believe this is a serious article or that it contains even a scrap of truth? What is the purpose of this article? Can you tell me who wrote it?

Defame the Times and the Post all you want, but we know who owns them and who writes the articles.

(Sigh. I should be doing something useful.) Here's a question that I hope you will try to answer honestly. Do you consider yourself religious? Do you believe in a god? Clearly, belief and reason are antipodes. If you have created a space in your brain for the belief that there is an invisible god that gives you instructions, then you can believe anything.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546757]The infrastructure bill is 20% for roads, bridges and infrastructure and 80% for green buildings and schools in democratic poorly run states. A complete waste of money.

Biden has the best interests of his political career. He doesn't give a shit about American workers or citizens which has been proved in his first 100 days. He will tax the hell out of the middle class and get people back on welfare like Obama did.

Everyone knows that Venezuela would love to be like America was in the Trump presidency. But they will be like USA soon if Biden puts his policy's in force because USA will be socialist like them.

It one person that claims to be a democrat here can name one thing that Biden did in his first 100 days to boost business or create jobs. Please feel free to be the first.[/QUOTE]Constructing and improving green buildings boosts the construction industry and create jobs.

Canada: Does your blindness help you in real life? (because everybody else saw that line coming).

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546788]Another low information / low IQ poster.[/QUOTE]Someone demonstrating their low IQ might do something like claim there is evidence of voter fraud when that issue was considered in dozens of recent legal cases where no fraud was proven to any court.

Sigh.

Trump's legal teams challenging the results of the 2020 election lost dozens and dozens of cases.

Lost their asses in court. Blown out of the fuckin water.

Because they were empty suits with empty files when they could not discover and show meaningful, material fraud evidence.

After spending millions of GOP dollars searching for evidence.

I don't recall any person voting for a republican candidate alleging that their vote was not recorded, or switched.

Do the right-wing rags you read have reports of specific voter fraud actions?

If there were fake ballots. ,. Wouldn't they be associated to specific registered voters who could report someone voting for them when they actually did not?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546788]That is completely separate and nothing to do with the obvious and clear fact that mass mail-in voting, in which millions of ballots are mailed out to wherever and then mailed back in, or harvested by political operatives, or stuffed into "dropboxes", or printed out en masse by operatives and filled out for the preferred candidiate, or whatever, is rife with fraud.

If mass mail-in voting is not obviously fraudulent, then why is it banned in almost all democracies around the world? [/QUOTE]It is not banned in Oregon, which I believe a has a 40-year history of large mail-in voting. I also believe they've been doing mail-in voting exclusively for more than 20 years.

It is not obviously fraudulent even if you cry it out 100 more times.

In year 2000 Oregon became the first state in the nation to conduct a presidential election entirely by mail. About 80% of registered voters participated.

According to Wikipedia: Vote-by-mail in Oregon has maintained a high level of support since it was passed in 1998. A survey done in 2003 by Dr. Priscilla Southwell, a professor of Political Science at University of Oregon, shows that 81% of respondents favored the vote-by-mail system while 19% favored traditional voting at poll booths. The poll also shows high favorability among both registered Democrats (85%) and Republicans (76% Thirty percent of respondents said they voted more often since vote-by-mail was enacted.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546910] Do you consider yourself religious? Do you believe in a god? Clearly, belief and reason are antipodes. If you have created a space in your brain for the belief that there is an invisible god that gives you instructions, then you can believe anything.[/QUOTE]Perfectly put. Commonsense at its best.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2546846]Really? Give us a list. All well run democracies provide for absentee voting where the persons are unable to attend a polling station.
[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535[/URL] (a "mainstream media" site. Not sure how these facts slipped through the fake news net tbh).

"Besides the United States, there are 36 member states in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Forty-seven percent ban mail-in voting unless the citizen is living abroad, and 30 percent require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Fourteen percent of the countries ban mail-in voting even for those living abroad.

In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for some citizens living in the country don't allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting for those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled. France has made an exception this year to its ban on mail-in ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the coronavirus pandemic.

Brazil and Russia satisfy the economic standards of the OECD, but are excluded for various political reasons. Both countries completely ban mail-in voting and require photo IDs for in-person voting.

Among the 27 countries in the European Union, 63 percent ban mail-in voting unless living abroad and another 22 percent require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Twenty-two percent ban the practice even for those who live abroad.

There are 16 countries in the rest of Europe, and they are even more restrictive. Every single one bans mail-in voting for those living in the country or require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Sixty-three percent don't allow mail-in ballots even for citizens living outside of the country.

In 1991, Mexico's election mandated voter photo IDs and banned absentee ballots. The then-governing Institutional Revolutionary Party had long used fraud and intimidation with mail-in ballots in order to win elections.

Are all of these countries, socialist and non-socialist alike, Western and Eastern European, developed and undeveloped, acting "without evidence?

If concern about voter fraud with mail-in ballots is delusional, it is a delusion that is shared by most of the world. Even the countries that allow mail-in ballots have protections, such as government-issued photo IDs. But Americans are constantly assured even this step is completely unnecessary. Without basic precautions, our elections are on course to become the laughingstock of the developed world. ".

So most democracies ban mail-in voting outright for anyone living in the country. A minority of others allow it in very occasional, highly restrictive circumstances, such as disability, which requires photo ID and special individual certification organised months in advance. What nobody except the USA does is spam out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, and accept them back from whatever democrat political operatives show up with a pallet of 300,000 at 4 am, 96% for their candidate.

Damn son, you just got BTFO'd. Sit down.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546910]Okay, you know you all are victims, right? I admit, Trump did one thing brilliantly, which was to amplify Americans' natural tendency towards conspiracies. He fed your sense of grievance with the idea that you are being victimized, and you are.

Are we talking about this website: [URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/[/URL] ? I was simply asking if you know who owns it and who funds it. I don't know where you're getting David Horowitz and Freedom Center. Take any article and tell me who the author is. How 'about this one (picked at random): [URL]http://themillenniumreport.com/2021/03/operation-suez-shutdown-a-global-psyop-with-multiple-nefarious-nwo-ambitions/[/URL] "Operation Suez Shutdown: A Global Psyop. "? Do you believe this is a serious article or that it contains even a scrap of truth? What is the purpose of this article? Can you tell me who wrote it?

Defame the Times and the Post all you want, but we know who owns them and who writes the articles.

(Sigh. I should be doing something useful.) Here's a question that I hope you will try to answer honestly. Do you consider yourself religious? Do you believe in a god? Clearly, belief and reason are antipodes. If you have created a space in your brain for the belief that there is an invisible god that gives you instructions, then you can believe anything.[/QUOTE]Very amusing watching you get mad at Xpartan. Have at it. Just one clarification though. You weren't "simply asking if you know who owns and funds it". What you actually stated on March 25th was "These articles are written by some guy at Glavset in Leningrad. The Russians have been practicing advanced propaganda for over 100 years".

Do you still stand by your statement?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2546883]You know how people say if my memory serves me right? Well, yours doesn't.[/QUOTE]I imagine you've always had difficulty reading, so let me explain it in simple terms that you'll hopefully understand.

I wrote "On the contrary, I was well aware of David Horowitz and the Freedom Center". That means I know who David Horowitz and his Freedom Center are. I didn't say that I was aware that Horowitz was the publisher of the Millennium Report. That is because I couldn't be bothered doing the Google search which revealed the information. Instead, you ran the errand for me. Here's a pat on the head. I'll let you know when I need more menial tasks done, till then here's a quarter, now run along to the candy store.

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2546811]Hey Chris!

First: Low IQ point.

Second: Low IQ point

Third: Low IQ point

Fourth: Apologies!

Yours truly,

Bblob69.[/QUOTE]Well, one out of four is an improvement. Why are you still blathering about Sidney Powell when I have never given an opinion on that, as I already told you in my last post? Ah, it's the IQ. Good luck with that. Try eating salmon.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546952]Well, one out of four is an improvement. Why are you still blathering about Sidney Powell when I have never given an opinion on that, as I already told you in my last post? Ah, it's the IQ. Good luck with that. Try eating salmon.[/QUOTE]Hey Chris!

Thank you for indulging my request to keep it coming.

Your question why I am "still blathering about Sidney Powell" is a good one, because it made me realize that I shouldn't make assumptions about a person's cognitive abilities. There are many interesting characters out there who believe that the presidential election was stolen, and ponder how that was possible. One theory was that the voting machines were rigged via some Venezuelan hack. The person pushing that theory started to backpedal though, and now says that reasonable people would recognize that she pulled that story out of her ass. Another poster on this forum here postulates that the supreme court as the last safety net failed, because the mostly conservative judges were afraid the crazy Democrats would egg on black people to burn down the country. Needless to say this theory is equally whack, and I imagine that the poster ChrisP might eventually also say it was just a brain fart. Do you think if I had posted "Reasonable people find these wacko election theft theories rather hilarious" it would have been easier to grasp?

Great stuff as always Chris, keep it up!

Yours truly.

Bblob69.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546943][URL

So most democracies ban mail-in voting outright for anyone living in the country. A minority of others allow it in very occasional, highly restrictive circumstances, such as disability, which requires photo ID and special individual certification organised months in advance. What nobody except the USA does is spam out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, and accept them back from whatever democrat political operatives show up with a pallet of 300,000 at 4 am, 96% for their candidate.[/QUOTE]Copied from official Government websites relating to voting.

Voting by post in UK.

You must apply for a postal vote if you want to vote by post, for example if:

You're away from home.

You're abroad and want to vote in England, Scotland or Wales.

You do not need to give a reason unless you're voting in Northern Ireland.

Australia.

If you can't vote on election day, you can vote.

Before the election.

You can send us your vote in the mail.

This is called a postal vote.

You must apply for a postal vote.

NZ.

We don't automatically send voting papers to overseas voters, so get your voting paper by:

Downloading one online.

Voting in person at an overseas voting place.

Voting papers are available from about 2 weeks before election day. When a by-election is on, check this website for the details you need to get a voting paper and return it to us.

Canada.

Eligible electors can apply to vote by special ballot. With a special ballot, you can vote by mail from anywhere in the world.

If you live in Canada, you may apply once an election has been called.

If you live abroad, you may apply anytime – click the button below:

Sweden.

Vote in advance in your own or another municipality.

To vote in advance means that you vote somewhere else than at your.

Polling station. Advance voting starts approximately 3 weeks before.

Election Day and goes on right up to Election Day itself.

You must bring your voting card when you vote in advance since it is.

Used to send your vote to your polling station. It is there that your vote is.

Counted.

You can obtain information about where you can vote in advance at.

[URL]www.val.se[/URL] or from your municipality.

Vote from abroad.

If you are abroad, you can vote by post, or vote at many Swedish embassies.

And consulates. In order to vote by post, you need material that you order.

From the Election Authority. You can vote by post as early as 45 days before.

Election Day, and vote at embassies and consulates as early as 24 days before.

Election Day.

Netherlands.

Voting by post.

Dutch nationals who live abroad generally vote by post. You need to send your ballot paper to a postal vote polling station together with your postal vote certificate and a copy of your valid Dutch passport or identity card.

I am not going to take up pages of the board. These are every one I have looked up so far.

All allow postal voting to a greater or lesser degree.

The reality is that Republicans don't want postal voting because they want to disincentivise voting by limiting polling stations in democratic areas hoping that long queues will dissuade people from voting.

I personally think that postal voting during a pandemic made a lot of sense. I don't have a problem with restricting postal voting to picking the ballots up from an official office or post office or the like and presenting The same ID that is lawfully required. However I think there should be minimum standards for early voting and the number of polling stations open per population density and travel to reach the nearest booth so that people are not required to excessively queue or travel in order to vote.

[QUOTE=Canada;2546757]When you say stupid stuff like this post then it shows that you have the brain of Bernie and AOC. This proves you are a socialist. If Biden would have said and done nothing then the Trump immigration policy would still be working and we wouldn't have a crises at the border. But when Biden said he was reversing all Trump policy on immigration the flood gates opened. That is a fact.

The infrastructure bill is 20% for roads, bridges and infrastructure and 80% for green buildings and schools in democratic poorly run states. A complete waste of money.

Biden has the best interests of his political career. He doesn't give a shit about American workers or citizens which has been proved in his first 100 days. He will tax the hell out of the middle class and get people back on welfare like Obama did.

Everyone knows that Venezuela would love to be like America was in the Trump presidency. But they will be like USA soon if Biden puts his policy's in force because USA will be socialist like them.

It one person that claims to be a democrat here can name one thing that Biden did in his first 100 days to boost business or create jobs. Please feel free to be the first.[/QUOTE]It used to be that the only certain things were "death and taxes".

Now it is "death and taxes and tRUMP supporters are lunatics. "

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546943][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535[/URL] (a "mainstream media" site. Not sure how these facts slipped through the fake news net tbh).

"Besides the United States, there are 36 member states in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Forty-seven percent ban mail-in voting unless the citizen is living abroad, and 30 percent require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Fourteen percent of the countries ban mail-in voting even for those living abroad.

In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for some citizens living in the country don't allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting for those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled. France has made an exception this year to its ban on mail-in ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the coronavirus pandemic.

Brazil and Russia satisfy the economic standards of the OECD, but are excluded for various political reasons. Both countries completely ban mail-in voting and require photo IDs for in-person voting.

Among the 27 countries in the European Union, 63 percent ban mail-in voting unless living abroad and another 22 percent require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Twenty-two percent ban the practice even for those who live abroad..[/QUOTE]Of the countries to which you alluded.

1. How many have made voting day a national holiday?

2. How many offer an extremely easy way, a the federal level, to obtain a voter ID?

3. How many have elections controlled at the federal level?

Answer. All of them.

But Republicans would never stand for that type of nonsense in the US.

It looks like QAnon American far-right conspiracy conspirators may allegedly have their secret cabal of Satan-worshiping, cannibalistic pedophiles, running a child sex-trafficking ring.

"Multiple women interviewed by the FBI in a probe of Rep. Matt Gaetz told investigators the Florida Republican paid them for sex, The New York Times reports. "

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-investigation.html [/URL]

FBI levies multiple charges against Florida Tax Collector and "Trump-Humper", Joel Greenberg. Among those charges are fraud, embezzlement and sex trafficking. Notably this case dovetails nicely into the sex trafficking and sex with a minor case they have against "Trump-Humper", Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz.

This story is so bizarre, you'd think QAnon made it up. Seems like they may have been right all along [i][b]...only they should have been looking in their own QAnon Republican backyard.[/b][/i]

QAnon Republican hubris!

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/31/joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-investigations/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2547034]It used to be that the only certain things were "death and taxes".

Now it is "death and taxes and tRUMP supporters are lunatics. "[/QUOTE]I guess you also could not answer the question either like all the other socialists.

I guess the answer is their are none.

Name one policy the Biden has put in his first 100 days that helped small business or middle class in USA? Name one foreign policy administered in first 100 days by Biden?

Is your answer the same as the rest of the socialists here? None!!

[QUOTE=Canada;2547168]Name one foreign policy administered in first 100 days by Biden?

Is your answer the same as the rest of the socialists here? None!![/QUOTE]Hey Canada,

I am not a socialist, but maybe I can chime in?

Would you consider the sanctions against the Chinese government as foreign policy?

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-sanctions-chinese-government-officials-uyghur[/URL]

Would you consider the sanctions against the Russian government as foreign policy?

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-hits-russia-sanctions-opposition-leader-navalnys-poisoning/story?id=76194032[/URL]

Just asking.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2546788]If mass mail-in voting is not obviously fraudulent, then why is it banned in almost all democracies around the world?.[/QUOTE]Nice loaded question that assumes the veracity of Trump's 28,368th lie. Plenty of democracies have mail in voting. That would include the US, the UK, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Poland, Canada, and Australia. No reason is required in the UK excluding Northern Ireland, nor in Germany or Switzerland. The US has had successful mass mail in voting in a number of states for many years and before the pandemic. Access in Canada is substantial and ever increasing. There's a number of top tier democratic heavy hitters on that list, so you're "almost" gets you nothing even in horseshoes.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/trumps-assertion-that-only-two-european-nations-allow-mail-in-voting/[/URL]

Bottom line is that you are crying day in and day out in a monger forum about an election you lost five months ago. You had your chance to prove all this fraud in court but were only continually laughed at, all the way to the Supreme Court. The people said no to your wuss draft dodger hiding in an alpha male shell. Man up, accept it, and try to do better next time. All this lying and crying and shaking your finger at Jews is repulsive and unAmerican.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547168]I guess you also could not answer the question either like all the other socialists.

I guess the answer is their are none.

Name one policy the Biden has put in his first 100 days that helped small business or middle class in USA? Name one foreign policy administered in first 100 days by Biden?

Is your answer the same as the rest of the socialists here? None!![/QUOTE]1. Extension of small business loans program.

2. expansion of medicare access to higher income brackets.

3. child payments.

4. Infrastructure spending.

5. rollback of most of Trumps executive orders.

Just a few of the many. There is really no point in going into detail as you are too busy running your multinational conglomerates to read any facts.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2547200]1. Extension of small business loans program.

2. expansion of medicare access to higher income brackets.

3. child payments.

4. Infrastructure spending.

5. rollback of most of Trumps executive orders.

Just a few of the many. There is really no point in going into detail as you are too busy running your multinational conglomerates to read any facts.[/QUOTE]You are kidding. Right this is a disgrace.

Why should having to show identification at a polling place be an issue? It's not like there's anybody who doesn't have an IDee, is there? In the USA, you need IDee to drive, bank, fly, get a credit card, what else? Rent anything, open a utility account, get a marriage license, show while being arrested. How many people are there living their lives never doing anything that needs to show identification? Or any American who doesn't have a social security number? Asking for an IDee seems like a total non-issue, yet it's being politicized. Why?

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2547190]Hey Canada,

I am not a socialist, but maybe I can chime in?

Would you consider the sanctions against the Chinese government as foreign policy?

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-sanctions-chinese-government-officials-uyghur[/URL]

Would you consider the sanctions against the Russian government as foreign policy?

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-hits-russia-sanctions-opposition-leader-navalnys-poisoning/story?id=76194032[/URL]

Just asking.[/QUOTE]Are you saying Biden did not reverse Trumps tariffs and sanctions so he can take credit?

[QUOTE=Canada;2547218]Are you saying Biden did not reverse Trumps tariffs and sanctions so he can take credit?[/QUOTE]No. If you read the articles, you'll see they sanctioned officials who hadn't been dinged before. That sounds a bit like foreign policy. No?

[QUOTE=Canada;2547216]You are kidding. Right this is a disgrace.[/QUOTE]This is how big business executives argue their cases? Sniffing a brandy and smoking a cigar and all nodding to "this is a disgrace that we have to pay tax, sob sob"!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2546910]Okay, you know you all are victims, right? I admit, Trump did one thing brilliantly, which was to amplify Americans' natural tendency towards conspiracies. [/QUOTE]You don't have to argue with people who agree with you, LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2547199]Nice loaded question that assumes the veracity of Trump's 28,368th lie. Plenty of democracies have mail in voting. That would include the US, the UK, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Poland, Canada, and Australia. No reason is required in the UK excluding Northern Ireland, nor in Germany or Switzerland. The US has had successful mass mail in voting in a number of states for many years and before the pandemic. Access in Canada is substantial and ever increasing. There's a number of top tier democratic heavy hitters on that list, so you're "almost" gets you nothing even in horseshoes.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/trumps-assertion-that-only-two-european-nations-allow-mail-in-voting/[/URL]

Bottom line is that you are crying day in and day out in a monger forum about an election you lost five months ago. You had your chance to prove all this fraud in court but were only continually laughed at, all the way to the Supreme Court. The people said no to your wuss draft dodger hiding in an alpha male shell. Man up, accept it, and try to do better next time. All this lying and crying and shaking your finger at Jews is repulsive and unAmerican.[/QUOTE]Just a cursory check would reveal that mail-in voting is a common practice in at least 10 FIRST-WORLD countries besides the US.

Australia.

Austria.

Canada.

Finland.

France.

Germany.

Hungary.

India.

Indonesia.

Italy.

Malaysia.

Mexico.

Philippines.

Spain.

Switzerland.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2547022]Copied from official Government websites relating to voting.

Voting by post in UK.

You must apply for a postal vote if you want to vote by post, for example if:

You're away from home.

You're abroad and want to vote in England, Scotland or Wales.

You do not need to give a reason unless you're voting in Northern Ireland.

Australia.

If you can't vote on election day, you can vote.

Before the election.

You can send us your vote in the mail.

This is called a postal vote.

You must apply for a postal vote.

NZ.

We don't automatically send voting papers to overseas voters, so get your voting paper by:

Downloading one online.

Voting in person at an overseas voting place.

Voting papers are available from about 2 weeks before election day. When a by-election is on, check this website for the details you need to get a voting paper and return it to us.

Canada.

Eligible electors can apply to vote by special ballot. With a special ballot, you can vote by mail from anywhere in the world.

If you live in Canada, you may apply once an election has been called.

If you live abroad, you may apply anytime click the button below:

Sweden.

Vote in advance in your own or another municipality.

To vote in advance means that you vote somewhere else than at your.

Polling station. Advance voting starts approximately 3 weeks before.

Election Day and goes on right up to Election Day itself.

You must bring your voting card when you vote in advance since it is.

Used to send your vote to your polling station. It is there that your vote is.

Counted.

You can obtain information about where you can vote in advance at.

[URL]www.val.se[/URL] or from your municipality.

Vote from abroad.

If you are abroad, you can vote by post, or vote at many Swedish embassies.

And consulates. In order to vote by post, you need material that you order.

From the Election Authority. You can vote by post as early as 45 days before.

Election Day, and vote at embassies and consulates as early as 24 days before.

Election Day.

Netherlands.

Voting by post.

Dutch nationals who live abroad generally vote by post. You need to send your ballot paper to a postal vote polling station together with your postal vote certificate and a copy of your valid Dutch passport or identity card.

I am not going to take up pages of the board. These are every one I have looked up so far.

All allow postal voting to a greater or lesser degree.

The reality is that Republicans don't want postal voting because they want to disincentivise voting by limiting polling stations in democratic areas hoping that long queues will dissuade people from voting.

I personally think that postal voting during a pandemic made a lot of sense. I don't have a problem with restricting postal voting to picking the ballots up from an official office or post office or the like and presenting The same ID that is lawfully required. However I think there should be minimum standards for early voting and the number of polling stations open per population density and travel to reach the nearest booth so that people are not required to excessively queue or travel in order to vote.[/QUOTE]Try to read, buddy. Those countries you listed provide postal voting for citizens living *ABROAD* who have no way of getting to a poll, or in special individual cases for eligible voters which must be arranged well in advance (ie sick housebound people).

What they do not do is spam tens of millions of ballots out by regular mail to whoever, wherever, and accept them back in whatever fashion (ballot harvesting by political operatives; so-called "dropboxes" which can be filled by anyone) with no proof whatsoever that the person who ticked the boxes is the person it was sent out to. Which is how you get the count stopped at midnight in democrat cities in states where Trump is way ahead, and then suddenly hundreds of thousands of "ballots" show up at 4 am, 96% of them for Biden.

It's bullshit. For a secure election, the vast majority of votes must be cast in person in secure polling stations after showing ID. The votes must then be counted on site immediately after the close of voting, with observers from both political parties permitted to watch everything. It is not rocket science. Unfortunately none of that happened in the laughable fraud of a 2020 election.

Oh, and now the democrats and fake media are having a meltdown about Georgia securing future elections from the same kind of fraud. It's hard to tell among the oceans of bullshit they spew but it seems their argument is that black people are too stupid to get a photo ID and too lazy to wait in line to vote. Sounds pretty racist to me.

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2547016]
Your question why I am "still blathering about Sidney Powell" is a good one, because it made me realize that I shouldn't make assumptions about a person's cognitive abilities. There are many interesting characters out there who believe that the presidential election was stolen, and ponder how that was possible. One theory was that the voting machines were rigged via some Venezuelan hack. The person pushing that theory started to backpedal though, and now says that reasonable people would recognize that she pulled that story out of her ass. Another poster on this forum here postulates that the supreme court as the last safety net failed, because the mostly conservative judges were afraid the crazy Democrats would egg on black people to burn down the country. [/QUOTE]Those are two completely different and separate points. Obviously your brain has difficulty differentiating between things, which is an indicator of extreme low IQ. I have never mentioned the voting machine theory. However, the black riots of last year were clearly a thing, despite the best efforts of the democrats and the fake news media to cover them up. Indeed, no less a person than Kamala Harris. The former low level San Francisco assistant district attorney who sucked and fucked the married San Francisco mayor 30 years her senior, Willie Brown, into giving her her big political break. Encouraged these riots, which caused billions of dollars of damage and lost revenue. It was therefore clearly in the minds of the Justices when they took the cowardly and laughable option in refusing to hear a major case brought by 20 of the states of the Union.

It is clearly not in your mind. Very little is.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2547037]Of the countries to which you alluded.

1. How many have made voting day a national holiday?

2. How many offer an extremely easy way, a the federal level, to obtain a voter ID?

3. How many have elections controlled at the federal level?

Answer. All of them.

But Republicans would never stand for that type of nonsense in the US.[/QUOTE]No link to proof of any of that. Many countries do not make voting day a national holiday. And even if they did, it would discriminate against people working in private companies that remain open on public holidays, and in favour of people working for the government. The polls open very early and close very late, so anyone who wishes to vote can find the time.

You don't need a federal photo ID, you can get a state one. You need photo ID for most simple tasks of life and they are very easy and cheap to obtain. This idea that blacks are apparently too stupid, broke and lazy to get one seems very racist to me.

All of this is a diversion and non-sequitur of course. As the excellent article to which I linked made clear, the vast majority of democracies around the world do not permit or have very strict controls on mail-in voting. This is because mass mail-in voting is obviously fraudulent, as was the case in the 2020 US presidential "election".

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2547199]Nice loaded question.....Plenty of democracies have mail in voting. .[/QUOTE]A misleading statement. Some democracies permit mail-in voting *IN EXTREMELY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES*, for example for citizens living abroad, or for people who are so sick they cannot physically leave their homes. These have to be arrange months in advance, with photo ID, and constitute a tiny minority of total votes, the vast majority of which are cast in person with ID at polling stations.

What they do not do is what happened in the US election (unconstitutionally, as it was done without the consent of the state legislatures) which is spam out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, and accept them back in whatever way: harvested by political operatives; from "dropboxes" in which anyone can stuff anything; in pallets of 300,000, 96% for Biden at 4 am; and none of them with any proof that they were filled in by the person to whom they were supposedly sent.

Just accept it, buddy. Mass mail-in voting is fraudulent. You're trying to argue water is dry.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547273]Just a cursory check would reveal that mail-in voting is a common practice in at least 10 FIRST-WORLD countries besides the US.
[/QUOTE]Yet again, an unsurprisingly fake take from this doofus. I'll continue to correct his falsehoods.

Mail-in voting is not a "common practice" first world countries. Some democracies permit mail-in voting *IN EXTREMELY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES*, for example for citizens living abroad, or for people who are so sick they cannot physically leave their homes. These have to be arrange months in advance, with photo ID, and constitute a tiny minority of total votes, the vast majority of which are cast in person with ID at polling stations.

What they do not do is what happened in the US election (unconstitutionally, as it was done without the consent of the state legislatures) which is spam out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, and accept them back in whatever way: harvested by political operatives; from "dropboxes" in which anyone can stuff anything; in pallets of 300,000, 96% for Biden at 4 am; and none of them with any proof that they were filled in by the person to whom they were supposedly sent.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547168]I guess you also could not answer the question either like all the other socialists.

I guess the answer is their are none.

Name one policy the Biden has put in his first 100 days that helped small business or middle class in USA? Name one foreign policy administered in first 100 days by Biden?

Is your answer the same as the rest of the socialists here? None!![/QUOTE]Of course they cannot answer, so they use diversion and non-sequiturs.

This so-called "infrastructure" bill is a classic democrat / fakenews con. They call it "infrastructure" because to most people that means roads, bridges, etc. But as you have correctly pointed out, only a tiny fraction of it goes to actual infrastructure. The vast majority goes to left-wing bullshit such as green energy climate change nonsense; affirmative action welfare handouts for democrat shithole cities, etc.

This has been the democrat / media playbook for a long time. They tried to push AOC's bullshit so-called "Green New Deal" (shutting down the economy and bankrupting the country, and concentrating wealth and power in the hands of Washington, under the excuse of the fake climate change scam) but to their credit the American people rejected it. So now they push the same anti-freedom crap but call it "infrastructure", and of course the fake media goes along with it.

This is also why they have ramped up the censorship on social media, and are trying to get Fox pulled off the air. They can't debate openly; they can't allow people to openly challenge their fake socialist bullshit scams and cons. If they are honest, they get BTFO'd. Hell, even with the censorship and fake news they still lose elections, hence the need for mail-in voter fraud.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547218]Are you saying Biden did not reverse Trumps tariffs and sanctions so he can take credit?[/QUOTE]Come on Canada, what kind of answer is this? That's not how it goes. There are lots of people reading this thread, and they want to be entertained. To make sure we are on the same page, here is the playbook, step by step.

The game starts with a Trumper posting a statement that makes people believe he is borderline demented. The equivalent of something like '2+2 = 5'. So your start was actually pretty good. Then someone who is capable of independent thought and reasoning says something equivalent to 'no no no, 2+2 is not equal to 5'. And this is where the disconnect is Canada: at this point the Trumper is supposed to fly off the handle, and supposed to post a response that makes no particular sense but abundantly uses terms like 'radical left', 'fake media', 'socialism', 'low IQ', 'Hillary', etc (extra marks for a good conspiracy theory or two). And then we go from there.

Hope this helps, you really dropped the ball there. If you need some good practical examples to tune your game: I really enjoy playing 'Trumpie' with your friend ChrisP. He seems to have a few anxiety issues, but he has no filter, and he surely is on fire this morning.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547319]No link to proof of any of that. Many countries do not make voting day a national holiday. And even if they did, it would discriminate against people working in private companies that remain open on public holidays, and in favour of people working for the government. The polls open very early and close very late, so anyone who wishes to vote can find the time.

You don't need a federal photo ID, you can get a state one. You need photo ID for most simple tasks of life and they are very easy and cheap to obtain. This idea that blacks are apparently too stupid, broke and lazy to get one seems very racist to me.

All of this is a diversion and non-sequitur of course. As the excellent article to which I linked made clear, the vast majority of democracies around the world do not permit or have very strict controls on mail-in voting. This is because mass mail-in voting is obviously fraudulent, as was the case in the 2020 US presidential "election".[/QUOTE]Here's a link to a country-by-country voting analysis. It shows that most countries hold voting on a weekend day or voting day is a holiday. Yes it is Wikipedia so there might be errors but the net result is that the US is in the minority re: what day the vote is held.

Your ID comment shows how out-of-touch you are. Racist, too.

If mail-in voting is fraudulent, there must be proof, right? How many of trump's 60-some-odd "election fraud lawsuits" were thrown out because they offered NO proof? All of them. And many of those dismissals were done by Republican judges. But maybe you are smarter than trump and his legal team. Maybe you have the proof that they didn't. Oh wait! The lawsuits didn't get thrown out because they lacked proof, they got thrown out because the deep state satanic pedophiles didn't want trump to win.

The upshot is that the only proof that exists is the "the election was fraudulent because I say so" proof. Just because 74 million idiots believe the big lie doesn't mean the lie is true.

Get over it. Trump lost so stop whining.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547318]Those are two completely different and separate points. Obviously your brain has difficulty differentiating between things, which is an indicator of extreme low IQ. I have never mentioned the voting machine theory. However, the black riots of last year were clearly a thing, despite the best efforts of the democrats and the fake news media to cover them up. Indeed, no less a person than Kamala Harris. The former low level San Francisco assistant district attorney who sucked and fucked the married San Francisco mayor 30 years her senior, Willie Brown, into giving her her big political break. Encouraged these riots, which caused billions of dollars of damage and lost revenue. It was therefore clearly in the minds of the Justices when they took the cowardly and laughable option in refusing to hear a major case brought by 20 of the states of the Union.

It is clearly not in your mind. Very little is.[/QUOTE]Hey Chris!

As always, your posts provide great value (of sorts), but this one stands out in my opinion. As you know, there are a lot of crazy people who think the government has business in a woman's uterus. And with some of those religious nut jobs serving on the supreme court, I started to wonder how this is going to end. But your post opened my eyes. No need to worry, these supreme court justices are just a bunch of snowflakes! Maybe we can also send some angry woman folk looting in downtown DC, for good measure? That'll scare the shit out of them. They won't dare touching Roe v Wade.

Thank you, again, for putting my mind at ease. Your posts on this board are surely one of a kind.

Yours truly.

Bblob69.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547216]You are kidding. Right this is a disgrace.[/QUOTE]This is the type of empty post Canada makes when one of many defeats his stupid utterings.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547332]Of course they cannot answer, so they use diversion and non-sequiturs.

This so-called "infrastructure" bill is a classic democrat / fakenews con. They call it "infrastructure" because to most people that means roads, bridges, etc. But as you have correctly pointed out, only a tiny fraction of it goes to actual infrastructure. The vast majority goes to left-wing bullshit such as green energy climate change nonsense; affirmative action welfare handouts for democrat shithole cities, etc.

This has been the democrat / media playbook for a long time. They tried to push AOC's bullshit so-called "Green New Deal" (shutting down the economy and bankrupting the country, and concentrating wealth and power in the hands of Washington, under the excuse of the fake climate change scam) but to their credit the American people rejected it. So now they push the same anti-freedom crap but call it "infrastructure", and of course the fake media goes along with it.

This is also why they have ramped up the censorship on social media, and are trying to get Fox pulled off the air. They can't debate openly; they can't allow people to openly challenge their fake socialist bullshit scams and cons. If they are honest, they get BTFO'd. Hell, even with the censorship and fake news they still lose elections, hence the need for mail-in voter fraud.[/QUOTE]Could all this anger be harvested somehow as an energy source?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2547390]Could all this anger be harvested somehow as an energy source?[/QUOTE]Let's do a crowdsource to buy him a bib or a bucket to retain all the foam spewing out his mouth.

You need to read your own crap you're spewing. You've answered your question.

Those other countries may or may not have and/or use mail-in voting, because they don't have backwards repressive and archaic Jim Crow type voting suppression laws.

Those other countries don't employ repressive voter suppression laws and gerrymandering voting districts, where people line up for 10+ hours to vote.

They provide voting stations that are close, nearby and at available convenient hours for all their citizens.

Many even provide the day-off work or a reduced working day to go and vote.

They actually believe, their [b]citizens voting in a more inclusive democracy is a better democracy. [/b]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547317]Try to read, buddy. Those countries you listed provide postal voting for citizens living *ABROAD* who have no way of getting to a poll, or in special individual cases for eligible voters which must be arranged well in advance (ie sick housebound people).

What they do not do is spam tens of millions of ballots out by regular mail to whoever, wherever, and accept them back in whatever fashion (ballot harvesting by political operatives; so-called "dropboxes" which can be filled by anyone) with no proof whatsoever that the person who ticked the boxes is the person it was sent out to. Which is how you get the count stopped at midnight in democrat cities in states where Trump is way ahead, and then suddenly hundreds of thousands of "ballots" show up at 4 am, 96% of them for Biden.

It's bullshit. For a secure election, the vast majority of votes must be cast in person in secure polling stations after showing ID. The votes must then be counted on site immediately after the close of voting, with observers from both political parties permitted to watch everything. It is not rocket science. Unfortunately none of that happened in the laughable fraud of a 2020 election.

Oh, and now the democrats and fake media are having a meltdown about Georgia securing future elections from the same kind of fraud. It's hard to tell among the oceans of bullshit they spew but it seems their argument is that black people are too stupid to get a photo ID and too lazy to wait in line to vote. Sounds pretty racist to me.[/QUOTE]

If has been alleged that millions of fraudulent votes were cast using mail-in ballots. Why haven't any meaningful number ever been found? Every ballot has the name of a registered voter tied directly to it. With millions of investigation dollars why has no group of fake ballots ever been found?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547440]If has been alleged that millions of fraudulent votes were cast using mail-in ballots. Why haven't any meaningful number ever been found? Every ballot has the name of a registered voter tied directly to it. With millions of investigation dollars why has no group of fake ballots ever been found?[/QUOTE]We were given a sideshow as Trump and a crew of shister lawyers bilked the ReTrumplicans for the funds to pay for the Hail Mary passes. But it's actually too generous to call these laughing stocks Hail Marys. The Supreme Court that Trump thought he bought of course offered no relief as his slimeball business tactics were annihiated by the courts. The last stand was plain hilarious, where a whimpering and whining Trump called Pence a "pussy" while demanding that he refuse to count some electoral votes submitted from the states. Pence though, loyal as he was knew the jig was up as the Constitution gave him no such authority. It all comes back to this photo that was circulating around at the time, that was as appropo as it gets. Sweet.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547440]If has been alleged that millions of fraudulent votes were cast using mail-in ballots. Why haven't any meaningful number ever been found? Every ballot has the name of a registered voter tied directly to it. With millions of investigation dollars why has no group of fake ballots ever been found?[/QUOTE]Don't you know? Because Damn Dems have rigged everything, why else? Like really EVERYTHING. Newspapers, TV stations, the Internet, state election agencies, governors, lawyers, judges, even the SCOTUS Trump stuffed to his liking. I mean, poor GOP, why even keep fighting since the Dems are so malevolent and omnipotent? Time to give up.

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2547359]Come on Canada, what kind of answer is this? That's not how it goes. There are lots of people reading this thread, and they want to be entertained. To make sure we are on the same page, here is the playbook, step by step.

The game starts with a Trumper posting a statement that makes people believe he is borderline demented. The equivalent of something like '2+2 = 5'. So your start was actually pretty good. Then someone who is capable of independent thought and reasoning says something equivalent to 'no no no, 2+2 is not equal to 5'. And this is where the disconnect is Canada: at this point the Trumper is supposed to fly off the handle, and supposed to post a response that makes no particular sense but abundantly uses terms like 'radical left', 'fake media', 'socialism', 'low IQ', 'Hillary', etc (extra marks for a good conspiracy theory or two). And then we go from there.

Hope this helps, you really dropped the ball there. If you need some good practical examples to tune your game: I really enjoy playing 'Trumpie' with your friend ChrisP. He seems to have a few anxiety issues, but he has no filter, and he surely is on fire this morning.[/QUOTE]Really LOL. Great playbook!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547440]If has been alleged that millions of fraudulent votes were cast using mail-in ballots. Why haven't any meaningful number ever been found? Every ballot has the name of a registered voter tied directly to it. With millions of investigation dollars why has no group of fake ballots ever been found?[/QUOTE]Unconstitutional democrat shenanigans regarding signature verification - [URL]https://lidblog.com/georgias-hand-recounts-incomplete/[/URL] - "changed the statutory requirement that the signature must match the signature on the voter registration card to simply matching the signature on the absentee ballot application. " Then once the ballot is separated from the envelope, it is gone. Steven Crowder has done some great work on tracking down some of the fake ballots that can still be traced: he sent guys out to several so-called voter addresses that don't exist.

I ask again: if mail-in voting is perfectly secure, and the idea that you can spam tens of millions of ballots out to whoever, wherever, and accept them back whenever, then why does no other democracy permit it, except in extremely rare and controlled circumstances (voters living abroad; voters who cannot physically leave their homes)?

And furthermore, the fact that the elections were altered to mass mail-in voting *WITHOUT STATE LEGISLATURE CONSENT* renders them unconstitutional. As the Supreme Court would have had to affirm, which is why they took the cowardly exit and refused to hear the case.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2547404]where people line up for 10+ hours to vote. [/QUOTE]Nobody in a single election in America has ever lined up for more than 10 hours to vote, you buffoon. Stop spewing bullshit.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2547390]Could all this anger be harvested somehow as an energy source?[/QUOTE]Still waiting on your clarification about the Millennium Report, buddy. You know, the one you said was written by "a guy in Leningrad" (a city which hasn't existed for 30 years but never mind), while Xpartan claims it is in fact published by David Horowitz of the Freedom Center, both of which are as American as John Wayne eating mom's apple pie. So the question is: do you still stand by your Leningrad statement? Yes or no will suffice.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2547380]Here's a link to a country-by-country voting analysis. It shows that most countries hold voting on a weekend day or voting day is a holiday. Yes it is Wikipedia so there might be errors but the net result is that the US is in the minority re: what day the vote is held.

Your ID comment shows how out-of-touch you are. Racist, too.

The lawsuits didn't get thrown out because they lacked proof.[/QUOTE]You didn't include a link, doofus. The link in the earlier post strengthened my case as it showed all other democracies have extremely strict rules on mail-in ballots: most don't permit them at all or only for citizens living outside the country; none simply spam them out by the million as happened in the US election last year. Why do you think that might be?

The "racism" comes from people who claim blacks are incapable of obtaining an ID or unwilling to show up to vote. I am not claiming that. You are, you racist.

The main lawsuits didn't get thrown out at all, ignoramus. For them to be thrown out they would have to have been accepted in the first place, but the court refused to look at them. Most notably the suit brought by no less than 20 states of the Union, on the unconstitutionality of altering the method of election (to mass mail-in voting) without the consent of the state legislatures, but rather by executive decree or judicial fiat.

I repeat: even if you believe every single mail-in ballot was legally cast and there was zero fraud (LOL), that is entirely irrelevant. The Constitution states clearly that the method of election must be decided by the legislative branch, not the executive or judicial. The legislatures were bypassed to make the changes, rendering the election unconstitutional and invalid. It is an open and shut case, which is why the Supreme Court had to (ludicrously) refuse to hear it. You can spin and squawk all you want but that fact remains true. The so-called "election" of former vice-president Biden was unconstitutional and invalid.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547501]Don't you know? Because Damn Dems have rigged everything, why else? Like really EVERYTHING. Newspapers, TV stations, the Internet, state election agencies, governors, lawyers, judges, even the SCOTUS Trump stuffed to his liking. I mean, poor GOP, why even keep fighting since the Dems are so malevolent and omnipotent? Time to give up.

Really LOL. Great playbook![/QUOTE]What model tin foil hat are you wearing?

Trump lost his ass in states with Republican controlled legislatures.

Crazy you must believe it was a bipartisan election steal Hahaha.

I pointed out that there's been no one reporting that a voter had their vote changed.

I pointed out that there's been no one reporting that they did not vote, yet had a ballot with their name voting on a fake ballot.

What is your response? That signature verification was loosened.

There still would be many people who did not vote for Biden getting their official vote count as a vote foe Biden (if there was widespread fraud).

If signature confirmation was the key to theft. ,. Why still no reports of people officially voting for Biden according to the register while they claim they did not?

If that happened, wouldn't we have millions of forged signatures? Yet gop voter fraud investigators could not find any!

Nobody who's signature was challenged has subsequently come out to state their vote was altered or faked!

Voter fraud = fake news.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547562]You didn't include a link, doofus. The link in the earlier post strengthened my case as it showed all other democracies have extremely strict rules on mail-in ballots: most don't permit them at all or only for citizens living outside the country; none simply spam them out by the million as happened in the US election last year. Why do you think that might be?[/QUOTE]It was in the news.

Called a pandemic. That resulted in changes.

Not a vast bipartisan conspiracy to steal an election.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547557]Still waiting on your clarification about the Millennium Report, buddy. You know, the one you said was written by "a guy in Leningrad" (a city which hasn't existed for 30 years but never mind), while Xpartan claims it is in fact published by David Horowitz of the Freedom Center, both of which are as American as John Wayne eating mom's apple pie. So the question is: do you still stand by your Leningrad statement? Yes or no will suffice.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the delay -- I had to do something far more important like eat a popscicle or take a shit. I will get back to you!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2547390]Could all this anger be harvested somehow as an energy source?[/QUOTE]Democrats have the monopoly on anger harvesting. On the floor of the final floor it says " Unity" there will never be unity with the anger and hatred of the democrats. The democrats hatred of America, free enterprise, free speech, hones elections, secure borders, white men, capitalism, history, Trump and everything in the past that made America great has created the angry socialist. They are angry at white kids because they do better on tests than black kids. The hatred and anger of these socialists is what is the death of USA as we know it. And to make things worse I the decent democrats (although there are few) are too scared to go against these idiots. The biggest racist in the USA are socialists who claim to be democrats who continually claim that black population can't pass tests, can't read their drivers license and can't think for themselves. Why can't democrats be prows of our ancestors for doing the best that they could in hard times.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547583]Democrats have the monopoly on anger harvesting. On the floor of the final floor it says " Unity" there will never be unity with the anger and hatred of the democrats. The democrats hatred of America, free enterprise, free speech, hones elections, secure borders, white men, capitalism, history, Trump and everything in the past that made America great has created the angry socialist. They are angry at white kids because they do better on tests than black kids. The hatred and anger of these socialists is what is the death of USA as we know it. And to make things worse I the decent democrats (although there are few) are too scared to go against these idiots. The biggest racist in the USA are socialists who claim to be democrats who continually claim that black population can't pass tests, can't read their drivers license and can't think for themselves. Why can't democrats be prows of our ancestors for doing the best that they could in hard times.[/QUOTE]So, obviously, there is some energy dissipated just through his keystrokes and the electrons going out through the ether; however, I'm suggesting that we enclose this guy with a "control volume" (familiar in Thermodynamics), which would be a theorectical surface completely enclosing him. Then you could measure the heat, sound, (fluids?) and "anger flux" (I just invented that term) irradiating from him that pass through the surface. Maybe it would be enough to do useful work -- power a lighbulb or toast a piece of bread.

Please define "our ancestors" some we assume, were good people ?

[QUOTE=Canada;2547583]The biggest racist in the USA are socialists who claim to be democrats who continually claim that black population can't pass tests, can't read their drivers license and can't think for themselves. Why can't democrats be prows of our ancestors for doing the best that they could in hard times.[/QUOTE]I am not a socialist.

Bernie Sanders, who is a social democrat, never says such horrible things.

Only you Canada, write such horrible, racists things.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547555]Nobody in a single election in America has ever lined up for more than 10 hours to vote, you buffoon. Stop spewing bullshit.[/QUOTE]Oh?

12-hour voting lines give me hope, even as America looks like a banana republic: [URL]https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/attytood/early-voting-long-lines-georgia-texas-turnout-voter-suppression-20201015.html[/URL].

More than 10-hour wait and long lines as early voting starts in Georgia: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/13/more-than-10-hour-wait-and-long-lines-as-early-voting-starts-in-georgia[/URL].

Stop spewing bullshit.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547557]Still waiting on your clarification about the Millennium Report, buddy. You know, the one you said was written by "a guy in Leningrad" (a city which hasn't existed for 30 years but never mind), while Xpartan claims it is in fact published by David Horowitz of the Freedom Center, both of which are as American as John Wayne eating mom's apple pie. So the question is: do you still stand by your Leningrad statement? Yes or no will suffice.[/QUOTE]Isn't it funny how ultra right-wingers who use lies and half-truths cheerfully and unapologetically, bug their opponents forever, pick on every word and pretend they don't understand any hyperboles, metaphors or sarcasm. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the city AKA Leningrad pretty much still exists, it's just called differently. And while that loon Horowitz might not directly work for the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, his musings are perfectly aligned with all bullshit propaganda disseminated by that Russian troll farm. And why wouldn't they? All world ultra-rights ultimately work for Putin. Some make fortunes in the process, others, like you dummies, are slaving for free.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2547571]Sorry for the delay -- I had to do something far more important like eat a popscicle or take a shit.[/QUOTE]Yes, you've left plenty of turds on this very forum.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547679]Oh?

12-hour voting lines give me hope, even as America looks like a banana republic: [URL]https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/attytood/early-voting-long-lines-georgia-texas-turnout-voter-suppression-20201015.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Aaaand most of the people in the photo are white. Stuck your foot up your arse there, didn't you? It turns out that there's no white privilege card that lets white people skip the line! Incredible news to a brainwashed leftist bullshit-spewing muppet, but reality all the same.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547583]Democrats have the monopoly on anger harvesting. On the floor of the final floor it says " Unity" there will never be unity with the anger and hatred of the democrats. The democrats hatred of America, free enterprise, free speech, hones elections, secure borders, white men, capitalism, history, Trump and everything in the past that made America great has created the angry socialist. They are angry at white kids because they do better on tests than black kids. The hatred and anger of these socialists is what is the death of USA as we know it. And to make things worse I the decent democrats (although there are few) are too scared to go against these idiots. The biggest racist in the USA are socialists who claim to be democrats who continually claim that black population can't pass tests, can't read their drivers license and can't think for themselves. Why can't democrats be prows of our ancestors for doing the best that they could in hard times.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Democrats hiding behind the racist claim that black people are too stupid and incapable to get a photo ID, and too lazy to wait in line. Ironically, the low IQ Xpartan has just yet again strengthened my argument by citing articles showing black (and white) people waiting for hours in line to vote with ID: so clearly they *can" do it after all!

Of course the reality is that the democrat / globalist / Washington establishment use this racist assertion as an excuse to get mass mail-in elections, which are easily defrauded as we saw last year. Which is why no other democracy in the world spams out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, and accepts them being harvested by political operatives, showing up at 4 am in the hundreds of thousands, 96% of them for the globalist Washington establishment candidate.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547679]Isn't it funny how blablabla lie lie lie .[/QUOTE]Translation: the low IQ ignoramus John Clayton shoved his foot so far down his throat that it came out of his ass, with his idiotic and false claim that the Millennium Report was "written by a guy in Leningrad" when in fact it is published by an American conservative group. This has destroyed any credibility that he had, and he can now be dismissed as a brainwashed shill of globalist leftist fake news.

Fixed it for ya.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547562]You didn't include a link, doofus. The link in the earlier post strengthened my case as it showed all other democracies have extremely strict rules on mail-in ballots: most don't permit them at all or only for citizens living outside the country; none simply spam them out by the million as happened in the US election last year. Why do you think that might be?

The "racism" comes from people who claim blacks are incapable of obtaining an ID or unwilling to show up to vote. I am not claiming that. You are, you racist.

The main lawsuits didn't get thrown out at all, ignoramus. For them to be thrown out they would have to have been accepted in the first place, but the court refused to look at them. Most notably the suit brought by no less than 20 states of the Union, on the unconstitutionality of altering the method of election (to mass mail-in voting) without the consent of the state legislatures, but rather by executive decree or judicial fiat..[/QUOTE]Here's you go, [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_day[/URL] But I know you'll poo-poh the source even though I already acknowledged that it may contain errors. But feel free to look up voting in each listed country and correct wiki. You won't, of course.

FYI, I claimed that you were out of touch re: what you said about minorities. Get a clue. Republican racist morons won't ever change.

Ahhh, parsing words again, I see. The courts refused to look at Donnie's lawsuits because the lawyers offered not one shred of evidence. You know, first hand, probable stuff, just like what you guys wanted during the 1st impeachment trial. Donnie's lawyers couldn't do that. But hey, you obviously have the proof. Speak to Donnie and get the ball rolling. I know he'll publicly thank you for it.

But you won't. See, that's the problem with you tRUMPettes. You are full of all kinds of useless conspiracy theories and convinced that the only "truth" lies in the lunatic ravings of your twice-impeached orange turd.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547694]Translation: the low IQ ignoramus John Clayton shoved his foot so far down his throat that it came out of his ass, with his idiotic and false claim that the Millennium Report was "written by a guy in Leningrad" when in fact it is published by an American conservative group. This has destroyed any credibility that he had, and he can now be dismissed as a brainwashed shill of globalist leftist fake news.

Fixed it for ya.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for your mother.

[QUOTE=Canada;2547583]They are angry at white kids because they do better on tests than black kids. [/QUOTE]Right on the money Canada! And to add to your point: I think the Democrats are probably also behind the recent uptick in anti-Asian violence. They hate Asians because the Asian kids wipe the floor with these little white twerps, especially in the math tests.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/12/01/sat-math-scores-mirror-and-maintain-racial-inequity/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547603]I am not a socialist.

Bernie Sanders, who is a social democrat, never says such horrible things.

Only you Canada, write such horrible, racists things.[/QUOTE]First thing a socialist says when confronted with their socialistic ideals is: I Am not a socialist. If your weren't a socialist you wouldn't be supporting Biden, AOC, Kerry and Bernie but your posts say otherwise. If you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. I am not racist. As I said the only racists I know are democrats. I think black people can get drivers liciences and I think black kids can be as smart as white kids. Obviously by your posts here you don't.

Goes to Hunter Biden:

Hunter Biden Says he Probably Smoked 'Parmesan Cheese' Digging For Crack In Carpets.

By Mark Moore April 4, 2021.

10:29 Am.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/04/04/hunter-biden-says-he-used-to-look-for-crack-in-carpets/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2547751]I feel sorry for your mother.[/QUOTE]I don't feel sorry for yours. She lived life as she wanted to. But if she'd paid more attention to you than her various boyfriends and dealers you might have turned out different. Too late now, sadly. Still waiting on that Leningrad Millennium Report clarification.

[QUOTE=Bblob69;2547785]Right on the money Canada! And to add to your point: I think the Democrats are probably also behind the recent uptick in anti-Asian violence. [/QUOTE]The violence is largely perpetrated by inner city blacks, 90% of whom support the democrats, so for once you are correct.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547321]A misleading statement. Some democracies permit mail-in voting *IN EXTREMELY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES*, for example for citizens living abroad, or for people who are so sick they cannot physically leave their homes.[/QUOTE]Or those registered voters who ask for it.

Mail-in ballots is a normal procedure that's done in nearly all democracies.

And to set it up quickly as a pandemic is hitting the world, with a minimum of hoops to jump through, seems normal and reasonable.

The State of Qregon has been doing the mass-mailing of ballots for over 20 years.

If there were ever cases of political operatives performing serial raiding of mailboxes it would be easily noticed in today's social media.

ChrisPee:

How hard do you think it would be to uncover 6 or 8 million fake ballots in the presidential election where less than 160 million total votes were cast. Remember, each vote it tied to a specific registered voter in the United States, which has less than 220 million of them.

If one person could randomly call 220 registered voters in a single day, wouldn't he or she be talking to 7 identifiable voter fraud victims?

The reason they were hard to find was because they didn't exist!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2547735]FYI, I claimed that you were out of touch re: what you said about minorities. Get a clue. Republican racist morons won't ever change.

Ahhh, parsing words again, I see. The courts refused to look at Donnie's lawsuits because the lawyers offered not one shred of evidence. [/QUOTE]One side claims that blacks are incapable of carrying out basic functions like obtaining an ID, and that they are too lazy to wait in line to vote. The other side says that blacks are just as capable as other groups and should be treated equally. Which side is racist?

You don't understand very much about how courts work, do you? The courts didn't look at the evidence at all. That is because they refused to take the case, on the spurious ground of "lack of standing". As if 20 states of the Union (half the country) didn't have "standing" in a dispute over the unconstitutionality of the presidential election. If they don't have standing, who does? The answer, of course, is nobody except the media and deep state. Classic banana republic politicised "justice". Will not end well.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547846]The violence is largely perpetrated by inner city blacks, 90% of whom support the democrats, so for once you are correct.[/QUOTE]Hey Chris!

Always a great honor to be speaking to the resident genius of this board.

Let's assume your assertion is true: that the violence is largely perpetrated by inner city blacks, most of whom support the Democrats, and therefore the Democrats are to blame for the anti-Asian violence.

Let's also assume that Miller Genuine Draft and such is largely consumed by uneducated white men, most of whom support the Republicans. Per your logic, the Republicans are then to blame for the shitty beer in this country.

I would have never thought of this myself Chris. So glad to have made your acquaintance.

Yours truly.

Bblob69.

20 red states (of 50) do not constitute "half the country" especially if one is counting the overall population. The numerous lawsuits were laughed out of the courts. One succeeded on a technical issue, not changing the outcome in that state.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2547861]20 red states (of 50) do not constitute "half the country" especially if one is counting the overall population. The numerous lawsuits were laughed out of the courts. One succeeded on a technical issue, not changing the outcome in that state.[/QUOTE]Another ignoramus who does not understand how courts work. The lawsuit could not be "laughed *out* of court" because it was never *in* court, The Court refused to look at it on the grounds of "standing". This was not some random guy trying to get his case before the Supreme Court; this was 20 states of the Union, who wanted the case to be judged. If the Supreme Court had taken it and made their written judgements, that would be something. But they did not.

The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. I will repeat for those who are slow on the uptake: The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures.

The Constitution was therefore violated in the five swing states with republican legislatures. These legislatures rejected the democrat attempts to change the election method to mass mail-in voting. So the democrats forced the change through via executive order or leftwing activist judge decree. Both of these methods are unconstitutional.

The election method was altered in an unconstitutional manner. The executive and judicial branch of government do not have the right to do what they did. Even if you believe there was no fraud (LOL) the unconstitutional changes rendered the election invalid.

Had this argument been made before the Supreme Court, as the 20 states wanted to do, the Court would have had no option but to agree that the election was unconstitutional and invalid. So it refused to hear the argument. Denial of justice is the opposite of justice. Biden is a fraudulent, invalid president. (Invalid in more ways than one).

"I look at it this way," Birx, a renowned HIV researcher and diplomat, told CNN, "The first time we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original (coronavirus) surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially. "

They are essentially a solution in search of a problem. Here's a good read.

[URL]https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet[/URL]

Voter ID advocates tend to hype fear that individuals will vote on behalf of dead persons or exploit duplicity on state rolls that sometimes result when a person moves. This is illogical though as the risks of large fines and prison time are hardly worth adding an extra vote for one's preferred candidate. The scale of this fraud has been greatly exaggerated by Republicans, as was recently demonstrated in the dozens of failed court cases in the attempt to overturn a presidential election. Some here may recall the recent social media and fake news media lies of 1000's upon 1000's of dead people voting in Michigan, all very easily debunked.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120[/URL]

Add these false claims alleging illegal votes from out of state and the BS gets deeper.

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/06/nevada-republican-party/fact-checking-republican-claim-illegal-votes-nevad/[/URL]

Also claims that non-citizens effected recent national elections have been shown as unfounded. Like in other cases the incentive is small as they face deportation and other severe penalties for voting illegally.

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-800000-votes-non-citizens/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-claim-voting-noncitizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/2019-08/Report_Truth-About-Voter-Fraud.pdf[/URL]

Bottom line is that angry white bigots and their Evangelical accomplices aren't the majority anymore. You'll control plenty of local and some state governments, but will lose national elections if there's high turnout. Thus you try to suppress the vote, race bait, and those at the very bottom of this food chain also scapegoat Jews. These should be watched, but essentially ignored until they break the law. But yea, in an age of fewer responsible editors, social media hacks, and "news as entertainment," misinformation will abound. And there's plenty of $ to be made appealing to the bigot market as there's still a lot around.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547851]One side claims that blacks are incapable of carrying out basic functions like obtaining an ID, and that they are too lazy to wait in line to vote. The other side says that blacks are just as capable as other groups and should be treated equally. Which side is.[/QUOTE]What's the big deal with an IDee? Isn't this something everyone has? Why are Democrats insisting there's no need to show identification to vote? I don't get it.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]Another ignoramus who does not understand how courts work. The lawsuit could not be "laughed *out* of court" because it was never *in* court, The Court refused to look at it on the grounds of "standing". This was not some random guy trying to get his case before the Supreme Court; this was 20 states of the Union, who wanted the case to be judged. If the Supreme Court had taken it and made their written judgements, that would be something. But they did not.

The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. I will repeat for those who are slow on the uptake: The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures.

The Constitution was therefore violated in the five swing states with republican legislatures. These legislatures rejected the democrat attempts to change the election method to mass mail-in voting. So the democrats forced the change through via executive order or leftwing activist judge decree. Both of these methods are unconstitutional.[/QUOTE]Judicial decrees are within the constitution.

Another ignoramus.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]The election method was altered in an unconstitutional manner.[/QUOTE]It was done via judicial decree, in a constitutional manner.

The election methods were altered, due to the pandemic, and prudently so.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]Biden is a fraudulent, invalid president.[/QUOTE]He's looking for you now.

The SCOTUS is the final arbiter of what is unconstitutional and laughed all the the way to the nearest K Street bar. The Deep State is in control. If the Republicans can take over the house and senate in 2022, maybe the all the pedophiles will end up at Gitmo. Until then the trolls here will be blowing a gasket. It's a one party system pretending to be a democracy, brought to You courtesy of billionaires pulling the strings.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]Another ignoramus who does not understand how courts work. The lawsuit could not be "laughed *out* of court" because it was never *in* court, The Court refused to look at it on the grounds of "standing". This was not some random guy trying to get his case before the Supreme Court; this was 20 states of the Union, who wanted the case to be judged. If the Supreme Court had taken it and made their written judgements, that would be something. But they did not.

The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. I will repeat for those who are slow on the uptake: The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures.

The Constitution was therefore violated in the five swing states with republican legislatures. These legislatures rejected the democrat attempts to change the election method to mass mail-in voting. So the democrats forced the change through via executive order or leftwing activist judge decree. Both of these methods are unconstitutional.

The election method was altered in an unconstitutional manner. The executive and judicial branch of government do not have the right to do what they did. Even if you believe there was no fraud (LOL) the unconstitutional changes rendered the election invalid..[/QUOTE]These 20 states had no standing as election procedures are controlled by the states and other states have no say in how a different state carries out its elections. So the proper venue for determining any dispute is via the courts in those states. All the state courts rejected the plaintiffs in these cases. The basis of the rejections were two fold, 1. Millions of voters would be disenfranchised by retroactively changing the rules and 2. Many of the rules were in place for well over a year being used in primaries and no one brought up a challenge. One of the reasons is that prior to Trumpturd whining these laws were liked by the Republicans. Trumpturd basically shot himself in the foot, but you can't help stupid.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]Another ignoramus who does not understand how courts work. The lawsuit could not be "laughed *out* of court" because it was never *in* court, The Court refused to look at it on the grounds of "standing". This was not some random guy trying to get his case before the Supreme Court; this was 20 states of the Union, who wanted the case to be judged. If the Supreme Court had taken it and made their written judgements, that would be something. But they did not. [/QUOTE]Yes, many of these complaints were presented to the courts and were quickly rejected. That's laughed out of the courts, even if you want to mince words. Also many were presented at the state level based on alleged irregularities, mistreatment of poll watchers, etc and were likewise rejected. They were rejected again and again, then in some cases wound up in federal appeals. In this case the PA federal judge looked at it long and hard and here's his 21 page rebuke. He's also a life long Republican. You make a lot of proud assertions but don't do your homework.

[URL]https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. I will repeat for those who are slow on the uptake: The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures..[/QUOTE]Non-sequtur as your conclusions are based on false assumptions.

The Repub legislature in PA expanded mail in voting in Oct 2019 in exchange for some goodies on their wish list. Then after they lose the presidential election want to back track and whine? Uh no, and those arguments were rejected at both state and federal levels.

[URL]https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/01/09/fact-checking-josh-hawleys-claim-about-pennsylvanias-election-law-politfact/[/URL]

In any case disgruntled Repubs had their chance to make their case on these points, and with endless resources have only failed. The Trump stacked conservative Supreme Court refused to offer any relief on Constitutional grounds. State courts in red and blue states repeatedly upheld actions to better facilitate voter access during the pandemic. States certified the popular votes in spite of all the legal Hail Marys. You want to throw out all mail ballots of people who voted in good faith according to established procedures, and without ever proving any substantial fraud for which to offer relief. And this only in the midwestern states, AZ, and GA that fell out of Trump's column from 2016. Thankfully such a douche move repeatedly failed the legal tests. And these weren't "swing states" BTW. In the Midwest the Dems just came back for what was there's after Trump's abysmal handing of the pandemic. The same also fueled upsets in GA and AZ.

So who are the fools here? The Trump stacked Supreme Court? All these state and federal judges, and even ones in red states like AZ, MT, TX and GA that sent Trump packing? Or is the fool an Anti-Semitic disgruntled wingnut posturing in monger forum? I say the latter. But ultimately what matters is what the courts believe, not you. We voted your guy out. Chalk one up for democracy. Chalk up a zero for an authoritarian and his cult followers who tried to steal an election. Done deal. America wins.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944230517/supreme-court-rejects-gop-bid-to-reverse-pennsylvania-election-results[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547864]The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. I will repeat for those who are slow on the uptake: The Constitution is clear that the method of election must be decided by the state legislatures. The Constitution was therefore violated in the five swing states with republican legislatures..[/QUOTE]The SCOTUS thus far hasn't interpreted the term "legislature" in Article 1 Section 4 of the Constitution so narrowly as to mean simply the state's representative assembly, but broadly as all legislative authority conferred by a state's Constitution. This is partly based on dictionary definitions of the word "legislature" from the time of the framers. It thus should come as no surprise that the SCOTUS refused to intervene on that ground, or any other ground and throw out all mail in ballots in key states. The same can be said for state courts across the political spectrum. In a word, you can feign superiority and "repeat" claims until the cows come home, but your arguments have failed over and over and over, and in much higher realms than a monger forum. And it's not just leftists that are picking on you. Damn. Oh well.

[URL]https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-1-1-1-1/ALDE_00001036/[/URL]

[URL]https://casetext.com/case/arizona-state-legislature-v-arizona-independent-redistricting-commn[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547691]Aaaand most of the people in the photo are white. Stuck your foot up your arse there, didn't you? It turns out that there's no white privilege card that lets white people skip the line! Incredible news to a brainwashed leftist bullshit-spewing muppet, but reality all the same.[/QUOTE]What does the color of their skin have to do with anything?

First you squeaked:

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547555][b]Nobody in a single election in America[/b] has ever lined up for more than 10 hours to vote, you buffoon. Stop spewing bullshit.[/QUOTE]To that I clearly demonstrated that you're full of it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547679]Oh?

12-hour voting lines give me hope, even as America looks like a banana republic: [URL]https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/attytood/early-voting-long-lines-georgia-texas-turnout-voter-suppression-20201015.html[/URL].

More than 10-hour wait and long lines as early voting starts in Georgia: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/13/more-than-10-hour-wait-and-long-lines-as-early-voting-starts-in-georgia[/URL].

Stop spewing bullshit.[/QUOTE]Another lie gets debunked, and then "white privilege" comes into play.

Not easy to be you, huh?

[QUOTE=Canada;2547788]First thing a socialist says when confronted with their socialistic ideals is: I Am not a socialist.[/QUOTE]Just curious.

I'm not a socialist. But I'm not an ultra either.

Or is there no space between your cohorts and socialists?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547866]"I look at it this way," Birx, a renowned HIV researcher and diplomat, told CNN, "The first time we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original (coronavirus) surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially. "[/QUOTE]Right, because nobody died in the rest of the world. And none of the diabetic 90 year olds with heart disease would have died anyway. We were all immortal before coronavirus came along, doncha know?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2547875]The SCOTUS is the final arbiter of what is unconstitutional...[/QUOTE]And it refused to rule on whether the election was constitutional, by refusing to hear the case despite TWENTY STATES demanding it.

If the Supreme Court ignores a petition by some random weirdo like you, nobody cares. If it ignores a petition by twenty states of the Union, we have a serious problem.

The election was both fraudulent and unconstitutional, and Biden is an invalid "president" (in more ways than one).

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547951]What does the color of their skin have to do with anything?
[/QUOTE]What it has to do with everything, o ye of little brain, is that you were whining about how all these poor blacks were forced to stand in long lines for hours, and then the photo showed more whites than blacks standing in the line. LOL.

Why, it's almost as if whites and blacks are equal. They both need to get IDs and wait in line to vote! I understand that's a tough concept for leftists like you to grasp, given your inbuilt racist prejudices that blacks are incapable of performing basic functions and need you to treat them like helpless children (as a screen behind which to perpetrate fraud), but like so much that you don't understand, it is in fact true.

As for over ten hour waits, no evidence for it other than "some guy said". So, like most democrat globalist dogma then.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2547874]Judicial decrees are within the constitution.

Another ignoramus.

It was done via judicial decree, in a constitutional manner.

The election methods were altered, due to the pandemic, and prudently so.[/QUOTE]No, judicial decrees are not a constitutional manner of altering electoral methods, The Constitution states specifically that the method of election must be set by the state legislatures. It actually goes into specific detail on this particular matter, because elections are so important.

This is not a judicial decree to remove a signpost somewhere; it is a matter of the integrity of the electoral system itself. It is not up to you, or some leftwing activist judge, to decide what is "prudent". It is up to the elected state legislatures. They decided it was not "prudent" to spam out tens of millions of mail-in ballots to whoever, wherever, and accept them back in whatever way, be it harvested by political operatives or hundreds of thousands showing up at 4 am in democrat cities of swing states, 96% for Biden.

That decision was for the state legislatures to make, as per the Constitution. They made the decision, and rejected the changes. The changes were therefore unconstitutional when forced through by executive order or judicial decree. The election was both fraudulent and unconstitutional, and Biden is an invalid "president" (in more ways than one).

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2547871]What's the big deal with an IDee? Isn't this something everyone has? Why are Democrats insisting there's no need to show identification to vote? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]Because requiring ID and in person voting makes it much harder to commit election fraud. How else were they going to get that shuffling demented corpse and cackling, white-hating, fucked-her-way-up witch over the line?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2548000]No, judicial decrees are not a constitutional manner[/QUOTE]The constitution provides for which authority reigns in precise matters between legislative, judicial, and executive branches.

These judicial decrees carried sufficient constitutional authority, that's why you were left to only cry about it.

The legislature has the power to overwrite any law or pronouncement that emerges as a result of any court ruling, even the Supreme Court.

It just might take decades to do it.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547996]Right, because nobody died in the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]You bring up something to consider.

TrumpShit is responsible for not just the half million excessive deaths his mismanagement caused in the United States.

But by not taking reasonable, responsible actions in the United States, he helped spread the plague that will likely kill tens of millions.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2547851]One side claims that blacks are incapable of carrying out basic functions like obtaining an ID, and that they are too lazy to wait in line to vote. The other side says that blacks are just as capable as other groups and should be treated equally. Which side is racist?

You don't understand very much about how courts work, do you? The courts didn't look at the evidence at all. That is because they refused to take the case, on the spurious ground of "lack of standing". As if 20 states of the Union (half the country) didn't have "standing" in a dispute over the unconstitutionality of the presidential election. If they don't have standing, who does? The answer, of course, is nobody except the media and deep state. Classic banana republic politicised "justice". Will not end well.[/QUOTE]You don't have a clue as to what it takes for some people to obtain an ID. Here's just a snapshot [URL]https://rewirenewsgroup.com/ablc/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-hard-people-get-photo-id-just-vote/.[/URL] But I don't expect you to understand nor do I expect you to open up your solidly-shut mind.

It seems as though the moderator removed the Mar-a-Lago phone number that I included for you. Have you called Donnie yet? Maybe he'll pay your expenses to present your overwhelming evidence.

As to what Donnie's lawyers can, and can't, do in court, maybe you ought to read this. You won't, of course. [URL]https://theconversation.com/why-trumps-election-fraud-claims-arent-showing-up-in-his-lawsuits-challenging-the-results-150505[/URL].

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2547871]What's the big deal with an IDee? Isn't this something everyone has? Why are Democrats insisting there's no need to show identification to vote? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]See, the "problem" is that you "assume" that (a) everybody has an ID or (b) IDs are easy to obtain.

You are wrong. You could do an internet search and read a bunch of articles. But you won't. Here's one that doesn't contain many big words. [URL]https://rewirenewsgroup.com/ablc/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-hard-people-get-photo-id-just-vote/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2547954]Just curious.

I'm not a socialist. But I'm not an ultra either.


Or is there no space between your cohorts and socialists?[/QUOTE]Of course there is space between. There are independents that are in the middle. You claim to not be a socialist but you like several others on this board think Biden, AOC and Bernie are great because they oppose everything Trump and America stands for.

In March border patrol processed 170,000 entering USA illegally. In March of 2020 is was about 20,000. An independent or Republican think it is Biden policy. Liberals all say this isn't a surge and the reason is that it went from 20,000 to 170,000 because of Trump policies. Of these 170,000 over 10% tested positive for Covid. These people are being let into USA without processing. You and all the socialists on this forum think this is great and that these people make citizens of USA life better. One idiot on this forum said they are all coming to pick vegetables because Citizens of USA won't do those jobs. Socialists believe that none of these people are criminals. Taxpayers are paying to feed these people and several are staying in hotels that we the taxpayer is paying for. I believe we need a secure border. I think this is a disaster for the USA and the taxpayer.

Trump had a good policy for a secure border similar to every other country in the world. I think it worked for the American people. You don't think the same. That makes you a socialist. Everything Trump did was not a success but this definitely was one. Biden is trying to reverse all the good things Trump did. Paris Accord reversed. Next it will be Iran deal.

And by the way I have a friend in El Centro, CA and I asked him if they had trouble getting workers to pick vegetables in California. He said 50% were local citizens and about 50% were documented workers from Mexico that came for planting and harvest. None of the illegals that have crossed the border were hired to pick vegetables. They never have a problem finding workers.

I believe the president should protect American jobs.

I think the president should keep America safe.

I know my report above is very extreme for a socialist to agree with so I expect you and several others will nit pick this and claim it totally false. That is why you are a socialist.

Meanwhile smart normal American men are fleeing to Brazil to seek sex asylum from American liberals who want to lock us up for carrying guns.

[QUOTE=Canada;2548071]Of course there is space between. There are independents that are in the middle. You claim to not be a socialist but you like several others on this board think Biden, AOC and Bernie are great because they oppose everything Trump and America stands for.

In March border patrol processed 170,000 entering USA illegally. In March of 2020 is was about 20,000. An independent or Republican think it is Biden policy. Liberals all say this isn't a surge and the reason is that it went from 20,000 to 170,000 because of Trump policies. Of these 170,000 over 10% tested positive for Covid. These people are being let into USA without processing. You and all the socialists on this forum think this is great and that these people make citizens of USA life better. One idiot on this forum said they are all coming to pick vegetables because Citizens of USA won't do those jobs. Socialists believe that none of these people are criminals. Taxpayers are paying to feed these people and several are staying in hotels that we the taxpayer is paying for. I believe we need a secure border. I think this is a disaster for the USA and the taxpayer.

Trump had a good policy for a secure border similar to every other country in the world. I think it worked for the American people. You don't think the same. That makes you a socialist. Everything Trump did was not a success but this definitely was one. Biden is trying to reverse all the good things Trump did. Paris Accord reversed. Next it will be Iran deal..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2548075]Meanwhile smart normal American men are fleeing to Brazil to seek sex asylum from American liberals who want to lock us up for carrying guns.[/QUOTE]Apply for a concealed carry permit. Should go well in most states if you aren't a criminal or a weirdo. There's also plenty of P4P here though it's illegal in all but a few places. And though divided on the issue, there's a good portion of feminists that support the rights of sex workers. Your bigger threat there is the Evangelicals the right is in bed with.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2547875]The SCOTUS is the final arbiter of what is unconstitutional and laughed all the the way to the nearest K Street bar..[/QUOTE]It's the ever so common Karpman Drama Triangle, Trump ever playing the victim, but this time no rescuers were in sight. Which is all good as this provides even more opportunities for him to play the victim, in response to the perceived betrayal of the SCOTUS and anyone else he believes is picking on him. This while he stews and plots revenge. It's a way of life, for him, as well as many of his followers.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2548013]The constitution provides for which authority reigns in precise matters between legislative, judicial, and executive branches.

These judicial decrees carried sufficient constitutional authority, that's why you were left to only cry about it.

The legislature has the power to overwrite any law or pronouncement that emerges as a result of any court ruling, even the Supreme Court.

It just might take decades to do it.[/QUOTE]You have no idea what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2548154]Your previous post was idiotic but this has plumbed hitherto unforeseen depths. You are too moronic to bother with; it would be like trying to teach calculus to a goldfish.[/QUOTE]I think this would fairly be considered an ad hominem argument -- not generally considered persuasive.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2548015]You bring up something to consider.

TrumpShit is responsible for not just the half million excessive deaths his mismanagement caused in the United States.

But by not taking reasonable, responsible actions in the United States, he helped spread the plague that will likely kill tens of millions.

Thanks for pointing that out.[/QUOTE]USA deaths were on par with every country in the world. Thank god we had Trump to shut down Chinese from entering USA with even more cases. Biden called this racist. If Biden had been president with Covid he would have done the same thing he did with swine flu. Nothing and deaths would have been at least twice as bad. Trump pushed to get 3 vaccines in less than a year cancelling regulations that would have taken years of testing to develop. With Biden we would still be testing the vaccines on animals. Now Biden is letting thousands of Illegals with Covid into the country. Biden is trying to keep the Covid prospering. How many new cases will be result of immigration. Are the liberals counting all the new deaths as Biden deaths? Like it or not even the experts are acknowledging Trump great job on the vaccines. Even CNN.

Also just found out my residence is racist. A new study shows that trees are racist and unfortunately I have several trees on my property. Does anybody here really think the Republicans are pushing these racist claims?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2548061]You don't have a clue as to what it takes for some people to obtain an ID. Here's just a snapshot (link to socialist fake news site).[/QUOTE]*sound of violins*.

If you care about voting, you can get a photo ID. Even if it does involve *gasp* going to the DMV. Georgia even offers them for free. If you don't care, you won't bother to get one. A lot of people don't. Let them be. Election integrity is far more important.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2548157]I think this would fairly be considered an ad hominem argument -- not generally considered persuasive.[/QUOTE]That sounds like something a guy in Leningrad would say. Maybe the same guy who writes the Millennium Report? No, wait, isn't that an American-published site? Could you clarify?

[QUOTE=Canada;2548159]USA deaths were on par with every country in the world. Thank god we had Trump to shut down Chinese from entering USA with even more cases. Biden called this racist. If Biden had been president with Covid he would have done the same thing he did with swine flu. Nothing and deaths would have been at least twice as bad. Trump pushed to get 3 vaccines in less than a year cancelling regulations that would have taken years of testing to develop. With Biden we would still be testing the vaccines on animals. Now Biden is letting thousands of Illegals with Covid into the country. Biden is trying to keep the Covid prospering. How many new cases will be result of immigration. Are the liberals counting all the new deaths as Biden deaths? Like it or not even the experts are acknowledging Trump great job on the vaccines. Even CNN.

Also just found out my residence is racist. A new study shows that trees are racist and unfortunately I have several trees on my property. Does anybody here really think the Republicans are pushing these racist claims?[/QUOTE]Excellent points. The fake news and brainwashed leftards seem to have forgotten the fact that when Trump blocked Chinese from entering back in early 2020, he was denounced as "raaaaaaaacist!" by the usual suspects including Biden (or at least whoever writes Biden's teleprompter). Can you imagine how much worse covid would have been with unlimited entry from China? Thank God for President Trump's strength yet again in standing up for the American people against the fake news and globalists.

And of course the vast number of covid cases among the illegals wearing Biden t-shirts at the southern border, who are simply being released into the country. Again, nothing from the fake news media. No wonder they want to shut down Fox and alternative media who deliver real news.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2548154]Your previous post was idiotic but this has plumbed hitherto unforeseen depths. You are too moronic to bother with; it would be like trying to teach calculus to a goldfish.[/QUOTE]That must make you the goldfish.

The lies you continue to spew ad nauseam, is nothing more than fool's gold.

[QUOTE=Canada;2548159]USA deaths were on par with every country in the world. Thank god we had Trump to shut down Chinese from entering USA with even more cases. Biden called this racist. If Biden had been president with Covid he would have done the same thing he did with swine flu. [/QUOTE]You are a genius to compare Biden and Obama's successes with dealing with potential pandemics to the GOP letting one get away.

Democrat leadership = Contained potential pandemic.

Republican leadership = Ignoring medical advice throughout a pandemic and greatly expanding their pandemic.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2548063]See, the "problem" is that you "assume" that (a) everybody has an ID or (b) IDs are easy to obtain.. [URL]https://rewirenewsgroup.com/ablc/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-hard-people-get-photo-id-just-vote/[/URL].[/QUOTE]A story from 2014. Is that too current?

Evidently you exist in a milieu where people are incapable of procuring an identification. But, ok, an alternate reality, which we'll accept that at face value. And more than that, these people have been living their entire lives off the identification grid, yet they are so civically engaged and following politics so closely that they wouldn't conceive of missing the opportunity to do their duty as citizens and casting an election ballot! There you go.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2548164]...The fake news and brainwashed leftards ...[/QUOTE]They say "don't feed the trolls" since it's not about reason or trying to convince through discourse. However, one could argue that it's better to engage them in this innocent forum than to frustrate them, and perhaps force them towards a more pernicious form of auto stimulation -- torturing neighborhood pets, or public masturbation.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2548190]They say "don't feed the trolls" since it's not about reason or trying to convince through discourse. However, one could argue that it's better to engage them in this innocent forum than to frustrate them, and perhaps force them towards a more pernicious form of auto stimulation -- torturing neighborhood pets, or public masturbation.[/QUOTE]Sorry CNN has put a trademark on public masturbation. It is reserved only for their anchors. This is a liberal thing. Sorry.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2548169]You are a genius to compare Biden and Obama's successes with dealing with potential pandemics to the GOP letting one get away.

Democrat leadership = Contained potential pandemic.

Republican leadership = Ignoring medical advice throughout a pandemic and greatly expanding their pandemic.[/QUOTE]Obama and Biden did absolutely nothing with the swine flu where other countries were taking temperatures before you got off the plane. They got lucky. The swine flu wasn't deadly but if they had done the same thing with Covid they would have killed 5,000,000 people. That is a fact.

Biden has his chance now to fight the pandemic. Most countries have their borders locked down to fight the Covid but Biden is flooding our border with Covid cases. Thousand per month of Illegals with Covid being released by Biden into USA. He is going to put them on planes to Montana and North Dakota to try to get their Covid numbers up. I am sure you agree that bringing more people with Covid into the country is a great solution. Are you really this dumb?

[QUOTE=Canada;2548071]Of course there is space between. There are independents that are in the middle. You claim to not be a socialist but you like several others on this board think Biden, AOC and Bernie are great because they oppose everything [b]Trump and America[/b] stands for.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's cute.

Lumping together a person and the country. Buddy, that's socialism. Or national socialism if you prefer.

Der Fuhrer did that in the Third Reich. Just like Stalin did in the USSR. Or Mao in China.

Any which way you look at it, there is nothing more socialist than a cult of personality.

[QUOTE=Canada;2548071]I know my report above[/QUOTE]What you penned above can be called quite a few different names that I won't reproduce here.

"Report" is not one of them.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2548257]Oh, that's cute.

Lumping together a person and the country. Buddy, that's socialism. Or national socialism if you prefer.

Der Fuhrer did that in the Third Reich. Just like Stalin did in the USSR. Or Mao in China.

Any which way you look at it, there is nothing more socialist than a cult of personality.

What you penned above can be called quite a few different names that I won't reproduce here.

"Report" is not one of them.[/QUOTE]Finally he admits he is a socialist. No one will mistake me for for socialist Trump and America. Just like Reagan and America. Just like John Wayne and America. Just like Biden and China. Just like Obama and Muslim countries. That is just saying it like it is.