FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

But she still offers very good service, and is still very popular.

I had 3 very satisfying visits to Arabella on my 6 day trip to Bochum 2 weeks ago. I am a bit of a regular there now and am known to the girls, which is an advantage when it comes to good service. Visually not the hottest girls but hot enough for me but definitely the best service in any club I've ever been in recent years. Plus some of the girls seem to actually enjoy it, especially when I use my tongue.

15 euro happy hour combined with 30 euro good sessions made it economical too.

The overall atmosphere there was good with most girls in good form in general most of the time, alot of laughing and joking around in the lounge.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;2425875]I read on a German website that the currently most transgressive club, in which Catholicism is still the rule, with rare exceptions, Janina would have converted to fuck with condom. Anyone who can confirm or deny?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2426770]Just fact for a less than 40 yo but using pills guy who needed many emergency cars to take him from a LR downstairs room, I think 11 , with downstairs closed for hours, to hospital. But for sure, no risk, same like HIV in AO clubs. Without pills, girls usually ask me my age after sex on our discovery. Sports are more efficient to perform for sex, when guys using pills are funny, being still up under shower after their room.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps your marginal English has something to do with it, but what you wrote both here and especially in the previous post makes it sound like you think taking Viagra or Cialis is somehow related to having a heart attack.

It is not. Period.

Over the years you've posted similarly incorrect information. Please stop doing that.

Also this. Sirioja loves to virtue signal regarding HIV and constantly remind people about how "dangerous" AO is.

I believe mine has been is the best estimate that's been posted in response. So I'll repeat it.

(Yes, I'm only addressing HIV here. It is by far the most common *fatal* STD that can't be cured, but only controlled. But the principles below can be used with other diseases too if you look up the base statistics. It's also worth noting that HIV is no longer the death sentence it once was. People are now commonly living into their 70's or more while HIV infected.).

In that regard what seems to be often forgotten is that you have to multiply the probability of transmission with the probability of encountering an infected partner. That calculation significantly lowers the overall probability.

HIV rate among female German sex workers = 0.2% or 0.002 (20 in 10,000).

See page 14: [URL]https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/media/en/publications/Publications/dublin-declaration-sex-workers.pdf[/URL].

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0.04% or 0.0004 (4 in 10,000).

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in Germany.

= 0.002 * 0.0004 = 0.0000008 = 0.00008% ( 0.8 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in Germany.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in Germany your probability of HIV infection would be 0.00584 or. 0.584%.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2428509]Perhaps your marginal English has something to do with it, but what you wrote both here and especially in the previous post makes it sound like you think taking Viagra or Cialis is somehow related to having a heart attack.

It is not. Period.

Over the years you've posted similarly incorrect information intentionally. . Please stop doing that.[/QUOTE]Siri never posts incorrect information intentionally, and I doubt he will stop. I wish he will learn to be brief and to the point.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2429242]Siri never posts incorrect information intentionally, and I doubt he will stop. I wish he will learn to be brief and to the point.[/QUOTE]I think France, my country, is on top for medical, with many foreigners coming to be cured in France, but when I make on at least 3 times per year effort electro cardiac because of intense violent efforts I make for my sports, having often pain around heart, because sometimes I burn all magnesium in my blood, so I quite often meet and talk with doctors and I'm fully sure no graduated French doctor would tell me fucking AO girls who are fucked by everybody is not risky, HIV is not dangerous. When they tell me I m crazy to make such intense effort and they can't even imagine violence for body when I have not more than 1000 kms on bicycle per year and only climbing the most difficult, but when I explain them how I work to increase oxygen in my blood, to improve my performances and I only climb for this, only motivation and real obsession, no doctor never advised me Viagra to be stronger, and I don't need to fuck prostitutes or women, as long I desire them, most often being told: you are big, you are really hard, or you have stronger stamina than 20's yo guys, so really don't need Viagra, when fit and sporty. Easy to see who are Viagra guys when they are under shower after room, still up, when they most often can't finish.

Siri. Really interesting about the pericardium pain due to magnesium loss through exercise. That explains a lot for me.

As for risk calculation. For me AO (in the hypothetical case that I were to do it) has almost no risk of death once infected, whereas Covid19 statistically for me has 5 to 8% risk of death once contracted. So, logically maybe I should do AO. However for other reasons I am reluctant

[QUOTE=Optimist;2430088]Siri. Really interesting about the pericardium pain due to magnesium loss through exercise. That explains a lot for me.

As for risk calculation. For me AO (in the hypothetical case that I were to do it) has almost no risk of death once infected, whereas Covid19 statistically for me has 5 to 8% risk of death once contracted. So, logically maybe I should do AO. However for other reasons I am reluctant[/QUOTE]When you climb about 15 days on 3 weeks holidays, even eating pastas with salt for breakfast, for lunch and diner, drinking gaz with salt water, but when even professionals running 35 000 kms per year don't do this, sometimes body is not anymore able to recover fast enough, usually when high heat, sometimes climbing under 35 degrees so losing a lot of body water, then missing magnesium, falling in anemia, with pain in muscles becoming less flexible, so, becoming painful around heart but not a heart problem. Biggest problem for heart is when losing a lot of body water, then can become dangerous. Girls are ready for anything for money, I'm ready for anything for my passions for climbing and free ride. On last September, climbing Mont Ventoux from Malaucene, I forgot water on car roof and saw only after 5 kms climbing. What to do? To go down to take water? But not good for good time if I had to climb again, so I decided to try. 21 kms climbing, one of the most famous in France, I ate as well I could but after more than 1 h30 of intense effort, much more intense than fucking a girl, at only 1,5 kms from the top, I lost all my body water, no more gas in blood, bye bye record, even I climbed good until then, so I just tried to finish as I could, with flog in eyes, a real zombie when I arrived, walking like a drunk guy. Usually, when wind or rain which are not good to break record, I give up, but so close, I couldn't. For me, I prefer to catch Chinese virus than HIV which can't be cured, just surviving with pills which kill your organs, when I don't worry so much, from my health, about this virus, but of course I won't run after it, but I won't change my life about this, and more Italians in Swiss clubs than in Germany, but less Asians.

I am back from an unnecessary trip unnecessarily long in what is nowadays, but IMHO starting from 7/2017 with the new law, ex sex paradise Germany. I visited a couple of private buildings, RLDs, RTCs and normal club as well, and I have nothing to praise.

Since I am in this thread, I will write about the mostly nearly empty clubs I saw.
I have been more than once the only customer for whiles, inspite of happy hours, or we were 2-3 men, nevertheless with girls missing in space in the total disinterest of the various thekefraus, all busy with their phones and waking up when maybe you were holding, to fight loneliness, for a second your own mobile, which is strictly forbidden.
Thekes not interested in customers saying it was cold or warm inside the club, that the music was too loud, that you wanted to order something to eat or you wanted to get out and come back in 10 minutes from the nearby mcdonalds ("du musst wieder eintritt bezahlen!" You must pay again the entrance), etc. , but active in kicking customers out even at 9,20 pm!

I arrived in the third decade of February, the reason for clubs being practically empty was that "we are in the end of the month and people don't have money anymore"! Of course, poor germans, with their third world salaries, poor tourists and poor business men can't afford to pay 10 euros entrance plus 30 for a session all inclusive of extras, even if now you get really little, especially if compared to the past.

In March instead the clubs were practically empty because of the "corona virus blast"... Of course, people challenging daily (or weekly or anyway often) aids, hepatitis, plus other minor infections more or less antibiotic resistant, will be scared by a stronger kind of flu which at least sorts you out quickly or you heal in the very most of cases.

Appalling to see the freude39 car park practically empty whenever passing by inspite of HH, embarrassing to see arabella car park empty with its 5-6 cars capacity in HH, I was close to go away thinking it was closed for who knows which reasons.

In F39 there are some scraps of other clubs who think and feel (correctly, given the "opponents") that they are beauty queens, but they are just less unfuckable and with overrestricted service, ridiculously claiming to be spanish and italian instead of romanians, trying to squeeze more off your pocket because of the different breed, LOL! Anyway, if you are not familiar enough (I am) with those 2 languages and express doubts about their origin, a hearty "dute dracu" (among the best wishes to you and your relatives, something like "dute in pizda mati cu morti tai", "cancerul sa te / va mananca" for instance), following your refusal to go to the room will sweep away your doubts.

In the smaller rtcs the girls are the same ones since ages. They get older, uglier, fatter, lazier, more unpolite, impatient, squeamish, delicate, worse and worse in everything. If and when by miracle you see a new face, you have one or more of these cases:

She doesn't perform what she is supposed to, or she does in lighter versions;

She is unfuckable;

She has no will to do anything and prefers to hide, discourage customers or anyway to do as less as possible in the room;

She will ask you in astonishment questions like:"but you really want to fuck me for more than 10 minutes? For as little as 30 euros? You are crazy or what?";

Irritating similar bullshit.


About the service:

Getting decently kissed is terribly difficult, mostly it will be a sort of snake tongue which doesn't even touch your lips, and instead of arousing your dick, it will cause the inexorable death or its resizing to a clit;

your fingers are practically prohibited in and around cavities;

Milking (the few who have boobs, because the vast majority has just empty or saggy excrescences on the chest) and squeezing is annoying when not painful;

If you want to use your tongue on them, it will be untolerably ticklish;

Anal is practically unmentionable, anyway it would cost extra: 20 in NRW and 30 in Dietzenbach, and covered also;

Your dick, against your expectations, is likely to be too big, and inspite of having not infrequent "inexplicable" erectile problems, your dick is even too hard for fucking, even in positions purposefully taken to hinder your insertion;

You are likely to be an unrespectful asshole who fucks too much, whether your dick is hard or soft or half half.

I don't carry on with this list to avoid discouraging virgin men or priests who want to come out of the tunnel to visit these edens on earth.

About the prices, until a couple of years ago you had 30 minutes for 30 euros, then the minutes became 25, now 20, maybe by Christmas 15 and then on until the absolute zero, which in terms of performance is not that far. Not too long ago, girls wouldn't mind allowing a little overtime, especially if you were close to unload, now they are afraid of missing the synchronized hooking with the space shuttle.

You spend a good 16-20% of your anyway-less-than-20-minutes-room discussing about time elapsed, time remaining and time zone, plus what is and what was the time when you started on your watch, on hers and on the clock hanging on the wall.

Furthermore, if 7 years ago you were paying a girl 30 euros for (at least!) 30 minutes, which is 1 euro / minute, why 7 years later you should pay her 1,5 times that much? If there were to be changes, I would reckon more correct the contrary, you must spend less!

A statistic embarrasses me: inspite of a long stay with some 10 clubs visited on top of a couple of RLDs and private entire buildings, the "topscorer" has 4 rooms. An average girl to my humble liking, not one I would have "fallen in love" with, would have got 4 rooms in one afternoon.

Of course, it is still possible to have decent / good rooms, but in the overall there is a huge gap with the past in the quality of the rooms and in the service / price ratio, and going always with the same girls is like going with your wife: you both lose enthusiasm, plus you lose erection. IMHO, there is no need to make efforts to go to Germany, once in a while hoping to find some new decent girls is more than enough.

More to come

Hilarious post! Thanks for the update. Sad to see what has happened to these clubs.

Eastgoing. Nice to hear from you after long absence. If even the Casanova of the red carpets cannot find magic I know those of us who wander the clubs with pedestrian charm will be lost in a monochrome misery.

But at least I am having fun in non rtc clubs (provided my airline can tell me if the flights are flying or not).

Visited last week, line up is a repetition of past posts and an anticipation of future ones for the forthcoming decades: Angie, Sissi, Katy, Micky, etc. plus a couple of (for me) new little cows.

One had such a harsh expression on the face, such an attitude, such a rejection in whatever she spoke about (even with the other girls) that I decided nearly immediately to not even try to zimmer her, anyway she soon entered a sex related discussion and confirmed that she couldn't tolerate a few things, I don't even remember exactly which ones, but I recall thinking they were the base of the job. I am not even sure of the name, it should be Cosmina, anyway blonde on the chubby side, absence of smile-related wrinkles.

So, if I wanted to honor the entrance fee, I was forced to try only the other one, Ella, blackish skin, a sort of indian face with a sweet smile which deceived me.

I had heard Katy (with new boobs, should she count as a new girl?) expressing to Kristina her doubts about the "endurance" of the calf vs the excessive duration of the expected action of a room with me (mind you, all my NRW sessions, apart from 2 of 30, were 20 minutes).

Bearing in mind that in every room at least a couple of minutes are void because of putting down towels, closing well doors and checking windows and radiators, taking shoes off and other excuses to waste time, then laying down trying to talk more (but why rushing to room and not staying longer on couches if girls want to chat?), then some sort of fake caresses which would make your dog walk away, then a sort of frantic blowjob, how much time you are left to destroy those dry crystal pussies with your hot iron bar?

However, after about 9 minutes in the room, we started a discussion about me fucking too much, and anyway the time would have been over in a couple of minutes, and anyway I was clearly taking too long to finish and probably was not going to unload, otherwise I should have already done it, so I was just cruelly torturing her for nothing, abusing her time, body and patience, etc.

My one-eyed head had already suffered enough for the sight of her size and abandoned us to our discussions of maths, biology, chemistry, etc. until time was really nearly over.

Admirably, holding the well deserved 30 euros in her hand as if they were toilet paper, downstairs she complained about how bad the room was.

Perhaps we customers should require to synchronize all watches with GMT and go to the room with witnesses and notaries.

P.S. Jimmy and Optimist, thanks for your appreciation.

This club was supposed to be useful because of its all day 15 euros entrance, so whenever you were desperate somewhere else or you were out of happy hours in other clubs, you could come here.

It had a daily average of 6-7 women, all romanians, seen some 10 in total, about half already known, basically from verena.

On my first visit I had entered having suicide purposes after one hour in Freude on the afternoon I had landed. Those 30 euros were cursing me from hell nomore than I was cursing myself for going back to Germany "against my will". So, I entered and greeted my 15 euros wondering if they would have had the same destiny of their unlucky brothers. Obviously, no girls in sight inspite of 2 cars only in the parking, anyway I didn't look at anything, I didn't say anything and went to the dressing room. When I came out the first girl I saw was Jonela, new to me, a fuckable body for RTCs standards, not short and on the slim side, I just told her "zimmer" and upstairs we went for the first room of my trip.

WTF, when we exchanged a couple of words in our poor german, I lost the count of the missing teeth. The door was locked so I couldn't run out, the window was blocked so I couldn't put into practice the purposes I had entered with, my dick was regretting not being chewed or at least bitten and was saggier than most of the unwatchable boobs I have seen in my RTC career. I felt hopeless.

In her honor, in a few minutes of relentless work, she managed to give him enough strength to manage to get inside her pussy (from behind!) and make the miracle.

I have met, also in this trip, quite a few girls who stop blowing after about one minute without results declaring the clinical decease of the patient. Then discussions start and furtherly spoil the mood. So I must praise Jonela for her genuine efforts, appreciate her hard work and patience, eventually I found out she's also an ok person not being upset with me because I didn't make anymore rooms with her (many bitches do tamper, insult, etc. if you don't go or don't repeat).

Another decent girl was Monika, young, not slim, but in the overall fuckable, nice smile with beautiful teeth and gums, for about one minute I even managed to "rape" a proper kiss, she said she doesn't do that and that I had to be happy with that.
To give you a clue of how happy I was in this trip (but of course everything is subjective), that minute of kissing is second only to the kisses I exchanged with a quite chubby girl I had to take twice in Dulmen because of lack of alternatives and of the bloody 4 prepaid rooms bought when entering.
Monika carried out the task well, I met her again on duty only on my second visit, but she was upset for her own reasons and didn't notice I tried twice to be acknowledged, so I changed target. On the following visit she was in civilian uniform, brightly smiled at me, but I didn't dare to suggest anything.

Room topscorer Lily, small slim pretty gypsy, she declares 23 years and 3 children, I would have said hardly 18 and 1 child. Small saggy breasts, stretchmarks even in the lower back, childish, sweet, cheerful, playful, funny, pretty face with witty pretty eyes and a bright smile that you can't help noticing in these cemeteries which ALL FKKs have become.

She keeps her contagious good mood even in the room, where she's present materially and spiritually and keeps company to you while you try to carry out your dreadful task. I mean that you are not alone in the room or you are not with a mumbling agonizing doll desperately crawling away from you. I have always preferred wide rooms to avoid suffocation and sweating, but I am realizing that small ones limit the chances of escape of the girls who try to move away from you while you fuck them doggy, spoon, etc.

Back to Lily, she doesn't kiss properly and keeps an eye on clock, but with discretion. Practically the most valid new girl I managed to find, anyway this judgement is due also to the lack of alternatives. You won't fly there for her, you won't wake up in your german accommodation salivating, having hard-ons and thinking to go to her, but after a short while in F39, just to mention a random club, you will think that she could be a good medicine to heal from depression and save your day regardless of the mere outcome of the session.

I zimmered also Cosmina, slim, short, a facial expression which would scare off a rapist, she appeared on the scenes some 6 years ago with a cousin. I thought I had been with her back then and that had been a disaster, but she said we never went to the room together, that I had been with the cousin. I found it strange since we had met also in other clubs, but she was friendly and talkative in all my visits, so in the end we remedied. Nothing special nor in good nor in bad, but was far better than I expected given the preambles (and the facial expression). No pains, no reproaches, no impatience. Actually, we had a couple of misunderstandings about do's and don't's and I trespassed a limitation that she put, but she didn't even get upset, of course she didn't take that with a smile, LOL, to be honest I still don't know her dental situation, but it doesn't matter.

What a lucky privileged guy I was in this club!

Maybe these places are not the best to find beauties with high level for 30. I wonder why high level top class would work taking risks for their life for 30. We get from what we buy and what we are. Looking for women, I still find pleasure, but I'm honest, not for 30. But a Belarus model, blond with green eyes, slim with long legs, lovely with a wow smile like a little girl, I fucked her sporty for 30 mn, no you are big, she wanted I finish, so, in her mouth, for 140 for 1 h. She returned to me and showed me photos of her flesh. Only bad point is she is becoming a little bit too wild for me when fucking, when she is so sweet on foreplay, kissing and chatting, so I let her, for a run at the moment from north Barcelona to Amesia Zurich.

EastGoing. Your trip may have been a catastrophe, with the girls trying to flee from you despite being imprisoned in the room with you to do things of which their mothers would not approve, but I know that on other occasions you have entranced many a Romanian beauty, to the point where they were almost paying you to take them to a room. Thanks for the entertaining report.

By the way I shall this week be seeing the girl who was on the phone in the front of a club, and will find out what her issue was.

Sirioja,

I respect all points of view and recognize that my needs and desires are questionable to say the least. But unfortunately it doesn't suit me to pay 50 for the room, plus 50 for kissing, plus 50 for fingering, plus 50 for licking, plus 50 for BBBJ (BTW both could catch diseases with this insane action, especially the girls), plus 50 for CIM, plus 100 for covered anal, plus god knows how much for whatelse. Also because I find the skills, technique, good will, endurance and patience of the girls (which often are not that much more beautiful either) of "normal clubs" much beneath the level of the most scarce RTCs girls.

When I post in the threads of the "normal clubs" I visited, you will understand better my points.

And I would like to add that IMHO opinion, when a man uses a condom, he's not fucking a woman, a pussy (or ass or mouth), he is fucking a condom! Would you enjoy your favourite meal, say chicken, wrapped into something, into lattex?

I'd enjoy more an oily wank, at least it would be flesh against wet flesh, like the real thing. With the condom, if the dick was, for example, in a hand, possibly with some spit, the man wouldn't realize and would unload proudly.

It's a trick used by black girls in the street, also in your France: they get off the car and slightly bend over in a dark place, put condom on, with one hand they hold your dick drawing you towards their ass, then they move their butt a bit against you like if they were leaning your dick on outer pussy and putting it inside, but instead they slide it into their other hand, where they had previously spitted, and hold the grip. A few minutes of rubbing and you'll go home proud and happy that you even felt the vaginal muscles of the girl. LOL!

If they take you home, they will mostly want to fuck in spoon position, never doggy. After placing the condom, they will put your dick between their thighs kept very close, once again you are likely not to realize, even if this version is easier to detect. If and when you do, you'll agree that your dick just slipped out. LOL!

This said, I fully agree that unprotected sex shouldn't be had nor offered, but it's a bit hypocritical to distinguish lighter versions like BBBJ and cunnilingus, even if surely less risky.

P.S. This evening where I live I got a BBBJ with CIM for 30 euros in car by a newly arrived romanian provider who refused to fuck AO. I wish she had Ionela's teeth, because my dick got a bit scarred by this rough real vampire. BTW, in Germany you won't get a BBBJ with CIM for 30 euros, not even in RTCs, because you pay entrance ;-)

Optimist,

Thanks for your esteem, I am flattered, but long gone are those days. Today's girls are fleeing from many customers, not only from me.

Their lack of intelligence, politeness, education, respect, savoir faire, good manners, etc. is prodigious. You normally don't need to understand romanian or any other language to observe gestures, facial expressions, body language, tones of voice.

The "old" girls are worn out inside and outside, I remember some of them since my first trip to RTCs (Denisa in Arabella, Larissa in Venus, Katy in Grimberg, etc.)

The very majority of the (also relatively) new ones are presumptuous, arrogant, precious, delicate, ipersensitive "princesses" good at nothing with not even the slightest will to do anything, thinking to be beauty queens. Try to go to Verena and sit beside Erika, Vanessa, Karina, just to mention a few, the best looking ones. They are less than 160 cm tall, I mean short, but they will look at you from top to toes downwards from their cloud.

At hand, I remember only the mentioned Lily and Aurelia in Verena having a smile on the face, even continuously, while the other ones are sad, disappointed, upset, sleepy, uninterested, watching the ceiling or the floor, anyway anywhere apart from the direction of customers, even if they are standing in front or even sitting besides on the same couch.
Try to go to Dietzenbach and experience what it means to sit beside Amira, Tania, Anna for instance, while the other girls make comments, recommendations, pull out your files with details which may not even be true (also because you may not have zimmered the "spies"), showering you with "compliments", while your chosen one totally ignores you. Customers are even "scared", I saw a man with white hair trying three times to be received before succeeding among puffs, firing eyes and slamming bags; another one being shown the third finger by Anna for just walking in her direction, just to mention a couple of RTCs episodes among the plenty.

The worst one was in Sharks: an elderly man arm in arm with a girl while lining up for eating. They were talking with smiles, each one in their own language, looking at each other's eyes like lovebirds, he was clearly living a dream, dripping love with "schatzi, meine liebe", bla bla in deutsche that I couldn't understand, but she was wishing him to suffocate with the food stuck in his throat, to die before arriving back home that night but not before she had taken all the money he had in his wallet, etc. , even kissing him! The atmosphere was nice, the other girls around them were laughing watching the scene, he was the protagonist of the movie, of the fairy tale: it could have been their marriage, and perhaps that was what he was feeling. He was genuinely happy to hold the hand of his beloved princess who was smiling at him, kissing him, talking with sweet voice unknown sweet words which had of course to be full of love and appreciation, maybe in the future she would have taught him her language.

Perhaps later he went home and wrote in some forum of how lovely and kind was that girl who made him so happy even eating with him, making him feel proud for his conquest in front of the other less lucky men, showing her girlfriends how important he was for her, what great moments he had that day, maybe recommending her or maybe not.. if he is jealous of his princess..

F...ing itches

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2431817]Sirioja,

I would like to add that IMHO opinion, when a man uses a condom, he's not fucking a woman, a pussy (or ass or mouth), he is fucking a condom! Would you enjoy your favourite meal, say chicken, wrapped into something, into lattex?[/QUOTE]This. Probably THE best explanation of why I prefer AO and hate to deal with condoms! Thank you EG! You articulated it so much better than I ever could.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2431817]Sirioja,

I respect all points of view and recognize that my needs and desires are questionable to say the least. But unfortunately it doesn't suit me to pay 50 for the room, plus 50 for kissing, plus 50 for fingering, plus 50 for licking, plus 50 for BBBJ (BTW both could catch diseases with this insane action, especially the girls), plus 50 for CIM, plus 100 for covered anal, plus god knows how much for whatelse. Also because I find the skills, technique, good will, endurance and patience of the girls (which often are not that much more beautiful either) of "normal clubs" much beneath the level of the most scarce RTCs girls.

When I post in the threads of the "normal clubs" I visited, you will understand better my points.

And I would like to add that IMHO opinion, when a man uses a condom, he's not fucking a woman, a pussy (or ass or mouth), he is fucking a condom! Would you enjoy your favourite meal, say chicken, wrapped into something, into lattex?

I'd enjoy more an oily wank, at least it would be flesh against wet flesh, like the real thing. With the condom, if the dick was, for example, in a hand, possibly with some spit, the man wouldn't realize and would unload proudly.[/QUOTE]Your funny posts about your saggy turtles experiences really entertained me yesterday on my long drive from Belarus model Katja too wild for me while fucking on north Barcelona to a girl I was told about since years, but never saw her before, usually working at too expensive Aphrodisia, but yesterday at Amesia ex Bumsalp, 1000 kms, only stopping for gas and oil in engine because Audi sold me DTM car, but I was laughing reading you, even having to push, fortunately Spain and France are not Switzerland and I was much faster on motorway in mountains than with works every kilometer in Germany, then Audi don t understand how I kill brakes discs in less than 100 000 kms, but when Yyu kick in brakes from over 200 down to 80 or 60 every kilometer. Anyway, really entertaining on this long time driving. For me, 30 € is too expensive for girls I would not go for free, I pay for beauty and after I try to manage, even I failed on last night, getting only low level sex. I agree better feeling without condom and I refuse CBJ, without or let s go fuck, but for sex, I m only interested with exclusive girls, those who lose control and look so lost after, they don t tell anything about, they don t ask extra, but most come to repeat, much more enjoyable than ugly short turtles. Princesses give me the biggest pleasure when making them cum and then they change behavior, some even ask for again. I pay more for pleasure in eyes and mind than to empty balls. Little death is not big pleasure for me, when I need beauty to have real pleasure. Each one own game of course.

EG great to see you here again. Your misadventures are always entertain and funny to read. Pity for the sad news you gave to us but I waiting to read about your time in the "normal" clubs.

Why are the girls there if they are so disinterested in doing sessions that they avoid and discourage customers? Aren't they there to make money? Or is some handler forcing them to be there and the girls' response is OK, you can force me to be here but I'm going to do as few sessions as possible? Otherwise, it makes no sense for the girls to waste their time in a club actively discouraging business that would give them the money they are presumably there for.

Eastgoing. You describe so well the now established phenomenon of the Precious Princesses who lack any respect for their clients. These girls know that they can get away with anything. Luckily there are a few girls and clubs where the girls do not look down their Princess noses at us lower forms of beings. As long as these remain I will still visit.

Cheers.

O.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2431987]Why are the girls there if they are so disinterested in doing sessions that they avoid and discourage customers? Aren't they there to make money? Or is some handler forcing them to be there and the girls' response is OK, you can force me to be here but I'm going to do as few sessions as possible? Otherwise, it makes no sense for the girls to waste their time in a club actively discouraging business that would give them the money they are presumably there for.[/QUOTE]Do you think most of RTC WGs are free? Just arrive just before opening and look at kind of taxis.

Eastgoing said "Their lack of intelligence, politeness, education, respect, savoir faire, good manners, etc. Is prodigious. You normally don't need to understand romanian or any other language to observe gestures, facial expressions, body language, tones of voice".

I had the misfortune to visit one rtc club today and can fully understand why the girls there do not want any reports on the internet. Most girls were to my mind totally physically unattractive, One quite nice looking girl appeared to be conscious of a world beyond her smartphone, so I tried to chat to her, but soon realised that her programming did not extend to anything more than a physical set piece. Her armour was complete. But I thought she might relax a bit in the room. I was in the room ten minutes, and found myself thinking "A sex robot would be more fun than this". Her next customer was disposed of in five minutes. Afterwards I found myself thinking: is this what P6 in Germany has come to. A long slow decline from intelligent personalities, to a mere processing of meaningless men by sex robots.

Gino02, thanks for your appreciation. If you know some magazine / newspaper directors and want to pass them my "articles" so that they can hire me, I will give you a percentage of my earnings!

Sirioja, I agree about the paradox of paying girls I wouldn't fuck for free, LOL! I am envious of your happy satisfactory expensive love-sexual-sporty life, unfortunately mine is different.

Jimmy, I asked some of them your questions, but I got no real answers. Perhaps they want the maximum result (30 euros) with the minimum effort (a quick customer without claims), somehow what we customers want (30 euros sessions with all extras included).

Christian, I wrote in the threads of Sharks and Finca. Only Rom, FKK near Frankfurt, left to describe.

Optimist, don't wander around, less than ever in RTCs, stay in Finca!

Visited this no smoking club once and a half, mostly to meet up with fellow punters, which seems to have become the main if not the only aim of the trips since quite a while.

I don't remember all members of the crew also because photos are nomore in display in RTCs, except perhaps Dietz and F39. However there were some exiles from F39 (Simona, Vanessa, Elena,?), from Venus (Ewa and another couple of unnecessary ones), a few resident survivors of long militancy (Mirela, Aurelia, etc.), some who returned (Erika, Karina, etc), a couple of new faces.

Elena officially no AO;
Vanessa no / yes / but no finishing in any cavity / no;
Erika no / actually / but / mmmh / no;
Karina mmmh / yes / mmmh;
etc.

Regarding attitude, out of some 15 girls I saw there, I would save only Aurelia, Mirela and Simona.

The only new one (for me) I zimmered was Carla, fuckable body but male gypsy face. We carried out what we had to in an emotionless routine, cats in the street at least would "meeeeoow" when mating, in our case we didn't even acknowledge each other.

I struggled to zimmer reluctant doll Karina, whose stigmata in hands I could notice while in missio, since she kept her crucified position, while Mirela received me happily. None of us even thought about kissing (ok, only Karina was kissable), something which is on the way to extinction anyway.

In Sharks my girl said to me that she was "offering", meaning giving me for free, DFK and BBBJ. When she "kissed" me, I asked her if that was the kind of kiss I should have paid 50 euros for or a "handicapped" version. "That's how I kiss" left me gaping, but she didn't take advantage to launch her tongue in my mouth in spite of being on top of me.

Some people suggest that kissing is dieing because of coronavirus. It would be a ridiculous reason with any prostitute, imagine with an AO one, however it is a lot of time that it is fading more and more, this process didn't start this year.

In RLD districts of Bochum and Frankfurt, where the motto seems to be "alles mit" (everything covered) and in FKK Rom I was regularly answered to go to my wife or to find one if I wanted DFK.

Generally speaking, in RTCs it has become quite difficult to deal with labyrinths of "yes but", "mmmh (let me think)", no's, etc. Since this works for anything you may like which was naturally included years ago without asking (fingering, kissing, unloading in cavities, etc), now you ask just what matters more for you, 1 max 2 questions, because a longer or, God forbid!, full interview would be unbearable for the candidates and also exhausting for you, one of the 2 would abandon prematurely.

Actually, you are the candidate, because it's the girl evaluating you, reasoning whether the room with you could be a tolerable annoyment or an unsustainable sacrifice to be avoided, it's not you wondering whether she could give you a pleasant session or not! They choose! Paradoxically, in normal clubs the sharks will try to approach you with a smile!

But WTF, it is supposed to be a pleasure, a relaxing enjoyable thing, and you are the one who pays for it, not the one who gets paid!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2432418]Eastgoing said "Their lack of intelligence, politeness, education, respect, savoir faire, good manners, etc. Is prodigious. You normally don't need to understand romanian or any other language to observe gestures, facial expressions, body language, tones of voice".

I had the misfortune to visit one rtc club today and can fully understand why the girls there do not want any reports on the internet. Most girls were to my mind totally physically unattractive, One quite nice looking girl appeared to be conscious of a world beyond her smartphone, so I tried to chat to her, but soon realised that her programming did not extend to anything more than a physical set piece. Her armour was complete. But I thought she might relax a bit in the room. I was in the room ten minutes, and found myself thinking "A sex robot would be more fun than this". Her next customer was disposed of in five minutes. Afterwards I found myself thinking: is this what P6 in Germany has come to. A long slow decline from intelligent personalities, to a mere processing of meaningless men by sex robots.[/QUOTE]I don't agree: I still find interesting, meaning attractive and for love in bed, even with condom, girls, but you can choose to waste many times 30 € with girls with bad teeth, when I prefer to spend for high level girls. Also better to be able to make attractive girls becoming good for us, my job in FKK land.

Repeatedly visited, mainly because girls were not hiding that much, were not busy on couches with mobiles or talking to each other. They were alive, present, even interacting with customers and trying to draw them instead of rejecting. With a dignity which surprised me, on my every visit more than a girl left earlier because she wasn't being zimmered or not "enough" and preferred to leave rather than staying there for nothing.

Denisa, got slimmer, funny and entertaining whether you zimmer her or not, would be a great theke, when the real one was in office or anyway not in her place, she attentively took care of anything everywhere;.

Catalea, probably best body currently in RTCs, her face and glasses lower her attractiveness, needs a horse to cope with her energy, looks also for her own satisfaction;.

Dominican Sarah, she too met on my very first visit, I don't notice any changes in her inspite of years passing and now being 42;.

Sabrina, always and anyway the busiest, she would make a trio with you and your dog, she would fuck an orango, an alien with 7 dicks, even being dressed on the doorstep at closing time with you lowering your zip, as long as she gets paid;.

Madalina from F39, unexpectedly polite and friendly, behaviorally unrecognizable, probably softened by the personality and seniority of the resident dominatrixes ruling;.

Larissa, ex F39, got slightly prittier and slimmer, more cheerful and active, after dinner time she would consider the day over;.

Simona, if I am not mistaken a past in F39, at first sight you'd discard her not really for the small saggy boobs, quite standard in RTCs, but for the face (compulsory the use of a pillow to cover her face). I remember friends 1-2 years ago decanting her skills and my incapability to overcome the obstacle.
I broke the taboo last year and this one too, I must say that she's very good in zimmer, just mind her stuffing. She doesn't mind the time for the lenght of the session, but like her friend above, after a certain hour she wilts;.

Janina, as I already wrote time ago, her brain is constantly rejuvenating, I'd reckon now must be of an about 4 years old, her poorer menu leaves her entire days watching the scene and just running commentaries;.

Marianna, bulgarian ex F39, where she was with the daughter, who had a great body but was a nightmare in zimmer, as I had written time ago. Moved here alone and took her name. Sinuous walking wiggling her ass like in parades, slim, gypsy dark skinned, seen from the back you'd have quiet some phantasies.
Unfortunately the front side has the same problems of Simona, even smaller saggier boobs, face which would scare a whole gang of serial rapists. Compulsory use of pillow on face, recommended as further precaution selfblindfolding (she might try eye-contact) and doggie. In her case, I still couldn't overcome the obstacle;.

Maria, bulgarian on site since ages, I was told by girls saying they saw her papers that she is 42. I thought per leg, but actually that would be too much, anyway I would have quantified at least over 50;.

Vanessa, compatriot of the above, on the chubby side, gypsy, I understood she accepts lighter versions;.

The following 3 could found a female version of the Culture Club, or at least sing a cover of "do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry?" (song of 1982), or changing the word "hurt" with "fuck", not to pay copyrights. "do you really want to fuck me?" actually sounds better.

Of course the band would become an orchestra, if all the girls I met in this trip asking more or less directly this question would join together.

Carla, young, new, perhaps surprised to have the chance to get a customer, given her not slim figure, but it was "letzte runde" and I felt still lustful, noone else in sight apart from unzimmerable girls for one reason or another and corpses which might have refused a further session. I thought that I could add one more gem to my collection of monsters and failures, she could legitimately participate to both, and anyway she was fresh having only one room that day, perhaps even horny and needy of dick! Unfortunately she started suffering and disturbing my efforts quite early with the leit-motiv in all remix versions, "do you really. " I couldn't even finish.

Emy, tall big young new girl, not beautiful but not ugly. Every customer writes and speaks bad about her, but collections are collections.
After days of "no's, maybe, later, mmmh, etc. " from both sides, we were the only 2 left in sight. I told her about her bad fame, she denied, I took the challenge.
Of course I don't even mention anymore kissing, not even grandmas' kissing, let's forget about that. BBBJ was decent, enjoyable, to keep peace I let her do that for 10 minutes, then I expressed my intention to proceed with the main course, "Ok but not hard". We were on the 15th minute, emotionless and nearly motionless, the most was done, probably the worst was over, I thought we could make it, when she resuscitated and started singing. "still much to go? You want to keep me here 20 minutes? Etc. Boy George didn't have problems with women, lucky him! I managed to finish and I regretted she couldn't be part of any collection.

Anna, 23 years old, the lead singer, good beyond the refrain, "you really mean you want to fuck me for 15 minutes?" I was wondering why not at least 20, since she had mentioned the number, then smartly corrected, probably calculating the wasted time without injury time.
I had met her more than one year earlier, I had troubles in locating her in space and time because, contrarily to nearly all other girls, not only she hadn't gained weight, but she had lost plenty!
I found her so sexy (Sirioja, don't read!) that I had spontaneous erections! LOL! I have had rooms where the end would approach by the time I got stiff! Imagine my disappointment in hearing that my dick was too hard, after I got used to use it as a yo-yo, with girls not even trying to reanimate it!
Anyway, probably thanks to the "sponsorship" of her godmother, she accepted my courting to the point she became the true room-topscorer of the trip, not for goal difference (2-2 with Lily), but because she got 2 rooms of 30 minutes, only girl in NRW of this trip to get that much, as you know in Hessen rooms are 30 minutes.

"Do you really want to go to RTCs? Do you really want to go to Germany?"

P.S. This should have been the last post of the series...

EG. At the risk of being seen as your paid accomplice, I just add that if Germany is not what it was, and if the FKK Thread is in ruins, your report is a beacon transmitting time warp qualities and brilliance.

Last Week.

Villa Venus.

I took the 903 to Villa Venus and made the hike. Standard line-up was present about a dozen. Girls are $30 for 20 minutes. Over a few visits I focused on the following Alicia, Baby, Maria, Larissa. All provided similar standard services except Larissa which also provides heavy DFK. Maria is the one with the big fake tits. Alicia and Baby both sit in the front row of couches. And Larissa as always is the best **** of the house and a good choice for the last round. I was told Emma was at Luderland and as a side note she is only an optifuck.

Grimberg.

I took the 301 and did the short walk. Standard line-up and about 9 were present. Not much has change from last year except fewer girls on that day. Kati has new tits I think Bella has new ribbon tattoos. My favorite is Kati and had to be gentle with the tits. I was hoping to see Rebekka, but she was not around. I really hate the dam showers at this place.

Arabella.

I took the 302 and did the short walk. Probably the best overall lineup in the area. I read EG's description and I'm not able to add any value beyond what he mentioned. Maybe I hate the showers here. I did not try Madalina as I couldn't get a reading about her, but probably should have. I had a great session with a mid 20 ish Romanian girl with a lip piercing. She sits next to Janina. Most of my time was with Sabrina and Larissa.

All 3 of these places are worth a visit, but most of my time was spent between Villa Venus and Arabella. Same prices too.

The antidote for coronavirus has not been found yet, but the one against viagra and that kind of pills yes. Pfizer is going to add to their medicine leaflet in the paragraph "what to do if you take an excessive dose": go to M-Ex Buldern.

Here you must decide in advance how many sessions you'd like. No(more) refunds if you don't find girls to your likings or if you disapprove their menu or if they refuse you, because "with all these girls you will find someone". The romanian young theke seemed caring, she wanted to know if you had complains or anything to declare, I told her it wasn't my task to make her notice girls' behaviour. She was nearly always in the kitchen behind the desk, she didn't notice that there were more girls in there than on the couches? And they were not eating!

Anyway, some 10 cows in the pasture, plus 5-6 under the quintal but not slim and with plenty of "buts":

The already described Nicoletta, the most beautiful in house but flaccid and full of no's, I didn't try to ask what else she had added in her no's-list (BTW, "if you want kisses, get a girlfriend" is inevitable also from her);.

One of the sisters of Bianca-Alina ex everywhere, trying to avoid you even when opening the door on your arrival, I couldn't even get close enough to ask her name, I'm afraid I may die without knowing whether I have been with her or not;.

A girl who was always with the above "x-sister", even going to pee together, like 2 virgins in a disco. Unapproachable and elusive as well;.

2 girls who had to be quite new, sitting beside each other on an angular sofa, they wouldn't even turn their heads when a customer was sitting beside one of them, or even 2 men simultaneously. A guy managed to understand everything covered, another one went to the room and came back quickly, dejected. I must have heard them saying they wanted to leave, probably annoyed by the obscene requests of the maniacs in the club.
To be honest, in these clubs girls do things which are not ok, but these 2 wouldn't even want to be touched on the knee.

Jenny, the hungarian I described in a post of 2018. Still the best body around, same strengths and weaknesses, just older. She told me she couldn't take me 4 times, not that it was my original intention, but I had bought 4 bloody cards, so she tried to pass me to her hungarian colleague, a cow with the lower half nearly ok, but the upper part was a risk for the scale, for the balance needle.

Her name should be Gina, a quiet pretty face, trip's best kisser (it helps in keeping up the poor dick), without being anything memorable. A friend of mine who joined me there, liking slim small girls, took her for his only room because of her nice continuous smile (the only one in the club), inspite of me warning him about the possible limitations, he was happy anyway. At least she was cheerful and friendly, always smiling, even when, with her unenthusiastic consent, I sprinkled away her restrictions ;-)

For the first time in Germany, a day without romanians! 4 hungarian sessions, 2 rooms each, 4 finishes.

Not necessary at all to go to Dulmen, especially with low temperatures. The lockers and the showers are in the cold, the water of the toilet sink is cold too, the heating "inside" is not that strong and girls won't warm you up either. Also here, I couldn't find names out

I didn't bother to visit Luderland to find out if Anita had reached the perfect sphericity, I didn't need to recheck the established Lori, Sara, Maya, Oana, Veronica, etc., as far as I knew still there with the addition of some refugees from Venus (Melly, Angela) but no new faces or at least not worth the effort. After ages with uninterrupted HH, it was the only club without.

Nor I bothered to go to Duisburg to meet again Larissa, Michaela big boobs back after about 1 year, Bahar back after some 3 years (like blonde bulgarian rabbit toothed Nicole), Maria, Elena, etc all there since the beginning (or shortly after) of my german period, plus some other old faces (Dilara, Alicia) without any new face.

I close the series of this trip with this post. Currently I don't know if and when I'll go back to Germany, partly because I don't have anymore the push and satisfactions I had before and I reckon that things could only get worse and not better, partly because I think clubs will close soon and who knows if and when they will reopen, RTCs even more at risk IMHO.

I want to thank the as many as 5 guys who bothered to post a couple of lines of appreciation for my posts: Jimmy, Sirioja, Christian, Gino02 and Optimist, who even fears to look like if he was on my payroll.

Of course he is not, he just did, even more than once, what the lurkers, scroungers and critics reading this forum can not manage to do: login and write, even to express different points of view.

I hadn't post anymore for quite a while because in dead threads it wasn't worth it, this time I did it because, as I said, I don't know if and when there could be another occasion.

Bye.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2434285]I didn't bother to visit Luderland to find out if Anita had reached the perfect sphericity, I didn't need to recheck the established Lori, Sara, Maya, Oana, Veronica, etc., as far as I knew still there with the addition of some refugees from Venus (Melly, Angela) but no new faces or at least not worth the effort. After ages with uninterrupted HH, it was the only club without.

Nor I bothered to go to Duisburg to meet again Larissa, Michaela big boobs back after about 1 year, Bahar back after some 3 years (like blonde bulgarian rabbit toothed Nicole), Maria, Elena, etc all there since the beginning (or shortly after) of my german period, plus some other old faces (Dilara, Alicia) without any new face.

I close the series of this trip with this post. Currently I don't know if and when I'll go back to Germany, partly because I don't have anymore the push and satisfactions I had before and I reckon that things could only get worse and not better, partly because I think clubs will close soon and who knows if and when they will reopen, RTCs even more at risk IMHO.

I want to thank the as many as 5 guys who bothered to post a couple of lines of appreciation for my posts: Jimmy, Sirioja, Christian, Gino02 and Optimist, who even fears to look like if he was on my payroll.

Of course he is not, he just did, even more than once, what the lurkers, scroungers and critics reading this forum can not manage to do: login and write, even to express different points of view.

I hadn't post anymore for quite a while because in dead threads it wasn't worth it, this time I did it because, as I said, I don't know if and when there could be another occasion.

Bye.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the mention EG. Good luck in whatever you are up to next, maybe we will find your new (very useful and also enjoyable) reports in some other threads? I'm also rooting for your (and your reports) comeback to FKKs and RTCs once this virus hysteria is over.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2434285]
I hadn't post anymore for quite a while because in dead threads it wasn't worth it, this time I did it because, as I said, I don't know if and when there could be another occasion.

Bye.[/QUOTE]Sorry for coming to the party so late. With all the strangeness going on, I have not been checking this board lately. Your posts are very much appreciated. Best of luck to you. If you ever make it back to RTC-land, you are definitely one of the valued contributors I would love to meet.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2434285]I reckon that things could only get worse and not better, partly because I think clubs will close soon and who knows if and when they will reopen, RTCs even more at risk IMHO.

I want to thank the as many as 5 guys who bothered to post a couple of lines of appreciation for my posts: Jimmy, Sirioja, Christian, Gino02 and Optimist[/QUOTE]I also very much appreciated your posts. I drafted a note of thanks to you recently but I think your mailbox was full.

There are probably too many clubs in NRW for the number of customers, so when things eventually re-open, we might find much less choice of clubs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2432214]Do you think most of RTC WGs are free? Just arrive just before opening and look at kind of taxis.[/QUOTE]Do you think a foreign-registered car implies they are not free? Or are they just taking a lift from a trusted friend?

The police can also monitor the arrivals at the club and question the drivers if they are suspicious.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2440538]Do you think a foreign-registered car implies they are not free? Or are they just taking a lift from a trusted friend?

The police can also monitor the arrivals at the club and question the drivers if they are suspicious.[/QUOTE]What is the work for Bulgarian or Romanian drivers, in Germany, to get money to live in Germany? Girls money to get. I m afraid not to be clever enough, because if I don't work, even during virus, then I don't make money. Nevertheless, RTC specialists don't have to be afraid of virus, much less dangerous than HIV.

So like many others here I exist in solitary confinement at the moment.

But at least I'm having excellent wanks over the detailed memories I have of the Arabella girls I've got to know over the past few years. Anastasia, Janina, Sabine, Denisa and more. I relive the great sessions in my mind. For me this is much better than watching porn but sometimes I combine the two.

Also I have great memories of the Swingers clubs in Bochum. I hope we can all return to Germany sooner than later. Cheers WK.

I remember I saw few years ago a quite pretty and fresh blond at Arabella, maybe Alexandra, like I saw quite pretty Bulgarian I think to remember Esmeralda at F39 , but so many uglies with no charm, no sex appeal, bad teeth, just meat to fill inside. Best for me at Venus was music, one of the best in clubs and hot shower. Also m&ms, mandarines and hot shower with mouthwash at Dietzenbach. Usually wasting 15 € on early happy hour, before other clubs open. At least, virus is not main risk in these clubs. I can't understand in a country like Germany, with new law since 1 July 2017, when I met a pretty girl at Samya on 30 June 2017 and we had good room, so I returned for her on next day, and she told me: I m sorry but now I can't BBBJ you, polizei came today to explain us new law and they tell if we don't respect, we will have to pay 1500 for fine, she was a fresh Romanian, great Turkish Samya staff made come polizei at 5 pm to explain new law to girls, so I had to explain her, according to law she is a victim and I m guilty, so fine would be only for me if we were caught by polizei hidden under the bed or behind curtains, so she smiled, being less stressed and told: I know You, so we can do like last night? For sure, for pleasure again. Nevertheless, risky even before virus RTC are still opened, with blind polizei and administration. Polizei is less blind on autobahns, even nothing to compare to Switzerland where driving faster than you walk, lead to jail, with Albanian dealers, at least you can learn from them. For cheap cocaine, Zurich in clean Switzerland is the place, free for girls in brothels, for energy. In some German clubs, girls have to pay a bit because not so cheap than in small very expensive Zurich.

Wanking.

Thanks

Memories are important. If I don't find moments in clubs which enrich my life then there would be no point in going.

From the clubs within this Thread some of the girls who stay with me are.

Larissa. The super sleuth of customer care.

Julia. Who hated the job, was useless at it, but was so pretty.

Baby. Always so much fun and tight pussy.

Angie. With the bad teeth, and permanent anal income. Vito said she looked like the had been hit with an IED. A bit harsh

Ivana. Crosseyed hoarse Bulgarian who took me shopping and who I let down on a prearranged date, to my shame. She loved to come while being assfucked

Bianca. The most accomplished liar, who had a real talent for empathy in the search for euros. Now at home with her man and kids and, I hope, happy. I followed her from Dietzenbach to Freude

All of these girls I treasure in memory.

A post on a German forum says that Villa Venus will not be reopening as the lease will not be renewed.

Verena is the first of the RTC clubs to open starting today, 15-09, I guess that there are a few girls available to start right now so only one has opened and that as more girls return then more of the clubs will open up.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2444184]But at least I'm having excellent wanks over the detailed memories I have of the Arabella girls I've got to know over the past few years. Anastasia, Janina, Sabine, Denisa and more. I relive the great sessions in my mind. For me this is much better than watching porn but sometimes I combine the two.

Also I have great memories of the Swingers clubs in Bochum. I hope we can all return to Germany sooner than later. Cheers WK.[/QUOTE]North Rhine-Westphalia has removed the ban on prostitution from the latest Coronavirus protection ordinance, valid from tomorrow September 16th. Covid seems to have taken away Freude 39, but Arabella is expected to reopen.

After wrapping up my business in Germany, I decided I would see how the new RTC life was post Covid. I decided to try out opening day at The Villa Verena in Dortmund. I was expecting a weekend rush* type day being day number one but no line upon arrival at the club, it was just after lunch. Unfortunately slim pickings on the LU only 3 girls but I knew all three from having seen them in Verena prior. Mirella (former F39, LuLa) and Simona were both present. I had not seen Simona in a long time since her Freude days so took her first. In the room all was as nothing*had changed, service as we expect with a good attitude. The prices FYI are the same as prior to the virus era. This was welcomed news to me as I expected a price increase. I was used to paying 15 for entry early but today entry was 30. My second room was with Mirella, who I am a long time regular of in both DO and LuLa. Per Mirella she says LuLa should open ' soon' within the next week. Both rooms were 70 for an hour. Tipped each 10. Total damage was 190 with two fucks and entry.

Some tidbits. Masks, sign in, distance 1.5 m unless on way to the room. * Few breaks for the girls present just some down time here and there. The showers finally have been upgraded, rain showers were added. A nice touch. All drinks / coffee served in paper cups. Several disinfectant bottles available upon entry as well as around the club including the lockers and toilets. If you forget your mask no problem, they have plenty at the Theke. The rooms have them too. One final note, usually every 45 minutes or so the girls wash the towels today between the rooms along with the Theke they*were much busier washing than usual simply to keep all used towels fresh not laying around as usual.

RTC is back guys, be good to the girls. They are thrilled to be back.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2483027]A post on a German forum says that Villa Venus will not be reopening as the lease will not be renewed.[/QUOTE]Website say reopen tomorrow, 17th September.

Same as Grimberg and Arabella.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2484255]Website say reopen tomorrow, 17th September.

Same as Grimberg and Arabella.[/QUOTE]Can you give me a list of German forums please? I speak fluent German, and read it too, so I can contribute here in return.

[QUOTE=MrStyles;2484310]Can you give me a list of German forums please? I speak fluent German, and read it too, so I can contribute here in return.[/QUOTE]I use [URL]www.freiercafe.sex/forum.[/URL] I don't speak german, but I use Google translate and I can post on the forum with this tool.

It's a good forum with a focus on the RTC clubs from NRW.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2484255]Website say reopen tomorrow, 17th September.

Same as Grimberg and Arabella.[/QUOTE]I have checked the RTC web sites, only Verena has announced that it is open.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2484433]I have checked the RTC web sites, only Verena has announced that it is open.[/QUOTE]Check better! All 3 website says open from 17.9
ab do 17.9 wieder da = back from Thursday 17.9

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2484437]Check better! All 3 website says open from 17.9
ab do 17.9 wieder da = back from Thursday 17.9[/QUOTE]That's good news. It's a good thing that you put in the screenshots as I still don't see it!

But in addition Luderland has the same (opening tomorrow) and Laluna says it's now open as of today.

Yesterday there was a check in Arabella if everything went according to the Corona rules. Two men that wrote down incorrect contact data had to leave immediately (and will not be allowed in anymore). If they also will get the fine of Euro 250 for this offense, is not known (yet). These fines officially start as of today.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2488833]Yesterday there was a check in Arabella if everything went according to the Corona rules. Two men that wrote down incorrect contact data had to leave immediately (and will not be allowed in anymore). If they also will get the fine of Euro 250 for this offense, is not known (yet). These fines officially start as of today.[/QUOTE]Who controlled?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2488857]Who controlled?[/QUOTE]I think it was the Ordnungsambt, but not sure.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2489017]I think it was the Ordnungsambt, but not sure.[/QUOTE]German administration? Not polizei, like for LR.

European laws also allow transit through EU countries, as long countries don t decide to close own borders.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2489041]German administration? Not polizei, like for LR.

European laws also allow transit through EU countries, as long countries don t decide to close own borders.[/QUOTE]I didn't read the European laws, but I assume transit through countries would mean your car should be parked only for the following reasons: food, toilet, fuel, or maybe a quick nap at the rest stop. Not spending 18 hours at a sauna club.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2489152]I didn't read the European laws, but I assume transit through countries would mean your car should be parked only for the following reasons: food, toilet, fuel, or maybe a quick nap at the rest stop. Not spending 18 hours at a sauna club.[/QUOTE]It varies from country to country, each one has their own regulations to counter Covid. Germany for instance requires people who have been in Belguim for more than 2 days to isolate for 2 weeks. You would have to check what each country's rules are at the time you transit through as they change all the time.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2489152]I didn't read the European laws, but I assume transit through countries would mean your car should be parked only for the following reasons: food, toilet, fuel, or maybe a quick nap at the rest stop. Not spending 18 hours at a sauna club.[/QUOTE]Because I think always better to know a bit and I know about Swiss administration behavior which is much worse than in Germany, so I called Swiss public health office. Transit is staying less than 24 hours, of course better not to be controlled in a brothel, but if you have a bit of brain, You should limit risk, for example better to avoid Thursdays and Fridays at LR. But when France did welcome Germans and their covid for their holidays when they much prefer to spend in beautiful France rather than in Germany, then, as a French, even no big risk if You are a bit clever, but I won t run to German brothels, Germans have problems with covid without French and I have a German beauty at Globe, the only club where I prefer German girls, when everywhere else, I much prefer Romanian beauties, but we improve for a wow room on last night with a orgasmus machine. Woman reactions in bed with such a elegant sexy beauty, just delightful. At Globe, I m welcome as a French even they know I criticize falling casting, but only 1 beauty is enough for me, as the most faithful. Now in Zurich, they control my phone, they didn't ask but I showed them my ID, when German beauty told less clients now with this control since 1 October, but no problem for me, when many wrote Donald for name and phone 123 , as I told her: if I had a woman in my life, I would not be in brothels land, I would prefer to take care of her when I chose her. But a great time with her, best since we started in July, no rush, no hurry, I m not a rabbit, I prefer quality. To repeat and Globe is closer to my mountains, to finish my climbing's and wish soon for ski. When Germany cry about covid, brothels are a great playfield for covid to spread with guys bringing back at home, like many Germans who go to AO before returning to wife.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2489270]It varies from country to country, each one has their own regulations to counter Covid. Germany for instance requires people who have been in Belguim for more than 2 days to isolate for 2 weeks. You would have to check what each country's rules are at the time you transit through as they change all the time.[/QUOTE]I don't think quarantine if You just transit, would be big problem for transport business, but if You stay to spend a while.

[URL]https://youtu.be/7ppdVz_EBrc[/URL]

Admittedly this girl is a bit better looking and has definitely alot less mileage in her vageena 😁

My first post in a while.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2522163][URL]https://youtu.be/7ppdVz_EBrc[/URL]

Admittedly this girl is a bit better looking and has definitely alot less mileage in her vageena 😁

My first post in a while.[/QUOTE]OMG, Wanking, I cannot believe how lucky you are to bang a precious girl like Jazmine Garcia in this video and presumably AO as this is an AO thread.

15 months since my last trip to Hoormany. I still have good detailed wanks over all the lovely GFE sessions with Anastasia, Janina, Sabine and some others. I had some amazing sex in Arabella and also in Freude. All great trips to Bochum from 2017 to 2020.

I've been fairly active on Seeking arrangement in my own country since before the lockdown, can be some gems but you have to weed out all the scammers and overpriced escorts. Been a lifesaver over the last year. I've found a few women living not too far from me who fuck bareback for around 100 a session. Often its a date where we have food first and then go for a slow session. Problem is these women don't see themselves as hoors and may only want to meet up once every week or so, and are often seeing several guys, so can be hard to make arrangements. Plus it can take several weeks of chat before they want to meet up.

Overall ID stíll prefer a day in Arabella than just meeting one girl off Seeking Arrangement but at the moment it's sure better than nothing.

Can't wait to visit again but probably September when I get there.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;2569019]Can't wait to visit again but probably September when I get there.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL][/QUOTE]Grimberg and Verena open tomorrow, Romatika seems open now, Venus on Wednesday.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2569025]Grimberg and Verena open tomorrow, Romatika seems open now, Venus on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]If anyone goes, please post! Need to live vicariously until I can get back to the RTCs.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2561293]15 months since my last trip to Hoormany. I still have good detailed wanks over all the lovely GFE sessions with Anastasia, Janina, Sabine and some others. I had some amazing sex in Arabella and also in Freude. All great trips to Bochum from 2017 to 2020.

I've been fairly active on Seeking arrangement in my own country since before the lockdown, can be some gems but you have to weed out all the scammers and overpriced escorts. Been a lifesaver over the last year. I've found a few women living not too far from me who fuck bareback for around 100 a session. Often its a date where we have food first and then go for a slow session. Problem is these women don't see themselves as hoors and may only want to meet up once every week or so, and are often seeing several guys, so can be hard to make arrangements. Plus it can take several weeks of chat before they want to meet up.

Overall ID stll prefer a day in Arabella than just meeting one girl off Seeking Arrangement but at the moment it's sure better than nothing.[/QUOTE]What you describe as a problem is for me extremely positive, when the girls are careful about who they will meet means they have something to loose, very good sign. Why you don't like to fight a little bit to get something, for sure in a FKK there is 0 suspense, 50 euros and the holes are wide open.

Hi.

Can anyone confirm if it is enough to show a vaccination certificate at Arabella and Grimberg sauna and other clubs in NRW?

BL.

[QUOTE=ButtLover;2569864]Hi.

Can anyone confirm if it is enough to show a vaccination certificate at Arabella and Grimberg sauna and other clubs in NRW?

BL.[/QUOTE]Nowadays it is far cheaper to book a hotel by phone than by [URL]booking.com[/URL]. When you call the hotels they are very strict with the covid measures and you need to have a negative test but in fact when you check in nobody ask you any test. I guess it will be the same for the FKK, take a test with you from Lidl or Roossman cost around 1 or 2 euro so in case you are on the safe side.

Add LaLuna and Luderland to the open clubs list, they start tomorrow.

There is no news on Freude39 (if that even qualifies these days) and of course Deitenbach in Hesse.

According to several postings in several fora almost every RTC-club has reopened with the same pricing structure und sort of the same line-up as before (only a few girls less probably pro club).

[QUOTE=Wanking;2561293]I've been fairly active on Seeking arrangement in my own country since before the lockdown, can be some gems but you have to weed out all the scammers and overpriced escorts. Been a lifesaver over the last year. I've found a few women living not too far from me who fuck bareback for around 100 a session.[/QUOTE]That is an amazing price point! May I ask what city you're in? I have not heard such amazing results from SA and I have been trying lately to find a BBFS girl on there.

[QUOTE=MarineOne;2571903]That is an amazing price point! May I ask what city you're in? I have not heard such amazing results from SA and I have been trying lately to find a BBFS girl on there.[/QUOTE]Lets just say its in Europe. And I believe its possible to get bareback off SA girls in many parts of Europe fairly cheap.

Does take some effort and might not happen on first date.

I had a girl in Lanzarote quote me all night for 100 euro if I buy her dinner and some drinks. Haven't met her yet though.

I know SA is much more expensive in the States.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2570033]Add LaLuna and Luderland to the open clubs list, they start tomorrow.

There is no news on Freude39 (if that even qualifies these days) and of course Deitenbach in Hesse.[/QUOTE]I read on another forum that Freude39 building is empty. All furniture has been removed, So maybe no more freude39. Shame as I liked that club.

What like is luderland, never been, is it any good. How many girls there?

Which rtc club has the most attractive girls?

[QUOTE=RedBull691;2573528]I read on another forum that Freude39 building is empty. All furniture has been removed, So maybe no more freude39. Shame as I liked that club.

What like is luderland, never been, is it any good. How many girls there?

Which rtc club has the most attractive girls?[/QUOTE]What are attractive girls for you if you look in RTC where mostly misery and bad teeth, when had real beauties, even for only 40/30, but not in risky, much more dangerous than covid and delta RTC.

[QUOTE=RedBull691;2573528]I read on another forum that Freude39 building is empty. All furniture has been removed, So maybe no more freude39. Shame as I liked that club.

What like is luderland, never been, is it any good. How many girls there?

Which rtc club has the most attractive girls?[/QUOTE]As I expected, some P6 establishments have thrown in the towel and have quietly gone bankrupt when everything was closed.

Some (like World) have bet the farm on a strong revival and have invested much money for renovations, while some others like Sharks have taken a smarter approach and have invested nothing and just see where this all leads in the future.

IMHO a smart and conservative approach for any P6 club is to wait and see if there will not be more lockdowns later this year, which is what I expect.

[QUOTE=RedBull691;2573528]I read on another forum that Freude39 building is empty. All furniture has been removed, So maybe no more freude39. Shame as I liked that club.

What like is luderland, never been, is it any good. How many girls there?

Which rtc club has the most attractive girls?[/QUOTE]Freude39 was sold so no one knows what will happen there. Luderland looks better than many of the other RTC clubs as it used to be a small FKK. And you never know which club will have the best as the girls are moved around although I have found that Dietzenbach and Luderland often have the nicest looking girls.

Hey guys,

Haven't seen much posted recently about the NRW clubs. Are the clubs all open now? How is the talent? I am booked for a trip over from the US in early November and just wanted to make sure things are getting back to where they were. I realize a lot can change over the next 3 months but I was curious how it is going so far.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2586592]Hey guys,

Haven't seen much posted recently about the NRW clubs. Are the clubs all open now? How is the talent? I am booked for a trip over from the US in early November and just wanted to make sure things are getting back to where they were. I realize a lot can change over the next 3 months but I was curious how it is going so far.

Thanks![/QUOTE]NRW clubs have opened up as the incidence levels were dropping but the bad news is that now the rates are climbing again. For a couple of weeks the state was at incidence level 0 where there was no restrictions but now they are back at level 1 where you have to register and prove that you have been either been tested, vaccinated or have recovered from Corona. Already it appears that the clubs will have to close again as there is no sign that the infection rate will level off and incidence level 2 will start.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2586592]Hey guys,

Haven't seen much posted recently about the NRW clubs. Are the clubs all open now? How is the talent? I am booked for a trip over from the US in early November and just wanted to make sure things are getting back to where they were. I realize a lot can change over the next 3 months but I was curious how it is going so far.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Are you so sure that your trip will take place knowing that delta variant starts to pop up in Europe and the US. The things will not go back to 2019 before many years.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2586592]Hey guys,

Haven't seen much posted recently about the NRW clubs. Are the clubs all open now? How is the talent? I am booked for a trip over from the US in early November and just wanted to make sure things are getting back to where they were. I realize a lot can change over the next 3 months but I was curious how it is going so far.

Thanks![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Downandup;2586778]NRW clubs have opened up as the incidence levels were dropping but the bad news is that now the rates are climbing again. For a couple of weeks the state was at incidence level 0 where there was no restrictions but now they are back at level 1 where you have to register and prove that you have been either been tested, vaccinated or have recovered from Corona. Already it appears that the clubs will have to close again as there is no sign that the infection rate will level off and incidence level 2 will start.[/QUOTE]But the good news is that the increased the treshold incident rate to 50 (instead of 35) for closing clubs, so only clubs in Dusseldorf closed (Dolce Vita, nobody cares about that). Most other areas are still below 30 anyway now.

They also want to use Hospital numbers instead of only infections, that makes also more sense.

Most RTCs (except Dietenbach) are open now.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2586785]Are you so sure that your trip will take place knowing that delta variant starts to pop up in Europe and the US. The things will not go back to 2019 before many years.[/QUOTE]I am hoping things will still be good in early Nov. If not, everything I booked is refundable so I won't lose anything if I have to cancel.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2587326]I am hoping things will still be good in early Nov. If not, everything I booked is refundable so I won't lose anything if I have to cancel.[/QUOTE]I've got a mid-December trip I'm hoping to pad with Dietzenbach days on both sides. My favorite AO haunt better come back!

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2587543]I've got a mid-December trip I'm hoping to pad with Dietzenbach days on both sides. My favorite AO haunt better come back![/QUOTE]The first half of September for me and I had Dietzenbach planned for the middle of the trip, if it's not open then I may not go to Frankfurt and stick to NRW as I like to start with an RTC and then finish with an FKK.

I believe there are currently closures on a per state type basis due to covid.

I have a trip booked Aug. 29th to Sept 3rd. Not sure whether to do the trip or not, don't want to end up in Bochum for 5 days with all clubs closed.

Plus increased chance of catching delta whilst travelling even though I'm vaccinated.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL] seems closed at the moment, or so there website says. Has anyone any upto date info?

My favourite swingers club P3, which is only 1 km from Arabella is only open at the weekend at the moment.

Steinhaus swingers, 20 km from Bochum seems to be open at the moment.

I don't want to do this trip and have RTC clubs closed. Its in those clubs where I have real proper good sex. Swingers clubs are more for just pervy fun.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2588021]The first half of September for me and I had Dietzenbach planned for the middle of the trip, if it's not open then I may not go to Frankfurt and stick to NRW as I like to start with an RTC and then finish with an FKK.[/QUOTE]For public health reasons, do it the other way.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2594595]I believe there are currently closures on a per state type basis due to covid.

I have a trip booked Aug. 29th to Sept 3rd. Not sure whether to do the trip or not, don't want to end up in Bochum for 5 days with all clubs closed.
[/QUOTE]Clubs in NRW should reopen tomorrow.

Only problem, how many girls will be actually working?

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2594691]Only problem, how many girls will be actually working?[/QUOTE]Many clubs have been closed for a few days up to two weeks, this rule change was anticipated so I doubt that too many girls returned home only to have to restart everything again. Their issue is going to be the regular PCR tests, that's a cost of €80 every other day, if the rules are not changed soon then that will start to cut the number of girls available as they turn to freelancing or go to another state.

Most clubs will (re-) open as of today. Most with GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured, to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so.

Arabella did reopen today. The first day with the new rules was a little chaotic. Only 3 girls present on opening, with another 3 joining a few hours later after they received their negative pcr tests for a total of six girls. Having said that, the new rules have also affected the punter numbers which were also decreased- I would estimate about 8 men in the club on average at a given time. As a disproportionately high ratio of the top end girls showed up today I think everyone could have left satisfied but remains to be seen what the future holds.

Thekefrau was also very strict with the mask wearing at all time except when sitting on the sofa ALONE. If sitting with a girl she insisted that both parties have to be masked. Obviously masks also had to be worn when walking around.

How do I delete my account from this site?

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2595013]Arabella did reopen today. The first day with the new rules was a little chaotic. Only 3 girls present on opening, with another 3 joining a few hours later after they received their negative pcr tests for a total of six girls. Having said that, the new rules have also affected the punter numbers which were also decreased- I would estimate about 8 men in the club on average at a given time. As a disproportionately high ratio of the top end girls showed up today I think everyone could have left satisfied but remains to be seen what the future holds.

Thekefrau was also very strict with the mask wearing at all time except when sitting on the sofa ALONE. If sitting with a girl she insisted that both parties have to be masked. Obviously masks also had to be worn when walking around.[/QUOTE]Many regular visitors are not vaccinated, so PCR tests will be complicated for girls when most are not vaccinated and many regulars. 5 weeks to get pass, or 4 with rare Janssen. Maybe Hessen is a bit different?

Thanks for update.

What about entry, did you show digital covid passport or vaccine card?

How was session with girl? Same as precovid.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2595069]Thanks for update.

What about entry, did you show digital covid passport or vaccine card?

How was session with girl? Same as precovid.[/QUOTE]CDC Vaccine card works for entry. I see most local punters show something on their phone for entry. Sessions are the same as precovid.

Yes, I can also confirm that our CDC vaccine card works without any issues at all the NRW clubs that I have been to without a second question. The sessions with the girls are exactly the same as pre-covid. The masks come off as soon as the door to the room is closed. I will post a longer report when I get back to the US.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2595013]Arabella did reopen today. The first day with the new rules was a little chaotic. Only 3 girls present on opening, with another 3 joining a few hours later after they received their negative pcr tests for a total of six girls. Having said that, the new rules have also affected the punter numbers which were also decreased- I would estimate about 8 men in the club on average at a given time. As a disproportionately high ratio of the top end girls showed up today I think everyone could have left satisfied but remains to be seen what the future holds.

Thekefrau was also very strict with the mask wearing at all time except when sitting on the sofa ALONE. If sitting with a girl she insisted that both parties have to be masked. Obviously masks also had to be worn when walking around.[/QUOTE]Indeed PCR seems to be too complicated. Line ups decreased rapidly since yesterday, and even some clubs closed (like Villa Venus). Interesting to see what happens next and if girls (finally) decide that vaccination is maybe not a bad idea.

I have just returned from a weeklong stay in the NRW. Overall, while some things are a little different, I can say that I have had a blast and had as good of a time as before the whole Covid debacle. It felt really good to be impreganting young Romanian girls after a 1. 5 year absence.

I only made a definitive decision to go 24 hours before departure; while I already had everything booked it was all cancellable and I was concerned that the NRW region is fast heading towards the 50 Covid cases /100 K population, at which level they closed all the clubs the last time. However, I found out that the official decisiosn would be made on Thursday, so I figured I still had at least 4 days in the NRW and if the worst came to worst I would move to Hesse for the remainder of my stay. As we now know, NRW decided to keep the clubs open depsite the rising Covid numbers so it all worked out in the end.

During my time, I visited Arabella, Sauna Grimsberg, Villa Varena and Club La Luna. All these locations follow the current NRW law-to enter you have to present a Covid vaccination certificate, or a recent negative test result (initially antigen test was acceptable, now it has to be a PCR test) or a certificate of having recoveverd from Covid infection. In every club as soon as I entered I conveyed that I am vaccinated and presented our white CDC vaccination card. It was accepted in all clubs without question. In Villa Varena and Sauna Grimsberg I was also asked for my passport to verify that the name on the certificate is indeed me. In all clubs I was also asked to write down my contact information-name, phone number and usually address (I put down the address of my hotel in Germany). While no one checks the info routinely, there has been a prior description on one of the german forums of a visit to a club by the police who ID's all the punters and verified that the contact information noted down was accurate. I believe fines were handed out to those who lied on the contact form.

The line ups were actually not bad. With the new requirement of presenting a PCR test to enter the club (which also applies to the girls), the numbers have taken a hit as the test reportedly costs 80 Euros (and since it has to be repeated every 3 days it adds up quickly), whereas the antigen test was free and as it turns out about 50% of the girls are unvaccinated. I suspect this problem is temporary and is bound to push more girls into vaccination (which I am sure was the intent of the law change in the first place).

Masks must be worn in the club when walking around the club. Not needed when showering, sitting alone on the sofa and of course not in the room. La Luna was most liberal and Arabella was the most strict-there you even had to have the mask on when sitting on the couch with the girl and the Thekefrau would yell out every 20 minutes "Maske!" when she spotted a noncompliant punter or girl.

La Luna has a special place in my heart. It was my first NRW club ever all those years ago. The line up is not very large and it is true that one can find a hotter girl for a lower price in one of the RTC clubs. However, it is never packed with customers and subsequently the girls are more relaxed and not as overfucked as at the other RTC clubs (where I calculated they get fucked about 10 times a day). The La Luna girls do charge slightly more, but are much more likley to give a very passionatte session. The line up consisted of 5 girls when I was there. Tanya remains the star of that club in my opinion.

Sauna Grimsberg usually has a collection of girls who are really not my type, but almost always there will be 1 or 2 who I will find attractive and this was once again the case for me this week. I found Cosmina cute and just how I like them. There were a total of about 7-8 girls there.

Villa Varena was a letdown, but apparently it was an off day for them and usually the lineup is much more extensive. There were a total of only 4 Villa Varena girls, none of which were my type, However what saved the day is that they had one girl (Patricia) from Arabella moonlighting at Villa Varena that day, and she was more than worth the trip to Dortmund. She is part of what I call the "Teeny Brigade" at Arabella-very young, slim, perky breasts like only such a young age can provide, no baby. She has a pretty face, good English, long hair, cute, not very tall. Of course there was a significant wait for her (I was in no hurry that day anyway) which was made worse by the fact that none of her rooms were less than 1 hour long. This puzzled me and I entered determined to have her first 30 minute room of the day. I failed miserably. She is excellent at extracting more money out of punters for longer sessions, but she does it in a very nice and nonpushy way. Basically her company is so pleasant that it actually makes one want to extend to a longer sessions and I admit I also succumbed to a 1 hour session with her. I have no regrets whatsoever.

Arabella had a lineup of 7 girls, but the quality was excellent. 3 of those girls were the remaining members of the Teeny Brigade-Alexia (taller, long blonde hair, the most perfect, gravity defying be or see cups (I forgot to bring my tape measure) and a very fit body), Julia (shorter, also very slim, brown long hair with highlights) and Alessia (first day at Arabella, was in another clubs for 3 weeks prior, she still has that incredible sweetness that only new girls have-it goes away very quickly). All the girls of the Teeny Brigade are 20-21 years old and are very popular-they spend very little time on the couches. I would say that at that point Arabella has the highest qualilty line up that it has ever had. Unfortunately, I overheard that at least 2 of the 4 girls are going on vacation for 2 weeks, but hopefully will return.

The one thing that is new is that at every RTC club there is a notice posted that the girls do not wish to be discussed on Internet forums. Thus, since I may not be anonymous here due to recent visit (and I dod not seen any other American guys at the clubs) and the fact thet I have left my contact information at the clubs with my name and number, I am not going to write detailed performance reports.

On non-girl rekated topics, maybe I was just unlucky, but I have had my ticket checked on the NRW trains much more frequently than in the past. The mask compliance on trains and trams is 99%. They have also removed all the Sparkasse ATM machines at Dusseldorf airport where I ausually get my money on arrival and replaced them with those rip off EuroNet ATM machines, so now you have to wait until you get into town to visit a real bank with a non-ripoff ATM.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.

After your 4 clubs where guys only go to fuck AO girls, at least You don t need to worry about covid or variants which are only small risk compare to these places.

So the Teeny Brigade at Arabella is doing the AO for 50 euros? And I thought that all of these AO girls were going to be 40 plus? But according to your report the young women are mainly at Arabella?

And is it 30 euros for entry?

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2595978]I have just returned from a weeklong stay in the NRW. Overall, while some things are a little different, I can say that I have had a blast and had as good of a time as before the whole Covid debacle. It felt really good to be impreganting young Romanian girls after a 1. 5 year absence.

I only made a definitive decision to go 24 hours before departure; while I already had everything booked it was all cancellable and I was concerned that the NRW region is fast heading towards the 50 Covid cases /100 K population, at which level they closed all the clubs the last time. However, I found out that the official decisiosn would be made on Thursday, so I figured I still had at least 4 days in the NRW and if the worst came to worst I would move to Hesse for the remainder of my stay. As we now know, NRW decided to keep the clubs open depsite the rising Covid numbers so it all worked out in the end.

During my time, I visited Arabella, Sauna Grimsberg, Villa Varena and Club La Luna. All these locations follow the current NRW law-to enter you have to present a Covid vaccination certificate, or a recent negative test result (initially antigen test was acceptable, now it has to be a PCR test) or a certificate of having recoveverd from Covid infection. In every club as soon as I entered I conveyed that I am vaccinated and presented our white CDC vaccination card. It was accepted in all clubs without question. In Villa Varena and Sauna Grimsberg I was also asked for my passport to verify that the name on the certificate is indeed me. In all clubs I was also asked to write down my contact information-name, phone number and usually address (I put down the address of my hotel in Germany). While no one checks the info routinely, there has been a prior description on one of the german forums of a visit to a club by the police who ID's all the punters and verified that the contact information noted down was accurate. I believe fines were handed out to those who lied on the contact form..[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping go Sunday 29th. Where did you stay over there?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2596111]So the Teeny Brigade at Arabella is doing the AO for 50 euros? And I thought that all of these AO girls were going to be 40 plus? But according to your report the young women are mainly at Arabella?

And is it 30 euros for entry?[/QUOTE]Usually basic is for 30 in RTC, for rabbits. Too expensive for me when I prefer to pay for beauties.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2596158]I'm hoping go Sunday 29th. Where did you stay over there?[/QUOTE]I usually split my stay. First a day or two at Ibis in the Duisburg train station building (from where I can access La Luna and Villa Venus) and then the reminder in Hotel Mercure in Bochum which I really like and is also across the street from the Bochum train station (from where I can access Arabella, Grimberg and Villa Varena).

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2596111]So the Teeny Brigade at Arabella is doing the AO for 50 euros? And I thought that all of these AO girls were going to be 40 plus? But according to your report the young women are mainly at Arabella?

And is it 30 euros for entry?[/QUOTE]The entry fee at Arabella is EUR30 and the fee to the girl is EUR40 for 30 minutes.

Yes, the four young pretty ones are all at Arabella.

Dr Poon, I have also sent you a PM.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2596111]So the Teeny Brigade at Arabella is doing the AO for 50 euros? And I thought that all of these AO girls were going to be 40 plus? But according to your report the young women are mainly at Arabella?

And is it 30 euros for entry?[/QUOTE]As I understood Julia and Alessia don't make AO at all. Not a reason to avoid if they are good in their other offering of course.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2596561]As I understood Julia and Alessia don't make AO at all. Not a reason to avoid if they are good in their other offering of course.[/QUOTE]What can be interest to go to low level RTC, to pay entry 30 with no foods, bad drinks, for very average looks not providing AO? When Gold entry is 25, sometimes foods are not bad, you can have breakfast, lunch, diner, my hot chocolate and can sometimes find a pretty girl for 40/30 , same rate than in RTC which only worth for AO sex with girls fucked by more than 10 guys a day.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2596476]I usually split my stay. First a day or two at Ibis in the Duisburg train station building (from where I can access La Luna and Villa Venus) and then the reminder in Hotel Mercure in Bochum which I really like and is also across the street from the Bochum train station (from where I can access Arabella, Grimberg and Villa Varena).[/QUOTE]I did almost the same last year. The Ibis hotel is very convenient as the tram 903 (followed by bus 910) to get to Villa Venus is just around the corner to the right as I exited Ibis. Took only about 30 minutes to get there with the cheap tram / bus ticket.

During my stay at Bochum, I also ended up at Freude every evening after starting off with 1-2 of the other clubs as these clubs had few doable girls, while Freude had a sufficient selection in the evenings, and better ambiance. But I gather Freude is gone. What a pity!

Grimberg was not too bad yesterday, there were only five girls working but I had my fun.

Monday Report - 30/8.

Great day in FKK Arabella so far, only 7 women and its been busy enough with customers. So was tricky getting a hoor at times.

30 euro entry. Sessions are.

20 minutes - 30.

30 minutes - 40.

40 minutes - 50.

60 minutes - 80.

Had to show the covid passport on my phone on the way in. The lady had a good read thru it but didn't scan it or anything.

Then your supposed to wear your mask when walking around or seated. Or when sitting with the girls. Obviously not in the room.

No food or snacks on offer due to the Covid situation. But you can bring your own or they order a takeaway for you. I brought some protein bars etc.

Met up with a cool American guy who almost lives here and spends alot of time in the clubs. He was with his local mate, also a cool guy.

Sex wise I got lucky and started off with a very pretty young Romanian girl who looked very cute with a flower in her hair. Small, slim but with biggish tits. Patricia. She loved being licked, we did a long 69, moved into miss with deep kissing and I finished on tits. Best session I've had in ages 9/10.40 minutes and cost 50 euro. Worth every cent.

Spent a couple of hours hanging with the guys. Then went for a sess with small tanned brunette Maria. It was OK but a bit mechanical, she just went thru the motions and didn't get me going really. I ended it before the 20 min mark and paid her 30. Although I might try her again sometime.

Relaxed for another while and had a great repeat with young 21 yearold Patricia. Again coming on her tits plus I had maximum stiffness. 40 minutes and 50 euro. She loved the 👅 and the 💋.

Thursday 2/9.

10 women there today.

I had -.

Sissy, early 20's, Blonde Bulgarian plumper. Very pretty. New to the game and amateur but willing in the room. Very unrestrictive. Really good session. CIP.

Mickey or Vicky.

Rom, 40 ish. Plump Blonde, Had her before pre covid. Very good service, and very good session. Sprayed her titten.

Alex. Skinny young Rom Blonde, early 20's. Very willing but I should have waited another hour. Only had a semi and didn't cum. Oh well.

Seems to be the best of RTC Clubs at the moment.

Today's lineup included Sabrina(still amazing body for early 40s), Melissa (old bulg) Cindy, Carmen (now blonde)
Maria, Alex, Angie, sissy, Patricia, also older lady with ugly face but massive tits..

Thanks Wanking. That's how to do a post. I'd put it in RoD except I always mess up the links.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2600306]Thanks Wanking. That's how to do a post. I'd put it in RoD except I always mess up the links.[/QUOTE]I had a bash at it for you. Happy to see my old mate Wanking lionised in the RoD thread.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2600156]Monday Report - 30/8.

Great day in FKK Arabella so far, only 7 women and its been busy enough with customers. So was tricky getting a hoor at times.

30 euro entry. Sessions are.

20 minutes - 30.

30 minutes - 40.

40 minutes - 50.

60 minutes - 80.

Had to show the covid passport on my phone on the way in. The lady had a good read thru it but didn't scan it or anything.

Then your supposed to wear your mask when walking around or seated. Or when sitting with the girls. Obviously not in the room..[/QUOTE]Paying to fuck a 40 year old woman, I think it is a joke or I am very sad for you.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2600338]Paying to fuck a 40 year old woman, I think it is a joke or I am very sad for you.[/QUOTE]Really? That's all you got from Wanking's awesome trip to Arabella? Really bruh?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2600338]Paying to fuck a 40 year old woman, I think it is a joke or I am very sad for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your support and I'm happy your sad. I actually paid 2 of them who were around 40 😂

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2600338]Paying to fuck a 40 year old woman, I think it is a joke or I am very sad for you.[/QUOTE]Had few late 30's great girls: such charm Latvian Lena at PSR, another really good MILF at PSR, exceptional fire in bed multi orgasmic Latvian Marina at Sharks.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2600338]Paying to fuck a 40 year old woman, I think it is a joke or I am very sad for you.[/QUOTE]When are you going to stop trolling with all these useless posts that don't bring any useful contributions to the forum? Clown!
Wanking is a respected member of this forum with many reports to his credit. You have written zero reports, only polemics and offenses against other users. Stop it and get a life.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2600739]When are you going to stop trolling with all these useless posts that don't bring any useful contributions to the forum? Clown!
Wanking is a respected member of this forum with many reports to his credit. You have written zero reports, only polemics and offenses against other users. Stop it and get a life.[/QUOTE]Well said brother 👍.

There are guys who are insecure because they pay for sex. This ego-hurt insecurity generates compensating behavior. They feel compelled to make a big show of how *their* prostitution is superior to everyone else's.

It's transparent and boring.

Sometimes in order to meet someone who has been going to FKK as long as me, I go to some places off my normal beat. So I ended up in Arabella with Vito, a Japanese guy, an Indonesian and a Black Englishman (I mention ethnicity etc to show that respectable well dressed guys of all ethnicities are welcome in the club). I enjoyed their experience and information, including hearing details of forum skullduggery.

I won't give LU or club details as Wanking got there before me. There are some nice looking girls but the LU wouldn't satisfy a Sharks aficionado.

I see some members keep asking; why go to a red carpet club? The answer is simple. The atmosphere is friendly and welcoming. The girls welcome the guests in, and wave them out, and will help sort out any difficulties. They will also have some fun, for example shouting out to the whole club details of what a respected guest did in the room (they know when the guest will be happy with this). To my mind, the rtc clubs retain this element which has largely gone from the more well respected big clubs.

Other amusements in these clubs include seeing a poster who repeatedly denigrates these clubs in fact creeping around them, stalking girls. What they do is fine by me, but it makes an amusing juxtaposition.

Heard about German Samy, quite rare in AO RTC, but such a small misery, when difficult for me to feel desire at Sharks where I need a milky skin, full natural, very fresh, nearly 180 supermodel trying her best to please me and Christmas when I find a attractive look now at Globe. Found 2 attractive looks at Sixsens for first time, 1 not kissing so we decided to stay good friends and one exceptional GFE. Melina is pretty at Finca but not kissing so no room.

For the last 11 years, have traveled from Asia a few times a year to stay in cities like:

Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Dortmund, Essen, Duisburg. Due to their relative closeness to the AO clubs.

My fave clubs have always been (Dietzenbach, VV, Grimberg, Luna, Arabella and a few others. Also Oase and Sharks (just to relax and enjoy the views. Since covered).

I often end up staying in the bare-bones IBIS or whatever is actually inside / close to the HBF, cause I didn't really care about much other than access to the clubs and RLDs.

However, early next year traveling to Germany (for work. Um) with my long term Thai GF. Looking for a new city that's more quaint than Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (she's been to both). I'm enjoy photography, walking about, visiting pubs and bars in the evening.

Looking at Munster, Xantan, Aachen or Cologne. Or someplace within an hour or so train ride to the clubs. Bonus points if there's any shopping places for her, or cities she can walk around.

Love cities like Baden-Baden, and smaller towns along the Rhine.

Can't really find much info on these cities having AO clubs. Assume they don't? However they are in NRW. So maybe?

Any suggestions for a city listed above (or another) that's close to the mongering destinations but a little more quaint than the big cities?

Appreciate it.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2618978]For the last 11 years, have traveled from Asia a few times a year to stay in cities like:

Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Dortmund, Essen, Duisburg. Due to their relative closeness to the AO clubs.

My fave clubs have always been (Dietzenbach, VV, Grimberg, Luna, Arabella and a few others. Also Oase and Sharks (just to relax and enjoy the views. Since covered).

I often end up staying in the bare-bones IBIS or whatever is actually inside / close to the HBF, cause I didn't really care about much other than access to the clubs and RLDs.

However, early next year traveling to Germany (for work. Um) with my long term Thai GF. Looking for a new city that's more quaint than Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (she's been to both). I'm enjoy photography, walking about, visiting pubs and bars in the evening.

Looking at Munster, Xantan, Aachen or Cologne. Or someplace within an hour or so train ride to the clubs. Bonus points if there's any shopping places for her, or cities she can walk around..[/QUOTE]Koln is interesting city. AO Luderlounge in suburb Leverkusen. Bernds where can AO is not far.

Just found out I have a very short trip to the NRW this Sunday / Monday and wanted to make the most of it. From the recent informative posts from Wanking and Optimist, it sounds like Arabella is the place to go right now. The other place I would like to visit is Bernds which is not open on Sundays. So thinking Arabella on Sunday and Bernd's on Monday. Curious is Arabella is still recommended for a Sunday night visit around 5 pm? (Also curious of people's thoughts on whether Bernd's is worth going to in the early afternoon of a Monday? Anyone here with an opinion would be great, but I'll also throw that question in the Bernd's thread). Thank you all for the great info here. I hope to be able to add to it after my visit.

Take care all!

[QUOTE=Johncr04;2622576]Just found out I have a very short trip to the NRW this Sunday / Monday and wanted to make the most of it. From the recent informative posts from Wanking and Optimist, it sounds like Arabella is the place to go right now. The other place I would like to visit is Bernds which is not open on Sundays. So thinking Arabella on Sunday and Bernd's on Monday. Curious is Arabella is still recommended for a Sunday night visit around 5 pm? (Also curious of people's thoughts on whether Bernd's is worth going to in the early afternoon of a Monday? Anyone here with an opinion would be great, but I'll also throw that question in the Bernd's thread). Thank you all for the great info here. I hope to be able to add to it after my visit.

Take care all![/QUOTE]RTC clubs are not like the FKK's and each day seems to have a good lineup although when I was there at the start of September the number of girls was low, I hope it's better now. Arabella and Dietzenbach were the best places in terms of the number of girls. Bernds will be quiet on a Monday but there will be girls that are there every day.

FKK Luderland Trip.

Sunday -6-8 pm. First time for me. Took a S6 train (4€) to Leverkusen-Mitte from Koln and a cab from there (15€). The entry gate still said "Globe Sauna. " The main, living room" floor seemed small, like someone's large home but all the rooms had couches and porn on the TVs. 30€ Checked in they gave keys and three towels (no robe). The den mother didn't speak any English but I understood directions to shower / lockers and wallet box. Showered and walked out after meeting a helpful fellow monger there. There is a whole big space behind the showers that more than double the size of the cozy "living rooms". But no one was back there. When you step into the main room, it's like arriving into a party late and there was an awkward break in the conversation and everyone looked at you. 6-8 ladies and 3-5 guys. You have to approach them. After coming from FKK Sharks the night before I had to adjust my eyes to the LU of this club. I spotted a small blonde that may have passed a youthful. "Corinne" or something spoke almost no English so could not make conversation. Took her upstairs for some fun. Wasn't too much fun. In 10 min she rode me, but not all the way in, and was vocal enough to convince me she had climaxed, reach for the paper towels and handed it to me. I said I didn't finish. I tried MISH and Doggie but just bottoming out. Seems I just didn't fit and she looked in pain if I tried to get the whole sausage in. BTW no food here and I was hungry. Anyway I called it quits and paid her 30€ for maybe 20 min. Showered and explored the club some more. But there is really nothing to do here beyond the sauna. Later tried Anita, with curvy natural body. All RO here apparently. Finished with her. She was more fun and had slightly better English. I only had two 20€ bills handy so she was happy with the 40€. In any case, not really my type of place as there is absolutely nothing to do besides fuck. And you may find one or two in this LU. Uncomfortably I saw Anita sit down next to my monger friend right after she finished with me and they went upstairs without showering. Maybe there's a shower upstairs for her? God I hope so. Stepped outside and called a cab to the train station so I can get some food. The neighborhood is pitch black residential with no street lights. Won't be going back.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2629475]FKK Luderland Trip.

Sunday -6-8 pm. First time for me. Took a S6 train (4) to Leverkusen-Mitte from Koln and a cab from there (15). The entry gate still said "Globe Sauna. " The main, living room" floor seemed small, like someone's large home but all the rooms had couches and porn on the TVs. 30 Checked in they gave keys and three towels (no robe). The den mother didn't speak any English but I understood directions to shower / lockers and wallet box. Showered and walked out after meeting a helpful fellow monger there. There is a whole big space behind the showers that more than double the size of the cozy "living rooms". But no one was back there. When you step into the main room, it's like arriving into a party late and there was an awkward break in the conversation and everyone looked at you. 6-8 ladies and 3-5 guys. You have to approach them. After coming from FKK Sharks the night before I had to adjust my eyes to the LU of this club. I spotted a small blonde that may have passed a youthful. "Corinne" or something spoke almost no English so could not make conversation. Took her upstairs for some fun. Wasn't too much fun. In 10 min she rode me, but not all the way in, and was vocal enough to convince me she had climaxed, reach for the paper towels and handed it to me. I said I didn't finish. I tried MISH and Doggie but just bottoming out. Seems I just didn't fit and she looked in pain if I tried to get the whole sausage in. BTW no food here and I was hungry. Anyway I called it quits and paid her 30 for maybe 20 min. Showered and explored the club some more. But there is really nothing to do here beyond the sauna. Later tried Anita, with curvy natural body. All RO here apparently. Finished with her. She was more fun and had slightly better English. I only had two 20 bills handy so she was happy with the 40. In any case, not really my type of place as there is absolutely nothing to do besides fuck. And you may find one or two in this LU. Uncomfortably I saw Anita sit down next to my monger friend right after she finished with me and they went upstairs without showering. Maybe there's a shower upstairs for her? God I hope so. Stepped outside and called a cab to the train station so I can get some food. The neighborhood is pitch black residential with no street lights. Won't be going back.[/QUOTE]

Just to avoid other members being misled

The neighbourhood is totally not residential. Lots of commercial premises, and lots of goods vehicles around -even from a taxi this would be obvious. Nearest houses are some distance away. I'm not sure how anyone could think it was residential.

6 to 8 girls seems to be an unusual count at the moment. 6 to 8 is the figure reported elsewhere in recent time, but currently is higher. And a good third of the girls are non-romanian

Shame you didn't manage to find any of the well known good service good looking girls.

Better luck next time.

AO clubs I have visited in the past include CLL, Dietz, and the old F39. On this trip to Germany, after a horrid 2 nights at Dietz, I decided to stop by VV for the first time.

I wish I had discovered this place a long time ago. The only downside is that it is difficult to access without a car. However, the girls are very civil and friendly, and genuinely nice. For example, it was common to see them offer to go and get coffee or drink and bring it back to the client on the sofa. You will often see heavy kissing and groping sessions on the sofas. As a nice touch, two of them even helped me sort out a taxi ride home and made the call for me. The music is more mainstream and not the blaring gypsy and rap music you would be subjected to at Dietz. The clients seem relaxed and cheerful.

These are all things that make it an enjoyable place to hang out for an afternoon, in my opinion. Not to mention 30 Euros for a good AO session is a real bargain. I love this place. Anytime I brought up the subject of condoms, the girls would look at me like I was absolutely crazy. So I guess Catholic service is the default.

I counted 8 girls, of which 3 were noticeably overweight. Most of the rest were pretty good looking. I sessioned the 39 year old hardbody Larissa, and gave her a big creampie. After that I spent some private time with the beautiful Dana and gave her the same! Then, I was very interested to session with Alexandria, the dark skinned beauty with an hourglass figure. But by then, she was too busy and I had to leave. Hopefully she will be there for my next trip! I am curious if anyone knows why she is so much darker than all the other Romanians, is she part black?

[QUOTE=MarineOne;2631730]I counted 8 girls, of which 3 were noticeably overweight. Most of the rest were pretty good looking.[/QUOTE]That's good to hear, on my trip at the start of September it was very poor, with about four girls, none of whom I would touch. Although it must be pointed out that this was just after the clubs were allowed to reopen and the only girls available had probably stayed in Germany and gotten vaccinated.

Here are a few pics I have as a reminder of my fun night at this AO club.

The pic of Larissa is courtesy of Freiercafe, she is shown in the same position as when I creampied her.

Hi.

I saw that it is not enough to be vaccinated to visit the clubs in NRW. You must also present a newly taken rapidtest (antigen). The rapidtest is only valid for 24 hours! That means that if you have plans to visit different clubs for several days in a row, you must test yourself every day! Does anyone know if any of the clubs offer on-site testing as FKK Dietzenbach does? If not, Can someone recommend a place in Bochum where you as a tourist can test yourself and also get a certificate.

BL.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2629475]FKK Luderland Trip.

Sunday -6-8 pm. First time for me. Took a S6 train (4) to Leverkusen-Mitte from Koln and a cab from there (15). …
[/QUOTE]Was there BBBJ in the public rooms? BBFS in the room? That was a given pre-COVID.

[QUOTE=ButtLover;2636697]Hi.

I saw that it is not enough to be vaccinated to visit the clubs in NRW. You must also present a newly taken rapidtest (antigen). The rapidtest is only valid for 24 hours! That means that if you have plans to visit different clubs for several days in a row, you must test yourself every day! Does anyone know if any of the clubs offer on-site testing as FKK Dietzenbach does? If not, Can someone recommend a place in Bochum where you as a tourist can test yourself and also get a certificate.

BL.[/QUOTE]Yep, already since 10 days, see other thread about this. Many places to test in every village. Some clubs have it outside, but RTCs not afaik.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2636773]Yep, already since 10 days, see other thread about this. Many places to test in every village. Some clubs have it outside, but RTCs not afaik.[/QUOTE]Hi.

At the clubs in Munster and Dortmund the tests can not be older then 6 hours!

[URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/[/URL]

BL.

Basically you have to first make a stop at a schnelltest location if the club doesn't do it.

[QUOTE=ButtLover;2637223]Hi.

At the clubs in Munster and Dortmund the tests can not be older then 6 hours!

[URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

It looked like a pain in the ass at first but there are really lots of free schnelltest locations all around nrw. Just search for schnelltest 'name of the town' on Google or Google maps and you'll find. If you register on internet, it's free and you get the results 20 min after in your mailbox.

Maybe a dumb question. But what does the acronym NRW AO mean? I looked in the website abbreviations guide as well as Google searching. No luck.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2656352]Maybe a dumb question. But what does the acronym NRW AO mean? I looked in the website abbreviations guide as well as Google searching. No luck.[/QUOTE]NRW is lander. Despite new German law, still AO clubs with sex without condom.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2656352]Maybe a dumb question. But what does the acronym NRW AO mean? I looked in the website abbreviations guide as well as Google searching. No luck.[/QUOTE]AO is German - "Alles Ohne" or no condom sex.

NRW is the German State of North Rhine Westfalia.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2656535]AO is German - "Alles Ohne" or no condom sex.

NRW is the German State of North Rhine Westfalia.[/QUOTE]This is really common with girls in Medellin, but most of those girls are 18/19. Girls, that are in these AO locations that are higher mileage, do they need to have STD tests? Love to go BB, but would like to have a least a little level of assurance from certain points in time from tests.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2656697]This is really common with girls in Medellin, but most of those girls are 18/19. Girls, that are in these AO locations that are higher mileage, do they need to have STD tests? Love to go BB, but would like to have a least a little level of assurance from certain points in time from tests.[/QUOTE]I did get caught out once when all the girls disappeared in one club. They were having medical checks but I don't know how often it happens.

Given absence of any first hand information on this thread over the last couple of months, I thought I would post a quick update on how things are at the RTC club at the peak of the cvurrent Omicron wave with Germany for the first time recording over 200,000 new cases in one day this week.

I have struggled with making the decision to go to Germany this week and did not make the call until 2 weeks ago. The trigger was NRW dropping the requirement for having had a negative antigen test within the previous 24 hours of entering the club (which would have meant getting tested every day for the duration of the stay-this was more than I was willing to do). On January 13th NRW wisely dropped that requirement and now the requirement is a vaccination certificate showing that one has received 3 doses (not 2). This made things much easier, since I already have that in my possesion. The other concern was ending up with a positive Covid test which would have resulted me getting stuck in Germany for 2 weeks before being able to fly back to the US, which given my work commitments would have not been possible. I did employ a number of measures to decrease that risk to minimum, one of which was to abandon my usual strategy to bunny-hopping between the clubs and have just visited 2 clubs on this trip and ended up repeating with my favorite girls from previous trips, so have only had sex with 3 girls total this time. In the end, it still beats spending a week at home jerking off in front of the cimputer and I am glad that I made the journey.

I visited Grimsberg in Gelsenkirchen and Luderland in Leverkusen. I skipped La Luna this time as their roster is down to just two girls. There were 7 girls in Grimsberg and 8 in Luderland and I felt the standards were very comparable to pre-Covid times. I used to favor Arabella over Grimsberg in the past but lately the service standard from the more attractive girls at Arabella has been poor in my experience while it remains good at Grimsberg.

If anyone thinks that the clubs are deserted because of the Covid (and that included me) they would be very disappointed. The customer foot traffic is normal and even on weekdays there is often a wait for the more popular girls. Weekend was very busy, as has also been the case in the past. The vaccination certificate was always carefully checked on entry by the Thekefrau every single time. The previously omnipresent Kondompflicht (condom-duty requirement) signs have been replaced by even more omnipresent Maskepflicht (mask duty) signs. Other than that, things are the same as they have always been.

Most men wear a mask while walking around the club, but take it off on the couch; the girls thankfully are mask-free. The fun in the room is the same as always and Covid has not changed ANYTHING in that regard (that should answer most of the questions that previous visitors might have).

For the guys who use public transport in NRW-what I had already noticed on my previous visit but was again the case on this trip-the checking of tickets on trains and trams is much more frequent than it used to be in the pre-Covid era. Every day I had my ticket checked somewhere.

Both the hotels and restaurants also ask for the Covid vaccination certificate showing 3 received doses on entry-I have not encounted one that did not. Bottom line is if you can prove 3 Covid vaccine shots life goes on normally in NRW.

If anyone has any specific question, feel free to ask and I will attempt to answer as best as I can.

Maybe crowd in RTC, but not at Samya, Bab Elsdorf on 15th birthday and not full at Gold on this Saturday despite entry 25 and prettier girls for 40/30. Slow business for many girls.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2657125]Given absence of any first hand information on this thread over the last couple of months, I thought I would post a quick update on how things are at the RTC club at the peak of the cvurrent Omicron wave with Germany for the first time recording over 200,000 new cases in one day this week.

I have struggled with making the decision to go to Germany this week and did not make the call until 2 weeks ago. The trigger was NRW dropping the requirement for having had a negative antigen test within the previous 24 hours of entering the club (which would have meant getting tested every day for the duration of the stay-this was more than I was willing to do). On January 13th NRW wisely dropped that requirement and now the requirement is a vaccination certificate showing that one has received 3 doses (not 2). This made things much easier, since I already have that in my possesion. The other concern was ending up with a positive Covid test which would have resulted me getting stuck in Germany for 2 weeks before being able to fly back to the US, which given my work commitments would have not been possible. I did employ a number of measures to decrease that risk to minimum, one of which was to abandon my usual strategy to bunny-hopping between the clubs and have just visited 2 clubs on this trip and ended up repeating with my favorite girls from previous trips, so have only had sex with 3 girls total this time. In the end, it still beats spending a week at home jerking off in front of the cimputer and I am glad that I made the journey..[/QUOTE]Hi,

Thank you for your opinion.

What would be your rank of these clubs as of today? Which ones to favor? I am considering visiting one but I really don't know which club to start with.

[QUOTE=Pixxji;2657708]Hi,

Thank you for your opinion.

What would be your rank of these clubs as of today? Which ones to favor? I am considering visiting one but I really don't know which club to start with.[/QUOTE]Given that the line ups change frequently and girls move between the clubs, the odds are that by the time you get here your experience may be very different. In adition we have different priorities and depending on what they are we would rank the clubs differently. I would recommend that you do what I usually do which is to try to visit most of the clubs over the first 3 days and then you can return later that week to the ones you liked the most.

.. for your informative report.

I'm considering going to the NRW next week, but the covid confusion situation is putting me off, plus many of the swingers clubs in the area remain closed. I usually do a day in an FKK followed by day in a swingers kind of thing.

I definitely don't want to end in quarantine in Hoormany for 2 weeks if I somehow end up positive.

Anyway ill keep thinking about going 🤔.

Does having the covid cert showing 3 jabs currently suffice going into clubs, hotels, restaurants etc in NRW?

Or has the situation changed since Sneradog was there end of January. Rules seem to change all the time in hoormany at the moment.

BTW Sneradog have you remained covid free since your visit to hoormany?

What about us folks who got the J&J + a booster. That is only 2 jabs total. Do you know how they are handling that?

[QUOTE=Wanking;2660971]Does having the covid cert showing 3 jabs currently suffice going into clubs, hotels, restaurants etc in NRW?

Or has the situation changed since Sneradog was there end of January. Rules seem to change all the time in hoormany at the moment.

BTW Sneradog have you remained covid free since your visit to hoormany?[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind words.

Yes, I have remained Covid-free.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2660987]

Yes, I have remained Covid-free.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reports! I hope to be back in DE after a 2 year break in late April.

What was the pricing like at the door and with the (AO) girls in the room?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2656535]AO is German - "Alles Ohne" or no condom sex….[/QUOTE]"Everything without".

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2656697]This is really common with girls in Medellin, but most of those girls are 18/19. Girls, that are in these AO locations that are higher mileage, do they need to have STD tests? Love to go BB, but would like to have a least a little level of assurance from certain points in time from tests.[/QUOTE]FWIW I've done AO in Germany a few hundred times and never even caught a cold.

By Medellin do you mean in Columbia? Do they have clubs similar to FKKs in format? Is it safe?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2660973]What about us folks who got the J&J + a booster. That is only 2 jabs total. Do you know how they are handling that?[/QUOTE]J&J plus booster now counts as "fully vaxxed" but not boosted, so you will need a daily negative test at clubs and restaurants.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2661513]FWIW I've done AO in Germany a few hundred times and never even caught a cold.

By Medellin do you mean in Columbia? Do they have clubs similar to FKKs in format? Is it safe?[/QUOTE]Medellin is in no way like the FKKs; There are clubs of course, and prostitution is legal, but the scene is very different. Facebook is usually king down there and prostitution is a "way of life" for 50% or more women. I use Facebook primarily and usually go for girls still in and right out of high school 18/19. For Colombians, being feminine and sexy women is more important than anything as it's ingrained culturally. You will see girls who will have their nails done 100% of the time but can't pay rent, or use money for plastic surgery or liposuction at 19 or 20. Threesomes to those girls are as normal as Mcdonald's is to Americans. I have had 200+ threesomes, foursomes, etc down there and it's never a taboo thing. I have had no-condom sex with probably 200+ girls in Colombia and never caught anything. But I have a friend here on the board who is super careful and uses condoms often caught herpes so buyer beware. (I think he got it from that Mexican girl he was with for a while, but who knows).

That being said, if you like young girls with black hair and cinnamon skin, Colombia is KING. I pay higher than most guys when I go down there, and usually end up paying 300 COP for sex with 2 girls, for a 6+ hour timeframe, no condom, CIP. Another 300 COP for the drugs + the room service too, so 600 COP in total for a party in the room. 600 mil COP is roughly 140 USD.

This is why I have never visited the FKKs before, and have made 40+ trips to Colombia. That being said, I need my fill of tall skinny white girls and eastern Europeans so I have a trip planned in April.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2661513]FWIW I've done AO in Germany a few hundred times and never even caught a cold.[/QUOTE]Many STDs are asymptomatic. Only a recent STD test can confirm whether you're truly clean. Not even correct condom use is 100% effective for everything.

As a monger, there are levels of risk, but nothing is 100% safe.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2661499]Thanks for the reports! I hope to be back in DE after a 2 year break in late April.

What was the pricing like at the door and with the (AO) girls in the room?[/QUOTE]No changes in pricing from the pre-Covid era. Entry is still 30 Euros. The girls charge 30 Euros for 20 minutes, 40 Euros for 30 minutes and I think it is 50 Euros for 40 minutes. The only exception is Luderland which has its own pricing-if I recall correctly it was 30 Euros for 25 minutes.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2661761]No changes in pricing from the pre-Covid era. Entry is still 30 Euros. The girls charge 30 Euros for 20 minutes, 40 Euros for 30 minutes and I think it is 50 Euros for 40 minutes. The only exception is Luderland which has its own pricing-if I recall correctly it was 30 Euros for 25 minutes.[/QUOTE]Thanks! It's been long enough that I wasn't sure I remembered the prices correctly. Sad but true.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2661619]Medellin is in no way like the FKKs...[/QUOTE]Thanks, it sounds great! The reason I asked so oddly was I thought maybe there was now a German club named Medellin. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2661683]Many STDs are asymptomatic. Only a recent STD test can confirm whether you're truly clean. Not even correct condom use is 100% effective for everything.

As a monger, there are levels of risk, but nothing is 100% safe.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, I know that, and everyone should. But it's also true that humans have poor assessment capabilities when it comes to quantifying risk, especially in the case of low probability high cost situations. It would be impossible to live taking only zero-risk decisions.

Years ago folks worried much more about AIDS and AO. Then we came to find out female to male transmission was exceedingly rare.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2662591]Yes, of course, I know that, and everyone should. But it's also true that humans have poor assessment capabilities when it comes to quantifying risk, especially in the case of low probability high cost situations. It would be impossible to live taking only zero-risk decisions.

Years ago folks worried much more about AIDS and AO. Then we came to find out female to male transmission was exceedingly rare.[/QUOTE]I still worry much more than about covid and twins. Must be a reason to be forbidden by new law, even a joke law except for registration.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2662591]Yes, of course, I know that, and everyone should. But it's also true that humans have poor assessment capabilities when it comes to quantifying risk, especially in the case of low probability high cost situations. It would be impossible to live taking only zero-risk decisions.

Years ago folks worried much more about AIDS and AO. Then we came to find out female to male transmission was exceedingly rare.[/QUOTE]Quantifying risks or being worried over AIDs is irrelevant.

You made an incorrect claim of being clean after AO many women because you didn't get sick. A claim that only recent STD results can make because STDs can be asymptomatic.

I don't care what risks you take with your penis, but don't claim you're clean after barebacking sex workers just because you don't have symptoms. Thats not the way all STDs work.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2662614]Quantifying risks or being worried over AIDs is irrelevant.

You made an incorrect claim of being clean after AO many women because you didn't get sick. A claim that only recent STD results can make because STDs can be asymptomatic.

I don't care what risks you take with your penis, but don't claim you're clean after barebacking sex workers just because you don't have symptoms. Thats not the way all STDs work.[/QUOTE]Not that it's any of your fucking business, but I've been tested.

But my personal experience is just "friendly discussion" on a wh0 reboard. Of no statistical significance. You shouldn't pretend it's relevant at all. One can look up relevant statistics, but even then the average person has trouble getting an intuitive grasp of what a. 01% transmission rate means in terms of their lived life.

One thing is for sure. If you refuse to take any nonzero risk, life becomes impossible. But humans in general are pretty bad at assessing low probability, high cost threats.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2657125]Given absence of any first hand information on this thread over the last couple of months, I thought I would post a quick update on how things are at the RTC club at the peak of the cvurrent Omicron wave with Germany for the first time recording over 200,000 new cases in one day this week.

I have struggled with making the decision to go to Germany this week and did not make the call until 2 weeks ago. The trigger was NRW dropping the requirement for having had a negative antigen test within the previous 24 hours of entering the club (which would have meant getting tested every day for the duration of the stay-this was more than I was willing to do). On January 13th NRW wisely dropped that requirement and now the requirement is a vaccination certificate showing that one has received 3 doses (not 2). This made things much easier, since I already have that in my possesion. The other concern was ending up with a positive Covid test which would have resulted me getting stuck in Germany for 2 weeks before being able to fly back to the US, which given my work commitments would have not been possible. I did employ a number of measures to decrease that risk to minimum, one of which was to abandon my usual strategy to bunny-hopping between the clubs and have just visited 2 clubs on this trip and ended up repeating with my favorite girls from previous trips, so have only had sex with 3 girls total this time. In the end, it still beats spending a week at home jerking off in front of the cimputer and I am glad that I made the journey..[/QUOTE]So, if girls thankfully are mask-free and men can take off the mask on the couch, they can take it off also if they are speaking with a girl in front of them? I mean, is it possible as in pre-Covid time French kissing a girl on the couch before going in the room?

Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2661761]No changes in pricing from the pre-Covid era. Entry is still 30 Euros. The girls charge 30 Euros for 20 minutes, 40 Euros for 30 minutes and I think it is 50 Euros for 40 minutes. The only exception is Luderland which has its own pricing-if I recall correctly it was 30 Euros for 25 minutes.[/QUOTE]New to this. What's included within the session?

[QUOTE=LatinaChaser1;2668547]New to this. What's included within the session?[/QUOTE]Bareback sex, BBBJ, licking her holes too. 👅.

So I cancelled 2 flights to Germany, one before Christmas because I felt the covid was too bad and I did NOT want to take constant covid tests in Germany, and another a few weeks ago because I caught Covid myself.

Now Im completely recovered and have another flight booked for next Monday but I'm worried about Nuclear reactors leaking in Ukraine due to them being shelled. Germany is alot closer to Ukraine than my home country. I feel I would be safer from fallout at home than I would be in Germany.

I'm planning to stay in Nrw and hit the bareback clubs and swingers clubs as normal. Many Swingers are closed for months but reopening from this weekend.

Any thoughts guys. ?

Am I really going to cancel a 3rd trip in a row 🤬 I'm turning into a fucking monk here. 😂.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2670411]So I cancelled 2 flights to Germany, one before Christmas because I felt the covid was too bad and I did NOT want to take constant covid tests in Germany, and another a few weeks ago because I caught Covid myself.

Now Im completely recovered and have another flight booked for next Monday but I'm worried about Nuclear reactors leaking in Ukraine due to them being shelled. Germany is alot closer to Ukraine than my home country. I feel I would be safer from fallout at home than I would be in Germany.

I'm planning to stay in Nrw and hit the bareback clubs and swingers clubs as normal. Many Swingers are closed for months but reopening from this weekend.[/QUOTE]No, I would not cancel your trip for the third time. If a nuclear fallout happens, then I want to be incinerated, while fucking a beautiful girl. Covid is on its way out, so we need to get back to our hobby full time and I would not stop even if I start glowing at night from nuclear radiations. Enjoy your trip!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2670415]No, I would not cancel your trip for the third time. If a nuclear fallout happens, then I want to be incinerated, while fucking a beautiful girl. Covid is on its way out, so we need to get back to our hobby full time and I would not stop even if I start glowing at night from nuclear radiations. Enjoy your trip![/QUOTE]😂; Thanks bro.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2670411]So I cancelled 2 flights to Germany, one before Christmas because I felt the covid was too bad and I did NOT want to take constant covid tests in Germany, and another a few weeks ago because I caught Covid myself.

Now Im completely recovered and have another flight booked for next Monday but I'm worried about Nuclear reactors leaking in Ukraine due to them being shelled. Germany is alot closer to Ukraine than my home country. I feel I would be safer from fallout at home than I would be in Germany.

I'm planning to stay in Nrw and hit the bareback clubs and swingers clubs as normal. Many Swingers are closed for months but reopening from this weekend.

Any thoughts guys. ?

Am I really going to cancel a 3rd trip in a row 🤬 I'm turning into a fucking monk here. 😂.[/QUOTE]Which ones offer bare back? I checked out Samya FKK in Cologne and you couldn't get 'alles ohne' to save your soul!

[QUOTE=SadOldGuy;2670571]Which ones offer bare back? I checked out Samya FKK in Cologne and you couldn't get 'alles ohne' to save your soul![/QUOTE]You're in the right place, now start reading backwards.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2670411]

Any thoughts guys. ?

Am I really going to cancel a 3rd trip in a row 🤬 I'm turning into a fucking monk here. 😂.[/QUOTE]Don't cancel man.

How else are other monks to survive without Wanking reports on the scene in NRW?

Monks living vicariously, sounds like a porn movie.

Must get back there again soon myself too. Enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=SadOldGuy;2670571]Which ones offer bare back? I checked out Samya FKK in Cologne and you couldn't get 'alles ohne' to save your soul![/QUOTE]FKK Arabella is probably the best club for it, although not all girls do it in every club. Some girls like to get to know a guy first.

Also level of service gets better when you become a regular and girls feel they can trust you.

I have had amazing GFE sessions with several of the girls in Arabella over the years as I've got to know them over time.

Nice to hear from Ed Setra below.. 👍

Important to have the Frank and Beans shaved before a club visit. I know most guys do shave these days and the girls hate pubes.

I used to let it grow a bit home when I'm not sexually active. Then it was the effort of trying to shave before a trip with a trimmers and wet razor. Not pleasant.😢

Bought a Philips 3000 body shaver in Lidl 6 months ago and its been a game shaver. Keep my bits shaved all the time now, no nicks, cut, pain or rash. Stays charged for ages. It was 27 euro.

I don t even shave my face to go to brothels, nor my balls of course, but just had 1 hour ago a German busy superstar in her club licking my hairy balls after her orgasm and asking me to make her squirt, asking I move my fingers fast and deep inside her, when I couldn't touch more her so sensitive clit and her nipples were pointing. She started at 7.30 pm, I could get her only at 4 am, patient hunter.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2670411]So I cancelled 2 flights to Germany…Am I really going to cancel a 3rd trip in a row 🤬 I'm turning into a fucking monk here. 😂.[/QUOTE]Sorry about your cancellations. But it could be worse. You could be on the wrong side of the Atlantic like me!

Is the only AO FKK near Frankfurt Villa Venus, or am I just missing something.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2672167]Is the only AO FKK near Frankfurt Villa Venus, or am I just missing something.[/QUOTE]FKK Dietzenbach is the nearest one to Frankfurt. There's a thread here.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2671422]Sorry about your cancellations. But it could be worse. You could be on the wrong side of the Atlantic like me![/QUOTE]Thanks bro, I'm here now. Had a good day in Arabella yesterday. Only 5 girls but it worked out fine for me.

More later.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2672167]Is the only AO FKK near Frankfurt Villa Venus, or am I just missing something.[/QUOTE]RTC Villa Venus is not around Frankfurt.

Is it the "2 G+ regel" (vaccine+ 24 H test) or "3 G" (just vaccinated) at moment at Venus and Arabella? Most of the FKK's have 2 G+.

[QUOTE=ZoneChange;2672597]Is it the "2 G+ regel" (vaccine+ 24 H test) or "3 G" (just vaccinated) at moment at Venus and Arabella? Most of the FKK's have 2 G+.[/QUOTE]3 g at Grimberg today and Arabella on Tuesday. No rapid test needed as long as you have 3 vaccination passport on your phone. Mask wearing not really enforced anymore..

Very good time in Grimberg today, around 9 girls, ID 3 sessions, 2 of them very nice, and 2 good cums.

I'm going back Saturday.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2671003]I don t even shave my face to go to brothels, nor my balls of course, but just had 1 hour ago a German busy superstar in her club licking my hairy balls after her orgasm and asking me to make her squirt, asking I move my fingers fast and deep inside her, when I couldn't touch more her so sensitive clit and her nipples were pointing. She started at 7.30 pm, I could get her only at 4 am, patient hunter.[/QUOTE]Which club was it? Any links? Thank you.

[QUOTE=MarineOne;2674052]Which club was it? Any links? Thank you.[/QUOTE]I just told no need to shave to get from girls. Not in AO RTC, but we repeated on this week end, a German telling after our discovery and only one minute in bed on Saturday night: let s have love, a German for me when I hate I don't sell love ones. And she was so excited, cumming so fast, too fast. When she sold me all Audi options on discovery, but on this time, she told me: be careful about you and she squirt so much, warm liquid, she preferred to stop, big explosion she said, or I would have had to swim if she let me keeping on her. But we had to change the bed. We repeated later. While ski Worldcup final on next week end, maybe I will make a nearly 1200 kms run between slalom and giant for love in bed with her fluids, exciting how she was excited. I have to enjoy her before she will make too many tattoos, now I have money she said, even no silicon but sensitive nipples, so sensitive body after fucking.

German language AO oriented site indicates Luderland open with 7-10 girls, 30€ for 25 minutes includes AO.

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the info. I have a trip to Germany next month and have started to read a lot of the posts. I actually wasn't really looking forward to going to Germany until I read over all the glorious reports. You guys have got me salivating to go now. Existence of AO Clubs is still kinda beyond my imagination at this point.

I will have a day around the Dusseldorf area and think I have narrowed down my selection. Am most interested in La Luna, Arabella and Grimberg.

If my time or stamina is limited should I cut la Luna or grimberg? Not sure I'll be up to visiting 3 clubs. I feel like based on reports I've read Arabella should be one of the best AO clubs.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2688026]Hi guys,

Thanks for all the info. I have a trip to Germany next month and have started to read a lot of the posts. I actually wasn't really looking forward to going to Germany until I read over all the glorious reports. You guys have got me salivating to go now. Existence of AO Clubs is still kinda beyond my imagination at this point.

I will have a day around the Dusseldorf area and think I have narrowed down my selection. Am most interested in La Luna, Arabella and Grimberg.

If my time or stamina is limited should I cut la Luna or grimberg? Not sure I'll be up to visiting 3 clubs. I feel like based on reports I've read Arabella should be one of the best AO clubs.[/QUOTE]Best to skip LaLuna, I was there Friday and there were only three girls, also the prices are higher than the other clubs. Kathi was the reason for visiting and she has left.

Right now, Grimberg is better than Arabella which is unusual.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2670411]So I cancelled 2 flights to Germany, one before Christmas because I felt the covid was too bad and I did NOT want to take constant covid tests in Germany, and another a few weeks ago because I caught Covid myself.

Now Im completely recovered and have another flight booked for next Monday but I'm worried about Nuclear reactors leaking in Ukraine due to them being shelled. Germany is alot closer to Ukraine than my home country. I feel I would be safer from fallout at home than I would be in Germany.

I'm planning to stay in Nrw and hit the bareback clubs and swingers clubs as normal. Many Swingers are closed for months but reopening from this weekend.

Any thoughts guys. ?

Am I really going to cancel a 3rd trip in a row 🤬 I'm turning into a fucking monk here. 😂.[/QUOTE]I find it fascinating how people evaluate risk. So you worry about the health damage from a damaged nuclear reactor in Ukraine while barebacking a bunch of prostitutes who fuck 20 men a day! The first risk is small and entirely out of your control while the second is more real and fully in your control. Yet you happily take the latter risk but would give up the trip for the former! Amazing!

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2688391]I find it fascinating how people evaluate risk. So you worry about the health damage from a damaged nuclear reactor in Ukraine while barebacking a bunch of prostitutes who fuck 20 men a day! The first risk is small and entirely out of your control while the second is more real and fully in your control. Yet you happily take the latter risk but would give up the trip for the former! Amazing![/QUOTE]Just depend with what you think, when great strength in FKK is to always keep control and even when fucking, to stay just on the edge to increase pleasure.

Went to Venus club (in Hamminkeln) around 6 pm on Saturday 4/16. It's 50 to enter. Immediately I like the vibe here. It's a loungey feel with fog machines and laser lights. It's very clean. It feels clean. Best part is that you can use your phone here. You just have to go to reception have them cover up your camera lens.

There were maybe 15 girls here this night with few guys. There were 5 in the lineup that I would room with. You can log onto Venus website and see which girls are currently "present" in the club and who's "not in".

I went with Sara, who's BBBJ was incredible. It's 50 for 30 minutes and BBBJ is standard. If you want to CIM, Sara charged extra 50. I didn't want to spend the extra 50 so I went with my finishing move snoop doggy style and finished. Sara was good, I would repeat with here. Give her an 8. She was also very popular she doesn't sit around idling for long.

I wanted Ella next but she was busy also. She disappeared for hours and would only surface for a little bit and then disappear. Couldn't room with Ella this next, she's the one that got away.

What makes this club special is that they have these mini strip shows where a girl goes into this "birdcage" and does a strip tease dance to one song every 30 minutes or so. Towards the end of the night, 3 girls came out together for a lesbian show. They were licking each other and eating each other's pussy. AND THEN, they pulled out dildos and started to fuck each other until one of them squirted, yes squirted. I had to move my beer out of the way.

[QUOTE=SdeVan;2688610]Don't know if this is the right Venus club thread, but whatever [/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, and yes this is the wrong thread. Only RTC and AO clubs here.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2688624]Thanks for the report, and yes this is the wrong thread. Only RTC and AO clubs here.[/QUOTE]He might have thought it was villa venus. But I think vv is now luderland around cologne.

Hi Christian, are you the same from the California and maybe Mexico sub? Great to see you if that's you. I remember you back from like my 08 days. I've read so many of your reports before and you were a wealth of knowledge for the young buck that was me. Lost my old login or maybe they purged it. I only had a dozen posts so under kdmo or at something like that.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2688630]He might have thought it was villa venus. But I think vv is now luderland around cologne.[/QUOTE]Villa Venus is in Duisberg, I never go there as I've heard reports for years back that your car can end up with it's windows smashed.

Luderland was closed Sundy, possibly due to Easter and girls about to head home for Orthodox Easter.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2688729]Villa Venus is in Duisberg, I never go there as I've heard reports for years back that your car can end up with it's windows smashed.

Luderland was closed Sundy, possibly due to Easter and girls about to head home for Orthodox Easter.[/QUOTE]I saw on their website they're rebranded villa Venus and they've relocated in Leverkusen. Not sure how accurate this info is.

[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/index.php/home-luderland-leverkusen.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pickley;2688630]
Hi Christian, are you the same from the California and maybe Mexico sub?[/QUOTE]No. You have the wrong person.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2688729]Villa Venus is in Duisberg, I never go there as I've heard reports for years back that your car can end up with it's windows smashed.[/QUOTE]My friends and I have never had any problems, and we have never seen cars with broken windows.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2688754]I saw on their website they're rebranded villa Venus and they've relocated in Leverkusen. Not sure how accurate this info is.

[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/index.php/home-luderland-leverkusen.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The website states "Bahar, formerly Villa Venus, just arrived in Luderland!" AFAIK, Villa Venus is still in Duisburg.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2688773]My friends and I have never had any problems, and we have never seen cars with broken windows.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I have to confirm.

It happened to me personally. Summer 2019. Rental car. After a few hours I leave the Villa Venus and find the rear glass smashed, and the laptop left there (not in sight, but they explained to me that they use tools that detect the battery) stolen.

Horrible experience.

A new guy pmed me asking for Newbie advice, and I told him the following -.

Stay in Ibis Hotel Gelsenkirchen at the main train station, around 70 euro per night. (or stay somewhere cheaper further away from the Train station)

From here you have easy access on the tram to 2 clubs.

FKK Arabella. Tram 302 dir Bochum. Get off after 10 minutes at Stop Lohrheidestrae and walk 700 meters to the club.

FKK Grimberg. Tram 301 dir Kartnerer Ring, get off after 10 minutes at stop Zoom Erlebniswelt, and walk 650 metres to Club.

This is an easy way to access two top notch FKK AO clubs, and should be easy to figure out for even the dimmest guys.

The cost of the tram is around 3 euro each way... And you can purchase ticket off the driver if you cannt figure out the ticket machines or Apps.

I'm back there May 23 to 29 if anyone is around. Pm me.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;2693098]Unfortunately I have to confirm.

It happened to me personally. Summer 2019. Rental car. After a few hours I leave the Villa Venus and find the rear glass smashed, and the laptop left there (not in sight, but they explained to me that they use tools that detect the battery) stolen.

Horrible experience.[/QUOTE]Had a car scratched there. 950 Euro car rental damage, was lucky to have car rental excess insurance.

Quick update on the NRW AO clubs.

From the Covid standpoint, everything is back to normal pre-Covid days. Masks are history, neither the girls nor the men wear them in the clubs any longer. There is no longer any checking on Covid 19 vaccinations or testing. When you enter the club just hand over your Euros and they hand over the key and the towels.

The numbers of girls in the clubs are also pretty much back to pre-Covid days. As has always been the case, some look better than other, but at this point in time I do not think the line ups are any worse than they were in 2019.

The bad news is the number of mongers has increased substantially compared to 6 months ago. Grimberg has become a victim of its own success, and even on weekdays, I found that I had to wait my turn to get the girls that I wanted. As a result, the more popular girls are overfucked and understandably their service levels do suffer as a result of that.

The price for 30 minutes of fun at La Luna has gone up to 70 Euros. That means that for the price of 1 girl at La Luna one can have 2 girls at the RTC clubs, although I suspect it is only a matter of time before the RTC clubs raise their proces too. On the upside the La Luna girls are not as overfucked (as the much higher price results in lower level of customers) and thus uniformly provide a level of service that many of the pupular RTC girls do not. For those that rememebr her from 6 years ago Miruna has returned to La Luna and if anything, is even better in bed than she was previously. As she was only 18 years old 6 years ago, that would still only make her about 24 years old now and she continues to look good. At this point the casting and the service levels at La Luna are the best they have been in a long time but of course it comes at a higher financial cost.

Grimberg has probably the largest number of girls, which means that with all the men in the club it is not always easy to find a place to sit on on the couch. It does have a good number of young, slim, attractive girls (Sara, Alessia, Bianca etc) but they are all in high demand.

Villa Varena casting I felt was poor (both low numbers (7 girls) as well as lower quality).

Luderland had more girls, but quality was also fairly low.

I read on the German forums that Arabella has 2 young attactive girls, but as they both define the word "starfish" and provide very poor service levels, I did not bother visiting.

I'm heading over on the 23.

Probably do Grimberg 24th, Arabella 26th, some FKK on 28th and swingers on other days.

Grimberg was busy enough when I visited in early March. Arabella and grimberg only have one toilet each aswell. So be prepared to queue.

Upside of the big crowd is girls are happy to be making money. I've been in those clubs on really slow days precovid and the girls get very grumpy with no money coming in.

Quick update from todays visit. Surprised to have no covid checking at all. Had a rapid test on the way here but didn't need it or the vaccination card at all.

Saw 6-8 girls, same number of men. Mostly 6-7's, a couple of chubby ones but they were really busy so someone's taste goes that way. Most of the girls are Romanian with a couple Bulgarians thrown in.

Went with Bianca for my first session, nice girls but as always, „don't Do this, don't do that" which is a real turnoff for me. Funniest part was when I played with her nipples and they got really hard. She told me she doesn't like that. LOL.

Asked about AO and she confirmed it's available, no coming in mouth or pussy, coming on tits is perfectly okay. Standard session for 30€, plus €30 entrance. For her anal wasn't on offer and she didn't try to upswell me on anything else.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;2697638]Quick update from todays visit. Surprised to have no covid checking at all. Had a rapid test on the way here but didn't need it or the vaccination card at all.
[/QUOTE]Visited Bernds Saunaclub Schieferhof last Friday. My vaccination certificate was checked. The day after I went to FKK Luderland as the Hof is closed during weekends and there was no checking of anything.

Does anybody know the name of the girl who typically sits on the middle couch at the back? I mean the wall with the rear exit on the left, and the private zimmer on the right that you face towards as you pay at the front desk. The girl is tall and thin with killer legs and a face like a model, she has long dark hair. (Not Larissa, the older girl who usually sits on the couch nearest the rear exit). Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2697436]I'm heading over on the 23.

Probably do Grimberg 24th, Arabella 26th, some FKK on 28th and swingers on other days.

Grimberg was busy enough when I visited in early March. Arabella and grimberg only have one toilet each aswell. So be prepared to queue.

Upside of the big crowd is girls are happy to be making money. I've been in those clubs on really slow days precovid and the girls get very grumpy with no money coming in.[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

Woulda pm but lack posts. Thanks for the info. Those bahn directions are very appreciated.

I actually may be ara and grimb on 24th.

I was considering a swinger thing too and was contemplating the sgparty on 30th just for the experience. Haven't really been into that scene before but seems like an experience. I may just hit up sky and aca g instead.

Recently went to Villa Venus just outside Stuttgart. Overall good experience, although my error was going too early in the day.

I got the train from HBF to Fellbach, from here its a short walk to VV, its sat on an industrial estate and first impressions of the building aren't great, but I committed and went in with low expectations.

40 Eur to get in but given a 10 Eur voucher for next visit. Club itself is pretty good, it was clean, facilities were decent and well maintained.

I was there for about 2 pm in the afternoon, and when I arrived I was the only guy there and 4-5 girls, and they couldn't wait to start the hustle, with one really cute Romanian girl all over me before I'd even got to the changing rooms. She was stunning and had a fantastic body, but I've been in enough FKK's to know its worthwhile to walk round and assess first.

So had a little wonder round, still fairly quiet on the number of girls there, but of the 4-5 that were there, all were at least 7's one 9 a Bulgarian girl who came over as soon as I grabbed a drink and sat down. Straight to business, my towel was parted and she starts playing with my cock. She went in at 100 Eur first, but soon dropped to 50 eur.

She already had me hard, so we went to the room, she had an amazing body, pert natural tits, and easily the best ass I've seen in an FKK, she had a lips tattoo on her right cheek. She said I want you to kiss there. I didn't need asking twice. As I knelt down to kiss raised her leg on to the bed and asked if I wanted to lick her pussy next. Obviously the answer was yes.

We got more comfortable, with plenty of pussy licking, then she moved in to 69 for owo. Amazing view, she was making all the right noises, then condom was applied with mouth she basically demanded doggy. More than happy to oblige, again made all the right noises and seemed to enjoy it. Didn't last too long after popping, bit of DFK and light chit chat, handed kitchen roll to clean up, bit more DFK, and then the usual "thank you baby, good sex" payment was made and she disappeared. Pretty satisfied for 50 EUR, gave her 60 because service was pretty good.

Relaxed in the sauna for a while, wandered the club again and noticed it was definitely getting busier with girls. There was a mixture this time, plenty of 8's but a few 4's, one larger older girl, kept following me round very persistent, but not my type at all, so made it clear I wasn't interested.

ID had my fil for the day, so went to get changed, and head out. Saw some beautiful girls coming in as I was heading out so go as late in the day as your schedule will allow. I guess this is true of all FKK's evening / night time is by default busier. But if you are planning on going midday, there is still enough to choose from.

Stopped by was able to see 4 girls.

Cathey or Katie, long Straight blonde hair. Super cute early 20, a solid 7.5 because she wasn't toned. Still beautiful though. Good service, light kissing. Repeatable.

Alina. Super hot and skinny body with some tattoos, maybe late 20's, 8.5. Everything included but she got a bit impatient when I couldn't pop and we ended the session as a short session. Still repeatable because she was hot.

Sophia and Jessie in a duo. Sophia is a 6.5-7. More of a regular girl body with curves but not toned. Convinced me to do a duo with her friend Jessie or as she called Jezzy. Jessie was a little less in shape but still pretty with great natural tits, I'd rate her a 6. Sophia spoke English so that's why I originally picked her. She promised great service and boy did they deliver. Both kissed a lot more than the other girls and we're very service oriented. I think these girls were in 30's.

[QUOTE=GhostrRider1305;2700475]Recently went to Villa Venus just outside Stuttgart.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, but you posted in the wrong thread. Here we talking about RTC Villa Venus in Duisburg! [URL]http://www.fkk-venus.sex/[/URL].

Saw 3. Can't remember name of 2nd one.

Optics are way better than Arabella. There was like 2 hot girls at Arabella out of like 6 and at grimberg they had like 8 girls and 4-5 were hot. I think a key difference is the girls at grimberg were in shape. Lots of fat girls at Arabella. There were 2 girls that were thicker at grimberg but I wouldn't call them fat. Hard to even call them small BBW. Just a few extra pounds. The mood and atmosphere were also way better at grimberg. People were polite at both places but people were really having fun at grimberg. I had great conversation with many guests throughout the night. This one older gentlemen with long hair was the life of the party.

Gabriella, petite, small breasts and tattoos with a pretty face. 8. Only a few pecks for kissing but great BJ.

I can't remember name of 2nd girl. Good body, nice breasts maybe see cup. Looks would rate a 7. She had a word tattoo on her left arm. I think she was Bulgarian. She provided good service and had good attitude but didn't really click so wouldn't repeat.

Final girl was Sarah. I had to pounce on her when she was free at the very end of the night. Super cute face. For me she was like a 9 in terms of looks. But I would rate 8. 5. She had tattoos, especially noticeable was one on her stomach. Love that suicide girl look. No kisses but good attitude and all the usual. Repeat.

Thank you thank you for the 2 reports on Arabella and grimberg. If there are only 2 hot girls at ara I still want to drop in and try at least one if not both of them Sarah and grimberg looks like a must try also.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2700714]Saw 3. Can't remember name of 2nd one.

Optics are way better than Arabella. There was like 2 hot girls at Arabella out of like 6 and at grimberg they had like 8 girls and 4-5 were hot. I think a key difference is the girls at grimberg were in shape. Lots of fat girls at Arabella. There were 2 girls that were thicker at grimberg but I wouldn't call them fat. Hard to even call them small BBW. Just a few extra pounds. The mood and atmosphere were also way better at grimberg. People were polite at both places but people were really having fun at grimberg. I had great conversation with many guests throughout the night. This one older gentlemen with long hair was the life of the party.

Gabriella, petite, small breasts and tattoos with a pretty face. 8. Only a few pecks for kissing but great BJ.

I can't remember name of 2nd girl. Good body, nice breasts maybe see cup. Looks would rate a 7. She had a word tattoo on her left arm. I think she was Bulgarian. She provided good service and had good attitude but didn't really click so wouldn't repeat.

Final girl was Sarah. I had to pounce on her when she was free at the very end of the night. Super cute face. For me she was like a 9 in terms of looks. But I would rate 8. 5. She had tattoos, especially noticeable was one on her stomach. Love that suicide girl look. No kisses but good attitude and all the usual. Repeat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarineOne;2698216]Does anybody know the name of the girl who typically sits on the middle couch at the back? I mean the wall with the rear exit on the left, and the private zimmer on the right that you face towards as you pay at the front desk. The girl is tall and thin with killer legs and a face like a model, she has long dark hair. (Not Larissa, the older girl who usually sits on the couch nearest the rear exit). Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Bahar, from Turkey, lost half of her weight.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2700613]Stopped by was able to see 4 girls.

Cathey or Katie, long Straight blonde hair. Super cute early 20, a solid 7.5 because she wasn't toned. Still beautiful though. Good service, light kissing. Repeatable.

Alina. Super hot and skinny body with some tattoos, maybe late 20's, 8.5. Everything included but she got a bit impatient when I couldn't pop and we ended the session as a short session. Still repeatable because she was hot.

Sophia and Jessie in a duo. Sophia is a 6.5-7. More of a regular girl body with curves but not toned. Convinced me to do a duo with her friend Jessie or as she called Jezzy. Jessie was a little less in shape but still pretty with great natural tits, I'd rate her a 6. Sophia spoke English so that's why I originally picked her. She promised great service and boy did they deliver. Both kissed a lot more than the other girls and we're very service oriented. I think these girls were in 30's.[/QUOTE]I'd be curious to know when you went there. The one you call Katie must be Carmen. Sophia really escapes to me, but I heard "Jessie" being called also with another name, maybe "Elisa", so perhaps bulgarians give different names, so the other woman could be "Elena" (the only 2 bulgarians on duty currently). With all the respect to your tastes, if we are talking of the same women in Arabella, your ratings are extraordinarily high. About those in grimberg, let's say really really very generous: Gabriela 8? You wouldn't define Sissi "fat"? And the second one you mention, if bulgarian, could be Angie, who gained a lot of weight!

P.S. Wry Cooter, in Arabella now the only "hot" one, actually dead cold, actually frozen, fish, is Patrizia. The other super GFE (GreatFishExperience), Beatris, migrated in 3 different clubs in 4 days, last one I know of being Venus. I challenge you to obtain and keep an erection with them, even with the help of "medical support"

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701145]I'd be curious to know when you went there. The one you call Katie must be Carmen. Sophia really escapes to me, but I heard "Jessie" being called also with another name, maybe "Elisa", so perhaps bulgarians give different names, so the other woman could be "Elena" (the only 2 bulgarians on duty currently). With all the respect to your tastes, if we are talking of the same women in Arabella, your ratings are extraordinarily high. About those in grimberg, let's say really really very generous: Gabriela 8? You wouldn't define Sissi "fat"? And the second one you mention, if bulgarian, could be Angie, who gained a lot of weight!

P.S. Wry Cooter, in Arabella now the only "hot" one, actually dead cold, actually frozen, fish, is Patrizia. The other super GFE (GreatFishExperience), Beatris, migrated in 3 different clubs in 4 days, last one I know of being Venus. I challenge you to obtain and keep an erection with them, even with the help of "medical support"[/QUOTE]I think you're right about Carmen. I also think my Arabella point system could go down a point after seeing grimberg. Arabella was my first first club. Early afternoon Arabella and I stayed at grimberg until close. My point system my still be further refined as I experience more clubs like sharks.

Gabriella and sarah were my type of look.

You could be right 2nd may be Angie, but I'm not 100%. She did have a little stomach.

Who is sissi? I think there might have been a fatter one in bar room. Is she blonde? My frame of reference was based on what I saw at Arabella a few hours before so may have been more generous. But still 5/8 we're basically in shape.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701145]

P.S. Wry Cooter, in Arabella now the only "hot" one, actually dead cold, actually frozen, fish, is Patrizia. The other super GFE (GreatFishExperience), Beatris, migrated in 3 different clubs in 4 days, last one I know of being Venus. I challenge you to obtain and keep an erection with them, even with the help of "medical support"[/QUOTE]It's seems you don't have much fun in the RTC nowadays. The golden days are gone?

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701145]
P.S. Wry Cooter, in Arabella now the only "hot" one, actually dead cold, actually frozen, fish, is Patrizia. The other super GFE (GreatFishExperience), Beatris, migrated in 3 different clubs in 4 days, last one I know of being Venus. I challenge you to obtain and keep an erection with them, even with the help of "medical support"[/QUOTE]I think I would agree with you, EG. Alina has a decently slim body and a tight grip but wouldn't call her a beauty. Her BJ technique is pretty nice though Didn't stay long so didn't have a chance to see Patrizia. Went back to Grimberg that same day (yesterday) and had a pretty nice room with Sarah. Also met Alicia who is a very nice looking girl but not as wild as I like them so I passed on her. I find goofy Angie rather endearing, I may try to do a threesome with her and someone else, maybe Gabriella. Perhaps Angie is heavier than before but I think she carries it well, if I remember her from a few years back she may have been too scrawny for me before. Now she's just right.

I'll go back to Grim later this trip to try some threesomes, maybe Angie / Gabriella and Bianca / Sarah.

Has anyone seen any young nubiles at Venus or Verena? I’m very much an optics person even at an RTC

[QUOTE=WryCooter;2701469]I think I would agree with you, EG. Alina has a decently slim body and a tight grip but wouldn't call her a beauty. Her BJ technique is pretty nice though Didn't stay long so didn't have a chance to see Patrizia. Went back to Grimberg that same day (yesterday) and had a pretty nice room with Sarah. Also met Alicia who is a very nice looking girl but not as wild as I like them so I passed on her. I find goofy Angie rather endearing, I may try to do a threesome with her and someone else, maybe Gabriella. Perhaps Angie is heavier than before but I think she carries it well, if I remember her from a few years back she may have been too scrawny for me before. Now she's just right.[/QUOTE]I think the girls at Arabella have better BJ technique. I like the style. I agree about Alina too. Great body but face is a little hardened.

Loved Sarah over at Grimberg. She, Gabriella and Katy (line of tattoo above breast I think) are just too cute. I still regret not being able to see Katy. Small part of me wants to visit Grimberg again before I leave. But so many other clubs I want to experience too like sky and Acapulco gold.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2701331]It's seems you don't have much fun in the RTC nowadays. The golden days are gone?[/QUOTE]As I was posting years ago, the golden times ended with the new laws of summer 2017, whose impact was of course bigger in RTCs. Clubs, in addition, which did all they could to worsen things: changing prices, introducing extras, accepting and tolerating useless arrogant corpses good at nothing just to put whatever on the couches, etc.

With all the respect to anybody's tastes, experiences, likings, pleasures, etc, in my opinion a monger can currently go to Germany if he belongs to one or more of these cathegories:

- never made love and / or ao and / or in general sex in his life, or did long ago, or does once in a long while (regardless of the reasons);.

- lasts a few minutes, 5-10 max.

- is happy with little or nothing.

- can't find satisfaction somewhere else / is too lazy / uncapable to search somewhere else (because going to a club doesn't require any effort).

At hand, I'd say I mentioned the main "requirements".

Since I was fooled by enthusiastic reports and splendid fairy tales, also from guys I spoke to, about the new (for me) bunch of girls, mainly in Grimberg but also in some other clubs (Andrea in verena, Patrizia in arabella, to mention a couple), I fell into the (unintentional, of course) "trap" and came back, which is why I bothered to write a couple of lines to invite to readjust evaluations, thus avoiding delusions to less naive people. Of course I understand Pickle's enthusiasm, since I too was "shocked" on my first trip and initial following ones.

The "stars" were generally said to be:

- young (true),

- very beautiful (of course questionable): well, compared to an average rtc girl, even I with a wig would be nearly a stunner, LOL! Beauty is in beholder's eyes, a matter of tastes, in my opinion they are just average gnds, with cellulitis (I'd say all, in spite of the age), inflated lips (Alessia; Beatris twice, she couldn't kiss nor suck, not that these actions from her were worth before), falling empty sacked boobs (Gabriela), all in all, nothing special physically.

- giving decent / great sessions: well, always IMHO, the young new ones (apart Andrea) are mostly good at nothing, full of nos, with endless lists of limitations, lacking of any basic of respect, politeness, education, savoir faire, intelligence, will of working, etc, while the "old" women are worn out inside and outside, they don't give a tiny fraction of the service they used to give, on top of a general physical condition of course degenerating while aging (some thekes too doubled up the weight).

Generally speaking, they all seem to walk on clouds, aloof, with noses up high, if there was a shit or a hole in the ground they wouldn't see it, in the same way as they don't see the customers looking / staring / waving at them from the couch beside, glances nearly never meet, the bags are used as barriers to keep a distance, etc.

They feel princesses deciding the destiny (customer received or refused? Allowed what?) of the desperate men crawling at their feet, but they are worth just 30 euros, while the confection of cialis - which highly likely won't help you, due to lack of stimulation, to overcome the obstacles - you bought on purpose to hopefully make and finish one session (just one, not the many sessions you used to have daily without any support) with these phenomenons costs 31,05 euro.

I would have plenty of episodes to support my opinion, if I find time and will I might post a few ones, also to reply to those who will accuse me of being excessively negative.

One to give a clue: a star just back on duty informs me that she has had a recent surgery both inside and outside the pussy (???), therefore no fingering, no licking, no saliva and lots of cautions: not too deep, not too fast, not too strong, not too straight, don't pull out totally, etc. She places a handful of gel which doesn't make any wet, her fingers making a barrier between her pussy and my dick, doggie and she on top being the only "nearly motionless positions" allowed while I feel more her fingers than the rest. By mistake she says time is over after some 10 minutes, then warns that one minute after the 20th will be considered half an hour. My dick and pharmaceutical help (ok, a small fraction of pill, but still a help) surrender continuously until the mostly frantic-blowing session is over. I pay, grateful that she charges only 30 euros for not making me finish by mouth either, I don't complain of anything. Later on, I found out that she complained, even to theke, that I fucked her hard (?!?) and smashed her pussy (!!!). A friend of hers backing her up completed the picture, but we hadn't made a trio, so what did she talk about? Don't ask me who she is, you'll surely bump into her due to eyecatching appearance.

At the moment, the main if not the only thing which might take me to Germany next month is that for June it has been made a monthly transportation card costing 9 euros which will let holders use any mean of public transport all around the country.

P.S. I don't mean to reproach / criticize / offend / etc anyone, I just expressed my humble thoughts based on my personal experiences. I am happy for those who are happy.. and if the women are happy for how things go, I am happy for them as well.. but customers seem to be less and less..

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701515]As I was posting years ago, the golden times ended with the new laws of summer 2017, whose impact was of course bigger in RTCs. Clubs, in addition, which did all they could to worsen things: changing prices, introducing extras, accepting and tolerating useless arrogant corpses good at nothing just to put whatever on the couches, etc.[/QUOTE]Agree with you, the shitty new laws of July 2017 had ruin the P4 P market in Germany. I remember back in 2014 the RTCs were a sex paradise and Germany it was the monger's paradise of Europe.

Rude attitude by girls are unacceptable and they don't deserve our money when act like this.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701515]They feel princesses deciding the destiny (customer received or refused? Allowed what?) of the desperate men crawling at their feet, but they are worth just 30 euros, while the confection of cialis - which highly likely won't help you, due to lack of stimulation, to overcome the obstacles - you bought on purpose to hopefully make and finish one session.[/QUOTE]Next time go straight to Caverject injection, and you will not need any stimulation LOL.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701515] Later on, I found out that she complained, even to theke, that I fucked her hard (?!?) and smashed her pussy (!!!). A friend of hers backing her up completed the picture, but we hadn't made a trio, so what did she talk about? Don't ask me who she is, you'll surely bump into her due to eyecatching appearance.[/QUOTE]Hookers are always full of BS when they have to defame the customer.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2701515] but customers seem to be less and less..[/QUOTE]That's good. If they have this rude attitude and bad service they don't deserve customers and money. They should go to factory shifts if they don't know how to deal with the customers.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2701618]Agree with you, the shitty new laws of July 2017 had ruin the P4 P market in Germany. I remember back in 2014 the RTCs were a sex paradise and Germany it was the monger's paradise of Europe.

Rude attitude by girls are unacceptable and they don't deserve our money when act like this.

Next time go straight to Caverject injection, and you will not need any stimulation LOL.

Hookers are always full of BS when they have to defame the customer.

That's good. If they have this rude attitude and bad service they don't deserve customers and money. They should go to factory shifts if they don't know how to deal with the customers.[/QUOTE]Not in RTC, but I still find very high quality since 2017 law and on this year, discovering a German busy superstar explaining me how to make her squirt for real shower, she likes to cum she says. On last night, my immaculate Swiss told she got 3 orgasmus on DATY, all her body shaking and chicken skin when fucking and she improved for good BBBJ. Cheap RTC were never on the highest level for looks and sex.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693261]FKK Arabella. Tram 302 dir Bochum. Get off after 10 minutes at Stop Lohrheidestrae and walk 700 meters to the club.

FKK Grimberg. Tram 301 dir Kartnerer Ring, get off after 10 minutes at stop Zoom Erlebniswelt, and walk 650 metres to Club.

This is an easy way to access two top notch FKK AO clubs, and should be easy to figure out for even the dimmest guys.

The cost of the tram is around 3 euro each way... And you can purchase ticket off the driver if you cannt figure out the ticket machines or Apps..[/QUOTE]Very detailed travel advice mate! Single 24 HR standard ticket will cost 7. 30 EUR and payable by credit card at the ticket machine. Travel June and July for 9 euro monthly ticket anywhere in Germany is a steal from next week onwards.

I might return to Grimberg tmr to check out again.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;2697638]Quick update from todays visit. Surprised to have no covid checking at all. Had a rapid test on the way here but didn't need it or the vaccination card at all.

Saw 6-8 girls, same number of men. Mostly 6-7's, a couple of chubby ones but they were really busy so someone's taste goes that way. Most of the girls are Romanian with a couple Bulgarians thrown in.

Went with Bianca for my first session, nice girls but as always, don't Do this, don't do that" which is a real turnoff for me. Funniest part was when I played with her nipples and they got really hard. She told me she doesn't like that. LOL..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the field report. It was useful for a newbie exploring smaller FKK joints in the NRW region as compared to bigger clubs in Cologne. 30 euros for just drinks and simple sauna is quite pricey compared to bigger clubs but the quality and ratio of "wolves" and "meats made up for the shortfall. Took petite size Christine from Romanian and she an 7.5 to 8 for me. Decent BBBJ before finishing the session for 30 euro for 20 mins session. Saw a tall hottie in shower but didn't asked for the name and too tired to second session. Cheers.

I see happy hour in some of the RTCs back.

10 euro entry between 10 - 12 and after 7pm..30 euro at other times..


[URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pickley;2700613]Stopped by was able to see 4 girls.

Cathey or Katie, long Straight blonde hair. Super cute early 20, a solid 7.5 because she wasn't toned. Still beautiful though. Good service, light kissing. Repeatable.

Alina. Super hot and skinny body with some tattoos, maybe late 20's, 8.5. Everything included but she got a bit impatient when I couldn't pop and we ended the session as a short session. Still repeatable because she was hot.

Sophia and Jessie in a duo. Sophia is a 6.5-7. More of a regular girl body with curves but not toned. Convinced me to do a duo with her friend Jessie or as she called Jezzy. Jessie was a little less in shape but still pretty with great natural tits, I'd rate her a 6. Sophia spoke English so that's why I originally picked her. She promised great service and boy did they deliver. Both kissed a lot more than the other girls and we're very service oriented. I think these girls were in 30's.[/QUOTE]Can you still fuck in this club without condom or? Is it still AO going on in some German clubs?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2717173]Can you still fuck in this club without condom or? Is it still AO going on in some German clubs?[/QUOTE]In these RTC, You find top stunners models to AO creampie like in porn, like more than 10 guys per day. 5 or 6 heavens like this in Germany.

I just read on Freiercafe that smoking has been banned in Arabella since end of June and ladies and customers now smoke outside in the garden.

Wonder what they will do in the winter?

Anyway I welcome the move, as I finished smoking 5.5 years ago and hate it now.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2725550]smoking has been banned in Arabella since end of June and ladies and customers now smoke outside in the garden.

Wonder what they will do in the winter?[/QUOTE]Without gas to feed the heating, everything burning will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2726546]Without gas to feed the heating, everything burning will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yeah could be cold fucking this winter, I'm heading over next Tuesday 9th August for 5 days. Least it won't be cold.

I'm thinking of going to this club for the first time in the Autumn, I'm finding the increased prices and the ability to find a good GFE girl in the Hessen Clubs much harder to find than before. I may need a refreshing change?

It looks from the map that a taxi ride from the airport wouldn't be too expensive but I'm having problems working out the closing times from the clubs website.

Am I correct that the club closes at 5 am on Friday & Saturday but earlier during the week?

Are there any girls available at around 2-5 am?

I'm use to going to Sharks and having 100+ to choose from with a few dozen girls still working late through the night.

Bro these rtc clubs are all daytime action. They close at 10 pm and the girls are always tired by 6 or 7 pm.

Over here in Essen at the moment. Did a full day in Arabella on Wednesday 10/8. No smoking inside now is great. Smoking outside for girls and customers. Apparently they are going to take over one of the bedrooms at the back of the club for smoking in the winter.

7 girls were present. For me only a couple were sexy. Sabrina and Patricia, both sexy and good cums. Also had a new Fat 30's Bulgarian, who had very good English but service mediocre, and young skinny Roberta with real saggy Titten gave a decent session, my 3rd cum.

Cindy was there, she has noticeable cellulite now, also she was coughing alot and seemed unwell. I think she barely did any rooms. I had her twice back in Fruede days and she mediocre so I avoided.

A slim blonde with glasses who I've seen over the years but never sessioned with.

A new pretty girl in mid 20's with long dark hair and glasses. Her 2nd day. No German or English. Body was ok but her back and shoulders were covered in really bad burns scarring. Like she had been thrown into a fire or had acid poured on her. She made a conscious effort to keep her long mane of hair covering it but you could still see it. I probably would have tried her if she didn't have the scars. Oh and she is covered only.

Overall experience in Arabella has certainly gone down since I started visiting in 2017. Back then most girls did DFK, CIM, CIP, allowed fingering of both holes and the whole experience was very GFE.

No alot of the girls are barely doing any of the above.

Also the girls are just on their phones non stop, back in 2017 they were strictly forbidden. Then who remembers around 2019 they had to leave their phones in the glass cases where the photos of the girls were kept.

Now it seems the management have much less control of the girls. Many of them don't seem very interested in sessions at all. Maybe it's because the pimp keeps all the money.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2731057]Bro these rtc clubs are all daytime action. They close at 10 pm and the girls are always tired by 6 or 7 pm.[/QUOTE]Sorry I had a senior moment, I should have posted this in the Acapulco Gold section.

I've just copied it over to there, apologies.

The pic at the bottom is an ad l came across one day that l had walked out from Venus much earlier than expected, to take a walk in the nearby landschaftpark, mentioned in tourist brochures as a must-see! It was the end of June, the day before my outgoing flight, I thought that, since Venus had been the first rtc I had visited, it had to be also the last one.
l had gone back to Germany, as written in my previous post, to take advantage of the 9 euros per month travel card, and to meet again some girls of rlds, not even for the happy hours prices which had been established in all rtcs. In fact, 1 day out of 2 of my stay, l didn't go to clubs but just to rlds. And l never stayed until closing time, never made a room longer than 20 minutes, actually less than 15 counting the trip, the wastes of time and the discussions over the time elapsed/remaining and the other ongoing difficulties. In most "sessions" I didn't unload, in many I didn't get/keep erection. In such a short time I wouldn't finish anyway anyhow, but it was pointless to ask one of these delicate princesses to stay 30 mins or more, because they cannot resist 10 minutes, getting immediately tired, bored, hurt, disappointed, argumentative, etc.

I took this pic because l thought it ironically symbolized the end of my german trips.

It shows a banana, erect. But "krumm" means "soft". My answer to the posed question ("why is your banana soft?") is "because l go to rtcs", but could also be "because l go to Germany for sex".

I don't get any input, any fantasy, any emotion, any arousemente, any spark, l don't fancy any of those reluctant escaping hiding agonizing corpses or would be corpses, full of limits, all nos and pains everywhere, lacking any interest, will, effort, enthusiasm, initiative, participation, committment, passion, etc.
Regardless of the outer look, which, as we all know, is generally quite repulsive on its own, among missing teeth, falling boobs (when present), pot bellies, stretchmarks, cellulitis, kgs in excess which would be the joy of piranhas, etc.
The very few fuckable ones have a viagra-proof attitude, gestures, facial expression, tone of voice, approach, behaviour.
Instead of chemical castration, even to the worst sexual maniac or rapist, it would be enough to show the photo of their faces, in any moment: alone on the couch, with the customer sitting, during the trip to / from the (non) execution room, inside, during the "session". The alone glance by the very most of (theoretical) providers in rtcs would freeze a horny bull.

It was horrible to stay in those clubs helpless, having "hallucinations", "seeing" around the "ghosts" of the gone girls of the past and then, after stroking the eyes, realize that they were just memories, in some moments I considered and sometimes still consider them pure fantasies, fruits of my imagination, because it seems impossible that they exhisted and did what they did how they did. Too striking the contrast, the difference with the present useless "princesses".
Good luck to those who take the challenge and congratulations to those who find happiness there. Said with envy, because l surrendered. I think I will never find the courage to try again to go there or it will take ages

Man some God's must have inspired you to write this masterpiece. !

I born in the 60' and have experienced a debacle in the last covid years.

Come the reign of the qr Jew star.

The chicks more greed and also disturbing old, a lot in last part of 40.

Maybe now is the time of internets fucks and plastic chicks.

Long gone my Thai day.

I thought that Austrian FKK will be a replace, but not all.

I was wrong.

Eastgoing. Well said. I did 5 hours in Villa Venus yesterday. Similar views 😂.

Yeah its grim.

Ill write more later.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2731684]The pic at the bottom is an ad l came across one day that l had walked out from Venus much earlier than expected, to take a walk in the nearby landschaftpark, mentioned in tourist brochures as a must-see! It was the end of June, the day before my outgoing flight, I thought that, since Venus had been the first rtc I had visited, it had to be also the last one.
l had gone back to Germany, as written in my previous post, to take advantage of the 9 euros per month travel card, and to meet again some girls of rlds, not even for the happy hours prices which had been established in all rtcs. In fact, 1 day out of 2 of my stay, l didn't go to clubs but just to rlds. And l never stayed until closing time, never made a room longer than 20 minutes, actually less than 15 counting the trip, the wastes of time and the discussions over the time elapsed/remaining and the other ongoing difficulties. In most "sessions" I didn't unload, in many I didn't get/keep erection. In such a short time I wouldn't finish anyway anyhow, but it was pointless to ask one of these delicate princesses to stay 30 mins or more, because they cannot resist 10 minutes, getting immediately tired, bored, hurt, disappointed, argumentative, etc.

I took this pic because l thought it ironically symbolized the end of my german trips.

It shows a banana, erect. But "krumm" means "soft". My answer to the posed question ("why is your banana soft?") is "because l go to rtcs", but could also be "because l go to Germany for sex".

I don't get any input, any fantasy, any emotion, any arousemente, any spark, l don't fancy any of those reluctant escaping hiding agonizing corpses or would be corpses, full of limits, all nos and pains everywhere, lacking any interest, will, effort, enthusiasm, initiative, participation, committment, passion, etc.
Regardless of the outer look, which, as we all know, is generally quite repulsive on its own, among missing teeth, falling boobs (when present), pot bellies, stretchmarks, cellulitis, kgs in excess which would be the joy of piranhas, etc.
The very few fuckable ones have a viagra-proof attitude, gestures, facial expression, tone of voice, approach, behaviour.
Instead of chemical castration, even to the worst sexual maniac or rapist, it would be enough to show the photo of their faces, in any moment: alone on the couch, with the customer sitting, during the trip to / from the (non) execution room, inside, during the "session". The alone glance by the very most of (theoretical) providers in rtcs would freeze a horny bull.

It was horrible to stay in those clubs helpless, having "hallucinations", "seeing" around the "ghosts" of the gone girls of the past and then, after stroking the eyes, realize that they were just memories, in some moments I considered and sometimes still consider them pure fantasies, fruits of my imagination, because it seems impossible that they exhisted and did what they did how they did. Too striking the contrast, the difference with the present useless "princesses".
Good luck to those who take the challenge and congratulations to those who find happiness there. Said with envy, because l surrendered. I think I will never find the courage to try again to go there or it will take ages[/QUOTE]You don t find top model beauties in cheap low level AO RTC for only 30 ? I m really surprised, when I found on this year a outstanding and so lovely German, a great GFE Hungarian woman, a 18 yo Swiss virgin look and a top full natural Romanian beauty, all found on my own, without asking anybody, so I will keep on enjoying like I started this year. Just have to be able to go where quality. I advice You Gold which is quite cheap, I can t do anything for AO, I just know can sometimes happen and for far higher level than in RTC with uglies.

[QUOTE=Dupont88;2731898]Man some God's must have inspired you to write this masterpiece![/QUOTE]Thanks Dupont88, I am sure many customers who went to rtcs years ago, but even only in 2019, the last year with a few valid girls, will understand my feelings. How can we forget girls opening the entrance door with warm smiles, jumping on us, launching themselves on our laps, hugging us, passionately deep kissing us, sucking us and fucking us on the couches (usually I was shy and didn't want), generally not minding extra free minutes, not sparing efforts to please us, and how can we compare them to the current dummies who don't even look at us staring at them on the couch in front or besides? Using the bag as an absolutely not removable barrier between us? Not letting us touch them until we are in the room, where anyway no kissing, fingering, licking, nearly any other sexual act will be allowed, god forsake encouraged?

On my last day in Venus I identified a new "girl" who had been described as funny, participative and cheerful on freiercafe, I honestly don't remember the name. She was quite chubby for me, I didn't feel like lowering down to try her. After a couple of disastrous rooms with a couple of ugly uncapable "women" you wouldn't fuck on a desert island after the three of you survived a shipwreck, I decided to force myself to take the challenge to fish the whale, hoping in her supposed good attitude to resuscitate my mood and exanimate dick.

She was sitting on the further sofa facing the girls private room by the counter, in the area beyond the wall of the first couches by the entrance. I went to sit on the attached couch, we were perpendicular. There was a little table separating us, where she had the ashtray and a drink. Nobody else around, no tv, no noises, no distractions, only the two of us. Inspite of she smoking and sipping the drink, therefore turning her head in my direction, our eyes never met, we didn't exchange a word, a single grunt. I wasn't acknowledged of exhisting, frustrating my shy attempts to draw attention from somebody 30-40 cms away from me, a (chubby and ugly) prostitute in a (low end) brothel, who should have wanted to earn money.

I was an invisible, mute, intangible ghost, like had been during my (that day short) stay Baby and Andrea, just to mention a couple of the quite a few Venus girls who were in the nearby couches happily smiling at me (or perhaps even laughing at me?) in my nostalgic hallucinations.

I felt (and often feel) like Rambo towards the end of the movie, when asking his colonel where are his fellow-soldiers, he lists a few names. To paraphrase: where are, what happened to Katy, Karina, Ana, Laura, Alina and all those other girls?

After some 10-15 minutes of this s h i t, given the lack of alternatives and my wrecked psychological conditions, I decided to visit the mentioned park and I booked a visit to the Bochum miners' museum for the day after, the last of my stay, following the kind suggestion promptly received from another ex rtc customer, a german!

That's my greatest regret, because it seems it is something unique. Over the years I spent in Germany a few hundreds of days, with several empty ones in last trips. I never bothered to find out if there was something else interesting apart from clubs, rlds and even (shallow) privates. I couldn't visit the museum due to the shameful delays for railworks and road works, affecting trains, trams and buses. I think the 9 euros were set to avoid riots and insurrections of travellers, since a trip Duisburg-Verena (some 60 kms) could take more than 6 hours back and forth, from Duisburg to Bochum (some 35-40 kms?) more than 2 hours (that day more!).

Back to rtcs, tonight a german friend told me that he read on a couple of ao forums that now in Arabella AO costs 10 euros extra. LOL!

P. S: I am writing from Bucharest. I wouldn't be sorry if some ghosts (a Lisa, a Carmen, the Patrizia who used to frighten me with her assaults, just to mention 3 local ex F39 stars) materialized in an underground, park, or, better, in a private!!!

P.S. 2 Wanking, I am curious to read your impressions of the trip.

Sirioja, I always said that the very most rtcs providers were not beautiful, when not unfuckable. Now, and since quite a long while, I complain about the attitude, the service, which was of another planet, something a real-life-real-girlfriend wouldn't get even close to, and now is aligned to the mechanic cold fishes (hunters of extras which provide badly when they keep the word) of more expensive lattex clubs. I visited even Sixth Sense in Holland, Great Palace in Castrop, I didn't see any significant beauty, nor anything worth zimmering, many of them could have enriched the line up of Romantika, Grimberg at max: all low or average looking, uninterested, over make-upped princesses struggling not to fall from their ridiculous 25 cms (or anyway longer than my dick) heels. I just wasted a couple of days and the money of the entrance

Eastgoing my friend thank you for your Requiem for Germany, worthy of the greatest of your country's composers.

I think most red carpet club goers would agree with most of your sentiments, although many of us never scaled the heights of GFE you achieved, so for us the fall from grace is slightly less painful.

Again I think you are right that the optics in many non-rtc clubs has fallen to the point where I sit on the couch thinking that many of the girls are interchangeable with the red carpet club girls. But the real horror in all clubs is the ice cold stare into vacant space by "workers" whose main aim seems to be to avoid any contact with possible paying customers. On all my visits to Luderland in the last two years I have left without going to a room (unless Angela was there), and visits to Arabella and Grimberg have been depressing (so much so that I fell victim to Angie due to her disconnected positivity). Of course there are a few decent girls but they are usually very very busy.

And now the price inflation and service deflation which sees some girls in mainstream clubs asking extra for kissing, licking, is beginning to spread to the red carpet clubs. No way am I going to pay for service to be doled out to me in thin slices. This attitude has destroyed the service concept of FKK. We might as well go to a Laufhaus. Unless we go to an FKK (non-rtc) for food and relax (which according to the girls is what most men now do. Surprise surprise).

But I still go in search of the ineffable experience in clubs and places of all sorts. The problem is that there is so much Precious Princess attitude to wade through. I currently have a beautiful marvellous girl in a mainstream club who keeps me going back for her so I still have a great time. But going to Germany for one girl is too much putting eggs in one basket. My reserve is Chinese Massage salons where I am finding the service is superb. From the moment I enter until I leave I am treated with the utmost respect and care. The drawback of course is that the ladies are older and not exactly top level looks. Costs for an hour in these for all services (except anal) is between 120 and 180 an hour.

My next trip I will be following in your footsteps as I will have no car. I fear I will end up visiting some of the evocative industrial archaeology of NRW (Landschaftspark Nord, Zollverein Schwebebahn and so on).

Cheers.

Wanking. Thanks for the update. Yes, your experience is echoed elsewhere. By the way, Cindy always seems to have a bad cough whenever I have seen her in the last few years. A reason I avoid her (as well as her seeming bewilderment about what she should do in the room).

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2732140]Thanks Dupont88, I am sure many customers who went to rtcs years ago, but even only in 2019, the last year with a few valid girls, will understand my feelings. How can we forget girls opening the entrance door with warm smiles, jumping on us, launching themselves on our laps, hugging us, passionately deep kissing us, sucking us and fucking us on the couches (usually I was shy and didn't want), generally not minding extra free minutes, not sparing efforts to please us, and how can we compare them to the current dummies who don't even look at us staring at them on the couch in front or besides? Using the bag as an absolutely not removable barrier between us? Not letting us touch them until we are in the room, where anyway no kissing, fingering, licking, nearly any other sexual act will be allowed, god forsake encouraged?

On my last day in Venus I identified a new "girl" who had been described as funny, participative and cheerful on freiercafe, I honestly don't remember the name. She was quite chubby for me, I didn't feel like lowering down to try her. After a couple of disastrous rooms with a couple of ugly uncapable "women" you wouldn't fuck on a desert island after the three of you survived a shipwreck, I decided to force myself to take the challenge to fish the whale, hoping in her supposed good attitude to resuscitate my mood and exanimate dick.[/QUOTE]We really don't have same eyes when I never saw any Erika or Ramona or Irina 6 NL in any RTC and I'm fully sure I got higher level more intimate with some much prettier girls with teeth in normal clubs. But yes, a bit more expensive, even girls don t ask extra when full intimacy, we don t speak about, just happening.

My next trip I will be following in your footsteps as I will have no car. I fear I will end up visiting some of the evocative industrial archaeology of NRW (Landschaftspark Nord, Zollverein Schwebebahn and so on).

In that case don't forget to pay a visit at old concentration camp, or for who prefer KZ.

Just in case someone don t know from where German are coming.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2732266] My reserve is Chinese Massage salons where I am finding the service is superb. From the moment I enter until I leave I am treated with the utmost respect and care. The drawback of course is that the ladies are older and not exactly top level looks. Costs for an hour in these for all services (except anal) is between 120 and 180 an hour[/QUOTE]

I fully agree about the superb super service they give. The providers I visit at home are, nearly exclusively, chinese, since some 4,5 years, when they started spreading. For max 50 euros, I get DFK, fingering, CIM, AO, CIP, CIA, rimming, etc with participation, passion, without pains and arguments (unless I take too long and/or mamasan is in the kitchen with next customer waiting). In fact, since long time I haven't felt anymore the need nor the push to go to Germany, since I receive service even superior to that of the rtcs in old good times (imagine compared to the more recent years) by women I can't even talk to because of language barrier.

Even if almond-eyed people look younger than they are, often age and looks are not what one would like to pay for, but are they that better in rtcs?

Years ago, the day before going to Germany, or generally abroad, I used to make max one session, sometimes even zero, because I was going to have an "improvement". This summer instead, between one trip and the other, finally in different countries, I was making 2-3 session a day at home knowing that, once abroad, I would have been lucky to receive a bbj, probably not even finishing or not CIM, for a higher expense. Who knew if and when I could have got AO, at which conditions, costs, etc.

In July I was in Barcelona. After the first 3 days of desperation, I hunted only chinese flats and in one I met an about 33 years old alien phenomenon, who "luckily" doesn't live close to me. I was taking her 3-3,5 hours per session (most customers were booking her for one hour or more, nobody for the possible 20/30/45 minutes of the price list) at the appalling cost of 70/ h, in the end the manager kindly charged me 60. I don't have adjectives to define her service, quality, quantity, endurance, passion, class, etc. What a difference, considering that in rtcs, but nearly also in rlds, I couldn't stay more than the theoretical 20 minutes allowed.

I reckon that the real virus making damages is not covid, but the one who infected romanian prostitutes, which must be about 90% of providers in western Europe (apart probably from Portugal and Spain, colonized by central-south americans). Nearly all of them became uninterested tired cold fishes, both the old glories and the new ones. Even in Bucharest, I casually came across a girl I had sessioned with 10 years ago (!), her service vanished.

To further highlight the romanian crash: in my trip of may, my only rtc "conquest" was a young chubby bulgarian with teeth a bit crooked! In 10 years it had never happened: at hand I'd say zero bulgarian "conquests", always and only romanians! Even in rlds, I had great satisfactions with a bulgarian and a latvian, while the sessions with romanians, like with some other bulgarians, were not that good or just bad.

Summing up, I hope I will soon be able to go to eastern Asia, highly likely Thailand. I think that Europe is a no go, at least until this "virus of uninterested tired cold fishes" afflicting romanians all over will be gone.

P.S. Sirioja, there is no need to make competitions nor rankings about satisfaction, happiness, pleasure, etc. They are individual personal things. Money can help to get them, to some extent, but can't buy everything, nor totally. With the money you say you fork out, you should have some doubts about the "sincerity" of those women who seem to please you so much. With the peanuts I pay (when I pay), I can't have as many doubts ;-)

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2733045]I fully agree about the superb super service they give. The providers I visit at home are, nearly exclusively, chinese, since some 4,5 years, when they started spreading. For max 50 euros, I get DFK, fingering, CIM, AO, CIP, CIA, rimming, etc with participation, passion, without pains and arguments (unless I take too long and/or mamasan is in the kitchen with next customer waiting). In fact, since long time I haven't felt anymore the need nor the push to go to Germany, since I receive service even superior to that of the rtcs in old good times (imagine compared to the more recent years) by women I can't even talk to because of language barrier.[/QUOTE]Many Bulgarians and many bad teeth in RTC and not only since this year. Never saw any top beauty for 30/20, when I saw and got for 40/30 in normal clubs and with very beautiful teeth. RTC only worth to fuck AO, when lower other services level than with good girls in normal clubs, some for only 40/30, not more expensive than in RTC. When I want and work to get love sex meaning really kissing, DATY to make cum the girl because I know and experienced so often how they want to give back and all is matter of behavior for me, more than just technique for porn, but I don't expect for more when I don't want a GF fucked by others. Just love sex and good image, not more. And this still works good for me on 2022 in Germany or Switzerland or even NL where found 2 NL, Romanian being a quality for profiles I look for, when some like to be treated as a woman, easy to feel they are not used and even in private, when they are often surprised from how ou touch them.

I hear from a reliable source that the all room prices in RTCs have increased by 10 euro as of today.

20 minutes - €40.

30 minutes - €50.

40 minutes - €60.

60 minutes - €90.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2733407]I hear from a reliable source that the all room prices in RTCs have increased by 10 euro as of today.

20 minutes - 40.

30 minutes - 50.

40 minutes - 60.

60 minutes - 90.[/QUOTE]More expensive than some normal clubs for 40/30. Maybe will attract some supermodels with beautiful white teeth. Let s run to enjoy them.

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Today revealed by german press agency Reuter the truth about the false summer holidays of FKK girls: photos stolen from a pimps chat prove they are just participating to the German FKK Athletics Championships Of Running Away From Customers.

Girls must first qualify in their own clubs competition, then they will become representative, like flag-bearers, and will be put in groups with those other ones who went through in respective clubs, the same scheme of the UEFA Champions League, but, like in Formula One Racing, the winners are one girl and one club.

Obvious sponsors of the competition, the famous brands Goodyear and Pirelli, so widespread and used in lattex clubs.

The winning girl will receive a miniature (should she ever decide to penetrate herself) of a golden dildo, to remember what a dick looks like, and an instruction booklet to find out how a dick works.

The winning club will receive a truck full of plastic dolls, that will attract customers and multiply the earnings because they will not argue, hide, complain, cheat on timing nor ask for extras.

Bookmakers don't quote, for the internal competition, Arabella's Julia (even if not AO), Alexia and Patrizia because are younger and fit, while they quote Beatris because she's only young and the other ones because, being older and heavier, are more likely to be intercepted and grabbed by a customer, sooner or later.

Problems in Romantika, because at the start it is difficult to distinguish which ones are the (fat) women and which ones are the starting blocks: on first day one T-shirt with a number was placed by mistake on a block and a scandal was risked because it was running faster than the real women, if it had qualified it could have been considered a dodgy rigged competition.

Problems also in Grimberg for the enrollments, because girls hide so well that nobody even knows who is actually there in any given day.

I hope that now that it has been unveiled some tv will broadcast.

10 euro entry from 10 am to 12 pm, and after 7 pm. 30 euro from 12 pm to 7 pm.

I hear prices have increased by 10 euro in Arabella but not in Grimberg.

I was disappointed during my last trip, happy hour was only from 7 pm, so I had to pay 30 in.

I did save alot on public transport with the 9 euro monthly travel card but that ends now in September I believe.

I was out in Germany last week and it was slow at the clubs. The best lineup was at Dietzenbach and they had about a dozen girls. Prices are now $40 plus $10. Only changes I saw was towels are now red and they have soup to eat. I'm horrible with names, but Giulia and Elena were as good as I could expect. I thought the other girl was Deanna and she did CIM. Mira was always busy so didn't get to sample that, but if you like them small she will fit that look. I wished I could have spent more than 1 day in that club.

I then spent most of my time is the North Rhine Westphalia. I got all messed up trying to figure out getting to Villa Venus as the Tram is no longer running, so had to figure out the bus. I counted 6 girls present. It was worth going to see Alexandra. Of all the girls I saw on my trip I rank her as the most attractive and I enjoyed my time with her.

I made it to Arabella and they had 4 girls and I was told 2 more would show up for the weekend. Only Arabella has changed the price. It is now $30 plus $10. I do wonder if other clubs will follow with the new pricing. Alina was present and the other ones I'm not sure of the names. I was still ok with the small lineup as I was their for the happy hour entrance.

I made it to Grimberg twice. First day their were 9 girls and the second time it was down to 6 girls. I did Bonny both days and she's more my type but wished she would be more fun. I had no choice but to try Angie as it's been a few years with her. She has a good hard body and as always she keeps her eyes closed so she doesn't have to look at my ugly ass. I missed out trying Gabriela as she was gone the second day.

I ventured off to Luderland. They had about 6 girls. Andrea and Lori are more my type. Of all the girls I saw Lori was the most GFE type.

I haven't been to La Luna in a very long time, so I took a trip over to Moers. I'm really not even sure what went wrong but I somehow got a coverecd BJ and it was just a disaster. At my age I need a whole different level of lovin to have a chance to have some enjoyment.

Overall I had an ok time on this trip as I know I need to lower my expectations as nothing has returned to the level as it was a few years ago. When possible I waited for the happy hour entrance which was really nice. I need to rethink if my next yearly trip will be back to Germany or somewhere else.

Angie is a girl I've encountered alot in various clubs over the last 5 years but never sessioned with. Not my type.

[QUOTE=GhostrRider1305;2700475]Recently went to Villa Venus just outside Stuttgart. Overall good experience, although my error was going too early in the day.

I got the train from HBF to Fellbach, from here its a short walk to VV, its sat on an industrial estate and first impressions of the building aren't great, but I committed and went in with low expectations.

40 Eur to get in but given a 10 Eur voucher for next visit. Club itself is pretty good, it was clean, facilities were decent and well maintained.

I was there for about 2 pm in the afternoon, and when I arrived I was the only guy there and 4-5 girls, and they couldn't wait to start the hustle, with one really cute Romanian girl all over me before I'd even got to the changing rooms. She was stunning and had a fantastic body, but I've been in enough FKK's to know its worthwhile to walk round and assess first.

So had a little wonder round, still fairly quiet on the number of girls there, but of the 4-5 that were there, all were at least 7's one 9 a Bulgarian girl who came over as soon as I grabbed a drink and sat down. Straight to business, my towel was parted and she starts playing with my cock. She went in at 100 Eur first, but soon dropped to 50 eur.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Villa Venus Fellbach used to be known as FKK Safari.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2599-FKK-Safari-Fellbach[/URL]

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Deklin;2748510]Thanks for the report. Villa Venus Fellbach used to be known as FKK Safari.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2599-FKK-Safari-Fellbach[/URL]

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not a RTC.

What does a RTC mean?

[QUOTE=SargeBob22;2755109]What does a RTC mean?[/QUOTE]Where You will find top beauties as tell one here, to fuck without condom for 30€. Don't miss this.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2755147]Where You will find top beauties as tell one here, to fuck without condom for 30. Don't miss this.[/QUOTE]Where do you find one?

[QUOTE=SargeBob22;2755306]Where do you find one?[/QUOTE]He's fucking with you. Almost all of them are average to unfuckable.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2755411]He's fucking with you. Almost all of them are average to unfuckable.[/QUOTE]Really? When I read one here telling he finds at Aldi girls who would be top beauties at Sharks, but Sharks really fell for looks.

Budgeted 9 days to visit the AO clubs, and actually ended up only going twice. Just feeling generally lazy, and old these days.

Based myself in Mainz, 30 min west of Frankfurt. You get much better value for hotels, and some first rate offerings. Tho no fooling around in that town from what I saw.

Dietzenbach.

First AO club ever visited in Germany, (years ago when public sex was still cool). Have to say this trip sucked. The lineup was not great (and I'm not that picky). Anna was the highlight, but once you've hit that 8 x every year for the last 5+ years it's kind of uninspiring. Usually there's some cute girls-next-door types in here, but not this time. I'm not going to be too harsh, as it is what it is. Let's just say the eye candy was sour. One girl (once in the room) also demanded a rubber. LOL. Next trip will skip Dietzenbach. Sad really, it's like firing an old friend. The lineup was just terrible.

The prices have really gone up as well here. I think it's 50 to get in? (20,30 - can't recall) but do remember it's 50 frigging Euro to bang a girl. Not good. Maybe 50 euro to pound Alice back in day, but it left me with a bad taste in mouth when I was just sampling. Tried 4 girls this trip.

The club itself is a little cleaner, more couches (or better? Towels are now red (instead of white) and not in the shower room. New front door gal is kind of surly. Beer offered for sale.

Grimberg.

Typically stay in Dusseldorf and make my way each day to the different NWR clubs (as have GF in tow). This time I was just plain stupid, and thought. Fuck. I'll just commute from Mainz / Frankfurt. Never will do this again.

I booked the train last min and paid over 100 euro RT from Frankfurt. Left at 5:45 am to catch my 6:45 am train to Gelsenkirchen. Got there, took the tram to the Zoo and walked to the house by 11:30 am or so as trains were late. When I left (more on that later). Had booked a 7:45 pm train back to Mainz. It was delayed, delayed again, etc. Ended up walking through the hotel door at 1:20 am. Almost 24 HR awake to visit Grimberg which is only 3.5 HR away. Doh!

Along with standing outside in cold platform for hours. Hard to explain to GF how I could be 'at work' until 1 am. (sigh).

Grimberg was actually pretty great this trip. Lots of girls - 14+? Not too many sausages, the back patio was open and nice to lay in the winter sun and heat up only to get chilled by nice breeze when sun went behind the clouds. At least until one plump girl took the outside bed over and spent the next hour (hours?) video conferencing her BF on the phone.

Sampled 6 girls. I'm so old now that my dick has gotten 'picky' - it must have just the right pussy / fit in order to cum (or perform). Sad to say didn't creampie any of the girls this time, heart just wasn't in it. But one blonde girl had a great pussy. Felt like fucking a college girl.

What else -.

- No food (which sucked) - so bring your own.

- One Romanian girl with bad teeth refused to let me cum in side (on stomach only) - not that I did, but would have l liked the option.

- One gal was so big it was like trying to screw a sea-saw (as I'm fat too).

- BJs seem perfunctory at best, most just want to lie back and let you work.

- None of the 6 were up for CIM or lesbian stuff.

In general the girls are very good at sizing you up (pun) quickly. And acting like they think you want them too. If you want a girl who will immediately bend over on all fours and spread, or if you just want to goof around and play. They can be both. Kiss or not kiss etc.

20 euro entry and 30 euro a pop was the sweet spot. I love this pricing (no tips). This allows you to sample as much as you want without the pain or having your wallet cry.

By 3:30, I had done my 6 girls, and realized it was hopeless. So left. Walked down to the zoo to take some photographs, but then got stingy and didn't want to pay 17 euro to get in. So went back to station. They wouldn't allow me to change my tix, would have had to buy a 1 way for 90 euro. So ended up waiting from 4 pm - 10:30 pm (when train finally arrived) in Gel Hbf (not fun!

Next time will stay in Gel, Duisiberg or the like.

Franfurt HbF.

Also stayed a few days in Frankfurt, at a nice hotel by Hbf. Fuck this place man, it has always been shady. But it was also being gentrified by hipsters moving into area. I guess Covid meant that people weren't coming into the area, the cool places shut down, business men weren't commuting through the station and travelers stopped coming and hotels shut.

Essentially the entire area by RLD and station was taken over by zombies. We would regularly walk out and see groups of people cooking their crack and shooting heroin. Maybe hundreds of addicts everywhere. Along with recent immigrants. I always stay in Hbf area for ease of commute to clubs. But next time (if there is one) will stay near Römerberg.

Dr. Muller Kino is now closed upstairs. Permanently so says the bored manager in the back that didn't even bother to make eye contact. A lot of good cafes and restaurants have done the same.

In general the people I talked to in Germany were a bit more severe (unkind) than normal. Not sure where this comes from.

Was an eleven day stay for 10 shags worth it? Well, obviously not. But that problem was more mine than the clubs.

[QUOTE=SargeBob22;2755109]What does a RTC mean?[/QUOTE]Rote Teppich Club = Read Carpet Club.

Hi All,

Its been years since I been back to Germany, I remember meeting poster Cowboy at Dietz. Can someone tell what the price is for Arabella's and Grim? I do not want to be taken advantage of.

I remember venturing to Angelic's before they shutdown, I liked it there! But it was a far drive. I will be arriving from my tour in Zurich. I remember Arabella's had some serious hot girls' in the day!

[QUOTE=BbfsOnly;2763293]Hi All,

Its been years since I been back to Germany, I remember meeting poster Cowboy at Dietz. Can someone tell what the price is for Arabella's and Grim? I do not want to be taken advantage of.

I remember venturing to Angelic's before they shutdown, I liked it there! But it was a far drive. I will be arriving from my tour in Zurich. I remember Arabella's had some serious hot girls' in the day![/QUOTE]Same pretties in RTC than in ZH.

[QUOTE=SargeBob22;2755109]What does a RTC mean?[/QUOTE]If you looked back a few pages you would understand. RTC = Rote Teppen Club, a pun on the owner putting the same red carpet in the clubs he originally owned. It's small clubs with no amenities when you have no condom sex, it used to be said that few of these girls would be able to work in an FKK but these days they could if they choose.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2763511]Same pretties in RTC than in ZH.[/QUOTE]Zurich must be bad then, (Yes I know you were trying to be funny but new visitors would not get it.).

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Plan to hit Arabella and Grimberg. Plus some swingers clubs.

Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up.

Might hit accagold one of the days.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2777228]Plan to hit Arabella and Grimberg. Plus some swingers clubs.

Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up.

Might hit accagold one of the days.[/QUOTE]I will be in Dusseldorf, the first week of April. I went to Arabella's like 10? 15 years ago, they had pretty woman there! Please do a report and tell me if you still see pretty young things.

Please update me on the pricing, its been years! I remember going to Angelic's also!

There were 8 women yesterday:

Emilia.

Aylin.

Cindy.

Laura.

Melissa.

Sabrina.

Elly.

Diana.

Prices are still the same,
30 entry,
20 minutes - 30,
30 minutes - 40,
40 minutes - 50,
60 minutes - 80.

Most girls still offering very unrestricted service for no extra. DFK is less no but some still do it. Some are Ao lite. Some allow fingering.

Club was moderately busy in the morning, quiet in the afternoon and got very busy from 6 pm.

Highlights for me.

Melissa Bulg, 30's. Closest thing to a South American lady in the Rtcs with her dark skin and huge Arsche. She offers bare anal for 50 extra, but I didn't partake. Also her BBBJ isn't the best. Stll it was a good session and I loved her massive arsche on my face. Gave her my 3 day load in reverse cowgirl.

She was very quiet and not popular among the locals. She doesn't really allow her nipples to be touched or sucked either. So she is restrictive in ways. Still worked for me.

Emilia, bulg 29. Pretty face with blonde hair. Seemed a bit stoned but service was amazing. Most tabulous girl I've come across in a while. Deep kissing, pussy wet with licking. True amazing blowjob. Very popular girl. She was being taken as soon as she sat down again. Very satisfying cum on her tits although we did agree CIM but it must have got lost in translation. Repeat factor - 100 %.

Elly, Ro 24 - most popular girl yesterday. Non stop sessions, but I manged to nab her. Very white skin and slim with huge big natural tits. Arse too small for my liking. She speaks little German but great English. We had plenty of nice chat. Service was ok, good 69, and she wanked me off onto my belly.
When I was leaving she ran over and gave me a big kiss on the cheek 😘.

Still all good in Arabella. No food since covid times but I brought some. Vibe is a bit boring with mostly older local clientele, Grimberg has a more fun vibe but I always find overall service better in Arabella.

See [URL]https://www.clublaluna.com/[/URL].

I recommend Grimberg. Extra-Service is still included in the regular prices. I never had a girl there that charges more.

In Arabella the girls are more unreliable.

Concerning Villa Venus, extra service for which the Rtcs are known for costs 10 € per Session more since last Week. For all the girls!

So I stick with grimberg.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2777228]Plan to hit Arabella and Grimberg. Plus some swingers clubs.

Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up.

Might hit accagold one of the days.[/QUOTE]Did you visit Grimberg too. Would like to visit in first week of May.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2796401]See [URL]https://www.clublaluna.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]They might re-open in April: [URL]https://www.clublaluna.com/blog/news-22840.html[/URL].

Hi friends.

Will be in Dusseldorf for three or 4 nights to visit Saunas in July. Never being to an AO / RTC. Wish to visit Sauna Grimberg to maintain budget and to explore an AO club. Can I bring my own food and beer and keep it in my locker? Do the girls are friendly? Do the club have any swimming pool or sauna to spend some time?

Tipswill highly appreciated.

Regards.

I will be in RTC land next weekend, which places are best at this time? On my last trip, Grimberg was better than Arabella. Usually it's #1 Luderland, #2 Arabella, #3 Grimberg & #4 Verena.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2812354]I will be in RTC land next weekend, which places are best at this time? On my last trip, Grimberg was better than Arabella. Usually it's #1 Luderland, #2 Arabella, #3 Grimberg & #4 Verena.[/QUOTE]Supermodels in all, for 30 .

It feel like to visit an AO / RTC is better compared to visit Laufhauses in NRW area. 30 entry with friendly atmosphere and pocket friendly. Place where can take break from FKKs to balance things.

See [URL]https://www.clublaluna.com/.[/URL].

Website mentions reopening since April 25th.

It also mentions that a list of girls present will no longer be available.

Well, their website has not been correct for several years, I'm afraid.

I was there only once for a very short visit several years ago.

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;2815181]See [URL]https://www.clublaluna.com/.[/URL].

Website mentions reopening since April 25th.

It also mentions that a list of girls present will no longer be available.

Well, their website has not been correct for several years, I'm afraid.

I was there only once for a very short visit several years ago.[/QUOTE]Can remember in the good old days when they had many girls there in the FKK days. Changed days nowadays.

Or in English: the legend lives on.

I'm not so sure.

What's their problem (for months or years on end, already)?

Guys, I am planning a visit to Dussledorf next year. I plan to go for two nights, Friday and Saturday. Can someone tell me which AO club is the biggest in the area?

I will go to a club on Friday and a different one on Saturday, obviously Saturday will be reserved for the biggest and best club.

Thanks.

Did one day in arabella and 2 days in Grimberg. The clubs have a timeless feel about them. Mostly same girls forever but a few new ones trickle thru ongoing.

Girls in Arabella are more happy to let me lick them out on the couches than in Grimberg. Grimberg is busier and has a more party vibe. Arabella can be really quiet nowadays even with the happy hour entry price.

Magda in Grimberg still giving proper old school FKK GFE service with deep kissing, light fingering, great blow and much more. Most girls not kissing much since covid.

Daria is also very sexy and entertaining.

Did 2 parties in P3 swingers club which is 1 mile from arabella, got a nice bit on the first night and only groping on the 2nd night. Amazing buffet and free booze. A must for 44 euro.

Did an afternoon in Medi Therme mixed naked sauna. Man the sheer amount of naked young German girls is off the scale. I'm talking maybe 200 in the 4 hours I was there. Pity ya can't shag them. 😏.

All in all good times plus I met up with several guys, from here and another forum also.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2869520]Did one day in arabella and 2 days in Grimberg.[/QUOTE]Great report! I've been away since before COVID. But soon!

Sorry for a mundane question, but what is the typical charge for 30 minutes AO GFE? And cover?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2869538]Great report! I've been away since before COVID. But soon!

Sorry for a mundane question, but what is the typical charge for 30 minutes AO GFE? And cover?[/QUOTE]Hey bro, it's 40 for 30 mins. Entry is 30 normally but Arabella currently has happy hour as low as 10 euro.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2869586]Hey bro, it's 40 for 30 mins. Entry is 30 normally but Arabella currently has happy hour as low as 10 euro.[/QUOTE]Thanks! It seems like prices for regular FKKs (Sharks, Oase, etc) have risen up to as much as 150 for 30 min. It's hard to see how the market can continue to support such a large differential.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2870013]Thanks! It seems like prices for regular FKKs (Sharks, Oase, etc) have risen up to as much as 150 for 30 min. It's hard to see how the market can continue to support such a large differential.[/QUOTE]Today, I paid a elegant real Russian who is very GFE and fucked her so much for 150/60 .

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2870040]Today, I paid a elegant real Russian who is very GFE and fucked her so much for 150/60 .[/QUOTE]Cool. I'the pay that for reliable service. And where was this?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2870158]Cool. I'the pay that for reliable service. And where was this?[/QUOTE]At GG, only about 25 girls on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, but You can find higher levels than at Sharks, for around 70 per 30 . My best value in FKK land, when at Wellcum, Juliet. Ro really fkissed for 140/60 but not same level for foreplay and fucking than I m used at GG. Sena. Ro and Tara. Ro are excellent at Sharks for 150/60 , but I doubt for 75 for 30 mn, but I m not a only 30 mn specialist, when Tara BJ and more, worth more than only 30 fast mn. But GG is not where to find schoolgirls, when I prefer woman types with no silicon, no acid and no tattoo, but immaculate clean look. Best rooms with windows to enjoy at GG. Far higher level than Bruggen.

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;2815684]Or in English: the legend lives on.

I'm not so sure.

What's their problem (for months or years on end, already)?[/QUOTE]I struck lucky there a short time ago and had some sessions with one of the most intelligent, educated, and beautiful girls ever. She has however now left. Normally she worked at Oceans (or was it Magnum.) and as an escort, and was week ending at La Luna (charging La Luna rates) to avoid drunken oafs. Service was not inclusive of the La Luna speciality, but I chose her in preference to the other workers.

That's why I never write a club off

Arabella is very busy again. Lots of clients and some new girls. I had very good service from Antonia, including DFK. And decent sessions with MILF Andrea. Hung out with the cool American guy who spends alot of time here.

I had an even better day in grimberg yesterday. Met up with my ole mate Dark Vader From the Forum here. Club was less crowded than Arabella and the overall vibe was better. Really good service from Jasmine, Bonny and Erica including some public action.

Staying in Bochum and heading to P3 swingers in the afternoon today Sunday 28th.

For tip, seem best is in Leverkusen since a while. But I prefer elegant beauties in normal clubs, when as I told girls, my best pleasure is more in eyes and brain than little death just losing pressure, when I try to keep on fucking after little death, maybe willing not to die, not yet despite risks like free ride fall.

Had a mediocre Day in p3 swingers on Sunday, although I easily got the 44 Euro entry fee in worth of booze and buffet.

Filled the wank bank watching some very sexy Milfs being shagged.

Back in Arabella today, was a cracking day. Club had been really busy over the weekend and the girls all had made alot of money. Club was quiet today but the girls didn't mind. Real fun chill atmosphere with some dancing and Nice to see the girls relaxing and being happy.

Was Also hanging out with my American mate again.

8 ladies in attendance and I had 4 of them, all solid sessions, especially Andrea with glasses, totally GFE. 30 minutes 40 euro and entry 20. I was there 8 hours and spent 180.

Lineup.

Andrea glasses.

Andrea former venus.

Antonia.

Anka.

Nicole.

Simone.

Cindy. Love that Arse 👅.

2 more whose names I don't know.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2889441]Arabella is very busy again. Lots of clients and some new girls. I had very good service from Antonia, including DFK. And decent sessions with MILF Andrea. Hung out with the cool American guy who spends alot of time here.

I had an even better day in grimberg yesterday. Met up with my ole mate Dark Vader From the Forum here. Club was less crowded than Arabella and the overall vibe was better. Really good service from Jasmine, Bonny and Erica including some public action.

Staying in Bochum and heading to P3 swingers in the afternoon today Sunday 28th.[/QUOTE]The brought back public action? I was there before the band on that. Thought it was cool as hell.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2889825]Had a mediocre Day in p3 swingers on Sunday, although I easily got the 44 Euro entry fee in worth of booze and buffet.[/QUOTE]Getting into p3 as a non german single guy?

[QUOTE=BbfsOnly;2891095]The brought back public action? I was there before the band on that. Thought it was cool as hell.[/QUOTE]Licking pussy is still actually legal in the clubs. That's the most public action really, plus some kissing and handjobs.

When the law changed in 2017, it banned BBBJ and bare fucking but licking pussy was still allowed, and fuck knows I love to lick thee cunny and thee arche 👅

[QUOTE=Wanking;2891305]That's the most public action really, plus some kissing and handjobs.
[/QUOTE]Well, normally I also prefer Grimberg for the better vibe, and especially in the last summer FKK Arabella was just a shitshow compared to Grimberg. But since December it feels like in the good old days again. I've seen others and also acted myself some naughty naughty stuff in the Arabella lounge-area. Lets leave it at that, you know what I mean. Arabella is currently THE place for all Rtcs. Its a snapshot of the current situation, and if the german Forums do not go into too much details I hope it will keep this way a little bit longer. I remember situations last Summer in Grimberg where it went all haywire on the balcony for a couple of weeks, until too many Forums went into too much details, and Justina had to step on the brakes henceforth. I hope this momentumin in Arabella keeps as long as possible. It is rad.

[QUOTE=Piggsy;2891270]Getting into p3 as a non german single guy?[/QUOTE]Just turn up and pay your money.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2891305]Licking pussy is still actually legal in the clubs. That's the most public action really, plus some kissing and handjobs.

When the law changed in 2017, it banned BBBJ and bare fucking but licking pussy was still allowed, and fuck knows I love to lick thee cunny and thee arche 👅[/QUOTE]As far I remember, joke 2017 law forbid all orals: kissing, DATY and BBBJ, but fortunately just a joke law, and all remain standard, even some pimped girls don t want licking because they don t want to cum, when DATY is the easiest to make cum most girls, but pimped want to stay loyal to pimp. AO still standard in RTC. In normal clubs, real FK may be the less standard, when BBBJ still very standard, when some girls look for extra for CIM and saving vagina, when I much prefer to fuck, a real fucker, more than in 20's guys as say my regulars. For sure, as long I will be able. Funny, when not using company WRC2, but pushing V8 start, often getting hard when hearing sound and also when seat push my back.

Hey Guys,

Anyone knows if or when blond Alexandra will be returning to Villa Venus?

I read on friercafe that she is or was on vacation since January and maybe returning soon.

Appreciate any updates or alternatively if she has changed clubs.

Thanks. Howie.

Great day in Grimberg today with 3 ISG buddies I've known for years. Around 12 girls, I had 4 sessions and came twice. Also gave 3 girl's long massages which I love doing, lovely letting my hands explore for free.

I had 3 x 20 min sessions at 30 each and 1 x 30 min session at 40 and entry 30 euro.

So Total 160 Euro. Best value in Europe.

Plenty Of public action upstairs including one kinky old Fart who had a girl fist him up the arse, she wore a big plastic glove up to her shoulder like a vet would wear when sticking his arm inside an Elephant 😮.

Arabella today, 15 euro happy hour entry. Really good vibe. 12 Girls and most seemed happy, guess they are high on something, alot of giggling and joking, better than having them all sour. Nice bit of public action too.

Had 4 quality sessions and came twice. 4 cums in 2 days, not bad for an older guy💪.

4 x 30 min sessions 160 euro.

Anna a former Dietz girl is there now. I remember her from Dietz, 7 years since I was there. She still looks good.

Thanks to Wanking for the updates I was convinced to give this area a try.

Visited Grimberg 14/3 and while it was "quiet", its changed how I will plan my future locations. This area will be my new basecamp.

Had 2 sessions. Selena and Vanessa. Very satisfied. Good attitude. No public action this day and I could see some gents were disappointed with this. Since I'm sticking around for a bit ill give it a go.

Tomorrow. Arabella. Ill follow in Wankings footsteps for now.

I guess I missed you by a day in each club.

Plan to hit Grim tomorrow 16 and Arabella sun 17.

Took it easy today and went to Meditherme Sauna resort to recover, spent 6 hours there, wonderful with the various whirlpools and sauna infusions. Amazing amount of young naked hotties there. Pity we can't shag them😬 Good value for 40 euro.

Best at Arabella is apple juice for HH 15 , when impossible to pay for looks making eyes crying.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2901847]Best at Arabella is apple juice for HH 15 , when impossible to pay for looks making eyes crying.[/QUOTE]When can still find high level girls in Germany, like I enjoyed on Saturday at GG and could have also enjoyed at least Italia, my tip for low level cheap RTC is best looks are at Luder, could work at Sharks and one even at Globe, when impossible for me to pay for uglies.

Followed the reviews and buzz into this RTC. It's quite different than your typical FKK like Sharks or GG. 100% old school German clientele. Not a word of English in the place, so do your German homework beforehand. Coffee, tea, Fanta only, no food. They had a small sauna but I didn't partake. Showers downstairs adequate. Towels only, no robes. Entrance 15 HH or 30 full freight. They use a loveseat system. If you see an empty couch with a towel in it, the provider is in a room and you can sit on that couch to wait for her return. Prices crazy good, 30/20, 40/30. LU mixed, we're talking 5's and 6's, not 8's and above. A few of them are doable, most of them have bubbly personalities and playful, fun. Cindy is a winner. Excellent CBJ, my choice. Excellent GV, active participant. Would repeat. Laura has a great body but was fake and mechanical. She kept urging me to cum almost as soon as I was inside her. It takes me at least 10 minutes of fucking before I can even get close to finishing. Her constant demands that I cum were distracting and irritating. Cindy was way better.

[URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL]

Arabella is now 20 euro happy hour price.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL]

These prices are constantly changing.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2903585][URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL]

Arabella is now 20 euro happy hour price.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL]

These prices are constantly changing.[/QUOTE]Cheers I am planning a trip in April. Will have one day and night and booked a hotel at central theüsseldorf. I have read this thread and can't make up my mind whether to hit Grim or Arabella. I don't think I have the energy to do both in on day / night. Are they both equally good quality. I noticed connection to Bochum is slightly better than Grimberg so I might opt for this based on convenience. Will be great for suggestions from those who have been to both.

Been to Grimberg, if you are a fan of exhibitionism in the lounge area, Arabella was the place to go in the last months, but Grimberg has caught up like in the good old days.

[QUOTE=Edh007;2903630]Cheers I am planning a trip in April. Will have one day and night and booked a hotel at central thesseldorf. I have read this thread and can't make up my mind whether to hit Grim or Arabella. I don't think I have the energy to do both in on day / night. Are they both equally good quality. I noticed connection to Bochum is slightly better than Grimberg so I might opt for this based on convenience. Will be great for suggestions from those who have been to both.[/QUOTE]I have been to both in a single afternoon twice before.

Took train from Duisburg to Bochum. Then 2 X trams to Grimberg. Then stopped at Arabella on the way back to Bochum, as the route back to Bochum passes through Arabella. No problem at all (provided that trains and trams are not on strike). Had only one shot in each club, as the line ups then were not good.

Finally, at night, I took a tram from Duisburg to Villa Venus, which at that time had the best line up of the 3.

So, yes, you can do 3 clubs quite easily.

On the 2nd occasion, I did Grimberg, followed by Arabella and Freude (closed for sometime due to roadworks). Also, with time to spare before heading back to Duisburg.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2903658]I have been to both in a single afternoon twice before.


So, yes, you can do 3 clubs quite easily.

On the 2nd occasion, I did Grimberg, followed by Arabella and Freude (closed for sometime due to roadworks). Also, with time to spare before heading back to Duisburg.[/QUOTE]Awesome stuff, I found super cheap flights so I can always extend and book new return tickets if I feel I need more drainage 😂.

How would all of you compare Grimberg with Acapulco and Penelope? I'm considering visit because its close where am I right now.

[QUOTE=DelRey10;2905001]How would all of you compare Grimberg with Acapulco and Penelope? I'm considering visit because its close where am I right now.[/QUOTE]At Acapulco Gold and Penelope which are brother, You can eat for entry 30 . No foods at Grimberg for entry 30 . I got wow girls at Gold and Penelope for 1 h30 or 2 hours in rooms with shower or window, not same at Grimberg. Grimberg girls now at Penelope. Castings are now not full under Ramadan.

Grimberg only worth for AO and nothing more. Not pretties.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2905390]Grimberg only worth for AO and nothing more. Not pretties.[/QUOTE]And good service for low price.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2905577]And good service for low price.[/QUOTE]And much better service AND price then in Golden Gate (there almost no girls that offer DFK for less than Euro 200/60).

[QUOTE=Wanking;2905577]And good service for low price.[/QUOTE]No good service for me with a ugly, nor in 20 mn, but just cheap for rabbit. Good service for me is with a beauty who make me dream. I m happy because I still find for 100/150 , rediscovering one on this week end who really improved as a woman in bed, when I touched deep her woman part. I prefer to pay 100 for such magic than 30 for a ugly with bad teeth.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2905390]Grimberg only worth for AO and nothing more. Not pretties.[/QUOTE]Have you seen Sarah or Selina? They are very pretty!

I've only been to Acapulco and Penelope so I know what to expect. I will definitely visit on the weekend.

Thanks everyone for reply.

[QUOTE=ExverLobter;2905671]Have you seen Sarah or Selina? They are very pretty![/QUOTE]No, both are not very pretty, or you never saw pretties in normal FKK. Grimberg is cheap low level. My tip: go to Luder and you will see prettier.

I know you clearly dislike Rtcs so why don't you stay away from this part of the forum. You really add nothing here.

[QUOTE=DelRey10;2905790]I've only been to Acapulco and Penelope so I know what to expect. I will definitely visit on the weekend.

Thanks everyone for reply.[/QUOTE]At Penelope, You have pretties for 50/30 . In RTC, You have uglies for 30/20 . Just matter of arithmetics, and no foods and very bad drinks.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2905831]I know you clearly dislike Rtcs so why don't you stay away from this part of the forum. You really add nothing here.[/QUOTE]I know guys go because they want AO sex, but compare to what I get in normal clubs and rooms at GG, or even rooms 2 or 3 or 12 at Penelope, can t be told high level in RTC when girls are not pretty compare to girls I pay for in normal club, can t be same GFE in less than 20 mn than in 60+ and even I don t run for, but was so much more magic when girls didn t use, nor asking extra, when I didn't ask, but just happened and then, repeating same. RTC are just for cheap AO, not for quality, when I look for, reason why GG is my best, for rooms upstairs quality and few girls, now 3 and it will be complicated now for me to manage between them. 3 really high level.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2905831]I know you clearly dislike Rtcs so why don't you stay away from this part of the forum. You really add nothing here.[/QUOTE]Because he is a troll.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2905982]Because he is a troll.[/QUOTE]But I visited and know who are gypsy Sara, and Selina, and prettier at Luder Leverkusen.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2905915]I know guys go because they want AO sex, but compare to what I get in normal clubs and rooms at GG, or even rooms 2 or 3 or 12 at Penelope, can t be told high level in RTC when girls are not pretty compare to girls I pay for in normal club, can t be same GFE in less than 20 mn than in 60+ and even I don t run for, but was so much more magic when girls didn t use, nor asking extra, when I didn't ask, but just happened and then, repeating same. RTC are just for cheap AO, not for quality, when I look for, reason why GG is my best, for rooms upstairs quality and few girls, now 3 and it will be complicated now for me to manage between them. 3 really high level.[/QUOTE]Word. You were spot on with your comment Wan King. What Sirioja has a hard time understanding is that 'different folks, different strokes' applies very much for the girls. While I really prefer GND types, he worships optic top girls with an equal amount of arrogance as silicone. Even if you have been there once does not mean you have to comment every single time in every club thread, especially when you don't bring anything new or interesting to the table!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2905982]Because he is a troll.[/QUOTE]He has 22000 posts, most of which are just irrelevant waffle which are just clogging up the forum. Written in fake bad English. He constantly bashes the Rtc girls because they are not the scrawny model types he likes. The Forum would be much better without Sirioja.

I have met many ISG members in clubs who say they have dont read the forum or post anymore because of the annoyance of Siriojas bullshit posts.

[QUOTE=Sucker17;2906646]Word. You were spot on with your comment Wan King. What Sirioja has a hard time understanding is that 'different folks, different strokes' applies very much for the girls. While I really prefer GND types, he worships optic top girls with an equal amount of arrogance as silicone. Even if you have been there once does not mean you have to comment every single time in every club thread, especially when you don't bring anything new or interesting to the table![/QUOTE]But I wrote here: prettier than gypsy Sara and milky skin Selina is full natural Alexa at Luder who has look to make business at Sharks. How can I guess this? Just being a bit professionnal, working with my head.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2906675]He has 22000 posts, most of which are just irrelevant waffle which are just clogging up the forum. Written in fake bad English. He constantly bashes the Rtc girls because they are not the scrawny model types he likes. The Forum would be much better without Sirioja.

I have met many ISG members in clubs who say they have dont read the forum or post anymore because of the annoyance of Siriojas bullshit posts.[/QUOTE]Luckily there is the ignore list on this Forum. He's been part of it for a long time.
I suggest all other guys to do the same, stop feed the troll.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2906675]He has 22000 posts, most of which are just irrelevant waffle which are just clogging up the forum. Written in fake bad English. He constantly bashes the Rtc girls because they are not the scrawny model types he likes. The Forum would be much better without Sirioja.

I have met many ISG members in clubs who say they have dont read the forum or post anymore because of the annoyance of Siriojas bullshit posts.[/QUOTE]I thank you for confirming once more how I am and feel different in this business, confirmed by most girls I meet, and I m very happy about this and reason why I prefer to avoid guys in brothels, even French.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2906819]I prefer to avoid guys in brothels, even French.[/QUOTE]Please do the same here and avoid everyone on this forum by disappearing.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2906905]Please do the same here and avoid everyone on this forum by disappearing.[/QUOTE]We don't live same experience in FKK land, not same standards, but no problem for me as long I find good quality for my money spent.

Freude 39 Bochum should reopen.

Did these clubs in one day. Been a few years since Villa Venus so I forgot where the lockers / showers were. After paying 30 e entry with one of the girls (not the house-mom), I walked straight ahead with my key and towels and got lost. When I went back to the stairwell to go downstairs to the lockers a patron and girl asked me if I had paid. I showed them my key and apparently they were not satisfied until I confirmed. I went around 14 h00 and it was pretty busy. There were guys in almost every seat and all but three girls were busy. As been commented before, these women are not the hottest, but they do seem to have more fun than many of the transactional sex from the big FKKs. I did a warm up without finishing with Sonja. Then a double with a round bottomed blonde and her dark haired friend. At first the blonde wanted me to wet-wipe if I was going to insert after her friend but then didn't care. They didn't seem to be an experienced double as I had to talk them through the fantasy positions. Funny thing, halfway into our session they wanted to open the door and let the other guys in the "living room" enjoy our show. They really hammed it up as they basically fake-moaned the rest if the session. All three claimed to be Moldovian and only the round blonde spoke English (she visits from the London and doesn't speak German). The blonde did not kiss.

Drive to Arabella, couldn't find parking in their lot so parked across the street in front of the car dealership as it started to hailstorm rain. It was around 19 h00 and similarly busy as VV. First time there so the house-mom asked one of the patrons to explain the setup as it was clear I spoke no German and neither did the available girls. Paid the 20 e entry fee and showered at the locker room. The "living room" concept is the same as Villa Venus but they have a sauna kind of surrounded by the lining room couches. After a chat with Victoria as she had a smoke-kissed me-played with my penis-a quick suck. We decided to zimmer. She was Ro with a latina body which I prefer. As I didn't see anyone else I was interested in later in the evening, I fucked her again but this time in the sauna. Others were watching but didn't make it obvious. I loved the sweaty sex. Both clubs had public BJs before head to the rooms. Every session was 40 e +tip (sauna sex extra but didn't ask for extra for surprise CIM. Good times, nice ladies and great value.

So here the potential SCAM Alert. When I went to my car parked in front of the dealership, a guy approached me and asked for money because I parked in front of his business. He wanted 5 euros and said everyone else who parked there pays. Said if I didn't pay he will take a picture if my license and call the police. I resisted and sat in the car. He changed to 2 euros and I refused and told him to call the police. He very well could have owned the business but I didn't see any signs saying I can't park there (not that I could have read German anyhow). I drove away and am waiting for his invoice in my mailbox.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2909954]Did these clubs in one day. Been a few years since Villa Venus so I forgot where the lockers / showers were. After paying 30 e entry with one of the girls (not the house-mom), I walked straight ahead with my key and towels and got lost. When I went back to the stairwell to go downstairs to the lockers a patron and girl asked me if I had paid. I showed them my key and apparently they were not satisfied until I confirmed. I went around 14 h00 and it was pretty busy. There were guys in almost every seat and all but three girls were busy. As been commented before, these women are not the hottest, but they do seem to have more fun than many of the transactional sex from the big FKKs. I did a warm up without finishing with Sonja. Then a double with a round bottomed blonde and her dark haired friend. At first the blonde wanted me to wet-wipe if I was going to insert after her friend but then didn't care. They didn't seem to be an experienced double as I had to talk them through the fantasy positions. Funny thing, halfway into our session they wanted to open the door and let the other guys in the "living room" enjoy our show. They really hammed it up as they basically fake-moaned the rest if the session. All three claimed to be Moldovian and only the round blonde spoke English (she visits from the London and doesn't speak German). The blonde did not kiss.

Drive to Arabella, couldn't find parking in their lot so parked across the street in front of the car dealership as it started to hailstorm rain..[/QUOTE]Great report, I am looking forward to my trip.

Did 3 days in Arabella.

Had good rooms with Sabrina, Laura, Antonia. Laura twice.

Had a shity room with new girl Monika, she kept trying to go on her phone till I shouted at her. She is pretty and very white skinned with blue eyes. Doubtful she will last there.

Did one day Grimberg, had 2 good sessions, first with Bulgarian young newbie Andrea. She's new and very submissive, totally unrushed service which was great. She is also super Pretty and petite, so she is busy.

Had Bulgarian Mira then, small and voluptuous brunette in her 40's, huge tits and Big arse which I really enjoyed 👅. Very dark skin so could pass for South American. Service was good.

Weather was excellent and the vibe was very laid back in the clubs, with most guys and girls hanging outside alot.

Had some good chats with various international guests and locals too.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2915875]Did 3 days in Arabella.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the timely report as I will be there in little over a week, I have four days in the area before I head to Nuremburg. The plan is Arabella, Grimberg and Luderland.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2915893]Thanks for the timely report as I will be there in little over a week, I have four days in the area before I head to Nuremburg. The plan is Arabella, Grimberg and Luderland.[/QUOTE]Prettiest seen, not wow, are 2 Romanians looking like sisters at Luder, far prettier than with so average body, new Andrea. Bu, smelling so much misery.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2909954]Did these clubs in one day. Been a few years since Villa Venus so I forgot where the lockers / showers were. [/QUOTE]Hi, I've never been to one of these AO's and going to try soon. Do you have to bring your own lock for lockers at these places or are they provided?

[QUOTE=Ibanezz;2916260]Hi, I've never been to one of these AO's and going to try soon. Do you have to bring your own lock for lockers at these places or are they provided?[/QUOTE]Lockers key like in any other normal club and also small lockers for values.

[QUOTE=Ibanezz;2916260]Hi, I've never been to one of these AO's and going to try soon. Do you have to bring your own lock for lockers at these places or are they provided?[/QUOTE]You don't need your own lock but be aware that what they have are not too secure, don't bring any valuables with you other than cash to pay the girls.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2915875]Did 3 days in Arabella.

Did one day Grimberg, had 2 good sessions, first with Bulgarian young newbie Andrea. She's new and very submissive, totally unrushed service which was great. She is also super Pretty and petite, so she is busy.

.[/QUOTE]I had Andrea about 2 months before at Grimberg. Good Service but back then she wanted you to pull out before. Has that changed?

I had been there one the weekend. Nice session with Angie on the couch, and then some intimate ones in the room with the stunner Sara and then with the vuluptious blonde Julia who also has huge boobs. She has also one of the most beautiful natural faces there right now, as Sara is unfortunately more and more starting to look as artificial as Kim Kardashian.

She's still ao lite.

[QUOTE=ExverLobter;2916578]I had Andrea about 2 months before at Grimberg. Good Service but back then she wanted you to pull out before. Has that changed?

I had been there one the weekend. Nice session with Angie on the couch, and then some intimate ones in the room with the stunner Sara and then with the vuluptious blonde Julia who also has huge boobs. She has also one of the most beautiful natural faces there right now, as Sara is unfortunately more and more starting to look as artificial as Kim Kardashian.[/QUOTE]Very short, gypsy Sara, a stunner? Maybe I didn't understand the meaning of this word.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2917096]Very short, gypsy Sara, a stunner? Maybe I didn't understand the meaning of this word.[/QUOTE]Troll comment.

Admin please remove this troll.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917205]Troll comment.

Admin please remove this troll.[/QUOTE]No, not blind comment, when gypsy Sara and Andrea. Bu can t be told pretty if not blind from AO.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917205]Troll comment.

Admin please remove this troll.[/QUOTE]Put him on your ignore list, I did.

I don't care if he cycled up the matterhorn naked, here he is an annoyance.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2917291]Put him on your ignore list, I did.

I don't care if he cycled up the matterhorn naked, here he is an annoyance.[/QUOTE]The one who would tell climbing Matterhorn with bicycle and even Klein Matterhorn, is a liar. Only up to Breuil Cervinia 2000, but I prefer Gran San Bernardino 2473. There, I see mountains beauty, when I don't see a beauty when looking at Sara or Andrea. Bu at Grimberg, when I got wow beauties in FKK land.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917205]Troll comment.

Admin please remove this troll.[/QUOTE]Aggh I filter BS with an ignore list, it makes the forum a much easier read. Unfortunately quoting bypasses this.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2917096]Very short, gypsy Sara, a stunner? Maybe I didn't understand the meaning of this word.[/QUOTE]If I didn't know the business, when reading here, I would spend time and money to visit RTC, dreaming for beauties, but when I'm the pickiest in FKK land and I find elegant natural beauties who give me deep GFE, til blood, I just want to warn RTC only worth for cheap AO sex, but don't dream to find beauties, nor high quality for sex when 20 mn sex. This is my experienced information from visiting because I like to see with my eyes.

I am back in Germany and my first stop was Arabella. The line-up was mostly new, just one I recognised from my last trip, there was one pretty girl who I grabbed as soon as I could. To my delight she turned out to be the famous Emi / Ela who has had numerous reports on German boards, she started a couple of months ago. A total GFE sweetheart in an RTC is shocking, she could be pulling it in at any mid-tier FKK.

Emi and Ela are 2 different girls. Emi I haven't met but believe she is small and slim, and working in Luderland at the moment. She has a big fan club.

Ela is curvy with big boobs and working in Arabella. She is sweet and speaks excellent English. Also very pretty.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917907]Emi and Ela are 2 different girls. Emi I haven't met but believe she is small and slim, and working in Luderland at the moment. She has a big fan club.

Ela is curvy with big boobs and working in Arabella. She is sweet and speaks excellent English. Also very pretty.[/QUOTE]A bit of accurate trolling: Emi who was Luder superstar with so many guys waiting to fuck her AO, works at Penelope since a while and still propose. With a bit of knowledge.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917907]Emi and Ela are 2 different girls. Emi I haven't met but believe she is small and slim, and working in Luderland at the moment. She has a big fan club.

Ela is curvy with big boobs and working in Arabella. She is sweet and speaks excellent English. Also very pretty.[/QUOTE]It must have been Ela then, she was mixing up the names as she introduced herself and used both. I'll be at Luderland tomorrow and today I am trying Grimberg.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2917907]Emi and Ela are 2 different girls. Emi I haven't met but believe she is small and slim, and working in Luderland at the moment. She has a big fan club.

Ela is curvy with big boobs and working in Arabella. She is sweet and speaks excellent English. Also very pretty.[/QUOTE]Ela is what I call fat around belly and ass. I won t pay the new 40 , when no more 30 at Arabella and Venus. Same at Grimberg and Luder?

The 2 clubs I do most are Grimberg and Arabella. Both have 20 euro happy hour entry from 10 to 13 and 17 to 22.
From 13 to 17 its 30 euro. This is liable to change anytime.

The cheapest session in Grimberg is 30 for 20 minutes, and in Arabella it's 40 for 30 minutes, also 40 for 30 in Grimberg, and for both clubs -50 for 40 minutes and 80 for an hour.

Grimberg seems busier at the moment because many local guys still opt for the 30 euro session instead of paying 40 in Arabella.

I've spoken to some veterans who believe the 20 min session is close to 20 minutes, while the 30 min session is more like 20 or 25 minutes.

I usually opt for 30 min sessions although it's Nice to be able to quit under 20 minutes if it's going crap in Grimberg.

I always find hour sessions a bit of a Rip off, because girls often call time around 45 or 50 minutes. A 40 min session often runs to close to 40 minutes and it's 30 euro cheaper for a very similar experience to an hour session. That's my experience anyway.

The bigger clubs in Frankfurt may have gone sky high with 150 Euro half hour etc but the budget experience is still alive in Rtcs in NRW.

Well, the morons from the AO Forum have spoiled the party again. As I mentioned a few months ago the Situation in Rtcs can only get worse if they write too much openly. Some things should be discussed very discretly. Grimberg got a visit a few days ago from the Regulatory Departement citing reports from the "Black forum" what is supposedly happening at Grimberg. Well, the consequence is that the Theke.

Now watches closely that no foreplay will happen on the couch again. The Theke said that its the Forums writers own Fault and stupidity that they can never can keep their mouths shut.

[QUOTE=ExverLobter;2919238]Well, the morons from the AO Forum have spoiled the party again. As I mentioned a few months ago the Situation in Rtcs can only get worse if they write too much openly. Some things should be discussed very discretly. Grimberg got a visit a few days ago from the Regulatory Departement citing reports from the "Black forum" what is supposedly happening at Grimberg. Well, the consequence is that the Theke.

Now watches closely that no foreplay will happen on the couch again. The Theke said that its the Forums writers own Fault and stupidity that they can never can keep their mouths shut.[/QUOTE]According to 2017 law, you should know RTC should be closed by law. But, except for registration, this law is just a joke about AO in RTC and Germans rreturning home after AO.

I checked out Luderland and there weren't many good looking bitches there. Even worse, there weren't enough girls there at all. There were at least 2 guys to each girl. Maybe even 3 to 1. A fellow patron said it's because it was the weekend and a lot of the girls want to take the weekend off. Where I come from, that's seen as leaving extra money on the table LOL.

Only one out of all 6 or so girls I wanted to bang there was their star 20 y / o Emi. But the popular girl kept getting pulled by customers. I may have entertained the idea of banging the unattractive women there but they weren't very outgoing compared to girls at other clubs that are more friendly.

Ended up as a no-bang day after all. Oh well.

I enjoyed this one more than the other clubs I'd been to. Walking up the street looking for this place, I saw a naked woman who beckoned me across the street from the window. I am serious. Walked across the street and talked with her for a moment. She didn't know I was looking for this place and thought I was a random passerby. She told me to come in and I did. Inside, Madelina greeted me. I read some good reviews about her and she really did look nice and young. I used a 50 to pay the 30 euro entrance fee but the cashier only gave me 10 euros for change and immediately walked off. Perhaps that trick works on some tourists, but not this one.

After that puta gave me the rest of my change, I changed into the towel and back up to the parlor. Madelina was talking to some blonde co-worker. So I walked around the room but there weren't many that caught my attention. A few couches away from Madelina's was some skinny, blonde Romanian with lots of make up and looks like some hot social media girl. Sat down and tried to get to know her. The interest wasn't mutual. Got up and Madelina was still talking to her friend. If there's one thing I don't like, it's sitting around waiting for women. So I introduced myself to the two. Not much passion from either. They kept pushing a threesome on me. This is the third duo that has tried to hustle me. And it's a shame it was from Villa Venus's star 20 why / o Madelina. It wasn't looking good for them, but when they said they only use condoms, their ship had officially sunk and I sure as fuck wasn't going down with it. And the worst part is that another patron told me that if it wasn't my first time there, she actually would have given it to me raw. Oh well, a loss for the Madelina team.

Later on, I saw the woman who had beckoned me from the window outside. She gave me a kiss and invited me to sit with her. She said she's Samira and Bulgarian. Quiet friendly. Just the way a girl should be. So friendly I started getting thick on the couch. She offered some sucky sucky right there and who was I to decline? Where I come from, you can't get this kind of treatment in public! Then really hard, I was offered to bang right there in the parlor. I'm not that much of a star performer so we went upstairs instead. And bang we did. A girl hasn't gotten me very hard in a long time. So I definitely made use of it! I guess she's used to guys cumming quick and kept asking me if I had. And I kept telling her no, because I hadn't LOL. I started to bang a little harder and she said to be easier because I would break that pussy. But there's no way that could happen. This girlwas bred to fuck. So after some more banging, I finally shot that load deep in there.

Finally, I found a girl to skeet skeet skeet inside at these clubs. Mission accomplished. Went to jump in the sauna but it was turned off and the control panel was locked. I figured out how to access it and jumped in for a nice 20 minute session at maximum heat. Senior members feel free to contact me if you need help with that. Even though I have a pretty long refractory period, I was tempted to stick around longer and try my luck and get it up again with another girl and I took a shower. I'd seen a nice review about Larissa and saw her upstairs. Older than what I prefer but her body was nice and skinny so I sat down with her. Sadly, she wasn't as interested as I was so I had to let her go. I had seen another girl on a couch earlier that I wanted to talk to but now she was gone.

At which point it was time for me to be gone as well.

AO Club Pros:

- Great Price Point compared to the West.

- Girls will take dick raw.

AO Club Cons:

- Some days there just aren't enough girls to go around.

- Not every girl will take it raw, at least from newcomers.

Another bad news from Grimberg after the visit from the authorities last week. The 30 Session is gone, now Grimme joined the other Rtcs with the Arabella and Venus Tarif. If you wanted to do many rooms, Grimberg was The Destination in the past, and Arabella if you wanted 1-2 rooms ans take it slow. At Grimberg I mostly did about 4 rooms, sometimes more. Now its getting too expensive for so many rooms with 40€, so I will slow down in that regard.

I just read on local forums, that 30 euro session is no more in Grimberg and that 40 euro is now the lowest price for a session. I guess all rtcs have the same pricing now.

For her so many fans, RTC superstar little Amy is back close to Bayer Arena. Surprising compare to Penelope.

Apparently there is a poster warning of a 300 fine and Immediate Ban for anyone talking of any unlawful practices on the Internet.

Me, when in Germany I use condoms every time (since 2017).

Yep. No more 30420. Just 40430 or 80460.

Get identified as a someone who has posted about enjoying illegal activities and it's a lifetime ban from the circuit of clubs. 300 Euro reward to the person who grassed them up.

LL has vastly improved in line up over the past few weeks (I fully accept that we are talking about an RTC. I am not trying to imply that it is any where of the level of Sharks, Globe etc.). Did a room with Emi a couple of weeks ago, highly recommended. On vacation at the time of writing this post Superb GFE with Tina. Nihan has moved down from VV and is rocking it, well worth a 60 min session.

Other women are raising their game to compete.

Have fun and stay as safe as you choose to be.

It's been over two years since I've been back to NRW. Sadly age catches up to some of us, and I'm feeling mine. (I've made about 20 trips altogether over last 15 years).

Normally go with the wife and let her browse and shop about the city while I'm off 'in the office'. This year, I just want to do it by myself with no clock-watching, less spend, and no guilt. Plus visit the clubs at night, something I haven't been able to do for a decade.

I wasted a few days last trip not doing my homework, and taking a taxi to closed clubs.

Doubting any new AO clubs have opened? And sure the prices have gone up a bit. My list is below, can anyone post if any of these are closed not offering AO?

Might be useful to future posters in 2024/25 as well:

- Arabella (ao / always a fave).

- Dietzenbach (ao / open).

- Dolce Vita Raubach.

- Freud 39 (ao / thought this was closed, always had fun).

- Grimberg (ao / but haven't enjoyed lineup in 2022).

- La Luna.

- Luder Lounge.

- M-Exclusive.

- Partytreff Gelsenkirchen.

- Saunaclub M2.

- Villa Venus (used to be ao / still open?0.

Non-AO places I'll sometimes visit for eye candy when spent.

- Palace.

- Globe.

- Oase.

- Mainhattan.

Have heard these names for years but never been.

- Pauschalclub.

- Heaven 7 Saunaclub.

- Villa Romantika.

New to me:

-P3 swingers.

Just a few updates I can give to your list below -.

Dolcevita Raubach is closed.

Freude 39 is under new management and non Ao. Reports are poor in general.

Party treff Gelsenkirchen is still open and has one or two hired in women. I never heard it was Ao. Occasional swingers visit. Its 100 euro all in I think.

Arabella, Grimberg, Venus, Verena, Luderland and Romantica are all still Ao and owned by the same guy.

Went to Arabella last Sunday. Very atractive line up for a RTC, but bit of a crappy atmosphere. Worth a visit only if you are in the area.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2927449]Heaven 7 Saunaclub.[/QUOTE]If you mean Heaven 7 in Willich that closed down many years ago.

[QUOTE=Britpop;2929482]Went to Arabella last Sunday. Very atractive line up for a RTC, but bit of a crappy atmosphere. Worth a visit only if you are in the area.[/QUOTE]Yes, atmosphere varies day by day. One day it is buzzing, the next (more often) miserable. Who in the lineup caught your eye? Cheers.

Anyone looking for specialised services might do well to think about going to puffs or massage places known for them. As a supplement in case of a disappointing day in rtcs.

Anyone into Turkish pussy (which tastes better than Romanian pussy), go to Arabella. Plenty on offer at the moment!

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2945416]Anyone into Turkish pussy (which tastes better than Romanian pussy), go to Arabella. Plenty on offer at the moment![/QUOTE]I didn't notice for the taste, but I had some really pretty Turkish, 2 at Velbert when it was on top, but not in RTC.

Visited Arabella and Villa Verena recently.

Arabella is a very small place, and dingy even for a cheap FKK. Quality of ladies is low, I'd say mostly 4's, I've never seen so many saggy tits and wrinkly flab. There was one young looking Romanian with nice small but firm tits and an absolute dump truck for an ass, but she kept to her phone and wasn't interested in anything else.

Tried a horse faced Bulgarian, since she was nice enough to sit on my lap and give me a handjob in the room. Only pecks for kisses, and barely any sucking. Straight to the pussy to hurry the session. Her body ended looking worse than I expected. Shoulda tried the PAWG, at least I could have pumped that magnificent ass in doggy.

Verena was better, but again, for a small FKK. The ladies were a notch better, with a couple 8's mixed with a bunch of 6 and 7's, many were bangable. Facilities were larger, with cleaner showers. My only complaint is that the sauna is connected to the main room with a large window, so you can't get away from people. The loud music was annoying as fuck.

Went with Ona or Ola, a Polish girl with a very beautiful face, and a very nice round pert ass. Tits were mildly saggy tho, even at 24 yo, a disappointment. Service was even more of a disappointment. No kissing and hardly any blowjob, just hurry up and fuck so I can be done. Worst part is she pretended that BBFS was extra, asking more than twice the regular 30 minutes rate of 40, so no bareback pussy this time. Don't know if this was standard practice for girls, or because Ona knew she was high demand.

In terms of BBFS RTCs, I'd rank Verena top, then Grimberg and finally Arabella. Tried Grimberg a few months back, and it has a better lineup, somewhere in between Arabella and Verena, but the facilities aren't much better than Arabella.

Might head out to Luderland or Samya for more action later since I'm in Koln, but I am honestly tired of the quality of service at FKKs.

Any ideas on what to expect at Luderland?

Hello guys,

I will be in Germany during mid November and I would like to visit sauna clubs and I read a lot of reports here, and am particularly looking forward to visiting Grimberg and arabella. However it’s not very clear to me how system works in both these clubs and what standard 20-30 minutes includes. And also I couldn't find inthe forum the meaning of AO club 😬. If someone could help with a reply.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Jaggs;2955457]Hello guys,

I will be in Germany during mid November and I would like to visit sauna clubs and I read a lot of reports here, and am particularly looking forward to visiting Grimberg and arabella. However its not very clear to me how system works in both these clubs and what standard 20-30 minutes includes. And also I couldn't find inthe forum the meaning of AO club 😬. If someone could help with a reply.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]In RTC here and Luderland, sex no condom for 40/30 . At Luder, a Black German, not too dark and pretty face.

[QUOTE=Jaggs;2955457]Hello guys,

I will be in Germany during mid November and I would like to visit sauna clubs and I read a lot of reports here, and am particularly looking forward to visiting Grimberg and arabella. However its not very clear to me how system works in both these clubs and what standard 20-30 minutes includes. And also I couldn't find inthe forum the meaning of AO club 😬. If someone could help with a reply.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Strange, all the information that you need is in this thread.

[QUOTE=Fzzxx;2951498]Visited Arabella and Villa Verena recently.

Arabella is a very small place, and dingy even for a cheap FKK. Quality of ladies is low, I'd say mostly 4's, I've never seen so many saggy tits and wrinkly flab. There was one young looking Romanian with nice small but firm tits and an absolute dump truck for an ass, but she kept to her phone and wasn't interested in anything else.

Tried a horse faced Bulgarian, since she was nice enough to sit on my lap and give me a handjob in the room. Only pecks for kisses, and barely any sucking. Straight to the pussy to hurry the session. Her body ended looking worse than I expected. Shoulda tried the PAWG, at least I could have pumped that magnificent ass in doggy.

Verena was better, but again, for a small FKK. The ladies were a notch better, with a couple 8's mixed with a bunch of 6 and 7's, many were bangable. Facilities were larger, with cleaner showers. My only complaint is that the sauna is connected to the main room with a large window, so you can't get away from people. The loud music was annoying as fuck.

Went with Ona or Ola, a Polish girl with a very beautiful face, and a very nice round pert ass. Tits were mildly saggy tho, even at 24 yo, a disappointment. Service was even more of a disappointment. No kissing and hardly any blowjob, just hurry up and fuck so I can be done. Worst part is she pretended that BBFS was extra, asking more than twice the regular 30 minutes rate of 40, so no bareback pussy this time. Don't know if this was standard practice for girls, or because Ona knew she was high demand.

In terms of BBFS RTCs, I'd rank Verena top, then Grimberg and finally Arabella. Tried Grimberg a few months back, and it has a better lineup, somewhere in between Arabella and Verena, but the facilities aren't much better than Arabella.

Might head out to Luderland or Samya for more action later since I'm in Koln, but I am honestly tired of the quality of service at FKKs.

Any ideas on what to expect at Luderland?[/QUOTE]Can t compare RTC with some FKK, or You don t see the difference between uglies and top girls competing with escorts.

Is it possible order some takeaway food? Like pizza, and so on.

Or, if not, at least carry something in your backpack?

Or also if it is possible exit to go to the restaurant and then bame back without paying again the fee.

Many thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;2970302]Or also if it is possible exit to go to the restaurant and then bame back without paying again the fee.

Many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I did it years ago at Grimberg with friends, and we had no problem to come back.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;2970210]Is it possible order some takeaway food? Like pizza, and so on.

Or, if not, at least carry something in your backpack?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can order food, or you can bring in your backpack.

Villa Venus. Madelina today Jan 2nd. Only 6 months in this business, 26 yr old but looks like 21-22 in my eyes. Beautiful face with real glasses, could pass as German or Swiss if she spoke German, but speaks only English quite fluently and Romanian. Nice body too with natural A / be cup. Wonderful personality, not rushing either. Service not clinical, which was great compared to most girls these days use so much wipes that feels like I'm in a hospital. Most importantly, the first girl in last 2 years who could make me cum inside her naturally from sex, without involving hands to orgasm (my dick is too used to my own hands LOL)! So I commend this catholic girl! I wish she was my secretary in real life.

Please treat her well fellas!

All, I wanted to understand between these which one have public action? Or, do all of them?

[QUOTE=Nrgbullmkt;2978449]All, I wanted to understand between these which one have public action? Or, do all of them?[/QUOTE]The public action that made a resurgence in the summer of 23 has died again. Too many dickheads posting about it on local forums and the cops got wind and warned the clubs before Christmas.

I'm here with a couple of American mates, we did 2 days in Grimberg and am in Arabella today. Super quiet in Arabella at the moment of writing. Good lineup around 10 girls.

Highlights so far on the trip.

Grim. Beautiful young Delia with pretty face and puffy nipples. Great service for me but I'm easily pleased.

Also Sabine, really good room.

Arabella. Andrea, sexy MILF.

Really good party last night in El Brasi swingers Bochum. Ill write in the swingers section in the Partytref forum.

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Good to know. Any guidance on which you liked better and timing to attend? I'm going to be spending a couple days in Dortmund / Dusseldorf this week?

I had thought these clubs get crazy busy.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2979982]The public action that made a resurgence in the summer of 23 has died again. Too many dickheads posting about it on local forums and the cops got wind and warned the clubs before Christmas.

I'm here with a couple of American mates, we did 2 days in Grimberg and am in Arabella today. Super quiet in Arabella at the moment of writing. Good lineup around 10 girls.

Highlights so far on the trip.

Grim. Beautiful young Delia with pretty face and puffy nipples. Great service for me but I'm easily pleased.

Also Sabine, really good room.

Arabella. Andrea, sexy MILF.

Really good party last night in El Brasi swingers Bochum. Ill write in the swingers section in the Partytref forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nrgbullmkt;2980033]You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Good to know. Any guidance on which you liked better and timing to attend? I'm going to be spending a couple days in Dortmund / Dusseldorf this week?

I had thought these clubs get crazy busy.[/QUOTE]AO RTC are usually not crowded, when girls don t make dream. Working because cheap and AO.

Both Arabella and Grimberg tend to be busy in the morning because of Happy hour, 10 am to 1 pm 20 euro entry and then they quiet in the afternoon 30 euro entry and busy again in the evening when Happy hour kicks in again at 5pm.

Ill be around till Thursday evening, send me a pm if you want to meet up.

Hi. Where is the partytref forum please. Can't find it on here. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2979982]The public action that made a resurgence in the summer of 23 has died again. Too many dickheads posting about it on local forums and the cops got wind and warned the clubs before Christmas.

I'm here with a couple of American mates, we did 2 days in Grimberg and am in Arabella today. Super quiet in Arabella at the moment of writing. Good lineup around 10 girls.

Highlights so far on the trip.

Grim. Beautiful young Delia with pretty face and puffy nipples. Great service for me but I'm easily pleased.

Also Sabine, really good room.

Arabella. Andrea, sexy MILF.

Really good party last night in El Brasi swingers Bochum. Ill write in the swingers section in the Partytref forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JB238;2980315]Hi. Where is the partytref forum please. Can't find it on here. Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3170-Other-Swinger-Clubs[/URL]

Grimberg on Wednesday was really dead. Girls all a bit depressed with lack of money. Some real young cuties there, Delia, Sara, Gabriella, Dany, and a couple more I don't know names of. Plus some good older Milfs Victoria, Cosmina, Sabine, Daria, julia. Plenty of great girls for me.

Arabella pretty dead yesterday, I prefer the lineup in Grimberg at the moment but some good ones in Arabella too.

When I walked through the door Ginger immediately came up to me and asked we had sex later. This was before I had got to the lockers. I must have made an impression as my last visit was over a year ago. She does enjoy a good pussy licking and the position I use.

Salome in Herne has reopened - [URL]https://salome-herne.com/[/URL] - with new management that may mean that it's part of the RTC chain now, just look at the banner, looks familiar?

Reports say that the Theke is Barbara who once managed Dietzenbach.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3005124]Salome in Herne has reopened - [URL]https://salome-herne.com/[/URL] - with new management that may mean that it's part of the RTC chain now, just look at the banner, looks familiar?[/QUOTE]Even cheaper entry than RTC.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3005130]Even cheaper entry than RTC.[/QUOTE]Introductory pricing. And it opens at 17:00 not 10:00 like the others.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3005169]Introductory pricing. And it opens at 17:00 not 10:00 like the others.[/QUOTE]Salome didn't use to be RTC, even mostly average looks in past. Used to be mainly for Turkish.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3005180]Salome didn't use to be RTC, even mostly average looks in past. Used to be mainly for Turkish.[/QUOTE]With the new ownership it may be. I read that some RTC girls were sent over for opening night but that there was no guarantee of RTC service.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3005323]With the new ownership it may be. I read that some RTC girls were sent over for opening night but that there was no guarantee of RTC service.[/QUOTE]Maybe same than Freude. I m not sure RTC anymore.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2869520]

Did an afternoon in Medi Therme mixed naked sauna. Man the sheer amount of naked young German girls is off the scale. I'm talking maybe 200 in the 4 hours I was there. Pity ya can't shag them. 😏.

[/QUOTE]Wow Wow Wow.

200 young girls in 4 hours??

How is it possible?

How can it be so crowded?

It was on a Saturday?

But even for a Saturday, I find our numbers totally crazy!

Wow.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3005124]Salome in Herne has reopened - [URL]https://salome-herne.com/[/URL] - with new management that may mean that it's part of the RTC chain now, just look at the banner, looks familiar?

Reports say that the Theke is Barbara who once managed Dietzenbach.[/QUOTE]Interesting that the website is only available in German and Turkish. No thought apparently given to the Dutch or English-speaking guests.

There are two Barbaras and I am not sure whether this is the Villa Venus one or a different one.

Well that did not last long. I heard that Salome has shut already. The RTC girls went back to their original clubs, the girls that showed did not get the customers that they needed so moved on and not enough customers were interested in visiting. The owners will be thinking of a new strategy before reopening.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3006570]Well that did not last long. I heard that Salome has shut already. The RTC girls went back to their original clubs, the girls that showed did not get the customers that they needed so moved on and not enough customers were interested in visiting. The owners will be thinking of a new strategy before reopening.[/QUOTE]Closed after only 1 week? Not far from Penelope.

So. I've finally got a chance to go to NRW and sample the FKKs there.

I heard many times how services in NRW is better, but kept my expectation in check.

The place was in a (somewhat) residential area and looked like a house. Quite seedy place with couches around and showers / lockers downstairs.

The lady at the bar was running things and gave me a key, so I went downstairs and saw that the lockers are very old and rusted. Some were bent and broken. I wouldn't store any valuable there.

Overall, the facility is quite dirty and abysmal, even for RTC standard. Most girls were friendly but had a trouble with my broken German. Luckily a guy named "Peter" was able to translate for me.

Many girls were chubby / old, and I'm a picky bastard. So it took me a bit to find a girl to fuck, but I did find Maria who is skinny and younger than the most. She wasn't too friendly. Not sure if it's because I didn't speak German. We agreed on 30 minute and went to a room where she gave me a mediocre BBBJ and I took her from behind and finish in mish. Overall a mechanical service.. disappointing, but delivered everything promised.

There wasn't much reason for me to stay afterwards. There were about 6-8 girls and 1:1 guy ratio. Most were friendly and said Hello, without pressuring me.

I think I'll stick with FKK 40 in Frankfurt if I wanted to go to an RTC.

[QUOTE=Mander;3009688]So. I've finally got a chance to go to NRW and sample the FKKs there.

I heard many times how services in NRW is better, but kept my expectation in check.

The place was in a (somewhat) residential area and looked like a house. Quite seedy place with couches around and showers / lockers downstairs.

The lady at the bar was running things and gave me a key, so I went downstairs and saw that the lockers are very old and rusted. Some were bent and broken. I wouldn't store any valuable there.

Overall, the facility is quite dirty and abysmal, even for RTC standard. Most girls were friendly but had a trouble with my broken German. Luckily a guy named "Peter" was able to translate for me.

Many girls were chubby / old, and I'm a picky bastard. So it took me a bit to find a girl to fuck, but I did find Maria who is skinny and younger than the most. She wasn't too friendly. Not sure if it's because I didn't speak German. We agreed on 30 minute and went to a room where she gave me a mediocre BBBJ and I took her from behind and finish in mish. Overall a mechanical service.. disappointing, but delivered everything promised..[/QUOTE]AO RTC in NRW are far lower level than normal clubs, exactly same like FKK Aldi Dietz is far lower in Hessen. Only worthing for AO and cheap, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Mander;3009688]So. I've finally got a chance to go to NRW and sample the FKKs there.[/QUOTE]People go the the RTC clubs for a good reason, they are still cheap and inflation has not hit them as hard as in the FKK's, entry is commonly E20 when I arrive and the cost of a session is E40 (E50 in Dietzenbach), for that bargain price you are not going to get high quality but you will find good, no hassle service, and I don't even speak more than a few words of German. There's no need to negotiate for extras (unless you are looking for anal). I've done Villa Venus, Grimberg, Luderland and Dietzenbach so far and maybe a couple more this weekend.

Observations so far:

Dietzenbach is still best for attractive girls, there were at least five that I liked.

It was my first time in Villa Venus, it was fairly good and there were a couple of nice looking girls. It's getting a lot of notice from the guys on FrierCafe.

Grimberg is still solid and will have a few.

Luderland is not doing as well as it used to, I could see only a couple of girls that I would go with.

There are more Bulgarian girls, it used to be mostly Romanians but times are changing.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3009859]People go the the RTC clubs for a good reason, they are still cheap and inflation has not hit them as hard as in the FKK's, entry is commonly E20 when I arrive and the cost of a session is E40 (E50 in Dietzenbach), for that bargain price you are not going to get high quality but you will find good, no hassle service, and I don't even speak more than a few words of German. There's no need to negotiate for extras (unless you are looking for anal). I've done Villa Venus, Grimberg, Luderland and Dietzenbach so far and maybe a couple more this weekend.

Observations so far:

Dietzenbach is still best for attractive girls, there were at least five that I liked.

It was my first time in Villa Venus, it was fairly good and there were a couple of nice looking girls. It's getting a lot of notice from the guys on FrierCafe..[/QUOTE]Chiara, Sofia, Anita are not what I tell good looking and level in bed is lower than many at Sharks.

Went to La Luna and found that None of the girls were AO.

Too bad and it appears now that the legend has died.

So the owners of Rtc took over big club Salome in Herne. Mostly they just brought in girls from other rtc. They even reduced entry to free for a couple of weeks. I think they were trying to get some business from nearby busy Penelope. Anyway it's all over now and the new club is closed after a month.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3009859]People go the the RTC clubs for a good reason, they are still cheap and inflation has not hit them as hard as in the FKK's, entry is commonly E20 when I arrive and the cost of a session is E40 (E50 in Dietzenbach), for that bargain price you are not going to get high quality but you will find good, no hassle service, and I don't even speak more than a few words of German. There's no need to negotiate for extras (unless you are looking for anal). I've done Villa Venus, Grimberg, Luderland and Dietzenbach so far and maybe a couple more this weekend.

Observations so far:

Dietzenbach is still best for attractive girls, there were at least five that I liked.

It was my first time in Villa Venus, it was fairly good and there were a couple of nice looking girls. It's getting a lot of notice from the guys on FrierCafe.

Grimberg is still solid and will have a few.

Luderland is not doing as well as it used to, I could see only a couple of girls that I would go with.

There are more Bulgarian girls, it used to be mostly Romanians but times are changing.[/QUOTE]Dietzenbach, is that FKK 40?

Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, what is beautiful to you?

[QUOTE=CaptainPicard;3019955]Dietzenbach, is that FKK 40?

Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, what is beautiful to you?[/QUOTE]Also named Aldi by Germans. Beauties for blind and I think no more 30 € for rooms, also inflation for low level.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3019916]So the owners of Rtc took over big club Salome in Herne. Mostly they just brought in girls from other rtc. They even reduced entry to free for a couple of weeks. I think they were trying to get some business from nearby busy Penelope. Anyway it's all over now and the new club is closed after a month.[/QUOTE]It is indeed the new (larger) RTC, but why you say it is already closed now? They just increased entrance from 0 to 10 to 20 euro last week (s).

Any source?

[QUOTE=Maxime;3020036]It is indeed the new (larger) RTC, but why you say it is already closed now? They just increased entrance from 0 to 10 to 20 euro last week (s).

Any source?[/QUOTE]They were closed for a few days, but as of Thursday (August 14th), they re-open, as of 12:00.

Website live again also: [URL]https://salome-herne.com/[/URL]

Back from a week in the Bochum Essen area. 2 days in Arabella, 1 day in Grimberg. 1 day in Penelope to relax, also 2 visits to Gruga Park Sauna to Relax, several local ladies parading around au natural.(Normal German saunas are naked but no sex)

Sex clubs all a bit quiet at the moment, girls all complaining about it being slow.

Highlight was Salome in Herne on my last day. This club has been taken over by the owners of Grimberg and Arabella. The club is big and could accommodate 30 girls easy. Yesterday there 10 girls, half of them familar to me.

Entry was 10 Euro and sessions are 50 per 30 minutes.

I had a really good room with young Bulgarian Jenna, slim girl with huge natural titties. Recommend her.

Same Ao service here as the other Rtc clubs.

Guys, do you need a membership card to access Grinberg and Arabella? I have been reading online that some guys have been denied without having one.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3025008]Back from a week in the Bochum Essen area. 2 days in Arabella, 1 day in Grimberg. 1 day in Penelope to relax, also 2 visits to Gruga Park Sauna to Relax, several local ladies parading around au natural.(Normal German saunas are naked but no sex)

Sex clubs all a bit quiet at the moment, girls all complaining about it being slow.

Highlight was Salome in Herne on my last day. This club has been taken over by the owners of Grimberg and Arabella. The club is big and could accommodate 30 girls easy. Yesterday there 10 girls, half of them familar to me.

Entry was 10 Euro and sessions are 50 per 30 minutes.

I had a really good room with young Bulgarian Jenna, slim girl with huge natural titties. Recommend her.

Same Ao service here as the other Rtc clubs.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment.

Are the girls of Salome in Herne naked on high heels?

All the RTC clubs have naked ladies on high heels, right (Arabella, Grimberg, Venus, Penelope, Salome.) ?

I like that! I like that atmosphere with naked ladies on heels.

If they were able to have sex in public this way, how great it should be! With the AO service, even better in public!

Thanks anyway.

[QUOTE=Sonador;3025884]Thanks for the comment.

Are the girls of Salome in Herne naked on high heels?

All the RTC clubs have naked ladies on high heels, right (Arabella, Grimberg, Venus, Penelope, Salome.) ?

I like that! I like that atmosphere with naked ladies on heels.

If they were able to have sex in public this way, how great it should be! With the AO service, even better in public!

Thanks anyway.[/QUOTE]Forget supermodels on heels, not 1,85 bare feet Ada, but only very average looks.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3025880]Guys, do you need a membership card to access Grinberg and Arabella? I have been reading online that some guys have been denied without having one.[/QUOTE]Member for what? No problem, even when not speaking German.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3025891]Member for what? No problem, even when not speaking German.[/QUOTE]Follow the links.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/EyEuDzAdM1oP1o8AA[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/bH9w6KUoyuGE8D8G6[/URL]

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3025898]Follow the links.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/EyEuDzAdM1oP1o8AA[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/bH9w6KUoyuGE8D8G6[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't believe all bullshits in this business.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3025898]Follow the links.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/EyEuDzAdM1oP1o8AA[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/bH9w6KUoyuGE8D8G6[/URL][/QUOTE]Untrue!

[QUOTE=Sonador;3025884]Thanks for the comment.

All the RTC clubs have naked ladies on high heels, right (Arabella, Grimberg, Venus, Penelope, Salome.) ?

If they were able to have sex in public this way, how great it should be! With the AO service, even better in public![/QUOTE]Some girls have high heels but they won't be wearing them when they sit on the couches.

There's no public sex anymore, you won't see a couple fucking in the main lounges, what I did see on my last trip was a couple using a couch upstairs in the hall to the rooms. It's been a long time since I got a BJ in public and that's due to the anti-prostitution law of 2017.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3026030]Untrue!

Some girls have high heels but they won't be wearing them when they sit on the couches.

There's no public sex anymore, you won't see a couple fucking in the main lounges, what I did see on my last trip was a couple using a couch upstairs in the hall to the rooms. It's been a long time since I got a BJ in public and that's due to the anti-prostitution law of 2017.[/QUOTE]2017 law didn't forbid at all prostitution, but did forbid AO, BBBJ, DATY and FK. Just a joke for real. Only registration work, allowing only EU girls or those living in Germany since at least 5 years, to work in prostitution. I knew few Ukrainians with refugee because of war status. Ukraine and Republic of Moldavia don t belong to EU. Swiss can also work. In RTC, most girls never put on heels. Superstar Emi, even not a wow beauty, is back at Leverkusen with still many guys waiting for hours for her.

Ok guys, thanks for clearing that up.

My plan is to visit Grimberg and Arabella, and Duisburg RLD. I won't be driving, and the other clubs are just too far and remote for them to be a viable option for me. I will also have Salome in Herne as a back up.

It seems there are a few RTC clubs dotted around the NRW region, so next time I visit, I'll hire a car and try to visit a few more. In any case I don't believe the overall quality of the girls in RTC means I'll be missing anything. I just want to do it for the experience.

I'll be based in Dusseldorf, the state's capital, which has good transport links to where I need to get to.

If anyone has any tips, please feel free to add.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3026290]I'll be based in Dusseldorf, the state's capital, which has good transport links to where I need to get to.

If anyone has any tips, please feel free to add.[/QUOTE]Buy a VRR price level 'C' day ticket, and you can easily cover most of the RLD clubs. Using that, I had done Grimberg and Arabella in Bochum, plus Villa Venus in Duisburg all in one day a few times previously.

They can all be reached by the train, bus and tram network from Dusseldorf, and the VRR ticket covers all of them.

For me, Villa Venus had always offered a better selection than Grimberg or Arabella. (And in answer to your question in the Duisburg thread, most of the girls in Villa Venus offer AO; and the rate earlier this year was 40 for 30 minutes.) I have not tried Salome.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3026322]Buy a VRR price level 'C' day ticket, and you can easily cover most of the RLD clubs. Using that, I had done Grimberg and Arabella in Bochum, plus Villa Venus in Duisburg all in one day a few times previously.

They can all be reached by the train, bus and tram network from Dusseldorf, and the VRR ticket covers all of them.

For me, Villa Venus had always offered a better selection than Grimberg or Arabella. (And in answer to your question in the Duisburg thread, most of the girls in Villa Venus offer AO; and the rate earlier this year was 40 for 30 minutes.) I have not tried Salome.[/QUOTE]Thanks TankTank, I am going to get a Deutschland ticket for 60 euros, I can ago anywhere for the duration of my stay with that ticket. You must have really high endurance to be able to do three clubs in a day. I am going to pace myself and do one club a day. I was looking at the route to Villa Venus, so I think I might try that also.

Apart from Grimberg, Arabella & Venus, does anyone recommend any other RTC in the region WORTH visiting??

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3026360]You must have really high endurance to be able to do three clubs in a day. I am going to pace myself and do one club a day. I was looking at the route to Villa Venus, so I think I might try that also.
[/QUOTE]There are only 6-10 girls per club. Most are not worth a second look. The clubs have no facilities, and no decent food other than biscuits. So you will be bored to death sitting in an enclosed space with nothing much interesting to see once you have had a good look at the top 2 girls. Max tolerable time per club would be 2 hours.

I therefore just take the girl in each club I find the most attractive, and then spend my recuperation time enjoying the train and tram rides seeing the day to day life of the locals.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3026360]Thanks TankTank, I am going to get a Deutschland ticket for 60 euros, I can ago anywhere for the duration of my stay with that ticket. You must have really high endurance to be able to do three clubs in a day. I am going to pace myself and do one club a day. I was looking at the route to Villa Venus, so I think I might try that also.

Apart from Grimberg, Arabella & Venus, does anyone recommend any other RTC in the region WORTH visiting??[/QUOTE]FKK Verena (Dortmund) can be worthwhile. Together with Grimberg the least non-attractive lineup (to put it mildly). Venus I would avoid, only if you like more gypsy kind of girls.

RTC with mostly ugly girls with low level are too expensive for me, at least 40, compare to some clubs where pretties for 50/ real 30 mn, not only 15/20 mn like happen most rooms in RTC. I prefer higher quality for less expensive and with foods for entry 30 or 35. Penelope, Prime, Gold and Atlanta, Bahama around Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Maxime;3026570]FKK Verena (Dortmund) can be worthwhile. Together with Grimberg the least non-attractive lineup (to put it mildly). Venus I would avoid, only if you like more gypsy kind of girls.[/QUOTE]I do like the gypsy girls. My preference is for slim and petite, and I know gypsies can get very slim and petite. The issue I have has always been trying to find them. In Frankfurt, there were eros centres or floors within eros centres with them working.

Club 40 only had one skinny gypsy girl working. I understand the girls in the non RTC clubs are better looking, but I'm not travelling to Germany to use a dom. I want to sample the raw delights NRW has to offer. I'll be busy.

One more thing, do all RTC clubs have that wall paper font on their landing page?

Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3025880]Guys, do you need a membership card to access Grinberg and Arabella? I have been reading online that some guys have been denied without having one.[/QUOTE]Some girls refuse service to guys from their country, especially young guys in groups.

The receptionists don't want to be in the position of having to deal with an angry punter who has been refused service, so it's sometimes easier just to not let them in. And of course the girls are watching the cameras to see who is pressing the bell.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3026050]forbids DATY and FK[/QUOTE]This seems crazy!

I recently came back from a trip to Germany and visited the main bareback clubs in North Rhine Westphalia, report based on my experience below. But first, I need to make this clear, you need a car! NRW is a massive area, and relying on the trains, which have frequent delays and cancelations will only add time and stress to your day. Additionally, the 24 hour train ticket is 36.5 euros, so times that by how many days you want to travel around the region. I saw three girls over two days.

1st) Grimburg:

30 euro entry, 40 euro /30 min session. Warm and cosy, the girls and other punters were very friendly, my favourite out the list. I had my eye on a slim petite brunette wearing stocking with the bow and nothing else. However I was warned against her and her friend, so I went with Denisa. She was all over me from the start, at one point sat across me with her legs wide open. There were a few girls I would have happily seen, but it's about timing, trying to catch them when they are free before someone else does. Denisa was good, I deposited a week's worth inside her, and she let me watch it pour out. After, I used the sauna then left.

2nd) Arabella:

30 euro entry, 40 euro /30 min session. I had my best session here with Cindy, a young Romanian girl with glasses. I caught glimpse of her when I entered and made a mental note. The club itself is smaller, and with less girls. When Cindy became available, she went straight onto the lap of another gentleman, I'm sure the girls have a queuing system in their minds. Whilst she was playing with his cock, I waved at her to let her know I was next. I chatted with a few other girls, but I wanted to get my hands around Cindy's body, her arse was fantastic, shaped to perfection. There was another little gypsy girl smiling at me, and if I had more time I would have done her as well. When Cindy became available, I pounced, chatted for a few minutes then into the room. It was a fantastic session, Cindy was outstanding and left me completely satisfied.

3rd) Villa Venus:

30 euros entry. The worst club, avoid! All the girls were gypsies, and not the pretty ones, old, overweight with bad attitudes. The girls were dismissive towards me and was just playing with their phones. The club had about five girls working. I spoke to one girl and she ran me the list like a business meeting, also mentioning condoms. I left soon after, with my hard earned cash still safe in my wallet.

4th) Duisburg RLD: It's a large area, but IMO Frankfurt's bigger and better, don't waste your time coming here, the girls were quoting obscene figures for bareback.

5th) Luderland:

20 euro entry, 40 euro /30 min. The floor area is small, but it has a big garden. When I entered, I spotted a sexy slim petite girl walking off with a gentleman, I made a mental note then checked the rest of the girls. Most where ugly and overweight, only three girls were fuckable. One girl Evelyn was beaming smiles as soon as I entered, and that's who I saw. Another girl caught my eye but she looked rude, hardly smiled, whilst Evelyn appeared friendly. I waited ages for the petite girl to become available, and when she did, I waved at her, but she ignored me. I then approached her and said Hello, but she wasn't interested. I took Evelyn into the room and saw condoms on the bed, essentially bareback is an additional 40 extra on top. I wasn't going to walk so I went covered. But to her credit, she gave me one of the best BJ this year, it was phenomenal. She started from my balls then slowly worked her way up, then started doing cartel wheels on my cock with her head. She worshipped my cock for what seemed forever. I filled the bag with her in doggy then left soon after.

I'm sure there are many more clubs dotted around industrial parks and abandon warehouses, too many for a single trip. My advice, do Arabella and Grimburg over the course of two nights, Friday and Saturday. I will probably visit again sometime in the future, and will be driving.

BB is standard at Luder Leverkusen. Also Verena not far from Grimberg.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3029249]
5th) Luderland:

.... essentially bareback is an additional 40 extra on top.[/QUOTE]No way! There must have been some kind of miscommunication as double the price is all wrong. All the regular customers would walk if this was true but I have seen reports elsewhere and none complain about paying extra to go bareback.

I agree about driving, some people are very tolerant about delays. I will always drive.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3029323]No way! There must have been some kind of miscommunication as double the price is all wrong. All the regular customers would walk if this was true but I have seen reports elsewhere and none complain about paying extra to go bareback.

I agree about driving, some people are very tolerant about delays. I will always drive.[/QUOTE]Well I am not a regular, first time, and things like "where you from, how long you stay" would be exchanged during chit chat.

I did not complain about the extra, I just didn't pay it. I was on route to Cologne so needed the money to do touristy stuff in the city. Regardless, I enjoyed Evelyn for what it's worth, and have seen on the German forum that the petite girl who refused me goes by the name of Emi. I won't be back to Luderland again anyway.

Verena is a good hour by public transport from Grimburg, I wasn't driving. Also, I wasn't aware of that club, I might do it next time.

I think someone with good knowledge of the area, should compile a list of all the RTC clubs in NRW. That would be very useful for weekend tourist like me.

Emi is AO RTC superstar since few years, many guys waiting for her for hours.

Grimberg in Gelsenkirchen, Verena in Dortmund, I would say around 20/25 kms between.

RTC worth only for AO, nothing else, when you pay for low level looks.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3029398]I think someone with good knowledge of the area, should compile a list of all the RTC clubs in NRW. That would be very useful for weekend tourist like me.[/QUOTE]It's the clubs on this page, but here you go again:

Arabella [URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL].

Grimberg [URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL].

Villa Venus [URL]http://www.fkk-venus.sex/[/URL].

Verena [URL]http://www.fkk-verena.sex/[/URL].

Romantica [URL]http://www.fkk-romantica.de/[/URL].

Luderland [URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/[/URL].

Dietzenbach [URL]https://fkk40.de/[/URL] - This is near Frankfurt.

It used to be that La Luna was counted as an AO, I don't go there anymore as it has FKK prices but low quality. There were only three girls there on my last visit.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3029502]It's the clubs on this page, but here you go again:

Arabella [URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL].

Grimberg [URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL].

Villa Venus [URL]http://www.fkk-venus.sex/[/URL].

Verena [URL]http://www.fkk-verena.sex/[/URL].

Romantica [URL]http://www.fkk-romantica.de/[/URL].

Luderland [URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/[/URL].

Dietzenbach [URL]https://fkk40.de/[/URL] - This is near Frankfurt.

It used to be that La Luna was counted as an AO, I don't go there anymore as it has FKK prices but low quality. There were only three girls there on my last visit.[/QUOTE]Maybe also Salome Herne now? Not far from Grimberg. Used to be Bernds also around Koln, no new location?

[QUOTE=Downandup;3029502]It's the clubs on this page, but here you go again:

Arabella [URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL].

Grimberg [URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL].

Villa Venus [URL]http://www.fkk-venus.sex/[/URL].

Verena [URL]http://www.fkk-verena.sex/[/URL].

Romantica [URL]http://www.fkk-romantica.de/[/URL].

Luderland [URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/[/URL].

Dietzenbach [URL]https://fkk40.de/[/URL] - This is near Frankfurt.

It used to be that La Luna was counted as an AO, I don't go there anymore as it has FKK prices but low quality. There were only three girls there on my last visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this is very helpful.

Yes, I read Emi is very popular, so she can pick and choose.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3029518]Maybe also Salome Herne now? Not far from Grimberg. Used to be Bernds also around Koln, no new location?[/QUOTE]Maybe Salome, I don't know. Bernd's never reopened as far as I know, the girls there went to other clubs and brothels around the area.

Is Freude39 still an an RTC club? [URL]https://www.freude-39.de/newpage[/URL].

Haven't been in years. And I heard it has closed and reopened a few times. But I have fond memories there.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3029502]It's the clubs on this page, but here you go again:

Arabella [URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.sex/[/URL].

Grimberg [URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL].

Villa Venus [URL]http://www.fkk-venus.sex/[/URL].

Verena [URL]http://www.fkk-verena.sex/[/URL].

Romantica [URL]http://www.fkk-romantica.de/[/URL].

Luderland [URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/[/URL].

Dietzenbach [URL]https://fkk40.de/[/URL] - This is near Frankfurt.

It used to be that La Luna was counted as an AO, I don't go there anymore as it has FKK prices but low quality. There were only three girls there on my last visit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3030308]Is Freude39 still an an RTC club? [URL]https://www.freude-39.de/newpage[/URL].

Haven't been in years. And I heard it has closed and reopened a few times. But I have fond memories there.[/QUOTE]It is indeed re-opened, but as a "normal" club. Expect older, not so slim girls, with decent service, but nothing spectacular IMHO. Most other clubs in NRW are much better in lineup these days.

Pity, because before F39 was a RTC, it had one of the best lineups (including many from PL, CZ, BEL, RUS, etc), but that is long time ago, we have to do with the ROMBUL invasion I am afraid.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3030308]Is Freude39 still an an RTC club? [URL]https://www.freude-39.de/newpage[/URL].

Haven't been in years. And I heard it has closed and reopened a few times. But I have fond memories there.[/QUOTE]No it's an FKK, the latest owners have completely remodeled the place. Though I notice few comments on the German boards.

[QUOTE=Maxime;3030318]It is indeed re-opened, but as a "normal" club. Expect older, not so slim girls, with decent service, but nothing spectacular IMHO. Most other clubs in NRW are much better in lineup these days.

Pity, because before F39 was a RTC, it had one of the best lineups (including many from PL, CZ, BEL, RUS, etc), but that is long time ago, we have to do with the ROMBUL invasion I am afraid.[/QUOTE]The worst Romanians go to the UK, absolute scammers. The "less" scammy ones earn an honest living in Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

After the Romanians who is next to flood over, the Moldovans?

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3030438]The worst Romanians go to the UK, absolute scammers. The "less" scammy ones earn an honest living in Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

After the Romanians who is next to flood over, the Moldovans?[/QUOTE]Girls from Republic of Moldavia can t get registered to work in FKK.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3030583]Girls from Republic of Moldavia can t get registered to work in FKK.[/QUOTE]True, unless they get a Romanian passport which is very easy for them.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3030703]True, unless they get a Romanian passport which is very easy for them.[/QUOTE]For girls of Moldavian part of Romania, around Iasie. Not sure from Chisinau.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3030583]Girls from Republic of Moldavia can t get registered to work in FKK.[/QUOTE]I've had the usual EE girls, but I cannot remember being with a Moldovan. Being the poorest country in Europe, when the times comes, I foresee them flooding the market. Open borders for open legs LOL.

It's been my experience that the home markets are generally not a good place to find girls in Europe, unless you are looking for a civvie.

Hi Mongers,

I wonder whether there is anything similar club like Grimberg outside of Germany? So a clib with PSE with people sometimes keeping the doors open or just getting at it on the couch publicly and inviting others to join?

Not aware that anything like this exists eg in Thailand, Brazil or maybe Austria? Any other countries / clubs that come close to it?

[QUOTE=Mittim;3030850]Hi Mongers,

I wonder whether there is anything similar club like Grimberg outside of Germany? So a clib with PSE with people sometimes keeping the doors open or just getting at it on the couch publicly and inviting others to join?

Not aware that anything like this exists eg in Thailand, Brazil or maybe Austria? Any other countries / clubs that come close to it?[/QUOTE]In Austria, I think AO also exist, but not in clubs.

Gents, when do the girls generally take their summer holiday?

I am planning my next trip and want to get in before the girls start leaving. This question is general for all FKKs, but since I am specifically interested in RTC clubs, I've posted here.

I have it in mind to do a week long trip end of July, so would the FKKs still be busy at that time?

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3043863]Gents, when do the girls generally take their summer holiday?

I am planning my next trip and want to get in before the girls start leaving. This question is general for all FKKs, but since I am specifically interested in RTC clubs, I've posted here.

I have it in mind to do a week long trip end of July, so would the FKKs still be busy at that time?[/QUOTE]In FKKs business, holidays are mostly Christmas / new year and Orthodox Easter, when most Romanians are orthodox. Also a bit in August. AO RTC are for low, cheap quality with not pretties. Many Bulgarians in RTC.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3043891]In FKKs business, holidays are mostly Christmas / new year and Orthodox Easter, when most Romanians are orthodox. Also a bit in August. AO RTC are for low, cheap quality with not pretties. Many Bulgarians in RTC.[/QUOTE]"AO RTC are for low, cheap quality with not pretties".

You keep saying that, but you already know I have no interest in travelling to Germany to use condoms. Thank you for your concern.

Will the dates, end of July, early August be good?

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3044017]"AO RTC are for low, cheap quality with not pretties".

You keep saying that, but you already know I have no interest in travelling to Germany to use condoms. Thank you for your concern.

Will the dates, end of July, early August be good?[/QUOTE]Not best time, but not the worst. Better in July before 20.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3043863]Gents, when do the girls generally take their summer holiday?

I am planning my next trip and want to get in before the girls start leaving. This question is general for all FKKs, but since I am specifically interested in RTC clubs, I've posted here.

I have it in mind to do a week long trip end of July, so would the FKKs still be busy at that time?[/QUOTE]Anyone knows if these RTC clubs are shut over the weekend before New Year's Eve? I am in the region this weekend.

[QUOTE=Edh007;3044085]Anyone knows if these RTC clubs are shut over the weekend before New Year's Eve? I am in the region this weekend.[/QUOTE]At least, aldi Dietzenbach should be open, when they write open 365, but I don't know for casting, when sometimes more than 15 girls.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3044086]At least, aldi Dietzenbach should be open, when they write open 365, but I don't know for casting, when sometimes more than 15 girls.[/QUOTE]Cheers, I found updated Christmas schedule in German forums. Went for one day and I think now "that the novelty of RTC wore off" I can see your point re standard.

Not the best of line up. Only saw two girls who were decent enough. The rest looked uninterested and the ratio is high probably due to holiday season. You have to be proactive to get a girl, I saw as few noobs sitting around smoking not approached by any of the girls. Having said that, there was some interesting public action.

I think I had an itch that I scratched but won't be back to these establishment for a while, maybe for a wallet friendly punting.

[QUOTE=Edh007;3045222]Cheers, I found updated Christmas schedule in German forums. Went for one day and I think now "that the novelty of RTC wore off" I can see your point re standard.

Not the best of line up. Only saw two girls who were decent enough. The rest looked uninterested and the ratio is high probably due to holiday season. You have to be proactive to get a girl, I saw as few noobs sitting around smoking not approached by any of the girls. Having said that, there was some interesting public action.

I think I had an itch that I scratched but won't be back to these establishment for a while, maybe for a wallet friendly punting.[/QUOTE]Don't expect to find high beauties and high level sex in low level AO RTC. 100 to enjoy a good real beauty is better value for money for me than wasting 40 on not pretties and fast sex. And some beauties are for 50 to 70 in NRW or NL on German border. But each one own level for standards.

I have been seeking a willing and receptive womb to release myself into and carry my progeny into term. That is the appeal of AO. Once you go raw, it is very difficult to accept "terms and conditions" with vanilla punts. I occasionally do, but only in my home territory (Latinas) and North Africa.

I am happy to pay market rate, which means if the girls in the big clubs offered AO? Then I'll happily drop 100-150 euros for the pleasure, for those beauties. FKK land is only two hours away and provides me with a different selection of girls, with most being primed for breeding. Worth it in my opinion, and aesthetics was never been high on the criteria.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3045323]I have been seeking a willing and receptive womb to release myself into and carry my progeny into term. That is the appeal of AO. Once you go raw, it is very difficult to accept "terms and conditions" with vanilla punts. I occasionally do, but only in my home territory (Latinas) and North Africa.

I am happy to pay market rate, which means if the girls in the big clubs offered AO? Then I'll happily drop 100-150 euros for the pleasure, for those beauties. FKK land is only two hours away and provides me with a different selection of girls, with most being primed for breeding. Worth it in my opinion, and aesthetics was never been high on the criteria.[/QUOTE]Be careful indeed. There is no way back if you start bareback.

Strangely in the larger, more expensive clubs, AO is very rare. In the cheap RTC clubs it is standard. Many gypsy looking girls in RTCs, few exceptions aside. Sometimes there are really gems, the word spreads around, and this girl then is way too busy for a few weeks and then it is over, up to the next. Better look on the German (RTC) fora to find details on this.

[QUOTE=Maxime;3045393]Be careful indeed. There is no way back if you start bareback.

Strangely in the larger, more expensive clubs, AO is very rare. In the cheap RTC clubs it is standard. Many gypsy looking girls in RTCs, few exceptions aside. Sometimes there are really gems, the word spreads around, and this girl then is way too busy for a few weeks and then it is over, up to the next. Better look on the German (RTC) fora to find details on this.[/QUOTE]I find the brown skinned gypsy girls the most attractive with the current stock of girls in Europe. I am drawn to their look and find it exotic. The ones similar to Pocahontas or Esmeralda. Skinny, very skinny is my preference, but won't say no to hips and arse.

When I was in Frankfurt, I visited Palace and Mainhatten, the majority of girls where white, in fact all, I didn't see any gypies, only in the rld. I like the look of the Slavic white girls, over the Latin ones, who's look is quite boring in my eyes. It seems there is a large percentage of men, who select for tits and arse, so many girls had exaggerated over the top bleach blonde hair, lip fillers and bolt on fake tits, I absolutely hate that look.

I'd take the gypsy farm girl over the done up city blonde any day.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3045513]I find the brown skinned gypsy girls the most attractive with the current stock of girls in Europe. I am drawn to their look and find it exotic. The ones similar to Pocahontas or Esmeralda. Skinny, very skinny is my preference, but won't say no to hips and arse.

When I was in Frankfurt, I visited Palace and Mainhatten, the majority of girls where white, in fact all, I didn't see any gypies, only in the rld. I like the look of the Slavic white girls, over the Latin ones, who's look is quite boring in my eyes. It seems there is a large percentage of men, who select for tits and arse, so many girls had exaggerated over the top bleach blonde hair, lip fillers and bolt on fake tits, I absolutely hate that look.

I'd take the gypsy farm girl over the done up city blonde any day.[/QUOTE]Many gypsy type ones in normal clubs. I'm usually more into milky skin, but when I find a really beautiful gypsy, when Esmeralda played by Gina Lollobrigida was a beauty, then I can desire her. Many Bulgarians and bad teeth in RTC.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3045513]I find the brown skinned gypsy girls the most attractive with the current stock of girls in Europe. I am drawn to their look and find it exotic. The ones similar to Pocahontas or Esmeralda. Skinny, very skinny is my preference . [/QUOTE]I have one recommendation for you. A Bulgarian in Aldi Dietzenbach called Esmeralda (name is probably not a coincidence). Very skinny, tall, dark skin, long black hair, lovely nipples, face looks like Selma Hayek, nice smile, friendly, excellent service that you are looking for. (But no English) Only 50 euro for one shot.

Indeed when in that area, visit Dietzenbach. Better proposition than the tourist traps Palace and Sharks IMHO.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3045560]I have one recommendation for you. A Bulgarian in Aldi Dietzenbach called Esmeralda (name is probably not a coincidence). Very skinny, tall, dark skin, long black hair, lovely nipples, face looks like Selma Hayek, nice smile, friendly, excellent service that you are looking for. (But no English) Only 50 euro for one shot.[/QUOTE]I have seen her already. I done a report on club 40 previously, I went back again and saw her on my second visit. Along with some other new girls.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3374-FKK-Dietzenbach&p=2851655&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2851655.

[QUOTE=Maxime;3045568]Indeed when in that area, visit Dietzenbach. Better proposition than the tourist traps Palace and Sharks IMHO.[/QUOTE]How can we compare Sharks with some real beauties for real GFE for 100/30+ when we are able without Globe rules, and uglies with bad teeth at aldi Dietzenbach for 40/50 for 15/20 mn for most rooms in so bad rooms. Sharks is not really more expensive for real time spent for sex, when You are able to play there and on higher level for less expensive than at Globe. We really don t all have same experience in FKK land.

Hi guys,

I was there in Decembre and, with my great positive surprised, I found out that in some of this clubs things seem to be return like pre 2017, when you can fuck wherever full cabrio.

Myself I had the pleasure to FKK AO in public in Arabella, on the sofa in the second room.

And to see fucking full cabrio in public ad Villa Venus, and at Sauna Grimberg, where two men fucked a girl, one after the other, in the pussy with the second one with the pussy still dripping the sperm of the first one.

So exciting.

May I ask you if all that is now possible also in Villa Verena, Saalomé and Leverkusen?

Thanks in advance for your kind answers!

I was in Dieztenbach in late November and it was my first time in Ann AO club. I was surprised to see public sex right in the hall. I didn't venture it myself but had wonderful sessions. Will be posting reports.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3046273]Hi guys,

I was there in Decembre and, with my great positive surprised, I found out that in some of this clubs things seem to be return like pre 2017, when you can fuck wherever full cabrio.

Myself I had the pleasure to FKK AO in public in Arabella, on the sofa in the second room.

And to see fucking full cabrio in public ad Villa Venus, and at Sauna Grimberg, where two men fucked a girl, one after the other, in the pussy with the second one with the pussy still dripping the sperm of the first one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;3047714]I was in Dieztenbach in late November and it was my first time in Ann AO club. I was surprised to see public sex right in the hall. I didn't venture it myself but had wonderful sessions. Will be posting reports.[/QUOTE]Thank you!

The public sex in the hall was with kondom or full cabrio / AO?

In December, I was at Grimgberg, Villa Venus, Arabella, and finally Leverkusen.

I saw that at Arabella, it's finally possible to have AO sex again, even if I'm not with kondoms, even on the sofas in the lounge, in public.

Sabrina, great!

At Villa Venus, I don't know; I only saw one bareback blowjob in public, then they went to the bedroom.

Could anyone give me more specific information on this?

At Grimberg, I only saw AO sex in public on the sofa upstairs, where a girl got cumshots first from a guy and shortly after from another guy who had joined in for a threesome.

Again, since they do it on the sofa in public upstairs, can anyone give me information on whether AO sex is allowed in public in the main lounges?

Leverkusen, I could be wrong, but I got the impression that in public, even blowjobs, are only allowed covered, because I was sitting on the couch in front of a screen with porn videos, and a girl approached a guy who wanted to fuck right there, but I think she then asked him something like, "So, with a condom?" And in fact, right from the blowjob, she started covered. Then a guy was sitting next to them, watching them and jerking off.

About VILLA VERENA, anyone has information about the allowance of AO public sex? They say there are many girls in this club.

NEGATIVE IMPRESSION.

In all these places, despite having abolished the 20-minute limit and keeping the half-hour rate at 40 euros, and the hour at 80 euros, I HAVE NEVER SEEN, NOR HAVE I MANAGED TO DO, BECAUSE AFTER A WHILE IT MADE ME UNDERSTAND THAT TIME WAS UP AND WE HAD TO GO, ROOMS LASTING MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.

With the regular customer on duty, who otherwise seemed satisfied.

Have you had the same experience?

Thank you so much in advance to anyone who will be patient and kind enough to contact me!

When AO is forbidden by law since 1 July 2017, public AO sex in lounge would be risky for clubs to be closed.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3045560]I have one recommendation for you. A Bulgarian in Aldi Dietzenbach called Esmeralda (name is probably not a coincidence). Very skinny, tall, dark skin, long black hair, lovely nipples, face looks like Selma Hayek, nice smile, friendly, excellent service that you are looking for. (But no English) Only 50 euro for one shot.[/QUOTE]I knew they'd abolished the 20-minute time limit, leaving the 30-minute time limit at 40, the 40-minute time limit at 50, and the hour time limit at 80.

And in December, I went to several RTC locations in NRW, and for "30 minutes" (actually 10 because the girl would then let you know, alas, it was time to finish) I always paid 40, not 50.

Anyone knows which is the entry price in this club RTC?

Many thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3047815]Anyone knows which is the entry price in this club RTC?

Many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]20 on HH at 2 pm, 30 at opening at 10 am. Good vanilla cakes. Sometimes around 15 girls, but no wow look I look for.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3047815]Anyone knows which is the entry price in this club RTC?

Many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]30 euros.
But 20 euros during 'happy hours' 2-4 pm and 7-11 pm.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3047805] . leaving the 30-minute time limit at 40, the 40-minute time limit at 50, and the hour time limit at 80.[/QUOTE]I have not heard of 50 euros for 40 min.
As far as I am aware, there is only a 30 minute rate. 40 euros for capped and 50 for AO.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3047805]I knew they'd abolished the 20-minute time limit, leaving the 30-minute time limit at 40, the 40-minute time limit at 50, and the hour time limit at 80.

And in December, I went to several RTC locations in NRW, and for "30 minutes" (actually 10 because the girl would then let you know, alas, it was time to finish) I always paid 40, not 50.[/QUOTE]40 € for 10 mn for real for sex is very expensive and have to be a real rabbit. Not looks nor rushing sex for me.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3047827]I have not heard of 50 euros for 40 min.
As far as I am aware, there is only a 30 minute rate. 40 euros for capped and 50 for AO.[/QUOTE]He told in NRW, not at Aldi. I don't know for rates. At Aldi, I love very warm great shower and vanilla cakes.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3047827]I have not heard of 50 euros for 40 min.
As far as I am aware, there is only a 30 minute rate. 40 euros for capped and 50 for AO.[/QUOTE]Officially the price is still 40 for 30 minutes, but many girls are doing very short rooms and mediocre service for 40.

I tend to pay my regular girls 50 and get decent service and usually around 30 minutes, occasionally the full 40 minutes.

50 is ok for Ao with licking, fingering and sometimes DFK.

If the room is going bad, I might end it early and pay 40.

Back in 2005 I was paying 50 for covered sessions in Palace Frankfurt, so 50 in 2026 not too bad.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3047885]Officially the price is still 40 for 30 minutes, but many girls are doing very short rooms and mediocre service for 40.

I tend to pay my regular girls 50 and get decent service and usually around 30 minutes, occasionally the full 40 minutes.

50 is ok for Ao with licking, fingering and sometimes DFK.

If the room is going bad, I might end it early and pay 40.

Back in 2005 I was paying 50 for covered sessions in Palace Frankfurt, so 50 in 2026 not too bad.[/QUOTE]Had many GFE with real FK rooms at Sharks with beauties for 100/60 on 2021, for more than 15 rooms. Not so long ago, when Germany is not Argentina for inflation. 100% or more for inflation since 2021, but many girls crying about slow business. Just their fault, making many regulars can t afford anymore. These girls and pimps are not smart and very bad for arithmetic at the end of their shift. They should return to school to learn to count.

No condom. AO.

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;3047801]Thank you!

The public sex in the hall was with kondom or full cabrio / AO?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;3047714]I was in Dieztenbach in late November and it was my first time in Ann AO club. I was surprised to see public sex right in the hall.[/QUOTE]I saw one too in the 3rd week of November.

There were about 15 girls present. One girl complained to me that some of the girls brought in their 'sisters', 'cousins' and friends, resulting in oversupply. The newer girls snapped up the customers leaving the older regulars without enough income.

On that day, the rooms upstairs were in great demand. There was always a couple waiting at the couch next to the stairs to grab the room key from the couple coming down.

The couches were also full. Many of the older girls were displaced from their usual seats.

It was in the context of this crowded environment that I saw the public AO act. One local went to sit next to his target girl. She then went on her knees to suck him. After about 5 minutes, she went to doggie position with her hands on the couch for him to fuck her. After about 3 minutes of thrusting, she gave a (simulated) scream, there was a 5 second applause, and that was the end of it.

I saw him go to the changing room, and he was back in his winter jacket and out of the club in a jiff.

My guess is that he gave up waiting for a room, and decided to finish it on the couch as he was rushing back to work after lunchtime.

This seems to be a repeat of my experience. The gentleman was at the first couch in front of TV and the girl exactly did the same as you described. Alas, there was no applause. I was taken aback having seen it first time and it happened all too suddenly even as I was waiting for the room with my girl!

[QUOTE=TankTank123;3048035]I saw one too in the 3rd week of November.

There were about 15 girls present. One girl complained to me that some of the girls brought in their 'sisters', 'cousins' and friends, resulting in oversupply. The newer girls snapped up the customers leaving the older regulars without enough income.

On that day, the rooms upstairs were in great demand. There was always a couple waiting at the couch next to the stairs to grab the room key from the couple coming down.

The couches were also full. Many of the older girls were displaced from their usual seats..[/QUOTE]

Just back from a week. Stayed in gelsenkirchen. Made several visits to Grim, Arab and Salome. Even with 10 euro happy hour entry clubs very really quiet. Some girls doing barely any rooms. Highlights were Monika in Salome, small Andrea in Arab plus Mona and Tara in Grim, all worth the 50 euro for high quality unrestricted sessions. I did pay 40 for some lackluster sessions with other bored girls.

Not only in low level AO RTC, but also in good quality clubs like Sharks or Sixsens, business seem quite slow on beginning of this year, when I saw real beauties with almost no business, when they are really not bad. Maybe crisis after Christmas.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3051135]Just back from a week. Stayed in gelsenkirchen. Made several visits to Grim, Arab and Salome. Even with 10 euro happy hour entry clubs very really quiet. Some girls doing barely any rooms. Highlights were Monika in Salome, small Andrea in Arab plus Mona and Tara in Grim, all worth the 50 euro for high quality unrestricted sessions. I did pay 40 for some lackluster sessions with other bored girls.[/QUOTE]Is Salome guaranteed to be AO? I might add it to the rotation when I visit in July.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3051135]Just back from a week. Stayed in gelsenkirchen. Made several visits to Grim, Arab and Salome. Even with 10 euro happy hour entry clubs very really quiet. Some girls doing barely any rooms. Highlights were Monika in Salome, small Andrea in Arab plus Mona and Tara in Grim, all worth the 50 euro for high quality unrestricted sessions. I did pay 40 for some lackluster sessions with other bored girls.[/QUOTE]Yes, can we confirm Salome is now AO and not a regular club?? If so I'll add it to my list of clubs to visit for my next tour. I plan to visit Arabella, Grimberg and Verena.

Also, why did you pay 50 euros, was it for longer time? The price is normally 40 euros.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3051479]Yes, can we confirm Salome is now AO and not a regular club??[/QUOTE]I think that it has some AO girls but not all and it's always been like that.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3051555]I think that it has some AO girls but not all and it's always been like that.[/QUOTE]Years ago, Freude 39 was AO, but not Salome. Sometimes can find in normal clubs, girls coming from AO, probably the prettiest being at Penelope from Grimberg. They usually still perform AO, but for extra, more expensive than in AO RTC which are cheap.

[QUOTE=Wanking;3051135]Just back from a week. Stayed in gelsenkirchen. Made several visits to Grim, Arab and Salome. Even with 10 euro happy hour entry clubs very really quiet. Some girls doing barely any rooms. Highlights were Monika in Salome, small Andrea in Arab plus Mona and Tara in Grim, all worth the 50 euro for high quality unrestricted sessions. I did pay 40 for some lackluster sessions with other bored girls.[/QUOTE]Interesting you found it quiet. I just spent the day in Grimberg and Arabella today, and there was quite a lot of traffic. It was similarly busy yesterday at Luderland. I haven't been to Salome yet. Thinking about going tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3051562]Years ago, Freude 39 was AO, but not Salome. Sometimes can find in normal clubs, girls coming from AO, probably the prettiest being at Penelope from Grimberg. They usually still perform AO, but for extra, more expensive than in AO RTC which are cheap.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying Sirioja. I personally hate negotiating services with girls, I need the sp to be willing and able to take my man juice at the price originally quoted. It seems that some girls provide AO in Salome and others don't??

In addition I see the translation in the website only gives you German and Turkish, do they not expect foreign English speaking customers.

How would you guys rate Salome in regards to Grimberg, Arabella & Verena??

Went to Salome yesterday. Arrived at 11:20 and was the first patron there. Only 2 girls were present at that time. A Bulgarian MILF and a young cute Turkish girl. More girls started showing up a little before 12. When I left at around 14:00 there were 10-15 girls present, and maybe 5 guys. This was undoubtedly the slowest of the clubs I was at this week.

I had 2 great sessions with 2 girls, the Bulgarian MILF, and later with another very petite Bulgarian 22 year old. The session with the young Bulgarian was insane. She was all over me and had crazy levels of energy. I don't remember experiencing anything like it. I hadn't noticed she had less than optimal teeth until we were in the room, and I'm glad I didn't, as I would have missed out on a wild experience.

The facilities there are much nicer and newer compared to Grimberg and Arabella.

I can also confirm no issues with the standard services provided in the RTC clubs, at least with the 2 ladies I was with.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3051664]Thank you for clarifying Sirioja. I personally hate negotiating services with girls, I need the sp to be willing and able to take my man juice at the price originally quoted. It seems that some girls provide AO in Salome and others don't??

In addition I see the translation in the website only gives you German and Turkish, do they not expect foreign English speaking customers.

How would you guys rate Salome in regards to Grimberg, Arabella & Verena??[/QUOTE]I'm not specialist for AO. I look for natural beauties, not for AO. Salome was since long time a mostly for Turkish club, a bit same than Mondial in Koln, but not AO there.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3051928]I'm not specialist for AO. I look for natural beauties, not for AO. Salome was since long time a mostly for Turkish club, a bit same than Mondial in Koln, but not AO there.[/QUOTE]At least the clientele that I saw there yesterday in the morning to early afternoon were all German. Maybe it changes later on in the day.

[QUOTE=JLifesOn;3052000]At least the clientele that I saw there yesterday in the morning to early afternoon were all German. Maybe it changes later on in the day.[/QUOTE]Before, Salome was not AO and was mostly a club at night. Quite empty on day.

Germans like AO, before returning to wife, reason why 2017 law.

[QUOTE=JLifesOn;3051919]I can also confirm no issues with the standard services provided in the RTC clubs, at least with the 2 ladies I was with.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Guys, I am not keeping up with the abbreviations here. What is AO? What is RTC? Please enlighten me!

[QUOTE=Filho;3052259]Guys, I am not keeping up with the abbreviations here. What is AO? What is RTC? Please enlighten me![/QUOTE]AO is sex without condom, risky. RTC are red carpet cheap clubs where AO, when forbidden by 2017 law.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;3051479]Yes, can we confirm Salome is now AO and not a regular club?? If so I'll add it to my list of clubs to visit for my next tour. I plan to visit Arabella, Grimberg and Verena.

Also, why did you pay 50 euros, was it for longer time? The price is normally 40 euros.[/QUOTE]Yes the price is still 40 for 30 minutes, but many guys tend to pay 50 if service is good. Paying 50 will often get you better service. If it's a shit or rushed room I still pay 40. But as many girls are not very busy they will be happy to fuck for 40.

Entry was only 10 euro happy hour price, so paying 50 per session felt ok. I only did 2 sessions a day anyway.

When the official price eventually goes to 50, I won't be rushing to pay 60 🤣.