Monterrey

Strike, you can find girls exactly like her at clubs like Harem and Casino.

Preferably Casino, where the girls are not as agresive fichawise as in Harem

But names... sorry, you'd need to wait till after our Easter Week for me to get you names.
Am off-duty for one week.

But Casino is a good option.



[QUOTE=Strike 69]Amigomio can you please recommend a couple of girls with a body similar of that of the legendary erotic movies of "ficheras" (porn star type) ? For example like Vicky Palacios:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTP9-IVAJGo[/url][/QUOTE]

This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

[url]http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/[/url]

Marius, perhaps your recomendation should have been posted at the "Other Areas" thread cause Tampico is 5 hours away from Monterrey by land.

I would have been preferable if you'd said "if you go to Mexico don't go to stripclubs owned by narcs, and be careful when at Tampico cause the federal forces are indeed after what's left of the Zetas."

Also, Tampico is NOT a border town, this is one half of the twin cities of Tampico and Ciudad Madero, oil towns on the Gulf Coast.

Perhaps you should also read in the news that the Zetas, former gunslingers to the Cartel del Golfo are on the run and are being hunted by everyone, army, navy, other cartels.

Perhaps you also don't know that they have been pushed from the State of Tamaulipas border towns to the middle of the country and you are seeing the last of the local bastions trying to defend what little they got.

Hopefully this will over in a couple of months.




[QUOTE=Marius 67]This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

[url]http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]....
Also, Tampico is NOT a border town, this is one half of the twin cities of Tampico and Ciudad Madero, oil towns on the Gulf Coast.
[/QUOTE]

Now Amigomio, remember in another forum I pointed out US news media referring to Monterrey as a border town. Apparently, Ms. South Carolina was right when she said that more people needed maps.

Last month, as I was traveling by bus between Monterrey and the US border, I paused to reflect on all the violence that I had been hearing about, sometimes wondering over the course of the 3.5 hour trip, if I was perhaps being a little too careless in coming back to Monterrey so often, that I might just be risking my own neck foolishly, feeling a little apprehensive at being a Gringo in Mexico.

I specifically recall, as the bus pulled into the outskirts of Monterrey, noticing that life is pretty much as usual. The closer we got to El Centro, the more normal everything seemed to be, everybody going about their daily business, everybody seeming as though nothing had really changed as far as their own safety is concerned, amidst what is most definitely a statistical increase in violent crime.

Certainly, the increase in violence is quite noticeable if you examine the statistics. But, having noticed how things appeared to be so normal as I came into the heart of Monterrey that day on the bus, it put everything in it's proper perspective, and I felt a lot more at ease about being there.

Monterrey is not Beirut, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Fact is, Monterrey is not probably any worse right now than some of our major US Cities, where I heard a few weekends ago, there were 16 people shot in Chicago on one weekend night.

If you were to visit Chicago, just as I first entered Monterrey on that bus, you would never know that it is such a violent place. Because, just like Chicago, life goes on in Monterrey, and the inhabitants are treating their own everyday existence just as routinely as they always have, with not much more than a matter of fact acknowledgment that things have gotten worse compared to a few years ago. Everybody is just a little more alert, a little more careful, and a little less carefree. But, life goes on for the 99.99% of them that are never even remotely touched by the statistical increase in violent crime.

And, that is what comforts me in my decision to return, that 99.9% of us beat the odds day in and day out whether we are in Chicago or Monterrey. For me, the added risk of being harmed just isn't worth the psychological harm that would result to my psyche were I to eliminate the delights of Monterrey from my life in favor of what is a comparatively delusional perception of safety achieved by staying in my own home town.


[QUOTE=Marius 67]This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

[url]http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Sorry for the delay.
Here's the link to my map:

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111503405859056842911.0004453c3d2b791e9f99a&ll=25.682762,-100.310926&spn=0.042388,0.068836&z=14&om=0[/url]

See you later this month... you won't believe how Infinito has changed since your last trip (Matehuala is now as close to zero as possible).
Also Harem and Casino have gone from big to bigger.[/QUOTE]Hi Amigomio.

Thank you for the maps! I was able to get into Monterrey on the 22nd. And had unexpected free time at 9 PM on Tuesday. At your suggestion went to Infinito. I agree. The lineup was INCREDIBLE! Best of the group for me anyway was Stephanie. English was passable. Good conversation & excellent privado. Unfortunately, her shift ended at 11(?). She stayed til midnight. One last privado. Two other quick meetings, rolled out a satisfied man at around 3 PM. I can't wait to get back! And I owe you a beer or two!

As a sidenote. You could tell that there is a lot of nervousness in Monterrey over the violence. Several co-workers reported trucks being hijacked & set on fire blocking busy streets. Most would not bring families out at night. A significant departure from a couple of years ago. For me. I felt very safe. Took the white cab from the Anciro. And green cab from Infinito back. No issue. I really do like this town!

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Marius, perhaps your recomendation should have been posted at the "Other Areas" thread cause Tampico is 5 hours away from Monterrey by land.

I would have been preferable if you'd said "if you go to Mexico don't go to stripclubs owned by narcs, and be careful when at Tampico cause the federal forces are indeed after what's left of the Zetas."

Also, Tampico is NOT a border town, this is one half of the twin cities of Tampico and Ciudad Madero, oil towns on the Gulf Coast.

Perhaps you should also read in the news that the Zetas, former gunslingers to the Cartel del Golfo are on the run and are being hunted by everyone, army, navy, other cartels.

Perhaps you also don't know that they have been pushed from the State of Tamaulipas border towns to the middle of the country and you are seeing the last of the local bastions trying to defend what little they got.

Hopefully this will over in a couple of months.[/QUOTE]

I prefer Altamira rather than Tampico to be honest, (although both of them are a conglomerated in the same area).

You are right Will,

Paranoia reigns in Monterrey right now.

Truth is after the events 3 weeks ago everything has calmed down.

I still do my rounds, I still go to the clubs, though I am back home by my 1 am selfimpossed curfew.

Hopefully in 2-3 months everything will be back to normal.



[QUOTE=Willa1]Hi Amigomio.

Thank you for the maps! I was able to get into Monterrey on the 22nd. And had unexpected free time at 9 PM on Tuesday. At your suggestion went to Infinito. I agree. The lineup was INCREDIBLE! Best of the group for me anyway was Stephanie. English was passable. Good conversation & excellent privado. Unfortunately, her shift ended at 11(?). She stayed til midnight. One last privado. Two other quick meetings, rolled out a satisfied man at around 3 PM. I can't wait to get back! And I owe you a beer or two!

As a sidenote. You could tell that there is a lot of nervousness in Monterrey over the violence. Several co-workers reported trucks being hijacked & set on fire blocking busy streets. Most would not bring families out at night. A significant departure from a couple of years ago. For me. I felt very safe. Took the white cab from the Anciro. And green cab from Infinito back. No issue. I really do like this town![/QUOTE]

You have been going home at 1am for ten years...what "self imposed" curfew? You mean compared to 30 years ago? :-)

Things are for the most part, business as usual right now in Monterrey, with just a slight, and I do mean slight, increase in a heightened awareness when you're out and about, or running around at night. However, I do know a couple of girls that have stopped working the clubs for fear that they might get caught in some kind of cross fire late at night if they continually expose themselves to that late night environment. They have left their jobs in the strip club industry and are cutting hair, fearing for their lives.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]You are right Will,

Paranoia reigns in Monterrey right now.

Truth is after the events 3 weeks ago everything has calmed down.

I still do my rounds, I still go to the clubs, though I am back home by my 1 am selfimpossed curfew.

Hopefully in 2-3 months everything will be back to normal.[/QUOTE]

(_!_) Un culito normal…

(__!__) Un culito gordo…

(!) Un culito chiquito….

(_._) Un culito mucho tiempo sentado….

{_!_} Un culito celulítico…

(_o_) Un culito con mucho “kilometraje”..

(_O_) Un culito con mucho más “kilometraje”

(_*_) Un culito roto…

(_x_) Un culito fruncido…

(_X_) Un culito clausurado…

(_$_) Un culito que vale oro…

[_T_] Un culito cuadrado…

(_:_) Un culito raro..

(_@_) Un cyberculo…

(_?_) Un culito misterioso…

(_#_) Un culito lastimado…

(__) Un culito cerrado…

(_%_) Un culito con granitos…

(_\/_) Un culito con tanga…

Y no podían faltar…

(o)(o) tetitas perfectas…

( )( ) tetitas falsas de silicona…

(*)(*) tetitas de pezón alto…

(@)(@) tetitas de pezón grande…

(^)(^) tetitas con frío…

(o)(O) tetitas disparejas…

\o/\o/ tetitas caídas…

( – )( – ) tetitas mordiditas….

(oYo) tetitas pequeñas pero seductoras..

( o Y o ) ¡¡¡ UUUUY QUE PAR DE TETAS!!!

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
(__!__) Un culito gordo…
[/QUOTE]

¿cómo se dice "oxymoron" en español?

[QUOTE=Super Gato]¿cómo se dice "oxymoron" en español?[/QUOTE]


· Oxímoron. (Del gr. oxymoron). m. Ret. Combinación en una misma estructura sintáctica de dos palabras o expresiones de significado opuesto, que originan un nuevo sentido; p. ej., un silencio atronador.(Según el Diccionario de la Real Academia Española de la Lengua)

well, you asked.

[QUOTE=Bbond]· Oxímoron. (Del gr. oxymoron). m. Ret. Combinación en una misma estructura sintáctica de dos palabras o expresiones de significado opuesto, que originan un nuevo sentido; p. ej., un silencio atronador.(Según el Diccionario de la Real Academia Española de la Lengua)

well, you asked.[/QUOTE]

¿Y "rhetorical question"?*


*that is a pregunta retórica.

LOL
My friend USB got that from a local blog, my far-from-being-my-competition-forum.



[QUOTE=Super Gato]¿Y "rhetorical question"?*


*that is a pregunta retórica.[/QUOTE]

Well. Living closer to Monterrey has me going once every two weeks. I take the bus from the boarder town of Miguel Aleman which takes about two hours to get to Monterrey. Traveling to Monterrey can be quite unnerving. The bus on this route passes through a small town called Ciudad Meir. I was completely blown away of what I saw passing through. Several cars and trucks crashed with bullet holes, businesses and residential houses burned, and a city deserted with the exception of the Mexican police and Soldiers. With that being said; Monterrey is still relatively safe. You can vastly increase your safety by speaking decent Spanish. Infinto is still a good place to go to. But please no one pay these girls more than $1, 350 for a salida. I was surprised that most of these girls were asking for more. They lose big when they refuse a salida, because most of the locals Spend less than $300 pesos. Most of the Mexican locals sit up front from the stage to get a free grab of ass. Which really annoys the girls. I was able to find a strong 9 for the base price of 1,350.

One other thing I noticed recently about Infinito was the openess of drug use by the dancers and locals.

Please stay safe fellow Mongers. And remember. Don't pay more than $1, 350 pesos for a salida at Infinito!

Let me explain a couple of things here.

The 1,350 pesos is composed as 1000 pesos for the girl and 350 for the house.
Yes, I agree in not paying more.

But one must accept the fact that Infinito of today is not the same as Infinito of a couple of years back.
Many of the girls working today are hotter and, alas, newer than most of the girls that worked before at El Infi. And this aplies specially to the night shift, where veterans will ask for tips and money to be groped, where the afternoon shift girls ask for nothing.
Night shift girls will ask for 1500 pesos plus 350 pesos for salida, cause they value themsleves above the other shift.

Believe me, cause I have seen them change several times and the generation of girls of today, contrary to the ones of yesteryear, now understand that Infinito is good money for them.
Girls from other clubs that have shunned Infinito, now work there and accept that they make more money than before.

Let me add here the job description for those that don't know the club: Infinito is a working class club.
Contrary to the regular clubs where the girls get their daily salary via drinks, personal dances and maybe a 15 minute private room, the girls get their money from dances and extras.
Opposite rules that the girls at Infinito like, cause in their hearts, they don't like to mingle, sit and drink with customers, make "friends" with them.

Some of the girls simply can not leave the premises, cause some have their boyfriends working around or inside Infinito or simply cause they just don't do salidas.
That is a fact.

On the other hand, and sorry to contradict you cause the girls without leaving can make a nice amount of money.

The afternoon shift for example works from 2 pm to 11 pm.
The divas of that shift start arriving, some at 5 pm and even some at 7 pm, just to work for several hours.

One of my GFs works Thursday thru Saturday and makes over 2000 pesos without stepping outside the club.
As a matter of fact for her, going out on salidas is not a good business.

One of the top monymakers there is Denisse.
She seldom dances (I have only seen her dance once), she is seldom seen standing on the place where all the girls stand, I have only seen her once up on stage during a presentation.
Denisse almost never lays foot on the main floor and I am not joking here. She's always on privados, with a long line of customers waiting for her.
Guys pay 20-30 (120 minutes), 50 pesos privados plus extras.
This girl makes 3000 a day when she works.
I want to bet any of you guys visiting Infinito if you have ever seen Denisse on the floor, heard or seen her.

Same aplies to Mabel, Brenda, Bridgit, Yuriko, Syria, Yoselyn, Hanna and her sister Valeria.
And those are only 8 names in a shift that has 35-40 girls.

I once asked some of them why they do salidas on a minimum basis and I got this as an answer: "Only with friends, cause I make more money here".

Night shift girls are out of my league, aside that I don't like them, but the best bet to get an afternoon shift girl out, is to let her know that you want to see her after 11 pm, after her shift ends.
Best time, best bet, cause you only pay the 1000 pesos, not the 350 for the house.





[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. Living closer to Monterrey has me going once every two weeks. I take the bus from the boarder town of Miguel Aleman which takes about two hours to get to Monterrey. Traveling to Monterrey can be quite unnerving. The bus on this route passes through a small town called Ciudad Meir. I was completely blown away of what I saw passing through. Several cars and trucks crashed with bullet holes, businesses and residential houses burned, and a city deserted with the exception of the Mexican police and Soldiers. With that being said; Monterrey is still relatively safe. You can vastly increase your safety by speaking decent Spanish. Infinto is still a good place to go to. But please no one pay these girls more than $1, 350 for a salida. I was surprised that most of these girls were asking for more. They lose big when they refuse a salida, because most of the locals Spend less than $300 pesos. Most of the Mexican locals sit up front from the stage to get a free grab of ass. Which really annoys the girls. I was able to find a strong 9 for the base price of 1,350.

One other thing I noticed recently about Infinito was the openess of drug use by the dancers and locals.

Please stay safe fellow Mongers. And remember. Don't pay more than $1, 350 pesos for a salida at Infinito![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Let me explain a couple of things here.

The 1, 350 pesos is composed as 1000 pesos for the girl and 350 for the house.

Yes, I agree in not paying more.

But one must accept the fact that Infinito of today is not the same as Infinito of a couple of years back.

Many of the girls working today are hotter and, alas, newer than most of the girls that worked before at El Infi. And this aplies specially to the night shift, where veterans will ask for tips and money to be groped, where the afternoon shift girls ask for nothing.

Night shift girls will ask for 1500 pesos plus 350 pesos for salida, cause they value themsleves above the other shift.

Believe me, cause I have seen them change several times and the generation of girls of today, contrary to the ones of yesteryear, now understand that Infinito is good money for them.

Girls from other clubs that have shunned Infinito, now work there and accept that they make more money than before.

Let me add here the job description for those that don't know the club: Infinito is a working class club.

Contrary to the regular clubs where the girls get their daily salary via drinks, personal dances and maybe a 15 minute private room, the girls get their money from dances and extras.

Opposite rules that the girls at Infinito like, cause in their hearts, they don't like to mingle, sit and drink with customers, make "friends" with them.

Some of the girls simply can not leave the premises, cause some have their boyfriends working around or inside Infinito or simply cause they just don't do salidas.

That is a fact.

On the other hand, and sorry to contradict you cause the girls without leaving can make a nice amount of money.

The afternoon shift for example works from 2 pm to 11 pm.

The divas of that shift start arriving, some at 5 pm and even some at 7 pm, just to work for several hours.

One of my GFs works Thursday thru Saturday and makes over 2000 pesos without stepping outside the club.

As a matter of fact for her, going out on salidas is not a good business.

One of the top monymakers there is Denisse.

She seldom dances (I have only seen her dance once), she is seldom seen standing on the place where all the girls stand, I have only seen her once up on stage during a presentation.

Denisse almost never lays foot on the main floor and I am not joking here. She's always on privados, with a long line of customers waiting for her.

Guys pay 20-30 (120 minutes), 50 pesos privados plus extras.

This girl makes 3000 a day when she works.

I want to bet any of you guys visiting Infinito if you have ever seen Denisse on the floor, heard or seen her.

Same aplies to Mabel, Brenda, Bridgit, Yuriko, Syria, Yoselyn, Hanna and her sister Valeria.

And those are only 8 names in a shift that has 35-40 girls.

I once asked some of them why they do salidas on a minimum basis and I got this as an answer: "Only with friends, cause I make more money here".

Night shift girls are out of my league, aside that I don't like them, but the best bet to get an afternoon shift girl out, is to let her know that you want to see her after 11 pm, after her shift ends.

Best time, best bet, cause you only pay the 1000 pesos, not the 350 for the house.[/QUOTE]I know that you Amigomio live in the city and probably know more of how things work. But when the girl decides to stay and go for the $50 peso lap dance,. She's only getting half, so 25 pesos and the other half goes for the bar. She ends up with $25 pesos and getting severly groped by the locals, then getting groped by at least 12 guys while dancing on stage where no money is made, this is not good deal in my book. I believe the answer is pure stupidty and ego by these girls. Last Saturday a girl refused me due to a $150 pesos diffirence for a salida. Later on that night I see her chatting away with a client for about two hours. She might have made 400 pesos tops with the fechas. I don't understand. Maybe it's not about the money. The only way a girl can make an equal amount of money compared to a salida is having sex at the bar with multiple locals, where the risk of getting an STD greatly increases. I cannot comprehend their thinking process. For those of you that are not aware, Infinitos lap dance cubicles are completely sprayed with semen.

I just can't comprehend their thinking method.

in the case of el infinito, it's 350 pesos for the bar fine, but other bars charge more, sometimes up to 800 pesos. so, if you find a good girl in el infinito, one that you would otherwise have to pay more for elsewhere, i recommend you make the assessment based on your individual circumstances.

don't misunderstand, i don't advocate that we overpay them. far be it from me to overpay them. on the contrary, i have made a career out of getting more time with them for less money. but, i also don't pass up a "10" if she's offering to go with me for 1500 pesos either. i mean, comon' that's a $41.00 difference between 1000 and 1500 pesos. i wouldn't kick one of those divas out of bed for $41.00. :-) especially when i consider the opportunity cost, opportunity lost in light of travel investment, etc...

with respect to what the girls make for time spent working in the bar versus going on salida, the divas can earn more working their weekend shifts than going on salidas. if you do the math, they can earn about 25 pesos for each song in the privados, and songs last 4 minutes each, plus they get their salary if they achieve their quota each night, around 450 pesos i think, and the divas most definitely do get their quotas met.

so, they're making their 25 pesos every 4 minutes, and sometimes they make more for less time if they cut you short on time with the cooperation of their partners in crime at the top of the stairs. but, they're not just making 25 pesos every 4 minutes. they are charging, and up-charging, if they can get away with it, for extras. so, the ones that are in the privados constantly can make more than they make on salida.

25 pesos every four minutes in the privados = 562.50 pesos for the girl every 90 minutes. if she rotates through 6 clients in 90 minutes, charging them extras, she will make approximately 2,200 to 2400 pesos in 90 minutes, more or less, depending on how good she is at bringing them off. less rotation, 4 instead of 6 clients, then there's slightly less profitability. but, even if they only rotate 4 clients in 90 minutes, that's still 1200 pesos for extras. it isn't hard for the divas to rotate 4 clients every 22-25 minutes. and, if you stay in there longer than 22-25 minutes, they make money even faster because they don't have to find another customer downstairs. don't misunderstand, they don't sustain that regimen the entire night, but it's not hard to calculate that they can indeed make more by staying in the bar than they can going on salida. but, what we have going for us is that going on salida is a lot easier on them.

2,400 pesos on the high end is quite a bit more than 1000-1500 pesos on salida. the secret is to catch the girls when things are slow, and they see no other prospects. weekends are the worst because they are much more profitable for the girls than weekdays, which is why i am not excited about weekends. but, there is less selection on weekdays. so, if you want to choose from the best selection, 1000 pesos is not typically going to be as easy to arrange as if you were asking them on tuesday, wednesday, or thursday night for example.

i am sort of depressed on friday and saturday nights, and don't have a lot of ambition on weekends with the girls. i know the girls are not so motivated to go on salida on weekends. and, too, there are so many more impetuous guys on weekends, many more willing to part with their money foolishly, getting little more than a peck on the cheek at times, thereby creating a lot more competition for me. that's why i do most of my prowling on weekdays. i can often arrange for double the amount of time spent for about 25% less than the average going rate, sometimes a lot more time for less than the average rate.

but, i know from knowing some of the girls very well, as friends, and as amigovias, that it is damned hard work. can you imagine one client after another in those filthy privados for 6-8 hours straight, rotating clients every 22-25 minutes. that's what they do night after night. weekends are really hard on them, and i don't mean "hard-on" but difficult for them :-).

and, it's also why they eventually retire even when they are making huge amounts of money compared to their peers, many of them still looking really hot. the job eventually gets to them, all of them, some worse than others, some sooner than later. they simply can not sustain that kind of routine night after night. it's also why some of them only work weekends. they can't take the wear and tear night after night during the week and then endure the weekends too.

so, what amigomio said is true, el infinito is truly a cash cow compared to some of the other bars in town. but, it's hard work, and many of the girls often leave el infinito due to wear and tear, to clubs that focus on selling drinks, a much easier job to perform night after night with significantly less wear and tear. the girls working the medium level bars look down on el infinito, but the reality is the infinito divas are earning more money than the divas in the medium level bars. but, they're working a lot harder for it. it's still a difficult job in the drink bars, even at bars like casino, harem, etc...but at least it's sustainable for them. el infinito, long term, is simply not easily sustainable, and any girls that are there long term truly possess an ability that most of them do not have.

i have known girls who have sustained so much wear and tear on their bodies, and upon their psyche, that on doctors orders, they have taken what they intended only to be short vacations from it, just to rest up. but, they ultimately never return. the older they get the harder it is on them. as they approach 27, 28 , 29 years of age, they just can't tolerate it, and they realize that they can't live that lifestyle as a maturing adult, apart from the realization that they are no longer nubile hotties just turning 18 years old.

and, there is where the ilicit drugs come into play...many of them believing they will receive a boost that will keep them in the game, when all the while the drugs tear them down even further and faster. the wisest ones get out and stay out, or maybe they gravitate to the drink bars to live out the sunset of their lives into their mid-thirties.

[quote=marius 67]well. living closer to monterrey has me going once every two weeks. i take the bus from the boarder town of miguel aleman which takes about two hours to get to monterrey. traveling to monterrey can be quite unnerving. the bus on this route passes through a small town called ciudad meir. i was completely blown away of what i saw passing through. several cars and trucks crashed with bullet holes, businesses and residential houses burned, and a city deserted with the exception of the mexican police and soldiers. with that being said; monterrey is still relatively safe. you can vastly increase your safety by speaking decent spanish. infinto is still a good place to go to. but please no one pay these girls more than $1, 350 for a salida. i was surprised that most of these girls were asking for more. they lose big when they refuse a salida, because most of the locals spend less than $300 pesos. most of the mexican locals sit up front from the stage to get a free grab of ass. which really annoys the girls. i was able to find a strong 9 for the base price of 1,350.

one other thing i noticed recently about infinito was the openess of drug use by the dancers and locals.

please stay safe fellow mongers. and remember. don't pay more than $1, 350 pesos for a salida at infinito![/quote]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I assume you must mean do not pay them more than 1000 pesos, plus the 350 to the bar. In the case of El Infinito, it's 350 pesos for the bar fine, but other bars charge more, sometimes up to 800 pesos. So, if you find a good girl in El Infinito that you would otherwise have to pay more for, I recommend you make the assessment based on the circumstances.

The divas can earn more working their shifts than going on salidas. If you do the math, they can earn about 25 pesos for each song in the privados, and songs last 4 minutes each, plus they get their salary if they achieve their quota each night, and the Divas most definitely do.

Yes, they're making their 25 pesos every 4 minutes, and sometimes they make more for less time if they cut you short on time with the cooperation of the partners in crime at the top of the stairs. But, they're not just making 25 pesos every 4 minutes. They are charging, and upcharging if they can get away with it, for extras. So, the ones that are in the privados constantly can make more than they make on salida.

Somebody check my math, but...25 pesos every four minutes in the privados = 562.50 pesos for the girl. If she rotates through 6 clients in 90 minutes, charging them extras, she will make approximately 2,362 to 2400 pesos in 90 minutes, more or less, depending on how good she is at bringing them off. Less rotation, 4 instead of 6 clinets, then it's less profitability. But, even if they only rotate 4 clients in 90 minutes, that's still 1200 pesos. It isn't hard for the divas to rotate 4 clients every 25 minutes. And, if you stay in there longer, they make even more because they don't have to find another customer downstairs.

2,400 pesos on the high end is quite a bit more than 1000 pesos on salida. The secret is to catch the girls when things are slow, and they see no other prospects. Weekends are the worst because they're much more profitable for the girls than weekdays, which is why I am not excited about weekends, sort of depressed because I know the girls are no so motivated on weekends. That's why I do most of my prowling on weekdays.[/QUOTE]Sir,

That is all correct if they have super good luck. And if the stars line up in the heavens. Truth being most Mexican locals don't have that kind of cash to throw around. I'd say over 90% of them hardly come into Infinito with 400 pesos. Yes, thats true she can make that money in the privados, If she is going to have about 5 to 6 guys screwing her in 1 1/2 hrs. But thats not unheard of. Hahaha. Truth is they do get lucky in spurts, but nothing like the math that UnospongeBob speculates on. The other component that does play a role is drugs. I'd say over 80% of the girls are addicts.

[QUOTE=Marius 67]Sir,

That is all correct if they have super good luck. And if the stars line up in the heavens. Truth being most Mexican locals don't have that kind of cash to throw around. I'd say over 90% of them hardly come into Infinito with 400 pesos. Yes, thats true she can make that money in the privados, If she is going to have about 5 to 6 guys screwing her in 1 1/2 hrs. But thats not unheard of. Hahaha. Truth is they do get lucky in spurts, but nothing like the math that UnospongeBob speculates on. The other component that does play a role is drugs. I'd say over 80% of the girls are addicts.[/QUOTE]

No speculation involved...

The girls have to have at least 30-40 privados to achieve their quota to collect their salary. Believe me, those Divas collect their salary almost every weekend night, unless it's raining, or it's very cold out, which cuts into the number of clients visiting the bars.

So, based on the lower number, just 30 privados, they earn 450 pesos salary. So, 30 songs x 25 pesos = 750 pesos + 450 pesos salary = 1200 pesos in only 120 minutes (30 x 4 minutes). During that time, they are able to up sell, most of them making at least 300-600 pesos for each extra sold, all earned simultaneous to their earning by the song.

Amigomio is right, the Divas are busy constantly in El Infinito, some of them for hours on end, you never see them on the floor. Most of them that are successful like that work 4-5 hours, sometimes only one weekend night. Believe me, the entire time they are not on the floor, they are earning.

The Divas typically only have to work about 3-4 hours every weekend, one night a week to make ten times more than most Mexicanos earn working 7 twelve hour days a week. The really successful ones earn BIG MONEY by Mexican standards, and they don't have to work any other job, or earn from any other source, to be considered wealthy.

Girls do not do salidas for various reasons. Some have a delusional ethic that as long as they are at "work" in the bar it's their job, and they are not h**kers. Others of them have boy friends or husbands that prohibit them to leave the bar. Others of them are afraid to leave with strangers. Others of them prefer to earn the money in what they consider to be a safer environment. And, some of them, when asked to go on salida, can gauge the level of patrons in the bar, and know that they would be missing out on making just as much money as if they just bounced on your lap for 4 minutes.

And, consider this...even girls that are are HOT, not necessarily considered Divas, but popular in El Infinito, they're busy 5 hours straight when they show up. I have been with them when they're off duty, and their contemplating arriving at work, actually dreading it. They are so popular that they do not even want to approach the front door of the bar to tell them they will not be going to work for fear that they will be mauled by hordes of guys dying to get a piece of them.

Those girls are busy constantly, and while they earn from extras, much of the time they do so just selling privados, bouncing on laps, talking, mild petting, and doing little else, earning well even on week nights. Many of the them are in the privados the whole time, barely finding time to go to the bathroom, many of them literally rushing to eat dinner in ten minutes because they feel the pressure of losing opportunity to earn by the minute.

Chances are, you have never even seen them working the bar. You know why? They are NEVER downstairs...they're constantly in the privados. The moment they hit that bottom step, they're whisked back up into the privados.

But, anyway, if they do nothing but bounce on laps and chat most of time, they earn no less than 375 pesos per hour, 1875 pesos per night, plus salary.

And, consider this...if they have not yet achieved enough privados to have earned their salary, and you ask them to go on salida at that moment, they're considering the loss of their salary, 450 pesos. And, also the bar requires them to be earners in order for them to keep their jobs, their opportunity to earn huge amounts of money.

That's why many of them won't go with you. They are thinking of their lost salary, of not achieving earning potential for their employers, which is required of them to keep their jobs, making your offer of 1000 pesos a losing proposition for them (1000 pesos -450 pesos) depending on when you proposition them. That really is the key...when to ask them.

And, assuming they're also up-selling frequent extras, it sometimes makes leaving with us a losing proposition over the course of 90 minutes. And, believe me, the good girls have no problem selling extras, one after another.

Just want to send out a thank you to Amigomio for driving me around and showing me some new venues on Monday. Great to finally meet you!

USB, sorry I couldn't hang around for another day to meet you, too, but work calls me home.

I should be back a couple of times, in the next three or four months, and look forward to hooking up with the Monterrey gang!

I'll be in Thailand in nine days (pending the potential civil war). Eat your hearts out, guys!!

Sorry we could not have met Genghois. Let us know when you're coming back. The chances are I will be there next time you visit.

Thailand...don't rub it in!!! :-) Have a great time!

Well, you can't have anything but a great time. Therefore, I'll wish you a safe trip instead.



[QUOTE=Genghois]Just want to send out a thank you to Amigomio for driving me around and showing me some new venues on Monday. Great to finally meet you!

USB, sorry I couldn't hang around for another day to meet you, too, but work calls me home.

I should be back a couple of times, in the next three or four months, and look forward to hooking up with the Monterrey gang!

I'll be in Thailand in nine days (pending the potential civil war). Eat your hearts out, guys!![/QUOTE]

This Wednesday, the night of my return to Monterrey, fifty masked gunmen stormed a downtown Monterrey Holiday Inn kidnapping several hostages. The Holiday Inn is less than two miles from where I stay.

The attack is believed to be drug related, and fortunately, no deaths were reported during the pre-dawn attack. Police response was delayed because the criminals used stolen vehicles that they used to block the roads leading to the hotel. The SOBs went room to room with the desk clerk to find the specific ones they were targeting, obviously to gain access to their locked doors, and take them hostage.

I am, for the first time, considering a self imposed exile from Mexico as a result of this escalation. Up until now, I was relatively nonchalant about it, believing that crime is certainly everywhere, certainly in the United States.

I am getting so much pressure now from loved ones back home that are concerned for my safety, that I am likely to have to return home prematurely because of Wednesday's events. I am not fearful myself, as I have always been kind of a fearless soul, marching into the stare of the Devil himself if I sense there to be an upside on the other side. But, loved ones are not so strong...

The terrorists, and that's what they are, they are ruining my fun!!!!!! And, it may be ruined for a very long time. Is there nothing more to happen to we Gringos? First, we are screwed by our financial system, robbed of our savings, our economy stands to be wrecked for 20 years to come by the bums running our government, not to mention the crooks running our corporations. And NOW...we can not even escape the madness by slipping away temporarily to our beloved Mexico for fear that we will be targeted, kidnapped, and ultimately assassinated by a bunch of losers.

Unospongebob,

I told you so. Society in Mexico has deteriorated. I would not dare tell of the Insane Tales of Horror the Taxi's, Bar Tenders, Bus Drivers, and our local dancers have told me. Infinito is at the heart of Zeta territory. Be careful!. Lots of dancers and waiters fear that Infinito might be sprayed with bullets. Just make yourself a hard target when going to Infinito.

I also feel that I'am getting priced out at Infinito. I can't afford that kind of cash every weekend. I need to find other venues in Monterrey.

UnospongeBob please stay safe amigo, I would like to meet and hang out some time in the future. Your past writings got me involved in this hobby.

Marius, sir, my money calculations have already taken in account what belongs to the girl and what belongs to the House.

And believe me, I have talked to many girls working at Infinito and many of them prefer to be groped by customers than to sit, drink till they fall and pretend they are friends with a customer.

And Marius please, Infinito is not a first class club.
Infinito is a working class club, supposedly, lower end of the spectrum kind.
A great club, never the less

You should see what the girls at the upper end class clubs earn.

And the most important part that you are not thinking about is that the money is completly tax free.

Marius, you should consider jumping up a notch to clubs like Casino, Pasarelas, Harem, good clubs I favor too.
Of course if you go there prices will go up almost exponentially.

Having a girl sit with you in those clubs will make you spend around 500 pesos in drinks, just drinks, and get nothing in exchange if compared to Infinito.
Personal dances will add 60 pesos per dance to your tab.

If you want a 15 minute quickie 550 pesos and half an hour room, 1300 pesos (all these depends on the club).

We are talking now 1000 pesos to 1800 pesos.
And my figures are on the conservative side.

Proportionaly speaking the girls get more and it costs more, much more to pay a salida at this clubs (1500 for her, 1000 salida fee for the House).
And I have been witness to girls saying no to customers that are willing to pay the price.

Why? Cause they get more money sitting down at the clubs than getting into bed with a customer.
Same thing that happens along at all clubs.

The girls are in the business to get money, and maybe by the way, satisfy the customer.

You are going to the clubs thinking you are doing the girls a big favor when you should go with the mentality that the girls without a second thought, will screw you and not the other way around.

You are spending too much time thinking that they will fall for a couple of pesos when you must consider that their monetary ambition is over everything and ahead of you by many steps.

ElCabron, USB, Doubt, me and many others have been personally betrayed by GFs that have dropped any well laid plans in favor of the guy with more bills in his wallet.

Any time you lay foot at a club, you must have the idea that everyone is after your money, even if they are not.
Thing is you have to work yourself around all these barriers, flank the girls defenses, let them know you know how business works, and hit them hard.
And show no weakness, cause you will be lost.








[QUOTE=Marius 67]I know that you Amigomio live in the city and probably know more of how things work. But when the girl decides to stay and go for the $50 peso lap dance,. She's only getting half, so 25 pesos and the other half goes for the bar. She ends up with $25 pesos and getting severly groped by the locals, then getting groped by at least 12 guys while dancing on stage where no money is made, this is not good deal in my book. I believe the answer is pure stupidty and ego by these girls. Last Saturday a girl refused me due to a $150 pesos diffirence for a salida. Later on that night I see her chatting away with a client for about two hours. She might have made 400 pesos tops with the fechas. I don't understand. Maybe it's not about the money. The only way a girl can make an equal amount of money compared to a salida is having sex at the bar with multiple locals, where the risk of getting an STD greatly increases. I cannot comprehend their thinking process. For those of you that are not aware, Infinitos lap dance cubicles are completely sprayed with semen.

I just can't comprehend their thinking method.[/QUOTE]

I made a point yesterday to USB: All this event that happend was weird.

These gunmen were after someone specific and they couldn't find him.

Well, my point is that I want to point out that am still doing my club rounds at night, still doing my lunch buffet rounds at noon.

You guys can really start thinking about it whan I write here: I am quiting the SC scene.

But that will just not happen right now, boys and girls.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]This Wednesday, the night of my return to Monterrey, fifty masked gunmen stormed a downtown Monterrey Holiday Inn kidnapping several hostages. The Holiday Inn is less than two miles from where I stay.

The attack is believed to be drug related, and fortunately, no deaths were reported during the pre-dawn attack. Police response was delayed because the criminals used stolen vehicles that they used to block the roads leading to the hotel. The SOBs went room to room with the desk clerk to find the specific ones they were targeting, obviously to gain access to their locked doors, and take them hostage.

I am, for the first time, considering a self imposed exile from Mexico as a result of this escalation. Up until now, I was relatively nonchalant about it, believing that crime is certainly everywhere, certainly in the United States.

I am getting so much pressure now from loved ones back home that are concerned for my safety, that I am likely to have to return home prematurely because of Wednesday's events. I am not fearful myself, as I have always been kind of a fearless soul, marching into the stare of the Devil himself if I sense there to be an upside on the other side. But, loved ones are not so strong...

The terrorists, and that's what they are, they are ruining my fun!!!!!! And, it may be ruined for a very long time. Is there nothing more to happen to we Gringos? First, we are screwed by our financial system, robbed of our savings, our economy stands to be wrecked for 20 years to come by the bums running our government, not to mention the crooks running our corporations. And NOW...we can not even escape the madness by slipping away temporarily to our beloved Mexico for fear that we will be targeted, kidnapped, and ultimately assassinated by a bunch of losers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]
ElCabron, USB, Doubt, me and many others have been personally betrayed by GFs that have dropped any well laid plans in favor of the guy with more bills in his wallet.

Any time you lay foot at a club, you must have the idea that everyone is after your money, even if they are not.
Thing is you have to work yourself around all these barriers, flank the girls defenses, let them know you know how business works, and hit them hard.
And show no weakness, cause you will be lost.[/QUOTE]


Amigomio is correct. They will take the highest bidder. Problem is, you might not be there to up your bid. I have learned to jump when I find something I like and don't make plans for later. I've also learned that I might find something I like better later too. Once I developed that "I don't care" attitude with them, then things got a lot easier on me.

Sorry, a bit off topic, what are the upper level clubs? I have been to infinito and it was not bad, but the privados were a bit too public for me.

Hey Marius,

Well, yeah, things have, just in the last 4 weeks seemingly, taken a more serious tone here. It isn't Beirut yet, but it definitely requires one to take an extra measure of security. If anyone comes down now, just take things a little slower, and think over what you're doing before you do it. Keep track of your surroundings, and maybe be a little on edge when you're out and about. Hey, if they really want you though, you're probably toast. If they come looking for me in my hotel, they're going to have a rude awakening when they see my bank account :-).

I know Amigomio, and he is basically a Pollo in Sheep's clothing. Just joking...comon' don't get mad, get even! :-)))

The reason I used Amigomio for the brunt of that little jab is I know that he is a very intelligent, careful, and cautious kind of hombre. He is still frequenting El Infinito and the rest of the bars. I believe that in this present environment anything can happen, so I don't mean to minimize your warnings about what might occur Marius. Your warnings are prudent, and I did not mean in my former comments that anyone should minimize the risk. There is a risk here. Just when I start to minimize any risk, with my kind of luck, that's when I'll get my head shot off.

But, Amigomio is still going, and if he is still making the rounds, I'll go with his assessment...until he gets me killed...then, I won't have much to say about it. :-)

I have contemplated taking a rest from such frequent visits, and I might still do it. But, I have a lot to lose. I have other responsibilities to a relationship here that keep me coming down as often as I do. I have to take care of my girl, and try to keep things moving in the right direction with her, or I will probably lose track of her. It has little to do with sex or mongering now, so I am really trapped. I am literally here probably far more often than I would probably otherwise be given the violent circumstances.

Next time you come down, let me know and we can hang out together if I'm around Marius. Going to El Infinito tonight with Amigomio. Wish me luck. I would like to be packin,' but the gun laws here prohibit my doing so.





[QUOTE=Marius 67]Unospongebob,

I told you so. Society in Mexico has deteriorated. I would not dare tell of the Insane Tales of Horror the Taxi's, Bar Tenders, Bus Drivers, and our local dancers have told me. Infinito is at the heart of Zeta territory. Be careful!. Lots of dancers and waiters fear that Infinito might be sprayed with bullets. Just make yourself a hard target when going to Infinito.

I also feel that I'am getting priced out at Infinito. I can't afford that kind of cash every weekend. I need to find other venues in Monterrey.

UnospongeBob please stay safe amigo, I would like to meet and hang out some time in the future. Your past writings got me involved in this hobby.[/QUOTE]

Actually, you're right on topic...

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson

I thinik I am forgetting at least one. You know, there has been a few new places spring up that are trying to represent themselves as High End, at least their prices are high end anyway. I don't recall the names of the new places, but Amigomio might know of them from his Yahoo group. They are all of them relatively small I believe. Amigomio, what am I forgetting?

[QUOTE=IhateUPS]Sorry, a bit off topic, what are the upper level clubs? I have been to infinito and it was not bad, but the privados were a bit too public for me.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, within reason, you have to jump at the opportunities and take your lumps if you choose wrong. If you wait for everything to line up, the opportunity usually deteriorates with them, and you just find yourself with blue balls, and being frustrated that you're stuck with the second string to choose from. Amigomio doesn't have to do this because he can take his time. But, even as frequently as I am here in Monterrey, I have to also make quick, and sometimes rapid assessments to maximize my travel dollar, and frequently make what someone that lives here would consider hasty and careless kinds of selections.

And, Amigomio will love this analogy after our political discussions today...With respect to selecting girls, if you don't have the time to aim, you're best pulling out the shotgun, verdad?

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Amigomio is correct. They will take the highest bidder. Problem is, you might not be there to up your bid. I have learned to jump when I find something I like and don't make plans for later. I've also learned that I might find something I like better later too. Once I developed that "I don't care" attitude with them, then things got a lot easier on me.[/QUOTE]

I read something about a metropolis premier on some spanish site. Is that 1 any good? I'm not looking to give money away like at a SC from up north, just looking for a bit of an upgrade. Any of those a board fav? I'm not big on bouncing all over the city looking for a place unless I feel like the people @ the club are trying to rip me off.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Actually, you're right on topic...

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson

I thinik I am forgetting at least one. You know, there has been a few new places spring up that are trying to represent themselves as High End, at least their prices are high end anyway. I don't recall the names of the new places, but Amigomio might know of them from his Yahoo group. They are all of them relatively small I believe. Amigomio, what am I forgetting?[/QUOTE]

Let me clarify USB's post on the upper level high end clubs so IhateUPS might get the whole picture.

Grand tourism type SCs:
(uberexpensive)

1. Amnesia
2. Premiere
3. Reno
-------------------------
5 Star clubs
(expensive)

4 Prestige
5. Obsession
------------------------------

And the rest:


4 Star clubs
(Less than expensive)

6. Poisson
------------------------------

3 Star Clubs
(Moderate priced clubs)

7. Harem
8. Pasarelas
9. Casino
10. Womans
11. La Coneja
12. Chocolate
13. Azul Tequila
-------------------------------

Working Class clubs
(Still moderate priced)

14. Infinito
15. Tangalay
16. Givenchy
17. El Cielo
18. La Cava
19. Matehuala
20. Siamesas
-----------------------------------

And of course there are the rest.
There are many out there in Monterrey, but these are probably the most known in the area.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Actually, you're right on topic...

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson

I thinik I am forgetting at least one. You know, there has been a few new places spring up that are trying to represent themselves as High End, at least their prices are high end anyway. I don't recall the names of the new places, but Amigomio might know of them from his Yahoo group. They are all of them relatively small I believe. Amigomio, what am I forgetting?[/QUOTE]

How does that country western song go?

"I've got friends in LOW PLACES" :-) As in, El Infinito, El Cielo, Givenchi, and the lowest of the low, Beibis, Parthenon (when, and if it's open, and not being falsely charged with child trafficing)...oh, and Tango too!

And, the reality is, just as Marius was saying, the expenditures, even in the lowest of the low, will eventually bankrupt us if we aren't careful. And, honestly, I limit my hunting to the lowest of the low for that very same reason, cost.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Let me clarify USB's post on the upper level high end clubs so IhateUPS might get the whole picture.

Grand tourism type SCs:
(uberexpensive)

1. Amnesia
2. Premiere
3. Reno
-------------------------
5 Star clubs
(expensive)

4 Prestige
5. Obsession
------------------------------

And the rest:


4 Star clubs
(Less than expensive)

6. Poisson
------------------------------

3 Star Clubs
(Moderate priced clubs)

7. Harem
8. Pasarelas
9. Casino
10. Womans
11. La Coneja
12. Chocolate
13. Azul Tequila
-------------------------------

Working Class clubs
(Still moderate priced)

14. Infinito
15. Tangalay
16. Givenchy
17. El Cielo
18. La Cava
19. Matehuala
20. Siamesas
-----------------------------------

And of course there are the rest.
There are many out there in Monterrey, but these are probably the most known in the area.[/QUOTE]

I've never gotten a girl out of the higher end clubs (not for a lack of trying). But I have had a few from the 3rd tier, working class and below (Tango). I noticed a difference between the working class and 3rd tier. It seemed that the higher the level, the more "normal" the girl seemed. More like the girl next door type. Not that those can't be found in the lower clubs. I believe it just might be more rare. UnospongeBob and Amigomio feel free to correct me if this is wrong.

But, on the other hand. The best experience I have ever had with a girl, bar none, hands down, best in show.... was a girl from the Tango. This is not to be confused with the Tangalay, the Tango is that rat hole, nasty bar on the corner north of El Infinito. Tango I would rate as below working class. I pop my head in occasionally and got lucky once. Never saw her in there again.

So, there might be rules to this game, there are no absolutes.

Premiere can be singled out as the most expensive club in Monterrey in the sense that they boast they have the best girls in Monterrey within the best instalations a club can offer.

Girl part is not true at all and it hasn't been for years and only the best instalations can be labled as a "grand tourism" joint.
The girl quality you find at Premiere can be found at brother club Amnesia and others like Obsession and Prestige.
The side that hurts, it's extremely expensive to get something done here.
We must be talking around 5000 pesos to get only a quickie in one of their parlours.

Be forwarned that getting there requiers a taxi, one that will surcharge you and afterwards you yourself will be surcharged at the club for being an out of towner.

Going to Premier is not one hell of a way to move up.
My recomendation, if you really want to move up, go to Poisson first, right in the middle of the expensive and moderate priced clubs.

That way you'll exactly know how much you would pay at a place like Casino or Harem (you half the tab) or exactly the opposite, how much you would not pay at Amnesia or Premiere (you ante the tab by 100%).

[url]http://www.premiermonterrey.com/[/url]



[QUOTE=IhateUPS]I read something about a metropolis premier on some spanish site. Is that 1 any good? I'm not looking to give money away like at a SC from up north, just looking for a bit of an upgrade. Any of those a board fav? I'm not big on bouncing all over the city looking for a place unless I feel like the people @ the club are trying to rip me off.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking poisson also when I saw your breakdown of the clubs. Infinito was ok. The drinks were cheap, the girls were nice, I just didn't have a hotel that would have welcomed guests and the privado area took a couple beers to get used to. Is sheraton still the hotel of choice? Are taxis an issue? I had no problem getting to and fro. It was cheaper than I had imagined.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Premiere can be singled out as the most expensive club in Monterrey in the sense that they boast they have the best girls in Monterrey within the best instalations a club can offer.

Girl part is not true at all and it hasn't been for years and only the best instalations can be labled as a "grand tourism" joint.

The girls you find at Premiere can be found at brother club Amnesia and others like Obsession and Prestige.

The side that hurts, it's extremely expensive to get something done here.

We must be talking around 5000 pesos to get only a quickie in one of their parlours.

Be forwarned that getting there requiers a taxi, one that will surcharge you and afterwards you yourself will be surcharged at the club for being an out of towner.

Going to Premier is one hell of a way to move up.

My recomendation, if you really want to move up, go to Poisson first, right in the middle of the expensive and moderate priced clubs.

That way you'll exactly know how much you would pay at a place like Casino or Harem (you half the tab) or exactly the opposite, how much you would not pay at Amnesia or Premiere (you ante the tab by 100%).

[url]http://www.Premiermonterrey.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

Sheraton is still GF friendly... till last week.
Security has been tighten all over the map.

And I don't think taxis are an issue. Still the same as last time.

If you are going to be here and the dates are concur, PM to meet other mongers that will be visiting Monterrye too.



[QUOTE=IhateUPS]I was thinking poisson also when I saw your breakdown of the clubs. Infinito was ok. The drinks were cheap, the girls were nice, I just didn't have a hotel that would have welcomed guests and the privado area took a couple beers to get used to. Is sheraton still the hotel of choice? Are taxis an issue? I had no problem getting to and fro. It was cheaper than I had imagined.[/QUOTE]

Usb,

Sorry to hear about this news, I am supposed to be going to Monterrey at the end of May for 5 days business. What Hotel do you think I should stay at, and also now it looks bad to go out at night to play with some girlies, do you think the concierge of the hotel may be able to bring a girn to the hotel for me.

I am also getting concerned, as I have read a alot of bad vibes, and I have to go as I need to get the business.

Please any help from anyone, and maybe Amigomio may be able to take me to the places to find the girls, or assist in getting me a regular supply to my room

Please guys anyone help me when I arrive end of May.

Hi Guys,

I am coming to Monterrey at the end of May, need someone to join up with to have some girl fun with.

As for all the recent troubles, is it a good idea to go out to the clubs, or would it be better to stay in hotel, and find concierge to get me girls to come to my room.

Please anyone about wishes to meet, or can help me please let me know

Many thanks

Good News...

I bought some antibiotics and viagra at one of the local pharmacies, NO script required. I purchased around 6 packages of Azitromicina, a few Erithromicina, and a package of (4) Viagra. So, I was elated, and stocked up when I had the opportunity. I will definitely try a few other places before I leave town. Amigomio, have they suspended the new rule of having to have a script, or delayed it's implementation, or is business just still being done in the manner that has me continually pleased with my beloved Mexico?

Hello Trainman,

I would not discourage you from coming down at this juncture. After having heard a little more explanation as to the events occurring at the Holiday Inn, I believe that the incident at the Holiday Inn would not likely be played out in an environment such as one of the strip clubs. However, there is a drug war going on between gangs. So, an added level of caution is recommended. Some of the girls in the bars on Villagran are worried that the gangs are going to spray the place with gun fire. But, that's probably an overly dramatic reaction to what's going on. Those girls always think they're the center of attention, verdad?

Some of us remember being able to walk between the clubs at 4am, and never having a problem. So, with the violence lately, I would recommend always taking a taxi, although I have not been taking my own advice lately with respect to not walking between clubs like between Beibis and El Infinito for example. But, I am resolved to doing so, and will impose a greater degree of discipline upon myself on any future days, not necessarily because of the drug war, but because I've been hearing more tales of robbery occurring, etc...I tell my GF that I have never been even remotely bothered when walking around between clubs near the Villagran gauntlet. But, she says it's because I am a big guy, and they won't screw with me. Frankly, a knife or a gun is a great equalizer, and they buy a lot of bravery, so I think she's just comforting herself with the idea that they won't mess with me...they will. But, so far, they haven't.

If I had to guess, I would recommend staying at the lower level hotels, ones that are Mexican owned, frequented by Mexicanos only. They should cost around $50-$70 a night because, frankly, none of these gang members that are in the news being targeted would ever be caught dead in one of them. They would only stay in the lap of luxury. And, the ones I recommend are not bad places...they lack some of the niceties, but they're not too bad. After all, I have stayed in one of this description for over five years, and built up trusty status, even in a place that discourages bringing girls in.

You want to limit your exposure, and by staying in the level of hotel that isn't frequented by the high rolling drug cartel members, ie: The Holiday Inn, The Ancira, The Sheraton, etc...where not only the rich Gringos stay, but also the rich Mexicanos, who are the prime targets apparently in these violent acts, you're probably going to be pretty safe. It does not appear that the gangs are targeting Norte Americanos. They are targeting Mexicanos.

The problem you're going to have is with bringing girls back to any of the hotels you might choose. Even if you try to get someone to bring girls in for you, the hotels are strict about limiting that kind of activity. Even if you pre-pay someone to do it for you, you're libel to be disappointed when it doesn't actually happen, or if some desk clerk throws up a road block to your activities. It all just depends on whether you can sneak them in, stay pretty low key, remain sort of under their radar, and ascertain if a few well placed pesos are libel to have them looking the other way for you.

I bring my GF back to my hotel, but they know her as my GF, and they accept her as such. If you parade one of the girls from the clubs that doesn't appear so discrete, or she looks like a brightly colored fishing lure, they are pretty quick to object.

So, you may need to just accept the option of doing things with the girls in the clubs if you can't get them into your hotel. Maybe you can try to bring one back to whichever hotel you find, and go from there. Just keep in mind that you might have to go to plan B, and that you might have to limit your fun to just inside the bars, if you get stopped cold by the hotel staff.

But, you have to be willing to experiment, and possibly lose out on your attempt to bring her back, thereby most certainly losing your bar fine, and possibly having to tip her sufficiently for her wasted time if you can't get her in. But, once in, you probably have it made for other nights, especially if you've ascertained that a few well placed pesos can get it accomplished. Even with my own experience in Monterrey, were I to switch hotels, these would be among my very same concerns, and I would have the same expectation as you, that I might have to go to plan B.

I've chosen not to disclose my own personal hotel on ISG because protecting that investment is paramount to my own fun, and publishing it on ISG would have me risking my own arrangements. Simply put, I just don't want hordes of dudes descending on my hotel, and testing their patience.

But, even if I did disclose the name of the hotel here, they do not permit girls into my hotel anyway. I have never seen anyone bring a girl into my hotel, not in five years. So, as a new visitor to the city, you really wouldn't have the sway that I have with my hotel personnel that allow me, a repeat guest for over 5 years, to get away with a lot more than most would be permitted to do.

There are two hotels that I publish on ISG as being girl friendly, the Sheraton Ambassador, and the Plaza Del Arco Hotel at Madero and Avenue Pino Suarez. The Plaza Del Arco is of the category I described, and it was the original hotel I found back about 10 years ago, with the help of a waiter at the now closed TVO bar. Beyond those two, I am almost positive there are probably others that will cooperate with you, but they should be in the category that I described, Mexican owned, franchised or not, mostly Mexican patrons, probably a little austere compared to typical Norte Americano standards, and the most important, they should be relatively obscure themselves, small, not prominent locations, almost hidden from view, and possibly unknown even to taxi drivers.

There are a ton of these kinds of hotels around the city, but nobody that is a frequent contributor to ISG really knows for sure with respect which to recommend. In my case, I stick with mine out of habit, and because I am in a position to be able to get by with a lot as a regular customer. So, why reinvent the wheel. And, the rest of us are the same way, not really tempting fate once we find a place. Therefore, probably the only one that might have a better handle on other suggestions is Amigomio, whose got some links to his Yahoo group. But, as has been said by Amigomio many times, there aren't many that he hears of that are girlfriendly, other than the NO-Tell Places.

Amigomio, what about the No-Tell Hotels on Colon? Those are kind of obscure, on side roads, etc...The only danger over there might be some petty street crime, and he might run into the street walkers, and/or some transvestites, but who said mongering was easy. From there, he can use taxis everywhere he goes to avoid any potential issues from street crime or the weirdos.

Trainman, USB himself regrets the post he wrote about Monterrey.

And let me repeat myself: As long as I don't write here that things are hot in Monterrey, everything is OK, of course, with a little more highten personal security.
Believe me I will be the first to write "do not come".
As of today, I am not saying that.

Being that, maybe USB and I can take you around the clubs when you come in May.
Dont' worry about it.
You'll have fun.

Let me add one thing on USBs choice of hotels.

Sheraton is still GF friendly... I think.
Plaza del Arco is no longer GF friendly.

Hampton Inn Galerias/Obispado is i some aspect, but you have to tip the security guys and tell them in advance you will be coming back with company.

We have short term motels... real good stuff and cheap.
20 dlls will buy you a very good room for 4 hours.

If youhave anymore questions, please ask them.



[QUOTE=Trainman]Hi Guys,

I am coming to Monterrey at the end of May, need someone to join up with to have some girl fun with.

As for all the recent troubles, is it a good idea to go out to the clubs, or would it be better to stay in hotel, and find concierge to get me girls to come to my room.

Please anyone about wishes to meet, or can help me please let me know

Many thanks[/QUOTE]

Many thanks USB & Amigo, I shall let you know my dates of arrival, and maybe we can meet for a drink.

Can I ask what nationality you both are and what ages. I am 44 and British

Many thanks,

TM

I am an American...

When the girls ask me my age, I tell them that I am 20-30 years older than they, conservatively, but that I am also about 15 years old at heart :-))), and still a LOT of FUN!!!




[QUOTE=Trainman]Many thanks USB & Amigo, I shall let you know my dates of arrival, and maybe we can meet for a drink.

Can I ask what nationality you both are and what ages. I am 44 and British

Many thanks,

TM[/QUOTE]

Mexican, local boy, 50 years old.


[QUOTE=Trainman]Many thanks USB & Amigo, I shall let you know my dates of arrival, and maybe we can meet for a drink.

Can I ask what nationality you both are and what ages. I am 44 and British

Many thanks,

TM[/QUOTE]

Many thanks Guys,

How can I contact you both when I arrive, as want to start having fun as soon as possible.

Meeting you would really assist me, as my time is only maybe 4 nights in Monterrey.

TM

Trainman, you need to PM us.

Rules and regulations establish that.



[QUOTE=Trainman]Many thanks Guys,

How can I contact you both when I arrive, as want to start having fun as soon as possible.

Meeting you would really assist me, as my time is only maybe 4 nights in Monterrey.

TM[/QUOTE]

Hello Trainman,

Please coordinate through Amigomio. I will tag along if I am here in Monterrey when you arrive. I am back in the USA at various times and may not be available here when you arrive. I'll certainly be pleased to tag along if we are here simultaneously.

[QUOTE=Trainman]Many thanks Guys,

How can I contact you both when I arrive, as want to start having fun as soon as possible.

Meeting you would really assist me, as my time is only maybe 4 nights in Monterrey.

TM[/QUOTE]

Hello Carlos.

Sorry to ask. Is everything fine?

The local group is kind of lost.

Sorry again for the question. Been there since Melsdick.

Trainman,

AmigoMio is kind of under the weather for the moment. Last Tuesday, Amigomio went for a checkup. We thought nothing of a slight discomfort that he was experiencing. He did finally go in for a checkup. I know that he felt bad again Thursday Night. I learned today that he is doing fine now, but on doctors orders, he's been ordered to slow down a bit.

I guess until he feels well again, and is making his normal rounds, you can PM me, and I'll help you any way I can if I don't happen to be in Monterrey when you arrive.

I hope Amigomio will be back in full swing soon, but for now he told me he has decided to take a little break from his normal routine, both work and play. I am sure he'll be back soon enough, but for a time, he will not be available in Monterrey. When we talked today he was concerned that we not leave you unattended should you arrive during his absence. So, let me know your schedule, and I'll help you out best I can.


[QUOTE=Trainman]Many thanks Guys,

How can I contact you both when I arrive, as want to start having fun as soon as possible.

Meeting you would really assist me, as my time is only maybe 4 nights in Monterrey.

TM[/QUOTE]

Sorry to hear from amigomio. We all hope that he will be much much beter very soon. He is kind of a local "hero" in our Monterrey group. I also live in Monterrey, and if you need any assistence in your trip here. I will be glad to help you. You can reach me here or give me your email or something to be in touch. I am new in this particular forum.

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Which strip clubs in Monterrey have the most beautiful/hottest dancers in terms of face & body??? Also, which clubs give the most mileage for your money??? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Based on your handle, and what you are asking for, I have not only the club for you but the girl also.

Go straight to Infinito and ask for Mabel .. you will adore her, and she meets your specifications, trust me.

We must considere what Rastaman wants first.
There are those that don't have your milage Blourghus.

Infinito can overwhelm you if you don't know the club.
I have seen many mongers just sit at the club and look bewildered as the action goes around them
Plus many just don't like the privados.

Rastaman asks for the hottest girls, in terms of face and body, that would place Poisson as the first choice with Prestige and Obsession going up in class.

Best milage for your money, then that would be Infinito.

PS: Yes, as USB says, I had a little bout with that evil enemy we know as High Pressure.
Not that it got me as in "threat to my life", but close enough.
Lets say that something happened on Tuesday and that shot my blood pressure through the roof.





[QUOTE=Blourghus]Based on your handle, and what you are asking for, I have not only the club for you but the girl also.

Go straight to Infinito and ask for Mabel .. you will adore her, and she meets your specifications, trust me.[/QUOTE]

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Betomty, my email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]. i'd love to hear from you.

I shall be booking flights this week.

Be great to get a few girls and have a party somewhere, anyone up for that

Trainman

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Like we told you: PM us.
But you need to buy the ISG subscription.



[QUOTE=Trainman]Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Betomty, my email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]. i'd love to hear from you.

I shall be booking flights this week.

Be great to get a few girls and have a party somewhere, anyone up for that

Trainman

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Can anyone tell me if they have smoking rooms at the sheraton, if not can anyone let me know a good girl friendly hotel to stay at with smoking rooms.

My tickets are booked and I arrive in Monterrey on the 28th or 29th as I shall stay in Mexico City for 1 or 2 days before I come to Moneterrey.

If anyone wants to meet up and go out for some fun, pm me, I have now joined.

Many thanks to all

TM

There are three tiers of clubs to select from...

"KNOW YOURSELF..." That is the first step when making selections as to which of the three tiers is most likely to appeal to you, and it will help you determine where you're going to spend your time. I recommend you plan it out first, before you ever get to Monterrey.

Knowing what you like in advance will maximize your play time, and minimize your running all over town to actually find what you like. A lot of time is sometimes spent running all over, from bar to bar, looking for your own brand of perfection, when in reality, if you know your own criteria intimately, you're more likely to be spending time sitting in the bars versus sitting in the taxis. Sometimes the running around is unavoidable, and sometimes running all over to get as much a taste of the different environments can be fun, for some, myself included. But, for some, they prefer to cut right to the chase, get on with it, and not spend so much time sampling. I am personally a sampler. I am known to literally stick my head in a bar, turn my head left and right, make snap judgments about the environment, the selection, etc...and if things do not feel right, I move on to the next, sometimes visiting as many as ten bars in one night. But, I do so rapidly, making very quick judgements, spending sometimes less than 60 seconds making my assessment, getting a feel for the vibe of the bar, then moving on if my intuition isn't peaked.

But, if you're more interested in cutting right to the chase, and do not want the work of running all over the place to find perfection, then you might want to choose from the list of bars we recommended, and stick to the plan.

First, the bars are all "safe," in that you need not worry about your safety as a general rule, one level compared to the other. I mean, my farm is safe too, but you might get kicked in a head by a horse, bitten by a snake, chased by a chicken, stung by a bumble bee, or step in a cow pie, etc... So, safety is relative, verdad? Life is dangerous...but, the bars aren't any more dangerous than what can occur in other places that appear to be safe. And, lets face it, the bars are safer than if you booked a room at the Holiday Inn in El Centro, verdad?

The lower level, working class bars are raucous, very filthy, very uncomfortable to relax, but cheaper. Girl quality is the same to slightly lesser quality than most medium level bars, except for El Infinito, which in my opinion can hold it's own compared to any of the high end expensive bars in town, maybe even superior at times. Money is earned from privados rather than drinks. So, many girls that earn in that way are not as charming as girls earning from the sale of drinks...theoretically. There are exceptions...

And, whether charm is really a valid criteria for guys that do not speak much Spanish...well, maybe it isn't so important. However, even when my Spanish was quite limited, it always amazed me how some girls were more charming than others. And, for some guys, it's all about looks, and very little about personality and charm. Personally, I prefer a girl with a certain demeanor versus a Diva with little or no personality, which is characteristic of many a Diva indeed. So, for me, knowing my own self as I do, I am often more satisfied with a girl that may not be a Diva, but is cute, charming, etc...

I am often accused by Monterreydude of having criteria that are too high with respect to looks, but that is a false accusation. I am not that particular, except I like them YOUNG (usually 22-28), thin, short, usually dark skinned, usually dark hair, and at a minimum they must at least be "cute." But, sometimes the ones I select based on appearance, if they are virtually boring, or at times when some of them do open their mouths but have no personality, they drop ten points automatically. So, the whole package needs to be there for me, and that's why I am sometimes deemed "particular" by Monterreydude.

The medium level bars are not quite as raucous, much more comfortable to relax with a girl, talk to her, play around a little with her on your lap, etc...not as filthy, and slightly more expensive. The girls will possess a better quality of personality, and they will be more charming with you than the typical lower end working class bar.

Frankly, the expensive bars, other than to attend Prestige for lunch, I do not visit them. But, what time I have spent in them over the last ten years, they do not impress me, not in the least compared the quality of selection I can get in the medium and lower level bars. The high end bars are much cleaner, more comfortable than the medium level bars, in that the facilities are in newer and better condition, they are glitzier, sometimes more GRINGO-IZED with respect to music played, sometimes having a higher percentage of girls that speak English, etc...But, they are a much more expensive cost for drinks and services, and the girl quality is not proportionally better than El Infinito, IMHO. However, the girls are required to sell very high priced drinks, and logically, they should possess good personalities to do so. However, I must admit, I am often totally and completely blown away at how often girls in the high end bars lack personality. There is the occasional exception, but I've usually been disappointed at the cost as it relates to any additional benefit to the higher end bars.

My favorite bars are as follows. When I want to relax, I go to the Medium Level Bars. When I want to take a girl out, I find them in the Lower End Working Class Bars.

Low End: El Infinito, Givenchy, El Cielo, Beibis, Tango, Parthenon (when open).
Medium Level: Azul Tequilla, Pasarelas, Casino, Harem, Bahamas, Woman's

And, much of my time these days is occupied with a GF, and I have spent less and less time in the bars over the last five years. So, I personally feel that I need to visit some more lower and medium level bars to see if things may have changed for the better in others of them, and whether I am missing something. I kind of feel that I could be in sort of a funk with respect to "predictability" at the bars I routinely visit.

The sampling above is the tip of the iceberg in Monterrey, and I really need to visit a wider range of bars, especially the medium level ones, to see if there might be some other ones that are escaping my radar due to laziness, and because going to the familiar has just become routine and convenient. And, besides, these bars all change almost on a daily and weekly basis, and visiting one today doesn't mean it will be good tomorrow, according to my criteria. I suspect there are so many frontiers to be explored, bars where I am missing out on so many new girls. I just haven't had the initiative lately, and a GF to fill my time doesn't help my energy level. And, there are many times when I'm satiated, not really caring if I see girls or not. I have one available to me all the time, and I've become somewhat reluctant to throw the money away on trying to scratch a place that doesn't itch.

Monterrydude has a fantastic map that reveals the locations of each of the bars of any consequence in the city, and the map is good to copy so you have something to show taxi drivers. The map can be obtained by private message request to Monterreydude. It will be your most valuable resource, so make sure you get it, keep it with you, etc...After ten years of coming to Monterrey, I still keep a copy in my briefcase. I never have to use it at this juncture, but it's there if I need it, or want to venture out to brave new worlds of something.

I know myself...do you??? And, I mean that generally speaking, addressing the typicaly reader...Get that part out of the way first, and your short time in Monterrey will be more satisfying. Because, you have little time to waste like we do, those of us that live in Monterrey, or visit with such frequency that we're working an ongoing program, meeting girls and continuing relationships with them over time.

I literally have no less than nine amigas that know me well, and they are all available. Most of you that visit will not have that luxury. Your time spent will seem excruciatingly short. You do not have the luxury to test out theories like we do. Therefore, you must make the effort to know yourself in advance, stick to your plan of action, and execute it. I believe that's going to be your best bet for maximizing your experience in Monterrey.

[QUOTE=Trainman]Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Betomty, my email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]. i'd love to hear from you.

I shall be booking flights this week.

Be great to get a few girls and have a party somewhere, anyone up for that

Trainman

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I received a PM from a gentleman looking for some advice with respect to recommendations for an MP or escort situation. The gentleman describes himself as shy, and not great with the Spanish language. The gentleman knows that I frequent the strip clubs, but he says that such an environment is a little intimidating, and that it may not be his kind of scene, he believing that with his particular reservations, the strip club environment may not be comfortable for him.

I am posting some of my recommendations to him here in the forum, the blind leading the blind. But, some of you may be able to post your replies here, and he can follow some better informed recommendations than mine. It is true that I frequent the strip clubs, but I totally and completely respect those that prefer the other venues.

Here is my partial reply to him:

"About three years ago, I did a world wind tour of the MPs in a taxi for several hours, just trying to scope them out, and put them in some kind of pecking order in case I wanted a distraction. The ones below are the ones that seemed the best to me at that time. But, they change almost daily.

Marcella
Misses
Romanos (Owned by Misses)
Verssace
Signore
Virgo
Playboy (1,2,3,4)
Faraonas (1,2)
Shampoo

Were I you, I would grab a taxi driver, and do a lot of looking around for a couple of hours just to see what's good that day. It can be very iffy. I'm sure you may already know this, but El Sol newspaper, in the Oxxo Stores, which are like grains of sand around the city, has an extensive listing of MPs, escorts, and out call girls. I think El Sol comes out on Wednesday if I'm not mistaken. There will be many ads in El Sol for all kinds of services, MPs, etc...I would use it for the addresses, and take it with me in a taxi.

I know of an English speaking driver that I used on one occasion. His name is Sr. XXXX, and he will not probably remember me because it's been a while since I used him. But, he spoke pretty good English, he seemed reliable, his taxi was clean and presentable, air conditioned, and he can get you were you need to go with the least amount of language barrier.

I haven't called Sr. XXXX lately because I really don't necessarily need an English speaking driver, and I use my own drivers for business, using them strictly for business, and I don't mix my night time activities in their presence, if you know what I mean. SR. XXXX's number is XXXXXXXXXX.

I would hook up with him were I you, tell him what you want to do. I'm sure he will be able to help you, and the language barrier will be less of an issue if you have a taxi driver you can call that speaks the English language.

When I used a taxi to scope out the masage parlors, it only cost me about 200 pesos (less than $20 US for several hours). I don't know what SR. XXXX will charge, but you can work it out with him. When I use a driver for business, it usually costs me around $100 pesos per hour, more or less, a little less than $10 US per hour. They will stick with you as long as you want them, and if you get their number for future days, they'll be quite eager to have a steady customer for a few hours each day. Hope this helps! Good Luck! USB"

I sent him a PM too.
Recomended to him both Extravagance and Versace.

First cause they are more or less of the same class and no more than a block and half from each other in the downtown area.
For a better referece to USB that knows his way around Monterrey, Extravagance is 2 blocks down one of the streets that borders Pasarelas MC,


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I received a PM from a gentleman looking for some advice with respect to recommendations for an MP or escort situation. The gentleman describes himself as shy, and not great with the Spanish language. The gentleman knows that I frequent the strip clubs, but he says that such an environment is a little intimidating, and that it may not be his kind of scene, he believing that with his particular reservations, the strip club environment may not be comfortable for him.

I am posting some of my recommendations to him here in the forum, the blind leading the blind. But, some of you may be able to post your replies here, and he can follow some better informed recommendations than mine. It is true that I frequent the strip clubs, but I totally and completely respect those that prefer the other venues.

Here is my partial reply to him:

"About three years ago, I did a world wind tour of the MPs in a taxi for several hours, just trying to scope them out, and put them in some kind of pecking order in case I wanted a distraction. The ones below are the ones that seemed the best to me at that time. But, they change almost daily.

Marcella
Misses
Romanos (Owned by Misses)
Verssace
Signore
Virgo
Playboy (1,2,3,4)
Faraonas (1,2)
Shampoo

Were I you, I would grab a taxi driver, and do a lot of looking around for a couple of hours just to see what's good that day. It can be very iffy. I'm sure you may already know this, but El Sol newspaper, in the Oxxo Stores, which are like grains of sand around the city, has an extensive listing of MPs, escorts, and out call girls. I think El Sol comes out on Wednesday if I'm not mistaken. There will be many ads in El Sol for all kinds of services, MPs, etc...I would use it for the addresses, and take it with me in a taxi.

I know of an English speaking driver that I used on one occasion. His name is Sr. XXXX, and he will not probably remember me because it's been a while since I used him. But, he spoke pretty good English, he seemed reliable, his taxi was clean and presentable, air conditioned, and he can get you were you need to go with the least amount of language barrier.

I haven't called Sr. XXXX lately because I really don't necessarily need an English speaking driver, and I use my own drivers for business, using them strictly for business, and I don't mix my night time activities in their presence, if you know what I mean. SR. XXXX's number is XXXXXXXXXX.

I would hook up with him were I you, tell him what you want to do. I'm sure he will be able to help you, and the language barrier will be less of an issue if you have a taxi driver you can call that speaks the English language.

When I used a taxi to scope out the masage parlors, it only cost me about 200 pesos (less than $20 US for several hours). I don't know what SR. XXXX will charge, but you can work it out with him. When I use a driver for business, it usually costs me around $100 pesos per hour, more or less, a little less than $10 US per hour. They will stick with you as long as you want them, and if you get their number for future days, they'll be quite eager to have a steady customer for a few hours each day. Hope this helps! Good Luck! USB"[/QUOTE]

i collected a bunch of business cards from the mps i visited a few years ago that i believed had potential at the time...but, the mps can fluctuate wildly, so who knows if they are still any good now. and, some may have closed or moved. but, here goes...

romanos, tapia 862 ote, arista and tapia
misses, tapia 654, ryan and pino suarez
signore villagomez, 828 nte. entre carlos salazar and arteaga.
playboy 1, tapia 353, pte. on the corner of jimenez and tapia.
playboy 2, arteaga 1015 pte.
playboy 3, isaac garza 421 pte.
playboy 4, villagran, no. 641
verssace, carlos salazar 615 ote.
virgo, madero no 846 ote., arista and dr. coss, above secrets mc
shampoo, colon #1162 at the corner of zaragoza

as for hotel accommodations, i have been scoping out one for a few years that may have some potential. i can not entirely vouch for this hotel, but it's not too far from villagran and carlos salazar. therefore, it's close to the gauntlet where there are numerous mps, el infinito, el cielo, beibis, tengo, givenchy, etc...all within about three blocks walking distance from the hotel.

at that time, the hotel was named hotel le-gar, but i believe it may have changed hands since i checked it out, and i don't remember the new name if in fact it has changed names. the hotel is on the same block as carlos salazar, located about 1 block to the west of pino suarez street and only 1 block to the south of arteaga. it is literally only 5 blocks from the bus station on colon. so, it's really well situated for walking to your entertainment areas, should you want to do so, and you should have no problems finding taxis if you want a little added security.

i did check out the rooms a few years ago, and it seemed like it was a little worn with respect to furniture, etc...the rooms seemed pretty spacious however. based on the brochure i picked up at the time, and just now, after looking at their photographs of the rooms in the brochure, i recollect a pretty decent sized room. and, with respect to being slightly worn, it has apparently since been renovated since i visited the rooms. it is pretty centrally located for fun. plus, it fits that criteria i mentioned a few posts ago, mexican owned, mexican patrons, obscure location, not a national chain, etc...the likelihood that you would be noticed with respect to being targeted for criminal activity is pretty slim.

i seem to remember some banner hanging out in front a few weeks ago that indicated that it was re-opening with new management or something. and, i seem to recall that the color of the building had changed, and that it was more attractive than before. i just seem to recall that the building looked much more inviting when i saw it a few weeks ago compared to before. from the street, it actually looks like it could be a decent place to stay. the cost of rooms at that time was 503 pesos for a double, and 462 pesos for a single. they also had a continental breakfast in the morning.

you can actually still google it by that name, hotel le-gar, and it comes up, $33.00us per night...not bad. and, on the website, it says it was last updated march 25, 2010. so, that's consistent with their having banners outside announcing some changes, and also with my seeming to recall a change to the outside appearance of the building.

and, it just seems to me that if one is discrete, you could probably sneak a girl in there. but, i have never tried it. it's just that it meets the criteria i mentioned in a prior post, and it's location is superb. i have walked those same streets between the bars where that hotel is located, between carlos salazar and villagran, where the gauntlet of bars and mps are, to el cielo and beibis, which are very close to the hotel, and i've done so quite often until 3am in the past.

now, the other interesting thing about this area is that there are several other, relatively cheap hotels that are in this same area, all within walking distance. they all fit my criteria, mexican owned, mexican patrons, obscure, etc...and some of them border on being, or definitely are, "no tell" hotels. so, this particular area offers some options that warrant checking out with respect to decent alternative accommodations. i just haven't had that need so i haven't gone so far as to book rooms in this area.

however, the interesting thing here is that even if you were denied access with your girl to hotel le-gar, there are enough "no tell," 100 peso per hour hotels situated in very close proximity to hotel le-gar that you could go to one of them if need be, and be relatively on schedule with respect to time wasted trying to unsuccessfully get them in to hotel le-gar were it to go badly that way. or, in many instances, a lot of guys don't really want to bring the girl back to their own room. this hotel is located so close to all the action, and to the alternative "no tell" hotel rooms, that it would be very convenient for shifting to a plan b if need be.

down in this same area, i have never had an issue, or noticed anything that made me concerned for my safety walking those streets. but, things are changing, and down in that area, you might want to take taxis late at night if possible. i wouldn't say that i would never walk around down there at night, because i do. but, it just a precaution, a word to the wiser of us that you might not want to walk around down there after dark these days. besides, down in that area, the taxis are abundant, making the location superb for catching a taxi.

cut and pasted from the hotel website:
rooms:
45 standard and 3 suites
(it would be interesting to see what the suites look like. according to the website, they have jacuzzis too. who knows, maybe they have some suites with jacuzzis in the rooms.
address: rayon no. 752 nte., centro, 64000 monterrey, nuevo leon
ph: +52 (81) 8374-4860
[url]www.hotelle-gar.com[/url]

location:in the center of monterrey, just 5 minutes from cintermex, macroplaza and paseo santa lucia.
rooms: newly remodeled, spacious, fully carpeted, cable tv, wireless internet, air conditioning and telephone.
services:free continental breakfast, free local calls, high speed internet, parking, meeting rooms, safe, restaurant, room service, laundry and dry.

so, some of you intending to come down might want to give this hotel a try, and give us a review of the hotel's accommodations, and whether you can sneak girls in, etc...

now, don't get angry with me if you end up staying there and you can't get your girl in there. it's hit and miss until you try these places out. every one of us has to go through this process. with them being a recently upgraded facility, they may be really proud of themselves for a while, and they may be reluctant to let too much go on until the newness wears off. but, definitely, no matter what legitimate hotel you stay at in monterrey, you're going to have to be discrete regardless. but, i also believe there may have been some side entrances to the place, etc...as i said, this place has been on my radar for a long time.

i may, in fact, check it out myself one of these days. at that price, the hotel would be a really good resource, provided the beds are comfortable and the rooms are clean. any other amenities are of little consequence to me. i don't watch television (but, my gf does...a lot!, so that's good they have cable), and their advertising says they have wireless internet, which is a must for my purposes.


[quote=monterreydude]i sent him a pm too.
recomended to him both extravagance and versace.

first cause they are more or less of the same class and no more than a block and half from each other in the downtown area.
for a better referece to usb that knows his way around monterrey, extravagance is 2 blocks down one of the streets that borders pasarelas mc,[/quote]

I wanted to thank Monterreydude and Unspongebob for their suggestions for my recent trip to Monterrey, and for Monterreydude for guiding me around the city. (Especially after a friend who was supposed to meet me failed to show.) It was definitely an education and experience--and a side of Monterrey that I had not seen before.

You're welcome Eisan...I hope you had a good time!

I am curious...Does business or vacation bring you to Monterrey? It sounds like you've visited Monterrey before. How often have you visited in the past? And, are you planning future visits?

I have noticed since the crash of the US economy that there seems to be significantly less activity on the ISG board with respect to Monterrey posts. I don't think it's because guys aren't wanting to participate, but more on account of a lesser number of guys coming to Monterrey on business. And, certainly, due to the poor economy, a less number of guys coming for vacation.

However, lately, it seems like visitors to Monterrey are picking up, and that inquiring posts are starting to occur with a slightly greater frequency than the last 18 months. That could be an indication that the economy is turning the corner.

[QUOTE=Eisan]I wanted to thank Monterreydude and Unspongebob for their suggestions for my recent trip to Monterrey, and for Monterreydude for guiding me around the city. (Especially after a friend who was supposed to meet me failed to show.) It was definitely an education and experience--and a side of Monterrey that I had not seen before.[/QUOTE]

You're welcomed too... next time well get more girls for you at Casino.


[QUOTE=Eisan]I wanted to thank Monterreydude and Unspongebob for their suggestions for my recent trip to Monterrey, and for Monterreydude for guiding me around the city. (Especially after a friend who was supposed to meet me failed to show.) It was definitely an education and experience--and a side of Monterrey that I had not seen before.[/QUOTE]

Hi Good News

I arrive Monterrey 3pm on the 28th May. Shall be staying 3 nights before heading to Monclova for 2 nights, then back to Moneterrey for 2 nights.

Is anyone around that wishes to meet up and go to the clubs or try to get a couple of girls back to the hotel with us for a bit of a swapping party.

Still not sure which hotel to book, have been advised the Sheraton, but like the look also of Holiday Inns, not Holiday Inn express.

Anyone want to meet up and go for a beer and to who knows where.

Carlos, if your still about please contact me, love to take you up on your offer of help.

Trainman

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I am curious...Does business or vacation bring you to Monterrey? It sounds like you've visited Monterrey before. How often have you visited in the past? And, are you planning future visits?[/QUOTE]I go to Monterrey for vacation. I have lived and traveled abroad and have really enjoyed those experiences; I live in Texas now and don't make so much money, so Monterrey is a good option for me. This last visit was my third or fourth, and as Monterreydude showed me there is still a lot to learn and see there! I will definitely go again--I think later this summer. I want to try Mexico City, too.

I should add that another reason people have curtailed travel there is safety. I work with people who have traveled to Monterrey in the past for business, but they telecommute now. Even when they did travel they were told to stay in the hotel when not working.

I cannot give you my email as you are not a subscriber of this forum.

[QUOTE=Trainman]I cannot give you my email as you are not a subscriber of this forum.[/QUOTE]Trainman, as someone who joined not too long ago, I would highly recommend you join to gain access to messages. With the help you get here it will pay immense dividends.

So if you wish to pm me please do, and we can chat about your visit, as I go to Monterrey next week.

I have tried to PM you BETMOTY but you are either not a member of this forum or have put down you do not wish to receive PM.

I have tried to send you my contact details as I come next week to Mexico.

Trainman

[QUOTE=Eisan]I go to Monterrey for vacation. I have lived and traveled abroad and have really enjoyed those experiences; I live in Texas now and don't make so much money, so Monterrey is a good option for me. This last visit was my third or fourth, and as Monterreydude showed me there is still a lot to learn and see there! I will definitely go again--I think later this summer. I want to try Mexico City, too.

I should add that another reason people have curtailed travel there is safety. I work with people who have traveled to Monterrey in the past for business, but they telecommute now. Even when they did travel they were told to stay in the hotel when not working.[/QUOTE]


Mexico City is a very good choice for paying sex only if you have money, many Americans expect to pay very low prices as Mexico it is not a first world country, however many get surprised to find that prices for quality women in Mexico City are not much different than those found back at home.

Usually quality escorts are South Americans and some Eastern Europeans (the same applies to strip clubs, however in high ends clubs Eastern European women are more numerous than South American women as opposite to the escort scene in which South Americans are usually the majority). However be ready to pay 3x or 4x more for those women that the usually cost back at their home countries (Argentina, Brazil, Ukraine or Russia), if you still want to go there for some paid sex then PM for more detailed advice.

Any suggestions for a semi-girlfriendly downtowinsh, 3+ star, hotel with working WiFi. (Sheraton Ambassador, and Four Points Galerias are GF but WiFi doesn't work)


[*] semi-girlfriendly = I register for 2, with my GF in her name, upon check in. She arrives after me, dressed ready for a night out on the town, and we meet in the lobby, leave, and then come back later together (no marriage certficate).


Also, what SC's let me bring girl in (Prestige, Obession I think are OK??) - and which will not?
What trendy night time hot spots are there where I can bring my girl to party until the sun rises?
Barrio Antiguo, Arco de Iris, .... ???

Prestige and Obsession will allow girls as customers, but they will overcharge you.
100 peso cover charge and the girls drinks will cost 120 pesos.

Hotel with a working WiFi.... the Hampton Inn Galerias???

After that you'd need to go to the Colonia del Valle district hotels, but we are talking Camino Real, Quinta Real, Intercontinental... no no's for GFs.




[QUOTE=Blourghus]Any suggestions for a semi-girlfriendly downtowinsh, 3+ star, hotel with working WiFi. (Sheraton Ambassador, and Four Points Galerias are GF but WiFi doesn't work)


[*] semi-girlfriendly = I register for 2, with my GF in her name, upon check in. She arrives after me, dressed ready for a night out on the town, and we meet in the lobby, leave, and then come back later together (no marriage certficate).


Also, what SC's let me bring girl in (Prestige, Obession I think are OK??) - and which will not?
What trendy night time hot spots are there where I can bring my girl to party until the sun rises?
Barrio Antiguo, Arco de Iris, .... ???[/QUOTE]

Actually this is two reports, but the first one is kind of short, beacause I don't actually know where the masaje place is. Suffice it say you can get mechanical FS from a girl of about 4-6/10 at a dive massage place downtown and get change back from 150 pesos. Not my best moment, but as my friend said "Hey, you can count this as free! "

Tonight, decided to upgrade a bit and went on the search. Found a couple places using the "map" but no luck until we finally went to Marcella. Based on the number of cars outside, I am guessing it was busy but I didn't see any punters (guessing they were already busy!). Had a choice of 3 girls, and chose Marissa, about 35-38, 7-8 for appearance and grande tetons! Damage was 600 for FS, 3 positions, 40 minutes. Since I like oral, and I like it uncapped, that's what I got instead of the 3 positions, with a finish between those marvelous melons. 200 tip and everybody was happy! Bonus was good english skills, so we could actually communicate!

Allende 220 Pte.

Did you try Extravagance... Versace???
Same quality as Marsella.



[QUOTE=Beer Monger]Actually this is two reports, but the first one is kind of short, beacause I don't actually know where the masaje place is. Suffice it say you can get mechanical FS from a girl of about 4-6/10 at a dive massage place downtown and get change back from 150 pesos. Not my best moment, but as my friend said "Hey, you can count this as free! "

Tonight, decided to upgrade a bit and went on the search. Found a couple places using the "map" but no luck until we finally went to Marcella. Based on the number of cars outside, I am guessing it was busy but I didn't see any punters (guessing they were already busy!). Had a choice of 3 girls, and chose Marissa, about 35-38, 7-8 for appearance and grande tetons! Damage was 600 for FS, 3 positions, 40 minutes. Since I like oral, and I like it uncapped, that's what I got instead of the 3 positions, with a finish between those marvelous melons. 200 tip and everybody was happy! Bonus was good english skills, so we could actually communicate!

Allende 220 Pte.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone here being with one of the girls from porristasdeestadio.com or with Elisa or Sonny from modelosmonterrey.com?

Any review?

I'm interested thanks, I was a Misses regular, but the quality of their girls is really going down.

Fiesta Inn Centro, WiFi works very good, never had problems there.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]Any suggestions for a semi-girlfriendly downtowinsh, 3+ star, hotel with working WiFi. (Sheraton Ambassador, and Four Points Galerias are GF but WiFi doesn't work)
[*] semi-girlfriendly = I register for 2, with my GF in her name, upon check in. She arrives after me, dressed ready for a night out on the town, and we meet in the lobby, leave, and then come back later together (no marriage certficate).

Also, what SC's let me bring girl in (Prestige, Obession I think are OK??) - and which will not?

What trendy night time hot spots are there where I can bring my girl to party until the sun rises?

Barrio Antiguo, Arco de Iris, .... ???[/QUOTE]

WiFi in the rooms???




[QUOTE=Agus]Fiesta Inn Centro, WiFi works very good, never had problems there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Prestige and Obsession will allow girls as customers, but they will overcharge you.
100 peso cover charge and the girls drinks will cost 120 pesos.

Hotel with a working WiFi.... the Hampton Inn Galerias???

After that you'd need to go to the Colonia del Valle district hotels, but we are talking Camino Real, Quinta Real, Intercontinental... no no's for GFs.[/QUOTE]




Just as a follow-up to this Hampton Inn Galerias does indeed have WiFi but in the lobby and not in the rooms. That's OK, I don't need to spend my whole time there holed in my hotel room, but like to be able to sneak out to check up on the news, and everybody complimented me on my iPad. Also they don't have in-room safes. Otherwise it was ok. Didn't spend much time there.

MonterreyDude what was the name of the new one with braces at Prestige?
I will be back for her ASAP, within 15 days.

As easy as Diana's her name.


[QUOTE=Blourghus]Just as a follow-up to this Hampton Inn Galerias does indeed have WiFi but in the lobby and not in the rooms. That's OK, I don't need to spend my whole time there holed in my hotel room, but like to be able to sneak out to check up on the news, and everybody complimented me on my iPad. Also they don't have in-room safes. Otherwise it was ok. Didn't spend much time there.

MonterreyDude what was the name of the new one with braces at Prestige?
I will be back for her ASAP, within 15 days.[/QUOTE]

Correct, several times I have given support to my company working from my room. Connection never dropped.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]WiFi in the rooms???[/QUOTE]

Excelent.
Will recomend it now.
Fiesta Inn has opened a big hotel in the Tecnologico area and they also boast full internet coverage.

Another question: free or charged to the room???



[QUOTE=Agus]Correct, several times I have given support to my company working from my room. Connection never dropped.[/QUOTE]

It's free, no charge at all.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Excelent.

Will recomend it now.

Fiesta Inn has opened a big hotel in the Tecnologico area and they also boast full internet coverage.

Another question: free or charged to the room???[/QUOTE]

Excelent!!!
Thank you very much


[QUOTE=Agus]It's free, no charge at all.[/QUOTE]

I've checked out several MP's in the last few weeks and my general experience was not too bad. Most of them are around 120 to 200 per 15 to 30min, 1 to 3 positions, nude or semi-nude, most include oral, some girls let you choose the position, some do not. So you can get something for 120 for sure and when you check around a little you even find some good looking girls. Later on weekends seems to be the best time, the MP's are full, while also some weekdays around midnight is a good choice. I've been around the central bus station where the most MP's and clubs, etc. Are. I went to another part of town, a few blocks east on Tapia but there the prices start at around 200, while it's easier to find a good looking girl there. I've talked to some girls in front of Bordels but I never tried it, they seem to offer the same for more money. Also I've been dragged into a club by some amazing looking girl, she was just, wow! But I've left right away as I didn't get the chance to even ask for more, they pulled a table in front of me and I saw I was supposed to spend some money first before I would get something, eventually. Anyways.

After a while I got annoyed by all this little restrictions and everything I would like to do with the girl in the MP's costs extra or she just doesn't do it at all. I've tried to find a girl who does do anal and I could maybe finger a little and stuff like this but I had no luck. Does anyone here have any idea if there are any MP's or other places where I could find a girl, not too expensive, that lets me do more. Like I pay for an hour and can have lots of fun without having her to tell me if I want to touch her naked tits I need to pay extra and stuff like this. Any idea? I don't like the escort stuff since it is too expensive. So, somewhere where I can go to and talk to the girl and she tells me how much and what I can do. Would be great if someone knows.

You'd need to go to the more expensive MP's like the moderate priced Extravaganza or the fairly above average priced Versace and Regias to get what you are looking for.
This 3 MP's offer 1 hour services, all 3 are on the 800-1000 (1200) pesos average.
You need to ask openly while picking a girl in the lineup if they do "servicio extremo", for them the term means "anal".

Anyway, at the cheaper MP's that charge 120-150, 200 pesos you only need to tell them that you want 60 minutes, "servicio extremo", and they will acomodate, charging you acording to the time they serve.
Average is 20 minutes at these places, so 60 minutes will be around 550-600 pesos for an hour, plus extras, cause "servicio extremo" will cost you extra
But again, you have to tell them what you are looking for while picking the girl.
I know it's a little awkward, but it's the only wayt to get your money's worth.



[QUOTE=Faith Oneil]I've checked out several MP's in the last few weeks and my general experience was not too bad. Most of them are around 120 to 200 per 15 to 30min, 1 to 3 positions, nude or semi-nude, most include oral, some girls let you choose the position, some do not. So you can get something for 120 for sure and when you check around a little you even find some good looking girls. Later on weekends seems to be the best time, the MP's are full, while also some weekdays around midnight is a good choice. I've been around the central bus station where the most MP's and clubs, etc. Are. I went to another part of town, a few blocks east on Tapia but there the prices start at around 200, while it's easier to find a good looking girl there. I've talked to some girls in front of Bordels but I never tried it, they seem to offer the same for more money. Also I've been dragged into a club by some amazing looking girl, she was just, wow! But I've left right away as I didn't get the chance to even ask for more, they pulled a table in front of me and I saw I was supposed to spend some money first before I would get something, eventually. Anyways.

After a while I got annoyed by all this little restrictions and everything I would like to do with the girl in the MP's costs extra or she just doesn't do it at all. I've tried to find a girl who does do anal and I could maybe finger a little and stuff like this but I had no luck. Does anyone here have any idea if there are any MP's or other places where I could find a girl, not too expensive, that lets me do more. Like I pay for an hour and can have lots of fun without having her to tell me if I want to touch her naked tits I need to pay extra and stuff like this. Any idea? I don't like the escort stuff since it is too expensive. So, somewhere where I can go to and talk to the girl and she tells me how much and what I can do. Would be great if someone knows.[/QUOTE]

I would suggest that if you are going to attempt to obtain servicio extremo from the medium to lower level massage parlors, that you also stipulate that payment for said extras will be paid at the end of the session, once you're completely satisfied. Show them the money, so they will know you have it, and tell them you will not pay until after you're satisfied that they've delivered as promised. If they challenge your desire to pay COD for extras, then tell them you will go to the next place on the block.

Believe me, they will promise you the moon in some of the lower level and medium level massage parlors, and they will routinely attempt to bait and switch with respect to what is ultimately delivered unless you tie payment directly to performance. Agree to pay up front for servicio normal, but specifically explain your other expectations in advance, even for services that we would all expect to be included in servicio normal, such as removal of tops for example. Agree to only pay for extras after they've been delivered to your expectations. Show them the money, so they know you're for real, and stick to your guns.

If you are not fluent in Spanish, expect them to try taking advantage even more, using whatever bait and switch tactics they can to up-charge from their initial promises to you that they will indeed do servicio extremo, much less their delivering upon things that would normally be expected, like removal of tops, etc...

You would not typically have the same kind of bait and switch treatment from the high end massage parlors, but you will pay 6 to 10 times more for the privilege of having your expectations met with respect to what was promised.

To have any other expectation is only setting yourself up for a fleecing, and ultimate disappointment in the end. By your attempting to get these kinds of expectations met on the cheap in a mongering destination like Mexico, you you are playing the accomplice in your own potential disappointment. So, with all due respect, I encourage you to plan your strategy, stick to it, plan for the worst, and hope for the best. Because, to try to get a legitimate business ethic out Mexico's lower level massage parlor girls, you definitely have your work cut out for you.

[QUOTE=Faith Oneil]I've checked out several MP's in the last few weeks and my general experience was not too bad. Most of them are around 120 to 200 per 15 to 30min, 1 to 3 positions, nude or semi-nude, most include oral, some girls let you choose the position, some do not. So you can get something for 120 for sure and when you check around a little you even find some good looking girls. Later on weekends seems to be the best time, the MP's are full, while also some weekdays around midnight is a good choice. I've been around the central bus station where the most MP's and clubs, etc. Are. I went to another part of town, a few blocks east on Tapia but there the prices start at around 200, while it's easier to find a good looking girl there. I've talked to some girls in front of Bordels but I never tried it, they seem to offer the same for more money. Also I've been dragged into a club by some amazing looking girl, she was just, wow! But I've left right away as I didn't get the chance to even ask for more, they pulled a table in front of me and I saw I was supposed to spend some money first before I would get something, eventually. Anyways.

After a while I got annoyed by all this little restrictions and everything I would like to do with the girl in the MP's costs extra or she just doesn't do it at all. I've tried to find a girl who does do anal and I could maybe finger a little and stuff like this but I had no luck. Does anyone here have any idea if there are any MP's or other places where I could find a girl, not too expensive, that lets me do more. Like I pay for an hour and can have lots of fun without having her to tell me if I want to touch her naked tits I need to pay extra and stuff like this. Any idea? I don't like the escort stuff since it is too expensive. So, somewhere where I can go to and talk to the girl and she tells me how much and what I can do. Would be great if someone knows.[/QUOTE]

I was at infinto last night an found one of my girls...great time together...she didn't even ask for the $1,000 payment after the bar fine, but I payed her anyways. She stated that Infinito had been slow the past three weeks. Also very important! There has been a shoot-out in Infinito. One of the Dancers was shot, and also client. Be very careful when going to the downtown area where these bars are located. Another thing is Monterrey night life is dying; the Barrio Antiguo is dead compared to other times I've been there; I'd say about 70% decline. The reason for this is that the Cartel Del Golfo is on the offensive in coordination with the Mexican Police and Army against the Zetas. Amigiomio please do not try and down-play the real danger Monterrey is currently experiencing. The threat of being robbed, beaten or killed is real. Stay safe and use common sense when going to Monterrey and if you see anyone pull a gun out run!

I will just openly say: total BS.

Sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. I don't care what your GF told you, but that is a LIE.

If there is a shoot out at a club, the Army or Federal Police will shut it down TOTALLY, not just for a couple of day TOTALLY, like they did at Givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

Come ON Marius, I still go to Infinito 3 - 4 times a week and this is the first time I hear this!!!!!!
If it had been true, you would have NEVER been at Infinito, NEVER taken your GF out cause it would have been shut totally down.

Coming back to Givenchy... you know what happened to Infinito when they shut Givenchy down???
And that was next door, not within Infinito
It almost killed Inifinito. It took them weeks to get back in shape, and Marius I was witness to that. I saw poor Infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

Don't you think I would have noticed it????
My GFs wouldn't have told me about it???
Marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one GF????

I will openly say again: your GF is pulling your leg.
Seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

She's exagerating to get your attention.

By the way Marius, a couple of things.

1. Businesses are slow right now, because of the World Cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. Everyone's spent by the time night comes. No money to spend on SCs

2. I was there too on Saturday. I didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. Only the SCs that open early and cater lunch to customers like Prestige and Obsession are getting all the business.

4. And then again, only the House is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the House).

5. Soccer... get it? No you don't. I don't think you understand it.






[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was at infinto last night an found one of my girls...great time together...she didn't even ask for the $1,000 payment after the bar fine, but I payed her anyways. She stated that Infinito had been slow the past three weeks. Also very important! There has been a shoot-out in Infinito. One of the Dancers was shot, and also client. Be very careful when going to the downtown area where these bars are located. Another thing is Monterrey night life is dying; the Barrio Antiguo is dead compared to other times I've been there; I'd say about 70% decline. The reason for this is that the Cartel Del Golfo is on the offensive in coordination with the Mexican Police and Army against the Zetas. Amigiomio please do not try and down-play the real danger Monterrey is currently experiencing. The threat of being robbed, beaten or killed is real. Stay safe and use common sense when going to Monterrey and if you see anyone pull a gun out run![/QUOTE]

Monterreydude,

You're being a bit harsh on Marius, don't you think? Given the powder keg tension in the air in Monterrey, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe a chica when she tells such a story. Maybe it's complete BS, but its not unreasonable to think that it may be true and it's certainly not unreasonable to share this info with the other hobbyists on this board. If the cartel can kick down doors at the Holiday Inn and snatch people from their rooms with the police powerless to do anything, then a shooting at a bar is not beyond belief.

You may deny it in an effort to keep funneling people into Infinito (which is, IMO, not a place you want to find yourself in if you're new to the city, short on Spanish and looking to stay away from problems), but Monterrey is an explosion waiting to happen right now. The people are tense, the police are on edge and the killers do what they want, when they want with absolutely no fear.

I'm an American working in Monterrey and I've been living here for 6 years (and traveling here for 3 years before that) and I'm doing my best to get the hell out. With any luck, I'll wrap up my business by September and be off to another, safer part of Mexico where decapitations aren't a way of life.

I'm a long-time lurker on this forum and I do plan on adding some info and reports, but I think that anyone planning on coming down should take a good, long look and consider whether the fun outweighs the risks.

Anybody that tells you that Monterrey is not dangerous right now is lying to you. As a matter of fact, Monterrey (and the outlying area) just may be the most dangerous city in North America at this point.

Just because nothing has happened to you and you FEEL safe, that doesn't mean that you are. Dozens of Americans have been kidnapped in Monterrey over the last 3 years. Most of them probably felt safe, too.

My Point: Monterreydude, crime is out there and it's not unreasonable to sound the red alarm if you hear a report from someone working on the scene. Could we expect you to honestly tell us anything other than, "All is OK, come to Infinito" even if there were a real and present danger? It's simply not true that you'll be safe if you just stay away from the drug trade and mind your own business. The cartels are reaching out and bothering everyone or, at the very least, being completely oblivious to pedestrians who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Cruising the strip clubs at this time is, IMO, just thumbing your nose at the law of averages and flirting with real danger whether you care to admit it or not.

And what the hell does the World Cup have to do with the table dance clubs? LOL. I almost buy that for when Mexico is playing, but Slovenia-Algeria is keeping nobody away from the clubs.

I'm not wanting to start a fight, but I'm tired of watching you downplay the real threat here when I also live here and know the story.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]I will just openly say: total BS.

Sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. I don't care what your GF told you, but that is a LIE.

If there is a shoot out at a club, the Army or Federal Police will shut it down TOTALLY, not just for a couple of day TOTALLY, like they did at Givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

Come ON Marius, I still go to Infinito 3. 4 times a week and this is the first time I hear this!

If it had been true, you would have NEVER been at Infinito, NEVER taken your GF out cause it would have been shut totally down.

Coming back to Givenchy. You know what happened to Infinito when they shut Givenchy down?

And that was next door, not within Infinito

It almost killed Inifinito. It took them weeks to get back in shape, and Marius I was witness to that. I saw poor Infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

Don't you think I would have noticed it?

My GFs wouldn't have told me about it?

Marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one GF?

I will openly say again: your GF is pulling your leg.

Seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

She's exagerating to get your attention.

By the way Marius, a couple of things.

1. Businesses are slow right now, because of the World Cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. Everyone's spent by the time night comes. No money to spend on SCs

2. I was there too on Saturday. I didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. Only the SCs that open early and cater lunch to customers like Prestige and Obsession are getting all the business.

4. And then again, only the House is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the House).

5. Soccer... get it? No you don't. I don't think you understand it.[/QUOTE]

monterreydude is completely correct. they would shut the place down, and there would likely be even a greater ripple effect to the other bars along villagran. the murders at givenchy were catestrophic for the bars there. so, were it true, there would be no el infinito. i had heard that the situation at givenchy was due to some rogue want-to-be's who themselves were targeted by the cartels for having brought them so much undue and unwanted negative publicity upon them.

you know, i have been hearing speculation from girls that such a thing is potentially "likely to occur" for probably over a year. and, a number of girls have even been so specific to have expressed concern that they might get caught in the crossfire.

they all feed off of each other with respect to their fears, and i believe they're hyping it up among themselves. plus, unless one's spanish is advanced enough to discern the slight differences in their pronunciation of the spanish, one could misinterpret the expression of their fears as fact.

perhaps she believes it could occur, versus it actually occurring. i've known several girls that have told me the same thing, but they expressed it as a fear, and not as an actual fact.

and, with respect to business being slow, it has been quite slow lately, with some girls choosing not to work. perhaps some girls are stirring the pot, planting the seeds of fear with their peers so they will stay home, thereby hoping to narrow the field of competition between them.

but, i do wonder if any of those people turned-up from the holiday inn incident? did the news media ever have a follow-up report on their disposition? that incident was definitely worrisome when i first heard about it, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to be anything that's connected to the bars we frequent.



[quote=monterreydude]i will just openly say: total bs.

sorry to tell you but what you are posting is not true. i don't care what your gf told you, but that is a lie.

if there is a shoot out at a club, the army or federal police will shut it down totally, not just for a couple of day totally, like they did at givenchy and then again it took them over a year to open it up again.

come on marius, i still go to infinito 3 - 4 times a week and this is the first time i hear this!!!!!!
if it had been true, you would have never been at infinito, never taken your gf out cause it would have been shut totally down.

coming back to givenchy... you know what happened to infinito when they shut givenchy down???
and that was next door, not within infinito
it almost killed inifinito. it took them weeks to get back in shape, and marius i was witness to that. i saw poor infinito trying to survive with 10 girls, one stage and 5 customers.

don't you think i would have noticed it????
my gfs wouldn't have told me about it???
marius, do you have the monoply of truth with just one gf????

i will openly say again: your gf is pulling your leg.
seems you still just don't understand the way the strip club girls think.

she's exagerating to get your attention.

by the way marius, a couple of things.

1. businesses are slow right now, because of the world cup games are happening during morning and midday hours. everyone's spent by the time night comes. no money to spend on scs

2. i was there too on saturday. i didn't notice business that slow, but the girls were complaining about the soccer games, taking business away from them.

3. only the scs that open early and cater lunch to customers like prestige and obsession are getting all the business.

4. and then again, only the house is getting all the money via food and booze... the girls, who cares (from the point of view of the house).

5. soccer... get it? no you don't. i don't think you understand it.[/quote]

You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.

Reporting the hype, without substantiating that the incident actually occurred, only serves to escalate the hysteria, which only serves to exaggerate the dangers.

I agree that staying safe is good advice, but exaggerating the danger only serves to falsely label El Infinito as dangerous.

I have NEVER found it to be dangerous, not in over ten years of going there on a regular basis. I realize that things change, but lets not cast El Infinito as being a very dangerous place to go without having some substantiating facts on which to do so.

If the incident actually occurred, then there should be newspaper stories about it. Can anyone advise the date of the published newspaper stories about this incident actually occurring? And, if not, that means El Infinito is no more dangerous a place to go than El Oxxo with respect to violent acts.


[QUOTE=Marius 67]You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.[/QUOTE]

Denial?
You are the one that's on "denial".
Iam saying here as a fact that if there had been an instance of a shooting within the Infinito, the SC would have been CLOSED.
And I mean shut down and sealed up.
Cerrado, Infinito finito.
Not open as you stated, open on Saturday.
If it had been true, a girl and a customer shot... nobody would have been there, not even yours truely, nor yourself... cause the SC would have been closed by the Federal Police.

What part don't you get Marius???
Please point it out: The shooting incident? the closing deal thing????


Let's see what you are saying: Three weeks ago.
Ok 3 weeks ago there was a BRAWL at Infinito, and me and Doubt 98 were about to walk in when it happened.
Just a plain old brawl that happens all the time there.

"Why would the girls lie"
Nonononono.... you didn't say "girls", you said your GF told you about it after waiving here freebe and paying her.

"they are risking losing business by saying this"... they wouldn't be risking losing business... IT WOULD BE CLOSED!!!! as simple as that.




[QUOTE=Marius 67]You guys are in denial about the whole shooting incident. It happend about three weeks ago at Infinito. Why would the girls lie about it, they are risking losing business by saying this. It seemed that everyone was on edge this past weekend in Monterrey. Also have you guys ever noticed the locals sporting Zeta Tatoos on their nicks and arms at the bars in El Centro; I'am not saying not to go, but use extreme caution. Stay safe! Thats all I'am saying. I would rather know what's going on than and be aware, instead of blindly venturing out and being clueless.[/QUOTE]

Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Denial?
You are the one that's on "denial".
Iam saying here as a fact that if there had been an instance of a shooting within the Infinito, the SC would have been CLOSED.
And I mean shut down and sealed up.
Cerrado, Infinito finito.
Not open as you stated, open on Saturday.
If it had been true, a girl and a customer shot... nobody would have been there, not even yours truely, nor yourself... cause the SC would have been closed by the Federal Police.

What part don't you get Marius???
Please point it out: The shooting incident? the closing deal thing????


Let's see what you are saying: Three weeks ago.
Ok 3 weeks ago there was a BRAWL at Infinito, and me and Doubt 98 were about to walk in when it happened.
Just a plain old brawl that happens all the time there.

"Why would the girls lie"
Nonononono.... you didn't say "girls", you said your GF told you about it after waiving here freebe and paying her.

"they are risking losing business by saying this"... they wouldn't be risking losing business... IT WOULD BE CLOSED!!!! as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

I don't care whether anybody goes to Monterrey or not, or whether anybody goes to El Infinito or not.

I have NO Vested interest in anybody coming to Monterrey, NO vested interest in El Infinito, or whether some want to frequent the high end massage parlors, or whether some want to go to the escort services. I could not care less.

The truth be known, I wish the most visitors would all stay the hell away. Frankly, the competition from the Gringo Class just serves to drive prices up, and the more Gringos are here, the less leverage I have. So, before you imply that we are trying to drum up business for El Infinito for some self serving purpose, realize that we are already here, already well entrenched, and we really don't need El Infinito, or any of the other bars, to be completely satiated 24 hours a day. And, realize too, they do not even pay taxi drivers to bring Gringo suckers to them, so they're certainly not going to pay us to defend them here.

I ask myself, why is there so much interest all of a sudden in the "dangers" at El Infinito, and from some obviously newly created screen names, those having so few posts on the ISG, they posting here with an intent to promote an atmosphere of fear surrounding El Infinito, especially when it did not happen?

And, why are some falsely representing that the costs are the same for high end massage parlor girls and escorts when their cost is at least 5 to 10 times as expensive for time spent??? The quality and performance is certainly NO BETTER, and with respect to a cost versus time spent analysis, they are certainly no bargain in comparison!

Oh, what the hell, I'll go ahead and say it since we are being accused of having some kind of hidden self interested reason for discrediting a story that is simply false, one that can not be substantiated by any secondary source, but is being represented as true.

Could it be that some may have a vested interest in promoting the escort business and the high end massage business for their own self interest? Discrediting the bars, calling them dangerous, but advocating travel to Monterrey, in light of all the "State Department Warnings,"...

Well, that seems kind of counter intuitive that dangers exist according to State Department warnings, but still..."comon down" for the escort services and the high end massage parlors.

And, with respect to the reader taking the word of "two anonymous people on a message board...," authoritatively delivered comments, coming from those with so few postings on the ISG, from newly created screen names??? Well, it does not inspire confidence and credibility in my book.

It's quite obvious that the newly screen names, with so few postings, are conveniently appearing here to support a hysterical rant about an incident that did NOT HAPPEN, a rant that is quite obviously designed to bring discredit upon the bars, but promote the high end massage parlors and escort businesses.

Marius' warnings are prudent, and I don't disagree with them. But, this other stuff is over the top...

The reader can make up their own minds about who does and does not have credibility with respect to what is really going on in Monterrey, who lives here and who doesn't, etc...But, I agree that "If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping each other safe."

But, ISG is even more importantly about posting the truth, and not about posting unsubstantiated bar girl gossip, representing it as true, especially if it's with the intention of promoting hysteria in one particular venue, and/or especially when the accusations are simply not true, and/or especially if it is intended for other self interested motives.

If someone wants to post what their "girlfriend" told them, that's fine, but once the "story" has been discredited, why persist with such vigor in an effort to make a lie or a false statement appear to be the truth?


[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.[/QUOTE]

Unspongebob, please read my first post in this thread where I said that I don't recommend coming down to Monterrey at this moment and that I'm personally working to get transferred somewhere else. I will gladly accept your apology for jumping to conclusions.

But let's keep this civil; credibility as to the relative dangers of Monterrey can easily be attained by checking Google News. As I said, if you STILL want to come down to Monterrey, then I stand by what I said, but I understand that personal tastes will differ.

Going to a high-end massage parlor (and I'll not name names since I may get accused of being the owner. LOL) will cost you around 2K for the hour and the girl will be smoking hot. Go to a strip club and you could easily blow that 2k before you really find a girl of your choosing. And if you DO find the right girl, by the time you haggle with the bar fine and salida price, pay for drinks, privados, etc., the price will greatly exceed the 2k. And, anyway, for my tastes bar girls are too run-down and tired looking, but each his own.

Personally, I prefer walking into a clean MP, paying my money and getting my action without any hassle and, certainly, that would be preferable if I were only in town for a couple of days.

Like I said, tastes may differ, but I want my action without all the hassle and nastiness of having to step in other guys' jizz as I get a privado. Maybe that's your thing. Good for you.

And, really, how are we to know whether a story is unsubstantiated or not? Are we to take Monterreydude's word for it? Or are we to listen to him because you, another anonymous person on a message board, vouch for him? I don't know you or him from Adam.

Personally, I want to hear all stories that may concern my safety and then I'll decide what to believe.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I don't care whether anybody goes to Monterrey or not, or whether anybody goes to El Infinito or not.

I have NO Vested interest in anybody coming to Monterrey, NO vested interest in El Infinito, or whether some want to frequent the high end massage parlors, or whether some want to go to the escort services. I could not care less.

The truth be known, I wish the most visitors would all stay the hell away. Frankly, the competition from the Gringo Class just serves to drive prices up, and the more Gringos are here, the less leverage I have. So, before you imply that we are trying to drum up business for El Infinito for some self serving purpose, realize that we are already here, already well entrenched, and we really don't need El Infinito, or any of the other bars, to be completely satiated 24 hours a day. And, realize too, they do not even pay taxi drivers to bring Gringo suckers to them, so they're certainly not going to pay us to defend them here.

I ask myself, why is there so much interest all of a sudden in the "dangers" at El Infinito, and from some obviously newly created screen names, those having so few posts on the ISG, they posting here with an intent to promote an atmosphere of fear surrounding El Infinito, especially when it did not happen?

And, why are some falsely representing that the costs are the same for high end massage parlor girls and escorts when their cost is at least 5 to 10 times as expensive for time spent? The quality and performance is certainly NO BETTER, and with respect to a cost versus time spent analysis, they are certainly no bargain in comparison!

Oh, what the hell, I'll go ahead and say it since we are being accused of having some kind of hidden self interested reason for discrediting a story that is simply false, one that can not be substantiated by any secondary source, but is being represented as true.

Could it be that some may have a vested interest in promoting the escort business and the high end massage business for their own self interest? Discrediting the bars, calling them dangerous, but advocating travel to Monterrey, in light of all the "State Department Warnings, ".

Well, that seems kind of counter intuitive that dangers exist according to State Department warnings, but still. "comon down" for the escort services and the high end massage parlors.

And, with respect to the reader taking the word of "two anonymous people on a message board., " authoritatively delivered comments, coming from those with so few postings on the ISG, from newly created screen names? Well, it does not inspire confidence and credibility in my book.

It's quite obvious that the newly screen names, with so few postings, are conveniently appearing here to support a hysterical rant about an incident that did NOT HAPPEN, a rant that is quite obviously designed to bring discredit upon the bars, but promote the high end massage parlors and escort businesses.

Marius' warnings are prudent, and I don't disagree with them. But, this other stuff is over the top.

The reader can make up their own minds about who does and does not have credibility with respect to what is really going on in Monterrey, who lives here and who doesn't, etc. But, I agree that "If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping each other safe. "

But, ISG is even more importantly about posting the truth, and not about posting unsubstantiated bar girl gossip, representing it as true, especially if it's with the intention of promoting hysteria in one particular venue, and/or especially when the accusations are simply not true, and/or especially if it is intended for other self interested motives.

If someone wants to post what their "girlfriend" told them, that's fine, but once the "story" has been discredited, why persist with such vigor in an effort to make a lie or a false statement appear to be the truth?[/QUOTE]

I thought I might add my two cents, that it is wrong to characterize Monterreydude and Unospongebob as just "two anonymous people on a message board. " They both provide useful, accurate information on a regular basis. Monterreydude, in particular, is quite level-headed and well-versed in what is happening in Monterrey and places like Infinito, and he has proven to be more than willing to generously share his knowledge and time.

Harsh against Marius???
Anonymous????
Dozens of Americans kidnapped in Monterrey????

Hell, you really don't know at all what you are posting.

You don't like Mexico señor???... may I suggest relocating to National Socialist Arizona.

By the way Chester, I go to Reforma street to buy my bootleg movies... and I don't fear for my life for one second.
Why? Cause I know my city, I know where to go and where not to go.
Where to mess and where not to mess.

By the way, why are YOU posting here???
This forum is for mongers, not for antimongers.
I don't think you know one single escort from a service or one single club girl from a SC.

Chester, you don't know one iota of soccer. You should go to Prestige SC at 1:30 pm (5 star club, more to your social level) for lunch and see if it's devoid of soccer fans.

And Iam not harsh against Marius, Iam just saying that he is just passing along his BS.

This is my serious BS: If there has been a shooting at Infinito, why is it that NO ONE has posted the newpaper article???? Or the pictures???
Look at the pictures section, I just posted the pics from the Oct-16-2008 killings at Givenchy taken from elnorte.com. And I totally swear that event did happen on that said date. No BS from me.
I play it FAIR AND SQUARE.
This is my posting on that event on or around those dates:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=803291&postcount=1592[/url]

I never EVER hide things from the mongers.
And SHAME on anyone that says I do.





[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Ok. All is Safe in Monterrey. Bring Cash. Go to Infinito. We get it.

My advice for all of those who plan on spending a considerable amount of time in Monterrey is to quickly establish contacts with some girls and do your business on the side with them.

If you're in town for a short time and don't plan on being a frequent visitor, avoid the strip clubs (especially the low-end local clubs infested with low and mid-level drug smugglers like Infinito). Go to the escorts or the high-end massage girls. The cost will be the same, the service probably better and you won't have to rub elbows with scumbag drug dealers and cartel enforcers.

As someone who actually lives in Monterrey and has no vested interest in sending you to Infinito, please listen to me and be careful. Being careful, of course, means that you shouldn't put yourself into dangerous situations. And entering a dark, poorly-policed cartel hang-out is NOT the definition of being careful.

You'll find the same advice from the State Dept. and I would trust in them more than in the word of two anonymous people on a message board.

To the rest of the hobbyists in Monterrey: Please don't let the badgering stop you. If you hear anything that could mean danger to us, post it here and let us know. The ISG is about sharing info and, more importantly, keeping eachother safe.[/QUOTE]

Monterydude is correct, I was there and saw it all. It was a brawl and nothing more. As we walked up the the patrons of the bar came flooding out due to someone spraying pepper spray. They aired out the building and within a couple of hours it was back to normal.

I have spent quite a bit of time in the strip clubs there in Monterrey. I am also fairly observant of my surroundings. If those are the "muscle" for the Zeta's hanging around those clubs then I'm really not that worried. The look like college kids, or just young working guys blowing off steam. Don't get me wrong, I went into Matahuela the last time I was in there and left due to one gentleman who I didn't like the way he looked. I'm not saying they are not there but they would stand out if they were. I mean, if I had kidnapped hundreds of Americans I might have a hard or colder attitude than those kids I see on the front row at El Infinito.

National Socialist Arizona? Really? In the famous words of Rodney King (after he got the settlement with the LA police) "Can't we all just get along?"

With respect to your assessment of El Infinito, I agree with you that it's a SHIT HOLE in the privados. I never said I liked it, or that I even go there at this juncture. The truth is, I do go there, but usually for only about ten minutes at a time, usually just to interview the girls. I move very quickly through the lower level bars, and I don't typically stay because I am impatient, and I can assess the opportunities rapidly. Like you, I don't particularly like the atmosphere. But, I go there because there are some fantastic girls, girls that are every bit as good as any high end massage parlor girl, or escort, and for less money.

I have found a ton of very good girls in El Infinito, and it is probably one of the best resources in the city. With respect to cost, routinely I spend 350 to 700 pesos on the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for the girl, usually Diva quality, and they stay no less than 4-6 hours. I defy anyone to achieve that same cost comparison with respect to time spent when compared to the high end massage parlors and/or escort services. And, the reality is, once I've found them, they are regulars, charging even less, and staying even longer. And, the escort girls or the high end massage parlor girls are no better looking, or any more "girl," than the best of the best in El Infinito. But, I agree that to each his own. I agree that some might enjoy the high end massage parlors and/or escort girls more than the bar scene, and I am fine with that. I am just defending my chosen venue with the same opinionated vigor as those who have found their other venues to be more rewarding. Nothing more...

But, the important thing is this...The bar girl's story was BS, and it should not be represented as true, and that hyping the dangers of Mexico is counter-productive, especially if the stories are hyped and false, and/or misleading with respect to the level of danger most would encounter by coming to the city. Life goes on in Monterrey, and while dangers do exist, the routine of life is still just that, relatively routine. This issue about everyone being on edge is simply not true. Everyone is aware that the dangers exist, and many are more in-tune with their surroundings, etc...but, there isn't a palpable fear among the population other than from the more dramatic...ie: bar girls, who for some reason always believe they are the center of attention and that everything revolves around them.

A warning to avoid dangerous circumstances is prudent. But, El Infinito IS NOT DANGEROUS, and nothing has ever happened there other than little minor altercations, the same kind of thing found in countless bars all across the USA, mostly as a result of drunks getting out of hand, and not because there is any gang related altercations causing issues.

You might also be rather surprised at just how many bouncers come out of the wood work at these bars when there is even a slight hint of things getting out of hand. They're planted all over the place, and while there are gang members in attendance, the bouncers are pretty good at keeping things under control. I've seen how they spring into action, many more of them than can be detected by just walking in and glancing around. So, don't believe for one second that the management of these cash cow businesses are going to permit things to get out of hand if they can help it. They are even more diligent now due to the Givenchy fiasco.

And, the other consideration is the underworld connection that many of these bars have. There is a certain "protection" that many of them enjoy. Remember, the guys that committed the murders in Givenchy are either on the run, strung up by their balls, or dead right now. This is all due to the Cartels taking revenge against the perpetrators because they acted against Cartel orders. It doesn't mean that something like Givenchy couldn't happen again, or that the shoot out couldn't take place tomorrow. But, for the most part, the likelihood is probably less that you would be injured in El Infinito, or any of the other bars, than on the downtown streets, or by walking into an Oxxo Store at night in El Centro.

Your recommendation not to visit Monterrey is a personal opinion, and if you're trying to get transferred due to the dangers that exist, I don't fault you for wanting out. There are dangers, but I can tell you first hand, the dangers in Chicago are on par with Monterrey. I am not going to cancel my trips to Chicago for business, and I will not be canceling any trips to return here for pleasure based on a level of danger that has simply not escalated to the level that is represented by some. If and when I start to see the danger level approaching that degree of severity, I'll be the first one to opt out, and the first one to reveal it here.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Unspongebob, please read my first post in this thread where I said that I don't recommend coming down to Monterrey at this moment and that I'm personally working to get transferred somewhere else. I will gladly accept your apology for jumping to conclusions.

But let's keep this civil; credibility as to the relative dangers of Monterrey can easily be attained by checking Google News. As I said, if you STILL want to come down to Monterrey, then I stand by what I said, but I understand that personal tastes will differ.

Going to a high-end massage parlor (and I'll not name names since I may get accused of being the owner. LOL) will cost you around 2K for the hour and the girl will be smoking hot. Go to a strip club and you could easily blow that 2k before you really find a girl of your choosing. And if you DO find the right girl, by the time you haggle with the bar fine and salida price, pay for drinks, privados, etc., the price will greatly exceed the 2k. And, anyway, for my tastes bar girls are too run-down and tired looking, but each his own.

Personally, I prefer walking into a clean MP, paying my money and getting my action without any hassle and, certainly, that would be preferable if I were only in town for a couple of days.

Like I said, tastes may differ, but I want my action without all the hassle and nastiness of having to step in other guys' jizz as I get a privado. Maybe that's your thing. Good for you.

And, really, how are we to know whether a story is unsubstantiated or not? Are we to take Monterreydude's word for it? Or are we to listen to him because you, another anonymous person on a message board, vouch for him? I don't know you or him from Adam.

Personally, I want to hear all stories that may concern my safety and then I'll decide what to believe.[/QUOTE]

I checked your pics out of the Givenchy murders, and they are of the outside of the building. Oh well, don't mean to be morbid, but I flipped anxiously over to the pics section thinking I was going to see the gory details. After all, the newspapers in Monterrey, and especially the television stations, are not known for censoring their videos and photos. So, I thought you'd have something juicy posted. That's one thing about Monterrey, they do not sugar coat the news. So, had El Infinito been the subject of a shoot-out, as infamous as El Infinito is, it would have surely made the front pages, and it would have been the feature story on the evening news broadcasts.

The media has absolutely no shame. Look how quickly they jumped on the accusations about Parthenon hiring under-aged girls. A totally and completely false accusation. But, look, Parthenon is totally out of business now as a result of the newspapers sensationalizing those false accusations. I can only imagine the uproar had a shooting occurred in El Infinito. The media would have milked it for all that it's worth. And, we better hope nothing happens in those bars, especially after all of our nae saying. Because, literally, with the Givenchy murders practically back to back with any future similar kind of incident, and if something like that were to actually occur at El Infinito, or any of the other bars, it could very likely mark the end of an era in Monterrey, and quite possibly the end of the bar scene as we know it.

So, that's why hyping the dangers beyond the facts is not helpful to our hobby. We better make sure that what's posted here isn't an over-reaction to the reality on the ground. It doesn't take much for the news media to latch onto gossip and false accusation, just as they did with Parthenon, squeezing every drop of opportunity out of a set of circumstances they created in order to profit from newspaper and advertising sales.

You all know that's what happened with the Parthenon fiasco right? The accusations originated on a Mexican website similar to this one, and the reporters created their own story after having read about it there. They visited the bar, and planted the seeds of accusation. They manufactured their own news because some poster mentioned his "opinions" without actually substantiating the reality.

So, while it might appear that we are advocating for El Infinito, and the lower end bars, we are actually only interested in preserving the venue, the entire venue, massage parlors, escort services, and bars. Because, if the media starts to blow things out of proportion, it's only a matter of time until the "do gooders" are successful in putting a stop to our hobby being so easy to enjoy.

That's why we're defensive when we hear things related here that we know are untrue, and why we are so focused on discrediting false accusations. It isn't that we're looking for a fight, or that we're trying to be difficult, or that we're trying to talk trash to anyone. It's simply self preservation of our hobby that's at stake, and it's in everyone's best interest not to hype things beyond the reality.


[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Harsh against Marius???
Anonymous????
Dozens of Americans kidnapped in Monterrey????

Hell, you really don't know at all what you are posting.

You don't like Mexico señor???... may I suggest relocating to National Socialist Arizona.

By the way Chester, I go to Reforma street to buy my bootleg movies... and I don't fear for my life for one second.
Why? Cause I know my city, I know where to go and where not to go.
Where to mess and where not to mess.

By the way, why are YOU posting here???
This forum is for mongers, not for antimongers.
I don't think you know one single escort from a service or one single club girl from a SC.

Chester, you don't know one iota of soccer. You should go to Prestige SC at 1:30 pm (5 star club, more to your social level) for lunch and see if it's devoid of soccer fans.

And Iam not harsh against Marius, Iam just saying that he is just passing along his BS.

This is my serious BS: If there has been a shooting at Infinito, why is it that NO ONE has posted the newpaper article???? Or the pictures???
Look at the pictures section, I just posted the pics from the Oct-16-2008 killings at Givenchy taken from elnorte.com. And I totally swear that event did happen on that said date. No BS from me.
I play it FAIR AND SQUARE.
This is my posting on that event on or around those dates:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=803291&postcount=1592[/url]

I never EVER hide things from the mongers.
And SHAME on anyone that says I do.[/QUOTE]

I Live here and there's no anonymous person on a message board who is going to pull the wool over my eyes. Of all my business associates, at least 90% of them have been the victim of some sort of extortion. I've known people who have had to move because of the heat generated by the thugs who roam the streets as complete untouchables.

To compare Monterrey and the Mexican Drug Wars to the crime in cities like Chicago is ridiculous. In the US, there are safe zones where you are 100% safe with crime relegated to certain zones. I grew up in suburban Detroit and never even saw a crime until I started going into the city to "hobby." Can you imagine some thugs storming a Holiday Inn in downtown Chicago, kicking down doors and kidnapping guests? Ridiculous. Or maybe you guys would like to make us believe that this was a lie or that we'd be safe because those guys weren't looking specifically for us?

In the US, you generally need to find the thugs to rob you. In Monterrey, they come looking for you. And don't tell me otherwise because I just had to find a new secretary because the old one quit when she got a call insisting that we pay 50k if we want to stay healthy and in business.

So, Monterreydude, you can take a turd and insist that it's a lollipop all you want. I'm not a sex tourist coming in for a couple of days. I live here and I know that you know the dangers. Street crime is avoidable if you know where you're going, but the cartels can touch everything.

This is not an attack on Mexico or its people as you seem to think it is. It's not an attack on mongering. And as far as not knowing any girls? LOL. I'd put my crew against yours any day of the week.

My only point is that everyone, like myself and Marius, should feel comfortable in posting what they hear in an effort to keep this an open exchange of views and opinions. The stories can be rebuked if they're not true, but being rebuked is one thing and being attacked, personally, is quite another. This is a forum about mongering in Monterrey, in all aspects. Not just about mongering at El Infinito and the rest of us be damned.

Monterreydude, your intense, seething anger at differing points of view leads one to believe that you have an agenda, sir. A simple debate is like this: "No, the story can't be true because of these reasons..." Not, "NO! You know nothing! You are trying to sabotage El Infinito!" That makes a reasonable person scratch their head and wonder about you. Hmmmmmmm.

But, regardless, it's obvious that I, as well as anyone else with a differing viewpoint, will be shouted down here no matter what we say. I have no desire to get in a pissing war with a bully. Maybe you're using the role model of the Mexican media which is for sale and dedicated to distracting attention from the real issues. So,this is your forum again. I will look for another site where differing opinions are actually encouraged and embraced.

My last word (and this has been my point all along): Be careful and avoid being a statistic by not putting yourself in dangerous places. Going to the low-end clubs is like walking into a pit of vipers and assuming that just because you walk among them you are immune to the venom.

[quote=monterreydude]harsh against marius?

anonymous?

dozens of americans kidnapped in monterrey

hell, you really don't know at all what you are posting.

you don't like mexico señor?. may i suggest relocating to national socialist arizona.

by the way chester, i go to reforma street to buy my bootleg movies. and i don't fear for my life for one second.

why? cause i know my city, i know where to go and where not to go.

where to mess and where not to mess.

by the way, why are you posting here?

this forum is for mongers, not for antimongers.

i don't think you know one single escort from a service or one single club girl from a sc.

chester, you don't know one iota of soccer. you should go to prestige sc at 1:30 pm (5 star club, more to your social level) for lunch and see if it's devoid of soccer fans.

and i am not harsh against marius, i am just saying that he is just passing along his bs.

this is my serious bs: if there has been a shooting at infinito, why is it that no one has posted the newpaper article? or the pictures?

look at the pictures section, i just posted the pics from the oct-16-2008 killings at givenchy taken from elnorte.com. and i totally swear that event did happen on that said date. no bs from me.

i play it fair and square.

this is my posting on that event on or around those dates:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php? p=803291&postcount=1592[/url]

i never ever hide things from the mongers.

and shame on anyone that says i do.[/quote]wow. you now have the dubious distinction of probably being the only person to condescendingly put down two forum members in the same post.

are you going to make me come back to this thread and throw down some more cans of whoop-ass?

in my opinion, there probably wasn't a shooting at infinito. however, i personally knew and met a girl who was 15-years-old that was working at the partenon last year, as i was seeing her aunt(who also worked at the partenon) outside the club for a brief time. she proclaimed to me that there were others that were **** at the club and that's as far as the conversation went. also, there was another club that was busted approximately the same time for **** girls. the relevancy of this is that you guys don't know everything that is happening in monterrey and others should be welcomed to post their information here without being undermined by the lenny and squiggy show.

you guys with your egos and mouths. you just never learn.

One of the things that I like about of the sex scene in Monterrey is that there are different types of markets for every type of costumer whether you like more Strip Club girls, Massage Parlor girls, Swinger girls or Escort girls (my personal preference but I do not mind having fun with Teiboleras or Massage Parlors girls when I want to diversify the options). You do not have to stick to only one specific type of girl or market orientated segment as you have various different types of pussies and asses for every type of budget and customer preference. Such situation it is not presented in other large Mexican cites such as Guadalajara where the local sex market there is almost nonexistent despite having some of the most hottest girls in the western hemisphere and when you are horny whether you have money or not you will end probably watching porn and masturbating yourself instead of getting your brains fucked out by a hot smoking local girl. As USB mentioned I do not want things to get out of the actual proportion by some sensationalist non professional journalists or government owned agencies (from both sides of the border) as I do not want Monterrey to become in anyway similar regarding the sex market the way Guadalajara (or any major US city) is right now.

old news.
precocious, partenon has been shut down forever since november 22, 2009.
you are late here with that piece of news.
unspongebob told us about that one.

"in my opinion, there probably wasn't a shooting at infinito"

in your opinion??? facts precocious, if you want to whoop my ass, you need facts.
it's not an "opinon", it didn't happen. now, that's a fact.
besides, you haven't been inside a sc in ages.
only mps, remember? you prefer them over scs.
remember how you used to post tidbits and kept all pertinent info for yourself???
and "ass-whooped" me when i told the mongers the pertinent info???
the part you didn't want no one to know???
like location and address?????
remember the miroslava mp thing we had like a year ago????

ps: "you now have the dubious distinction of probably being the only person to condescendingly put down two forum members in the same post."
make it three. different posts, but three.

pps: please post something relevant on your forté, mp's.



[quote=precocious one]wow. you now have the dubious distinction of probably being the only person to condescendingly put down two forum members in the same post.

are you going to make me come back to this thread and throw down some more cans of whoop-ass?

in my opinion, there probably wasn't a shooting at infinito. however, i personally knew and met a girl who was 15-years-old that was working at the partenon last year, as i was seeing her aunt(who also worked at the partenon) outside the club for a brief time. she proclaimed to me that there were others that were **** at the club and that's as far as the conversation went. also, there was another club that was busted approximately the same time for **** girls. the relevancy of this is that you guys don't know everything that is happening in monterrey and others should be welcomed to post their information here without being undermined by the lenny and squiggy show.

you guys with your egos and mouths. you just never learn.[/quote]

I realized during the morning hours, Chester, for a man that lives in Monterrey, you had no idea about Givenchy.
You know Givenchy???? The post I wrote in 2008???

I mean, you live here and didn't have a clue that 3 soldiers were massacered inside Givenchy???
You didn't see the video on TV with the soldieres bloodied and sprawled on Givenchy's number #1 stage????
I mean, you LIVE HERE and didn't see our adorable sensationalist TV news broadcasts, nor sensationalist El Sol tabloid or "amarillista" El Norte???

If you didn't... well, I guess you are poorly informed.
Cause I did, and I posted it.

I also noticed reading between lines that you are trying to evade the fact and it's quite obvious... you could have used it as an example of the violence here in Monterrey but you didn't and still haven't.

Am begining to believe that you know nothing of what really goes on in Monterrey.
I could even dare say that you are not here at all.

Ok Chester, pop quiz: for a man, and a quote copy/paste "I'm an American working in Monterrey and I've been living here for 6 years"... you still haven't used some examples of the violence going down here that have really affected the night life in the city.

Name them.


Ps: Crime in Chicago... did you know that several Illinois state legislators wanted the National Guard as peacemakers in Chicago cause violence is almost overwhelming the police force there???
I don't think so, you don't know anything that goes on.
Read the news...

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/guns-the-guard-and-guts_b_557376.html[/url]

PPS: You also evaded my "dozens and dozens of Americans kidnapped" and did a 180 degree turn into "90% have been extorted".
90%... May I ask in what way??? Please state it.
I mean, it is common to all of us, with in that "90%" margin.


[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I Live here and there's no anonymous person on a message board who is going to pull the wool over my eyes. Of all my business associates, at least 90% of them have been the victim of some sort of extortion. I've known people who have had to move because of the heat generated by the thugs who roam the streets as complete untouchables.

To compare Monterrey and the Mexican Drug Wars to the crime in cities like Chicago is ridiculous. In the US, there are safe zones where you are 100% safe with crime relegated to certain zones. I grew up in suburban Detroit and never even saw a crime until I started going into the city to "hobby." Can you imagine some thugs storming a Holiday Inn in downtown Chicago, kicking down doors and kidnapping guests? Ridiculous. Or maybe you guys would like to make us believe that this was a lie or that we'd be safe because those guys weren't looking specifically for us?

In the US, you generally need to find the thugs to rob you. In Monterrey, they come looking for you. And don't tell me otherwise because I just had to find a new secretary because the old one quit when she got a call insisting that we pay 50k if we want to stay healthy and in business.

So, Monterreydude, you can take a turd and insist that it's a lollipop all you want. I'm not a sex tourist coming in for a couple of days. I live here and I know that you know the dangers. Street crime is avoidable if you know where you're going, but the cartels can touch everything.

This is not an attack on Mexico or its people as you seem to think it is. It's not an attack on mongering. And as far as not knowing any girls? LOL. I'd put my crew against yours any day of the week.

My only point is that everyone, like myself and Marius, should feel comfortable in posting what they hear in an effort to keep this an open exchange of views and opinions. The stories can be rebuked if they're not true, but being rebuked is one thing and being attacked, personally, is quite another. This is a forum about mongering in Monterrey, in all aspects. Not just about mongering at El Infinito and the rest of us be damned.

Monterreydude, your intense, seething anger at differing points of view leads one to believe that you have an agenda, sir. A simple debate is like this: "No, the story can't be true because of these reasons..." Not, "NO! You know nothing! You are trying to sabotage El Infinito!" That makes a reasonable person scratch their head and wonder about you. Hmmmmmmm.

But, regardless, it's obvious that I, as well as anyone else with a differing viewpoint, will be shouted down here no matter what we say. I have no desire to get in a pissing war with a bully. Maybe you're using the role model of the Mexican media which is for sale and dedicated to distracting attention from the real issues. So,this is your forum again. I will look for another site where differing opinions are actually encouraged and embraced.

My last word (and this has been my point all along): Be careful and avoid being a statistic by not putting yourself in dangerous places. Going to the low-end clubs is like walking into a pit of vipers and assuming that just because you walk among them you are immune to the venom.[/QUOTE]

that parthenon accusation is bs, plain and simple. all the girls i knew at parthenon, after it was closed, were all legally working in other bars immediately, in bars all around parthenon. in fact, they were working in other bars owned by parthenon. the authorities were all over the bars after that incident was blown out of proportion by the newspapers and parthenon was closed down, and especially the other bars owned by parthenon. the authorities were hard on all the bars after that incident, making sure all the girls were legal. and, all of the girls working at parthenon, the ones that all look like they are 15 years old, were still working, and are still working to this day.

the reality about parthenon is this...just so you know. the schtick that many of the young girls like using is the "i am ****d" schtick. when the reporter visited parthenon from the newspaper, he asked if he could get an ****d girl. the girl that they brought him played the role. the reality is, she was not, after all, after her id card was checked, ****d. so, whatever you were told i have been told by them many times. "i am only 15 years old, etc..." well, sorry to break it to you, but the girls were all of legal age, then, and now, and they've been working in the other bars ever since, their ids checked scrupulously by the authorities many times over since parthenon closed.

and, just so you know, parthenon was shut down on a technical violation relating to their licensing, a violation that was unrelated to girls working ****d, not because the authorities were able to prove that girls were working ****d. and, just so you know, partenon reopened again after the licensing issues were corrected, just a few months after their closing. they did not remain open because by the time of their reopening, they had re-assigned all their girls to other bars, and they no longer had a decent line-up of girls. they were their old former lousy self, and could not sustain their business. so, they voluntarily closed.

certainly, there are incidents of ****d girls working in monterrey. to believe otherwise would be naive. but, there is not a wholesale hiring of them by the bars with specific intent to do so, as the news media was attempting to portray, nor was parthenon engaged in that practice.

what was the name of the other bar that was shut down? extasis was closed for a while, but not because of any violation. they were sold to new owners and are open again, but i believe under a different name. and, were they ever able to prove that the girls were ****d that were working in any of these bars? no...

were they shut down for some other technical violation, just as parthenon was, ostensibly to calm the storm created by the newspaper reporting? all the bars came under scrutiny by the authorities at that time as they were attempting to appear they were doing something about the newspaper's outrage, which is why parthenon was closed down on a technicality.

and, there was not a shooting at el infinito. your comment that it "probably" didn't happen is simply a denial of the facts.

how can our posting the facts be construed as egotistical? just because we take issue with something being posted here as fact, something that is not true, something we know is false, and pointing it out, we are egotistical? then, when we point out that something is false, we are accused that we are not plugged into what is going on. that simply isn't logical? we did not even take issue with marius himself, but simply disputed the story he was hearing from some girl(s). it was marius that insisted the story was true when we knew it was not.

and, i live here too precocious, and so does monterreydude. so, we have our opinion of what is happening, and you have yours. i can tell you this much from my personal association with monterreydude, he is far more connected in monterrey than you, me, and all the rest of the posters here put together. if you really knew him personally, and you understood the extent of his connections, connections beyond the world of scs, mps, etc... you would feel like a complete and total fool in having any doubts about whom is plugged into what is going on and who isn't.

and, with regard to your "whoop ass" comment, we do not, nor have we ever abused other members with your same acumen. we don't call others condescending, we do not threaten them with a "whoop assing," we do not insult others by calling them names, ie:the lenny and squigy comment. our comments are made with respect for other members, and not abusive. we do comment with firm rebuttal when we know certain things are not true...period.

there have been others that persist in their violations of forum rules by making their comments personal and insulting. they are no longer with us as a result. i just love having lots of ammo, and i know you can not help yourself.


[quote=precocious one]wow. you now have the dubious distinction of probably being the only person to condescendingly put down two forum members in the same post.

are you going to make me come back to this thread and throw down some more cans of whoop-ass?

in my opinion, there probably wasn't a shooting at infinito. however, i personally knew and met a girl who was 15-years-old that was working at the partenon last year, as i was seeing her aunt(who also worked at the partenon) outside the club for a brief time. she proclaimed to me that there were others that were **** at the club and that's as far as the conversation went. also, there was another club that was busted approximately the same time for **** girls. the relevancy of this is that you guys don't know everything that is happening in monterrey and others should be welcomed to post their information here without being undermined by the lenny and squiggy show.

you guys with your egos and mouths. you just never learn.[/quote]

I wish some of you could watch the evening local news in Monterrey; Complete and utter chaos. Just stay away if you can't speak decent spanish. An example of how bad it has gotten; I am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions; something that has never happend to me before in this city (Everyone in the City is just scared). Then it seems that the whole city population just talks about how bad the violence is getting.

AmigoMio true or false; the Cartel Del Golfo, Police and Mexican Military have joined forces to kill Zetas. TRUE

For those who don't who the Zetas are; Zetas are a crime empire that decided to take full control of the drug trade, but underestimated the power of the Cartel Del Gulfo and are locked in a brutal war where beheadings and shoot-outs in the streets of Monterrey are common place.

AmigoMio true of false; Infinto pays there own bar fine to the Zetas as protection/extortion. TRUE

And this is the problem with Infinto and all the downtown area bars. They pay there fees to the Zetas. The Cartel Del Golfo are super brutal; and one can only assume that it's just a matter of time.

Another factor is just the regular street thugs that seem to crawl out of the wood work; In Monterrey it's way worse than any American City. This is what SpongeBob doesn't get about crime in America vs. Mexico. Crime is not reported in Monterrey. Only a small percentage is reported due to threats to the News media. I can only imagine what occurs in Monterrey on a daily basis due to it's extreme poverty and scarce city resources for such a huge population.

I also don't care who comes or not; this is just a warning to people on this board of the real danger in Monterrey. Hell; I've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police and it occurs with great frequency.

BTW; I never liked the Escorts or High end massage parlors. I have no intrest in promoting any businesses in Monterrey.come to Monterrey if you like gambling with your life. I often think about my trips to Monterrey. Why do I put myself in harms way? And the answer is simple; I am a sex addict.

Marius, I remember hearing these same kinds of warnings from other people when I first began going to other parts of the world a number of years ago. Had I succumbed to the fear, I would never had enjoyed, as much, the last ten to fifteen years of my life. There is a price to be paid for the kind of freedom we choose to engage in. The degree of enjoyment you experience in life, and even your own affluence with respect to finances, is directly tied to the risk one is prepared to engage in. So, if you aren't an adventurous and independently minded individual, then I recommend that the reader stay home, where you will be comparatively slightly safer, ever so slightly, not totally safe, just a little safer.

Marius, this forum is not Foder's, or any other travel forum designed for the casual sightseeing traveler. It is a mongering forum. All of the destinations of the world that are considered worth traveling to for our hobby would be considered, by the average home body type, to be "dangerous."

I recall the warnings about the government unrest in Thailand, something that is developing there even to this day, the terrorism of Indonesia, mainly in Jakarta and Bali. I remember the warnings I heard with respect to the Philippines. I recall the warnings about Columbia, and also Brazil. Interestingly, these destinations are all considered the epitome of mongering perfection with respect to venue selection. One can travel to Wichita or Boise for mongering perfection, but I assure you that you'll be very disappointed.

I recall arriving in all of the notorious destinations, all but Brazil, but it is most definitely on my agenda, all of them previously represented as having varying levels of danger and violence. I experienced no violence, no criminal acts, and absolutely no problems. I did not even see anything that caused me to have concern for my own safety. But, obviously the dangers did exist.

So, yes, your warnings are prudent. Our hobby does have risks. I know that the gang violence is real, but while the people of Monterrey certainly discuss the violence between the Cartels, there is not a palpable fear here like what you describe. The people are mindful of their surroundings, understand that there is an element of danger, etc..., but life is going on in Monterrey on a relatively routine basis otherwise. The streets are filled with people...and there is absolutely no difference in the way they go about their everyday lives. I mean, it is not Beirut, with bombs going off in the streets, the airports, etc...There is a danger level associated with possibly being caught in the crossfire between the gangs, but generally it is between gangs. The kidnappings are for the most part related to gang member activity, and the average citizen, uninvolved in gang activity, is virtually ignored with respect to any intent to involve them.

And, when you say you wish everyone could watch the news in Monterrey. The news media in Monterrey is shameless. They only want to sell newspapers and television advertising, to increase readership, etc...It is all about money. I would not take everything you see on the news in Monterrey as particularly independent and unbiased reporting. They have one agenda, to SELL, period. And, they create much of the hysteria that drives not only your own fears, but the hysteria that is reported to other parts of the world with respect to what is really going on here.

With regard to the Holiday Inn kidnappings, ALL of them were Mexican Nationals, and from Mexico city, obviously a gang related issue, and something that was planned well in advance when you consider the level of sophistication that was demonstrated.

And, by the way, they would never have gotten away with such ridiculous tactics in the USA. The (50) or more thugs that stopped traffic to impede the police response would have been gunned down by a pistol packing public, solely on the aggravated outrage of law abiding motorists having their road trips delayed, and rightfully so.

I will never forget coming into Monterrey amid all the reports about the levels of violence, especially the reports that are saturated within the USA, and frankly, hyped in our own media purely for monetary purposes as well, reports about Mexico's level of violence, and while I accept that the levels of violence exists, I remember also noticing how routine things are on the ground in Monterrey. So, you have to factor it all into a total assessment before just solely considering the violence. You have to also factor in the routine of normalcy that exists here.

Yes, Mexico, and the world, is generally a more dangerous place than the USA. The difference, frankly, is by US constitutional law, American Citizens have a right to protect our own lives, and are not subject to the government doing it for them, except, for example, within the Peoples Republic of Illinois, and Chicago specifically, where you can not protect your own life by carrying a weapon of your own. Thus, they have the crime and violence level that is indicative of Chicago.

In other venues where Americans are permitted to carry weapons to fight these kinds of attacks, the crime rates are quite low, the gang activity is kept contained between gang members, and the public environments are quite safe. Why, because the criminal element, the gangs, and dare I say it, even the government, is subject to the will of the people. The people can bite back when the criminals/gangs threaten them. And, the criminals and gangs are not free to assault a defenseless public. They are subject to potential death on the spot from law abiding American citizens they target, or from American citizens coming to the immediate aid of their unarmed innocent, or guilty, victims.

No stopping traffic on the highways to rob people like in Monterrey. If that happened in the USA, the perpetrators would be killed by a barrage of gun fire coming directly from their intended victims. No kidnapping people, no robbing them, no assaulting them, no nothing...you do it and you die. That's a pretty good deterrent. Commit a violent crime against the innocent and you risk death, verdad?

The statistical fighting between the criminals and between the gang members would remain static, but the assaults against the innocent, and the criminal element and gangs targeting the public at large would cease under threat of immediate execution from their intended victims.

Mexico is politically far left of the USA, where the rights of the individual are less important than the rights of the State. The people of Mexico come from a back ground of socialistic, welfare dependence. They are indoctrinated to have a dependence, historically first upon the Church, and now, these days, upon the State. The people of Mexico are conditioned to think that way, hoping in exchange for their freedom, to be taken care of by the State, mostly because the State offers them little opportunity for prosperity, and it could possibly even be charged, purposefully doing so to maintain power over the people. People with that mind set are simply not open to the independence of self reliance, and they can not fathom being responsible for their own destiny. Historically, the citizenry of the USA, on the other hand, survives from a long line of very independent thinkers; ie: our forefathers in the USA.

The State is responsible for the safety of it's citizens, but unless the citizens hold the power, and take responsibility for their own circumstances by controlling the dominance of their own government regulation intended to dampen their independence, they will continue to be the victims of violence, graft, corruption, etc...There is one solution to Mexico violence. Return the power to the people of Mexico, permit them to defend their own lives, and watch how quickly the Zetas and Cartel de Golfo, and their own government come into line.

When you travel outside the USA, or in Illinois, California, New York, Wisconsin, or Massachusetts, and I say this with a certain measure of exaggeration and humor mixed with truth, you take your personal safety into your own hands because you are depending on the incompetence, and the self interest of government officials for your own safety.

That's what government everywhere, in all countries, want. Governments, and their self serving career politicians and officials, want you to be totally and completely dependent upon them, at their whimsical mercy, so they are able to dictate the terms of your existence for their own self interested power grabbing benefit.

As a result of an increasing ignorance of history with respect to our own citizens, and the influence of the facists, we in the USA are now moving incrementally toward Facism, with government and large corporations joining forces to assail our individual rights and freedoms. But, fortunately for us, we have the influence of our historical upbringing to squash their attempts. But, in Mexico, the people are ill equipped to understand the cost and benefits of independence, nor are they conditioned to understand their own responsibility that comes with sustaining true freedom.

This, my friends, is the root of the problem in Mexico, and the World. Sorry for the rant, but it is the truth, verdad?

[QUOTE=Marius 67]I wish some of you could watch the evening local news in Monterrey; Complete and utter chaos. Just stay away if you can't speak decent spanish. An example of how bad it has gotten; I am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions; something that has never happend to me before in this city (Everyone in the City is just scared). Then it seems that the whole city population just talks about how bad the violence is getting.

AmigoMio true or false; the Cartel Del Golfo, Police and Mexican Military have joined forces to kill Zetas. TRUE

For those who don't who the Zetas are; Zetas are a crime empire that decided to take full control of the drug trade, but underestimated the power of the Cartel Del Gulfo and are locked in a brutal war where beheadings and shoot-outs in the streets of Monterrey are common place.

AmigoMio true of false; Infinto pays there own bar fine to the Zetas as protection/extortion. TRUE

And this is the problem with Infinto and all the downtown area bars. They pay there fees to the Zetas. The Cartel Del Golfo are super brutal; and one can only assume that it's just a matter of time.

Another factor is just the regular street thugs that seem to crawl out of the wood work; In Monterrey it's way worse than any American City. This is what SpongeBob doesn't get about crime in America vs. Mexico. Crime is not reported in Monterrey. Only a small percentage is reported due to threats to the News media. I can only imagine what occurs in Monterrey on a daily basis due to it's extreme poverty and scarce city resources for such a huge population.

I also don't care who comes or not; this is just a warning to people on this board of the real danger in Monterrey. Hell; I've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police and it occurs with great frequency.

BTW; I never liked the Escorts or High end massage parlors. I have no intrest in promoting any businesses in Monterrey.come to Monterrey if you like gambling with your life. I often think about my trips to Monterrey. Why do I put myself in harms way? And the answer is simple; I am a sex addict.[/QUOTE]

I don't get this post.

Of course everyone can follow what goes on in Monterrey.

[url]http://multimedios.tv/videos/envivo[/url]

This is a live streaming video of local channel 12.
Newscasts at 6 am 12 noon and 7 pm (central time).

Guys, be my guest. Watch the newscasts.

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Marius says: "I am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions"

This is ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL BS.... plainly spoken.
I laughed reading this part.
Marius, you are not the only monger from this and other forums coming to Monterrey. You are not the only WASPish (sorry my friends for the term) looking guy in Monterrey and Iam not talking Americans, am talking locals from Monterrey
Seems, like I pointed out to Chester, seems as if you have never been to Monterrey.
You are way out of line here... well, not way out of line, you are denoting ignorance.

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Marius says: "True or false; the Cartel Del Golfo, Police and Mexican Military have joined forces to kill Zetas. TRUE"

Anyway, the answer to the question is "yes".

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Marius says: "beheadings and shoot-outs in the streets of Monterrey are common place."

No beheadings at all have happened in Monterrey.
You have the link to the news webcast, check it out guys.

Shoot outs in the streets of Monterrey, yes, but in the PERIPHERY of the city, the outlying counties, and between the armed forces and the bad guys. Guess who gets the short end of the stick???
And even then limited things have happened, within the city, but nothing big in long long while.

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Marius says: "true of false; Infinto pays there own bar fine to the Zetas as protection/extortion."

Not any more. The Zetas are gone from the dowtown area. Anyway, drug selling still goes on as regular as it occurs at any Russian controled SC or bar on the East Coast or Chinese mafia controled bars on the West coast back in the USA.

What is it Marius??? surprised drugs are sold where prostitution goes on???
You see Marius, before, it was a "I think they sell" abstract idea even when everything was in plain view.
Whole populus thought drus were only sold on the low end, low class areas.
Now, with all the rucus going on, everyone is "surprised" that drugs are sold EVERYWHERE, even at the Barrio Antiguo and and the high end clubs at the Colonia del Valle distric.

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Marius says: "And this is the problem with Infinto and all the downtown area bars. They pay there fees to the Zetas. The Cartel Del Golfo are super brutal; and one can only assume that it's just a matter of time."

REALLY!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!! I been scammed!!!!!!
I thought I was at Disneyland for the past 30 years of local mongering!!!!!!

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Marius says: "Crime is not reported in Monterrey. Only a small percentage is reported due to threats to the News media"

You really haven't watched the news casts... haven't you???
Nor read the newspapers??????
Why do you think we know what goes on around the city???
Via a crystal ball????
Facebook, Twitter... the ISG????

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Marius says: "Hell; I've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police and it occurs with great frequency."

Guys, have any of you been robbed by the police????

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Never mind the rest, am late to watch the US vs Ghana soccer game.
Am watching it at Infinito.








[QUOTE=Marius 67]I wish some of you could watch the evening local news in Monterrey; Complete and utter chaos. Just stay away if you can't speak decent spanish. An example of how bad it has gotten; I am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions; something that has never happend to me before in this city (Everyone in the City is just scared). Then it seems that the whole city population just talks about how bad the violence is getting.

AmigoMio true or false; the Cartel Del Golfo, Police and Mexican Military have joined forces to kill Zetas. TRUE

For those who don't who the Zetas are; Zetas are a crime empire that decided to take full control of the drug trade, but underestimated the power of the Cartel Del Gulfo and are locked in a brutal war where beheadings and shoot-outs in the streets of Monterrey are common place.

AmigoMio true of false; Infinto pays there own bar fine to the Zetas as protection/extortion. TRUE

And this is the problem with Infinto and all the downtown area bars. They pay there fees to the Zetas. The Cartel Del Golfo are super brutal; and one can only assume that it's just a matter of time.

Another factor is just the regular street thugs that seem to crawl out of the wood work; In Monterrey it's way worse than any American City. This is what SpongeBob doesn't get about crime in America vs. Mexico. Crime is not reported in Monterrey. Only a small percentage is reported due to threats to the News media. I can only imagine what occurs in Monterrey on a daily basis due to it's extreme poverty and scarce city resources for such a huge population.

I also don't care who comes or not; this is just a warning to people on this board of the real danger in Monterrey. Hell; I've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police and it occurs with great frequency.

BTW; I never liked the Escorts or High end massage parlors. I have no intrest in promoting any businesses in Monterrey.come to Monterrey if you like gambling with your life. I often think about my trips to Monterrey. Why do I put myself in harms way? And the answer is simple; I am a sex addict.[/QUOTE]

"i am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions"

i am light skinned, but dark hair, and i dress like crap, look like a complete and total gringo, sometimes even wearing short pants, a definite no no in latin american countries, one that will give you away as a dumb gringo every time. i don't care, it's hot, and comfort is king. anyway, i don't have any trouble getting a cab at all. i mean, well, i do have trouble if the cabs are full. but, then, everyone has trouble getting a cab if they're full. i also have trouble getting a cab in the rain. every cab is full when it rains in monterrey, so everyone has trouble getting a cab. i have trouble getting a cab very early in the morning, say between 3am and 5am. there just don't seem to be as many cabs out making their rounds during those hours, and it takes a little longer sometimes for one to come along.

"i've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police, and it occurs with great frequency."

in downtown monterrey there are cops every block or so at night. and, no, i have never, never, ever been stopped by them, or extorted, or anything, not in ten years of walking the streets of el centro, sometimes until 4am in the morning, alone, totally vulnerable to any of them that might have such a shake down in mind. and, i am quite obviously a gringo in appearance, ostensibly with money bulging from his pockets according to the stereotype. i stick out like a sore thumb. so, were this shake down issue to be common place, believe me, i would have experienced it in ten years. but, no, i have never had even the slightest contact initiated by the police.

now, of course, if you're driving a car, the transitos will shake you down whether you're a gringo or a mexican national. it happened to me once when i was driving my gf's car. they pulled me over and told me i was exceeding the speed limit, which i wasn't. they wanted me to pay 1000 pesos. i laughed at him, told him i had no money, and i told him to go ahead and write me a ticket, that i would just pay the fine. he let me go, no ticket, no further issue...i was let go easier, i might add, than i would have been released by the cops in the usa. i have seen my mexican friends stopped by transitos, and they've usually paid them 50 pesos when they hand them their driver's licenses. they were always on their way in less than 60 seconds.

frankly, i would rather bribe the transito than pay a fine for a speeding offense in the us. you see, in the us, we have speed traps that are designed as tax increases upon the public. where it would be customary to post a reasonable speed limit of say 45 mph, instead, the cities post them at 30mph and write tickets all day long because the lower posted speeds are ridiculously low, and they know they will be able to write speeding tickets there. frankly, i would rather donate 50 pesos (less than $5 us) to the local transito that can barely feed his family, rather than pay a $75 speeding ticket to help pay for the mayors new cadillac sedan, as city government in the us passes their little speed trap off as concern for public safety...yeah, sure, concerned for public safety, right.


[quote=monterreydude]i don't get this post.

of course everyone can follow what goes on in monterrey.

[url]http://multimedios.tv/videos/envivo[/url]

this is a live streaming video of local channel 12.
newscasts at 6 am 12 noon and 7 pm (central time).

guys, be my guest. watch the newscasts.

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marius says: "i am fairly light skinned, blond and dress well and was having trouble just getting a cab on several occasions"

this is absolute and total bs.... plainly spoken.
i laughed reading this part.
marius, you are not the only monger from this and other forums coming to monterrey. you are not the only waspish (sorry my friends for the term) looking guy in monterrey and iam not talking americans, am talking locals from monterrey
seems, like i pointed out to chester, seems as if you have never been to monterrey.
you are way out of line here... well, not way out of line, you are denoting ignorance.

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marius says: "true or false; the cartel del golfo, police and mexican military have joined forces to kill zetas. true"

anyway, the answer to the question is "yes".

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marius says: "beheadings and shoot-outs in the streets of monterrey are common place."

no beheadings at all have happened in monterrey.
you have the link to the news webcast, check it out guys.

shoot outs in the streets of monterrey, yes, but in the periphery of the city, the outlying counties, and between the armed forces and the bad guys. guess who gets the short end of the stick???
and even then limited things have happened, within the city, but nothing big in long long while.

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marius says: "true of false; infinto pays there own bar fine to the zetas as protection/extortion."

not any more. the zetas are gone from the dowtown area. anyway, drug selling still goes on as regular as it occurs at any russian controled sc or bar on the east coast or chinese mafia controled bars on the west coast back in the usa.

what is it marius??? surprised drugs are sold where prostitution goes on???
you see marius, before, it was a "i think they sell" abstract idea even when everything was in plain view.
whole populus thought drus were only sold on the low end, low class areas.
now, with all the rucus going on, everyone is "surprised" that drugs are sold everywhere, even at the barrio antiguo and and the high end clubs at the colonia del valle distric.

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marius says: "and this is the problem with infinto and all the downtown area bars. they pay there fees to the zetas. the cartel del golfo are super brutal; and one can only assume that it's just a matter of time."

really!!!!!!!! oh my god!!!!!!! i been scammed!!!!!!
i thought i was at disneyland for the past 30 years of local mongering!!!!!!

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marius says: "crime is not reported in monterrey. only a small percentage is reported due to threats to the news media"

you really haven't watched the news casts... haven't you???
nor read the newspapers??????
why do you think we know what goes on around the city???
via a crystal ball????
facebook, twitter... the isg????

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marius says: "hell; i've even heard stories of people getting robbed by police and it occurs with great frequency."

guys, have any of you been robbed by the police????

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never mind the rest, am late to watch the us vs ghana soccer game.
am watching it at infinito.[/quote]

This is going nowhere. Monterreydude and Unspongebob are obviously never going to cop to the obvious danger here in Monterrey. Monterreydude is playing the role of hustler and Unspongebob, the wide-eyed tourist taken in by the local. You can't accept the dangers on one hand, as Unspongebob does, and then tell everyone that all is well. Enough with the deflections and head-burying. Monterrey is a damn dangerous place right now and it's at the hub of the drug war-and that's a fact that anyone without a vested interest or a gullible character would accept.

Simply put, if you want to downplay and ignore the obvious crime in Monterrey and the targeted, EXTREMELY gory nature of that crime, then do so at your own peril. I live here, watch the same newscasts and have 1st hand experience with these cartel scumbags. They will also downplay the dangers of Monterrey and exploit the tourists until the bucks start to run dry. Then, watch out! And the bucks are starting to run dry.

Like I said earlier, it's best NOT to tempt the hands of fate at this point in time. Stay away from the low-end bars. All the security they got for simple bar fights will quickly disappear when bullets start flying. The fact of the matter is that most American tourists avoid danger because they're in town for a relatively short period of time and aren't likely to be traced. Why the hell would any sane person want to deliver themselves right to where the criminals are?

Yeah, and maybe there will only be one such incident per year, but would you like to be there when it happens? Wouldn't it be better to be safely tucked away in your hotel room? Unless, of course, the cartel trash decides to invade some more hotels and pick up some more "goodies."

"You can't accept the dangers on one hand, as Unspongebob does, and then tell everyone that all is well."

First, I am not a "wide eyed tourist." I have traveled the entire world, and I can assess the level of violence I see in Monterrey from a much more experienced perspective than you seem to have. There are a number of prime mongering destinations that present much greater potential for violance perpetrated on the general public than Monterrey. I accept there are dangers in Monterrey, I just don't accept your conclusion that by visiting the clubs I am risking my safety any more than walking the streets.

Frankly, if you live here, I don't see how you can conclude that it's more dangerous in the bars. There have been NO recent incidents of extreme violence occurring in the bars, or in el centro per se. Just as Monterreydude reported, most incidents occur on the outskirts of the city. If you can provide specific details of recent incidents in the bars that can be substantiated beyond just making a statement that it's possible, then I will gladly accept your conclusions publicly within this forum once substantiated. If you can provide specific incidents of kidnappings, or hotel invasions, perpetrated on average locals or upon visiting tourists, then I will gladly join your cause. To my knowledge, watching the news just as you have, I see no evidence of it occurring.

I could be calling you alarmist, and accusing you of over-reacting, just as you accused me of being a "wide eyed tourist," even though I live here just as you do, and have considerable experience here just as you claim to. But, instead, I am reporting that there is danger, but that it's isolated, and that there is simply no substantiated focus upon tourists or, specifically, upon Norte Americanos.

The violence is between gang members. The gory component to the murders is meant to send a message between gang members and the cartels. So, there is no malice demonstrated toward the average Mexicano or Gringo, uninvolved in the drug trade. There is no statistical confirmation that the kidnappings that are taking place have any kind of extortion as their focus. The kidnappings conclude in the eventual murder of rival gang members, or others within the government and/or police departments, upon those that are engaged in some way, good or bad, with respect to the drug business, and these crimes are not randomly committed against innocents.

It seems to me that you're warning that we, as Gringos, or that the innocent locals, are the regular targets of the violence occurring in Monterrey, or that the average Mexicano, uninvolved in the drug trade, are the statistical victims of the violence that's occurring. That simply is not true. My point, therefore, is that since Gringos are not the focus of the violence in Monterrey, we are no more in danger than the public at large.

There is a very small incidents of the public at large getting "caught in the cross-fire" so to speak, and those incidents, I dare say, are less frequent than in the city of Chicago. Therefore, I must honestly say that I am not fearful that when I venture out onto the streets I will fall victim to the violence directed between gang members. I don't feel that way when I go out, and I don't feel that way in the bars. Frankly, within El Infinito, which I do not frequent for more than about ten minutes at a time, I feel comparatively safe at night compared to being on the street, and otherwise potentially subject to run-of-the-mill criminal activity.

I just don't have any statistical basis upon which to substantiate your concerns.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]This is going nowhere. Monterreydude and Unspongebob are obviously never going to cop to the obvious danger here in Monterrey. Monterreydude is playing the role of hustler and Unspongebob, the wide-eyed tourist taken in by the local. You can't accept the dangers on one hand, as Unspongebob does, and then tell everyone that all is well. Enough with the deflections and head-burying. Monterrey is a damn dangerous place right now and it's at the hub of the drug war-and that's a fact that anyone without a vested interest or a gullible character would accept.

Simply put, if you want to downplay and ignore the obvious crime in Monterrey and the targeted, EXTREMELY gory nature of that crime, then do so at your own peril. I live here, watch the same newscasts and have 1st hand experience with these cartel scumbags. They will also downplay the dangers of Monterrey and exploit the tourists until the bucks start to run dry. Then, watch out! And the bucks are starting to run dry.

Like I said earlier, it's best NOT to tempt the hands of fate at this point in time. Stay away from the low-end bars. All the security they got for simple bar fights will quickly disappear when bullets start flying. The fact of the matter is that most American tourists avoid danger because they're in town for a relatively short period of time and aren't likely to be traced. Why the hell would any sane person want to deliver themselves right to where the criminals are?

Yeah, and maybe there will only be one such incident per year, but would you like to be there when it happens? Wouldn't it be better to be safely tucked away in your hotel room? Unless, of course, the cartel trash decides to invade some more hotels and pick up some more "goodies."[/QUOTE]

For someon living here, someone that has minimized the importance of the World Cup (everyone's going to be watching the Brazil-Chile game, even if Mexico is out of the Cup).... well, you are avoiding ALL of the question I made on my #2108 post.

Let me add some stuff her.
Monterrey is NOT the hub of the drug war. That would be the surrounding area near or at Miguel Alemen in direction of Reynosa.

What would be the "gory nature" of the crimes you mention?

Please, by all means tell us all about the "1st hand experience with these cartel scumbags."

Can you illustrate us with examples of the "All the security they got for simple bar fights will quickly disappear when bullets start flying."
Can you name places where "bullets start flying"???

I mean, you are an American living in Monterrey for 6 years now.




[QUOTE=Chester Boy]This is going nowhere. Monterreydude and Unspongebob are obviously never going to cop to the obvious danger here in Monterrey. Monterreydude is playing the role of hustler and Unspongebob, the wide-eyed tourist taken in by the local. You can't accept the dangers on one hand, as Unspongebob does, and then tell everyone that all is well. Enough with the deflections and head-burying. Monterrey is a damn dangerous place right now and it's at the hub of the drug war-and that's a fact that anyone without a vested interest or a gullible character would accept.

Simply put, if you want to downplay and ignore the obvious crime in Monterrey and the targeted, EXTREMELY gory nature of that crime, then do so at your own peril. I live here, watch the same newscasts and have 1st hand experience with these cartel scumbags. They will also downplay the dangers of Monterrey and exploit the tourists until the bucks start to run dry. Then, watch out! And the bucks are starting to run dry.

Like I said earlier, it's best NOT to tempt the hands of fate at this point in time. Stay away from the low-end bars. All the security they got for simple bar fights will quickly disappear when bullets start flying. The fact of the matter is that most American tourists avoid danger because they're in town for a relatively short period of time and aren't likely to be traced. Why the hell would any sane person want to deliver themselves right to where the criminals are?

Yeah, and maybe there will only be one such incident per year, but would you like to be there when it happens? Wouldn't it be better to be safely tucked away in your hotel room? Unless, of course, the cartel trash decides to invade some more hotels and pick up some more "goodies."[/QUOTE]

gory nature of crimes? try this one....

[url]http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=2f3fd7c5cc2eaf60045dea5379bf33da[/url]


ejecutan a tres y se llevan cuerpos en nuevo león

josé antonio plasencia
agencia reforma | 27-06-2010 | 22:51 | nacional

monterrey— tres ocupantes que viajaba en un auto subaru legacy fueron rafagueados por personas armadas que viajaban en una camioneta, cuyos cuerpos aparentemente sin vida fueron rerep001ados por otros sicarios ante la presencia de policías estatales.
alrededor de las 0:30 horas el c5 recibió el reporte de una balacera sobre la avenida garza sada y acapulco.
sin embargo, a unos metros del citado cruce, por la calle sierra de lampazos, en la colonia 25 de marzo, fue localizado baleado un auto de reciente modelo con placas sdp 1434.
con base en testigos, los primeros en llegar al lugar fueron elementos de la secretaría de seguridad pública del estado, quienes vieron que en el interior del auto había tres personas con múltiples heridas.
antes de que llegaran los socorristas y el grupo de reacción inmediata, al lugar llegaron personas a bordo de dos camionetas y presuntamente uno de los ocupantes lanzó una granada hacia donde se encontraban los uniformados.
aunque el artefacto explosivo no detonó, los policías corrieron y ese momento supuestamente fue aprovechado por los sicarios para sacar los cuerpos de los tres ocupantes del subaru.
esa situación fue aprovechada por los hombres armados quienes se llevaron los cuerpos

Without going into detail, I run a food distribution business here in Monterrey. As I've said in earlier posts, I just had to hire a new secretary because the old one got scared at the latest extortion attempt from cartel thugs. I am most assuredly not in the drug trade and, other than for my "hobby, " never engage in illegal activities. Most of my associates and contacts have also had some sort of extortion attempted against them. Five weeks ago, my associate's son was kidnapped and he is not in the drug trade either.

Unspongebob, the logic you display is on a par with saying, "I always run through traffic and never get run over. " Just because you haven't been run over yet, that doesn't mean that you are not in danger. My point is only to educate people that these places that are been pitched by you guys are essentially dens of vipers and should be recognized as such. If you know the risks and are ok with them, by all means go and enjoy. Plenty of fun can be had in places like El Infinito. But it's irresponsible to shout down and try to bully those who point out that there is a possible risk, much greater than buying a Fanta at the Oxxa.

I'm sure that the American patrons at the Holiday Inn felt great after what happened there. After all, the cartels weren't specifically looking for them. And I'm sure that grenade attacks at the Televisa studios and execution of law enforcement officers is not a concern since, we aren't being specifically targeted.come on, now. Let's be realistic.

As far as Monterreydude is concerned, he MUST be a wealthy local. The condescending tone in his responses tells me that. It's a weird social phenomena here, but when somebody gets a few bucks in their wallet, they suddenly begin to feel like they're superior to others. That doesn't sit well with me and, just as in my business, I refuse to acknowledge people who try to condescend.

I know what I know and everyone with half a brain can check for themselves. The issue is closed. Please continue with trip reports and mongering info or don't people do that in this thread anymore?

Look, it's irresponsible of you to accuse me of "shouting down and trying to bully" anybody. I am merely disagreeing with you. No shouting down, no bullying to it. Please don't misinterpret my comments as injurious to anyone.

I never said that Mexico doesn't have some monumental problems, it does, and so does Phoenix, Arizona. I simply do not believe that the dangers are as you represent them to be in the bars of Monterrey at this moment in time. I am sorry if you feel bullied because I disagree with you.

If your business is being extorted by gangs, then I am sincerely sorry to hear about that too. You will not find an argument from me with respect to the likelihood that such extortion is common place in Mexico. But, that's not the subject of our disagreement either.

Our disagreement isn't over the risks of operating a business in Mexico. Our disagreement is whether a random visitor can expect to be targeted in the bars. I am simply saying that you can visit the bars, stay in the hotels, be smart about it, keep a low profile, and not be in any more danger than driving your car on the freeway.

Lets look at something logically, odds of dying from heart disease 1/5, odds of dying from cancer 1/7, odds of dying from stroke 1/24, odds of dying in a car accident 1/84, odds of dying from suicide 1/118, odds of dying in a fall 1/218, odds of dying from gunshot 1/314, and last but not least, odds of dying in a pedestrian accident, a risk you say I engage in with considerable carelessness, 1/525.

The odds of dying in El Infinito can officially be quantified as 0/0 based upon the irrefutable statistics.

The risk of visiting a bar in El Centro does not even remotely approach the possibility of getting killed or injured in a car accident, an activity we all engage in on a daily basis.

And, with respect to my pedestrian habits, I am careful when crossing the street, and I don't walk into traffic blindfolded. Likewise, I don't advocate that people visit the bars blindfolded either.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Without going into detail, I run a food distribution business here in Monterrey. As I've said in earlier posts, I just had to hire a new secretary because the old one got scared at the latest extortion attempt from cartel thugs. I am most assuredly not in the drug trade and, other than for my "hobby, " never engage in illegal activities. Most of my associates and contacts have also had some sort of extortion attempted against them. Five weeks ago, my associate's son was kidnapped and he is not in the drug trade either.

Unspongebob, the logic you display is on a par with saying, "I always run through traffic and never get run over. " Just because you haven't been run over yet, that doesn't mean that you are not in danger. My point is only to educate people that these places that are been pitched by you guys are essentially dens of vipers and should be recognized as such. If you know the risks and are ok with them, by all means go and enjoy. Plenty of fun can be had in places like El Infinito. But it's irresponsible to shout down and try to bully those who point out that there is a possible risk, much greater than buying a Fanta at the Oxxa.

I'm sure that the American patrons at the Holiday Inn felt great after what happened there. After all, the cartels weren't specifically looking for them. And I'm sure that grenade attacks at the Televisa studios and execution of law enforcement officers is not a concern since, we aren't being specifically targeted.come on, now. Let's be realistic.

As far as Monterreydude is concerned, he MUST be a wealthy local. The condescending tone in his responses tells me that. It's a weird social phenomena here, but when somebody gets a few bucks in their wallet, they suddenly begin to feel like they're superior to others. That doesn't sit well with me and, just as in my business, I refuse to acknowledge people who try to condescend.

I know what I know and everyone with half a brain can check for themselves. The issue is closed. Please continue with trip reports and mongering info or don't people do that in this thread anymore?[/QUOTE]

I am increasingly surprised at just how similar Chicago and Monterrey seem to be with respect to gang violence. In less than a week, 10 people have been killed and more than 60 others have been wounded by gunfire in Chicago.

How many have been killed and wounded in Monterrey this week?

come on bbond!!
that coming from you????
your hunting ground is nuevo laredo... get it nuevo laredo!!!!!!

have i ever ever ever in the years you know me bbond, ever trashed nuevo laredo regarding violence????
i haven't cause you know exactly where to go or where to go.
and you can advise every single monger visiting nl where to go or where not to go too.

am i wrong or right???
did the violent murder of the couple that owned the sc in nl, cause they did not gave in to extortion, affect your monegering?
has the corrupt police, out right thives, of nl affected your monegering???

not at all, just like me.

come on bbond, i won't trash nl, cause i respect all of you guys over there and your hobby too and the way you deploy, enjoy and live it.



[quote=bbond]gory nature of crimes? try this one....

[url]http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=2f3fd7c5cc2eaf60045dea5379bf33da[/url]


ejecutan a tres y se llevan cuerpos en nuevo león

josé antonio plasencia
agencia reforma | 27-06-2010 | 22:51 | nacional

monterrey— tres ocupantes que viajaba en un auto subaru legacy fueron rafagueados por personas armadas que viajaban en una camioneta, cuyos cuerpos aparentemente sin vida fueron rerep001ados por otros sicarios ante la presencia de policías estatales.
alrededor de las 0:30 horas el c5 recibió el reporte de una balacera sobre la avenida garza sada y acapulco.
sin embargo, a unos metros del citado cruce, por la calle sierra de lampazos, en la colonia 25 de marzo, fue localizado baleado un auto de reciente modelo con placas sdp 1434.
con base en testigos, los primeros en llegar al lugar fueron elementos de la secretaría de seguridad pública del estado, quienes vieron que en el interior del auto había tres personas con múltiples heridas.
antes de que llegaran los socorristas y el grupo de reacción inmediata, al lugar llegaron personas a bordo de dos camionetas y presuntamente uno de los ocupantes lanzó una granada hacia donde se encontraban los uniformados.
aunque el artefacto explosivo no detonó, los policías corrieron y ese momento supuestamente fue aprovechado por los sicarios para sacar los cuerpos de los tres ocupantes del subaru.
esa situación fue aprovechada por los hombres armados quienes se llevaron los cuerpos[/quote]

Chester...
What hobby??? We have not read a single line about mongering coming from you.

ZIP. Nothing, zero.

Me, wealthy local??? Look who's talking.
And what the hell does that have to do with the subject???
We are talking mongering sir, not pesos, nor how much you are worth, nor how much am worth.

Let me point out where you make a Freudian slip: "My point is only to educate people that these places that are been pitched by you guys are essentially dens of vipers and should be recognized as such."

You know nothing about mongering AT ALL.

Chester, we are into mongering, sex, girls, SCs, MPs, not because we want an education or because we are walking into a den of vipers... it's because it's our drug.
If it were your drug too, you'd understand, but you don't.

You don't get it, you will not get it, cause you are not into it as we are.
We are the kind that would be willing to march in hell if we knew it was full of girls dancing on poles.

If you were into it, you would be recomending clubs.
But you'r not.

Get it??? clubs??? Clubs where an American can be safe, with nice girls sitting on their laps.

Well???
I think we are all waiting to hear you out.


Ps: why are you not mentioning at all, that there are some MPs here in Monterrey, that should not be visited by all the kind folks coming from the States???
I mean, they are also viper dens, controled by narcs or being extorted by narcs.
Hell, there are some as lowly as Infinito... you should be pointing them out BY NAME.
This "name" thing also aplies to SCs.
Zero names coming from you asides Infinito.





[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Without going into detail, I run a food distribution business here in Monterrey. As I've said in earlier posts, I just had to hire a new secretary because the old one got scared at the latest extortion attempt from cartel thugs. I am most assuredly not in the drug trade and, other than for my "hobby, " never engage in illegal activities. Most of my associates and contacts have also had some sort of extortion attempted against them. Five weeks ago, my associate's son was kidnapped and he is not in the drug trade either.

Unspongebob, the logic you display is on a par with saying, "I always run through traffic and never get run over. " Just because you haven't been run over yet, that doesn't mean that you are not in danger. My point is only to educate people that these places that are been pitched by you guys are essentially dens of vipers and should be recognized as such. If you know the risks and are ok with them, by all means go and enjoy. Plenty of fun can be had in places like El Infinito. But it's irresponsible to shout down and try to bully those who point out that there is a possible risk, much greater than buying a Fanta at the Oxxa.

I'm sure that the American patrons at the Holiday Inn felt great after what happened there. After all, the cartels weren't specifically looking for them. And I'm sure that grenade attacks at the Televisa studios and execution of law enforcement officers is not a concern since, we aren't being specifically targeted.come on, now. Let's be realistic.

As far as Monterreydude is concerned, he MUST be a wealthy local. The condescending tone in his responses tells me that. It's a weird social phenomena here, but when somebody gets a few bucks in their wallet, they suddenly begin to feel like they're superior to others. That doesn't sit well with me and, just as in my business, I refuse to acknowledge people who try to condescend.

I know what I know and everyone with half a brain can check for themselves. The issue is closed. Please continue with trip reports and mongering info or don't people do that in this thread anymore?[/QUOTE]

I always become somewhat suspicious when I see a newly created screen name, with no former posts about mongering whatsoever, posting about the dangers of mongering, and attempting to discredit those that have a track record of experience in the venue, and calling into question their commentary about what they believe is going on in the venue.

I've been down this road before, and it gets old. But, they're schtick is so predictable...If nothing else, they are consistent. But, after a number of years dealing with these types, they're pretty easy to recognize early on.

First, they start with the accusations that the experienced are somehow engaged in promoting certain businesses or venues for personal gain, accusing the experienced posters that they somehow have a piece of the action. Then, they start in with the bullying accusations. Then the personal insults start, and the comments concerning their dislike for certain online personalities. And, along the way their real agenda emerges, using "danger" as a way to discourage mongering all together. It suggests that there's another agenda in the mix than to be acting as a benevolent savior of the poor defenseless monger who might want to attend El Infinito or any of the other bars, much less come to Monterrey to visit an MP or find an escort.

Usually, a newly created screen name is inquisitive about where to go, asking questions, etc...Or, if they are already experienced in the venue, they make commentary with substantive information that reveals that they truly are experienced practicing mongers. They do not just start making statements from a pool of previously written information they find on the internet, the State Department Website, and/or from newspaper and television accounts.

And then, when the ones having the experience on the ground disagree with their points of view, mostly because the content of their comments indicate inconsistencies to the experienced, or their comments contain no substantive commentary upon which to judge the level of their credibility as being legitimately made through their own direct experience, then they're always quick to charge that they are being bullied.

A generalized call to arms, that all should avoid the strip clubs in Monterrey, is ridiculous on it's face. Case in point...check out the website "CH," read the accounts of the dangers in Rio concerning the violent crime there. Those mongers are legit, sighting specifics, but never once advocating that anyone stay home or hide in their hotel rooms. A true monger would simply never, ever advocate doing that. They would offer advise on how to safely engage in the hobby, not cut and run from it.

In other forums, the true mongers don't wave people off of coming to their venue of choice, regardless of the dangers. And, the reality is, the dangers in Monterrey are simply not as they are being represented by these posters.

For example, with respect to Rio, a place where the dangers truly do exist, they offer advise on how to come and enjoy the hobby in spite of the dangers. They offer advise on ways to negotiate the crime ridden neighborhoods, which are apparently right in the heart of Mongerland.

Frankly, even with the mongers advocating their venue of choice, Rio makes Monterrey appear to be the Land of Oz in comparison. The mongers are straight-up about that, but they promote their beloved venue of choice. They don't tear it down. They offer advise on how to enjoy the venue and minimize the dangers. And, again, the dangers of Monterrey do not compare in any way to a place like Rio. Had I personally experienced any dangers, I would reveal them, and offer advise on how to enjoy the hobby and still stay safe. The problem is, I haven't had any issues, not in ten years of walking the streets in El Centro, not in the bars, nothing...I would gladly give it up had anything occurred that remotely suggested that I should offer advise with respect to the "dangers." Simply put, there is no advise to give. With respect to the petty larceny perpetrated by the waiters, I have offered those experiences in the past, and offered advise on how to avoid being taken. But, with respect to real danger, there have been no incidents on which to base any advise. Sure, keep your eyes open, stay off the streets at night if you want to be a little safer, use cabs...all common sense stuff, but nothing that speaks to any escalated level of danger that I can discern. And, I am arguably the second most experienced regular poster of strip club experience next to Monterreydude on this forum. Had I experienced problems, or even a hint of a problem in the bars, I would gladly reveal it. But, everything has been on a petty larceny level, nothing serious...that's it!

I am all for getting back to posting about mongering too. But, so far, the focus has been on telling mongers to stay away, just the opposite kind of recommendations that are typical of any legitimate practicing monger.

Then, when we call that little quirk to the attention of the readers that might be assessing everyone's credibility, especially for would-be mongers making judgments on whether to come to Monterrey or not, then we are accused of bullying those that are "crying wolf." And, they are CRYING WOLF!

You, the reader, be the judge. Monterreydude is right. Mongering is a drug, and any legitimate monger would walk practically through Fire, Brimstone, and Hell to practice the hobby, period. They certainly wouldn't advocate sitting in their hotel room, or that you stay home wacking off in favor of your blessed security, especially when your level of added risk is totally unfounded by the statistics. And, if they do, you will know right away that they are NOT MONGERS.

Simply put, the dangers are not as they are being represented here by these posters in the strip clubs, not statistically, and not practically. The single focus has been to warn everyone of the dangers in the "Strip Clubs," initially. Then, it escalated to recommending you hide in your hotel room, that you will be unable to get a cab, that you will be the victim of extortion, etc...They've offered not one direct experience or substantive fact so that anyone can substantiate their legitimacy of experience in Monterrey strip clubs with respect to any of these issues, or even whether they are actually even in Monterrey, period. If that is bullying, so be it.

Bottom Line, the dangers are simply not to the level of danger that is being represented by these recent posters, period. They can not substantiate their claims with any substantive examples of incidents occurring within the strip clubs that would suggest it is any more dangerous today than it was five years ago. They offer you only conjecture, fear, and trepidation, and nothing more to substantiate their claims.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Chester...
What hobby??? We have not read a single line about mongering coming from you.

ZIP. Nothing, zero.

Me, wealthy local??? Look who's talking.
And what the hell does that have to do with the subject???
We are talking mongering sir, not pesos, nor how much you are worth, nor how much am worth.

Let me point out where you make a Freudian slip: "My point is only to educate people that these places that are been pitched by you guys are essentially dens of vipers and should be recognized as such."

You know nothing about mongering AT ALL.

Chester, we are into mongering, sex, girls, SCs, MPs, not because we want an education or because we are walking into a den of vipers... it's because it's our drug.
If it were your drug too, you'd understand, but you don't.

You don't get it, you will not get it, cause you are not into it as we are.
We are the kind that would be willing to march in hell if we knew it was full of girls dancing on poles.

If you were into it, you would be recomending clubs.
But you'r not.

Get it??? clubs??? Clubs where an American can be safe, with nice girls sitting on their laps.

Well???
I think we are all waiting to hear you out.


Ps: why are you not mentioning at all, that there are some MPs here in Monterrey, that should not be visited by all the kind folks coming from the States???
I mean, they are also viper dens, controled by narcs or being extorted by narcs.
Hell, there are some as lowly as Infinito... you should be pointing them out BY NAME.
This "name" thing also aplies to SCs.
Zero names coming from you asides Infinito.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]For example, with respect to Rio, a place where the dangers truly do exist, they offer advise on how to come and enjoy the hobby in spite of the dangers. They offer advise on ways to negotiate the crime ridden neighborhoods, which are apparently right in the heart of Mongerland.

Frankly, even with the mongers advocating their venue of choice, Rio makes Monterrey appear to be the Land of Oz in comparison. The mongers are straight-up about that, but they promote their beloved venue of choice. They don't tear it down. They offer advise on how to enjoy the venue and minimize the dangers.[/QUOTE]Please read my first post where I did exactly what you're pointing out. I pointed out my safety strategy for those coming to Monterrey. Just because my strategy doesn't involve sending everyone to El Infinito, I was shouted down. I never even said that the shooting story was true. I just said that people should be free to post what they hear so that the information is out there. Then, after it's out there it can be debunked if need be. I'd rather have too much info than too little. Obviously, this sort of free exchange of ideas is not to your liking.

The routine is boring now. Monterreydude shouts people down. "You know NOTHING! " "You're not a REAL monger! " Then, Unspongebob, emboldened by his master's rant, comes in with the follow up, "I'm always suspicious of people with a low post count, " as if discovering the ISG later than you guys makes me any less reliable or knowledgeable. And, then, of course, there's the requisite conspiracy theory that I'm out to get El Infinito.

As for Monterreydude's responses, I refuse to acknowledge him until he can learn to be a man and speak in a non-condescending tone. I have no time for children and I will not cower at his self-importance like a servant or scared housewife.

Yes, going to low-end MPs puts you at the same risk as going to low-end strip clubs. The difference is that you will be at the MP a relatively short period of time and have contact with much fewer people than a strip club where every chica has a cozy relationship with at least a handful of cartel scumbags.

And the Chicago/Monterrey comparison is a laughable deflection. The brash, gory nature of the crimes in Monterrey is a lot more alarming than street gang violence in drug-infested neighborhoods on the South and West sides of Chicago. It's almost like comparing street gangs to an organized guerrilla movement.

Show me one instance of street gangs blocking off city streets, storming tourist-heavy hotels in broad daylight, attacking prisons, assassinating entire groups of law enforcement officials, or launching attacks on media communications and I will gladly concede that I'm wrong.

Frankly, you guys should be thanking me for bringing some life back to this thread which has been alarmingly inactive for one of Mexico's biggest mongering destinations. Maybe it's because all those with opposing viewpoints are instantly shouted down and belittled. Or maybe it's because those with less than a few thousand posts are seen to be invaders.

Whatever the case, I'd love for there to be some mongering reports on this thread from the two "experts. " Instead, I only see bullying, cheerleading for Infinito and offers of help that require the reader having to meet with Monterreydude face to face where he will be, assuredly, marched into El Infinito.

When it comes to mongering, it's all personal taste. I'd rather go to a high-end MP, pay a flat fee for a real beauty and take care of business in a nice, clean room than walk into a dark club and rub elbows with cartel thugs and enforcers while being gouged for every cent I have. (I dare not mention any specifics because I will be accused of being an owner of a high end MP, LOL).

Chester boy has 7 posts and now he writes like he's been with us for decades.

Chester, I have a felling you are that dark figure called Cuñado from the the LONL forum.


Anyway, please read this article, sanctioned by the NRA, not me and pointed out by USB:

[url]http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=13958[/url]

There is a paragraph that quotes Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist.
“Ironically, while crime in Chicago runs rampant and lawmakers there call on the National Guard for help, Mayor Daley has insisted on leaving the residents of his city defenseless"

The National Guard within an American city to help curb crime???? WOW!!!
That means police is useless.
Sorry CB to point out that Chicago and many other cities in the US are 15 minutes away from becoming Monterrey.

CB says: "storming tourist-heavy hotels in broad daylight.... and I will gladly concede that I'm wrong."

MD answers: You know CB, after reading this... everyone at this forum knows you are plain wrong now.

CB says: " Instead, I only see bullying, cheerleading for Infinito and offers of help that require the reader having to meet with Monterreydude face to face where he will be, assuredly, marched into El Infinito."

MD answers: You can also find me at Prestige, Obsession, Amnesia, Pasarelas, Casino, Harem and Bahamas. Places where I take mongers to.

CB says: "that require the reader having to meet with Monterreydude face to face "

MD answers: one of the points you have spent a lot of time emphasizing is that me and USB are "anonymous". Non corporeal enteties. You just contradicted yourself. When we meet mongers, we become flesh and blood human beings. Again, you just don't know what you are posting.

CB says: "It's almost like comparing street gangs to an organized guerrilla movement."

MD answers: After reading this, am begining to believe you are not an American at all. I don't think you have an idea of what an American street gang is at all.

CB says: "When it comes to mongering, it's all personal taste. I'd rather go to a high-end MP, pay a flat fee for a real beauty and take care of business in a nice, clean room than walk into a dark club and rub elbows with cartel thugs and enforcers while being gouged for every cent I have."

MD answers: You say you have lived in Monterrey for the past 6 years and you don't know that the high end MPs are controled and/or extorted by the narc cells??? Boy, you really are gullible.

CB: "I dare not mention any specifics because I will be accused of being an owner of a high end MP, LOL".

MD answers: LOL, my butt. Now you read like Precocious. Why not mention specifics??? Please Mr Monterrey Hi End Monger. Why no specifics??????
You see and I quote, that "LOL" is you laughing at all the mongers signaling that you get the expensive girls, your own private stock while the rest of the cheapskates visiting Monterrey, get the ugly girls that Monterreydude points out to them in person at Infinito.

CB says: "As for Monterreydude's responses, I refuse to acknowledge him until he can learn to be a man and speak in a non-condescending tone. I have no time for children and I will not cower at his self-importance like a servant or scared housewife."

MD answers: Good, don't waste virtual space on me.





[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Please read my first post where I did exactly what you're pointing out. I pointed out my safety strategy for those coming to Monterrey. Just because my strategy doesn't involve sending everyone to El Infinito, I was shouted down. I never even said that the shooting story was true. I just said that people should be free to post what they hear so that the information is out there. Then, after it's out there it can be debunked if need be. I'd rather have too much info than too little. Obviously, this sort of free exchange of ideas is not to your liking.

The routine is boring now. Monterreydude shouts people down. "You know NOTHING! " "You're not a REAL monger! " Then, Unspongebob, emboldened by his master's rant, comes in with the follow up, "I'm always suspicious of people with a low post count, " as if discovering the ISG later than you guys makes me any less reliable or knowledgeable. And, then, of course, there's the requisite conspiracy theory that I'm out to get El Infinito.

As for Monterreydude's responses, I refuse to acknowledge him until he can learn to be a man and speak in a non-condescending tone. I have no time for children and I will not cower at his self-importance like a servant or scared housewife.

Yes, going to low-end MPs puts you at the same risk as going to low-end strip clubs. The difference is that you will be at the MP a relatively short period of time and have contact with much fewer people than a strip club where every chica has a cozy relationship with at least a handful of cartel scumbags.

And the Chicago/Monterrey comparison is a laughable deflection. The brash, gory nature of the crimes in Monterrey is a lot more alarming than street gang violence in drug-infested neighborhoods on the South and West sides of Chicago. It's almost like comparing street gangs to an organized guerrilla movement.

Show me one instance of street gangs blocking off city streets, storming tourist-heavy hotels in broad daylight, attacking prisons, assassinating entire groups of law enforcement officials, or launching attacks on media communications and I will gladly concede that I'm wrong.

Frankly, you guys should be thanking me for bringing some life back to this thread which has been alarmingly inactive for one of Mexico's biggest mongering destinations. Maybe it's because all those with opposing viewpoints are instantly shouted down and belittled. Or maybe it's because those with less than a few thousand posts are seen to be invaders.

Whatever the case, I'd love for there to be some mongering reports on this thread from the two "experts. " Instead, I only see bullying, cheerleading for Infinito and offers of help that require the reader having to meet with Monterreydude face to face where he will be, assuredly, marched into El Infinito.

When it comes to mongering, it's all personal taste. I'd rather go to a high-end MP, pay a flat fee for a real beauty and take care of business in a nice, clean room than walk into a dark club and rub elbows with cartel thugs and enforcers while being gouged for every cent I have. (I dare not mention any specifics because I will be accused of being an owner of a high end MP, LOL).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]
The odds of dying in El Infinito can officially be quantified as 0/0 based upon the irrefutable statistics.
[/QUOTE]


Oh that can't be true, the last time I was there a certain girl would bend over on stage I got heart palpitations and all sweaty. Another girl, who I was trying for a salida with, quoted me prices that just killed me. So i think it can be very dangerous.

Doubt is totally right.

People HAVE died, not at Infinito, but at Matehuala.
A customer had a heart attack while dealing with a girl at one of the privados.

Also, club girls are dangerous too.
My old GF from Prestige, Yamileth, her customer had a heart attack while both bathing in a Jacuzzi at a short term love motel.

Does that count as "dangers"????



[QUOTE=Doubt98]Oh that can't be true, the last time I was there a certain girl would bend over on stage I got heart palpitations and all sweaty. Another girl, who I was trying for a salida with, quoted me prices that just killed me. So i think it can be very dangerous.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I am increasingly surprised at just how similar Chicago and Monterrey seem to be with respect to gang violence. In less than a week, 10 people have been killed and more than 60 others have been wounded by gunfire in Chicago.

How many have been killed and wounded in Monterrey this week?[/QUOTE]20? or more.

2 o3 soldiers on their day off were killed at a strip club on Villagran Street, Givenchy i think, the security guads were the ones that called the people that killed them

I agree with Chester Boy, DONT go to those clubs, to that area, right bow life changed in Monterrey and this people fucked their own business with all this violence

Even call girls are not to be trusted lately,m you never know, but life changed, act appropiate to the new times and take precautions, like not going there anymore

No, those heart palpitations fall in the other categories that I listed, ie: falls in the home, auto accidents, etc... :-))) Any deaths resulting from those kinds of conditions are from natural causes.


[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Doubt is totally right.

People HAVE died, not at Infinito, but at Matehuala.
A customer had a heart attack while dealing with a girl at one of the privados.

Also, club girls are dangerous too.
My old GF from Prestige, Yamileth, her customer had a heart attack while both bathing in a Jacuzzi at a short term love motel.

Does that count as "dangers"????[/QUOTE]

Another plant.... :-) you guys never give up!

[QUOTE=Familysex]2 o3 soldiers on their day off were killed at a strip club on Villagran Street, Givenchy i think, the security guads were the ones that called the people that killed them

I agree with Chester Boy, DONT go to those clubs, to that area, right bow life changed in Monterrey and this people fucked their own business with all this violence

Even call girls are not to be trusted lately,m you never know, but life changed, act appropiate to the new times and take precautions, like not going there anymore[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude].......Chester, I have a felling you are that dark figure called Cuñado from the the LONL forum.[/QUOTE]No not him.

Cuñado1259 was murdered in Mendoza Argentina on June 12, 2010.

Damn... sorry about that.
One thing is to quarrel in virtual way, another to go meet the maker in a violent way.


[QUOTE=Toold28]No not him.

Cuñado1259 was murdered in Mendoza Argentina on June 12, 2010.[/QUOTE]

Not only that.
He's a bringer of OLD news.

I posted that info, the Givenchy tragedy on Oct-16-2008.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Another plant.... :-) you guys never give up![/QUOTE]

By the way guys, speaking of wet news.... we are drowning over here in Monterrey.

Hurricane Alex struck Monterrey hard, dumping more water than Gilbert in 1988.

check the live news feed at 6-7 pm (dunno when the news will start today)

All you mongers that have come to Monterrey have seen the Rio Santa Catarina dry river bed???
The one that cuts Montrrey in half???
Key word: dry.

Check the videos and see how it was today.

[url]http://www.multimedios.tv/envivo[/url]


[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Not only that.
He's a bringer of OLD news.

I posted that info, the Givenchy tragedy on Oct-16-2008.[/QUOTE]

What are you afraid of...haven't you seen a little bit of water in the river before? :-)))

The Hurricane will not only dump a lot of water on us, it is also likely to also coat us in Texas Tea, in this case (Gulf of) Mexico Mud.

These guys were trying to warn us of the EXTREME dangers of mongering at El Infinito, right.

Well guys, mother nature has intervened on your behalf. I am convinced and will immediately evacuate the city.

I don't know about you Monterreydude, but we all better get out right now, before we are not only drowned with the river overflowing and all. But, the greater risk, IMHO, is that we are likely to be coated in oil, unable to breath, and die of asphyxiation.

Infinito girls coated in oil? Uhmmmm, interesting thought... :-))) Is it worth the risk...Hell Yeahhhhhhh!!!!!! :-)))

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]By the way guys, speaking of wet news.... we are drowning over here in Monterrey.

Hurricane Alex struck Monterrey hard, dumping more water than Gilbert in 1988.

check the live news feed at 6-7 pm (dunno when the news will start today)

All you mongers that have come to Monterrey have seen the Rio Santa Catarina dry river bed???
The one that cuts Montrrey in half???
Key word: dry.

Check the videos and see how it was today.

[url]http://www.multimedios.tv/envivo[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Frankly, you guys should be thanking me for bringing some life back to this thread which has been alarmingly inactive for one of Mexico's biggest mongering destinations.[/QUOTE]

I have to admit it has been a hooot!!!

Well, in your own words, you're only interested in reading reports about the escort services anyway, right? So, I can see that trashing the clubs has it's benefits for those of you that only want to read about the escorts and the MPs.

For some reason, some people that are only exclusively interested in and advocate the escort businesses and the MPs...well, they go off their meds sometimes, and they have a spastic reaction to anyone that posts anything about the clubs. It's like "Moe, Larry, and Cheese," or "Wild Hyacinth." (For you loyal Three Stooges enthusiasts).

Of course, you realize that by scaring all potential mongers away from Monterrey, you're not likely to read about anything here, not for a very long, long time, right?

I mean, not only do we have the crappy economy in the USA keeping the mongers away from Monterrey, or even traveling anywhere for that matter, but, now we have you to thank, hyping the dangers, scaring them all to death. Hell, it will be years before they return.

Frankly, I like it...more girls for me. They love Gringos here, and I am having an absolute ball. The girls are just pawing me like you would not believe!!!

Certainly, much of what you sited is correct with respect to what is going on here in the generalized sense. And, of course, I have never disputed what's been going on with respect to the drug violence...Just that it hasn't been a problem in the clubs, and that life goes on.

So, maybe you should advocate that no mongers should come to Monterrey, that they should lock themselves in their rooms if they're forced to be here, and never venture outside for fear that they'll be killed. Just like the Middle East, right? You should be warning against even being in Mexico period.

Don't go to El Oxxo, don't drive your car on the highway, don't go to the bank, don't go to Soriana, don't step outside your casa...it's just too dangerous!

And, of all things, do not call an escort. She is part of the conspiracy. They're all desperate and they'll cut your balls off for the $5 you have in your pocket, right? Or, if you walk into the MP, they are likely to kidnap you for the all of 200 pesos you intend on spending to get your rocks off.

A little water???
As of 7 pm central time the Santa Catarina river has overflown into both avenues on the sides of the river.

[url]http://www.multimedios.tv/envivo[/url]

See video... ugly stuff.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]What are you afraid of...haven't you seen a little bit of water in the river before? :-)))

The Hurricane will not only dump a lot of water on us, it is also likely to also coat us in Texas Tea, in this case (Gulf of) Mexico Mud.

These guys were trying to warn us of the EXTREME dangers of mongering at El Infinito, right.

Well guys, mother nature has intervened on your behalf. I am convinced and will immediately evacuate the city.

I don't know about you Monterreydude, but we all better get out right now, before we are not only drowned with the river overflowing and all. But, the greater risk, IMHO, is that we are likely to be coated in oil, unable to breath, and die of asphyxiation.

Infinito girls coated in oil? Uhmmmm, interesting thought... :-))) Is it worth the risk...Hell Yeahhhhhhh!!!!!! :-)))[/QUOTE]

Listen, I'm not afraid. I'm giving skiing lessons down at the tunnel entrance right now.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]A little water???
As of 7 pm central time the Santa Catarina river has overflown into both avenues on the sides of the river.

[url]http://www.multimedios.tv/envivo[/url]

See video... ugly stuff.[/QUOTE]

Since you know, or knew, as it were, this Cunado dude, you are obviously not an American. And, because your "n" is of the Mexican keyboard, you are obviously a plant as well. Are you all "plants," or are you all one in the same plant? Just Curious...you all have such few posts, and all of you coming out of the wood work at the same time is kind of suspicious, verdad?

I kinda like you guys though...You guys don't fool me. You're about as afraid of Mexico as Emilio Zappata. Maybe we should meet at El Infinito so we can further a friendly debate, and so we'll be under the protection of the cartels so we'll be able to party safely. :-)

[QUOTE=Toold28]No not him.

Cuñado1259 was murdered in Mendoza Argentina on June 12, 2010.[/QUOTE]

USB, I might have my differences with Toold, but he's a respected veteran monger.
I can vouch for him, even if he hates my guts and my DNA.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Since you know, or knew, as it were, this Cunado dude, you are obviously not an American. And, because your "n" is of the Mexican keyboard, you are obviously a plant as well. Are you all "plants," or are you all one in the same plant? Just Curious...you all have such few posts, and all of you coming out of the wood work at the same time is kind of suspicious, verdad?

I kinda like you guys though...You guys don't fool me. You're about as afraid of Mexico as Emilio Zappata. Maybe we should meet at El Infinito so we can further a friendly debate, and so we'll be under the protection of the cartels so we'll be able to party safely. :-)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]USB, I might have my differences with Toold, but he's a respected veteran monger.
I can vouch for him.[/QUOTE]

I also know and respect Toold.

And everyone has a ñ on their keyboard, if it has a numeric keypad, whether they know it or not. Just hold the "alt" key and type 164 for ñ or "alt" 165 for Ñ, no Mexican keyboard needed.

[QUOTE=Bbond]I also know and respect Toold.

And everyone has a ñ on their keyboard, if it has a numeric keypad, whether they know it or not. Just hold the "alt" key and type 164 for ñ or "alt" 165 for Ñ, no Mexican keyboard needed.[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks for that...I didn't realize that about the keyboard. Let me try it...I'll type something right here: ñññ ÑÑÑ...Very cool...I wish I had that feature on my cell phone for texts. Of course, I have the "ñ" available, but I would like to easily transition between them on my cell.

Well, with respect to Toold, and all the rest of these questionable screen names, all or most of them from the NL forum I assume...

Ok, so now we know that all these guys that have been commenting on here that have only 2 to 6 posts are experienced, respected mongers, probably from the NL forum, and that their mongering venue is Nuevo Laredo. That explains why when they comment, they do so from a generalized perspective with little or no direct knowledge. They do not know Monterrey, and they are not able to specifically comment about it with specifics...nor should they.

What I really don't get is why the Chicken Little routine with respect to the dangers in Monterrey? If they are all from the NL forum, they know in their hearts that we are legitimate experts on the Monterrey venue, just as I accept your word that they are experience and credible experts in their own venue, and I do.

If we say that the clubs do not exhibit the danger level that they've been saying, because, after all, we are here and experiencing it everyday, then why the BS? I never said things could not escalate, only that things are not as bad as they are portraying them to be in the clubs.

Are the NL mongers giving up their hobby? I doubt it! Because, if we are all honest, we know that it's even more dangerous per capita on the border than it is to be lost in the vast populations of humanity in Monterrey. I can get so lost in Monterrey, so obscure, that the dangers are virtually non-existent. The Monterrey scene is so spread out that you can get totally and completely lost in Monterrey, fading so far into the back ground that you are totally off the radar. That is not the case with respect to the NL scene.

It's become quite apparent now that there's been another agenda all along, and not any particular desire to protect the unsuspecting visitor that might be in Monterrey or considering coming to Monterrey. It's apparent that a taunting of long standing rivals has been the agenda all along, just as I suspected from the beginning.

The dangers just don't rise to such a level here that I am ready to stop going to the clubs. If that is the case in NL, then I would accept their word for it. I would suspect that were I to come over to the NL forum with the intention of stirring things up, the members of the NL forum would be just as defensive as those of us that live in this venue have been concerning the level of rhetoric about the club scene, we knowing that it's just not true.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Hey thanks for that...I didn't realize that about the keyboard. Let me try it...I'll type something right here: ñññ ÑÑÑ...Very cool...I wish I had that feature on my cell phone for texts. Of course, I have the "ñ" available, but I would like to easily transition between them on my cell.

Well, with respect to Toold, and all the rest of these questionable screen names, all or most of them from the NL forum I assume.

Ok, so now we know that all these guys that have been commenting on here that have only 2 to 6 posts are experienced, respected mongers, probably from the NL forum, and that their mongering venue is Nuevo Laredo. That explains why when they comment, they do so from a generalized perspective with little or no direct knowledge. They do not know Monterrey, and they are not able to specifically comment about it with specifics.
[/QUOTE]

I cannot speak of or for Familysex or ChesterBoy as I have no idea as to who they may be or where they hail from, but Toold has been around quite some time on other forums and has many many years experience in NL. I have lived in NL for just over 2 years.

Giving away my age, my 1st Mexico monger trip was 1968, to Juarez.

I have only been to Monterrey 6 times and have met Amigomio. I make no comments to the monger scene as I have very limited Monterrey experience.

However, in the total of time I have been in NL, both as a visitor and a resident, I have never heard a gunshot, none. Not to say they don't happen because they do.

In my limited Monterrey visits I have heard gunshots. A car was cut off on Carretera Nacional en El Uro, about 50 feet from where I was standing, driver was shot multiple times. Police were collecting 7.62 x 39 (AK-47) shell casings from the street. People at he job site where I was said it is a daily thing. I do not believe it is as bad as Juarez is right now (303 know dead in June, 1,389 for the 1st 6 months of this year), but, my belief is that Monterrey is a lot more dangerous than NL, at the moment.

And for accented letters, see [url]http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc-a.html[/url] or [url]http://usefulshortcuts.com/downloads./ALT-Codes.pdf[/url]

Well, one can not argue with isolated incidents. I have never heard a gun shot go off here, and I am very familiar with what gun shots sound like. Perhaps I am just good at being in the right places at the right times.

Certainly, there is no disputing that the drug cartels are making a mess of Mexico and the US.

I am criticized for comparing Monterrey to Chicago, or Phoenix, Arizona, for example...but, the environment is similar in the sense that there is relative safety in some areas, and danger in others. The city is so vast, and the absolute huge numbers of people allow you to be relatively lost in a virtual sea of humanity, so much so that I do not feel particularly more vulnerable than during previous times.

That doesn't mean the dangers haven't escalated because they have, statistically. But, statistically, the chances of you actually falling victim based on the percentages is still quite low. And, based on my time in the clubs here, I can honestly say that I feel no more vulnerable than before. I do watch more carefully on the streets, and I am using cabs more between destinations, just slightly more. I still walk between the bars at night, but it's not usually as much as I may have done so several years ago. So, I have altered my patterns a bit.

But, I wouldn't go so far as to be overly sensitive to attending the bar scene based on the what I routinely see there. It could change tomorrow, but for now, it's just not that much different than I've seen it for many years.

[QUOTE=Bbond]I cannot speak of or for Familysex or ChesterBoy as I have no idea as to who they may be or where they hail from, but Toold has been around quite some time on other forums and has many many years experience in NL. I have lived in NL for just over 2 years.

Giving away my age, my 1st Mexico monger trip was 1968, to Juarez.

I have only been to Monterrey 6 times and have met Amigomio. I make no comments to the monger scene as I have very limited Monterrey experience.

However, in the total of time I have been in NL, both as a visitor and a resident, I have never heard a gunshot, none. Not to say they don't happen because they do.

In my limited Monterrey visits I have heard gunshots. A car was cut off on Carretera Nacional en El Uro, about 50 feet from where I was standing, driver was shot multiple times. Police were collecting 7.62 x 39 (AK-47) shell casings from the street. People at he job site where I was said it is a daily thing. I do not believe it is as bad as Juarez is right now (303 know dead in June, 1,389 for the 1st 6 months of this year), but, my belief is that Monterrey is a lot more dangerous than NL, at the moment.

And for accented letters, see [url]http://usefulshortcuts.com/downloads/ALT-Codes.pdf[/url].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]

I am criticized for comparing Monterrey to Chicago, or Phoenix, Arizona, for example...but, the environment is similar in the sense that there is relative safety in some areas, and danger in others. The city is so vast, and the absolute huge numbers of people allow you to be relatively lost in a virtual sea of humanity, so much so that I do not feel particularly more vulnerable than during previous times.

[/QUOTE]

According to [url]http://spotcrime.com/il/chicago[/url], 32 shootings were reported in Chicago in the span of 6/22/2010 thru 6/30/2010.

I agree that being in the wrong place at the wrong time can happen anywhere.
However I believe most shootings in US cities are done with handguns, in Mexico they prefer rapid fire, more potent, long guns where bullets tend to be more widely assimilated.
In the US they seldom, if ever, open fire on an armed police or military convoy, it's commonplace in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Bbond]I also know and respect Toold.

And everyone has a ñ on their keyboard, if it has a numeric keypad, whether they know it or not. Just hold the "alt" key and type 164 for ñ or "alt" 165 for Ñ, no Mexican keyboard needed.[/QUOTE]

Everybody has a numeric keypad whether they know it or not. Even on a laptop with no separate numeric keypad, pressing Num Lock will turn a portion of the keyboard into the numeric keypad. Look for the small little numbers on the keys and the raised bar on the 5.

So you can also get accented characters this way: á is Alt 160 and I forget what else. These are called ASCII codes and you can look 'em up.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Everybody has a numeric keypad whether they know it or not. Even on a laptop with no separate numeric keypad, pressing Num Lock will turn a portion of the keyboard into the numeric keypad. Look for the small little numbers on the keys and the raised bar on the 5.

So you can also get accented characters this way: á is Alt 160 and I forget what else. These are called ASCII codes and you can look 'em up.[/QUOTE]

From [url]http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html[/url]

§To obtain an ALT Character:

1. Make certain that the Num Lock key has been pressed to activate the numeric key section of the keyboard.
2. Depress the Alt key.
3. While the Alt key is depressed, type the proper sequence of numbers (on the numeric keypad) of the ALT code from the table above.
4. Release the Alt key, and the character will appear.
5. On a laptop computer, there usually is no numeric keypad. So, instead, depress the Fn (function) key, then the Alt key, then the numerical code sequence. The numbers are on the fronts of certain keyboard keys: M=0, J=1, K=2, L=3, U=4, I=5, O=6, 7=7, 8=8, and 9=9.

Well that's my 2¢ on that subject ☻.

Well in a way, when people die, a shooting IS a shooting.
And assault weapons ARE used. Not as openly as in Mexico, but gangs use them as the narcs used them here and in the same violent way.
It's just that sometimes the media conveniently forgets to mention that cause they don't want to get in trouble with the NRA.

But it is a fact that assault weopons are used. Simply put they are not as visible or used in an open way as in Mexico.

Example:

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/23/BALR1E3LHO.DTL[/url]

This is The International Association of Chiefs of Police

[url]http://cbs4.com/topstories/police.assault.weapons.2.405598.html[/url]

This is the NRA thru one of their subsidiaries (1997 op/ed).

[url]http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/Are_Assault_Weapons_a_Threat_to_Police.htm[/url]

This is the opposing point of view

[url]http://mediamatters.org/research/200506300004[/url]


Media examples of shootings using assault weopens are all over the virtual map.
You can Google it up.


PS: Before my virtual and anonymous friend USB intervenes, I like to point out that I agree with him to the fact that weapons used by felons are not in their hands via a legal way.







[QUOTE=Bbond]According to [url]http://spotcrime.com/il/chicago[/url], 32 shootings were reported in Chicago in the span of 6/22/2010 thru 6/30/2010.

I agree that being in the wrong place at the wrong time can happen anywhere.
However I believe most shootings in US cities are done with handguns, in Mexico they prefer rapid fire, more potent, long guns where bullets tend to be more widely assimilated.
In the US they seldom, if ever, open fire on an armed police or military convoy, it's commonplace in Mexico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]USB, I might have my differences with Toold, but he's a respected veteran monger.

I can vouch for him, even if he hates my guts and my DNA.[/QUOTE]No Monterreydude, I do not hate you. I cheated death with 2 strokes in 3 months a few years back, I no longer know hatred. We may have had our differences but I certainly do not hate you. In fact I put you in the top 8 of the most respected members of the 2 forums I check daily. One day I will make it back to Monterrey and you can show me your Monterrey not what has been shown to me.

Someone else said that I must not be American. Well I was born and lived all my life in Texas.

Cuñado1259 was my brother-in-law. Monterrey is a wonderful city. Almost all of my trips to Monterrey were with or to meet with Cuñado1259. If any of you ever read any post of his, you would know that he could be hard to get along with. To him, money was the answer to everything. So my latest trips there were not always enjoyable. Under different circumstances I could probably enjoy myself. I have not looked for ladies nor even been to a club in Monterrey since 1984. Since then all of the ladies I have met or been with in Monterrey were brought to me by Cuñado1259.

I do read the posts here daily but have nothing pertinant that I could contribute, so I continue to lurk.

Like Bbond I made my first trips to Mexico to the border towns in 1968 and continue to do so. I prefer Nuevo Laredo to all cities I have visited over the years. Nothing really special, just my personal get away spot.

The anti-gun activists have their agenda, to represent some guns that have virtually the same outward appearance as Military Weapons, to pass them off as a dangerous category of firearm by calling them "Assault Weapons."

The agenda of the anti-gun movement is to pass off these rifles as essentially the same as fully automatic weapons, when in reality they have virtually the same mechanisms as a hunting rifle, are not automatic weapons, and would be no more effective bullistically than a deer rifle.

The distinction is usually the capacity of the magazine, and not whether they look bad-assed or not. Looks is all that the anti-gun movement focuses on in order to hype their cause to the unsuspecting and uneducated public.

Fully Automatic Weapons are the problem, regardless of their appearance. Fully Automatic Weapons are illegal in the USA unless licensed by ATF. You must have a thorough back ground investigation by the Feds, and you must pay a heavy licensing fee to even own one. Believe me, the fully Automatic Rifles are not coming from law abiding citizens or gun dealers licensed to legally sell them. The Federal Audits are regular and often, and the penalties are severe for the slightest, even minor infraction.

The fully automatic weapons, and the modified legal Assault Weapons, are coming from underworld sources, other countries, etc...and US gun laws are not to blame with respect to Mexico's armed cartel problem.

Fact is, law abiding Mexicans should have the means to protect their own lives. As it is now, they are lambs to the slaughter, brought on by a government that can not even repel the advances of the drug cartels with any meaningful success, not even with their own military class sophisticated weaponry. Had the Mexican army had the capability, this issue with the cartels would have been long over and done with.

Monterreydude...you want to borrow a couple of FA18 Hornets? We can send them down to visit the compounds of the cartels in Mexico, blow up their convoys, wipe them off the face of the earth. Let's teach them a little lesson about what real fire power is. We need to send them a message that they are pissing us off, and we are tired of the BS, and of their terrible treatment of the good people of Mexico.


[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Well in a way, when people die, a shooting IS a shooting.
And assault weapons ARE used. Not as openly as in Mexico, but gangs use them as the narcs used them here and in the same violent way.
It's just that sometimes the media conveniently forgets to mention that cause they don't want to get in trouble with the NRA.

But it is a fact that assault weopons are used. Simply put they are not as visible or used in an open way as in Mexico.

Example:

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/23/BALR1E3LHO.DTL[/url]

This is The International Association of Chiefs of Police

[url]http://cbs4.com/topstories/police.assault.weapons.2.405598.html[/url]

This is the NRA thru one of their subsidiaries (1997 op/ed).

[url]http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/Are_Assault_Weapons_a_Threat_to_Police.htm[/url]

This is the opposing point of view

[url]http://mediamatters.org/research/200506300004[/url]


Media examples of shootings using assault weopens are all over the virtual map.
You can Google it up.


PS: Before my virtual and anonymous friend USB intervenes, I like to point out that I agree with him to the fact that weapons used by felons are not in their hands via a legal way.[/QUOTE]

Hello Tooold28,

I take back everything I said in speculating about you, and about your brother in law, Cuañado1259. I meant no disrespect, and I apologize.

By they way, see above, notice I am using the proper ñ now thanks to Bbond and Dickhead :-).

But, for some reason it's duplicating the "ñ" like this every time: ñn , and I have to go back and erase the English "n." I'll have to experiment more with it, unless someone knows what I might be doing wrong. I've tried it a number of times using the ALT + 164, and it always comes up this way.

Based on the content and sincerity of your post Toold28, I can see you are a stand-up guy. I hope you're doing better these days with respect to the health issues. I would feel privileged to join you if you make it down to Monterrey, as well as the rest of the NL guys.

[QUOTE=Toold28]No Monterreydude, I do not hate you. I cheated death with 2 strokes in 3 months a few years back, I no longer know hatred. We may have had our differences but I certainly do not hate you. In fact I put you in the top 8 of the most respected members of the 2 forums I check daily. One day I will make it back to Monterrey and you can show me your Monterrey not what has been shown to me.

Someone else said that I must not be American. Well I was born and lived all my life in Texas.

Cuñado1259 was my brother-in-law. Monterrey is a wonderful city. Almost all of my trips to Monterrey were with or to meet with Cuñado1259. If any of you ever read any post of his, you would know that he could be hard to get along with. To him, money was the answer to everything. So my latest trips there were not always enjoyable. Under different circumstances I could probably enjoy myself. I have not looked for ladies nor even been to a club in Monterrey since 1984. Since then all of the ladies I have met or been with in Monterrey were brought to me by Cuñado1259.

I do read the posts here daily but have nothing pertinant that I could contribute, so I continue to lurk.

Like Bbond I made my first trips to Mexico to the border towns in 1968 and continue to do so. I prefer Nuevo Laredo to all cities I have visited over the years. Nothing really special, just my personal get away spot.[/QUOTE]

Guys, check Youtube.

Key words, Alex - Monterrey.

You'll see how the city fared.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Hello Tooold28,

I take back everything I said in speculating about you, and about your brother in law, Cuañado1259. I meant no disrespect, and I apologize.

By they way, see above, notice I am using the proper ñ now thanks to Bbond and Dickhead :-).

But, for some reason it's duplicating the "ñ" like this every time: ñn , and I have to go back and erase the English "n." I'll have to experiment more with it, unless someone knows what I might be doing wrong. I've tried it a number of times using the ALT + 164, and it always comes up this way.

Based on the content and sincerity of your post Toold28, I can see you are a stand-up guy. I hope you're doing better these days with respect to the health issues. I would feel privileged to join you if you make it down to Monterrey, as well as the rest of the NL guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]

But, for some reason it's duplicating the "ñ" like this every time: ñn , and I have to go back and erase the English "n." I'll have to experiment more with it, unless someone knows what I might be doing wrong. I've tried it a number of times using the ALT + 164, and it always comes up this way.
[/QUOTE]

Try alt 0209 for Ñ, and alt 0241 for ñ, see if that works correctly.

[QUOTE=Bbond]Try alt 0209 for Ñ, and alt 0241 for ñ, see if that works correctly.[/QUOTE]

Ok...trying it now.

Ñ
that was with the ALT + 0209

ñ
that was with the ALT + 0241

You have to hold the ALT key down for the full sequence. Then, when you let up on the ALT key it prints the single letter. You don't have to go back after pressing the ALT sequence and print the letter, it just does it automatically when you let up on ALT.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]
You have to hold the ALT key down for the full sequence. Then, when you let up on the ALT key it prints the single letter. You don't have to go back after pressing the ALT sequence and print the letter, it just does it automatically when you let up on ALT.[/QUOTE]

Same as with Alt 164 and 165, hold the alt key and type numbers, release alt key and correct ñ or Ñ should appear.

Next thing you know, Monterreydude will be telling you that Hurricane Alex's worst was just a slight drizzle!

My point, regardless of what two anonymous bullies on a mongering message board tell you, is this: Please feel free to post any and all stories that may potentially affect our safety. We'll decide later if they're true or not, but the most important thing is for there to be an atmosphere of feeling comfortable to share information without immediately being shouted down and belittled. This is especially important in an area that is growing increasingly more dangerous. As Monterreydude would have it now: HE'LL be the one to decide what info is shared here. And, I'm sorry buddy, but that doesn't cut it.

And I say "anonymous" because I don't know either of you from Adam and I'd be a damn fool to trust you at face value, especially after your behavior over the last few days and your insistence upon denying, deflecting and shouting down all opposing viewpoints. You guys are the ones with the agenda. Monterreydude wants you to come to select clubs while Unspongebob just wants to make Monterreydude happy.

I don't care if anyone comes to Monterrey or not and I don't care if they go to escorts, MPs, or strip clubs. Why would I care one way or another? I just don't want my fellow hobbyists to accidentally walk into a dangerous situation and meet a tragic end.

Is that so vile and offensive? I have not written a single thing that is untrue, so why the attacks?

* Is Monterrey dangerous at the moment? Yes, especially in any area involving drugs or the cartels.

* Are the thugs growing bolder and more proficient? Yes. Blocking city streets, storming tourist-friendly hotels, attacking law enforcement, etc. No city in the US can be compared to the type of violence that regularly takes place in many parts of Mexico. It's a completely different animal.

* Are the clubs populated with cartel thugs? Yes.

Again, I repeat: What's so vile and offensive about telling people to be aware and offering them an alternate strategy than just blindly walking into places recommended on message boards by anonymous members? I mean, really, for all I know, 3 or 4 of you could all be the same person posting under alternate names. These things happen and it's just as easy to assume that than for Unspongebob to assume that I'm some sort of plant for establishments THAT I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED!

Ok, that's my rant. Now, back to the prevailing logic here: Hurricane Alex? Nothing but a drizzle. After all, it also rains in Chicago! ;)

In 1968 I was told by the manager of a motel/-re house in Nuevo Laredo, that a person could go anywhere at any time, day or night, with no problems as long as you showed not fear. And within weeks, my brother and I went anywhere we wanted, by foot and car.

Young and dumb. Some where in learning fearlessness, I lost the preception of danger for many years. It took for me an incident in Terreón Mexico, another in Mexico City, a 3rd in Orange Walk Belize another in Memphis Tennessee, to come to my senses and recognise again that there are dangers in this hobby.

Each and every person has to make their own decision as to danger. I spent 24 years working in topless clubs in Houston. In my eyes there is a little danger in strip clubs anywhere. You must be aware of your surroundings at all times and stay alert.

MonterreyDude, Bbond and Usb have all proved to be trusted and respected. I can honestly say that each of these men would immediately inform us all if they thought that there was any abnormal dangers. Not just in Monterrey but anywhere. They would not let us walk into somewhere to be blindsided.

Certainly there is some danger, but is it so bad and so prevalent as to keep a person from having an enjoyable, restfull get away and staying away?

We already heard all this stuff. Lets define the disagreement. The disagreement isn't that there is no danger in Monterrey.

The disagreement is that the danger has not exhibited itself in the clubs, and that you can, if you just follow some basic safety procedures, no different than any major mongering city with a high crime problem, be statistically safe in coming to Monterrey.

The shear numbers of people in Monterrey compared to the percentage of victims will substantiate that mathematically. But, we merely disagree...so, why are you escalating it, bringing it all up again? You are the one bullying by insisting on bringing up the disagreement again, and it is just that, merely a disagreement.

Tell us something "NEW" that demonstrates that you have any direct knowledge about mongering in Monterrey, and that you're not just a troll with a desire to post inflammatory rhetoric, OK?

And, to insinuate that my posts and opinions are only here to make Monterreydude happy is laughable. Have you not read the extent of our disagreements with one another over countless issues, some concerning mongering style, types of girls, preferences over clubs, politics, mongering strategy, etc...? To suggest we are one in the same individual is even more of a hoot!

Our disagreements are endlessly posted here on ISG for all to read, probably for the rest of eternity. They say that once stuff is posted on the internet, it is there forever. Your making the charge that we are somehow unconditionally harmonious reveals just how mistaken you really are with respect to the relationship between Monterreydude and myself.

We are friends, but we have disagreements in person, and online, quite frequently. But, if for no other reason, it should at least reveal the content of our character that we are not so petty as to allow our disagreements to escalate to the point of being offensive with respect to our postings. And, just because we are friends, doesn't mean that either of us would spare our own personal opinions to placate the other...

Can you not see that we are both too opinionated for that kind of restraint, to preserve our friendship at the cost of not being true to our own opinions?

Frankly, your comments reveal an underlying bias that suggests you have a alternative agenda of some kind, or that you are posting from the perspective of already being a former nemesis, someone with an already established history with us, possibly someone utilizing false screen names to escalate the rhetoric. Or, perhaps your purpose here is more akin to being a troll rather than a legitimate monger.

No matter which of these it is, if any, or none, we are beating a dead horse, verdad? And, of course, we are available to meet with you at any time, just so you will know we are for real. You will at least no longer be able to use that worn out accusation that we are anonymous, especially when so many know us personally, and understand the legitimacy of our connection to Monterrey, and the mongering hobby. Even those that disagree with us do not doubt the validity of that relationship. And, if you are so bold as to actually meet us, and assuming you are not an already well established nemesis with a prior and everlasting agenda, you will find us welcoming you into the fold, agreeing to disagree, but harmoniously standing by our opinions.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Next thing you know, Monterreydude will be telling you that Hurricane Alex's worst was just a slight drizzle!

My point, regardless of what two anonymous bullies on a mongering message board tell you, is this: Please feel free to post any and all stories that may potentially affect our safety. We'll decide later if they're true or not, but the most important thing is for there to be an atmosphere of feeling comfortable to share information without immediately being shouted down and belittled. This is especially important in an area that is growing increasingly more dangerous. As Monterreydude would have it now: HE'LL be the one to decide what info is shared here. And, I'm sorry buddy, but that doesn't cut it.

And I say "anonymous" because I don't know either of you from Adam and I'd be a damn fool to trust you at face value, especially after your behavior over the last few days and your insistence upon denying, deflecting and shouting down all opposing viewpoints. You guys are the ones with the agenda. Monterreydude wants you to come to select clubs while Unspongebob just wants to make Monterreydude happy.

I don't care if anyone comes to Monterrey or not and I don't care if they go to escorts, MPs, or strip clubs. Why would I care one way or another? I just don't want my fellow hobbyists to accidentally walk into a dangerous situation and meet a tragic end.

Is that so vile and offensive? I have not written a single thing that is untrue, so why the attacks?

* Is Monterrey dangerous at the moment? Yes, especially in any area involving drugs or the cartels.

* Are the thugs growing bolder and more proficient? Yes. Blocking city streets, storming tourist-friendly hotels, attacking law enforcement, etc. No city in the US can be compared to the type of violence that regularly takes place in many parts of Mexico. It's a completely different animal.

* Are the clubs populated with cartel thugs? Yes.

Again, I repeat: What's so vile and offensive about telling people to be aware and offering them an alternate strategy than just blindly walking into places recommended on message boards by anonymous members? I mean, really, for all I know, 3 or 4 of you could all be the same person posting under alternate names. These things happen and it's just as easy to assume that than for Unspongebob to assume that I'm some sort of plant for establishments THAT I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED!

Ok, that's my rant. Now, back to the prevailing logic here: Hurricane Alex? Nothing but a drizzle. After all, it also rains in Chicago! ;)[/QUOTE]

God, you really don't even read a single post in this forum.

Read post #92570 (July 3)

Let me help you our cause it seems you don't know how to navigate within a webpage.

And I copy/paste:

Guys, check Youtube.

Key words, Alex - Monterrey.

You'll see how the city fared.

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Keep ranting Chester Boy.
You're more than a disaster than Monterrey is right now.
Your making fun of other people's suffering.





[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Next thing you know, Monterreydude will be telling you that Hurricane Alex's worst was just a slight drizzle!

My point, regardless of what two anonymous bullies on a mongering message board tell you, is this: Please feel free to post any and all stories that may potentially affect our safety. We'll decide later if they're true or not, but the most important thing is for there to be an atmosphere of feeling comfortable to share information without immediately being shouted down and belittled. This is especially important in an area that is growing increasingly more dangerous. As Monterreydude would have it now: HE'LL be the one to decide what info is shared here. And, I'm sorry buddy, but that doesn't cut it.

And I say "anonymous" because I don't know either of you from Adam and I'd be a damn fool to trust you at face value, especially after your behavior over the last few days and your insistence upon denying, deflecting and shouting down all opposing viewpoints. You guys are the ones with the agenda. Monterreydude wants you to come to select clubs while Unspongebob just wants to make Monterreydude happy.

I don't care if anyone comes to Monterrey or not and I don't care if they go to escorts, MPs, or strip clubs. Why would I care one way or another? I just don't want my fellow hobbyists to accidentally walk into a dangerous situation and meet a tragic end.

Is that so vile and offensive? I have not written a single thing that is untrue, so why the attacks?

* Is Monterrey dangerous at the moment? Yes, especially in any area involving drugs or the cartels.

* Are the thugs growing bolder and more proficient? Yes. Blocking city streets, storming tourist-friendly hotels, attacking law enforcement, etc. No city in the US can be compared to the type of violence that regularly takes place in many parts of Mexico. It's a completely different animal.

* Are the clubs populated with cartel thugs? Yes.

Again, I repeat: What's so vile and offensive about telling people to be aware and offering them an alternate strategy than just blindly walking into places recommended on message boards by anonymous members? I mean, really, for all I know, 3 or 4 of you could all be the same person posting under alternate names. These things happen and it's just as easy to assume that than for Unspongebob to assume that I'm some sort of plant for establishments THAT I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED!

Ok, that's my rant. Now, back to the prevailing logic here: Hurricane Alex? Nothing but a drizzle. After all, it also rains in Chicago! ;)[/QUOTE]

Damn, goddamn. everywhere in Mexico, especially the border areas, have problems right now. You can advise for or against visiting. A visitor may or may not have problems, as it ALWAYS has been. So why waste bandwidth either way. An informed monger is a wise monger, but when advise comes from both directions, what's a guy to think. Go, have fun, and if you get your ass in a sling, that's the way Mexico operates. The drug wars are just that, drug wars, if your not involved chances are you are not a target. Getting caught in a cross fire, shit, that fact can happen in a McDonalds anywhere USA.

Bottom line, tell us, as per what this forum is about, where the chicas are, where to get the best bang for the dollars spent.

The violence, and toll from said violence, can be read in several newspapers.
Enough bickering is enough, and, personally, I have read enough. Let's get back to the theme of the forum.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]We already heard all this stuff. Lets define the disagreement. The disagreement isn't that there is no danger in Monterrey.

The disagreement is that the danger has not exhibited itself in the clubs, and that you can, if you just follow some basic safety procedures, no different than any major mongering city with a high crime problem, be statistically safe in coming to Monterrey.

The shear numbers of people in Monterrey compared to the percentage of victims will substantiate that mathematically. But, we merely disagree...so, why are you escalating it, bringing it all up again? You are the one bullying by insisting on bringing up the disagreement again, and it is just that, merely a disagreement.

Tell us something "NEW" that demonstrates that you have any direct knowledge about mongering in Monterrey, and that you're not just a troll with a desire to post inflammatory rhetoric, OK?

And, to insinuate that my posts and opinions are only here to make Monterreydude happy is laughable. Have you not read the extent of our disagreements with one another over countless issues, some concerning mongering style, types of girls, preferences over clubs, politics, mongering strategy, etc...? To suggest we are one in the same individual is even more of a hoot!

Our disagreements are endlessly posted here on ISG for all to read, probably for the rest of eternity. They say that once stuff is posted on the internet, it is there forever. Your making the charge that we are somehow unconditionally harmonious reveals just how mistaken you really are with respect to the relationship between Monterreydude and myself.

We are friends, but we have disagreements in person, and online, quite frequently. But, if for no other reason, it should at least reveal the content of our character that we are not so petty as to allow our disagreements to escalate to the point of being offensive with respect to our postings. And, just because we are friends, doesn't mean that either of us would spare our own personal opinions to placate the other...

Can you not see that we are both too opinionated for that kind of restraint, to preserve our friendship at the cost of not being true to our own opinions?

Frankly, your comments reveal an underlying bias that suggests you have a alternative agenda of some kind, or that you are posting from the perspective of already being a former nemesis, someone with an already established history with us, possibly someone utilizing false screen names to escalate the rhetoric. Or, perhaps your purpose here is more akin to being a troll rather than a legitimate monger.

No matter which of these it is, if any, or none, we are beating a dead horse, verdad? And, of course, we are available to meet with you at any time, just so you will know we are for real. You will at least no longer be able to use that worn out accusation that we are anonymous, especially when so many know us personally, and understand the legitimacy of our connection to Monterrey, and the mongering hobby. Even those that disagree with us do not doubt the validity of that relationship. And, if you are so bold as to actually meet us, and assuming you are not an already well established nemesis with a prior and everlasting agenda, you will find us welcoming you into the fold, agreeing to disagree, but harmoniously standing by our opinions.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

Naw... the more you write, the less I believe you.

CB says "I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter. "

Monterreydude says: If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it.

CB says: "didn't find one really useful mongering report"
MD says: You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way.

CB says: If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: Really??? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return... enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances.

CB says: The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: All your falacy is stuck with just this one paragrah. To establish a core of girls takes MONEY, tons of it. Even if they are escorts, club girls, MP girls, you need to drop a a LOT of money for them to start paying serious attention to you. And that is just "starting to notice you".
And I love this part "quickly"... tel that to the mongers that are here for only one day.

CB says: Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing.

MD says: Can you tell me, how big if this "group of girl"??? You must be dropping more money than any of us can imagine.

CB: By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey.
It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel.

MD says: I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF??? If you've been here, you should know that Monterrey has tens of hotels where mongers stay all over the city.
Have you been to ALL these hotels: Intercontinental, Camino Real, Safi Valle, Ibis, Wyndham, Sheraton Ambssador, Sheraton Four Points, Quinta Real, Radisson Ancira, the HoJo, Safi Centro, Fiesta Inn Centro, Fiesta Inn Fidel Velazquez, Hampton Inn Galerias, Hamtpon Inn Aeropuerto, Hampton Inn San Nicolas?????
I really mean it.. ALL HOTELS?????

CB says: Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

MD says: Locally owned hotels? Can we get the names of said "locally owned" hotels in Monterrey? Again, after reading that you have an apartment and you only stay in locally owned hotels... how can we trust your word that ALL hotels af girl friendly???
By the way, let me help you out. Safi hotels are localy owned, they have a 4 star and a grand tourism at the Colonia del Valle district AND offer internet acces AND do not allow any visitors to their rooms.

CB says: Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me

MD: Oh boy!!! Such a liar. Has any monger seen the instance of ho A recomending ho B so the customer can spend his money on B instead of on A???? Not to mention add ho C to the equation??

CB says; "If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent."

MD says: If someone's here for a short time... they won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? They don't have an apartment to bring the girls home. If they are here for mongering and the monger asks me about the high end MPs, I will gladly point out to him Versace, Misses, Regias, Romanos, though I recomend Extravaganza as a good option.

.......... and the coup de gras (this is the good one)

CB says: I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve.

MD says: My, you have the market cornered. At least 20 girls in your pocket. Like I said, you must be Howard Hughes, cause it takes a LOT OF MONEY, not to mention time, tons and tons of available time to have, let us not say 20, nor 10... 5 girls in your pocket.

Naw.... the more I read, the less I believe.

















[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Now, I am 100% convinced that you are a wealthy local.

Only these types of people fall apart so completely when their ultimate authority is challenged. It's really like dealing with children sometimes. The insecurity is crazy. If I were Monterreydude's wife, he'd be beating me right now. LOL. Dude, having a few bucks in your wallet doesn't make you a member of the aristocracy, get over yourself.

As for the meat of your attack, I suggest you go re-read what I actually wrote. Stop putting words in my mouth and then trying to refute those points that I never even made.

Really, you might consider deleting this last post of yours. You come off sounding real bad:

Monterreydude: "If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it. "

(Why should info be withheld from people on a public forum? Yes, because you want them to come to YOU. All Hail Monterreydude, King of his pretend internet world)

Monterreydude: "You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way. "

(Being a local- you are a local, right? I wasn't sure of that. LOL. Well, being a local, price info and other logistics would be helpful to those checking in for the first time. You should have no trouble keeping a running tally of policy changes since you live on this forum and already waste so much time posting small talk and attacks on new members. But, of course, if they want any real, logistical help, they must come to YOU personally. All Hail King Monterreydude.)

Monterreydude: "Really? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return. Enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances. "

(If you had kept reading my post, you would've gotten the answer to that question.)

Monterreydude: "I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF?

I really mean it. ALL HOTELS? "

(In that same section you commented on, I said that I have an apartment, but prefer to do business in the hotels. Surely you can understand the desire to keep mongering activities away from the place where you live and away from business associates, right? Or do you just bring these girls right to your door in broad daylight? And, where exactly did I say ALL HOTELS? I said all the hotels that I've used have not stopped me from bringing girls up. Learn to pay attention.)

As for my group of girls. I don't OWN them, I merely have their names in my phone book and hire them as needed, at about a 30-50% discount than what their initial price was. I'm not spending a fortune, I'm actually saving money from when I had to hassle with those clip joints that you hustle ISG members to. It's about going directly to the girl and eliminating agency fees or bar fines. It's simple unless, of course, you ARE the middle man.

Now, here's the best part of this pathetic attack:

Monterreydude: "If someone's here for a short time. They won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? "

(LOL. They won't have the time for a quick 1 or 2 hour lunch time appointment, but you would have them spending all night at some dive club and then going for the lunch buffet the next day? Come on, that's the very definition of grasping at straws. The high end MPs are precisely made for their convenience to businessmen and people who don't want to waste 6-7 hours on finding a girl.)

The more I look at it, the more of a shill you appear to be. Directing everyone to 1 or 2 specific clubs, guiding people away from certain hotels because they are not "girl friendly" and presumably to others, which are, and insisting that any specifics be discussed on a person to person basis and away from the public forum.

To all those members of the ISG, Monterreydude probably can give you some useful info, but be aware that you are probably being hustled and that Monterrey is much bigger than the small world being presented.

And again, feel free to report any info that may affect our safety.

Monterreydude, please contain yourself and let this go. You can keep being the King of the ISG Monterrey board if that makes you feel better, just don't expect me to bow to you.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Naw. The more you write, the less I believe you.

CB says "I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter. "

Monterreydude says: If you have the monopoly of Universal Knowledge, you would know that half of the info referenced here is shown in public and the rest via PMs to the respective mongers that need it.

CB says: "didn't find one really useful mongering report"

MD says: You really don't have a live brain cell within you. Since Iam local, I know that a "mongering report" is useless after a couple of days. Specially with girl migration around the clubs. Being local I know that they move from place to place faster than you can even imagine. Being a local I know also that club policies change on a day by day basis. Being local, I know that escorts operate in the same way.

CB says: If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: Really? How about the mayority of the mongers that comes here for only 2 nights and leave and never return. Enlighten us what they can do under those circumstances.

CB says: The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

MD says: All your falacy is stuck with just this one paragrah. To establish a core of girls takes MONEY, tons of it. Even if they are escorts, club girls, MP girls, you need to drop a a LOT of money for them to start paying serious attention to you. And that is just "starting to notice you".

And I love this part "quickly". Tel that to the mongers that are here for only one day.

CB says: Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing.

MD says: Can you tell me, how big if this "group of girl"? You must be dropping more money than any of us can imagine.

CB: By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey.

It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel.

MD says: I don't get it. "I have an apartment now". How can you vouch for hotels being GF? If you've been here, you should know that Monterrey has tens of hotels where mongers stay all over the city.

Have you been to ALL these hotels: Intercontinental, Camino Real, Safi Valle, Ibis, Wyndham, Sheraton Ambssador, Sheraton Four Points, Quinta Real, Radisson Ancira, the HoJo, Safi Centro, Fiesta Inn Centro, Fiesta Inn Fidel Velazquez, Hampton Inn Galerias, Hamtpon Inn Aeropuerto, Hampton Inn San Nicolas?

I really mean it. ALL HOTELS?

CB says: Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

MD says: Locally owned hotels? Can we get the names of said "locally owned" hotels in Monterrey? Again, after reading that you have an apartment and you only stay in locally owned hotels. How can we trust your word that ALL hotels af girl friendly?

By the way, let me help you out. Safi hotels are localy owned, they have a 4 star and a grand tourism at the Colonia del Valle district AND offer internet acces AND do not allow any visitors to their rooms.

CB says: Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and see to me

MD: Oh boy! Such a liar. Has any monger seen the instance of ho A recomending ho B so the customer can spend his money on B instead of on A? Not to mention add ho see to the equation?

CB says; "If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. "

MD says: If someone's here for a short time. They won't have the time, nor time enough to hit the high en MP's. They are here for work, remember? They don't have an apartment to bring the girls home. If they are here for mongering and the monger asks me about the high end MPs, I will gladly point out to him Versace, Misses, Regias, Romanos, though I recomend Extravaganza as a good option.

. And the coup de gras (this is the good one)

CB says: I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve.

MD says: My, you have the market cornered. At least 20 girls in your pocket. Like I said, you must be Howard Hughes, cause it takes a LOT OF MONEY, not to mention time, tons and tons of available time to have, let us not say 20, nor 10. 5 girls in your pocket.

Naw. The more I read, the less I believe.[/QUOTE]

Well, I can only offer to be nice...beyond that you reveal the true nature of your intentions by the content of your comments.

Your comments reveal to me that you know nothing of Monterrey, and you're commenting with generalities.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I can assure you that I have no desire to get to know you two nor do I have any desire to read your self-important pap. When I first found this site and signed up, I went back and read up on what was going on in my neck of the woods. I went back nearly 30 pages and didn't find one really useful mongering report from either of you, just a lot of small talk and inside banter.

All the useful info came from others. Someone shouldn't have to meet with you personally to get info. That defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Don't you guys see that?

Monterreydude, I was poking fun at you and your persistent denial of any dangers in Monterrey, not at the damages and tragedies caused by the hurricane. So, spare me the self-righteous act. What you're doing is the same as what you accuse me of: Downplaying a real danger just to push forward a personal agenda.

Anyway, here's the deal:

If you visit often or if you'll be here an extended period of time, you WILL have to risk yourself a bit at the clubs and/or low end MPs. The idea, though, is to quickly establish a core group of girls and work on them to establish a certain level of trust. Escorts are hit and miss. Some are real finds, most are flakes who can't be relied on for "off the clock" appointments.

Once you're in, you'll have access to a group of girls who will be willing to service you at your place of residence or at the hotel of your choosing. By the way, I've never had any problem bringing girls to any hotel I've ever stayed at in Monterrey. It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited. I have my apartment now, but I still prefer to do business in a hotel. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule, but you will only get hassled if you want to stay at the chain hotels or American imports. Stay at hotels that are locally owned. You may not get internet access, but you won't get hassled if you bring girls in.

Anyway, establishing connections is the key. I've even had situations where Girl A has recommended Girls B and C to me. I never go to the strip clubs anymore and I wouldn't even consider visiting those clip joints unless my private stash completely ran dry. I now have about 8-10 top flight girls to turn to and about a half dozen more in reserve. It took me a few months to get there and I had to spend some money, but now things are cheap and easy for me. And, best of all, no semen-stained walls and disease-infested toilets. And no rubbing elbows with cartel thugs.

If you're in town for a short time and/or won't be back frequently, do yourself a favor and hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home. Day appointments are a huge plus for me since I enjoy hitting the legit anthros later on for amateur talent. As for specifics, I'll leave it to you to do a search through this forum. I want you to see for yourself how muddled Monterreydude and Unspongebob have made the board for all those looking for info other than stuff about El Infinito. The fact of the matter is that I rarely even go to MPs anymore, either. I just dip into my stash. Misses is king IMO and it's in a nice neighborhood with plenty of taxi service available. You can take money out from the Banamex ATM about a half block down, just so you're not walking around with a couple of grand in your wallet.

Again, tastes vary, but I always preferred a relaxed, safe, clean atmosphere where you could actually talk to the girls.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.[/QUOTE]

Ok, prove it...

CB: It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited.

Ok, name the girl friendly hotels in Monterrey. I know them, do you?

CB: Hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home.

I routinely find girls in the strip clubs for less than three privados, $150 pesos, no drinks, and they will stay four hours. Cost is $1700 pesos. Name the high end MP where you an spend 4 hours with a girl for a total cost of $1,850 pesos. Misses? Hahhhh, fat chance...

CB: Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

No, just PROVE IT!!!

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Ok, prove it...

CB: It's been reported here that some hotels are not girl-friendly, but that hasn't been the case for me here or in any other Mexican city I've visited.

Ok, name the girl friendly hotels in Monterrey. I know them, do you?

CB: Hit the high-end MPs where you will find gorgeous girls for a price comparable to what you'd spend at the strip clubs while finding someone to take home.

I routinely find girls in the strip clubs for less than three privados, $150 pesos, no drinks, and they will stay four hours. Cost is $1700 pesos. Name the high end MP where you an spend 4 hours with a girl for a total cost of $1,850 pesos. Misses? Hahhhh, fat chance...

CB: Now, I'll just sit back and wait to be shouted down and attacked again for daring to have a differing opinion.

No, just PROVE IT!!![/QUOTE]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.

You still haven't said a thing other than to accuse me, and us, of jumping all over you because of your desire to falsely characterize the bars as dangerous. I am not interested in jumping all over you, but I am interested in accurately characterizing things as they truly are.

If I permit you to spread your false opinions about the bars being so dangerous, and your advocating that all should completely avoid them, rather than to simply express your opinion of why you like escorts, then others that are contemplating coming to Monterrey, primarily for the bar scene, will be put off. That's simply not what this forum is about either, advocating for one venue over another by making false and misleading statements. Certainly, not everything you posted about the bar scene is false or misleading. But, much of what you said was false and misleading.

Nobody takes issue that some of the bars are shit holes, or that some of the bars can cost a lot of money if you don't know what you're doing. But, on the other hand, not all people care how much they cost. I have seen numerous Gringos drop hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in the high end bars, and think nothing of it. That's their preferred activity...they want to...they like it. It is not my cup of tea, but I don't bash them for doing it, other than to warn that it will be expensive.

But you, you want all mongers to come to Monterrey amidst the dangers you say exist, dangers that are higher than they were several years ago, and to spend all there time with escorts. Some of them don't want escorts...some believe them to be expensive for the amount of time spent, and they don't like buying a pig in a poke without first interviewing the pig thoroughly, which they are ONLY able to do within the bar scene.

I don't bash anyone that likes the MP or the escort scene. I don't discourage them from going to those venues by scaring them off of another venue. If I like one venue over another, then I explain why. But, I don't falsely lead them to one venue over another by scaring them away from the other venue. Why would anyone do that??? Well, some have ulterior self serving motives. Maybe you don't, but rest assured, some do.

Regarding some detailed postings, I started out many years ago revealing intimate details about my own exploits in Monterrey. But, unfortunately, I found out very quickly that to reveal too much in the forum is dangerous to my own satisfaction in the hobby, primarily because there are a few people out there, similar to yourself seemingly, that take not only a delight in disagreeing with our points of view on some issues within the forum, but they diabolically enjoy taking these small disagreements even further by sabotaging our own enjoyment of the hobby on the ground. That's why we generally limit ourselves to logistical assistance, and/or sometimes more detailed intimate specifics within the PM system.

That is one reason I invited you to a meeting, first to establish you are not one of these nut cases commenting in sheep's clothing, and second to demonstrate that I have no animosity toward you. Frankly, I would rather turn this from a contentious meeting on-line into a better understanding of one another off-line. I find that often there are misunderstandings of personalities on-line, and on-line personalities sometimes clash. Often, once people meet off line, it reveals the true content of their character, personalities, and intentions, and on-line relationships are enhanced, as it should be. But, I was mocked by you in that endeavor. Fine, so be it then.

Some of these people that post on ISG, and other sites, often act as though they are off their meds, and a percentage of them should likely be under the confined care of a psychiatrist, or in a secure mental hospital. That's why we prefer to handle inquiries directly through PMs, rather than to post information here that is too detailed for the crazies to see.

Those that have come to Monterrey for the last ten years know us through our personal advice to them, they know the content of our character, and the validity of our advice. To put it bluntly, we don't shit in our own nest by commenting too publicly within the forum about anything other than logistical advise, and personal opinions.

I have no desire to continue this conversation, and I will fade totally away, but ONLY if you let it go. But, you keep bringing it up, characterizing things inaccurately. It isn't about a disagreement in preferences. You are characterizing things inaccurately with the same vigor that someone might have that has self serving ulterior motives.

Regarding this disagreement, we let it drop once. Now it's your turn. Follow your own advice, and resist the urge to answer this if you want things to cease. But, as long as you continue spreading more than just an expression of your preferences, with an apparent desire to discredit one venue over another, for whatever ulterior motives may or may not exist with you, we will be here to set the record straight.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.[/QUOTE]

Am not letting it go.

Chester Boy is a mythomaniac. He's just cooking up whales of tales, going around the subject, never focusing on a subject, never elaborating into specifics.
Time and time, post after post he could have given us a small example of what he knows of the city, but again and again he evades specifics.

Not even a hotel name has popped from his fingers and keyboard.
Or a SC.

He's so enthraled in his myths that he even forgot that he said that he has lived in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

Six years... you could give us a small example of what Alex did to Monterrey... not even that.

I mean, for a guy that lives in Monterrey in an apartment, he knows ALL the hotels in town.
Why should that be? He doesn't know them by name at all.

Just keep it coming Chester.




[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I could say the same thing to you. Prove it! I haven't read any specific details from you at all. Nothing. Maybe the only Monterrey you know is the one Monterreydude walks you through.

EVERY hotel I've been to has allowed me to bring girls up. I wasn't even aware that this was an issue until I started reading about it here.

Next, How much time have you invested into making the scene at the club? I assume years. If someone is coming as a complete newbie, it is logical to assume that he will have to invest some decent change into finding the right girl to take out. That involves drinks, privados and the constant pestering for hand-outs from staff and/or girls. Let's not even mention the time invested.

For less money and way less time/hassle, you can go to a clean place, pick out the stunner of your choice and in an hour's time, be done and on your way.

Some people like the grimy club scene and it all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind spending the money as long as I can cut down on the time and hassle.

Over time, of course, things get more economical as you learn how to play the game and make a name for yourself. A few months ago I took a real stunner to Costa Rica on a semi-business trip. Price came out to less than 400 pesos an hour, total. And this is A+ material. When I was a newbie or if I just had a limited amount of time in town, this would not have been possible.

Please go back and review where this became a pissing match. I never took you guys on, I just was stating my opinion, belief and preference. If you like what you like and believe what you believe, fine. Just don't attack others for not sharing your ideas.

Leave this be. It's pointless to the purpose of this forum. Instead, post some helpful tips instead of making people beg for it personally. Resist the urge to answer this.

Let it go.[/QUOTE]

I'm new here and I'm wondering if there's even an active moderator on this board because Monterreydude and Unspongebob have totally hijacked this thread. They've been allowed to ramble on for years and now truly believe that this is THEIR thread. Monterrey is a huge city, it's amazing that there's so little action on the Monterrey board. The reason for this, of course, is that two members have hijacked the thread and have created an atmosphere where THEY set the agendas and shout down all opposing viewpoints. They've also established the idea (ON A PUBLIC FORUM!) that any specific info must be acquired personally from them! Ridiculous, especially since the most needy of members are the newest ones and would be required to purchase a membership in order to use the PM system.

Look in other sections of the ISG and you will see a brotherhood of mongers, all sharing info openly and freely with the veteran mongers, especially, adding to the database of shared info. None say, "I refuse to share info, contact me personally." Really, that defeats the purpose of the ISG.

But let's make a deal: If you guys start dealing in specifics and helping at a level proportionate to your "expertise," then I will join in as well. I will even provide phone numbers, names and other inside tidbits. But, you guys go first. Share with the class or shut up and/or admit that you probably don't really know all that much other than Monterreydude's personal agenda, which hustles gringos into a specific club and hotels.

Unspongebob: What, pray tell, is a "False Opinion?" LOL. Stop working so hard to satisfy your master and realize that you've been shaped according to Monterrydude's whims.

And as far as "letting it go:" I had let it go and even expressed my intention of leaving the forum. I was gone for several days and, still, the attacks continued. What am I supposed to do when some fool attacks you with lies and words he put in your mouth and says that you know nothing, don't even live in Monterrey or that you're some sort of spy for another establishment?

The fact of the matter is that two members have been allowed to hijack the thread and anything not focused on stroking their egos is quickly done away with and the few real reports with real info on them are quickly buried in a mass of personal messages back and forth between the two and inside references that only mean something between the same pair.

Everything that I've said is 100% true. Please tell me where I am wrong:

Are the clubs owned by the cartels? Yes!
Are the clubs frequented by the cartels? Yes!
Have there been shooting and other altercations at the clubs previously? Yes!
Should we have access to any info involving our safety in Monterrey? Yes!

Those were me points and the rest is just my personal preference for not dealing with the strip club scene when there are many reasonable alternatives available.

The truth is that going to the Oxxo for a Coke is NOT as dangerous as walking into El Infinito, as Unspongebob has tried to indicate. And the type of blatant, guerrilla-style violence and extortion does NOT compare to gang violence in the poorest sections of Chicago. No, Unspongebob, the chance of violence at the low-end strip clubs is not 0/0 as you have written.

Hell, Monterrydude is even in full denial that there is ANY violence. LOL

All of this is a real disservice to the monger and, frankly, it's irresponsible on the part of the two thread hijackers.

Everybody coming to Monterrey should know that the city is alive and that there are plenty of girls available and that, if you play smart, you should be safe. But, be aware of where you enter. And if you can avoid contact with these cartel scumbags, then please do so. That's why I would recommend the high-end MPs over the clubs at this point, especially for those only coming to town for short and/or infrequent visits.

Why put yourself out there and run any risk at all? And, yes, don't be stupid...of course there's risk whenever you drink alongside cartel enforcers and extortionists for hours at a time.

But, let's end this on a positive note:

I'm looking forward to the NEW Monterrey Board here at ISG. I hope my fellow Monterrey mongers, Monterreydude and Unspongebob agree with me and turn this thread around. More info, updated info from us locals, and specifics! I will gladly and harmoniously put this dispute in the past and contribute with pleasure as our thread leaders pave the way with their new focus on providing real, quality info without making members beg for it or requiring them to purchase a 20 dollar membership in order to use the PM service.

No more inside jokes or references and plenty of pricing info, club, MP and escort info! This will be great! I'm really looking forward to it and having it resemble many of the other threads on the ISG where the experts band together to guide newbies and help them in the open forum. I can't wait. In no time at all, this board will spring back to life and truly represent a very nice mongering scene here in Monterrey. Let's turn this negative into a positive!

Monterreydude, Unspongebob...the ball is in your court.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]
I'm looking forward to the NEW Monterrey Board here at ISG. I hope my fellow Monterrey mongers, Monterreydude and Unspongebob agree with me and turn this thread around. More info, updated info from us locals, and specifics!
[/QUOTE]

OK, start it. Give us some specifics.

Monterreydude and Unspongebob, both with 1000+ posts, and were supposed to believe what you post? Specifics, they have done that, over and over.
Your turn.

Come on now, no generalizations, specifics.

[QUOTE=Bbond]OK, start it. Give us some specifics.

Monterreydude and Unspongebob, both with 1000+ posts, and were supposed to believe what you post? Specifics, they have done that, over and over.
Your turn.

Come on now, no generalizations, specifics.[/QUOTE]Come on now, you don't actually buy into this conspiracy theory, do you? That I'm some sort of spy who has bothered to waste precious minutes of his time in trying to somehow undermine Monterreydude's and Unspongebob's authority on some anonymous internet message board. LOL. How silly.

The only reason that I even registered for an account is because of the way this one guy was attacked for even mentioning something what he heard regarding safety.

I never came in to help anyone with their mongering in the specific sense, but I will gladly do so if my compatriots step up first. After all, they attacked me first and questioned my motives and credibility first. Fair is fair, right?

As for their posts with "specifics," how many years ago was that? I'm about 35 pages back and have yet to see anything that could really be useful to someone about to come to town.

The difference between me and you guys is that I don't care about being king of this hill. If I don't ever give specifics about what I like and do, it doesn't really matter because I'm not presenting myself as some sort of expert and I'm not living on this board like you guys.

As for having 1000+ posts...well, excuse me for committing the horrible sin of just discovering the ISG a few weeks ago. They may have a 1000+ posts, but how many of those are just pointless banter and inside jokes?

And what was I asking them to believe? That Monterrey is dangerous and that people should exercise caution? Any moron with a TV, newspaper or computer could figure that one out...except for these two, of course. Every single person that I know here is preoccupied with the organized crime in the city. So, spare me the denial...This ain't Disneyland.

And why the attacks? I had never attacked or even addressed either one of them once.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and keep quiet when they intentionally mislead people with idiotic statements like that there's a 0/0 chance of violence at the low-end clubs or that going there is about as dangerous as walking to the Oxxo. That's just irresponsible talk.

Listen, I don't have to prove myself to anyone and I refuse to be personally put on trial for merely stating that people should be free to post information regarding possible safety issues on this board.

If you are against the free exchange of information on this board, then just ignore the stuff you don't want to hear. There's no need to attack me and I certainly don't feel the need to prove myself to any of you. Grow up, guys...This is an internet message board about hookers. There's no need for Monterreydude and his pet dog to fly into a rage because I dare to say that Monterrey can be dangerous.

But, again, I will gladly bury the hatchet and pitch in to give this thread a much more user-friendly atmosphere...and, yeah, I totally expect to be attacked by other sycophants with Stockholm Syndrome (look it up). It doesn't phase me.

Please step forward, guys. Let's kick this off ASAP. I'm seriously looking forward to it.

CB: The reason for this, of course, is that two members have hijacked the thread and have created an atmosphere where THEY set the agendas and shout down all opposing viewpoints. They've also established the idea (ON A PUBLIC FORUM!) that any specific info must be acquired personally from them! Ridiculous, especially since the most needy of members are the newest ones and would be required to purchase a membership in order to use the PM system.

First of all, unless there is a troll to entertain me, such as yourself, I am typically virtually silent, sometimes for weeks at a time. Anyone that wants to post their legitimate activities is perfectly welcome, and they will hear no contrary comments from me.

Case in point, we have several mongers on here that do enjoy the escorts. They post regularly about their experiences, in detail, and they receive absolutely no comments from me. I am not into the escorts, but I appreciate their contributions. You just never know when I might flip to the other side, and partake in one of them sometime. But, the point is, they comment totally without comments from us. They are free to comment, and they feel no restrictions in doing so. There is so much dead space on this forum that anyone charging that we are somehow interfering with the free posting of comments is totally and completely ludicrous.

CB:Look in other sections of the ISG and you will see a brotherhood of mongers, all sharing info openly and freely with the veteran mongers, especially, adding to the database of shared info. None say, "I refuse to share info, contact me personally." Really, that defeats the purpose of the ISG.

As I mentioned before, we do share information, but only after the ones we are sharing the information with have been totally and completely vetted. There are simply too many that take delight in ruining our personal circumstances on the ground in Monterrey, some innocently with their own stupid behavior once on the ground in Monterrey, and some on purpose. If you were in our shoes, and had you been truly mongering for any length of time, you should understand that such logic is perfectly reasonable given the mental state of some that choose to comment here, or lurk behind false screen names.

CB: But let's make a deal: If you guys start dealing in specifics and helping at a level proportionate to your "expertise," then I will join in as well. I will even provide phone numbers, names and other inside tidbits. But, you guys go first. Share with the class or shut up and/or admit that you probably don't really know all that much other than Monterreydude's personal agenda, which hustles gringos into a specific club and hotels.

No deal, for the reasons I indicated before. It simply is not worth it to us to engage in revealing anything beyond logistics or generalized personal recommendations.

And, regarding Monterreydude. I met him about 11 years ago. I did not know him from anyone other than to read his postings on ISG. I was initially reluctant to meet directly with him because I did not know where he was coming from. I was just not sure that I wanted to meet with someone that I had met on-line. Your suspicions are understandable, and they're natural to have. But, ultimately, natural and normal suspicions are simply not true with respect to Monterreydude.

I certainly did find his advise to be very helpful, and especially his map of the city, which by the way, details all the strip clubs, MPs, Hotels, and the Casas in Monterrey, with no particular favor being made obvious on his maps, a further testament to his lack of bias in being of assistance regardless of one's perferences. That map, by far, demonstrates Monterreydude has no agenda with respect to hustling anybody anywhere. I found out after meeting with him, probably several months after coming to Monterrey initially, that he is totally and completely legit, and that he had no agenda to take me anywhere in particular. He does favor, personally, the clubs, but not because he has any particular agenda or self serving motivation other than to socialize within our hobby. He doesn't favor the high end bars, for the normal reasons...they are too expensive for what you get. I found out he is not quite as cheap about it as I am, frankly.

Dare I say, club guys are much more sociable, and enjoy the comradery of other mongers. The bar scene is the venue where the comradery is available. That is the one and only reason he makes that effort at all, not for any self serving monetary advantage. I would not expect you to understand. You don't care about the comradery between mongers. That is not a slam to what you prefer with respect to mongering, but it just demonstrates that your evolution in the hobby is such that you do not apparently appreciate the satisfaction of attending the clubs beyond just the obvious.

CB: Unspongebob: What, pray tell, is a "False Opinion?" LOL. Stop working so hard to satisfy your master and realize that you've been shaped according to Monterrydude's whims.

False opinion is when someone has a particular opinion with no experience to back it up. You yourself admit that you do not go to the bars. How can you have a legitimately earned opinion if you don't go to the bars?

Your accusations are getting old with respect to the argument that I am somehow attempting to placate Monterreydude. If you read our banter on this website alone relative our frequent disagreements, you'll see that my opinions are totally my own. Ask Monterreydude directly if you want to. We disagree ALL THE TIME!!! :-) And, on substantive mongering theory...

CB:And as far as "letting it go:" I had let it go and even expressed my intention of leaving the forum. I was gone for several days and, still, the attacks continued. What am I supposed to do when some fool attacks you with lies and words he put in your mouth and says that you know nothing, don't even live in Monterrey or that you're some sort of spy for another establishment?

Your desire to continue the rhetoric is what perpetuates the disagreement. And, I did not accuse you of anything with respect to being a spy. I just said that your behavior is characteristic of a troll or a spy. You still have not revealed details that would suggest you know anything whatsoever about the city. I don't have to prove to you, or anyone else, the level of my legitimacy with respect to my experience on the ground in Monterrey. To any that lurk here or know me, the suggestion that we know nothing is laughable. First of all, to most that have followed this thread over the last ten years, calling either of us uninformed about Monterrey is ridiculous. But, you have your opinion. It really doesn't matter to me if you think we are informed or not. Those that have met us know we are for real.

CB:The fact of the matter is that two members have been allowed to hijack the thread and anything not focused on stroking their egos is quickly done away with and the few real reports with real info on them are quickly buried in a mass of personal messages back and forth between the two and inside references that only mean something between the same pair.

We often banter back and forth, and sometimes have messages that are meaningless. I know, that is kind of useless, and I apologize. But, the reality is, nobody is posting anything here, sometimes for weeks on end. How does occasional banter back and forth stop you from posting...It does not. But, as I said before, you will often see that some do post regularly about their escort experiences, and you will not see any interference or comments regarding their legitimate and honestly written reports. We only comment when we see glaring and ridiculous comments that are inconsistent with what we know is true or false in our own personal experience.

CB:Are the clubs owned by the cartels?

Well, I know several of the club owners personally. If you attend the clubs for many years, they recognize you, and they will come over, shake your hand, and acknowledge you as their loyal patron. Who can say whom is and is not directly related to "the cartels," or organized, or unorganized criminal syndicates. That's not something I ask them...."Hey, buddy, whom did you kill today?" :-)

But, honestly, it seems to me that the profitability of the bars is not really something that "the cartels" would be particularly interested in when you consider the profitability of drugs.

I mean, if you were more exposed to the bars, which you say you are not, you would see the constant effort required to keep some of them open, and some of them profitable. The owners are constantly changing the way they go to market due to losses. Are the bars an outlet for drugs sales, certainly, but not necessarily on an organized basis. The lower level independent drug dealers just find their market there, just like in many, many bars in the USA.

CB:Are the clubs frequented by the cartels?

The clubs are frequented by Cartel members. Mostly, the Cartel members are in attendance for the same reasons we are, to see the girls, period. And, often, once they have found a girl there, they are relatively disinterested in the bar scene, and maintain their harems of girls apart from the bars. Frankly, the upper level members have money, and simply do not need the bar scene...of that you can be 1000% certain. What you see in the bars in the lowest of the low. Were you to categorize them as Cartel members, that's fine, but they are stooges for the most part, many of them want-to-be's, and/or underlings with little or no influence within their criminal organizations. But, the REAL vast majority in attendance are the working class, no meaningful connection to the Cartels or organized crime. Just plain old working class guys blowing off a little steam. That's it...

CB: Have there been shooting and other altercations at the clubs previously? Yes!

Shootings? The Givenchy murders were with knives. And, by the way, it isn't completely uncharacteristic for their to be violence in bars once in a while. It happens quite frequently in the USA, and the incidents of it occurring in the bars of Monterrey are no more frequent than any other major city in the USA, hence my analogy to Chicago. Shall we find the crime and violence statistic in the bars of Chicago for you, or are you willing to accept that conclusion?

Should we have access to any info involving our safety in Monterrey? Yes!

Yes we should...but you haven't provided any. You can scream the sky is falling all day long, but you've provided no specifics. You have no direct experiences to relate other than what you've been reading. Lets be honest, had you any direct experience in the bars you would have revealed it, we would have checked it out, an either confirmed or denied it. If you want to post specifics about your MP girls or names and phone numbers of specific escorts you've know, please proceed. I advise you against doing so to preserve your own circumstances with them. But, you're the one advocating specifics, right? But, I see nothing from you with respect to specifics. You're the one advocating specifics, I'm the one refusing to provide specifics for the reasons I've already outlined. Why, if you truly advocate specifics be posted, haven't you revealed the details of your own experiences? You are quick to ridicule us for posting non-specifics, we have given you valid reasons why we choose not to, and you persist in criticizing us when you have posted nothing with respect to specifics. You're the advocate of specifics...If you truly believe your own rhetoric why haven't you posted with specifics?

CB: Those were me points and the rest is just my personal preference for not dealing with the strip club scene when there are many reasonable alternatives available.

There are many alternatives available, and nobody has chastised your preferences.

CB: The truth is that going to the Oxxo for a Coke is NOT as dangerous as walking into El Infinito, as Unspongebob has tried to indicate. And the type of blatant, guerrilla-style violence and extortion does NOT compare to gang violence in the poorest sections of Chicago. No, Unspongebob, the chance of violence at the low-end strip clubs is not 0/0 as you have written.

I wrote that the statistical evidence is that the chance of violence is 0/0. And, I dare say, the level of violence and "shootings" in or near El Oxxos are higher, statistically, than in the bars. I can also find those statistics if need be, but I suspect any thinking individual will reason that the incidents within El Oxxo is higher than in the bars. The Cartels are not confined to the bars. They are everywhere, and they are in and out, often, of El Oxxo. If you truly lived in Monterrey, and ventured out of your apartment with any frequency, you would have noticed the Cartel members in El Oxxo. Violence and danger are everywhere, but it's not mutually exclusive to Monterrey, the bars, or uncharacteristic of the USA. You are correct regarding the guerrilla violence. But, you're wrong about extortion and the activities of organized crime in a city like Chicago. The organized crime syndicates in the US are just more intelligent than the cartel members in Monterrey. Plus, organized crime in the US is more sophisticated, realizing that to involve the general public with such notoriety is very detrimental to their business. So, they are much more subtle. But, rest assured, they control Chicago. Regarding the gang violence, there is a huge number of gang related killings in Phoenix, Chicago, New York, LA, and many US Cities much smaller than Monterrey in size...the violence is not as dramatic as in Mexico at times, and the violence occurring is not as sensationalized by the US media at times, but the US gang members, and innocent bystanders in drive-bys are still just as dead.

CB: Everybody coming to Monterrey should know that the city is alive and that there are plenty of girls available and that, if you play smart, you should be safe. But, be aware of where you enter. And if you can avoid contact with these cartel scumbags, then please do so. That's why I would recommend the high-end MPs over the clubs at this point, especially for those only coming to town for short and/or infrequent visits.

No argument that you are entitled to your opinion about the high end MPs, or that they offer some nice girls. But, I take issue with respect to cost versus time spent. But, I must admit, a lot of guys don't want the girls to hang around 4-6 hours with them. They prefer that the door hit them on the ass 45 minutes later. That's fine, no argument from me with respect to individual preferences. But, I am free to express my preferences too. For the same price, or slightly less, I prefer to enjoy the totality of their charm for as long as possible for the price, and not just screw them and run. To each his own...

CB: Why put yourself out there and run any risk at all? And, yes, don't be stupid...of course there's risk whenever you drink alongside cartel enforcers and extortionists for hours at a time.

None of us spends hours at a time. We frequently hit and run. Frankly, I am just too bored to sit hours on end. Plus, I am there for one reason, and I am relatively swift at finding and getting what I want. The entire agenda for me with respect to the clubs is to find them and take them out of the bars. I am not adverse to socialization, and often enjoy the bar scene for that, but I am not probably quite as fond of it as some who attend the bars. Monterreydude typically enjoys the socialization of the bars more than I do. But, he is a local, with fluent language skills. He has many friends that socialize in the bars. For him, it is natural to enjoy the bar scene. But, he also has other motivating factors at home that restrict salida activity compared to my level of salida activiy, making his antics more often confined to the bar environment than on salida.

CB: I'm really looking forward to it and having it resemble many of the other threads on the ISG where the experts band together to guide newbies and help them in the open forum. I can't wait. In no time at all, this board will spring back to life and truly represent a very nice mongering scene here in Monterrey.

No, we will NOT be contributing specifics openly in the forum, other than logistical help and opinions. And, we will be commenting freely, without restraint on whatever subject we choose, provided it relates to mongering. We will follow forum rules of course.

You are perfectly free to comment as you please. I invite you to post anything specific without intervention. But, if you post opinion, you will be met with polite opinion...that's only fair right?

If you post personal experiences, then we have nothing to dispute provided your experiences seem honest. But, if your postings are inconsistent with other "facts" about Monterrey, things we know directly to be untrue, then we will likely believe your post to be BS. In that event, we will likely post our opinion that your post seems inconsistent with the facts on the ground in Monterrey, we will reveal why we feel that way, and you can support the part of your post that we believe is inconsistent by providing specifics, and we can start this all over again...Fair enough?

Since you're new to the board Chester Boy, perhaps you're unaware of the "ignore user" feature of the forum software (click on User CP on the links just below InterenationalSexGuide -> Mexico -> North Mexico -> Monterrey... then along the left side you'll see buddy/ignore list). If you don't like what MonterreyDude or USB say, then ignore them. You won't be the first and they won't take it personally. I've found their posts very helpful over the years and have met MonterreyDude in person several times now. He's a stand up guy and an asset to ISG. But that's just me.

Although you're quick to criticize the signal to noise ratio of this board, 100% of of your posts have been criticisms of two people in particular. How is that improving the level of discourse? Rather than getting schoolboy arguments longtime members you [b]could lead by example[/b] and submit reports yourself. You could write the definitive guide to Monterrey if you wanted to. But instead you criticize other people's posts and come across as an internet tough guy.

Comparing the Monterrey section to the rest of ISG isn't helpful either. Monterrey is different than other cities in Mexico and around the world. It is less of a destination monger city than others so there's not a lot of tourists coming in with trip reports like you see in TJ, BKK, etc. There's not a lot of trip reports because many of the regulars like MonterreyDude and USB go to the same bars and have regulars and so will add commentary when necessary or answer new people's questions.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]There's no need for Monterreydude and his pet dog to fly into a rage because I dare to say that Monterrey can be dangerous[/QUOTE]

Actually, you have it the other way around.

Monterreydude is my pet dog. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woff, Here boy, here boy, here boy, here Chester, here Chester, here Chester...

I think I'll turn into a troll too...Bring it on baby! :-)

[QUOTE=Super Gato]Since you're new to the board Chester Boy, perhaps you're unaware of the "ignore user" feature of the forum software (click on User CP on the links just below InterenationalSexGuide -> Mexico -> North Mexico -> Monterrey... then along the left side you'll see buddy/ignore list). If you don't like what MonterreyDude or USB say, then ignore them. You won't be the first and they won't take it personally. I've found their posts very helpful over the years and have met MonterreyDude in person several times now. He's a stand up guy and an asset to ISG. But that's just me.

Although you're quick to criticize the signal to noise ratio of this board, 100% of of your posts have been criticisms of two people in particular. How is that improving the level of discourse? Rather than getting schoolboy arguments longtime members you [b]could lead by example[/b] and submit reports yourself. You could write the definitive guide to Monterrey if you wanted to. But instead you criticize other people's posts and come across as an internet tough guy.

Comparing the Monterrey section to the rest of ISG isn't helpful either. Monterrey is different than other cities in Mexico and around the world. It is less of a destination monger city than others so there's not a lot of tourists coming in with trip reports like you see in TJ, BKK, etc. There's not a lot of trip reports because many of the regulars like MonterreyDude and USB go to the same bars and have regulars and so will add commentary when necessary or answer new people's questions.[/QUOTE]Super Gato, thanks for the tip. I wasn't aware of the ignore function. I will be using it since both of these guys have (not surprisingly) refused to answer the call for a specifics-laden Monterrey board with real mongering info.

And, please, go back and read my initial post. I was merely stating that members with info concerning security issues shouldn't be insulted, shouted down and run off. As was the case when a new member tried to mention something that a chica told him. The defensive tone and attacks began AFTER Monterreydude's condescending and aggressive reply to me. Maybe in your world, you let people talk to you like that, but I refuse to put up with it. And then I even said that I'd be willing to leave if my presence caused such a stir, and STILL Monterreydude and his lady friend had to resume the attacks while I was away.

So, please spare me the garbage about me attacking them. If they had not been so aggressively condescending, this would've been over.

As far as the help given to you. I don't even know who you are. As Unspongebob is free to state that I am some sinister figure looking to destroy the good name of El Infinito, I am also free to state that you may very well be Unspongebob or Monterreydude using a bogus screen name, one drudged up whenever they need someone to defend them from people who want trip reports in a site dedicated to trip reports.

Again, I ask the cosmos, because you guys just don't seem to get it: what the hell is so wrong with asking that respect be given to members who report safety-related stories. And why is it a sin to ask that some, any, important info be shared on this thread?

You know, when you're on something like the ISG, you have to assume that many of the people checking in are doing so for the first time and have ZERO knowledge of the city. For them, simple things like pricing, level of girls available, neighborhood info, and other logistics info is invaluable. They shouldn't be forced to register an account, purchase a membership to get PM access and then contact these two guys personally where they will be directed right at El Infinito. Most of the people who actually and truly need this info will not jump through all the hoops and they will just arrive with ZERO info unless they get it elsewhere.

If these guys are the leaders of this thread, then they should act like it, update info as needed and not lord their expertise over everyone else, making them beg for it and then attacking all those who dare to challenge them.

Sorry, but even in this pretend internet world, right is right. Respect my opinions, respect me and keep the snide comments to yourself. Points can be disagreed with, but how does "You are a fool! " You know nothing! " "Your an imposter" help the discourse?

I've already offered the olive branch and the chance to turn this ship around. Both Monterreydude and Unspongebob have refused. My responses will end when the attempts to discredit and belittle me do. I was the one initially attacked or would you prefer that this be handled like if it were the Mexican legal system: The loudest voice wins?

This is done for me, I'm just waiting for these two guys to finally stop.

How can anyone blame me for not posting specifics when they've plastered the board from the very beginning with crap about me representing other businesses or having an ulterior motive in posting here? How can I win if I have to post amidst these attacks? Everything I post will be seen as proof of my "agenda. " If I say I like Misses, they say "See? He's working for them. "

Because I'm being jumped on after every post, anything I say will be filtered through their insults. So, What's the point?

That's why I offered to bury the hatchet and start posting reports if they would drop the negativity and start doing so as well. But, they refused. So, that shows you that they care more for their standing as resident "experts" than for the overall health of this thread and the financial, personal well-being of the general monger coming to Monterrey.

Recently I was referred to Anel, from the MTY extra curric. group, and set a date. Unfortunately? I was unable to make the date. Do any of you guys have any worthwhile info on her? It's Anel not Annel, apperantly two different girls.

You would have loved Annel, Bbond.
When was this??? Recent or further back history??
She has retired to a civilian job. I know as a fact she still does services, but she is limited to afterhours.
So its complicated for her.

Recomend her... YES, she's hot, and no kidding, she loves it.



[QUOTE=Bbond]Recently I was referred to Anel, from the MTY extra curric. group, and set a date. Unfortunately? I was unable to make the date. Do any of you guys have any worthwhile info on her? It's Anel not Annel, apperantly two different girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Y
When was this??? Recent or further back history??
[/QUOTE]

About the middle of June. I exchanged several e-mails with her and stayed at the hotel she recommended, but it just didn't work out, my fault, not hers.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]They post regularly about their experiences, in detail, and they receive absolutely no comments from me. I am not into the escorts, but I appreciate their contributions. [/QUOTE]

Well maybe it would help if you did comment. People look up to you and respect what you have to say, since you are extensively experienced in the hobby in Monterrey & elsewhere. If someone posts a report here and they don't receive any reply from you (or anybody), and instead see their report get buried and drowned out amongst all the other "in crowd" gossip, they're going to assume they're not wanted and their experience and opinion not valued, so they will move on and post elsewhere. I think it would help the forum if you encourage new participants; ask them questions, tell them good job, maybe add your own experiences which complement theirs (but in doing so don't try to steal their thunder). People want to participate, and people appreciate receiving interest & comments on their reports, especially from guys like you who they look up to. It really does mean a lot. If you just ignore them you are not helping to build a community.

Part of being a leader is sharing the wealth and developing next generation leaders. Being a leader is not a contest about who can post the most information, or who knows the most about tabledance bars. If after 10 years, the forum still hasn't developed any new leaders it seems there is some failing. I don't really believe that in that time there haven't been a lot of new guys coming down there. There really shouldn't be that big a barrier to entry to participating on a monger site. Monterreydude is a different case from you because he lives there and is the de facto person everyone meets.

Atrapa corriente tráileres y autos en carretera Nuevo Laredo-Monterrey; cierran

They say closed for at least 2 days....

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Hi Blourghas,

Well, I have four criteria for making commentary...

1. If I have direct experience that I think is relevant, and provided it won't inhibit my own circumstances on the ground in Monterrey, then I am likely to sometimes comment.

2. If I see information posted that I believe is contrary to the reality that exists in Monterrey, solely for the benefit of fellow members, I will usually comment with a clarification of the facts on the ground so others can make informed decisions should they be planning a trip to Monterrey.

3. If I post a "report," which is rare for me these days due to the danger that specifics present to my fun on the ground, I must have direct experience, or opinion that draws upon current, recent direct experience.

4. If I see inflammatory commentary, especially about any forum member whose acumen in the hobby is well established, someone I am personally acquainted with, I will post commentary in support of them. When the inflammatory commentary is bogus, the offending poster appears to have an agenda, or the offending poster's comments suggest the potential for a self serving reason to post false or inflammatory commentary, then I am usually motivated to comment, often directly making accusation to draw them into the open first and apologizing later.

I used to think that any commentary was better than none. Frankly, I still believe that. My personal opinion is that banter between regularly contributing members, the ones who are probably responsible for 80% of the useful content in this forum to begin with, offering never ending reports, advise, and recommendations, both publicly and privately within the PM system, keeps the forum alive. And, when I say regularly contributing members, I am including all of us that have contributed and/or currently do contribute publicly or privately through the PM system.

But, I have also been repeatedly criticized for engaging in what you describe as "in crowd" banter. In an effort to humor my detractors, I decided to go comparatively silent, in order to enable all that "they" claim may be inhibited by my participation, an opportunity to contribute to the forum.

Literally, I have been silent for weeks at a time for months upon months with this in mind, often resisting the urge to comment out of loyal obligation to give the "inhibited" their free reign. During this period of self exile from the forum, I have noticed little or no participation, little or no posting, little or no activity, certainly none in comparison to what was the former Monterrey board under the former regime.

Frankly, there have been times when checking this forum night after night, that I thought the server operating this forum had been hit by lighting, or that the authorities had locked up Jackson...just completely dead.

So, I have indeed played the leadership role as you suggest by going silent. I often lurk for weeks upon weeks, checking the forum almost nightly, sometimes several times a night, waiting for the formerly inhibited to post their plethora of reports that were formerly inhibited by our ""in-crowd" banter.

Yet, except for the banter we've engaged in here for the last week or so, there is virtually nothing to read...night after night, checking the forum, and virtually nothing. Oh, an occasional report about an escort or an MP now and then. And, those are fine, they are appreciated. But, they are not my chosen venue. So, for my part, I am still relatively disinterested. And, ISG is not for my total gratification, so hopefully the MP and escort guys get something useful from the kind mongers that post their experiences in those venues.

I know, I should pay more attention, I might learn something, I might want a good escort or MP sometime. So, yes, those reports are valuable and appreciated. But, you get what I mean. Comparatively, the forum has little or nothing to offer night after night, certainly nothing like the other forums or even like the other sections of ISG.

But, some of that has to do with other locations being actual mongering destinations, and not just a two-bit sex entertainment venue. Monterrey is, after all, not a real mongering destination. It's a sex entertainment destination. There is a huge difference between the two if one has traveled the World and seen the distinction first hand, believe me.

So, it seems that even with the board wide open, it's just as dead as it always has been, and probably will be. Without the regular posters, this forum is as dead as a doornail. I see nothing but trolls looking to break the monotony. Can you blame them? This is the most fun I've had in months.

And, frankly, they've been successful in doing exactly what I was criticized for doing before, except our "in-crowd" gossip was not inflammatory, and/or full of false opinions, etc...

Well, the forum is now ALIVE...But, alas, nobody's posting anything substantive still. They, meaning the inhibited, either agree with my philosophy, that to post too much in the way of specifics is to risk your own enjoyment of the hobby, or there simply isn't anybody more knowledgeable than the few regular contributors we do have that generously post their direct legitimate experiences.

I happen to believe that there just aren't many in Monterrey willing to post anything of substance, that they prefer to either banter back and forth like enemies, engage in "in crowd" gossip (like me), hide, keep their secret honey pots to themselves, or lurk.

I have no obligation to contribute or to lead the forum, having contributed volumes of information already in the public sense, and remaining available via PM to help when requested to do so. So, the end result, I am virtually silent, waiting for the throngs of inhibited to post their titillating experiences. And, in all fairness, were I to return to an increased level of participation, posting reports, etc...then I would require tolerance on the part of the inhibited. They aren't going to give in, I mean, they are trolls, right? So, I will eventually fade into the background once again.

Except, of course, I just can't help myself when these trolls show up. I just find my resistance to the constant and excruciating boredom to be simply too much to bare, and I fling myself wildly into the fray. :-) Sorry about that!

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]
As far as the help given to you. I don't even know who you are. As Unspongebob is free to state that I am some sinister figure looking to destroy the good name of El Infinito, I am also free to state that you may very well be Unspongebob or Monterreydude using a bogus screen name, one drudged up whenever they need someone to defend them from people who want trip reports in a site dedicated to trip reports.[/quote]
Yes, I'm actually both MonterreyDude and USB. Super Gato is a sockpuppet account that is used solely for defending the MonterreyDude and USB accounts. The hundreds of posts here and on other boards with trip reports and answers to questions are completely fictitious. In fact, MonterreyDude and USB are just one person: A 40 year old virgin that lives in his mom's basement in Indiana. He's never been to Monterrey or anywhere else.

Congratulations for discovering the conspiracy.

[quote]Again, I ask the cosmos, because you guys just don't seem to get it: what the hell is so wrong with asking that respect be given to members who report safety-related stories. And why is it a sin to ask that some, any, important info be shared on this thread?[/quote]
I saw this exchange and it was respectful. But you have to deal with the source of the hearsay and compare it to the preponderance of evidence.

If a dancer and customer were shot at Infinito, MonterreyDude and/or USB would be the first to report on it. There would have been numerous people reporting here and the other monger boards. It would be on the news and in the papers. If I believed everything a dancer said, they're all working their way through school and they could use some extra money because their mom is sick.
[quote]You know, when you're on something like the ISG, you have to assume that many of the people checking in are doing so for the first time and have ZERO knowledge of the city. For them, simple things like pricing, level of girls available, neighborhood info, and other logistics info is invaluable. They shouldn't be forced to register an account, purchase a membership to get PM access and then contact these two guys personally where they will be directed right at El Infinito. Most of the people who actually and truly need this info will not jump through all the hoops and they will just arrive with ZERO info unless they get it elsewhere.[/quote]
Wow that would be great wouldn't it? But it isn't like that and your complaining isn't helping. You want to provide a newbie's guide to Monterrey in the same spirit as Brockton O'Toole's Tijuana Guide, knock yourself out. Jackson might just put it on the ISG front page. But you have to write it. I'm sure with six years in MTY you'll have no problem.

Both of MTYdude and USB do answer people's question in the forum. A lot of times MTYdude will actually meet people out at the bars (not just Infinito) and show them around. These guys are not part of some Infinito conspiracy to draw gringos into their bar and cover up the shootings of dancers in the club.
[quote]If these guys are the leaders of this thread, then they should act like it, update info as needed and not lord their expertise over everyone else, making them beg for it and then attacking all those who dare to challenge them.[/quote]
USB and MonterreyDude post a lot but frankly there's not a lot of traffic on this board because it isn't a big sex tourism destination. The locals and expats know the locations and there's not a lot of new news. The same clubs are there. People pop in and ask questions and they get an answer usually from USB or MonterreyDude because those guys visit the forum often. Again, there's not a huge insider conspiracy.
[quote]Sorry, but even in this pretend internet world, right is right. Respect my opinions, respect me and keep the snide comments to yourself. Points can be disagreed with, but how does "You are a fool! " You know nothing! " "Your an imposter" help the discourse?[/quote]
This is the best thing I’ve read! In the same post where you accuse me of being an imposter you complain about calling people imposters.

As in real life, respect is not guaranteed. It is earned and you’ve done little to earn any. Sorry if the participants in the forum aren’t up to your standards.

I am one of those that prefer the bars. I like the atmosphere and I like the selection. I am one of those that prefers the hunt, as in the paraphrased quote "a diamond found in the rough is far more valuable than one purchased reliably."

I have been to the MP's. Last time I was there I went to one on the advice of someone that is a local and doesn't post here often. It was a great experience. $800 pesos for a girl that was at least an 8.5 in the light of day. On my way out they wanted me to write down for management to see how I scored the time with her. I gave her 99 out of 100. Get that at a club....

Compared to later that night when I pulled a girl out of Tangalay which I thought was extremely hot. In the light of the hotel room she dropped from a 9 to a 7. Experience was good, not great. Wasn't GFE but it was all access. I might repeat if nothing better was found. Total cost was $1350 for 2.5 hours. Total cost for the hunt around $2000.

I still prefer the clubs. I got 3 hours of hunting, which I enjoy, and over 2 hours of "driving in victory lane"; for a total cost of probably 400mx an hour including drinks, privado or two, cigar, and taxi. Cheaper than playing golf and probably more of a sport.

Personal preference is where it's at. Also, at what the high end MP's cost, I can get that here in the US. Really. Are the bars safe? probably not as much as I believe. But I was also in a strip club in the US when a group of local gang members came trolling in. I soon left because I felt there was more of an element of danger from them than any of the cartel members I have seen in Monterrey.

They are saying here that the roads will be closed till Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Bbond]Atrapa corriente tráileres y autos en carretera Nuevo Laredo-Monterrey; cierran

They say closed for at least 2 days....

[url]http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=190050[/url][/QUOTE]

SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.



[QUOTE=Super Gato]Yes, I'm actually both MonterreyDude and USB. Super Gato is a sockpuppet account that is used solely for defending the MonterreyDude and USB accounts. The hundreds of posts here and on other boards with trip reports and answers to questions are completely fictitious. In fact, MonterreyDude and USB are just one person: A 40 year old virgin that lives in his mom's basement in Indiana. He's never been to Monterrey or anywhere else.

Congratulations for discovering the conspiracy.


I saw this exchange and it was respectful. But you have to deal with the source of the hearsay and compare it to the preponderance of evidence.

If a dancer and customer were shot at Infinito, MonterreyDude and/or USB would be the first to report on it. There would have been numerous people reporting here and the other monger boards. It would be on the news and in the papers. If I believed everything a dancer said, they're all working their way through school and they could use some extra money because their mom is sick.

Wow that would be great wouldn't it? But it isn't like that and your complaining isn't helping. You want to provide a newbie's guide to Monterrey in the same spirit as Brockton O'Toole's Tijuana Guide, knock yourself out. Jackson might just put it on the ISG front page. But you have to write it. I'm sure with six years in MTY you'll have no problem.

Both of MTYdude and USB do answer people's question in the forum. A lot of times MTYdude will actually meet people out at the bars (not just Infinito) and show them around. These guys are not part of some Infinito conspiracy to draw gringos into their bar and cover up the shootings of dancers in the club.

USB and MonterreyDude post a lot but frankly there's not a lot of traffic on this board because it isn't a big sex tourism destination. The locals and expats know the locations and there's not a lot of new news. The same clubs are there. People pop in and ask questions and they get an answer usually from USB or MonterreyDude because those guys visit the forum often. Again, there's not a huge insider conspiracy.

This is the best thing I’ve read! In the same post where you accuse me of being an imposter you complain about calling people imposters.

As in real life, respect is not guaranteed. It is earned and you’ve done little to earn any. Sorry if the participants in the forum aren’t up to your standards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]SG, our mythomanic friend posted that he's been living in Monterrey for the past 6 years.

It would be so easy for him to prove it, I mean, right now, what it means to be in Monterrey... you guys SG, and Bbond, specially Bbond in NL, get my meaning?

Nothing, from CB in this line of posts.[/QUOTE]

I rarely laugh out loud but but when I read that I may actually be a made up account that lives only to protect your and USB's honor I cackled.

And then at the bottom of his missive saying that he things calling people an impostor is bad in the same post where I was an impostor! Kettle, meet pot!

If CB wants to provide information and advice on mongering in MTY, I'd be happy to read the reports. But if all he wants to do is complain then he'll just go onto my ignore list.

@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.

What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]@Unspongbob - But that's my point! Going into exile is not facilitating discussion. Your style of either not replying at all, or else posting a 10 page novel (about which the first paragraph is on topic, and the rest is about something else) is not encouraging a healthy level of discourse. Quite frankly your long posts are frightening & intimidating to outsiders, and do not encourage discussion. After 10 years on the forum I would really expect someone to start showing more signs of leadership. No, as you said, it is not your obligation, because you are not the forum owner but just another member.

I go to MTY 1~2 times a month and go to the same bars with you, have the same friends of you, and even know some of the same ladies, but I don't really understand most of your posts - which might be a sign they are totally incomprehensible to outsiders. And quite honestly (and no offense intended personally), I don't think your reports are as useful as you think they are. A good quantification of whether this forum is useful is whether someone could piece together enough info to travel independently there. MonterreyDude is my friend, and has helped me find loads of ladies, but "PM MonterreyDude" is not a travel guide. I have been to most major Latin America cities and honestly don't find Monterrey particularly special or anything different as far as operation on the ground.

It should not take a troll like Chester Boy to start a discussion. The fact that members have to resort to being trolls be listened to should be a sign of something - maybe the forum is not as welcoming to new members and different viewpoints as it should be. I see guys on different forums start contributing immediately and get started and jump immediately in the discussion. I don't see that here. It's too much of a clique.[/QUOTE]

It's almost laughable for Sponge Bob to compare Monterrery to Chicago. When was the last time a hand granade tossed inside a local TV News station in Chicago?. Never? Well it occured in Monterrey a couple of days ago. When did the National Army and Federal Agents have a shoot out with drug cartels in downtown Chicago? Last time it happend in Chicago was during the 1920's prohibition. Again, this happend in the streets of Monterrey a few days ago on Pino Suárez entre la calle de 15 de Mayo y 5 de Mayo en el centro de Monterrey; close by the clubs. Monterrey was also recently flooded too. Monterrey is deadly right now; If you go take extreme caution.

Boys boys boys...!!!

Temper temper!!!

Very simply said as I know both of you in person and have read you for many years, is that you say the same things in different styles AND in both of you go to the same lengths to be very specific with details storywise.

Blourghus my friend, there is one difference.
You are one of the most experienced mongers I have ever met.
But, only me and a hanful have read you since you post your adventures elsewhere AND your even most personal level goes to another "where" different from "elsewhere".

USB, I've had this same discussion many years ago, but it all sums that USB loves to write, loves to spin his yarns and there is nothing wrong with this.
And I kinda like his style. So does a lot of mongers.

Yes boys, both of you, neither of you can cast the first stone, since both of you are the same, but different
And I am not kidding on this.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]What of my most recent posts did you not understand? I will gladly elaborate if you want me to explain my comments. My comments are written in proper English, so there should be no ambiguity.

The problem is, they're sometimes just not short and sweet, or dumb-ed down sufficiently to be easily scanned over, with little or no effort being necessary by the reader. I doubt that it's a matter of not understanding my posts, and more a matter of simply not wanting to read their length.

I can't be responsible for those that don't want to read them, and fail to comprehend them because they don't want to take the time to try to understand their content. Likewise, I am not responsible for those that don't understand perfectly proper English grammar. No, that's the school system's fault.

Furthermore, I find it really unbelievable that anyone would find my posts to be so frightening and intimidating that they are inhibited from posting anything for weeks and weeks on end, during a time that I post nothing, during a time when there are no other contributions to this forum to influence their participation.

Look, I am simply not going to dumb down my posts, or make them shorter if I want to write a long post. Those that don't want to read my long posts, or are bored by them, etc...they can simply put me on ignore, or even easier, just scan past them...Simple solution.

I've been on a self imposed exile because I don't want to endure criticisms from others insisting that I comment, that I take a leadership role, etc...but aren't happy with the content of my posts, the length of my posts, don't understand what I have to say when I do comment, want to hold me disproportionately responsible for the lack of viability of this forum...yet still want me to participate according to their own subjective whims.

That's precisely why I've been relatively silent, to prove a point. This way, from my perspective, there will be no disappointments, and I won't have to endure an unwanted responsibility. I won't have to be criticized for making off topic conversation, bantering with friends, writing long posts, writing posts that are not understood, etc...

Bottom line, I can get back to having fun rather than wasting time with those looking for some esoteric perfection from me. Other than toying with these trolls, and engaging in occasional banter with my friends to break the boredom of this forum, I will remain in relative obscurity for the benefit of all, but mostly for my own benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Dare I say, club guys are much more sociable, and enjoy the comradery of other mongers. The bar scene is the venue where the comradery is available. That is the one and only reason he makes that effort at all, not for any self serving monetary advantage. I would not expect you to understand. You don't care about the comradery between mongers. That is not a slam to what you prefer with respect to mongering, but it just demonstrates that your evolution in the hobby is such that you do not apparently appreciate the satisfaction of attending the clubs beyond just the obvious.[/QUOTE]

I actually am not more sociable. But I get your point because a lot of guys do like to monger in with others and have a camaraderie of it all (the king of all of this happens with CRT members at Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica...those guys spend all their time shooting the breeze while I swoop in and bang the girls)

I like the socialness of the bar scenes because I can buy a girl a drink and chat them up to get a feel for her personality and attitude. If there's not a spark, I send her on her way and get another until I find someone that will work. I also like the clubs with dancers because you can seem them naked so there's no surprises on the body department in the room. Being with dudes just gets in my way. In the places I've gone in the world I've pretty much researched it on the monger boards and go on my own. I do run into guys in the bar that want to chat me up but often times they'll be there at the wrong time when I'm hunting.

I try and post to the boards and answer people's questions as a way of paying back the community for all the help I got back in the day. I don't usually seek out meetups with posters here. Notable exceptions is I did meet up with MonterreyDude a few times. I also met up with Blourghus in Tijuana. And I try to meet up with them when they're in my town (TJ) or I'm in MTY. I missed meeting USB by a day or two one time I was in Monterrey.

In Mexico, I've only indulged in Massage Parlors in the DF...place called Action Sports Spa near the Four Seasons. I've enjoyed them in Costa Rica and Thailand as well. . The places that have the fishbowl lineup helps me satisfy my physical needs, but you can't get a good read on personality.

And with escorts you have to worry about bait and switch or wondering if there's an ugly face under that pixelated face. And again, no chance to get a good read of personality.

The boystowns in Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo have value priced door girls. Tijuana has the infamous alley girls. Although some of the girls are drop dead gorgeous, I still don't get a read of the personality I can over a chela or two.

So give me a bar any day. Which is why I love MTY so much. Enough of some of the most beautiful girls in the bars to keep my busy for years. My only complaint it is it too hot in the summer and too far away to visit more frequently.

But what makes the hobby so good is there's something for everyone. If a guy doesn't like the bars scene, that just means there's more girls for me.

Almost everything I write relates back to the subject of living, and mongering, in Mexico, whether some mongers recognize my posts as such or not. Discussions about the weather, boxing, football, politics, etc...do not provide direct recommendations about Mongering per se, but editorializing about issues that relate in some way to the subject of living, mongering, and negotiating the nuances of Mexican society are still quite relevant to mongering. Editorializing, by it's very nature, is often lengthy. That's what I do when I am not providing advice and recommendations through the PM system or within the forum. Besides, not much in the way of direct recommendations really deviates from what we've already posted 1000 times in the forum.

I fully understand that editorializing is not specific enough to be directly used to monger, that some do not appreciate my style, my content, that some do not have the literary fortitude, and/or apparently the time, to digest the content of my lengthy posts.

But, it isn't right to be "called out" on the one hand for my editorializing in the forum, and then be simultaneously asked to keep posting, but only to this or that person's criteria of acceptable standards. None of us owes this forum anything, and especially those of us that have tirelessly, and gladly, helped those asking for advice and recommendations for the last ten years.

In exchange, the trade-off will be no expectation with respect to our posting trip reports, or in divulging specific information that can easily be used against us. We have both been through that gauntlet before, and we have learned the hard way.

I am being brutally honest when I admit that I am in it totally for my own gratification, and not out of any patronizing desire to "help all the rest of mongering." At least I am being honest, rather than self aggrandizing, and trying to disingenuously make the reader believe that I feel some kind of benevolent motivation to help others. Don't misunderstand, I am pleased to help others, and will always respond to inquiries through the PM system, or when I see requests for help in the forum. But...

I have decided not to post trip reports, not to comment on specifics, but merely to editorialize. The forum gets my advice and recommendations when requested, and I get the satisfaction of editorializing when I feel like it. Fair is fair. Therefore, modifying my "style and content" to placate the sensibilities of others isn't really a reasonable expectation for my future contributions when you consider that my only motivation is my own satisfaction.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Boys boys boys...!!!

Temper temper!!!

Very simply said as I know both of you in person and have read you for many years, is that you say the same things in different styles AND in both of you go to the same lengths to be very specific with details storywise.

Blourghus my friend, there is one difference.
You are one of the most experienced mongers I have ever met.
But, only me and a hanful have read you since you post your adventures elsewhere AND your even most personal level goes to another "where" different from "elsewhere".

USB, I've had this same discussion many years ago, but it all sums that USB loves to write, loves to spin his yarns and there is nothing wrong with this.
And I kinda like his style. So does a lot of mongers.

Yes boys, both of you, neither of you can cast the first stone, since both of you are the same, but different
And I am not kidding on this.[/QUOTE]

I am, at times, somewhat of a lone wolf as well. It kind of depends on my mood. I think my being a loner at times has more to do with my impatience in working the process, finding her quickly, etc...I agree that using the clubs to find the best physically attractive and the most charming candidate is the most effective method compared to escorts and MP girls.

I find that when I am in the mood to take girls on salida I am less interested in socializing, and more impatient with the process in the clubs, etc...But, when I'm virtually satiated after having seen a lot of girls, then I'm more interested in just socializing in the clubs with a girl on my lap, etc...

And that's the distinction between the strip clubs. Some are more convenient for a quick selection for salida purposes, and some are better for just socializing. Hence, if someone wants a salida, then the lower level bars offer the quickest environment within the bar system. You can get in and out, and they cost less than the medium level bars. On the other hand, some real stunners can be found in the more comfortable medium and upper level clubs, but you'll pay incrementally more for the privilege as you move up the ladder.

There are just too many instances of the bait and switch being used in the escort venue. And, it must also be said that preferences vary quite substantially from monger to monger. So, while recommendations from others about the quality of certain specific escorts has a potential for being useful to some, there's no guarantee that any one monger, with all the individual tastes that exist, will specifically find them to be just as good as the original recommendation.

And, with respect to MP girls, so many of them have bodies that are not up to par in comparison to what can be more easily found in the strip clubs. My experience is that, statistically, many more MP girls have bodies that are typically older, flabbier, fatter, droopier, etc...So, finding one that's nubile within the MP circuit is much more difficult unless you find them at one of the upper level MPs, which will cost you the same amount as a strip club girl of equal quality, for less time spent. I can find strip club girls that are up to par with upper level MP girls, usually for twice the time spent, and the same or even less overall cost, the same with escort girls. If they spend forty five minutes, I get them for two hours.

With my criteria and preferences, it's a no-brainer for me that a selection from the strip clubs will offer a greater degree of satisfaction in the end than were I to spend the time in the MPs and culling through various escorts. But, to each his own. I've been down the road enough to know and understand my own psychology to the extent that my satisfaction is more likely if I invest the time in the strip clubs.

[QUOTE=Super Gato]I actually am not more sociable. But I get your point because a lot of guys do like to monger in with others and have a camaraderie of it all (the king of all of this happens with CRT members at Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica...those guys spend all their time shooting the breeze while I swoop in and bang the girls)

I like the socialness of the bar scenes because I can buy a girl a drink and chat them up to get a feel for her personality and attitude. If there's not a spark, I send her on her way and get another until I find someone that will work. I also like the clubs with dancers because you can seem them naked so there's no surprises on the body department in the room. Being with dudes just gets in my way. In the places I've gone in the world I've pretty much researched it on the monger boards and go on my own. I do run into guys in the bar that want to chat me up but often times they'll be there at the wrong time when I'm hunting.

I try and post to the boards and answer people's questions as a way of paying back the community for all the help I got back in the day. I don't usually seek out meetups with posters here. Notable exceptions is I did meet up with MonterreyDude a few times. I also met up with Blourghus in Tijuana. And I try to meet up with them when they're in my town (TJ) or I'm in MTY. I missed meeting USB by a day or two one time I was in Monterrey.

In Mexico, I've only indulged in Massage Parlors in the DF...place called Action Sports Spa near the Four Seasons. I've enjoyed them in Costa Rica and Thailand as well. . The places that have the fishbowl lineup helps me satisfy my physical needs, but you can't get a good read on personality.

And with escorts you have to worry about bait and switch or wondering if there's an ugly face under that pixelated face. And again, no chance to get a good read of personality.

The boystowns in Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo have value priced door girls. Tijuana has the infamous alley girls. Although some of the girls are drop dead gorgeous, I still don't get a read of the personality I can over a chela or two.

So give me a bar any day. Which is why I love MTY so much. Enough of some of the most beautiful girls in the bars to keep my busy for years. My only complaint it is it too hot in the summer and too far away to visit more frequently.

But what makes the hobby so good is there's something for everyone. If a guy doesn't like the bars scene, that just means there's more girls for me.[/QUOTE]

The idea of "monger meetings" as it applies to this discussion is very interesting. I have two different modes. For things like the old NLBT meetings where I was going down there regularly, it was more about meeting with the guys (most of whom didn't come down as much), and maybe I could help try to help guys hook up with the lady they had their eye on or whatever (I'm not about taking taking/giving recommendations of specific ladies either because I march to a totally different drummer when it comes to that). I looked at myself as more host, and if I got with a lady myself that was cool, but if not then whatever. It was not the top priority but more was hanging out with friends (which is mostly I see how MonterreyDude is). On the other hand for intercontinental destination I don't get to frequently it's all about precision focus on the ladies, don't bother me because I'm busy, and I don't even really read the monger forums typically to know or care who the big players are.

However, I do think there is a certain confusion between this forum and the monger meetings which take place in Monterrey. Those are essentially private gatherings where this particular forum is a bigger, more public forum. This forum is at least as I see it, not an extension of that but just a different microcosm of the whole mongering world. There are guys who post here who do not meet for the gatherings in Monterrey, and there are guys who meet in Monterrey who have never logged in here. And then there's a whole host of guys go to Monterrey but who have done neither. The whole Monterrey world is 100x bigger than this forum, and also a 100x bigger than the lunch buffet meetings at Prestige. Thus, I find USB's attack (and accompanying call to "prove yourself") of anybody who he hasn't personally had a beer with to pretty offensive. It's a public online forum and discussions and standards should be conducted with what takes place on line and not elsewhere, and making references and requirements of admission which are off line is just creating an atmosphere of exclusion.

I respect USB and he is one of the truest & most honest guys on the boards today. I'm glad he participates heres, and it's just crazy we have never met but our trips just somehow never line up (let's change that, OK?). I'm just giving my feedback about the forum. I hope future guys who come and give a differing opinion, and question the forum's sacred cows, will be greeted more open mindedly. Instead of attacking, ask questions & understand. I have no problem with tearing apart someone's argument but ripping him apart just because he doesn't hang out with you is uncalled for. And if I came off as cranky it's just because due to the Laredo flooding I'm stuck here instead of being where I'd rather be .... in Monterrey.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]I find USB's attack (and accompanying call to "prove yourself") of anybody who he hasn't personally had a beer with to be pretty offensive. It's a public online forum and discussions and standards should be conducted with what takes place on line and not elsewhere, and making references and requirements of admission which are off line is just creating an atmosphere of exclusion. Instead of attacking, ask questions & understand. I have no problem with tearing apart someone's argument but ripping him apart just because he doesn't hang out with you is uncalled for[/QUOTE]
I have never been one to send a message of exclusion where someone lacks an "in-crowd" association. The "in-crowd" is regularly accused of that without there being one shred of evidence that it's occurring, or has occurred.

It is a defense mechanism used by those once challenged who can not support the content of their bogus posts, usually trolls. Anybody who doesn't think that Chester Boy was a troll, with no experience in Monterrey, is not paying attention to the content of his posts. Anybody that accepts the word of a bar girl, then represents it as true in light of the facts, does a disservice to the forum when those who we all know are knowledgeable about the Monterrey venue say that the bar girl is full of baloney. Notice, I did not say that Marius was full of it, but that the bar girl was full of it. There is a big difference.

My suspicions of certain posters on-line do receive my doubt, and often my inquisitive commentary, especially when I discern something in their posts that's inconsistent with respect to what I know is the real situation on the ground in Monterrey. If I discern in the content of their posts a potentially ulterior motive, or when their posts appear to have a disingenuous component to them, they receive my suspicion. And, certainly, they receive an even stronger forceful response when I am directly attacked by them, when they can not legitimize their questionable posts, or when other mongers I personally know are attacked by them.

Blourghas, you are genuine in your experience, in your mongering acumen, etc...yet, we have never met. I would never question the validity of your posts. I would never react as I have other than to defend myself. I know you're for real. As you said, we have some of the same friends, and association with Monterreydude, etc...

With respect to these trolls, those they consider themselves "our" enemies, and with respect to the want-to-be's who are trying to make us believe the bogus content of their posts are legit, I can smell them all a mile away, bogus screen names and all. If I respond to them, and it appears I'm being overly harsh, it's simple to discern if what I perceived in their posts is actual BS, or whether their posts have some validity. The only way we can do that when suspicion arises is to challenge them, politely, in the forum.

Accepting anything posted at the expense of legitimate information is no trade off. Their posting misleading information doesn't serve any of us well. We are wise to question posts that look a little strange in our own experience. And, my rule of thumb is to politely question their validity. If they escalate with offensive rhetoric, and they choose to get nasty, they will be met with the same level of discourse they perpetrate upon me.

Ok, enough said...I am going back into the abis now, and will allow all the inhibited their opportunity to post unmolested, providing they are not posting BS, or attacking me or mine...so, nobody else rattle my cage.

Blourghas, when you come back to Monterrey, send me a PM, or advise Monterreydude, and we can hook up. See you later... :-)

[QUOTE=Super Gato]I rarely laugh out loud but but when I read that I may actually be a made up account that lives only to protect your and USB's honor I cackled.

And then at the bottom of his missive saying that he things calling people an impostor is bad in the same post where I was an impostor! Kettle, meet pot!

If CB wants to provide information and advice on mongering in MTY, I'd be happy to read the reports. But if all he wants to do is complain then he'll just go onto my ignore list.[/QUOTE]Obviously, irony is lost on you.

It's hilarious the way you guys pile on when you are so obviously in the wrong.

The fact of the matter is this: Any new member who comes in and posts anything NOT to the liking of Monterreydude and Unspongebob instantly gets shouted down and has their reputations ruined. Who the hell, in their right mind, thinks anyone is silly enough to post on a forum for a city they don't even live in or, better yet, try to discredit some semen-soaked bar in order to pull clients away to their own business? Talk about delusional! And yes, 6 years in-city, 3 years visiting prior. Don't have to prove myself to anyone, don't have to prove myself to some self-important, prepotente middle-aged man who, for all I know, is among the same scumbag cartel members who he insists pose no danger to anyone.

As far as me posting real reports, you know my stance. I've offered the olive branch and it has been turned down. I was more than ready to put this all aside and begin a new chapter of co-op participation to the benefit of all those mongers who want logistics info that is not several years old. But Monterreydude and Unspongebob still intend on filling the board with inside banter and insist on lording any real info over the heads of members. You MUST address them personally to get anything of value. And it will cost you 20 bucks in membership fees to do so.

It would be so easy to provide some simple logistics info for the general public to read. I mean, these guys LIVE on this board and are allegedly locals, so what's the hang-up? Why insist on stroking your own ego by forcing everyone to address them personally for some very basic info? Nobody's asking for girls' private numbers or addresses. Just simple info that mongers can use when coming to town. But, again, they must come to THEM and, believe it, they better be nice about it or lord help them.

So, Super Gato, please inform yourself before jumping in.

How will this board ever get new members, active members when: 1) Any new members with opposing viewpoints are shouted down while having their reputations attacked and 2) Real info is actually discouraged by the most active, most senior members?

If anyone is doing any sabotage, it's these two guys.

Empty space is preferable to total clutter. Clear out the air for a few months and the trip reports will come back. They were here before Monterreydude and Unspongebob turned the thread into their Facebook accounts and they will come back.

Sorry if wanting to help the mongers upsets you. Put me on ignore.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I have never been one to send a message of exclusion where someone lacks an "in-crowd" association. The "in-crowd" is regularly accused of that without there being one shred of evidence that it's occurring, or has occurred.

It is a defense mechanism used by those once challenged who can not support the content of their bogus posts, usually trolls. Anybody who doesn't think that Chester Boy was a troll, with no experience in Monterrey, is not paying attention to the content of his posts. Anybody that accepts the word of a bar girl, then represents it as true in light of the facts, does a disservice to the forum when those who we all know are knowledgeable about the Monterrey venue say that the bar girl is full of baloney. Notice, I did not say that Marius was full of it, but that the bar girl was full of it. There is a big difference.

My suspicions of certain posters on-line do receive my doubt, and often my inquisitive commentary, especially when I discern something in their posts that's inconsistent with respect to what I know is the real situation on the ground in Monterrey. If I discern in the content of their posts a potentially ulterior motive, or when their posts appear to have a disingenuous component to them, they receive my suspicion. And, certainly, they receive an even stronger forceful response when I am directly attacked by them, when they can not legitimize their questionable posts, or when other mongers I personally know are attacked by them.

Blourghas, you are genuine in your experience, in your mongering acumen, etc. Yet, we have never met. I would never question the validity of your posts. I would never react as I have other than to defend myself. I know you're for real. As you said, we have some of the same friends, and association with Monterreydude, etc.

With respect to these trolls, those they consider themselves "our" enemies, and with respect to the want-to-be's who are trying to make us believe the bogus content of their posts are legit, I can smell them all a mile away, bogus screen names and all. If I respond to them, and it appears I'm being overly harsh, it's simple to discern if what I perceived in their posts is actual BS, or whether their posts have some validity. The only way we can do that when suspicion arises is to challenge them, politely, in the forum.

Accepting anything posted at the expense of legitimate information is no trade off. Their posting misleading information doesn't serve any of us well. We are wise to question posts that look a little strange in our own experience. And, my rule of thumb is to politely question their validity. If they escalate with offensive rhetoric, and they choose to get nasty, they will be met with the same level of discourse they perpetrate upon me.

Ok, enough said. I am going back into the abis now, and will allow all the inhibited their opportunity to post unmolested, providing they are not posting BS, or attacking me or mine. So, nobody else rattle my cage.

Blourghas, when you come back to Monterrey, send me a PM, or advise Monterreydude, and we can hook up. See you later.[/QUOTE]What a crock of BS. The guy who posted that bar girl story was immediately attacked by Monterreydude and when I piped up to say that it was ok to prove the info untrue, but not cool to attack someone for sharing what they heard, Unspongebob immediately questioned who I was, what I was doing, here and whether I even live in Monterrey.

Nothing I have said has been inaccurate and certainly not as inaccurate as Unspongebob saying that there is a 0/0 chance of violence at the clubs. THAT and Monterreydude's deflections of whether there is ANY violence in town, are TRUE misrepresentations, and things that could put mongers in danger.

This is what Unspongebob said in a previous post: "I am being brutally honest when I admit that I am in it totally for my own gratification, and not out of any patronizing desire to "help all the rest of mongering. "

Well, if that's the case, one has to question why Unspongebob posts so religiously on a public forum precisely dedicated to helping fellow mongers. A private yahoo group or Facebook page would allow him to post and communicate with his buddies, why opt to share for public consumption when you have no desire to share? If you don't care about helping, why not save the long, rambling, childish essays for PMs to your buddies? I'm beginning to question whether he knows anything about Monterrey at all except, of course, what Monterreydude has led him to.

I'll admit that I'm out of the loop when it comes to mongering logistics since I mostly just deal with the girls directly now. But I'd be willing to do research and meet Monterreydude and Unspongebob half way if they were also willing to drop the attitude that any real info be shared in private.

Believe it or not, most people who read forums like this are preparing to monger in a destination that they know nothing about. They want nuts and bolts info within quick and immediate reach. That's the nature of sex travel boards. People aren't here to read dozens of pages of private banter and essays on the human spirit. I suggest starting a blog for all those with esoteric, whimsical essays in their hearts. Most people are here to find out Who, What, When, and Where. And without having to grovel at the feet of those with the most experience.

As far as being a troll. I suggest that it's more trollish to hijack a public forum and turn it into an exclusive club.

Blourghus, supposedly they are opening one of the roads on Monday... dunno if the toll or free roads to Monterrey.



[QUOTE=Blourghus]The idea of "monger meetings" as it applies to this discussion is very interesting. I have two different modes. For things like the old NLBT meetings where I was going down there regularly, it was more about meeting with the guys (most of whom didn't come down as much), and maybe I could help try to help guys hook up with the lady they had their eye on or whatever (I'm not about taking taking/giving recommendations of specific ladies either because I march to a totally different drummer when it comes to that). I looked at myself as more host, and if I got with a lady myself that was cool, but if not then whatever. It was not the top priority but more was hanging out with friends (which is mostly I see how MonterreyDude is). On the other hand for intercontinental destination I don't get to frequently it's all about precision focus on the ladies, don't bother me because I'm busy, and I don't even really read the monger forums typically to know or care who the big players are.

However, I do think there is a certain confusion between this forum and the monger meetings which take place in Monterrey. Those are essentially private gatherings where this particular forum is a bigger, more public forum. This forum is at least as I see it, not an extension of that but just a different microcosm of the whole mongering world. There are guys who post here who do not meet for the gatherings in Monterrey, and there are guys who meet in Monterrey who have never logged in here. And then there's a whole host of guys go to Monterrey but who have done neither. The whole Monterrey world is 100x bigger than this forum, and also a 100x bigger than the lunch buffet meetings at Prestige. Thus, I find USB's attack (and accompanying call to "prove yourself") of anybody who he hasn't personally had a beer with to pretty offensive. It's a public online forum and discussions and standards should be conducted with what takes place on line and not elsewhere, and making references and requirements of admission which are off line is just creating an atmosphere of exclusion.

I respect USB and he is one of the truest & most honest guys on the boards today. I'm glad he participates heres, and it's just crazy we have never met but our trips just somehow never line up (let's change that, OK?). I'm just giving my feedback about the forum. I hope future guys who come and give a differing opinion, and question the forum's sacred cows, will be greeted more open mindedly. Instead of attacking, ask questions & understand. I have no problem with tearing apart someone's argument but ripping him apart just because he doesn't hang out with you is uncalled for. And if I came off as cranky it's just because due to the Laredo flooding I'm stuck here instead of being where I'd rather be .... in Monterrey.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]Put me on ignore.[/QUOTE]

As you wish.

Well I'll be smoking a peace pipe at Prestige towards the end of the week … everyone is invited (I am neutral third party mediator :-) ) One thing I have learned about my years in the forums is that actually meeting folks online is always a great time, settles petty differences online, and the friendships last a lot longer than the lady of the week.


Really want to get to NLBT for a night but road situation from Monterrey is unclear …… photos in the news look really grim.


And for some nuts & bolts info, what are the hours of the Prestige buffet? (I know I ask this like every other week but I always forget).
And is Diana still there?

Lunch buffette hours start at 1:30 pm to 6 pm



[QUOTE=Blourghus]Well I'll be smoking a peace pipe at Prestige towards the end of the week … everyone is invited (I am neutral third party mediator :-) ) One thing I have learned about my years in the forums is that actually meeting folks online is always a great time, settles petty differences online, and the friendships last a lot longer than the lady of the week.


Really want to get to NLBT for a night but road situation from Monterrey is unclear …… photos in the news look really grim.


And for some nuts & bolts info, what are the hours of the Prestige buffet? (I know I ask this like every other week but I always forget).
And is Diana still there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Lunch buffette hours start at 1:30 pm to 6 pm[/QUOTE]Get there before about 4:30pm Blourghus or you will miss out on the delicious french fries. To hell with the girls, verdad? Just kidding. Well, not really, the french fries our damn good!

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Blourghus, supposedly they are opening one of the roads on Monday... dunno if the toll or free roads to Monterrey.[/QUOTE]El Manaña reports today, Wednesday, that the road will open, at least partially, today.

[url]http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=190707[/url]

Further reading, it seems partially means only trucks with high ground clearance will be allowed to pass. They say the dam that flooded the highway has closed the flood gates partially to drop the amount of water flowing, but the level of the dam continues to rise so they may have to allow more water out soon. Just have to wait and see.

El Norte says that by tomorrow they'll open the toll highway partially, meaning that only 2 lanes will be for traffic for a stretch.

BUT now they are saying that Reynosa is in danger cause the Rio Grande is threating to overflow.

[QUOTE=Bbond]El Manaña reports today, Wednesday, that the road will open, at least partially, today.

[url]http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=190707[/url]

Further reading, it seems partially means only trucks with high ground clearance will be allowed to pass. They say the dam that flooded the highway has closed the flood gates partially to drop the amount of water flowing, but the level of the dam continues to rise so they may have to allow more water out soon. Just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]

Not even the disaster of the hurricane can stop the deadly gun battles in the streets of Monterrey. Went to infinito this weekend; they are not even padding people down anymore, not that it ever helped. Also another young lady told me no gun battles have occured inside infinito. I guess Carlos and Spongebob were right. It's still a very dangerous city; just be aware! Also, it seems that I'am getting more disappointed every time I go. I spend more but get less. WTF?

FYI, they don't pad gringos, they don't frisk well known customers and yes, after a hundred thousand posts, you finally accept you were mistaken.
Your fault for believing heaven knows who.

Apologies accepted.

Now, let us analize this: "Also, it seems that I'am getting more disappointed every time I go. I spend more but get less"

I thought you has a couple of GFs.... so, what happened?

By the way, hurricane Alex or no Alex, prices are going up at the clubs by like 10-15, even 20% more or less.
Girls still charge the same but drinks have gone up (TKT from 25 pesos to 30 pesos a can).

Cover charges at Prestige were 70, now 80 pesos.

Film at 11


[QUOTE=Marius 67]Not even the disaster of the hurricane can stop the deadly gun battles in the streets of Monterrey. Went to infinito this weekend; they are not even padding people down anymore, not that it ever helped. Also another young lady told me no gun battles have occured inside infinito. I guess Carlos and Spongebob were right. It's still a very dangerous city; just be aware! Also, it seems that I'am getting more disappointed every time I go. I spend more but get less. WTF?[/QUOTE]

They only frisk me if it's a newbie bouncer...With trustees, they don't concern themselves too much. Congratulations to Marius, he has attained "trustee" status.

But, I do like the idea they're frisking people. Let them frisk. But, they should do them properly so they're effective. If a frisk is done properly, it is very difficult to hide a handgun. The very smallest 380s are still easily detected if they frisk properly.

Just keep your eyes open and you're not likely to fall victim to anything other than a serious case of larceny in the privados, and when dealing with the waiters. :-)))

Disappointed? Take heart! The pool of eligible girls is slightly off due to vacations. Most of the girls have kids, and many of them feel obligated to go to the beach, visit cousins, go back "home," etc...

Things will improve around the end of August, and into the fall months. Soon the girls will start to think about preparing for the new school year. We'll see an improvement as their desperation for money escalates to a point of realizing how they can get some quick cash.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]FYI, they don't pad gringos, they don't frisk well known customers and yes, after a hundred thousand posts, you finally accept you were mistaken.
Your fault for believing heaven knows who.

Apologies accepted.

Now, let us analize this: "Also, it seems that I'am getting more disappointed every time I go. I spend more but get less"

I thought you has a couple of GFs.... so, what happened?

By the way, hurricane Alex or no Alex, prices are going up at the clubs by like 10-15, even 20% more or less.
Girls still charge the same but drinks have gone up (TKT from 25 pesos to 30 pesos a can).

Cover charges at Prestige were 70, now 80 pesos.

Film at 11[/QUOTE]

I have been going over a ton of pages in this block now and maybe I have missed the info in between the arguments.

Therefore, if someone can please help me with a quick summary I would be most grateful.

I will be going to Monterrey in 2 weeks, just stay a single night. I speak fluent spanish with very little accent as I live in another city in MX. White as an egg, though.

I will have 1 night free, maybe part of the morning. So what is the expert recommendation, Escort, massage parlor or strip club?

I will stay at the Crowne Plaza towards the center, is it GF?

I will look for a gem, if that can provide any sort of direction. Can anyone please help me with their expertise and point me in the right direction plus give an idea of what pricelevel to expect?

I shall return the favor if anyone plans to come down to Guad!

Thanks a lot.

spongebob.. no way this would occur chicago..comparing monterrey and chicago in terms of safety is almost laughable.

authorities found the remains of at least 38 people in a series of pits and rep001tered on the ground at a suspected drug-gang dumping site near the industrial hub of monterrey in northern mexico, an official said friday.

investigators were using heavy equipment to search for more bodies at the rural site outside mexico's third-largest city, local media said. photographs showed charred spots on the soil suggesting some bodies may have been partially burned.

nuevo leon state attorney general alejandro garza y garza said officials still had to inspect three more pits for bodies. he said 36 of the victims found so far are men and two are women.

the state attorney general's office in nuevo leon state, where monterrey is located, said more heavy equipment was being brought in to search the ground and pits where the remains were found.

the bodies were too badly decomposed for immediate identification, the office said.

the clandestine grave site, which was discovered thursday, was believed to have been used by drug gangs that operate in the area.

the mexican army did not offer any immediate information on how the site was detected.

nearly 25,000 people have been killed in mexico since the government launched an offensive against drug cartels in late 2006.

Everyone's taste is somewhat unique, and you didn't really mention your preferences for MPs, Strip Clubs, or Escorts. So, I will comment subjectively without any particular focus upon your own personal preferences. I am not experienced with the escorts, nor do I enjoy the MPs. So, other than to comment generally, I will leave more recently experienced specifics to another contributor.

Had I only one night, and a partial second day in Monterrey, I would put the following strip clubs on my agenda, not spending a lot of time in any one particular club, but looking for what may have potential in each, sampling them as the night progresses from about 9:30pm on. Earlier than 9:30pm is generally a waste of time, except in the lower end bars, where you can sometimes find afternoon shift girls that are pretty decent.

For me, "flitting between the clubs" means visiting them for a very brief period, like a butterfly, scoping out the talent, getting a general feel for the environment, and moving on to the next one on my list relatively quickly if the format or the selection is not to my liking. You can always scope them out and return to the ones that made an impression. But, there is enough variability between them that they are not always totally consistent night to night, week to week, month to month, etc...That's why I am often seen flitting from one to the other until I reach a conclusion as to which of them appears to be on their game for that particular night.

The bars I mention are relatively consistent in comparison to many others, but the fluctuation in quality of selection, etc...varies quite substantially in Monterrey, regardless of which ones might be recommended. Literally, you will find them to be great one night, and not so good other nights. That's a characteristic of all the bars in Monterrey...they are constantly in a state of flux.

Visit the bars in the area of Villagran and Carlos Salazar. You can walk between them. They are El Infinito, Givenchy, Tangalay, and Tengo. You are also relatively close to El Cielo on Arteaga, and to Beibis, across the street from El Cielo. El Cielo and Beibis are just to the East of Villagran and Carlos Salazar by about 4 blocks. They are all working class bars, and offer a very LOW comfort level with respect to relaxation. But, even though they are low level, some of them do have some really HOT, and cheap girls. They are not to be dismissed just because they cater to the lower classes.

Fact is, El Infinito often has girls that could easily compete with high end bar girls. I am frequently accused of steering people to El Infinito for some self serving motivation. The fact is, I steer them there because the price is outstanding for the quality of selection, and for the comparatively lower cost to take girls on salida, which is my own subjective criteria for assessing these bars. As I said, your criteria may differ.

If you prefer a more comfortable, not luxurious, but much more relaxing environment, I would recommend Casino, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilla, and Harem. They are all located within about a 5-6 block area along Avenida Madero, approximately 10-15 blocks to the East of Villagran and Madero. Some of them you can walk between, but they're not right next to each other like the working class bars I mentioned above that are located near Carlos Salazar and Villagran, which is just South of Avenida Madero and Villagran.

If you want to spend a lot of money for a high comfort level, and you enjoy the luxurious bars, more similar to what you might find in the US, you can visit Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, Amnesia, and there are several others. Just ask a taxi driver. They get commissions for bringing your there, and they'll be glad to take you to them, especially if you ask. They'll be salivating at the prospect of delivering you into their hands for a nice commission.

The prices will escalate 30-50%, maybe up to 100% more, low end to high end. With your fluency in Spanish, you will not likely be marked for scams by the girls or the waiters, no more so than you're already used to. So, you have a tremendous advantage over the Gringo visitor that has no fluency in the language and/or the customs of Mexico.

MPs are not my specialty. But, if MPs are your preference, I've been told, and I've occasionally sampled, Misses and Ramanos. They're upper level MPs, and the girls are top quality. The rest of the MPs are a crap shoot depending on the night of the week, whether the moon is full, etc...Having only one night, you simply don't have the time to visit them all to sample their quality and selection. With Ramanos and Misses, you will be assured of finding quality and selection. But, their cost will run you about $2000 pesos for approximately 45 minutes, possibly more depending on the selection. I don't frequent the MPs, and I've not been to either place for years, but the recommendations here seem to be consistent that those two places will not disappoint you, and the recommendations from other mongers that do like the MPs suggest that their quality and selection has not changed compared to my own past experience.

Compared to strip club girls, lower end girls can be taken on salida from the lower class bars for about 350 pesos, paid to the bar, + the girl's fee, which is usually between 1000 pesos and 1500 pesos, and sometimes slightly more if they are truly exceptional.

Medium level bars will cost you about 750-850 pesos for the bar fine, and the girls will ask for 1200-1500 pesos. You can still sometimes get the medium level bar girls for 1000 pesos depending on the girl.

The higher end bars are going to cost you much more for any kind of salida action. 3000-5000 pesos for the girl is not uncharacteristic if you want to take them on salida, and I am not sure what the bar fine might cost as I have NEVER done it from the higher end bars. I have, however, made dates with higher end girls, and they've not charged me more than 1000-1500 pesos when they meet me on their off time. But, that usually requires some time spent getting to know the girls first over lengths of time so that they feel safe, develop a quasi friendship with them, etc...You don't have that kind of time.

Average time spent by strip club girls is from 1.5 to 2 hours. If you want more time, you can usually pay a double salida fee to the bar, then negotiate with the girl as to her fee for extra time. But, I have often received increased time from the girl if I decide to pay a double salida fee to the bar, yielding up to 4 hours, and they don't usually charge me more. It depends on the night of the week. I believe they're much more willing to go, and not chance losing the opportunity to make 1000 pesos, when things are slow for them in the bar. Were I to proposition them with the prospect of an extended salida, ie: 4 hours or more, on a weekend night, most of them would ask more money to compensate them for their opportunity loss in the bar.

Since you live in Mexico, you are well acquainted with the risks of being in Mexico, verdad? So, I will not escalate the rhetoric concerning the dangers of Mexico by commenting any further on the hysteria propagated in this forum over the escalated dangers that do exist in Mexico.

I think the discussion concerning the dangers in Mexico, which we all agree do exist, should be off limits with respect to any future postings unless a monger has a direct experience they can personally relate as happening to them.

Hope that helps. Others can chime in with their recommendations...Good Luck!

[QUOTE=Borregos77]I have been going over a ton of pages in this block now and maybe I have missed the info in between the arguments.

Therefore, if someone can please help me with a quick summary I would be most grateful.

I will be going to Monterrey in 2 weeks, just stay a single night. I speak fluent spanish with very little accent as I live in another city in MX. White as an egg, though.

I will have 1 night free, maybe part of the morning. So what is the expert recommendation, Escort, massage parlor or strip club?

I will stay at the Crowne Plaza towards the center, is it GF?

I will look for a gem, if that can provide any sort of direction. Can anyone please help me with their expertise and point me in the right direction plus give an idea of what pricelevel to expect?

I shall return the favor if anyone plans to come down to Guad!

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Everyone's taste is somewhat unique, and you didn't really mention your preferences for MPs, Strip Clubs, or Escorts. So, I will comment subjectively without any particular focus upon your own personal preferences. I am not experienced with the escorts, nor do I enjoy the MPs. So, other than to comment generally, I will leave more recently experienced specifics to another contributor.

Had I only one night, and a partial second day in Monterrey, I would put the following strip clubs on my agenda, not spending a lot of time in any one particular club, but looking for what may have potential in each, sampling them as the night progresses from about 9:30pm on. Earlier than 9:30pm is generally a waste of time, except in the lower end bars, where you can sometimes find afternoon shift girls that are pretty decent.

For me, "flitting between the clubs" means visiting them for a very brief period, like a butterfly, scoping out the talent, getting a general feel for the environment, and moving on to the next one on my list relatively quickly if the format or the selection is not to my liking. You can always scope them out and return to the ones that made an impression. But, there is enough variability between them that they are not always totally consistent night to night, week to week, month to month, etc...That's why I am often seen flitting from one to the other until I reach a conclusion as to which of them appears to be on their game for that particular night.

The bars I mention are relatively consistent in comparison to many others, but the fluctuation in quality of selection, etc...varies quite substantially in Monterrey, regardless of which ones might be recommended. Literally, you will find them to be great one night, and not so good other nights. That's a characteristic of all the bars in Monterrey...they are constantly in a state of flux.

Visit the bars in the area of Villagran and Carlos Salazar. You can walk between them. They are El Infinito, Givenchy, Tangalay, and Tengo. You are also relatively close to El Cielo on Arteaga, and to Beibis, across the street from El Cielo. El Cielo and Beibis are just to the East of Villagran and Carlos Salazar by about 4 blocks. They are all working class bars, and offer a very LOW comfort level with respect to relaxation. But, even though they are low level, some of them do have some really HOT, and cheap girls. They are not to be dismissed just because they cater to the lower classes.

Fact is, El Infinito often has girls that could easily compete with high end bar girls. I am frequently accused of steering people to El Infinito for some self serving motivation. The fact is, I steer them there because the price is outstanding for the quality of selection, and for the comparatively lower cost to take girls on salida, which is my own subjective criteria for assessing these bars. As I said, your criteria may differ.

If you prefer a more comfortable, not luxurious, but much more relaxing environment, I would recommend Casino, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilla, and Harem. They are all located within about a 5-6 block area along Avenida Madero, approximately 10-15 blocks to the East of Villagran and Madero. Some of them you can walk between, but they're not right next to each other like the working class bars I mentioned above that are located near Carlos Salazar and Villagran, which is just South of Avenida Madero and Villagran.

If you want to spend a lot of money for a high comfort level, and you enjoy the luxurious bars, more similar to what you might find in the US, you can visit Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, Amnesia, and there are several others. Just ask a taxi driver. They get commissions for bringing your there, and they'll be glad to take you to them, especially if you ask. They'll be salivating at the prospect of delivering you into their hands for a nice commission.

The prices will escalate 30-50%, maybe up to 100% more, low end to high end. With your fluency in Spanish, you will not likely be marked for scams by the girls or the waiters, no more so than you're already used to. So, you have a tremendous advantage over the Gringo visitor that has no fluency in the language and/or the customs of Mexico.

MPs are not my specialty. But, if MPs are your preference, I've been told, and I've occasionally sampled, Misses and Ramanos. They're upper level MPs, and the girls are top quality. The rest of the MPs are a crap shoot depending on the night of the week, whether the moon is full, etc...Having only one night, you simply don't have the time to visit them all to sample their quality and selection. With Ramanos and Misses, you will be assured of finding quality and selection. But, their cost will run you about $2000 pesos for approximately 45 minutes, possibly more depending on the selection. I don't frequent the MPs, and I've not been to either place for years, but the recommendations here seem to be consistent that those two places will not disappoint you, and the recommendations from other mongers that do like the MPs suggest that their quality and selection has not changed compared to my own past experience.

Compared to strip club girls, lower end girls can be taken on salida from the lower class bars for about 350 pesos, paid to the bar, + the girl's fee, which is usually between 1000 pesos and 1500 pesos, and sometimes slightly more if they are truly exceptional.

Medium level bars will cost you about 750-850 pesos for the bar fine, and the girls will ask for 1200-1500 pesos. You can still sometimes get the medium level bar girls for 1000 pesos depending on the girl.

The higher end bars are going to cost you much more for any kind of salida action. 3000-5000 pesos for the girl is not uncharacteristic if you want to take them on salida, and I am not sure what the bar fine might cost as I have NEVER done it from the higher end bars. I have, however, made dates with higher end girls, and they've not charged me more than 1000-1500 pesos when they meet me on their off time. But, that usually requires some time spent getting to know the girls first over lengths of time so that they feel safe, develop a quasi friendship with them, etc...You don't have that kind of time.

Average time spent by strip club girls is from 1.5 to 2 hours. If you want more time, you can usually pay a double salida fee to the bar, then negotiate with the girl as to her fee for extra time. But, I have often received increased time from the girl if I decide to pay a double salida fee to the bar, yielding up to 4 hours, and they don't usually charge me more. It depends on the night of the week. I believe they're much more willing to go, and not chance losing the opportunity to make 1000 pesos, when things are slow for them in the bar. Were I to proposition them with the prospect of an extended salida, ie: 4 hours or more, on a weekend night, most of them would ask more money to compensate them for their opportunity loss in the bar.

Since you live in Mexico, you are well acquainted with the risks of being in Mexico, verdad? So, I will not escalate the rhetoric concerning the dangers of Mexico by commenting any further on the hysteria propagated in this forum over the escalated dangers that do exist in Mexico.

I think the discussion concerning the dangers in Mexico, which we all agree do exist, should be off limits with respect to any future postings unless a monger has a direct experience they can personally relate as happening to them.

Hope that helps. Others can chime in with their recommendations...Good Luck![/QUOTE]See? Was that so hard? A real, meaningful post that could actually help someone coming to town. And you didn't even make him beg for it. My job is done here.

But ya had to sneak this in:

"I think the discussion concerning the dangers in Mexico, which we all agree do exist, should be off limits with respect to any future postings unless a monger has a direct experience they can personally relate as happening to them."

Stubbornly silly. So, if there's even a hint of danger in the city, we should bury our heads in the sand? We shouldn't mention what happened at the Holiday Inn because it didn't happen to us? LOL. You are still insisting that people come to town with blinders on.

But, good job, overall. You're trying and that's what counts. I'm done here, finished with dealing with the drama.

And I graciously accept Monterreydude's apology despite him not being man enough to issue one for his horribly self-important and dismissive tone whenever dealing with someone who won't meet with him personally or allow themselves to be talked down to...I know his type, work with them daily. Pure bully. Not an ounce of man in their souls...all children.

Thanks you unsponge, this was a great summary that I shall put to the test. I will take your suggestion and try the clubs as you suggest and report back on the adventure. Again, thank you very much for sharing.

Guys, I had a close call, but in the sense that I had close call with a stroke.

Had a stressfull couple of past days, so I guess that would be the reason.

I'll be around though. Taking it easy.
Anyway, doctors orders, no clubs for a while. No bowling (that is going to kill me), nothing on being virtual, so that at least is a plus.

Yeah, club life isn't particularly good when trying to take it easy...Hope you are doing better, and we will see your return in the near future.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Guys, I had a close call, but in the sense that I had close call with a stroke.

Had a stressfull couple of past days, so I guess that would be the reason.

I'll be around though. Taking it easy.
Anyway, doctors orders, no clubs for a while. No bowling (that is going to kill me), nothing on being virtual, so that at least is a plus.[/QUOTE]

I was glad to be of assistance believing the gentleman to be legitimate in his inquiry. I will always respond to a legitimate inquiry. I responded not to entertain the hordes of trolls that might be lurking in the background, but in response to someone's request for specific information. I no longer typically write "reports." It's too much work.

I commented about the dangers to illustrate that anyone living in Mexico must contend with it's dangers. The gentleman said he lives in Mexico, and he is fluent in the language, and quite familiar with it's customs. He has little choice about whether to be in Mexico or not. And, truth be known, most Mexicanos would rather die than leave their beloved Mexico, even with the problems that Mexico endures these days.

I sometimes feel like I would rather die than leave my beloved Monterrey. The choice is living an arguably safer existence in the US, under it's draconian, sexually inhibited cultural restrictions, laws, and sexo-social feminazi idiology, or having almost unlimited access to beautiful, willing, nubile, hot Mexican Girls, without all the BS inhibitions found in the USA. Believe me, a safe existence in the USA, from that perspective, is NO TRADE...I will risk death, yes, death...sex is really high on the list of motivators, verdad?

The point is, the gentleman is mongering, and he has little choice about whether he has the luxury of hiding under his bed in the USA. That was the point of my comments relative to the dangers, that there are millions upon millions living their daily lives in Mexico, living life, and a few of them end up murdered by drug dealers, most of them directly involved in the drug trade.

And, here is the BIG Question of the day Chesterboy...Where were your recommendations for the Gentleman?????? You said you have lived here for six years. But, you seem to have nothing to contribute with respect to legitimate knowledge when there's a legitimate inquiry.

Honestly, I was waiting for your contributions. And, that's why I mentioned at the beginning of my post that other members could guide the gentleman with respect to escort services and MPs. I thought that was your venue of choice, that you had expertise with the escorts...There was your open invitation to contribute your wealth of knowledge.

I invited anyone with knowledge of those other venues, or of the strip clubs for that matter, to comment. Yet, even as you represent yourself as a local resident and knowledgeable about the escorts, we heard nothing from you...why is that?

And, that is the last comment I will make on the subject...These exchanges with you are beginning to bore me, and I'm sure they are equally boring to the other forum members.

But, I had to tell Monterreydude to get well, and in the course of signing on, I decided to take the time to titillate the trolls. Fact is, I am starting to believe that you miss me...I am going dark again. So long...

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]See? Was that so hard? A real, meaningful post that could actually help someone coming to town. And you didn't even make him beg for it. My job is done here.

But ya had to sneak this in:

"I think the discussion concerning the dangers in Mexico, which we all agree do exist, should be off limits with respect to any future postings unless a monger has a direct experience they can personally relate as happening to them."

Stubbornly silly. So, if there's even a hint of danger in the city, we should bury our heads in the sand? We shouldn't mention what happened at the Holiday Inn because it didn't happen to us? LOL. You are still insisting that people come to town with blinders on.

But, good job, overall. You're trying and that's what counts. I'm done here, finished with dealing with the drama.

And I graciously accept Monterreydude's apology despite him not being man enough to issue one for his horribly self-important and dismissive tone whenever dealing with someone who won't meet with him personally or allow themselves to be talked down to...I know his type, work with them daily. Pure bully. Not an ounce of man in their souls...all children.[/QUOTE]

TROLLLLLLL...............

[QUOTE=Rapid1505]Seriously, I went back some pages on this forum, but I just found long ramblings by a handful of people, but nothing related the main topic of this forum.

Looks like I am not going to be having any fun in Monterey, thanks to the assholes on this forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Looks like I am not going to be having any fun in Monterey, thanks to the assholes on this forum.[/QUOTE] Forum members should not have anything to do with whether you have any fun in Monterrey.

From one asshole to a monger with only 5 posts, ask your questions on Monterrey.

We will be glad to help you out


[QUOTE=Rapid1505]Seriously, I went back some pages on this forum, but I just found long ramblings by a handful of people, but nothing related the main topic of this forum.

Looks like I am not going to be having any fun in Monterey, thanks to the assholes on this forum.[/QUOTE]

By the way, some friends told me there were a nifty amount of Americans at Infinito thursday night.
Anyone from this forum???? I was told that one went up with Syria.

[QUOTE=Rapid1505] topic of this forum.
Looks like I am not going to be having any fun in Monterey,.[/QUOTE]

Won't be anyone's fault but your'n.

I'm convinced that what we're dealing with here is likely some pimple faced kid sitting in their parent's basement on daddy's computer hoping to wack-off at any titillating trip reports he can find. And/or possibly someone interesting in playing the troll, enjoying the controversy they create by attempting to stir up legitimate members.

That's the maturity level being displayed by these most recent, formerly non-existent members.

These trolls have no intention of making the trip to Monterrey until they can shave, are out of the house, and they certainly don't live here in Monterrey. Frankly, I doubt if the offending persons have driver's licenses and can pull the car out of daddy's garage.

Literally, I have never heard of any legitimate adult male, and certainly no legitimate monger having an attitude that they'll have "no fun" due to our not posting titillating stories for them to jack off to.

Clearly, there is NO lack of information here. And, we are so easily available to answer any legitimate questions they may have with respect to helping them navigate that to represent they are not going to have any fun when coming to Monterrey is ridiculous.

No....The issue for them is that there is a lack of titillating stories they can jack-off to, and that's what motivates their rhetoric. No member is responsible to provide them with entertainment. Fact is, we have posted trip reports and recommendations by the hundreds over the years, just not the kind they can jack-off to.

Frankly, those of us that dabble in this all the time just don't care anymore about some BS story about what some monger did on his holiday vacation. In other words, some of us are not entertained by how many pops, whose ass they screwed, how long a dong they have, and/or their little catchy formula phrases so typically used by them, the little abbreviations, etc...which is what they've been seeking.

They haven't found the "titillation" they seek, and they're lashing out at us...we, of course, owe them nothing. We are regular members like everybody else. We don't provide specific details. We provide logistical assistance, and that's it. We learned long ago that specific details only serves to sabotage our own fun, period, not to mention that we are bored by the hot dog, self aggrandizing stories. We are mature in the hobby, verdad?

What about the reports from the guys that post here with their legitimate recommendations about the MPs and Escorts on a regular basis? They ain't chicken feed. And, they do so right along side the strip club guys. There is some very recent postings in the MP and Escort threads by the guys that legitimately post here regularly, guys that frequent those venues all the time. So, what are these trolls talking about, no information????? What about the MP and Escort postings? Why is it always our responsibility for their supposedly being no information for them to jack-off to.

We are always quick to come to the aid of anyone who is actually looking for logistical assistance and for generalized recommendations, as I just recently demonstrated by posting a detailed recommendation for "fun" just a few posts ago. So, the charge that there is no useful information here for pages and pages is total BS.

Is what I posted about club recommendations just a few posts ago useless information to the legitimate monger? Of course NOT! But, to the troll looking to wack-off, or wanting only to stir controversy, our contributions are simply not sufficient for them. And, I might point out, under the reports of distinction thread, there is information available to the legitimate monger looking for more specific logistical details if they're just too "frightened" to ask publicly in the forum.

What has been the issue, and has caused such controversy, isn't a lack of information or willingness to respond when asked for the kind of logistical help that will facilitate their mongering, but an attempt by the trolls to post misleading information, strictly for the purpose of causing controversy.

The unfortunate reality is, if it continues, those of us that do post might just begin to suspect that what we would have interpreted as legitimate inquiries in the past, we now suspect are just BS trolls representing themselves as legitimate mongers looking for information.

In my case, I am already suspicious that such foolishness is what has been going on most recently already. We may just decide that responding, even to what we would have otherwise thought were legitimate requests, might just be a total waste of time. After all, it's some work to write thoughtful recommendations, or relate information they can use to have fun. And, we don't owe anyone anything. We do NOT earn money from this site, nor are we affiliated with the biz in Monterrey.

So, If we begin to believe we are always just dealing with trolls, or enemies with some hidden agenda, and that our recommendations are for entertainment purposes only, or to antagonize us for antagonism's sake, then why put forth the effort.

Perhaps we need to screen all future inquiries to establish their legitimacy. Perhaps through the PM system, or perhaps we need to only provide information to mongers that give us specifics about when they'll be arriving so we can meet them in person, etc...I don't know the answer to separating the trolls from the many legitimate mongers we've met that actually do travel to Monterrey and go with us to the clubs personally. Maybe we only provide them details when we confirm that they're actually in Monterrey, and only then.

Some of us may just decide that the ratio of trolls to legitimate mongers is so large that to respond to what we would have otherwise thought were legitimate inquiries, are actually just trolls looking to wack-off in daddy's basement. In that case, it's likely that some might decide that the effort at responding to them with any useful information at all just "ain't" worth the BS without first confirming in some way that they are legitimate mongers.

In defense of mtydude and unspongebob, I mostly lurk and all my questions have been answered and the answers have been helpful. I've asked about other clubs besides infinito and have been given a list of suggestions. I have not met either, but they have always been helpful.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I'm convinced that what we're dealing with here is likely some pimple faced kid sitting in their parent's basement on daddy's computer hoping to wack-off at any titillating trip reports he can find. And/or possibly someone interesting in playing the troll, enjoying the controversy they create by attempting to stir up legitimate members.

That's the maturity level being displayed by these most recent, formerly non-existent members.

These trolls have no intention of making the trip to Monterrey until they can shave, are out of the house, and they certainly don't live here in Monterrey. Frankly, I doubt if the offending persons have driver's licenses and can pull the car out of daddy's garage.

Literally, I have never heard of any legitimate adult male, and certainly no legitimate monger having an attitude that they'll have "no fun" due to our not posting titillating stories for them to jack off to.

Clearly, there is NO lack of information here. And, we are so easily available to answer any legitimate questions they may have with respect to helping them navigate that to represent they are not going to have any fun when coming to Monterrey is ridiculous.

No....The issue for them is that there is a lack of titillating stories they can jack-off to, and that's what motivates their rhetoric. No member is responsible to provide them with entertainment. Fact is, we have posted trip reports and recommendations by the hundreds over the years, just not the kind they can jack-off to.

Frankly, those of us that dabble in this all the time just don't care anymore about some BS story about what some monger did on his holiday vacation. In other words, some of us are not entertained by how many pops, whose ass they screwed, how long a dong they have, and/or their little catchy formula phrases so typically used by them, the little abbreviations, etc...which is what they've been seeking.

They haven't found the "titillation" they seek, and they're lashing out at us...we, of course, owe them nothing. We are regular members like everybody else. We don't provide specific details. We provide logistical assistance, and that's it. We learned long ago that specific details only serves to sabotage our own fun, period, not to mention that we are bored by the hot dog, self aggrandizing stories. We are mature in the hobby, verdad?

What about the reports from the guys that post here with their legitimate recommendations about the MPs and Escorts on a regular basis? They ain't chicken feed. And, they do so right along side the strip club guys. There is some very recent postings in the MP and Escort threads by the guys that legitimately post here regularly, guys that frequent those venues all the time. So, what are these trolls talking about, no information????? What about the MP and Escort postings? Why is it always our responsibility for their supposedly being no information for them to jack-off to.

We are always quick to come to the aid of anyone who is actually looking for logistical assistance and for generalized recommendations, as I just recently demonstrated by posting a detailed recommendation for "fun" just a few posts ago. So, the charge that there is no useful information here for pages and pages is total BS.

Is what I posted about club recommendations just a few posts ago useless information to the legitimate monger? Of course NOT! But, to the troll looking to wack-off, or wanting only to stir controversy, our contributions are simply not sufficient for them. And, I might point out, under the reports of distinction thread, there is information available to the legitimate monger looking for more specific logistical details if they're just too "frightened" to ask publicly in the forum.

What has been the issue, and has caused such controversy, isn't a lack of information or willingness to respond when asked for the kind of logistical help that will facilitate their mongering, but an attempt by the trolls to post misleading information, strictly for the purpose of causing controversy.

The unfortunate reality is, if it continues, those of us that do post might just begin to suspect that what we would have interpreted as legitimate inquiries in the past, we now suspect are just BS trolls representing themselves as legitimate mongers looking for information.

In my case, I am already suspicious that such foolishness is what has been going on most recently already. We may just decide that responding, even to what we would have otherwise thought were legitimate requests, might just be a total waste of time. After all, it's some work to write thoughtful recommendations, or relate information they can use to have fun. And, we don't owe anyone anything. We do NOT earn money from this site, nor are we affiliated with the biz in Monterrey.

So, If we begin to believe we are always just dealing with trolls, or enemies with some hidden agenda, and that our recommendations are for entertainment purposes only, or to antagonize us for antagonism's sake, then why put forth the effort.

Perhaps we need to screen all future inquiries to establish their legitimacy. Perhaps through the PM system, or perhaps we need to only provide information to mongers that give us specifics about when they'll be arriving so we can meet them in person, etc...I don't know the answer to separating the trolls from the many legitimate mongers we've met that actually do travel to Monterrey and go with us to the clubs personally. Maybe we only provide them details when we confirm that they're actually in Monterrey, and only then.

Some of us may just decide that the ratio of trolls to legitimate mongers is so large that to respond to what we would have otherwise thought were legitimate inquiries, are actually just trolls looking to wack-off in daddy's basement. In that case, it's likely that some might decide that the effort at responding to them with any useful information at all just "ain't" worth the BS without first confirming in some way that they are legitimate mongers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]From one asshole to a monger with only 5 posts, ask your questions on Monterrey.

We will be glad to help you out[/QUOTE]Yup, point taken - only 5 posts, I have. I was in Monterrey only for 2 nights, and so was looking for info already on the forum to quickly come up with my plan there. I am guessing asking wouldn't have resulted in information in quick time - but based on how quickly i got lambasted for my comment, i guess i should've tried.

Thanks for the invite though - next time i will ask, rather than rant.

To the other guy, who thinks that i am pimply kid in my parents basement - well, take a look at the reports that i do have in this forum. I am guessing that you have some illness which results in the continuous verbal diarrhea that you subject everyone on this forum to. Please see a doctor.

Lets remember that your comments, calling regular contributors assholes, was the first shot. I mean, after all, it isn't like your comments were particularly nice. Calling people assholes is a really wonderful way to solicit their assistance.

I was perfectly justified. Not only that, ask anyone, but my post criticizing your rudeness was quite short in comparison to what I'm capable of, and certainly with respect to what you deserve.

So, you spent two days in Monterrey, but you apparently feel no obligation to post anything other than insults, even after calling the regulars here "assholes" for, according to you, not having done the very same thing you accuse us of.

My most recent post, #2211, was posted on 7/24/2010, and it gave detailed recommendations of where you could find some FUN in Monterrey. I guess you were too lazy to check back two pages, right?

So, is the purpose of your posting here just to insult, and cause controvery, or do you have anything to contribute...or are you just a moocher?

This guy is the problem...he calls the regular contributors assholes, ostensibly for not supplying him with information, information that's in plain view not two pages back, sufficient certainly to entertain anyone for two days in Monterrey, but he is too damned lazy to look for it, or to ask. That's assuming he's legit...From my perspective, he contributes NOTHING other than insults and controversy, and he didn't have the decency to read one page back for recommendations. I think I had him properly pegged the first time.

What is the definition of a troll again?

"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory messages in an online community with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."


[QUOTE=Rapid1505]Yup, point taken - only 5 posts, I have. I was in Monterrey only for 2 nights, and so was looking for info already on the forum to quickly come up with my plan there. I am guessing asking wouldn't have resulted in information in quick time - but based on how quickly i got lambasted for my comment, i guess i should've tried.

Thanks for the invite though - next time i will ask, rather than rant.

To the other guy, who thinks that i am pimply kid in my parents basement - well, take a look at the reports that i do have in this forum. I am guessing that you have some illness which results in the continuous verbal diarrhea that you subject everyone on this forum to. Please see a doctor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Lets remember that your comments, calling regular contributors assholes, was the first shot. I mean, after all, it isn't like your comments were particularly nice. Calling people assholes is a really wonderful way to solicit their assistance.[/QUOTE]Oh alright. I was just reacting. I did go back a couple of pages, but can you blame me for not reading carefully through each post if they are so long, and the first few I read had little to do with recommendations for Monterrey?

But seriously, this is the only thread that i have been to where there is so much content that is not related the primary purpose of why most people visit these threads.

I am sorry to have made the post I made, but minus the strong words, I maintain the main message in that post.

Ok, fair enough...no hard feelings here. What you must understand is that Monterrey is NOT Thailand, which appears to be the subject of your previous posts. As you are probably now aware, Monterrey is a far cry from Thailand. Monterrey is a sex entertainment venue, and not a mongering destination. So, you see a different level of participation within this forum than you have likely experienced on the Thailand forums and sites.

That having been said, we sometimes go for weeks with nothing posted here. We have many lurkers, some of which we know personally, and have enjoyed mongering with them when they come to town. But, few people post their experiences here...which is fine.

But, to keep the forum viable, we regulars sometimes engage in relatively meaningless banter so we will know we're all still alive. And, frankly, we have our share of instigators. Frankly, I believe most of them are simply bored shitless with the forum being so dead. Rather than continue to lurk, or remain silent, or contribute some substantive information, some prefer to stir the shit, apparently not really having any substantive information to contribute either. So, we have that element to deal with, while also trying to be as open and accommodating to those that are actually coming here and need information.

We welcome other reports, WE CRAVE THEM...but there simply aren't many legitimate contributors. We have a LOT of complainers that contribute nothing of substance, and can not seemingly tolerate the forum as it exists, yet they contribute little or nothing themselves. We wish they would.

Many guys are just like you are, they come to town, they sometimes ask their questions within the forum, but the majority send us PMs, and at their request, we address their questions privately. They get their answers, but few post their actual experiences.

So, that's why you see a lot of banter between regular posters. The regulars are the ones that do actually know something about the venue, and we do post it, gladly. But, truthfully, we have posted the same stuff so many hundreds of times over the last ten years that we just can't keep posting the same stuff all the time. It's just too redundant. So, we wait for mongers to ask us questions when they're planning to come to town.

Ok, so if you come back, you now have an explanation as to why you see so much chatter, and you know the best way to get good, timely information to enhance your stay. If you need recommendations, we're usually pretty quick to jump on it, provided we are asked nicely, and provided we aren't antagonized to the point of mistakenly categorizing you as a troll, or as one of the instigators hiding behind clandestine screen names, trolls in sheep's clothing.

Hope you had some fun anyway!

[QUOTE=Rapid1505]Oh alright. I was just reacting. I did go back a couple of pages, but can you blame me for not reading carefully through each post if they are so long, and the first few I read had little to do with recommendations for Monterrey?

But seriously, this is the only thread that i have been to where there is so much content that is not related the primary purpose of why most people visit these threads.

I am sorry to have made the post I made, but minus the strong words, I maintain the main message in that post.[/QUOTE]

And I also maintain that you should have had the patience to ask your questions.
Not just come in and wield a sword against us. That is why USB reacted as he did.

But honestly speaking, that's why we assholes are here. To point your way to the best in Monterrey.

Anyway, may we ask for a Monterrey report from you?
Anything good, anything you yourself can or not recomend that you found in your trip???

I mean, in a good meaning of the word, stop pointing and be a real monger and report.
Don't be part of the bunch that just takes advantage of the links, club references, names, places and then they go there and give nothing in return.

Like I said, I was informed that last thursday-friday a good amount of Americans visited Infinito.
I would like to know if they are from this forum.


PS: I might go back to mongering this week!!!! Not doctors orders, but he gave me a nice clean bill of health.
Only problem and he's right, I must avoid stressfull environments and the clubs are STRESSFULL!!!





[QUOTE=Rapid1505]Oh alright. I was just reacting. I did go back a couple of pages, but can you blame me for not reading carefully through each post if they are so long, and the first few I read had little to do with recommendations for Monterrey?

But seriously, this is the only thread that i have been to where there is so much content that is not related the primary purpose of why most people visit these threads.

I am sorry to have made the post I made, but minus the strong words, I maintain the main message in that post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]I must avoid stressfull environments[/QUOTE]

That's rich!!!! I guess you will be moving to the US, a place devoid of any stress? At the risk of stirring up our mascots, Mexico isn't particularly a relaxing panacea of tranquility these days. :-)))) But, the reality is, neither is the US. It certainly has it's aggravating elements.

So, the clubs are actually the exact prescription for you. Immediately resume your clubbing, and take a quadruple dose to counteract the effects of stress injected daily life, verdad?

The clubs are NOT to be avoided as our mascots love to suggest, but they are literally our shelter, our sanctuary, our haven, our REFUGE. They'll keep you healthy, happy, pacified, and "satiated."

Well, main problem at the clubs is the smoke.
Too much smoke coming from cigarettes. That's the main problem.


[QUOTE=Unspongebob]That's rich!!!! I guess you will be moving to the US, a place devoid of any stress? At the risk of stirring up our mascots, Mexico isn't particularly a relaxing panacea of tranquility these days. :-)))) But, the reality is, neither is the US. It certainly has it's aggravating elements.

So, the clubs are actually the exact prescription for you. Immediately resume your clubbing, and take a quadruple dose to counteract the effects of stress injected daily life, verdad?

The clubs are NOT to be avoided as our mascots love to suggest, but they are literally our shelter, our sanctuary, our haven, our REFUGE. They'll keep you healthy, happy, pacified, and "satiated."[/QUOTE]

Lets see, you were too drunk to do anything. And if you didn't do anything, how can you have much of an opinion?

I suggest that next time, you simply get drunk in a regular bar. You're right, why spend money on girls in any bar? After all, you are too drunk to enjoy them, right?

So, yes, you should just stick to the regular bars, not spend any money on the girls. That way you'll save your money in the privados, etc...after all, your focus is just getting drunk. So, why waste your time and money.

Or even better yet, why don't you just rent one of those blow up dolls, get a case of Tecate...you'll be all set. LOL

This is kind of intresting cause I have mentioned it sometimes while posting, other times while talking to the mongers: tourist traps... even for locals.

There are a certain amount of clubs that sway a little way into the "tourist trap" lable.
What I mean by that are clubs that will try to "rob" you while not caring if it will damage the business.

Main club that does this is Obsession.
While a favorite of mine for the lunch buffette, I never try going at the night shift there. Girls will double team you, act dumb and order double size drinks (double price too), the waiters will not tell you anything related to how much your tab has inflated to global proportions.
And by the time you order the check, you have been scammed. And there is no way on Earth that you will knock of drinks of the tab you never ordered and so on.

Next in line are the nefarious La Coneja and El Chocolate.
La Coneja, formerly La Zota, was world famous in Monterrey for dealing and whealing you even before setting foot inside the club.
Guys at the door charging an non existing cover charge, Getting a tab like fore example beers for 40 pesos when a sign clearly says they cost 30 pesos.
And on top of that, the waiter will charge you 50 pesos cause that will include his tip.

Same at El Chocolate, where the waiters will fume if you don't buy drinks for the girls or accept a girl that they bring to you.

At both la Coneja and El Chocolate, the waiters go through the roof when I order only one "agua mineral... no lemon or salt". Worse when I tell them that I am checking the girls, no money for them

Lastly but not least, Azul Tequila. You have to be a customer or know the waiters or they will charge you till you go blind with drinks if they more or less see you are drunk.
One time at Azul Tequila the waiter charged me 50 pesos for a 30 pesos "agua mineral", I just told him stright foward, "what? you think am a newbie or what????".
Went away pissed, mad, angry, whatever... but I did tip him 10 pesos, which more or less left him perplexed, told him I am a good with those that are straight with me.
Never saw him again, anyway.

I just wonder, if they do these to locals, what will be of the mongers coming to Monterrey???
Any of these has happened to you guys????

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Any of these has happened to you guys????[/QUOTE]

The most recent trend I've noticed is the bouncers hanging around the outside of the bars begging for tips. They are now found wandering between bars that are owned by the same people. One minute they're outside of beybi's, the next they are outside of Tengo, etc...They are boisterous and have displayed a certain level of "intimidation" with respect to begging for tips that I have never witnessed before in Monterrey, almost a taunting that suggests you owe them something. It goes beyond a polite request for tips, and borders on a disrespectful, potentially confrontational kind of approach on their part. Mind you, they have done absolutely nothing to deserve anything in the way of tips. Those that are experienced in Monterrey can handle it, but those that are infrequent, or first time, visitors might just find them to be a little over bearing to the point of feeling slightly intimidated by them.

Another example is a very common attempt to switch, for example, a 200 pesos bill to a 20 pesos bill, and to attempt to make you believe that you handed them only 20 pesos as payment on your tab. They will attempt it if they don't know you, or if the waiter is new, and they fail to realize you're not a newbie. Certainly, if you are a newbie visitor, make sure you make a spectacle of yourself to the extent that you exaggerate the fact that you are handing them a 200 peso bill, or whatever the denomination peso bill it may be that you're handing them.

Reforma Door Girls are quite enticing at times. Seriously, some of them really look pretty good standing out there. I frequently pass by them on the way to the Money Changer on the same block. I really mean that...But, for the serious monger here, the rest of this post is basically facetious sarcasm to counteract the trolls.

Anyway, from my perspective, the experience leaves a lot to be desired on Reforma. But, a "serious" recommendation was requested in the forum, and I am only toooooo glad to be of service.

Not too long ago, I decided after a long absence, to give one of the Reforma girls a try. The price is cheap for those that don't enjoy the club scene.

For those that find clubs like El Infinito too "dreary," and, oh yes, those overly priced 50 peso privados, and expensive 50 peso drinks, are so damned expensive, etc...

I mean, if you just want quick relief, the Reforma Girls are better than your hand. Well, not to me, but there are many different preferences here in the forum...so.

As an alternative for all mongers that do not favor the bars, and especially those that are outclassed by the lower end bars, finding them just too expensive, the door girls on Reforma are your only good potential option.

They will take you to a room in their nearby hotel, close to the alley where you'll see them standing. The rooms are not air conditioned, so you'll sweat like a pig the entire time you're there.

But, the price is right, and you don't have to even talk to them. So, you don't need to worry about whether you're on your game, you don't need any personality, or charm, cleanliness, etc...or much money...and you can be as drunk as you want to be and still feel like you're getting a bargain.

You just pay the money, around 400 pesos, plus this, plus that, etc... You see, they enjoy throwing various add-ons to the price which the mamasan will perpetrate upon you.

You'll get about 15 minutes of the 30 minutes promised, as they'll rush you along, asking you continually if you're finished yet.

And, of course, you might want to also shower, and you should also dispose of your garmets, when you get back to your hotel room because the beds in the rooms off of Reforma are...well, lets just say they aren't clean.

I mean, you don't want to pick up any bed bugs, or parasites, etc...And, seriously, maybe 15 minutes is about 10 minutes too long a time to be visiting there, with all the potential varmints you might possibly be picking up by merely sitting on the edge of the bed. So, getting 15 minutes instead of the 30 minutes promised is fine with me.

And, of course, you're on their turf, and there is no control of your personal belongings. You put your stuff in your shoe like you're on the beach, and you will need to keep an eye on your "honey" constantly, watching that she doesn't start to go through your stuff looking for a five-fingered propina, etc...

I guess that's what you're relegated to if the lower end bars, the El Infinitos of the world, are just too rich for your blood. 'Cause really, it ain't gonna be any cheaper at the decent MPs, and the lower MPs aren't any cheaper or more comfortable than the Reforma scene, nor are you gonna get any more time out of them.

And, of course, you can try an escort, but there aren't any cheap ones. Escorts are way out of your reach if the lower end bars are beyond your means. That's the problem...if you can't find a niche in the lower end bars, and/or you can't afford them, you certainly can't afford anything else but the Reforma street girls...maybe the street walkers on Madero, or if you really want an eclectic thrill, the transvestites down close to Harem may be your preferred cup of tea....I guess you're screwed otherwise.

My friends and I took our first trip to Monterrey last weekend. Infinito is the place to be. By far the best club in Monterrey in terms of dancers and cost (as judged by a nonspanish speaking gringo new to Monterrey but not Mexico). To be honest this is a loud and busy club but the girls in general are hot, young and supple; eager to service you. Almost all don't speak english. Dances/time with the girls upstairs is $5 USD per every 4 minutes. Oral is $15-20 USD on top of the time, full service is $30 USD plus the time cost. You pay the upstairs attendent the first $5, then pay the girl (before or after depending on the girl) and then pay the rest of your time bill to the attendent afterwards. I didn't have the courage to ask what happens if you don't have the money when it is time to pay. Time can be judged by the guys calling out the girl's names every 4 minutes, they will respond back if their mouth is available. The girls will quickly try to initate a full service session by welcomingly grabbing your crotch as they get the most money this way. A warning to the novice monger as to the initial awe that can result, the upstairs are open rooms with 3 sided cubicles, no curtains. Two fold-out chairs are provided for your "comfort". One will quickly see numerous girls servicing their clients in numerous ways in the black lighting. One however gets desensitived to the openess and later comes to appreciate it. I was very happy to see workers cleaning the cubicles/chairs/floor several times each night.

The clientale at infinito are mostly locals, neither high end or poor. A majority just drink and try to grope the girls for free on stage which they are somewhat successful at. No tipping is done. As a result a lot of girls have to stand around between sessions. We were pretty much the only americans etc there. The clientale either were either friendly to my american friends and myself or ignored us. Most don't speak english. I was glad my one friend could speak spanish. We never felt unsafe or too much out of place. The waiters are not too pushy. We befriended two waiters during the 3 nights we visited and this worked to our advantage, they helped us find each other and girls we were looking for.

As for my personal "experiences", my story must be told. During my 3 nights I took every hot girl I found upstairs to test them out with a full groping/dance session, some numerous times. Maybe half were willing to let me grind my face in their crotches. Every one tried to sell me sex and if they thought they had a chance, the more aggressive/willing they were. I always asked in broken spanish my friend taught me if they gave BBBJ's. Very sadly, only 3 out of some 20+ some hot girls said yes (and I usually can convince them otherwise with my sad puppy dog look). I had to pay $40-70 USD plus time for some great BBBJCIM action (well 2 out of the 3 were great). The one somehow managed to withdraw me at the very moment I finished, making a mess on my leg (F her, no pun intended, she was the not so good one). The other two took the shots like a pro and spit into the corner. These two were content with me relaxing and taking my time and were eager to please me. I found these two girls again on the next nights for an encore of their performances. Also during my last BBBJ session a hot girl who was getting pounded from behind in the cubicle in front of me was very eagerly watching me (as I was her) a very unique experience for me. It was kinda weird however when I was being serviced and janitors were cleaning right around us. I also partook in seriously good FS action where I was riden hard like a pack animal, with the girl moaning profusely (real or not). She also deep throated me (CBJ) with the appropriate deep throat sounds (it is not as loud upstairs). Needless to say I tipped her a little extra as this is beyond normal service.

So my advice is to save your time and money and go straight to Infinito. This is what my friends and I learned. We tried matehuala one night and it is very similiar in setup and costs as Infinito, except 1) the open cubicles are downstairs and 2) the girls are not as hot. Sure Infinito has some average or not so great looking girls but in general the Infinito girls are hot with a plethora of 6's and 7's and several 8's and 9's on the Thur-Sat evenings we were there. Matehuala only had a fraction of Infinito's quality. Also, I did find a rare BBBJ at Matehuala and the girl stopped every 10 secs to look around the corner, pissing me off. Sure enough the attendent comes over after 3 songs, interupts us, and starts to harass the girl and myself about the condom (I think for not paying the standard $3, this was all said in spanish). So I had to pay the $3. He encouraged me to continue but what for? I left and stiffed the girl by giving her only 1/4 asking since she didn't deliver BBBJCIM like I expected. So Matehuala can suck my balls (pun intended), this never happened at Infinito.

We tried La Spugna right around the corner of the Crowne Plaza where we were staying at. Huge mistake. They wanted $30 USD for just a lap dance and the girls were not even that good looking, 5's and 6's. Then I told my friends not to buy any girls drinks ever (they are new to all this). Sure enough they bought the girls at La Spugna some mini beers. Cost for each of the girl's mini beers when we left right soon after getting there? $12 USD. So never ever go to this place! Rip off.

We also tried Harem. This was a "medium" level club. And by medium level I mean you pay at least double for action here compared to Infinito. And the girls here while better in quality than Mat. And La S., could still not match the line up of presented at Infinito (and they literally line up the girls at Infinito every hour for you to inspect and choose). It was a little more relaxing here, but the girls are more aggressive at you buying them drinks, which we wouldn't do, pissing them off but then we were left alone. Infinito has little of this. At Harem, dances were $10 USD for two songs but the girl I took to test out was very uninspiring though attractive. She didn't even grab my crotch once, and in mexico, if a girl doesn't do this, I find it rude. Then my friend paid a girl for a dance and not the waiter or attendent and the waiter threw a fit (but not at us) and wasted a lot of time tracking her down before letting us pay our tab so we could go to infinito.

Also Tangley, or however it is spelled, across the street from Infinito was kinda dead and had not so good girls. A drunk girl kept harassing me and wouldn't let me leave her which I did after a short bit. She kept wanting $10 for a dance which I wouldn't pay above $5. She tried to kiss me and ended up biting my lip, I was pissed about both.

So in my opinion, if it matters to you, just go to Inifinito. Don't bother wasting your time or money at other places unless you are into that.

Here I will also briefly mention that we never encountered any violence of any nature or felt unsafe at any time/place in Monterrey. I am sure trouble could be found if one were to look for it or act like a ******* etc but we played it safe and kept our cool, took taxis etc. Monterrey is a very big city with a lot going on, the people we observed weren't acting at all like as expected judging from the media reports (I. E cowering in fear). They went about their business as usual etc. Don't be at all surprised when you realize the same. Keep your wits with you and you will be safe. Most of all enjoy your mongering!

Also if you don't speak spanish (or have a friend that does) and are uncomfortably with that fact (one can mostly get by without speaking spanish but special requests etc can be very difficult) then I suggest Tijuana (which I also love) for you where a decent percentage speak some English. As for me, I look forward to return trips to Infinito.

Just let me add on this that the regular price is 200 pesos.
100 for her, 100 for the hotel.
The price that USB quotes must include extras like full strip, various positions, etc.



[QUOTE=Unspongebob]Reforma Door Girls are quite enticing at times. Seriously, some of them really look pretty good standing out there. I frequently pass by them on the way to the Money Changer on the same block. I really mean that...But, for the serious monger here, the rest of this post is basically facetious sarcasm to counteract the trolls.

Anyway, from my perspective, the experience leaves a lot to be desired on Reforma. But, a "serious" recommendation was requested in the forum, and I am only toooooo glad to be of service.

Not too long ago, I decided after a long absence, to give one of the Reforma girls a try. The price is cheap for those that don't enjoy the club scene.

For those that find clubs like El Infinito too "dreary," and, oh yes, those overly priced 50 peso privados, and expensive 50 peso drinks, are so damned expensive, etc...

I mean, if you just want quick relief, the Reforma Girls are better than your hand. Well, not to me, but there are many different preferences here in the forum...so.

As an alternative for all mongers that do not favor the bars, and especially those that are outclassed by the lower end bars, finding them just too expensive, the door girls on Reforma are your only good potential option.

They will take you to a room in their nearby hotel, close to the alley where you'll see them standing. The rooms are not air conditioned, so you'll sweat like a pig the entire time you're there.

But, the price is right, and you don't have to even talk to them. So, you don't need to worry about whether you're on your game, you don't need any personality, or charm, cleanliness, etc...or much money...and you can be as drunk as you want to be and still feel like you're getting a bargain.

You just pay the money, around 400 pesos, plus this, plus that, etc... You see, they enjoy throwing various add-ons to the price which the mamasan will perpetrate upon you.

You'll get about 15 minutes of the 30 minutes promised, as they'll rush you along, asking you continually if you're finished yet.

And, of course, you might want to also shower, and you should also dispose of your garmets, when you get back to your hotel room because the beds in the rooms off of Reforma are...well, lets just say they aren't clean.

I mean, you don't want to pick up any bed bugs, or parasites, etc...And, seriously, maybe 15 minutes is about 10 minutes too long a time to be visiting there, with all the potential varmints you might possibly be picking up by merely sitting on the edge of the bed. So, getting 15 minutes instead of the 30 minutes promised is fine with me.

And, of course, you're on their turf, and there is no control of your personal belongings. You put your stuff in your shoe like you're on the beach, and you will need to keep an eye on your "honey" constantly, watching that she doesn't start to go through your stuff looking for a five-fingered propina, etc...

I guess that's what you're relegated to if the lower end bars, the El Infinitos of the world, are just too rich for your blood. 'Cause really, it ain't gonna be any cheaper at the decent MPs, and the lower MPs aren't any cheaper or more comfortable than the Reforma scene, nor are you gonna get any more time out of them.

And, of course, you can try an escort, but there aren't any cheap ones. Escorts are way out of your reach if the lower end bars are beyond your means. That's the problem...if you can't find a niche in the lower end bars, and/or you can't afford them, you certainly can't afford anything else but the Reforma street girls...maybe the street walkers on Madero, or if you really want an eclectic thrill, the transvestites down close to Harem may be your preferred cup of tea....I guess you're screwed otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I wish The Eminent Duke had posted that report yesterday. I am in town for a week including this weekend and last night I was debating whether to try Infinito or not, but I didn't have much info and being both alone and a non-spainish speaker I decided not to head down (I'm staying by work in Apodaca).

That report does clear up some worries I had, I think I'll be more comfortable going by myself. The local hotel staff were showing so much concern about going near the city that I was getting a bit worried. Myself and a few coworkers wanted to go El Rey de Cabrito (I think that's the name.) and it took some convincing just to get our hotel staff to get us a cab. I mean, we were four guys going to a restaurant in the middle of the day. We were seriously expecting like a warzone down there based on how much worrying the hotel staff were doing.

I have a couple questions about the area around Infinito. Are there taxis easily available? Will I be able to find one or do I need to stay inside and ask the staff to call one? How busy is the bar during the weeknights? I've missed the Friday/Saturday nights but I'm still here until Thursday. Will it be a waste to go on a weeknight? Is Inifito a 'cash only' place or do they run a tab (including dances, etc)?

To contribute to the thread, I do have a report on Obsession. I went with a couple of coworkers who were only interested in the most tourist friendly clubs. We went on a weeknight and it was dead, only us and maybe four other guys. The club is exactly as expected: expensive and not really good value at all. We were all double-teamed by girls as there were no other clients around and the waiters pushed drinks constantly. One thing I will say, though, there was no ripping off on prices. Our bill had only what we ordered and the prices were correct. Other than being pushy with the lady drinks, the people were generally polite and helpful.

I had one private dance, it was not all that good. The girls just didn't seem to be all that experienced in how to do a provocative dance but they didn't seem really young either. Despite my better judgement, I took one back for a $2500 'dance' (thank god for expensed 'entertainment'.) and it was very very rushed and not all that satisfying. A basic BJ with condom. I didn't even bother trying to extend the session or get extras. All in all, I'd not even recommend Obsession to people with money who just want the best, because it's not even close to as high grade as the prices indicate.

[QUOTE=The Eminent Duke]So in my opinion, if it matters to you, just go to Inifinito. Don't bother wasting your time or money at other places unless you are into that.

Here I will also briefly mention that we never encountered any violence of any nature or felt unsafe at any time/place in Monterrey. I am sure trouble could be found if one were to look for it or act like a ******* etc but we played it safe and kept our cool, took taxis etc. Monterrey is a very big city with a lot going on, the people we observed weren't acting at all like as expected judging from the media reports (I. E cowering in fear). They went about their business as usual etc. Don't be at all surprised when you realize the same. Keep your wits with you and you will be safe. Most of all enjoy your mongering!

Also if you don't speak spanish (or have a friend that does) and are uncomfortably with that fact (one can mostly get by without speaking spanish but special requests etc can be very difficult) then I suggest Tijuana (which I also love) for you where a decent percentage speak some English. As for me, I look forward to return trips to Infinito.[/QUOTE]I wish The Eminent Duke had posted that report yesterday. I am in town for a week including this weekend and last night I was debating whether to try Infinito or not, but I didn't have much info and being both alone and a non-spainish speaker I decided not to head down (I'm staying by work in Apodaca).

That report does clear up some worries I had, I think I'll be more comfortable going by myself. The local hotel staff were showing so much concern about going near the city that I was getting a bit worried. Myself and a few coworkers wanted to go El Rey de Cabrito (I think that's the name.) and it took some convincing just to get our hotel staff to get us a cab. I mean, we were four guys going to a restaurant in the middle of the day. We were seriously expecting like a warzone down there based on how much worrying the hotel staff were doing.

I have a couple questions about the area around Infinito. Are there taxis easily available? Will I be able to find one or do I need to stay inside and ask the staff to call one? How busy is the bar during the weeknights? I've missed the Friday/Saturday nights but I'm still here until Thursday. Will it be a waste to go on a weeknight? Is Inifito a 'cash only' place or do they run a tab (including dances, etc)?

To contribute to the thread, I do have a report on Obsession. I went with a couple of coworkers who were only interested in the most tourist friendly clubs. We went on a weeknight and it was dead, only us and maybe four other guys. The club is exactly as expected: expensive and not really good value at all. We were all double-teamed by girls as there were no other clients around and the waiters pushed drinks constantly. One thing I will say, though, there was no ripping off on prices. Our bill had only what we ordered and the prices were correct. Other than being pushy with the lady drinks, the people were generally polite and helpful.

I had one private dance, it was not all that good. The girls just didn't seem to be all that experienced in how to do a provocative dance but they didn't seem really young either. Despite my better judgement, I took one back for a $2500 'dance' (thank god for expensed 'entertainment'.) and it was very very rushed and not all that satisfying. A basic BJ with condom. I didn't even bother trying to extend the session or get extras. All in all, I'd not even recommend Obsession to people with money who just want the best, because it's not even close to as high grade as the prices indicate.

Ok trolls, here's the deal. Moving forward, for a short time, at my own discretion, I will remain silent so that other mongers can post their recommendations.

I am just as receptive and eagerly awaiting the names of other bars in Monterrey that are as notable as El Infinito, notable in every respect, price, quality of selection, cost of salidas, etc...Or, post your MP recommendations, or your Escort recommendations. Frankly, I welcome them. I could use some distractions.

I would welcome an alternative. Fact is, I've found the regular stomping ground a little boring lately. I could use a change. So, I would love to find some other decent bars, or MPs, or Escorts. I am totally open to all venues.

But to answer your questions, Parthenon was on the road to becoming a lite-weight contender with El Infinito, and I have posted Parthenon, along with Beybis, Tengo, Tangalay, El Cielo, Mangos. Granted, all of them are low end bars, but all of them having a potential for the best of a good time in their respective low end category. Of course, Parthenon is closed now. But, the rest of them remain open for business.

None of them compares to El Infinito, but if you don't like El Infinito, then there are others I've recommended that you will perhaps enjoy that are on the lower end spectrum. See the list above?

Likewise, I have recommended medium level bars in the past, ie: Pasarelas, Azul Tequilla, Harem, Woman's, Bahamas, and Casino. And, prior to their closing, TVO, Extasis, and a few others that are no longer with us.

So, if any troll believes that I am somehow holding back with respect to honest recommendations, please post your own recommendations now.

See, I am not angry at your questions, but only with respect to your illegitimacy. You mock this forum with only one purpose, to taunt me. The obvious taunting by you is a waste of every legitimate member's time and energy.

But, I must admit, I would welcome recommendations from legitimate visitors to Monterrey with respect to any other bars that they've found enjoyable. I constantly look for other bars that even come remotely close to these I've already mentioned. I too, would like to visit anyone's recommendations.

The taunting by the trolls? I could not care less. Fact is, it only motivates me further. If that's the intention of the trolls to silence me, they will not be successful.

So, there you are, you have my recommendations Mr. Troll. I am at anyone's service to respond to legitimate, and it seems now, even illegitimate inquiries.

But, trolls, I'll throw you a small bone...for a little while you will hear nothing from me as we wait for the other members to post their assessments, just so there is no intervention by me. You will have your opportunity to post your own recommendations completely unmolested.

Other members can assess the validity of your comments, and if they discern the same insincerity that I know exists in your postings, and they want to preserve the integrity of the forum, they can chastise your foolishness.

I hope you can come up with some real contributions, and that you will not just respond with content that satisfies your self serving desire to antagonize me.

This is what happens when the trolls are allowed to go unchecked. They breed like rabbits, and their ONLY agenda is personal, not to the benefit of the average member.

In fact, the information that the legitimate monger gets is often total and complete bullshit because their participation is aimed at discrediting some senior members, ones that they have a personal vendetta against. Just look at what ends these trolls will go to in order to satisfy their fragile and insecure egos. But, they do so at the expense of the forum, and couldn't give a shit less.

You know, I find it amusing because anybody that has been to Monterrey, and specifically to El Infinito, will find the generalized descriptions of the trolls about El Infinito to be relatively accurate. But, those of you that know El Infinito first hand, if you read their posts carefully, should be able to read between the lines, and discern elements of their posts that reveal a lacking accuracy. That means they have not been there recently, and/or they are gathering their information second hand, or that they have never been there, period.

Now, of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that I take issue with them if they have a particular personal dislike for El Infinito. I can certainly identify with them to a certain extent regarding many of El Infinito's detractors.

But, I believe it goes much further...I mean, who knows, they may have a vendetta with the bar itself. Perhaps they were banned from the bar, and can no longer set foot in there. But, to the trained eye, reading between the lines, their commentary about El Infinito, specifically, and their focus upon discrediting it, when we who are experience in Monterrey all know where it fits in the pecking order, smells really fishy to me.

Actually, I would like to get off of El Infinito. I am certainly not the one choosing to bring it up, other than to report about it when asked. Frankly, the trolls are the one's that are obsessed with discrediting it, continually coming back to El Infinito.

I mean, I already know it well. What I would like to hear from anyone is a better alternative. To criticize it is fine, but when they have no better alternative to recommend, you have to wonder what their agenda really is. And, honestly, offering no better alternative bar kind of reveals that it is indeed at the top of the heap, verdad? Can we help it that El Infinito isn't completely and totally to their liking, or that it isn't mongering utopia. They would have you throw the baby out with the bath water. In favor of what?

Strange, the recent commentators all have only one or two posts, and they've all created their screen names today, or the very recent past. I can't tell the legitimate from the illegitimate. That is a problem. I mean, why answer any inquiries if you believe them to be trolls and/or illegitimate. Uhmmm, well, perhaps Jackson will sort it all out through IP address.

So, Mr. Legitimate member sitting at home wondering whom to believe, it is really up to you. Believe the posters with only a few posts, or believe those that have been at this game for a very long time.

From my perspective, since the trolls are hiding behind clandestine screen names, using newly created screen names with very few posts, they will have to eventually reveal their legitimate screen names in order to have any credibility with respect to comments they would like to make, if they want those comments to sound credible.

[QUOTE=Echobase]That report does clear up some worries I had, I think I'll be more comfortable going by myself. The local hotel staff were showing so much concern about going near the city that I was getting a bit worried. Myself and a few coworkers wanted to go El Rey de Cabrito (I think that's the name.) and it took some convincing just to get our hotel staff to get us a cab. I mean, we were four guys going to a restaurant in the middle of the day. We were seriously expecting like a warzone down there based on how much worrying the hotel staff were doing.

I have a couple questions about the area around Infinito. Are there taxis easily available? Will I be able to find one or do I need to stay inside and ask the staff to call one? How busy is the bar during the weeknights? I've missed the Friday / Saturday nights but I'm still here until Thursday. Will it be a waste to go on a weeknight? Is Inifito a 'cash only' place or do they run a tab (including dances, etc)?[/QUOTE]The area around Infinito is somewhat sketchy but not all that bad. Lots of local guys around. Taxis seem to be everywhere in Monterrey and there are plenty by Infinito. The door people will help you hail cab (tip expected) but my friends and I found just bolting from the door and moving down the street to find our own quickly was best. We were there on a Thurs night and it was almost as good (if not better by being a little less busy) as Fri/Sat. Still on a Fri/Sat night it wasn't so busy you couldn't move around etc. I would expect it to be at least quite decent on the other week day nights.

Ridiculous that your hotel staff acted that way. My friends stayed at the Crowne Plaza downtown and they assured us we would be safe walking around the local area which we did plenty day and night. As for Infinito just take a cab there and back.

Bring cash for Infinito. Doubt they will run a tab for you, definately not for dance time. You should be safe by yourself; inside I was away from my friends half the time. I never had a single problem, but still take any precautions necessary regarding protecting your cash and paying with larger bills etc. Be both polite and confident. Find a friendly waiter and stick with him and give decent tips, they will also help you out. Most of all enjoy the wild scene. My friends were a little overwhelmed at first but quickly fell in love with Infinito as did I.

You know, at one time Matehuala was the only other bar that was on par with El Infinito. I recall recommending it often, suggesting that people definitely visit it when they come in town. I used to frequent Matahuala myself, back when it was worth visiting.

But, it really has been such a disappointment for maybe the last 5 years, that it really is in a category that is almost below Beybis, Tengo, El Cielo, the other lower end bars, etc...I haven't recommended it for many years.

I am so often criticized here by the trolls concerning my recommending El Infinito. But, were I not to recommend it, my recommendations would border on outright negligence. How could any credible poster omit it from the listing?

The reality is, and I have said this many times, the bars in Monterrey continually fluctuate, and if a monger wants to really get a taste of what is available on any particular night, they should be advised to visit all the recommended bars, and then some.

There are many bars that I simply haven't had the time to visit. I would welcome reviews of them here. But, the trolls are so focused on discrediting El Infinito that they intimidate other posters from posting anything about it, or any other bar for that matter. They are biased against any and all of the bars.

Frankly, I have posted reviews of El Infinito so many times that I welcome seeing legitimate reviews from others, such as yours. Certainly, as I said before, it is not Utopia, but it surpasses all the others at this juncture, within the category of being a low end bar. And, at times, even with respect to comparing it to some of the ones that represent themselves as High End, they surpass bars like Obsession.


[QUOTE=The Eminent Duke]My friends and I took our first trip to Monterrey last weekend. Infinito is the place to be. By far the best club in Monterrey in terms of dancers and cost (as judged by a nonspanish speaking gringo new to Monterrey but not Mexico). To be honest this is a loud and busy club but the girls in general are hot, young and supple; eager to service you. Almost all don't speak english. Dances/time with the girls upstairs is $5 USD per every 4 minutes. Oral is $15-20 USD on top of the time, full service is $30 USD plus the time cost. You pay the upstairs attendent the first $5, then pay the girl (before or after depending on the girl) and then pay the rest of your time bill to the attendent afterwards. I didn't have the courage to ask what happens if you don't have the money when it is time to pay. Time can be judged by the guys calling out the girl's names every 4 minutes, they will respond back if their mouth is available. The girls will quickly try to initate a full service session by welcomingly grabbing your crotch as they get the most money this way. A warning to the novice monger as to the initial awe that can result, the upstairs are open rooms with 3 sided cubicles, no curtains. Two fold-out chairs are provided for your "comfort". One will quickly see numerous girls servicing their clients in numerous ways in the black lighting. One however gets desensitived to the openess and later comes to appreciate it. I was very happy to see workers cleaning the cubicles/chairs/floor several times each night.

The clientale at infinito are mostly locals, neither high end or poor. A majority just drink and try to grope the girls for free on stage which they are somewhat successful at. No tipping is done. As a result a lot of girls have to stand around between sessions. We were pretty much the only americans etc there. The clientale either were either friendly to my american friends and myself or ignored us. Most don't speak english. I was glad my one friend could speak spanish. We never felt unsafe or too much out of place. The waiters are not too pushy. We befriended two waiters during the 3 nights we visited and this worked to our advantage, they helped us find each other and girls we were looking for.

As for my personal "experiences", my story must be told. During my 3 nights I took every hot girl I found upstairs to test them out with a full groping/dance session, some numerous times. Maybe half were willing to let me grind my face in their crotches. Every one tried to sell me sex and if they thought they had a chance, the more aggressive/willing they were. I always asked in broken spanish my friend taught me if they gave BBBJ's. Very sadly, only 3 out of some 20+ some hot girls said yes (and I usually can convince them otherwise with my sad puppy dog look). I had to pay $40-70 USD plus time for some great BBBJCIM action (well 2 out of the 3 were great). The one somehow managed to withdraw me at the very moment I finished, making a mess on my leg (F her, no pun intended, she was the not so good one). The other two took the shots like a pro and spit into the corner. These two were content with me relaxing and taking my time and were eager to please me. I found these two girls again on the next nights for an encore of their performances. Also during my last BBBJ session a hot girl who was getting pounded from behind in the cubicle in front of me was very eagerly watching me (as I was her) a very unique experience for me. It was kinda weird however when I was being serviced and janitors were cleaning right around us. I also partook in seriously good FS action where I was riden hard like a pack animal, with the girl moaning profusely (real or not). She also deep throated me (CBJ) with the appropriate deep throat sounds (it is not as loud upstairs). Needless to say I tipped her a little extra as this is beyond normal service.

So my advice is to save your time and money and go straight to Infinito. This is what my friends and I learned. We tried matehuala one night and it is very similiar in setup and costs as Infinito, except 1) the open cubicles are downstairs and 2) the girls are not as hot. Sure Infinito has some average or not so great looking girls but in general the Infinito girls are hot with a plethora of 6's and 7's and several 8's and 9's on the Thur-Sat evenings we were there. Matehuala only had a fraction of Infinito's quality. Also, I did find a rare BBBJ at Matehuala and the girl stopped every 10 secs to look around the corner, pissing me off. Sure enough the attendent comes over after 3 songs, interupts us, and starts to harass the girl and myself about the condom (I think for not paying the standard $3, this was all said in spanish). So I had to pay the $3. He encouraged me to continue but what for? I left and stiffed the girl by giving her only 1/4 asking since she didn't deliver BBBJCIM like I expected. So Matehuala can suck my balls (pun intended), this never happened at Infinito.

We tried La Spugna right around the corner of the Crowne Plaza where we were staying at. Huge mistake. They wanted $30 USD for just a lap dance and the girls were not even that good looking, 5's and 6's. Then I told my friends not to buy any girls drinks ever (they are new to all this). Sure enough they bought the girls at La Spugna some mini beers. Cost for each of the girl's mini beers when we left right soon after getting there? $12 USD. So never ever go to this place! Rip off.

We also tried Harem. This was a "medium" level club. And by medium level I mean you pay at least double for action here compared to Infinito. And the girls here while better in quality than Mat. And La S., could still not match the line up of presented at Infinito (and they literally line up the girls at Infinito every hour for you to inspect and choose). It was a little more relaxing here, but the girls are more aggressive at you buying them drinks, which we wouldn't do, pissing them off but then we were left alone. Infinito has little of this. At Harem, dances were $10 USD for two songs but the girl I took to test out was very uninspiring though attractive. She didn't even grab my crotch once, and in mexico, if a girl doesn't do this, I find it rude. Then my friend paid a girl for a dance and not the waiter or attendent and the waiter threw a fit (but not at us) and wasted a lot of time tracking her down before letting us pay our tab so we could go to infinito.

Also Tangley, or however it is spelled, across the street from Infinito was kinda dead and had not so good girls. A drunk girl kept harassing me and wouldn't let me leave her which I did after a short bit. She kept wanting $10 for a dance which I wouldn't pay above $5. She tried to kiss me and ended up biting my lip, I was pissed about both.

So in my opinion, if it matters to you, just go to Inifinito. Don't bother wasting your time or money at other places unless you are into that.

Here I will also briefly mention that we never encountered any violence of any nature or felt unsafe at any time/place in Monterrey. I am sure trouble could be found if one were to look for it or act like a ******* etc but we played it safe and kept our cool, took taxis etc. Monterrey is a very big city with a lot going on, the people we observed weren't acting at all like as expected judging from the media reports (I. E cowering in fear). They went about their business as usual etc. Don't be at all surprised when you realize the same. Keep your wits with you and you will be safe. Most of all enjoy your mongering!

Also if you don't speak spanish (or have a friend that does) and are uncomfortably with that fact (one can mostly get by without speaking spanish but special requests etc can be very difficult) then I suggest Tijuana (which I also love) for you where a decent percentage speak some English. As for me, I look forward to return trips to Infinito.[/QUOTE]

I would recommend that you get a cab provided by the hotel if you're staying in Apodaca. Apodaca is probably 25 minutes from ground zero, and the problem is, that particular area is actually more dangerous than El Centro, IMHO, even though it is also where you'll find many corporate headquarters and luxury hotels. But, throughout Apodaca there is considerable gang and drug cartel activity in the "barrios." So, I would not just hail a random cab from there at night. I would rely on cabs recommended by your hotel staff, or once you find one they recommend, get their cell number and call them back each time you go out at night if the hotel staff has issues with calling one for you.

Regarding weekends, more girls work the clubs on weekends, and selection will be better. But, if salidas are your preference, they will charge slightly more to leave with you, and they'll be reluctant to stay longer periods of time because there are hordes of customers in the bars, and they don't want to miss out on the money they can make on drinks and private dances.

There are taxis easily available immediately in front of El Infinito. That particular street is saturated with them. You can easily obtain one there, and they've always been safe when I've used them.

Your assessment of Obsession is dead-on with respect to a night visit, except the price for a dance seems very high, even for Obsession, especially without any extras. I would say you were fleeced by them. But, they are quite expensive at night. Frankly, I never partake in Obsession at night for that very reason, and I can not be totally sure because I don't have any direct experience there at night lately, but the $2500 pesos sounds really, really expensive for what you received. However, they have a terrific lunch buffet, the girls are generally a little younger, less aggressive than the night shift. I think you would prefer it during the day. But, they're only open during the day for Lunch Buffet on Weekdays. They are closed on Sundays.

[QUOTE=Echobase]I wish The Eminent Duke had posted that report yesterday. I am in town for a week including this weekend and last night I was debating whether to try Infinito or not, but I didn't have much info and being both alone and a non-spainish speaker I decided not to head down (I'm staying by work in Apodaca).

That report does clear up some worries I had, I think I'll be more comfortable going by myself. The local hotel staff were showing so much concern about going near the city that I was getting a bit worried. Myself and a few coworkers wanted to go El Rey de Cabrito (I think that's the name.) and it took some convincing just to get our hotel staff to get us a cab. I mean, we were four guys going to a restaurant in the middle of the day. We were seriously expecting like a warzone down there based on how much worrying the hotel staff were doing.

I have a couple questions about the area around Infinito. Are there taxis easily available? Will I be able to find one or do I need to stay inside and ask the staff to call one? How busy is the bar during the weeknights? I've missed the Friday/Saturday nights but I'm still here until Thursday. Will it be a waste to go on a weeknight? Is Inifito a 'cash only' place or do they run a tab (including dances, etc)?

To contribute to the thread, I do have a report on Obsession. I went with a couple of coworkers who were only interested in the most tourist friendly clubs. We went on a weeknight and it was dead, only us and maybe four other guys. The club is exactly as expected: expensive and not really good value at all. We were all double-teamed by girls as there were no other clients around and the waiters pushed drinks constantly. One thing I will say, though, there was no ripping off on prices. Our bill had only what we ordered and the prices were correct. Other than being pushy with the lady drinks, the people were generally polite and helpful.

I had one private dance, it was not all that good. The girls just didn't seem to be all that experienced in how to do a provocative dance but they didn't seem really young either. Despite my better judgement, I took one back for a $2500 'dance' (thank god for expensed 'entertainment'.) and it was very very rushed and not all that satisfying. A basic BJ with condom. I didn't even bother trying to extend the session or get extras. All in all, I'd not even recommend Obsession to people with money who just want the best, because it's not even close to as high grade as the prices indicate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dumb Luck]Been lurker long time. Don't monger much now because a little too busy. I used to monger lot in Asia. I visit Monterei many times in past. But, I never really thought it same as Thailand. In pass, enjoy Extasis. They have nice lunch buffet. They still open there in Monterei.[/QUOTE]

Extasis used to be one of my most favorite bars too. There was a girl working there, a dark spinner, and she was wicked. I enjoyed spending time there a lot. But, the lunch buffet days go back a long way. They haven't served a lunch buffet for probably ten years. Fact is, they closed and re-opened, then they changed hands about 2 years ago, changed the name of the place, etc...They are out of business now. Sorry, I miss them too, the old place that is.

[QUOTE=Candy Lickin]I think El Sol comes out on Wednesday's.

That's where you can find a complete list of MPs and Escorts.

Check it out![/QUOTE]

For MP guys, I always recommend they pick up El Sol, take it with them in a cab. Spend about two hours running between the ones advertised in El Sol, and you will find which of them, at that particular time, have anything worthwhile. The cab ride for two hours should cost you no more than 200 to 300 pesos. Visiting the MPs in the lower end and medium category is a total crap shoot. You will find a gem in one of the lowest of the low one day, and nothing but hags the next. And, that's the way things are in the lower end MP scene. With respect to the lower end MPs, be prepared to endure the up sell, and extortionistic kinds of ploys to get you to part with more money. Most of the girls in the lower end MPs are pretty rough generally. That's why you have to run between them. There are diamonds among the swine. Problem is, you have to spend a lot of time finding them.

If you want to visit the upper level MPs, you can skip the canvassing routine and cut right to the chase, and be relatively safe in finding something worthwhile without running between them for two hours to find something decent. With the Upper Level MPs you will not be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Sandy Mittens]I like the Escort photos posted by Strike69. That chick is hot. I am stuck in Laredo right now, but I'l be heading down to Monterrey to check them out pretty soon. Somebody said there is a whole list of them in El Sol. Anybody have any direct experiences with any good escorts they can recommend?[/QUOTE]

That one chick was very hot. I am going to check her out in the next couple of weeks, and I'll report back. No commitments...It all depends on price, and the vibe I get from her, and upon her willingness to meet me on my own turf.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]That one chick was very hot. I am going to check her out in the next couple of weeks, and I'll report back. No commitments...It all depends on price, and the vibe I get from her, and upon her willingness to meet me on my own turf.[/QUOTE]

Yes her photos look very hot (an amazing beautiful big ass) but please note I have not hired those girls yet, I still need to confirm if the girls are real or not but unfortunately I am not in MTY right now.

Stlouis Pride,

Can you enlighten us as to which hotel you stayed at?

All hotels around the airport are good.
But most of the hotels around the airport are not friendly at all to anyone going to the guest room at night.
But I know as a fact that the escort services manage to slip girls cause they include the "tip" to security in the fee they charge.



[QUOTE=Electric Glide]Coming to Monterrey for the first time on Saturday.

Does anybody know of a good girl friendly hotel close to the airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]All hotels around the airport are good.
But most of the hotels around the airport are not friendly at all to anyone going to the guest room at night.
But I know as a fact that the escort services manage to slip girls cause they include the "tip" to security in the fee they charge.[/QUOTE]


The hotels near the mall or the club areas are girl friendly. I never had a problem.

If you stay at the major chains, you will have to bribe the staff to get girls up. The hotels around the clubs are mostly local owned and are happy to have the business. I have never had a problem with bringing girls in and you won't either unless you make a scene or go overboard with bringing girls upstairs.

by the way, has anyone heard of a new club called Union? I'm in the US right now, but a contact down south was telling me about it.

Can anyone tell me if getting a girl inside Hotel Fastos would be an issue?

Well. I think this report is very important due to the fact that alot of us use the bus system to get to Monterrey. I usually take a bus from the town of Miguel aleman. Well, one of the buses was Hi-jacked this weekend and 40 people ended up dead. 40 people! It blows my mind that it has come to this. Why is the USA governement not doing anything. Why? Why no reports from the media. They have suspended all bus routes within a 50 mile radius of Miguel Aleman. Also Monterrey televisa was attacked with grenades this past week, again. Oh! But Chicago is worse? It's really getting out of control in Mexico. Just when you think that every thing is ok. Bam! It gets worse. This information was given to me by the bus station staff (No bus routes until further notice), Mexican soldiers, and Federal Mexican police at the international bridge. I'am so mad at those stupid ass drug cartels!

[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I think this report is very important due to the fact that alot of us use the bus system to get to Monterrey. I usually take a bus from the town of Miguel aleman. Well, one of the buses was Hi-jacked this weekend and 40 people ended up dead. 40 people! It blows my mind that it has come to this. Why is the USA governement not doing anything. Why? Why no reports from the media. They have suspended all bus routes within a 50 mile radius of Miguel Aleman. Also Monterrey televisa was attacked with grenades this past week, again. Oh! But Chicago is worse? It's really getting out of control in Mexico. Just when you think that every thing is ok. Bam! It gets worse. This information was given to me by the bus station staff (No bus routes until further notice), Mexican soldiers, and Federal Mexican police at the international bridge. I'am so mad at those stupid ass drug cartels![/QUOTE]Nope. I learned my lesson from the "veteran experts" on this board. No crime. None. All is safe. Come to El Infinito with plenty of cash. 0 out of 0 chance of crime.

You must have an agenda. Look how few posts you have.

Total BS, not true.

Please post the link to the news report. The rest is hearsay. Your hearsay.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I think this report is very important due to the fact that alot of us use the bus system to get to Monterrey. I usually take a bus from the town of Miguel aleman. Well, one of the buses was Hi-jacked this weekend and 40 people ended up dead. 40 people! It blows my mind that it has come to this. Why is the USA governement not doing anything. Why? Why no reports from the media. They have suspended all bus routes within a 50 mile radius of Miguel Aleman. Also Monterrey televisa was attacked with grenades this past week, again. Oh! But Chicago is worse? It's really getting out of control in Mexico. Just when you think that every thing is ok. Bam! It gets worse. This information was given to me by the bus station staff (No bus routes until further notice), Mexican soldiers, and Federal Mexican police at the international bridge. I'am so mad at those stupid ass drug cartels![/QUOTE]

From my side, I don't know if you can.
Sorry.

But it is true, that if you talk first to the security guards about bringing a girl in later in the night, it might be possible giving them some money.


[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Can anyone tell me if getting a girl inside Hotel Fastos would be an issue?[/QUOTE]

Yes of course... and that would be which mall and which hotels???

Undakavabrotha, I know you are an experienced monger, but Monterrey has over 8 malls and there are over 10 hotels just in the Madero, Cuahutemoc sts. crossroads where all the main clubs can be found in a 10 block radius.




[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]The hotels near the mall or the club areas are girl friendly. I never had a problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Total BS, not true.

Please post the link to the news report. The rest is hearsay. Your hearsay.[/QUOTE]I agree. All is safe. No chance of violence. Safer than the US. Come on down. Bring cash. Plenty of beautiful girls at El Infinito, but only at El Infinito. No grenade attacks, either.

Monterreydude, where do they get these things?

boys, boys, boys... such manners.

I could quote and place the link to several violent examples that have recently happened, extremely recent as a matter of fact, but I am letting you boys mention them instead of me.



[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I agree. All is safe. No chance of violence. Safer than the US. Come on down. Bring cash. Plenty of beautiful girls at El Infinito, but only at El Infinito. No grenade attacks, either.

Monterreydude, where do they get these things?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marius 67]They have suspended all bus routes within a 50 mile radius of Miguel Aleman. [/QUOTE]
Can some resourceful person please kindly get on the horn with the bus station over in Ciudad Miguel Aleman and verify/debunk this claim. Hate to see arguments over facts which can so easily be established as truth or lie.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]Can some resourceful person please kindly get on the horn with the bus station over in Ciudad Miguel Aleman and verify/debunk this claim. Hate to see arguments over facts which can so easily be established as truth or lie.[/QUOTE]I just called the bus station.

They said there were no problems and that everyone should come to El Infinito in Monterrey with pockets full of cash. Zero chance of violence. They also said that anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.

Contact Monterreydude for the "girl friendly" hotels and he'll tell you where you HAVE TO stay in Monterrey.

Repeating: All is safe. Bring Cash. Come to El Infinito. No Violence. Never happens.

Chester Boy, Blourhgus is a world class monger, and customer of Infinito for many years now.

He's not falling for your BS.


[QUOTE=Chester Boy]I just called the bus station.

They said there were no problems and that everyone should come to El Infinito in Monterrey with pockets full of cash. Zero chance of violence. They also said that anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.

Contact Monterreydude for the "girl friendly" hotels and he'll tell you where you HAVE TO stay in Monterrey.

Repeating: All is safe. Bring Cash. Come to El Infinito. No Violence. Never happens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Chester Boy, Blourhgus is a world class monger, and customer of Infinito for many years now.

He's not falling for your BS.[/QUOTE]My BS is your BS, buddy.

We are in complete agreement now.

All is well. Bring cash. Never any violence. Zero chance of violence. Let's all meet at Infinito for a man party.

I visited Monterrey a few years ago, and found a girl I really liked. I don't remember the name of the bar, but I do remember is was across the street from one name Tangrala or something like that. Her name was Cecelia. Anybody know a Cecilia. She was really thin, and reminded me of a crack *****. But, she was hot. Sorry to be so vague, but it's been a few years ago, and I just don't remember this shit after so long.

Coming back in a few weeks, and want to look her up if she's still around.

I took the bus between Nuevo Laredo and Monterrey within the last 24 hours. I left after 4:30pm, and I arrived just around dark. I was aware of the dangers on the highways. But, talking with some guys I know that live in Nuevo Laredo, they advised me just to stick with daytime land travel and you should be ok.

I visited one of the bars recommended here called Azul Tequilla. I spent about 1400 pesos over a couple of hours. There were two or three hot girls out of maybe 15. I took two of the hot girls for privados, bought a few dtinks, and the best of the three I was waiting for finally became available.

I then took her up to the VIP for a Jarra, which cost me around 350 pesos. The room was completely private, except for the occasional interruptions by the waiter. There was NO SEX to be had, just lap dancing, and as much groping as you can get in.

The overall experience was expensive in contrast to what I've read here with respect to actually having sex. Were I to advise others, I would not recommend spending a lot of money inside the bars. Based on what I'm reading her, you can get a lot more in the MPs or paying for salidas than you can staying at the bars and using their facilities. They will just scam you if you let them get away with baiting you with what they're going to do for you.

I took the bus between Nuevo Laredo and Monterrey Within the last 24 hours. I left after 4:30pm, and I arrived just around dark. I was aware of the dangers on the highways. But, talking with some guys that live in Nuevo Laredo, they told me just to stick with daytime travel and it should be ok.

I visited one of the bars called Azul Tequilla. I spent about 1400 pesos over a couple of hours. There were two or three hot girls out of maybe 15. I took two of the hot girls for privados, bought a few drinks. The hottest of the three finally became available.

I took her to the VIP for a Jarra, which cost me around 350 pesos. The room was completely private, but for the occasional interruptions by the waiter. There was NO SEX to be had, just lap dancing, and as much groping as you can get in.

You can get a lot more making outside arrangements than you can staying at the bars and using their facilities. They will just scam you if you let them get away with baiting you. But, I have the number of the hotty, and we're getting together later today for 1000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Angelmio]I visited Monterrey a few years ago, and found a girl I really liked. I don't remember the name of the bar, but I do remember is was across the street from one name Tangrala or something like that. Her name was Cecelia. Anybody know a Cecilia. She was really thin, and reminded me of a crack *****. But, she was hot. Sorry to be so vague, but it's been a few years ago, and I just don't remember this shit after so long.

Coming back in a few weeks, and want to look her up if she's still around.[/QUOTE]You mean she was just thin, or actually a "crack *****" look. That doesn't seem to hot, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Angelmio]I visited Monterrey a few years ago, and found a girl I really liked. I don't remember the name of the bar, but I do remember is was across the street from one name Tangrala or something like that. Her name was Cecelia. Anybody know a Cecilia. She was really thin, and reminded me of a crack *****. But, she was hot. Sorry to be so vague, but it's been a few years ago, and I just don't remember this shit after so long.

Coming back in a few weeks, and want to look her up if she's still around.[/QUOTE]I was at Paserelas last night. There is a girl there that is really thin. She may be the girl you're looking for. She looked healthier than a crack *****, but she was damned thin. She sat with me for a while, but don't remember names. You could look for her there. It might be her. You can't miss her. She even kept bringing up that she is sooooooo thin. Yeah, you're thin baby.

Caught a link someone posted in the Nuevo Laredo topic which indicated Palacio de Hierro has been "held up by gunmen" three times this year. I had no idea about this although that's been one of my big hang outs this summer. Absolutely no sign that anything was abnormal as of a week or two ago.

Maybe the Infinito danger is overblown and the real danger is taking your girlfriend shopping to the mall. I mention this partly because I see more gringos hanging out with their Monterrey girlfriends in the various malls in San Pedro than I see anywhere else on the planet.

Of course it's overblown.
Chesterboy has never been here to Monterrey.

Blourghus, Palacio de Hierro was robbed a couple of months ago and that's it. The other instance happened years ago.
No more.
And it wasn't "held", just the jewelry section Tiffany's has been afected, not the whole store.
You've been here. Thing is that Colonia del Valle folk do not want armed guards around them even if it means that the stores for the rich can be targets for robberies.
So even if it was robbed, no guards will be posted.





[QUOTE=Blourghus]Caught a link someone posted in the Nuevo Laredo topic which indicated Palacio de Hierro has been "held up by gunmen" three times this year. I had no idea about this although that's been one of my big hang outs this summer. Absolutely no sign that anything was abnormal as of a week or two ago.

Maybe the Infinito danger is overblown and the real danger is taking your girlfriend shopping to the mall. I mention this partly because I see more gringos hanging out with their Monterrey girlfriends in the various malls in San Pedro than I see anywhere else on the planet.[/QUOTE]

Well, crime is one thing, and anarchy is another. Mexico is poised on the verge of anarchy right now. I wish it were so easy as to be only dealing with the crime, which runs just as rampant in the USA. No, this is a different animal.

The danger is to the average bystander caught in the crossfire as the gangs battle each other, and the government battles the cartels, all of them having little regard for the innocents that might get caught in the crossfire.

There is no safe place to be. But, none the less, life goes on. And, If you have to live here, you might as well be getting some pussy in the process.

Well, I agree that traveling into Mexico at all is taking your life in your own hands these days. But, if you have to travel into Mexico, I can not say enough about the Mexican Bus System. Mexico may be a shit hole, but one thing they do have perfected in every way is the Mexican Bus System. Just compare TuriStar or Noreste to Greyhound. What a fuckin' cluster Greyhound is. Been there, done that. You will be amazed at how comfy and well operated the Mexican Bus Lines are. Miracles never cease.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Of course it's overblown.

Chesterboy has never been here to Monterrey.

Blourghus, Palacio de Hierro was robbed a couple of months ago and that's it. The other instance happened years ago.

No more.

And it wasn't "held", just the jewelry section Tiffany's has been afected, not the whole store.

You've been here. Thing is that Colonia del Valle folk do not want armed guards around them even if it means that the stores for the rich can be targets for robberies.

So even if it was robbed, no guards will be posted.[/QUOTE]As residents of Monterrey, Monterreydude and I know what the real deal is.

There is no danger in Monterrey. No violence whatsoever. It's all overblown.come down to Infinito and bring plenty of cash. If you want the real information, you must meet personally with Monterreydude.come alone with plenty of cash for the hot women.

[QUOTE=El Cazador]The Palacio de Hierro was robbed by armed men two times almost within same month. These type of crime is reported by noticias but most individual crime are not. This week an open air mall and also a very large enclosed mall where held up by armed men and ended up in one dead. The enclosed mall was entirely shut down. A friend also tell me that a semi-new car lot owner in the same city of Palacio de Hierro was kidnapped yesterday.

There's no reazon to try defend the safety of Monterrey right now. It is very violent and getting worse.[/QUOTE]Lies and BS. Monterreydude and I live here in Monterrey and the worst you will find is minor traffic violations.

I really have to question the agendas of all these trolls making accounts and posting their fantasies. Look at how few posts they have! They can't be trusted.

Take it from veteran resident Monterreydude. If you come to Monterrey and go to Infnito, you will be safe no matter what. But bring plenty of cash.

I laugh out loud when I read about crime in Monterrey. There's a 0% chance of violent crime in Monterrey. Never happens. This is so ridiculous that it's funny.

One Fucking question: Does "anybody" have anything to say about finding pussy in the Monterrey Section.

The thing about the Palacio de Hierro is that it "appears" to be a safe place and I would have never guessed there was ever any danger there recently. Yet, Infinito has the outward appearance of being much less safe by comparison, although there seem to have been no recent confirmed incidents there. If you asked me, I would have said unequivocally (without looking at any actual data to back up the claim) that Palacio de Hierro was much safer. But, even now knowing this information, I would still take a lot more precautions in the future at Infinito than at Palacio de Hierro.

Most travellers have a tendendency to cloud their safety judgments by what they have experienced themselves. Folks are quick to declare some place as "safe" just because they passed through it and never personally witnessed any problem with their own eyes. I see this all the time on travel sites. On the other extreme there are people who will never leave their house because they are afraid they will get hit by a car. Everybody has very different expectations, and very different thresholds of what constitutes danger. In the end the debate is unwinnable for either side, and you will never convince anybody of your position. Playing down actual security threats, and overreacting to existing security threats, are equally irresponsible. The most useful thing would be to share as specific information as you can regarding safety situation, data and experiences, to help other guys and keep them safe (but not too safe).

That is the reasonable point of view. The information about the occurrence of such crimes is important for everyone to assess their own safety. But, the general cat fighting that seems to be going on here between rival members is relatively worthless. We all know that there are dangers in Mexico right now. But, giving up on pussy isn't a reasonable expectation for me. I would never have gone to Rio so many times back when I could afford it had fear overpowered this horn dog.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]The thing about the Palacio de Hierro is that it "appears" to be a safe place and I would have never guessed there was ever any danger there recently. Yet, Infinito has the outward appearance of being much less safe by comparison, although there seem to have been no recent confirmed incidents there. If you asked me, I would have said unequivocally (without looking at any actual data to back up the claim) that Palacio de Hierro was much safer. But, even now knowing this information, I would still take a lot more precautions in the future at Infinito than at Palacio de Hierro.

Most travellers have a tendendency to cloud their safety judgments by what they have experienced themselves. Folks are quick to declare some place as "safe" just because they passed through it and never personally witnessed any problem with their own eyes. I see this all the time on travel sites. On the other extreme there are people who will never leave their house because they are afraid they will get hit by a car. Everybody has very different expectations, and very different thresholds of what constitutes danger. In the end the debate is unwinnable for either side, and you will never convince anybody of your position. Playing down actual security threats, and overreacting to existing security threats, are equally irresponsible. The most useful thing would be to share as specific information as you can regarding safety situation, data and experiences, to help other guys and keep them safe (but not too safe).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marius 67]Why is the USA governement not doing anything. Why? [/QUOTE]


What can the US government do? It's Mexico and we can't just send troops into another nation (so close to us). Besides, we have our hands full with the countries we have already invaded.

Ahem... Chester Boy, allow me to remind you that Marius is the one that lives in Monterrey, not you.

Freudian slip, I guess.
So many handles, mistakes are always bound to come.



[QUOTE=Chester Boy]As residents of Monterrey, Monterreydude and I know what the real deal is.

There is no danger in Monterrey. No violence whatsoever. It's all overblown.come down to Infinito and bring plenty of cash. If you want the real information, you must meet personally with Monterreydude.come alone with plenty of cash for the hot women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Ahem... Chester Boy, allow me to remind you that Marius is the one that lives in Monterrey, not you.

Freudian slip, I guess.
So many handles, mistakes are always bound to come.[/QUOTE]Ah, My friend...It is YOU who is mistaken...Remember, I live in Monterrey and work in the food distribution industry? Remember, I've witnessed the wide-spread extortion first-hand? I know you are increasingly famous for your denials of reality, but does that also go towards denials of identity? LOL.

Go back and check if you don't believe me.

But, in any case, you have convinced me that all the crime and heavy-handed extortion was little more than an optical illusion. There is zero chance of violence in Monterrey and all reports of anything violent are merely lies from imposters and people who just don't know. Bring cash. Come to Infinito. Meet with you. All is safe.

[QUOTE=Captain 1201]Ah, My friend...It is YOU who is mistaken...Remember, I live in Monterrey and work in the food distribution industry? Remember, I've witnessed the wide-spread extortion first-hand? I know you are increasingly famous for your denials of reality, but does that also go towards denials of identity? LOL.

Go back and check if you don't believe me.

But, in any case, you have convinced me that all the crime and heavy-handed extortion was little more than an optical illusion. There is zero chance of violence in Monterrey and all reports of anything violent are merely lies from imposters and people who just don't know. Bring cash. Come to Infinito. Meet with you. All is safe.[/QUOTE]WTF is going on? The harassment is insane here. This Captain 1201 character is assuming my identity now? Is that the fake name of the two board bullies?

I am the one in the food distribution industry, but, yeah, I am a resident of Monterrey and I can vouch for Monterreydude's claims. Everything is way overblown. No violence whatsoever. Zero chance of problems. Come to Infinito.

Took a girl out of Pasarelas tonight. She was a hot, thin, morena with reddish hair. She was fantastic, and had an ass to die for. Had I not stopped her, she would have pushed in sin condom because she was really getting into rubbing around the outside of her snatch. This is one of the hottest girls I have ever found. I got her number and will look her up again. The cost was 850 pesos for the bar fine, and she wanted 1000 pesos for her time. She spent two hours with me. Her name is Esmeralda for anybody wanting to look her up. But, beware, she is so horney that once she gets going you'll have to beat her off with a stick.

Now it's on to San Luis Potosi by bus. I have asked if there is any action in San Luis Potosi in the "Other Areas" section, but no answer. Anybody know anything about San Luis?

There have been some changes in pricing regarding Obsession's afternoon buffet.

Prices are as follow now:
150 pesos. Includes cover, food, and a drink.
200 pesos. Includes cover, food, a drink, a ladies drink and a dance
250 pesos. Includes cover, food, a drink, a ladies drink and 2 dances.

150 pesos is plain highway robbery.
Thing is they are forcing you into buy the 200 and 250 peso options, cause honestly speaking those options are incredibly good.
At the regular prices Obsession charges, it's like getting the buffet and a drink for free.
But of course, the customer is forced into choosing something that might not be in his mind.

Anyway, those are the standing prices at Obsession afternoon shift right now.

PM me next time you around LaParca.
Seems you missed Poisson. Your spending budget will be good at this club.



[QUOTE=La Parca]Now it's on to San Luis Potosi by bus. I have asked if there is any action in San Luis Potosi in the "Other Areas" section, but no answer. Anybody know anything about San Luis?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]
But of course, the customer is forced into choosing something that might not be in his mind.[/QUOTE]

I've been there and If those things are NOT on your mind by the time you finish the buffet, then you had no business going in the first place.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]
150 pesos is plain highway robbery.
[/QUOTE]

LOL, I don't know too many places where you can get so much for so little, I mean, even if you just wanted to eat. It was the deal of the century when it was 50 pesos and still is a great deal. A nice cover keeps out the riff raff, I wish more clubs would charge high covers.

I would pay 500 pesos to get in if they banned the damned cigarettes.

It was the other way around.
Smoking customers won over nonsmoking.

When the cigarette ban was implemented, businesses like the Amnesia, Prestige, Obsession... all went down.
Customers didn't want to stay if they weren't allowed to smoke.



[QUOTE=Blourghus]LOL, I don't know too many places where you can get so much for so little, I mean, even if you just wanted to eat. It was the deal of the century when it was 50 pesos and still is a great deal. A nice cover keeps out the riff raff, I wish more clubs would charge high covers.

I would pay 500 pesos to get in if they banned the damned cigarettes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]It was the other way around.
Smoking customers won over nonsmoking.

When the cigarette ban was implemented, businesses like the Amnesia, Prestige, Obsession... all went down.
Customers didn't want to stay if they weren't allowed to smoke.[/QUOTE]
Being a smoker, I emphasize with that, when a smoker drinks he wants to smoke, and a lot of girls like a cigarette now and then too.

It's unfortunate because many other third world countries (including Colombia & Thailand) implement no-smoking both in the books & in practice including in strip clubs so I don't know why Mexico has so much trouble catching up with the rest of the world on this. It's 2010 and its seems like some sort of human rights violation to still be allowing people to smoke in public anywhere on the planet. Monterrey is actually not that bad, and it's mainly the girls who I can just tell to go away. The absolute worst is Tijuana where you can be guaranteed as soon as you sit down some inconsiderate asshole (always a gringo) will sit down right next to you and light up without even bothering to check if it's OK with you, so the whole time becomes constantly finding a smoke free spot. Now if I'm torn between going out and staying home on a particular night it often comes down to whether the location is smoke free or not, and if it is really worth being suffocating in smoke fumes. I'm trying to vote with my dollars as much as I can.

A Mexican drug cartel massacred 72 Central and South American migrants within 100 miles of the USA border on Tuesday. The marines fought the cartel gunmen at a ranch in the northern state of Tamaulipas on Tuesday. The battle left one marine and three suspects dead. They found the bodies of 58 men and 14 women in a room murdered by members of the Zetas drug gang.

Lessons learned to minimize your risk when mongering in Mexico.

1. Do not look for work as a migrant.

2. Do not leave the safety of large population centers when in Mexico.

3. Do not travel over land if you have the means to fly.

[QUOTE=La Parca]A Mexican drug cartel massacred 72 Central and South American migrants within 100 miles of the USA border on Tuesday. The marines fought the cartel gunmen at a ranch in the northern state of Tamaulipas on Tuesday. The battle left one marine and three suspects dead. They found the bodies of 58 men and 14 women in a room murdered by members of the Zetas drug gang.

Lessons learned to minimize your risk when mongering in Mexico.

1. Do not look for work as a migrant.

2. Do not leave the safety of large population centers when in Mexico.

3. Do not travel over land if you have the means to fly.[/QUOTE]Lies and BS. Monterreydude and I know the truth. This little incident was blown way out of proportion. It was actually a small traffic accident.

What's your agenda, La Parca?

All is safe in Monterrey. Bring cash. Meet with Monterreydude. Go to Infinito and ONLY Infinito. Zero chance of violence.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]PM me next time you around LaParca.
Seems you missed Poisson. Your spending budget will be good at this club.[/QUOTE]Too cheap to join the forum. No access to the PM system. But, thanks for the heads up. I'll check out Poisson next time. I heard it was too expensive so I blew it off.

San Luis Potosi was the pits. When I compare Monterrey to some of these other towns in Mexico, with the exception of maybe Tijuana, I am much more appreciative of what I found in Monterrey. Azul, Pasarelas, Infinito, Cielo, Beybes, etc. They were all good in their own unique way. I just scratched the surface. There are hundreds spread all over Monterrey, but I never had the time to peak in the door. Monterrey needs a lot more research!

Monterrey reminds me of Colombia right now in the sense that in Colombia, if you stick to the major population centers you'll be fine. But, if you venture to the outskirts, or into the country, the risks go up.

[QUOTE=Chester Boy]What's your agenda, La Parca?[/QUOTE]Don't get it. What agenda? Well, finding pussy is my agenda, but I thought that was everybody's agenda!

You mean the report on the migrants being killed? I just saw it on the wire and it struck me as being so similar to Colombia. It's all over the wire.

For years there was huge dangers in Colombia, still is. But, only if you venture into the country or isolate yourself from the population centers.

There's a big difference between crime and what's going on in Mexico now. For example, the Palacio de Hierro incident someone mentioned was an act of crime, like what I found in Rio. Crime is very different than rebel paramilitary activity like what I find in Colombia.

Both require a different "agenda" to stay safe. Cheers.

[QUOTE=El Cazador]I believe that you are not try to be serious and only to be funny. I report to you that this week they kidnap with guns 6 people in San Pedro very close to the Palacio de Hierro. I read someone here try to compare Monterrey to Chicago. This is false and anyone here with experience know that it is very dangeros. Someone come here for short time with no friends or companions may believe it is safe but those here on daily basis know that its dangeros. I know direct or indirect five persons who have been robbed or kidnap here. Three where in hospitol. Please be safe and dont be dumb. There´s a war going on here.[/QUOTE]Nope, never happens. There is ZERO chance of finding any crime in Monterrey. It's all way overblown.

The resident experts on this board, Monterreydude and Unspongebob, have about 90% of all the posts in the Monterrey thread and they say that all is completely safe and that Chicago is more dangerous than Monterrey. I used to doubt them, but I've come around and completely believe them and what they think about members here who spread BS stories:

El Cazador and La Parca have never even been to Monterrey. It's all an agenda on their part to discredit Monterrey and El Infinito. Look how few posts they have! They CAN'T be telling the truth. I stand firmly behind Monterreydude in his effort to weed these impostors out of the ISG.

Comparing Chicago to Monterrey isn't really a fair comparison. Chicago has 10 million people and Monterrey has under 5 million. The rate of violent crime in Chicago is double compared to New York City and Los Angeles. Chicago is considered the most violent and dangerous city in the US.

But, it goes way beyond just crime in Mexico. We're seeing a form of anarchy in Mexico these days. But, in all fairness, it's primarily directed between two drug cartels. Getting caught in the cross-fire between the army/policia and the drug cartels, that's your biggest concern.

I was in Miguel Aleman, Mexico today. The buses are still not running to Monterrey. Talked to a local soldier and Mexican federal officer. They stated that Mexico is entering a new era of terror. They talked about the Mexican government hiding bigger mass graves they have discoved to prevent mass panic. In all fairness this is all hersay,. But I tend to believe people that are in the shit everyday. Chaos is Mexico right now. They also did not report when these assholes attacked the mexican side of the international bridge which left four soldiers and six officers dead in Camargo. There's a shitload of youtube videos documenting the aftermath of gun battles. I guess the good times in Mexico are coming to an end.

[url]www.borderlandbeat.com[/url] and or [url]www.blogdelnarco.com[/url]

Sad thing but true.
Well, things could change a lot if the US stops it hunger for drugs.
You know, the US is the #1 consumer of drugs in the world and it has done nothing to curb consumption nor consumers... nor traffic as a matter of fact.

You know why the cartels are fighting till there last men for cities like Cd. Juarez and Miguel Alemán and Reynosa in Tamaulipas???
Cause the other side, meaning the US side is the point of entry for the drug trade.
It is well know fact that drug cartels pay 100's of thousands of pesos this side of the river vs. 100's of thousands of dollars to corrupt American officials.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was in Miguel Aleman, Mexico today. The buses are still not running to Monterrey. Talked to a local soldier and Mexican federal officer. They stated that Mexico is entering a new era of terror. They talked about the Mexican government hiding bigger mass graves they have discoved to prevent mass panic. In all fairness this is all hersay,. But I tend to believe people that are in the shit everyday. Chaos is Mexico right now. They also did not report when these assholes attacked the mexican side of the international bridge which left four soldiers and six officers dead in Camargo. There's a shitload of youtube videos documenting the aftermath of gun battles. I guess the good times in Mexico are coming to an end.

[url]www.borderlandbeat.com[/url] and or [url]www.blogdelnarco.com[/url][/QUOTE]

What? Spend $3,000 to fly to Thailand? Just South of Pattaya, you have bands of terrorists setting off bombs? Or, go to Bangkok where you have the makings of a civil war?

What? Fly to Bogota, where you have the exact same level of danger from armed bands of robbers, and several paramilitary anti-government units operating between the cities so that land travel is totally prohibitive?

What? Go to Indonesia where bombs from terrorists go off right in front of my hotel?

What? You're going to spend a minimum of $300-500 per hour for equal quality in US?

What? You're going to spend the astronomical cost of flying around the World with Mexico right on your doorstep?

In one breath, my Mexican friends tell me of the dangers, and in the other they tell me they're going about their lives just as they always have.

I'm hearing only that we should all just stay home in the US, or be slaughtered like cattle if we come to Monterrey. That isn't true either. Know the risks, and make your own decision.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Sad thing but true.
Well, things could change a lot if the US stops it hunger for drugs.
You know, the US is the #1 consumer of drugs in the world and it has done nothing to curb consumption nor consumers... nor traffic as a matter of fact.
[/QUOTE]

Curbing drug and/or alcohol use just isn't going to happen, no way. If Mexico stopped supplying drugs tomorrow, others would just pick up the slack, way too much money involved. Plus there are a number of home made drugs, Meth, PCP, etc, that are consumed. There isn't a state or municipality that has not seen a Meth lab busted. Stopping drug use, stopping prostitution, no way, you can't stop what people want.

What makes Mexico the pits in some ways also makes it a Jewel in others. If it were the US, you would have girls costing you a fortune, the cops throwing you in jail, crack hags instead of hot 18 year old girls, and you would be sitting home jacking off. It would be nice if the safety issues improved, but that ain't likely soon. I'll take my chances. Watch your back, and pay attention, just like every other mongering destination in the world.

[QUOTE=La Parca]What? Spend $3,000 to fly to Thailand? Just South of Pattaya, you have bands of terrorists setting off bombs? Or, go to Bangkok where you have the makings of a civil war?

What? Fly to Bogota, where you have the exact same level of danger from armed bands of robbers, and several paramilitary anti-government units operating between the cities so that land travel is totally prohibitive?

What? Go to Indonesia where bombs from terrorists go off right in front of my hotel?

What? You're going to spend a minimum of $300-500 per hour for equal quality in US?

What? You're going to spend the astronomical cost of flying around the World with Mexico right on your doorstep?

In one breath, my Mexican friends tell me of the dangers, and in the other they tell me they're going about their lives just as they always have.

I'm hearing only that we should all just stay home in the US, or be slaughtered like cattle if we come to Monterrey. That isn't true either. Know the risks, and make your own decision.[/QUOTE]Very sensible. If only this could be a conclusion and this forum could go back to being about mongering. I am planning for another trip and all I get from this forum now is safety mandates.

I think you need to reread what you are writing CB.
You're losing track.

Chicago... let me add Flint, Detroit, Washington DC and just recently included, the Bronx where people are not going out in the streets at night.... again, like in the old days.



[QUOTE=Chester Boy]LOL. I'm not sore. If you had any credibility, I might take the things you say more seriously. It's obvious that you have a very, very superficial concept of Americans and the US. Ranging from your crazy assertion that Chicago is as dangerous as Monterrey and, now, that the guerrilla warfare being conducted throughout Mexico is on a par with some rednecks in the backwoods. And, best of all, you use the example of Oklahoma City to prove your point, one incident that happened 15 years ago when you are in stark denial of the reality of Mexico's problems despite daily reports of car bombings, grenade attacks and gun battles in broad daylight. Man, I have to admit that I gave you way too much credit. You're actually not that bright at all. LOL. The US has it worse than Mexico? LOL. You may know the Star Spangled Banner, but you are clueless about us Americans and about what the reality is. "You got it WORSE! " LOL. Monterreydude, that literally made me spit out my atole. Thanks for the laugh.

So, tell me. What are you hiding? Why the denials? Why the deflections? You love telling lies about me, like that I don't live here in Monterrey. But what's YOUR deal? You sure seem soft on the narcos and almost protective of their image. Maybe there's a reason behind this? Care to elaborate or would you just like to go back to your deflections and pompous dismissals?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]I think you need to reread what you are writing CB.
You're losing track.

Chicago... let me add Flint, Detroit, Washington DC and just recently included, the Bronx where people are not going out in the streets at night.... again, like in the old days.[/QUOTE]All you seem to know how to do is deflect. And you deflect with the most ridiculous things.

The drug related murders, alone, are about double the TOTAL number of murders in Chicago this year. And this is considering the fact that Chicago has more than double the metro population. The overall murder rate in Mexico is nearly triple the number of the United States. Factor in kidnappings, beheadings, grenade attacks, car bombings, rampant assassinations. Throw in completely ineffectual and corrupt law enforcement and you have the recipe for chaos.

To compare Monterrey with any US city is just plain retarded.comparing street gangs and hillbilly militia members to the guerrilla tactics going down here is beyond ridiculous and nobody with real knowledge is buying your BS.

There is not a single person living here in Monterrey who will deny the dangers, why are you doing so?

You may know you're stuff around the clubs, but something stinks about all this denial. So, again, I will ask:

What are you hiding? Why the denials? Why the deflections? You love telling lies about me, like that I don't live here in Monterrey. But what's YOUR deal? You sure seem soft on the narcos and almost protective of their image. Maybe there's a reason behind this? Care to elaborate or would you just like to go back to your deflections and pompous dismissals?

What I've read here the last few weeks, is nothing more than a bash Mexico/US hate fest, and now it's a bash the wealthy class, class envy thing.

If some had to comment on their knowledge of mongering, their posts would be non-existent.

You'all are talking about everybody else having some hidden agenda. I see nothing more than a bash the other guy agenda for weeks on end, and no information from some about the subject at hand.

There seems to be only a couple of you you that actually knows anything about mongering in Monterrey and posts anything on topic.

I just had to chime in. Don't mean to offend anyone, but it's getting pretty dumb. Anybody else on here feelin' the same way?

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]I think you need to reread what you are writing CB.
You're losing track.

Chicago... let me add Flint, Detroit, Washington DC and just recently included, the Bronx where people are not going out in the streets at night.... again, like in the old days.[/QUOTE]

Let me tell you guys. I roamed with the bad boys. I mean dudes you do not even see on TV. I watched 'you know what' go down. I watch ..ah heck .. you won't even understand because you can not relate.

But that was only in Baltimore, Maryland, yes, USA.

In Monterrey, I owned the city. I had body guards on the look out while I did my sh8. MTY Dude told me that someday the girls will wait for me around the corner and take me out.

Still, Monterrey was, until recently, the safest city in MX. I was not aware of the recent changes. I was discussing, with the Reynosa wife, how Reynosa was scary and she said I should see Monterrey. I searched Al Gore's internet and I am saddened to see such a beautiful city go down like this. Such a shame.

The US may not be as scary as MX only because the bad boys here are living the good life instead of fighting the force. They do not have the arm-like pawns nor do they want to live like "Lord of War".

While in MX, they have billions riding on their drug industry and are stronger than the local army. They are forcing the arm of the law here. If you recall, they relaxed the weed and snow law to almost 'legal' and are now thinking of completely legalizing the green and white all together admitting that too many lives have been lost fighting a never ending battle and an easy to breach election card.

So here's the deal. We, the US, are legalizing weed. The only thing is, our 'smart' government could not just come out and say weed is now legal. They started by inventing the medicinal use first where dispensaries started popping up all over the country. Now they slipped in a state wide vote to completely legalize it. Watch Philip Morris trade mark all the strain names and search how much land they have acquired to plant their green. The authorities here are cracking down on growers while corporations are gearing up to monopolize the market.

What the heck was my point? Oh yes, money talks, it says ‘bye bye’ … No, that’s not it.

Drugs are ruling and America, the US, is consuming. Yeah, that’s it.


El Cabron.

Hey guys. Long time. I was thinking of coming to visit but nope. too scary. I'll wait until the cartels declare victory.

[QUOTE=E]
El Cabron.

Hey guys. Long time. I was thinking of coming to visit but nope. too scary. I'll wait until the cartels declare victory.[/QUOTE]


Or you can wait until Calderon (one of the worst presidents Mexico has had in recent modern history) finish his term .. that is if he doesn't provoke the second Mexican revolution first.

[QUOTE=Strike 69]Or you can wait until Calderon (one of the worst presidents Mexico has had in recent modern history) finish his term .. that is if he doesn't provoke the second Mexican revolution first.[/QUOTE]

You know? Think of this world as a big private institute. An institute lead by a couple of inhumane assholes with the lowest regard for life and a colossal hunger for money and power. This is the international federation.

Now think of each country leader as puppet installed to manager that branch on the federation. That’s what we call “Mr. President”

The game then becomes clear. Our most inelegant kindest ever sweetest passionate leader, Dubay said it best “You are either with us, or against us.”

For your listening pleasure: Did you miss me yet? [url]http://www.dubyaspeak.com/[/url]

Don’t be so hard on Calderon. He has to play the game. The game of … I am your president, bow to me while I screw you.

Long gone are the days when we were told: “We are a nation with a government. Not a government with a nation.” Aren’t we supposed to “elect” officials to represent us? Why are the screwing us? Don’t they have their own b8ches to screw?

El Cabron

[QUOTE=Kathleen Britton]Despite the zero help I got from the board experts, I've decided to come on down to Monterrey to live out my swinging fantasy with some of the girls at Infinito. What I'm still figuring out is whether I should plan it with the hubby or just show up to surprise him.

I hope my hubby doesn't find out that I'm paying for my trip with the money I got from selling two of his favorite guns! HaHa.

Much more to come.[/QUOTE]

Kathleen, last I know, Infinito No permita las mujeres. No women allowed and there is nothing you can do about it .... unless I come with you that is ;-)

But seriously. they do now allow women. When asked why, they say it is for the simplt reason that the pervert customers grab anything that moves.

Unless things changed ...

[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]Kathleen, last I know, Infinito No permita las mujeres. No women allowed and there is nothing you can do about it .... unless I come with you that is ;-)

But seriously. they do now allow women. When asked why, they say it is for the simplt reason that the pervert customers grab anything that moves.

Unless things changed ...[/QUOTE]

Correction .. they do NOT allow women.

They still don't and they will not.
Change managers. Our old friend is working now the night shift at El Cielo.
The new one is... not likeable.


[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]Correction .. they do NOT allow women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]Correction .. they do NOT allow women.[/QUOTE]

No worry El Cabron 007...she's a he...he can visit El Infinito and not worry about it. Besides, all that he posts about Monterrey, and about "me," is bogus bullshit. So, no matter what he makes up to post, there are never any real details, which even further reveals he is not knowledgeable about Monterrey, or about me. He certainly doesn't know anything about El Infinito or he would have known that simple fact you so eloquently pointed out El Cabron...WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED.

Here is what has been going on everyone...The poster that likes masquerading as a female believes he knows "ME." He believes he can fuck me in the forum by posting with screen names that he believes relate to my true identity.

At first, I was concerned that he was posting the name I've always used as an alias in Monterrey, and frankly, all over the world. After all, I've been meeting people in Monterrey, and in other venues, using my alias for years. I remember when I first used the screen name...I just picked the name from the past. Then, I just stuck with it. It was easy to remember.

I never actually dreamed that my alias would ever be revealed in the forum. Frankly, I always used my alias because I feared the girls, and what they might try. I always expected it of the girls. I am, frankly, shocked that a fellow monger would stoop so low. I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

But, the reality is, what's in a name, verdad? That's the purpose of an alias. When you've been at this as long as I have, you learn to take precautions. But, that isn't how my stalker got the name of the alias. He got the name of the alias directly from me via internet correspondence, and he has spread it around to a very few number of our other detractors, most of which do not respect the opinions of others, and just can't behave with any proper cyber etiquette.

He wouldn't know me if I walked up behind him and tapped him on the shoulder, or worse. The poster that likes masquerading as a women in the forum, using names that relate to my alias, etc...lets just say he is inextricably linked now to what is going on in the life of my alias by his own hand. Lets just say suspicion upon the actual perpetrators has been diverted, and the more our Mastermind involves himself with the evidence, the deeper he implicates himself in life's consequences outside this forum.

But, he has caused me to change my alias. I have now adopted a new alias, mostly because I don't want to be inextricably linked to a real person whose real life might cost me my own freedom through association.

I've stayed silent long enough. He thinks he's some kind of "Mastermind." But, were I him, I would think twice about linking myself to a real person I know nothing about. Notice, I said "person,' and not "name." What's in a name?

I know my nemesis' name, I know his personal details, I know who he freelances with, I know his legitimate cyberlife, I know his profession...I don't desire to "spar" with him in the "ring," or react to his taunting. That's why I have ignored him up to now.

Enough said, back to the purpose of the forum, and lets stop the nonsense, trying to fuck each other just because our egos can't tolerate the opinions of others, or their contribution within this forum.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]They still don't and they will not.
Change managers. Our old friend is working now the night shift at El Cielo.
The new one is... not likeable.[/QUOTE]

I know...every time I see our old friend, exiled to El Cielo, I can read the sadness in his face over his having to endure the reality of his demotion. He is constantly trying to find me girls in El Cielo, which ain't easy at times, because El Cielo ain't no El Infinito. His available inventory for referral is virtually non-existent at El Cielo compared to El Infinito. I try throwing him a bone once in a while, but las propinas are not what they once were for him.

And, there's another thing that needs saying...

A number of months ago, some members of the forum focused upon the dangers that they believed existed to those visiting El Infinito in particular, and Monterrey in general.

At that time, their focus upon warning about the dangers seemed to me to be just too much, over the top. After all, we were hearing stories relayed by the girls that were bogus, etc...things we knew were not true. And most of the warnings we read here were conjecture, and not based upon any direct experience within the bar scene.

At that time, I believe they were engaged in an exaggeration of the facts on the ground with respect to danger level. I still believe to this day that those posters have very little, if any, real experience in Monterrey, or El Infinito. I believe that their warnings were informed conjecture based upon their own circumstances in areas where I believe they frequent, which I believe is probably a venue closer to the border, where the danger level was, and is, more intense, even now. In the months since their warnings, the exposure to an increased danger level has migrated to a frequency in Monterrey that is still less than what is occurring in the border towns.

But, I am prepared at this time to offer them an apology...

While I don't believe the dangers were nearly as high at the time they offered their warnings as they are now, I do believe that over the course of about 6 months, the levels have certainly increased to a point where there are significantly increased incidents that warrant being much more cautious here.

Am I prepared to tell people to stay away from Monterrey? No, I do not think that your being akin to a "grain of sand on the beach" with respect to your being lost among the millions of people here offers the likelihood that you will personally endure any harm were you to visit Monterrey, provided you watch your back.

Personally, I do not believe the risk is as high in attending El Infinito as it is just being in some of the neighborhoods of Monterrey, or on the roadways between say the border and several miles outside the city, or in El Oxxo in Apodaca at night, etc...

With regard to a comparison between Chicago and Monterrey, at this juncture I believe there really is no valid comparison between the two. But, at the time that comparison was made, the danger level in Monterrey was not nearly what it is today. Besides, believe me, parts of Chicago are certainly every bit more dangerous as El Centro Monterrey, where you would be spending most of your time if attending the bars. But, that doesn't mean you should drop your guard while visiting Monterrey, and/or El Centro, or Chicago for that matter.

With regard to El Infinito, it receives recommendations because it is the undisputed crown jewel of the bars in Monterrey...that is, it displays a surprisingly high level of quality of selection for the money. It is not recommended for comfort, or ambiance. But, naturally, for it's superior quality of selection alone, it's going to be the subject of commentary. That's the legitimate reason why you see it referred to here, not because anyone has a particular desire to promote it for personal gain.

Were we hearing recommendations here for Amnesia or one of the high end clubs, then I would be more suspicious. They pay money for referrals and recommendations. ie: tipping taxis, etc...So, were I to hear a concentrated effort here to promote them, I would be suspicious. But, El Infinito does NOT need any recommendations...It is packed night and day with patrons. Besides, it's low end, and the price does not justify the promotional costs that would be associated with there being some concerted effort to pay off people to recommend it.

So, why is it the subject of conversations....Because, when asked, to omit El Infinito in a recommendation would be negligent. So, in my commenting about it now, my purpose is simply to reveal my own opinion that I do not see an environment there that makes an increase in danger level any more evident on the surface than I saw there 6 months ago, or 3 years ago for that matter.

But, admittedly, the dangers can be underlying the surface, and for that reason, I echo that when visiting there, or any of the bars, I would do so with a greater degree of awareness than perhaps was necessary even only 6 months ago.

I would recommend that you not linger in El Infinito, but do your business and cut more quickly to the chase than you might have in the past. That has always been my own preference anyway. I don't linger in El Infinito. I have for many years always just flown through there, in and out, wham bam...and now, with the escalated violence in Monterrey, I believe it's also a part of watching your own back, part of being that grain of sand on the beach.

I don't know, but I'm sure you'll make something up...you always do...you certainly don't know shit about Monterrey or El Infinito.

And with the regard to the Captain1201 screen name, and your use of it to masquerade as Chesterboy, lets clarify that, if for no other reason than to at least let Chesterboy know that you're also fucking with him, and who knows whom else within this forum.

See, guys, I told you the forum was full of bullshitters and trolls. And, Chesterboy, I owe you an apology, assuming you are not also our Mastermind in disguise, but I don't think so. I believe you are a legit poster Chesterboy.

Chesterboy, our Mastermind decided to do an internet search based on the name of my alias. He found that my alias has a screen name on another unrelated website, Captain1201. He used it to masquerade as you, but he made a very amateurish mistake, commenting as you with statements that did not correlate with your prior statements. Some did not really catch on, and neither did I at first...they/we believed you had made in error in your comments, but our Mastermind was just wanting to mess with our forum.

You see, he has this psychotic ego, and when he goes off his meds he can not tolerate that some of us have comments we enjoy posting here, and he can not tolerate a difference of opinion, even if it's made with decorum and politeness. He can not tolerate that we do know our shit. He knows his shit in his section, and he thinks he know his shit on his other websites.

But, NO, he must be in control. Part of that stems from the narcisism that is inherent with some people that are in his same profession, and part of it has to do with his being " very active" in a few other quasi legitimate, but relatively insignificant websites.

What our Mastermind does not know is you are closer to being accurate with your hunches concerning the drug cartels than you may have thought, only different. Well, not really totally accurate, but close. You see, my alias is well known in my community. He is some kind of Federal Agent or something, and he travels to Mexico regularly. I don't know the particulars, but I can only assume he travels on official business...he undoubtedly has ties to the drug cartels, but not the type you suspected, but ties none the less. So, you were lunging into a measure of the truth with respect to my alias anyway.

Hey, Mr. Mastermind Stalker, this game is really FUN, FUN, FUN...maybe I should visit you at your websites, using my alias, maybe make a few more of them up myself like you have, maybe publish the links here so all our members can enjoy your commentary over there, and maybe we can all offer a contrary opinion to your drivel over there. Wouldn't that be fun!!! :-)))))))

You know, Mr. Mastermind Stalker, I was going to just ignore you, but it is kind of fun to fuck with you now. I may still grow bored with your amateurish assumptions, and your unethical behavior. It does kind of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off that you are such a slug that you would try to out me in the forum, even if it doesn't really effect me. But, it could REALLY, REALLY effect you. I'm sure my alias has some close personal ties to some really nice Mexican Drug Agents himself. Maybe I'll drop a dime, and let Randy know just exactly who is posting his wife's name in the forum. :-))) Wouldn't that be interesting???

I heard kind of funny thing today...There is a new club located on Madero, just a little bit further down from Harem. The new club has been named "El Infi."

As some are aware, that is a commonly known term of endearment to describe the club "El Infinito." Apparently, the owners of "El Infi" are hoping to capitalize on the name through association. But, to my knowledge, there is no association, other than both clubs market to the working classes.

See, imitation is the best form of flattery. Were El Infinito of no consequence in the Monterrey venue, who would care to name a club after it's nickname so they could capitalize on it's fame and fortune, hoping to pick up the scraps left over from the big dog?

Anybody visited "El Infi" yet?

By far this has been the most disappointing visit to Monterrey; the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night. The worst part is that I encountered a tranny in the privado at Infinito. I can tell trannys apart but was fooled by the low light and the small number of women at infinito. I am not saying this for you guys to go to other strip bars. Infinito is still good but keep an open eye, to avoid the tranny surprise. Seems that my girlfriend at infinito moved back to her rancho in Sinaloa. Also taxi's were saying that they might impose a curfew on the city, which i think is impossible, but who knows with mexico going down to the Shi%*er recently. Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir. Please mongers don't venture away from the city.

Stay safe everyone.

HAHAHAH, that's rich! :-))))))))))

One thing I can tell you, if there was a tranny working in El Infinito, there would be nothing short of a riot in the privados.

And, I doubt She/He would even make it into the privados. The girls would rip her/him limb to limb. Competition is fierce in El Infinito.

Tell you what I'll do Mr. "Mastermind," I will personally visit El Infinito tonight to confirm your report. I'll even reveal the name of the supposed Tranny here so we all don't fall into the abis.

Yeah right, stay safe everybody! :-)))


[QUOTE=Marius 67]By far this has been the most disappointing visit to Monterrey; the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night. The worst part is that I encountered a tranny in the privado at Infinito. I can tell trannys apart but was fooled by the low light and the small number of women at infinito. I am not saying this for you guys to go to other strip bars. Infinito is still good but keep an open eye, to avoid the tranny surprise. Seems that my girlfriend at infinito moved back to her rancho in Sinaloa. Also taxi's were saying that they might impose a curfew on the city, which i think is impossible, but who knows with mexico going down to the Shi%*er recently. Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir. Please mongers don't venture away from the city.

Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

Trannies working at Infinito?

Pure and unadulterated BS.

1. Marius, how in the world can a tranny slip in to work at Infinito if the girls have to strip buck naked on stage???

2. You think the strippers are like kind of stupid, low IQ humanoid beings??? You think they wouldn't have noticed at their dressing room that one of the "girls" has a stick shift??? You think they are stupid enough to let it pass so it would affect business???

3. You encountered a tranny... in what way??? You said hello, or what???

4. We Mexicans are openly homophobic, we are not bound by stupid laws that force us to respect gays above heterosexuals. If there were trannies working on strip clubs... they would be beaten as close to dead as possible by the customers... and the police would do nothing at all.

5. Trannies have there own "free for all" SCs if you want to check them out: Muxets and Papi Chulo on Zaragoza street.

5. Marius, you are trying to impose on Infinito an urban legend that goes around on ALL strip clubs "there's a trannie working undercover"... not new, read that, heard that, all equal to total BS.

And....
Impose a curfew on Monterrey... oh come on Marius!!!
If they haven't imposed it on Juarez where violence and death is as common as meat and potatoes, they are not going to impose it on Monterrey.





[QUOTE=Marius 67]By far this has been the most disappointing visit to Monterrey; the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night. The worst part is that I encountered a tranny in the privado at Infinito. I can tell trannys apart but was fooled by the low light and the small number of women at infinito. I am not saying this for you guys to go to other strip bars. Infinito is still good but keep an open eye, to avoid the tranny surprise. Seems that my girlfriend at infinito moved back to her rancho in Sinaloa. Also taxi's were saying that they might impose a curfew on the city, which i think is impossible, but who knows with mexico going down to the Shi%*er recently. Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir. Please mongers don't venture away from the city.

Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

I take it back, calling Marius our "Mastermind." Our Mastermind knows Mexican society. He lives in Mexico. He knows what Mexican males would do to a tranny in El Infinito. So, I hereby retract my accusation. He would never have said such a thing with his level of experience...

It occurs to me that Marius may have seen the openly gay waiter, the really fat one with the mascara and the makeup, the died blonde hair. I don't remember his name, but he's a fixture at El Infinito. But, you can't mistake him for anything other than an effeminant male waiter, wearing the waiters uniform, name tag, etc...Maybe they promoted him to dancer... :-)))) yeah, right!

The clubs are full of gay male waiters. In that respect, there seems to be tolerance. But a tranny masquerading as a female, that will get you killed in a straight club in Mexico.

Interestingly, there are some straight clubs that are managed by gay managers in Monterrey. The owners figure they'll keep their mitts off the girls I guess.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Trannies working at Infinito?

Pure and unadulterated BS.

1. Marius, how in the world can a tranny slip in to work at Infinito if the girls have to strip buck naked on stage???

2. You think the strippers are like kind of stupid, low IQ humanoid beings??? You think they wouldn't have noticed at their dressing room that one of the "girls" has a stick shift??? You think they are stupid enough to let it pass so it would affect business???

3. You encountered a tranny... in what way??? You said hello, or what???

4. We Mexicans are openly homophobic, we are not bound by stupid laws that force us to respect gays above heterosexuals. If there were trannies working on strip clubs... they would be beaten as close to dead as possible by the customers... and the police would do nothing at all.

5. Trannies have there own "free for all" SCs if you want to check them out: Muxets and Papi Chulo on Zaragoza street.

5. Marius, you are trying to impose on Infinito an urban legend that goes around on ALL strip clubs "there's a trannie working undercover"... not new, read that, heard that, all equal to total BS.

And....
Impose a curfew on Monterrey... oh come on Marius!!!
If they haven't imposed it on Juarez where violence and death is as common as meat and potatoes, they are not going to impose it on Monterrey.[/QUOTE]

This is strange indeed: "Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir."

Many posts ago you told us there was no bus service between Ciudad Mier and Monterrey and as a matter of fact there is still none cause that part of the state of Tamaulipas is extremely dangerous to drive through.

Either you are making up that part of the story, or you are braver than we thought driving your own car in such a god-forgiven place.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]By far this has been the most disappointing visit to Monterrey; the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night. The worst part is that I encountered a tranny in the privado at Infinito. I can tell trannys apart but was fooled by the low light and the small number of women at infinito. I am not saying this for you guys to go to other strip bars. Infinito is still good but keep an open eye, to avoid the tranny surprise. Seems that my girlfriend at infinito moved back to her rancho in Sinaloa. Also taxi's were saying that they might impose a curfew on the city, which i think is impossible, but who knows with mexico going down to the Shi%*er recently. Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir. Please mongers don't venture away from the city.

Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

El Cazador says: "El Norte newspaper recently show facts that in 2007 there was 2300 murders in Monterrey and its areas and we are now going to have more than 13000 murders for 2010."

2300??? 13000 for 2010???
I think you are adding a few more zeros than you are supposed to???


[QUOTE=El Cazador]I read you continue to talk down the dangers that occuring in Monterrey right now. No one here think that way and thats why I dont think you live here or have many friends in Monterrey. Three weeks ago, five innocent youths was shot and killed in Monterreys largest mall. That same week, two men was shot and killed right outside Tequila Azul mens club after leaving the club. A policewoman was shot and killed last night. Dead bodies sometimes without heads are routinely dropped on the highway from Monterrey to Laredo. El Norte newspaper recently show facts that in 2007 there was 2300 murders in Monterrey and its areas and we are now going to have more than 13000 murders for 2010. And many crimes and murders not reported by the police or media because is bad for politically and for business her.

You guys want to come here be safe and dont go to nonpopulated areas downtown late at night. It is dangerous here right now.[/QUOTE]

My parting comments in that prior post were facetious, mostly just a whimsical recommendation that all be “careful” with respect to the trannies that are supposedly terrorizing El Infinito.

Listen, I am not diminishing the terrible horror that persists in Mexico, nor am I uncaring with respect to the individuals or families that have fallen victim to the awful criminals.

Warnings that there is danger are not ill-advised...

But, some directly gain personally from promoting the fear that relates to the mayhem. Therefore, those warnings are not entirely benevolent on their part, nor are they entirely accurate either. Because, promoting the fear benefits them directly. Some of that goes on right here on this website, and to a much greater degree in cyberspace elsewhere by their own hand.

For those that live here day to day, there is really little alternative. I don’t advocate others come to Mexico blindly without first understanding that there may be risks, and mitigating those risks through intelligent, informed security measures themselves. I am more secure living here as a result of my own security measures than some.

But, the average visitor for a few days need not utilize those same tactics to remain safe. Just being a little more aware of your surroundings is all that is necessary to survive a few days in the bars, visiting the massage parlors, or calling upon escorts. You are like a grain of sand on the beach in this city of five million.

I do agree with you with regard to choosing modes of travel, being in "non-populated areas late at night." Where we differ is your stipulation that "downtown" is somehow more dangerous than on the outskirts of the city late at night, or high profile, heavily populated areas of the city.

Downtown is relatively secure in comparison. Fact is, the news reports here are always about something horrible happening in the populated areas of the city, on the outskirts of the city, or in the busy public places around the city. Fact is, the Downtown area rarely makes the news beyond petty crime. So, yes, I do live her, and yes, I am aware of what parts of the city endure the greater likelihood for deadly violence. And, I have never, in all the years here, ever experienced the level of threats you warn about when attending the bars in El Centro. I am not saying it can not happen, but I don't believe El Centro is any more dangerous than anywhere else in the city. Five Million of us have to live here...and it is what it is...so be it.


[QUOTE=El Cazador]I read you continue to talk down the dangers that occuring in Monterrey right now. No one here think that way and thats why I dont think you live here or have many friends in Monterrey. Three weeks ago, five innocent youths was shot and killed in Monterreys largest mall. That same week, two men was shot and killed right outside Tequila Azul mens club after leaving the club. A policewoman was shot and killed last night. Dead bodies sometimes without heads are routinely dropped on the highway from Monterrey to Laredo. El Norte newspaper recently show facts that in 2007 there was 2300 murders in Monterrey and its areas and we are now going to have more than 13000 murders for 2010. And many crimes and murders not reported by the police or media because is bad for politically and for business her.

You guys want to come here be safe and dont go to nonpopulated areas downtown late at night. It is dangerous here right now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]This is strange indeed: "Saw some dead burned bodies during the road trip to Monterrey in Cuidad Meir."[/QUOTE]While I don't want to totally call BS, Cuidad Meir is really off the normal path to Monterrey.

That, and while I wouldn't personally be too concerned about hitting the clubs in Monterrey, that strip of small towns east of Reynosa and along the border to Falcon Lake (C. Guerrero and Ancient Guerrero) is pretty much the stronghold of the Zetas. Those are all small towns, generally don't hold any appeal to anyone here in the first place, and it's not smart to be going into any of them right now.

Monterrey ... eh ... a different matter. Monterrey is pretty peaceful from what we are hearing down here in the Rio Grande Valley.

And Reynosa has actually been pretty peaceful until the last few months.

[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was in Miguel Aleman, Mexico today. [/QUOTE]Honestly, why would you be in Miguel Aleman? It's not on the way to anywhere, and it's a tiny little town with no industry.

And it's a Zeta stronghold. One of maybe 4 towns along the border that EVERYONE knows it isn't smart to be in.

[QUOTE=Marius 67]The buses are still not running to Monterrey. [/QUOTE]They sure are running to Monterrey from Reynosa. There is a company running some brand new double decker over-the-road buses along that route.

And anyone seriously planning to get from Miguel Aleman to Monterrey would logically transfer at either Reynosa or maybe Nuevo Laredo.

I was in the privado at infinito, the girl/guy bent over and low and behold a pair of hairy nuts. When I was walking upstairs to the privado a sixth sense hit me that this was a tranny, but I ignored my gut feeling thinking, no way! Also this past Tuesday morning the Mexican Military had sealed off some streets in El Centro de Monterrey, my taxi also passed by the Plaza del Arco Express which is currently used by Mexican federal agents; it was blocked off with agents in full gear ready to go to war at about 11pm. This is not the same Monterrey I've visited in the past. Maybe I need to call Monterreydude next time I venture out there. The Noreste bus line has resumed bus routes from Miguel Aleman to Monterrey. I commented to a taxi about the dead bodies I saw in Cuidad Meir. He told me it was only decorations for Halloween; haha; I can assure everyone here that they were not holloween props! Also seems that they have opened El Pantheron (now under another name) close to infinito. Found a new eating spot too; El Centrika it's a mall with a walmart and a food court; Gorditas dona Tota is the best of all in the food court. The girl I finally picked for a salidad at Infinito gave me some sad ass rushed job back at the hotel. I'am so pist that I might just post her picture; the only good thing about the trip was a late night dinner at the Palax with a MILF escort Monterreydude recommended a while back. Thank You Sir! I still have faith that things will make a turn for the better.

Marius had me until "burned bodies". LOL!!!
Circumstances have kept me (physically) away from Monterrey since August but I have been in continuous contact with girlfriend there, I have been considering visiting in the next month or 2. I couldn't care less if the peasant skank population at Infinito includes a tranny, but am concerned about spending my precious time where "the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night". Hey just like this forum. :-)

Can anyone confirm or deny?
If this is still the case I am thinking about flying her out to a more happening and more neutral location - sorry for taking all the good ones away from you all!!!

Nothing has changed...the traffic patterns are as snarled as usual, maybe just a little less traffic slightly earlier at night compared to usual, a little less activity in places like Bario Antiqua, things tapering off just slightly earlier than usual. With respect to the bars, like always, some of them are jam packed, and others of them are dead. But, overall, I haven't noticed much of a difference since your last visit in August.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]Marius had me until "burned bodies". LOL!!!
Circumstances have kept me (physically) away from Monterrey since August but I have been in continuous contact with girlfriend there, I have been considering visiting in the next month or 2. I couldn't care less if the peasant skank population at Infinito includes a tranny, but am concerned about spending my precious time where "the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night". Hey just like this forum. :-)

Can anyone confirm or deny?
If this is still the case I am thinking about flying her out to a more happening and more neutral location - sorry for taking all the good ones away from you all!!![/QUOTE]

Blourghus, am still going to Infinito afternoon shift (blond girl with braces sands "hi" to you everytime I see her now).
Am still going at least one night a week to do my club hopping... of course am home at the latest 1 am.

AND no trannies at Infinito. Pure BS.




[QUOTE=Blourghus]Marius had me until "burned bodies". LOL!!!
Circumstances have kept me (physically) away from Monterrey since August but I have been in continuous contact with girlfriend there, I have been considering visiting in the next month or 2. I couldn't care less if the peasant skank population at Infinito includes a tranny, but am concerned about spending my precious time where "the city seems dead. No one seems to go out anymore at night". Hey just like this forum. :-)

Can anyone confirm or deny?
If this is still the case I am thinking about flying her out to a more happening and more neutral location - sorry for taking all the good ones away from you all!!![/QUOTE]

Just because your Infinito girl gave you the bums rush, don't think it's indicative of any decline in Monterrey. Fact is, it happens all the time, and those results are more likely to happen if you are rushed in making your selection.

We all go through it, and I am no less pissed about it when it happens to me. But, when the disappointments come, I've found that there is usually some outstanding encounter just around the corner that renews my ambition.

The idea that Monterrey is somehow slipping has entered my mind so many countless times in the past...and just when you've decided to cross it off the list...BANG...she comes out of nowhere, and all confidence is restored until the next disappointment...which is also inevitable. Just chalk it off to experience, bad karma, whatever, and keep moving forward.

The Federal Police have been staying in Plaza Del Arco Express for months upon months, first at Plaza Del Arco, and now over at Plaze Del Arco Express. It's a little ominous to see them guarding the entrance to the hotel, but under the circumstances, with them bringing the fight to the cartels, and with their having such visibility, it's a smart thing for them to do. I don't recall any incidents of them ever being hit by the cartels there. But, I do NOT dawdle around there either when walking past. THAT is one of those security measures I was talking about.

With regard to the burned bodies...Marius, you are very sensitive to their being a greater potential for disaster these days when you travel to Monterrey, and understandably so. But, I respectfully suggest that perhaps your deeper sensibilities are causing you to jump to conclusions. You may just be reporting on your fears, and not really seeing the reality. Logically, being this time of the month, it's very likely that what you saw was Halloween related.

With respect to the tranny in El Infinito, I am not sure how that may psychologically relate to your fearful premonitions with respect to the cartels, burned bodies, etc...but what you believe you saw in the privados is almost more frightening than the burned bodies.

Perhaps the cartels have found a way to actually terrorize us without firing a shot! :-)))


[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was in the privado at infinito, the girl/guy bent over and low and behold a pair of hairy nuts. When I was walking upstairs to the privado a sixth sense hit me that this was a tranny, but I ignored my gut feeling thinking, no way! Also this past Tuesday morning the Mexican Military had sealed off some streets in El Centro de Monterrey, my taxi also passed by the Plaza del Arco Express which is currently used by Mexican federal agents; it was blocked off with agents in full gear ready to go to war at about 11pm. This is not the same Monterrey I've visited in the past. Maybe I need to call Monterreydude next time I venture out there. The Noreste bus line has resumed bus routes from Miguel Aleman to Monterrey. I commented to a taxi about the dead bodies I saw in Cuidad Meir. He told me it was only decorations for Halloween; haha; I can assure everyone here that they were not holloween props! Also seems that they have opened El Pantheron (now under another name) close to infinito. Found a new eating spot too; El Centrika it's a mall with a walmart and a food court; Gorditas dona Tota is the best of all in the food court. The girl I finally picked for a salidad at Infinito gave me some sad ass rushed job back at the hotel. I'am so pist that I might just post her picture; the only good thing about the trip was a late night dinner at the Palax with a MILF escort Monterreydude recommended a while back. Thank You Sir! I still have faith that things will make a turn for the better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]
We all go through it, and I am no less pissed about it when it happens to me. But, when the disappointments come, I've found that there is usually some outstanding encounter just around the corner that renews my ambition.

The idea that Monterrey is somehow slipping has entered my mind so many countless times in the past...and just when you've decided to cross it off the list...BANG...she comes out of nowhere, and all confidence is restored until the next disappointment...which is also inevitable. Just chalk it off to experience, bad karma, whatever, and keep moving forward.
[/QUOTE]

This is an interesting way to quantify things, but I've met that one in a billion lady who brings it in the most podunk off the track little town, most though I wouldn't really recommend only on that basis, many I wouldn't recommend at all to anybody, because I'm not sure so I'm not sure that finding just one lady means that the whole the city is a commenable mongering destination, with other guys able to repeat your own findings. More luck & the law of averages, if you go to enough places you will meet the perfect lady, doesn't necessarily mean that city is so special.

Other international cities elsewhere I go to regularly seem to be getting better & better, and on each every visit the ladies get prettier, not to mention classier & more sophisticated, and lots more of them, and more of them equipped how I like them, new clubs being built out and opening up, increased safety & security, and more and more ladies. One of my favorite cities which I was in earlier in the month is totally unrecognizable compared to my first trip (or even my most recent visit just last year), due to build out of lots of fancy new high end bars - trends I'm just not seeing in Monterrey or elsewhere in Mexico over the longer term (renovating a bar which was firebombed by drug gangs does not count as new construction). Other international cities have had outstanding 2009-2010 but it has been rough time for Mexico, we can only hope it will catch back up over the longer term.

I would never dare contradict Blourghus in the sense that he is an incredible international monger, full of experience...
But there are a couple of things of that make him favor a city, country or club:

1. It's not the aspect of the city. Those of us that know you, know that your judgement is biased in favor of girls that wear braces.
So that makes you like "open season" for girls with lots of metal.
ONe thing, I always wondered why there were not that many girls with braces around the clubs here in Monterrey, but I've been asking and getting the same response. Girls have their teeth set by their early teenage years.

2. Blourghus, you are too innocent in one thing: You fall for the girl without measuring consequences. Am surprised you keep asking what goes on in Monterrey when I know that you've been too personal to girls in far more dangerous places such as Nuevo Laredo.
My friend, you have been lucky like hell.

3. You are a bachelor. You have way an adavantage over all us.
That tips the balance in your favor by a mile.
a) you can tell the girl honestly that you have no ties back home. If the girl likes you, she'll fall faster for you if she knows there is no danger dating you, cause there are no lies to deal with, no deceptions, no fear that you are hiding something.
b) you can give the girls your phone number with not strings attached, no conditions. she can call whenever she wants to.
c) you can stay at a place as long as you want to or leave as fast as you like to.
d) you can go anywhere you want to, in public, with any of your novias. The girls can openly say "this gringo is a bachelor and he's all mine" (for the meanwhile)
e) You can become friends with the girls family, totally in an honest way, which tips the balance again in your favor without having the need to lie.
f) again, you are a bachelor, whatever you do, we can only envy.





[QUOTE=Blourghus]This is an interesting way to quantify things, but I've met that one in a billion lady who brings it in the most podunk off the track little town, most though I wouldn't really recommend only on that basis, many I wouldn't recommend at all to anybody, because I'm not sure so I'm not sure that finding just one lady means that the whole the city is a commenable mongering destination, with other guys able to repeat your own findings. More luck & the law of averages, if you go to enough places you will meet the perfect lady, doesn't necessarily mean that city is so special.

Other international cities elsewhere I go to regularly seem to be getting better & better, and on each every visit the ladies get prettier, not to mention classier & more sophisticated, and lots more of them, and more of them equipped how I like them, new clubs being built out and opening up, increased safety & security, and more and more ladies. One of my favorite cities which I was in earlier in the month is totally unrecognizable compared to my first trip (or even my most recent visit just last year), due to build out of lots of fancy new high end bars - trends I'm just not seeing in Monterrey or elsewhere in Mexico over the longer term (renovating a bar which was firebombed by drug gangs does not count as new construction). Other international cities have had outstanding 2009-2010 but it has been rough time for Mexico, we can only hope it will catch back up over the longer term.[/QUOTE]

I will go completely out on a limb by saying that my experience has been that the girls that are from the podunk towns, ie: "country girls," in an admittedly unscientific statistical average, turn out to be "nicer" with respect to personality and disposition. They seem more pleasant to spend time with than the sophisticated "floosies" from the Big City.

And, dare I say that girls from that point of reference are also much more impressed with having actually landed a Gringo companion, something they never dreamed they would ever actually achieve. So, perhaps they appreciate us more than the sophisticated "City Slickers" we often encounter.

So, could it be that the "City" itself isn't so much the contributing factor to your satisfaction with your girl from the podunk town, but perhaps it just comes back to that old saying that people from the country are just a little nicer, happier, easier going, and more appreciative of things?

That's what I suspect after having met hundreds upon hundreds of girls, and crunching the unscientific success ratio based upon my own satisfaction/girl's origins. I now believe this so much so, that I am motivated to visit the podunk towns to confirm or deny my hypothesis.

Unfortunately, there is just too little time to do the research in the podunk town environment. Therefore, over the years I've been limited to find the ones in Monterrey that have landed in the "big city," but have small town origins and upbringings.

I am so convinced of this hypothesis now that their "origins" should be an important part of everyone's interviewing process.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]This is an interesting way to quantify things, but I've met that one in a billion lady who brings it in the most podunk off the track little town, most though I wouldn't really recommend only on that basis, many I wouldn't recommend at all to anybody, because I'm not sure so I'm not sure that finding just one lady means that the whole the city is a commenable mongering destination, with other guys able to repeat your own findings. More luck & the law of averages, if you go to enough places you will meet the perfect lady, doesn't necessarily mean that city is so special.

Other international cities elsewhere I go to regularly seem to be getting better & better, and on each every visit the ladies get prettier, not to mention classier & more sophisticated, and lots more of them, and more of them equipped how I like them, new clubs being built out and opening up, increased safety & security, and more and more ladies. One of my favorite cities which I was in earlier in the month is totally unrecognizable compared to my first trip (or even my most recent visit just last year), due to build out of lots of fancy new high end bars - trends I'm just not seeing in Monterrey or elsewhere in Mexico over the longer term (renovating a bar which was firebombed by drug gangs does not count as new construction). Other international cities have had outstanding 2009-2010 but it has been rough time for Mexico, we can only hope it will catch back up over the longer term.[/QUOTE]

Arrived in Monterrey yesterday and have been catching up on all the good information in these forums. So first, thanks!

I don't speak Spanish but have tried looking around to see what MPs are available. Thinking about heading to Marchella 220 on Allende thanks to MonterreyDude!

Is it any good and safe for a non-spanish speaking dude like me? Also, all over its website ([url]http://pompis.com.mx/4606.html[/url]) it states 600 so should I assume that's what I should be paying for FS?

Thanks!

Yes it is Toasterman.

There might be a point to tipping.
If such is the case, make it no more than 200 pesos.

PS: no walking at night!!!! Not that it is dangerous, but that area where Marsella is... it is kinda empty after working hours.



[QUOTE=Toasterman78]Arrived in Monterrey yesterday and have been catching up on all the good information in these forums. So first, thanks!

I don't speak Spanish but have tried looking around to see what MPs are available. Thinking about heading to Marchella 220 on Allende thanks to MonterreyDude!

Is it any good and safe for a non-spanish speaking dude like me? Also, all over its website ([url]http://pompis.com.mx/4606.html[/url]) it states 600 so should I assume that's what I should be paying for FS?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

It has been a few days since your post, Toasterman, so maybe you've already gone, but if not I would say Marcella is a good choice if you don't speak Spanish. I don't speak it but have found the guys who work downstairs to be patient and friendly, and some of the girls there speak good English. 600 should include CBJ, FS, and maybe a few other small things for 40 minutes. I think what is included is posted on the walls of the rooms. (Some girls will try to upsell though.) With a central location and clean rooms, I have found it to be a good place to start in Monterrey. The only thing is the number of girls really varies by time and day. The other MP I have been to is Versace (thanks to Monterreydude), and I liked that, too.

If you did/do go, it would nice to hear what you think of the place.

[QUOTE=Toasterman78]Arrived in Monterrey yesterday and have been catching up on all the good information in these forums. So first, thanks!

I don't speak Spanish but have tried looking around to see what MPs are available. Thinking about heading to Marchella 220 on Allende thanks to MonterreyDude!

Is it any good and safe for a non-spanish speaking dude like me? Also, all over its website ([url]http://pompis.com.mx/4606.html[/url]) it states 600 so should I assume that's what I should be paying for FS?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Yes it is Toasterman.
PS: no walking at night!!!! Not that it is dangerous,...[/QUOTE]
All due respect to the M-dude, but,

Not dangerous? Then why no walking afterdark, I mean, if it is not dangerous?

I thought that statement seemed counter intuitive too...

But, I have walked these dark areas many times alone, sometimes until 3-4am, and never had even a hint of any danger that an incident might occur.

But, as I am doing it, it always feels a little eerie because it's not well lit. I suppose the recommendation to not walk in such environments just makes good sense, but there aren't incidents you can point to that substantiate there being much danger in actually doing so.

But, with the escalated violence in Mexico these days, not walking in well lit areas is probably the more common kind of advice, just to mitigate the possibility that you will end up being one of the petty crime statistics.

On the other hand, being cloaked in darkness may actually be safer than walking in well lit, busier areas of Monterrey these days. It seems the likelihood that you will fall victim to the escalated violence here has more to do with congregating in busy, well lit, public places, and exposing your own vulnerability.

I don't know...Maybe staying to the shadows is your better strategy. I would rather deal with the petty criminal than the drug cartels in many respects, but preferably neither, hence the warning not to walk much at night whether it's lit, dark, or whatever.

For now, I recommend you take taxis at night, regardless of the environment, and walk less than you might have in the past, not because it is particularly more dangerous with respect to any certain area, lit or unlit, etc...but because Monterrey as a whole is more dangerous than it has ever been, and the "danger" is not specific to any statistical likelihood that one area is going to be more dangerous than another.

Incidents are occurring these days in areas where you would have normally felt perfectly safe in the past, and not occurring in areas where you would have made the logical assumption that they have a greater likelihood of being dangerous.


[QUOTE=Bbond]All due respect to the M-dude, but,

Not dangerous? Then why no walking afterdark, I mean, if it is not dangerous?[/QUOTE]

It has been a few days since your post, Toasterman, so maybe you've already gone, but if not I would say Marcella is a good choice if you don't speak Spanish. I don't speak it but have found the guys who work downstairs to be patient and friendly, and some of the girls there speak good English. 600 should include CBJ, FS, and maybe a few other small things for 40 minutes. I think what is included is posted on the walls of the rooms. (Some girls will try to upsell though.) With a central location and clean rooms, I have found it to be a good place to start in Monterrey. The only thing is the number of girls really varies by time and day. The other MP I have been to is Versace (thanks to Monterreydude), and I liked that, too.

If you did/do go, it would nice to hear what you think of the place.

[QUOTE=Toasterman78]Arrived in Monterrey yesterday and have been catching up on all the good information in these forums. So first, thanks!

I don't speak Spanish but have tried looking around to see what MPs are available. Thinking about heading to Marchella 220 on Allende thanks to MonterreyDude!

Is it any good and safe for a non-spanish speaking dude like me? Also, all over its website ([url]http://pompis.com.mx/4606.html[/url]) it states 600 so should I assume that's what I should be paying for FS?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Bbond, as you can see not even USB has a notion of where that part of the downtown area is.
That part of the city IS the downtown area, but a part of the downtown area that becomes empty after office hours.
It is not part of the club scene and streets, it is right in the middle of the road between the hotel disctrict and the clubs.
It's off by several blocks to the East of Cuahutemoc ave. in a small not well lit street.
Monterrey has all MPs spread all over the map, Marsella is an area not quite favorable to arrive via foot at night, contrary to let's say, Misses, Extravagance where you have to go in taxi cause of the distance.
Walking via foot implies walking 6 blocks from the the Sheraton Ambassador or 16 blocks from Infinito... so you guys that know the city now have a decent reference.

Let me put it this way BB, I have only driven past Marsella in my car a couple of times and for investigative reasons only.
That will give you an idea that the street is not a main or secondary street... just a plain ordinary street that is off the normal vehicular routes.





[QUOTE=Bbond]All due respect to the M-dude, but,

Not dangerous? Then why no walking afterdark, I mean, if it is not dangerous?[/QUOTE]

I've walked to Marsella from the Sheraton in the day time and there is nothing to be worried about. What was implied regarding walking at night, wasn't that it is unsafe, but that we should all take the same precautions we would take in any big city. Which would be don't walk around areas that are desolate, dark, and off the beaten path. Yes, you can hoof all over sections of Monterrey in all hours of the day and night. But, as with any big city, there are areas that would best be avoided. Doesn't make the city unsafe. Plus, if you walk there at night thinking with your little head, after you're done and are walking home in the dark your big head is going to be scared.

No...I know exactly where that street is, and it's just as you described it, on a very infrequently traveled side street that is very "lonely," even during the day.

But, the more important point I was making is that the violence that's in Monterrey these days knows no boundaries. The criteria you would normally consider in mitigating your exposure to danger with respect to staying in safe areas, does not apply these days.

It could be just as dangerous in Colonia El Valle as it is in El Centro.

Some have recommended that by NOT attending the bars on Villagran you are ensuring your relative safety??? WRONG!

You are just as likely to be sprayed with machine gun fire entering Liverpool Mall as you would be in El Centro on Villagran.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Bbond, as you can see not even USB has a notion of where that part of the downtown area is.
That part of the city IS the downtown area, but a part of the downtown area that becomes empty after office hours.
It is not part of the club scene and streets, it is right in the middle of the road between the hotel disctrict and the clubs.
It's off by several blocks to the East of Cuahutemoc ave. in a small not well lit street.
Monterrey has all MPs spread all over the map, Marsella is an area not quite favorable to arrive via foot at night, contrary to let's say, Misses, Extravagance where you have to go in taxi cause of the distance.
Walking via foot implies walking 6 blocks from the the Sheraton Ambassador or 16 blocks from Infinito... so you guys that know the city now have a decent reference.

Let me put it this way BB, I have only driven past Marsella in my car a couple of times and for investigative reasons only.
That will give you an idea that the street is not a main or secondary street... just a plain ordinary street that is off the normal vehicular routes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I will go completely out on a limb by saying that my experience has been that the girls that are from the podunk towns, ie: "country girls," in an admittedly unscientific statistical average, turn out to be "nicer" with respect to personality and disposition. They seem more pleasant to spend time with than the sophisticated "floosies" from the Big City.

And, dare I say that girls from that point of reference are also much more impressed with having actually landed a Gringo companion, something they never dreamed they would ever actually achieve. So, perhaps they appreciate us more than the sophisticated "City Slickers" we often encounter.
[/QUOTE]

Actually my type is the light-skinned urban sophisticate spoiled iHooker jet-setting type, the ones I had in mind were big city ladies who happened to be working in podunk towns, maybe on a circuit or similar. In towns were 99/100 ladies are shipped in from the rice paddies, the 1 who grew up in a house with indoor plumbing stands out from a mile away. I have been with the true country ladies before, but usually only ST, they rarely work out into repeats. Have one from about a month ago who had a 2010 Honda Civic, every premium device from the Apple store, (and 2~3 comparably equipped sisters) but still was charging only 4000 THB for LT and was just a blast to hang out with.

I have never personally experienced the "gringo curiosity factor".
Maybe a handful of times in real backwater places a lady will ask what my country is like or something but nothing more. In Monterrey, in certain bars I have gotten with ladies who I am certain have never been with a gringo before, it can be a charming experience, but rarely is a knock out of the park for me. The more experienced ones (who have been with many different cultures, ages, styles, etc..) tend to be a lot more open minded about differing expectations behind closed doors, part of the reason I will never get with a cherry girl.

We are coming from two entirely different perspectives. You target the big city ladies working the podunk towns, and I target the small town girls working the big city.

My problem is I am too cheap to entertain the "USSIHJST," the Urban Sophisticate Spoiled iHooker Jet Setting type, especially in Mexico. :-)))

4000 THB is pretty cheap, that's $135.00US...FOR LONG TIME!!!

Another important distinction is that with Thai girls, both with respect to small town girls, or big city sophisticates, I have not found in them the same "Farang Factor" I referred to with respect to small town Mexicanas and their "Gringo Factor" as it relates to GFE.

In Mexico, you can sometimes find a "MUSSIHJST," Mexican Urban Sophistate Spoiled iHooker Jet Setting Type, but the cost would be more like $200-300US per hour, not per day. And, if they truly are urban sophisticates that would most assuredly not include shopping, restaurants, movies, regalos, clothes, etc...

And, of course, many of us have self imposed travel restrictions due to time constraints, and the same kind of "responsibilities" that Monterreydude referred to in his prior post.

No, Asia is the better bargain by far, depending on travel costs, and not withstanding my own "Gringo Factor" quality of experience being what it is through Mexicanas versus Asians. None the less, had I the time and money to travel, I would welcome the diversity of experience in Asia once again just the same. :-)



[QUOTE=Blourghus]Actually my type is the light-skinned urban sophisticate spoiled iHooker jet-setting type, the ones I had in mind were big city ladies who happened to be working in podunk towns, maybe on a circuit or similar. In towns were 99/100 ladies are shipped in from the rice paddies, the 1 who grew up in a house with indoor plumbing stands out from a mile away. I have been with the true country ladies before, but usually only ST, they rarely work out into repeats. Have one from about a month ago who had a 2010 Honda Civic, every premium device from the Apple store, (and 2~3 comparably equipped sisters) but still was charging only 4000 THB for LT and was just a blast to hang out with.

I have never personally experienced the "gringo curiosity factor".
Maybe a handful of times in real backwater places a lady will ask what my country is like or something but nothing more. In Monterrey, in certain bars I have gotten with ladies who I am certain have never been with a gringo before, it can be a charming experience, but rarely is a knock out of the park for me. The more experienced ones (who have been with many different cultures, ages, styles, etc..) tend to be a lot more open minded about differing expectations behind closed doors, part of the reason I will never get with a cherry girl.[/QUOTE]

First, lets get one thing straight...I NEVER claimed to be an expert on Monterrey. I DO claim to be an expert on the bars, and on finding girls, and on taking them on salida as economically as possible. I do live here sometimes, but not all the time, splitting my time between Mexico and the US. I am not a native of Mexico, nor have I ever claimed to be anything other than a Gringo with considerably time spent in Monterrey, sufficiently so to comment truthfully on my experience as a resident of the city for long and frequent periods of time. I make commentary from a Gringo's perspective. That's it...

Lets be fair with respect to my referencing Chicago in my comments...

When we first began our discussion in this forum about the levels of violence, the incidents of violence were not at their present levels. I have agreed that those levels have risen, and I have agreed that those levels do now exist.

You can not hold me responsible for not commenting on violence that was once only occasional, then escalating to it's present level, and then claim that I did not comment on an escalation that had not yet occurred when our discussion first began.

My point about Colonia "DEL" Valle is that the cartels are mobile, and you are not safe in areas where you might have believed yourself to be safer in the past. I was merely using Liverpool and Colonia Del Valle as examples. Because, as any resident of Monterrey knows, these incidents are happening now in more public places, in places where families gather, and in places where the events are shocking, apparently to terrorize the public. Or could it be something else???

Frankly, I often wonder how much of the violence we are seeing in Monterrey, especially in some of the public places, aren't copycat violence, perpetrated by wanna be's, malcontents, people looking to inflict "payback" on others they have disagreements with and blaming the cartels, etc...There is so much hype with respect to the violence, and the authorities are so overwhelmed by the incidents they're dealing with regarding the cartels, that some of what we are seeing is opportunistic payback by some that are taking advantage of the conditions.

Hyping the violence only enables wanna be's and malcontents to perpetrate their own crimes upon unsuspecting victims, and then blaming it on the cartels, diverting suspicion away from themselves. They know that the authorities are overwhelmed, and that the danger of being actually apprehended are almost non-existent.

How much of the violence is occurring because it's being hyped, and how much of it is totally unrelated to the cartel activity? More than many think...In that respect, I believe that continually hyping the violence has it's own self fulfilling prophesy. It does not benefit Mexico to capitalize on hyping the violence, and promoting the violence for one's own personal gain as some are doing. It only serves to drive Mexico into further violence as the copycats and malcontents in Mexican society use the opportunity to join in the mayhem, where they might have formerly been concerned about getting caught.

The difference is I don't profit directly from reporting the violence, nor is my objective to continue to capitalize on the violence continuing to occur by hyping it for my own personal gain by constantly referring to it here, and in my own cyber-network designed with that purpose in mind, as you do.

My objective, at least with respect to reporting the violence, has always been to report my own experiences with respect to violence I may have encountered personally. I have done that. I have had NO incidents occur, nor have I witnessed any incidents in the bars that substantiate reports that if someone sets foot in Mexico, or more specifically in the bars, that they will die at the hands of the drug cartels. Frankly, I have experienced no fear to date, observed no violence directly, only the evidence that it exists through my observations of the military presence.

That doesn't mean that the violence isn't occurring, or that visitors should not be cautious, or that dangers have not escalated compared to one year ago. But, when asked whether someone should visit Mexico, and whether they will likely be murdered spending time here in the bars for a couple of days, the answer is NO! If my observations and experience changes, I will most assuredly report it. I have no agenda with regard to hyping the violence for my own personal gain as some do.

With regard to my spelling of El Valle, Del Valle, etc...I am also sometimes guilty of mis-spelling Villagran, as in Villa Gran. I am also sometimes criticized by some that my Spanish pronunciation is more akin to Japanese at times. But, I can assure you I am intimately acquainted with Carlos Salazar and Villa Gran, I mean Villagran.

My first language is English, just as yours is obviously Spanish. I would not expect your English spelling and grammar to be perfectly written, and you should not expect my written Spanish to be perfectly written either, nor should you conclude that my written Spanish is any indicator of my residency or time spent in Monterrey.

It's a ridiculous assumption to speculate that my experience in Monterrey is limited just to El Centro, when I freely admit that my own activities concerning this forum are focused around El Centro, and the bars that I frequent. My writings focus upon one area of the city because that's the purpose of the forum. Frankly, I have no interest in commenting on San Nicolos, or Guadelupe (sp?). For the purpose at hand, I am focused upon El Centro.

Yet, I have heard nothing from you with respect to your having any experience concerning the purpose of this forum. Frankly, I don't mind reading your comments, but you have never even documented one single mongering experience. At the very least my track record with respect to the purpose of this forum is well established and considerably documented.

So, whether one lives here or not, and I DO, it really isn't relevant if one never reports a mongering experience but claims to have tons of familiarity with Monterrey in unrelated areas.



[QUOTE=El Cazador]So you first try compare Monterrey to Chicago and takes you long time to admit you wrong and now you try compare El Centro to Colonia Del Valle? Also I know noone who refer to Valle sectors as El Valle. This is one reazon I think you only come here every four or five months for a short time. In the last two weeks five people die on Madero and Colon street amd noone die all year in Liverpool mall. Many things you say make me believe you have little experience here other than El Centro. You most certain are no expert on Monterrey.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cazador]In the last two weeks five people die on Madero and Colon street amd noone die all year in Liverpool mall. [/QUOTE]
... details ... If USB said "Palacio de Hierro" instead of "Liverpool" he would have been on the money because there have been plenty of incidents there involving machine gun fire, and who knows what other malls. You are nitpicking on details like names of places and spelling, but missing bigger picture.

I disagree with USB on one thing though. Just because you don't personally witness violence doesn't mean it's not there. You could go to Iraq or Afghanistan or Sudan and probably wouldn't actually witness violence unless you went looking for it. I've been to plenty of dangerous places but never have witnessed a violent incident personally. You can do some math based on how many killings there have been in Monterrey, and find out what the chances are of actually witnessing one, it is tiny. But can you say nobody in your personal social network has been a victim or witnessed violence there? I think that is probably where fear originates from, somebody knew somebody who was a victim, and are afraid it can happen to them.

I believe there are those people that are profiting from the hysteria of the conditions in Mexico. They are themselves victims of their own hype, thereby frightening themselves the most, as they collect and re-broadcast the incidents to a buying public, thereby promoting their own businesses in the process, and simultaneously escalating their own fear at the same time.

They may believe that their warnings are noble. Because, to them, the likelihood for violence is magnified because they live the violence in their own imaginations every day, gathering the details, publishing them, exaggerating them wherever possible in order to promote an atmosphere of fear with which to capitalize upon. But, none the less, they believe the extent of their own hype as a result of their daily and regular exposure to it.

The fact is, some of the warnings we read here originate from these same individuals that supplement their living by capitalizing on the fear by publishing it for consumption within their privately owned, small cyber-media websites.

They have a very specific agenda, and they are not issuing warnings for benevolent reasons. They hype the fear factor in order to directly benefit themselves, while simultaneously convincing themselves that they are doing us all an indispensable public service in the process, thereby justifying their activities as benevolent, but subconsciously denying their true profit oriented motivations.

I object to their discouraging mongers that want to visit the city for few days to blow off steam when I know that the danger levels are negligible with respect to the actual statistics, and I also know this based on my own personal experience mongering in Monterrey on a regular and continual basis.

I also believe that the hype they promote only serves to escalate and prolong the actual dangerous and violent conditions that we all wish would subside sooner than later. Reporting the news is one thing, but hoping to promote an escalation of fear, and capitalizing on the tragic circumstances of present day Mexican society is quite another.

Several weeks ago, I flagged down a taxi on Madero, and after he dropped my girl off back at her bar, I asked him to take me to El Infinito. He began driving in the opposite direction, West on Madero instead of back East again toward El Infinito.

I don't know what he had in mind. Maybe nothing more than just to run up the bill, but possibly something much worse. Maybe he was going to rob me, who knows. We were on one of the side streets that runs parallel to Madero, dark, lonely, no traffic, no people, and headed further into the darkness.

Except, fortunately for me, there was a guy crossing the street and the taxi had to stop in order to avoid hitting him. I unlocked the door, jumped out, and the guy started in on me, telling me that I owed him 30 pesos. I threw the 30 pesos at him, and started walking, asking him in Spanish just were the hell he thought he was taking me.

My advice, always sit behind the driver, not in the front seat next to him. Always think to keep the upper hand in all that you do, no matter whether you're dealing with taxis or girls. With girls, it depends on whether they've attained trustee status. But, everything else, stay sharp!

With the taxis, sit behind the driver so all you have to do if you get in a jam is choke the asshole out. Don't let them have the upper hand or you might actually end up on the outskirts of Monterrey as one of the statistics.

The street crime is up in Monterrey. There's a lot said about the cartels. But, while everybody is focusing on the cartels, and the high visibility of that potential danger, it's very easy to sometimes drop your guard with respect to what I believe is the actual escalated danger to us as we monger, the street crime, and crimes of opportunity.

I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc...

I just went back to the bar, told the manager, and offered 300 pesos as a reward for an immediate recovery. I am considered a very good customer, and there was no hesitation in their believing me, or in their moving forward with a recovery.

That is one of the upsides to taking girls from the bars. These managers and waiters get really used to the little propinas they receive, and they drop everything for a regular, paying customer, which I am. They will bend over backwards to keep you happy and make things right, if you're in the right. They don't want to lose their future opportunities for propinas, so they're always very attentive.

It was kind of funny. The bouncers all flocked up upstairs, where all of the girls keep their stuff, and they dumped out a bunch of purses, not just the purse of the girl in question. They ended up with about ten cell phones. They displayed them all to me like they were a deck of cards, and asked me which was mine. I immediately plucked it up out of the pile, showed them that everything was displayed on the phone in Ingles, and that it was indeed mine, paid them their 300 peso ransom, and was on my way.

But, the girl was very angry with me, throwing a big tantrum right there in the bar, trying to represent to all that would listen that I had given it to her. Yeah, right...a $500US smart phone? The manager and the bouncers didn't buy it either, not that it mattered, the 300 pesos was all that mattered to them, and that I was satisfied of course, and I was.

Normally, I would recommend striking that girl from my list of eligible contestants. But, she was actually a pretty good girl in every other way, aside from "OUR" little "incident" as she now describes it :-))))

A few weeks later, I took her out again, after making up with her in the bar. I nailed everything down in the room, and we had a great time... :-))) But, as it turns out, I don't have to nail down everything now. Now, I don't have to worry too much about her. I keep my eye on her a little bit. But, I think she learned her lesson.

My biggest complaint about girls that are so new to the business is their lack of patience, and their lack of business acumen. Some of these girls are just not that smart about things. Some take longer to realize that you may be worth a lot more to them over time than a silly cell phone...A LOT MORE! I am guilty of forgetting just how short sighted some of these new girls can be. I should know better, and do. But, I just dropped my guard.

So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one...

[QUOTE=La Parca]Several weeks ago, I flagged down a taxi on Madero, and after he dropped my girl off back at her bar, I asked him to take me to El Infinito. He began driving in the opposite direction, West on Madero instead of back East again toward El Infinito.

I don't know what he had in mind. Maybe nothing more than just to run up the bill, but possibly something much worse. Maybe he was going to rob me, who knows. We were on one of the side streets that runs parallel to Madero, dark, lonely, no traffic, no people, and headed further into the darkness.

Except, fortunately for me, there was a guy crossing the street and the taxi had to stop in order to avoid hitting him. I unlocked the door, jumped out, and the guy started in on me, telling me that I owed him 30 pesos. I threw the 30 pesos at him, and started walking, asking him in Spanish just were the hell he thought he was taking me.

My advice, always sit behind the driver, not in the front seat next to him. Always think to keep the upper hand in all that you do, no matter whether you're dealing with taxis or girls. With girls, it depends on whether they've attained trustee status. But, everything else, stay sharp!

With the taxis, sit behind the driver so all you have to do if you get in a jam is choke the asshole out. Don't let them have the upper hand or you might actually end up on the outskirts of Monterrey as one of the statistics.

The street crime is up in Monterrey. There's a lot said about the cartels. But, while everybody is focusing on the cartels, and the high visibility of that potential danger, it's very easy to sometimes drop your guard with respect to what I believe is the actual escalated danger to us as we monger, the street crime, and crimes of opportunity.[/QUOTE]

USB
As usual, you have once again so accurately articulated what most of use should be thinking; before, during and after our encounters within our daily lives, especially while in a foreign country.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to gleaning more well thought out and useful information from you next post.
Chica Luv

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc...
........................
So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one...[/QUOTE]

I have to admit, I was embarrassed to even relate these events initially when it happened. It took a while to swallow my pride, and to decide to post it. I mean, afterall, it was such an amateurish thing to happen to one that should know better.

I'm the one that's always saying I'll report stuff that actually happens to me. So, a lapse in following through on my own commitments to report what happens to me came better late than never this time.

Thanks to La Parca, it reminded me that I owed the ISG a mention of what happened in hopes that it might remind some other person whose slacking up like I did to pay better attention before they have to go through the aggravation I had to. And, of course, what happened to me was really quite minor in comparison to what can happen to us when we bring subjects into our midst and neglect to treat them with the suspicion that should be there, at least until they've earned a measure of our trust.

Lately, when I know I'm leaving my place to prowel the bars, I'm now making sure everything is out of sight, put away, etc...just as I should have done before.



[QUOTE=Chica Luv]USB
As usual, you have once again so accurately articulated what most of use should be thinking; before, during and after our encounters within our daily lives, especially while in a foreign country.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to gleaning more well thought out and useful information from you next post.
Chica Luv[/QUOTE]

Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url]

You are over stating, over exagerating, even contradicting your own link.

Read the description: "The raging drug war in the US-Mexico border region has forced hundreds of residents to seek refuge in neighbouring towns."

No where in the video does it mention "was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago", but it does say hundreds.

But sorry to tell you that there is another news article published on-line today saying this:

EL NORTE

Afirman que terminó éxodo en Ciudad Mier

En Ciudad Mier y Camargo, en Tamaulipas, se desarrolla un operativo de policías locales, federales y soldados

Whatever happened in Ciudad Mier is over and the people are going back. Plus the army has made camp in Mier.


And please pretty pretty please, please explain to me where do you want to go with this:

"Why is the USA government ignoring this?"

Please tell us WHAT must the US goverment DO????

Declare war on Mexico???
Invade Mexico???

How about a much simpler thing... curve the appetite for drugs in the US.
How's that for starters???

Naw!!! will never be done.









[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]You are over stating, over exagerating, even contradicting your own link.

Read the description: "The raging drug war in the US-Mexico border region has forced hundreds of residents to seek refuge in neighbouring towns."

No where in the video does it mention "was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago", but it does say hundreds.

But sorry to tell you that there is another news article published on-line today saying this:

EL NORTE

Afirman que terminó éxodo en Ciudad Mier

En Ciudad Mier y Camargo, en Tamaulipas, se desarrolla un operativo de policías locales, federales y soldados

Whatever happened in Ciudad Mier is over and the people are going back. Plus the army has made camp in Mier.


And please pretty pretty please, please explain to me where do you want to go with this:

"Why is the USA government ignoring this?"

Please tell us WHAT must the US goverment DO????

Declare war on Mexico???
Invade Mexico???

How about a much simpler thing... curve the appetite for drugs in the US.
How's that for starters???

Naw!!! will never be done.[/QUOTE]
I was there yesterday..All the refugees were still there..I even talked to some of them..and they said the Mexican Army went from house to house warning them to leave or else..Death!..No sh*t BOB..What do i have to do...film the people taking about the horrors going on.. The state Nuevo Leon is about enter this phase. We had scores of Mexicans fleeing Mexico into Starr county this month. Reports from the Media estimate that illegal crossing has jumped 500% the last few months. I don't know how to put in in words. For now stay away from Mexico, unless you are familiar with the area..!
Bob did you not see in the video I just posted of a man being interviewed stating "I'am terrified to go back to my town." Stop accusing me of exagerating stories. The reality is; It's actually worse than what I'am reporting here!

If you are scared Marius, aside from costs, you could fly into Monterrey, and fly right over all the potential danger. If flying is too expensive, then you could still take a bus from Laredo.

I understand your apprehension at traveling between the border and Monterrey via the highway system through Ciudad Mier or from Miguel Aleman, but you seem only interested in traveling the most dangerous routes, and you relish the idea of reporting it.

You can't take a bus up to Laredo, and come down here on the bus from Laredo or Reynosa? The roadways between Monterrey and Laredo and Reynosa are SAFE during the day up to about 2pm.

Furthermore, you want to put all the responsibility directly upon the US government for what is essentially a Mexican problem. The USA has no jurisdictional authority in another sovereign country, Mexico.

I never quite understand people who like pointing the finger at the US, and blaming the US for their own lack of responsibility for protecting their own people.

Curbing the consumption of drugs is one potential answer that might contribute to enhancing security for the Mexican people, but a failure by Mexico to protect it's own innocents from the mayhem is really inexcusable.

You mean to tell me that the Mexican government can't occupy and DOMINATE any location in their country, and secure their own people. Hogwash! They aren't doing it because they don't want to. The lack of responsibility, therefore, goes much deeper than an apparent inability to protect the people. The officials in Mexico are as complicit in the problem as the politicians and consuming public is in the USA.

Tell you what, give me a couple of Apache helicopters, and a division of Mexican Soldiers, and those roadways between the border and Monterrey would be more secure for travelers than any highway in the the US. They simply don't want to do it. They prefer to let them go. The politicians are all complicit in the drug trade.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]

Why do you reply to Monterreydude's posts by referring to him as "Bob," as though you're responding to Unsponge"bob's" comments? Even our detractors know that we are two different mongers.

There is a very simple solution. You don't have to give up on our fine Mexican girls in favor of "Mexicana Substitute" as you endure your self imposed exile on the US side of the border.

If you think there are dangers in certain areas in Mexico, then avoid those areas...

To advocate staying completely out of Mexico is an alarmist position, one that will have you stuck in the US with blue balls.

And, consider this, if you choose to pay US rates to see girls on the US side of the border instead, you could just as easily apply those additional costs to a plane ticket, thereby avoiding all the fear and trepidation that plagues you. Plus, you're not relegated to the lousy Feminazi attitudes you'll undoubtedly find on the US side of the border while on self imposed exile.

If you want to advocate staying out of Cuidad Mier or Miguel Aleman, fine. If you want to advocate that certain modes of travel, or certain times of day, be avoided. Or, if you advocate taking the most dangerous areas into consideration when you travel, fine.

But, your implication is that dangers in those notorious areas apply to mongering in Monterrey, the subject of this thread. By applying circumstances that are occurring in isolated trouble areas in Mexico to the whole of Mexico, and specifically implying that the dangers in those areas are indicative of Monterrey, the reader is left with an inaccurate assessment of how things really are here.

I am here in Monterrey, and I am living it. To imply that the danger level you describe for Miguel Aleman or Cuidad Mier is the same as what you will encounter in Monterrey is very inaccurate.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was there yesterday..All the refugees were still there..I even talked to some of them..and they said the Mexican Army went from house to house warning them to leave or else..Death!..No sh*t BOB..What do i have to do...film the people taking about the horrors going on.. The state Nuevo Leon is about enter this phase. We had scores of Mexicans fleeing Mexico into Starr county this month. Reports from the Media estimate that illegal crossing has jumped 500% the last few months. I don't know how to put in in words. For now stay away from Mexico, unless you are familiar with the area..!
Bob did you not see in the video I just posted of a man being interviewed stating "I'am terrified to go back to my town." Stop accusing me of exagerating stories. The reality is; It's actually worse than what I'am reporting here![/QUOTE]

Marius I must thank you for the video.
Very intresting thing, specially since it's Al Jazeera... quite a curiosity indeed.

And you were say about "Why is the USA government ignoring this?"???




[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was there yesterday..All the refugees were still there..I even talked to some of them..and they said the Mexican Army went from house to house warning them to leave or else..Death!..No sh*t BOB..What do i have to do...film the people taking about the horrors going on.. The state Nuevo Leon is about enter this phase. We had scores of Mexicans fleeing Mexico into Starr county this month. Reports from the Media estimate that illegal crossing has jumped 500% the last few months. I don't know how to put in in words. For now stay away from Mexico, unless you are familiar with the area..!
Bob did you not see in the video I just posted of a man being interviewed stating "I'am terrified to go back to my town." Stop accusing me of exagerating stories. The reality is; It's actually worse than what I'am reporting here![/QUOTE]

Great investigative work Monterreydude...Al Jazeera indeed!!!! HAHAHA, comon' Marius. How do we know you aren't in some rat hole in Beirut?

Let's see Marius, you are deathly afraid of being anywhere near the danger, yet we are expected to believe that you were right along with the refugees yesterday, talking to them, right in the thick of things, right there in the snake pit itself. You didn't hurry on your way so as to avoid further exposure to the potential danger you claim exists in the area, but instead you stopped to "interview" the refugees.

Uhmmmm, doesn't sound like you're that frightened to me Marius.

It's like I've been saying all along. There are those whose sole purpose is to hype and exaggerate the circumstances in Mexico, and for who knows what kind of personal gain.

Oh, and Marius, you forgot to add something about half of the refugees also being transvestites. :-)))))))))

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Marius I must thank you for the video.
Very intresting thing, specially since it's Al Jazeera... quite a curiosity indeed.

And you were say about "Why is the USA government ignoring this?"???[/QUOTE]

Is hype and bs mainly for the American Audience.

I will tell you this. I lived in Reynosa for the last year. And If you are American- yes. Stay out of Juarez and Reynosa.

I have traveled all over the world. And Monterrey is about as dangerous as any large city with what 4mill peps?

The most dangerous part about Monterrey is driving. These people drive like in Seoul or Egypt but actually a little worse.

If you want to come here and buy drugs and roll like a Rap star. Well then you may end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. But try doing that in MEmphis and see how fast you get in trouble.

My former profession is in military, intell and security. Monterrey is Safe. And its getting better.

Peace

I'll be traveling to Monterrey in Dec. or Jan.

Can anyone recommend Girl friendly Hotels and the best places for a full service massage.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Nobu7]
If you want to come here and buy drugs and roll like a Rap star. Well then you may end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. But try doing that in MEmphis and see how fast you get in trouble.
[/QUOTE]

AHA! You've arrived to the crux of the argument.
The thing to understand about UnospongeBob and MonterryDude is that they are daytime, low profile mongers and are under silk sheets by 23:00, and have very fixed, relatively conservative itineraries while they are out and about (going to places where they are known). OF COURSE, any city can be made safe if you never take any risk and just repeat the same thing over & over. But you can also argue that it's dull & boring. How fun can it be?

Guys who are pushing the boundaries and are out exploring and high rolling into the wee hours, are going to have a totally different perspective.

Last month in an international city (not Monterrey) I bar-fined FIVE ladies at the same time and took them out to expensive night clubs, in somewhat high roller rock star fashion, center of attention everywhere we went, until the sun rose - no trouble whatsoever, and a spectacular night which will be pretty tough for me to ever forget.

Could I do the same thing nowadays in Monterrey? Let's not forget that there are tons of places where this is perfectly safe.
Or can Monterrey only be safe if you stick to the known paths, don't raise any eyebrows, and monger quickly and discretely?

Excellent points...just as I have said many times...remain low key, and you will be perfectly safe in Monterrey. I advise mongers to plan your activities, think before you execute them, and watch your back at all times.

I used to stay out until 4-5am every night only a few years ago, sometimes taking two girls at a time, three girls a day, walking between the clubs until the wee hours, my head not hitting the pillow until 6am, etc...

I have, shall we say, slowed down a bit. But, 23:00pm??? Please Blourghas! :-)

But, you're right in this regard, Monterreydude and I have relatively similar routines, out only until maybe one-ish or two-ish in the "AM" at the most these days. We need our beauty sleep afterall... ;-)

I had begun to think, in the light of the deteriorating circumstances in Mexico, that my routine was becoming relatively careless, too predictable, pushing the boundaries, which I actually began to see as a potential security risk in and of itself.

So, I made a conscious decision several years ago to domesticate my activities, to frequent only familiar surroundings, etc...In doing so, my activities could easily be construed now as boring by some. And, at times, I do feel that my activities could use some rejuvenation.

But, about the time I am feeling bored, I also remember that my life is infinitely safer, especially in light of the circumstances in Mexico these days. And still, even as they are boring by International Standards, my activities, even as they are now, are significantly more exciting in Monterrey than back in the US.


[QUOTE=Blourghus]AHA! You've arrived to the crux of the argument.
The thing to understand about UnospongeBob and MonterryDude is that they are daytime, low profile mongers and are under silk sheets by 23:00, and have very fixed, relatively conservative itineraries while they are out and about (going to places where they are known). OF COURSE, any city can be made safe if you never take any risk and just repeat the same thing over & over. But you can also argue that it's dull & boring. How fun can it be?

Guys who are pushing the boundaries and are out exploring and high rolling into the wee hours, are going to have a totally different perspective.

Last month in an international city (not Monterrey) I bar-fined FIVE ladies at the same time and took them out to expensive night clubs, in somewhat high roller rock star fashion, center of attention everywhere we went, until the sun rose - no trouble whatsoever, and a spectacular night which will be pretty tough for me to ever forget.

Could I do the same thing nowadays in Monterrey? Let's not forget that there are tons of places where this is perfectly safe.
Or can Monterrey only be safe if you stick to the known paths, don't raise any eyebrows, and monger quickly and discretely?[/QUOTE]

MD
No one could have said it better.... The problem isn't as much the cartels & assorted assholes, it is the Americans that are using the drugs.

No demand, No supply. If americans stop using & buying drugs the cartel and their violence goes elsewhere.

What the American government needs to do is stamp out drug use in the USA.
END of STORY!

IMHO of course...
Chica Luv
[QUOTE=Monterreydude]You are over stating, over exagerating, even contradicting your own link.

Read the description: "The raging drug war in the US-Mexico border region has forced hundreds of residents to seek refuge in neighbouring towns."

No where in the video does it mention "was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago", but it does say hundreds.

But sorry to tell you that there is another news article published on-line today saying this:

EL NORTE

Afirman que terminó éxodo en Ciudad Mier

En Ciudad Mier y Camargo, en Tamaulipas, se desarrolla un operativo de policías locales, federales y soldados

Whatever happened in Ciudad Mier is over and the people are going back. Plus the army has made camp in Mier.


And please pretty pretty please, please explain to me where do you want to go with this:

"Why is the USA government ignoring this?"

Please tell us WHAT must the US goverment DO????

Declare war on Mexico???
Invade Mexico???

How about a much simpler thing... curve the appetite for drugs in the US.
How's that for starters???

Naw!!! will never be done.[/QUOTE]

CA Traveler...

Girl friendly hotels: Sheraton Ambassador or the Hamtpon Inn Galerias.
Depends if you are coming for mongering or work, need to know the general area where you'll be.

Full service massage as in a massage with a happy ending or just the sex???
Massage as in a real massage, that is going to be a little hard.

Ask your questions... will help you out


[QUOTE=CA Traveler II]I'll be traveling to Monterrey in Dec. or Jan.

Can anyone recommend Girl friendly Hotels and the best places for a full service massage.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

i will be going to monterrey for work and a bit of mongering. usually i'll stay by the airport but i would like to stay closer to the action. looking for "massage" similar to when i am guadalajara, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or high class. so the "girl friendly" hotels would be nice if the general area of the massage parlors.

thanks

a hotel in the general area of the mps is the sheraton ambassador in the hotel distric zone since there are no longer girl friendly hotels in the madero ave area.

but in the general in the sense the sheraton has every mp in a 5-10 minutes riding a taxi and once there, there are areas where you can find 4-10 mp's of all prices and quality in a 4 block radius.

that could be an option.



[quote=ca traveler ii]i will be going to monterrey for work and a bit of mongering. usually i'll stay by the airport but i would like to stay closer to the action. looking for "massage" similar to when i am guadalajara, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or high class. so the "girl friendly" hotels would be nice if the general area of the massage parlors.

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Long standing member here.

I've been to Monterey a few years ago and find myself heading back in a few days. I don't have time to do as much research as I'd like so I was hoping some fellow mongers could help me out.

Length. 2 days.

Hotel. Sheriton?

Chicas? I prefer salidas and value based girls. I'm not afraid to hit the lesser know places with the hope of finding girls with more of a non-pro attitude.

Favors? Vitamin V still OTC? Also what about pain meds like vicodin? Will a pharmacy have a doc on staff to write a script?

Thanks and feel free to Pm me.

Gracias

[QUOTE=Blourghus] OF COURSE, any city can be made safe if you never take any risk and just repeat the same thing over & over. But you can also argue that it's dull & boring. How fun can it be?

Guys who are pushing the boundaries and are out exploring and high rolling into the wee hours, are going to have a totally different perspective.

Last month in an international city (not Monterrey) I bar-fined FIVE ladies at the same time and took them out to expensive night clubs, in somewhat high roller rock star fashion, center of attention everywhere we went, until the sun rose - no trouble whatsoever, and a spectacular night which will be pretty tough for me to ever forget.

Could I do the same thing nowadays in Monterrey?[/QUOTE]I believe that it is much safer to do that here than on Beale street in Memphis.

It is a safe City if you put it in terms of millions of people compared to the amount of violent acts committed. The ratio is negligible. Most people here love foreigners. And EVERYone here loves a good fiesta.

I get out and do a lot of stuff man. A lot of it alone too, at least till I meet more friends.

I dont think of Monterrey as dangerous at all really. But I guess I am more accustomed to being in danger. I don't know.

Good luck,

Nobu

a lot of business guys are stuck out near the airport due to arrangements made by their travel departments or their corporate travel agents, often because they have corporate contracts with certain hotel chains, etc...many of which have located hotels out near the airport.

but, if you let them stick you out there, you'll literally be about 30-40 minutes from the action, depending on traffic. the sheraton ambassador, and now according to blourghas, possibly the crown plaza, both downtown, are much better options, and much closer to the action. they're just as secure, maybe more so. the taxi ride will cost you exactly 260 pesos to the sheraton ambassador (less than $26us).

if you can swing it, get your people to change your reservations to the sheraton ambassador first, if not the sheraton, then the hampton inn-gallerias, second, then the crown plaza, third. i recommend them in that order because blourghas has just recently reported having no problems at the crown plaza, but it has not been tried numerous times like the sheraton-ambassador, and the hampton inn, which have been tested more frequently with success by greater numbers of mongers over time.

tell your corporate travel department that with the dangers going on in mexico, you feel much safer in the downtown area. and, literally, that isn't too far off base. when you stay out near the airport, you're staying in a more remote area, an area closer to the outskirts of monterrey, in areas where there are much higher incidents of drug gang activity at night, and closer to where the bodies are buried, literally.

if your corporate travel department agrees to put you downtown, but they insist on putting you in one of the gringo hotel chains that isn't girl friendly after all, i would still rather be downtown rather than up around the airport. i would rather be staying in a gringo hotel chain downtown, and take a girl to one of the hourly hotels for fun, and return to my nice cushy hotel to sleep at night after having fun, than to be stuck out around the airport, wasting 40 minutes commuting back and forth. besides, just because our experience demonstrates that most of the other gringo hotel chains are not girl friendly, doesn't mean you can't catch a break, and slip the girls in with some luck. there are always exceptions, bribes, etc...

the premise that it is more dangerous out near the airport isn't necessarily true. that is, i am not particularly convinced that the criminal element isn't active in all parts of monterrey where it suites their purposes, their having complete mobility, and virtually running a muck inflicting their assaults on people without any particular statistical predictability. but, you can use that claim, that downtown hotels are more secure, to get your corporate travel department to buy into your demand that they locate you in a safer environment (ie: downtown/el centro monterrey).

usually, the gringos will buy that argument if you insist for your own safety's sake. with all the hype about mexico in the news media, you can use that hype to your advantage to demand they accommodate your wishes...because, after all, you "fear for your life," right?

should you fear for your life? nooooooo! but, all americans believe that traveling in mexico is akin to being in beirut these days, so why not use it to your advantage so you can be closer, logistically, to some tail. if you let them stick you way out near the airport, you'll find that you're at a huge logistical disadvantage...trust me. the only exception to that might be were you to call upon escorts only, and not plan to visit the mps, or take club girls on salida. the escort girls will come to the hotels near the airport without any fuss, and i believe in that instance, you'll encounter few obstacles with respect to logistics.

[quote=ca traveler ii]i will be going to monterrey for work and a bit of mongering. usually i'll stay by the airport but i would like to stay closer to the action. looking for "massage" similar to when i am guadalajara, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or high class. so the "girl friendly" hotels would be nice if the general area of the massage parlors.

thanks[/quote]

Thanks for the information. Ok so if I choose the Sheraton or Crown Plaza, do you have any recommendations for MP's close by. I saw the map but there seems to be quite a few.

"Hotel": Sheraton Ambassador a good option.

"I prefer salidas and value based girls.": The answer would be Infinito.
1000 (depending on the girl 1500 tops) plus 350 bar fine.

My question to you Mark: Would you like in-call escort services options???

All EDs medicines can still be bought over the counter.
Original and generic.

Vicodin in Monterrey has never been available without a script.
Nor are antibiotics available OTC anymore.

The pharmacy chain Farmacias del Ahorro have free medical consultation, but I just don't know if they will be party to write a script on certain medical pharmacuticals.



[QUOTE=Mark]Long standing member here.

I've been to Monterey a few years ago and find myself heading back in a few days. I don't have time to do as much research as I'd like so I was hoping some fellow mongers could help me out.

Length. 2 days.

Hotel. Sheriton?

Chicas? I prefer salidas and value based girls. I'm not afraid to hit the lesser know places with the hope of finding girls with more of a non-pro attitude.

Favors? Vitamin V still OTC? Also what about pain meds like vicodin? Will a pharmacy have a doc on staff to write a script?

Thanks and feel free to Pm me.

Gracias[/QUOTE]

I haven't purchased antibiotics for a couple of months, but I remember several weeks after they passed the new laws, I walked into Benevides, and they sold me antibiotics right over the counter, no problem. But, they know me at my particular Benevides store. So, maybe they figured they wouldn't get in any trouble by selling to me without a script. I'll have to try it again, and see if they'll come through.

I was SOOOOO disappointed when they passed that law. It is one of the things that always distinguished Mexico from the US in the best of ways.

In Mexico, you actually had a true sense of freedom compared to the US, the supposed "land of the free." Now, Mexico just wants to emulate the US, both societies becoming incrementally more totalitarian in all that they do, the TSA in the USA being the most recent example, and Mexico's new prescription laws the other.

Lets see, metal detectors are not adequate to find firearms, knives, etc...brought on the airplane. Almost every flight has an armed Air Marshal to intervene where terrorists are concerned with respect to them getting a weapon through. The pilot and co-pilots are armed. The passengers these days would rip terrorists limb to limb if they even bat and eyelash, feeding them their box cutters like they were candy. The door between the cabin and the cockpit can withstand a howitzer attack, etc...

That means that bombs should be the main concern that motivates the TSA to use full body scanners and invasive pat downs, right?

One Question...If bombs are the concern, why don't these damned fools use Dogs? Why do they need to use pat downs and full body scanners? Dogs can smell through almost anything, and their use would not be a violation of of our constitutional protections. We are supposed to be free from unreasonable search and seizure by the government without probable cause.

I love my country, but it is not what it once was, the land of the free. Now Mexico is incrementally losing it's draw with these stupid new laws that further limits our access to freedom. In the past, we could escape to Mexico to get away from all the political correctness, and the other non-sense that exists in US society. Who knows, maybe the next shoe to drop will be "pay for play," in Mexico. It is a slippery slope. Then, where do we go for true FREEDOM?

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]"Hotel": Sheraton Ambassador a good option.

"I prefer salidas and value based girls.": The answer would be Infinito.
1000 (depending on the girl 1500 tops) plus 350 bar fine.

My question to you Mark: Would you like in-call escort services options???

All EDs medicines can still be bought over the counter.
Original and generic.

Vicodin in Monterrey has never been available without a script.
Nor are antibiotics available OTC anymore.

The pharmacy chain Farmacias del Ahorro have free medical consultation, but I just don't know if they will be party to write a script on certain medical pharmacuticals.[/QUOTE]

Well, finally got a steady girlfriend in Monterrey, it's so much easier to find nice women here that it is in the states! I just feel bad because as soon as I leave my girls house, I am out working girl mongering again. One new thing I've noticed is the increased security in all of Mexico, Mexican troops are all over the place. We were stopped a total of 5 times before our bus arrived to Monterrey. The one scary thing I did see were troops burning human remains in the town of Cerralvo. It was surreal! I guess as long as it's the bad guys dying, it's always a good thing. Maybe the troop increase is setting the stage for the final cartel confrontation? For those of you in the dark, the Mexican government has made progress against the Mexican drug cartels! More deaths have occured, but it is usually the bad guys dying. Monterrey is still a dangerous place, just stay alert and aware!