Kyiv

[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]. . . First and foremost I am shocked at all the negativity I receive . . .
. . . As I get nothing but crap for sharing in Kiev I will share my next report for private for people who are more similar to me . . .[/QUOTE]
Lego,

the responses you did get from Eros75, from Ifnot and from myself are not shocking and they are no crap.
You write an honest report and in response you get a few honest replies.
We do think you are spoiling the market.

[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]. . . Guys I am not rich (ok i am but that is not important to this story) . . .[/QUOTE]
We are not rich like you or we do not want to waste money.
We only want to keep things good for the future and for others.
Nothing else. Nothing to get upset about.

I wish you all the best. Take care of yourself (and of your money). Fido

Please join me in a round of applause to LM for his fantastic reports. A true trooper of the sport. A man of his word, a man we can trust and someone who seems like he knows what he is doing.

Ha Ha. Gotcha! He is an amateur, with a fistfull of dollars! And to top it all he ends his last report with the following (quote). " as I get nothing but crap please PM me for details".

Well LM -- take your reports and shove them where the monkeys keep their nuts. We really do not need your amateur reporting (especially in Kiev, where the mongering is so easy and so available). Any newbie will just read the history of the board to understand the "ropes". So, look after your loot, because soon enough you will need it!

Hasta la Vista, Baby

Excellent postings Lego Maniac and don't worry about some of the negativity you have received. In the end it comes down to personal choice and if you see something that you want then you must put your own price on it. Perhaps that is why you have had such good times with the choices you made, because you did not put them through the slightly degrading experience of having to barter over their own bodies.

As for dressing down in Kiev that is something you do not need to do. In this town smart casual is the order of the day and the Kiev girls most definitely do notice a guys clothes, in particular his shoes for some reason or other. So get rid of the sneakers and wear some stylish Gucci loafers with maybe a nice pair of Armani trousers. Leave the sneakers and jeans to the millionaire Rock Stars desperate to make some pretentious liberal left social statement.

Ok Lego, here's my report. It's been pointed out recently that the board doesn't need posts from newbies such as ourselves and that all the information on where to go is right there. Perhaps I'm just not much good at reading comprehension but I've read a lot of the board and, while its been an invaluable source of background infromation, outside of River Palace there's so many conflicting views that I still don't know where to go. So my post will be part information, part question, feel free to criticise, I'm here to learn.

On the payment debate it appears these $300 rates that Lego is paying are now resulting in enjoyable all night encounters, at least on the repeats. I really can't begrudge someone wanting to enter the experience in a positive frame of mind if they can afford it.

I've been travelling through Europe for 9 weeks now. Visited 13 different countries and in terms of female beauty my subjective experience has been that Kiev is the best so far. Haven't been to Russia yet though.

I was in Thailand recently which was much cheaper in every respect and easier but the quality does seem higher in Kiev to me. I'm probably comparing apples and oranges here though and I'll certainly be back in Thailand in the future.

First night I had no choice, straight to River Palace. Despite having read Lego's warning I still had a warm up drink or two downstairs. Chatted to a ridiculously happy (good on him) German chap for a bit while listening to the cover band make a much better attempt at 'Venus' than Bananarama ever did. Not a great deal to see down here apart from one of the dancing girls but eyelid fluttering was about all I was going to get there.

Outside of this my experiences of the first two nights have already been covered by Lego so I'll fast forward to night 3, friday night. We met at Decadence house for dinner which was good and not as expensive as I would have expected. We'd reserved a table at the night club upstairs. This place was amazing. The women were just stunning. Unfortunately though I had no idea what was going on. Getting plenty of eye contact from tables peopled exclusively by women but I get that at home too if I dress up a bit and, like the baltic states, girls in general here seem a little happier to hold your gaze. There were girls dancing by themselves, it looked promising but I just didn't get the impression anyone was going to be easily available to a short term english speaking traveller such as myself. Lots of guys here too but probably still balanced towards women, quite a local crowd. When we stood up to leave though I noticed all these girls looking over. I was wondering if we should have stayed and seen how the night progressed. A Ukranian guy I spoke to today said, somehwat bitterly, that Decadence was full of rich kids impressing each other with their jewelry so maybe we didn't miss out on anything. Has anyone on the board had any success there?

So off to River Palace again. When we arrived, around midnight I think, it wasn't as good as the previous night but gradually more girls started filtering in. I'm not much of a dancer but I do appreciate a girl who can dance and there was a blonde on the dance floor that was doing some great things. Dancing in a sexy but playful manner. Lego sent one of his female companions over to summon her. Not much english but she was very cute. We sat there for a while, half conversing. She pointed out the hottest girl in the fashion parade on the stage and I had to agree. The issue of money came up and she suggested US $300 for two hours. I said $200, she shook her head and said $300. When I ventured $200 again she said with surprising eloquence and a big smile, 'I dance. You think.'

Now I'm not poor but, for me at least, this isn't an infinitely sustainable way to be living my life. If I pay US $300 on top of all my other expenses regularly enough I'll wind up on the street in my skivies trying to sell my shoes. Hell of a lot more that the US $100 I was paying for all night with the most beautiful girl in the house in Thailand as well.

So I really did want to pay less but she'd pretty much told me she wasn't leaving right then for that money and she was happy to keep dancing and showing herself off. And in my subjective opinion she was one of the best girls in the house. So we agree, or I submit, to the $300 price and we're away. She was in a word fantastic. Lot of fun, she kept babbling away in Russian. To even the score I spoke some French since she didn't understand any of that and just occasionally we got some sense out of each other in English. When our time was up she asked if I had anything to eat. If I'd been able to deliver room service I think she would have stayed on. Alas I'm staying in an apartment and could only offer her some fruit. I suggested we get dinner tonight and got her phone number before she kissed me again and left.

Now though my Ukranian friend tells me (without me having volunteered any of this story or prices) that the women at River Palace are lazy, greedy, drug users and the best ones want 2 to 3 hundred Euro! He says that you are better off going to clubs such as Arena disco, Caribbean Club, Shooters and waiting till later where you will get more for less. These are his words, not mine, and for all I know he's never been to any of these places.

So I guess I'm confused again.

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Hi,

I fully agree with you and have the same views about our "monger deals". I always feel uncomfortable discussing about money and what can or cannot be done. When I get a request I take it or leave it without any bargain. The hottie will propose you a lower price later if she is really interested. I pay a lot of attention to the chemistry and the way the girl touches me in order to understand if she will be hot. Level of conversation is also important, as good sex and fantasy are upscale with bright and funny girls. If I feel the "connection" I will go on, otherwise I stop, even in front of a 10 model (never went below a 9 or a robust 8 anyway).

I paid also 300$ for a RP's cutie last week when I was back to Kiev. The girl was very passionate and spent all the night with me and woke me up with an unbelievable blow job and a lot of kisses, and this was an upside not explicitely requested at the deal time. She has stayed with me for almost 12 hours (and just because I had to leave for a business meeting), so at the end the final price was 25$ per hour... is it such a bad deal?

Of course I will never spend 1000$ for a girl looking for foolish chickens in Premier Palace lobby (see my previous Kiev's report)... but I look for quality and I don't mind for 100$ bucks more if I feel positive towards the girl...

Agree with LM that having great time in Kiev depends also on the way you behave... gentlemen often win a top GFE.

My final 2 cents... I think that the big value of this forum comes from sharing experiences, tips, and views about our "hobby". I appreciate LM's reports as they are honest and show how he behaved... I think also that he has thrown more money than needed, but definitely it is HIS money, and market prices will grow anyway notwithstanding him, because of the overall economic cycle, the increasing number of rich guys in Kiev and the goals of Kiev's hotties (they are no more looking for surviving but for the top of italian and french fashion!). We are all free to disagree, but this doens't mean we have to assault people that think in another way.

Wish all the best and happy mongering to all of us.

I asked 2 different places about Art 112 and both said that it was closed. I do not know if this is temporary or not.

Viper

First all, whether good or bad experiences I like to read all reports, it gives a different perspective on things.

I'd like to toss a few musing on things, doesn't mean anything other then my opinions.

First off one of the major reasons why we p4p hounds used to go to places like EE is because the women are extremely attractive, very compliant and relatively inexpensive. Combine that with what used to be inexpensive accommodations and airfares (RT to Moscow from the East Coast of the US used to be around $400 in the mid 90's - 2 years ago you could stay in a western styled apartment in the center of Kiev for $50/night or 1k/month). Based strictly on p4p with the current pricing structure for the casual western tourist (women, meals, airfare, apartment) there is no reason why anyone would want to leave the US or Western Europe. You can get model quality women for $200-300/hr, better accommodations, service and food cheaper in the West. If you want to save up all year and blow your money living like a high roller go to Vegas – you will have a much better time. There are a few reasons why I could still see p4p guys going to places like Kiev or Moscow. First off the morality double standard is in full effect, as a male you can get rolling in the gutter drunk, have a new p4p girl every night and no one will think anything less of you. Second, I can understand why the 40-50+ set likes to go. A 50 year old guy dating a 20 year old girl is somewhat more accepted in this part of the world – notice how I said somewhat. And of course some people don’t like to play in their own backyard. For some going to another part of the world is somewhat liberating and allows them to assume another persona.

Was moved to a new apartment by my agent since I'd booked late and had to accept two seperate apartments. Rooms are nice enough but crappy building and the air conditioner is next to useless.

Went back to sleep and woke up early evening absolutely starving. No sight seeing today either I guess. I'm standing in the shower with my hair, face and body covered in shampoo when the water cuts out. Yesterday I had a long power cut at my other apartment, now this. Yeah baby, give me that full post soviet experience.

I spend a minute or two staggering around the apartment. The shampoo is in my eyes now and I'm wondering what the hell I'm doing here. For the same money I could be staying at the Majestic Suites hotel in Bangkok, or enjoying a more conventional holliday with some friends in Europe. Fortunately I happen upon a 10 litre container of mineral water which still has a litre in it. Who put that there? Together with my own drinking water its enough to wash off.

Short walk to Arena City for dinner alone. My girl from last night is 'ill' apperently and wants to do dinner tomorrow. The menus at the sports bar and beer bar are interchangeable so I pick the beer bar since there are more people. As I wait for my food I'm half reading my novel, half looking at this gorgeous tall (but not too tall) slim brunette eating with her boyfriend, sugar dady, whatever. She keeps flicking looks at me and smiling to ensure I'm fully appreciating what I'm not going to get.

After dinner I remember to use Arena City's toilet facilities which feature actual running water! Go back to apartment to change and discover that my apartment again has this technological marvel. Immediately I fill the 10 litre container to the brim. Who knows how long this luxury will last.

End up walking half way back to Arena looking for a taxi so I go on to Club 112 downstairs at Arena City. Lots of tourists, lots of girls. There's a reasonably cute one from upstairs that comes down to order a drink right next to me. I'm about to talk to her when another girl interjects herself. Disengage from that conversation quickly but not quickly enough and the sort of cute one is back upstairs with her girlfriends. Plenty of girls at the bar to talk to but I'm not really into any of them and not feeling particularly sociable so I finish my drink and leave. There's a 15 minute wait to get into the Arena disco and its already past midnight so I jump in a cab and ask him to take me to Shooters. He tells me its a student place and not really a good place to meet girls and suggests I have a look at a strip club called Penthouse. Why not? I'm feeling pretty lazy so maybe I should just sit and watch.

The women that operates the brightly lit, wood panneled, elevator here is about 60 years old, absolutely tiny and wearing a bell hops outfit. I feel like I'm in a David Lynch movie. Strip club was ok. Had a reasonably attractive girl with very good English trying to convince me to take her home for US $300. I'm feeling flighty though so when she disappears out the back I pay up and leave.

Turn up at River Palace at about 2:30 am and there's still some talent. There's a girl here that's been smiling at me for the last two nights but I've always been distracted so I call her over for a drink. US $200 to come home with me. She stays for about three hours. My best experience yet for the trip. I've still got running water. I'm in love with Kiev again.

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Hello all.

Lots seem to be happening!

First of all, ART 112 is very much open. I was there Thursday and Saturday.

For info purposes I met Katya there offering her services for $200 for all night. She's an attractive blond but I hadn't slept Wednesday night so I declined her "opening" offer. I took her number as I had told her not tonight but maybe another time. I'll of course not be offering $200. I have paid up to $300 in Kiev but usually from 8pm until the next afternoon.

I did a fly by to RP, just to check it out and the turnout tonight was quite poor so headed to bed.

Arranged to meet lifesavour on Friday at about 9pm but changd it to 7pm which clashed with a date he was meeting for the first time. One of lifes true gents, we spent the evening boozing as a threesome and as lifesavour isn't a nightowl he asked me to complete the deal! What a guy! Now we all know sharing is caring but that was exceptional generosity. A great night/next afternoon was had. No charge.

Saturday night spent in ART 112 but as it was a 50/50 chance I could actually perform after the previous marathon I took an early bath.

IL

MT Search

Dear friends,

If all goes right, but who knows???; I’ll be in Kiev from September 30th to October 5th. Of course I’ll be chasing MT (Mystery Tramp) in RP (River Palace). Any help to find her is welcome… you will be rewarded with a lot of pictures.

If I find her I’ll be using handcuffs (!) on the bed and fucking her at least a weekend!

Let me know!

PLEASE!

IT

The only place not to meet girls in Kiev is possibly being locked in your apartment.

Shooters does have more of a local vibe to it and a lot less blantant p4p. But it is quite the pick up joint.

$300 for a girl in a strip club...even $200 is too much, $100 is more like it. Welcome to tourist season in Kiev.

Girls do tend to get ill often in Kiev - must be the air. ;)

[QUOTE=It Travel]MT Search

Dear friends,

If all goes right, but who knows???; I’ll be in Kiev from September 30th to October 5th. Of course I’ll be chasing MT (Mystery Tramp) in RP (River Palace). Any help to find her is welcome… you will be rewarded with a lot of pictures.

If I find her I’ll be using handcuffs (!) on the bed and fucking her at least a weekend!

Let me know!

PLEASE!

IT[/QUOTE]She is Alisa.

If you want to know her phone number, PM me.

B30

Hi!

Next week I'll be back in Kiev and want to try one girl, here is she:

[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/show.php?id=463[/url]

She asks 80$ for hour.

Maybe someone knows her, because I see her for first time and never seen before, but realy want to met girl as on photos. I know that I can call and check her myself, but maybe someone already checked her out?

[QUOTE=Nitrouzex]Hi!

Next week I'll be back in Kiev and want to try one girl, here is she:

[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/show.php?id=463[/url]

She asks 80$ for hour.

Maybe someone knows her, because I see her for first time and never seen before, but realy want to met girl as on photos. I know that I can call and check her myself, but maybe someone already checked her out?[/QUOTE]

I have looked at your link... 2nd in tits? Fake silicone ones! Seems more a Californian model than a Ukranian beauty!


IT

PS Think out before calling.... (perhaps you get a beauty or a wild one, nobody knows), I'm 99% sure that you will not get the pictured girl...

I would say that 98% of being fake girl.
In any case you can phone and tell very clear that if the girl is not the one in the photo you will send her back

[url]http://www.crissymoran.com/partners/galleries/100147/crissywdress_net227[/url]
(couldn't find the original set but see the 2nd photo on the right)

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]The only place not to meet girls in Kiev is possibly being locked in your apartment.

Shooters does have more of a local vibe to it and a lot less blantant p4p. But it is quite the pick up joint.

$300 for a girl in a strip club...even $200 is too much. Welcome to tourist season in Kiev.

Girls do tend to get ill often in Kiev - must be the air. ;)[/QUOTE]Shooters is pretty good. I was there two years ago with a friend. Convenietly located near Arsenalnaya subway station. Here's a web site:

[url]http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/eng/[/url]

Many pictures, menu and a schedule of upcoming parties can be found here.

The only thing I didn't like is that the music was too loud. The second floor is better though. Tuesday and Wednesday they usually have free entrance.

[QUOTE=Curious12]Shooters is pretty good. I was there two years ago with a friend. Convenietly located near Arsenalnaya subway station. Here's a web site:

[url]http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/eng/[/url]

Many pictures, menu and a schedule of upcoming parties can be found here.

The only thing I didn't like is that the music was too loud. The second floor is better though. Tuesday and Wednesday they usually have free entrance.[/QUOTE]I found a night life site of Kiev.

[url]http://nochnoy.kiev.ua/[/url]

Could anybody recommend other places than shooters to pick up some girls, who are open for western tourists?

I want to travel to kiev, I will look to river palace, but I will check some places like shooters, Orangerea, or Arena to get some normal girls. Or do you think it is better to drink a coffee in the day-time?

Some Clubs in Kiev you can try beside the ones u mentioned: Privilege, Penthouse, Kaif, 112, Avalon, Decadence House, Pati-Pa, Sound Planet and Caribbean.

What do you consider as normal girls?
- A pro?
- A non pro, but she knows, she has to ask some money?
- A real Kiev girl who knows how to get the money out off the pockets of foreigners for drinks, food and presents?
- A local girl who is just out with her friends?

If you just want a local I can recommend you Sound Planet (Dmitriyevskaya) and Kaif (Arthema).

[QUOTE=Ismael]Some Clubs in Kiev you can try beside the ones u mentioned: Privilege, Penthouse, Kaif, 112, Avalon, Decadence House, Pati-Pa, Sound Planet and Caribbean.

What do you consider as normal girls?
- A pro?
- A non pro, but she knows, she has to ask some money?
- A real Kiev girl who knows how to get the money out off the pockets of foreigners for drinks, food and presents?
- A local girl who is just out with her friends?

If you just want a local I can recommend you Sound Planet (Dmitriyevskaya) and Kaif (Arthema).[/QUOTE]Thank you for tips. I mean a local girl, but i've no problem to pay some money for her or to buy her presents. I've to check it out.

Could you recommend a hotel or an apartment? I've read a lot, but i'm open for more tips. The best would be a cheap five star hotel :)

I like girls like that :)

[url]http://www.panorama.in.ua/files/gallery/n_kanal/big/IMG_7508.JPG[/url]

[url]http://www.panorama.in.ua/files/gallery/privilege-07.07/big/IMG_6694.jpg[/url]

[url]http://nochnoy.kiev.ua/joom/images/zoom/arena_01/viewsize/af1_02.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=Ismael]

If you just want a local I can recommend you Sound Planet (Dmitriyevskaya) and Kaif (Arthema).[/QUOTE]Kaif was closed last weekend after police found drugs there.

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]Kaif was closed last weekend after police found drugs there.[/QUOTE]

You meant to say Kaif was closed after the owners failed to make their montly payment to the police. ;)

Ukraine is one of the new emerging democracies and all the police you see by the roadside towards the end of the month are only there to wish the motorists a safe journey!

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]You meant to say Kaif was closed after the owners failed to make their montly payment to the police. ;)[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.panorama.in.ua[/url] - Kiev Nightlife

Drugs in a night club?! Imagine that. Next they are going to say there is prostitution going on...wow.

People attune to what's going on know that the clubs either make payments to the police or they make payments to the Mafia - if it was me I'd pick the police too. Just the cost of doing business, as it is in most of the world. Heck, in my puritanical provincial small city of Boston members of the local PD were recently busted for running an illegal strip club. And this is where with a little overtime rank and file members can make 80-100k/year. Just think how tempting it is to the cops making $100-$200/month.

Hello all!

A friend is soon heading for Kiev and is very interested to know about the streetwalking scene there.

Most discussion here is about agencies and the prices are quite high so what is the normal price for a street walker if such exists in Kiev and what are good places to find these girls.

All help regarding the streetwalker scene is very appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Where River Palace is, continue over the bridge to the Gidropark (metro stop) area. Streetwalkers hang out on the McDonlalds side - both before and after.

I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.

There use to be a kind of joke around ukraine and especially in kiev.

Simply if and when you get stoped by the militzia you should ask them how hungry they are and pay accordinly.

Meaning that police need food to survive also. Some are more hungry then others, but you should still pay for them to fill thier bellies full of steak and vodka.

I see something never change over there. One hundred years of corruption does not change over night or maybe even in a generation. I have had to bribe goverment officals many times in during my stay there (five to fifteen years ago). No one can erase the mentality of the russian people in a few short years.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D] I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.[/QUOTE]Now many street walkers hang out near Ukraina building. You must go down the hill. These gilrs are different than in Prague. Whereas unsafe in Prague, safe in here. You can find a student sometimes. Rates will be $60/1 to 2 hours.

Yes, I would be also interested in places in Kiev to find street walkers and prices paid.

Are there any near the bus/train stations as in other eastern european countries?

Which hours are best?


[QUOTE=Member #2001]There use to be a kind of joke around ukraine and especially in kiev.

Simply if and when you get stoped by the militzia you should ask them how hungry they are and pay accordinly.

Meaning that police need food to survive also. Some are more hungry then others, but you should still pay for them to fill thier bellies full of steak and vodka.

I see something never change over there. One hundred years of corruption does not change over night or maybe even in a generation. I have had to bribe goverment officals many times in during my stay there (five to fifteen years ago). No one can erase the mentality of the russian people in a few short years.[/QUOTE]

I would be very careful with real streetwalkers, not just in Kiev but in all of Ukraine.

The ladies Ballentine referred to are more tochka types than real SWs. Real SWs generally congregate near the outer metro entrances such a Darnitsa and the outer ring road and Prospekt Pobedy where the police are less likely to hassle them or extort large bribes from them.

If you are interested in obtaining the services of these SW bottom feeders then be aware that most are like their colleagues elsewhere, drug addicts. That being the case, many are also HIV positive. In this unfortunate lower class of Ukrainian society, AIDS, tuberculosis and other serious diseases are rampant and a problem that may well seriously affect the rest of this nation within 10 years.

If you want to pay $60 or so, then call the Kiev Post agencies, it is safer and better.

If you want an SW, then I suggest you also first make sure you have arrangements in place for health insurance that covers AIDS treatments.

I have personaly not met many street walkers that are drug addicts in Ukraine. I am sure that there are a few, but by no means as many as there are in some cities in the states.

My concern with street walkers is that the foringers that come there for sex of for other porpouses drive up the price or pussy. Once might be a novelty to pay top dollar, but to do so over and over again does nothing more then drive up these prices. Pussy use to be cheap over there but now its to the point were it is really not worth it to pay for pussy like I have been in the past.

Personaly I dont have a problem with getting a SW. Everyone has a certian tolerance for risk and maybe mine is high, but then agian maybe its just me. I wont do a girl with sores on her lips pussy or otherwise, or in general poor health. The experence I have had with these girls is that they just need some money to get buy. Maybe its due to some unforseen situation or because of lack of opputurinities. Whatever the reason I would not use the stereotype that all SWs are drug addicts.


[QUOTE=Uke Boy]I would be very careful with real streetwalkers, not just in Kiev but in all of Ukraine.

The ladies Ballentine referred to are more tochka types than real SWs. Real SWs generally congregate near the outer metro entrances such a Darnitsa and the outer ring road and Prospekt Pobedy where the police are less likely to hassle them or extort large bribes from them.

If you are interested in obtaining the services of these SW bottom feeders then be aware that most are like their colleagues elsewhere, drug addicts. That being the case, many are also HIV positive. In this unfortunate lower class of Ukrainian society, AIDS, tuberculosis and other serious diseases are rampant and a problem that may well seriously affect the rest of this nation within 10 years.

If you want to pay $60 or so, then call the Kiev Post agencies, it is safer and better.

If you want an SW, then I suggest you also first make sure you have arrangements in place for health insurance that covers AIDS treatments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member #2001]I have personaly not met many street walkers that are drug addicts in Ukraine. I am sure that there are a few, but by no means as many as there are in some cities in the states.[/QUOTE]I agree that not many street walkers in Ukraine are drug addicts.

Guys,

If you stick to the center, you will not see the real dregs of society here.

The ladies who you think are "streetwalkers" who inhabit the center are not by any means the hardcore SWs who inhabit New York, Paris London or other city center. In Kiev they are mostly short-time pros or semi-pros. They pay off the militia and wander the streets generally unmolested. They make the money they need to and then disappear.

I even suspect that they are also part of many local agencies who cater only to locals, getting picked up and going to another sauna or apartment when the call is made on their mobile.

On the periphery are the real hardcore druggies and SWs. If you want to use their services, you will pay $20 or less but the risk will be high. Too high from what I have seen. If any of you want to see this seamy side of Kiev then go ahead but it really is a rather ugly picture.

Uke Boy:

This is from an old post of mine, but its about the skanky streetwalker scene, which I visited on a sort of taxi safari into the boondocks 2 years back... you might enjoy the read...

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=243002&postcount=533[/url]

Today there was an article about prostitution of models in the KyivPost.

Here is the link:
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/business/general/24915/[/url]

Well someone was asking for an up-to-date report on the Escort service Kiev Privat, I think it was Irish Lad, so here you go.
A few nights ago felling lonely, as one does rarely in Kiev, but it can happen.
I called the number for Kiev Privat and found a nice helpful girl. I had checked the website and had a few in mind but pretty much chose 95(they go by numbers and names)
Out of
a habit of choosing blondes. The price quoted is 60usd for one hour and 40usd per hour after that.
She was supposed to arrive by Taxi within 30 to 40 minutes in which escort services usually means minimum an hour or more of which it was.
I was instructed to meet the girl down on the street in front of my apartment of which I am always a little nervous of, with the money which of course makes you even more nervous.
But nothing untoward happened and a taxi pulled up with two girls and I pop down and collect my booty and 95
gives the money to the other girl (who I established works for the same company.)
95 speaks no English but is a very nice girl. I found her to be attractive and was recognizable from the pictures on the website, especially by the hair of which she has braided.
The description was reasonably accurate, she was about 58 kilograms, not particularly skinny but not over weight either. She was 22 so they seems to put the age down a couple of years maybe and her breast size was decent but not overly large.
She gave a good service but did want to give BBBJ but everything else seemed within reason, I tried sliding the finger up the back end and got no complaints.
Overall a decent experience at a relatively good price compared to what some of the other agencies are charging now. I would return and use their services if they can keep up the competitiveness.

Alpha

I'm planning a visit to Kiev next week and wanted to hook-up with Lana, one of Inna's girls reported first by Irish Lad.
However, Inna isn't answering my emails nor SMSs. Does anyone know what became of her?
If anyone has the direct contact details of Lana please post or PM me.

Thanks,
Barmer

I have to start hanging out around modeling agencies more...;)

[QUOTE=Ismael]Today there was an article about prostitution of models in the KyivPost.

Here is the link:
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/business/general/24915/[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm thinking of going to Kiev around November/December. Looking through the various threads. This is what I gather:

1) The best agency to use is Gia. Perhaps not best to use other agencies?
2) The average cost is $200 - $300 US for a couple of hours. Although it does seem to cost around that price for all-nighters in some cases?
3) The best place to go is River Place.

Things I'm unclear on are:

1) Hotel recommendatons? Are they girld friendly?
2) Are there cheaper options worth considering? $300 US is quite a lot cash IMO.
3) Any tips on bareback action? I understand the health risks so I don't want to start that debate. But any tips would be appreciated.
4) A few of the independant websites don't have any English versions. How do others read these websites?

Any other recommendations?

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Freshc]3) Any tips on bareback action? I understand the health risks so I don't want to start that debate.
[/QUOTE]

You just did. Wow, i just read you´ve been fucking around in Gambia, probably bareback too, i bet that was lots of fun. So now you´ve decided it´s time for some bareback action in my favourite town Kiev? My advice is stay at home. Your problem if you don´t care about your own life, but you should think about the risks you´re exposing others to.

[QUOTE=Freshc]I'm thinking of going to Kiev around November/December. Looking through the various threads. This is what I gather:

1) The best agency to use is Gia. Perhaps not best to use other agencies?
2) The average cost is $200 - $300 US for a couple of hours. Although it does seem to cost around that price for all-nighters in some cases?
3) The best place to go is River Place.

Things I'm unclear on are:

1) Hotel recommendatons? Are they girld friendly?
2) Are there cheaper options worth considering? $300 US is quite a lot cash IMO.
3) Any tips on bareback action? I understand the health risks so I don't want to start that debate. But any tips would be appreciated.
4) A few of the independant websites don't have any English versions. How do others read these websites?

Any other recommendations?

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]

Answers


First of all… I agree totally with Delgado! And I am very sad for you :(

Then…

1) Sure, you can use a lot of others, you find them both on internet and on Kyiv post. But Gia is the only one, as far as I know, to provide you with all the stuff… girls, apartments, transfers, shopping and whatever you want.

2) The average cost is 250-350 USD per night (not per a couple of hours, even less for freelancers)… of course longer is the time cheaper it’s per hour.

3) Might be for a pro. If you want others just go around and go in to a disco, very good the one on the top of the Rinok, the market, in the square at the end of Khreshchatyk (sorry for the spelling).

Again

1) They are usually are girl friendly (5 and 4 stars) otherwise you have to bribe the security 20 USD/20 € should be a well paying… otherwise let the girl decide. Better to rent a flat. In the 300 USD class they are all girl friendly, otherwise they will loos all the customers, In these hotels, you always find a expensive and not so good selection at the bar. (prices you told)

2) Of course, go at the “apartments” link on Gia, or wherever else you have seen here… or even on a local hotel… for 350 USD you can get a good room at Mir hotel (somebody do not like it) plus a girl for all the night… not only an empty bed! An you have even pocket money for a beer or a vodka!

3) Of course just ask for BBBJ and CIM, of course COF and COB is welcome… just to pay. I never fuck uncovered!! So I do not know…

4) I’ts not a few; near the totality of Ukrainian and Russian websites do not have English version…. How to understand… sorry to be polemic! Do you have Russian version on your websites? Or Chinese Mandarin and Spanish (the two most spoken languages in the world: of course not!)… there are a lot of translating resources in Internet, like the babel fish, of altavista (I hope it’s noticing that I hate google and yahoo, some kind of “selected” search engines). And there is also [url]www.translate.ru[/url]... Go on the flags for right language. If you were in a classic school you could at least read half…

Happy trip

IT

PS… Enjoy CIM!!! :)

Thanks It Travel... Your feedback is much appreciated! It will help plan my trip. :-)

FYI, I've never gone bareback on my mongering travels. I have always used a condom. But I do somtimes wonder about it from time to time.

hello,

i have just returned from kiev where i spent two weeks.

thank you in irish lad for yours contacts.

first for some practical aspects:

attention with the control of passport, that lasts 30 minutes

the apartment with [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com. ua/[/url] no problem even i made the deal a little bit late, it is necessary to pay in cash

the taxi was reserved with the apartment: 30 $ from the airport

you need to have a handy phone with a local card, about 20$

now girls.

i had started by making contacts on [url]http://www.flirt.com. ua/[/url]

but you need some time, and preferably to speak russian.

admittedly i had only one week.

interesting thing, you can receive phone numbers coming from sites such as

[url]http://www.kievprivat.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.top-models.com. ua/[/url]

[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/[/url]

there is also this site [url]http: //love. gala.net[/url] /, but i did not test.

and also this forum in order to help a little but a translator is needed:

[url]http://www.fucker. kiev. ua/viewforum.php? id=2[/url]

first meeting with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url].

really a very very good surprise.

a beautiful girl, good company, fun, speaking perfectly english.

every time she had nice dress, elegant and sexy.

perfect on all occasions.

i was under her charm.

my only regret is not to have could pass more time with her.

About the River Palace :

Price depends of the day, it is between 40 to 60 Grivnas.

The price of a drink is about 30 grivnas.

Taxi to go, I paid 50 grivnas from the center.

Come back 70 grivnas.

There is 3 area:

When you arrive, on the left side a casino, on the right the disco, and dowstairs a bar with a band.

You can left the disco to visit.

There is a lot of girls in the disco, especially near the bar.

At least 50 girls, but may be more, a lot.

Drinks were nice, there was a special cocktail night.

So I drunk.

About the girls :

The price is 200 $ for a night. May be it depends of the girls, time, but it was the first price she gave to me.

Take care about one thing : the service.

No kiss, I don t like, so ask before.

But no problem with english.

I saw some girls accept to spend a night only with one of her friend.

So River Palace is good place if you discuss a little bit before, and if you don t drink too much.

If you take directly a girl you can have bad surprise.

About Arena,

I didn t visit this disco, but two people said to me 50 % of the girls are pro, or semi pro.

This is a disco for elite.

For hunting, but I didn t visit too, but you can try in the disco Avalon open Thursday to Sunday

Hi,

You are very welcome! I'm glad you had a good time. For the next time please note. Kiev taxis are robbing bastards! From the centre to RP, stick your hand out as if waving down a car and a local lad, maybe even with his wife in the car will drop you down for much less. learn the word for 20 ( Vas) and just repeat it over and over.

Coming home, walk by the taxis quoting up to 100 and stand by the main road.....with or without a girl and repeat the above process only now you should know the word for 30 ( trista). The first might say no but the 2nd won't pass up on your set price.

IL

Hello, I will be in Kiev soon and looking for a natural, non-professional girl who can be girlfriend, company and tour guide for at least 24 hours. She does not have to look like a model but should be able to speak decent English.

In Russia (e.g. St. Petersburg) there are some students offering tour guide / company service for relatively little money, and if they like you they will come with you to your hotel/apartment for some extra money. They advertise in the local English magazines.

Does anyone have any experience her? Does such system exist in Ukraine at all? I am not too fond of professionals, that's why I am asking. Thanks for your help.

Here are the last Gia prices, now they have VIP Models
Here is the full price list.
We present GIA girls for you:

ALLA (speaks good English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20).

ELIZA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350, 8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

GALINA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20).

IRINA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url](20$), Lesbi(10$).

KATRINA (speaks good English):
1 hour $130, 2 hours $170, 3 hours $220, 4 hours $270, 6 hours $320, 8 hours $370, 10 hours $420, 12 hours $450, 1 day $550, 2 days $950, 3 days $1250.
Price including: BJ without condom, COB+CIM, classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

LIKA (speaks good English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10).

NIKA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10)

OLGA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350, 8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

POLINA (speaks good English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation,massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), Lesbi ($10)

RUSLANA (speaks good English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350, 8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, striptease, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: Lesbi($10)

SVETA (no English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20).

TAMILA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $130, 2 hours $170, 3 hours $220, 4 hours $270, 6 hours $320, 8 hours $370, 10 hours $420, 12 hours $450, 1 day $550, 2 days $900, 3 days $1200.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage.

VIOLA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20)

YANA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350, 8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600, 2 days $1000, 3 days $1300.
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

YULIA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20), play with toys($10)

ZLATA (no English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260, 8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800, 3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage. Extra charges: BJ without condom($10)

* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting in the center of Kiev (Kreschtik, Malaya Zhitomerskaya, Proreznaya, Basseinaya, Lesi Ukrainki, Mikhailovskaya Streets ...)
1-2 hours rent 30$
2-4 hours rent 30-40$
1 day rent 60-100$
Please, call us when you are in Kiev 2 hours before the meeting:
+38-044-23-23-028 (english-speaking manager)
+38-067-40-76-400 (english-speaking manager)
We work only in Ukraine, Kiev.
Looking forward to hearing from you soon!
All the best!
Diana Voronko

It seems that the price goes up in summer... Recently a lot of new or re entered girls.. The price goes also on gound they speak or not English. Surely my favorites are the petite Zlata and Yana (VIP).

IT

Bez,

It seems that you have distorted some of my posts. It's true that I have said I've been in Kiev 6 years and it's also true that I once used the term 'visit'. This comes about because I often have to go back to West Europe in my line of work, so much so that I'm not sure if I qualify as living in Kiev or continuosly visiting.

[QUOTE=Tremayne]Bez,

It seems that you have distorted my posts.
It's true I am often not sure if I live or visit.

[/QUOTE]

Hope this clears nothing up.

Hello guys,

I have a few questions about the scene in Ukraine, Ive been travelling alot to other eastern european capitals, but never been to Kiev. In every other capitals there are a few realy good stripclubs - can anyone recommend a realy good one in Kiev with "normal" prices? And are there any good brothels in town? (apartments/clubs) or do you to call an agency for the girls?

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Natten

[QUOTE=Freshc]Thanks It Travel... Your feedback is much appreciated! It will help plan my trip. :-)

FYI, I've never gone bareback on my mongering travels. I have always used a condom. But I do somtimes wonder about it from time to time.[/QUOTE]

Let me know, even by PM, how it was going... I'll be there in the first days of October.. No work just sex :) :)

Hi

IT

[QUOTE=Natten]Hello guys,

I have a few questions about the scene in Ukraine, Ive been travelling alot to other eastern european capitals, but never been to Kiev. In every other capitals there are a few realy good stripclubs - can anyone recommend a realy good one in Kiev with "normal" prices? And are there any good brothels in town? (apartments/clubs) or do you to call an agency for the girls?

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Natten[/QUOTE]Hi!

As for stripclubs, I prefer to rest in club Bingo (Pobedy 112, Svyatoshino) you can phone them and get more info, here is number 8(044)424-25-55

As for girls, try to search for them on this site [url]http://www.intimkiev.com/[/url]
but beware of girls dossiers with high quality photoes, because there are many fakes, try only those with more realistic photoes and with average price for an hour 80$

Good luck!

"Mexico" on "Kreschatyk" close to Independence Square is a not so expensive, the drinks are not too expensive and the price for all night is 300 euro. I have had some gems pulled from there. However, the last time I was there (in July) the quality of girls was very bad.

Another possibility is Millenium in Hotel Dniepre. Some stunners among the girls, price is USD 400 for all night (if they like you). But being there talking to the girls is like having a vacuum cleaner to suck your wallet: expensive ladies "cocktails", then they want sweets, fruits, food - and it is all expensive, the girls get a percentage of everything you buy.

However, I have had a couple of almost unbelievable stunners from there (not every girl is a stunner!), and it may be possible to meet them the next day/evening for a lower price. But be prepared to pay the first evening.

300e/400USD is too expensive.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]300e/400USD is too expensive.[/QUOTE]


I agree, and it seems stupid to put so much money on a vacuum cleaner of your wallet. put the money on a BBBJ + CIM ;)

I think the right price is 200/300 for a ggod one, or more if she is staying very long...

IT

Anybody knows how it's sold, I do not remember since last trip on ground I had Viagra left from Moscow...

I would like to buy Cialis is it free sold?

Please let me know.

IT

IT:

I have found C in most of the central pharmacies, over the counter, no prescription, about 100 Grv ($20) per tab.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT:

I have found C in most of the central pharmacies, over the counter, no prescription, about 100 Grv ($5) per tab.[/QUOTE]


You are a certainty! ;)

As you well understand it's for the Mystery Tramp! Iphoned her ans it's seems she is avaliable for some days! :) :)

By the way I'll be thre from SEP 30 to OCT 05 And You? I'll rent a flat from kiev apartments... with a Jacuzzi for three ;)

Bye

IT

PS Of course I do NOT mean that you are invited in the Jacuzzi with me! :D

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT:

I have found C in most of the central pharmacies, over the counter, no prescription, about 100 Grv ($5) per tab.[/QUOTE]Check the math? Maybe its $20? Two years ago I bought V for around 85 grivna! I was surprised as EVERY OTHER med seems to be so cheap! Just bought some AUGMENTIN (atibiotic) for 60 grivna. $80 or $90 in States!

LS Guy

Doc & IT,

Your math is way off, I am sorry to say.

C, A, and L are all sold openly in most pharmacy kiosks and stores and almost everywhere, not just in the center.

You can buy single tabs as well as packages of 4, I believe, been a long time since I bought some. Viagra is the cheapest at about 300 grivna per pack of 4 to about 500 grivna for C. L is somewhat in between.

That being said, the math is $60 per package for V or about $15 per tab to $100 per package for C or about $25 per tab.

These prices are for the actual manufacturer's products. You can also get so-called generics or similar made products at much lower prices.

Uke and LS:

Thanks for catching my mistake. I typed in the wrong number.

I meant to write $20 per tab but instead entered the dollar exchange rate factor of 5...

So the real price is 100 grv/5 = $20/tab.

That is based on a 4-pack at just under 400 grv, bought about 2 weeks ago near Besarabska plosha.

As for the availability, I've only ever used central pharmacies which all seem to stock them, so I don't know about any outside of the center. I am sure most pharamacies in the city stock the stuff. I was banging a girl that worked for Pfizer in Kiev and we often joked about Viagra and C... she would comment about how only "old guys" take that stuff, and then marvel at how long I stayed rock hard and how often we would do it... so naive... if she only knew that some of my "performances" were "c-inspired"... :)

Sorry about the typo! I have corrected my original post with the "bad math".

[QUOTE=Nitrouzex]Hi!

As for stripclubs, I prefer to rest in club Bingo (Pobedy 112, Svyatoshino) you can phone them and get more info, here is number 8(044)424-25-55

As for girls, try to search for them on this site [url]http://www.intimkiev.com/[/url]
but beware of girls dossiers with high quality photoes, because there are many fakes, try only those with more realistic photoes and with average price for an hour 80$

Good luck![/QUOTE]Can you tell more about this Club Bing? Is it a nightclub, strip club, brothel?

I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.[/QUOTE]

Really too bad for you, but it´s unbelievable how naiv you were, especially if one considers you´ve been member of this forum for one year...

But sometimes people don't think with the brain but the dick. Next time I will be cleverer.

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ. If you live in Germany, and you spend your 900USD equal to 750Euro in a FKK then the bill would be:

Entrance fee 50 Euro
14 sesions full service 700 Euro
Total 750 Euro

.. and if you did not want to stay at the FKK then I am sure you with 750Euro in your hand could get a special arrangement to take the girl with you.

Just my TWO CENT

Himself

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.[/QUOTE]I've made a firm resolution to myself that I'll only do p4p if I can meet the girl - with no commitment on my part - beforehand, chat, find out what she's going to do for me and then fix the price: with payment taking place when she's safely inside my apartment :) That's why RP and semi pros in discos are so good in my experience. I'm sure getting a girl from a strip club would be similarly good - albeit more expensive.

I've always felt uneasy about waiting for a girl to come to me. She may never show up, or end up looking like Roseanne Barr when you were expecting Helena Christiansen.

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]But sometimes people don't think with the brain but the dick. Next time I will be cleverer.[/QUOTE]

... you are right: A man biggerst problem is that God did not create us with sufficient blood to both feed the brain and an erected dick...

I am not sure just how many reports I have written about the actual nature of most, if not all, agencies here. The same applies to most of life here, from the government to just shopping in a local market.

The local attitude is and therefore your attitude should also be to any transaction here is that the other person is a thief. I do not mean to be so hard on locals, many of whom are really good people, but business here, and especially the sex business is just plain dishonest and corrupt.

They will do everything and anything to ensure that you are parted from your money in the easiest way. If you let one part of your body do your thinking, then you will certainly, and always, just screw yourself and only yourself.

It is one thing to be here and to play by local rules. That means if some agency sends over a monster, you can and should send them back right away always and at no cost to you, not even for taxi fare.

But under NO circumstances should you ever, not ever, send any money to anyone, agency, lady, ANYONE here under any circumstances, unless they are blood relations. And even then, with relatives, you may have to think twice.

The attitude here is that the foreigner is an idiot who has no brains and is easily parted from his cash.

Unfortunately in too many cases they are right.

The forum is to help you not make such mistakes. As has been said over and over again RTFF and not just the first page.

hello all,

with the theme of good and bad escorts currently being discussed, i point out that there is a new section here for this sort of thing in mind. i posted the link to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] there as many people asked about her. i'll add to this over the coming months and hope that others do too.

il

Thanks for the suggestion both here and in Moscow forum.

Somebody has no. of some good duos? I mean two teens o just a little above making all kind of sex?

I'll be there fom September 30th, Saturday.

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]Thanks for the suggestion both here and in Moscow forum.

Somebody has no. of some good duos? I mean two teens o just a little above making all kind of sex?

I'll be there fom September 30th, Saturday.

IT[/QUOTE]For duos call GIA and ask for it. I had contact with them about duo a couple of months ago, and they recommended some alternatives (now I don't remember which girls it was). Unfortunately the girls were nor not free when I called a couple of days before. My suggestion is to make a reservation maybe a week in advance when you know that you will be in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.[/QUOTE]Dear members of InternationalSexGuide!

My name is Anton Samoilov, i'm manager of escort agency "Diamond Passion"
I want to refuse the post of "Kievmaster111"

Our agency have never fraud our clients. I think "Kievmaster111" is a creator of one scam agency who want to advertise his site in the future.

So to to proove my statements please read this correspondence with "Kievmaster111":

K:
Subject: Looking for escort in Hannover/Germany
--------------------------------------------------
Client info:
Name: Gerd van Buren
Email: [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
Phone: +495215217175
Age: 37
Nationality: German
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Meeting information:
On: 16.09.2006
From: 16.09.2006
End: 18.09.2006
--------------------------------------------------

My comments:
1. PHONE DID'T work
2. meeting should be from the 16th of September, today is only 6th of September, so "Kievmaster111" cant tel that "No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone."

Anton Samoilov: Good Day, Mr Gerd van Buren.

Please confirm.

1. your reservation with Ludmila from morning 16/09/2006 to day 18/09/2006
2. meeting in Hannover/Germany
3. what kind of travel expenses you wish:
- you will organize ticket yourself
- we will make all arrangements (cost of the ticket - 483 usd or
371 euro)
4. price for the service - 800 usd or 615 euro

K:Hello Sir,

thank you for the information. I have two, three motre questions.

I want you to organize the flight because your price is lower than I would pay. Can you send me then the flight table?

How to pay the deposit and the travel? Can I pay with Credit Card?

Can I have some more pictures of Ludmila? And what services she offers?

I have to handle quick because on Tuesday I go to Holidays and I want to arrange everything before I leave.

Regards

Gerd von Buuren

Anton Samoilov:
Mr Gerd von Buuren.
Thank you for your quick answer!
I offer you this flight schedule:
Sat 16-Sep
5:40 am Depart Moscow (SVO)
Arrive Hanover (HAJ) 10:30 am
Lufthansa 3197 / 1020

Mon 18-Sep
7:20 pm Depart Hanover (HAJ)
2:05 am Arrive Moscow (SVO)
Lufthansa 1033 / 3196

The flight will be from Moscow as it's more cheaper.
It's impossible to receive your deposit by credit
card as well as by means of Western Union.

There are some pics of our ladies
She offers: splended a blowjob in all its variations,
classic, lesbian show, trio, anal, strip-show, french
kissing, 69 ... and so on (no extra).

K:
Hello Sir,

thank you for this mail.

Please tell me your western union coordinates and I will transfer the money tomorrow morning.

Regards

Gerd von Buuren

Anton Samoilov:

The dates for Western Union:
first and last name: ***** *******
city and country: ****** ******
amount: 883 usd or 679 euro

As soon as we will receive your payment i book the flight ticket and
send the scan copy of it to you.

K: no replies
(3 days no replies)

Anton Samoilov:
Please confirm the booking!

K:
Hello Transfer is done:

Sender: Gerd van Buuren
City: Herford/Germany
MTCN: 9754654327
Sum: $900

Please inform me when you have received the money

Gerd

Anton Samoilov:

It was a good joke i called Western Union office and they informed me that there wasn't any money transfers from "Gerd van Buuren" or by this MTCN

(comments: dears members you can visit [url]http://www.westernunion.com[/url]) and check this transfer)

After this no any replies!!!!!

And final: our programmers checked his IP address... Oh! (this what i saw 213.159.251.231) please check this IP here [url]http://www.hostip.info/index.htm[/url] this man was from Kiev, Ukraine!!!!!!!!

P.S. Some words to Admin of this forum, please chech IP of this member and confirm my words if i'm right please ban him!

Thank you to all!

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hello all:
take a look at this girl:

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=56972945[/url]

the first pics must be old ones, but she is a very goodlooking girl

her offer is this:

My fee 75 Euro per 1 hour,350 Euro per
nighte, 500 Euro per 72 hours
I can provide all kinds of servises but not anal sex
If it's good for you, we could arrange our meet.

500 euros for 72 hours look really very interesting, a great offer.

Does anybody knows her???

[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]hello all:
take a look at this girl:

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=56972945[/url]

the first pics must be old ones, but she is a very goodlooking girl.

Her offer is this:

My fee 75 Euro per 1 hour,350 Euro per nighte, 500 Euro per 72 hours.

I can provide all kinds of servises but not anal sex.

If it's good for you, we could arrange our meet.

500 euros for 72 hours look really very interesting, a great offer.

Does anybody knows her?[/QUOTE]Hey Guys!

I've been visiting Kiev since Nov 2000! I have been ALL-OVER the interent looking!

This photo of this Anna has been around for at least 4 years! Same story. 1st found her on UA Date.com) Funny - she never seems to age? I have also seen her photo based out of Odessa? But mostly Kiev!

Try her? Someone find out if she is the REAL - DEAL!

LS Guy

hello,

i received a reply from her too when i was doing some trawling a while back. her rates are very high compared to what's available elsewhere. overnight at $440 is much too expensive when you can meet a class girl like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] for $300 who has a more extensive menu.

i also noticed that the promotional message was very similar to that of a girl who conned another forum member here with a dinner and pay now scam. she had gone when he returned from the bathroom.

il

[QUOTE=Kievmaster111]I ordered model from 'Agency' [url]www.diamond-passion.com[/url]. She should come to Germany. Did prepayment of $900 for ticket/deposit. And guess what? No girl arrived, no reply to my mails, no reply to phone. Money is lost but I want to warn other mongers not to do this mistake like me.[/QUOTE]Dear members of InternationalSexGuide!

My name is Anton Samoilov, i'm manager of escort agency "Diamond Passion"
I want to refuse the post of "Kievmaster111"

Our agency have never fraud our clients. I think "Kievmaster111" is a creator of one scam agency who want to advertise his site in the future.

So to to proove my statements please read this correspondence with "Kievmaster111":

[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]hello all:

Take a look at this girl:

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=56972945[/url]

the first pics must be old ones, but she is a very goodlooking girl

her offer is this:

My fee 75 Euro per 1 hour,350 Euro per
nighte, 500 Euro per 72 hours
I can provide all kinds of servises but not anal sex
If it's good for you, we could arrange our meet.

500 euros for 72 hours look really very interesting, a great offer.

Does anybody knows her?[/QUOTE]I had contact by e-mail with this girl 2 years ago by e-mail. I had planned to meet her in Kiev. Then I suddenly saw her picture in a dating site. If it is the same girl - which I am quite certain about - she must now be in her mid-thirties and she has 2 children. I cancelled my appointment. Anyway, she has been around at different sites for at least 5 years. I think the pictures you see are a result of a good photographer:). But since I did not meet her in real life I may be wrong, but after seeing her around for a long time with a lot of pictures, I am 90% certain I am correct.

[quote=irish lad]hello,
her rates are very high compared to what's available elsewhere. ......

il[/quote]

the good offer is 500 for 72 hours, not the others ( one nigth etc). i agree with you that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is a best ( and i am not talking about sex but about all, classy, nice, educated, polite, elegant..she is a princess), but 72 hors with her would be much more.
about the post of her pics,, yes the 4 first ones are from when she did her first communion, but the 2 last ones show a more real 30 ( or middle 30) pretty classy lady.
if it is a scam and she disapear while the first date,,,i have no idea, so i was asking here

I'll be back in Kyiv from Sept. 28 through Oct. 5. On my last visit, I went briefly to the club upstairs at the Premier Palace, which I think is called Taboo. I was approached by several of the girls there to buy drinks and/or go to one of the private rooms. I could guess by the look of the place that either of these would be extremely expensive. However, the girls were hands-down the best looking women I've seen so far in Kyiv. So now I'm curious, what is the going rate here? Any chance of taking one of these girls home, and what would be the rate for that? Any experiences/reports on this place would be greatly appreciated.

SR

[QUOTE=Srilm]I'll be back in Kyiv from Sept. 28 through Oct. 5. On my last visit, I went briefly to the club upstairs at the Premier Palace, which I think is called Taboo. I was approached by several of the girls there to buy drinks and/or go to one of the private rooms. I could guess by the look of the place that either of these would be extremely expensive. However, the girls were hands-down the best looking women I've seen so far in Kyiv. So now I'm curious, what is the going rate here? Any chance of taking one of these girls home, and what would be the rate for that? Any experiences/reports on this place would be greatly appreciated.

SR[/QUOTE]From what I have heard from several sources - I have not been there myself - the going rate is 5-600 USD for the night

[QUOTE=Srilm]I'll be back in Kyiv from Sept. 28 through Oct. 5. On my last visit, I went briefly to the club upstairs at the Premier Palace, which I think is called Taboo. I was approached by several of the girls there to buy drinks and/or go to one of the private rooms. I could guess by the look of the place that either of these would be extremely expensive. However, the girls were hands-down the best looking women I've seen so far in Kyiv. So now I'm curious, what is the going rate here? Any chance of taking one of these girls home, and what would be the rate for that? Any experiences/reports on this place would be greatly appreciated.

SR[/QUOTE]

I do not know how these nights are, but I'll be thre in the same period. I prefer pro places like River Palace.

Bye

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]I do not know how these nights are, but I'll be thre in the same period. I prefer pro places like River Palace.

Bye

IT[/QUOTE]I have generally stuck with places like RP, Arena, and Gia because I have had good experiences with them 90% of the time. However, the girls at Taboo were drop-dead model gorgeous, and I would like to expand my horizons a little. This is a 5-star hotel though, so I am a little afraid of the "sticker shock" and would like some more info. I wish that I had not been so bewildered by the beauty of these girls and had asked some questions when I was there this past June, but so it goes.

SR

Dear Srlim

I well understand what you mean.. I think that all we here love new things and experiences (I mean with girls of course), but too many times I ended out for stupid, no GFE, etc. etc. stunners. Specially in Russia.

This is one of the reasons why I go for sure ones, perhaps not beauties, but it will be ok if you take them anally all the morning!

So some times I prefer ordinary girls, even a little bit naïve. Some of them will do exactly all you want for a Franklin more. :)

By the way, but of course it’s my opinion and my taste, I’m not the person hanging out in a club looking for girls in mini bikinis, ok once or twice could go, just for choosing them and taking them home…*** But I’m very far from the “night club” mentality. Same reason for which I nearly only take overnighters, Ok some afternoons in a Salon are not bad, but…

My ideal is finding the right girl (best if two!), possibly under 21-22 y.o.; get home, usually before 7 PM, get a drink (home, I love to do my own Bloody Mary) and a good couple of rounds, before 10 PM. Then go out, have a good dinner together (usually I let them choose, I like all types of food, they choose the type, I choose a good restaurant); so a good dinner, a walk, back home, some hours of good sex, some sleep, and then at early morning, usually before 7AM I start with other rounds.. up to 10-12 AM. In the day I will be really relaxed and might do really good work, just 5-6 hours, I do not need more when I’m abroad.
You might understand that my ideas can’t go with going around nights or clubs up to 2 or 3 AM.

Of course there are few matters in the world where opinions can differ more than in Sex! And we are very lucky it’s so. Happy hunting in Kiev.


*** Only once I was very disappointed, and did not leave the Club before it closed!
You can see here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=423497&postcount=469[/url]
I still remember the unlucky of not getting these two petite teens in bed (ouch!), they were nearly perfect, petites (155-160), one blonde one black, small hard bodies and tits, 38-40 in clothes, surely well under 20 y.o. but it ended up with their boy friend coming and the them home… and of course fucking them like rabbits! :( :(

right off, all my russian friends laughed when i told them i was going to kiev. usually, in moscow, “kokhli” is the punch line of a good joke. they seem to see ukrainians as russian with a speech impediment, who have been kicked in the head a couple of time. add in a legendary appetite for gorlilka and you’ve got kokhli.

even on the train over from moscow, it was nicer. in the past, every time i have traveled by train in the fsu exactly one of my coupemates has either been a) a smelly drunk or b) a talkative drunk. on one rare occasion, i had to share a stateroom with both a smelly and a talkative drunk. the entire system of showing your passport to the conductor makes it blatantly obvious that you are a foreigner and thus are subjected to nonstop questions like “america, good? da?” one hour down, eleven to go.

this time, the only other occupant was a hot ukrainian journalist babe. she made it abundantly clear that she was spoken for, but she did fill me in on things to do while in kiev. it was a welcome change.

after all the negative things the russians had said about the kokhli, i was pleasantly surprised when i got off the train. everything seemed a little more cleaner and better taken care of than in moscow. it also took me about 9 hours to actually spot a cop. i found a 3-room apartment with a bar overlooking the dniper for a laughable price (by moscow standards). amazingly (again coming from moscow) they did not try and screw me over when they heard my accented russian.

after dropping my shit off i had to meet a british friend at the train station. he has been living in moscow for well over the past year and has yet to learn a single symbol of the cyrillic alphabet. couple of drinks later and a gorika run at the local stop, we were ready to go. right outside of our podezd door there were a couple of girls drinking beer. my friend, let’s just call him john, tried his typical line- screaming “do you speak english?” amazingly, it worked. one of the girls was absolutely beat, but the other, alyona, was gorgeous- talk, milky perfect complexion and those exotic cat eyes that slavic girls sometimes have.

my memory somewhat fails me at this point but i remember sitting in a restaurant, with alyona stroking my knee, feeding me bits of bread and sala that she had ordered. when the bill came they, the girls, insisted on paying. i have never had that happen.

alyona’s friend fucked off but she came back with us. john crashed on the couch and i showed alyona to the shower. she came out, wrapped in a towel and right when she was about to slip under the covers, john barges in shouting about a double team and how she told him he had nice eyes, further evidence of her wanting a threesome. i could have strangled him with his shoelaces but settled on throwing out into the hall. despite that, i spent an amazing, and energetic, night with an absolute goddess. so much so that even now, a several days later, i still have scabby raw knees- some kind of friction burn from the sheets.

next day, alyona off to work at her bank. a hungover tour of the city. again, i am impressed- no cops. even the construction sites are free from those trailers packed full of tajik slave labor.

that night, i was dragged down to o’brien’s to watch england barely win over macedonia. a full immersion into british pub culture. john and i downed about 30 gin-tonics between the two of us. we found out from some of the expats where to go. everyone pointed us to either arena or river palace. we went for river palace.

the first thing we see in the lobby is a bunch of 6 foot tall ukrainian goddesses leading out asians in armani half their size. basically, a boarhouse on the river. the women there were stunning but they ask for 300 dollars. i am not sure if that is for the night but whatever it is, it is expensive. the going rate in moscow, the most expensive city in the world, is 150 for a night. this does not bode well if this is the vaunted integration with the eu they are talking about.

neither of us were interested, so we got a cab back to the flat. the driver turns around and goes “devushki?” and we are like “why not”? he starts going on about there were girls working in an “office” by that besoarabian market. sounds shady, but again why not? the place is an apartment decked out like the austin powers psychedelic swinging pussycats club. in the middle on a pink couch, were about 6 working girls. right when we arrived, all there kids from the under 20 kiev soccer league had just gotten there. they would take a girl for 50 dollars and hour and after about 3 minutes would come out of a room with their head hanging. alright, put the children to bed, team america’s turn. i stood up, threw a hundred dollars down on the coffee table, put a girl over each shoulder, kicked the door to the bedroom down and had at it.

wow! i still have this big stupid grin on my face, thinking about it. the girls and i took a shower together to top it all off. got back to the apartment around 6 in the mourning and passed out.

next day, i called alyona who stopped by right after work and did not leave until the next morning. i think i saw blood in one of the condoms.

took off to moscow that next night and have been scheming to get transferred to kiev even since.

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[quote=pt sailor]i made it to kiev. wow!!! rented appartment but it was terrible by us standards, could not sleep, packed up at 4:00 am and walked over and under snow 2 blocks to the premier palace where i checked in for about u$500 a day. great place, ridiculous price and $70 a day for internet access in the room. outrageous. vicktoria the receptionist is very beautiful and helpfull, but a 'good girl. 2 days later moved to much cheapper and almost as good radisson for half the price and free high speed internet in the room. pp charged $5 for capuccinos with breakfast, radisson they are free. girls: most none of the pictures in the sites are true. i did 3 girls a day for 3 days straigth. good bless viagra and the beautiful girls of kiev. best things i did include calling an english speaking driver alex (+38 067 771 08 00 [email]ukrorloff@mail.ru[/email]) who is fun, knowledgable, reliable, trustworthly and will actually pickup girls on the road for you.

at the boat i picked up twins masha and tania (21 yo) tall, classy, skinny, beautiful. very good english. paid $400 for both together. sveta who works for lola (+38 067 465 72 82) is young, skinny, very clean but make sure the number of hours and price is clearly set; basic english. lola is the owner of the escort agency (pimp), she is fun, intelligent and a great date for dinner. darya (+38 066 206 74 96) is a great fuck, blonde, young, clean, etc. her pictures on the net are true. victoria (+38 050 861 7176) is about as beatiful a girl can be and a great fuck. she could be a super model, tall, skinny, great skin, great kisser. $100. don't ruin her.

good luck.[/quote]


sorry to be so late but i red this just today... and you decided not to recieve pm.

you give a lot of facts... do you even have the reference of twins?

that would be great (already done sisters) but twins are my secret dreams, even if they are not stunners...

thanks

it

Hi friends,

There are plenty of girls I picked up'd a nice 32 yo girl at River Boat called Lena. She is ready for anal all the time.

Alright. This place sure has loads of info. I'm in a state of info overkill right now. So let me sum up what I've learned reading all these posts - if I've got something wrong - don't hesitate to correct me or give me even better suggestions. I want this to be a good trip.

My plans when visiting Kiev for four days next week are as follows:

A: Get a chic from Gia to visit my hotel.
B: Get a Rakuena Massage done by three girls.
C: Visit River Palace and see what happens.

My thoughts.
A: Gia looks fine, but the models isn't exactly world class. I'll have a good time I'm sure, but maybe there's a place with women more stylish? A place where they show you real fotos. I don't speak a word Russian btw.

B: Three girls at a time. That sounds fucking awesome. Sad they don't fuck. Because they don't, right? Not even a little blowjob? Not a chance to make a date with them later in the evening? Can that be true? It sounds so unreal, but hey, what do I know.

C: I've been to Boarhouse in Moscow and that was a bit hectic. I would actually prefer af less crowded place and maybe even a place where you can do the fucking in booths, rooms or whatever available. A club, a stripjoint, maybe a topscale brothel (to they exist in Kiev?).

D: What did I miss?

Hope you have some comments or/and some good recommendations. I like slim not skinny girls and I like them titties to do some serious bouncing. So pls. no A or B for me.

All the best

Black Bltjones

Anyone ever consider bringing back one of these vixens back to USA for a quid pro quo arrangement, you give me sex and in 2 or 3 years you get a green card?

If I was interested in such an arrangment, how can I go about looking for ladies in Ukraine? Any tips please?

[QUOTE=It Travel]Here are the last Gia prices, now they have VIP Models
Here is the full price list.

We present GIA girls for you:
.....

It seems that the price goes up in summer... Recently a lot of new or re entered girls.. The price goes also on gound they speak or not English. Surely my favorites are the petite Zlata and Yana (VIP).

IT[/QUOTE]Hey guys, seeing and reading around I read about fake pictures. Is GIA to be trusted? Are the girls looking like they do on the pics?

I see some real beauties like Zlata and Yana and don't want a 100 kg woman knocking at my door saying she is Yana. Right? So please tell me for I am going to Kiev next week.

[QUOTE=Fg Fort]Hey guys, seeing and reading around I read about fake pictures. Is GIA to be trusted? Are the girls looking like they do on the pics?
[/QUOTE]


YES, Gia is a what you see is what you get agency, photos are real 100%, but, dont forget that are very professional pics ( studio ones), so may be the girl will not appear as glamurous as in the pic, but in any case the girl you will met is the one of the pic and are not old photos

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Anyone ever consider bringing back one of these vixens back to USA for a quid pro quo arrangement, you give me sex and in 2 or 3 years you get a green card?
[/QUOTE]

you can find in USA many russian and ukrainian pretty pros that will offer you exactly that to get the green card, but they ask you for fake marriage and will offer you 3 years of free sex

[QUOTE=Fg Fort]Hey guys, seeing and reading around I read about fake pictures. Is GIA to be trusted? Are the girls looking like they do on the pics?

I see some real beauties like Zlata and Yana and don't want a 100 kg woman knocking at my door saying she is Yana. Right? So please tell me for I am going to Kiev next week.[/QUOTE]


Gia is usually (I fucked some) exacly the girl in picture, of course with professional make-up, some photoshop, and a photo studio. Same if you see Cameron Diaz on a calendar or on Rodeo Drive...

The best of Gia is that the prices (not so low any more) are those, and the girls are doing exactly what written, if written BBBJ with CIM they will do it.

If I can find a problem is that Gia has always a staff of girls where anal is sometimes even completely absent! :( This for me is very bad.

In the other sites you often find clearly fake photos, but try with:

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/[/url]

There are hundreds of teens or older girls... of course all is a little bit naive but well working.

IT

[QUOTE=Black Bltjones]Alright. This place sure has loads of info. I'm in a state of info overkill right now. So let me sum up what I've learned reading all these posts - if I've got something wrong - don't hesitate to correct me or give me even better suggestions. I want this to be a good trip.

My plans when visiting Kiev for four days next week are as follows:

A: Get a chic from Gia to visit my hotel.
B: Get a Rakuena Massage done by three girls.
C: Visit River Palace and see what happens.

My thoughts.
A: Gia looks fine, but the models isn't exactly world class. I'll have a good time I'm sure, but maybe there's a place with women more stylish? A place where they show you real fotos. I don't speak a word Russian btw.

B: Three girls at a time. That sounds fucking awesome. Sad they don't fuck. Because they don't, right? Not even a little blowjob? Not a chance to make a date with them later in the evening? Can that be true? It sounds so unreal, but hey, what do I know.

C: I've been to Boarhouse in Moscow and that was a bit hectic. I would actually prefer af less crowded place and maybe even a place where you can do the fucking in booths, rooms or whatever available. A club, a stripjoint, maybe a topscale brothel (to they exist in Kiev?).

D: What did I miss?

Hope you have some comments or/and some good recommendations. I like slim not skinny girls and I like them titties to do some serious bouncing. So pls. no A or B for me.

All the best

Black Bltjones[/QUOTE]

Of course it depends if you speak some Russian, if you can read some, or even on which your tastes are…

In my opinion I would not go to Massage, bit concentrate in introducing fresh and hard meat in teens! Even with some CIM and maybe anal.

Of course RP is a choice, but there are lots of discos or agencies (see the Post daily in Kiev), most of them will provide a girl in your description for 300 USD/night.

There are also lot of internet sites, not like in Moscow, but… The matter is that all is more “naïve” than in Russia.

Of course you can look even in your hotel or discretely ask the security, they will always find a girl. A Disco-Brothel was Resttown but at the moment I do not know the situation and would be delighted if some reader write something.

Getting more closely:
A) Might that most of the GIA girls do BBBJ with CIM some even COF… although not so common.
B) If you are interested in Anal might that in my opinion it’s less common than in Russia.

C) On different internet chit chat sites I might find with use of translators and seeking English speaking five teen girls ready to fuck a night between 250 and 350 (all usually under 20).

D) In my opinion you miss normal bars, discos, etc, but this depends on how long you are staying, and how long you like “public preliminaries”.

I usually have lack of time and go directly to the pussy! ;)

If somebody can offer infos on Resttown (still open?) is welcome! Please mind also the adress!

It is or was (Resttown) just a disco bar wher you could pick up a girl get her in a room for one hour or two and get back to the bar to chose another...

IT

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Anyone ever consider bringing back one of these vixens back to USA for a quid pro quo arrangement, you give me sex and in 2 or 3 years you get a green card?

If I was interested in such an arrangment, how can I go about looking for ladies in Ukraine? Any tips please?[/QUOTE]Cool M - In my 6 years in UKR I have seen the attitudes of the ladies change immensely! They have been 'scammed' by guys so many times, from guys just writing and never traveling ALL THE WAY to meeting, come to USA on a K1 Visa - HAVE A LIVE IN SEX - MAID - COOK - for 90 days... then send her home without marriage!

They are wise to ALL this - the negative stories travel fast - and THEY won't just fall for 'any offer'!

But I am certain that YOU can find a willing one, but IT might take an awful lot of 'writing' - 'searching' - and rejection!

I think it might be worth a try to advertise in local language newspapers in the smaller cities, find a fresh - never before abused - young one!

Good Luck!

ps - You realize your talking marriage (if ya want them to be able to stay longer than 90 days)?

Sometimes I’m astonished by EE teens, particularly the Russian and Ukrainian.

I was just spending 4 hours in three days (four hours totally) in [url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/[/url] a dating Ukrainian site…

In Four hours I got the phone of eleven pros and two normal girls, all under 24, most under 20.

Seems incredible… the average for pros is 250/350. I found even a slim beautiful blondinka doing Anal and BBBJ (hopefully with CIM) for 250!

I’m very fortunate, In two weeks I’ll be there!

Happy hunting in the net.


IT

IT,

Consider you should be able to get an '8' off the web for $60/hr how much of a deal is $250 to $350 for a night? A deal for her I think.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]IT,

Consider you should be able to get an '8' off the web for $60/hr how much of a deal is $250 to $350 for a night? A deal for her I think.[/QUOTE]


Mhhh in Kiev I think you get a normal girl for 60, in my opinion a real 8 is around 80 then of course 250/350 are the asked prices, you have to contract a little...

In my opinion 250 a night (I mean real nights, 12 or 14 hours) for a real teen 18/19, even a 6 ore 7 a little bit naive and so is not toomuch.

IT

[QUOTE=Lifesavour]Cool M - In my 6 years in UKR I have seen the attitudes of the ladies change immensely! They have been 'scammed' by guys so many times, from guys just writing and never traveling ALL THE WAY to meeting, come to USA on a K1 Visa - HAVE A LIVE IN SEX - MAID - COOK - for 90 days... then send her home without marriage!

They are wise to ALL this - the negative stories travel fast - and THEY won't just fall for 'any offer'!

But I am certain that YOU can find a willing one, but IT might take an awful lot of 'writing' - 'searching' - and rejection!

I think it might be worth a try to advertise in local language newspapers in the smaller cities, find a fresh - never before abused - young one!

Good Luck!

ps - You realize your talking marriage (if ya want them to be able to stay longer than 90 days)?[/QUOTE]Thank you for the really great insight. It seems like it will be a challange, I was thinking of starting with some of the internets sites like bride.ru and maybe flirt.com.ua as mentioned in previous posts.

From a pragmatic/locig point of view, how willing are the UA vixens in getting into such Sponsored Weddings?

Thanks

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IT, I don't do 'normal' girls, not for free and I certainly wouldn't pay for it. But regardless of that, one of the members of this forum who is a lurker and is currently deep uncover in the Ukraine regularly gets 8's off of the internet for $60/hour. We've both spent a lot of time hunting together in Kiev and one memorable trip to Kharkov so I know our 1-10 scales jive together. Of course he speaks and write Russian well, which I am sure is a great help to him. I don’t do p4p via the internet, I prefer networking and the apartments.

I've seen 8's at $60 and $80/hr apartments and 8's at RP for $300/night. Internet girls should be the cheapest of all options, not the most expensive. I've seen $60/hr internet girls try to quote $300 - they just want to see how much of a foreigner you are, don't fall for it.

When a good monthly wage is $250/month, $250/night is too much.

Of course I don't see the point in having a p4p girl stay over the night. I feel after the initial session if she wants to stay she should have to pay me. ;) I've only had one experience in Kiev with this. It was two girls I had picked up from RP - $200 ($100 for each) one was a solid 8 and the other was a 7. They both had too much to drink at my place and we all ended up snoozing till 10am..ho hum...This was Feb 2005.


[QUOTE=It Travel]Mhhh in Kiev I think you get a normal girl for 60, in my opinion a real 8 is around 80 then of course 250/350 are the asked prices, you have to contract a little...

In my opinion 250 a night (I mean real nights, 12 or 14 hours) for a real teen 18/19, even a 6 ore 7 a little bit naive and so is not toomuch.

IT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]IT, I don't do 'normal' girls, not for free and I certainly wouldn't pay for it. But regardless of that, one of the members of this forum who is a lurker and is currently deep uncover in the Ukraine regularly gets 8's off of the internet for $60/hour. We've both spent a lot of time hunting together in Kiev and one memorable trip to Kharkov so I know our 1-10 scales jive together. Of course he speaks and write Russian well, which I am sure is a great help to him. I don’t do p4p via the internet, I prefer networking and the apartments.

I've seen 8's at $60 and $80/hr apartments and 8's at RP for $300/night. Internet girls should be the cheapest of all options, not the most expensive. I've seen $60/hr internet girls try to quote $300 - they just want to see how much of a foreigner you are, don't fall for it.

When a good monthly wage is $250/month, $250/night is too much.

Of course I don't see the point in having a p4p girl stay over the night. I feel after the initial session if she wants to stay she should have to pay me. ;) I've only had one experience in Kiev with this. It was two girls I had picked up from RP - $200 ($100 for each) one was a solid 8 and the other was a 7. They both had too much to drink at my place and we all ended up snoozing till 10am..ho hum...This was Feb 2005.[/QUOTE]


Dear Friend I also have experince in Kiev of girls offerng you all you want at 5 AM... for 80-90 USD. Usually it's because they have to pay the downpayment of ther Visa or Mastercard (belive me or not) It's not my business.

I do not know if you are aware of this simply economic rule. Montly salary (average) = a night with a good teen. It works, approx., everywhere (basic money asked).

By the way of course there are lots of 60/80/100 USD apartments, but even this is not my business. I want a girl, avaliable in all three holes, in my bed, for the night. It's all.

I know well what they say in Internet... on phone and in person it's another thing. You usually get laid for 200. I'm just travelling in this areas since 1982... where, really, with some gifts, you could get the maid in your bed every night!

But when I find a cutie, teen, offering full service, for overnights, and asking for 250, and agreeing to saty with me from 5 or 6 PM (aving some food) to 11 AM, why shall I try to pay 200? I can ansure you get much more out of them... If you treat them with respect, and mostly if you show up your passport...

Yes on ground of passports. My country for some special travellers issues 48 pages ones. My is just two years, and now I'm at page 28... show to the beauties, they will be impressed! By the way I do not need visa to Ukraine and have permanent to Russia.

Bye

IT


PS don't worry I'll not overpay, but I will pay them more than they wait so I get a good service. As in a bar or in a restaurant. Always tip BEFORE, after, you can just go and save your money. and MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S A TIP. ;)

Sorry one more thing. If you managed to get paid by a girl in RP (all Pro) you might start a new career as actor... ;)

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Anyone ever consider bringing back one of these vixens back to USA for a quid pro quo arrangement, you give me sex and in 2 or 3 years you get a green card?

If I was interested in such an arrangment, how can I go about looking for ladies in Ukraine? Any tips please?[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's possible, but I think very unlikely. Most of these girls are looking for the the quick buck. The fiance visa takes a lot of time and effort. The girls are going to assume you're lying and they're not going to wait for all this. I've been looking for a wife in Ukraine for a long time, visited many times, and even the good girls are very wary of foreign men. I've dated somewhere closer to 100 than 50 women that I would seriously have considered marrying, but they are just not serious about it and too afraid of what might happen. They've heard all the horror stories from their girlfriends I suppose. I still love Ukrainian women and have no intention of going through life celibate just because I can't find a good candidate for a wife, and aside from the commitment and honesty issues these girls are the best (at least for my taste). At any rate, any girl who would accept your offer would probably bolt at the first chance. There are even stories of girls here not lasting the 90 days, calling the police with false abuse charges, and manipulating the situation to remain in the US indefinitely. My opinion -- your best bet is to let what happens in Ukraine stay in Ukraine.

SR

[QUOTE=Srilm]I'm sure it's possible, but I think very unlikely. Most of these girls are looking for the the quick buck. The fiance visa takes a lot of time and effort. The girls are going to assume you're lying and they're not going to wait for all this. I've been looking for a wife in Ukraine for a long time, visited many times, and even the good girls are very wary of foreign men. I've dated somewhere closer to 100 than 50 women that I would seriously have considered marrying, but they are just not serious about it and too afraid of what might happen. They've heard all the horror stories from their girlfriends I suppose. I still love Ukrainian women and have no intention of going through life celibate just because I can't find a good candidate for a wife, and aside from the commitment and honesty issues these girls are the best (at least for my taste). At any rate, any girl who would accept your offer would probably bolt at the first chance. There are even stories of girls here not lasting the 90 days, calling the police with false abuse charges, and manipulating the situation to remain in the US indefinitely. My opinion -- your best bet is to let what happens in Ukraine stay in Ukraine.

SR[/QUOTE]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all

In my years I have met personally 4 guys (1 while I was in Iowa) and 3 here in Kiev that have married UKR girls! The 1st guy married an older 30 something Dentist and she became 'disenchanted' quickly with USA - she could not practice her profession.

The other 3, married young babes and in 3 years time were ALL divorced!

"Sorry honey... I have the GREEN card - chiao" !!

But at least one admitted - 'He had great sex during the time' !!

LS Guy

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all[/QUOTE]

1982? During the cold war, Kiev must have been a swinging place...

I must be dating the wrong girls in Kiev, I tend to date a bit more sophisticated ones. The only time they get excited is when they see my passport is when they see my age. I look a bit younger then my current mid 30's (cough cough....okay, late 30's)

I had a girl from RP pay for my lunch once does that count? ;)

Based on my experience (including my expat friends) $250-350 is a bit high. Especially for the less sophisticated girls you seem to be talking about.



[QUOTE=It Travel]

I know well what they say in Internet... on phone and in person it's another thing. You usually get laid for 200. I'm just travelling in this areas since 1982... where, really, with some gifts, you could get the maid in your bed every night!

But when I find a cutie, teen, offering full service, for overnights, and asking for 250, and agreeing to saty with me from 5 or 6 PM (aving some food) to 11 AM, why shall I try to pay 200? I can ansure you get much more out of them... If you treat them with respect, and mostly if you show up your passport...

Yes on ground of passports. My country for some special travellers issues 48 pages ones. My is just two years, and now I'm at page 28... show to the beauties, they will be impressed! By the way I do not need visa to Ukraine and have permanent to Russia.

Bye

IT


PS don't worry I'll not overpay, but I will pay them more than they wait so I get a good service. As in a bar or in a restaurant. Always tip BEFORE, after, you can just go and save your money. and MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S A TIP. ;)

Sorry one more thing. If you managed to get paid by a girl in RP (all Pro) you might start a new career as actor... ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lifesavour]In my years I have met personally 4 guys (1 while I was in Iowa) and 3 here in Kiev that have married UKR girls! The 1st guy married an older 30 something Dentist and she became 'disenchanted' quickly with USA - she could not practice her profession.

The other 3, married young babes and in 3 years time were ALL divorced!

"Sorry honey... I have the GREEN card - chiao" !!

But at least one admitted - 'He had great sex during the time' !!

LS Guy[/QUOTE]That's actually what I am anticipating. I am not really crazy enough to expect a full marriage. Right off the bat, I know they will take off when they get their greencard (as a matter of fact, I am hoping they will and this will be discussed beforehand). The good think I have going is I am not 50, I am good looking and I am pretty financially set. So this would be nothing more than a contract.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Dear All,

I am going to Kiev for 2 weeks start of October and would like to contact 2-3 girls to show me around (museums, night clubs, dinner) and for hot nights.

Can you please send me 2-3 girls, should be nice and with heart, fantastic in bed, but no professionals. Semi-professionals and amateurs are ok, should be 8-10s.

Please also explain to me what part of the telephone number for Ukraine I have to dial - I have tried to call Viktoria (recommended from the board) from Austria, (tel. number +38050 861 7176), but could not get though. Is the number only working in Ukraine and not if called abraod.

Thanks for your help, and I will post reports on my stay.

Best regards,

Alarich

[QUOTE=DiamondPassion]Dear members of InternationalSexGuide!

My name is Anton Samoilov, i'm manager of escort agency "Diamond Passion"
I want to refuse the post of "Kievmaster111"

Our agency have never fraud our clients. I think "Kievmaster111" is a creator of one scam agency who want to advertise his site in the future.

So to to proove my statements please read this correspondence with "Kievmaster111":[/QUOTE]Look this report in Ukraine General Info section from member Asiafun28:

Daimond Passion Escorts Kharkov

Hi all,

A quick report on my experience with Diamond Passion escorts.

I was browsing the web looking for some nice company for a trip I was taking to Bratislava and found Diamond Passion Escorts website.

It looked fantastic and the girls unreal so I contacted them by email to organise
a meeting with one of their girls.

I recieved a quick reply from the manager Anton Samilov (again by E-mail), he answered my questions promptly and the details I recieved about proposed flight
time etc were correct (I checked the flight times, airlines etc myself) so I was happy enough to send via western union the booking deposit and price of flights.

I made sure to confirm the details of my hotel and organised for a key to be left at reception the girl so she could wait for me if I was delayed.

I was really looking forward to the appointment as a nice (but expenive treat)

Also I checked several sites for reviews on this agency and they seemed very positive so I was fairly optimistic.

As It turns out my optimism proved unfoundded as the girls did not show up.
I mailed the agency and recieved a quick reply asking me to confirm that the model did not show up and then a mail saying they would check it out.

Since then the mails have been sparse the contact phone number I have is not connecting and the last mail from them promised to repay me or organise another meeting, after I stated that I would post my experience to every escort forum, agency review site and toplist on the web.

Maybe there was a genuine error or mistake by the agency and they are trying to correct that mistake, but far more likely at this stage is my money is long gone and someone in Ukraine/Russia is enjoying several hundred euros of
fine wine and food at my expense.

Yup I do feel like a complete idiot for sending the money, but when the penis
sees a woman it likes sense and reason go out the window.

So there it is my story of woe, I can post copies of my correspondance with the agency and Mr Anton if need be, but What I would really like is Mr Anton
Who I know is a member of this forum to post a response to this mail and explain why He and his agency have not resolved this problem (if they are a legit Agency).

I will gladly post a detailed report if the situation gets resolved

Anton knows who I am and the booking was for Elena in Bratislava for 12th Sept

KV,

Thanks for the alert and heads-up on Anton and his Agency. If he is a member of this forum (and posts to this board), then we should seek him out, and have Jackson ban him immediately.

Anton -- if you read this, why not stand up and be counted !

KV -- suggestion -- why not cut and paste your previous report to ALL the boards in "Europe" section alerting all other hobbyists of this scam agency.

It is bad enough that we have to deal with scam ladies, and now we have another rat in the pile.

Moral of the story, for the same investment, get yourself to River Palace, and like any retail store, take your pick off the shelf !

Good luck

Hi,

Just a quick post to confirm that the agency have contacted me and offered a solution to my situation.

Anton has explained the reasons behind the missed appointment and is willing to make ammends, so I am happy to give the agency a fair chance and will post a detailed review of the situation in due course.

Asiafun28

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all[/QUOTE]As for how they stay in the USA, it's the same as with any other illegal immigrant, and there is a vast network of Eastern European women here to help them out. They hide, lie, and manipulate the system when necessary. With numbers at least in the hundreds here in Memphis alone of illegal Mexican immigrants, one or two Ukrainian girls are going to be well below the radar. Tennessee even passed a law a few years ago that allowed illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses and the resulting lines at DMV were incredible.

The fiance visa is practically guaranteed. If you jump through all the hoops, it WILL be issued. However, it takes a few months, and any mistake on your part will restart the process. Unless the girl (or you) has a disqualifying trait (i.e. you're still legally married), there is no process for denying the fiance visa. Basically, you keep trying until you get it right. I have first-hand experience in this matter, and it's why there are so many law firms that advertise a 100% success rate with the visa. A friend at work did the marriage visa with a girl from Egypt. It was a quicker process than the fiance visa, but had the same hoops to jump through. He even did it without any legal help and after a few missed attempts he finally got it.

Personally, I know of three such foreign marriages to friends of mine, and all three are still married. All but one did the visa process without legal help. It does take time and dedication, but it works. One of the Russian girls was quite homely, but great wife material. The other was attractive, but older, with a kid. The Egyptian girl is young and hot, but the guy makes good money and is a seriously likable guy (a "great catch"). I guess the point of all this -- and to try to keep it on topic -- is don't be deceived by the fact that incredibly hot teens are willing to sleep with you or even be your girlfriend. Although you may have more options and be able to find a more desirable wife in Ukraine, this is only true within reason. A model-gorgeous 21 year old girl is not looking for a 50 year old, average-looking, not very socially connected man as a life mate.

I found [url]http://my.flirt.com.ua[/url] very interesting.

Someone thinks that 26 is the maximum age for girls… I have restricted it in this site, considering only Kiev, first to 25, and the to 21, now I’m just searching teens.

There are more than 1300 18teens and 1350 19teens ads… of course most of them will not get in bed with you!

My opinion on the site are:

Fake photos: very few.
Correct photos: you will never know if the girl coming matches with the one portrayed!

Maximum Sex: is one pf the favourite things they want to do, approx 25%

Age: usually low limits, but if you are foreigner usually they allow 5-10 years more, so it might happen that you get in bet with a 18 y.o. girl just coming home from school!

Approx 30% are for free just fun, then most are sponsorships, and just some pros.

In some days surfing, some hours and getting and sending messages, both English and Russian, I sent around 800 messages, got back 400 (I include also chit chat).

An I got telephone numbers of 40 fuckable girls. Some are pros. most naives.

For two I’m negotiating on duos weekends, with school mates (18-19) usually lesbian, in the “Russian” world lesbo is very chic (they will get their fresh and hard meat in any case… if their come to my apartment!).

I am still fascinated by EE women. Particularly those from former USRR. They are 18teen, seem that they play with dolls, and they will drain your balls!

In the pics section I post some of the 18-19 y.o girls… nearly all can be fukcable… for two or three Franklins a night. Where else you can find such beauty?

They seem (EE girls) designed for sex: mouths(for sucking), bodies (to be caressed), skin (soft as silk); pussy (to be licked… a teen has another taste!); how they like to be portrayed (as bitches) … etc.

In some parts of Photo gallery three reports of just 18teen and 19teen available on flirt.

Unfortunately, just five days, I think that five months would not be enough!

:(( :((


IT

Flirt.com.ua is the same as Love.mail.ru and at least dozen others using the same database. Navigation is very good, very easy to use when communicating with many girls!

But unfortunately only usuable, when you know the cyryllic alpahbet ... :-(

Alright, Gents.

Got back from sweet Kiev, What a ride. First day I called Elena at [url]www.rakuena.com[/url] for some erotic massage. She picked me up outside in the street and walked me in. The building looks like a crackhouse. I was afraid it was a scam and I would be ripped off. But no.

She took me to an apartment. Invited me in a asked me what I wanted. I chose the Rakuena massage with three girls. It was amazing. Three girls naked all over me for 610 uah for 1½ hour. I could choose from 8 hot girls who all were all very fuckable. Almost none from the homepage. Picked two blondes and a black haired chick with amazingly firm tits. Unfortunately no fucking but you're allowed to grope :-) and I did. Highly recommended.

Called Gia the next day. Diana was super helpful. Asked for a girl at my hotel at 19:30. Stayed at Rus. No trouble bringing girls before 23:00. At 19:35 the phone rang and I could pick her up at the elevator. Won't tell you her name. It breaks my heart thinking about all you dudes molesting her with your weird-ass desires :-) She was even more beautiful irl than on the homepage. Really relaxed and into the sex. Did an exellent blow job. Looks 8, tits 10, sex 10.

I'm going back that's for sure.

BBJ

[QUOTE=Black Bltjones]Alright, Gents.

Got back from sweet Kiev, What a ride. First day I called Elena at [url]www.rakuena.com[/url] for some erotic massage. She picked me up outside in the street and walked me in. The building looks like a crackhouse. I was afraid it was a scam and I would be ripped off. But no.

She took me to an apartment. Invited me in a asked me what I wanted. I chose the Rakuena massage with three girls. It was amazing. Three girls naked all over me for 610 uah for 1½ hour. I could choose from 8 hot girls who all were all very fuckable. Almost none from the homepage. Picked two blondes and a black haired chick with amazingly firm tits. Unfortunately no fucking but you're allowed to grope :-) and I did. Highly recommended.
[/QUOTE]

Sex is not allowed there, but nothing is impossible.

Call girl to your apartment for 2 hours or 6 hours, and treat her as your girl friend. Then, you could get real GFE. Much much better than Gia girls or RP girls. Most of them will DFK and oral sex without condom. Some of them CIM or real GFE sex.

If I go to Kiev, I call Rakuena girl almost every afternoon usually for 6 hours, sometimes 2 hours. I tried 9 girls. 7 of them did DFK, 5 of them did OWO, 1 girl did CIM, and 2 of them did sex. I cannot mention those girls name, but I can write names of two girls who didn't do anything. Don't try Karina and Natasha.

If you go to Kiev, try Rakuena girls afternoon. They close 11pm, and nice girls would be busy after 8pm. After evening, you can try Gia's (gauranteed service) or RP (best place to pick up stunners, but service is depends on girls and you).

Don't try other escort agencies because all of their photos are fake, and service is not guaranteed. Only Gia uses real photos and guaranteed service.

If you don't want escort agencies, go to River Palace. RP is still the best place in Kiev.

Have a fun, guys.

Can some one direct me to travel guides that offer "full" services? I've heard of such girls in the EE but just found one that advertised online,

[url]http://www.bad-russian-girls.com/w23i4889.htm[/url]

She looks good, but I was wondering if there were others out there that the board members could recommend, from experience is preferable.

Thanks

At last, I made my choice and gonna visit Kiev. Anybody help me? Stay in a hotel or an apartment. A friend suggested me to stay in Hotel Ukraine,but no idea. Please help me!

Best LUCK

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Kievman-- I am a Black American guy--would I have any problems if I were to visit Kiev or Odesa???[/QUOTE]Being Black, American and a non Russian speaker in the FSU is a death wish, assuming you don't attract the attention of the skin heads, which will either mug you or kill you on principle, your chances of finding a girl are going to be based solely on your money, because most freebies will avoid you on principle.

Considering you had to ask the question, I'm going to assume you only know enough about the FSU to get yourself hurt, and you should go to some where like Warsaw or Prague if you want to experience the EE; the FSU is not for amateurs, especially ones with your disposition. If you want to go some where where being black is advantageous, I would suggest South East Asia. You can still find Russian women there if that is what you are lookng for.

Do note tho' that this judgement is based on the general treatment of foreign exchange students from Africa in Moscow who can speak Russian, being an American and not speaking Russian will just make it a hell of a lot worse.

For those of you, who have never been to Kiev or who have not been here for a long time, a few information.

The Ukraine is a poor country, but do not forget - Kiev is not the Ukraine. You will find here more Bentleys than in London and more Ferraris than in Milan. Prices are getting higher and higher every day.

Examples:
When I arrived here a few months ago, the prices for a 100 square meters flat in a normal area was about 2000 USD per month. Now you have to pay a minimum of 3.500 USD. They only give you contracts for max. 12 months as they will even make that sum higher.

Food:
In general going out for dinner was cheap here. In the meanwhile we have reached western european levels and it is getting more and more expensive. Nevertheless, there are still areas where you can go to and have good food for a few euro.

Girls:
Why always going to places everybody knows? Ok, RP is ok, but... everyone knows that area so the prices are much higher than anywhere else. Sure, Arena is a nice place, but the girls there know that most so called tourists know these areas only and know what to ask for... Why not going to a normal bar or pub and look around there?

Transport:
Although taxi drivers have to switch on the taxameter, they will not do it. They will tell you a lot of nice stories about whatever. Insist on the taxameter or give him a maximum of 60% of the money he asks for. That is more than enough.

Shopping:
Forget it!

Salaries:
Still, most people earn almost nothing. A truck driver earns 350 hrv a month (about 50 euro), a waitress maybe 700 Hrv. Policemen have about 1.500 Hrv, teachers a bit less. People working for the government have about 2.000 Hrv, secretaries about 2.500 Hrv. So whatever they ask you for, it is much more than they earn. Expensive cars you will only find in the center of the town, in other areas you find old western cars or ladas.

Education:
Do not forget, everyone on the road has more university degrees than you might ever get!

Condomino

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ALLA (speaks good English):

1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10)

ELIZA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350,
8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

GALINA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20).

IRINA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.

Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url](20$), Lesbi(10$).

KATRINA (speaks good English):
1 hour $130, 2 hours $170, 3 hours $220, 4 hours $270, 6 hours $320,
8 hours $370, 10 hours $420, 12 hours $450, 1 day $550, 2 days $950,
3 days $1250.
Price including: BJ without condom, COB+CIM, classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

LIKA (speaks good English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10).

NIKA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10)

POLINA (speaks good English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation,massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), Lesbi ($10)

RUSLANA (speaks good English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350,
8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing,
striptease, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: Lesbi($10)

SVETA (no English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20).

TAMILA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $130, 2 hours $170, 3 hours $220, 4 hours $270, 6 hours $320,
8 hours $370, 10 hours $420, 12 hours $450, 1 day $550, 2 days $900,
3 days $1200.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage.

VIOLA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20)

YANA (speaks perfect English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350,
8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600, 2 days $1000,
3 days $1300.
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.

YULIA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10), COB+CIM($20), play with toys($10)

ZLATA (no English):
1 hour $110, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: BJ without condom($10)

* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meetings in the
center of Kiev (Kreschtik, Malaya Zhitomerskaya, Proreznaya,
Basseinaya, Lesi Ukrainki, Mikhailovskaya Streets ...)
1-2 hours rent $30
2-4 hours rent $30-$40
1 day rent $60-$100

[QUOTE=Hakan Demir]At last, I made my choice and gonna visit Kiev. Anybody help me? Stay in a hotel or an apartment. A friend suggested me to stay in Hotel Ukraine,but no idea. Please help me!

Best LUCK[/QUOTE]IMHO! (see Abbreviations) Even a small - Euro Renovated - studio is bigger than your hotel room, plus you have a kitchen, PLUS NO PROBLEMS BRINGING HOME ' LADIES ' ! $50 usd / night.

Need help? See me in the classified section!

[QUOTE=Condomino69]For those of you, who have never been to Kiev or who have not been here for a long time, a few information.

The Ukraine is a poor country, but do not forget - Kiev is not the Ukraine. You will find here more Bentleys than in London and more Ferraris than in Milan. Prices are getting higher and higher every day.

Examples:

Transport:
Although taxi drivers have to switch on the taxameter, they will not do it. They will tell you a lot of nice stories about whatever. Insist on the taxameter or give him a maximum of 60% of the money he asks for. That is more than enough.[/QUOTE]No, no, no man. Always, I repeat always just give your destination. Then ask "skolko" pronounced sholka (how much $) I live Poznaky metro area - other side of the river from center! 30 minute metro ride. Taxi is 28 Grivna at most! But always expect to pay at least 10 Grivna.

But - the best option - "have the pretty girl get ya the taxi" thats the best price!

Ls guy

finally i got to kiev.

i must say that the house i rented advertised on kiev-apartments.com.ua was even better than i thought... nice, clean, everything working, even a fast internet (from where i’m writing during a pause).

i was so pissed off by going up early, plane delays, etc. so i was not in my best shape! but the house is really worth the money you pay (150 usd)… the only two things which are not perfect are a little bit noise (from ul. baseina) and the internet connection, sometime speeding down or disconnecting… just to reconnect. minor problems.

here the link to the site and some photos of mine… of course you can even find half price, but for a nearly weekly sex tour… ;)

it

[url]http://kiev-apartments.com.ua/uk/apartments/2140/[/url]

for the evening (i was tired) i had an appointment with mystery tramp… but finally she had to go to her mother… so finally we decided for this evening.

so i got agin pissed off… i phoned [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], veronika, and some other beauties found: no one answering! even more pissed of!

finally i called gia, for zlata, i like petites and she is well under 160! unavaliable… so ok for viola… diana at gia was calling me back: sick! and proposed yulia: ok i said, i’m so horny so…

a real surprise.
[url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/yulia/[/url]
much better than in the pictures!

basic english! a very optimistic evaluation! but the rest! the tits are really good, and the light tanned skin is like silk.

she seems a little bit naïve and not really in to the business, but in bed…

i started to nail her in all the position then with her cow girl. with diana we agreed for bbbj and cim, so i decided to do something else. turnaround her, take off the condom and start titfucking her! really gooood!

the firs shot (since some days) came out and went directly on her face and in an eye (same as iriska in moscow). unfortunately she do not allows nude pics (she is even better than on the site!).

a lot of cuddling caressing kissing for some hours and then some sleep…

she seems really a teen met in a public garden. in the morning i was so horny so i started to fuck her again. at a point she was over me and massaging my chest with her tits and just riding me for something like 45 minutes. like heaven. in the last shot i decided again for titfucking so.. started again and when i went or cof she just put her hand on the eyes and opened the mouth! difficult to miss!

i will soon reserve her for my last nice, i like repeating good experiences.

today i have a date (another cumdump!) with the girl in pics, let’s see, and tonight already reserved the mystery tramp. for tomorrow be prepared for some pics!

it

Just yesterday a 4 x 20 mg box was priced at the apoteka at the 2nd floor of the central supermarket on K streat at 380 Grivnas. Single tablet is 100 Grivnas.

Brought 4 of course!

By the way I posted pictures here just for making comparison, when I'll have more I will just post them in the Photo Section... ;)

IT

[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Just the report of one of my friend in Kiev :
Innocent small Yulia became the senior prostitute that GIA wants to make a star of it at all costs. Evolution as well physical as psychological of Yara of her true name is impressive. Its discipline of hell led to her to a quasi religious devotion to her role of prostitute. become in the one year space the sweety of GIA, placed among the VIP without any particular reason (any Ukrainian catch randomly in the street is more beautiful and does love better). Her new label VIP is due to its exemplary devotion to the cause which takes it along to spy the other girls of GIA and to try to tear off with the customers of the consents as for relations with girls apart from the agency (thus Christina about which I speak in this post was recently transfered GIA following a relation with English of London). To test I suspected I acknowledged one of my extra relations arranges with an escort without giving name. During all the evening a true harassing so that I reveal the girl's name... with a disconcerting insolence and an insistence It is also charged to meet the other escorts of GIA in the street to take the money to them (GIA not having confidence which the girls trail with large sums). She is also charged to meet, interview and evaluate new recruits. The devotion of Yulia to her role of professional prostitute took along to an incredible physical transformation: she lost her weight then there! ! be careful the photographs do not reflect really reality. Between that that I met it y 15 month, nice, equiped with a natural charm, innocent, greedy of sex which likes the BBBJ and which rises to 5H of the morning for a blowjob and that of today, it is completely unrecognizable so much at the physical level, which on the levels mentality and services. Physically very very thin to die wanting to be sexy at all costs it became ugly and at all attracting. Its artificial bronzing until blackening the skin completely is pathetic... it thinks can that that be made sexier??.. The next morning I curtailed the 8 hours RDV I paid the totality of the amount all the same is 460 euros Twisted Evil.. Prostitute that that hurt when one can at this price treat to two signal models in Kiev. GIA sells it very expensive like rewarding it for its rendered services. to avoid![/QUOTE]


Frankly Vince I do not understand...

a) of course "artificial bronzing" the just use lamps, as every where... she is exier of course...
b) the price for 8 hour is approx half of the sum said... I paid less, much less for 12 hours, BBBJ and CIM. The Gia price list is well known.
c) she do not seem very very thin at all! Big tits (4°) and well bodied, slim, 170 approx, but not suely too slim...

It seems that your friend writing this has been with another girl... you see my pics? It's her.

IT

I think Vince make a mistake.

His report is about Eliza who was before Yulia.

May be.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Frankly Vince I do not understand...

a) of course "artificial bronzing" the just use lamps, as every where... she is exier of course...
b) the price for 8 hour is approx half of the sum said... I paid less, much less for 12 hours, BBBJ and CIM. The Gia price list is well known.
c) she do not seem very very thin at all! Big tits (4°) and well bodied, slim, 170 approx, but not suely too slim...

It seems that your friend writing this has been with another girl... you see my pics? It's her.

IT[/QUOTE]

Guys! You are talking about different girls!

The friend of Vince met Eliza, who were Yula (not Yulia) before at Gia website.
These are completely different girls, although, Vince, I think your friend is not right talking this about Eliza (Yula). I met Eliza just a month ago and I was very happy with her - she's the same friendly and lovely young lady as before although she has really lost in weight. So guys, don't mix up two different girls! ;)

I have been to Kiev 6 times for a couple of weeks each and went by car this summer ( from the Netherlands) : we parked the car in the centre . Came back 15 minutes later and the car was gone. Later on it appeared that the car was probably stolen by the police: when we paid 3000 euro there was
"a good chance" that we could get our car back. Later on it was confirmed by Consulate that probably the car was stolen by the police.

Always remember that this country in all respects drowns in corruption in every respect.

[QUOTE=Johnfits]I have been to Kiev 6 times for a couple of weeks each and went by car this summer ( from the Netherlands) : we parked the car in the centre . Came back 15 minutes later and the car was gone. Later on it appeared that the car was probably stolen by the police: when we paid 3000 euro there was
"a good chance" that we could get our car back. Later on it was confirmed by Consulate that probably the car was stolen by the police.

Always remember that this country in all respects drowns in corruption in every respect.[/QUOTE]15 minutes? Excuse me? HOW? Oh I know they had you followed from the border just waiting fopr you to stop and park! GET REAL!

What consulate? What proof!

LS Guy!

Ps - They ' towed ' it 'cuz ya parked wrong!

as usual when i’m travelling and planning something, i mean on my work, everything goes wrong… so instead of getting a girl or going to rakuena for a massage i ended up in and official lunch… :( but let’s get back to the girls.

the date: she asked me to phone her (on flirt) between 10.00 and 21.00. so i phoned 12.30… still sleeping, and she said she would be sleeping all the day… ok. in the mean time i got a call asking me to get to this official midday… she has my phone (ukrainian) but never showed off. a pity could be a good big tits fuck! see the pics.

in the evening i started phoning mystery tramp… at the second call she answered. she was sleeping (!). too tired for sex had been all night at rp (but yesterday she said she should go with the mother!). but she offered 2 hours for 200 usd… i declined.

i phoned viktoria (should perform a good anal). no answer. later on she will mail me with the new number. somebody stole her phone.

so i decided to phone [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (advised by ffmbud; irish lad; ballentine30; zebulon1; duke pro sex; and others): nobody answering… i was thinking to go to rp, and perhaps finding the mt, not to tired to go there…

danger nelia
then i decided to phone nelia. she assured the picture was right (seeming like a teen but 20) and got her to 300/night all inclusive (no anal) with a very unwilling voice. then she said you have to meet me in the street and give me the money… i know the subject… just disappearing with your money. so i decided to let it off.
danger nelia

so in the doubt, and it was already a little bit late i made my choice, first i will phone gia, and then go to rp. so i phoned and got viola (bbbj + cim) for the usual 12 hours. looking the pics on the pics site i was ready for a big photo session. but she did not want… she just has some acne, as usual when 18-19-20. but for the rest she is better in person than in pics.

coming in high heels, jeans, and how you se her clothed in the picture (the only one i managed to do).

a good experience, not exceptional. the best was a wake up call i got with a bbbj and cim. totally i cummed four times in her beautiful mouth… :d she showed some pain when fucking missionary with legs up (i mean introducing all i could). but my… fresh meat is absolutely ordinary. really tight!

she is perfect for several kind of sex with her slim “s” shaped body (front and profile!). perfect for a good grip in heavy doggy! a little bit naive and unskilled. but ok: you want a teen you get a teen!

by the way i like her tits much more in realty than how they are in photo. little 1st, perky nipples getting quickly hard! the right place where to park your mouth!

in complex a good experience, started bad, not finding girls! but viola could be a little cleaner!

next report: how i managed to get in bed with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] while mystery tramp was desperately in need for cock (i see it as cock she see $$$) and phoned me several times. simply incedible. :) :)

pics at: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=514037&postcount=405[/url]

it

Dear friends,

Who is the last in Kiev? . Please let me know if there are a place like is "Night Flight" in Moscow in Kiev or some Kasinos where the pro's and non-pros are walking around. Some estile and possible with lower prices.

Of course I will go to River Palace and writte some repport but I have heard that now it is not like before. I like those clubs you can see all the girls, speak and go bed with the one you like better than escort services. I can seak little Russian son language is not a problem.

Please if somebody has some new experience with some good clubs in Kiev I will appreciate. (in two weeks I am over there).

Well, some of my friends have made their experiences with taxi drivers. I have my own car so I do not care but.

Fully agree to the second part. A pretty girl can open a lot of doors.

[QUOTE=Lifesavour]No, no, no man. Always, I repeat always just give your destination. Then ask "skolko" pronounced sholka (how much $) I live Poznaky metro area - other side of the river from center! 30 minute metro ride. Taxi is 28 Grivna at most! But always expect to pay at least 10 Grivna.

But - the best option - "have the pretty girl get ya the taxi" thats the best price!

Ls guy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnfits]I have been to Kiev 6 times for a couple of weeks each and went by car this summer ( from the Netherlands) : we parked the car in the centre . Came back 15 minutes later and the car was gone. Later on it appeared that the car was probably stolen by the police: when we paid 3000 euro there was
"a good chance" that we could get our car back. Later on it was confirmed by Consulate that probably the car was stolen by the police.

Always remember that this country in all respects drowns in corruption in every respect.[/QUOTE]This summer I met a French man. He lost his car when he was in shopping just few minutes he was away and he had lost all his papers too.
I also met a germany how lost his car when he should visit a girlfrind.

IT: Enjoyed the stories and pics... keep it "coming"...

Cars: Cars get stolen all the time. A German friend of mine lost his BMW in Lvov while he stopped in for coffee. The police assume that the bandits had tracked him all the way from the Polish border because of his German plates. Doesn't mean it has to happen, but obviously it can and does.

LS: Skolko is pronounced "skolka" not "sholka"... or is it different in Ukrainian?

Taxis: Lately I rarely even arrange a price beforehand unless they ask. If you have experience, you can "guesstimate" the price based on time or distance. I usually pay less that way.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT: Enjoyed the stories and pics... keep it "coming"...
Taxis: Lately I rarely even arrange a price beforehand unless they ask. If you have experience, you can "guesstimate" the price based on time or distance. I usually pay less that way.[/QUOTE]They always ask!

I use same strategy as Doc below: Just pay what you think is reasonable. In fact if I go the same route several times, I try to pay a little less everytime; when the driver start complaning to much, then I know that I have reached the right level to pay....

HS

Short first-timer Kiev report.

Inet info is seriously out of date re: airport, customs and the like.
No problems, 15 minutes at immigration, customs not an issue.

Booked an apartment (sort of last minute, my plans had changed) from ukr-apartments.kiev.ua as they had the best decent apartment at a decent price. Very nice place on Lva. Tolstoho, zero complaints, $110/day and worth it IMHO.

Taxis: Well, what can I say?, found some good ones and some who I had to laugh at. They were just fishing for dumbsh*ts. I did find one really nice young guy, very reasonable prices, waited while we shopped/ate or whatever and was pathetically pleased with a small tip. Used him for three days... no problems.

City: Wonderful. For me the perfect mix of modern European with just a tad of soviet leftovers to make it interesting. I never, not once, feared for my safety, while I am not a tiny shrinking violet, IMHO you are as safe (or safer) in Kiev than any other European city.

Ladies: I was meeting my regular Ruskaya, so I could not sample the local talent (I feel 10,000 brickbats heading my way) but for someone who appreciates Slavic ladies, I must say, Kiev is something special. What a place. I will not be carrying coals to Newcastle next time, I assure you.

WG´s: As I was accompanied, no chance for any p4p, but hit the River Palace one evening with my GF and all I can say is, if you do not like what you see at the RP, then you will not be happy anywhere. Dozens of real stunners, possibly 7 "average" girls, and about 6 fricking supermodel types (including the catwalk-walk!) Anyone who likes CIS types will think they have died and gone to heaven, as a DXB type of guy, I can say that the "average" girls working RP would be total A-list types in DXB.

I found my crapulous-less-than-schoolboy Russian sufficient in almost every circumstance. I suggest that if you speak no Russian at all, that you consider getting some help in getting around.

Bottom line, very nice city, prices are reasonable, ladies are stunning.

I hate each and every one of you lucky SOB´s who live here. ;) I am so jealous.

Hate to dis-agree but I always use "skolka eta stoit" how much is it? But then again I'm still struggling with the English language after 50 years!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT: Enjoyed the stories and pics... keep it "coming"...

Cars: Cars get stolen all the time. A German friend of mine lost his BMW in Lvov while he stopped in for coffee. The police assume that the bandits had tracked him all the way from the Polish border because of his German plates. Doesn't mean it has to happen, but obviously it can and does.

LS: Skolko is pronounced "skolka" not "sholka"... or is it different in Ukrainian?

Taxis: Lately I rarely even arrange a price beforehand unless they ask. If you have experience, you can "guesstimate" the price based on time or distance. I usually pay less that way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT: Enjoyed the stories and pics... keep it "coming"...

Cars: Cars get stolen all the time. A German friend of mine lost his BMW in Lvov while he stopped in for coffee. The police assume that the bandits had tracked him all the way from the Polish border because of his German plates. Doesn't mean it has to happen, but obviously it can and does.

LS: Skolko is pronounced "skolka" not "sholka"... or is it different in Ukrainian?

Taxis: Lately I rarely even arrange a price beforehand unless they ask. If you have experience, you can "guesstimate" the price based on time or distance. I usually pay less that way.[/QUOTE]

Doc your consideration is always really appreciated! ;)

IT

after a day of working i had four alternatives:

a) trying to get the mt again
b) go to the rp
c) call in yulia from gia
d) getting viktoria for an anal date!

of course i took the last option. i was not happy with mt she was phoning me while i was fucking [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (but this will be another report).

i didn’t want to stay five nights with five girls not getting anal sex (my favourite)!

so i decided to get the 20 y.o. viktoria (see the pics). we had a quite long chit chat in russian. another poor “virgin” offering sponsorship for 250 usd a night (daytime is extra) and performing anal.

i called her on the new number i got (they stole the first telephone she said). nothing. i was writing her and suddenly she was on site ([url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url]) she gave me a third number (?). strange.

we agreed for a night with full anal and late up in the morning for 300 usd (so i could concentrate on fucking and different things in the evening and night, and on anal when i’m rock hard: in the morning! so she gets nailed anally in a proper way, for several hours in the morning, as i always do with valentina in moscow).

the date was set for 8.00 pm at my address. exactly at 8.00 she called. my russian is poor, but it is getting worse if the speak ukrainian slang… i understood she was down. and repeated the number, the floor and the “kvartira” (apartment) and said come!

after some minutes i realized she would start from home! ok i thought it will take half an hour. no problem!

at 9.00 i was really pissed off and thinking to go to rp or phoning gia for yulia.

but at 9.20, had decided in my head the last term would have been 9.30, she phoned. she said she was downstairs. i said come up! repeating the floor and the kvartira. no she wanted to be met on the street and i had to show up the money. i started to be even more pissed off!

i went down. nobody. after some seconds i saw a car with two “girls” parked fifteen meters away. decided immediately to walk to the bar on the street and take a look on the girls. two ugly 25-30 y.o. one just similar in the colour and the hair cut to viktoria… it could be a mistake? lets give the chance. on ground i was down in 30 seconds, they might doubt it was me they were searching for. so i went in to the bar. took a coffee and went back in front of my door as i was waiting somebody.

they were pointing at me from windows with cigarettes two or three times, then my phone (vibration only) was starting to ring. aaaah! here they are. so i got my own one and started calling and talking (just a play) and then went back to the bar sitting in front of their parked car. started with a beer. in the mean time (before and as i was phoning) three or four guys (alone) went out my door. good luck. they do not know who it is! one was standing in front of the door i saw later, but understood this on ground they where pointing him.

you can take your own consideration from this story.

finally i decided to take some other drinks and pass off.

if no anal, no girl! only this evening. i want to be fresh and full loaded (of cum) for next evening. i will meet again [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], for a superfuck. i met her the day before. i’ll write on her in one report.

i slept very well despite the cialis taken!

it

I'm surprised Viola didn't allow pictures; I visited Kiev in June and she was very happy to pose for still photos, both clothed and nude. She also let me film her sucking my cock. When you saw her recently, did she let you kiss her? I noticed that her list of services on the Gia site has changed recently to where she doesn't kiss.

I also saw Lika twice, although she went by Larissa then. During my first visit I asked if she liked girls, she smiled & said that she sometimes played with her roommate. The next day, Lika arrived at my flat after her classes, with her roommate, who was very beautiful. Cost me $100 for both of them for 90 mins.

IT ,

I didn’t get it, first she got your apartment number and floor number; she arrived than she left. After a while these girls and guys showed up in front of the building and she asked your apartment number again.

If she is connected with these guys, they should know your apartment number. Besides, you should give the main door code to the girl in at the first time.

Something smells fishy, as mongers we sometimes walk on thin ice. We are potential targets for small crimes and organ smuggling.


Be aware and be safe…

Big Bro:

I think the point is that IT didnt like the girls in the car and didnt want to pay up front on the street.

I wouldn't want to pay on the street either or take a girl much different than what was orderd, but do understand that girls often want money up front. They get ripped off often enough and when they do, they often have to pay from their own pocket (if working for agency/pimp etc.).

So IT, does that mean Vika is still a "virgin"? :)

Also looks like MT has adjusted her market price to reflect NKR... New Kiev Reality... place is as expensive as Moscow.

[QUOTE=Buckterp]I'm surprised Viola didn't allow pictures; I visited Kiev in June and she was very happy to pose for still photos, both clothed and nude. She also let me film her sucking my cock. When you saw her recently, did she let you kiss her? I noticed that her list of services on the Gia site has changed recently to where she doesn't kiss.

I also saw Lika twice, although she went by Larissa then. During my first visit I asked if she liked girls, she smiled & said that she sometimes played with her roommate. The next day, Lika arrived at my flat after her classes, with her roommate, who was very beautiful. Cost me $100 for both of them for 90 mins.[/QUOTE]

No she did not allow kiss, but BBBJ and CIM were OK! :)

I think that she is very shy on her acne....

IT

[quote=big bro aj]it ,

i didn’t get it, first she got your apartment number and floor number; she arrived than she left. after a while these girls and guys showed up in front of the building and she asked your apartment number again.

if she is connected with these guys, they should know your apartment number. besides, you should give the main door code to the girl in at the first time.

something smells fishy, as mongers we sometimes walk on thin ice. we are potential targets for small crimes and organ smuggling.


be aware and be safe…[/quote]


she did not get at my apt.

as doc says i'll never pay a girl in the car... we are not in the tockha in moscow with the "mamasan". it will be, 90% surely a rip-off! they will just start and go away then money is in the hands...

by the way the good thing is there is no door code here. a doormen is always on duty! :) so you are not a target! ;)

doc, if the girl was the same as in the pics, i should have taken the chance... but she was a ugly 30 or so. absolutely not the one in the pics (perhaps 10 or 15 years ago!). so i decided to go off. by the way pissed off with the attitude by telephone. i think you know the ugly "mandatory" tone when they are speaking. that is not for me!!! :(

i'm very happy now... [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] will be here in an hour :) it will be a fantasic night having my balls filled again!!!

it

[quote=doctor_skank]big bro:

i think the point is that it didnt like the girls in the car and didnt want to pay up front on the street.

i wouldn't want to pay on the street either or take a girl much different than what was orderd, but do understand that girls often want money up front. they get ripped off often enough and when they do, they often have to pay from their own pocket (if working for agency/pimp etc.).

so it, does that mean vika is still a "virgin"? :)

also looks like mt has adjusted her market price to reflect nkr... new kiev reality... place is as expensive as moscow.[/quote]


perhaps vika is still virgin in the ears!

by the way mt has been a big miss! :(

i hope she will get back the right way... if she would go as a good gfe and not with all this problems, she can make 5-6.000 usd a month, in kiev a fortune, where a worker get, usually, less the 200!

i do not understand. instead of giving some "service" they just get uglier and uglier. i will tell you how the "real ones" like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (a perfect name for her body :) :) ) make money. she is now on my database (300 usd), like valentina in moscow, and when i'm in kiev i'll turn to her! no hassle, no questions, just fuck bbj, cim and cof... no anal :(

it

[QUOTE=Discrete Client]Can some one direct me to travel guides that offer "full" services? I've heard of such girls in the EE but just found one that advertised online,

[url]http://www.bad-russian-girls.com/w23i4889.htm[/url]

She looks good, but I was wondering if there were others out there that the board members could recommend, from experience is preferable.

Thanks[/QUOTE]How do I contact you D.C.?

Ya know guys, all BS aside! All the 'advice', 'games', 'tricks', 'styles', 'attitudes', 'words/phrases', 'dress/clothes', 'mentality'...

It still just boils down to:

"ya spend a sh*t load of $$$ on this girl in realtion to her NORMAL DAILY LIFE"
So she wants your company (translated = $$$$$)

If you are over 40, YOU would never make an inch with out the CASH!!

"IT Travel' is so upfront about how much he spend$ - others here sound like the GIRLS come (cum) ONLY TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS 'Hein ASS'!

Goní bábki!

hi irish lad,

can you please provide [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s contact number or email address

omar

[quote=irish lad]hello ballentine30

this [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is the jennifer i refer to. she is a classy lady as you already know.

i gave her contact details to ffmbud who submitted a nice report before. this is the type of quality information sharing i would love to see more of. without doubt, jennifer would be at the top of the "alternatives" to gia.

il[/quote]

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]Ya know guys, all BS aside! All the 'advice', 'games', 'tricks', 'styles', 'attitudes', 'words/phrases', 'dress/clothes', 'mentality'...

It still just boils down to:

"ya spend a sh*t load of $$$ on this girl in realtion to her NORMAL DAILY LIFE"
So she wants your company (translated = $$$$$)

If you are over 40, YOU would never make an inch with out the CASH!!

"IT Travel' is so upfront about how much he spend$ - others here sound like the GIRLS come (cum) ONLY TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS 'Hein ASS'!

Goní bábki![/QUOTE]

LifeSavour:

Sorry mate, but it's NOT always about the money with EE girls. Money is definitely a TOOL you can use for many girls, but I (and many, many other members) have banged plenty of girls without spending much money on them, a couple of the girls even had significantly more money than me and probably more than 98% of ISG readers, i.e. millionaire's daughters. My money obviously didn't impress the pants off of them.

I really enjoy IT's posts as well and he is ALSO right in his methods.... spending cash cleverly can get you laid in EE for sure... but if freebies are your game, then you better BRING your own GAME with you and not just your wallet... you'll probably need both at one time or another... :)

I think strategies and tactics, mentality discussions etc. are very relevant if you want to pursue freebie sex in EE... and furthermore I really believe understanding Slavic mentality is very important to getting the most out of pro sex when you pay upfront for sex. Girls are girls.

As for age, I'm rapidly approaching 40 and still banging 18 year olds I meet in discos... that's the major reason EE is so great, it's like a fountain of youth... :)

[quote=omarbahar]hi irish lad,

can you please provide [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s contact number or email address

omar[/quote]omar,

you need private messaging!

The 'Show Me' state. Doc?

I would love to see it in action! The other 'guys' Ive had the pleasure of being out with over the last 4 years always seemed to spend the BIG BUCKS!

You must be a 'hunk' :) !

I always say: "talks cheap, $$$ buys Cognac!"

I still maintain that 95% of the time she is with ya cuz ya spend the cash!

Give me a shout if ya ever want to meet up!! ??

LS Guy

[quote=doctor_skank]lifesavour:

sorry mate, but it's not always about the money with ee girls. money is definitely a tool you can use for many girls, but i (and many, many other members) have banged plenty of girls without spending much money on them, a couple of the girls even had significantly more money than me and probably more than 98% of isg readers, i.e. millionaire's daughters. my money obviously didn't impress the pants off of them.

i really enjoy it's posts as well and he is also right in his methods.... spending cash cleverly can get you laid in ee for sure... but if freebies are your game, then you better bring your own game with you and not just your wallet... you'll probably need both at one time or another... :)

i think strategies and tactics, mentality discussions etc. are very relevant if you want to pursue freebie sex in ee... and furthermore i really believe understanding slavic mentality is very important to getting the most out of pro sex when you pay upfront for sex. girls are girls.

as for age, i'm rapidly approaching 40 and still banging 18 year olds i meet in discos... that's the major reason ee is so great, it's like a fountain of youth... :)[/quote]

dear doc

i agree completely with you, at most of the times!

by the way i do not go for freebies for some reasons:

a) i’m more close to 50 than to 40
b) usually my life (on ground of work) is so stressed that i can’t afford (i mean in forces) to go to clubs, discos and so on up to 2-3 am in the nights, i frankly prefer to go to bed.
c) instead of putting money on a freebie (dinner, entrance, some small gift etc.) i prefer to put a little bit more on a pro: she is doing what i wand, when i want!!!
d) i’m very fond of teens too (i think all here noticed here) and getting in bed with a ee teen is something different an getting with a 40 y.o. european or american!
e) paying them, usually with agreements, give you some king of warranty of what they are doing… (bbbj, cim etc.)
d) i do not want to be involved in any way…
e) if i should search for real dates i would go for 25-28 y.o. russian girls. usually in a need of a guy (if they do not have one) or of a better one (more wealthy, in a full comprehension of this word).
f) i know it might be very cynic but i consider these teens, or nearly so, which i’m going to bed with, just a tool for pleasure. the ones who are not considered so (at the moment just three: diana, valentina in moscow, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] in kiev) knows it. they get to dinner, and be treated as normal girls… most of the times my requests are not those normal for teens (freebies): anal, cof, etc.

upfront paying
in my opinion, but never experimented, this kind of paying (not at the tocka) is simply a rip-off. why should i pay a girl in a car, with the engine on, standing in the street? so they can just start and go away? will a normal foreigner keep the plate and loose a day in going to the police for 250 usd (when he was trying to buy sex)? of course not. so it seems a sure business.

in my opinion they do not have this kind of behaviour with russians.

i’ll get back soon.

it

LS:

Am always happy to meet ISG "commandos" for beers and girl hunting.... mostly in Moscow myself, but get to Ukraine as often as I can...

...as for looks, I am good-looking but no hunk. Obviously I do better in EE than in the US, although I can get laid anywhere. Still, there are many more opportunities in Russia/Ukraine than anywhere else I have ever been. As I just posted on the Moscow board, I still think Moscow is the easiest and best place for freebies, but plan on New York/London/Paris prices for everyday life.

IT:

I totally understand. If I am in a town and don't have the time or energy to chase freebies and uncertain options, I often go for pros. The joy of uncomplicated, raunchy sex has a special wonderful character of it's own.

There is no "contest" between freebie and pro sex, each has it's own challenge, charm, glory and satisfaction. A great pro is worth much more than you ever pay for her.

The attached photo is of a freebie in Moscow, I've posted other pics of her before. Absolute psycho, but hard to say no to her hard dancer body and mile-long legs.

Will be in Kiev from October 22-29th. Who wants to meet up with eachother for a beer or club hopping? Please let me know. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]LS:

Am always happy to meet ISG "commandos" for beers and girl hunting. Mostly in Moscow myself, but get to Ukraine as often as I can.

. As for looks, I am good-looking but no hunk. Obviously I do better in EE than in the US, although I can get laid anywhere. Still, there are many more opportunities in Russia/Ukraine than anywhere else I have ever been.[/QUOTE]What do you think of Bulgarian, Poland, Pragh and Hungary?

I find it a lot easier get laid in these contries. Many do speck English.

My problem when i in Ukraine is i do not speck Russian or Ukraine. That is really a big problem when you want meet girls from the street or when you call the a girl.

Milton:

Any of those places sounds great, but I am so tied up with work that I don't get out of Ukr and Rus as much as I'd like to...

Especially like skinny Bulgarians and big-titted Polish babes...

Ok guys, I know young UKR gals are great - shucks I live with a 25 yr old beauty! Small, sexy, sweet, cute, english, smart..... but once in awhile 'an old fart' or 'f'ing American Bastard' as my gal calls me NEEDS some mature pussy(OR ANY NEW STUFF)!

I love it when the 'live-in' 's papa comes to town... see he don't know WE live together - hell, I am older than he is - and with him being former KGB - well, she goes back to the old apartment and stays with the old girlfreinds! Which leaves me alone to ENTERTAIN!!

So I begin a 'shot-gun' writing campaign this morning!! I actually had 3 to choose from to meet! 20 yrs, 24 yrs & 39!!! I went for the sure thing!!!!

My correspondence:

Jmmmmm Ammmmm вчера в 11:39

Privet! Don't think I am a bad guy! I am nice!! I have no time for a relationship with ANY woman!! I just WANT one nice young lady to come to me once or twice a week for FUN! I will 'sponsor' - help with $$, anything YOU need!! I want only ONE!!! If this is not for YOU, please I need no comments, I am not hurting anyone, just DELETE ME! ps - only reply IF your are NICE!!!! :))

Bir'uchina! Ne dumajte, chto ya - plohoj paren'! YA horosh!! YA ne imeyu nikakogo vremeni dl'a otnoshenij s L'UBOJ zhenschinoj!! YA tol'ko HOCHU, chtoby odna horoshaya molodaya osoba pribyla ko mne neskol'ko raz nedel'a dl'a ZABAVY! YA budu 'sponsirovat'' - pomogayut s $$, chto - nibud', chto VY nuzhdayetes'!! YA hochu tol'ko ODIN!!! YEsli eto ne dl'a VAS, pozhalujsta ya ne nuzhdayus' ni v kakih kommentariyah, ya ne povrezhdayu nikogo, tol'ko UDAL'AYU MEN'A! postskriptum - tol'ko otvechayet, horoshi LI vash!!!!:))

I KNOW THE TRANSLATION SUCKED!!!! AND I AM A LIAR!!!!

Миледи вчера в 11:50
Привет!
Если у Вас будет желание встретиться, пришлите СМС 8 067 502 89 35, я Вам перезвоню. Я замужем, поэтому не всегда могу ответить на Ваш звонок.
Раиса.

(TRANSLATION: The milady yesterday at 11:50

Greetings!
If you will have a desire to meet, send СМС 8 MMM 5MM 8M 35, I shall call back to you. I married, therefore not always can answer your call.
zzzzzzz )

Jmmmmm AMMMMM вчера в 23:59
Ochen Horosho! I want more!!!!!!!!

She came by taxi to my apt around 21:00..... had one cup of tea.... sat with me and used computer to translate INFO for about 20 minutes.... then it was on the couch, getting naked, and the REST IS HISTORY!!!!!

Now, the best part is.... she is 'bi'! Has a girlfriend of 35 that she will bring next time!!!

DILEMA??? I want his 3 -some badly!!! Papa come to Kiev????

or..... tell the girlfriend about it all!!! And convince her she wants to try women???

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS - I'm not into photos... but I did want proof!! But being married she declined!!! maybe next time with ALL 3 or 4???????

Hello Lifesavour et al,

I am very happy for you! Will she be a regular?

I'm stuck in the sex prison more commonly known as Dublin until Thursday. I was going to arrange someone for you after your recent generosity in sending a few devs my way but you seem to be doing just fine.

I see you were using "singles.com" or one of the affiliates. I set up a few profiles for some guys I met in Kiev and it worked out well for them too. 1 got a photo shoot with a 10 and it turned in to a mammoth sex session.

See you for a beer soon enough after Thursday, I’ve a date as you already know lined up for that night with you know who.

BTW, the name’s “Irish Lad”. The “lad” part is slang for penis in Ireland.

On a general note I haven’t had much time for sampling the local pros but I always have time for some research so here goes:-

Arena beer bar has been improving its talent lately. Some of the girls are on a par with, if not better than RP so those who prefer an early night could always get a take-away from here. You’ll always find 10 to 12 girls sipping drinks here at the weekends from early evening and 8 to 10 girls during the week. The girls seem to rotate and most nights sees a few new girls come and go.

An interesting discussion has developed here about the psychology of Ukrainian women. Anyone with the wish to really understand the way to pull in Kiev would do well to copy, paste and bind most of Dr_Skanks reports. I am learning much from the insight and offer some of my own experiences to add to the body of knowledge.

At the end of a recent date with a girl that Lifesavour set up for me, I offered to pay for a taxi for her home or to bring her to my apartment for some great sex. She asked if most girls went home with me on the first date and I replied that “they all do” whereupon she broke in to a run back to my place. In any other city my reply would have been called over confidence but in Kiev, my reply was almost a command. If she has thought about having sex with you, as almost all will, then she won’t ask for sex, but rather wait for your demand. It’s normal for a man to want sex and it is in fact a compliment if you to want to have sex with her. Ukrainian women make the effort and want to be desired. We could at least return the favour and fuck them for being so beautiful.

On another date with 19 year old Katya, who barely speaks any English, she said she was looking to meet men who would spend some time with her talking first before fucking her. The fact that I can only speak 20 words of Russian didn’t seem to bother her. That I was willing to pay her some attention closed the deal.

I recently received a letter on singles from Natali who wanted to meet me so I gave her my number. She called me on a Sunday evening and as I can’t speak Russian, I got the staff in TGI Fridays to translate. She arrived 20 minutes later and as it was obvious we couldn’t communicate we went around to the internet café on Kreschatyk to use the computer translator. I asked what she was looking for and she replied to “practice English”. I said I was more in the “looking for sex" market and she replied that she knows that, but do I mind helping her with her English while we have sex? Does it get any better?

Although I should comment on the Odessa scene in the Odessa section I really can’t be bothered doing a 2nd report and anyway, everyone reads both sections I would guess………

Lads, lads, lads………….those fellow mongers who are visiting Odessa, buying drinks for the girls and not fucking them at the end of the night are really screwing it up for the rest of us. The girls in Odessa are experts at playing the game so for next season here’s my advice………if you’re not a 1st division player then you’re going to lose. You don’t have my sympathy either if you spend all night plowing them with drink in the hope that they’ll say “yes” after you’ve paid the bill. Bollix.

Here are the rules. Tell them at the start of the night that you’re looking for a good night, sex included, and that they’re welcome to stay or go. Don’t let them hijack your evening and your wallet.

IL

[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello Lifesavour et al,

I am very happy for you! Will she be a regular?
IL[/QUOTE]IL,

After we talked about her 35 yr old "bi girlfreind"! Then I showed her the "bi Redhead" you & I met in Arena! Well I am certain this will progress into LS Guy with 3 "bi's" going at IT!

And knowing how aggressive the Redhead is. I better stock up on popcorn, because you sometimes just sit back and watch the movie!

PS - Hey, just because I got lucky here doesn't mean you can't throw a bird my way?

Pps - Get this:

Jmmmm Ammmmm? 08:34: So what do you propose? We practice your english?

mmm? mmm? 08:32: No sex, ok?

mmmm? Jmmmm Ammmm 7? 2006? 09:58: Privet! Don't think I am a bad guy! I am nice! I have no time for a relationship with any woman! I just WANT one nice young lady to come to me once or twice a week for FUN! I will 'sponsor' - help with $$, anything you need!! I want only one! If this is not for YOU, please I need no comments, I am not hurting anyone, just delete me! ps - only reply If your are nice! :)

Some of these 20 year olds are just too sweet - NOT! One photo has her with a breast out? No Sex? Ha ha

Hello Fellow Members,

Thank you for all those wonderful reports. These will surely help during my trip to Kiev from 23 to 29 October.

Can someone PM me contact numbers based on good past experience? I will try Gia girls and those on other web sites as described in the forum, but a personal experience is a different thing and therefore this request. Also, I will be happy to meet any fellow member if he happens to be in Kiev during the week I will be.

Deon123

Hi!

I realize this may already be on the site, but I am having problems finding current info. This will be my first trip to Kiev. Normally, I am in Moscow and have stayed in both hotels and apartments. However, since I normally sponsor (living with girl) and I don't have a regular in Kiev, I am leaning towards a hotel. I am looking for something girl friend. For reference, when in Moscow I usually stay at either the National or Marriott Grand. Any suggestions about good girlfriendly hotels, or good apartments (safe, secure area, etc.) would be appreciated.

Hi everyone!

New report about internet site [url]http://www.intimkiev.com[/url] (this is not advertisement)

Few months ago there where a lot of girls on this site, but many of them were nothing more than fake, I checked a lot of them, and almost half of them were untruthly in all, but there were a lot of normal girls with 100% info and fotos... Recently I decided to take a girl from this site and notice that all of those fake girls are disappeared, I decided to phone girls on site and to elaborate their info, and I saw, that girls are too real to be the fake. I checked one of them with myself and was realy satisfacted.

I can make a conclusion that this site goes from quantity to quality, and this is realy makes me happy.

Good Luck!

When i visited Kiev some days ago, I had an appointment with Gia go get a session with Lika. I called when I arrived and was told that she had her period.... Why not tell this before I came?

But some minutes later it turned out that the period was over and she could come some hours later than agreed. But I had to check with the hotel security that they allowed visits of girls without passboard.

I belive that this is not my responsibility - Gia should handle stuff like that so I turned the offer down.

Then I found a taxi with a very flexible driver. We checked about 10 SW, picked one or two and rented a sauna for an hour or two. The normal rate for SW is 15 dollars for one person one hour.

Price:

Taxi many hours: $200
Two girls for two men 1-2 hours: 500
Sauna with pool/biljard++ rent: 150
Food, drinks, tip ++: 100
All together: $950 or about $200

Not for one girl you have never seen one hour in hotel, but for an orgy with two men and two girls that you have choosen between many and seen in advance.

The cheapest version is one girl and fuck in taxi: Total cost $50-$60.

Had 4 girls all together. Everyone with body 7+/10, attitude 9+/10.

Do not waste money on agents. Just find a taxi, say "girl and sauna" + agree on the price for the taxi - it is all you need to do. If you invite the taxidriver to the Orgy - you also get a friend that has interests in finding the best girls

i have to write a comprehensive report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], after two wonderful nights! :)

but now, i know i'll be back in ukraine, hand have even more (she told me i could even get... perhaps... her little rear entrance) wow! :d

let's see after all...

unfortunately no pics. :(

it

The girls in the site look great. But I dont speak Russian or Ukranian. Do you think some of them speak English?

Has anyone tried the girls from TOP-Models.com.ua there is a real Photo section, Just wondering if the service is any good or photos are as they say real.

Would appriciate some feed back from any of the members.

Also another site that looks good is Kievcityescort.com.

MR69

dear it,

i was planing to try victoria? are you saying avoid the meeting, i need an anal date, i love it as well. should i avoid here, she gave me here number as well.

mr69

[quote=it travel]after a day of working i had four alternatives:

a) trying to get the mt again
b) go to the rp
c) call in yulia from gia
d) getting viktoria for an anal date!

of course i took the last option. i was not happy with mt she was phoning me while i was fucking [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (but this will be another report).

i didn’t want to stay five nights with five girls not getting anal sex (my favourite)!

so i decided to get the 20 y.o. viktoria (see the pics). we had a quite long chit chat in russian. another poor “virgin” offering sponsorship for 250 usd a night (daytime is extra) and performing anal.

i called her on the new number i got (they stole the first telephone she said). nothing. i was writing her and suddenly she was on site ([url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url]) she gave me a third number (?). strange.

we agreed for a night with full anal and late up in the morning for 300 usd (so i could concentrate on fucking and different things in the evening and night, and on anal when i’m rock hard: in the morning! so she gets nailed anally in a proper way, for several hours in the morning, as i always do with valentina in moscow).

the date was set for 8.00 pm at my address. exactly at 8.00 she called. my russian is poor, but it is getting worse if the speak ukrainian slang… i understood she was down. and repeated the number, the floor and the “kvartira” (apartment) and said come!

after some minutes i realized she would start from home! ok i thought it will take half an hour. no problem!

at 9.00 i was really pissed off and thinking to go to rp or phoning gia for yulia.

but at 9.20, had decided in my head the last term would have been 9.30, she phoned. she said she was downstairs. i said come up! repeating the floor and the kvartira. no she wanted to be met on the street and i had to show up the money. i started to be even more pissed off!

i went down. nobody. after some seconds i saw a car with two “girls” parked fifteen meters away. decided immediately to walk to the bar on the street and take a look on the girls. two ugly 25-30 y.o. one just similar in the colour and the hair cut to viktoria… it could be a mistake? lets give the chance. on ground i was down in 30 seconds, they might doubt it was me they were searching for. so i went in to the bar. took a coffee and went back in front of my door as i was waiting somebody.

they were pointing at me from windows with cigarettes two or three times, then my phone (vibration only) was starting to ring. aaaah! here they are. so i got my own one and started calling and talking (just a play) and then went back to the bar sitting in front of their parked car. started with a beer. in the mean time (before and as i was phoning) three or four guys (alone) went out my door. good luck. they do not know who it is! one was standing in front of the door i saw later, but understood this on ground they where pointing him.

you can take your own consideration from this story.

finally i decided to take some other drinks and pass off.

if no anal, no girl! only this evening. i want to be fresh and full loaded (of cum) for next evening. i will meet again [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], for a superfuck. i met her the day before. i’ll write on her in one report.

i slept very well despite the cialis taken!

it[/quote]

[QUOTE=Meis365]When i visited Kiev some days ago, I had an appointment with Gia go get a session with Lika. I called when I arrived and was told that she had her period.... Why not tell this before I came?

But some minutes later it turned out that the period was over and she could come some hours later than agreed. But I had to check with the hotel security that they allowed visits of girls without passboard.

I belive that this is not my responsibility - Gia should handle stuff like that so I turned the offer down.

Then I found a taxi with a very flexible driver. We checked about 10 SW, picked one or two and rented a sauna for an hour or two. The normal rate for SW is 15 dollars for one person one hour.

Price:

Taxi many hours: $200
Two girls for two men 1-2 hours: 500
Sauna with pool/biljard++ rent: 150
Food, drinks, tip ++: 100
All together: $950 or about $200

Not for one girl you have never seen one hour in hotel, but for an orgy with two men and two girls that you have choosen between many and seen in advance.

The cheapest version is one girl and fuck in taxi: Total cost $50-$60.

Had 4 girls all together. Everyone with body 7+/10, attitude 9+/10.

Do not waste money on agents. Just find a taxi, say "girl and sauna" + agree on the price for the taxi - it is all you need to do. If you invite the taxidriver to the Orgy - you also get a friend that has interests in finding the best girls[/QUOTE]


I ask Doc's opinion and others... but this seems well over priced.

You can get a girl home (taxi included) and the standard tariff is 60 USD for the first hour and 40 USD for the second and so on... why going for 50/60 in a taxi for a quick fuck?

Two girls for two men 500 for 1-2 hours, seems ridicoulus... for 300-400 USD you have one girl for 12 or more hours doing what you want, by the way the standard tariff of GIA is 350.

I know you can get triplettes (next time) of young students for 600 (USD)!

It's all. I suppose there is a little bit confusion between UAH and USD and EUR, of course not the same (value, approx. of course: UAH 1, USD 5, EUR 6). For 1-2 hours and 500 USD you can get two of the most beutiful stunners in Night Flight in Moscow... Kiev is much much cheaper! Usually they go for 400-500 a night (one!), of course the ones at Night Flight!!

IT

PS Taxi frankly speaking for 70 UAH (11 €) you should be traveling anywhere in Kiev, not the airport, (20-40 UAH in the central and semi central area), for 200 USD you can hire a car with driver and interpreter (10 USD for the interpreter for 8 hours, 80 USD) and 120 USD for the car... (not a taxi, usually a Mercedes).

I think Meis wasn't bothering to seperate USD and the local currency.

I am assuming he meant to say the total cost was 950 UAH or 190 USD doesn't seem like a bad price for his little adventure.

[QUOTE=It Travel]

I know you can get triplettes of young students for 600 (USD)

[/QUOTE]

Can you please tell us how you get this?

For triplets, doublets, or even singlets.

Meis365

1. Hotels operate their own security. It is not Gia's responsibility to try and slip ladies through but yours as the hotel guest. Most of Gia's (and other agencies here) outcalls are to homes and not to hotels so if you do not want ladies to visit you in your hotel, then continue with SWs.

2. As for SWs, if you are home from Kiev I suggest you head to your doctor tomorrow and get an AIDS test as well as a test for every STD that your doctor can think of. Keep taking that test a few more times after that just to be certain.

There is a very good reason these SWs are SWs and not working in the bordellos around town, which is an easy job to get for ladies. It is the same reason SWs charge $15 and not $60 or $80 or $100 per hour. Most of these SWs are druggies and significant numbers are HIV infected.

If you like Russian or Ukrainian roulette, then by all means visit these ladies.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Can you please tell us how you get this?

For triplets, doublets, or even singlets.[/QUOTE]


Dear Ben just go on flirt in the right way!!!

It's all... I will tell you, by PM, the telephone number, just afer I hve been going a nine hole course!

IT

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I think Meis wasn't bothering to seperate USD and the local currency.

I am assuming he meant to say the total cost was 950 UAH or 190 USD doesn't seem like a bad price for his little adventure.[/QUOTE]Yes, sorry - I messed it up.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Meis365

1. Hotels operate their own security. It is not Gia's responsibility to try and slip ladies through but yours as the hotel guest. Most of Gia's (and other agencies here) outcalls are to homes and not to hotels so if you do not want ladies to visit you in your hotel, then continue with SWs.

2. As for SWs, if you are home from Kiev I suggest you head to your doctor tomorrow and get an AIDS test as well as a test for every STD that your doctor can think of. Keep taking that test a few more times after that just to be certain.

There is a very good reason these SWs are SWs and not working in the bordellos around town, which is an easy job to get for ladies. It is the same reason SWs charge $15 and not $60 or $80 or $100 per hour. Most of these SWs are druggies and significant numbers are HIV infected.

If you like Russian or Ukrainian roulette, then by all means visit these ladies.[/QUOTE]1. Yes I will do as you suggest - continue with SW

2. Yes we saw some junkies - but none of them we picked used drugs. HIV is always a risk - also with your girls (but less I guess). You also forget to mention that SW do not have to pay most of their money to agents.

[QUOTE=It Travel]I suppose there is a little bit confusion between UAH and USD and EUR, of course not the same (value, approx. of course: UAH 1, USD 5, EUR 6).[/QUOTE]
Well rather, 1 UAH = 0,2 USD = 0,16 EUR

[QUOTE]Also another site that looks good is Kievcityescort.com.[/quote]The girls on this site are charging a minimum of $300 per hour, has anyone checked out the quality face to face?

Thanks in advance to all those who will respond.

Will be in Kiev this week. Was there earlier (long time back) and a friend assisted me at that time. Didn't pay much attention at that time. I read the forum extensively, but still have some questions. I would appreciate if anybody can answer these.

1. Cash exchange: should I exchange the money at the airport or is there a better place in the city? If so, which one?

2. Planning on renting a mobile phone. Most of the providers are saying 20 cents per minute with Ukraine and more for the US. Is there an alternative or is it the best?

3. To go to river palace, how do I ask the taxi driver? when returning back print the apt. address and show it to him? Is this good enough? Any other tips on taxis?

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Well rather, 1 UAH = 0,2 USD = 0,16 EUR[/QUOTE]

I was meaning that 1 UAH is 1 UAH, 1 USD = 5 UAH, and 1 EUR = 6 UAH... it was a little to short :)

IT

1. Cash exchange: should I exchange the money at the airport or is there a better place in the city? If so, which one?

No, at airport exchange is bad,,so, change the money in Independence square or in kreschatik, but never in evening ( ratio is worst), you will find everywhere places to exchange money


3. To go to river palace, how do I ask the taxi driver? when returning back print the apt. address and show it to him? Is this good enough? Any other tips on taxis?

Just tell him River palace they all know what is and where is it.
To return, when u will arrive to apartment write the adress in cirilic and in latin characters,,and show it to driver or tell him the street and number.
But be sure that being tourist drivers will ask u 3 times more than normal price. As I suppose you will be in downtown, try not to pay more than 20 hrivnas for any trip in taxi

[QUOTE=Kris420]Thanks in advance to all those who will respond.

Will be in Kiev this week. Was there earlier (long time back) and a friend assisted me at that time. Didn't pay much attention at that time. I read the forum extensively, but still have some questions. I would appreciate if anybody can answer these.

1. Cash exchange: should I exchange the money at the airport or is there a better place in the city? If so, which one?

2. Planning on renting a mobile phone. Most of the providers are saying 20 cents per minute with Ukraine and more for the US. Is there an alternative or is it the best?

3. To go to river palace, how do I ask the taxi driver? when returning back print the apt. address and show it to him? Is this good enough? Any other tips on taxis?

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
Some more sugestions.

1. Exchange, it's everywhere... the best rates are at the central market (Bessarbski Rinok) at the end of the K. By the way if you use USD, remember, like in Russia, to bring new or nearly new notes (in any case with big faces!). Same fore Euros, try to avoid 200 and 500 notes.
ATM are safe and good if you use them located in banks! there is one on the K. fasade of the Rinok, took out a lot of times, no problems.
Never use airport changes, you usually loose 10%.

If somebody asks you UAH or USD or EUR, pay him (or her :) ) in what asked, otherwise you loos a lot in change.

2. It's cheap. on Kiev Star 25 minutes are approx 3 USD. In many places, by the way from the apartment renters you can usually rent a phone for 3 USD a day.

3. Of course you should get in dowtown Kiev, as said, for 20 UAH, and in the new city (other side of the river, for 40... but... when you are going to put hundreds there and hundreds on other places... you can afford 10 or 20 UAH more...
If the guy just ask incredible sums just go to another, there is no taxi queue!

IT

PS the river palace is just 30 meters from the Metro stop Dnipro... so you are free with any hassle and get there with 50 Kopeks!

Meis365

1. Please do continue with the SWs if that is your choice. It is not mine. Bottom feeders exist everywhere and somehow natural selection has a way of returning balance to things.

2. You seem to have an amazing ability to tell which SWs are junkies, which are not, SWs who have AIDS and those who do not, all in the space of a few seconds after meeting with them on the street. Do you have other such amazing talents as telling us the future? I guess that is why you don’t need to take any tests since you are immune to anything that these ladies may or will pass on to you.

3. You are naïve at best if you do not think SWs also have to pay for their location and their ability to operate on the street. They have to pay for that privilege here and in most places around the world. Each SW almost always has an "agent" or "pimp" a or "protector". He could be a boyfriend, a husband, the local militsia patrol or even her drug dealer. The ladies always pay someone no matter who they are or where they work, even SWs.

Anyone who pays $300/hr for a girl in Kiev should be flogged.

I can get that all day (8s and 9's) in NYC - Miami - Vegas or LA.

[QUOTE=Tremayne]The girls on this site are charging a minimum of $300 per hour, has anyone checked out the quality face to face?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Anyone who pays $300/hr for a girl in Kiev should be flogged.

I can get that all day (8s and 9's) in NYC - Miami - Vegas or LA.[/QUOTE]


The standard rate in Kiev for a beauty is 300 USD/12 hours!!!

Utherwise 60-80 for the first and 40-60 for following hours!

IT

PS for 300/hour, you can get an orgy with 3 or 4 teens!

[QUOTE=It Travel]The standard rate in Kiev for a beauty is 300 USD/12 hours!!!

Utherwise 60-80 for the first and 40-60 for following hours!

IT

PS for 300/hour, you can get an orgy with 3 or 4 teens![/QUOTE]Hi IT,

Been to Kiev recently and I'm giong again in a couple of months. Could you pass on some details on how I would get 3-4 teens activated in an orgy for 300 bucks or so?

Where do you meet up with the real gorgeous girls? Not 7 or 8 but 9 or 10 preferably?

Best regards,

Blackbltjones

Perhaps they're paying that rate TO BE flogged? :)

[QUOTE=Black Bltjones]Hi IT,

Been to Kiev recently and I'm giong again in a couple of months. Could you pass on some details on how I would get 3-4 teens activated in an orgy for 300 bucks or so?

Where do you meet up with the real gorgeous girls? Not 7 or 8 but 9 or 10 preferably?

Best regards,

Blackbltjones[/QUOTE]

Mate,

it's very simple at the RP or at agencies you find teens from 200 to 300 USD/night.

If you take 300 USD/hour when a standard rate is usually 60 obviously you can get 4 or 5 girls...

On flirt, now canceled, there was an "ad" on three teen, nice, good for beeing fucked, for 600 a night (all) because they are not from an agency, so they get left more money.

We were talking on 300 hour! Somebody paid a girl 300 hour in Kiev! For that sum in Russia or in Ukr you can get laid with the past year playmate! Or with some teens... you can choose! ;)

IT

IT,

When I was in Kiev, I had trouble with the language, and I didn't want to ask the hotel to provide an interpreter to help me get laid. Do you have any suggestions?

Coding Wizard.

I assume that the "trouble" that you have is that you don't know a word of Russian or Ukrainian.

Except for the ladies that would want to speak with you in English, unless you have someone along who speaks Russian and/or Ukrainian such as an interpreter or a friend, you are out of luck.

Basic advice for you and others who want to come here: Learn some Russian (at the least) so that you can feel comfortable, get around and have more opportunities with more ladies. Otherwise your possibilities are rather restricted.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Coding Wizard.

I assume that the "trouble" that you have is that you don't know a word of Russian or Ukrainian.

Except for the ladies that would want to speak with you in English, unless you have someone along who speaks Russian and/or Ukrainian such as an interpreter or a friend, you are out of luck.

Basic advice for you and others who want to come here: Learn some Russian (at the least) so that you can feel comfortable, get around and have more opportunities with more ladies. Otherwise your possibilities are rather restricted.[/QUOTE]This is my 2nd time to live in Kiev. Now since Oct - 2004! I speak NO russian other than a phrase or 2!! For instance:

I can ask for very cold beer LUBOYNIA OCHEN HOLODNA PIVO!

But I find it very easy to get around, meet, shop. I score some nice ladies too!

The only time I need real language help is with business dealings, then my perfect english speaking live in 'Beee itch' steps in.

So many DO speak english now, and most are just like the USA Dog:

'they understand english - just can't SPEAK'

LS Guy

I can second Uke Boy's statement... if you think you are doing great getting by with just English, you are still only tapping 10% of the market.


It is possible to get around anywhere with just English... even Cambodia or Bolivia for that matter... but you'll always be limiting yourself to the mercy of those who speak English... and in most parts of EE, it's less than you expect.

Hi peoples,

Who will be in Kiev for 1 of November? Who want can go out togheter.

Write in forum.

[QUOTE=Coding Wizard]IT,

When I was in Kiev, I had trouble with the language, and I didn't want to ask the hotel to provide an interpreter to help me get laid. Do you have any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

A) go to the River Palace Taxi maximum 40 grivnas or Metro Dinpro station;
B) go to the infamous Rest Town (they will take care of you); taxi perhaps 40-60...
C) Phone Gia (Diana Voronko speaks excellent English and is very friendly) the girls are too and all that is promised will be done, even more!
D) Use translators: look at web sites of independent girls, they usually answer with telephone and price with a standard form to any inquiry... Just look at a vocabulary and tell them: Ya Wizard, Ya Gostinitza (name of hotel), Ya hvartira dva tri scest (236); sex nochi (for the night) zena'? the price... they will answer 250-350 USD. And they will understand anything and come. If in 45 minutes you have no girl... just phone another... (it might be that you get even two! ;)
E) Most important! I do not rememebr who and where, but he was not finding "any" girl at RP... :( of course it was 4 am! Guys start early. Don't wait to the 5th or 6th beer to startto talk to a girl... you will get much more out of her or them if you get a duo or a triplette if you get them in bed (as I like) before 10 pm. You say you loose all the strips and the club life... Yes but I fuck all the night! :)

IT

PS if you are at a dead end and are in a hotel ask for KYiv Post, thre are usually 5/10 agency advertising, the girls might be young and naive, but fuuck like rabbits (found so the infamous Mystery Tramp)... it's around 300/night.

Security problems with the hotel... keep clear with 20USD/€ or 100 Grivans notes... one or two (maximum) can fix every problem...

Here are a few photos from a non-pro I met in Kiev a few years ago. She worked as an interpreter.

She took awhile to warm up, but once she did. Watch out!! She loved anal the best!

What is the present staus of Rest Town? This was a great place some years ago, then there were a lot of changes and it became far less attractive according to the reports. I haven't been there for years. Has anybody any idea of the present situation?

Does anyone have any knowledge of either Senator-Apartments (very expensive, but they look wonderful) or Sherborne House? Because of the website description I presume no problems with girl-friendiness at Sherborne, and I am guessing due to the price the Senator is the same. Does anyone have any knowledge of these places?

Thanks!

I will be traveling to Kiev and Odessa this Christmas for vacation and potential pleasures. I am slowly becoming better at speaking Russian, but only in limited phrases and general statements? I am considering purchase of an electronic translator as a back up? Have any of you had success with these, and can you recommend any specific brands?

spacibo bolshoi!

Tommasini

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I can second Uke Boy's statement... if you think you are doing great getting by with just English, you are still only tapping 10% of the market.

It is possible to get around anywhere with just English. Even Cambodia or Bolivia for that matter, but you'll always be limiting yourself to the mercy of those who speak English, and in most parts of EE, it's less than you expect.[/QUOTE]In some cities English can be enough if you are good looking, young or other thing which will made a girl interested.

[QUOTE=Buckterp]She took awhile to warm up, but once she did. Watch out!! She loved anal the best![/QUOTE]

Let us poor know where she is... and nex time post bigger pics!

IT

[QUOTE=Explorer69]What is the present staus of Rest Town? This was a great place some years ago, then there were a lot of changes and it became far less attractive according to the reports. I haven't been there for years. Has anybody any idea of the present situation?[/QUOTE]


Frankly speaking I have no idea, but in less than one month I will be in Kiev, so I hope I'll get the time (so many sponosred teens!) to get there once (once at RP too)... I will you all know.

IT

[QUOTE=Tommy 32]Does anyone have any knowledge of either Senator-Apartments (very expensive, but they look wonderful) or Sherborne House? Because of the website description I presume no problems with girl-friendiness at Sherborne, and I am guessing due to the price the Senator is the same. Does anyone have any knowledge of these places?

Thanks![/QUOTE]They are very nice! Front desk security, but no problem bringing in any one!

It is like your own big apt with daily maid service! Close to some nice places, 10 min walk to K st!

LS Guy

Do they have a web site?

Hi All,

I'm new at this forum and I'v been reading with great interest the valuable information provided here, specially from IT TRAVEL.

I'm planning to visit Kiev shorlty for business purpose and intend to try myself in the mongering scene. I think I have a quite good road map after reading your posts.

Nevertheless, I read somewhere that a lot of models displayed in the HERGRE ARCHIVE and MET-ART websites are from Ukraine. I was wondering if any of you have had the (tremendous) chance to get in touch with some of these beauties, and know if they are in the business and are reachable somehow through a specific agency. If so, any info or tip is welcome!

Bob

lapin-this is the report that was very useful for me. i will provide an update when i return in november.

[quote=goldfinger]apartment rentals - a good alternative to kyiv hotels
by paul miazga, kyiv post staff writer
feb 02 2006, 09:41

short-term apartment rentals continue be the accommodation of choice for guests to the ukrainian capital, and for good reason. hotels here tend to be either ridiculously expensive, or the service they offer is so bad, people figure they could do better if they just shopped around.

now while kyiv remains an expensive city in many respects - dining, the cost of flying in - these costs can be mitigated by arranging a night's stay in a local apartment. when compared with hotel room rates of $150 per night and up, a fully serviced apartment for $50 to $100 per night looks a whole lot more attractive.the post has therefore endeavored to provide its readers with the greatest number of options regarding short-term apartment rentals in kyiv, namely those online. while our list is not all-inclusive, we've weeded out rental agencies that either lack western sophistication, or that try to offer additional "adult" services.

senator apartments

[url]www.senator-apartments.com.ua[/url]

tel.: (8-044) 200-7755.

using experience gained in western europe and australia, ruslan oleksenko of senator apartments has created kyiv's first dedicated short-term rental apartment complex near the historic national opera theater, not far from the downtown.

as the city's only dedicated apartment rental complex, senator offers those looking to rent a range of options, from simple rooms to integrated office spaces with high-speed internet access, and even multi-bedroom apartments for families or wealthier guests - all housed in a remodeled late 19th-century building. the all-in-one building also allows senator to offer extended security measures and a variety of standard services, and it makes returning to rent with them easy, as the location never changes.

senator apartments are tastefully decorated, with not a hint of soviet design or any garish local furnishings. rates range from $120-$140 per night for their smallest rooms to $280 and beyond for their most deluxe, multi-room accommodations. to stay with senator, fill out the form on their easy-to-use web site, which also helps make staying with them a snap.

nai pickard daily rent

[url]www.naipickard.com/daily[/url]

tel.: 8-050-391-8639 (tanya kuzmenko).

nai pickard is part of a larger property investment and holding company run by long-time ex-pat terry pickard. his company fills another major segment of the apartment rental niche by offering a wide range of very affordable apartments all in the heart of the city and within easy walking distance of the nai pickard offices.

apartments in the nai pickard holding are modern, fully furnished, and can come with a variety of services not included in the rental cost, namely breakfast, laundry, all airport transfers and local transportation, guides, interpreters and a 24-hour support line.

rooms with nai pickard range in price from $60 for simple, one-room apartments with kitchenette to $220 for spacious, two-level suites with fireplace and jacuzzi.

the nai pickard web site is easy to use. to rent, simply click on the "contact us" link and fill in the form.



absolut

[url]www.hotelservice.kiev.ua[/url]

tel.: (8-044) 530-1310, 8-067-209-3264.

one of the easiest sites to use, the absolut hotel service offers an amazing variety of apartments across kyiv at various levels of comfort. while many lack somewhat in design, prices start from just $40 per day in the city center, and the web site is easy to use and well laid out. a list of services is also provided.



alserent

[url]www.alserent.kiev.ua[/url]

tel.: 491-6599, 8-039-200-1007.

another company with an excellent, well-designed web site and plenty of options for short-term guests to kyiv, the alserent apartment service offers places to stay in four different categories, ranging from one-room apartments with kitchenette for $50-$90 to two-room spots from just $60 and three-rooms for $90 and up. each apartment description on the web site includes distances to major tourist attractions and subway stations, as well as available appliances and more. a range of services, including guided tours and interpreters, is also provided.



apartment service

[url]www.accommodation.kiev.ua[/url]

tel.: 468-0757, 238-2223.

the apartment service web site shows an impressive group of apartments varying in price from $40 for "standard" rooms to upwards of $70 for "deluxe" variants. one such "deluxe" apartment, near the city's historic bessarabsky market, looks to be a real find for just $80 per night.

a useful aspect of the apartment service web site is its link to car rental services, which are far cheaper than those of the major car rental firms currently operating in the city. additionally, fees charged by apartment service for airport transfers and similar charges are among the lowest of all such agencies we considered.

other useful apartment rental web sites:

[url]www.best-apartments.com.ua[/url] the web site offers information on apartment rentals in english, french and spanish.

[url]www.kievlet.com[/url] this is one of the easiest-to-use and best apartment rental web sites serving kyiv.

[url]www.kievlodging.com[/url] testimonials on the site regarding this company provide evidence of good service.

[url]www.apartment.com.ua[/url] apartments offered by their owners, with an attractive and well-designed web site.

[url]www.kyivhotel-luxe.com[/url] a range of apartments are offered on this site, as well as a huge cottage outside the city.

[url]www.flat.com.ua[/url] some of the cheapest rates in the city are offered on this site.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Bob Malaga]Hi All,

I'm new at this forum and I'v been reading with great interest the valuable information provided here, specially from IT TRAVEL.

I'm planning to visit Kiev shorlty for business purpose and intend to try myself in the mongering scene. I think I have a quite good road map after reading your posts.

Nevertheless, I read somewhere that a lot of models displayed in the HERGRE ARCHIVE and MET-ART websites are from Ukraine. I was wondering if any of you have had the (tremendous) chance to get in touch with some of these beauties, and know if they are in the business and are reachable somehow through a specific agency. If so, any info or tip is welcome!

Bob[/QUOTE]


Thanks for acknowledging the help!

In my opinion, but I might be wrong, most models are not from Kiev (cheaper!!!). My self I had a Playboy model once… not bad even if she was published on the magazine three or four years before… Expensive, beautiful, nice, but worth 2 or 3 USD. A log in the bed….

I prefer devils, even if they are 5 or 6 in aspect…

I know the sites! (Hegre and so on). And some time I still dream about the two teen twins and their older sister… simply perfect for a triplet. A real dream.

But don’t worry in Kiev you can find lot’s of girl who could be there… go anywhere and don’t be cheap with the taxi (20/40 grivnas are not much money) If you get the right ones… I can particularly recommend the area around the Bessarabsky market… Lots of bars, sushi ones (you know all these girls love sushi!) and so on… just sit get make contacts and so on. Be proud with good clothes no snickers (by the way I do not own a pair)…

Got to RP and other locals, even try to get something out the taxi driver one two three, at last you will found the right one. Tip him will, ask for the cellular, and use always him…

On Internet most are fakes (of course Gia no, more expensive, but absolutely safe)… If you get up street or disco girls, unknown, and you are in trouble with valuables, just lock her passport in the safe (if you are at a luxury hotel), if you are not, in any case you have to bribe the security… they will check… If you are in a rented flat, just close the door, and close the key, when she is in the bathroom, in your luggage… Mine is nearly impossible to open!

PM me on the dates I’ll soon be in Kiev too for a week.

IT

PS My secret dream is getting good business percentage (I’m working on that) and starting something as a Hegre 2 part time business (like 10-15 weeks a year)… even if it is running with a cost of we can say 30.000 -50.000 € a year… (but nailing all the teen models…) :)

You letter and my comment put me on search….

I found it’s much easier to find such girls in Moscow than in Kiev… all wants to Moscow, and you will have a lot of choice…

Just today I made some agreements for my next trip to Moscow with a law student. Like a MET ART girl, blonde, medium tall (168) slim (48 kg)… 19 y.o. seeming 17! :D

Surely not a beauty but exactly what I was liking for and she loves black lingerie (she is white as china bone) and latex … (wow!)

Made an agreement for my usual Friday (afternoon) Monday (morning) weekend, so intead of starting for Moscow on Monday, I’ll do it on Friday… three nights, unlimited sex (no anal) at a bargain of 1.000 USD… a mere 785 € … having a warm teen in the bed for three days… I was very clear with her… most of the time will be spent making sex, eating and drinking… no disco!
It was OK she was happy… Let’s see if, as usual, she will start asking me a Western Union for 50 or 100 USD…

IT

This will be my first trip to Kiev. As I wrote earlier I usually do the sponsor route. This includes some nice cafes and a little shopping. Where are some good places that will impress the girls without being ripped off (ie tourist traps, padded bills, etc).? In Moscow, I normally take the girl to Tinkhoff for example. Any advice would be appreciated.

Mates,

somebody can suggest me a sure Anal girl in Kiev?

I got a lot of contacts and will be there at the end of November, but last time I failed to get proper anal sex (as you all know I still think that anal with a petite teen is still the best kind of sex you can do) :(

Somebody can advise me, links or PM are welcome... of course I would like to get tested girls! Some are on internet bu who knows? I already got another instead what was advertised!

Thanks

IT

When all friends here saw my desperate search for sure Anal service in Kiev I god a lot of PM’s with several numbers, prices and opinions (already nailed ones!).

Thanks to all. :) :)

IT

Here you have a 19teen in this taste (but black haired)... seeking guys up to 35...

I know.. I do not want polemics, but in the standard announcement of flirt there is a question of money for sex, and she just wrapped it... Meaning... I do not know. :D

Her site is (but to see or send messages you have to be registered)
[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/MaluwkaVitalina/[/url]

Only if you are from 180 cm! (not in cock of course)...

IT

PS I edited taking away the pics... but I leave the link. In my opinon a nice guy in the 30s gan easily get her to bed, but asi it was written before it's an opinion... I think I can post links? In any case as writen in another part her vital priorities are money and sex. This does not automatically mean she is a w*hore, but... if you have money it may that you get her to bed...

IT:

Where in her profile is there any reference to sex for money? As her reason for being on the site she lists:

* love
* regular sex with her partner
* marriage, creation of family

I am not trying to start another moral debate, but I just don't understand... What's your point in posting a link to her profile?

as some time mongering on flirt i understood somethings...

first it's and exceptional opportunity.

then when you do not see the standard form...

Материальная поддержка:
Не нуждаюсь в спонсоре и не хочу им быть

usually all the other girls are asking some kind of compensation...

one, not showing this, just today, was asking me (for a nice afternoon and night meeting...) as following... (she wrote)
"perfumes... [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] lempicka, cucci envi me, donatella versace "be delicious" Донна Каран (donna karan), chance..."
approx. 150 €...

others even wester union or trips to turkey!

not sponosrship, not anything.. something new: goods in exchange of service! i hope to know your opinion... (of course i'll buy them.. she is 19, 175, blonde and nice, for a nigth of sex why not?)


it


ps sorry if i'm miss understood... but... i'm still in the opinion she want some payment.

IT:

I agree that it's a great resource, mentioned here many times and you are doing a great job of utilizing it. I am sure your posts are really a valuable resource to those unfamiliar with these dating sites and sponsoring.

But I think posting the link is both misleading and an inaccurate portrayal.

Essentially, you are saying this girl is a who*e?

You mean this girl, who you linked to, told you she'd screw you for perfume?

I don't think so.

And even if she did, I still don't see the point of linking to her profile as if she's a who*e.

With that logic, I should now click on her link and now write to her and say "hi, I saw on some website that you will fuck me if I buy you dinner and give you Gucci perfume?"

Of course I am not going to do so, but somebody else just might.

My objection is not to giving girls whatever they want for sex, I just don't understand putting links to random girls on the net. And certainly don't understand posting random links to girls from dating sites you've never met and whom aren't prostitutes. If they are outright advertising for sex for money as some are, that's one thing.... but this girl obviously wasnt.

Doesn't make sense to me, but do as you please.

Hello all,

I usually frequent the Asian forums, but now I find myself coming to Kiev sometime in mid-November. Although I only skimmed the first few pages here, I do intend to dig deeper before asking any redundant questions.

My initial observation is that Kiev prices seem to be all over the map, tending to full European/American prices (SW aside). Coming from countries where A $50 gets you LT just about anywhere, I'm getting sticker shock. But no matter.

If anyone is in town this month, and is interested in joining up for a beer, please don't hesitate to PM me.

Sorry again Doc,

I think, unfortunately, all depends on my poor English. :(

So I want to be clear…

A) The site is a great thing! :)

B) In the Russia forum I posted some images of girls openly asking for money in exchange for sex.

C) Even if they do not “flag” that box (money for sex), they can flag “no money for sex”… meaning I’m not a w*hore… If they do not flag it… It’s not my problem… some, less beautiful than the girl here, are even naked, and when you PM them, you just get a telephone… And ad the third or fourth PM just an answer like 60 hour, or 250… ;)

D) By the way I did not writhe that THE girl in pics was doing something… I was writing that ONE girl… was asking a compensation in perfumes but not for “one” Gucci Perfume, but for several… so it is up to 150-200 €, plus dinner and something else, incredibly, the standard price in Kiev! :O

I’m not discussing on who is a w*hore and who is not… Too complicated for my stupid mind!

We can call it “sponsorship”, or whatever you want…

I was just talking on girls who get “compensation” for sexual favours, of course, for my English, compensation do not mean that they get a piece of paper where it’s written “This note is legal tender for all debts public and private”.

There are a lot of other systems to get paid or getting favours. I know lots of colleagues, young girls, getting promoted by going to bed with bosses… I do not know how you call it… Mind that I’m not talking on getting hired (it could be an extortion), They go to bed just for making a quicker career… And earning more money… I’m not speaking on those getting there, horizontally, for not being fired… That’s extortion!

I think I had even a real girl friend who was a w*hore! Sucking more on my Visa than on my cock… Bu fortunately I finally fired her. She was sucking better on the Visa in any case!

Of course this is just my opinion, some time, as happened, it might get in polemics, but mind that a girl (now I’m speaking on THAT girl) in Kiev says:

A) She is 19 and open to sexual relation up to 35;

B) Se do not flag that she is not seeking for money;

C) Show herself, covered, in very sexual positions

D) Openly says that her first interests are Business and Finance and wealthy live…

Of course I might be wrong, and she will turn around and be a nun next week… I do not think so.

Sorry for that

IT


PS Unfortunately I’m used to read very carefully, not here of course, what’s written, and some time, you really understand other things…

[QUOTE=Brandon88]Hello all,

I usually frequent the Asian forums, but now I find myself coming to Kiev sometime in mid-November. Although I only skimmed the first few pages here, I do intend to dig deeper before asking any redundant questions.

My initial observation is that Kiev prices seem to be all over the map, tending to full European/American prices (SW aside). Coming from countries where A $50 gets you LT just about anywhere, I'm getting sticker shock. But no matter.

If anyone is in town this month, and is interested in joining up for a beer, please don't hesitate to PM me.[/QUOTE]


Sorry Brandon...

But even if sometimes I'm disagreeing with Doc... you will get no LT in Kiev for 50 bucks, for sure... I think he can agree.

I think that the chaepest place I found in EE was in a little city in Tatarstan, East European Russia: 200 RUR / 8 USD, or so, per hour... meaning 80 or more LT.

I do not think that in Kiev you can get a resonable girl for less than 200... not even in the suburbs (they take the bus!). Perhaps far in the country you can get one for 100... but I'm not sure.

I ask for the opinion of Doc here... Pehaps you can get one for free... (but it will cost you more than 50 in any case!)

IT

Just returned from Kiev after a week of fun. After disappointed initially by two fake sites, I decided to stick to Gia based on my previous experience. I enjoyed the company of Katrina, Eliza, Irina and Yulia.Here is my report on each:

Katrina: Slim and nicely behaved girl. Speaks reasonably good English. Excellent BBBJ, all positions and overall good sex.

Eliza: Well educated and excellent English, good IQ. Excellent BBBJ;she likes doggy position. My only complain to her was that she is too thin(hardly 42 kg). She said she feels more active being thin.

Irina: Good body; very enthusiastic in sex play. Limited English. I had to act some times to make her understand. Very good in BBBJ and normal sex positions. The best part was that she allowed me to take pictures during the act and she took video on her mobile phone as well. Very cooperative.

Yulia: She is the most beautiful of all the Gia girls. Speks limited English, but is very friendly and caring. Excellent bust and smooth skin. BBBJ and sex were excellent. I would have repeated her but she was not available for the next 2 days, after my 2 hours session with her.

I would like to send pictures next time.

Deon123

IT, do you mean 200 USD or 200 Ukranian? I know I cannot enjoy the same level of economics as I can throughout Asia, but I had no idea Kiev is this high.

If you mean 200USD, it would appear that I'll be watching a lot of TV. lol!

You really should remove that link and pictures of the girl.

I do not know if it is board policy or not. But I think posting web pictures of a girl you never met is poor form to say the least.

In this case you are alluding to the girl being a prostitute and nothing in her personal ad gives that indication at all. You seem to think because she did not check off a box saying I am not a prostitute then she must be - huh.

Even if the ad was indeed a posting for a prostitute - you have never met that girl. Who is to say the girl posting the ad did not steal this other girls picture.

Simply said, if you have not met the girl in person do not post a picture.

Hey Brandon,

I should be in Kiev around the same time. Im new to the site, quite new to Kiev and reasonably new to mongering.

I do however know how to buy beer. I would be happy to meet up if our timings co-incide.

[QUOTE=Brandon88]IT, do you mean 200 USD or 200 Ukranian? I know I cannot enjoy the same level of economics as I can throughout Asia, but I had no idea Kiev is this high.

If you mean 200USD, it would appear that I'll be watching a lot of TV. lol![/QUOTE]


Of course it was 200... a standard price is between 200 USD and 200 € for anight, for a nice one between 300 USD to 300 € (typical gia tariff).

With 200 Grivnas you get a two pill box of Cialis ! Or a dinner for two in a so so place...

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]You really should remove that link and pictures of the girl.

I do not know if it is board policy or not. But I think posting web pictures of a girl you never met is poor form to say the least.

In this case you are alluding to the girl being a prostitute and nothing in her personal ad gives that indication at all. You seem to think because she did not check off a box saying I am not a prostitute then she must be - huh.

Even if the ad was indeed a posting for a prostitute - you have never met that girl. Who is to say the girl posting the ad did not steal this other girls picture.

Simply said, if you have not met the girl in person do not post a picture.[/QUOTE]


Ok I'll do it again, but in the other sectors, like Moscow, I posted girls same age, same condition, but expessly asking for money.

By the way there are a lot of pics from the sites here on the forums... What comments on the pics taken on the street? No comment? Why.

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]
With 200 Grivnas you get a two pill box of Cialis ! Or a dinner for two in a so so place...[/QUOTE]or a taxi at the River Palace ;)

[QUOTE=Sporadic]or a taxi at the River Palace ;)[/QUOTE]


If you are spaking at least five words of russian you will have to answer sorok (40) already overpriced...

Or even better go to the Metro, buj a plastic coin for 50 Kopeks, and get at Dnipro Station, 50 meters from RP...

IT

IT:

It seems to me that we fundamentally disagree on certain things.

Street scenes:
Posting pictures of girls from the street is questionable I agree, but nobody suggests in any way that these girls on the street are prostitutes. They are more or less harmless safari pictures... tourist pictures. If someone who knows any of these girls discovered those pictures, there is no way they could think that the girls in the picture were somehow involved in prostitution. No harm, no foul.

Dating sites:
Posting links to girls from dating sites whose profiles in NO way suggest that they are prostitutes and of girls that you've never even personally met is just silly. Moreover, if somebody who knows these girls did come across the link on this website, they might think this girl is a prostitute... your post certainly suggests it. It is quite simply unfair and as Cruiser D said, bad form.

I don't see your point in posting the link at all, what she listed in her profile was an absolute standard profile of a girl looking for a boyfriend or husband and hoping one day to live a good life. Your suggestion that her provocative posing makes her some sort of ***** sounds like something we hear out of Afghanistan or Algeria.

Your tone in the post suggests that you think all girls on those dating sites, essentially a cross section of Russian and Ukrainian girls, are all *****s. I genuinely feel sorry for those people with such a cynical outlook on life.

Sponsorship/advertised pros on websites:
Whether or not you want to post links to those girls that ARE advertised prostitutes from dating sites is up to you, but I personally think it's pretty silly and bad form to post pictures of girls you've neither met or fucked. In the OLD ISG/WSG, which I personally preferred to the new version, it was specifically forbidden to post any pics of girls you didn't personally fuck. Those rules were regrettably relaxed by admin, so feel free to post your fantasy pics.

Frankly, I much prefer your REAL action pictures from encounters you've actually had. That's excellent photojournalism in the spirit of ISG. Hope to see some more soon.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT:

It seems to me that we fundamentally disagree on certain things.

Street scenes:
Posting pictures of girls from the street is questionable I agree, but nobody suggests in any way that these girls on the street are prostitutes. They are more or less harmless safari pictures... tourist pictures. If someone who knows any of these girls discovered those pictures, there is no way they could think that the girls in the picture were somehow involved in prostitution. No harm, no foul.

Dating sites:
Posting links to girls from dating sites whose profiles in NO way suggest that they are prostitutes and of girls that you've never even personally met is just silly. Moreover, if somebody who knows these girls did come across the link on this website, they might think this girl is a prostitute... your post certainly suggests it. It is quite simply unfair and as Cruiser D said, bad form.

I don't see your point in posting the link at all, what she listed in her profile was an absolute standard profile of a girl looking for a boyfriend or husband and hoping one day to live a good life. Your suggestion that her provocative posing makes her some sort of ***** sounds like something we hear out of Afghanistan or Algeria.

Your tone in the post suggests that you think all girls on those dating sites, essentially a cross section of Russian and Ukrainian girls, are all *****s. I genuinely feel sorry for those people with such a cynical outlook on life.

Sponsorship/advertised pros on websites:
Whether or not you want to post links to those girls that ARE advertised prostitutes from dating sites is up to you, but I personally think it's pretty silly and bad form to post pictures of girls you've neither met or fucked. In the OLD ISG/WSG, which I personally preferred to the new version, it was specifically forbidden to post any pics of girls you didn't personally fuck. Those rules were regrettably relaxed by admin, so feel free to post your fantasy pics.

Frankly, I much prefer your REAL action pictures from encounters you've actually had. That's excellent photojournalism in the spirit of ISG. Hope to see some more soon.[/QUOTE]


Dear Doc,

I think we just have different opinions on this thing... Of course I think not that every girl on flirt, or whatever site is a w*hore...

If they openly ask for money or sponsor of course they, in some ways, are prostitues.

At the moment I contacted in Kiev and in Moscow approx. 350 names usually those for sponosr or so... but also some inticating nothing on the money side and searching for sex. Of course some did not even answer (in any case I was out of thir age target), but it's very funny how you get, after lot of discussions, money requests... some after 30/40 messages.

The ones (on flirt) with pink name and pink signed picture are w*hores.

But if you make a seach via "date" section, you will find a lot of girls dating for free, some for sex... usually the ask for money too...

But a lot of other are offering other things. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us!) a lot of people can't use this device because it's in Russian. As you see I posted only pro girl (four in Moscow section) and one in the "Hegre target" (accepting up to 35 y.o.). One guy here was asking just for that.

Perhaps I'm wrong as you say... but ok I'll try to limit...

My photo ambition, for beeing useful, is posting site picture of a girl, and my own ones (I did it some times, or I gave a link... Andressa in Brasil, Yulia in and Viola in Ukraine, Diana, Lada and Valentina in Russia, etc.)... But it's becoming more and more difficult to get girls photographed.

I can understand the ISG rules, only fucked girls....

But in my opinion, and it is the last, is that here we are discussing (and helping each other, thanks all for anal girls numbers in Kiev!) on getting sex. So I think we might post links, photos, or comments on sites on girls on ads etc. Pros of course... but also widely and opnly avaliable for sex.

Just an opinion of course, but it's every where here!

Hi Doc... as told I would like to meet and offer you at least a Beer! ;)

Sorry what do you mean with 101???

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]If you are spaking at least five words of russian you will have to answer sorok (40) already overpriced...

Or even better go to the Metro, buj a plastic coin for 50 Kopeks, and get at Dnipro Station, 50 meters from RP...

IT[/QUOTE]

It was a joke, or intended to be one.

101 refers to the introductory level courses at university in the US.

Hello all,

How do I get to Tartastan????

[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all,

How do I get to Tartastan????[/QUOTE]


It's quite simple... I do not know from Ukraine, but, the easiest way is to fly from Ukraine to DME Domodedovo (no flights at the moment) or SVO (but you have to change termainal, and it might waste a lot of time, and then to Kazan. Otherwise you can get night trains from Moscow... very comfortable... in first class.

You can also go between Kiev to Kazan by train, with stopover (few hours) and station (Kievskaya to Kazanskaya) change in Moscow... all in 25-29 hours.

Otherwise you can get this connection

Kiev (KBP) 14:30 Moscow (SVO) 17:25 Terminal 2 SU 184 TU154
Moscow (SVO) 19:55 Terminal 1 Kazan (KZN) 21:20 SU in coopertation with TATARSTAN -- U9373


IT

Of course Tatarstan is big so where do you need to go????

I was not Joking !!! ;;;)))

IT

[QUOTE=Sporadic]It was a joke, or intended to be one.

101 refers to the introductory level courses at university in the US.[/QUOTE]


Beeing EU I do not understand this jokes....

:))))))

IT

Like meaning I'm a newbye...

I would like to go to the Ukraine to get some Ukrainian action. But by reading here it seem that all of the acton is dead in this ocuntry. Can someboy help a newbie who would go to this Country. I have been to Cuba, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Mexico and Colombia. Where can one go to get action in this country? Is Kiev a good place to start? Where in Kiev? I am biligual in Spanish and English. I know very minimal Russian. Any help guys would be much appreciated.

El Cubanito

[QUOTE=It Travel]It's quite simple... [/QUOTE]

Lufthansa has direct flights to Kazan via Frankfurt.

;)

I know you guys are more into the hard stuff, but has any of you tried any of these massage parlors in Kiev:

[url]http://www.absara-massage.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.angel-mas.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.idzanami.com[/url]
[url]http://latina.rozvaga.com/contact.php?lang=&width=1024[/url]
[url]http://www.bagira.net.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.miledi.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.nata.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.paradise-kiev.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.thaimassage.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.angelina.in.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.gloria.net.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.bodymassageinkiev.narod.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.massage.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.izuminka.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.orhideya.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.rakuena.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.nega.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.massage.biz.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.body-massage.kiev.ua/[/url]

In appreciation of this very comprehensive and good list, would you mind sharing your comments FAST as I am flying in.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Lufthansa has direct flights to Kazan via Frankfurt.

;)[/QUOTE]


I know... I well know, usually they stop over in Samara... but Irish Lad was starting from Kiev....

IT

Hi,

I've tried angel massage (their site appears to be down at the moment) excellent and cheap but no sex, apartment in Gorky street if you want telephone no. pm me.

[QUOTE=Wallyally]I know you guys are more into the hard stuff, but has any of you tried any of these massage parlors in Kiev:

[url]http://www.absara-massage.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.angel-mas.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.idzanami.com[/url]
[url]http://latina.rozvaga.com/contact.php?lang=&width=1024[/url]
[url]http://www.bagira.net.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.miledi.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.nata.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.paradise-kiev.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.thaimassage.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.angelina.in.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.gloria.net.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.bodymassageinkiev.narod.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.massage.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.izuminka.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.orhideya.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.rakuena.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.nega.com.ua[/url]
[url]http://www.massage.biz.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.body-massage.kiev.ua/[/url]

In appreciation of this very comprehensive and good list, would you mind sharing your comments FAST as I am flying in.[/QUOTE]

Sevastopol1: I checked out their web site and all the girls there are naked. Did you try and invite them out? Did they at least finish with a "happy ending". Or was it simply a straight massage?

All in all, Kiev looks amazing to me, but very confusing even after RTFF.

If you don't read Russian there is an English language button on their page to toggle between the two languages, you can read all about the massages on offer!
Happy ending (lets just say it's the best £20 I've spent in a long time)?

[QUOTE=Forest]Sevastopol1: I checked out their web site and all the girls there are naked. Did you try and invite them out? Did they at least finish with a "happy ending". Or was it simply a straight massage?

All in all, Kiev looks amazing to me, but very confusing even after RTFF.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have an update when exactly RP will close and be replaced by a new boat? It was supposed to happen sometime next year.

I see a lot of guys posting the going rates for the girls in terms of US Dollars. Is that the currency the ladies prefer, or are you just converting the amount for the sake of easy discussion?

Also, my plan is to pursue this until 10pm and if I can't make that play, I'll head over to River Palace and "punt"...that sounds like a strategy that could play out. What do y’all think?

If so, I've been trying to cull this forum for leads on good places to seek non/semi-pro talent. Can anyone suggest some good afternoon/early evening hang-outs for hot young ladies (I'm thinking 20yrs old or so)?

[QUOTE=Latitude Cruz]I see a lot of guys posting the going rates for the girls in terms of US Dollars. Is that the currency the ladies prefer, or are you just converting the amount for the sake of easy discussion?

Also, my plan is to pursue this until 10pm and if I can't make that play, I'll head over to River Palace and "punt"...that sounds like a strategy that could play out. What do y’all think?

If so, I've been trying to cull this forum for leads on good places to seek non/semi-pro talent. Can anyone suggest some good afternoon/early evening hang-outs for hot young ladies (I'm thinking 20yrs old or so)?[/QUOTE]


Cruz, most clubs do not really get going until at least Midnight. So there is no rush to race off to River Palace. Some of the girls there don't even turn up until 0100 at least. At 2200 you will have a limited supply at RP.
You can usually organise to have a date and finish at about 2300 if you strikeout and then have a pre party drink and then go off to the club of your choice.

[QUOTE=Alphamale]Cruz, most clubs do not really get going until at least Midnight. So there is no rush to race off to River Palace. Some of the girls there don't even turn up until 0100 at least. At 2200 you will have a limited supply at RP.
You can usually organise to have a date and finish at about 2300 if you strikeout and then have a pre party drink and then go off to the club of your choice.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Alpha.
Where's good trolling for non-pro's?
And USD$ is preferred or local$?
Any better bets than RP?

LC

The construction of the new boat is going to take longer than estimated therefore the River Palace will continue in its present format for at least another year. There are a lot of new girls hanging out there at the moment, unfortunately most of them rank between 5 to 7's.






[QUOTE=Delgado]Does anyone have an update when exactly RP will close and be replaced by a new boat? It was supposed to happen sometime next year.[/QUOTE]

Part One: Shopping for Sex

It was the breast of times, in was the *****st of times, it was the age of womanizing, it was the age of foolishness, it was the Spring of hope, it was the Fall of 2007… okay, okay, I will just get on with my tale of chasing tail in two cities – Kyiv and Moscow!

This was a long overdue trip, which originally I had thought would occur about a year ago but was twice rescheduled. The downside of that was the many torturous months of anticipation. The upside was that I discovered the ISG forum in the interim, which provided me with essential information and guidance.

I had never been to Moscow before and to Kyiv only once, where because of various constraints on my behaviour (in addition to my complete naiveté), my exploits were limited to poking one moderately skanky hotel girl in thigh-high white leather boots. Oh, and staying up all night on the Odessa-Kyiv train trying to talk my way into the bed of the bar waitress, a strategy fatally flawed by the fact that she spoke no English and I spoke no Russian.

My report will mostly be of interest to other newbies like myself, with no Russian language skills and minimal “game”. For background info, I am 49, ten pounds overweight, medium everything, and on the budget-conscious side of the great wallet divide. It also applies more for those looking to combine pursuit of pleasure with a business trip, than those who can devote their time and attention exclusively to hunting native poon.

In fact, combining business and pleasure was one my underlying strategies. I reasoned that if I could find the right girl, I could “hire” her as my interpreter during the day, and find other uses for her talented tongue each night! This worked to a certain extent, but was not the incentive plan I hoped it would be.

My first stop was Kyiv, where I had long been in communication with lovely young Valeria, whom I recruited off a bridal web-site. She seemed willing to serve as my guide and translator for me during the day and speak the language of love at night. In fact, I had been in touch with her for almost a year, since my first expected trip, which is far too long for talking to these girls.

It erodes your credibility to spin it out for so long, like you are not really serious (and they get lots of arm-chair Romeos contacting them on the web) or (worse) that you are not in control of your own fate. At the same time, it takes at least a few weeks to get through to these girls and build up some level of interest. Many of them do not have daily access to computers and have lots of messages to wade through from dating sites, so it may take a while to establish yourself as a serious contender worthy of prompt response.

Anyway, I had Valeria lined up and was willing to spend all my (quite limited) time with her. I know many guys on here believe that variety is the spice of life, and I do not disagree, but I wanted a sure thing and also preferred to get laid morning, noon and night this way, rather than spending all my time out hunting, and maybe coming home empty-handed. I was also able to use Valeria to find me an apartment and coordinate some meetings and meet me at the airport. She was not as reliable as I would have liked, but ultimately she did come through for me – in every way!

She met me at the airport and was almost as cute as pictured. She is 22, petite, brunette with a innocent/sexy face and low-riding tight jeans. She had arranged for the apartment agent to provide the airport transfer, which is a really good way of doing it, and took me to our apartment, a huge two-bedroom place ($150) just below the Maidan. The building and lobby were crappy, but the apartment itself was pretty good, as these things go, and the location was convenient.

In the early days I had made it quite clear to Valeria that I was there to mix business and pleasure, but we had never come to any precise arrangement. I was assuming that in addition to the straight business interpreter fee ($50 per day) I would pay her something additional each night (maybe a similar amount), plus wining and dining and some shopping (there had been specific mention of shoe-shopping). But our more recent emails had not been very romantic, so I was a little unclear on where we stood and what she was expecting from me. So I was pleasantly surprised when she stood in the middle of the apartment and said that she was mine for the next few days and what did I want to do?

Well, I wanted to eat and to lay in some supplies. So we postponed pleasure for a few more hours of business and picked up some wine and some things for breakfast – always a good sign. She took me to her favourite restaurant (“Swing” - a really nice place) and we came back to “our apartment” for après supper treats!

With a fair bit of wine inside her and very little prompting, she revealed that what she really wanted was:
a) to be tied up and forcibly taken
b) to play virginal/naughty school girl
c) to pretend to be a cheap slutty hooker who would do ANYTHING for $20
d) to join me in a threesome with a big-breasted blonde!

This conversation of course is all taking place in bed as I fuck her, so I am figuring this is a pretty good date so far, by my standards. I mean, what’s not to like? Okay, so I am not into bondage, but the rest of the list I a willing to help her out with! She asks what my fantasies are and all I can add is fucking a cute 22 year-old, which I am doing at that very moment! Remembering Dr. Skank’s sage advice, I finish up having her give me a BBBJ CIM, to establish her place in the food chain.

While this sounds like heaven, and much of it is, there is a downside – tiny tits. This girl has the flattest chest I have ever seen on anyone past puberty. She is really cute and sexy, and a nice body and great legs but these tiny tits. Frankly this makes it hard for me to get the heart really pumping. The upside is that pretending her tits are fine and tasty and playing with them really drives her wild!

The other problem is that we have had too much to drink. This was great while it was fuelling the fantasy discussion, but not quite as good when it comes to going a second round, or to getting a decent night’s sleep. And then in the morning she was too hung over for fun and had to go home to mother to sleep it off and get some medicine. I tried to get the Jacuzzi going, but to no avail – another good lesson – just because an apartment is equipped with something, does not mean it works.

That evening is shopping time. We start out looking for a school-girl skirt, but end up getting a more practical (but still sexy) outfit. So this turns out to be the deal – shopping for sex. That’s what she gets out of the relationship – shopping – and in exchange I get sex. This is okay with me, because I like the idea of a quasi-girlfriend experience more than straight P4P.

The only problem is, this is a bit too much like a real girlfriend experience. I mean, in my experience, girlfriends are not all sexy lingerie and good-morning blow-jobs. The same is true with Valeria – she is moody and wants to sleep when I want to play and so on. She is not as clingy and demonstrative in her affection as I hoped she would be, nor as appreciative of the things I buy her, as she should be.

The next day I had to go out of town all day on a business trip and she refused to join me, because of the danger. Okay, going to Chernobyl is not everyone’s idea of a fun date. Still, this really pissed me off, because one of the reasons I wanted to use her as my interpreter in the first place, was because she has an academic background that would be useful in my work, and justifies me hiring her over any other girl and even bringing her along on trips to other cities. I had envisioned her keeping me warm in remote places or on long train rides to inspect facilities. Now the first time I ask her to join me on one of these trips she chickens out. This does not bode well. Even in FSU countries, young and nubile nuclear physicist fuck-bunnies are not a dime a dozen!

That evening we played “cheap hooker”, but without the benefit of alcohol to lubricate things it was not as wildly exciting as it should have been. Still, spanking her while she sucked me vigorously was a new and enriching experience for me! We never did get shoe-shopping so I gave her some shoe money, which actually made her a moderately expensive hooker.

The next day is another business meeting, this time with Valeria along as my official interpreter, and she does a good job of it and I think is beginning to feel comfortable in this role. Then it’s off to the airport and farewell kisses.

So overall, Valeria was a bit of a disappointment. She was cute and sexy and compliant and has some great fantasies I would like to take advantage of, but with her little tits and lack of real enthusiasm, I am not sure she is worthwhile. And the cost-benefit analysis is not where I would like it to come out – I probably could have had better sex for less money if I had simply called up GIA every night. Also, I never did get to River Palace, which I wanted to experience!

Still, I may continue to use her for business purposes, but next time I will not plan on using her as my main fuck-bunny. However, the idea of bringing her along to help me troll for a big-breasted blonde has a lot of appeal…

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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]So this turns out to be the deal – shopping for sex. That’s what she gets out of the relationship – shopping – and in exchange I get sex. This is okay with me, because I like the idea of a quasi-girlfriend experience more than straight P4P.

The only problem is, this is a bit too much like a real girlfriend experience. I mean, in my experience, girlfriends are not all sexy lingerie and good-morning blow-jobs. The same is true with Valeria – she is moody and wants to sleep when I want to play and so on. She is not as clingy and demonstrative in her affection as I hoped she would be, nor as appreciative of the things I buy her, as she should be.[/QUOTE]A true GFE, indeed:D

GT,

A very enjoyable read; I like your reporting style. Sounds like a nice time was had by all...

Regards, Havanaman

Mur would also like to register his enjoyment of your tale...

Very enjoyable read - I think most guys want a tour guide of that sort, because that's what I always look for when I visit a new place.

Where's part two, my friend? :)

part two: drunken dyevs in the hungry duck

[this is no longer about kyiv, but all part of the same story, so i hope you don't mind it appearing here]

for the moscow portion of my trip i tried to find another girl like valeria, my kyiv cutie, who would be both my interpreter and girlfriend, but to no avail. a couple of nibbles but no bites.

i also tried targeting girls who lived outside of moscow, with intent to lure them into the big city. this might seem like “bringing coal to newcastle” but my theory was that the market in moscow was over-developed and country girls might be more enticed by the opportunity to meet a western guy, or make some money, or at least get a big-city adventure out of the deal. plus, once they are in town, they have to stay with you! nice theory, but again no results. i had several responses, but one by one they mostly turned out to be scammers. once it was clear i was not sending any money in advance, only cod, they tended to fade away.

so i arrived in moscow with no firm arrangements in place, just a couple of proposed dinner dates. this was fine with me, because my kyiv visit was confined to one girl, and i was happy to have more freedom on this second leg.

i used [url]www.expresstorussia.com[/url] to book an apartment, get my letter of invitation and airport transfers. aside from some communications problems this seems to be a good outfit. although there were some nervous moments, everything happened as promised. i booked into an apartment off pushkin square, which proved to be a really good move. the apartment itself was so-so ($150), but a great location about a 2 minute walk from night flight! i think they have much better apartments in the same area, but these were not available the nights i was there.

i arrived on halloween, so i was hopeful there would be some action in the city, despite it being a tuesday night. having noted the dearth of reports about the hungry duck, i decided to take one for the team and visit that venerable establishment, because i heard the tuesday nights they let the dyevs in for two hours of free drinks before unleashing the men on them. so i rolled into the duck at about midnight. i don’t know if they had done the “drinks for dyevs” thing or not, but it was pretty quiet when i got there. i was vastly over-dressed and felt quite out of place. a few dozen people rep001tered around, most of them women, but not much action. there were a couple of good looking girls, but the others were pretty pathetic. still, several were up on the bar dancing, trying to work themselves up to a state of excitement and it looked like if i stayed long enough eventually some of them would do something exciting. i was approached by one girl who clearly wanted to party, but i did not travel 5000 miles to party with ugly girls. then her friend came over, who was a slightly better looking blonde and at least spoke a few words of english, and she wanted to dance and drink also. i suppose i should have bought them drinks and seen what depraved things they would do, but i was afraid the ugly one might take off her clothes and i did not want to start my moscow sojourn on a low note. so after brushing them off, i hung around for a while, then headed for the street, only to be assaulted by the same two girls outside – my last chance for ugly, drunken dyevs from the hungry duck! i passed.

i went back to the apartment and tried some phone numbers from red club ads, but with no success. many of the numbers did not work and the ones where i did get through spoke no english. this was a pity, because a number of these girls looked great and were quite cheap, even for a night, but i guess you have to speak russian to take advantage of that.

so that left me with one realistic option – night flight. i had had supper there, which is a surprising nice restaurant, and had bagged a couple of their business cards which proved very helpful since i could use them like “hotel cards” to give to taxi drivers to get me home. i probably had to pay a bit extra in fares, since they would have assumed i was out on a spree, but it was worth it just to be able to get back home easily. of course at suppertime things had not started to hum downstairs, although i did notice one woman dining alone who i figured was hoping to catch an early worm. but coming back at 2:30 am it was a different story!

if you have never walked the gauntlet on a good night at night flight, then you have never lived! you walk along this long narrow strip beside the bar, lined with gorgeous women on both sides, all eyeing you, and checking you out. there were at least 50 babes in this place, probably more like 100 when you got further inside, and maybe 20 guys, tops. most of the women were pretty good looking, a number of 10s but lots of 8s & 9s. i did not know where to start.

well, the first one i talked to started at $500. i laughed and told her i wasn’t in that market and refused to negotiate – even if i were to get her down to an affordable level, i figured she would not give good service to a discount customer. this scene played out a couple of more times until i retreated upstairs to watch the candy store from above. a really good looking girl with great breasts came over and started flirting, so i bought her a drink. after some preliminaries, she suggested that i could find happiness for $300. i got her down to $200 eventually and we were just getting ready to go when i remembered to specify bbbj. she refused, said she never did it without protection. okay, goodbye. same thing with the next girl, same opening bid, same closing offer, same obstacle. so the prices seemed reasonably negotiable, but the conditions of work were not.

eventually i hooked up with a really cute blonde and her friend. both were nice and friendly and relaxed – i guess they had given up on finding a client that night. the brunette was very appealing in a girl-next-door kind of way, but after valeria tiny tits in kyiv, a busty blonde was what i was looking for. they started proposing a two-girl special, but instead i got the blonde to agree to $200 for a few hours, including bbbj. leaving night flight at 3:30 in the morning with a hot blonde on a cold night, you really appreciate the two minute walk back to the apartment!

alina was really a nice girl. we drank some champagne, talked, kissed and generally made out in an unhurried way. she did the gfe thing very well. i would say she was an 8, with a nice face, beautiful hair and a great body. her breasts were not huge, but very nice and tasty. she was an enthusiastic lover, doing cowgirl and reverse then finishing me off with a fabulous ball-sucking, deep-throated blow-job complete with swallow, a smile, and a pleasant remark about having just had an early breakfast! this may be an every day event for some of you guys, but it was the best blow-job i ever had!

i wanted her to stay the rest of the night, which was not much, but when she learned what time i had to get up, she refused, and “all night” had not been explicitly our deal. i had failed to adjust the time from kyiv, so i only had about 3 hours before i needed to be at my meetings!

i staggered through that day and resolved that i would have to be a good boy that night, because i simply could not do so many nights without sleep. and the next night i had a date with an internet girl who sounded very promising. so that night i just went to divas, a strip club on pushkin square (cover charge 700 rur!). i figured i would see some pretty girls and maybe get an in-house quickie, then head for home.

it was okay, not too busy on a wednesday night, and there were only one or two other men in the place. the girls were pretty good and i was still trying to figure out how everything worked when the girl on stage finished her act and came down and started dancing at my table. i did not worry too much about it at first, since i had not invited her or agreed to anything, but eventually i asked her why she was dancing for me and she got all upset and called over an english speaking dancer.

it turns out i should have waved the girl away at the outset, otherwise she assumes i do want her. i refused to pay anything, because i don’t like having these things forced on me and i figured it was a chiselling game. after the girl left, i discovered that she only expected 100 rur for a casual dance like this, so i apologized and paid up. i thought they were trying to stick me for a 1600 rur table dance i hadn’t asked for. and it was a pity that things got started this way, because this was one of the best looking girls as i soon discovered.

but now i had the english-speaking girl attached to me like a leech and she did not appeal to me at all. i had bought her a drink because she sorted out the problem with the first girl but now i could not get rid of her. i just wanted to check out the girls and figure out the system – at least she could help with that, although i still do not really understand the niceties. the difference between a private dance and a lap dance was unclear to me, and just what level of service you got for 3600 rur versus 6000 rur.

eventually i got a nice second-best girl over and bought her a drink to drive away the english-speaking girl. this one spoke passable english as well, so i was in luck. after a bit of flirting and groping i asked her for a lap dance, but then it was her turn on stage. but after she came off she went straight over to another guy – i think the only other guy, at this stage!

fortunately, the new girl on stage is pretty good, so i watch her for a while then motioned her over when her turn is over. she was the best, most creative dancer of the crew, so i figure that is worth something and tell her i want a lap dance. i actually pay her the 1600 rur, tucking it in her bra, when she says she will do her dance in 5 minutes and gets up to go away – over to talk to the other guy! well, this makes me furious, and i go and get her and ask why she is not dancing for me. she says, “5 minutes” and i say no and demand my money back.

she calls over a waitress with passable english and i explain i want my money back. the dancer takes some money from her bra, but it is not 1600 rur, more like 600. i don’t get angry very often, and i was not really drunk, but i was ready to get mad at this treatment. so i kept demanding my 1600 back and she kept on insisting that was all i had given her and that i had put the 1000 back in my wallet when we had negotiated about the lap dance. now i was on uncertain ground. i certainly had a few thousand-rouble notes in my wallet and it was possible that i had given her just the 600, which she interpreted as my payment of the little post-performance dance she had done for me. but i did not think so, it seemed at least as likely that she had done some sleight of hand with the bills when she turned away – i have seen this sort of thing before, in a different setting.

but all i could do was demand the 600 back at least and get out of there. i was certainly not going to get a good dance there now, nor enjoy it if i did. i may have falsely accused the girl, which would be unfortunate, because she was a really good dancer, but i did not like the way i had been treated. i wanted these girls to sit around and flirt before and after their dances, not treat me like a timed event. anyway, i got out of there alive and vowed not to go back! and so to bed…alone.

thursday night was my date with natasha from the internet – i think elena’s models, the same site as valeria. although it is a bride site i had made it clear that i was looking for a girlfriend, not a bride, although i was not quite as forthcoming about my actual marital status. not knowing much about the neighbourhood, i had suggested that we could dine at café pushkin – an offer natasha leapt at! only on arrival did i discover how expensive this could be, but it was too late to back down – plus i thought if she perceived this as a real treat she would be more inclined to show up and motivated to please.

just a quick tip on café pushkin – order wine by the glass if you are on a budget, it is easy to pick inexpensive wines that way, whereas you have to be really selective if you are ordering from the wine list and wish to avoid bankruptcy!

again, a great theory not supported by empirical evidence. in fact, natasha calls up as i am sitting in the bar – she is sick, has a fever, and regrets she cannot join me. i am still uncertain whether she really was sick or just got a better offer, but we have since exchanged more messages and i will try her again next time.

just the same, i am all dressed up with no where to go. well, there is always somewhere to go. it is thursday night, which i heard was a good night at the real mccoy, so i find a taxi to take me there. despite having the address clearly written out, with metro reference, the driver doesn’t really know how to get there and we drive around a fair bit until we get pulled over by the police! the next half hour is spent with him engaged in earnest discussion with various members of the gendarmerie, getting in and out of their car, and shouting into his cell phone, while i sit stewing in the back seat of the taxi, hoping they police don’t turn their attention on me. i have my passport and immigration card registered and all that stuff, but i don’t speak a word of russian, and none of these guys are going to speak english.

foolishly, i don’t even have our consular number with me and all my embassy contacts were heading out of town that afternoon. happily, the situation resolves itself, the driver returns (furious) and the police don’t hassle me. we head off again and eventually find the real mccoy. i give the driver 100 rur extra for the hassle, which probably did not come near to covering whatever it cost him, but then it was not my fault and he has wasted a big chunk of my evening.

the real mccoy is hopping – it is just packed. and i would guess this is all normal folks, there are not many real stunners there and no obvious pros. but two problems. first, the dress code for café pushkin is not the same as at mccoy, so once again i am vastly over-dressed and out of place. second, with the live music and crowd it is pretty noisy and i don’t see how i am going to engage in sparkling conversation with the locals. this really isn’t my scene – although i can see how it would work for some, and maybe for me on a different night – so i head off again, not even having had a drink! the old adage about not being able to get laid in a *****house is starting to ring in my ears…

moving to plan c, i call up lovely alina, hoping she is not already installed at night flight (i figure my negotiating power is better if she has not already paid her 750 rur cover charge). i need not have worried, it is only 11:00 pm and she is just getting ready. so we agree to meet at the café next to nf at midnight. i figure even if this a bit of a defeat, having to fall back on a proven pro, this is the best way to recover something out of this disastrous evening.

it was a far, far better thing to do, than anything else i might have done. when alina comes into the café i realize that i have been discounting her beauty in my mind. maybe she did not look so great at 5:00 am with semen dripping from her lips (although such an image does have a certain innate charm) but tonight she looks fabulous! beautiful blonde hair, nicely made up, wearing very elegant yet sexy clothes. she has dress for our date, not for night flight, and i feel great and relax. she even makes these ridiculous knee-length shorts that so many women are wearing look good (i hope that fashion disaster moves on before my return to moscow).

a quick coffee then back to my place for champagne and a repeat of the other night ($200), except this time i have booked her for the whole night, so i get a long, leisurely blow job in the morning before heading off to my meetings. alina is a really nice girl (27) with decent english and a good gfe, and i have her phone number if anyone is interested. if valeria had been this friendly or this good i would have been much happier in kyiv!

... stay tuned for tail in two cities: part three: thank god for blondes!

Part 3: TGFB – Thank God For Blondes!

Friday is slated for Amateur Night, so I head to TGIF also on Pushkin Square. I had avoided TGIF because I did want to eat there, I prefer something more authentic, but I felt what I need now was someplace where locals came to meet expats, and this proved to be the right place! As soon as I stepped in the foyer I exchanged glances with a hot-looking girl and, if I had an ounce of brains or courage I would have grabbed her and let her have her way with my ATM machine and I might have had some success. But I hesitated and let the opportunity slip away.

Instead I headed upstairs and made the mistake of letting them seat me at a table for dinner. Sitting in the dining leaves you very little room to manoeuvre, unless you are very lucky in being seated next to some good prospects. I wasn’t, and the only unaccompanied prospect in view was eventually joined by a friend. So I waste too long getting fed, then head for the bar. There things are better, lots of women around and opportunities to cruise.

In no time I am approached by a pro who wants to know if I want to have a fun evening for $200. This is game day, my chance to try my hand at real mongering for real girls, so I demur. She starts bidding down, I think she gets down to $120, but I tell her I am not interested – she has nice manner, but is no beauty and I don’t think I would do her for free. But I buy her and her friend a drink just to be sociable and they suggest a two-girl special, which is not a very attractive proposition since the friend is even less appealing than the first one.

In the course of the drink buying, I chat briefly with a really cute young girl at the bar who invites me (on the basis of two minutes acquaintance) to join her and her friends (a mixed group) at a party they are all heading off to. This is a mind-boggling concept – imagine that happening to a middle-aged guy in America – but I decline. It is a bit too risky and I have no idea how about the male-female ratio or age spread. Still, it was nice to be asked. I buy off the mediocre hookers with drinks and go find a corner to scout from.

There are two stunning blondes seated close to me, but they are already being worked on by a gorilla-like Russian, so no real opportunity there – although they look like a lot of fun. I waste a bit of time looking around and checking out phone for messages from other date prospects, when the gorilla skulks away, leaving the bevy of blondes unguarded!

Uncharacteristically, I strike while the girls are hot and go over and ask, “est que il vous parlez français?” hoping like hell they don’t, since I have just exhausted my entire French vocabulary. Apparently they don’t speak French, so we agree on English as our lingua franca. These girls are tall, gorgeous, blondes, with beautiful faces and lovely smiles, both around 21 or 22, and they are solid 8s, maybe even better. Nadia, the sweet one, speaks some English and Ann, the sexier one, very little. Initially they refuse my offer of drinks, claiming to be shy, but I persist and succeed. B52s it is, which is a fun drink for them, then later Sex on the Beach, which sounds promising even if it is November.

At one point as I am chatting these girls up, some guy brushes by me and wishes me luck! If that was anyone from this group, thank you for your good wishes!

I ask them what happened to Igor and they say he joined them for a drink or two then left, stiffing them for his drinks! They explain this happens with Russian men all the time! I explain that no western guy would ever permit them to pay for any drinks at all. We drink and chat and flirt for a while (okay, I flirt, they smile demurely) then I ask them if they would like to go to a nightclub. I have been dying to go to Dyagilev and suggested that. They were interested, but did not feel they could get past face control. And they were probably right, I mean they were both good-looking, but only sexy Ann was dressed for partying and not even very slutty at that, whereas sweet Nadia was only dressed for bar-hopping in painted-on jeans.

So I counter-proposed Alex Alco-Hall, supposed a hot new place on Pushkin Square, highly rated in Exile, and unreported here on ISG. It was only a short distance away, so we walked over, but they were discouraged by the small crowd milling about outside. I grabbed their arms, marched them up to the front of the line and we cleared face control with the clever ploy of agreeing to pay the 400RUR (each) cover charge. I think they were very pleased with this VIP treatment and, of course, I was swanning into this swank nightclub with two gorgeous, statuesque blondes on my arms. As we say in my country, in moments of great ecstasy, it was not an entirely unpleasant experience!

I wish I could tell you more about Alex Alco-Hall. It was a cool place with smoke swirling around the dance floor and lots of cute young things writhing about, but in truth I did not look around much. The old adage about “two birds in the hand are worth an infinite number on the dance floor” seemed a wise one to heed, so I gave them my undivided attention. We drank and danced a bit, mostly I let them dance and admired the show. At a glance I think I had to two best looking girls in the place, but as I say I did not do an extensive survey. However, it looked like most of the girls there were quite young, and considering my girls were about 22, that is saying something. The blondes confirmed this, saying they thought lots of the girls were 16-18!

We had some fun and some more drinks, but I drew the line at champagne, which would have been ruinous, just as they drew the line at my hands wandering too far afield. To cut to chase – I did not score with these girls – to score a double-header home-run on my first “at bat” was too much to hope for! But there were moments when I thought I might, and I may still. And even just to be playing the game with these girls was heavenly!! It certainly gave me hope and confidence for future innings!

However, I think someone with more Russian or better game might well have succeeded where I did not. So I understand and believe many of the legendary exploits we see recorded in these annals.

So my blonde beauties wanted to call in a night, but not with me, and we parted company, but not before they agreed to act as my tour guides to Moscow the following day. I had made sure I got their numbers and tested them before I took them to the nightclub. I felt really good about this experience – even without sex. It was certainly much more fun than a strip club. These girls seemed genuinely nice and friendly and I did not feel that I was being gamed by them at all. Of course I bought them drinks and cover charges, but that is trivial, and it was a pleasure to be with them. They seemed happy enough to be in the company of someone who appreciated them and treated them decently.

One final point here, Alex Alco-Hall (Strasnoy Boul 8) is in the same complex as (and allegedly connected to) Babylone, a very hot new strip club. I tried it several nights and never found it open, so I cannot confirm that, but I hope some one else has better luck and sends in a report.

The next day was my last and only day to play tourist, and last chance to score with the blondes. After postponing our rendezvous twice, because they slept in, Nadia and Ann do show up to show me their city. Actually, they were hopelessly incompetent tour guides and as a result I really missed my chance to see much of Moscow, but I figured I was seeing the most beautiful sights in Moscow as it was, so I did not worry about it. They had other attributes. But much to my disappointment they had other plans for the evening – Nadia had a date with her boyfriend, not an unreasonable thing on a Saturday night, and without her, I could not really communicate with Ann. I wasn’t even able to buy them dinner or take them shopping, which I was fully prepared to do. I gave them a little money for spending so much time with me, which they refused the first few times, but eventually relented. I think it is important that they learn that flirting with western men has its rewards!

One of the many things I liked about these girls is that they seem really typical Moscow girls, hard up for money and the nice things in life – whereas some of the other girls I met have had lots of foreign travel and are not really as needy as I need them to be. So I am hoping that is an angle I can work with the blondes on a return trip – nice dinners, some shopping, maybe a romantic trip – these could get me home with these girls, if someone else does not spoil them first.

So with my evening suddenly free I headed back to TGIF, hoping to repeat my success of the previous night. It was not to be, but I did have great time and met some nice girls, including one potential ski bunny (a 20 year old beauty with a 2 year old at home – I am betting she does not have the life-style she hoped for, and might welcome an occasional treat). I found it surprisingly easy to meet people at TGIF, mostly they initiated conversations and I only got rebuffed once. I would certainly go there again, even if just for human contact. It is also a great place to try to get something going early in the evening – I would start before 8:00 pm in the future – when most other venues are not yet open or happening.

I tried a couple of other bars but could not really go back into Divas after my unhappy experience there and Babylone was still closed! I had to head home to pack and get ready for my 4:30 am airport transfer while ordering in from one of the English language escort services listed in the Moscow Times. They sounded cheap, I think it was $100 for one hour, which is all the time I had, but then it was another $50 for BBBJ!

After trying a few, and discovering they were all the same (except for the one who turned out to be our very own Helena – sorry Helena, but I know you do not do BBBJ), in some cases literally the same place, I ordered in one girl, sight unseen (not on their web-site) who was to be there in 20 minutes. 45 minutes later I get a call saying the girl is there, but cannot find the apartment, oh, and by the way, she doesn’t have correct change for the cab. So I give more directions and go down to the street. Back up and down again, and eventually the girl and taxi show up. By now I am running out of time, the girl does not speak any English, still has a problem with the taxi money and I don’t like the looks of her. So I send her away and call the service and tell them why.

With less than an hour in hand, I decide to head into Night Flight for a last look around. I don’t really expect to do anything, because I am down to my last 5000 RUR (which I had budgeted for the escort girl), but I figure it is worth the price of admission (750 RUR – including one drink) just to window shop! So I blow into Night Flight sometime after 3:30 am and ask if the cover charge is still in place. The girl tells me yes, but the big bald guy who is in charge, and recognizes me from Tuesday, says it’s a slow night and I can just go in and look around and if I want to stay, pay the cover.

Inside it is completely dead! There are maybe 4 or 5 girls, and only two of them free, one of them with a fabulous rack on display. So it is not going to be a lot of fun window shopping, unless I just want to buy these girls drinks in this pathetic Saturday night morgue. Instead I switch tactics and explain I have less than an hour, a place two minutes away and 5000 roubles. They laugh at my offer and explain that it is 8000 roubles minimum. So there are limits to price elasticity at Night Flight, even at 4:00 am on slow night! I did not really expect anything different, but figured it was worth a try and it does no harm to the system to try to drive down the prices and be prepared to walk.

I go out and thank Baldy for letting me in. He explains it is the slowest Saturday night he has ever seen. I go back and finish my beer and my airport transfer comes at 4:30 sharp. In truth I did not really have time to bring a girl home. Could I have gotten serviced on site at Night Flight? I should have asked.

So, in summary, I had a lot of fun, but not as much sex as I had expected. I mean, a two-city tour and screwing only two different girls does not make for an unqualified success. But I had fun, made progress and learned a lot of things. I am optimistic I will do better next time, especially given the leads I have developed, which I will cultivate in the meantime.

A couple of lessons or observations:

The apartment thing works, but I would certainly upgrade a lot next time. I don’t think the blondes would have been overwhelmed by my digs, no matter how conveniently located. And overwhelming them is what I was after!

Airport transfers – arrange that through your apartment agency if you can, so that they can coordinate keys and documents and all your problems are in one basket. If there is a problem with the apartment, you are not left out on the street corner trying to find a taxi to take you to some alternative address.

It is difficult to over-estimate the burn rate of the cash you go through! I had more intimate relations with ATM machines than with dyevs!

It is very difficult for newbies to get around or find things. I had notes of a bunch of different clubs or bars from ISG, but did not have addresses for them all – I thought that I would just see these places as I walked around Pushkin Square! No way, I needed detailed addresses, and even then it usually took me several tries to find a place. It helped once I picked up Exile at TGIF, but even that was after a few days trying to find a copy of Exile!! Grab the business cards or menus or whatever of places you want to return to, to show to taxi drivers. If in an apartment, find a landmark nearby and get a card for it – that is your “hotel card” to get you home at night.

Keep your papers and consulate information on you at all times! I know there has been a discussion here about whether you need originals or copies and whether you really need to register your immigration card – my advice is do it by the book! I got stopped twice, once in the taxi and once on the Metro with the blondes (they explained that police often stop pretty girls, especially if with a foreigner). I am glad I had my papers in order.

Do full cost accounting when making economic choices. When ordering in, make sure you factor in full services and taxi money. When trying for in-house services at a strip club remember the cover charges and all the drinks and other dancers before you end up in a private room with the woman of your dreams. When trying for freebies remember the drinks and dinners and shopping that all add up. And remember the security fees at hotels if you are bringing in girls, versus free passage at apartments.

Boyfriends are not real obstacles unless they are standing right in front of you, and maybe not even then. A number of these girls had boyfriends, but did not take them too seriously (I guess it is mutual). And what I thought were couples in a bar sometimes seemed much looser arrangements (I thought the girl who invited me to the party was with her boyfriend, but then I think she left without him). Russian guys in the bars did not seem like real competition, in fact they did not seem too interested in the girls – go figure!

Always lie about being married (if you are), even with pros! I regretted telling Alina I was married, even though this was straight P4P. She is hoping (I am sure they all are) that some day one of her clients will “take her away from all this”. We all need our fantasies, and it might lead to that extra touch of GFE!

THE END

Gentleman Traveller

[QUOTE=It Travel]

I today made agreement for my trip with a girl,
seemingly not a beauty but she loves black bone
for a weekend at a bargain of 1000 US and no disco

I was happy as usual,
ask me for 1 USD

IT[/QUOTE]

So, like, can I have a dollar?

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]So, like, can I have a dollar?[/QUOTE]

Sorry Bez but I did not feel I've written this, it's not my style.ù

What I made ias an agreementt with a Russian Girl (! in Moscow, other prices) for a long weekend Fri-Mon (three days, three nights).. 19teen like Hegre or MET ART pics, loving latex and toys, but no anal (I'll try in any cas with extra bucks). 1000 USD is not so much...

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]

Sorry but I had a Russian Girl in Moscow

a teen Hegre MET ART sex toy

Irina sucks not so much...

[/QUOTE]

I only say that because anyone can WRITE about fucking
teen lingerie fotomodels, but can't anybody do more than
just write about it?

Juliya
BEZ ART fotomodel

I tried to contact [url]http://www.idzanami.com[/url] by phone as they are were central. Called a few times with no answer. Anybody knows the place and if it is still operating?

Then arranged for [url]http: //body-massage. Kiev. Ua/massage/[/url]. They do outcalls. Tried them 2 nights in a row. First had a VERY shy brunette and she was cute and talkative but covered up even for the handjob happy ending. Did ask her why and she said she cannot cope with the messy fluids. Not so nice in the end.

Second night was better, a crazy 19 year old blond, came over an hour later than scheduled. Asked her what happend, she said "normal". But the service was excellent with lots of touching and rubbing on both sides. Offered her erotic massage from my side and she agreed. Excellent time with lots of hugging and kissing and more. But no sex.

Has anybody ever picked up somebody in RP or other premises or even freebies for massage and fun without sex? For what price? I noticed that most of the numbers offering everything and also massage do say they do nothing but straight sex when called. Maybe you have suggestions.

By the way. Lybid is NOT the place to bring girls to. Security (4-6 guys) is very fucked up there.

Hi to all!
Ish will be in Kiev again this weekend, so let me know if anyone wants to hook up!
Poka Poka

It came as a surprise, but the lobby bar of the President Hotel seems to have 5-7 women hanging around most every night between around 10 until 1am. They range in looks from 'over the hill' to gorgeous. 150e was what I heard from one of them. Most seem to speak English as well.

Looks like they change the rules in the Lybid hotel because I stayed there once a couple of years ago and I had no problem with the reception staff or the security staff when bringing back girls from RP at 2 or 3 am. It´s a pitty because the Lybid is a good VFM in Kyiv where most hotels are old and overpriced.

[quote=bez bezarra]i only say that because anyone can write about fucking
teen lingerie fotomodels, but can't anybody do more than
just write about it?

juliya
bez art fotomodel[/quote]


dear bez as you perhaps know i alaready fucked a ukr playboy playmate some years ago, named barbara or diana, (she was changing) real beauty, but like a log in the bed! :(

now i found some differtent types, young willing and more.. sponsor types, but mostly in moscow, i'm not there since some months, so i just inform the friends here that there is this possibility... sponosrship of a teen model usually for 1000 usd a weekend... if you take an overnighter in moscow it's usually 250-350... (not in the hayatt lobby of course...) so for three nights, and days it seems approppriate.

next time i'll be there i'll write you on my sponosrship experience, i've two on my list...

by the way [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is the "mannequinne" style, only petite, but phisics is that and i can say that fucking her is reallt exceptional, and in the coming week i'll do it at least twice (meaning 8-10 shosts :d )! (i'm going to kiev on sunday)...

it

In these days I have been in correspondence with Diana Voronko at Gia.

I must say something: she is always very kind, openly says if girls are available or not, and accepts (from regulars of course) reservation for girls.

Of course you have to confirm by phone in the afternoon for what you want in the evening.

I really thing, even if more expensive than RP girls (from 50 to 100 USD more) It’s a nice and safe way (no robberies) to get in bed… Thanks to Gia, Diana is always finding a solution…

As written down here I’m trying to get again the Mystery Tramp, perhaps at RP, will see, or by phone… I think I have a wrong one. Somebody has seen her recently?

IT

It Travel

Check your PM's




[QUOTE=It Travel]In these days I have been in correspondence with Diana Voronko at Gia.

I must say something: she is always very kind, openly says if girls are available or not, and accepts (from regulars of course) reservation for girls.

Of course you have to confirm by phone in the afternoon for what you want in the evening.

I really thing, even if more expensive than RP girls (from 50 to 100 USD more) It’s a nice and safe way (no robberies) to get in bed… Thanks to Gia, Diana is always finding a solution…

As written down here I’m trying to get again the Mystery Tramp, perhaps at RP, will see, or by phone… I think I have a wrong one. Somebody has seen her recently?

IT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tremayne]It Travel

Check your PM's[/QUOTE]

PM when you are there...

Just had a short trip to Kiev from Odessa last week. No overnight stay, but saw that Kiev Post sorted out the problems with the adds. Now there are very neutral adds with no photos for massage and for entertainment but the context is clear: 'Blond, 2o y.o, 55 kgs offering entertainment to gentlemen'. I can live with out the (fake) photos...

HS

finally i’m in kiev again

i’m with a friend for some fun, unfortunately he ha sto leave earlier. but ok.

as usual ou get in tired, long flight, early wake up, so we just decided do plan an “order” to diana voronko at gia for two girls: yulia and irina… 12 hours and all the extras including girl exchange! the only one not shown in the normal price list: 25 usd per night.

as said the girls came at the apartment at 21.30.

yulia as usual, nice, and funny, no english at all, i think that the pics showing her better is [url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girls/yulia/8.jpg[/url].

irina, a newcomer… no english at all and a little shy on getting shifted! she is good represented here [url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girls/irina2/4.jpg[/url]. but the face is quite different, wider nose, transparent light blue eyes, and a round face, with beautiful soft lips (!). he body is quite the same as shown.

so i got started with yulia, leaving the “blondinka” to my friend.

she got her usual treatment, kissing, touching, fucking in all the positions and then a nice tit fuck, with a final cof ! last time she got an eye shot! unfortunatley no cameras… and this time she covered the eyes with the hand and opened the mouth, and then sat some time cum gurgling… wow!

we got to the living room for the exchange, and irina was not so convinced, but finally i managed to get her to bed: yulia, just got there too! she was with my friend starting a bbbj wile irina was already riding me cow girls. she is for short preliminaries! finally my friend got to his room with yulia, and i got the blondinka for the night!

yulia: always a nice fuck with a couple of musts! a tit fuck with a final cof and a real good cow girl, specially when she is laying on you with her fabulous tits… i think she has a perfect body for being laid down, 5-6 kg more than standard well distributed. perfect for a superlative tit fuck.

irina: more naïve, but definitely worth the evening. the best is when you take her doggy with the full light on… you can really work on her nailing her. unfortunately no cim, but on tits it was allowed. another good part are tits of course. as in the pictures, hard and with perky nipples… a perfect place where parking your mouth.
when you are riding her doggy, you see this perfect anus: nice and pink, a real waste of good things… you can touch it look at it, or finger it a little… and it’s all.
a good nice couple of shots in the early morning, with the type of sex she likes (i do not mean she gets wet!) heavy and all just fuck. by the way with her china bone white skin she is very afraid for blue marks she can get while being fucked… her boyfriend, of course, doesn’t know anything… will see how she gets out next months. perfect for doggy.

i have to go now. next i will write on a real rally with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] and her 27 y.o. friend katya: a medium sized brunette, english teacher, really naïve and inexperienced. in my opinion worth a long time sponsorship. :)

of course to river palace too, but getting [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] and yulia and nice suggestion from members for anal girls, mystery tramp is not on vital priorities… ;)

in the night i got, with a friend, to rp. just for a look off. we were tired of a real rally two long nights of sex… :) :)

we were just sitting in the bar. some times just taking some drinks.

since the last time i was there i think that the girl level is a bit lower. some are still incredible…

of course the place is cheap: 28 grivnas for two beers, but the taxi back will charge you a lot (they know that you are three for spending your money!).

we found some real beauties.

a really incredible full figured blondinka in 18-19 with cast iron tits! a nearly naked brunette, petite, like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], i think 25 or so, seemed to be really good. and an incredible teen with real white skin and a body like a statue. other teens or so and some elder girls, 30 or so. some little bit less shy (looking, making eye contact r saying hello), but no one at all aggressive.

of course on tuesday in november the mongering is limited. the maximum of girls is around 1.00 am. and the conclusion of a deal can be incredible quick… so if you like a girl just talk to her, take her home and nail her as much as you can. ;)

in my opinion, and for my habits, the only real problem is that the rp is too late… you get laid at 2.00 (approx.). at that time i could be sleeping between the tits of yulia, after being fucking her for all the evening for four or five hours, and just relaxing for the mandatory morning double shot!

in my opinion surely rp is the best place to choose a girl, have a night fuck and get her telephone for another day… when you can nail her properly. nailing one of these girls properly will take at least eight hours (and a cialis of course), so if you get them in bed at 3, sleep only 4 hours, it will be 3 pm! and they usually go home by 9-10 am! some even earlier. i think that this time problem is the real no thing at rp. all the rest is ok.

by the way i think that this time i will really rent out yulia for 24 h. her two days ago cum gurgling really made me mad! i still think she is a high class bed animal… when you are sleeping with her it’s a real gfe… kissing and cuddling in the morning and getting a real great cow girl with a full figured body! :) :)

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Lots of interesting info about dyevs.
But ALL info on prices is missing.
Don't be offended, they are your reports.[/QUOTE]
The 25 USD for night is the extra for girl changing, as CIM, or BBBJ... I was thinking that all here know GIA prices!

They have been reported several times. By the way, a little bit overpriced, but you speak with Diana Vornoko who will solve your "fucking" problems.

Two girls, BBBJ, CIM (1 girl), exchange both of course, COF (1 girl), COB (1 girl)... total for 12 hours from 21.30 to 9.30 is 820 USD.

I hope you are happy with the total, because I'm in Kiev and I do not remember the separate prices...

IT

The beer price (0.5 Stella Artois) is 14 Grivnas at River Palace, just ceched the bill...

A vodka (Russky Standardt 50 gram), and a juice (Peach) will go for (If, I'm not wrong) 34 Grivnas.

IT ;)

I frankly have not asked for prices, but Mystery Tramp, who you well know (If I'm not wrong by nailing her in a lot of holes) is starting by SMS from 200 for 2 hours... simply crazy I said her... I can get Yana from Gia for a lower price...

IT

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Lots of interesting info about dyevs.
But ALL info on prices is missing.
Don't be offended, they are your reports.[/QUOTE]


But the real quote, with all misspelling and errors is:


As usual ou get in tired, long flight, early wake up, so we just decided do plan an “order” to Diana Voronko at Gia for two girls: Yulia and Irina… 12 hours and all the extras including girl exchange! The only one not shown in the normal price list: 25 USD per night.


I was meaning that the only charge not shown in Gia price list is a girl exchange between friends (let's say orgy): 25 USD per girl...

You know the fee is counted by... Basic hourly fee +... BBBJ extra +, CIM extra +, lesbi extra +, COF extra + etc. etc.

Really unfortunately NO ANAL EXTRA!!!! :(

dear friends,

it really seems that only i am in kiev with this ugly weather.
already written on the two gia girls, then we had [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] and katya, then the river palace, now i just sent away sveta from gia :( ; this afternoon i have a date with mystery tramp, let’s see if this time she gets fucked! :d

i’m here for katya a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s friend found for my friend it travel 2 (i think he will soon log on with this name!).

in a very lucky way i managed to get [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (but i’ll write on her later) and, for my friend, katya.

katya is a 27 y.o. english and russian teacher (she teach russian to foreigners). a little bit overage for me but…

in the morning, before they got away (i got one of the best bbbj ever from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]) my friend said she was very inexperienced, and very willing, making bbbj with cim and even trying anal, but went off on ground it was too hurting.

could i leave a such girl? the chance of a three day sex rally including a full anal training (for a new comer wanting to be a pro) was too big! i remember i saw her naked running to the bath (with a mouthful of cum, my friend said later). wonderful body, nice, hard small tits, and a great ass. brown hair with blonde stripes and a typical russian/siberian face with dark blue eyes. and she even wanted to try anal! i have a lot of k jelly!

so i talked to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], she is not jealous, and she was travelling to odessa the day after. she told me before, chatting between fucks, that she had tried several times to get her to bed in a lesbian experience, but her words were: “i can fuck any guy, but not you!”. so i was very happy… she surely will fuck me, and then i will nail her little pink rear entrance.

but some hours later i got this message:

“talked to katya..... she said that as she spent a night with ur friend it wouldnt be right to come and to spend a night with u. so, she has her own thought and i deal and i cant help it. so she doesnt want me to give u her phone number. i m really sorry about that(((“

very unhappy… but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] said she was very conservative (starting being a pro at 27 means something), and she was right! :( :(

so i ended up on sveta from gia, nice fucks, but unfriendly gfe.

it

I miss Lolitta!

Last time in kiev i have try this girls from Gia:

Ruslana: Vote 9,5 she is very nice and to do all but no Anal,

Dasha: Vote 9, very beautifull and slim she to do all and wonderfull finish in her mouth.

Lika: Vote 8,5 nice for fuck but wonderfull in blowjobs, you can finish in her face and she take all sperm and eat :))

Galina: Vote 6,5 very nice girl but she very passive.

I'll be flying into Kiev Dec 1st. Anyone want to join me for a beer and some fun latter?

A few of my Kiev friends (women) want to show me the new night clubs and maybe we can do Arena or RP later?

PM me if you care to join us?

[quote=lifesavour]i miss lolitta![/quote]

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is surely the best fucking pro ever met.

so kind and nice when dressed, even classy, but a real pig in the bed, soething you have to experience at least once in the life.

no hassle to time watching, nothing, just sucking fucking and cuddling in any possible way, and she is very often wet... ;)

i will try to plan a vacation with her an her new girlsfriend, a stripper... :) :)

in this summer in crimea. i i survive 10 days or so i will report... ;)

it

soon new reports on mystery tramp (alesia), [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], and oksana and sveta from gia.

Anyone try these girls yet?

Anyone have any luck with University students in Kyiv?

I figure Christmas is coming in January and some students may want to earn some extra money on the side. Where do you go to approach them ? R there University pubs?

When do classes finish?

[QUOTE=Chill Bill]Anyone try these girls yet?[/QUOTE]

I tried Oksana some days ago, for afull 24 h... my conclusion is... not woorth the money, but I'll come back later with a detailed report.

IT

sveta from gia


i rented out sveta from gia, my usual time, some days ago in kiev.


when i found her downstairs (because i gave her wrong door code) i found an incredible girl.

tall, bitchy face, clothes were even worse, with those incredible tits (you can’t hold one in two hands! 1.5 inch nipples, erecting like volcanoes!). so we went upstairs and she undressed (normally non naked) and got to the sofa. surely not a beauty, but intriguing, for this monstrous tits (6/7 in eu measurements, dd in us i suppose, of course the gravity was doing her work! she needed a bra when sleeping otherwise she was hurting herself!) an incredible bitchy face and a nice attitude, of course not a word of english. i think that the gia standard for no english, is really no english, basic is when they can communicate you the price!

starting on the sofa i got immediately that her pics was a little bit photo shopped (she has some deep acne marks on the face) etc. she will be 21 in january, and most important, she is 175, but not 57 kg, surely 75 is more similar! i guess in reality she is 68 or so… nothing bad at all. she has a wide body, like olympic athletes from the former eastern bloc. but she is not ugly at all!

she was just wearing a new but old style russian military t shirt (with blue and white stripes) making her tits even bigger! we started cuddling kissing etc immediately. when i came to take off her jeans it came out that she was incredibly wet! a pro still getting wet: naïve! looking at the pussy i saw this monstrous clito (one of the biggest ever seen). she was laying completely naked on the sofa, and i asked for some photos, and all gia girls she answered no!

i started masturbating her clito with a finger, **** was dripping, so we decide to go to the bed, she already had one orgasm by masturbating only and was very aroused: nipples and tits were erected and very sensitive.

i was trying to do something on the bed, but i was rapidly put down, condomed, and she stared fucking me cow girl. yes, that’s the real… she was fucking me, not the opposite. only for her pleasure. after a quarter or so she got her second orgasm! she relaxed laying on me for aa minute or so, and then the real cow girl started. i thought that the bed should break down! i was playing with the tits and suddenly she just took my writs and put me down and started fucking me even heavier. wow i was the fucked one! a real devil. i could not last long, i just came, and she left my hands, making possible to touch her, kiss her, just laying on me. the exact opposite of irina, afraid for blue marks, i should have been afraid.

we got over to the sofa and i was looking to the incredible pussy! after some time she mad clear that she wanted no picture, but could take some picture on the pussy! so i did they are here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=533524&postcount=417[/url]

at this point i was looking her closely… a lot of scars on the body (small) like a girl running naked through the forest. not prepared hands (every body have seen ee girls hands, usually perfect trimmed), she was a strange bed animal…

after a wile we got in bed again and in a lot of position finally i got a good tit fucking (mandatory with a such dimension!). after some minutes she got the mandatory facial shot: two where stripes crossed her tanned face: crazy she was shouting and lathing…

we got again on the sofa, where she was drinking juice and smoking. a well built body. just a little bit to fat around the belly (could belly dance!). after a while we got again to bed. kissing cuddling at usual and then we went off in to a lot of position. at the end i found the right one. it’s in kamasutra it have a name, but i can’t remember it now. the only thing coming in my mind is “lotus” clearly wrong. so i will describe it

the girl is laying down on the bed, no pillows. her legs are lifted up so her knees touch the bed. her feet are up, against my chest, and she holds them with hands. the pussy is well exposed. i’m just over, laying on her feet. i’m rigid like while you are doing (i think the word is flexions or some similar, you know a basic exercise in every sport). she was just receiving her meat dose up to the last millimetre. i could see the lips around my cock and the incredibly big clito, completely erected. no doubt that she liked the treatment. it went on for 10-15 minutes, slow and firm. then i changed the speed. she screamed incredibly. and louder she screamed heavier i fucked her! i was really thinking she had a multiple orgasm! something incredible… being held up of her (with robust legs and feet) i started handle her tits. the thing went even worse! she understood nothing and started wheezing. then my rhythm got to the maximum… i needed to cum! i jus slammed it in as hard as i can. after coming and relaxing on her (she was very soft and comfortable!), i want to the bath, for a shower, when i was back she was still there still wheezing! :d

at this point her attitude turned around completely. she became really ugly… just wanted out to a restaurant (2 am), to a party, home, all the things, then wanted to go home and get back at 5 am (with all the money of course), then laying in the bed looking tv and shouting against friends not answering to her sms (3 am), of course normal people at that time is sleeping or fucking!

it seemed out that before coming she was drinking or taking drugs, the effect went off after four/five hours and it was a disaster.

i just fucked her twice more in the morning, very conventional. in the evening she was kissing with all the tongue, sucking and doing everything. and she was always joking and leafing. in the morning she was another person. no kissing, no cuddling, no bbbj, no tit touching, etc. etc. so, as said, just got a couple of mechanical fucks (me over), and sent her home one hour before… :(

in sveta there are two girls.

if you take her, my suggestion is four or six hours, hope that she is on good humour and fuck her as hard as you can. it might be an unbelievable experience, specially when she is fucking you, or when you are making a tit fuck with a final facial shot! but the best position is this i explained you.

mind that she seems like a worker got out from a donbass coal mine… :(

but in complex the first half of the night was worth all the money… the only wrong thing is that she was so aroused that she got more orgasms than me! seems incredible that they still have so naïve pros, but it’s true…. you can’t simulate a dripping ****!

it

ps next report on oksana (one of the gia stars…. yulia is far far better!)

total damage 400 usd a mere 300 euro! 12 hours

at the end of the trip (for 24 h) i was reserving yulia, but diana in gia told me she had period and did not know when she could get back to work.

instead i reserved the young (18) yana a real russian blondinka... (period too...) :(

so at the end my 24 were spent with oksana... not worth the money you pay, not even for 4 hours. :( :(

but i stll have to write on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], mystery tramp and oksana, i'll start form the last. and keep [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] as last (best fuck with yana :) ).

next tomorrow.

it

I've watched the last few Super Bowls in Moscow, so it has become somewhat of a tradition to watch the game "on the road in EE".

I would like to change my venue this year to Kiev.

Does anyone know if there is a nice sports bar showing the game in Kiev?

As you know, the game in on the first Sunday in February and due to time zone differences, doesn't begin until something like 2 or 3am.. not exactly primetime for bars, so it must be a dedicated sports bar...

Beer and nachos essential. Women of secondary importance in this case.

Any ideas from the Kiev crowd? Does RP have a sports bar?

I know 3!

Sports club near 'K' st.

And both Irish pubs!

Lets meet, I mean I want to meet a legend!

Ls guy

Not a silly question at all! I still have yet to find anywhere in Kiev where I can watch an evening baseball game (have to resort to staying in).

The most likely places are the obvious - RP - it subscribes to Sky Sports which has the rights to the Super Bowl in the UK and definitely shows the Sunday regular season games if anyone asks. The Arena sports bar is also a good option (again it subscribes to Sky Sports). I think Arena claims to be open 24/7, so times definitely won't be a problem. I think RP shuts at 6am regardless of what is on.

I would also be surprised if someone didn't organise an event around it, regardless of the times. This is worth looking out for as it can be a pain. A friend of mine was at the RP for the World Cup final and said that you had to book a table for supper as otherwise you were stuck watching the game on the small screens at the bar with loads of people cramped together.

Yes, I'd also consider Arena in my limited experience. A number of large flat screens and open late. And some freelancers at the bar to boot!

I've been in Kiev for two Superbowls (RP and then Arena) it's a very low key event. I was in Arena for last years SB - maybe 30 people in the sports bar at the peak (Sunday, err early Monday morning is not a popular time), 3-4 girls -15-20 Brits and a handful of Americans. They started off with the Sky feed for the game and then mercifully at half time switched over to the American network feed.

The downstairs bar at RP will show the game. But Arena is a hands down winner. Their pizza needs a little work (as with all places in Kiev except for Patio Pizza)- but the buffalo wings were right on.

I'll be in Kiev during the SB and more then likely in Arena watching it.

Thanks for the advice fellas, looks like Arena it is... hope the plans work out, from my side they should...

Any advice on the place to be? I'm sure places like Arena will require some sort of reservations -- correct? What are some other good party options (with working girls, of course)?

I didn't haven any problems getting into PaTiPa or Arena on NYE. However both were expensive and very crowded. Arena may have been a private party I can't remember. PaTiPa was $100 entrance with a British DJ being featured.

I was already with two girls and it was hard to tell who was working and who wasn't in the chaos. But it is Kiev after all. ;)

The best catalogue of girls in Kiev.

Is filter «Check Real photo»

[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/[/url]

I advise Marina

[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=135[/url]

hi everyone,

Thanks for all off you for info. It is a great side and it help us to get lied and enjoy much more quaker.

I was in kive for 2 mounts ago, tried to get a room in dnipro hotel, the do not have a room so I called up GIA and I rent a room, it was the best, first night have a tall, sexy girl, (I thing she is Jewish, she told me she was in Israel), named "Ruslana", has very big tits, and sexy part's, and she was so good, she was a wild animal in bed, she baron and flame like red fire, I do not fuckt her, she fuckt me 3 times in 2 horse, and not stop to suck an fuck me, she was rely enjoying her self by having sex wit me, (I love that).

The second night had the girl "Eliza" she is also very good, she is not tall like Ruslana, in fact she is allot smellier how she looks on her pic. in the ad, but she is more beauty, and her sex drive is very good.

Now my question:

As all of you know GIA rase their praise, and even it is still a good praise comparing to the USA prices, and the USA quality (it is horrible), but still I wont to try a chipper agency, and maybe some of you can help me.

I have 3 now sites for me:
1) [url]www.sextravel.com.ua[/url]. 2) Top-models.com.ua . 3) [url]www.Kievcityescort.com[/url].

I so some of this was ask in this board, by privies members if the are reel and good like GIA, the answer was "no", GIA is still the most reliable and good sexy agency.

But maybe some of you have some now info, about the 3 agencies, maybe the become better ?

Thanks in advance

I just returned from Prague where I fucked 25 girls in 13 days. It was like heaven. I met some Ukranians but did not like them. Anyway, I may give Ukraine a try. I want to ask about flirt.com or some other sites. Yes, I plan to keep fucking 25 girls a trip but I need to think long term as well and consider the possibility of marriage. Flirt.com sounds like a great way to meet Ukranian girls and I plan to learn Russian. But how do you know that the girl you end up marrying was not a $300 *****? Can you guys post reputable marriage agencies in Ukraine.

Freexsky

If you advise Marina give some info.

How it was, is she reel, is the praise like the offer, how is her technics, is she reel sexy and hot or only a money sucker ?

Report please

Thnks

Guy#2 here is a list of all the reputable marriage agencies in Kiev;

Let me know if you need any help with it.

You posted a blank page. Are you trying to be funny like there are no reputable agencies? If so, I may agree with you because nearly every Rusian or Ukranian I come across seem to be driven by money. Sometimes it is easier to deal with an American girl who has money but just has an emotional need. I am keeping my options open. I figure if I am going to spend the money to travel and fuck 25 girls every 3-4 months, I might as well get to know these girls and perhaps reduce my costs long term. But a part of me still believes that it is lot less hassle to find an American girl who just has an emotional need. A good example are models or want to be models. You always see them with some older guy or weirdo.

Guy#2, part of the problem is the culture of business in Ukraine. Even 'good' people get caught up in it. Paying for dates in Kiev is like paying for sand at the beach- it doesn't make sense. You can easily do what you want without paying someone and if you do pay someone then you are just wasting your money. It's been gone over a hundred times in this forum - there is no customer service in the Ukraine. There is no agency in Kiev that is going to do everything for you (apartment, girls, food, whatever). If someone does promise you that it is a fantasy, doesn't matter if it's a westerner 'owned' agency or local.

If you can't find an attractive woman in Kiev then you have to take a serious look at yourself. It's only when you start looking for the 18-24 year old 8 plus super models do thing start to get dicey.

I'll give you some free advice from Cruiser D's Kiev playbook - which I am sure you will ignore and go out and make the mistakes for yourself;

NEVER go on a translator date - I've dated many a translator in Kiev and they tell me the first thing that comes out of the non english speaking girls mouth is see what you can get for me. Most girls know a small bit of english and most understand it a lot better then they can speak it. I initially swore off non-english fluent girls. But on my last few trips I have gone out with a few. When two people want to go on a date and don’t speak a common language well that is a initial chemistry that is hard to pass up. I must be doing something right because 3 of the girls enrolled in english classes after our dates and no, I didn’t pay for them. ;)

Never let the girl pick the first meeting spot. TGIF is a good spot to meet if you are new to Kiev. Everyone knows where it is. Also, beware of dates that show up with a friend. I’ve had this happen to me twice. While in both cases the girls were very interested in me, which was evident by the amount of SMS’s I ignored. It just smacks too much of lets see what we can get from the stupid foreigner. But then again every rule has it exceptions. I once had a girl show up with her super hot friend and I ended up dating both of them for a while. Oh, and I also get a lot of meet me at Arena – which means meet me outside Arena so you can pay for me to go inside and you can buy drinks for me. Taking a girl to a club is one of the silliest things I ever heard of. It’s like bring a book from home to read in the local library. I always tell these girls, sure I’ll meet you at Arena, I’ll be inside at the bar call me when you get inside. ;)

Thanks. I will listen to your advice. I did not follow everything you said. I guess you are telling me that you do not need to pay for sex because women are plenty. Thanks. Yes, I have never gone out with anyone outside the 18-22 range. I also like beautiful women.

Don't worry about me paying for things. I am cheap. I also don't like being used because I have been used in the US so many times. If I see signs of what you are talking about, I will leave.

Along your line of thought, I think that we worship models in the US because no one is having sex. In Cambodia, there is no porn because you can fuck a girl for $1. I think that when you live in a country where you have to stay in shape and can't get laid, it is not you. It is supply and demand. Women have better opportunities than to sit around and suck your dick.

That's why I think it is necessary to go to Kiev.

I can spend my time chasing fat pussy in the US. Or I can focus on making money and taking that money and going to Kiev.

When I get to Kiev, I will follow your advice.

I think that is what you are saying: that when I hit the ground, I will meet the girls and do not need a marriage agency. That is what I found in Prague. The girls I met were better than on the website. I think that in the US, we live online because we can't get the real thing. But the reason why you do not see hot Kiev girls online is because they are freely avalable. The online sites target stupid Americans and foreigners? That is the line of thought that you are getting across, right?

Anyway, when I do go to Kiev, I only have 7-14 days. I have to walk up to each girl and ask her to marry me. Assuming you are right, I should not have a problem.

Thanks.

You will have no problem at all finding your bride in 7-14 days, you might be able to do it in a weekend...

Hi,

Finally I will be in Kiew from 14.12 till 18.12 agine :-)

If somebody from the forum is there we can meet if you like.

So I have 1 question i was going to order dash from Gia for 24-48 h anybody of you ever tryed here and has any eexpiriens with here?

Unfortunaly none of teh Kia girld do anal anymore. Is there any place (agency) you may can recomand for that kind of fun?

None000

None000

No PM's work! I need to get a number to you?

LS Guy

[QUOTE=None000]Hi,

Finally I will be in Kiew from 14.12 till 18.12 agine :-)

If somebody from the forum is there we can meet if you like.

So I have 1 question i was going to order dash from Gia for 24-48 h anybody of you ever tryed here and has any eexpiriens with here?

Unfortunaly none of teh Kia girld do anal anymore. Is there any place (agency) you may can recomand for that kind of fun?

None000[/QUOTE]


never been with Dasha, but in my opinion the best girl they have (no english at all, but no problem) is Yulia...

Happy Trip !!!!

IT

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]G

Never let the girl pick the first meeting spot. TGIF is a good spot to meet if you are new to Kiev. Everyone knows where it is. Also, beware of dates that show up with a friend. I’ve had this happen to me twice. While in both cases the girls were very interest in me, which was evident by the amount of SMS’s I ignored. It just smacks too much of lets see what we can get from the stupid foreigner. But then again ever rule has it exceptions. I once had a girl show up with her super hot friend and I ended up dating both of them for a while. Oh, and I also get a lot of meet me at Arena – which means meet me outside Arena so you can pay for me to go inside and you can buy drinks for me. Taking a girl to a club is one of the silliest things I ever heard of. It’s like bring a book from home to read in the local library. I always tell these girls, sure I’ll meet you at Arena, I’ll be inside at the bar call me when you get inside. ;)[/QUOTE]


Now I feel stupid, having actually brought a girl to Arena...actually her and her 3 friends. Though I didn't pay any entrance fee, just drinks.

But what the heck do I know? lol

Brandon, monetary matters aside. I really don't see the point of bringing a girl to a club unless she is a girlfriend of sorts - or if you enjoy dancing. Clubs are where you go to meet girls.

But even the Cruiser goes against his own advice sometimes - it pays to be flexible. I did the Arena thing with three girls. Two I brought with me and one I picked up there. Things that made it worthwhile for me - two of the girls I was having sex with at the time. The stares I got from other guys as the girls rotated in and out of the table and I was sucking face with each in turn. The table costs $200 up front and both the girls and myself are lightweights. We ordered about 4-5 drinks each got one hookah and I still think I left the waiter a $70 tip. As it turned out that wasn't such a bad thing - whenever I went to Arena for the next four weeks he made a beeline for me as soon as he saw me. Another interesting effect that shows you what a special place Kiev is and Slavic girls in general is that a girl I was dating saw the show I was putting on. The next time we met she tried to get all over me like an American woman would. I just went totally Slavic on her and said, so you should have join us, there was room for you. She fucked my brains out that night in jealousy. Viva la Kiev, I will be back in your warm embrace in three weeks.

Cruiser, it was my first time there and the girl was one I met at the hotel bar (where she supplements her daytime income). She took a liking to me enough to show me around town a bit, where we ended up at Arena. I was angling for a 'cheaper' experience through casual relationship, alas that didn't work out too well because she was/is nuts.

If our paths cross next month, drinks are on me if you're game.

I also use MySpace to get a feel for what these girls are like. But they are bitches even in Ukraine and Russia. They don't act like they are in a hurry to leave their country. But then again, I surfed the Czech site on MySpace before I went to Prague. The women I met in Prague were better looking and seemed more accessible than the Czechs on MySpace.

Crazy slavic girls, my favorite. I should be in Kiev on the 27th and staying for at least a month.

Which bar did you meet her at?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Crazy slavic girls, my favorite. I should be in Kiev on the 27th and staying for at least a month.

Which bar did you meet her at?[/QUOTE]

In the lobby of the President Hotel.

I've read a lot on here about bars, restaurants (TGIF seems to be the most western friendly), and night clubs. I was hoping to find something on Tato, which is suppose to be a fashion club of some sort, but didn't find anything. I was just wondering if any regulars in Kiev heard or have been there. I'm from Chicago, and have spent a lot of time in NYC and London in the past year. I'm looking for the most modern and classy nightlife that Kiev has to offer - along with the gorgeous model-thin young birds.

I'll be in Kiev from Dec 21 - Jan 11 for my first time as part of my European vacation. Would be happy to meet up for a few drinks.

[QUOTE=Banker24]I've read a lot on here about bars, restaurants (TGIF seems to be the most western friendly), and night clubs. I was hoping to find something on Tato, which is suppose to be a fashion club of some sort, but didn't find anything. I was just wondering if any regulars in Kiev heard or have been there. I'm from Chicago, and have spent a lot of time in NYC and London in the past year. I'm looking for the most modern and classy nightlife that Kiev has to offer - along with the gorgeous model-thin young birds.

I'll be in Kiev from Dec 21 - Jan 11 for my first time as part of my European vacation. Would be happy to meet up for a few drinks.[/QUOTE]

I'm not current on the Kiev scene having not been there for a few months, but I remember Tato as being pretty lame. They had a fashion show which featured sexy women, but I got nowhere when trying to talk to the models after the show. Very standoffish. Most likely already spoken for.

There were some decent normal birds there, but nothing super special.

I personally prefer Kaif, PaTiPa, Arena, 112 and Decadance... but as I said, my experience in Kiev is limited.

I sent Banker a little info about the scene.

But I would have to agree about Tato, it's never really comes up when the boys get ready for a night of carousing. Besides it's a little far out there - a little bit past the old Club 111.

Cruiser recommended clubs in Kiev. Arena, 112, Orangeina, Caribbean, PaTiPa, Shooters, the bedroom of whatever apartment I happen to be staying in. That's a mix of clubs catering to a bunch of different styles. Personally I have Banker pegged for an Arena type of guy - as far as I know outside of the privates clubs it's the #1 upscale club in Kiev, if there is something else feel free to tell me. I'm sure I left a few good ones out but those are the clubs I bump around to when I am in Kiev. If anythings changed I'll toss in an update during or after my next trip.

Orangeria burned down... there was a big black hole in the Arena complex where Orangeria used to be when I was there late summer and I was told there had recently been a fire.

Probably remonted by now, but I have no new info.

I like Arena personally and (almost) always was happy there... same with Kaif.

Orangerea is open again for some while. It was indeed closed due to renovations. The clubs Cruiser mentioned are indeed the clubs to go and the place where the action is. Besides those there are two other new clubs in Kiev that are hot at the moment. It is Forsage and Prime.
About Forsage you can find some nice movies on youtube and Prime is the new Club outside of the city centre. It is situated where Club Rink was situated before.
Personally Kaif, Forsage and Arena rule!
Cheers

Anybody on forum had any massages in Kiev ? Does anyone have my info on this?

Thanks in advance

Where is Forsage located?

Unless Prime is like River Palace of old I'm not too interested in traveling outside of the city center.

On that note is River Palace still a joke of itself?

Forsage address is Garmatnaya 51a. It's in the area of the National Aviation University.

when arena is mentioned, is everyone referring to the first floor bar or upstairs? i peeked in on the 3rd floor and it was just a casino, as far as i could tell. and the 2nd floor appeared to be more of a sitdown restaurant sort of area.

secondly, i see girls hanging at the main bar downstairs, but given the aloof nature of the ukranians, are there any signs as to who is a pro and who is just there to have a drink?
probably a dumb question. but in other places, the "eye" is always the easiest to pick up on, whereas in kiev, they don't seem to do that.

Brandon & Cruiser.

Hi Brandon, When u are on the third floor u walk through the casino towards the stairs. Of course mostly u have to pay an entrance fee before entering the casino. Walk up the stairs and you are entering the night club/disco.
The pros you will only find there. Not on the other floors. Because on Saturdays there is often the TV-show “Comedy Club” recorded, the p4p girls arrive late. Many pros are somehow easy to recognize, at least I think so. I guess most of the mongers who travel regular to Ukraine will agree with that.

Hi Cruiser, Prime is not at all like River Palace. Because it is situated more outside of the centre, hardly any p4p girls are coming there.
Most girls in the age of 18 to 25, many students like in for instance Sound Planet on Dimitrivskaya 4.
I have bin there a few Saturdays and it was always crowded. Easy to get contact with some local girls at the bar. Mostly happy to meet a foreigner. The girls on the dance floor just want to dance and nothing more ;-)

About River Palace I can’t tell you much. I did not go there for at least two years and when I was there in the past I only went for a drink with friends who wanted to see the boat. ;-) As far as I know River Palace is still just a place for girl for expensive p4p. Local girls do not go there anymore because they do not want to get associated with the p4p girls. Further only foreigners go there for this action and some rich Ukrainian businessmen go there to discuss their businesses.
So for me it is still a joke there and I don’t mind that they will close it down after the winter, like it was planed this year already.

Hi Ishmael

With regards to RP I was talking to one of the managers there yesterday and it will not close after the winter. The original plan was for a new boat to arrive in the spring but due to delays in the shipyard it is going to be business as usual for the foreseeable future. That of course means $200 for a girl or maybe $150 if you can negotiate a discount later on at night.






[QUOTE=Ismael]Brandon & Cruiser.

Hi Brandon, When u are on the third floor u walk through the casino towards the stairs. Of course mostly u have to pay an entrance fee before entering the casino. Walk up the stairs and you are entering the night club/disco.
The pros you will only find there. Not on the other floors. Because on Saturdays there is often the TV-show “Comedy Club” recorded, the p4p girls arrive late. Many pros are somehow easy to recognize, at least I think so. I guess most of the mongers who travel regular to Ukraine will agree with that.

Hi Cruiser, Prime is not at all like River Palace. Because it is situated more outside of the centre, hardly any p4p girls are coming there.
Most girls in the age of 18 to 25, many students like in for instance Sound Planet on Dimitrivskaya 4.
I have bin there a few Saturdays and it was always crowded. Easy to get contact with some local girls at the bar. Mostly happy to meet a foreigner. The girls on the dance floor just want to dance and nothing more ;-)

About River Palace I can’t tell you much. I did not go there for at least two years and when I was there in the past I only went for a drink with friends who wanted to see the boat. ;-) As far as I know River Palace is still just a place for girl for expensive p4p. Local girls do not go there anymore because they do not want to get associated with the p4p girls. Further only foreigners go there for this action and some rich Ukrainian businessmen go there to discuss their businesses.
So for me it is still a joke there and I don’t mind that they will close it down after the winter, like it was planed this year already.[/QUOTE]

Stupid question, but I can't find my answer in search. Are there many DD+ busty girls in Ukraine?

Thanks.

$200 or $150 for a girl for an hour from River Palace is a high price to pay in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]$200 or $150 for a girl for an hour from River Palace is a high price to pay in Kiev.[/QUOTE]

Damn..that's what girls in L.A charge...

$ 150 or $ 200 is way to high for one hour in Kiev!!!
Sorry to say, but people who pay this price for one hour ruin the market. Not to say that it is already ruined but for one hour the price is $ 50 - $ 80 in Kiev. Two hours $ 80 - $ 150. Nighters $ 150 - $ 250. All depending on the girl of course.

The main problem with RP is not even the price... its the attitude of the girls.

The prices aren't user-friendly either though... just like Night Flight in Moscow, unless you come there ready to throw cash around and pay $300 for 2-3 hours of fun with a pasty-faced 7, you ain't gonna have a good time. Considering taxi to and from RP will cost you about $30 and drinks + entry are also at least $50 total, a night at RP can rapidly become a $400-500 endeavour. Other options are so much more cost-effective and not nearly as demoralizing... :)

Of course you can always wait around until 4am when the girls are ready to go for less, but this in itself is degrading. In fact, that's the whole problem with RP... it's the gentlemen's club where the client is degraded and reduced to being a pocketbook... and not the way it should be... where the girl is reduced to a piece of purchasable meat... :)

Furiouz - I've been making that point on the Kiev and Moscow boards. The Ukrainian/Russian girls in the US charge $200-300/hr. Why bother leaving home...

Ismael - I find those are the current westerner prices for a guy who is smart enough not to say yes to $300/hr at Arena or RP.

Dr S - How did things go so wrong so fast, right up to Eurovision it was any girl in the club for me $150/night (0100-0600). Then the dark times started.

I always enjoyed RP as a club and I'm sure I will make a trip or two to it during my next adventure in Kiev. I'll be sure to post a report on the situation if I do. Hopefully I'll also be able to find out if Tremayne is a true ISGer or a RP KGB plant. ;)

CruiserD:

That's the thing I hate about RP most... I really WANT to like that place, but the mercenary attitude of the girls just kills my libido.

My late summer RP quotes hovered around $250/3 hours at best. I am sure that prices go down at some point, but waiting around until 4am just to save $50 is just as degrading and pathetic as paying the cash upfront. It certainly isn't going to provide the girl with increased motivation.

I figure you should budget in at least $350 all incl. for a night at RP and if you don't want to spend that much, you should do something else.

The negotiation at RP is definitely becoming tougher, the more times I go there. On saturday night, for instance, prices ranged from 300 Euros (yeah ! who the hell gets that) to $200.00 -- and yes, it all depends on the time.

But if you are having a good time (standing back at the bar) then time flies !! and the place clears out pretty quickly at around 3am. I "pounced" at about 3:30am onto a blonde (must have been a good 7 in looks, and 7.5 in body) .... for $100 !!! And that ended with her leaving apt at 1pm only when Mom called to say she was locked out of some abode having lost the key !!!

So, it is all in the negotiation and time -- but we should somehow get together to get some order into the structure !! (not likely of course).

The Kiev English paper has some interesting classifieds -- and those prices are a lot more reasonable -- like $70.00 to $80.00 for one hour. If you can travel "sight unseen" then this is not a bad option. I did ask the operator what if I don't like what I see -- she told me "give her 20 grivnas for the taxi and she will leave immediately". I am staying in an apartment without a door viewing mechanism !!! but took the chance and was most impressed.

Honestly -- there are not too many bad looking women in the game ..... so take the chance and drive the prices down at RP.

I did try the other route to market -- making contact on other sites, sending email and then arranging a meeting place. This is difficult because of the language and then again, not ensuring of bed action afterwards. Those ladies are looking for green cards and husbands.

Got 2 nights to go -- maybe Arena tonight for a cold beer and food, with the added value of seeing who else is loitering around the bar in the middle of the ground floor restaurant -- and by the way, the food is pretty decent too.

Anyone around ? lets meet for a beer

Ifnot

[QUOTE=Ifnot] I "pounced" at about 3:30am onto a blonde (must have been a good 7 in looks, and 7.5 in body) .... for $100 !!! And that ended with her leaving apt at 1pm only when Mom called to say she was locked out of some abode having lost the key !!!

Ifnot[/QUOTE]

That was inspiring and restored my faith in microeconomic theory!

::cough cough::

Hanging around RP till the wee hours of the morning is generally a waste of time. I don't know who is more desperate - the guy looking to score a deal or the girl waiting for the Dnipro metro to open. I've scoped that scene after a very heavy and rare night of drinking. The best I'll do is $150 for a few hours maybe $200 if she is super hot.

If you want to view a selection type situation try the apartments between 2100-2300. You get more bang for the buck if you know a little Rus.

70-80 for an hour? That's pretty good. I really need to tag along with you guys next time I'm in town.

Having been here (now a third time) I really have to admit that this Kiev is not going to get a listing on my "favourite locations". Without a basic knowledge of the language this is a tough city -- almost a torture test !! The people generally are very much in your face (which could be interpreted as rude) but they too, generally are leading tough lives and it certainly shows.

Kiev is as far east as I have experienced -- and am looking forward to a Moscow visit soon, but I am sure, pretty much the same.

This is the only city that I have visited where every cab destination is a negotiation !! and the prices vary dramatically. Hardly any english spoken by these drivers, so be warned, take a business card of the residence to show the driver, because you will need to negotiate the rate.

Example -- from the Premier Palace Hotel to RP, I have been quoted from 80 down to 22 grivnas .... so I took the 22 rate, took the dudes card, called him back 3 hours later and came back for 25 !!! I am staying in a very nice apartment block (Pyrohova Street) north of the PPalace ... this is a complex that was fully renovated one year ago, and a lot of the international embassy and consulate staff stay here.

This must be a decent area because there is a very fancy restaurant/coffee shop across the street, that had a Lamborghini, BMW, Mercedes (fancier models) and a Porsche parked outside it on Sunday. Some young kid was taking a picture of the Lambo and was nearly assualted by the bodyguard. Who the hell goes out for lunch and takes a guard to watch his car ???

This is a tough location for a business trip -- my two business meetings today were exhausting with simultaneous translations ... but these guys are obviously getting it right .. for now they are "western wannabees" and so are the ladies. The ladies come in two versions, outright beautiful and very shit.
And you will not find a good looking one older than 35 -- they seem to balloon up after 30 !!

My jacket was stolen off me after leaving in the coat check at one of the clubs. Gone !! and nobody spoke enough english to care. So, telling them that I was a visitor/consultant for a major brand company I insisted that someone call the police ! That was an experience. Nobody cared -- they either got bigger shit to worry about, or I just did not know the game (and hand over cash for action). The investigating officer suggested I go to the station in the morning with an interpreter !! It was an interesting experience --so be warned, never leave anything with anybody. Luckily I took both my cellphones, and Palm out of my jacket, so that is all I lost (I was starting to dislike the fucking thing anyways).

The tough life has made them all thieves and negotiators -- sad actually. This is another society of "have's" and "have not's". fuck them all they can have it. I will spend my money in Asia where shit like this (probably) happens but not so outrightly. Fuck them all .... cunts the lot of them.

I popped into the Arena bar tonight having had a burger (or so they call it) at TGI Fridays. The best part of it was the waitress who spoke perfect english.
At arena, the inventory was low -- did see a fucked drunk Japanese, who could not even stand straight, having his German associate negotiate for him -- and all I heard was "$300 for 2 hours" .... the fucking drunk Jap is bound to be robbed !! I nearly warned him, but thought fuck that, take your Yen and run .... she was a not bad looker, but obviously embarrased while these two drunk cunts made their thoughts known in public. I mean, even this business has some rules !!

So, for any newbies out there -- beware ! Look after your personal belongings, wear a jacket with zipper pockets -- also good for the gypsie kid assualts on the street, who shove roses and chewing gum in your face as soon as they can, with the front dude keeping you busy while the others ruffle your back pocket. Look out boys, this is a tough one !!

Be safe and secure ... rather than jacketless like I am

cunts all of them
I am outa here wednesday and cannot wait.

Gentlemen, fellow Mongers!

I was hope all of you Kiev pros like Doctor_Skank and Cruiser D could help me out with a little info.

I’m headed to Kiev and will be in town on Dec 26th. Originally I had my Russian girlfriend from Latvia going with me, but she decided to be in love with someone else (bigger pocket book I’m guessing) and split on me. So, I’m going stag, so I’ll be on the prowl, I’ll probably have a better time anyway.

I’ve done Riga Latvia, Krakow Poland in EE for mongering, both were totally played out. Riga was good before they started having all these big world events there. I’ve done all of Asia, but unfortunately those skills outside of bartering for price are useless in Europe.

So, what I usually like to do is get a girl before I go out for an hour or two and then go hunt for free pussy. I’m 33 sometimes its hit and miss, but I’ll pull some every now and then.

So here are my questions:

Where is a good place to start the night? Preferably a place with English speakers, like an Irish pub or something would be nice.

What’s a good service provider that I can get girls to come to my apartment for $100 to $150 an hour? Gia maybe?

What clubs have p4p girls in them close to Kreshchatyk?

Are there any places that I should stay away from, like rip-off joints?

If one of you guys could take the time to answer these questions, I’d sure grateful, and would buy you a beer in your in Kiev if you are there same time as me. (26Dec-4Jan).

After reading Ifnot’s message, I will for sure be bringing more then one jacket with me!

Wolf -- it might be interesting to know if these half-wits spend time with families over the Xmas period -- probably so, but they need your cash so I am sure you will find the usual losers in all the bars/haunts mentioned on this board. I assume you speak a smattering of russian ? so I am sure you will be OK .... there are basically NO rip off joints per se, they all have the same prices .... but get a copy of the English Kiev paper, and see the classifieds. You will find adequate english speakers (afterall they know their market, advertise there, and provide english speakers) on the phone .... and you will be pleasantly surprised with the value (price to service), and go from there.

Gia is pretty consistent from what others have reported and what they quoted me. But if that is your gig then go for it.

keep your wallet, jacket, camera, cell phone, watch, ring safe .... but keep your condomes handy !!

Have a good time (if you can) in the pit city of the world !!

There must be a few of us who want to avoid Christmas in the Western world? PM me if you're in town and we'll grab a Slavutich or two.

Personally my stocking always gets filled in Kiev, not London... :)

I will be in Kiev on Dec 28th for a month or so.

If anyone is interested in meeting let me know. I would be more then happy to draw you a map of the local attractions on a Friday's cocktail napkin.

Just a note to all running to the nearest phone to book a flight to Kiev to spend some time with me. The Holidays - Dec 29th to Jan 8th are some of the slowest times in Kiev. I actually promised myself last year I would skip the Holidays in Kiev but I already have a present or two waiting underneath my tree in Kiev.

If anyone is interested in meeting PM and I'll PM my mobile number back.

Hohoho...

So everyone has a first impression. My first impression of Kiev was pretty good. It hasn't even been a day yet and I've seen a lot of what this city has. So the taxi driver that I arranged ahead was a shy but nice guy. He later drove me around for free. My total bill was $25 from airport to apartment and then a drive from Independance Square back to my apartment which is at just two blocks south of Arena. So I come back to the apartment to settle the balance, and lo and behold, a hot chick is the translator. Long story short, she's hot but very prude. She recommended me places and we walked up and down main street, but she doesn't go to clubs herself cause she's a smart girl - more of a homebody or the type that just sits around and not eat, cuz she's pretty skinny too.

So the Arena seemed like a cool place/location. Semi-nice attempt at having a nice mall there too. There are a lot more nice cars here than I thought there would be. Nothing compared to London in terms of Phantom, Lamborgini, or Ferreri sightings per day ratio... but still a lot of Benz and Lexus... even Porsche....

Anyhow, now that the early evening is done and my translator/customer service rep has gone home after "working", I'll hit up maybe TGIF/Arena. Though, I think the Forsage place is awesome, I have no idea where it is in relations to where I am, and I haven't seen the classic places yet. Definitely need to go to Forsage soon though cuz I think the uni girls will be more my type.

To the comment about a stolen jacket: Thank You. Unless I am in a Mayfair club in London or midtown Manhatten. I will never check my coat, scarf, or gloves... thanks for confirming that decision. I lost my $200 scarf in the best club in Oxford just a month ago and that pist the shit out of me too. Now, I have a $10 temporary substitute to go with my designer suit. :-/

[QUOTE=Ifnot]Gia is pretty consistent from what others have reported and what they quoted me. But if that is your gig then go for it.

keep your wallet, jacket, camera, cell phone, watch, ring safe .... but keep your condomes handy !!

Have a good time (if you can) in the pit city of the world !![/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Ifnot,

If Ukrainians are as bad as you say I won’t feel bad exploiting them, I have the same opinion on South Korea. That’s thing about places like this, there dishonest, and cut throat. Kiev does not seem to be a good place to go if don’t have experience. I’ve been to some of the finer crap holes in this world for work and play; I hope I’ll be able to manage. I live in West Europe were the sex industry is totally regulated and efficient, it’s alright but I like EE better, even though there’s the chance of getting ripped off.

Will I end up eating my words, yeah it’s quite possible, but I hope for the best. I love banging young Slavic chicks so I’m willing to take the chance.

I’m going to check out the English newspaper for the ads, thanks for the tip.

I've been reading various postings over the last few weeks or so..that over the Xmas & New Year Holidays in Kiev (23rd Dec-3rd Jan) doesn't reach all expectations for Partying? As the Russians celebrate the Festive Season on the second week in Janurary? (12 Jan-14th Jan) As this would be maybe a better week to go there?

Can anyone provide valid info on this subject Plzz.

Many thanks,

TB

[QUOTE=Tartan Boy]I've been reading various postings over the last few weeks or so..that over the Xmas & New Year Holidays in Kiev (23rd Dec-3rd Jan) doesn't reach all expectations for Partying? As the Russians celebrate the Festive Season on the second week in Janurary? (12 Jan-14th Jan) As this would be maybe a better week to go there?

Can anyone provide valid info on this subject Plzz.

Many thanks,

TB[/QUOTE]

My client in Kiev tells me that Jan 1-Jan 8 is the general holiday, for what that's worth.

[QUOTE=Tartan Boy]I've been reading various postings over the last few weeks or so..that over the Xmas & New Year Holidays in Kiev (23rd Dec-3rd Jan) doesn't reach all expectations for Partying? As the Russians celebrate the Festive Season on the second week in Janurary? (12 Jan-14th Jan) As this would be maybe a better week to go there?

Can anyone provide valid info on this subject Plzz.

Many thanks,

TB[/QUOTE]

The holidays in general, whether western or Ukrainian, are a slower time than during normal season. The only large party is on New Years... on most of the other days people go home to be with their families, which for many Kiev students means leaving Kiev. Things normalise after about Jan 14.

This doesnt mean its going to be bad from Jan 1-8, but many places will be slower than usual.

I have been in Kiev for two NYE's (soon to be three). It's the smallest celebratation of any major city I have been in during NYE. Sure there are festive events going on but nothing generally wild - you want wild in Kiev go in May-June.

The commercialized Christmas ethos (December 25th) seems to be creeping into Kiev slowly but surely - I'll never forget the look on a gold diggers face when I told her Christmas should be about being together with family and loved ones - not about giving presents. Otherwise the Holidays are Dec 31st-Jan 1st New Years and Orthodox Christmas on what, Jan 7th? As Brandon pointed out Jan 1st-8th are considered a general holiday. Old New Years, which Tartan mentioned about the 2nd week in Jan isn't much of a celebration - just another excuse to get drunk. ;)

Speaking of celebrating... There were two occasions recently that took me by surprise...

Fireworks! The first occasion was a Saturday night in late November, where K-street was lit up for about 20 minutes. Then again in early December on a Weds night about the same. First time, someone mentioned a wedding. Second time, I have no idea (assuming nobody gets married on Weds). I hit the deck thinking there was shelling going on around 9-10pm. Really low airbursts that echo'd off the buildings. Very surprising.

Thanks to ALL who gave me info on the above subject. It was a great help guys CHEERS! And especially to the one and only "Doctor_Skank" who I'm sure you'll all agree, who's posting on this website have become Legendary!

As they say in Auld Caledonia here (ancient Scotland)

Happy New Year tae one and awe!

TB

Now being a totally single guy again I hope to be back to meeting these wonderful FULFILLING young 'things'! As I live here it is much easier even if I am 50, big, fat & ugly! Ha "it's the charm and personality" OH YEAH. The English helps a lot!

Actually when I conduct English conversation classes for a local school I find 90% of students are ladies. And they are usually OPEN for meeting later. Hardly ever do I not get a mobile # if I ask!

So any way. Christmas Eve I was feeling very LONELY and missing my former live in girlfriend of 16 months. You get used to a person that long and then she tells you she just wants ya as a friend so of course you are lonely. Since I moved out only a week ago and have not found MY apartment yet I am staying in a room with friends. So I had booked a daily apartment for the night in hopes of convincing HER to stay with me for 'old times sake'? Maybe MY Christmas Present? BUT NO SUCH LUCK!

So plan be. And well I got to say IT was a nice surprise! In dealing with my 'split up' I was into drinking & partying in Arena a lot. Actually the Casino. Here I met one of the Playboy Bunnies they were promoting. Nice young TEENAGER with nose and tongue piercing. Never have had that! So I had collected her mobile and over the past 4 weeks we had met 3 or 4 times to just talk. Actually was trying to meet her mama. 37 and a knock-out! Mother & Daughter go to DISCO together! Maybe a 'mother. Daughter' act is in the future?

So I call 'M' and invite the 18 yr old to Sushi at Yakatoria close to the rented apartment. She came all excited as it was Sunday and she had nothing to do! Long story short, I convinced her to come with me to make some photos! She didn't even mind that I had to use a 'disposable' camera. After more Champaign and some nice kissing, I get her done to just her sexy red thing! Some of the nicest breasts I have touched in a long time! I told 'M' of my goal & desire to experience a tongue ring! The smile, that utterly devilish smile almost made my heart skip! She said "its even better than the stories YOU hear" and she proceeded to undo my jeans and right there knelt before me and. Well, it had been weeks since I had ANY female attention and it was all over in less than 2 minutes! WoW! Of course I wanted to return the favor, but she persisted in telling me she has never gone further than giving 'head' and herself just being touched? She said she was a VIRGIN! And I guess I believe her! She is very sweet, and has never asked me for anything, presents or $$. She just swallowed it all and smiled saying. Merry Christmas!

Around 11: 45 I put her into a taxi and she kissed be good bye! I slept the best I had in almost 2 months! THANKS SANTA, I NEEDED THAT!

LS Guy

Ps. I will get photos developed and told M I would show her first, then I told her about this site. We will meet soon with Internet to look. I think she will allow some SPECIAL photos! SHE IS ONE HOTT BODY!

PPS. THE 'RING' THING IS REALLY 'all its cracked up to be!

Also January 13th is another new year in the Russian calender!

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I have been in Kiev for two NYE's (soon to be three). It's the smallest celebratation of any major city I have been in during NYE. Sure there are festive events going on but nothing generally wild - you want wild in Kiev go in May-June.

The commercialized Christmas ethos (December 25th) seems to be creeping into Kiev slowly but surely - I'll never forget the look on a gold diggers face when I told her Christmas should be about being together with family and loved ones - not about giving presents. Otherwise the Holidays are Dec 31st-Jan 1st New Years and Orthodox Christmas on what, Jan 7th? As Brandon pointed out Jan 1st-8th are considered a general holiday. Old New Years, which Tartan mentioned about the 2nd week in Jan isn't much of a celebration - just another excuse to get drunk. ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf3566]

I love young Slavic chicks so I’ll check the English newspaper for the ads.

[/QUOTE]

Maybe you'll get lucky.

Remember that the "ads", while there are 15 to 20 different ones,
are really all the same agency. When you ask them for "young",
expect about 24 years old. Also expect quality range about 5 or 6
out of 10. Expect price $75 to $120 per hour, minimum 2 hours.

Just get prepared by drinking mass quantities of vodka, so you
won't care how low you lower your expectations/standards, and
you'll have a great time.

Man, I have been 'couped' up too long playing the GOOD little Boy Friend!!!

Monday - USA Christmas which means 'kakashka' here, is just another day in Kiev! Actually I was scheduled for 2 - two hour conversations lessons at a local University! As I found myself with a small cold and sore throat I stopped into the local 'Slum' bar/kafe! Now don't get me wrong... these are OK places - I just call 'em Slum as the prices are WAY cheap and you meet the Locals!!!

So I was sitting with my usual pivo and cognac (this time for Medicinal purposes) about the only guy in here at 13:30, minding my own biz & reading a book when this mid twenties gal walks in and then over to my table and asks in broken English if she can sit?? Of course.

Ok guys, IF ya have never ventured out from center much YOU are missing a lot in my opinion. But then I understand, I have ALL the free time in the world to do this....

So this Lumilla, points to my pivo and then to herself and says "Happy Birthday to me!" Di' vye? (give me) I pull out a 10 spot (grivna) and make her go get 2 pivos - I LUV IT! "I'll BUY if you FLY"

She comes back with my Chernigivskaya Bele & her draft of Obolon - and change!! ha ha

So we try to talk? I find out she has apartment just 4 minutes away and wants me to come to go eat some birthday food? But as I noticed her rather large breasts - bra-less - with puffy nipples I am imagining its for other reasons!

We finish the brews, and in 10 minutes we are inside and she is wanting me to touch her. She also indicates 100 grivna so she can go out! I've got only 30 minutes so we head to the bathroom and she begins to soap IT up, wash IT, dry IT, kiss IT, and in 10 minutes SWALLOW it all!

This chick is only 5 minutes from the place I am staying, and at 100 grivna a pop I think I will be a Happy Morning guy until I move to the new apartment!

Of course she is not 'girlfriend' material, but nice, young, close, cheap and available!

Sorry no pics with this one, but yes I do believe there is a

SANTA CLAUS!

Happy Holidays!

LS Guy

[QUOTE=Wolf3566]Gentlemen, fellow Mongers!

What’s a good service provider that I can get girls to come to my apartment for $100 to $150 an hour? Gia maybe?[/QUOTE]Hey Wolf3566. As for gia - I use them from time to time because it's much better to use someone you trust then some one-day agency. I used to have sex with freebies but not anymore, because you rarely get what you see. Recently took this one [url]www.gia.com.ua/girl/lilia/[/url]
Very nice young body and face. She didn't look like a *****, just a young student. We had very good time together although there was a little minus - she speaks almost no English :( but good fuck anyway ;)

[QUOTE=ChrisForSex]Hey Wolf3566. As for gia - I use them from time to time because it's much better to use someone you trust then some one-day agency. I used to have sex with freebies but not anymore, because you rarely get what you see. Recently took this one [url]www.gia.com.ua/girl/lilia/[/url]
Very nice young body and face. She didn't look like a *****, just a young student. We had very good time together although there was a little minus - she speaks almost no English :( but good fuck anyway ;)[/QUOTE]


Oh my. Were the Gia photos accurate? What was the damage?

There is one thing I have never done and always wanted to - a mother, daughter combo. Sister-sister is easy, done the sister-sister twin thing too (never really a fantasy of mine).

Do you have a number I can call Life? I'll be in Kiev tomorrow. If they know about ISG I am sure that they are up for p4p - if they haven't done it before already.

You never had a BJ with a girl with a tongue piercing? I take it you weren't in the US during the 90's - every girl had one back then.

Ooh, the nightmare of excrutiating work is over, and I finally have time to go to EU again. It's been almost a year, and I've really missed the girls, and I've even missed you guys. I'll be in Kiev for two weeks, Jan 21 to Feb 4th, plus a couple of days in Moscow before Kiev, if anybody wants to hang out together.

While I read through a year of posts, can anyone give me a quick rundown of where things stand in Kiev?

Also what's the situation with short-term apartments? I used to rent from apartments.com.ua and while they were all right I was never completely happy with them. Anybody have any recommendations for me?

Mongering SUCKED last month.

(though I was only one night on the way in, and one on the way out)

Can only recommend do NOT call any numbers from What's On,
Kiev-x.com, or Kiev Post

SEE FULL REPORT BELOW - JUST ADDING PHOTOS HERE!

'M Girl' met me and WE looked at some photos. We then went to internet cafe and I showed her ISG!

She was shocked! I then explained just how much $$ a sweet, sexy, NICE thing like her could make amd she was more shocked!

Am I corrupting a minor?

She agreed to 2 spruced up photos - so we scanned and I edited as best I could with Paint!

I will keep working on her, she trusts ME (because I am such a SLOW moving guy, 3 meetings just to drink something and talk, many SMS saying hello - kak dela?)

As for meeting Mama, she says there is a boyfriend and Mama speaks no English!

I'm with ya Cruiser. A Mother - Daughter would be absolutely awssome!

LS Guy

PS - Sorry for the fuzzy'ness! I need a camera!

Dear Lifesavour,

Thank's for your pics.

I'm afraid I don't know if you're corrupting a minor (but I strongly advise you to know as soon as possible, just for your safety), but I'm pretty sure you're corrumpting the "soul" of club ISG.

Of course you, as all of us, are free to do what you want, but I think it's not very intelligent to show this "hidden gem" to the "enemy". I think I'm not a misogynist, but one of main advantages of these forums is to share information, without women knowing we know about her "national" tricks. This forum shows as much about factual experiencies, as about men's mentality. Showing this to girls, offers them a competitive advantage, and they have enough without your help!! Did you listen about dis-information? maybe we can suffer from it in the future...Your girl has friends, these friends have friends, and so on...Once you begin, you can't control it...

If you want to excite or "corrup" a woman, there are many other webs you can show her, and many of them are written here.

Please, don't show your (and ours) cards.

Best wishes.

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]SEE FULL REPORT BELOW - JUST ADDING PHOTOS HERE!

'M Girl' met me and WE looked at some photos. We then went to internet cafe and I showed her ISG!

[/QUOTE]

Why you want to do that LS? I am sure many girls know about ISG already, but spreading the word to our opponent just makes our fight more difficult/expensive. Exposure does not help the cause. It's like treason.

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]

I showed her ISG!

She was shocked!

I explained $$, sex could make more!

Am I corrupting a universe of monger belance!

[/QUOTE]

Showing a nice girl the ISG is as bad as it gets.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Showing a nice girl the ISG is as bad as it gets.[/QUOTE]So if I show a BAD girl the site it's as GOOD as it gets?

PS - Don't alter my reports and say it's my quote!

LS Guy

New site escort service [url]http://www.sextravel.com.ua/[/url]

Only real foto all girls.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F44ALNDWrGU[/url]

hilarious...

[QUOTE=Delgado][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F44ALNDWrGU[/url]

hilarious...[/QUOTE]Great video and actually pretty damn good advice! If you’ve never been to Kiev you should watch this before going.

[QUOTE=Delgado][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F44ALNDWrGU[/url]

hilarious...[/QUOTE]

The part where he mentions the hotel girls - spot on, but I was surprised about his next comment...that the escorts who come by car are actually cheaper. I was outside waiting for someone one night and observed a car with 4 amazing blondes pull up, 2 hotel guests came out and had a look, then sent one or two packing. If these are actually cheaper then the hotel girls, I would be amazed!

By the way, are their any girls on the street around Kreshatik (sorry about the spelling)?

* This report is meant for newbies to Kiev like I was, not old pros!

Just spent a few days in Kiev, and it wasn’t what I expected at all. Allot of you were right when you said that the town was dead this time of year, it was! I was one of the few Westerners in the town as far as I could tell. Normally this would be a good thing, but in Kiev it just makes you more of a target, anyway here are my observations.

First the bad:

You need to speak Russian, even simple conversation skills would be good. I only speak a few words and it was not enough. Almost all of the other foreigners had translators or sponsored girls with them. If you can’t speak Russian or hire someone who can, don’t go to Kiev!

The town is huge, you can’t just walk around it like you’re in Riga or Prague, and you will need taxis, which are allot of trouble if you don’t speak Russian. There is no centralized bar area.

Kiev caters to business people not regular tourists. The town is not cheap the way you would think it would be. $300 a day will barely get you laid, feed, and drunk, and that's not including accommodations.

There’s allot people who try to scam you at all times. It could be a simple as not giving your change back, to even more mean spirited shit. Here’s a scam to watch out for. When you are walking and see someone drop money in front of you, just leave it on the ground! DO NOT TOUCH IT! I tried to return it and was accused of stealing part of it. Luckily I got away by going into a restaurant, and asking the manager for help. They did not follow me inside. I met a another guy who had the same scam pulled and he said he got surrounded by two other guys, one he thought was a fake cop and he got them to go away after giving them $20. A stripper I talked too said they always do this scam with Westerners, and it’s quite common.

Reviews:

River Palace: Of course I had to go here, after reading about it on the ISG. Really weird place, this must be Russian style, because of I’ve never seen anything like it. I was there about 2300. Lots of super hot chicks even a few tens that were just sitting around and waiting for you to talk to them. I was quoted $300 for two hours from an eight and $600 for all night with a ten. Decided to leave alone and hit up a strip club after that. Also seems like reserving a table is a must if you want to stay there.

Penthouse Strip Club: This place was not too bad, lots of 8s and 9s. A few English speaking chicks. Allot of Russian speaking business suit types tossing around U.S. Dollars. I got a girl I would rank 81/2 out for $300, she was supposed to stay for with me for 4 hours, but left after I got two shots in her after an hour and half. Yes, ripped off again, I suppose I had this one coming to me!

Another time, I called one of the escort numbers out of the back of "What’s On Kiev magazine," got sent a chubby blonde for $130 for two hours. She spoke good English, and proceeded to tell me her life story, suffice to say I sent her home early after taking my frustrations out on her.

GIA Girls Escorts: These guys are on the level, and I was not disappointed. I had Dasha, [url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/dasha/[/url] she was fantastic! Two hours for about $180. Got 4 shots in, gave her real workout. Has the best tits, I almost thought they were fake.

After finishing up with Dasha, I tried to go to Area on a Thursday night. Got denied at the door. I was wearing business casual, no tie, just a silk shirt and slacks. I stood back a watched who they were letting in, nothing but men in full suit and ties, and women in evening gowns, might have been a special occasion. Also the service in the sports bar bellow was terrible.

Club 112: I went here after not being able to get into Arena. It seemed alright, this is where all of the other foreigners seemed to be at. Lots of girls, as far as I could tell most seemed to be pros, didn't find any English or German speakers. Lots of guys with sponsored girls laying all over them. Had a few beers and went home.

I rented an apartment from Kiev Grata Apartments [url]http://www.accommodation.kiev.ua/[/url] nice place on 3 Bassina for $65 a day. They even gave me a refund when I left early. Honest business as far as I can tell.

To answer a few questions I’ve seen, I never saw any street walkers on Kreshatik, and you can get U.S. one hundred dollar bills out of all ATMs.

I don’t think I’ll go back on unless I go with a friend. I was in way over my head with this place (didn’t know what was going on except what I read on ISG). It was so boring in the daytime, there was almost nothing to do. Unlike other tourist’s places, other tourists there were not very friendly, so unless you have a girl or are with a friend you’ll be sitting alone allot. For the amount of money I spent, I could have more fun and fucking in Germany or in Holland where I live. I ended up cutting my trip short by 5 days, and don’t regret it.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Fellow mongers,

Of course the Kiev section on this ISG forum is great. It helps and will help many people now and in the future.
But I notice that many mongers often pay too much, because of not knowing the real prices in Kiev and not knowing where to hunt! Also I noticed that a lot of people got disappointed because of a fake picture on the net or a girl not offering what is written in her advertisement.

DO UKRAINIAN OR RUSSIAN MEN PAY THE SAME???
And what do they think of the girls in their own city???
Why they hardly never use River Palace or the phone numbers in What’s On, Kiev Post or Kiev Weekly?

So to share experiences and give answers to above mentioned questions they also have a forum on the net. :-)...... (and after a very very long search I found it with some help....spasibo Dmitri)

The forumsite which will bring you to the best in Kiev is for free !!!!

• Reports (short and long);
• Possibilities with the girls;
• All prices;
• Pictures or detailed description;
• Real or fake;
• 1 hour, 2 hours, nighters;
• Which girls to avoid!!;
• All phone numbers!!!;
• Clasno Search engine (anal, toys, age, blond, brown whatever);
• Links to other sites and forums!;
• Few reports of other cities and towns in Ukraine and abroad.

The only disadvantage of the site (for non Russian speaking mongers) is that it is in Russian and some reports in Ukrainian. But this will help a lot: [url]http://translate.google.com/translate_t[/url] It translates about 95% of the whole site :-)

Many mongers helped me here in the past when I needed info about Ukraine. THANKS FOR THAT!!!!
Because of my business I have the chance to travel twice a month to Kiev and other cities in Ukraine. I do this since 2002 and consider myself as an experienced monger on the fields which are discussed here. ;-)) So now is the chance to do something back.

So all Senior members or members with more then 25 reports can write me a PM or leave their email address and I will send the Link.

I WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

Regarding your report:

"River Palace: Of course I had to go here, after reading about it on the ISG. Really weird place, this must be Russian style, because of I’ve never seen anything like it. I was there about 2300. Lots of super hot chicks even a few tens that were just sitting around and waiting for you to talk to them. I was quoted $300 for two hours from an eight and $600 for all night with a ten. Decided to leave alone and hit up a strip club after that. Also seems like reserving a table is a must if you want to stay there.

Penthouse Strip Club: This place was not too bad, lots of 8s and 9s. A few English speaking chicks. Allot of Russian speaking business suit types tossing around U.S. Dollars. I got a girl I would rank 81/2 out for $300, she was supposed to stay for with me for 4 hours, but left after I got two shots in her after an hour and half. Yes, ripped off again, I suppose I had this one coming to me".

My comments:

I have not personally been to River Palace during the last 6 months. The highest price I ever heard there before was 500 for all night, but that was a single case. Except for that I never heard more than 300 and usually you can get them down. Is the situation now really like 300 for 2 hours and >500 for all night?? Has anybody else recent experience from RP?

[QUOTE=Wolf3566]* This report is meant for newbies to Kiev like I was, not old pros!

Penthouse Strip Club: This place was not too bad, lots of 8s and 9s. A few English speaking chicks. Allot of Russian speaking business suit types tossing around U.S. Dollars. I got a girl I would rank 81/2 out for $300, she was supposed to stay for with me for 4 hours, but left after I got two shots in her after an hour and half. Yes, ripped off again, I suppose I had this one coming to me!/QUOTE]Where is Penthouse Strip Club? I had personally some excellent, some less good experiences with strip Clubs "Millenium" in Hotel Dniepr as well as "Mexico", on Kreschtyk. Did you check other strip clubs in addition to Penthouse? I have not been in the strip clubs during the autumn, but paid 400 for all night in "Millenium" for a 9-10 a year ago. Last spring it cost 300 in "Mexico" for all night. "Mexico" is also far cheaper when it comes to drinks etc., including ladies drinks. Unfortunately the quality of girls in "Mexico" is very variable, from some real gems to all girls being totally with any appeal.

I find strip clubs now and then to be funny, and the good thing is you see exactly what you get, and you can sit there talking with them and get some contact before you decide.

Anybody else with recent information about strip clubs in Kiev?

Hey Wolf - your report is basically right on. Kiev isn't for the casual (or cheap)sex tourist anymore. Sorry to hear you got taken in by the dropped wallet scam - there is actually a story about that in December's issue of the Ukrainian Observer, it's classic EE.

You really don't need to speak Russian - I don't, but you do need to know what is going on so it is kind of a catch 22.

I thought I had given you my mobile in Kiev? You should have called or sms'ed. I would have helped to salvage some of your trip. I have already helped out one ISG'er who had a really bad experience and was going to cut his trip short. Nice to hear the apartment agency refunded the days you didn't stay. That is extremely unusual.

Good report - it gives a very accurate picture of what is going on in Kiev for the casual traveler.

The wallet scam...

I had a couple of related experiences that I thought were kind of funny.

Once in Kiev I was walking towards the metro station (one of the non-central ones in the north, forgot the name) and saw a 100 griv bill on the ground... without pausing I swooped down and picked it up and kept walking, got on the train and left. Only afterwards did I stop to think it may have been this dropped money scam... but in retrospect I think I just got lucky and found 100 griv. In any case I was so focused on making it to my date in time that I ignored everyone around me.... maybe there were some goons yelling at me I didn't even notice... :)

In Moscow walking on Tverskaya somebody in front of me dropped a 1000 ruble bill and I picked it up and yelled at the guy who dropped it, but he just kept walking, so I kept that one too...

As for Kiev not being monger-friendly, I find the city itself to be considerably easier to navigate than Moscow with English only, but it's true that any amount of Russian will help you in all aspects of daily life, including mongering. Mongering in EE is very different than mongering in Europe or Asia for that matter... no matter where you go in EE successful mongering depends on a lot of self-initiative and some experience, particularly in negotiation which is further compounded by the inability or unwillingness of some hos to speak English. Rarely are things simply "put on the menu" as they would be in a German FKK or ho-filled HK or Pattaya beer bar. For me, that's part of the charm...

...that said, I personally believe Kiev is still quite easy to navigate compared to many other EE cities. I had no problems even years ago with little experience and almost no Russian. The only annoyance now is the price increase and performance issues... such as the increasing prevalence of CBJ vs. BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Wolf3566]* This report is meant for newbies to Kiev like I was, not old pros!

Just spent a few days in Kiev, and it wasn’t what I expected at all. [/QUOTE]
Wolf:

Thanks for your candid report. Sorry you didn't enjoy Kiev. I honestly don't think it's as difficult as you say, but perhaps I have lost the newbie perspective. In any case, your report definitely helps balance our impression of Kiev.

English vs. Russian:

You don't absolutely NEED Russian, but it certainly does help especially in daily life situations (taxis or shopping) and in identifying and picking up pros. More English is spoken in Kiev than many other EE places I've been to however.

Taxis:

Yes, unless you stay only on Kreshatik or in the Bessarabsky area, you'll need to use taxis. Speaking English only will double your costs. That said, it is possible to monger and have fun just staying a pedestrian on Kresh with an occasional taxi jaunt to RP, which every taxi driver knows in any language.

Prices:
You can get be for less than $300/day easily enough... but sticking to high-priced RP and escort pros will blow your budget. Eating/drinking on Kreshatik is almost at European levels in terms of price. If you are into incall pro service in your own apartment as I am, $100/2 hours is the minimum. Many agencies at this price.

River Palace:

It's part of the tour. I don't hate it, but rarely enjoy myself there. Still, it is a place everybody should go to and get their own impression.

Arena:

There must have been a special function that night. They let every passably-dressed foreigner in normally.

112:

That place seems to be more and more ho-oriented form the reports I've read... anybody have more info? I've never personally met a pro there myself.

Daytime activities:

Go to a museum or take a walk on the hill. There is no reason to be bored in Kiev at any time of day or night.

Apartment refund:

You got lucky. Refunds are usually not given in EE... not because the agencies are necessarily out to scam you, but because they probably already paid the owner of the flat and that money they ain't getting back. Perhaps it was one of the agency's own flats.

I have been 3 times in the "112" bar and it was obvious that 6-8 girls were working (looking for eye contacts, smiling...).

Two of them came to me later and after the classic introduction (where are you coming from?, is it your first time in Kiev?, what are you doing in Kiev, business or holidays?, are you here alone?,where are you staying, hotel or appartement?) they quoted me USD 250 for the night, USD 150 for short time (2-3 hours).

[QUOTE=MarkABC]I have been 3 times in the "112" bar and it was obvious that 6-8 girls were working (looking for eye contacts, smiling...).

Two of them came to me later and after the classic introduction (where are you coming from?, is it your first time in Kiev?, what are you doing in Kiev, business or holidays?, are you here alone?,where are you staying, hotel or appartement?) they quoted me USD 250 for the night, USD 150 for short time (2-3 hours).[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info!

How was the quality appearance-wise? Did you ever go this route?

I think if a girl in a bar opens the conversation with "is this your first time in Kiev" you can almost be guaranteed she's a pro...

[QUOTE=MarkABC]I have been 3 times in the "112" bar and it was obvious that 6-8 girls were working (looking for eye contacts, smiling...).[/QUOTE]At what time of the night is good to go to 112 and look for pros? I have personally never been there, what is the address? Some alternatives to RP might be good. I have also found pros working in Deja Vu, 1-2-3 sit in the bar from around 8 pm. The quality is usually not impressive, but I have been lucky.

Hello,

112 bar has gone from good to bad. Over the summer the ratio was 50/50 pro/non pro but comments here are accurate. It is now mostly pro except maybe on a Thursday which is "ladies" night.

Prices qouted were 200/250 but fell to 100 rather quickly and it's a much better buyers market now as there are fewer toursts.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Good report - it gives a very accurate picture of what is going on in Kiev for the casual traveler.[/QUOTE]I should have given you a call Cruiser. I thought I would spend a few days trying to figure the place out myself first. In that time I just got so frustrated I decided just to go back home. I can run around Riga and Poland like a pro and thought that I could do the same in Kiev, but I was wrong. You really need to know what’s going on there to get the most out of the place. I would not say I had a bad experience, just with amount of money I was spending I could have gotten the same services in Köln or Düsseldorf, or even Las Vegas for that matter. I had just gotten off with a bad start and decided to cut my losses.

Just seems like you need so much insider information to get along there. You can’t just get of the plane and jump into the action. You really need to know what’s going on there.

The trip was not a total loss though; I had a couple dates with a “good girl” Ukrainian business woman I met online. She showed some tourists sites, and I got some kissing. If I would have a had more time with her, I would have gotten more, but she went to see her family on Friday outside of Kiev for the holidays. She travels to Berlin and Amsterdam often so we are going to hook up again.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Wolf: Thanks for your candid report. Sorry you didn't enjoy Kiev. I honestly don't think it's as difficult as you say, but perhaps I have lost the newbie perspective. In any case, your report definitely helps balance our impression of Kiev.[/QUOTE]Doctor_Skank,

I totally agree with what you’ve said, I did manage to get out too see some sights in the day and had a couple walks at night. You have to love a place where they sell Soviet aircraft and tank parts as tourist souvenirs. It was amazing to see that all the old Soviet statues and hammers and sickles were still up everywhere. One problem I did have was the tourist maps were in Latin, but the street signs were all in Cyrillic.

Should I have given it a few more days there, yeah probably, but I don’t regret going back early. I was going to stay 9 days and just stayed 4. There was just something about the place; I just didn’t have the patience with it I should have. Did meet one nice girl there I will see again, so the trip was not a total loss.

I met a Brit and a Frenchmen at the airport on the way back who had similar experiences as me in Kiev, but they knew even less about the town then I did. What I learned from ISG helped allot. If Kiev could get its sex and nightlife industry easier to navigate, the town would be allot better. At the same time though more tourists might make things worse. I think it’s also possible the pussy prices could go down, if the place went more mainstream. I could be wrong though.

It’s funny to think that the EE sex industry has raised their prices so much that short time German and Dutch prices are actually cheaper. The best thing I like about EE is the escort in call in an apartment. Here EE is still the king.

The apartment refund was a miracle, I would suggest Kiev Grata apartments to everyone

109...when are you coming to Kiev?

I need an old pro to work the strip clubs in Kiev with after a hard day of dating. ;)

Wolf - The best strategy for Kiev is good girls during the day and bad girls at night. ;)

Dr S, I do well in Kiev and I came here cold. Not to sound too arrogant but it is not something I suggest most people do. Kiev's idea of being tourist friendly is trying to figure out the best way they can screw people out of money without providing any service. I don't think most people consider navigating a minefield fun for some easy (or not so easy) poon.

I went to RP a few nights ago - the ratio was 60% men 40% women. It's old and worn, hopefully Moda Bar will break free of its mooring and smash into it.

This is of course all IMHO. But all I am hearing from first timers in Kiev is negative.

Great Report Wolf! I was planning to visit Kiev this year but after your report, I think I will head out to Asia instead. Same thing happened to me in Moscow and really did not care for the whole visit so I thought Kiev would be a little different. I think times are changing in Kiev as well. Did see Gia'swebsite and saw the pictures of Dasha. She's Hot!

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Cruiser D] Kiev's idea of being tourist friendly is trying to figure out the best way they can screw people out of money without providing any service. I don't think most people consider navigating a minefield fun for some easy (or not so easy) poon.[/QUOTE]Cruiser,

You are the man! I could have said this better myself! I have not given up on Kiev; I just need to work more contacts before I go next time. Seems like once you've got the place figured out, it’s great. I might try again this summer. Think I might have to make a Riga run before then :)

Wolf, don't feel so bad. I was in Bangkok around 3 times before I even heard of Nana Plaza. Now that's pathetic. lol!



[QUOTE=Wolf3566]I should have given you a call Cruiser. I thought I would spend a few days trying to figure the place out myself first. In that time I just got so frustrated I decided just to go back home. I can run around Riga and Poland like a pro and thought that I could do the same in Kiev, but I was wrong. You really need to know what’s going on there to get the most out of the place. I would not say I had a bad experience, just with amount of money I was spending I could have gotten the same services in Köln or Düsseldorf, or even Las Vegas for that matter. I had just gotten off with a bad start and decided to cut my losses.

Just seems like you need so much insider information to get along there. You can’t just get of the plane and jump into the action. You really need to know what’s going on there.

The trip was not a total loss though; I had a couple dates with a “good girl” Ukrainian business woman I met online. She showed some tourists sites, and I got some kissing. If I would have a had more time with her, I would have gotten more, but she went to see her family on Friday outside of Kiev for the holidays. She travels to Berlin and Amsterdam often so we are going to hook up again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]

The best strategy for Kiev is good girls during the day and bad girls at night.

[/QUOTE]

All readers must recognize these very significant words by Dr. Crooze.

Oh yes, this is just such a basic mongering premise, and for not only Kyyiv, but all of the slavic lands.

It only gets tricky when some sluts start ringing your mobile too early :)
When your good girl excuses herself to the ladies room, you are scrambling
to see which sluts that have called or sent sms.....and you have to make a
quick decision whether or not to make an excuse to end your date.

Just make sure you have switched your mobile to vibrate before your
good girl date begins, or she will be giving you strange suspicious
looks when the evening sluts start ringing you, and you have to try
to explain with a serious face why are all these bad slutty tramps
ringing you when you are such a nice respectable gentleman.

RB brothers,

Had a wonderful time in Kiev a couple of weeks ago, wanted to update you round-the-world RB adventurers.

The opportunities for lovely young female delights abound in Kiev, and every night was spent happily in the arms of an amazing blond (my preference) Slavic lass. The hotel bar at the President Hotel offered instant opportunities, with a couple of regulars working each night at the tables. My route was via other opportunities...

I chose to make some advance reservations via Gia ([url]http://www.gia.com.ua[/url]) before leaving the states, whom I found extremely friendly, helpful and "spot on" with my preferences. Diana was my Engligh-speaking phone and email hostess and was able to help guide me through the menu-o-delights. After dreaming away I ended up with:

Irina - first night. A lovely young sprite, soft skin, a bit heavier than her site photos (having a baby boy might just do that!) but absolutely delicious nonetheless. She looks great, terrific breasts and loves having them sucked; great BBBJ, good kisser, enjoyed numerous sex positions throughout the evening. Full 12 hrs together, multiples, sleeping/cuddling together and more. Weakness - basic English skills limited but who needed that, 'eh? Rating: 8 out of a 10.

[ Note - I had planned on repeating with Irina but read on...]

Mila was my next plan, but when calling I was informed that she was not available. OK, whom then did Diana recommend as a solid replacement? She thus recommended, and I thus THOROUGLY enjoyed:

Yana - second night. WOW, now here's a 10 on my tote board. Her pictures are accurate, she's a lovely 19 yr. old spinner with all the right skills (in bed and out). Actually I now think of Yana as more of a true courtesan, a Ukrainian geisha with even greater potential... as she stimulated me in so many ways. Her command of English is exceptional; she's offers very engaging conversation, a student planning to be a lawyer someday. She's a bright, witty, articulate and very passionate young woman on her way up. Oh and did I mention, she's terrific in bed? Lovely perky nipples, shaved, amazing kisser, multiple pops (seemed to prefer standard mish, got quite vocal that way), magnificent BBBJTCWS, massages and more. She make you the absolute center of her attention, great smiles and just everything a growing boy could want. Wow, Toto we're clearly not in Kansas anymore...

Third night - a second outing with Yana. Different in that we had a really nice evening together: dining at a very cute local Russian restaurant (she looked absolutely yummy in a sleek black, shoulderless short dress), a stroll through town and then off for more bedroom gymnastics. Another gold medal performance.

Guys, this was terrific fun. I'm completely smitten with Kiev and those thin, exotic, Russian and Ukraine girls. And best of all, an entire nighttime of erotic adventures cost in the neighborhood of ~$350 US (prices vary with the girls). Anyway you look at it, it beats the hell out of the one-hour rush jobs over here... hell, grab a cheap flight over and hotel, spend a week and you'll be ridden hard and put away wet, every time.

Fun indeed.

KJ

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[QUOTE=Anna Belenko]Yana - second night . . . . Lovely perky nipples, shaved, amazing kisser, multiple pops (seemed to prefer standard mish, got quite vocal that way), magnificent BBBJTCWS, massages and more . . . Toto we're clearly not in Kansas anymore . . . And best of all, an entire nighttime of erotic adventures cost in the neighborhood of ~$350 US . . . [/QUOTE]Yep, I have to agree Yana is really great. However, the same beauty and even more passion I did get on my last trip to Cuba. See attached pictures. Girl in blue: country girl. Very relaxed, willing and natural. Damage: $25. Girl in orange: what a technique. Incredible. Damage $30.

According to your report I saved myself in two days $650 by going to Cuba instead of the Ukrain.

I must say I am glad US guys are not allowed to go to Cuba. Keeps prices low. Thank you for the embargo. Send my regards to Yana. She really is a nice girl. But GIA is a bit too expensive to my taste. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Anna Belenko]RB brothers,
Guys, this was terrific fun. I'm completely smitten with Kiev and those thin, exotic, Russian and Ukraine girls. And best of all, an entire nighttime of erotic adventures cost in the neighborhood of ~$350 US (prices vary with the girls). [/QUOTE]

At $350/session I'd feel like I'd been fucked in the wrong way. Don't know if I'll ever reach the stage when I think paying $350 for sex is ok. In Kiev it's laughable and disturbing.

Warsaw is looking very good value when compared to Kiev.

Hey Jackson, I hope you got paid for that advertisement from GIA masquerading as a legit report.

You guys do know some apartment and escort agencies monitor and post on this board.

My jaw dropped after reading that report. Then I saw the comments from our regulars. Glad to see my first thoughts were not off the mark.

Just come back from Kiev and I thought I would share my experiences with you all, I was only there for 2 nights wish I stayed for more.

Went to a strip club, Miatniy Nosorog Strip bar, Chervonoarmiys’ka 111/113, web-site [url]www.nosorog.com.ua[/url]. It cost 70Hr to get in. The atmosphere was very relaxed, with no pressure from the girls for a private dance, buying drinks. Large beers cost 20Hr.

There is a stage where the girls take turns to do a bit of pole dancing. Private dances cost 300Hr, but they have a special promotion of 150Hr, when they come out on a parade, which is about after every 6-7 dances on stage. The private dance are quite good with touching allowed, how far you can go depends on the girl, but no sex is offered. Some girls do offer other services out of hours if you ask. In all the club is good if you like to chill out and watch good looking nude women and drinking a few beers.

On a Tuesday night went to Club 112, The club was busy, but there was mostly pro’s working inside, got talking to Kristina, and ended up spending the night and the following day with her, not the best looking but was friendly and showed me the city during the day. She said she was not a pro and did not ask for money but was quite happy in spending mine on drinks and food, I did not mind as I was getting wot I wanted, maybe one of you know her and tell me wot she is all about.

Tried to get into Shooters and got turned away, do other people have this problem?
I will be going back to kiev to explore the city more later this year and will report back.

Where is the best place to pick up non-pro’s in kiev.

A good street map guide is [url]http://map.meta.ua/?map=kiev&l=ru[/url] and goes down to building number.

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Tapstar,

I have just sent you private message on what you can get in Sevastopol for your 70uah entry fee in Kiev, maybe you need to subscribe to this site to find out what is available here?

Regards Sevastopol1

[QUOTE=Tapstar]Just come back from Kiev and I thought I would share my experiences with you all, I was only there for 2 nights wish I stayed for more.
Went to a strip club, Miatniy Nosorog Strip bar, Chervonoarmiys’ka 111/113, web-site [url]www.nosorog.com.ua[/url]. It cost 70Hr to get in. The atmosphere was very relaxed, with no pressure from the girls for a private dance, buying drinks. Large beers cost 20Hr.

There is a stage where the girls take turns to do a bit of pole dancing. Private dances cost 300Hr, but they have a special promotion of 150Hr, when they come out on a parade, which is about after every 6-7 dances on stage. The private dance are quite good with touching allowed, how far you can go depends on the girl, but no sex is offered. Some girls do offer other services out of hours if you ask. In all the club is good if you like to chill out and watch good looking nude women and drinking a few beers.

On a Tuesday night went to Club 112, The club was busy, but there was mostly pro’s working inside, got talking to Kristina, and ended up spending the night and the following day with her, not the best looking but was friendly and showed me the city during the day. She said she was not a pro and did not ask for money but was quite happy in spending mine on drinks and food, I did not mind as I was getting wot I wanted, maybe one of you know her and tell me wot she is all about.

Tried to get into Shooters and got turned away, do other people have this problem?
I will be going back to kiev to explore the city more later this year and will report back.

Where is the best place to pick up non-pro’s in kiev.

A good street map guide is [url]http://map.meta.ua/?map=kiev&l=ru[/url] and goes down to building number.

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Well I am back in kiev afte a long time away. How things have changed. It is little more expencive then i remeber. Still I have not had much chance to get out. I plan to get out some then next few days. Should prove fun. Some of the places I used to go are no longer there. Suprise there. Any good recomendations. Ideas. Sorry I did not do my home work before I left to come back. Just no time.

Yes Armorer, Kiev's fast and easy p4p days are over - well actually not really, you just pay more now. ;)

I'm in Kiev until the 28th. I was going to stay a bit longer but I think I am going to head to South Beach. How long are you staying?

Cruiser D
Well I am here till 22nd. Then back to the grind. Yeah I am just here enjoying the wonderful weather. Well atleast no snow. Doing like the typical male now ligit date in the day and wild fun with the wild ones at night. Well cruiser if ya like I can buy the first round some time. While we are both here. Just let me know.
We can discuss the price and quality changes. lol

This was originally a private message but I thought I would post it for everyone's enjoyment.



Hey, did you make it to RP for the Pats-Chargers game? I was there for the 2nd half downstairs sitting to the right as you walk in...

Geez, RP blows...one of my buddies who was upstairs asked me to come to the disco to hang out with him after the game. Went there, got a drink then he left with a girl - I had no intention at all of leaving with a girl. They were all over me as soon as I got to the bar. Some cute young thing came up and stood about 6" away from me...I said hello..asked "do you come here often?" (I know cliche, but what else does one ask in RP?) she didn't speak english well so she asked her dumpy friend to translate. I told her friend that and the itch said 'do you think that is the proper question to ask? You should ask her what is the price'. I said, 'you got it backwards babe, you have no class. How do you say fuck off in Russian?'

Most Americans I've seen in Kiev in one place at one time outside of Friday's. You weren't one of the two drunk American sales dudes wasting the girls time, were you?

Man, RP is so over. I'm going to check next week and see if Arena is going to be open for the AFC NFC games. If you are looking for the local El Qaeda cell, the clueless business traveler or the AARP set RP is the place to be. RP's two redeeming points are the fast, friendly and efficient staff and the slhut parade.

I have to say I just love this forum. Even though my first trip to Kiev was not the best, I can’t stop going back to see what the new posts here say. Hell I’m even thinking about giving Ukraine another try, but I think I wait for summer.

The Kiev Forum Rules!

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]This was originally a private message but I thought I would post it for everyone's enjoyment.

Hey, did you make it to RP for the Pats-Chargers game? I was there for the 2nd half downstairs sitting to the right as you walk in.

Geez, RP blows...one of my buddies who was upstairs asked me to come to the disco to hang out with him after the game. Went there, got a drink then he left with a girl - I had no intention at all of leaving with a girl. They were all over me as soon as I got to the bar. Some cute young thing came up and stood about 6" away from me...I said hello..asked "do you come here often?" (I know cliche, but what else does one ask in RP?) she didn't speak english well so she asked her dumpy friend to translate. I told her friend that and the itch said 'do you think that is the proper question to ask? You should ask her what is the price'. I said, 'you got it backwards babe, you have no class. How do you say fuck off in Russian?'

Most Americans I've seen in Kiev in one place at one time outside of Friday's. You weren't one of the two drunk American sales dudes wasting the girls time, were you?

Man, RP is so over. I'm going to check next week and see if Arena is going to be open for the AFC NFC games. If you are looking for the local El Qaeda cell, the clueless business traveler or the AARP set RP is the place to be. RP's two redeeming points are the fast, friendly and efficient staff and the slhut parade.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with Cruiser D. Even [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] gal (I know you all like this agency in the reviews;) stopped working in RP and came to the agency. I got to know it from Oksana. Or prehaps she didn't nkow the right way of RP behavior.

Are you saying the girl went from free lancing at RP to working at GIA? If it was my choice I think I'd rather free lance at RP. Unless GIA is a most unRussian run escort agency the girls are giving up at least half the fee.

Hi,

Wanted to gauge general consensus on GIA escort.

Are they legitimate, offer what they say they do ?.

Appreciate thoughts especially from those who have used them recently as I plan to be in Kiev soon and looking for good escort agents.

The best thing about RP are the hostesses! I had the hots for some many of them -- walking around in their little orange skirts! Love Them!

[QUOTE=Sporn]Hi,

Wanted to gauge general consensus on GIA escort.

Are they legitimate, offer what they say they do ?.

Appreciate thoughts especially from those who have used them recently as I plan to be in Kiev soon and looking for good escort agents.[/QUOTE]I use [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] quite often when I want to get te certain girl as in the picture. Perhaps they use too much retouch in the girls' pictures, but I always had the girls I've chosen, not some else. The girl always comes on time. I think they have reasonable prices:

1 hour $110
2 hours $150,
3 hours $190,
4 hours $230,
6 hours $270,
8 hours $310,
10 hours $350,
12 hours $390

Have a nice fuck, Sporn! ;)

[QUOTE=ChrisForSex]I use [url]www.gia.com[/url] quite often . . . I think they have reasonable prices[/QUOTE]With these prices for me staying home or going elsewere is a much better option for me.

Fido
You are right; I also think that these prices are not really reasonable for Kiev. For the same price and time I also have fun in Germany, Holland or Belgium. And here are also a lot of Slavic girls. :-))

Double the hours according to the mentioned payment, then the prices are getting reasonable for Kiev (but in my opinion still to high).
A nighter, minimum staying 8 hours, you should get for $ 200 to maximum $ 300. And paying $ 300 for a girl it must really be a ten and she must provide owo and anal.

GIA has only two advantages:
- What you see is what you get (mostly, cause the pics are tuned).
- If you do not like hunting or meeting girls in a club, it is the best way to get a decent girl to your apartment or hotel room (for a higher price of course).

You know I have noticed there is a lot of GIA love going on in this forum recently. As far as I can tell they are slightly over priced and the girls are average at best for Kiev. So I decided to put on my Sherlock Holmes cap and do a little sleuthing.

Chrisforsex for example. Do you know you have posted only 15 letters to ISG and oddly enough all 15 deal with GIA and even more oddly you don't have a single negative thing to say. Odd, isn't it?

You also mentioned how great it was that this girl Oksana stopped freelancing at River Palace and decided instead that she was much happier working for GIA and giving them at least half her earnings. Hmm, tad bit odd, don't you think?

Hello all,

GIA and RP are now only for people with too much money, no sense or little time for searching. So to confirm Cruiser Ds comments, consider $300 to be the yardstick for an over nighter 9/10 girl to include anal and BBJ.

From there, depending on your effort and/or negotiating skills, you can find P4P all the way down to $100 for an all nighter to include all the sex you want.

With luck, charm or a full nelson all this can be had for free if you try hard enough. With many of the P4P girls, the 2nd night is free if you have the skills. Go to any club, find a girl who's not "playing" (take time to observe her game), put 4 vodkas inside her and take her home. $20 on drink and a taxi fare home in the morning if you're feeling generous. I usually give them double the fare and tell them it's a "return ticket" so I can call them when I want them again.

Any of the mongers here should really know all this by now as the wisdom of Cruiser D and Dr Skank has been here for all to see.

You guys are correct!

Guys, you have all been great on this matter.

Problem is what other agencies are there you can recommend which are reasonably priced.

Unfortunately this trip I only have 2-3 days so don't want be wasting too much time to be chatting up girls in bars or clubs.

Cruiser

With respect to ChrisForSex and his so-called Gia reports, I must agree with you. If he does not work for Gia (which I suspect he does), then he at least gets a discount by supplying these phony reports. He did say something odd in one report "I used to have sex with freebies but not anymore, because you rarely get what you see."

Two questions for you Chris:

1. Do all your former freebies walk around without heads on their shoulders or do they wear paper bags all the time to cover their face? I know that most ladies on Flirt or Singles or any of these sites who are not pros usually provide their real picture.

2. How does anyone stop having free sex for paid sex unless that paid sex is free sex from Gia?

That is not to say that Gia is a fraud. They do supply the ladies in the pictures for the most part, but heavily photoshopped. However, when you call, most are either gone, unavailable or busy. You almost never get the one you want and none now do anal. I gave up on them a long time ago. The only good thing about them is that you do see what you get, more or less, and you pay for that in near-European level prices. They are also good for those sad souls who come here and do not speak a word of Russian or Ukrainian.

With other local agencies where you can have a goblin show up at your door, despite the picture, that is another story and that is why Gia charges what it charges. It can get away with it gouging (robbing) visitors and lost ex-pats because it is the one place here that the ladies almost resemble their photos.

It is also for that reason that River Palace and the other pick-up venues, along with hotels are so good. You see what you get.

And Chris, the ladies here, as well as elsewhere, when they freelance, keep all the money. Not at all like when they are Gia slaves and make from possibly half to more likely only 30% of the paid amount. Would you not want to pay the lady her fair agreed value and not the pimp?

By the way, there are two local sites that review ladies, similar to sextalk.ru. They are ebi.te.ua and fucker.kiev.ua

I also use them for their reviews of the local ladies, pros, semi-pros and even amateurs new to the game, most with photos and phone numbers and detailed reviews. However, you must know Russian. By the way, the locals on these two sites almost always trash Gia so ChisForSex, you are in the minority with your excessive praise of Gia.

For a businessman like me, I come to Kiev for 1 wok, or 10 day’s, I am biz doing the day wit meetings, by night I wold love to have a girl, but do not have the time to looking around for a good sexy girl, simply do not have the time to look around in a bar or a club, I also do not wont some fraind and businessman sell know wot I am doing, and my Russian and Ukraine is not good,so I will call GIA,

If I ken get the same quality ales wore I wold call an other agency for a better pries, but till now GIA give the best reliable service, so I am willing to pay 140 - 150 $ for 2 hoers,

I wis GIA shad have a competitions in the pries will go donwn, but I do not know any good agency in kive.

BTW: Uke Boy rote: The only good thing about them is that you do see what you get, more or less. end Q. I thing this is good enough today in Ukraine to get wot you wont and not to have trouble.

I understand the point from “Uke Boy”, but again I wish GIA shad have a competitions.

Her555

Gia has been around seemingly forever here. They obviously have paid the right people in the highest places in order to remain in business this long (and likely still do pay). Nothing wrong with it here, just a normal and necessary way to do business here.

One of their most successful niches is catering to the foreign businessman such as yourself. You come in for a week, speak no Russian and you want instant and immediate no work gratification and pleasure knowing what you see on the site so what you will get. Within reason, of course.

There is also nothing wrong with that knowing that you will pay much more than locals or those who speak Russian and/or Ukrainian and can use local agencies and local ladies. Unfortunately that sometimes lead to local price inflation as well.

I agree that the other agencies should do something to compete with Gia but I suspect that there may already be an agreement that Gia will for the present time be a monopoly in this area. Ukrainians do not like competition. It leads to nasty things such as lower prices and worse yet, they have to then work to get market share. Better to do nasty things to your competitors in order to ensure your monopoly. It is simpler and cheaper.

That is business life (and death) here.

Thanks Uke Boy for your respond. it is good to see local people like you, untrusting the area good, and telling the fact wot it is going one, I know very wal the way from bossiness in Ukraine, it is crops from a to z, and it is control-it by the mafia,

Still I wonder in a big city like Kiev shad be only one good reliable agency ! (in my area in new York - new jersey you will find 50 good agency’s reliable, but every one knows, the agency is good but American girl is not good in sex like a lovely Ukrainian girl, and people in Ukraine shed be grateful for this, but this is a subject not for yet), so I hope to find some other good agency’s in Kiev,

I will still monitor this greet forum, if you or one other member will Tel us from any kind reliable agency or private girl for the same quality I will try it,

Thanks again

Her555,

Most of the other sites really are not good. About the only one I can recommend as being close to Gia is [url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/?l=en[/url]

They allow you to search by a number of categories, not the least of which is "real photo." A number of ladies do show their real selves. That is not to say that some of the real photos are also fake. They are, that is the reality of web sites here. However, at least this is a better site than most. A lot of the others are tied to the bordellos themselves such as [url]http://www.kievprivat.com/[/url] This one has incalls and outcalls but who you see on the site you may or may not get for all the reasons you can imagine.

Most of the other sites are just a variation, for good or ill, of these two sites.

It really is somewhat of a gamble from Gia and other sites as to who will ultimately show up at your door. The good news is that you can send them away if they do not meet your criteria or were not as advertised and start over again.

I have used top-models.com.ua and it seems reasonable enough, and it is also used by locals most heavily for their needs.

Thanks Uke Boy

I check out top-models.com.ua I see the prices going from 70 to 100 USD, u sad it is reliable, now is this a agency and the handling the girl’s or is this private escort.

In Ukraine I prefer to order from a agency, because as a outsider from Ukraine I am scaring some time to call a private girl.

Also, in your case was the girl reel good by having sex or was the girl cold and doing their job but not spesele (like a reel American woman LOL).

Thanks for your info.

Her555,

Reliable is not a word I would use here about any lady or any agency, Gia included. The last thing anyone here in the sex business is is reliable.

With top-models, it is not an agency but another web site that collects and displays both independent offerings and agency offerings in a reasonably good manner. The idea of "real photos" is especially helpful if not 100% accurate in all cases.

What I do not understand is if you search out new pleasures in NY and NJ, why not do the same here? It really is no different except the ladies here are much more beautiful and more fun to be with.

Besides, it is one of the "joys" here, that anticipation of what might show up is unto itself an adventure! A private, independent girl is much more fun and in most cases has a better attitude than an agency girl.

If you are afraid to call and to experiment, then stick to Gia, there is no other option.

As for good sex/bad sex, sorry but that is something that I cannot and will not even guess or explain what I have felt with any lady. That is entirely a matter of you and the lady at that moment you meet and go on to your activities. It really is a very personal circumstance.

Hey guys,

I know this question has probably been asked before but who do you recommend for accommodations in Kiev? Heading that way, and had crappy experience last time so perhaps some new insights will be appreciated.

I am planning a 4 night stay, and will of course post a full report once its over.

Hi,

I use [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] and find them professional by Kiev standards.

I've used [url]www.kievlet.com[/url] often enough and was never disappointed. Some really nice flats.

Thanks for the apartment links guys. These look perfect. Some gorgeous 2 room flats centrally located with all the amenities for $100 per night. Contrast that with the "4 star" hotel I've been staying at for $150 for a room barely large enough to fit a bed, TV in Russian, and no internet access.

A few questions...
How is the availability if I generally pop into Kiev on a week's notice? Do they make you shuttle around from night to night?
Also, how is payment handled?
When they say cable TV, does that mean Ukranian/Russian cable with just BBC in English, or something more robust?
How do you 'check in' when you arrive to get the key?

Sorry to be off topic.

[QUOTE=Brandon88]Thanks for the apartment links guys. These look perfect. Some gorgeous 2 room flats centrally located with all the amenities for $100 per night. Contrast that with the "4 star" hotel I've been staying at for $150 for a room barely large enough to fit a bed, TV in Russian, and no internet access.

A few questions.

How is the availability if I generally pop into Kiev on a week's notice? Do they make you shuttle around from night to night?

Also, how is payment handled?

When they say cable TV, does that mean Ukranian/Russian cable with just BBC in English, or something more robust?

How do you 'check in' when you arrive to get the key?

Sorry to be off topic.[/QUOTE]Availability is fine with the guys I suggested, a weeks notice should be ok. I've had to shuttle around before but only when I gave them a days notice.

Cable TV can range from BBC world + CNN in English to BBC prime and the Turner movie channel but not much more than that. If the place has a DVD, then movies here cost about $7 to buy.

Check-in would be 1 of the manageresses meeting you at the apartment with keys etc. If you use the airport transfer then maybe the driver will have everything with him.

Payment is the 1st night in advance with the balance in cash on arrival.

As there is now snow in Kiev, a central address is the wise move.

Actually Brandon it's all on topic. ISG is about traveling for sex, and that is all part of it.

The only time I ever had a problem with an agency asking my to change apartments was when I was here last year for New Years and I had to stay one place for 5 days and then another place for the next 5 weeks - not too bad. But some times the apartment shuffle does happen. The 'name' agencies on this board while fine will also be the most expensive. Of course it is still a step up from just about any hotel in Kiev (price and accomodations)

Cable generally means the local channels - no english. Sat TV generally means BBC CNN and some awful Arabic-Italian-Indian channels. I actually prefer the local channels over the crap loaded Sat TV. Besides, if you aren't working you should be out chasing poon - I'll be checking up on you. ;)

The easiest thing for check in/check out is to have the agency pick you up at the airport. It ranges anywhere from $20-40. That way they know where to take you and can call the manager when she will ineverably be late.

As any FSU traveler will tell you, and you already know. Resolution to any problem (major or small) is a huge case of YMMV.

Didn't I tell you this a couple of weeks ago at Arena? ;)

Yes, you did, but I am eternally optimistic. :D

I just don't understand European satellite. Every hotel in Asia has satellite HBO, Cinemax, Discovery, etc etc etc. I can understand if we're in the hinterlands, but I'm talking major tourist destinations...Paris, Athens, etc.

well, after a year away from eastern europe, i'm finally back. after a fantastic weekend in moscow i landed at borispol sunday night, and found that i was quite lost. none of the old phone numbers worked, and i only had a vague recollection of the places i visited last year, so i wasn't quite sure where to go.

fortunately, the battle-scarred forum professor cruiser d offered his help in getting around kiev, and starting tuesday we went on a grand tour of kiev strip clubs.


[b]rio[/b]: we started in this place tuesday night. it's a small one-room joint with like 6 booths. it was full and they weren't letting any people in. there's a stage with three dancers on it which rotate. they don't come up to you or anything after the dance - you have to attract their attention while they dance and ask them to come up to your table yourself. the club had maybe 15 girls rotating, and i found only one of them appealing. however she avoided eye contact the entire time she was on stage and never came up to me. i also liked this one waitress, asked her for a phone number, and she gave me a schpiel about how she never gives it out to patrons, blah blah blah.

[b]status[/b]: shot down in flames; debris rep001tered over a wide area.


[b]millenium[/b]: we went there next. the place last year had a great selection as i remember. it's also a tiny l-shaped room with a handful of tables, a tiny main stage, and two even smaller extra stages, which that night were empty. the girls were, to use a russian term, [i]polnyi otstoy[/i]. we sat there for half an hour, drank a beer each, and left empty-handed and disgusted.

[b]status[/b]: secondary target obscured by clouds; returned home; ordnance dropped on targets of opportunity.


[b]spearmint rhino[/b]: i hit this wednesday night. a slightly larger club, nice big stage, comfy booths, but absolutely horrible torture device chairs, if you can't get a booth. right at the entrance, the greeter told me "be aware, our establishment does not do [i]intim[/i] (sex)". i nodded and winked, and the greeter gave me a weird look.

the girls were generally pretty nice, lots of variety, definitely something for any taste out there. they were very polite and didn't hassle me at all. a two-song private dance cost 150 hrivnas. however, all the girls would start singing the "no intim" song as soon as they got to me, and in the private rooms you can't touch their privates, although they kind of touch yours. subsequent attempts to ask the three really cute dancers to go home with me were met with "seriously, what do we keep telling you about no sex in this club?" i got two phone numbers, paid a very reasonable 150 hr bill for about three hours in there, and went home very frustrated. i saw a bunch of other patrons go home empty-handed, looking all gloomy, so at least it wasn't just me that night.

[b]status[/b]: pull up, pull up! return to base immediately!


so there you have it gentlemen. it's all kind of funny i guess, and i spent very little money so far, maybe 1,000 hrivnas in all three clubs combined, but it's pretty sad too. what's the world coming to when a guy in kiev with a wad of cash in his pocket and a naked girl in his lap can't get laid? o tempora, o mores!

Irish, you are going to be amazed at how well and quickly the snow is cleaned from the major umm, 'tourist' areas. It always make for an interesting walk late at night/early morning to watch the old ladies shoveling snow into carts drawn by tractors.

My some time’s snowbound home city would do well to import a hundred or so of them. Despite the many 10's of million of dollar spent every year the sidewalks and parking lanes generally remain unpassable until the spring thaw.

Sorry about disappearing last night, 109. It's hard to turn down two hot blonds in hand for a night of hit or miss strip club trawling. If you didn't get my pm I might be able to offer some insight as to the 'no sex' thing at the Rhino last night during lunch.

Guys, where in Kiev do you recommend to stay?

Is there a region where most of the clubs or best restaurants are? Whats the best location to stay close to where all the action is?

Baseina Street?

Khreschatyk Street?

Bessarabs'ka Square?

The most clubs and restaurants you can find in the centre area, but that does not mean that this area is the best place to hang out. All over Kiev you can find some nice places. But the centre area is a good place to start. The streets you mention are good places to have an apartment, especially if you are new to Kiev. It is all situated next to each other. From there you can easily reach some good action on walking distance.
When you are on Bessarabs’ka square you are at the beginning of Krasnoarmiskaja Street (Chevronoarmyiska Street) and at the end of the Khreshatik Street. You are also at the beginning of Shevchenka Boulevard and at the end of Baseina Street.
Next to Bessarabs’ka square you can see Arena city and on the other site you can go to for instance Fridays restaurant. On the back of Arena city you will see Mandarin Plaza. It is on Baseina. Walk around these Streets and the little site streets for a few hours and you see so many clubs and restaurant that you don’t know anymore where to go. I think by searching and reading this forum you can easily find out where the action is.
Have a nice trip.

[QUOTE=Nufc9]Guys, where in Kiev do you recommend to stay?

Is there a region where most of the clubs or best restaurants are? Whats the best location to stay close to where all the action is?

Baseina Street?

Khreschatyk Street?

Bessarabs'ka Square?[/QUOTE]
Of those areas, I prefer the Bessarabsky area... probably because Arena (currently closed for remont I understand) was always a welcome option for me and it is right there. Ismael is right though, all of the areas are central and that is what matters.

One note though, in Kiev there isn't a single "where the action is" place. Top clubs and so on are spread throughout the city. Kreshatik is the center and there is plenty to do there... you could stay a week in Kiev and never leave Kresh for that matter... but many of the famous clubs mentioned here are a 10-20 minute cab drive away from Kreshatik and often located completely on their own away from other bars or clubs.

When budgeting your trip, don't forget to budget in about $50/day for taxis. Will be more if you do a lot of club hopping.

Taxi used to be 2 $ no matter where to in the beginning of 2006 - now, prices raised, but you can still go WHEREVER for 20 Ghrivna.

Unless you travel by taxi all day long, you don't need a lot of cash to go by cab. Cheers!

When I first came to live in Kyiv. 2003, you simply could not spend 15 minutes on ' K ' street without SCORING! Now it might be a WG, but many times it was a local or a gal just visiting. Also, scoring does not mean we had SEX! But you could easily find a lady to give you some time.

Well that sure changed. I don't even see the WG's anymore. UNTIL.

Last week I had a lady friend coming in from Russia so I booked a central apartment. I had it 1 day early as she arrived early the next day. Hmmmm, lets use this FREE night!

My plan was to simply go to Arena and PAY for it (even though I hate that scene). I much prefer the 'freebie game'. So here I am strolling down K street and I meet this young (well she turned out to be 33) lady walking with a flower. Hmmm Where's her guy? She actually slowed down, and after she saw me stop and use my mobile (I wanted a reason to just stand) she did a you-Turn and plopped down on the bench 10 feet away from me.

Ok, where's her guy? So I go up to her and ask: "do you speak any RUSSIAN? " She laughs and says of course! (in english)!

So I get out my SAVED sms in russian and ask her to translate. 'sorry but I cannot meet with you tonight' (now she knows I am FREE)

So I say thanks, take her hand and propose VODKA! I always start with Vodka. Many do like it. But if NO. Then just work your way down. All the way to chai if needed!

Long story short, after one drink we hit the super market in Mandarin, and head for the apartment. This was my 1st pull from K Street in over 3 years AND it was almost too simple!

Life is one big 'cycle'. 'never. Ever. Give UP'!

LS Guy

[QUOTE=Wallyally]Taxi used to be 2 $ no matter where to in the beginning of 2006 - now, prices raised, but you can still go WHEREVER for 20 Ghrivna.

Unless you travel by taxi all day long, you don't need a lot of cash to go by cab. Cheers![/QUOTE]

You are right. Most trips are 15-20 Grv. I miscalculated. I probably take the taxi about 6 times a day at 20 Grv = 120/5= $24.

My bad.

Well anyway, plan in $50 a day for taxi and what you don't spend on taxi blow on booze and broads. At least I always find a way to spend all my money on something... :)

Yup, just to add an extra warning about the taxis, always, always agree on the price before the trip, and never, ever agree to go on the meter. 30 hrivnas will literally take you from one side of town to the other, so no trip around downtown should ever cost you more. The cabbies will hear your accent or see you with a broad and quote you 50 hr or 100 hr or whatever. Just walk away and try the next street corner.

There are a lot of unfortunate visitors paying outrageous prices for taxis in Kiev, and that's a horrible way to get ripped off. Save it for the more enjoyable activities.

First off we will deal with information that really might matter - taxi's.

Wally - Dr - men at the opposite ends of the spectrum; Wally, I don't know where you have been traveling to in Kiev but catching a taxi to anywhere in Kiev for $2 or 10hrv isn't very viable. Even before the Orange Revolution. True I used to get fares around 10-15hrv but it was rare and for a very short distant. Now it cost 20hrv to go from one end of Khreschatyk to the other, actually 20hrv seems to be the standard for traveling anywhere in the center. But you can still travel to the other side of the river for 25-30hrv - so there is an obvious premium for traveling in the city center. Dr, honestly I really can’t picture spending $50/day on taxi’s (you can rent a car for $30) unless you are putting a lot of girls in cabs for the ride home. If you speak Russian well use taxi agencies to get around, simply call them and they will come to pick you up. I took one taxi who used the meter - which is so far the first and only time this has happened to me. I was going from Manadarin Plaza to Pidol it usually costs 20-25hrv, with the meter it cost 28hrv. I could be wrong about my rates but the girls seem to confirm it - it could also be I haven't been taking too many private cars during this trip.

Life, as far as your adventures on K street. I have always had great luck with going up to girls and just saying, ‘hello, how are you doing?' Scoring = sex. Getting a phone number or café date in Kiev is very easy. I don’t see the need for tricks.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]First off we will deal with information that really might matter - taxi's.

Dr, honestly I really can’t picture spending $50/day on taxi’s (you can rent a car for $30) unless you are putting a lot of girls in cabs for the ride home. Scoring = sex. Getting a phone number or café date in Kiev is very easy. I don’t see the need for tricks.[/QUOTE]

Cruiser D: Agreed that $50/day for taxis is way over. I simply miscalculated when figuring what I spend a day on taxis. Quite frankly, I really have little idea what I spend a day because I tend to spend a lot in clubs. And if I don't like a club or feel a vibe I don't stay long and move on.

Scoring: When telling war stories, let's at least agree that as Cruiser said, scoring = getting your dick wet. Getting telephone numbers is par for the course and nothing to feel all warm and fuzzy about.

Liked your story though LS... and love those traffic free Sundays in Kiev on Kresh.

I have to say, Kiev's just not the right town for pro action. In about a week I've been here, all my attempts to find pros were pretty pathetic. Strip clubs, the usual staple of my Moscow diet, absolutely suck, and pros from other sources are quite mediocre. RP is going down the drain, and everything else is even worse.

However picking up regular girls is just too fucking easy. I try to talk to them and charm them and whatever, and they all get confused and ask me if I'm going to ask them for their phone number or what.

I got back from Decadence a little while ago, and they had a birthday party event there for some Ukrainian celebrity. There were all sorts of local bands and singers performing on stage. The club was packed wall to wall, I've never seen people packed in so tight, it certainly broke every safety regulation in the book. While I hear Decadence is a pro hang-out, tonight I only spotted a few obvious skanks, while most of the girls were regular non-pros. I've never had such a phone-number-per-minute rate in my life. I got models, professional dancers, a future diplomat, you name it. Kiev fucking sucks on the weekdays, but it's out of this world on the weekends.

So anyway, my advice is, go out and be bold. The reason the pro circuit sucks in Kiev is because the freebies are so easy and plentiful.

Hey friend, would you say Kiev is better for freebies than Odessa? Any comments?

I really hope the name you use is just a pseudo and not your real name. I know some bad stories about what this guy does to girls in Kiev. If you are really Brett Ousley I would appreciate if you leave this forum. I think I do not need to mention that Ousley runs a marriage agency in Kiev, where he uses the girls, related to his agency, for other purposes then for what his business was meant for.

Hello all,

Kiev is far easier for freebies than Odessa IMHO. The girls in Odessa are great fun but very mercenary. Kiev has far more variety of girls from your mercenary to your decent or even "village' type of girl. Lots of players of course but also lots of ordinary types.

As recent reports suggest, pulling on Kreschatyk is still achievable, even for old farts like myself.

the girls sitting around on khreshchatyk (please stop calling it "k street", it's pathetic) usually are looking for a date, sometimes in a semi-pro mode, deciding on the spot if they should ask for money or not. but i have to say i'm not the one for such an aggressive approach, especially anything including surprise anal. i guess to each his own. i treat even a $60 agency hooker with as much respect as any girl back in the states, and no one will ever convince me there's anything wrong with that approach. these girls lead shitty lives as it is, and i certainly don't want to be responsible for any additional mental scars.


anyway, back on topic, in the past couple of days me and cruiser visited a few more strip clubs during the slower parts of the day.

[b]khata rybaka[/b] (fisherman's hut): a part of a large entertainment complex way out on the left bank. the address is revutzkogo 2. i don't think they advertise anywhere in english, so foreigners attract a lot of attention.

the booths were by far the worst i've seen anywhere in my life: hard wooden benches, too wide to make it comfortable to lean back, and far enough from the table to make it really uncomfortable to lean forward.

however the girls were generally ok - nowhere near the moscow levels of quality, but there were a few cuties. almost nobody spoke english though, and one of the girls we liked even refused to come to the booth because of that, despite me speaking russian. we weren't looking to take anybody home that night, and were contempt with just walking away with some phone numbers.

so, if you speak some russian, and want to go off the beaten track, this could be a good choice.


[b]flower rhino[/b], also a left bank strip club, apparently recently renovated and considered by locals to be the best of the four rhinos.

the place was nice and big, comfy couches, good selection of girls. i liked this one petite energetic brunette, but inexplicably after some lap dances and sitting around our booth, she just stood up and walked away to chat with some other customers. that kind of killed my mojo. the place was really crowded, and the only girls left unengaged were not worth my time.

the drunken russian factor was very high. there was some moron trying to go down on a stripper right in the main room; some other fucko was falling all over himself and breaking beer glasses left and right, a group of younger men were spanking each other. disgusting, and very distracting. with all the antics around me i barely noticed naked girls.

this was, by the way, an official "no sex" policy club, like the spearmint rhino i wrote about earlier. and when we tried to ask a girl for her phone number, she said, oh, absolutely no way, i can't do that, i'll get fired. her nasty-looking manager was roaming the room giving everyone a heavy stare, so i'm sure the stripper wasn't lying.

so, in summary, if your goal is to bang a stripper or to have a good time, don't go to a rhino club. as a matter of fact, don't go to any rhinos period.


for all my strip club woes, i was raped last night by a gorgeous journalist student on our first date, and now i'm a happy man again.

Do any of you guys know the best way to get from Krym to Kiev

Grateful for your help

banter

the connection!

youre stories of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] young girls dont impress on me at all!

if you cant charm a girl you bring to your apartment into sex, but have to force her into sex, you are destroying foreign mens reputation big time!

not to forget to mention that you also commit crimes in doing these acts! this kind of a-hole behaviour really gives a bad smell in here and is in no way decent or acceptable! i have never had to force any girl in ee into having sex. it all comes with my charm! thats the difference between a gentleman and a pig! youre morale and attitude stink like a rotten fish!

youre a disgrace for the male sex!

i hope you read my report and understand its essence and change your behaviour!

i hope the moderator reads this post and kicks you out of the forum!

if we continiue to destroy our paradises, what do we have left?

//felix

[QUOTE=The Connection]Unlike your average wanker programmer wanna be spanking it at 8:30 am to dreams of being me in as portrayed in my reports after a hopeless night of trying to meet women I am pro. [/QUOTE]

This is probably the greatest sentence in the history of sentences.

And I think you have the wrong site, buddy. You're wanting [url]www.internationalpsychoguide.com[/url]. Please stay off this one, or seek a mental health professional.

What a shame, guys like “The Connection” not only destroys the foreign mongers reputation but also encourage perverts who are after sex with minors.

She was 17 years old and you had anal sex. Did you lose your mind?

You only exploit poor minor girls, this is not mongering.

Even if you pay for sex, that doesn’t give you right to abuse them or force them or treat them like piece of shit.

You definitely need professional help…

Please gents, do not feed the troll.

If you feel so inclined, there is always the "report this post to a moderator" link on every post.

[QUOTE=The Connection]

So [b]Chuck[/b] (name changed to protect the innocent) and I ...

... they were both pretty young ...

We moved on into the kitchen and [b]Ted[/b] and I poured some drinks ...

Separating the pair is important ...


[size=-2] [b] [u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]: [/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue] [/size] [/QUOTE]Connection - try and be consistent in your stories. One minute your friend is named Chuck, the next minute he's named Ted. Bullshit stories of course, but I suspect in real life you know some of the techniques. Some of them actually work. [size=-3] [Disclaimer: I only use such techniques with over-18s; usually over-25s][/size]

Unfortunately, because your Reports of Distinction refer to under-18s, they'll probably soon be Reports of Extinction. Too bad. You were mildly entertaining.

[QUOTE=Banter]Do any of you guys know the best way to get from Krym to Kiev

Grateful for your help

banter[/QUOTE]train, Train, TRAIN. Book a 1st class 'sleeper' for 2 AND bring along 'booze' and a babe!

Party all night!

LS Guy

sorry guys i have still a couple of reports on kiev to write... one on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], probably the best sponsor girl you can get, but unfotunately now with a boyfriend! :(

i just want an info, on ground it's not the easisest place to get anal (like moscow or rio) i found this girl kyosha, advertising on flirt... 350 full night anal with bbj, acceptable for my standards. somebody know her, she just posted new photos declared 23 an 170...
ps her link is: [url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=105623528[/url]
but if you have not the pw you will not see the pics in full format, so i posted them. somebody tried her?

by the way i'll use a couple of gia girls, rakuena and mystery tramp if she is still around. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] promised even to help me with some girlfriends in need as she did last time...

a question to bez... how do you convince her (mistery tramp) to get all the night? ;)

thanks for info.

it

Hi all,

3rd time visitor to Kiev.
I'd be very interested to meet up with anywhere living in Kiev or other travellers. I had some decent success a few years ago tapping the university scene but am very out of date now (been almost 3 years since I visited), so would appreciate a refresher course. :)

I am there to visit some friends I met years ago but there will be plenty of spare time to have a few drinks and find a girl or three.
I'm 25, originally from Asia but live in Australia now.

Msg me if interested.

Thx.

[quote=the connection]ok, look i got 2 reports of distinction, and you? suck it up pal or bend over and take it like a man - seems like the moderators like my posts and gee i'm probably the only one here that's not just making this shit up.[/quote]

lay off the angel dust, friend. or do you get off on being an internet tough guy even more than on anal ambushing **** girls?

but i have to admit you were right about k street. i've asked around and i guess that is an acceptable term for it among the locals, just like 'b square' is for bessarabska. i'll make sure to use both from now on.

[quote=the connection]like i am one the wrong site "buddy" btw, you do not need a comma if you use or!

man what is wrong with this place, i'm getting called a racist and people telling me i am mental. i was just sharing a report that is what i thought this site was all about!

ok, look i got 2 reports of distinction, and you? suck it up pal or bend over and take it like a man - seems like the moderators like my posts and gee i'm probably the only one here that's not just making this shit up.[/quote]

by the way, being recommended by jackson for a report of distinction isn't necessarily a merit of honor. quite often reports that local experts would classify as mediocre have gotten his recommendation. it's much more meaningful when your peers recommend you. so far your peers haven't exactly been jumping on your bandwagon.

109 has several reports in the reports of distinction threads in the russia board, so he carries clout among his peers... street cred as they say. so far you have none, at least in this forum. that only comes with time and solid credible reports.

not to mention the fact that in your initial report you violated two key forum rules that jackson is rightfully quite particular about:

* mentioning **** girls
* referring to girls in derogatory terms

that in itself is proof that jackson never even read your report... he just looked at its length and grammar and nominated it.

anyway, back to business:
what kind of action is really taking place on k-street in your opinion? just how much "underground" pro and semi-pro action is there?

i've been on kreshatik many times but honestly never used the street as a favorite hunting ground... internet and club action always provided more contacts and leads than i could handle. quite often i'll go places that people say are crawling with pros (arena and 112 are examples) and end up meeting 99% non-pro girls out for a laugh and a drink. that's pretty much been my kreshatik experience as well.

i know the arab attitude is that all provocatively dressed girls are w%ores, but i certainly don't think that way... i just enjoy the view watching them stroll and display. what's your take?

[QUOTE=It Travel]

A question Bez... how convince Mistery Tramp to get all night?

[/QUOTE]

Convince?
There is nyet "convince" for sluts as Mystry Trempsky!
Dengi, moy brat. Dengi fsyo!

Her nasty smelly holes are rent by hour.
You pay, she stay.

But why you ask me of this Tramp? I don't be facking this slot since 2001! When she only was Tramp for one first myesit. Mamachka Zhana make znakomitsa, $60 for hour, $90 is 2, $120 fsyo noch.

What is mystery of this? Its prastoy! Please, why you want fack this slot?
She is nesty skank trash with smells bad. You need to have dizeases? :D

[quote=the connection]hey wait a second, i am not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] anyone! did i say i tied them up, held them down or anything like that? i've never stopped any girl from leaving that is for sure. she doesn't want me - fine let her go. i'm pretty skinny and i have a pretty big dick. the 2 together make me look like i have a really big dick. buy the time i pull it out they are all volunteers.

no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. ok, so maybe a white lie or some broken promises but nothing they wouldn't do to me if the had the chance.

who is destroying paradise, me who gets my pussy for free because i live here and know how to play a stupid 17 year old or you who comes over here payign way too much for a prositute.

when i first came here from saint petersburg i could get a hooker for $60 all night. now they want $100 - 200 an hour! why you ask? stupid westerners spoiling paradise by paying too much. a cute boy can go for as much as $500 a night just because they are so rare and the foriengers will pay. you used to be able to hook up with eager volunteers ready for an experiment for a night on the town.

i'd never do any crime like you suggest really. honestly it just never happened. i don't need to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] anyone and it's not for you to say i am.

if she thinks i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her she can go to the police can't she.

so i suggest you refain from such accusations. i'm sure everyone agrees that i am not a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url].[/quote]

youre a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and its all in your post! treating young girls in this very abusive and rough way, and forcing them into sex!! no wonder why girls later turn into mentally cold persons that only want us for the money! i understand them fully after having met men like you treating them as trash. what kind of man are you treating girls like animals?

you are for sure not a real man! learn to charm them and they will drop their panties, maybe not on the first date but on the second! it happens to me on many occasions so why cant you do the same? and what i say that ofcourse you have to be a much more of a decisive man than in the west to get them. thats what they expact, real male behaviour! however that doesnt mean you treat them like dogs! be a real man, brave, straight forward, charming and also use humour and the fact your from another country and wealthy. the mix depends on the personality of the girl! and believe me, this will take you a long way without any need for brutal behaviour!

even sexy dressed girls in the streets are human beings and you better learn to give a bit of respect on this issue! refering to the turkish tourists; why do you think turks in general have a very bad reputation in east europe? go figure! it doesnt take a rocket scientist to do that!

and if you read my previous posts on this forum, you will realise im not a man who pays top prices for pro girls or spoil girls with expensive gifts.

youre destroying for us all with your aggressive low life behaviour! who needs to force girls to have sex in paradise??? not a real man for sure! only a man who has serious problems!! hopefully destiny will catch up with you!

youre a shame for this forum and i will report your offensive posts to the moderator for removal!

/felix

[QUOTE=The Connection]...... I think the average polite american needs to spend time with some of the turkish tourists that come over here. everything else then seems mild in comparison.
[/QUOTE]

What do the Turks do? Just out of curiosity. I guess I'm a polite American.

i think some accusations geared towards the connection's post are unjust, just my feelings, i think what he's doing is communicating with these girls as a ukraine guy would, now i think we all know that guys here are very aggressive when it comes to picking up girls, if a girl agrees to go to a ukraine guy's flat, a guy she most recently met, they both know they'll be sex, it's just one of many an unwritten rules involving relationships between the locals here.

many of the girls here like dating guys with a western mentality, they love it, they know that they can be treated to a very nice dinner at a great restaurant and they are under no obligation for sex, with a ukraine guy it would be different, the guy knows this before he asks and the girl knows this before she accepts.

after living in east ukraine for almost three yrs, and visiting the fsu since '92, not a day goes by when i wish i was a bit more aggressive in dealing with these girls here, in a polite way of course, but it's not my nature, i am a very quiet, and shy guy, ( i know, i know, there's no reason for this, i'm damn good looking :))) i am totally an intervorted person, not just with the girls but with people i dont know as well. at times i ve showed an aggressive (means mild compared to otherguys) attituted towards girls, but it displays a sence of phonyness about me, so i act natural, and they're girls here who like shy guys.

in essence, girls here are use to guys being very aggressive towards them, and i think the connection has copied their ( local guys) techniques, and it appears to have worked for him, i don't see [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or any type of violence in any of his posts, yes he's very aggressive, but the girls here are use to it, and many expect it from a guy.

... just look at ALL the Ladies that stress in their profile NO men from Turkish or Arabic countries/nationalities!

These 'girls' are smart enough for ALL of us!

LS Guy

[quote=the connection]* **** is 15 here

you don't expect me to sit here and take this crap from you guys, i have a huge database of girls, live right on maidan .. you are not going to get me to post by pretending to be reasonable and asking questions.

my take is come to kiev and after we have met in person then ill give you my take. 109 is here, i offered to take him out. your opinion of him is high let him give a report of a night out with the a real pro at the game.[/quote]

i know what **** in ukr is. **** on this forum is 17. according to forum rules, you shouldn't post info about girls under 18. i tend to think you know that and are just trying to provoke a response for your own entertainment.

as for kreshatik, i'll copy your technicque this weekend and go around offering girls orange juice and a foot bath.

[quote=doctor_skank]i know what **** in ukr is. **** on this forum is 17. [b]according to forum rules, you shouldn't post info about girls under 18[/b]. i tend to think you know that and are just trying to provoke a response for your own entertainment.[/quote]
doc is right. as a new member, i suggest you invest some time in reading forum rules. for this particular topic, just have a look here:

[url=http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1073]why does this site prohibit discussions of sex with young girls?[/url]

and in case you're too lazy to click on the link, here is the most relevant point:

[i]the forum has a zero tolerance policy prohibiting reports containing any references to any persons [b]under the age of 18[/b]. please read the forum's posting guidelines for further information. persons violating this policy will have their membership [b]terminated immediately.[/b][/i]

many other members have been banned for this reason already.

i also suggest that you read other forum rules and follow them. i am absolutely sure that you are the most knowledgeable monger in this forum and are 100% right, but rules are unfortunately set up by forum administrator, not by new members. ;)

jim

[quote=timmy21]i think some accusations geared towards the connection's post are unjust, just my feelings, i think what he's doing is communicating with these girls as a ukraine guy would, now i think we all know that guys here are very aggressive when it comes to picking up girls, if a girl agrees to go to a ukraine guy's flat, a guy she most recently met, they both know they'll be sex, it's just one of many an unwritten rules involving relationships between the locals here.

many of the girls here like dating guys with a western mentality, they love it, they know that they can be treated to a very nice dinner at a great restaurant and they are under no obligation for sex, with a ukraine guy it would be different, the guy knows this before he asks and the girl knows this before she accepts.

after living in east ukraine for almost three yrs, and visiting the fsu since '92, not a day goes by when i wish i was a bit more aggressive in dealing with these girls here, in a polite way of course, but it's not my nature, i am a very quiet, and shy guy, ( i know, i know, there's no reason for this, i'm damn good looking :))) i am totally an intervorted person, not just with the girls but with people i dont know as well. at times i ve showed an aggressive (means mild compared to otherguys) attituted towards girls, but it displays a sence of phonyness about me, so i act natural, and they're girls here who like shy guys.

in essence, girls here are use to guys being very aggressive towards them, and i think the connection has copied their ( local guys) techniques, and it appears to have worked for him, i don't see [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or any type of violence in any of his posts, yes he's very aggressive, but the girls here are use to it, and many expect it from a guy.[/quote]

i agree.

the connection's posts make me uncomfortable as we in the more civilized part of the world are conditioned to treat women with more respect. just look at all the hollywood movies, men seeking approval from women, trying to impress women, etc...but i believe the connection is doing the same things that local ukrainian men are doing, by being very aggressive which by our standards, seems repulsive and violent (including myself). if legal age of consent is 16 in ukraine, than tc didn't break any law. however, as i mentioned, we from the more civilized parts of the world find it repulsive that an middle-aged men having sex with girls under 18.

russian/ukrainian men treat women like crap, but try arabs/middle easterns/the stans, women are treated like cattles. we're so nice, and that sometimes make us look like wimps or chumps.

[QUOTE=CharlieH]If legal age of consent is 16 in Ukraine, than TC didn't break any law.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid you missed the point. It's not a question of legal age, it's a question of [b]forum rules[/b], set-up by Jackson. See Doc's and my post below.

Jackson clearly stated that "[i]The Forum has a Zero Tolerance policy [b]prohibiting reports containing any references to any persons under the age of 18[/b]. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. Persons violating this policy will have their membership terminated immediately[/i]".

And if you mind reading the forum rules, Jackson also clearly stated that the age of 18 is [b]his[/b] rules, and that he couldn't care less if the legal age of consent is lower in a given country.

Jim

PS: Just in case you don't know who is Jackson, well, he's our host, the guy who set-up and runs this forum. The boss here, whether we like his rules or not.

if the connection would have done the same thing in most western countries he would pretty soon have found himself charged for sexual assault and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and get caught by the police. and placed where he belong! in ukraine he continue to behave like an animal because these poor girls will most likely not go to the police for this reason. its likely that she would have getting laughed at, because she went with a foreign man. girls often have a hard life and they do still belive foreign men to be more nice! bribes to the police would also get an abusive man or a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] set on free foot, provided the girl didnt come from a wealthy family. then tc would have been in big trouble!

the bottom line is that if foreign men continue to treat east european girls like cheap trash we are digging our own grave. same thing goes for if we toss hundred dollar bills after them. end of that part!

its not a coincidence why so many girls from ee want to get out of their place and find a better man. its of course about better living conditions and money but another major reason is because many men from russia, ukraine, belarus and many ee countries treat their women in a really bad way. severe beatings and rude treatment are so common. and its also true that many girls dont search for arabs and turks because of their rude behaviour. there are good guys among these peoples also, but there is sadly a truth behind the rumour!

i personally know a ee girl that was raped by a foreign man (i dont mention the nation) and since then she really is very careful to go with foreign men! she needs a lot of time to build up confidence with a man not to let this happen again! go figure!

so, we dont have to be brutal to these girls to shag them! dont be a sissy but a real man! agressive behaviour to get fast and easy enjoyment of having "stupid girls that deserves being treated like trash" no matter if they want it or not will give us all hunters worse times in the future!

sustainability is the name of the game! and learn how to play in the real way, and we can hopefully continue to harvest fruits in the future!!

"walk carefully in paradise and enjoy the beautiful flowers you like, and appreciate that! dont step on the flowers or destroy for other people wanting to enjoy those beautiful flowers"

your fellow hunter,
felix

Ruslana from [url]http://www.gia.com. Ua[/url] As wonderful as her kitty tasted, I knew I had to have those lips around big Mike so I pulled her off the bed, kissed her and lay down. She knelt over me, drawing me into her mouth and providing me with sensations I hadn't felt in a long time. Wow!

I felt an overwhelming urge to be inside her and I asked if she would let me. She straddled me, pulling my boy deep inside her. There I am, laying on my back with my hands on the breasts of an angel who was riding me and I wondered, "Could it get any better than this? " The answer was yes because, while her kitty was sucking at my rod, she leaned over and took my face in her hands and started kissing me like I was her boyfriend. Her hair was on my face and her scent filled my nostrils and I was on the verge of losing it. I think if it was up to Ruslana, we may have spent the entire evening this way. Me deep inside her and she, almost hungrily, kissing me!

[QUOTE=ChrisForSex]Ruslana from [url]http://www.gia.com. Ua[/url] As wonderful as her kitty tasted, I knew I had to have those lips around big Mike so I pulled her off the bed, kissed her and lay down. She knelt over me, drawing me into her mouth and providing me with sensations I hadn't felt in a long time. Wow!

I felt an overwhelming urge to be inside her and I asked if she would let me. She straddled me, pulling my boy deep inside her. There I am, laying on my back with my hands on the breasts of an angel who was riding me and I wondered, "Could it get any better than this? " The answer was yes because, while her kitty was sucking at my rod, she leaned over and took my face in her hands and started kissing me like I was her boyfriend. Her hair was on my face and her scent filled my nostrils and I was on the verge of losing it. I think if it was up to Ruslana, we may have spent the entire evening this way. Me deep inside her and she, almost hungrily, kissing me![/QUOTE]


I tried Ruslanas' "girlfriend" Okana, nice but nothing exceptional... By the way she is far to tall (really 180 cm) for my taste... and not so wild. I farly prefer Yulia and Irina: two pigs! They miss only two things... Anal and swallowing !
Otherwise they are very good. As all at Gia a little bit (50-100 USD) overpriced, but you are safe and have no hassles at all. I will soon :) get ther and I hope to get both plus some others including the stunner Yana (she is just a teen!).

If needed (due to absence or period of others) I'll tale Ruslana.

Thanks
IT

Chrisforsex - bad fiction or an ad for GIA.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Chrisforsex - bad fiction or an ad for GIA.[/QUOTE]

The former, I think. I don't think anyone at Gia could be responsible for an ad like that. I would guess that they're too jaded and detached to ever think along such romanticized lines.

I, for one, am glad that there are still people out there who see sex with hookers in such a rosy light.

[Edit] His report looked so much better when I thought his username was "Christ for sex".

[quote=the connection]my take is come to kiev and after we have met in person then ill give you my take. 109 is here, i offered to take him out. your opinion of him is high let him give a report of a night out with the a real pro at the game.[/quote]

i'm usually always up for meeting new people, but in your case, [i]brett[/i], i'd rather be on a cautious side. after your off-hand remark about $500 boys, and something i heard through the grapevine about those venezuelan orphans (it's a small world), i really can't be sure if i'd be your wingman, or your victim. i'm sorry, but i really can't accept an invitation from a self-admitted anal burglar.

[QUOTE=One O Nine]The former, I think. I don't think anyone at Gia could be responsible for an ad like that. I would guess that they're too jaded and detached to ever think along such romanticized lines.

I, for one, am glad that there are still people out there who see sex with hookers in such a rosy light.

[Edit] His report looked so much better when I thought his username was "Christ for sex".[/QUOTE]


I really do not know what it is, but I can say that with Yulia and Irina (specially with Yulia) you can have a real nice GFE, specially if you take them for a day or so, not for short time.

With Oksana the experience is so so.

Viola and Snejana are, in reality, (but I had a funny story with Snejana) like normal pros...

Of course all depends on how you treat them and so on...

Soon I'll get again (hope) to bed with both Yulia and Irina... :)

PS This is not an ad!

IT

[QUOTE=ChrisForSex]Ruslana from [url]http://www.gua.com. Ua[/url] As wonderful as her kitty tasted, I knew I had to have those lips around big Mike so I pulled her off the bed, kissed her and lay down. She knelt over me, drawing me into her mouth and providing me with sensations I hadn't felt in a long time. Wow! . . .Me deep inside her and she, almost hungrily, kissing me![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cruiser D]Chrisforsex - bad fiction or an ad for GIA. [/QUOTE]Right. Think this post of [b]ChrisForSex[/b] it is bad fiction as well as an add for GIA.
70% of the 16 posts of ChrisForSex are bragging about girls from GIA.
20% of his posts are cracking down websites of other agencies in Kiev.
Pretty obvious to me. An add for GIA!
Happens every once in a while. Business must be slow lately. No wonder with the rates they quote!

Here some comments on other posts that might be an advertisement from GIA masquerading as a legit report.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=548485#post548485[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=552441#post552441[/url] <======= Comments in reaction to another post by ChrisForSex

bloody hell - what's gotten into the lot of you?

i'm posting merely to say i'm utterly perturbed by the inherent downword spin of this site!

is there anyone left here? i've been reading this site for since 2001. good honest information. i've never written anything till now and when i do it's to cry rubbish!

you used to find out when a new madam opened up shop or a tale of a odd meeting. now it's regressed to harrassing board members and gross advertisement.

and the americans! bloody hell you boys will never learn with your pompus courting - you are spoiling the slit for all of us.

and why attack another member ok so he's new and maybe he's got a few skeletons in the closet. don't we all? i give him credit for cutting to the fox chase and having the nuts to post it here.

out of all of this i can tell the only 2 real posters are cruiser and the other chap.

felix is out of his mind.

one o nine obviously is extremely jealous of everyone elses backdoor action. anal ambush? anal burglar? mate you got some role playing fantasy you'd like to share with the lot of us? gi joe in american yes? anal burglar i like that myself think i'll try it.

[blue][deleted by admin][/blue]

oh and the englishman living in sevastopol writes he's been there for 15 months and claims the main street in the town is moscow street. if you are going to make up a story the least you could do is look on a map when you lie about streets.

connection has to have done much of what's been written. that bloke couldn't have thought us that and its obvious from the things he writes he has been in ukraine too long. the last post was obviously a satire on the gia post, well, that was my first impression. after looking at the picture and noting it's a russian interior i have to wonder. after reading some of his posts i have to stop wondering. that's not sexy at all. i almost lost my breakfast.

i'd like to plea to return to the type of posts we enjoyed so much. less of the bickering and more of the shagging. i think cruiser is a good example. his posts are mostly hypoanalytical and economic and less of the fantasial preschool jibberish.

[size=-2][u]editor's note[/u]: [blue]this report was edited to [u]remove references to **** persons[/u].

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentialy pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterperated, and without starting flame wars.

please do not post references to **** persons in the forum. [i]thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=Observeration]Bloody Hell - what's gotten into the lot of you?

Like you've never done it. And all this talk of young boys. You really should check out the other site. I don't understand the animosity. It's as if none of you have been to Thailand! relax. Age isn't so important and one thing I'll tell you from the back it doesn't matter much boy or girl. Get off your high horse![/QUOTE]So you have been waiting around lurking all this time only to come out of the closet and say you like buggering boys (I'm sure you thought them a girl at the moment of penetration), complain that the forum has become unproductive while at the same time not posting anything of value yourself and then bitching about some of this forums best posters?

And if you go to Thailand to fuck kids, you are disgusting. You are a disgrace to whichever nation you call home. I hope it's not England, I know plenty of people from there and unlike you, they had class. Crawl back under the rock you came out from under and stay there.

Hi,

I'm a Norwegian citizan and i will like to move to Ukraine:) to do some buissenes, can anybodey hwo lives in ukraine give me any information about that,please. Thaks and sorry about my english.

[quote=fido dido]right. think this post of [b]chrisforsex[/b] it is bad fiction as well as an add for gia.

70% of the 16 posts of chrisforsex are bragging about girls from gia.
20% of his posts are cracking down websites of other agencies in kiev.
pretty obvious to me. an add for gia!

happens every once in a while. business must be slow lately. no wonder with the rates they quote!

here some comments on other posts that might be an advertisement from gia masquerading as a legit report.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=548485#post548485[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=552441#post552441[/url] <======= comments in reaction to another post by chrisforsex[/quote]friends,

i have no idea!

i have also written on gia girls, used them and will use them again, but i have written good, so so, and even bad reports.

in any case i must say that thus a little bit over priced (basing the price on the girls standard, usually 5-7) gia is safe, reliable and always in time. this make me happy not to sit two hours wating on a wh*** in a bar or at home!

some "freelancer" are much better of course, like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], but she is not freelancing any more :(

it