Hanoi

I don't agree that Hanoi is lacking in decent places. Apocalypse now is, admittedly a little rough, but if you go between 11 and midnight the place is packed 7 days a week. The going price for the night is $30-40 and I never negotiate until the next morning. The nicer you are to the lady, the cheaper the price, and I've had several who only wanted cab fare. This is especially possible if you let the girl know that you like her and would like to see her again. The same is true for New Century where you should go if you strike out at Apocalypse becau, se it's open until about 3 AM.

Also, it's pretty easy to meet women anywhere in the city just by talking to them and making arrangements to take them to dinner or a drink so someplace they wouldn't normally get to go such as the Press Club, Au Lac or any one of a dozen others. Hanoi may not be a brash as HCM, but it has it's own charms.

I would stay away from the Fortuna, the Daewoo and the other hotels with "hostess" bars. There are plenty of women there, and they are all available, but its expensive, you have to wait until the "hostesses" are off duty, and you have to pay for their company while they're on duty. I have an apartment here, so I don't know about the accessibility of hotels with girls in tow, but I would recommend furnished apartments to anyone staying here more than a week. They're clean, well-equipped and cost no more than a moderately-priced hotel.

Happy Chap, you may have to work slightly harder here than you would in Saigon, but it's worth it as it's not as commercial and the girls are, by and large, not as hard-edged. As to a hotel, try the Elegant II. It's in the center of everything, about a 5 minute walk from Apocalypse now and a 10 minute ride from New Century. The rooms are clean, you can negotiate a rate o about $25 per night, and you won't get any hassle.

Goodenough,

Thanx for the tip. Will take your advice. It does seem that the more expensive hotels tend to escalate everything else. Wish I had a bit more time to spend and stay in a service apartment.

Will try to locate Elegant II in the internet.

I am in the same mind as you. Saigon is easier but probably pretty spoilt over the years. I was at Metrople Hotel then, there was good action but I was tied up with other things, so I had to give it a missed. Just the massage & hankypanky. Hanoi is a bit more elegant and less damaged by commercialism. Will have to see.

If you have any good contacts for chicks, do let me know - breeze1701@hotmail.com. Will report on what I manage in Hanoi when I get there.

Hanoi part II, or about a place to avoid.

We went for a massage to some Hotel that I can't really rememeber, my masseuse was not transmitting any sexy vibe and did not delivered a very good massage neither, so I passed on the HJ she offered. It is a legit place or so I'm told. vnd 80,000 + 50,000 tip. After resting some more, my friend said he wasn't interested in Apocalypse so we head to Fortune at about 11.30. The place is fakeness at the highest level. The only situation in which I would patronize it again would be if I had to entertrain customers, being baked-up by a fat expense account. Singers are lipsynced, the furniture is cheesy and the overall atmosphere is the one of an upscale bordello. Admitted, some of the girls are very pretty and well dressed, but soft drinks at usd 6.50 sounds excessive even for wester countries.
As soon you sit the mamasan asks if you want company, of course you must buy drinks for your girl too. The take-out fee is usd 28 for all night. We picked a stunning beauty for my friend (that speaks viet) and another for me. After 30 seconds of talking my friend tells me that she doesn't want to go with me and I tought he was joking. But no, she had said some bullshit about being a virgin, later I've learned that she was worried about the size of my dick, god only knows why, me being a regular white guy. Anyway, I sent her away and we were informed about the above said house rules. I've immediately tried to negotiate a deal with the mamasan threatening the terrible effects of a bad report on this board that is read daily by bazillions of horny punters. As expected, that had zero effect and the only smartness we could come out with was to pay one barfine only and have the girl to call another friend to meet outside of the hotel. She promised that friend to be beautiful (how original) and made some vaugue gesture that hinted to sizeable breasts. Well so we sit in a taxi waiting for her, once arrived she sits right behind me and holds my hand until we get to the hotel. By the little I was able to see she was cute enough even if equipped with one of these moonlike round faces. At the hotel, we sit in my room, I approach my 'beauty' and began to realize what a dog she really was. At some point she lifts one of her pants legs showing a bulky ankle and an unshaved leg. Add this to the fact she was sexy like a piece of forniture, it was enough to decide to cut my losses and send her away with vnd 100,000. As she didn't even tried to lure me into whatever her business is supposed to be, and insisted on usd50 all the time, I would have given her even less if was not for my friend's 'generosity'. After that, in a desperate move I head for apocalypse, just to find it airtight closed at about 1 am. To add to situation, the cab driver was so slow that really got on my nerves. Once I got back at the hotel door I see the girl still there with a guy, for a moment I was a little worried, as I have been in a similar situation that ended in a street fight. But nothing happened and I went to sleep, happy that at least I didn't had to come into intimacy with such an unpleasant girl. The following day I learn from my friend that his girl (not surprisingly) was very unexperienced also and left him basically unsatisfied, for the records she didn't even wanted to do a doggie style. Well, so much for the string of bad luck or (genuine mistakes) that happened to us.
Today I'm back in HCM, have already meet my local, she rushed to my hotel with pizza, school books and an huge sexual appetite. I'm afraid that if things keep going this way I'll have no further reports from Vietnam, but you shall (should ?) read from me again when in Thailand.

Over and out (or whatever they say)

Happy Chap:
If you want a service apartment for a long or short stay, try the Hanoi Towers. The apartments are well-furnished but pricey and start at about $65 per night. However, they'll take guests for long and short term stays. I have a service apartment in a smaller building near the Apocalypse, but it's full of mostly longer-term guests. There are other service apartments out by the lake, but these are pretty far from the center of town. Forgot to mention in my email that the Relax Bar, which is a 1 minute walk from the Hanoi Towers is also a big expat hang out, as is the Spotted Cow which is not far away. Both places feature women, but the Relax is a little difficult for a short term encounter. However, you will meet a lot of expat guys who know every place there is to know in the city. I went to the New Century last Saturday around midnight and it was jammed with women. Don't think you'll have any problems. In fact last night I was stopped for the first time by a chick on a motorbike. I didn't pursue it but she was good looking.

Went to the Press Club last night to hear some live music, and heard about a bar here called "Hale's" (pronounced Holly's) which is supposedly quite good, with girls dancing on the bar, waitresses dancing in the aisles and everyone available. Will try to check it out in the next couple of days. It's out by the lake, so it's a little far from the center of town. If any of you have heard of or experienced this place, please let me know if it's worthwhile.

Also went back to New Century last night. It was absolutely packed at about 11:30 and by 12:30 it was getting a little tough to move. Have noticed that there seem to be more new faces there than at Apocalypse and for sure the girls there are more aggressive.

For those who haven't tried the place, I would recommend spending some time in the upstairs bar. It's quieter, lighter (you can see the girls better) and sooner or later everyone downstairs seems to circulate for a while upstairs as well.

Hi Everybody,
Was in Hanoi this week end and stayed at the Daewoo Hanoi Hotel.
What a nice hotel. And full of Koreans. Great food and decent pricves to my standards.
Now, the best is the Health Club.
Went there and ask for a massage. They ask me if I wanted a one hour massage and I said yes.
Went to the locker room, get undressed, went for a shower and a boy brought me a towel a short pan and a robe. Dispose of the short and put on the robe and off I went to meet my masseuse. There come a very pretty young lady probably in her 20 to 25 at max. Very cute, long hair, very nice legs, nice face, smiling. A number 8 in all meaning. I enter the room. Sher followed. She prepared the table and asked me to get undressed. I obliged and went all naked. She seems a bit shy to see all what nature, God and my mother provided me but smile at me, looked at it again that looked at my in the eyes and smiled very gently.
She deemed the light and then started to provide me with a very decent oil massage for about 1 hour. She massaged thouroughly my legs, often going up with her hands up to my balls and sometimes my shaft. I went hard and she could not notice it. I kept quiet anyway. After one our she was ending her massage by massaging my tummy. Then, very slowly, she removed the towel that she had placed on my hard bonnie and looked at it and stared at me, smiling gently again. She started to massage my balls very slowly like she was afraid to break them. Then went very slowly up to my dick and rubbed it again very slowly. Doing so she was alterning stared right into my eyer wit a very nice smile and look onto what she was doing. She then took some oil and massaged both my balls and my shaft a bit more quickly but still very gently. Then she put her left hand finger on my protate point, discovered my dick completely and started to masturbate me the way I really like. When she felt I was going to come, she went done on my face and gave my a kiss. Not a Fench one though. During the whole time she allowed me to roam over her very nice but small body. Didn;t not allow me to take her breast out though. I went up and high and she smiled at the mess I did. She continued to massaged my scortch gently for quite a long time after I came. Then she cleaned everything and washed her hands and then went to massage my shoulder to finish. She then asked me to stand up and told me it was over and that she hoped I really enjoyed it and would be very pleased massage me again if I would come back. Said her number was 9. She then took me back to the locker room and gently wave good by.
She did not eben ask for money !!!! I had just pay at the entrance the equivalent to US$20 !!!!
To be sure of the deal, I came back the next day. I requested her this time but she was out for lunch so I had to wait till 3:00 p.m. Which I did going to the sauna. By 2:45 she came back and went to see who could have requested her (does not seem so frequent). When she saw me waiting, she look quite happy and came and took me by the hand to drive me to the room. Going through the corridor, I noticed that some rooms have just a mat on the floor. A mat that can accomodate 2 persons. I ask what this was for. She said that it was for a very special massage. And that maybe next time.... I insisted to try but she refused. So we went to the same room as the day before. And guess what ? She provided the exact same service. It even seemed to be better for me. This time she really let me understood during the whjole mregular massage that I was going to be pleased, as sher intentionaly went to place her hands strategically on my balls and dicks several times in a row. She even gave me the shavering by gently scratching my legs up to my neck passing by my ass with her nice nails. She place gently her oily hands and fingers several time in my ass valey. When I turned back I was with a real bone between the legs that could hardly by hidden with the towel. She smiled at it but continued the massage. And went for the same happy ending except that this time she allowed me to French kiss her several time. But not to take her breast out. When I asked if she could give me a blow job she gently declined. When I said why she answereed : not this time. She had me come really good and then cleanerd everything.
And the same thing as the previous day as she took me back to the loocker room and hugged my goodbye. No money requested. I was stoned.
So you guess what. I came bsack the following day.
This time again, no way to discover the couch room as it was still for very special massage. But all the rest was exactly the same. I was a bit ashamed of myself to take advantage of such a good service almost for free that I gave her a very nice tip (50US$) saying that it was for her gift purchase for Moon cake festival. She looked so happyand says that it was very kind of me but that it was not necessary. She nevertheless kept the money and gave me a very nice hug and deep kiss. And drove me back to the locker room. On the way back I isisted to know what was the very special massage and its mysterous room. Then she answered that I should ask for it next time and went away.
When exiting the health club I tried to know what this could be./ Nothing special was mentioned on the board. One of the club boy told me that they could provide any type of massage upon request and that shiatsu, as well as viet massage, swedish massahe and... thai massage were available. The couch is for Thai massage.
Unfortunately,. I had to leave Hanoi by the evening so I could nmot come bavk the following day to check this one.
If any of you go and try, please post so that I do not die a perfect idiot...
Cheers to all

Wolf

Second post from Hanoi.
I had the opportunity to visit New Century club on Saturday night.
That was packed with a lot of very interesting girls, a large part being pros or semi pros. I had a cutie who just went straight on me about 3mn after my arrival and grabbed me by the waist, gave me a hug and said she would stay with me. She drove me to the bar, let me ask for a drink for me (she had her own in hands) and simply just cuddled on me for about 10mn. A fellow monger who was next to me at the bar and was receiving the same treatment from a girl he apparently alreadyt knew explained me that their way of hunting was quite peculiar and that once that either had got you in a bed once or simply just decided that she will, they were turning quite territorial and preventing you from going to other girls and more surely other girls to come to you. I moved on and let the cutioe alone. She did not look very happy but I had to make my own discoveries. I went down to the first floor and discover a lot of girls, some who did not look at all as pros (but whjo could eventually have been).
Every single one trying to make eye contact with the poor guy alone in the crowd. One very nice looking (a definite 8) but also surely a real pro and very sexy dressed went to me and said that she could go to my hotel right now and have sex with me. A bit straight forward but when you are in a hurry I guess some appreciate these type of approach. I told her I could not now as I was waiting for some friends (which was really the case). She said that she could wait gor about one hour and would not be too far from me in cade I decide to go. And she returned to her group of friends (all very nice girls) and continue to look at me every other minutes. Then my friends called and told me they were having a great time in a nice restaurant and would take more time and will head immediatly after to a KTV. So I went and meet with them. Too bad I had to leave.
But I am sure next time I shall visit again as I now know that I can find nice and decent sandwiches to bring back home.
Do not know at all about prices that could be asked for.
Any body has any clue to provide ?
How much for ST ?
How much for whole night ?
What do they provided and allow to do ?
3some possible ?
Thanks

Wolf

Wolf,
Nice reporting! Jeesh, she almost got me hard just reading about it!LOL Any other spots around? Never been to the "nam" but want to.
Happy Trails!

Guys, am visiting Hanoi later in mid-Sept for about a week. Question 1, is what's a guest friendly hotel ? I'm currently booked at the Sofitel-Metropole, and if memory serves me correctly from my last visit a year ago, the place did not seem very guest friendly. I was there only for a couple of days and had no chance to indulge. Hope to correct that this time !! Any tips on the hotels would be greatly appreciated.

Fast Freddie:
Most of the girls at the New Century will ask you for about $40 but you can bargain this down ever more as the night gets later. This is for the whole night, and most don't want to stay for only a short time. I've had several girls there not ask for anything in the morning.

I would appreciate information regarding the visa situation in Vietnam. I will be in Haikou (Hainan island), China which is so damn close that I have to make the effort, even if it would be a very short visit. Has anyone here gone from Haikou to Hanoi?

Can I get an entry visa when I arrive in Vietnam (as is possible in Cambodia)? I assume there are flights from Hanoi to Guangzhou (my next stop).

Since the PRC and Vietnam are not on great terms these days, any hassles re-entering China from Vietnam?

I would stay maybe two nights before heading back to China. What is a girl friendly hotel near New Century? I am not looking for a 5 star. Just girl friendly, well located for sanuk with safe deposit boxes for valuables. That's all.

The scene sounds great. Thanks in advance.

No problem at all to go back and forth between the two contries. Should be a Vietnamese consulate in Canton. Ask for a reentry visa. By the way, Haikou is much more sexy that Hanoi ! The girls are les pretty that the Viets, but choice larger. And girl friendly hotels are far less a problem in Haikou. For me, if I were in Haikou, it would not make sense to go just for 2 days for sex to Hanoi.

Thanks, Erik. Your advice is much appreciated, since I know you have visited and reported on so many places in China.

Here's an off topic question, have you ever had any fun in WenZhou (Zhenjiang). If not, I will just have to blaze the trail since I'll be there for two nights.

Thanks again.

Sorry, not recently. But I think it should ne an open city, sexwise. Let us know, please.

Erik, will do. Most likely on the Ningbo board as this seems closest. Thanks again for your input, I've decided to just stay in Haikou with my chums as all reports from China say it is business as usually. Just goes to show that you can't slow down a well-oiled machine.