Massages

Great pointer on the hour session. I sometimes tend to be a quick shooter. Has anyone ever negotiated for a two-pop in an hour session? That would certainly warrant a nice tip.

We had this discussion on the Chicago board a couple of years ago. I think the consesous was, you would be hard-pressed to get a second shot. Some suggested cleaning the pipes before hand so that you were a little slower on the draw. Although I would tend to agree with you, once that well oiled hand touchs me, I tend to go pretting quickl

There was a spa in the Chicago area where the girls were doing their handy work in the shower, which raised the possibility of more later on. But I think we all realized it was so they could clean up eaiser and not deal with clothing issues in the room.

Catfish, if you want to pop twice, you usually have to pay twice, or at least pay more. I had that problem too when I first started visiting AMPs. I would get so excited that I would only get a couple strokes before I blew my wad. What I did was I started to jerk off before I went. When I did that, I lasted longer and had a better time with the provider. Soon, I didn't have to do that any more. I became more relaxed with every visit and was able to overcome my nervousness and anxiety that was causing my 'problem.'

Dear Catfish:

Both Boxcc and HappyGardener make some good comments.

Over the years, there have been a few occasions where I have had two shots during a 1-hour session at an AMP in Connecticut. In every case, it was with a girl who I had been more than once in the past.

In one case, the girl did FS right after the TS, then gave me a decent massage, then finished me off with a HJ at the end, after first hinting that the tip would be $120 not the usual $100. Fine with me, and needless to say, I then always asked for her during future visits for the same two-shot service, until she left the AMP.

In two other cases (both at HJ-only AMPs), I would receive a HJ during the table shower, then a great, sexy second HJ at the end of the hour. Neither girl asked for a slightly bigger tip, but I gave one anyway - I'm sure that they knew that I would. My guess is that both girls were doing this as a non-rule-breaking way of getting a bigger tip, since obviously the tips at HJ-only place will be smaller than at a FS AMP. :)

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For non-AMPs, it depends on both the MP and the girl. But usually the big issues are time and money. Several girls at the MPs in Houston, Texas (Escape in Houston, GFE, the various Latina spas) will "ring your bell two times" but it depends on the girl (and also on whether you yourself can do two times in an hour!). During a visit to Houston last year, I had two-shot sessions at both Escape 1 with Susan ($240 total for BBBJ at beginning, covered FS at end) and with Lisa at Maria's Escorts ($160 total). Susan's gone from Escape but several other girls are up for two shots if you are. And Lisa is now working at GFE Houston.

Guys read this study on Asian girls in massage parlors in SF.

Pay close attention to the findings.

http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/publications/nemoto.pdf

Muggs,

Thanks for the post. Interesting reading. Here on the East Coast of the U.S., my favorite AMP has an "official" but unposted "no FS" and "girls must keep their clothes on" house policy to keep the peace with LE. Of course, in the privacy of the massage room, these can be easily negotiated away with a provider based on a decent tip (five Jacksons in our area).

Because of the strict "house policy" the girls aren't allowed to have condoms on them so if you ask for full service and are denied, that's probably why at this establishment. Whenever I bring my own condom, especially when I call ahead for an appointment, I've never had a problem getting full service.

In fact, one time recently I was the first customer of the day and a slew of others arrived soon after me. I regularly see the same provider so we've built up quite a rapport. I usually can manage some extra time. This time, she asked after the TS if we could forego the "massage" and go right to the main event! I obliged since I know she'll treat me right next time.

The study's findings on violence towards providers was certainly troubling. While there are a fair share of AMP girls that are good con artists, there are also a few that really get into it even if they really hate their line of work or at least put up a good front for the customer that don't deserve threats or actual violence from customers. It's with the latter that I try to build up a good client/provider relationship like anyone would in any line of business (remember that even though it's part service, part fantasy, it's still a business relationship.)

I continue to be amazed of customers (at least here in the U.S. anyway) that barge into an AMP, try to tip sub-standard or the absolute minimum, treat the girls horribly, and then complain about a "mechanical" performance based on some of the reports I've read here. No wonder.

My favorite provider will now FS me without even seeing the tip money up front because she knows I won't rip her off if she doesn't rip me off. This is paying the going rate for our area with an occasional bonus for an exceptional performance.

Finally, I noticed the population of this study was predominatly workers from SE Asia. Here on the East Coast, at least where I frequent, the providers are mostly Korean so I wonder how much of a variance there might be in attitudes and experiences.

Spyguy, I have found that I have had my best MP experiences at a Korean establishment. I think it has something to do with the culture. I have found that if you treat them with respect and kindness, it will be returned to you.

I also agree with becoming a regular at a place if at all possible. That way they get to know you and you them. Everyone is more comfortable and a better time is had by all. It is very nice to get the massage, get the service then pay for it. I like building trust. Actually, I think the girls like it too because I always pay more for great service. If I pay up front, it never seems that I get the great service and the girls never seem to work hard enough to get that extra tip. So, if I pay afterwards, they usually end up with more money and I had better service, again, everybody is happy.

I do not like using a spa that has American girls. American girls think their shit is worth more and usually charge accordingly. And, to top it off, the American girls never seem to get into their work like the Asians do. Don't get me wrong, I've had a few good experiences with American girls, but for the most part I am usually left wanting more. I much prefer an AMP.

A long time ago when I first got into mongering, it was because of an AMP in St. Joseph, Missouri. One day a sign appeared in a low rent strip mall that said "Tokyo Spa".

I went, and a beautiful young woman answered the door. She told me $25 for a half hour, $50 for an hour. I paid, and she led me to a room with a bed in it, and gave me a massage, that was all. I didn't know how to ask, and she didn't offer. This was in the very early days of the internet, and I didn't have any resources on the subject.

I went back, got a massage, tipped twenty bucks, and nothing. I was pretty broke, so it was a week before I could go back, but I did, and tipped $40 bucks.

In the middle of the massage she told me to roll over, and I got a wonderful HJ.

I became a once a week customer, and saw several different girls. After six weeks or so, the one I was with that day stopped where the hand job would have happened, and left the room. When she came back she had on an old looking, see-through black teddy.

She put a hat on me, and rode me cowgirl. I tipped $20 more (a otal of $85, a fortune for a young broke person in that day).

After a few weeks of CG with one or another of the three girls that lived there, each time with them leaving and changing into the same teddy, I went in to my appointment, and told the girl to go change right away. She looked at me, a little mystified, and then did. I put her on the table, massaged her, and did mish.

I'm telling you that was the best AMP I have ever seen, and the best two years of my life. They never changed in front of me, were always freshly showered, and very quiet.

One day I went to my normal appointment, went back to the massage room, and one of the three girls was there, already in the teddy. She was standing with her hand on the table. She looked back at me and said

"John...fuck please."

It was awesome.

The very best memory I have is the day a new girl came to the massage room for the first time. She was awkward, and as I didn't know her, I was a bit nervous. then one of the other girls came in and started talking to her in what I assume is Chinese. Her eyes got big, and she immediately left, coming back in the teddy. The more experienced girl stayed in the very small room with us, speaking softly in Chinese, coaching the new girl. It seemed to turn the more experienced one on, and when it was all done, the new girl left and I DATY'd the more experienced one to a nice, loud O.

An odd note, I saw several of these girls working at a chinese buffet in town, a time or two. They moved around a lot, and in the two years I was there, there were probably twelve girls who worked at the spa, usually three living there at a time.

Boxcc,

I definitely agree with your assessment based on my experience. For example, during a session recently with my regular provider at a Korean AMP, we returned to the massage room together after the TS. Typically, the girls leave the room for a few minutes (perhaps to lube up) before starting the massage and the extras (this is the time I usually take the tip money and my personally provided condom out and set it on the table next to the bed underneath my watch), but this time she didn't leave. After a great massage and BBBJ, we went right to FS and a near-GFE. I never mentioned the tip and she never asked. After a tremendous session, I was getting dressed and she politely reminded me "my money?" Of course, I tipped her my usual amount.

Another time, I was their first customer of the day early in the afternoon. I had an appointment which the girls also seem to like (they like to be ready for regulars when you arrive). After my arrival, a few other mongers showed up and she was probably worried because they only have 2 girls working during the day. She asked me after a great TS if I'd mind foregoing the back rub and getting right into the main event to save time. I know some other guys would probably throw an angry fit in this situation and I really do enjoy the massage, specially when she walks on my back, but I agreed because I know she'll more than make up for it at our next session. She has also given me free "bonus" time before where I've paid a $60 house charge for 50 minutes but received 1 hour or more of service.

Another advantage to being a regular with a particular girl is that she gets to know your preferences and if you don't act like an arrogant jerk, the Korean girls really do seem to treat you with kindness. My favorite provider is very "customer service" oriented and always asks me "you cum yet?" or "did you have a good time?" before we finish because she wants me to feel I got my money's worth and that I'll return again soon.

I didn't particularly enjoy my experience in the Philippines with those girls, but the Japanese girls I hooked up with in Tokyo were as good as the Korean girls. It's hard to find Japanese girls in AMPs in the U.S., though except perhaps in Honolulu where you might occasionally find one working.

Spyguy, I used to go to an AMP in South Carolina so much that they told me to just come in the back door! They didn't want my vehicle spotted from the road since it was there all the damn time, and since I was 'family' I could come in the back door any time I wanted. The girl I visited was named Lin. Man, she was hot. I would put her age somewhere in her late 30's but she looked a lot younger. (You just can't tell age sometimes on asian women!)

Anyway, I visited her one Wednesday evening, and I guess I was the only customer that day because she was very glad to see me. I got an extra long shower, then massage, I was in heaven. We finally got down to fs, and I have to say that it as a true GFE. When we were finally finished, she asked if I wanted to go again. I told her that I only brought enough money for one time, she said that she didn't care, she wanted to do it again, so we did. That was my best time ever at an AMP.

Lin is mamasan of her own place now. I visit it from time to time, but it isn't the same as visiting Lin. I ask her to do my massage, but she won't. She did say that we could go out to dinner sometime. I might just have to take her up on that.

during a recent session at my favorite amp, i had an unusual "behind the scenes" look into the "inner sanctum" office of the establishment.

i was the first visitor of the day and the mama-san of the amp, which is located in an office building, is also my regular provider. when i arrived, she and i were the only people there. we have a good rapport.

after i got undressed and spent some time in the sauna in preparation for the ts, she came to get me and asked if i would look at the amp's stereo system, which was located in her office. apparently the girls working there the night before had changed the station and she was having difficulty getting it tuned back to the regular "smooth jazz" station that they usually play there. it was a rather old am/fm tuner with a built-in cd player. i did get it tuned back to where she wanted and took advanatge of my time in there to take in the sights.

this is a small amp. the most girls i've seen working there are 3 at a time. the office had handwritten notes in korean tacked up along one wall for almost ten feet lengthwise. it sure would be interesting to know what the notes said, but i wasn't about to inquire. there were korean calendars on the wall but nothing at all in english.

there is a 10 inch black and white monitor which was attached to a camera which i had never noticed before in the entry vestibule. this amp has a small vestibule or "holding area" that anyone can enter with a posted price list of non-sexual services ostensibly offered (although i've never seen most of those provided during my visits.) the resolution of the camera was surprisingly good so the mama-san and girls can assess a customer before he even rings the buzzer for entry into the controlled area of the amp. next time i'm there, i'll see if i can locate the small camera in the vestibule.

there was a bathroom with a single commode and a shower for employee use along with a laundry room where the towels are washed and dried. some larger amps may have a room where some of the girls can stay overnight, but this one apparently does not. there are three massage chairs like those you might also find in a day spa that the girls use to sit on when not with customers, but overall the office area is kind of austere.

the bottom line is this:

1. most of the better amps use the "double door" controlled entry system to screen for suspicious customers, non-employee women, le, etc. when i was there, one of the girls arrived for work and she had to buzz the door for entry, too. during a first time visit to an amp, try to look a relaxed as possible in the vestibule while awaiting entry since you're probably being evaluated, either through a peep hole in a door or on a video surveillance system.

2. when the girls are not with customers, the office area where they hang out is quite austere. yes, the good providers earn good money in tips, but i can imagine how working 8 or 10 hours a day (or longer) in such small confines doing amp work could burn a girl out. as a result, if you make an attempt to be nice to the girls, some will reciprocate with better than average service for you.

3. most importantly, don't forget that amps are a business and they are trying to keep their costs low like any other business to increase the profit for the house.

I heard years ago that MPs in Thailand use a soapy substance. It was implied this was for a better body slide. It was not baby oil. I don't think it was any of the usual lubricants sold in the U.S. And it was definitely not soap.

Anyone have any idea what this was and where to buy some?

Hey guys,

I have a question that I'm sure everyone here has thought about atleast once. What are the risks invovled in going to an MP. (i. e. STDs and police stings), I really want to go to an MP but am affraid of the risks. Your input would be appreciated!

Spyguy, excellent report on the inner sanctum! I myself have seen similar setups in most of the AMPs that I frequent. I also argree with you that the nicer you are to the girls, the nicer they will be to you in return.

Wooly1, I would always recommend using and AMP, Asian Massage Parlor. An AMP is the best way to avoid a sting. If you go to an American MP, then one of two things will happen. You will either get busted in a sting or you will get ripped off by paying way too damn much for American pussy! Either way, you are fucked! lol.

Seriously though, I will not use an American MP for those very reasons. You can never tell if the girl is involved in a sting or not until it is too late. Now, you should pick up on the big hints she will be giving like: trying to get you to talk about specific sex acts for money, or by her not letting you touch or sample the merchandise BEFORE money is exchanged! But, you cannot tell by looking at an American girl if she is a cop or not. And, if she is not a cop, she definitely will want you to pay a lot to get off and that doesn't always ensure that you get fs either. It may mean that you pay $200 to get a naked hand-job! Who the fuck wants to pay $200 for a fucking HJ. I'd rather go buy a porno movie for 40 and do it myself, at least then I can do it over and over again for the same amount of money! lol.

There are other benefits to going to an AMP, other than knowing if the girl is a cop or not. I think the whole experience at a AMP is cleaner. They will most always give you some sort of shower or bath before they make contact with you. Then, while they are giving the massage, they are examining your body very closely to see if you have any signs of an STD. If you do have signs of and STD, then you won't be getting any extras from the girl! They always require a condom too, so the risk to themselves is minimized. Since their risk is minimized by using a condom, the risk to you is even further reduced when you use a condom as well.

Personally, as far as STDs go, I think an AMP is about the safest environment to purchase sex. There is risk involved whenever you 'buy' sex. But, I think that risk is greatly reduced in the 'cleaner' environment of an AMP.

Then again, that is just my opinion and as everyone knows, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one! lol.

Wooly,

In my opinion, the chances of getting caught in a "police sting" are very slim in an AMP. Most of the time, the cops send in an undercover to see if he'll get solicited for sex. If he does, the girl gets busted. That doesn't necessarily mean the AMP gets shut down because the operators of the AMP will likely claim that all they do is collect the up front fee and they have no control over what the girls do in the rooms. Of course, too many repeat offenses and the place will be shut down.

It's not easy for undercover LE to bust these places. Most of the girls are suspicious of guys they haven't seen before. They sometimes won't offer anything unless you make the first move. That first move should be bold. Don't just rub her leg. Reach up her dress and touch her pussy.

It's also best not to discuss the "tip." There is a theory that leaving the cash on the table in plain sight solves some of the problem since if there's no discussion of sex for pay, there's no prostitution offense. This may or may not hold up in court but at least you can say that you didn't agree to pay for anything, you just left your cash on the table while you were getting the massage.

As for STDs, you can be 99+% safe by just insisting on a condom for FS or BJs. BBBJs supposedly have some risk but more to her than to you. Personally, I don't mind CBJs. Oral sex on her (DATY) has slightly higher risks but most of the Koreans I've seen seem to be very clean.

It took me about a year to work up the nerve to walk into an AMP. If you're curious, give it a shot. Just realize that the biggest danger isn't an STD or a police bust, but rather that you may become hooked on this hobby like the rest of us here.