Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Gajith;2385266]I spent couple of nights in Pattaya. Being lazy, only worked out in Tinder and Wechat and got so many matches in Tinder.

Sooner later a 22 year old girl said she likes Indians and I immediately invited her to go with me. She said she is fine with 500ST and 800 for LT. I drove near to walking street and picked her up. She stayed with me 2 days and finally I paid her 1500 and she was happy. We went to walking street clubs and she is a popular girl there, her friends come and joined me for dancing and couple of them kissed me and I would take it as bonus.[/QUOTE]Can you give me contact?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2387538]It is quite possible they trued to stiff HM with extra drinks and it is sad here to see people take the side of the murderers. Pattaya is a huge tourist destination but a lot of the Thais there, like the beach mafia, are the scum of the earth. To me, this is a clear case of murder, aggravated assault etc. Having seen such punches there in the past by the same sort of flotsam, I give Pattaya a pass.[/QUOTE]A disagreement over the bar tab is the most probable scenario. I give it an 85% likelihood. We will never know for sure because the people involved are not talking and the case is closed. Assuming it was a bar tab disagreement and the deceased left the bar without paying or only partially paying the tab real of padded, he made a big mistake and paid for it with his life thanks to a "lucky" punch to his head.

I must have run up 5,000 bar tabs in my life, maybe more. Who's counting and I can only remember 5 or 6 times when I was sure I was getting cheated. What does one do in such a situation? You can dispute the bill all you want. Sometimes you will win and the tab will be reduced. Other times you are out of luck. You can call the cops, but that will not do any good. The only solution as far as I am concerned is to just pay the tab and make a mental note never to go to that bar again. Walking out is only going to get you a fight with 1 maybe 2 or 3 bouncers. Its 1 in a million you wind up dead, but its guaranteed you ain't walking away without a beat down, I don't care how fit you think you are.

This reminds of an incident in BKK 4 or 5 years ago. A farang got into a fight with a taxi driver and exited the taxi. The taxi driver picked up a machete lying in the trunk of his car and hacked the guy to death. What were they fighting over? 300 baht? This is my point: Don't fight with the locals. Period. These type of incidents are rare, but who the fuck needs them or wants to go to the hospital. You can dispute the amount charged and possibly reduce the rip off, but at a certain point you have to know when to give in. Getting back to the recent incident: I don't think it is a case of murder or aggravated assault, it appears to me to be a case of involuntary manslaughter. "Involuntary manslaughter often refers to unintentional homicide from criminally negligent or reckless conduct."

But if the testimony showed that the victim threw the 1st punch then the bouncer has no criminal liability whatsoever. It is just a very tragic incident that in all probability could have & should have been avoided by the deceased. I wouldn't let this story affect my travel plans to Pattaya. I have never had any altercation even remotely approaching the lowest level of violence in any Pattaya bar in all my visits going back over 20 years. It just doesn't happen unless you think you are Robert De Niro or somebody. "You talking to me?"

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+talking+to+me+quote&view=detail&mid=ECCE1FDC04CE4F0AAC66ECCE1FDC04CE4F0AAC66&FORM=VIRE

[QUOTE=Rishabh0810;2387551]
Can some body please tell me best bars to. Visit on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]There are no best bars in soi6, girls are outside their bars looking for customers. Just walk up and down the soi6, pick up the girl you like, go upstair and fuck her. Easy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2385452]I mostly do private bookings with regular girls, these days, ).[/QUOTE]I can see several guys hanging with regular girls. How do you get them?

[QUOTE=Atp1987;2387558]Can you give me contact?[/QUOTE]Good luck. I think some embellishments here.

[QUOTE=Rishabh0810;2387551]Hello all,

I will be visiting Pattaya for the First time.

On 15th Nov.

Can some body please tell me best bars to.

Visit on Soi 6.

I will be staying at The Baywalk Residence.

On Beach Road.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]I think you have 2 choices here. You can RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) or if you pay my airfare and hotel + 5000 TBH per day I will assist you.

Here to help.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2387628]I can see several guys hanging with regular girls. How do you get them?[/QUOTE]By regular girls Syzy is using the word regular in the sense he sees the same bar girls on a regular basis. I think you are referring to regular girls who do not work in the sex industry. To get a girl who does not work as a sex provider it is the same as every other country in the world. To get a regular by Syzy's definition, just keep repeating with her and she's now your regular. Cut out the barfine crap by arranging to see the girl on her off days.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2387538]All of what you say is true. It is quite possible they trued to stiff HM with extra drinks and it is sad here to see people take the side of the murderers. Pattaya is a huge tourist destination but a lot of the Thais there, like the beach mafia, are the scum of the earth. To me, this is a clear case of murder, aggravated assault etc. Having seen such punches there in the past by the same sort of flotsam, I give Pattaya a pass.[/QUOTE]No one is taking sides here. The only thing everyone is advocating, and have been advocating all along is "Nothing is more important that your life. Don't get into fights in a foreign country".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2387708]By regular girls Syzy is using the word regular in the sense he sees the same bar girls on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]I am in Pattaya at the moment for a few months and I see girls that appears as a Non Pro hanging around with older guys like they are involved in a relationship. Even in mall you see couples and for sure they are not bar girls.

I know very well the difference between bar girls and regular girl so I just curious. Of course in Pattaya it's all about the money but some Non Pro need a sponsor or something. So question remain how.

[QUOTE=Rishabh0810;2387551]Hello all,

I will be visiting Pattaya for the First time.

On 15th Nov.

Can some body please tell me best bars to.

Visit on Soi 6.

I will be staying at The Baywalk Residence.

On Beach Road.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Ah Soi 6! You have made the right choice. A particular establishment on Soi 6 called Pook Bar might be just what you are looking for. Do not pay much attention to the signage. The Thais particularly mix upstairs for downstairs. Just go upstairs and the tall beautiful amazing Thai ladies will ensure that you leave with a smile.

Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

22 yrs at Soi 6. 1000 baht. 400 baht room extra. Chick rating =8. Very hot ass.

34 yrs Beach Rd FL. 700 baht. Chick rating=7. Did her up the date for 100 baht extra. ST Room=120 baht extra.

33 yrs Beach Rd FL. 1000 baht. Chick rating=8. Skinny with great ass. ST Room=120 baht extra.

41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.

64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5.

28 yrs on Soi 6. 1000 baht. Chick rating =8. Room extra 400 baht.

40 yrs Beach Rd FL. 600 baht. Chick rating = 6. Small and skinny. 200 baht ST room extra.

50 yrs Soi Excyte massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating =7.

49 yrs Soi Chaiyapoon massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Rating=7.

Total including room = 10,840 baht. Or 1084 baht per punt. Equals 36 USD per punt. Yes, I monger at the low end, but all good bangs even if most were not "optic f*ucks".

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]
41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.
[/QUOTE]Nice data in a report. Well done. My reply is just trivia so no need to read further.

Does anyone know if the Chaiyapoon Inn got its name from American slang word Poon? It is amusing because Chaiya prefix in Thai means "victory" but Poon means absolutely nothing. I just kid, because what I ask, is actually unlikely.

Could be that this coincidence with American slang word Poon, was just a lucky accident, making a nice joke. Chaiyaphoom (Chaiyaphum) is a well known Thai word but Hotels may not be allowed to use it. It means a strategically favourable position (for military), and is the name of a province in Thailand. So sometimes a company uses a Thai word but corrupts it slightly. All the American customers can have a grin I guess, if they stay there. Would any be put off by the name, I wonder? When I first joined the forum, I had never heard of the term Poon at all. It is not used in my country at all to my knowledge.

There was a Massage joint in Bangkok at one time called in English Pornee (ha ha). They later changed it to Phunee (even though that was not close to the Thai name). Maybe was supposed to be a legit place (Spa) and they later found out the name Pornee was a little unfortunate (in English). Which Farang wants to tell his Mrs or friends that he went to Pornee (Phornee) massage? Ha ha. However Phorn is very common Thai innocent nickname.

Yet another tangent: Fak (Fuck) is an absolutely innocent word in the Thai language. It can mean to incubate a hen's egg, for example. It is also a type of vegetable (gourd). However would be very sensible to avoid this word when naming a street or hotel, etc. , even if a gourd farm / garden or hatchery had once been there.

Just walk down soi 6 until you see someone that catches your interest. You don't need bar recommendations for soi 6.

[QUOTE=Rishabh0810;2387551]Hello all,

I will be visiting Pattaya for the First time.

On 15th Nov.

Can some body please tell me best bars to.

Visit on Soi 6.

I will be staying at The Baywalk Residence.

On Beach Road.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]..............64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5..............[/QUOTE]Is that a typo? If not take a bow for being the guy who has sessioned the oldest chick reported on ISG.

[QUOTE=KiJang;2387807]Ah Soi 6! You have made the right choice. A particular establishment on Soi 6 called Pook Bar might be just what you are looking for. Do not pay much attention to the signage. The Thais particularly mix upstairs for downstairs. Just go upstairs and the tall beautiful amazing Thai ladies will ensure that you leave with a smile.[/QUOTE]Ignore this malicious post and put KiJang on your ignore list. Pook Bar is a ladyboy bar.

[URL]https://lovepattayathailand.com/listing/pook-bar/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.flirt-pattaya.com/location/pooks-bar-soi-6/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2387907]Is that a typo? If not take a bow for being the guy who has sessioned the oldest chick reported on ISG.[/QUOTE]No typo, she is really old but has a pretty face. And quite horny too, rubbing her clit a lot during the deed. That surprised me.

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

22 yrs at Soi 6. 1000 baht. 400 baht room extra. Chick rating =8. Very hot ass.

34 yrs Beach Rd FL. 700 baht. Chick rating=7. Did her up the date for 100 baht extra. ST Room=120 baht extra.

33 yrs Beach Rd FL. 1000 baht. Chick rating=8. Skinny with great ass. ST Room=120 baht extra.

41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.

64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5.

28 yrs on Soi 6. 1000 baht. Chick rating =8. Room extra 400 baht.

40 yrs Beach Rd FL. 600 baht. Chick rating = 6. Small and skinny. 200 baht ST room extra.

50 yrs Soi Excyte massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating =7.

49 yrs Soi Chaiyapoon massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Rating=7.

Total including room = 10,840 baht. Or 1084 baht per punt. Equals 36 USD per punt. Yes, I monger at the low end, but all good bangs even if most were not "optic f*ucks".[/QUOTE]Man after my own heart. That's about what they are all worth to me as well. Spending over 100 usd on a gal in LOS makes no sense to me. My last trip to Pattaya was Soi Honey MPs and soi 6.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2387975]Man after my own heart. That's about what they are all worth to me as well. Spending over 100 usd on a gal in LOS makes no sense to me. My last trip to Pattaya was Soi Honey MPs and soi 6.[/QUOTE]No wonder all you do is complain in the BKK thread. We get it. You don't want to spend x USD on girls. So why not just post about the girls you are doing. That might be useful. Constantly bitching about current prices of Go Go girls and other top tier girls is crying in your beer. It is unbecoming.

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.



64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5.
[/QUOTE]Where can I find this masseuse who provides A+?

[QUOTE=RunMann;2388025]Where can I find this masseuse who provides A+?[/QUOTE]In damn near any massage parlor in Pattaya. Most I would say are under 64 though.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2387983]No wonder all you do is complain in the BKK thread. We get it. You don't want to spend x USD on girls. So why not just post about the girls you are doing. That might be useful. Constantly bitching about current prices of Go Go girls and other top tier girls is crying in your beer. It is unbecoming.[/QUOTE]Why? Because as the prices have gone up the performance for the most part has gone down. It's not like we are getting a better experience for what is often 4 times the price. Jeez, when you buy a new car you pay more than you did 20 years ago but you get better features and better performance. Unbecoming? I remember my second trip to Nom Penh in early '00. Ran into a guy who I met in Bkk in July 99. First thing he did was grab me by the shoulder and tell me, "this is what you pay the girls. " he proceeded to list the prices for different venues. To which he added, "if you pay more you'll ruin it for all of us. " That really stuck with me. And he was right. Unfortunately, tourists and two week millionaires do tend to ruin a scene. It's about them, their two weeks, and their money. It's "my money" and I'll do what I want. And most certainly that's your choice, but to act as if this has no effect is silly. And personally, that's an attitude I find unbecoming. To me paying 150 usd for st with a gal whose going it leave after one shot and try to get out in an hour or so is just nuts. I'd postulate that prices in all over Bkk and in Pattaya gogos are driven solely by tourists, which used to not be the case. And again, compare with scenes that are driven by locals, Jakarta and even HK and you'll see quite different pricing. In Travel and Classic you get a pretty good gal for about 800 Baht and in Fuji HK, about 2 k gets you a white skinned looker.

Many aspects of the Thai p4 p scene have become quite expensive Natty. And yes, it's not so great for us residents.

I had some great gals in Pattaya for a good price.

Why don't I post about experiences in Bkk? Because I haven't had a memorable oily or FL in ages. It's been one meh after another. Why lost about mediocrity? Guys aren't interested. Unless it's great or there is one to avoid, it's not worth the effort to type.

First time in Pattaya. Arrived mid-evening, and went to Walking Street. Seemed relatively slow and not nearly as wild as I had been imagining, but opi understand its slow season. Wasn't feeling all that spry after a traveling for 30+ hours to get here, so decided to just go with a BJ bar rather than find a bar girl and decided to head to Lxlitxs. Selection was very disappointing at 11 pm - 5 women, none attractive, maybe one in their 20's. Figured I'the just go with an older woman thinking her skills might be best. BJ was fine as she was happy to have a customer, but she didn't go deep. All in all, I'll take the blame for my disappointing first night experience given low energy level and unfamiliarity with the city layout once I arrived (My hotel, which showed as being somewhere in between the south and central areas on the booking site map, turned out to be on North Pattaya. F me! Hoping to do better today, and will check out Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2388105] And again, compare with scenes that are driven by locals, Jakarta and even HK and you'll see quite different pricing. In Travel and Classic you get a pretty good gal for about 800 Baht and in Fuji HK, about 2 k gets you a white skinned looker. [/QUOTE]Indonesia is my favourite place for some years and I get local price because I speak local language. I would never ever pay more than 300 k for an ST. 100 k for a hand job or maximum 200 if the girl allows me to touch her and friendly.

When I was exploring Kalimantan and far east, I always get girls less than 20 years of old but no english at all for 300 k.

BTW, it is possible in every country and depends on your luck to get a non greedy girl. I am right now in BKK with the girl I met last week and she is staying with me for 2 whole nights. Did not talk about money and all but last week I paid her 1600 baht for LT.

[QUOTE=Gajith;2388189]Indonesia is my favourite place for some years and I get local price because I speak local language. I would never ever pay more than 300 k for an ST. 100 k for a hand job or maximum 200 if the girl allows me to touch her and friendly.

When I was exploring Kalimantan and far east, I always get girls less than 20 years of old but no english at all for 300 k.

BTW, it is possible in every country and depends on your luck to get a non greedy girl. I am right now in BKK with the girl I met last week and she is staying with me for 2 whole nights. Did not talk about money and all but last week I paid her 1600 baht for LT.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately speaking the local language is not a positive in the Farang P4 P scene in BKK or Pattaya. Gals can't pull the same crap with locals that they can with tourists. My Thai is pretty good and when they ask questions in English I respond in Thai. Many times I am met with sighs and eye rolls. There are exceptions but not that many these days. Locals are not the preferred targets. We "know too much. ".

[QUOTE=JC9999;2388136]First time in Pattaya. Arrived mid-evening, and went to Walking Street. Seemed relatively slow and not nearly as wild as I had been imagining, but opi understand its slow season. Wasn't feeling all that spry after a traveling for 30+ hours to get here, so decided to just go with a BJ bar rather than find a bar girl and decided to head to Lxlitxs. Selection was very disappointing at 11 pm - 5 women, none attractive, maybe one in their 20's. Figured I'the just go with an older woman thinking her skills might be best. BJ was fine as she was happy to have a customer, but she didn't go deep. All in all, I'll take the blame for my disappointing first night experience given low energy level and unfamiliarity with the city layout once I arrived (My hotel, which showed as being somewhere in between the south and central areas on the booking site map, turned out to be on North Pattaya. F me! Hoping to do better today, and will check out Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Have always good fun in Windmill, sidestreet of walking street. Damage? Yes can be some. Or daytime? Try Kinnaree, Pratumnak Soi 4 - Damage around 2 k. But it is also a good quality bar. Be there not too late. Around 2 pm.

[QUOTE=JC9999;2388136]First time in Pattaya. Arrived mid-evening. All in all, I'll take the blame for my disappointing first night experience given low energy level and unfamiliarity with the city layout. (My hotel, which showed as being somewhere in between the south and central areas on the booking site map, turned out to be on North Pattaya. F* me!) Hoping to do better today, and will check out Soi 6.[/QUOTE]If you've never been to Pattaya, it's important to figure out the basic layout *before* you arrive. If you know where things are, you'll be able to book lodging in a place that's centrally located. You'll also be able to get where you need to go on foot, by baht bus or by motorbike taxi. Most importantly you'll be able to get down to business immediately upon arrival without wasting a bunch of time. Online maps are fine, but I also recommend buying an old-fashioned map that you can look at while you are planning your trip. I like the Groovy map of Pattaya, which I find has just right level of detail. You can buy it from Amazon for about 270 baht plus shipping.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/GROOVY-PATTAYA-MAPNGUIDE-Aaron-Frankel/dp/9745250333[/URL]

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

22 yrs at Soi 6. 1000 baht. 400 baht room extra. Chick rating =8. Very hot ass.

34 yrs Beach Rd FL. 700 baht. Chick rating=7. Did her up the date for 100 baht extra. ST Room=120 baht extra.

33 yrs Beach Rd FL. 1000 baht. Chick rating=8. Skinny with great ass. ST Room=120 baht extra.

41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.

64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5.

28 yrs on Soi 6. 1000 baht. Chick rating =8. Room extra 400 baht.

40 yrs Beach Rd FL. 600 baht. Chick rating = 6. Small and skinny. 200 baht ST room extra.

50 yrs Soi Excyte massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating =7.

49 yrs Soi Chaiyapoon massage chick. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Rating=7.

Total including room = 10,840 baht. Or 1084 baht per punt. Equals 36 USD per punt. Yes, I monger at the low end, but all good bangs even if most were not "optic f*ucks".[/QUOTE]This is very similar to my week in Pattaya at the end of October. Except that I did one 27 year old, while the rest was between 20 and 24.

Most of my 15 or so girls were from soi 6 and I paid 1000 for sex and 500-600 for the room and a round of drinks for me and the girl. The first bunch of girls were not particularly good, but after a while I got better at vetting them. It surprised me how few other men used the LD time to get some hands on action, because the willingness to DFK in the bar seemed like a good predictor for performance.

My favorite girl was a 21 year old from a massage place. 300 for the message (only happened once really, for about 5 minutes) and 1000 for sex. Did her 6 times or something like that.

Most expensive was a bar girl from tree town for 1500 (and 500 BF). Some birthday going on, so I got about half the drinks that night for free because of the bell being run. No LD, but just took her to my hotel after the party started to slow down. Fucked quite a lot that night (drunk sex can be fun sometimes).

Went to the gogo's of course, but didn't see much that really justiefied paying twice as much. Let alone what the Bangkok guys seem to consider normal.

As someone who fucks many, many working girls in Europe, it was interesting how few girls gave me blow jobs (and when it happened, mostly during the worst sessions). At the same time it stood out how easily the girl got wet and accepted a couple of fingers in their pussy.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2388386] It surprised me how few other men used the LD time to get some hands on action, because the willingness to DFK in the bar seemed like a good predictor for performance.[/QUOTE]This is my pet peeve. Too many guys buying lady drinks and doing absolutely nothing other than staring in to a girl's eyes or touching her shoulders and waist. DFK, mutual groping, and lap dancing should be standard if you buy a girl a lady drink.

Will never forget the good old days of 2016 when Soi 6 girls used to greet you with their hands down your pants.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2388430]This is my pet peeve. Too many guys buying lady drinks and doing absolutely nothing other than staring in to a girl's eyes or touching her shoulders and waist. DFK, mutual groping, and lap dancing should be standard if you buy a girl a lady drink.

Will never forget the good old days of 2016 when Soi 6 girls used to greet you with their hands down your pants.[/QUOTE]What if the guy has already decided that he is going to take her upstairs and bought her that LD just to put her at ease before he fucks her in the ST room.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2388446]What if the guy has already decided that he is going to take her upstairs and bought her that LD just to put her at ease before he fucks her in the ST room.[/QUOTE]Sure that is fine but if the two of you aren't all over one another imo that could be a sign your Soi 6 session isn't going to be a good one. However, you're experienced enough to see that most guys who buy lady drinks on Soi 6 DO NOT take the girls upstairs.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2388386]Most of my 15 or so girls were from soi 6 and I paid 1000 for sex and 500-600 for the room and a round of drinks for me and the girl. The first bunch of girls were not particularly good, but after a while I got better at vetting them. It surprised me how few other men used the LD time to get some hands on action,[/QUOTE]PDA is not everyone's bag. However, I was doing the same hands on rubbing on pussies and grabbing bare ass cheeks action last night on the 6 and bought 0 LDs. On Halloween night I did buy a LD for a chick although I had no intentions of doing anything but chillin out. I told her that she had to get Sangsom on ice the same that I had. I tasted her shit and I don't know what it was. She said she had put a little cola in it. I said negative and made her drink mine and I drank hers.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2388446]What if the guy has already decided that he is going to take her upstairs and bought her that LD just to put her at ease before he fucks her in the ST room.[/QUOTE]There is no need to buy anyone any drinks to put them at ease. Hell, I could be sitting with one chick and have bought her a drink and see another chick walk past and point to upstairs and leave the chick I was talking to go fuck the other chick. Buying a drink does not get you shit that not buying a drink will not get you. Maybe in your mind it does, but in reality it really does not. It is a brothel for Buddha's sake.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2388335]If you've never been to Pattaya, it's important to figure out the basic layout *before* you arrive. If you know where things are, you'll be able to book lodging in a place that's centrally located. You'll also be able to get where you need to go on foot, by baht bus or by motorbike taxi. Most importantly you'll be able to get down to business immediately upon arrival without wasting a bunch of time. Online maps are fine, but I also recommend buying an old-fashioned map that you can look at while you are planning your trip. I like the Groovy map of Pattaya, which I find has just right level of detail. You can buy it from Amazon for about 270 baht plus shipping.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/GROOVY-PATTAYA-MAPNGUIDE-Aaron-Frankel/dp/9745250333[/URL][/QUOTE]Agreed. I did study a bit he weeks before arriving, but got very at work busy the last 4-5 days and lost perspective. All good commentary on your part.

Hit Sabai Dee (the original, I believe) in the afternoon for a soapy and The Castle in the evening. Better day, overall.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2388480]Sure that is fine but if the two of you aren't all over one another imo that could be a sign your Soi 6 session isn't going to be a good one.[/QUOTE]There are not many lookers over there so if I start to rule out girls just because they are not all over me downstairs I'm not going to fuck anything.

I've got hard times finding a girl that I would want to fuck in a place like soi 6, the biggest problem for me lately in the bars was that girls look mostly not interested by their job.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388520]Buying a drink does not get you shit that not buying a drink will not get you. Maybe in your mind it does, but in reality it really does not. It is a brothel for Buddha's sake.[/QUOTE]It can help you get more time to build or regain your power for example. Maybe you want to take some vitamin to be sure that your session will be good, it takes some time before that stuff kicks in your body.

Most of the times the girls on soi 6 are the ones asking to go straight in the room and they never ask for a LD.

But I'm not a robot, I need to spend some time with her downstairs before taking her upstairs but the girls are very insistent to go upstairs right away.

Buying her a drink gives me the assurance that she doesn't lose interest in me and that another customer doesn't call her over while she is with me.

Sure, if she is an asshole she can still go see another guy while I paid her a drink but it never happened to me.

Many times I spotted guys going to talk with the girl I was with when I went in the toilet, the last time I had a girl in soi 6, I just came back from the toilet and a guy was over her and I could hear her telling him by pointing at me " no I will go boom boom him now".

The same happened a few days ago in PP while I just finished a snooker game with a girl I met a few minutes ago and an asshole French guy went to her and tried to take her away from me.

So that 120 baht LD is not always a bad move in my opinion.

Hi Vasu,

I'm also visiting Pattaya Nov 24. Kindly ping me as your inbox is full. Clear it.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2383382]Hello all,

Long time dream come true and I'm finally going to Thailand!

20+ years mongering in US, DR, Mexico, Jamaica, Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Greece, Netherlands and recently Colombia, but couldn't allocate at least 10 days to go to Thailand. Finally I was able to allocate 2 weeks of vacation time, convince my friend and pull the trigger. As of now only airline tickets were bought arriving BKK Nov 24 and departing BKK Dec 7.

I was reading a forum a lot and know for sure that I need to visit Pattaya and Bangkok but have no idea how to split the time and which one should be first? My friend and I are white divorced men in our 50's in good shape and we want this trip to be not only mongering but touristy also. Probably 60/40 or 70/30 with tourism on the lower side LOL, so please advise what MUST to be seen and if I need to consider other places for couple days IE any island, Cambodia, etc.

Also need advice on accommodations do we need to book 2 hotel rooms or look for AirBnB with 2 bedrooms.

All advices and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

22 yrs at Soi 6. 1000 baht. 400 baht room extra. Chick rating =8. Very hot ass.

34 yrs Beach Rd FL. 700 baht. Chick rating=7. Did her up the date for 100 baht extra. ST Room=120 baht extra.

33 yrs Beach Rd FL. 1000 baht. Chick rating=8. Skinny with great ass. ST Room=120 baht extra.

41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.

64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5..[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Baywalk in September and averaged about the same (1 k) with Beach Road girls. One night I was negotiating with a girl, mid 20's 7-looks wise and she kept offering to add her friend (late 30's 5/6 looks) for 1300 total. Finally decided wth and took them both back. Good call as her friend made up lack of looks with experience. A couple nights later, was walking back to my hotel when 2 girls in their mid 20's (6 and 7 looks wise) approached offering 1 k total for both of them. One was skinner than my preference but the other had my eye so I agreed. They said they lived in BKK and were trying to get money to head back home (it was about 3/4 am, so it could've been the truth).

What the shit? I went to get this chick at noon yesterday. She fell asleep at 3 pm after fucking. It is now 8:36 am and she is still asleep. I am about to start docking from her 1000 baht if she does not get up and take her ass home soon.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2388644]I've got hard times finding a girl that I would want to fuck in a place like soi 6, the biggest problem for me lately in the bars was that girls look mostly not interested by their job.[/QUOTE]They look the same way when I walk into McDonald's, but that is not going to stop me from buying a burger. Why don't you make the fun, instead of waiting for the fun to happen to you?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2388655]The same happened a few days ago in PP while I just finished a snooker game with a girl I met a few minutes ago and an asshole French guy went to her and tried to take her away from me.[/QUOTE]LOL. I get it man. But I still look at the place as a brothel where guys come to fuck and women are there to fuck for money. They just sell you some bullshit drinks in the meantime.

Take a soapie for example. You are not going to sit there and make googly eyes back and forth with a chick then get mad when some guy walks in from outside and calls her number. If you were planning to put her to use then you had plenty of time to do so, but you were more interested in googly eyes.

You can't expect a chick to put sure money on hold while you are trying to power back up. The great thing is that she will be back soon and you can pick right back up where you left off with your googly eyes, lady drinks, or pool games! Money talks and bullshit walks.

1. Juney Massage, Dao.

Nice BJ, 700 THB incl room.

2. Amon Massage, MO.

FS, 1000 THB. Bubbly girl. Nice place to sit down for a drink and watch the Soi as well.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2388644]

I've got hard times finding a girl that I would want to fuck in a place like soi 6, the biggest problem for me lately in the bars was that girls look mostly not interested by their job.[/QUOTE]60% of the girls at soi 6 refuse to make eye contact with me. I take this as rejection. Luckily the overall numbers are high so that still leaves many girls I can potentially take upstairs.

All the same, soi 6 as a place with loads and loads of girls I can fuck at my beck and call is a myth as far as I'm concerned. It feels more like a place where many girls live, some of whom happen to be interested in having sex with me for money when I walk down the street.

These hoes are crazy. Last month I met a chick on Tinder that said she could not fuck because she has a boyfriend. She kept talking to me on whatsapp all the time though.

Last week she scoffed at my 600 baht offer saying she would only come for 3000 LT or 1200 ST and told me to find somebody else.

Today she is on the way for 700ST! Perfect example of how YMMV, even when dealing with the same chick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388981]
Today she is on the way for 700ST! Perfect example of how YMMV, even when dealing with the same chick.[/QUOTE]Nice, Tinder in Pattaya did worked for me well. I paid 1500 for 2 nights and next time may be she is free.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388919]What the shit? I went to get this chick at noon yesterday. She fell asleep at 3 pm after fucking. It is now 8:36 am and she is still asleep. I am about to start docking from her 1000 baht if she does not get up and take her ass home soon.[/QUOTE]Will the real Mister E please stand up. This post is so funny because you are usually quite to the point. LOL wake her up kick her ass out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388923]They look the same way when I walk into McDonald's, but that is not going to stop me from buying a burger. Why don't you make the fun, instead of waiting for the fun to happen to you?[/QUOTE]When I go in MacDonal's I know what's on the menu, I already know what I'm going to order.

When I go in soi6 I never know what I'm going to get and I want to maximize my chances to get a good fuck. Last time I went there three days in a raw and fucked only one girl there. Sometimes I could spot a few girls that looked doable but some other day there was absolutely nothing doable, and I don't really like to come and go back there multiple times in the day. As said in an earlier post by XXL, I tend to believe that it might be a way for them to express their rejection and I don't want to take the risk, that's why I prefer that they make the first move instead of me doing it.

[QUOTE] LOL. I get it man. But I still look at the place as a brothel where guys come to fuck and women are there to fuck for money. They just sell you some bullshit drinks in the meantime. [/QUOTE]You're absolutely right and if it works great that way for you it's all good, but the difference might be that you spend a lot of time there and could go back to check the place multiple times a day or a week while nowadays when I go in Pattaya I stay only three or four days at best. I was the biggest cheap charlie motherfucker in many of my first trips in Thailand (I would even skip the baht bus for the 10 bahts, and even recall having an argument with one of them over 5 bahts, I don't even talk about the number of girls that I rejected over a 500 bahts bill) but nowadays I tend to not really give a shit about these bullshit drinks (as long as it's only 1 or 2).

[QUOTE]The great thing is that she will be back soon and you can pick right back up where you left off with your googly eyes, lady drinks, or pool games! Money talks and bullshit walks.[/QUOTE]A mood breaker for me, once I see her going with another dude I completely lose interrest in her and move my attention to another one.

But you're spot on, it happened to me on multiple occasion that I was observing or eying a girl for some time without having made a move and some motherfucker comes in and takes her on the spot.

[QUOTE=XXL;2388947]60% of the girls at soi 6 refuse to make eye contact with me. I take this as rejection. [/QUOTE]It may be the case that a Soi 6 girl simply doesn't like your look but it's likely because this girl has seen you walk up and down Soi 6 many times before and you never paid attention to her. She just figures why should she waste her time on you any more. This really becomes the case if you are an ex-pat or frequent visitor or simply just a guy who walked up and down Soi 6 8 times already on a given day.

There is a girl on Soi 6 who I liked but not only did she not give me eye contact she used to give me dirty looks. I found her attractive so I said F it I'm going to talk to her anyways. She told me I had rejected her for a drink last year so hates me now. I used to go with her friend and ignored her. TBH I don't recall this but I instantly bought her a drink and all is well again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388919]What the shit? I went to get this chick at noon yesterday. She fell asleep at 3 pm after fucking. It is now 8:36 am and she is still asleep. I am about to start docking from her 1000 baht if she does not get up and take her ass home soon.[/QUOTE]If sleep was an Olympic sport Thailand would be guaranteed gold in each category 5555.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2388981]These hoes are crazy. Last month I met a chick on Tinder that said she could not fuck because she has a boyfriend. She kept talking to me on whatsapp all the time though.

Last week she scoffed at my 600 baht offer saying she would only come for 3000 LT or 1200 ST and told me to find somebody else.

Today she is on the way for 700ST! Perfect example of how YMMV, even when dealing with the same chick.[/QUOTE]Sleeping beauty?

Just talking in general, when it comes to Thais I noticed many of them don't have what I call the " happy deposition " accept for the Wai, many haven't been taught " manners " in the true sense particularly those who are poor and haven't had much contact with foreigners. Sure some are just born with that outgoing personality but many it has to be nurtured and brought out but how is that possible since their parents haven't been taught it themselves.

You look at many of the people working they don't smile just kind of go through the motion there is very little " Customer service " I see it each day living and having contacts with Thais. Using my daughter in law as an example she is very book smart comes from a poor family typical Thai " the more patriotic the more stupid " pretty much brainwashed. She helps out in our family business she rarely smiles or says thank you to the customer my wife has little education but smiles and talks to everyone and the neighborhood shop at our store even though there are a number of other stores closer.

I walk down Soi 6 all the time, rarely do I partake yes majority don't smile and if I do it is usually with the one that smiles like everyone else. Is it any different than anywhere else like a GoGo, I hear it all the time about eye contact. Sadly not everyone you meet is going to smile and open their legs regardless if it is their job you got to do the work at times.

When it comes to sleeping yes Thai can sleep! If they could get paid for it Thais would be the richest people in the world! Even at my age, I'm up at 5 am rarely do I take a nap work 7-8 hours straight each day the majority of the time I sleep 5 hours at best at night. There isn't a day I look at my daughter-in-law " fat and lazy " western standard I want to say to her I do what you do in one day in one hour, I do what you do in one month in one day ".

Sadly I would sleep too if you never been taught goals and if you are there is basically no opportunities for them so why not just sleep, the same as my parents and their parents before them?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2389027]When I go in MacDonal's I know what's on the menu, I already know what I'm going to order.

When I go in soi6 I never know what I'm going to get and I want to maximize my chances to get a good fuck. Last time I went there three days in a raw and fucked only one girl there. Sometimes I could spot a few girls that looked doable but some other day there was absolutely nothing doable, and I don't really like to come and go back there multiple times in the day. As said in an earlier post by XXL, I tend to believe that it might be a way for them to express their rejection and I don't want to take the risk, that's why I prefer that they make the first move instead of me doing it.

You're absolutely right and if it works great that way for you it's all good, but the difference might be that you spend a lot of time there and could go back to check the place multiple times a day or a week while nowadays when I go in Pattaya I stay only three or four days at best. I was the biggest cheap charlie motherfucker in many of my first trips in Thailand (I would even skip the baht bus for the 10 bahts, and even recall having an argument with one of them over 5 bahts, I don't even talk about the number of girls that I rejected over a 500 bahts bill) but nowadays I tend to not really give a shit about these bullshit drinks (as long as it's only 1 or 2).

A mood breaker for me, once I see her going with another dude I completely lose interrest in her and move my attention to another one.

But you're spot on, it happened to me on multiple occasion that I was observing or eying a girl for some time without having made a move and some motherfucker comes in and takes her on the spot.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is really hit and miss. Can vary hour to hour really. I was in Pattaya this Monday and the Monday before. Last week Soi 6 was amazing. Best I have seen it in ages. Tons of gals and many thin with no baby. This Monday was a completely different story. And I was there at about the same time each day. I did notice more tourists this week as opposed to last as well. Perhaps the lookers getting pulled earlier.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2389027]I was the biggest cheap charlie motherfucker.. nowadays I tend to not really give a shit about these bullshit drinks (as long as it's only 1 or 2).[/QUOTE]Dude. Your story is exactly the same as mine down to the 5 baht arguement with the driver. I think it used to be 5 baht then went up to 10 baht and I didn't know or something. Or maybe it was my mistake of thinking it was 5 baht before. I have just recently started doing shit like buying drinks for chicks, and not as some sort of interview ritual, but only because I feel like doing it (and maybe because I have more money these days). But unlike other guys that sometimes post that you need to be free with your money in the gogos and shit, I still flaunt my coveted name of Mr. Cheap Charlie.

When chicks ask me my name I tell them in Thai, Mr. Cheap Charlie. Then I show them the proof. (Starbucks cup with my name as Mr. Cheap Charlie in Thai.) The chick that is here now (next report on her), last night said, but how you can go to Starbucks if you are a Cheap Charlie. I thought quick and said I only went there because my friends paid.

Then she went on to say how chocolate is only 40 and 50 baht at other stands versus Starbucks. I said WHAT! That is too damn expensive. The lady I go to up the street only charges 25 baht for a bladder burster.

So I had this chick on my Line that was my cup of tea. She had pictures of herself in fancy condos and out shopping for expensive fashionable clothes. She also had pictures where she was helping on what looked like an archeological dig, where they dug up a human skeeton and put it back together. (I forgot to ask her about that. Should have remembered when she mentioned donating her body to science when she dies.).

I figured I must have got her from Tinder or Thai Friendly or something. I hit her up and she told me 2000 for ST and 4000 for LT. Fuck that noise. I told her I live here and not on holiday. She said okay 1500. I said yeah for LT. This would be my third time ever paying this much, but maybe I am learning.

Last night I sent her a message and told her I was going for a massage and would let her come over when I finished. I finished at midnight and she came right over. She reminded me that I had met her on the stairway at 808 Disco and got her info. She said I had actually met her twice and got her info. All these chicks run together in my head. I can never remember details like this. She said the American military guys always give US $100 and ask why I do not give that much since I am American. I said AH HA, so that is who has been fucking the game up!

Before she came over I asked her how long she would stay. She asked what time I wake up. I usually wake up at 6 or 7, but in an attempt to maximize my time, I told her noon! She said she would stay until she woke up.

We got along great and she gets 2 thumbs up in my book. When she layed in my bed she was like what the hell is this? I want my bed like this. I guess LBM was right when he said the chicks probably don't want to leave because of the bed. Before, I had brought a featherbed mattress topper from the States. My allergies were always really bad when I was sleep. Then I remembered duhhh dumbass you are allergic to animals and shit. I gave that away to a wingman and brought an egg crate mattress topper from the States. So evidently that along with the AC and fan running is why I can't get them to leave, and not my good looks and charm as previously suspected.

I woke up about 8 and did all my reading and downloading online that I usually do. I stayed quiet and in the dark so she could sleep. She woke up about 11 and I was ready for round 2. We took showers then layed around a bit and I took her home about 12:45. When she got off my bike and I gave her the 1500, I told her that from now on it would be 1200. She said why, why. I said because I am not rich. She said okay. Now she keeps sending me messages of everything she is doing since I dropped her off.

[QUOTE=SreyMun;2388943]1. Juney Massage, Dao.

Nice BJ, 700 THB incl room.[/QUOTE]I just got my pipes cleaned by the famous Beer, she will also do FS & anal.

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

Total including room = 10,840 baht. Or 1084 baht per punt. Equals 36 USD per punt. Yes, I monger at the low end, but all good bangs even if most were not "optic f*ucks".[/QUOTE]I appreciate the report, the information and the brevity. Thank you! I will be in Pattaya the end of November, this gives me some information for my mongering.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2389275]It may be the case that a Soi 6 girl simply doesn't like your look but it's likely because this girl has seen you walk up and down Soi 6 many times before and you never paid attention to her. She just figures why should she waste her time on you any more. This really becomes the case if you are an ex-pat or frequent visitor or simply just a guy who walked up and down Soi 6 8 times already on a given day.

There is a girl on Soi 6 who I liked but not only did she not give me eye contact she used to give me dirty looks. I found her attractive so I said F it I'm going to talk to her anyways. She told me I had rejected her for a drink last year so hates me now. I used to go with her friend and ignored her. TBH I don't recall this but I instantly bought her a drink and all is well again.[/QUOTE]Funny story yes those girls remember everything. Shit we cannot remember the girl we were with last night but they can remember you being there 12 months earlier.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2389455]... She said the American military guys always give US $100 and ask why I do not give that much since I am American.[/QUOTE]US $100 is about 3000 Baht and I wonder if anyone knows why the American military guys are paying so much. It is just plain overpaying and why would they do that? It is so easy to find out the normal prices and they surely must know that paying 3000 Baht is too much and there is no need to pay so much to the girls.

[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2389920]Funny story yes those girls remember everything. Shit we cannot remember the girl we were with last night but they can remember you being there 12 months earlier.[/QUOTE]Hi Gogo.

Women worldwide I think 5555. How have you've been. We are back in Pattaya in February, if you are in town again let me know and we will have a beer.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2389927]US $100 is about 3000 Baht and I wonder if anyone knows why the American military guys are paying so much. It is just plain overpaying and why would they do that? It is so easy to find out the normal prices and they surely must know that paying 3000 Baht is too much and there is no need to pay so much to the girls.[/QUOTE]Money to burn and not much time to burn it. Maybe if you Yanks kept your military guys in the States and not roaming the world you wouldn't have this problem?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2390058]Money to burn and not much time to burn it. Maybe if you Yanks kept your military guys in the States and not roaming the world you wouldn't have this problem?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so quick to judge the American military. I've been here long enough which will never make me an expert but there are a lot of people overpaying which is why this subject continues to rare it head. All you got to do is go back as far as you like and there will be a conversation regarding overpaying.

I've seen a lot of people from all over the world overpay even on Soi 6, massage parlor, Gentlemen's clubs. Just the other night I was at one of the popular GoGo ventures by many Asians I was stuck between some Koreans and guys from New Zealand? One guy was talking Rugby about the black? Being an old Asian myself I fitted in nicely thinking I had no idea what was being said. In the end, one of the guys BF a girl, this girl I have seen many times rarely gets BF but when you get a taker for 5000 baht ST. When the girl went to change he was paying the tab to the mamasan the look on his face was priceless he was like a little kid in a candy store. Who was I to tell him you just overpaid by 2000 baht.

Even though I live here no matter how long or how much you do it sooner or later you pay your dues that means you overpay or you get a dud? Don't forget Asians always get bashed for overpaying and now I see more and more Indians in clubs overpaying so they are accepted?

Overpaying is part of the game sadly.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2389797]I just got my pipes cleaned by the famous Beer, she will also do FS & anal.[/QUOTE]Beer, now that is a name from the past, haven't seen her for a long long time. Is she back at the shop owned by Amon who also does a pretty good job cleaning the pipes along with Anal and F. S.

Next door to Amon is Juney, she doesn't look as good but has a nice body and better personality if that matters to people it does to me. One of my priorities I like to get a massage or a tease of some sort before I get flipped over and Juney does it for me lately.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2390113]Beer, now that is a name from the past, haven't seen her for a long long time. Is she back at the shop owned by Amon who also does a pretty good job cleaning the pipes along with Anal and F. S.

Next door to Amon is Juney, she doesn't look as good but has a nice body and better personality if that matters to people it does to me. One of my priorities I like to get a massage or a tease of some sort before I get flipped over and Juney does it for me lately.[/QUOTE]I have got the name wrong as it is not next to Amon but 50 yards away. On entering Soi pothole from Soi Bukaow walk 100 feet as far as Triangle bar, take the road to the left (I don't know that road's names from any other features) and continue to the first massage on the left, Janet Massage.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2390264]Triangle bar, take the road to the left (I don't know that road's names from any other features) [/QUOTE]We call it Soi Excite after Excite G Club which is down a ways on that street.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2390264]I have got the name wrong as it is not next to Amon but 50 yards away. On entering Soi pothole from Soi Bukaow walk 100 feet as far as Triangle bar, take the road to the left (I don't know that road's names from any other features) and continue to the first massage on the left, Janet Massage.[/QUOTE]Thanks I think the place might be called Jonart massage? There is two Soi, the far left it runs around back to Soi Buakhao the other is as BB noted Soi Excite.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2390333]We call it Soi Excite after Excite G Club which is down a ways on that street.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure that it is called Soi Excyte, which is named after the nightclub which existed on that large open area of ground further down and closer to 3rd Road. It is now torn down.

Nice report about paying only 1500 b for long term to noon and then telling her it's 1200 next time. (See report down below).

When I first came to Thailand several years ago an old hand ex-pat told me once you set the price with a girl then you are locked into that price. Shortly thereafter I met a girl in BKK who had been slaving in a factory. I paid her 1800 for LT. The next time though I only gave her 1200 and she gladly accepted without a peep of protest. So much for my friends expertise.

I will be in BKK this winter so it will be interesting to see what the prevailing terms are.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2390439]I paid her 1800 for LT. The next time though I only gave her 1200 and she gladly accepted without a peep of protest. So much for my friends expertise.
[/QUOTE]This may not be normal. I had a habit to pay girls differing amounts, depending on whether I was easy to do or very difficult on the occasion. I thought that much more hard work deserved a different amount, and often girls had not negotiated any price with me.

However I found that girls had very good memories of exactly how much I had paid them in the past, even if was weeks or months ago. Some would then ask why the amount had changed. I found it best to say something if paying a girl any hard work bonus, to say clearly that there was a one off bonus due to putting her through the hard work, so she could understand that I would not necessarily pay exactly the same everytime, and that a bonus today was not guaranteed for next time.

So many girls are in fact expecting to paid the same next time, and they rarely forget how much it was. That is my experience, even though I don't pay always the same. In general, if intending to pay less, best tell the girl in advance. Otherwise she could feel she has been ripped off. Some girls can even be angry but say absolutely nothing about it.

As soon as I walked out of 808 I saw a chick that I fancied and attached myself to her. She was with a friend. I asked where we were going. She said she was going to sleep but her friend wanted to go to the Arab disco. I said where, Marine? She didn't answer. Her friend started talking shit. We go to Arab disco and maybe you will not like the music. And drinks cost more than 808. They cost more than 200 baht. I looked at that bich like she was crazy, talking as if I could not afford to pay more than 200 baht for a drink. I went through my phone and showed the girl I was walking with a picture of me in Arab garb in Dubai; as in tell your friend to shut the fuck up.

As soon as we walked in, I went to the bar and got my usual Sangsom on ice. It was 210 baht. (The drinks may cost more here, but they are not watered down like 808.) Meanwhile those broads are sitting over there drinkless. Who thirsty now bich? Later on the chick said that her friend told her to ask me to buy them drinks, but she told her if I wanted to buy drinks for them I would offer. I was half way finished with my drink when my girl said she was going to leave and go to sleep. I said well I am coming too and turned my glass up. I asked where her bike was and she said she didn't have one. I said that is okay. We can take mine. She wanted me to take her to her room but I told her fuck that. You are going home with me.

We got back to my room and she kept doing all this hemming and hawing talking about taking a motorbike home. It was like she didn't really want to tell me she was a hooker. Finally she broke the news gently saying she is working like other girls in Pattaya. Well hell, I am hiring like other men in Pattaya. She asked how much I would give her. I said how much do you want? She said 2000. I started laughing. She said how much you give me. I said 1200. She said give me a towel and I will go take a shower.

Finally went to sleep after 6. I woke up at 9 to do my things and woke her up at 11:30 for round 2. I gave her the 1200 and she insisted to take a motorbike taxi to where she was going instead of me taking her. I asked her why she was ashamed to be with me. We went out the door and she yelled "Mo-Sy". This was my first time hearing someone call a motorcycle taxi like this, unless I just have not been paying attention all these years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2390583]However I found that girls had very good memories of exactly how much I had paid them in the past, even if was weeks or months ago. Some would then ask why the amount had changed.[/QUOTE]Some may not even care to a certain extent. I have been fucking this chick that is a dental hygienist. I usually give her 1200 baht. The other day she sent me a message saying that she misses me. I said you miss me, or you miss my money? She got offended.

She came over that night. I like her coming over because she has a real job to go to and doesn't lay around all day like the chicks that don't. She usually gets up at 9 to be at work at 10. But she woke up at 9:30 trying to fuck. After that she started lounging around. I said hey you are late for work. She said she didn't have to be there until 1 today! Damn.

When she got ready to leave I gave her 1000 baht, 200 less that usual. She thanked me and gave me a kiss and keeps sending messages as usual.

[QUOTE=Franga;2387820]Current exchange rate: 1 usd = 30.1 baht. FL = freelancer. ST= Short Time.

28 yrs at Paradise Massage Soi Honey, 1000 baht. 200 baht room extra.

22 yrs at Soi 6. 1000 baht. 400 baht room extra. Chick rating =8. Very hot ass.

34 yrs Beach Rd FL. 700 baht. Chick rating=7. Did her up the date for 100 baht extra. ST Room=120 baht extra.

33 yrs Beach Rd FL. 1000 baht. Chick rating=8. Skinny with great ass. ST Room=120 baht extra.

41 yrs, Soi Chaiyapoon. 1000 baht inclusive of room. Chick rating= 8.

64 yrs massage chick. 700 baht including A+. Massage 300 baht extra. Chick rating=5.

28 yrs on Soi 6. 1000 baht. Chick rating =8. Room extra 400 baht..[/QUOTE]Great Report man.

I am about to visit Pattaya on 15 Nov. I will be staying at Baywalk. I hope to get as much fun as possible. Your report gives a idea about going rates. Thank you very much.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2390340]Thanks I think the place might be called Jonart massage? There is two Soi, the far left it runs around back to Soi Buakhao the other is as BB noted Soi Excite.[/QUOTE]No, I was corrected on another board, it's Janet Massage.

[QUOTE=Franga;2390410]I am pretty sure that it is called Soi Excyte, which is named after the nightclub which existed on that large open area of ground further down and closer to 3rd Road. It is now torn down.[/QUOTE]I've seen both spellings, your's make sense if there was a club by that name.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2390697]I've seen both spellings, your's make sense if there was a club by that name.[/QUOTE]The disco was called Xzyte Club and I've spelled the name of that soi on here as Soi X-zyte and Soi xzyte in the past.

That huge piece of land is such a wasteland. Has its semi annual mini fairs. About 2 years ago I went to an amazing outdoor Thai concert with lots of acts there. Felt sorry for guys who were looking for P4 P that night because so many hot Thai girls were at that concert.

Some photos of the old X'Zyte nightclub from 2009.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2388430]This is my pet peeve. Too many guys buying lady drinks and doing absolutely nothing other than staring in to a girl's eyes or touching her shoulders and waist. DFK, mutual groping, and lap dancing should be standard if you buy a girl a lady drink.

Will never forget the good old days of 2016 when Soi 6 girls used to greet you with their hands down your pants.[/QUOTE]Good advice, and one I tend to ignore. I am much more likely to BF her is she gets into some kissing and groping, but my nature is that I rarely initiate such action. I have one more trip to Pattaya in 3 weeks to work on that.

I started coming to Patts in May 2015 I can't say I was ever greeted with hands in my pants! But I am old and you have that charm that the ladies love. Haha.

Hello everyone,

Have done the German FKKs and am now ready for the Pattaya experience.

I'm not a drinker or party person but am intrigued about the idea of LT action.

I have been watching countless YouTube videos and plan to check out the Beach Road Freelancers.

Are the freelancers a good idea for LT? Many stunners from what I see in the videos.

Thanks!

I meant to post this yesterday but I forgot. A chick hit me up talking about an Indian guy that killed a chick the other day.

This guy from indian kill the girl. The guy love her to much and give her everything she want. But the girl meet new good one more then him and the girl say no to stay togetther with him. And the guy come big angry.

Guys please remember the 3rd Commandment of mongering: Thou shalt not covet these hoes.

If there is a tutorial somewhere point me to it and I'll go read it but I couldn't find one searching.

So I'm staying right next to Soi 6 and Walking Street, I have a few questions:

1) How do I get a girl / tell a girl I'the like her to go back to my nice hotel (within walking distance)?

2) How do you decline and / or check for "lady boys"?

3) I'm offering all of them 700-1000 Baht; not going higher. I've learned that on here.

I'm mostly concerned with number 1; I keep hearing it's illegal there so I don't know how you all are winding up with girls in your beds.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2388335]If you've never been to Pattaya, it's important to figure out the basic layout *before* you arrive. If you know where things are, you'll be able to book lodging in a place that's centrally located. You'll also be able to get where you need to go on foot, by baht bus or by motorbike taxi. Most importantly you'll be able to get down to business immediately upon arrival without wasting a bunch of time. Online maps are fine, but I also recommend buying an old-fashioned map that you can look at while you are planning your trip. I like the Groovy map of Pattaya, which I find has just right level of detail. You can buy it from Amazon for about 270 baht plus shipping.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/GROOVY-PATTAYA-MAPNGUIDE-Aaron-Frankel/dp/9745250333[/URL][/QUOTE]Can someone gives me advice as to whether this is a good place to stay as far as distance to Soi 6 and walking street?

I am staying for 5 days, I am 33 years old, attractive and in shape, and my whole reason for going is to smash tons of Pattaya Girls. I can't find any solid info online that helps with this.

Anyway, here is where I am staying:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g293919-d2457814-Reviews-Centara_Pattaya_Hotel-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html?m=19905[/URL]

You just tell the girl you want to bar fine her. Don't be so caught up on overpaying. A few hundred baht isn't that big a deal to overpay.

Mostly things are pretty straight forward. Say what you want and be upfront.

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391064]If there is a tutorial somewhere point me to it and I'll go read it but I couldn't find one searching.

So I'm staying right next to Soi 6 and Walking Street, I have a few questions:

1) How do I get a girl / tell a girl I'the like her to go back to my nice hotel (within walking distance)?

2) How do you decline and / or check for "lady boys"?

3) I'm offering all of them 700-1000 Baht; not going higher. I've learned that on here.

I'm mostly concerned with number 1; I keep hearing it's illegal there so I don't know how you all are winding up with girls in your beds.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391064]If there is a tutorial somewhere point me to it and I'll go read it but I couldn't find one searching.

So I'm staying right next to Soi 6 and Walking Street, I have a few questions:

1) How do I get a girl / tell a girl I'the like her to go back to my nice hotel (within walking distance)?
2) How do you decline and / or check for "lady boys"?
3) I'm offering all of them 700-1000 Baht; not going higher. I've learned that on here.

I'm mostly concerned with number 1; I keep hearing it's illegal there so I don't know how you all are winding up with girls in your beds. [/QUOTE]1. Tell her exactly, "I want to barfine you my hotel."

2. A) Only pick up girls from girl girl bars and GO GO's. And don't worry too much about it because it is very obvious and 99.9975% of the time you will know. B) But when in doubt pass ie trust your instincts on this. C). Ask politely if you must. LB's will tell you the truth. Girls will laugh and ask you why you ask. And posties will tell you they are girls. Ha Ha. D) How to decline a LB advance? That's funny too: just smile and say, "I looking for girl, sorry" and that will do it.

3. Take Horatio's advice. 700 to 1000 baht is the range for Soi 6 bar girls, but a couple of hundred baht doesn't matter if you like the girl and she is better looking than most of the others. To such a girl you might say, "I give you X (the venue price) plus I give you good tip if you make me happy." That works a lot. On the other hand if a girl asks for some outrageous sum 2 or 3 times her venue's range. Walk away. She is no good.

4. On illegality, 555: Don't worry about it. Once you arrive in Pat and see with your own eyes what is going on, you won't give it a 2nd thought. BTW, your hotel is girl friendly. Take as many girls as you like back to your room and have a blast. And don't miss the Walking Street Go Go's!

5. RTFF. It is all here.

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391070]Can someone gives me advice as to whether this is a good place to stay as far as distance to Soi 6 and walking street?
[/QUOTE]It is convenient to Soi 6, but not walking street. There are a lot of road construction activities on Beach Rd at the moment, so traffic is slowed there, especially at the busy time in the evening. So getting to Walking St via Beach Rd may take some time.

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391064] I keep hearing it's illegal there so I don't know how you all are winding up with girls in your beds.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is only illegal if carried out in "a place of prostitution". Your hotel is not a place of prostitution. It is a business that provides accomodation services. Prostitution activities may take place there, but it is not a place of prostitution (ie, a brothel).

Similarly for all of the massage places. They carry on the business of providing massage services, hence they are not places of prostitution.

However girls are very wary of leaving any evidence of prostition activities being carried out on their premises so will remove all condoms and their packages, and take them elsewhere.

I was in Pattaya for the 1st time for about 5 days last week of Oct. Nothing fancy in this report but thought I share my thoughts on Pattaya for ya.

Landed in bkk and took Ann taxi to Pattaya arriving around 1230 am. On the way had this TF chick send me a massage asking if I was in Pattaya. Told her yea but she didn't believe me. Showed a pic of my boarding pass and she believed me. Got to talking to meet and finally meet at like 130 am. Got to my hotel (Acqua Hotel, BTW great hotel). Went to 7-11 and got the beer and food ready. She came over at 130 am, 23 why. O Skinny chick with nicely done boob job, no scar. Talked to her for a while about her job and life. She's from Udon Thani and tells me she's been in Pattaya for 3 weeks and works as a massage girl, no beer bar. After talking, went to do the deed and fucked her multiple positions. Cumed twice and then once by HJ. It was 5 am and I told her I kept her here long enough and I'm sure she had to go. Never asked about money, I just slid 2. 5 k and she left with a smile.

I saw her again couple other times and we hung out in the clubs and such but she said she will be leaving to try find another job as massage isn't reliable in terms of always making money.

Next day I went to explore this city. Many more foreigners than I expected honestly. Lots of construction going on which shows that the city reps are at least trying to take care of this city and expand I guess. Terminal 21 is awesome to get food and just chill out inside.

I don't go to beer bars as I don't drink like that, and gogos are pretty much money drainers from what I have read so I can't comment on any. I went to one beer bar on soi 6 called Playtime?. Not sure why the fuck I went to it, I think it was playing music I liked. But went in got a rum and coke. These girls don't seem to know wtf that is. Took like 3 people to understand what rum and cokes is. Anyways this beer bar was a dub. Girl came and gave me a drink and left. 4 girls in the front, 2 with the customers, and I'm alone sipping my drink. Finished my drink and left ASAP.

Clubs: Insomnia cool club. Lots of FL but man was it always packed with dudes. I went ever night and I believe for the majority, expect this one day where it was raining, dudes outnumbered the girls. I spoke to couple of them and they mostly were quoting 2 k ST (around 1-2 am), one said 3 k. Never bothered with any as I didn't really care was just looking to see their prices again for research purposes. I'm 100% sure I could have bought it down to 1.5 k. I suggest people negotiate to the market rate just caz these girls know they can pull a fast on from a newbie who knows nothing better.

Lucifer Club: This club was the only club I found not to be filled to the brim with people. You could find a spot and chill and there was always FL coming and going. Girls her were also I believe more accepting of Indians as there were always Indian dudes here. Only thing with this club is the insane loud music. I know it's a club but Jesus, its legit ear rape if you stand in front.

808 Club: Always popping with people. Attracts African Americans and lots of younger type crowd. Has rap and are+be playing. I really liked it for the music. Definitely had the hottest chicks in here IMO. Lots of smoke in here which was a problem for me. Also, not the biggest club. Most girls here were chilling with the GF with bottles in the table so kind of difficult to approach them without the right game, or if she's not smiling at you haha. Price I was quoted by 2 hot chick I asked 3 k st. There were some thicc girls there but they were scooped up by the party going dudes.

The pier: I tired going into it but was told no. It seems its only for japs / Koreans. They sent me to this Russian booth and I just turned around and left. Probably caz they thought I was Indian even tho I'm not LOL.

TF and Tinder: These worked great in Pattaya. Not so much in BKK tho (for me). Like I said all my girls were from TF and price seems to be cheaper here than anything as most of the TF girls are just FL who don't work in beer bars or other similar establishments. Tinder was also decent, had match but never time to meet like that. I fucked 4 girls from TF all who were all chill. 1 of them hung out like every day with me and the other one took me to Nong Nooch and we hung out there. 3 of the TF girls went for the 1.3 k rate ST except 1 who stood at 1.5 k ST. 2 of them had kids and 2 didn't.

Daytime: Did not see too many FL on Beach road in the day time, night time you got a good amount just sanding out there but it's nothing too crazy but they are there if you want. What's the options for day time? MP / TF I guess?

Final thoughts. Pattaya is an interesting city and as someone here said, you need to be here for months to understand the economics at play. I can say the same for BKK, which is even crazier. As for actually staying in Central Pattaya, I do feel it's over populated. I went to Jomthiem and liked it much more. If you want to monger, then yea guess staying in central is best option, but Jomehiem is more relaxing. I wish I could have gone to those smaller clubs but being a first timer with no wingman, I wasn't too comfortable going there solo.

In regards to prices, getting 1.5 k for a ST seems to be a lot for these girls. I gave 2 of these TF girls just 300 bhat for hanging out and they couldn't believe it. Like its chump change for me but to these girls, it must be a lot. So when I hear people over pay, even tho I'm not living here, it pains my heart, knowing this is why girls come up with insane prices. Is this a correct assessment to make on the prices or am I wrong here?

I will be back again as I know the layout of the land now. Hopefully not solo. Hanging out with a wingman makes things more fun. I would up my TF / Tinder game too before getting here, it's a little more work but 2 weeks before you come just start talking and find those freelancers. I think that's pretty much it.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2391038]
I'm not a drinker or party person but am intrigued about the idea of LT action.

I have been watching countless YouTube videos and plan to check out the Beach Road Freelancers.

Are the freelancers a good idea for LT? Many stunners from what I see in the videos.
[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with taking a freelancer for LT, same as anyone else. Some people will tell you it's dangerous, but I've done it and had no problems in many years. Avoid obviously high / drunk girls. Make sure she (or he) shows her ID at the reception (and perhaps that they copy it), it's for your safety as well as the hotel. In your room, don't leave valuables or jewellery out in the open, although 99% of the girls are not thieves, and wouldn't steal anything even if they had a chance.

Some of the better looking Beach Road girls tend to have multiple customers per day, so if you prefer LT, you might have more luck later in the evening (or need to offer more money). Personally, I prefer to go for ST first to test the waters, and if the vibe is good vibe get their LINE ID and arrange for LT or a relaxed daytime session later (or simply extend it then and there if the girl is so good). Going rate for ST is 700-1000 baht, LT double that (roughly).

Not sure which videos you're watching, but there are no stunners on Beach Road (and very few in all of Pattaya). Many girls hang around Beach Road in the evening, most are dregs, but a handful are passable.

Line-up was way better one month ago (more girls, better quality). Is it because it is now high season and the best-looking ones get scooped up? Or is it because I go early (2 or 3 pm) and girls in high season come out later?

Non tattooed girls are hit and miss. If you want to make sure a girl knows hows her job better pick a girl with tattooes.

[QUOTE=XXL;2391261]Line-up was way better one month ago (more girls, better quality). Is it because it is now high season and the best-looking ones get scooped up? Or is it because I go early (2 or 3 pm) and girls in high season come out later?[/QUOTE]Everytime I see this I am at a total lost. Soi 6 has always been Soi 6 to me. Please describe exactly what it is that you guys are looking for that you are not seeing when you say this. What exactly did you see to say there were more and the quality was better before? There are literally hundreds of chicks on this soi at any time. Are you looking for there to be thousands? How many did you plan on fucking? My problem on the soi has always been only having one dick and not not being able to find at least one chick to stick it in.

[QUOTE=XXL;2391261]If you want to make sure a girl knows hows her job better pick a girl with tattooes.[/QUOTE]What does having tattoos or not have to do with fucking? These days it is hard to find a chick without tattoos, pro or non-pro. I have thrown in the towel on that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2391274]...

What does having tattoos or not have to do with fucking? These days it is hard to find a chick without tattoos, pro or non-pro. I have thrown in the towel on that.[/QUOTE]I'd say one third of soi 6 girls untattooed. Well-tattooed girls mostly experienced all-rounders who see themselves as fuckmeat and act accordingly. The complete duds I've had in Thailand have been girls without tattoos.

Tattoos also a good predictor of wicked sex in German FKKs.

In Pattaya I met girls with no tattoo who were great PSE in the bed and girls with alot of tattoo who were a starfish. So no logic in combining tattoos with performance IME.

Soi 6 bars line up changes from one time to another, go there at 2 pm, at 6 pm and at 12 am you will see many different faces.

Mr. JBatts77 recently advised he had booked the Centara Pattaya Hotel, which he claimed was "right next to Soi 6 and Walking Street." In his very next post he asked: "Can someone give me advice as to whether this is a good place to stay as far as distance to Soi 6 and Walking Street?"

Mr. 77 quoted my previous post about the value of learning the lay of the land before arriving. He quoted the link I provided to purchase a *MAP* of Pattaya for about 270 baht. But obviously he has not done his homework.

If he had purchased the Groovy map, or looked at any online map, he would know it's impossible for any hotel to be "right next" to Soi 6 *and* Walking Street because those places are at opposite ends of town.

It is a basic rule of all online forums that new users are expected to learn as much as possible from SELF-STUDY before asking a question. In some forums there is a Primer or a FAQ that's easy to find. (I'm thinking of the legendary Brockton O'Toole's guide to the Zona Norte in Tijuana.) Not so in this forum. Nobody is going to spoon feed you like a baby.

But you can still learn a lot on your own. Go back 100 pages and read forward, both in this forum and in the forum with hotel reviews. Take notes for future reference. Look up unfamiliar places on Google maps. Put some time and effort into STUDYING.

Eventually you will develop a general idea of how the naughty boy scene in Pattaya operates. You'll learn the locations of the main areas of interest and how to navigate by baht bus or on foot. You'll learn the basics of going with a girl, regardless of where you happen to find her. You'll get a handle on prices, and on how to spend your time when not on the prowl. Yes, this will require some time and effort. Yes, this is a lot like going to school. But there is no substitute. If you just show up and "wing it," you'll make stupid newbie mistakes. You'll waste precious time. You'll pay too much. You may even set yourself up to be taken advantage of in ways large or small.

You're welcome.

Bunky

Just want to add my experience in Patts from two months ago. I booked an Airbnb right near the entrance of walking street, check in was no issue and neither was bringing girls back. I arrived in the afternoon and wanted to try something right off the bat. I've heard Pattaya wasn't the best for soapies, but I love soapies and wanted to see what they're like here. I chose Sabai Dee and was greeted with more than 20 ladies off the bat, and a helpful papa-san who pointed out eager girls. I picked a girl who was smiling a lot at me, and went to the counter to pay 2100 baht.

Once in the room, she wanted to smoke a cig first, which I wasn't a fan of, but dealt with if it put her at ease. Anyway, we started the bath and I had a lovely time getting her to clean me thoroughly with her hands, mouth, and tits. I got a bit of BBBJ but didn't manage to cum, which I'll blame on jet lag. We moved on to the bed, put on a rubber, and continued the fun. Did a couple of positions, and in doggie, I started to massage her asshole with my thumb. She seemed into it, and said yes to if I could finger it. Should have taken this chance to ask for anal, but I was almost out of time and ready to cum doing doggie, so I let it slip away. Overall, I had a decent GFE, a good clean, and not too shabby of an experience.

Continuing from my last post, I was so tired from Sabai and jet lag that I fell asleep that night without going out to a gogo as planned. Should have had some ambien next time on the plane or caffeine pills on the ground. Next day in the morning I took a long stroll down beach road to see had daytime action was like. Saw a lot of older ladies sitting on blankets and other uglies aimlessly wandering around. On my stroll back down beach road, I saw a girl who looked somewhat bangable, sitting on the beach but pretty close to the road. I ventured down and said Hi, but she didn't speak English and looked confused. I tried following up with generic questions, but she just maintained a polite smile and looked confused. I gave up and headed to Soi 6.

After walking up and down a couple times, I headed into Tomcats. I guess I came at a bad time, because I didn't see any attractive girls. There certainly were girls there, but they either had a lot of tattoos or a pudgy belly. No big deal, since there's so many other choices, and I went to Wicked next. Saw a small girl with an artsy butterfly tat on her shoulder, and she had been looking my direction for a while, so I invited her over and got an OJ, 80 baht. We got to know each other, and she let me rub her thighs and a few wick brushes against her pussy. Asked 200 for the room and 1200ST, which I accepted without bargaining. Had a very PSE, with sloppy BBBJ and multiple positions, fingering, and finish on tits. Absolute blast!

For those that have visited during the time: how is pattaya the week of Christmas? Have booked 23-27 (been many times before but only between March-October) December. Hotel price wasnt bad at all but how's the crowd during that week? Extreme or do-able? Or does it more so increase after the week of Christmas? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391064]If there is a tutorial somewhere point me to it and I'll go read it but I couldn't find one searching.

So I'm staying right next to Soi 6 and Walking Street, I have a few questions:

1) How do I get a girl / tell a girl I'the like her to go back to my nice hotel (within walking distance)?

2) How do you decline and / or check for "lady boys"?

3) I'm offering all of them 700-1000 Baht; not going higher. I've learned that on here.

I'm mostly concerned with number 1; I keep hearing it's illegal there so I don't know how you all are winding up with girls in your beds.[/QUOTE]The easiest to know if you are dealing with a lady boy is to ask to see their ID. IF you can read Thai, it says gender at birth and even though there have been attempts to allow the gender line to be revised there has been no change. By the way -most of them will tell you IF YOU ASK.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2392571]The easiest to know if you are dealing with a lady boy is to ask to see their ID. IF you can read Thai, it says gender at birth and even though there have been attempts to allow the gender line to be revised there has been no change. By the way -most of them will tell you IF YOU ASK.[/QUOTE]Read Thai? It says mister or miss in English. You should be able to tell by the voice, look, and mannerisms before you even get to asking about an ID.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2392577]Read Thai? It says mister or miss in English. You should be able to tell by the voice, look, and mannerisms before you even get to asking about an ID.[/QUOTE]Some of our pals want to check out hookers more than you'd check out a used car. I am simple: quacks, looks, walks, talks like a gander.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2392571] By the way -most of them will tell you IF YOU ASK.[/QUOTE]How would you know that? How many did you need to ask to know the answer and they answered that they were in fact a LB? Common enough to get the answer that no, they are in fact a real girl.

Seems very stupid to be asking an obvious LB whether in fact she is one. An Asshole type of question. ha ha

Seems a bit hypothetical. It seems rude to ask to me, unless I really don't know the answer, then of course there needs to be a valid reason to be asking, otherwise, seems quite rude to be not minding one's own business, so to speak. If I ever wanted to fuck a girl, seems I am almost never unsure about her gender status. So never have occasion to ask.

I am aware of bars existing where they had a small number of LBs since many year ago, e. G. Deja Vu was one, and it was a big secret. I was told off for asking some other real girl about my suspicions. Some customers could easily have been blindly unaware. If the customer asked them directly, I am not sure if they would try to lie or not. Many LBs pretending to be girls, had the objective to be sucking on the guys dick before "she" removed her panties, so the customer might not find out she still had a dick or a strange pussy.

[QUOTE=Jbatts77;2391064]............2) How do you decline and / or check for "lady boys"? ............[/QUOTE]For me the problem isn't lady boys, I can easily recognize and avoid them. The problem is post-ops who I sometimes am not able to discern. I do recognize after clothes are off and, therefore, some expense has been incurred for nothing, which happened to me once some years ago.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2392411]How is Pattaya the week of Christmas? Have booked December 23-27 How's the crowd during that week? Extreme or do-able? Or does it more so increase after the week of Christmas?[/QUOTE]I've done several trips where I arrive about December 20 and depart in the first week of January. If that's not the peak of high season, it's pretty darn close.

You will encounter lots of nighttime traffic on Second Road headed north, especially from Central Festival Mall to Soi 6. Ditto for Beach Road headed south, especially from Hooters to Walking Street. Plenty of gigantic tour buses. Sometimes traffic gets so bad it's faster to walk than take a baht bus. If you're in a hurry the motorcycle taxis are also an option. Lots of traffic on Soi Buakaow as well, so much so that your really have to keep your head up when you walk along the shoulder. Other than those areas, no problems with traffic at all.

You'll notice the Chinese tour groups in two places. They will be traipsing up and down Walking Street at night, of course. But you'll also see them clogging the sidewalks near The Base Condo in the central part of town. I know these knots of people annoy many on the this forum, but I don't have a problem with them. Other than at night on Walking Street, their itinerary does not overlap mine. They go for their early morning speedboat rides and buy overpriced souvenirs. And I do what I do and go where I go. I've never had to wait for a seat in a restaurant or a bar or a go go club. Perhaps the dining room Casa Pascal is more crowded for their most excellent breakfast buffet.

It seems to me there are lots and lots of girls in town at Christmas time. The go go clubs will have full lineups and Soi 6 will be heaving. Most, if not all, of the beer bars in Soi Made In Thailand will be open. My sense is that some girls leave town to ring in the new year elsewhere. But you'll be gone before then.

Are there any naked bar in Pattya? Where I can get naked and drink beer and dance?

[QUOTE=AManHasNoName;2392808]Are there any naked bar in Pattya? Where I can get naked and drink beer and dance?[/QUOTE]Since they give public BJ's in some of, if not all, the G clubs and BJ bars in Pattaya I suppose that would be your best starting point.

Just let us know where you end up so the rest of us can avoid it.

SE.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2392906]Just let us know where you end up so the rest of us can avoid it.

SE.[/QUOTE]Where's that thumbs up emoji when you need it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2391060]I meant to post this yesterday but I forgot. A chick hit me up talking about an Indian guy that killed a chick the other day.

This guy from indian kill the girl. The guy love her to much and give her everything she want. But the girl meet new good one more then him and the girl say no to stay togetther with him. And the guy come big angry.

Guys please remember the 3rd Commandment of mongering: Thou shalt not covet these hoes.[/QUOTE]I heard the news as well. It was terrible, Apparently she was murdered in a hotel near Soi Buakhao and just left the country. No word about any of this, It's fucked up.

New club called Golden Time will open soon in soi Buakhao (it is the former Surprise Yourself). Same property as Babylon G. Club.

Naughty club, next to Club 555 it's just open.

New name and looks for the old The Office agogo, now is called FRIENDS.

In little more than a week in Patt's I did my usual stops. Soi 6 is good, I spent a good amount of time in a number of the Nightwish group bars. Best Gogo seems to be Kink on LK metro or Windmill off Walking Street.

Freelancers are easily found off ThaiFriendly but the availability can be a problem. They come and go so when you want to call them out they may not be around. I had my best success booking ahead for the evening or next day. One thing is that they are wary of time wasters so a definite booking works well. Any anyone not in Pattaya should not message the girls, it may get you blocked.

Soi Pothole seems to have a good choices but the selection was poor visually.

Came to Pattaya from Bangkok for 2 days. It was my, I guess, 3rd trip to Pattaya this year and shortest one.

Clearly tourist season has started, saw so many Asians this time. Beach was also quite shit.

Arrived in Pattaya around 2 pm. Checked into hotel at soi 12. Rested for 5 minutes and headed to a nearby massage shop. Went for a normal oil massage, no extras. This was to get blood flowing, because sitting in van for 4 hours is really frustrating.

After this, went to soi 6. I love this soi, because it's open almost everytime. Had a great pizza for lunch, then couple of beers at a bar and then action. This was a cute, little fat yoing girl. Almost no English, so no conversation at all. But she compensated for this in bed. BBBJ and doggy. 1500 baht.

At night, went to walking street. This was packed. Almost all my usual gogos were packed. Went to shark then and picked a decent girl. Beer was 100 b and lady drink 150 b. Bought her 2 drinks, talked about usual things, but most importantly felt her curved. She had good enough curves in all the important places. We went to my room, 2000ST, 800 bar fine.

Experience was okay, I was also little tired from all the walking earlier, so I let her do all the work. Got a good view of her on top, didn't come for a while. When I realised she was getting frustrated, I closed my eyes and imagined my better experiences and boom.

Second day.

Went to a massage shop near soi 6. Saw a pretty girl sitting there. Asked for extras and she smiled. Went in for oil massage and it was full of teases. She touched my balls just in right way get me hot and horny. When I turned on my back, she gave me a great head. She asked if I wanted sex, now I wanted it but the place was so small, and bed would have made those weird noises while having sex. So passed on it and just asked her to continue BJ. When I was about to come, I warned her and she took it out and I popped on the tissue. Good start of day. Paid her 1500 for extras and 300 for oil.

Took her line too. Take note of that.

At night went to soi 6 again, pretty much same routine. Visited 4 bars, on the last one, got a isani girl. She said her age is 19, I am quite dubious of that. Anyways had couple of drinks with her, she said she wanted to come with me. But I had other plans for the night, so went to a room upstairs. Her pussy was tight and I can say she is new to this. Boobs werr big enough but had a chubby tummy. Anyways she was comfortable with all positions and I comed in miss.

After reaching room around midnight, messaged the girl from masaage place. She said she is about to go to her room. I asked her to come to meet me, and we agreed for full night 2500 baht. She could have agreed on 1. 5 k because her shift was off and I knew she liked me enough to stay with me for 1. 5 k. But I don't bother about bargaining if I know girl is good and I will have a good time. She came to room around 1:30 and after having some drink we went into shower. I liked her body more now in some actual light. Moved to bed and it was hot. I was sitting and she was all over me. Kissing every part of my body. After giving a great wet BBBJ again, I popped the rubber and went in her. Pussh was tight enough, and she was quite into it. A true GFE. Comed twice in night. In morning, had breakfast with her and dropped her to taxi. Will I see her again when in Pattaya? No. Well I won't be in Pattaya before March anyways.

If anyone wants her Line ID, dm me.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2393146]In little more than a week in Patt's I did my usual stops. Soi 6 is good, I spent a good amount of time in a number of the Nightwish group bars. Best Gogo seems to be Kink on LK metro or Windmill off Walking Street.

Freelancers are easily found off ThaiFriendly but the availability can be a problem. They come and go so when you want to call them out they may not be around. I had my best success booking ahead for the evening or next day. One thing is that they are wary of time wasters so a definite booking works well. Any anyone not in Pattaya should not message the girls, it may get you blocked.

Soi Pothole seems to have a good choices but the selection was poor visually.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the quick and crisp update.

Perhaps you might care to elaborate on the Soi Pothole comment. I am unable to understand what good choice means if the selection was visually poor.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2393146]In little more than a week in Pattays I did my usual stops. Soi Pothole seems to have a good choices but the selection was poor visually.[/QUOTE]Like Mr. Blanquiceleste I was puzzled by this offhand remark. If I had to guess what Mr. Up meant, I would venture he found lots of girls available on Soi Chaiyapoon, but he didn't think they were attractive. If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure he'll correct me.

Whenever I go down Soi Pothole? There are many options " choices " majority massage shops, Beer Bars, Gentlemens Clubs, etc, left and right but nothing one see's to pull the trigger, is that anything different from reports of individual going down Soi 6? That is how I perceived his statement.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2393146]Best Gogo seems to be Kink on LK metro or Windmill off Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Those bars are on my list of top ten go-go's. But, obviously, the criteria is "most fun" and "hands-on". Kink has a good lesbian show. It's neat where the stage comes down to the first floor (every hour, on the hour). On the second floor, it's the normal "fun" where you can fondle and lick as much as you want for lady's drinks.

I was at Windmill last night. Way too crowded to enjoy.

Another fun go-go bar is Dollhouse and the upstairs XXX lounge. That place got more happening. Girls are decent. Better than Windmill, IMO.

The go-go across Dollhouse changed owners / name / layout. Beaver go-go. Same owner as Dollhouse and Electric Blue. Beaver not as packed when it was Baby Dolls.

- Talent at Palace go-go was very good last night. Is that still the best bars for looks? Talent at Tantra go-go was also good.

- Talent at Soi 6 was disappointing for my taste for the last few days. IMO, one of the best ones on Soi 6 was Wha Wha at Mod's Bar. Decent face with a good 19 year old body. 400 bar fine, 1000 tip for BBBJ and CIM, no rimming, no lesbian show. BJ was decent, not great. She would be below average at Palace.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2393660]

- Talent at Palace go-go was very good last night. Is that still the best bars for looks? Talent at Tantra go-go was also good.[/QUOTE]Palace likely still tops in most people's eyes but you can try Pin Up and Sensations.

For skankier gogo bars you can add Wildcats and Crazy House to that list. Wildcats is nothing like it was in the good old days but still dirtier than most gogo bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2393684]Palace likely still tops in most people's eyes but you can try Pin Up and Sensations.

For skankier gogo bars you can add Wildcats and Crazy House to that list. Wildcats is nothing like it was in the good old days but still dirtier than most gogo bars.[/QUOTE]I believe Wildcats is closed or going to close! Crazy House has been closed for a few months now all the staff moved to Lighthouse which opened back up. It is also rumored that Peppermint will be closing soon.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2393684]Palace likely still tops in most people's eyes but you can try Pin Up and Sensations.[/QUOTE]Things are going very fast in Pattaya.

I went to the Palace last night. It has dropped a lot compared to 6 months ago when I considered him one of the 3 best gogos in Pattaya. Now there are only half of the girls and half of the clients left. The reception is unpleasant. I was attacked by a waitress who I repeated at least 3 times that I wanted a Coca Cola and brought me a wisky coca, telling me it was aggressive that it was my fault. I still had to pay for this order while I left without consuming it.

In short to flee.

Prefer safe values; Baccarat, Widmill, Sapphyr, Pin Up (lots of girls now), Farenheit who is well put together (lots of beautiful girls and great atmosphere).

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2393734]I believe Wildcats is closed or going to close! Crazy House has been closed for a few months now all the staff moved to Lighthouse which opened back up. It is also rumored that Peppermint will be closing soon.[/QUOTE]OMG they're going to ruin Lighthouse bringing in those ugly girls from Dog House. Lighthouse was one of my secret gem bars.

Odd in some of the bar closures. Peppermint and crazy house were fairly busy in comparison to many of the walking street gogo bars.

I leave for a few months and all hell breaks loose! My baht surely is missed by these gogo bars.

Pimp, palace is notoriously slow on Sunday nights and most top girls take Sundays and possibly Mondays off.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2393753]I went to the Palace last night. It has dropped a lot compared to 6 months ago when I considered him one of the 3 best gogos in Pattaya. Now there are only half of the girls and half of the clients left. The reception is unpleasant.[/QUOTE]Hmm.

I wish Palace go-go had half the clients. Since it's a small bar, it's always packed, even on this past Sunday and Monday (after 9 pm). I don't like this bar because I'm normally squished between 2 guys.

- I was at Pin Up go-go this Monday at 12:15 am. It was pretty packed. The non-model barfine was 1000. She wanted 3000 short time and 5000 long time. Many good looking girls. Wondering if there were a few stunners earlier, girls I virtually never barfine since they don't give PSE (usually no long time BBBJ, no CIM, no rimming).

- A lot of Indians on the street, but virtually none at the popular bars. At the Windmill, when 2 Indian types attempted to enter, the door guy put up a sign that said something like, 200 baht cover which includes 1 drink. Those 2 guys left. Saw this happen at 3 other bars. Each time, the guys never paid. I chuckle when that happens, but of course I don't like it when it happens to me (At Bangkok's RCA 2 when only foreigners are charged a cover charge or in other countries when I'm denied entry because of my age).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2393886]OMG they're going to ruin Lighthouse bringing in those ugly girls from Dog House. Lighthouse was one of my secret gem bars.

Odd in some of the bar closures. Peppermint and crazy house were fairly busy in comparison to many of the walking street gogo bars.

I leave for a few months and all hell breaks loose! My baht surely is missed by these gogo bars.

Pimp, palace is notoriously slow on Sunday nights and most top girls take Sundays and possibly Mondays off.[/QUOTE]Not sure it was you or someone else, who mentioned back? The food is not the best but it is another option in town. Tequila Reef on Soi 7, is closing Nov 22nd, moving up to Pattaya Klang just past Foodland to Welcome Town to open again Dec 10th.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2393974]Not sure it was you or someone else, who mentioned back? The food is not the best but it is another option in town. Tequila Reef on Soi 7, is closing Nov 22nd, moving up to Pattaya Klang just past Foodland to Welcome Town to open again Dec 10th.[/QUOTE]Peppermint has seemed busy to me compared to a lot of other gogos on most of my visits. I'm surprised its closing. Tequila Reef is my favorite Pattaya restaurant, I'm quite surprised they're leaving Soi 7. Maybe the landlord jacked up the rent. The Pattaya Klang location will not be that easy to get to. Hopefully baht buses run along Pattaya Klang.

[QUOTE=Allover;2394037]Peppermint has seemed busy to me compared to a lot of other gogos on most of my visits. I'm surprised its closing. Tequila Reef is my favorite Pattaya restaurant, I'm quite surprised they're leaving Soi 7. Maybe the landlord jacked up the rent. The Pattaya Klang location will not be that easy to get to. Hopefully baht buses run along Pattaya Klang.[/QUOTE]When it comes to Peppermint that is a rumor from a girl I've known for a long time that works a Bacarra. Been busy so haven't had time to go by and speak to the manager.

When it comes to Tequila Reef been there over 20 years but the move is based solely on rent! I didn't get into details about how much they were paying but I do know the owner of the land structure is the same people who own the majority of the land for the BeerBars. For one of those shacks, the rent is something like 20,000 baht a month and that doesn't include the electric and water markup the owner charges. Top that off the owner want "key money" each year just for the privilege of renting.

Like last night the BB many are empty as if barely hanging on so I guess the owners decided to increase the rent to make up for the loses? I didn't want to argue with the staff but I know the location Welcome Town very well although there are Songthaw running up to Pattaya Klang you have to transfer to get there.

And majority of the business there close by 7 pm? Eating at the Reef thru the years it seems majority of the business comes from walk-in people who are on holiday staying nearby hotels?

Rent is lower I'm sure and the new location will be a must smaller place majority of their business will come from regulars during the day because on my way home last night to the Darkside I pull into Welcome Town the place was dark with only one place open. I also noticed the "Loaf" which use to be near the corner of Soi Lengkee and Baukhao has move inside the Welcome Town and it was closed at night. Well good luck to the owner.

Morning gentlemen,

Thought I share an experience from my recent trip.

I previously met a good looking 22 year old girl named Joy at a bar on Soi Whitehouse in Jomtien (think the bar was named Fungo or Fungos) so I wanted to see her again and made contact on WhatsApp.

Turns out she is no longer working at the bar because now have a boyfriend, probably farang.

But she said she could meet at ST hotel and that's fine with me.

I made a booking at Full Love In in Pattaya at 19:00.

Of course she arrived a little late as all Thai girls do but no problem for me.

Very casually dressed, a little too much makeup but beautiful nevertheless.

Gained a few pounds since I saw her last and she kept saying she needs to start exercise so I thought I let her do all the work.

Last time I was with her she was ok in bed, not great but ok.

This time however she turned in to a dead fish.

Only reason I can think of is that she felt somewhat guilty towards her boyfriend, I am sure she do this secretly to make a little more money.

Anyhow, 2500 baht less in my pocket and an empty sack I was satisfied.

Will I repeat again? No.

There are about 50.000 other girls in the area nearby so no repeat.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2393125]Naughty club, next to Club 555 it's just open.[/QUOTE]Stopped at the Naughty Club last night on my way back to my hotel. Five or six younger thin girls out front with at least as many inside. Bought a beer and lady drink and inquired about in site prices. 350 bar fine with 1000 for full service. Was quoted 1000 bar fine until 2:00 am then drops to 500,1500ST and 2000 LT. Decided to go next door to 555 and save 50 bath on the bar fine. The room upstairs is large with king size bed and couch.

Location is good for me less than a block from the Centra where I am staying.

[QUOTE=BogieMaker;2394372]Stopped at the Naughty Club last night on my way back to my hotel. Five or six younger thin girls out front with at least as many inside. Bought a beer and lady drink and inquired about in site prices. 350 bar fine with 1000 for full service. Was quoted 1000 bar fine until 2:00 am then drops to 500,1500ST and 2000 LT. Decided to go next door to 555 and save 50 bath on the bar fine. The room upstairs is large with king size bed and couch.

Location is good for me less than a block from the Centra where I am staying.[/QUOTE]Clarification for me at least? I got the site prices but " was quoted 1000 BF until 2:00 am then drops to 500.1500ST and 2000 LT " ?

There is a new club? In the LK Metro called " Friends " the old Office Go Go location. I went by Monday thinking it was going to be another GoGo, but it is an open-air club with pool tables and a few a platform pole dancing. There were a number of Agency / Coyota / Model girls sitting in the front for eye candy I went up to one of them for conversation indicated to me that the owners trying to be like a smaller version of I-Bar?

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2392411]For those that have visited during the time: how is pattaya the week of Christmas? Have booked 23-27 (been many times before but only between March-October) December. Hotel price wasnt bad at all but how's the crowd during that week? Extreme or do-able? Or does it more so increase after the week of Christmas? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I thinking of going around that time my self.

F. why. I.

Confirmed Peppermint GoGo, closing this month there is a For Rent sign for the space outside.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2394619]Confirmed Peppermint GoGo, closing this month there is a For Rent sign for the space outside.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure I've seen a For Rent sign outside of Peppermint in the past. Maybe the owner puts it up whenever the tenant doesn't confirm they are renewing the lease. I hope Peppermint doesn't close. It's the furthest gogo bar on Walking Street. Yes, I don't count Living Dolls. I never walk past Peppermint since there are no gogo bars that come to mind beyond that.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2394417]Clarification for me at least? I got the site prices but " was quoted 1000 BF until 2:00 am then drops to 500.1500ST and 2000 LT " ?[/QUOTE]Take out:

Bar fine: 1000 bhat until 2:00 am then drops to 500 bhat.

Girl: 1500 for short time and 2000 all night.

Upstairs:

Bar Fine 350 bath.

Girl: 1000.

I assume this is similar to Soi 6 prices.

Greetings fellow mongers,

I'm going to be there in pattaya and Bangkok next week. I would appreciate if I get any leads as to where to go. And rates in the city. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2394646]Pretty sure I've seen a For Rent sign outside of Peppermint in the past. Maybe the owner puts it up whenever the tenant doesn't confirm they are renewing the lease. I hope Peppermint doesn't close. It's the furthest gogo bar on Walking Street. Yes, I don't count Living Dolls. I never walk past Peppermint since there are no gogo bars that come to mind beyond that.[/QUOTE]I spoke to the manager of Bacarra last night and he confirmed the end of the month. I like the Happy Group but this year when they didn't have their annual Songkran event for all their clubs I knew they were hurting a bit. This event is put on for all their staff and special invitees and it is huge with a live band and prizes are given out all night.

It is a well-run operation but made a few mistakes in the last few years in my opinion and that was closing Beach and moving it right next door to Happy building a custom space in an impossible configuration then within a year doing another renovation and just last year closing more renovation combining it with Happy. During that period they also did a renovation on Peppermint, Bacarra and made an addition of the Sake Bar in front of the Happy entrance walkway. I also believe the ST room Oasis belongs to them too. I give them credit for trying to keep things fresh.

Downsizing might be the best thing for them usually during the renovation they move girls to their other clubs so maybe someone favority girl will end up at Bacarra or Happy. I know many of the girls enjoy working for the Happy Group.

Last night,

Walking Street, Wildcats is in fact closed, space where Crazy House located closed now reopened as Pascha, Harem down from Pin Up now closed.

Thanks for the updates LittleBigMan. I can't believe all the changes. I never had much luck in Happy Group places like Peppermint and Happy as the girls seemed to prefer Asian customers. On my last trip that seemed to change for the better. For me at least.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2392411]For those that have visited during the time: how is pattaya the week of Christmas? Have booked 23-27 (been many times before but only between March-October) December. Hotel price wasnt bad at all but how's the crowd during that week? Extreme or do-able? Or does it more so increase after the week of Christmas? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Doable pretty busy. New years Eve is worst make sure you have hotels booked that week.

Shop closures and reopenings thereafter on the same site with little alteration except the name has nothing to do with business conditions more with maximising revenue code opportunities.

Pattaya, day 1.

Touched down at BKK 08:55 on Thanksgiving day after a red-eye flight from the middle east. Customs was snappy, I only had to wait behind 2 people, but the walk to get there from the gate was very long. Thank heavens for moving walkways.

I had arranged for Namm's taxi to drive me to Pattaya. Moonun was standing at the information desk with my name on a sign. She didn't speak very good English so we ended up leaving the airport without a sim card. A friend from work suggested True Move, but I missed them in the airport.

Moonun is an excellent driver. We got to Pattaya about 1:30 minutes, around 11:45 AM. She dropped me at the Honey Lodge and was on her way. Honey Lodge is about 50 meters from the entrance to walking street and the beer pier. I dumped my stuff in the room and went directly to the Beer Garden pier and ate some delicious Chinese food.

Off to Walking Street, scoping it out before night. I went into Simon's bar (Frogs) and started flirting with two of the barkeeps. Tik, 40 and Gom, 53. Tik is as cute as a button. Nothing was going on in the bar so they taught me a dice game, "Jackpot. " It was a lot of fun and a lot of flirting with Tik. We made tentative plans to have her over to the hotel tomorrow.

I was looking for a blow job but none were to be had in Walking Street. I flagged a cab and he took me to a small shop for my sim, then off to Soi 6. About the third bar in on the left from 2nd street was King Kong. A chubby gal with nice knockers in a green uniform named Pinky flagged me over and told me BJs were 800 baht. I payed the bar and she took me to a dark couch in the back and gave me a very soft and tender knobber.

I then continued down Soi 6 towards the beach and found a Sports Bar with some cute women out front. One lady, curly black hair and a striped jump suit came out and brought me in to read the menu. I think her name is Gom? She waited on me, peeled my straw, brought me sodas, and hugged me while I ate. She also did some VERY GFE DFK between bites of my burger. Her English is non-existent, so the mamma san (also a pretty doable woman) translated for us. I told them I definitely want to take Gom for long time but will wait for two nights because I am exhausted tonight and tomorrow I want to do Devil's Den. I am looking forward to some sweet LT GFE from Gom.

I had a beer at the Queen Victoria and enquired about their prices. Good thing, as I was going to need to move soon.

I was feeling randy so I stopped back at the King Kong and got another BBBJ from Pinky. I enquired about FS, there on the couch in the back room, and found it was only another 500 baht so I had a YOLO moment and went for it.

Rode the baht bus back to the hotel, they started bitching at me that even though I paid Orbitz, they don't deal with Orbitz and I have to pay them again. I told them no, packed and left. See my posting in Pattaya Hotel thread for the full story. Moved to the Queen Vic for two days. I booked a total of 4 hotels for this trip through Orbitz. I hope this crap doesn't happen with each one.

I am now in the heart of Soi 6 for my 4 nights in Pattaya. Tomorrow I am going to contact a friend that lives here and have him give me some touristy advice. I need cover photos to send home to the family.

Since I am so tired from the red-eye from Arabia I am hallucinating, I believe I will call it a night. That is really hard to do when I came so far, probably will never get here again, and there is so much poontang in the street just outside my hotel.

Tool Shedd.

The Knobbers from Pinky went for 800 baht each. With the quickie-on-the-couch FS cost of 500 added on. Hindsight, the knobbier were good enough, not that much ROI from the FS. Just kind of a YOLO thing.

Tool Shedd.

Laid around on the beach a lot this morning, got my breakfast blow job (1:00 PM) at Click bar from a honey with a name I couldn't comprehend. IowaHawaiiohio or something sounding like that. BBBJ with her top down, 800 baht, 60 baht beer to drink while she was slobbering away. These women give very nice blowjobs, even if it is just on a couch in the back of a bar with sheets drawn around you for curtains. The up side is I am getting so much sex that it takes me longer to come during a blow job, so I get more money's worth. More bang for the baht, so to speak.

I spent about 3 hours just sitting in front of the Queen Victoria hotel on Soi 6 watching the ladies. During that time a bunch of street vendors came along to sell food, clothing, sexy shoes, all sorts of gee gaws to the ladies. I especially enjoyed watching on high energy lady from Foxy bar, just across the street. She would grab men passing by, block them, dance in the street, tried on many of the shoes the tuk tuk vendor was selling. Watching the ladies pass from boredom to high energy to grabby and all between was an interesting way to spend the afternoon.

I saw something interesting a few times on day 1 and again on day 2. Three or four girls would line up single file and stand with their legs spread apart facing the street. A girl on the street would toss a glass of beer between their legs, then all the girls would cheer and ring a wind chime. No idea what was going on, but it was interesting. Maybe a way to boost their energy and combat boredom.

About 4 PM I went back down to the Sandman Sports bar and grill to see my sweetie. I met her yesterday, she pampered me, fed me and kissed me DFK, very tenderly there in the bar. I spent about an hour sipping a beer and hugging her as she kissed me. I promised to come back tomorrow and take her TLN, even paid the 800 baht bar fine. I am looking forward to some tender GFE.

Made a reservation with Devil's Den for Blu and Amber. Colorful. When I arrived at 7 PM they hadn't gotten my reservation. Blu was there but Amber was off. The staff was very accommodating, paraded the women for me. They have a line on the floor, the girls on the far side of the line do anal, the ones closer don't. I picked Nikki from the anal side. Blu is tall and pretty, Nikki is a little shorter, tattooed and seems to be a little dirty. Good balance between them.

They showered me, washed all my cracks and crevices, and we got to it on the bed. Blu gave a wonderful BBBJ while Nikki DFKd me. They swapped and Nikki gave me a bit of a rough BBBJ. When Nikki put the condom on me, she tried to roll it up and ram it into my groin. Some ladies are pretty rough doing this, and it can be a real boner killer. Had a Blu ride me cowgirl while Nikki sat on my face. Just before I came, Blu slid off of me and it kind of ruined the orgasm. Not her fault, just bad timing. After the finish and some rest, had Blu on my face while Nikki reverse cow girl anal'the me, then cowgirl in pussy to finish. They both made all the right noises and were professional, joked with me, etc. But it seemed a bit mechanical. I also expected a bit more of a luxuorious venue. The place was OK, but the website led me to believe it was a little more plush.

The room had the bed on the floor, which is a problem for me because I can't get up easily without some help. It also makes doggy more difficult for me. They turned on the TV for porn when we went in the room but never pushed the play button on the DVD. That's OK, I didn't want the distraction. The ceiling and two walls had big mirrors, it was interesting the angles you could see the ladies from bouncing the images off two or three of the mirrors.

Damage: 4,500 baht for two women 90 minutes.

WIR: No, it just didn't live up to my expectations.

Met up with Steve and he wanted to visit one of his regular girls in Pink a go go, LK metro, near Devil's Den. We were seated upstairs and the chubby waitress named Pim informed me her birthday was tomorrow. She took our drink orders and asked for one for herself. She was fun and boosted the energy as the party progressed. Two SWTs (Sweet Young Things) named Aon and I think Amee came and bookended me. Another sat with Steve. I started flirting with the two, bought them some drinks and had a great time kissing and feeling, them, wearing their skirts on my head like a turban, and they got totally naked. There was some DATY going on, a lot of DFK, joking and laughing. I was having a ball and so was Steve. After a while we had to break away since we hadn't eaten yet and it was nearly 10. They wanted me to bar fine them, 700 each. I was so tired there was no way. I think if I had met them before I went to Devil's Den I would have had a lot more fun, since we seemed to connect, the three of us.

Steve and I went to eat, then he went to Walking Street to see another lady in a go go. I wandered along Beach road towards Soi 6. Beach road was closed because of the huge fireworks show and street fair. I spent about an hour sitting and watching people, families, couples and chatting with some of the older expats. I finally realized if I didn't get back to the Queen Victoria soon I would be locked out. I was so tired I stumbled up Soi 6, it probably looked like I had a snoot full, but I was just foot-dragging tired.

What a place! I am having a ball but I am about f*ck foundered and I have another week in Thailand to go.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2397745]
I saw something interesting a few times on day 1 and again on day 2. Three or four girls would line up single file and stand with their legs spread apart facing the street. A girl on the street would toss a glass of beer between their legs, then all the girls would cheer and ring a wind chime. No idea what was going on, but it was interesting. Maybe a way to boost their energy and combat boredom.
[/QUOTE]This ritual was very common in Bangkok gogo bars in the old days, normally rolling/throwing a bottle I would have thought (not with any beer in it), as a way of appealing to the spirits that each girl will get fucked by a customer. However I have not seem it for quite some time in Bangkok. I may not remember details 100% correctly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2397939]This ritual was very common in Bangkok gogo bars in the old days, normally rolling/throwing a bottle I would have thought (not with any beer in it), as a way of appealing to the spirits that each girl will get fucked by a customer. However I have not seem it for quite some time in Bangkok. I may not remember details 100% correctly.[/QUOTE]I see girls working in the beer bars on Soi 4 in Nana Plaza, Bangkok, doing some version or another of that ritual at the entrance to their bars quite often in the early evening. If you're not careful or mindful of it, you can get water thrown ON you as you walk past the steps and entrance where they are doing it. But I haven't seen it out front of the go-go bars, though.

Hi guys,

I have been trying to develop my network of FLs when I come to Pattaya on TF app. Most of the girls are quoting St 1500 and LT 3000. Just a few queries:

1. What should be the ideal price. I know it depends on the girl but I am just trying to get average price?

2. Can anyone share their experience from TF FLs please.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2397745]
When Nikki put the condom on me, she tried to roll it up and ram it into my groin. Some ladies are pretty rough doing this, and it can be a real boner killer.
[/QUOTE]That's true. Some really ram it on the dick. Some actually suck it while putting condom on, which can be relatively better for keeping it hard.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2397939]This ritual was very common in Bangkok gogo bars in the old days, normally rolling/throwing a bottle I would have thought (not with any beer in it), as a way of appealing to the spirits that each girl will get fucked by a customer. However I have not seem it for quite some time in Bangkok. I may not remember details 100% correctly.[/QUOTE]I've seen a similar ritual a number of times in different bars on Soi 6. Some of the bar girls would pray, pour some beer from a bottle in wide circle in the street in front of the bar and then some girls might have a sip from that bottle before throwing the rest of it out.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2397939]This ritual was very common in Bangkok gogo bars in the old days, normally rolling/throwing a bottle I would have thought (not with any beer in it), as a way of appealing to the spirits that each girl will get fucked by a customer. However I have not seem it for quite some time in Bangkok. I may not remember details 100% correctly.[/QUOTE]In case I was vague, I meant a line of girls in the bar, one behind the other, legs wide apart. The lead girl takes a bottle and slides it forcefully backwards under her legs and under the legs of all the other girls behind, like a bargirl variation of tunnel ball. Used to be very common in Cowboy bars in the distant past, e. G. Long Gun in its hey day. However I did not see this at all recently.

[QUOTE=TheDarkLord101;2397986]Hi guys,

I have been trying to develop my network of FLs when I come to Pattaya on TF app. Most of the girls are quoting St 1500 and LT 3000. Just a few queries:

1. What should be the ideal price. I know it depends on the girl but I am just trying to get average price?

2. Can anyone share their experience from TF FLs please.[/QUOTE]I contact Ladies on TF I may want to contact on my next trip, I take notes for reminders and I keep the pricing. I would say the A girls are at 1000ST, the AA girls are at 1200, some of the AAA girls are at 1500 to 2000ST. Long time is about ST+50%. I generally ask for a visit to my Jomtien Hotel for these prices. Many times they will say what will you give me? When this occurs, I generally ask 2 hours, 2 shots, 1500 and not been turned down. Pricing late a night can be either high 2000ST or low depending on where the girl is at time of night. I think the young girls are out at the clubs and want to score, others have gone back to their room for this night and can be had for much less (1000) or will stay LT for under 2000 if you speak with them at midnight. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=TheDarkLord101;2397986]Hi guys,

I have been trying to develop my network of FLs when I come to Pattaya on TF app. Most of the girls are quoting St 1500 and LT 3000. Just a few queries:

1. What should be the ideal price. I know it depends on the girl but I am just trying to get average price?

2. Can anyone share their experience from TF FLs please.[/QUOTE]I would say you are wasting your time. Half of those chicks will be nowhere around when you arrive. Thai chicks use that app for I want money today, not I want to build contacts for someone that will come to Thailand in the future.

What constitutes a "semipro" is an old and ongoing topic that finally has been (speaking for myself) put to rest.

[URL]https://stanfordflipside.com/2013/10/study-confirms-that-bitches-as-suspected-aint-shit-but-hoes-and-tricks/[/URL]

It is rare to find such a clear and unequivocal discussion on a topic of this nature.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2398158]I would say you are wasting your time. Half of those chicks will be nowhere around when you arrive. Thai chicks use that app for I want money today, not I want to build contacts for someone that will come to Thailand in the future.[/QUOTE]I've made contact with several via tf. I have meetings set up with a few and anxious to know if you are correct in your analysis.

Will be in Pattaya 16 days starting next week and hope your wrong.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2398158]I would say you are wasting your time. Half of those chicks will be nowhere around when you arrive. Thai chicks use that app for I want money today, not I want to build contacts for someone that will come to Thailand in the future.[/QUOTE]For the most part that is true. However, there is the occasional unicorn. A true amateur looking for a bit of fun and cash to augment their day job income. Over a reasonable time they can be wooed online. This approach yielded a wonderful "holiday wife" my last visit. Lovely manicurist who spoiled me rotten in and out of bed for a week for 2 k baht / day, food & beverage, and one nice gift she picked out at the local mall. It all depends on what you seek: variety or a temporary relationship.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2397939]This ritual was very common in Bangkok gogo bars in the old days, normally rolling/throwing a bottle I would have thought (not with any beer in it), as a way of appealing to the spirits that each girl will get fucked by a customer. However I have not seem it for quite some time in Bangkok. I may not remember details 100% correctly.[/QUOTE]The girl tossing the brew was using a glass, tossed just the beer in a splash under the other ladies. Made a beer slick on the floor, then the ladies would all reach up and rattle the wind chimes. I guess it is like sailors whistling for wind, or other such superstitions and rituals, to get a good outcome for the day's endeavors.

Visit to Pattaya:

1st day. Landed early Sunday morning at Bangkok airport; gt visa on arrival and took bell bus service to Pattaya. Reached Pattaya 11. Check in hotel near central festival. Very nice budget hotel. Took shower and went to a bar for have some drink. Evening sleep as full tired from travelling. Woke up evening and headed to walking street from beach road side. Saw many Thai girls. And some Uzbek girls also. Normally I have never seen uzbek on beach side before (visited 3-4 times already); 4-5 girls standing. Me & my friend after nego. Made 1. 5 K each ST. The girl I took was very beautiful named Ayesha. Went to hotel room and had a super show. She was horny and had a nice time. Her lips were awesome. After the deed needed some rest. So took foot massage for 200 baht. Lady asked for extra which I refused.

2nd day. Too coral island trip. After returning evening. Book Annie through tinder. Cost 2.2 K for 24 hrs. She came around 7 with her friend for me & my friend. We had beer and had a nice time.

3rd day -- took them to coral again. Took bike and rode to some beaches. Had nice time at beach. Came evening. Bid adieu to those girls after have nice time in shower. Went in evening to WS. Went to nashaclub. Club was full packed on that day. Hd some beer and after some time got hold of a sexy lady. Price quoted 4 k. I negotiated it at half and man. What a sexy girl was she. Went to hotel. And had a.

Nice time whole night. After doing the deeds show went to her room at 8 am.

4th day. Rested till noon. Wen to MP. Had body massage and then took extra for BJ at 300 baht. Went to WS for some beer. I texted my friend in Pattaya toon if she is available. She replied yes and ready to come to my place for 2.2 k I said OK and she came at right time 11 pm. Had the deeds. She is sexy and very athletic body. She goes to gym everyday. Next morning we left for Bangkok to take the flight in evening.

Had a great time in Pattaya. It is as it is always for fun. You find girls everywhere. Be at beach road, WS. MP or tinder or line.

No one can have a dull day. All needs to do is go out from hotel and find your prey.

Changed hotels from the Queen Victoria to the Pattaya Discovery Beach hotel. Very nice place. I highly recommend it for price, location, luxury and amenities. Very clean and spacious.

Met up with Steve for the Thanksgiving dinner at Kinneree Men's club. What a nice, laid back place. The girls were great! All in matching bikinis walking around, mingling with the men, they were very pretty and easy on the eyes. Kandy sat down and snuggled up with me. I bought her some drinks, then we went off to the room. Very good sex, anal included. Damage for the lady was 1,000,400 for the room fee. The traditional Thanksgiving meal was turkey, mashed potatoes, mashed turnips, pumpkin pie, cranberry sauce, sweet potatoes and was very good. We hung out there for hours. The women were very friendly and liked to hug us while we bought them drinks. My total bill for about 4 hours entertainment, good sex, a tasty meal and laid-back venue was only 2900 baht. Seemed like a good deal to me. WIR: Hell yes!

At 7 I went back to Sandman's Bar and Grill on Soi 6 and hung out with Kung. I visited her there the last two evenings. Tonight we shot pool with two other ladies and had a lot of fun. One of the staff, a short and chunky lady (Fon), was flirting and hugging with me. Kung fed me, mopped my brow and kissed passionately. I paid her bar fine last night for this night so about 7:30 PM and we left for the hotel. She was a total sweetheart in bed and went out for food after our first round. We fell asleep around 9 and woke up during the fireworks. We woke up again at 4 AM and had another round, then Kung left.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2397745]I finally realized if I didn't get back to the Queen Victoria soon I would be locked out.[/QUOTE]What's that? You can't come and go at all hours? Don't you get a key or something?

[QUOTE=TheDarkLord101;2397986]Hi guys,

I have been trying to develop my network of FLs when I come to Pattaya on TF app. Most of the girls are quoting St 1500 and LT 3000. Just a few queries:

1. What should be the ideal price. I know it depends on the girl but I am just trying to get average price?

2. Can anyone share their experience from TF FLs please.[/QUOTE]You are making a mistake if you are talking with these girls before you arrive. They don't like time wasters and want you to invite them over, it's okay if you are trying to see them the next day but much earlier than that may get you blocked. ST can be negotiated to 1,000 THB if you are careful but these days it's more like 1200, LT is about 2500.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2398513]What's that? You can't come and go at all hours? Don't you get a key or something?[/QUOTE]I was under the impression there was an after hour entrance in the back on Soi 6/1?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2398513]What's that? You can't come and go at all hours? Don't you get a key or something?[/QUOTE]The lobby door closes at 11:30. My room key had a key to a back door on the fire escape that I could use after hours. I did step out there once and looked, but I couldn't see the stairs up to the door. I was SO tired I didn't want to look for it. There is a way in, but I wasn't in any shape to use it.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2398596]The lobby door closes at 11:30. My room key had a key to a back door on the fire escape that I could use after hours. I did step out there once and looked, but I couldn't see the stairs up to the door. I was SO tired I didn't want to look for it. There is a way in, but I wasn't in any shape to use it.[/QUOTE]Good decision if you weren't sure or in any shape to use it, one mistake in the back of Soi 6/1 you might have woke up checking out feet bigger than yours?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2398747]Good decision if you weren't sure or in any shape to use it, one mistake in the back of Soi 6/1 you might have woke up checking out feet bigger than yours?[/QUOTE]I did see more than a few ladyboys on 6/1, more towards the beach road end. I had to jog through there to get from Soi 6 to the Pattaya Discovery Beach hotel when I was staying there after the Queen Vic. This is my first trip to Thailand and I am still quantifying (I. E. Learning to spot) the ladyboys. I haven't had any encounters, but I am pretty sure I haven't identified 50% of them I saw.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2398455][/QUOTE]Just a quick thanks to ToolShedd for some really good entertaining and informative reports.

Attended the Pattaya City Expat Club breakfast and lecture with my wingman Steve, at the Beach Road Holliday Inn. Very interesting. I met some characters there.

Took Steve to Sandman's Bar and Grill on Soi 6, there we were surrounded by Fon, Bam, be. Be. , Nam. Steve took a liking to Bam. She is very hot. We had a lot of fun, it was laid back and a lot of laughter. Kung wasn't there, still sleeping off the hot monkey loving I gave her early that morning.

I was exhausted since I had gotten so much action and had woke up at 4:15 for no reason. I went back to the hotel and tried to lay down but decided I can rest when I am dead. If I keep up this pace, it may be sooner than later. Steve had recommended a good soapy at Honey Bee II, so I went there. See my report on the Pattaya massage board. Great experience, but I was so beat I had a failure to launch, even though Aew was beautiful and worked hard for me.

That left the Telephone booth as one of the last must-see attractions on my Pattaya trip. After a long and confusing taxi trip (the driver was as confused as I was most of the way), I arrived at the red British telephone booth entrance to the bar. It was locked, but the grandmother sitting next to the door pantomimed that I should ring the bell. DUH! Glad she was there to help a monger out. Upon entering the bar I found 4 or 5 women sitting in a gloomy room, the theécor actually reminded me of what you would see in an old Mexican cantina. Mai came up and dropped her top for me to play with her boobies. Of course I returned the favor by buying her a drink. She was a 6. 5 on the looks scale, a little long in the tooth, but was a lot of fun, sticking her tatas in my face and shaking them wildly. She told me BBBJ was 800, I think, and FS was 1,000. No problem making a decision there. We went to the back room, which was only cordoned off by a wood railing, and I got naked on the couch. Mai gave me a good BBBJ, slipped on the raincoat and rode me cowgirl for a few minutes. Whereas I hadn't been able to finish in Honey Bee earlier, since it seemed to nice and perfect, the sleaze factor of being ridden like a bronco in the back room, across from the WC got me off just fine. When I left there were no taxis, so I was persuaded to ride on a moto taxi. Now, I am a big man and being on the back of a little motorcycle with a small man driving was a little nerve wracking. The driver had to shout out to all his friends to show off the big farang on the back! However, we made it across town alive.

My wingman, Steve, suggested we meet for dinner. We got to the Beach Road Hilton just in time to relax over 2 for 1 mojitos and watch one of the most beautiful sunsets I have ever seen.

I was toast, beat, hammered tired. However, Steve convinced me to check out Walking Street. I hadn't been there at night yet. We rode the baht bus down and checked out all the FL along Beach Road. There were a lot, even with the construction going on along the street. Walking Street was a blast! Steve took me into a little go-go bar called Runways with a small stage and about 8 ladies doing the Pattaya shuffle around the poles. He had a particularly well-endowed friend there, and she had a friend for me. Both were topless and sharing their assets with us. Wow, it was hard to drag myself away and go back to Soi 6 area.

I told Steve adios on the baht bus and I went back to Sandman's to see bar fine Bam. Sadly she wasn't there, so I spent an hour or so with Kung. We had a nice, quite goodbye with a lot of kissing, caressing and hugging in the bar. It is hard to leave when someone was that nice and you had such a memorable time with her. Off to bed (alone). Tomorrow I leave Pattaya for Bangkok at noon, riding with Namm's Taxi service again.

Pattaya exceeded my expectations. I hope to come back some day, but since I am usually on a leash, it may never happen.

Tool Shedd.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2399785]Took Steve to Sandman's Bar and Grill on Soi 6, there we were surrounded by Fon, Bam, be. Be. , Nam. Steve took a liking to Bam. She is very hot. We had a lot of fun, it was laid back and a lot of laughter. Kung wasn't there, still sleeping off the hot monkey loving I gave her early that morning.[/QUOTE]Any chance the petite younger one second from the right still works at Sandman? She's pretty decent for a Soi 6 girl.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2399785]Attended the Pattaya City Expat Club breakfast and lecture with my wingman Steve, at the Beach Road Holliday Inn. Very interesting. I met some characters there.

Took Steve to Sandman's Bar and Grill on Soi 6, there we were surrounded by Fon, Bam, be. Be. , Nam. Steve took a liking to Bam. She is very hot. We had a lot of fun, it was laid back and a lot of laughter. Kung wasn't there, still sleeping off the hot monkey loving I gave her early that morning.

I was exhausted since I had gotten so much action and had woke up at 4:15 for no reason. I went back to the hotel and tried to lay down but decided I can rest when I am dead. If I keep up this pace, it may be sooner than later. Steve had recommended a good soapy at Honey Bee II, so I went there. See my report on the Pattaya massage board. Great experience, but I was so beat I had a failure to launch, even though Aew was beautiful and worked hard for me.[/QUOTE]Your Posts are very informative. You virtually take us to Pattaya by your posts. It's good to know that you are having good time in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2398769]I did see more than a few ladyboys on 6/1, more towards the beach road end. I had to jog through there to get from Soi 6 to the Pattaya Discovery Beach hotel when I was staying there after the Queen Vic. This is my first trip to Thailand and I am still quantifying (I. E. Learning to spot) the ladyboys. I haven't had any encounters, but I am pretty sure I haven't identified 50% of them I saw.

Tool Shedd.[/QUOTE]Soi 6/1 is ladyboy soi.

And identifying lbs is not easy, lot of experience mongers fail too sometimes. But the thread on identifying trans is great place to know some tips.

I have seen quite a few Russian bars on walking street, but never went in because of their rep, that they will rip you off and girls will mostly try to scam you etc.

Any experience of those bars? Is drinks price standard, what's the bar fine?

Trying to find the name of the bar on Walking Street where the girls dance nude. Specifically famous for sponsoring auditions as indicated in this post's title. Any help appreciated.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2399797]Any chance the petite younger one second from the right still works at Sandman? She's pretty decent for a Soi 6 girl.[/QUOTE]I don't believe I saw any of those ladies in Sandman's. Has it been a while?

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2400031]I don't believe I saw any of those ladies in Sandman's. Has it been a while?[/QUOTE]Be glad you didn't see 3 of them in the photo. Never been to Sandman. Just a photo that came up when I google'd Sandman since I never noticed that bar on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2399871]I have seen quite a few Russian bars on walking street, but never went in because of their rep, that they will rip you off and girls will mostly try to scam you etc.

Any experience of those bars? Is drinks price standard, what's the bar fine?[/QUOTE]Glutton for punishment? You already know it is a scam, yet you want to go anyway. Have at it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2400042]Glutton for punishment? You already know it is a scam, yet you want to go anyway. Have at it.[/QUOTE]Fare point.

Anyways I went there last night, indeed it is a scam.

Drinks are around 500 b, didn't even ask about lady drinks.

Obviously they tried to push me for personal lap dance. Said no and left.

It reminded me of some strip clubs in Amsterdam I visited recently.

I am really interested to go in ping pong show, but I have heard a lot of news related to scam. As I am solo traveler, I am looking for some safe places where I can see ping pong without being scammed. Also I would like to know about the cost.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=AManHasNoName;2400187]I am really interested to go in ping pong show, but I have heard a lot of news related to scam. As I am solo traveler, I am looking for some safe places where I can see ping pong without being scammed. Also I would like to know about the cost.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cost is price for your drink. I've seen it on occasion in one of the many many gogo bars around town that are never mentioned on here. Nothing special whatsoever. For a simulation ping pong show go to Windmill, xoxo, or Kink upstairs, tip a girl 100 baht, hand her a ping pong ball, she will stick it in her pussy, then shoot it back out in to your beer.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2400138]Anyways I went there last night, indeed it is a scam.[/QUOTE]

Were the girls at least hot? In 4 years I have only seen 1 or 2 hot Russian girl hostesses on Walking Street trying to lead you in to the bar. Most are older or overweight.

[QUOTE=AManHasNoName;2400187]I am really interested to go in ping pong show, but I have heard a lot of news related to scam. As I am solo traveler, I am looking for some safe places where I can see ping pong without being scammed. Also I would like to know about the cost.[/QUOTE]Whenever I see those guys in Walking Street I wonder what place they are taking people to. I never have time to have a look see. Nothing beats the old X-Zone though. Tomjackin turned me on to that place and I was hooked. That was the only gogo that I ever cared to visit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2400304]Cost is price for your drink. I've seen it on occasion in one of the many many gogo bars around town that are never mentioned on here. Nothing special whatsoever. For a simulation ping pong show go to Windmill, xoxo, or Kink upstairs, tip a girl 100 baht, hand her a ping pong ball, she will stick it in her pussy, then shoot it back out in to your beer.

[/QUOTE]Haha certainly not my thing, but thanks for tip. For me seeing ping pong show is one-time experience, or if friends are in town, then I go to suzie wong at cowboy in bkk. Ping pong shows don't do any stimulation for me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2400304]

Were the girls at least hot? In 4 years I have only seen 1 or 2 hot Russian girl hostesses on Walking Street trying to lead you in to the bar. Most are older or overweight.[/QUOTE]They looked just fine. But some were with heavy makeup, and those padded bras. The russian bars were empty on walking street. But russians in nightclubs are much better. Took one from Mixx last night around 1 am for 5000 b.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2400304]Kink upstairs, tip a girl 100 baht, hand her a ping pong ball, she will stick it in her pussy, then shoot it back out in to your beer.[/QUOTE]At Kink, there's an older lady, ex-Windmill, I think, who shoots ice cubes out of her puss. LOL.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2400385]Haha certainly not my thing, but thanks for tip. For me seeing ping pong show is one-time experience, or if friends are in town, then I go to suzie wong at cowboy in bkk. Ping pong shows don't do any stimulation for me.

They looked just fine. But some were with heavy makeup, and those padded bras. The russian bars were empty on walking street. But russians in nightclubs are much better. Took one from Mixx last night around 1 am for 5000 b.[/QUOTE]Real Russian / Ukr / Belarus or Uzbek / Turk? The only thing in BKK is Uzbek girls right now. I'm thinking of rolling out to Pattaya next weekend, I hear its dead and its a buyers market for Americans.

[QUOTE=Franga;2343978]I went to that Nuru massage place on Soi Lengkee as reported by Mr E a few months ago. Took the shortest time session available which was 45 minutes for 1500 baht (HJ and BJ included, no boom boom). Chose Mayya as the masseuse, a bit old but as I found out in the room had amazing hangers that were not obvious behind her kimono uniform when I selected her.

Shower first then onto the bed for the body slide massage with gel from Japan. First the back then the front. HJ finish for me as I declined the BJ due to health reasons. Overall the body to body massage seemed to last about 20 minutes. Shower off to finish.

Overall a good experience but it wasn't overly erotic, as it is mainly tits sliding all over your body rather than much cock and ball stimulation.

I think this place is called Yuwarit massage or something like that, but there is a big NURU sign on the road in front too. There are longer sessions available and you can also get two chicks at once. I will probably give this place another try again sometime as it was pretty fun.[/QUOTE]After reading the above report I thought I would give Nuru Massage (I did not see any other name) a try. The lady behind the desk showed me the card of options (see Me. E photos in his post) and said they were doing a special with 2 girls for the 70 minute 2000 bhat deal and but when I picked two girls they said that was not the deal and that there was a "big" suprise at 40 minutes instead of two girls the whole massage. I decided to roll with it and picked a slightly chubby girl from the lineup since the others did not look too interested.

I waited on the couch as she prepared the room and finally she led me up four flights of steps to the room. I expected a mat on the floor arrangement similar to the Chrome Bar in Bangkok but instead a bed with sheets and and and a towel to lie upon. The mattress was covered with plastic liner that reminded me of a baby's crib as it crinkled. Anyway a little different for a nuru at least for me.

We both got undressed and the robe hid the fact she was a little heavier than I thought but not real bad. We had a shower together with a little BBBJ in the shower to get things started and then off to the bed for the nuru massage. Was nothing special and not really erotic but the hot nuru lube felt good. On the flip the HJ and BBBJ started and she did a pretty good job of things. I kept wondering what the big surprise was going to be and was hoping for the second thinner girl I had picked from the lineup.

At about the 40 minute mark the I heard another girl enter the room and got ready for my big surprise and big she was. The girl must have weighed in excess of 175 pounds with a big belly and small tits for a girl her size. She pored nuru all over herself and started to give me body to body while the other girl worked down below. I played with the big girls pussy which was a little hard to find in the multiple layers.

Anyway I was able to complete my part of the massage and the big surprise cleaned me up while the other girl changed the bed and the room.

If you stop by the Nuru Massage maybe just pick the 1500 option and forgo the "Big Surprise" for an extra 500 bhat. I would not repeat here but plan on going to Doki Doki or Chrome Bar in Bangkok to see if I can get a little better nuru experience.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2400759]Real Russian / Ukr / Belarus or Uzbek / Turk? The only thing in BKK is Uzbek girls right now. I'm thinking of rolling out to Pattaya next weekend, I hear its dead and its a buyers market for Americans.[/QUOTE]Uzbeks, all the girls I talked to were uzbeks. Heard there are Turks too, but didn't met any.

I can't say it's dead, it is full of doable girls.

I don't know about americans, I mostly saw asians and russians on walking street.

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[QUOTE=Aviator12;2401233]I go to Pattaya regularly and of course notice that the influx of Indian men is quite overwhelming. It is expected that Indian visitors will increase in the coming years. I am afraid this will have a bad effect on the place. The vibe around these guys are not good. For several reason as stated many times also on this forum. Personally I have met Indian business-men that is actually very likeable and act like gentlemen. They dress nice, appear clean and well behaved. But I can not get my head around the behaviour of the Indian "wolf packs" in Pattaya. Why do they always hunt in groups? Why they hold hands like they were gay? Why always haggle about the price, even it is said the men are generally from middle- to upper class Indians (poor classes in India can not afford to travel anywhere). Maybe someone born in India can actually tell us what this is all about? There is a horrible rape-culture in India, but I won't go into that. I can not belive those going on a holiday to Thailand really hold such attitudes, but who knows. I have never been to India, so I am quite ignorant about the whole culture. I just scratch my head on the strange behaviour these men show when they visit Thailand.[/QUOTE]I'm not Indian but will take a stab at this. I made my first trip to India many years ago. I arrived at Mumbai airport at around 9. 00 pm and had a flight to another city the early afternoon of the following day. I looked for an information booth and found one that was open. I went up to the young man and asked for information on a nearby hotel and transport. He thumbed through a booklet that had pictures and info on hotels which I looked at with him and I selected one. He then told me I had to pay him there and then for the hotel and transport (I must have looked like a fool to him). I said ok and asked to see the hotel information again which I wrote down. I then asked him where I'd have to go to get the taxi after I pay him and he directed me. I then thanked him and walked off in that direction I kept hearing "Sir...sir... sir" after I walked off. My take from my experience in India is that Indians will try anything to make money or spend as little as possible for something.

Indian women are very conservative and generally want to wait until they are married before having sex. There is generally no bar or club scene in India where men can pick up women hence the rape culture. As Indian men become more financially independent they will become more and more able to foot the cost of air travel to Thailand and their numbers will eventually grow to exceed those of other tourists.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2401233]But I can not get my head around the behaviour of the Indian "wolf packs" in Pattaya. Why do they always hunt in groups? Why they hold hands like they were gay? Why always haggle about the price, even it is said the men are generally from middle- to upper class Indians (poor classes in India can not afford to travel anywhere).[/QUOTE]I am not from India, but I have explained this before. It is all about culture. Indian men and women can not comingle. At 3 am in Mumbai you will see roving packs of guys just hanging out. Then across the way you will see a group of women. This is how they are raised. They are not going to arrive in another country then all of a sudden be different. Thai chicks tell me that all European men want to do is get drunk and watch football. Why is that? Why do Westerners get to Thailand and want to tongue kiss? Thais sniff kiss.

I am American and I am not lower class, but I always haggle about the price as well in countries where haggling is a part of the culture. Maybe you are used to going in a shopping mall where there is a price tag handed down from corporate and you must pay that price. Why would I not haggle when buying in a market or renting some pussy? In that type of environment paying the first price given is for suckers.

If you go to Mike's shopping and buy a shirt they will tell you 400 baht. I am a haggler and always get those shirts for 200 baht. I don't even have to haggle anymore because they know that I know how much to pay.

Once I bought some toys from a street vendor. Whatever he was selling them for he had the price on a piece of cardboard for suckers. When I started haggling he turned the cardboard over to the other side where he had the price written as damn near half of what it was on the initial side. He started smiling and said shhhhh. That is the same shit that I say about Soi 6. Some guys will go down and get the cheaper price by haggling. Others just pay the first price they are told. At BKK I go upstairs and haggle and get the taxi for 900 baht. Many guys here report taking taxis to Pattaya for 1500 baht. What are they getting for the extra 600 baht that I am not getting? Phuket we wanted to go on a tour that was listed as 1200 baht per person. Haggled with the lady and got the tour for 900 baht. Paying another 300 baht would not have gotten me anything extra.

I remember going into a convenience store in Sydney and a bottle of water rang up for $4 when I went to the register. I told the guy I was not about to pay $4 for some water. He punched into the register and said okay, $2.50.

Even when I bought my house in the States they asked me how much I wanted to put down. I said zero So zero it was. Same thing when I bought my car. Meanwhile I hear people saying you have to put 20% or whatever down. No you don't. You just have to open your mouth. Why pay more when you can pay less by uttering a few words? Don't let your ego get in the way of getting a good deal.

I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.

[QUOTE=XXL;2401509]I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of fake stuff out there, along with shakedown scams run by BIB in cahoots with some pharmacies in town recently. Street purchases were always a hit and miss risk and I've fallen for them a few times, but I don't buy 50 sachets on the street any more. I paid a similar price to a pharmacy on Soi Buakhao back in August.

First link below shows some fakes. Second is info paper from NCBI. More on the web too to identify clear fakes. But easy peasy for the scammers to get away with it.

What is in the fake stuff though? There is no doubt it does something, facial flushing is evident for instance. Maybe strychnine or something.
A study from Hong Kong showed fake Viagra contained all or some of the following: talcum powder, commercial paint, printer ink, drywall, amphetamines, diabetes drugs, even a powerful antibacterial medication called metronidazole (which reacts badly with alcohol btw).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICsnKPGnzX4[/URL]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5313300/

[QUOTE=XXL;2401509]I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets.[/QUOTE]I paid 800 baht for 40 Kamagra tablets off a 2nd Rd itinerant vendor. This works out to be 80 baht per 4-tab pack. Looks like you are paying 200 baht per pack, which is what I used to pay in one of the pharmacies on 2nd Rd until I realised they were ripping me off.

XXL, your jelly may be real but who knows how long it's been with that street vendor in up to 45 Celsius weather. I'm guessing it's supposed to be kept at room temperature, not outside in Thailand day in, day out. Certainly that has to affect its magical powers.

[QUOTE=XXL;2401509]I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.[/QUOTE]I've had this happen to me too. Bought a box in BKK a couple of years ago, got massive headaches and no boner! Just not worth the risk. Also alarmed at the follow up post to see what the ingredients might be. Better buying from a pharmacy, paying a bit more but ensuring you get the real deal.

Whilst on the topic of ED / enhancers, not identical but related. I've read online that it is illegal to bring poppers into Thailand. Is that right? Don't want to even risk doing anything that could land me in trouble but I do like poppers. Lots of confusing stuff on the net saying they are banned / illegal, and other sites and guys saying never had a problem even when cases searched and bottles have been openly on display in toiletry bags. Does anyone know the real answer? And are they on sale too in the streets / sex shops? If yes are they fake too?

Had a friend come back from Pattaya a few weeks ago and some of the hotties in Palace were saying that the bar fine was 2000 and girl was 3000. Any one know if this is true? Headed down there tomorrow. Thanks.

[QUOTE=XXL;2401509]I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.[/QUOTE]Some years ago I found fake kamagra jelly twice in 2 different pharmacy on soi buakhao. Bought 3/4 kamagra jelly boxes from street vendors in BKK and PTY and always fine. So need to be always careful.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2401915]Some years ago I found fake kamagra jelly twice in 2 different pharmacy on soi buakhao. Bought 3/4 kamagra jelly boxes from street vendors in BKK and PTY and always fine. So need to be always careful.[/QUOTE]What did the jelly taste like? I bought 2 doses of another jelly some two weeks ago and the jelly had a definite acrid taste of crushed sildenafil tablets. However this one I'm complaining about has no such unpleasant taste.

[QUOTE=XXL;2401932]What did the jelly taste like? I bought 2 doses of another jelly some two weeks ago and the jelly had a definite acrid taste of crushed sildenafil tablets. However this one I'm complaining about has no such unpleasant taste.[/QUOTE]I haven't even tried it. When I opened the sachet the jelly was completely different, opened many sachets in the box and all looked very bad. I didn't dare try it and I threw the whole box in the trash.

[QUOTE=Samson6208;2401854]Had a friend come back from Pattaya a few weeks ago and some of the hotties in Palace were saying that the bar fine was 2000 and girl was 3000. Any one know if this is true? Headed down there tomorrow. Thanks.[/QUOTE]For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.

[QUOTE=Lorus;2402020]For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.[/QUOTE]Wow! With current exchange rates it is actually cheaper in Europe now!

[QUOTE=XXL;2401509]I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" (Kamagra) doses... I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label.[/QUOTE]Says "Store below 30 see" right there on the pack. The street vendor has certainly not done that. Might be either a fake or simply old expired stock. I think the likelihood of fakes is higher when buying a "genuine" Viagra at a high price (from a dodgy pharmacy), since they have an incentive to make it look good. Cheap stuff is more likely to be simply inconsistent.

There's a Thai-made generic, Sidegra for 100 baht 4 x50 MG and 180 baht 4 x100 MG. It almost certainly won't be a fake since it's domestically produced and so cheap that fakes wouldn't be profitable. I've been using it for years, and it works well. Perhaps 1 in 10 tablets appears not to do as much as I expect, but perhaps it's me (taking it improperly with food, taking too long etc).

I don't see the appeal of a jelly, it tastes awful, and unlike the pill, you can't swallow it. Maybe it's better for micro-dosing (easier to get, say 1/4 or 1/3 of a pack), if that's your thing. However, active ingredient is not evenly spread, so when you split a pill or a jelly pack, you don't know how much you're getting.

I never bought my Vitamins off the street no matter how cheap they were or how "reliable" (LOL) the street vendor. I think buying MEDICINE off the street is INSANE. Instead I always purchased large quantities without a prescription in national brand name pharmacies like Guardian in Jakarta and Mercury in Manila. In BKK no such luck in the brand name joints, so I used to purchase smaller quantities at the now deceased Charoen pharmacy near Soi 4. Charoen was always reliable, but I always insisted on at least 1 year remaining to the expiration date before making my purchase with them. But all that has changed since generic Viagra (Sildenafil) is now available with a prescription in the USA: I no longer purchase the product in Asia.

Currently I am paying around $1. 00 per 100 MG pill and of course the pills are 100% effective, factory fresh & up to date, and stored in temperature controlled environment. These generics are made in Israel and I get no headaches from them. Go figure. So next trip, just like my last trip, I will be armed with 2 bottles of 100 MG Sildenafil each bottle containing 40 pills, all legal with my name, the name of my doctor, and my prescription # printed on the label. That should be enough ammunition to last me through my 11 week trip, 555, but if I run out it will probably be in Jakarta, so I will just pop into a Guardian Pharmacy and buy a couple of boxes. This is a real Game Changer!

[QUOTE=Lorus;2402020]For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.[/QUOTE]How hot are these girls? Anyone here who had been to Nataree when they were in business who has recently been to Palace? How do the girls compare?

My limited experience with Sidegra is that it works slightly less well than the dark green Kamagra tablets sold in packs of four. I've bought the latter in the street from different peddlers and never had a pack that was a dud.

Plus, I can easily break the Kamagras in roughly equal bits with my fingers.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2401233]I go to Pattaya regularly and of course notice that the influx of Indian men is quite overwhelming. It is expected that Indian visitors will increase in the coming years. I am afraid this will have a bad effect on the place. The vibe around these guys are not good. For several reason as stated many times also on this forum. Personally I have met Indian business-men that is actually very likeable and act like gentlemen. They dress nice, appear clean and well behaved. But I can not get my head around the behaviour of the Indian "wolf packs" in Pattaya. Why do they always hunt in groups? Why they hold hands like they were gay? Why always haggle about the price, even it is said the men are generally from middle- to upper class Indians (poor classes in India can not afford to travel anywhere). Maybe someone born in India can actually tell us what this is all about? There is a horrible rape-culture in India, but I won't go into that. I can not belive those going on a holiday to Thailand really hold such attitudes, but who knows. I have never been to India, so I am quite ignorant about the whole culture. I just scratch my head on the strange behaviour these men show when they visit Thailand.[/QUOTE]Oh are we back to Indian bashing again? Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Hahaha. Why are you so concerned with what others are doing? What's it to you if they all hold hands? Let the girls deal with the wolf packs. They are highly experienced and know how to deal with them. It's not your concern.

Yes you are very ignorant about Indian culture as you rightly say, so there's definitely no need to raise the subject of rape culture. It's an unnecessary comment in this context. Let Thai LE deal with it if there's a problem.

Perhaps just focus on your own pussy hunting and stop making an issue out of nothing. It's not adding any value.

While you are scratching your head and the fat white fucks are getting drunk each night, those Indians are doing very nicely and getting all the poontang. Can't see too many Thai chicks complaining.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2403584]Oh are we back to Indian bashing again? Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Hahaha. Why are you so concerned with what others are doing? What's it to you if they all hold hands? Let the girls deal with the wolf packs. They are highly experienced and know how to deal with them. It's not your concern.

Yes you are very ignorant about Indian culture as you rightly say, so there's definitely no need to raise the subject of rape culture. It's an unnecessary comment in this context. Let Thai LE deal with it if there's a problem.

Perhaps just focus on your own pussy hunting and stop making an issue out of nothing. It's not adding any value.

While you are scratching your head and the fat white fucks are getting drunk each night, those Indians are doing very nicely and getting all the poontang. Can't see too many Thai chicks complaining.[/QUOTE]I agree with you mostly, focus on what you are doing and live and let live. Please don't complain about stereotyping and then call all white people fat drunks. Thai girls who prefer western men do complain about Indians as I am sure Thai chicks who go with Indians probably complain about white guys.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2403744]I agree with you mostly, focus on what you are doing and live and let live. Please don't complain about stereotyping and then call all white people fat drunks. Thai girls who prefer western men do complain about Indians as I am sure Thai chicks who go with Indians probably complain about white guys.[/QUOTE]Good point. Maybe you are a slim muscly guy who drinks Coke Zero. Most guys who come from rich White Man Land are obese.

Girls always tell you what you want to hear. Very true.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2403770]Good point. Maybe you are a slim muscly guy who drinks Coke Zero. Most guys who come from rich White Man Land are obese.

Girls always tell you what you want to hear. Very true.[/QUOTE]Really? Almost all of my white man land friends who live here are slim trim and in shape. That includes dudes of all ages.

There are stereotypes and racism almost daily on this board. Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks. The term 'Jap' is actually an ethnic slur but guys here use it all the time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2403822]Really? Almost all of my white man land friends who live here are slim trim and in shape. That includes dudes of all ages.[/QUOTE]You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2403837]You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.[/QUOTE]I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am. The human detritus can be overwhelming.

You're right, I don't go to Pattaya often. Bangkok does have a better class of expat overall.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2403837]There are stereotypes and racism almost daily on this board. Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks. The term 'Jap' is actually an ethnic slur but guys here use it all the time.

You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.[/QUOTE]Thanks for pointing that out! Being an Asian when I came on this board which was a long long time ago. Yes everyone has stereotypes and generalization and that includes Indians. I find it funny Indians get upset about the generalization but haven't seen one step up to defend anyone else, especially like the 'term Jap", is used and often on this board.

Preaching Morality and Ethics to a Big Group of Mongers, LMAO!! One must have a thick skin here. LOL.

[QUOTE=Lorus;2402020]For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.[/QUOTE]Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2403917]I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am.....[/QUOTE]They can't afford the girls anymore but they can still afford the beer.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2403917]I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am. The human detritus can be overwhelming.

You're right, I don't go to Pattaya often. Bangkok does have a better class of expat overall.[/QUOTE]Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. You see a lot of that in AC too. But I have learned to tune it out. That is the secret to getting by & enjoying Pattaya, the pearl of the gulf of Siam.

[QUOTE=ScottHall;2403980]Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?[/QUOTE]The question that I answered was about the prices in Palace Agogo, which is one of the most expensive places in Pattaya to visit if you want to barfine ladies. There are many other Agogo's, beer bars, Coconut bar, dating app's etc where you can find ladies at much lower prices.

[QUOTE=ScottHall;2403980]Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?[/QUOTE]Those are gogo bar establishment prices. Pricing does that when there are middlemen to be paid. You can find the same girls on their time off or freelancers for much less.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2403837]Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks.[/QUOTE]Guys,

Did not make up that stereotype? That originated from the girls. I've had multiple girls tell me that about Asians and they laugh and say "it's true".

Unfortunately, it's also true about me, but that's another story.

I don't consider it to be derogatory in any way. Just the truth.

[QUOTE=Lorus;2404032]There are many other Agogo's, <snip> where you can find ladies at much lower prices.[/QUOTE]Which Pattaya gogo bars have cheaper rates for girls than Palace? Maybe I'm ignorant because I thought Pattaya gogo bar rates for ST and LT were pretty standard.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2404005]Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. You see a lot of that in AC too. But I have learned to tune it out. That is the secret to getting by & enjoying Pattaya, the pearl of the gulf of Siam.[/QUOTE]I simply cannot ignore it. Back in the day, 15 years or so ago, when Pattaya was less developed, it was easy to ignore during low season because the town was empty. Loved it. Now, not only do you have the old drunks, but it's just plain crowded all the time.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2404005]Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. [/QUOTE]That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404215]That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.[/QUOTE]It's easy to ignore these guys. Just rent a bike and don't walk.

It's the best way to ignore most of the annoying stuff in Pattaya but then you have to deal with the Thai drivers and traffic police.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404215]That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.[/QUOTE]That's the place. Really the bottom of the barrel there.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404123]Which Pattaya gogo bars have cheaper rates for girls than Palace? Maybe I'm ignorant because I thought Pattaya gogo bar rates for ST and LT were pretty standard.[/QUOTE]From the top of my head I can name some Pattaya gogo bars where I have paid less than the ST&LT rates mentioned in that original post, E. G. Sapphire, Lighthouse, Bliss, Beach Club, Happy, Electric Blue, Dollhouse and Crazy House. Though, in E. G. Palace Agogo I have been paying 3000 baht for ST.

[QUOTE=XXL;2403992]They can't afford the girls anymore but they can still afford the beer.[/QUOTE]Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2404426]Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory![/QUOTE]Age caught up with them. That is all and how do you all know they don't have money to spend? What if they like drinking whole day? Not just morning? What if one of them was a millionaire and is tired of all that pussy and just relaxing? What if he had lost his better half and is just pushing time?

We are despising Indians in Group and aged white men too now? We all may not stay young forever.

OS.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2404426]Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory![/QUOTE]20 years ago Pattaya was excellent, and so was the rest of SEA. I'm glad I have not clouded my memories with booze.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2404256]It's easy to ignore these guys.[/QUOTE]There's Drunk ole guys in Pattaya?! I hear there's a Beach too! What others do, is None of My Bin-ness. All I see are yummy Thai babes. LOL.

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?

Thanks,

JB.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2404478]Hello:

I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?

Thanks,

JB.[/QUOTE]Easier to find them in PI. Especially low season.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2404478]I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?[/QUOTE]I really have not seen pregnant Thai chicks out hoeing as you may see in other countries. Every now and then there are reports here of one being on Beach Road though.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2404427]Age caught up with them. That is all and how do you all know they don't have money to spend? What if they like drinking whole day? Not just morning? What if one of them was a millionaire and is tired of all that pussy and just relaxing? What if he had lost his better half and is just pushing time?

We are despising Indians in Group and aged white men too now? We all may not stay young forever.

OS.[/QUOTE]I'm not young; far from it. But I'm not sitting in a bar at 8 am, unkempt, smelling, drinking the cheapest local swill I can find, and looking like I've been pulled out of a cat's ass. It's not a club I want to be in nor one I want to have my senses subjected to. One of the main reasons I never liked AC.

Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.

Now I can go to Villa Market then bring my groceries and toilet paper in to a gogo bar at Avenue Plaza.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2401277]

I am American and I am not lower class, but I always haggle about the price as well in countries where haggling is a part of the culture.....Why would I not haggle when buying in a market or renting some pussy? In that type of environment paying the first price given is for suckers.....Once I bought some toys from a street vendor. Whatever he was selling them for he had the price on a piece of cardboard for suckers. When I started haggling he turned the cardboard over to the other side where he had the price written as damn near half of what it was on the initial side. He started smiling and said shhhhh. That is the same shit that I say about Soi 6..... Why pay more when you can pay less by uttering a few words? Don't let your ego get in the way of getting a good deal.[/QUOTE]

I am an American too, and I do not haggle. Please rest assured that I am NOT trying to increase prices for my fellow mongerers.

I do not haggle for a few reasons. First, I earn at least 200 - 300 times more money than the street vendor. It's bad karma to fleece the poor. Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service. I will say that I have often asked for a lower price when accepting an absurdly high price would make me look exceedingly foolish; foolish guys, like cheap ones, also get bad service. Under these circumstances, if a reasonable reduction is not immediately and happily forthcoming, I walk away.

[QUOTE=Forest;2404850]Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service.[/QUOTE]This is a ridiculous argument. I haggle all the time and next to never receive crappy service. Can you tell about a time that you haggled and received crappy service? Can you tell about a time that you did not haggle and received crappy service? How do you know that it was the haggling (and not something else) that led to the crappy service? There is absolutely no way to conclude this unless the girl told you straight up the reason she gave you crappy service is because you haggled.

When I get a taxi at BKK airport I go upstairs and haggle with the guys for 900 baht. I never receive crappy service. Unless the guys paying 1500 baht are receiving massages and being fed grapes by hand, as far as I know it is the same ride they are getting.

Just because someone provides a service does not mean they are great at providing the service whether you haggle with them or not. I ended up taking one shop that worked on my motorcycle to court because of crappy service. It took them 7 months to do a job they told me it would take 1 month to do. They lost parts to my bike. They did not replace all the bolts to my bike. My bike was still not running right when they returned it to me and I had to pay another shop $600 to do it right after I had already paid them $1800. I did not haggle with them. I paid the price they told me. So what was their excuse for providing crappy service?

And dare I mention FL Hawk's report when he got the girl from the Walking Street gogo spending about 10,000 baht just to receive crappy service. What is the excuse for that? Meanwhile I have haggled for 1000 baht with the same chicks that charge exorbitant fees in these gogo bars and received excellent service.

Haggling means shit toward the service you get. You can get great service for free and you can get shitty service even if you pay the $1,000,000 original asking price.

[QUOTE=Forest;2404850]I am an American too, and I do not haggle. Please rest assured that I am NOT trying to increase prices for my fellow mongerers.

I do not haggle for a few reasons. First, I earn at least 200 - 300 times more money than the street vendor. It's bad karma to fleece the poor. Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service. I will say that I have often asked for a lower price when accepting an absurdly high price would make me look exceedingly foolish; foolish guys, like cheap ones, also get bad service. Under these circumstances, if a reasonable reduction is not immediately and happily forthcoming, I walk away.[/QUOTE]I always haggle, never tip, and have gotten great service from p4 p gals for over 20 years as a resident of LOS. It makes no difference what "we" make, it's all about the local economy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404820]Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]They need to hire more girls. All their clubs and bars are insufficiently staffed.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2405060]They need to hire more girls. All their clubs and bars are insufficiently staffed.[/QUOTE]How many of their bars have you gone to? I only visited Bachelor gogo in LK Metro. Used to visit often and found some nice hidden gems there but can also be a horror show. No big deal it's free to walk in and out. Girl to guy ratio was always good at Bachelor since usually only had less than 5 guys. It was also a fairly dirty bar no one reviews on here. Pear used to work there before too luring customers in to the bar until Kink stole her away.

edit - I may have gone in to Baku Soi 6 too for some shade one day.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404820]Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.

Now I can go to Villa Market then bring my groceries and toilet paper in to a gogo bar at Avenue Plaza.[/QUOTE]Avenue Plaza as in Nana Plaza style set up?

Where will they get decent looking girls from to work at these places?

Pattaya is already overflowing with a lot of gogo bars that are lucky to have five people in them.

Or maybe some existing gogo bars will relocate??

Catering particularly to Indian clientele is a good idea as according to reports and TAT data they are the number one tourists who have the money.

I wish them luck.

What an idiot! Don't be this fool. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk[/URL].

He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.

Watched the video. I responded in Thailand Lounge and Chat since it is not Pattaya specific.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2404820]Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. Just noticed the opening date.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2405353]What an idiot! Don't be this fool. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk[/URL].

He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call that guy a fool at all. A Loser yes, but not a fool. He is still with that Thai girl years later and living in an apartment in the USA with her. He still has basically no money to his name and he never did pay any dowry. And the kicker is that Thai girl is still very good to him. He won all the way around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2405076]How many of their bars have you gone to?[/QUOTE]I think all of them. LOL Club Baku was good when it opened, but now has less girls. Baku Lounge had girls at the previous location. Went to the new location when after they moved in, and had 2 girls. Supposedly they got more now, I'll have to go by it again. The two Baku bars on Soi 6 are constantly dead. Only the New one was Hopping on it's opening day, but its been dead since then. Common problem: not enough girls. Out of all of them, I like Club Baku. I'll keep going back there at least for one beer.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2405353]What an idiot! Don't be this fool. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk[/URL].

He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.[/QUOTE]He isn't actually. It's all for show.

They are extremely happy and lovely couple right now. If you follow the 90 day fiance scene you would know. They are hilarious together and actually in love.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2405086]Avenue Plaza as in Nana Plaza style set up?

Where will they get decent looking girls from to work at these places?

Pattaya is already overflowing with a lot of gogo bars that are lucky to have five people in them.

Or maybe some existing gogo bars will relocate??

Catering particularly to Indian clientele is a good idea as according to reports and TAT data they are the number one tourists who have the money.

I wish them luck.[/QUOTE]It should be noted the new landlord group is Baku (Indian Billionaire) he basically made an offer to the Thai owners who built and run the Avenue for 9 years. The Thai owners had the money to built but since day one had problems filling and keeping tenants it must have been one big headache with Tenants constantly coming and going. Baku makes a great offer to run the Avenue now the Thai owners just sit back and collect the rent from Baku.

Baku being the new landlord couldn't care less directly whether bars or gogo find enough girls that is directly the renter problem although it would benefit him greatly that all business runs in the black. To fill the Avenue he is taking less rent rumor like half of what bars and gogos are paying to top that off he isn't asking for key money upfront to rent that is of major importance to anyone wanting to rent in Pattaya especially in areas like WS and LK.

I just had dinner last night at the new location for Tequila Reef in Welcome town. The TR use to be on Soi 7, for twenty plus years. I was told their lease was for 3 years each renewal just to have the privilege of leasing they had to lay out 3 million baht never return that doesn't include the rent each month. A beer bar I was told went for something like 50,000 baht each month and it also included key money. There is a hair salon between 7-8 closer to Beach Road, a shack pay 50,000 baht a month and another 10,000 baht for electricity and water. Regardless of the area 7-8 business closing the Thai landowner family has no intention of lowering rent in fact it seems as we say all the time when times are bad to raise the prices which is why TR decided to leave.

Whether Baku can make the Avenue successful I'm thankful that there are more options because what isn't going to change is places opening and closing. Many of the BB, Nightwish group? Even rumor the reason why the Happy group closed Peppermint a possible move to get in first. Rent is half with no key money! Smart move so far?

As for Baku, so call Gentlemens clubs opening all over the place same as the Nightwish group I've been to the majority of them once they are all the same not a lot of customers reason why not enough girls you lay on your back and spread your legs to make money and that requires customer they are daytime places mostly reason pretty much empty at night. Every time I go in for the first time they think I'm police.

Enjoy, Merry Christmas Happy New Year! You know what they say. Next year same shit different day!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2405607]I wouldn't call that guy a fool at all. A Loser yes, but not a fool. He is still with that Thai girl years later and living in an apartment in the USA with her. He still has basically no money to his name and he never did pay any dowry. And the kicker is that Thai girl is still very good to him. He won all the way around.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2405733]He isn't actually. It's all for show. They are extremely happy and lovely couple right now. If you follow the 90 day fiance scene you would know. They are hilarious together and actually in love.[/QUOTE]Yeah, your right, I don't follow bullshit "reality TV", cause I can't stomach it. I have never seen such stupid shit in my life. Has the world gone mad? Our heroes cured diseases, died for world peace, and changed society for good of man. Now am supposed to hang on to yet another dumbass that too stupid to know you don't buy Thai Kunt demanding a dowry for the family. Another example of people airing there laundry on social media and TV. I guess I'm the "old dude" in the room that won't change. I just want a good shag for not too much money and the world aint got to know about it. I just posted this dude for the obvious newb to beware for the Thai dollardigger. If their happy, its only for TV. The TV show prolly paid for all their shit, and once the cameras are gone, she will be gone to the first cute boy that make a move on her with her new green card.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2404052]Those are gogo bar establishment prices. Pricing does that when there are middlemen to be paid. You can find the same girls on their time off or freelancers for much less.[/QUOTE]I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?

[QUOTE=ScottHall;2405962]I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?[/QUOTE]None of us enjoy flying half way around the world unless we're in business class in a lay flat bed. I can advise you if you think 100 USD is a lot to pick up a top girl in Bangkok or Pattaya then you're likely better off not coming to Thailand if you're looking for top looking girls. Not all of us have the skill set that someone like Mr. E has to pick up top Pattaya girls for 700 baht. Expats like Mr. E and I also have time to our advantage as we can wait a girl's 10 day work rotation to end and see the girl on a day off, saving the barfine. I'm not saying that you would be unable to find a top looking girl in Thailand for 3000 baht but you're going to have to do some searching.

As you likely already read a top looking gogo girl in Pattaya from a bar like Palace or Sensations could run you 7000 baht ST including barfine and a few rounds of drinks. Add 2000 more if you want LT. Of course if you want run of the mill gogo girls you can still find them within your budget, on Soi 6, G clubs, massage joints, etc in Pattaya. But did you really dread flying across the world to look for mediocre looking girls?

Thailand is by far not the cheapest place to monger based on girl prices and hotels. If you want cheaper options, consider Jakarta, Phnom Penh, Angeles City, and Laos.

[QUOTE=ScottHall;2405962]I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?[/QUOTE]In a nutshell, no it isn't worth it unless you have a specific fetish for Thai women. As Banana Boi stated, there are other places in Asia that are not as expensive and since you are in the US flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web, there will be some great gals that are way cheaper than BKK. I would not choose Thailand as a P4 P destination these days. IMHO the value is just not there. These gals are no more worth 100 USD short time then I am worth a million dollar football contract at my advanced age. To each his own, there are people that still think it is ok at these prices; I am not one of them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2406184]In a nutshell, no it isn't worth it unless you have a specific fetish for Thai women. As Banana Boi stated, there are other places in Asia that are not as expensive and since you are in the US flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web, there will be some great gals that are way cheaper than BKK. I would not choose Thailand as a P4 P destination these days. IMHO the value is just not there. These gals are no more worth 100 USD short time then I am worth a million dollar football contract at my advanced age. To each his own, there are people that still think it is ok at these prices; I am not one of them.[/QUOTE]If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?

[QUOTE=Healli;2406292]If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?[/QUOTE]Save a little money up and go to an FKK. Or try to make it in the USA. 20 years ago, you came to Thailand to monger. After that, you figured out it was a cool place and you came back for other reasons. For those of us coming here for years and / or living here, we know how to play the game and mongering is just another thing on the list we can do.

But coming here because you are looking for cheap sex? Nope. Unless you are into Chicken Shacks, and you would need someone local to tell you where they are. The days of Third World sex prices in Thailand diedn 15 years ago plus. Now its just another country where you can get laid at a price.

Which of those places is easiest to get around? Vientiane Laos or Phnom Penh, are they places you would recommend to someone who just wants an easy safe mongering stop for a week or two?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2406177]

Thailand is by far not the cheapest place to monger based on girl prices and hotels. If you want cheaper options, consider Jakarta, Phnom Penh, Angeles City, and Laos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2406306]Which of those places is easiest to get around? Vientiane Laos or Phnom Penh, are they places you would recommend to someone who just wants an easy safe mongering stop for a week or two?[/QUOTE]PP is very safe and very easy to get around since it is tiny. The main area is 6 very short blocks by 2 regular blocks where all the bars are. Pontoon and Le Cyrcee are also within walking distance but you may want to pay $2 for a tuk tuk ride instead. Darling Darling at the Naga World casino is also a short tuk tuk ride away. There are other bars nearby on the 170's streets.

Spending 2 weeks in PP for me was long. I prefer 3 or 4 night visits if I go. It's only a 1 hour AirAsia plane ride for under 100 USD from Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2406184]flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web.[/QUOTE]Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2406177]But did you really dread flying across the world to look for mediocre looking girls?[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'll take a 7-8 mediocre girl over a starfish 10, with GPS. A less than 10 will perform better, IME. That guy crying over 100 usd! US escorts are averaging 350 usd and up. 100 usd equals a Quick visit with women on the ole backpage forum, or 3-4 BJ's from a street hooker. LMAO.

Long-Time On The Way Out.

Bargirls today have little interest in entertaining customers these days, be it in the bar or the bedroom. The so-called girlfriend experience – where a customer takes a lady not just for the night, but for many days, maybe a week or longer – is all but a memory.

Long-time is on the way out. Throw silly money at a lady today and you might get a whole night of adult fun entertainment with some ladies. Might. But it's on the way out so enjoy it while it lasts.

And expect short-time to get even shorter. Short-time hotels used to offer rooms in for one hours. Now it's one. What's next? 45 minutes, or less?

Read sticks blog for more.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2406349]Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.[/QUOTE]Most of the action in BA is online. And your Spanish needs to be passable.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2406349]Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.[/QUOTE]I'm glad that I'm the beholder that I am. Of all the countries I have been to Argentina rates number 3 in terms of the most beautiful women after Sweden and Italy. Walking the streets of BA my head turned every few seconds. I sessioned some of the most beautiful women I've been to bed with there. The 2013/14 crackdown dealt me a severe blow.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2406349]Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.[/QUOTE]I was in BA, Argentina a few years ago, and I had the same experience. My best sessions there were with girls from the DR, Paraguay, and Colombia. Argentinian working girls were a disaster. I enjoyed the city of Buenos Aires however, great food and a great place to visit. I never went back, due to poor mongering experience.

[QUOTE=Healli;2406292]If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?[/QUOTE]One reason that Thailand has become less value for money is the strength of the Thai Baht. Even just 4 years ago the Baht was over 36, now it's just over 30. That's a big difference. Plus the girls have oput there prices up. 2,500 THB was US $70 in 2015, now 3,000 THB is US $100.

Jakarta is a pretty good place, lots of really pretty girls, good accommodation and food. Laos is ok but if you get caught with a local girl you could be in big trouble. Rare that it happens these days but you never know. Lots of Vietnamese girls there anyway, you're safe from LE with them.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2406588]One reason that Thailand has become less value for money is the strength of the Thai Baht. Even just 4 years ago the Baht was over 36, now it's just over 30. That's a big difference. Plus the girls have oput there prices up. 2,500 THB was US $70 in 2015, now 3,000 THB is US $100.[/QUOTE]What girls have put their prices up? Only ones I see putting prices up are bars and gogos. As far as girls, I am still paying them the same 1000 baht LT as I always have. I would defintiely be out of the game if I had to run around giving chicks 2500 and 3000 baht. Definitely not worth that to me.

Coyote girls will go short time but it willl cost over 20 k for a very short time. They say they won't but a big fee will do the trick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2406690]What girls have put their prices up? Only ones I see putting prices up are bars and gogos. As far as girls, I am still paying them the same 1000 baht LT as I always have. I would defintiely be out of the game if I had to run around giving chicks 2500 and 3000 baht. Definitely not worth that to me.[/QUOTE]What's the average age of these girls you're paying 1000 baht, how many babies have they had on average and where are you getting them from?

I'm thinking of checking out the soapies and soi 6 over the next few days. Will they be well-stocked or will the best girls have gone home for the new year?

[QUOTE=*****man;2406703]What's the average age of these girls you're paying 1000 baht, how many babies have they had on average and where are you getting them from?[/QUOTE]Any age. Anywhere besides a bar or gogo. There are no girls going around pricing themselves dependant on how old they are or how many kids they have. That is a thing constructed by mongers. All girls in a gogo are priced the same whether they have 10 kids or 0 or are 18 or 80 years old.

Would you pay more for a plumber that just graduated from the plumber's academy or one that has 30 years experience?

You do not see any reports on 30 year old starfishes. All those starfish reports are on 18 year old chicks with no experience. I can afford to throw away 1000 baht on an 18 year old starfish. But 3000 baht plus barfine plus drinks plus lady drinks to go to the room with a starfish? No thanks.

Star fishers can be any age. Theyre just hard bitten women who won't let themselves go and want to defy you to give you a bad time. They can turn up anywhere in the realm from north to south, even if you bang them hard they won't make a sound.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2406733]Any age. Anywhere besides a bar or gogo. There are no girls going around pricing themselves dependant on how old they are or how many kids they have. That is a thing constructed by mongers. All girls in a gogo are priced the same whether they have 10 kids or 0 or are 18 or 80 years old.

Would you pay more for a plumber that just graduated from the plumber's academy or one that has 30 years experience?

You do not see any reports on 30 year old starfishes. All those starfish reports are on 18 year old chicks with no experience. I can afford to throw away 1000 baht on an 18 year old starfish. But 3000 baht plus barfine plus drinks plus lady drinks to go to the room with a starfish? No thanks.[/QUOTE]OK, your earlier post was ambiguous. You meant to say the girls in the bars (not just the bars themselves) are increasing prices. So you go for streetwalkers in their 30's or Thaifriendly women? You certainly can't take massage parlour girls for 1000 baht LT.

[QUOTE==*****man;2406711]I'm thinking of checking out the soapies and soi 6 over the next few days. Will they be well-stocked or will the best girls have gone home for the new year?[/QUOTE]I haven't been there over new year but bear in mind that New Year is a farang feast. Thailand celebrate its' new year in April (Songkran). Instead the celebration is an opportunity to earn money on tourists. I doubt that any girl would go home and miss the chance to get good incomes. I was in Pattaya in November-December and everyone was complaining that they had too few customers.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;2406800] I was in Pattaya in November-December and everyone was complaining that they had too few customers.[/QUOTE]Pattaya's greed will eventually shoot itself in the foot. Raising prices left and right especially on lady drinks with the Thai baht getting stronger is not a winning combination. Add in the fact that the talent is no where near as good as the good old days of 2016. There will be fewer and fewer customers. Well over 50% of the guys who used to visit me often in Pattaya no longer come to Pattaya and only stay in Bangkok for a night or two as a layover. Like I mentioned a few posts ago, there are other countries to hobby MUCH cheaper than Thailand. Pattaya wants to become a family resort and imo eventually will be just that.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;2406800]I haven't been there over new year but bear in mind that New Year is a farang feast. Thailand celebrate its' new year in April (Songkran). Instead the celebration is an opportunity to earn money on tourists. I doubt that any girl would go home and miss the chance to get good incomes.[/QUOTE]This isn't true. Most Thais head back to their hometowns for the New Year, including most massage parlour girls in Bangkok. 10 years ago most Pattaya girls stayed in Pattaya due to the increase in punters but I was wondering whether anyone had any direct experience of soi 6 and the Pattaya soapies over the New Year period in recent years (or right now).

[QUOTE=*****man;2406783]OK, your earlier post was ambiguous. You meant to say the girls in the bars (not just the bars themselves) are increasing prices. So you go for streetwalkers in their 30's or Thaifriendly women? You certainly can't take massage parlour girls for 1000 baht LT.[/QUOTE]Seems you have not read my reports. I always have reported to take massage chicks 500 to the shop and 500 to them for ST. And I give them 1000 LT when they finish work or on their days off. And I am talking about chicks of all ages from anywhere, not just SW or TF chicks in their 30's. And it is the same for chicks when they finish at the bars.

[QUOTE=*****man;2406821]This isn't true. Most Thais head back to their hometowns for the New Year, including most massage parlour girls in Bangkok. 10 years ago most Pattaya girls stayed in Pattaya due to the increase in punters but I was wondering whether anyone had any direct experience of soi 6 and the Pattaya soapies over the New Year period in recent years (or right now).[/QUOTE]New Years week is Pattaya busiest time so it's all hands on deck. I was talking with Laos girl yesterday who was just here for two weeks.

Hello My fellow Mongers,

I am very curious on the prices being reported.

The online escorts model quality is about 4000-7000 baht which is almost equivalent to the bar fee plus paying the girl it seems.

On ThaiFriendly I am being quoted 2000 baht LT, Some even told me 2000 baht all day.

Granted the girls are in their 30's but from the photos they are still head turners.

- Are these girls all cat-fishing or do the photos show a fair representation of the girls in general?

(I know the best thing is to try and report but I am planning a trip from Tokyo my location and I want to make the best of it.

Currently deciding between Thailand Pattaya and Indonesia Jakarta).

Any info would be great looking to make trip Jan. 26th - 31st very cheap tickets from Tokyo!

Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.

Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.

Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.

Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.

There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good looking.

Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself.

Funny thing is there were a few Russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.

Any experience with the Russians?

Day 3: Went to 007 got a an old lady.

Asked her if I could see others. She said she would give good service. It was ok when it started, while she took her top off and the stomach just popped out. It was ugly.

That killed the mood. She gave a massage to make up for it.

Later that night, strolled along beach street. Saw a hottie, but wasn't sure if it was a lady boy. Didn't take any chances.

Picked up an avg looking gal. 1000 bhat ST. Went to the hourly rooms, paid 200, showered and finished.

I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in Pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.

Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?

Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.

Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.

Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.

Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.

There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good lookin.

Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" etc. I am Indian, by myself.

Funny thing is there were a few russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.

Day 3: Went to 007 got a an old lady.

Asked her if I could see others. She said she would give good service. It was ok when it started, but she took her top off and the stomach just popped out. It was ugly.

That killed the mood. She gave a massage.

Later that night, strolled along beach street. Saw a hottie, but wasn't sure if it was a lady boy. Didn't take any chances.

Picked up an avg looking gal. 1000 bhat ST. Went to the hourly rooms, paid 200, showered and finished.

I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.

Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407042]Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.

Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.

Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.

Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.

There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good looking.[/QUOTE]First time around I liked this place. But second and third time, I hated it.

Service is so mechanical. Their b2 b feels like a robot is sliding on you with programmed moves.

Plus staff is pretty rude and worst part, you can't talk to girls. You can't even confirm the service from girl I've no idea how this shop is surviving.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407042]Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself.

Funny thing is there were a few Russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.

Any experience with the Russians?
[/QUOTE]No offense, but they approach any person who they thing is new or first timer. New people usually don't know that all Russian bars or places on WS are ripoffs. I knew it for a long time, but recently tried a couple of russian bars out of curiosity. It's just expensive drinks and they will force you for private lap dance and try to milk you as much as possible. Some russian sitting outisde of those bars are indeed hot, but don't fall for it. They have no interest in going with anyone, they are just there make sure you spend a lot in club.

[QUOTE=ScottHall;2405962]I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?[/QUOTE]Yes it is, if you stay away from the agogo's and escort services. Those might be the easiest options to find pretty girls, but also the most expensive. Freelancers are much cheaper and can be just as pretty, if you are willing to spend time to search for them, either online or in the streets, and have some patience. (OK, sometimes a lot of patience.).

I was in Bangkok a few days ago. After a long search I found a very cute 23 yo math student in Thai Friendly. Very sweet, rock hard body, no kids and a very tight pussy. Damage was only 2000 baht for a shorttime with BBFS and CIP.

Now I'm in Pattaya and yesterday I found a very pretty 20 yo, also in Thai Friendly. Any agogo would hire her immediately. Amazing body, no kids, good blowjob and a very smooth pussy. 1500 for BBFS (CIP was not allowed unfortunately).

Now I admit that about 80 percent of the girls I find online are only average or slightly above average. But it's the 20 percent that are (way) above average that make it worth the effort and time, and of course those are the ones I repeat.

[QUOTE=Crashon101;2407019]Granted the girls are in their 30's but from the photos they are still head turners.

- Are these girls all cat-fishing or do the photos show a fair representation of the girls in general?[/QUOTE]You can pretty much tell if a person is catfishing. Is it a normal everyday picture, or is it a glamourshot? I have not found any chicks to be catfishing on that site. Catfishing is for people that have nothing better to do with their time. Scamming is another thing all together. But I have not found that either.

[QUOTE=Crashon101;2407019](I know the best thing is to try and report but I am planning a trip from Tokyo my location and I want to make the best of it.

Currently deciding between Thailand Pattaya and Indonesia Jakarta).[/QUOTE]Jakarta hands down over Thailand. Jakarta is not nearly as fun but there are nice looking girls for 800 baht per hour at the point and shoot bars. Taxis also much cheaper than the scammers in Pattaya. Use Bluebird taxis only or Grab in Jakarta.

I'm guessing you are Japanese since you're from Tokyo. If so, go to Bangkok instead and go to Thermae and Thaniya Road. Thermae will cost 2500 baht per hour.

If you're Japanese or Korean, you are the most welcome person by girls in all bars in Thailand. However, if you are a Cheap Charlie, you won't have fun in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2407114]First time around I liked this place. But second and third time, I hated it.

Service is so mechanical. Their b2 b feels like a robot is sliding on you with programmed moves.[/QUOTE]

Why I tell guys try a soapie only once. It's kind of fun the first time. Every single time after the first time will not be enjoyable unless you just see a hot girl and want to have sex with her. Never expect great service in a soapie.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407042]Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself. <snip> I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in Pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.

Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review I encouraged you to write.

One thing that may work is to try entering a bar with an Asian guy or a decently dressed Farang. You will likely get in to any gogo or bar. Offer a guy to pay for his first drink. I was told by an Indian friend he got the Members Only line at a certain gogo bar. I told him that's crap so I went down to meet him. Since he was with me the security guy asked if my Indian friend was with me and I said yes. There was no problem for my Indian friend entering that night or future nights when he was alone.

LK Metro is much more laid back than Walking Street akin to Patpong vs. Soi Cowboy / Nana. However, you will still run into the Members Only or Private Party lines depending on which bar.

Personally if I were Indian I would not be going to Thailand to hobby. There is clear racism against Indian men in many Thailand bars. Go to other countries where Indian men are more welcome by the girls and the bars.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407053]Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" etc. I am Indian, by myself.[/QUOTE]FYI, there are Indian Discos on WS. Quite a few actually, and just as packed as the other discos.

[QUOTE=Healli;2406292]If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?[/QUOTE]The answer you seek is in the post you quoted. Also read banana boi's post for some interesting information.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2406998]New Years week is Pattaya busiest time so it's all hands on deck. I was talking with Laos girl yesterday who was just here for two weeks.[/QUOTE]Agree. But even at Songkran bargirls still stay in Pattaya. NYE in Pattaya is chaotic.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2406177]If you want cheaper options, consider Angeles City.[/QUOTE]What you save in AC on barfines is easily wasted on equivalent standard hotel accommodation you can get in Thailand. Sort of breaks even in the long run.

I've noticed a small drop in prices on because road SW's. While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down. I wonder what you all think, and if it will affect other parts of the city like Soi 6? I don't think the prices are unfair but I live in Vegas and I think after flight and everything it's not far off from prices here for somethings. Anyway I would enjoy some pro thoughts on this.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2407650]The answer you seek is in the post you quoted. Also read banana boi's post for some interesting information.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]I was asking what P4P is worth spending 100 usd to him. It sort of answered the question. Jakarta and Argentina. Cheaper the better!

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2407796]I've noticed a small drop in prices on because road SW's. While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down. I wonder what you all think, and if it will affect other parts of the city like Soi 6? I don't think the prices are unfair but I live in Vegas and I think after flight and everything it's not far off from prices here for somethings. Anyway I would enjoy some pro thoughts on this.[/QUOTE]I used to get those offers but not so far this trip but I'm not out at 3 am either. I've just been paying the 1 k baht nothing over that has been quoted on beach Road. My one shot at soi 6 was 300 baht higher the girl wanted 1300 and 300 for room. She was very pretty younger girl also. I'm from Vegas I think prices have nose dived there I can get good quality easily petite black girls and some white at 120-140 us and 80-100 with a little luck.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2407128]

Personally if I were Indian I would not be going to Thailand to hobby. There is clear racism against Indian men in many Thailand bars. Go to other countries where Indian men are more welcome by the girls and the bars.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]They exist. I think you won't have the same problem in Latin America.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of Thai and African women in India plying their trade. Most of the nicer spas all have Thai women. Go figure.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]Go to countries that have not been over run with Indian tourist and you will be very welcomed (short term anyhow).

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]You misunderstood what I wrote. I said go to other countries where girls/bars are more welcoming to Indian men than Thailand. For SEA I would say that applies to almost all countries except Japan, South Korea, and possibly Hong Kong.

Never been but aren't there Indian bars with Thai girls who prefer Indian men on Walking Street? All soapies in Pattaya welcome Indian men. Girls must go for the session. If they don't I believe the girl needs to pay the soapie's cut back for a lost session.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]I would suggest try Vietnam and Cambodia. They have not overrun by Indian tourists yet, so you will fine less bias.

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2407796]While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down.[/QUOTE]How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.

As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.

I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.

As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.

Bannana Boi.

I was being sarcastic. Sorry about that.

I did see Indian bars / clubs on walking street. I avoided them thinking it would be a sausage fest like in most Indian clubs.

I will try it out next time.

Gargano19.

Have you tried Vietnam. How would you compare with Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2408146]How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.

As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.

I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.

As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info guys, yeah the videos I watch are very modern maybe two days old. I just noticed two girls offering for 700 not really lookers but still. I'm scared so scared of all of the girls but yeah mostly beach road. I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls. I didn't know if the prices would budge or not for the rest of the city thanks.

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2408174]Thanks for the info guys, yeah the videos I watch are very modern maybe two days old.[/QUOTE]You are allowed to post youtube links on here. Post away and we'll let you know if the videos are recent or old. Some guys like Mr. E may even be able to provide you with reviews of some of the Beach Road girls in the video.

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2408174]I'm scared of STI's.[/QUOTE]

You can always wear 2 condoms.

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2408174]I'm scared so scared of all of the girls but yeah mostly beach road. I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls.[/QUOTE]And who is testing the customers? Why would you be scared of one chick over another? A disease does not care how much a person charges or where they are working.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]If you have money, it doesn't matter if you are indian. 1) travel to Thailand alone, 2) don't be cheap, 3) don't act like a fucking jerk, and 4) take shower daily and everything will be fine in Thailand. Prostitutes are prostitutes. You may be as lucky as a fat ugly man from western country if you follow those instructions.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2408364]If you have money, it doesn't matter if you are indian. 1) travel to Thailand alone, 2) don't be cheap, 3) don't act like a fucking jerk, and 4) take shower daily and everything will be fine in Thailand. Prostitutes are prostitutes. You may be as lucky as a fat ugly man from western country if you follow those instructions.[/QUOTE]I agree totally. I am originally from India and I know where Indian guys ruin it. I have been to Bangkok and Pattaya. I treated the girls really well. Showered, smelled good, good clothes and being polite. I saw a lot of Indian guys haggling with 1 girl for having sessions with multiple guys trying to get a combo deal or something. It's simple logic, girls are there to make money they don't care which nationality a guy is from as long he is respectful and willing to spend cash. The girls talk among themselves, once they know I am a good customer they repeatedly contact me and also recommended me to other chicks.

Folks,

I was pretty disappointed with my experience with UTP so far. The go-gos are absolutely a rip-off that are surviving only on the Japanese and the Arab crowd. I went to a couple in Soi LK Metro and the girls there are pretty decent, but the set up is just so stupid. The girls on the stage are 7's and 8's, but they barely move their hips an inch up and down. That's not sexy. Their only aim in life is to have the customer order a lady drink for her. If you make eye contact with any of the girls on the stage, the bar staff immediately gesture for you to buy her a LD. The LD comes to your seat, and the lady comes over to you and you have the chance to talk to her. I inquired with one of the worst (chubbiest) girls in Ninja gogo about how much she would set me back by. It was THB 1,500 for the BF and THB 3,500 for her LT. She was a 8 at best, and that was after I had my beer goggles on. These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity! I was leaving anyway, but I did feel offended. (I am Indian, and I understand the stereotype after spending a few days in 3 of the most popular cities in Thailand. I like to think that I'm different. I travel alone, I am fit and young, clean, dress well and I go into a place only if I can afford it, so I don't have to cheap out. But then again, I bet every Indian here thinks the same about himself.).

But it still smarts when it happens to you.

There was was a massage parlour somewhere off Soi Buakhao. Really non-descript, and with one fat aunty and a younger, small petite one in a Santa costume. I asked the younger one how much for a full body massage. It was THB 300. I decided to go for it. Inside, I stripped naked and initiated sex. She reciprocated. But she was a starfish. But I have my own ways of making a starfish move. It's a combination of starting slow but progressing fast in a dominant manner. There were a couple of times where she said "Chiep, chiep", and I slowed down. Her boobs were surprisingly soft and supple and I took some time sucking and playing with them. Soft nipples, but not like the standard Asian type of small areolas but big nipples poking out. After barely 3 or 4 minutes of me sucking and licking her nipples and boobs, I could see her body getting turned on, and she put on a condom and opened her legs. Went in in missionary (I like to see their faces when I insert). Banged for like 5 minutes. Turned her around, got her on all 4's and dogged her hard and slapped her ass a few times. Came in doggy, and realized that I made the mistake of not negotiating how much for extras. She spoke NO English at all (literally nothing), and her mamasan did all the talking for her. Mamasan took advantage of the fact that we did not negotiate prior, and I ended up paying THB 800 for a sub-par starfish experience.

Next day I went to Route 66 bar on Soi 6 and was invited inside by Ning, who was a 6. 5 after I had my beer goggles on. Bought a beer for myself and one for her and we hung out, with her in my hand for like an hour or so. Got talking a bit. By this time, I was a little desperate (I had had a couple of massages earlier during the day but I didn't like the attitude of the ladies so I didn't proceed to specials). So I told her that I'd come back at 1 (when her work ended) to pick her up. We exchanged numbers. She got a little too attached, I think. Shit came up, and I didn't go back at 1. The next day, I woke up to find 15 missed calls and shit. She called when I was awake and I actually picked up. I gave her very simple instructions. Come to Soi 2. Now I don't expect them to be very smart, but come on, you can at least follow instructions to come to Soi 2. She wasted like half an hour trying to video call while she was on the road, and neither of us could hear each other very well. What little we could hear, we couldn't understand. In the video call, I saw in the background where she was. At this point, she wasn't a looker, didn't speak much English, and she had a bit of a tummy. I should have bailed, but junior took over and I raced on my scooter to pick her up. We came back to my room, I made up some bullshit story about why I couldn't come at 1 the previous night. We took a shower. While around, she was being very childish, giggling at stupid shit, running around the room expecting me to run behind her and shit like that. She was 30 but behaved like 13. Even in bed, she had no concept on sexy. Her idea of foreplay was getting naked, covering her boobs with her hands and giggling away to glory. I had to initiate everything and do all the work. I negotiated THB 800 and we finally fucked in miss and WOT. Nothing spectacular, really. I considered letting her go, but by the way she was behaving all childish, girly and giggly, I knew it would be a task. We took some rest. After 40 minutes, I wanted to do one more shot with her, but she wasn't sexy enough for junior to concentrate. So I took my laptop, put on some porn and set it on my bed beside her so I can see it while doing her. Did missionary and doggy and came soon. Was very unremarkable. I realized that the only way to get rid of her was to take her out for lunch and let her go after lunch. That way, no scenes are created at the hotel. Did exactly that.

But, during my last night in Pattaya, I was roaming around beach road when I saw a stunner (relatively, considering it was beach road). When I asked her, she said ST for THB 800. She had an air of arrogance around her, but she was much better than the rest. She spoke passable English, and she dressed much classier than the rest (not micro miniskirt, but a long gown that would not be very out of place at a cocktail party). She had her own car. We agreed on the price and I got into her car. She even turned on the AC! She must be doing well. I told her that she was too beautiful to work on the beach road, and that she would make more money in a bar. She seemed to take offence and went on a rant about how she likes her freedom. In a bar, old, fat and smelly customers would come and she wouldn't be able to refuse. On the beach road, she's just quote some exorbitant price to these old smelly fat people and they would go away. Made sense to me, and she had her own damn car. Perhaps she was right. As soon as we walked into the hotel (Sabai Lodge. I recommend it even though it's a little further from the action), she went to the reception to submit her ID on her own without any prompting. She fit right in with the crowd in the resort. In the room she undressed and we went for shower. Nice, handful of titties that didn't sag at all, a tiny bit of a tummy due to having a 6 year old. But she was an 8. 5 for me, and I didn't have my beer goggles on. Perhaps this may have been on the higher scale because of the relative disappointment in UTP so far. But it was my last night in UTP, and I'm glad I ended it on a high note. Being so beautiful, I was concerned that she might be a starfish. So I took precautions by turning up the foreplay to max settings. Usually when I P4P, I don't care about her. But when you have a potential starfish, you could turn her on with foreplay and she would respond and most of the time, reciprocate. I went to town on her nipples with every trick in the bag and soon enough, when she started gyrating her hips, started slowly but surely fingering her. Soon, she gushing wet. We had foreplay for around 12 minutes. Soon, she was begging me to get the condom and fuck her. Pounded her in missionary, doggie and WOT. She was amazing on WOT, squatting and doing powerful, deep thrusts. I blasted my load in the condom during WOT. It's been just under an hour since I had her, and I'm already getting a boner writing about it. I've always been a monger that focused on value for money. In my opinion, I don't think I've done better, and I don't think I ever will. A smart man once said that it's never about absolute performance. It's always about performance at a given price point. I had to convince her to stay for a couple of minutes after we were done. It looked like she had a very efficient modus operandi. It was one of the best experiences of my mongering life so far, and I believe UTP has redeemed itself. Goes to show that you can get diamonds in the rough in the beach road as well.

Thank you Thailand.

Attached pic of the last girl.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2408670]I inquired with one of the worst (chubbiest) girls in Ninja gogo about how much she would set me back by. It was THB 1,500 for the BF and THB 3,500 for her LT. She was a 8 at best, and that was after I had my beer goggles on. These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity! I was leaving anyway, but I did feel offended. (I am Indian, and I understand the stereotype after spending a few days in 3 of the most popular cities in Thailand. I like to think that I'm different. I travel alone, I am fit and young, clean, dress well and I go into a place only if I can afford it, so I don't have to cheap out. But then again, I bet every Indian here thinks the same about himself.).
[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with race. You got entry into bar, girl was sitting next to you. If you're only going to buy 1 drink for you (65 b I assume) and 1 LD for girl, what more were you expecting.

[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2408174]I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls.[/QUOTE]If you're paranoid about STIs, you picked a wrong hobby. As long as you follow the usual safe sex precautions, you'll be fine. There's still a small chance you might catch something, but it won't be AIDS. I'm sure you managed to get over a flu or strep throat a few times in your life so far, it's not life-changing.

It's useless to think about STI testing for girls. Indeed, the businesses don't have much incentive to test, except to tell paranoid customers they're testing (in which case, a doctor sign-off with no actual test would do just fine). The girls have every reason to keep working even if they test positive for something, nobody else is going to pay her bills (including the new medical expenses). Moreover, even if she was thoroughly tested every month and would have stopped working, she could still pass on an infection she got from one of the 50 customers since her last test.

Condoms, lube, wash before and immediately after sex, pee afterwards if you can, it's no rocket science.

Went down soi 6 yesterday to a bar with A/C at the very end on the right hand side. Entered, asked for if my regular girl is working. Was lucky so far. She showed up and I don't know why but asked how much is barfine. Got a really unexpected answer - 3 k. Asked if I got it right or she meant ST? No got it right. But day after so from 2nd Jan on it is back to 1 k.

I don't really get the sense but my answer was. So then see you tomorrow maybe.

Paid my friends beer and mine, and her drink and off we went.

Live long and prosper.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2408797]It has nothing to do with race. You got entry into bar, girl was sitting next to you. If you're only going to buy 1 drink for you (65 b I assume) and 1 LD for girl, what more were you expecting.[/QUOTE]What do you mean what more was he expecting? So if I walk into McDonald's and comb over the menu and decide to just order a small coffee, they should tell me "Just Go!" after they give me my order?

You are right that it had nothing to do with race, and all to do with you only being there as an ATM. I have been told the exact same thing in stores when I have decided not to make a purchase. They get angry and say just go, as if I am not supposed to have a choice whether to spend my money there even if I do not see anything that I would like to buy.

You can not run a business by acting like you are doing the customer a favor by allowing him to spend his money there, and if he decides not to then you get angry and yell at him. Yeah. What more was that customer expecting?

This may be the wrong forum to post on but in the spirit of replying to you I post here.
You should visit Russia.

My last visit to Moscow was a revelation.

The Strip Bars were great and welcoming as were the massage places.

With the Russian Ruble being approx Rs. 1. 10/- to 1 Ruble it is a because effective country to monger in.

Language can be a barrier but Google Translate helped a lot.

Most Strip bars charged an entry of Rub 2000/- which included a lapdance. The Girls expect a tip of Rub 100 for every time they come to you and a session there would cost you Rub 6-7 K depending on the establishment and the girl you choose.

The Massage Parlour I visited in Moscow cost me Rub 5000 and the girls were the most beautiful I have met.

The overall vibe of the country is welcoming for Indians and paying the extra 10 k for a return air ticket is well worth it.

[QUOTE=BlrCity;2407959]Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?

I doubt if these other countries actually exist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2408891]What do you mean what more was he expecting? So if I walk into McDonald's and comb over the menu and decide to just order a small coffee, they should tell me "Just Go!" after they give me my order?

You are right that it had nothing to do with race, and all to do with you only being there as an ATM. I have been told the exact same thing in stores when I have decided not to make a purchase. They get angry and say just go, as if I am not supposed to have a choice whether to spend my money there even if I do not see anything that I would like to buy.

You can not run a business by acting like you are doing the customer a favor by allowing him to spend his money there, and if he decides not to then you get angry and yell at him. Yeah. What more was that customer expecting?[/QUOTE]If a McDonald's / or some cafe is crowded and I have only bought one cheap coffee and people are looking for vacant tables, and I'm still sitting there for a while after finishing it, I am sure staff will ask me if I want to order something, if not then I should leave. They will just be a lot polite than mamsan or bar girls. And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.

So I was surprised why the guy got offended after girl said "then go!

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2408900]If a McDonald's / or some cafe is crowded and I have only bought one cheap coffee and people are looking for vacant tables, and I'm still sitting there for a while after finishing it, I am sure staff will ask me if I want to order something, if not then I should leave. They will just be a lot polite than mamsan or bar girls. And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.

So I was surprised why the guy got offended after girl said "then go![/QUOTE]Maybe you are forgetting the part about him just finishing the last of his beer and getting ready to leave on his own. They got angry with him because he did not want anything else. He was not just sitting there for 20 minutes without a drink in front of him and taking up space preventing them from accomodating other customers.

So if you finish your coffee at McDonald's and are getting ready to walk out and they say hey how about an apple pie, and you say no thanks I'm full. Then they loud talk you and say well get the fuck out then. That is more of what happened in his case.

[QUOTE=Yungger;2408873]Went down soi 6 yesterday to a bar with A/C at the very end on the right hand side. Entered, asked for if my regular girl is working. Was lucky so far. She showed up and I don't know why but asked how much is barfine. Got a really unexpected answer - 3 k. Asked if I got it right or she meant ST? No got it right. But day after so from 2nd Jan on it is back to 1 k.
[/QUOTE]It has been reported for years (or maybe it was that my friends told me) that for New Years places jack the barfines up, so you should already have your FLs pre-arranged.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2408952]It has been reported for years (or maybe it was that my friends told me) that for New Years places jack the barfines up, so you should already have your FLs pre-arranged.[/QUOTE]Now if traveling to Thailand to spend Christmas and New Year is your thing or that is the only time you can get away then to each his own? I hear more girls well you pay for what you get?

Yes, the end of the year from my experience starting just before Christmas nearly all the GoGos girls not on 10 days contract will not get a day off for two weeks and BF are usually double unless you go to places like Palace, Pin-Up, where their BF is high all year round. They want to sell drinks that are the goal. Places like Soi 6, will double their BF so they don't lose the girl no customer wants to sit in a place with no girls the reason also if you want to take a girl long time any other time the BF is higher.

Sure if this is your holiday expect to pay and enjoy it has been like this forever? One of my regular places BF is 800 last two weeks it is 2000 baht. I buy a few drinks get some cheap feel and say " see you later ".

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2408670] Their only aim in life is to have the customer order a lady drink for her. If you make eye contact with any of the girls on the stage, the bar staff immediately gesture for you to buy her a LD. [/QUOTE]That's how the girls make money in case you weren't aware. They aren't there to entertain you for free.

Waitresses can gesture me to buy a girl a drink until they get carpal tunnel syndrome. It's my money and unless I can confirm DFK or at least a lap dance for the lady drink my money stays in my pocket.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2408670] These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity![/QUOTE]Your post seems to have started some good discussion. The real question is how long were you there with the 1 drink you bought? Imo if you were there for 10 or 15 minutes then the waitress was definitely out of line being rude to you. If you were milking the same 65 baht beer for 30 minutes or an hour then imo you are just seen as a Cheap Charlie taking up space in the bar.

It's the waitresses job to ask you for drinks. Many guys get upset if they are unable to order a beer quickly when their first one is done. You don't need to get a second drink as long as you are buying lady drinks. No bar has every been upset at me for not ordering a second drink because they know I will buy plenty of lady drinks if there are new hot girls or they know my regular girls are somewhere in the bar. I have a regular girl at Ninja and the waitresses / mamasan will even run upstairs to tell her I'm in the bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2408214]You are allowed to post youtube links on here. Post away and we'll let you know if the videos are recent or old. Some guys like Mr. E may even be able to provide you with reviews of some of the Beach Road girls in the video..[/QUOTE]2 condoms are recipe for disaster as they will definitely break due to friction.

OS.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2408900] And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.
[/QUOTE]Then the Bar needs to review their drink pricing. It is not the duty of the customer to make a bar profitable. BTW the watered down draft crap beer sold in Patt Go-Go's for 65 THB can't cost them many bahts.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409099]The real question is how long were you there with the 1 drink you bought? Imo if you were there for 10 or 15 minutes then the waitress was definitely out of line being rude to you. If you were milking the same 65 baht beer for 30 minutes or an hour then imo you are just seen as a Cheap Charlie taking up space in the bar.

[/QUOTE]That sums it up quite well.

And to be clear, most probably bar girl was rude to the guy, but I have seen way too many rude bar girls or mamsans to take offense from them.

On another point, the bars where I am quite regular, and mamsan and girls knows me, there I can sit for an hour and only order one drink, and they're not going to say anything. Because they know tomorrow I will back and buy few LDs and BF some girl. But if it's my first time at some bar and I'm not going to spend and still sit for a while, then I might attract some hostile behavior towards me.

Clarification.

1) I was not there for more than 10 minutes.

2) It was not at all crowded. In fact, it was more or less empty. I vaguely remember 6 - 7 guys in total.

3) I was going to leave as soon as I finished the beer. The bar staff caught me the second I was done with my beer.

I did not mean to start a debate. I have left it behind me, as should the forum.

Stop drinking and doing stupid shit!

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Another drunk guy recently fell off a pier in pattaya and drowned. I have to admit though, I've been a bit too drunk for my own good while in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2409657]Stop drinking and doing stupid shit!

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Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.

So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.

My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038]Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.

So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.

My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what![/QUOTE]Be thankful to her because she inadvertently showed you what prostitutes really are. And, in a way, how stupid and gullible, we mongers are. We all think that these bitches love us, in reality all the care for is $$.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038]Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.

So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.

My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what![/QUOTE]You cannot be love struck with a working girl. This is the biggest mistake mongers make. Just go fuck and leave. She could not care less if you caught her red handed. She has a job and not going to to honor another punters promise. Her job if you have not figured yet is to fuck as many as possible to make money. She is not married to you and you did not promise anything like taking care of her permanently. So get over it. Never ever assume any girl is devoted to you.

Even among dating girls it is very difficult to keep them waiting for you irrespective of what they say. Once they start fucking casual foreign visitors they have essentially crossed the line. They will keep trying to get new sponsors.

As for me I do not care what they do when I am not with them. Yes, I make plans to meet them. Sometimes I am guilty of ditching them because something better came along.

Think of it as dating a girl. Sometimes girls ditch you and sometimes you do.

Luckily there are wall to wall willing girls ready to fuck you.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038] So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what![/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this gem with us.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038]Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.

So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.

My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what![/QUOTE]I'd be angry if the only reason I returned to Thailand was specifically to date her.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038] Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.

So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy.[/QUOTE]Could be possible the guy she went with offered more money than she thought you would pay her or this guy is a regular of hers who unexpectedly showed up or she thought you were not going to show up because you were late. Just go see her the following night.

Had this stuff happen to me as well. Line messaging gogo girls to go eat after work. When I arrive at the bar as the bar is closing I am told she was barfined hours ago. Girl I was to meet to go eat doesn't message me to tell me she's been barfined. No big deal since she's actually making money. I just ask another gogo girl if they're hungry. The answer is ALWAYS yes.

Pattaya is a go with the flow kind of town. A lot of improvisation is required.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038]Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp,[/QUOTE]I never tell anyone when I am coming to town, not even normal girls. What does a bih need to know your travel plans for? I just show the fuck up. When they keep asking when I am coming, I just say soon.

And if someone that you have paid before says how much they miss you, then you ask them if they miss you or if they miss your money. If they say they miss you and not your money, you tell them good, that means I don't need to give you money anymore.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2410038]Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed.[/QUOTE]I don't get this meeting chicks you already know at a hooker bar thing. I go out to those places to pick someone up, not to enjoy time with someone that I already have. When I get the person, I am off to doing other shit. Why would you even think to need to go back up there and spend all that money on drinks and shit is beyond me. You should have told her that you were not going to Bamboo and to meet you at your place instead and you guys could go out and enjoy yourselves from there, going to places that are not hooker bars.

I know that you can not turn a hooker into a housewife, but if you could, then the first step would be not to take her back to the same hooker bar where you met her. That is like taking a drug addict to hang out at a dope house. You are never going to get them off drugs that way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2410113]
I don't get this meeting chicks you already know at a hooker bar thing. I go out to those places to pick someone up, not to enjoy time with someone that I already have. When I get the person, I am off to doing other shit. Why would you even think to need to go back up there and spend all that money on drinks and shit is beyond me. You should have told her that you were not going to Bamboo and to meet you at your place instead and you guys could go out and enjoy yourselves from there, going to places that are not hooker bars.
[/QUOTE]In Makati, my repeat Go Go girls show much less loyalty to their Go Go's than in Thailand and will happily make some excuse at work and come visit me at my hotel during their bar's working hours thus completely cutting the bar out of the barfine. But I have never had a Thai Go Go girl do likewise for me ie come visit me during her bar's working hours without including the barfine. NEVER and it is not like I haven't tried countless times. 555. Sure, all of my repeat BKK & Pattaya Go Go girls will gladly come see me before their work shift or after their work shift sans the barfine, but never during working hours. Maybe the reason for the difference in behavior between MNL and Thai Go Go hookers is cultural or maybe the reason is that the Makati barfine is set too high above what the market will bare and that fact encourages the girls to go grey market with their repeat customers. I don't know.

But what I do know is that if I want my hot little BKK or Pat Go Go girl prime time between 8 pm and 2 am, I am going to have to pay the barfine for the convenience. If you have found some way to get around that with Go Go girls Mr. E. I take my hat off to you, but I think not. Hostess girls may be another story, but I don't fool around with Hostess girls that much.

The OP has a right to feel pissed off. The girl did not keep her date with him. But c'est la vie. I would move on and forget about her. There are many more fish in the sea. I have experienced this sort of thing in La Belle, BKK and Hotel Alexis, Jakarta where a "date" or more accurately an appointment with a favorite repeat girl was not honored. In both cases I showed up on time to find the girl busy with another customer. I was disappointed because I expected both of the girls to wait for me. That's why I made the "date." I wanted to have them at their freshest.

In the La Belle case I took a different sideline girl rather than wait. After my session my original girl saw me leave and texted me asking why I had not waited for her. I explained why and that was that. No problem. So I saw her again on another occasion and this time she honored our appointment and was waiting for me off stage when I arrived.

In the Hotel Alexis case the mamasan apologised to me profusely for not allowing my girl to wait for me and she offered me a special private edition girl as a way to make up for the slight. The 18 year old private edition girl was a knockout and I thoroughly enjoyed my bareback session with her. But when I was done I went out to the lounge where I saw my original intended girl back in the lineup and she saw me and she was visibly upset that I had not waited for her. I kid you not. She was really mad with some kind of confused jealousy that I had been with another girl. 555. Anyway, she was so upset that she could no longer talk or text with me coherently and that was that. I never did her again. But so what! Yes, she was really cute and very sexy and a great lay, but there are so many others. You just move on.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2410160]In Makati, my repeat Go Go girls show much less loyalty to their Go Go's than in Thailand and will happily make some excuse at work and come visit me at my hotel during their bar's working hours thus completely cutting the bar out of the barfine. But I have never had a Thai Go Go girl do likewise for me ie come visit me during her bar's working hours without including the barfine. NEVER and it is not like I haven't tried countless times. 555.[/QUOTE]From what I am told, Pattaya gogo girls have to pay the barfine whenever she misses a day of work during her contract. Even if she's in the hospital.

Some gogo bars have ridiculous penalties for girls like 100 baht for each minute the girl is late for her shift. 300 baht for losing her number tag. A few thousand baht for losing her outfit.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2410160]But what I do know is that if I want my hot little BKK or Pat Go Go girl prime time between 8 pm and 2 am, I am going to have to pay the barfine for the convenience. If you have found some way to get around that with Go Go girls Mr. E. I take my hat off to you, but I think not. Hostess girls may be another story, but I don't fool around with Hostess girls that much.[/QUOTE]I look at it as having a job, so I would never tell someone to skip out of work and come do this with me. You look at it as I don't care what is going on, I want this chick at this very moment. My girlfriend works at the cell phone company at Central Festival. At 2 pm I want her to go see a movie with me. I am well aware that she works from 11 am to 9 pm, so why would I even have it in my mind to want her to go to an afternoon cinema with me?

As mongers (vacation mongers in particular), sometimes we lose sight of normal life. I am not an, "I have to have it right now" guy. I am more of an "I have no problem waiting until it's available" guy; such as waiting until my girlfriend finishes work to go to the movies. Besides, there are thousands of other chicks around. Why do you just have to have that one that you know good and well is busy at the time?

As you said the barfine is for the convenience. I am not one to be paying that much for something to be convenient. There is a restaurant called Chick-Fil-A. They are closed on Sundays. I have a taste for Chik-Fil-A today. My taste is not that strong that I will call up the manager and offer $200 extra for him to go into the store and make me a sandwich. I have no problem choosing something else that I don't have to pay a convenience fee for and just waiting for tomorrow when I know Chik-Fil-A will be open and I can pay a normal price.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2410168]From what I am told, Pattaya gogo girls have to pay the barfine whenever she misses a day of work during her contract. Even if she's in the hospital.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And I have known chicks to pay their own barfine so they can go to the disco to party with their friends. In some cases a chick I have met at the disco has told me that she paid 1000 baht barfine to the gogo she works at on Walking Street in order to leave and go party, then she comes home with me all night for the same 1000 baht.

Maybe NB is giving the chicks in Manila enough money so that they are able to cover the penalty they have there, if there is any.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2410173]Maybe NB is giving the chicks in Manila enough money so that they are able to cover the penalty they have there, if there is any.[/QUOTE]Possibly, but I think since I just give the girls the going rate in MNL, Pattaya, and or BKK the reason is probably closer to what BB refers to: the Thai Go Go's are more stringent in the enforcement of the rules governing their girls attendance than in MNL. But what do I know? Girls say things. I listen. I don't pay it much mind as long as I am getting what I want.

A few years back in the 2nd year of my relationship with my 2 Bottoms girls, there was a time span when I saw both girls exclusively 10 nights in a row. At the end of that run, Sarah told me that her mamasan had issued a decree that if She did not show up at work that night, she would be fired. I said, "Sarah, listen to mama and go to Bottoms tonight. " and she did. Burgos and Walking Street are similar yet very different at the same time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2410173]Exactly. And I have known chicks to pay their own barfine so they can go to the disco to party with their friends. In some cases a chick I have met at the disco has told me that she paid 1000 baht barfine to the gogo she works at on Walking Street in order to leave and go party, then she comes home with me all night for the same 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2410196]I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]Not an expat perk at all. Just a matter of being in the right place at the right time. They would go with any other guy that was in the disco just the same. Rarely would I even tell a chick that I meet in the disco that I live in Pattaya. When they come back to my place they see a painting of me on the wall, see the 25 bottles of liquor that I have on top of the refrigerator, see my 15 pair of shoes and all my stuff and ask you stay here long time?

The thing about Pattaya is that chicks are not always just out to make money. Sometimes they want to party. Sometimes chicks may not even go with me, instead saying I want to party with my friends. That is why I don't go around buying all those drinks for chicks. You never know what you will end up with. Just go with the flow.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2410221]
The thing about Pattaya is that chicks are not always just out to make money. Sometimes they want to party. Sometimes chicks may not even go with me, instead saying I want to party with my friends. That is why I don't go around buying all those drinks for chicks. You never know what you will end up with. Just go with the flow.[/QUOTE]Exactly, this is very random. Many partying girls will be happy to pay their own drinks in discos (and tip the waiters well). They may turn down 3 K from some guy just to go with some other guy for 1. 5, or they will just go home and sleep. Unless rent is due, party on.

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I've been seeing this gorgeous lady the last couple of years, really can't believe I'm about to post this here. She's one that I've only shared via PM here and with buddies that I know will treat her good. She ticks all of the boxes. GFE yes, great looks yes, not a clock watcher yes. I can keep going. I can honestly say that guys I've shared her with have always repeated with her, not one has ever been 'one and done'. Sitting around bored during the day won't happen if you can get ahold of her. But why are you now sharing her contact info? I'll get to that in a bit. You want a 30 minute BJ followed by some fantastic sex? She's your girl. You want some rimming as well? She's your girl. You want to travel to the Greek Islands? She's your girl. She's been on Thai friendly for years and Thai friendly is always on the lookout for her face, don't worry if the link doesn't work she'll show up again plus or minus her age to throw off their searches but she always lists the same height and weight. I'm sure she's known to some guys on this board, oddly she's never been reported on. I've kept a lookout for reports on her. She won't chat you up on LINE, she's straight to the point and asks are you in Pattaya. Here LINE account has close to a thousand guys (give or take) and she doesn't have the time for chit chat. Some guys might not like that I'm letting the cat out of the bag but there's a good reason. And the reason is: she's now dick scared. Some idiot fucked her so hard with a big dick and hurt her pretty good (it wasn't me) that she's now blocking all non-Asians out of fear that it will happen again. At least that's what seems to be happening. Only the Asian guys that I know that she's been seeing have been able to chat her up and book her. One buddy who's seen her half a dozen times even after her 'injury' was recently told that even he's too big so I am assuming she's limiting herself to Asians with smaller dicks so as not to lose money by having to take time off. There's a chance that she's still seeing older farangs who live in Pattaya so there's a chance if your older she might agree to meet. As you can see in the photo's below the first photo was taken from her Thai Friendly account, the one showing more cleavage was from her LINE account (so its the same girl). She'll give you her name if she decides to give you her LINE ID. She used to show more photo's on Thai Friendly but her account would get locked more often. Yes she's older than the normal teen girl showing up to Pattaya for the first time, her body isn't like she was back when she was 21. But she won't be a starfish, she'll make sure that your happy. I will miss her but the message was pretty clear. "if I see you again I will have pain again". Treat her well, if she makes your day buy me a beer on my next trip. Facially I'd give her a 9, she'll look just like her photo's if she shows up. Body is decent, solid 7.5. she lost a couple of points from her teenage years. Her personality though is through the roof, easily a 15 out of 10. Really debating if I'll hit the 'upload report' button. But it has to be done.

And on a side not to FL Hawk. This was the girl I was trying to set you up with on your last trip but I haven't been watching this board as much the last year.

Fallys (Noon) is famous, she's had a bunch of reviews (34) on another site that I am not allowed to mention. Usually good reviews, the latest being on 30/12.

There's always go go girls and soi 6 girls in ibar with a bottle partying. Some I see in there every night.

They're usually drink Jack Daniels rather than the Thai brands.

Most of the girls I've met in Thailand live for the day and never plan ahead.

Chicks are human and think illogically. Peer pressure can be huge. Think of all the Westerners that have played hooky from work or used sick / vacation time for a BS getaway. These girls are not robots. A lot of these girls can survive on less than $20 a day even with a child.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2410196]Possibly, but I think since I just give the girls the going rate in MNL, Pattaya, and or BKK the reason is probably closer to what BB refers to: the Thai Go Go's are more stringent in the enforcement of the rules governing their girls attendance than in MNL. But what do I know? Girls say things. I listen. I don't pay it much mind as long as I am getting what I want.

A few years back in the 2nd year of my relationship with my 2 Bottoms girls, there was a time span when I saw both girls exclusively 10 nights in a row. At the end of that run, Sarah told me that her mamasan had issued a decree that if She did not show up at work that night, she would be fired. I said, "Sarah, listen to mama and go to Bottoms tonight. " and she did. Burgos and Walking Street are similar yet very different at the same time.

I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]

Some girls have a nest egg saved up. Top girls can pull in more money than the average Westerner. Some girls have sponsors that allow them to party more. Some girls live at the bar or have 2 roommates. It's not unheard of for girls to take the whole summer off.

Hello fellow punters. My brother is coming with me to the LOS for the first time. Since it has been a number of years since I have visited venues such as this, I am out of the loop. I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

JB.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2411272] I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If by Patpong shows you mean ping pong shows I don't think any of the gogo bars do it on a regular basis. If you just want raunch stuff like girls sticking beer bottles up their vagina and then guys drinking beer from the beer bottles you can try Windmill both floors, Kink upstairs, and Dollhouse upstairs, etc. I did see a girl shooting darts out of her pussy at one Pattaya gogo bar once but forgot which one.

If you want a different experience with girls putting on classier show type choreographed dances there is Imagine Club which is the sister club of What's Up. You won't be bothered to buy lady drinks there and it's different than all other gogo bars in Pattaya.

If you want gogo bars where girls do not bother you much for drinks you can go to Sensations, Baccara, or Palace. Girls at these bars are not desperate so don't latch on to any yahoo that walks in to the bar hoping they get a drink. You will not be scammed by wait staff or girls at these bars.

[QUOTE=Cool;2411094]A lot of these girls can survive on less than $20 a day even with a child.[/QUOTE]I am sure we can all come up with examples of girls not maximizing their incomes and/or spending it foolishly. It takes all kinds. I knew this looker that worked in Baccara Cowboy a few years back. She was one of my Mini's girl friends. This girl was very popular in the bar, but she limited her barfine to one a night. That was her quota. After that she would leave Sukhumvit and hang out in Thai centric bars and nightclubs with her fellow girl friends. Her thing was to pick up young, good looking Thai men that caught her fancy, buy them drinks, and pay them to fuck her. I thought that was pretty funny and ironic, but I guess Ae was a lonely girl and there was no stopping her. Mini used to try. Then low and behold, one day Ae got pregnant and her Thai base player boyfriend married her and took her out of the game. Fairy tales do come true occasionally. But I would not say this is norm.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2410596][URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Fallys[/URL]

I've been seeing this gorgeous lady the last couple of years, really can't believe I'm about to post this here. She's one that I've only shared via PM here and with buddies that I know will treat her good. She ticks all of the boxes. GFE yes, great looks yes, not a clock watcher yes. I can keep going. I can honestly say that guys I've shared her with have always repeated with her, not one has ever been 'one and done'. Sitting around bored during the day won't happen if you can get ahold of her. But why are you now sharing her contact info? I'll get to that in a bit. You want a 30 minute BJ followed by some fantastic sex? She's your girl. You want some rimming as well? She's your girl. You want to travel to the Greek Islands? She's your girl. She's been on Thai friendly for years and Thai friendly is always on the lookout for her face, don't worry if the link doesn't work she'll show up again plus or minus her age to throw off their searches but she always lists the same height and weight. I'm sure she's known to some guys on this board, oddly she's never been reported on. I've kept a lookout for reports on her. She won't chat you up on LINE, she's straight to the point and asks are you in Pattaya. Here LINE account has close to a thousand guys (give or take) and she doesn't have the time for chit chat. Some guys might not like that I'm letting the cat out of the bag but there's a good reason. And the reason is: she's now dick scared. Some idiot fucked her so hard with a big dick and hurt her pretty good (it wasn't me) that she's now blocking all non-Asians out of fear that it will happen again. At least that's what seems to be happening. Only the Asian guys that I know that she's been seeing have been able to chat her up and book her. One buddy who's seen her half a dozen times even after her 'injury' was recently told that even he's too big so I am assuming she's limiting herself to Asians with smaller dicks so as not to lose money by having to take time off. There's a chance that she's still seeing older farangs who live in Pattaya so there's a chance if your older she might agree to meet. As you can see in the photo's below the first photo was taken from her Thai Friendly account, the one showing more cleavage was from her LINE account (so its the same girl). She'll give you her name if she decides to give you her LINE ID..[/QUOTE]What's her line ID.

[QUOTE=JHourHappy;2411328]What's her line ID.[/QUOTE]You can contact her on TF and ask her. Are you actually in Pattaya because talking to her way ahead of your visit is the best way to never meet her.

[QUOTE=JHourHappy;2411328]What's her line ID.[/QUOTE]Her LINE ID is out there. I have it and all I did was ask for it. As stated by Downandup she is popular and by all reports on the far superior site she is active.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2411272]Hello fellow punters. My brother is coming with me to the LOS for the first time. Since it has been a number of years since I have visited venues such as this, I am out of the loop. I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

JB.[/QUOTE]There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2411415]You can contact her on TF and ask her. Are you actually in Pattaya because talking to her way ahead of your visit is the best way to never meet her.[/QUOTE]+1.

Never contact a girl until you are in Pattaya. Some will block you if you do that.

[QUOTE=Cool;2411574]There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.[/QUOTE]I believe they had to stop the show. There are touts on walking street for this not sure if legit or not.

[QUOTE=Cool;2411574]There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.[/QUOTE]That was Worldwide agogo but they closed shop years ago.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2411780]That was Worldwide agogo but they closed shop years ago.[/QUOTE]Wasn't WorldWide A-GO-GO on Beach Road. He might have meant Silver Star. There used to be a sign for shows at the south fork of Soi Diamond & Walking across from be. J. 3 Beer Bar.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2411272]I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description.[/QUOTE]There is only 1 place in Pattaya that openly advertises Patpong ping pong type of shows (ping pong, blow darts, lesbian shows, etc).

You can't miss the touts. They start on Beach Road. They are all over Walking Street. I believe the name of the go-go is Playgirl. It is upstairs on Walking Street.

I've never been there. You probably will be hassled for drinks by the girls. If you say no, they don't normally bother you too much. Those type of shows are boring after the first 5 times. But if you bring your brother or friend for the first time, you must go. I don't see people complaining or the tourist police hanging over there, so my guess is that it isn't a total mafia scam like it was 20 years ago in the side soi's of Patpong.

My guess is that it's like the Patpong type of shows in Phuket. The first beer was about 20 something dolllar. Then the next beer was normal at about $5. I was told that by Thai law, all prices must be posted. Check both sides of the menu, and read the fine print. In Phuket, the exposed side of the menu had the prices of the second drink. The other side had the prices of the first drink. Many people probably ordered without knowing the price of the first drink. They can't really complain because the prices are posted.

Has anyone gone to Playgirl go-go?

Banana Boi listed raunchy go-gos (Windmill, Kink upstairs, Dollhouse). I would go to those. You can lick and finger to your heart's content. BB knows his go-gos!

[QUOTE=Breadman;2410596][URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Fallys[/URL].[/QUOTE]Pretty much spot on review. Just to add that she's only available during the day, after sending her kids to school, at least that was the case till last July. She is a no nonsense lady, & focused on getting her work done. 1500 be for ST is what she charges on an average, & she told me she's not up for LLT as she has to cater to her family by evening. Rest, YMMV.

I haven't seen Ping Pong shows in Pattaya. Upstairs in Kink, there's an older lady who shoots ice cubes from her puss into a bowl. There's another one at the Silver Star, soi 7 who shoots ice cubes into a beer glass. Then makes you drink it. LOL (According to a friend.) I've seen a dart show in Crazy House, Bangkok. They were popping balloons with them.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2411937]Banana Boi listed raunchy go-gos (Windmill, Kink upstairs, Dollhouse). I would go to those. You can lick and finger to your heart's content. BB knows his go-gos![/QUOTE]Isn't postbox pretty much in the same league? Can play on prem but it is not a go go.

[QUOTE=YearOfMonk;2411955]Pretty much spot on review. Just to add that she's only available during the day, after sending her kids to school, at least that was the case till last July. She is a no nonsense lady, & focused on getting her work done. 1500 be for ST is what she charges on an average, & she told me she's not up for LLT as she has to cater to her family by evening. Rest, YMMV.[/QUOTE]It is funny that except for the price, you just described the routine of a Beach Road chick. But for some reason everyone is afraid of them. They get off work, then take care of their kids with dinner and shit, run out to the beach to make some money, then go back home. And to top that off, the same Beach Road girls are on thaifriendly as well, but there are guys that would take them off tf, but not off Beach Road.

I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.

What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.

Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2412378]It is funny that except for the price, you just described the routine of a Beach Road chick. But for some reason everyone is afraid of them. They get off work, then take care of their kids with dinner and shit, run out to the beach to make some money, then go back home. And to top that off, the same Beach Road girls are on thaifriendly as well, but there are guys that would take them off tf, but not off Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Yep, I've spotted a good number of BR girls on the ThaiFriendly site. I find it amusing watching them at work on the beach continuously looking at their phone checking to see any activity on their TF account as well.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2412470]I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.

What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.

Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that! Let's see, clear immigration. Get bags. Now looking at 8 am. 1. 5-3 HR ride to Pattaya. You're so much better just grabbing a cab, cheap room in BKK and heading to Soi 4 or a massage place. Why take the chance of missing your flight? Especially since you can find anything in BKK that you can in Pattaya. I wouldn't even go down if I had 24 hrs.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2412470]I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.

What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]Plenty of day time action in Pattaya, but why waste hours in taxi each way for travel from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya? Plenty of brothels / massage / BJ bars in BKK between Nana and Phrom Phong.

Anyway Pattaya day time soi6, soi honey, soi chaiyapoon, bodymassage and all the G. Clubs and BJ bars scattered around town.

Can anyone recommend a place or provider for erotic couples massage. We are especially looking for a place that has good massage and facilities and provides good service for happy ending for guy and girl. Thanks!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2412603]Plenty of day time action in Pattaya, but why waste hours in taxi each way for travel from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya? Plenty of brothels / massage / BJ bars in BKK between Nana and Phrom Phong.

Anyway Pattaya day time soi6, soi honey, soi chaiyapoon, bodymassage and all the G. Clubs and BJ bars scattered around town.[/QUOTE]This is so true great advice unless you want to spend resting and all jetlag in the taxi, you are talking a good two-hour ride each way, 4-5 hours lost from your 16 and let's say you get a good deal for each direction 1000 baht that is 2000 baht lost.

You can get a taxi to the Nana area, 200-400 baht, get a cheap room on one of the side Soi 500-700 clean up shower and head out for a bite to end, get a foot or Thai massage with a Happy ending if you desire or just wait until places start to open up and follow Christian G. Advice. Too many choices instead of spending it in traffic, it really is a no brainer!

Anyone been to JP Republic on Soi Lucky Star, Walking Street? I have gogo girls sending me Line messages to go.

[QUOTE=GabrielJacob;2412637]Can anyone recommend a place or provider for erotic couples massage. We are especially looking for a place that has good massage and facilities and provides good service for happy ending for guy and girl. Thanks![/QUOTE]Are you looking for two female masseuses, or a masseuse and a masseur?

SL.

[QUOTE=Jwdub;2412535]Yep, I've spotted a good number of BR girls on the ThaiFriendly site. I find it amusing watching them at work on the beach continuously looking at their phone checking to see any activity on their TF account as well.[/QUOTE]LOL I overheard a lb talking on line on beach Road last night saying. "I'm looking for husband" LOL comical.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2412470]I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.

What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.

Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]For Bangkok or Pattaya that's a tough one. If you know where you're going and doing it might work. The freelancers are sleeping. MP's are open but afternoon is best. In pattaya soi 6 opens afternoon. Soi 13/1-13/2 has some skanky gogo's and good MP's. You might catch a good FL on beach Road or not. Bus to Pattaya is a big time killer and you don't have any so take taxi if you go there. You could line up a girl ahead of time on TF and meet her. If it were me I'd do Bangkok and hit soi 24 at phrom phong bts. If I absolutely had to see pattaya (and I wouldn't) I'd arrange a taxi and go to Soi 13/2, Soi Chaipoon, or Soi 6. Actually Soi Chaipoon in Pattaya would work there's a good gentlemen's club opens early. In afternoon I'd hit up Soi 6 and walk beach Road.

Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2412659]This is so true great advice unless you want to spend resting and all jetlag in the taxi, you are talking a good two-hour ride each way, 4-5 hours lost from your 16 and let's say you get a good deal for each direction 1000 baht that is 2000 baht lost.

You can get a taxi to the Nana area, 200-400 baht, get a cheap room on one of the side Soi 500-700 clean up shower and head out for a bite to end, get a foot or Thai massage with a Happy ending if you desire or just wait until places start to open up and follow Christian G. Advice. Too many choices instead of spending it in traffic, it really is a no brainer![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2413173]Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.[/QUOTE]If I assume that you are not going to get a room, then look into BJ bars like Wood / Lolita's / Kasalong, dirty massage joints in allys off Soi 22 (after the marriot Marquis) and then the Japanese style places further along Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2413127]LOL I overheard a lb talking on line on beach Road last night saying. "I'm looking for husband" LOL comical.[/QUOTE]What is comical about that? A lot of people are looking for husbands.

Two female masseuses ideally. But could be a guy and a girl too.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2413087]Are you looking for two female masseuses, or a masseuse and a masseur?

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2413173]Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.[/QUOTE]I don't leave in Bangkok, but Pattaya! Go to the Bangkok Thread, or better yet all the massage threads there are tons of advice as to what and where to go that is what I do whenever I take a break from Pattaya and take a day trip to Bangkok.

If I don't stay long enough to get a room, I go to a massage place with all the ending and shower there even brush my teeth?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2413218]What is comical about that? A lot of people are looking for husbands.[/QUOTE]Yes girls and LBs alike, potentially looking for a husband. Naturally tougher for a LB to find one permanent guy that won't seek to upgrade to a younger hotter model even so often.

I suppose if LB tells a customer, "she" is looking for a husband, it is mainly for some psychological effect, not sure if that would scare away any customers. I suppose some girls may say they are looking for a husband too, but most us would not be fooled, if it wasn't true, perhaps a tactic to suggest she is passionate and has no pimp. LBs are naturally especially prone to exaggeration.

Many hookers are looking for a rich husband or sponsor or three, unless purely supporting a pimp, right? They can't be a hooker forever. Its a stop gap.

Here we are in Pattaya again. Not been here in over a year but the place doesn't change much. I tell a lie, the place no longer seems to have that overlying miasmic cloud of the stench of shit that it used to have. Have they finally got around to fixing the cities sewage system? From the look of all the excavation work going on along Beach Road, it's an ongoing project. I rather miss the familiar 'I smell shit. Ahh, it's good to be in Pattaya again' feeling.

I'm staying, as usual, at VT six. It's the best located hotel that's not a hotel in town, right next door to the swanky Hilton and a few steps to the Royal Festival Mall. It's not that cheap, probably on par with a mid-level hotel but the rooms are large and well equipped and the views across Pattaya Bay are tremendous. I like to sit like a lord on the big balcony and thumb my nose at the hoi polloi scampering like ants far beneath me on Beach Road (okay I know that ants do not scamper but you get my drift).

Last night I walked along Beach Road as far as Soi Six. The last time that I was here, I was accompanying my adult son, who was desperate to lose his paid for BJ cherry. He had already amazed me by pulling two freebies in the first three days of our stay in Pattaya. One was a not bad looking Thai MILF in her mid to late twenties and the other a slightly podgy but fuckable Russian tourist. But he wanted Thai blowjob bar ticked off his bucket list so we headed up (or is it down?) to Soi Six. And a surreal exercise it was too, sitting drinking a beer in a Thai Bar whilst merely feet away I could here the unmistakable sounds of my boy been sucked off by a young and quite attractive bargirl. Life is full of surprises and new sensations and you should embrace the novel and different.

I did not monger at all on that week long trip (for obvious reasons) and I'm not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not. You might think what is the point of making the trip to this place if I wasn't going to taste the forbidden fruit? Good question. My extensive worldwide experiences of the past 3 to 4 years seem to have spoiled me to the pleasures of day to day punting that I used to enjoy in places such as Pattaya. Or maybe it's the ravages of encroaching old age that is to blame. I saw little to get the sap rising on Soi Six and those that did look doable tended to spoil it as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?

So maybe I'll be happy with a BJ or two and like Bill Clinton, not count them as having sex. At the moment I am happy to observe the going on in a place that must rank as one of the worlds number one destinations for people watchers and voyeurs. There is something going on every where you look. It is indeed an eye opener.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2413725] as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?[/QUOTE]The Isaan squawk still reminds me of a murder of crows, once the volume goes up a few notches it's possibly the most abrasive sound I've heard a human being make.

And squawk they do when it comes to anything to do with Baht and Som Tam.

Good, bad and indifferent.

The sound doesn't get me hard. Many times I've pulled up stumps when it gets to fever pitch.

That Cantonese shrill I have heard in Hong Kong. Painful.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2413725]I did not monger at all on that week long trip (for obvious reasons) and I'm not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not.[/QUOTE]The obvious reasons are not so obvious.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2413754]The obvious reasons are not so obvious.[/QUOTE]Perhaps because his son was with him?

Generational thing maybe, happy to hear his son get a paid-for BJ a few feet away but didn't feel comfortable with his son seeing the full-on debauchery that Dad routinely enjoyed.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2413758]Perhaps because his son was with him?

Generational thing maybe, happy to hear his son get a paid-for BJ a few feet away but didn't feel comfortable with his son seeing the full-on debauchery that Dad routinely enjoyed.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is about it, Ed. Guess that I'm old school.

Although the bit about being a full-on debauchee is a bit hard but probably true also.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2413725]I saw little to get the sap rising on Soi Six and those that did look doable tended to spoil it as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?
[/QUOTE]Issan dialect, which is almost identical to the Lao language, has many words in common to Thai, but pronunciation is changed.

This makes Issan sound somewhat uglier than Thai, but is not as bad as sound of low class Cantonese. However once the Issan folk, crank up the decibels, it does get quite ugly. It clearly depends on what you are used to. I find Vietnamese rather jerky and ugly, just like Catonese is ugly. I find young girls making announcements in Thai language in Department stores to be extremely beautifully melodic at times. It is hard to like Issan dialect when you are used to central Thai. Southern dialect is maybe less ugly but sounds more comical somehow. Northern dialect is a little quaint. All sound better than Cantonese. Happy to not live in Hong Kong or nearby.

In the province rice fields, the locals can be on different farms separated by 100 metres (sorry no feet here), can be having a conversation by yelling at each other in the Issan dialect over the distance. The weird thing is, when they are 5 feet apart, they still seem to be yelling. They can be yelling into their phones as well.

When wanting to converse they prefer to yell over distance rather than moving close to the person for the conversation. Being drunk typically increases the decibels too.

If I am alone with the Mrs. , she seems to be just a slightly loud and exuberant at times, but quite reasonable. When other Issan folk arrive, her decibels seem to rise so much, it seems like she is showing off, and I have to consider wearing ear plugs. I am happier when all the folk are gone, and I can have some peace and quiet disturbed only by farm animals and her music playing all day long.

Not every Issan person is a very loud speaker, and shrieker when calling out, but it is common. Normally Issan people are much quieter when in Bangkok, and use the overly loud volume mainly in the villages.

Many languages in the world sound pretty ugly when you are not used to them. e.g. I watch plenty of TV series in Swedish (with subtitles), and it sounds rather jerky with strongly stressed syllables. I understand German but don't really like the sound of the language, compared to Thai. When it comes to English, even the accent can be lightly annoying or comical, like Deep South accents, or some regions of the U.K., so many variations for the way vowels are pronounced. The new "Dr. Who" is a woman, right? It flashed on the telly, and I did not like her English Yorkshire? (sounds non-classy) accent at all. Switched it off real quick. Most South African, new Zealand, and Australian actors would try to lose some accent for TV, so it does not grate on us. We don't even have to tolerate strong deep south accents on TV normally, nor the most unintelligible Scottish accents.

Could be even hard to take a girl as a G.F. with an ugly accent. If my G.F. had been a very loud talker when I met her, then we would never have got any further. Little did I know in the province she would suddenly be capable of being rather loud a little too often.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2414015]but is not as bad as sound of low class Cantonese. [/QUOTE]Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.

For me the sound of Filipino girls make me cringe. Why I don't do AC or Manila.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414021]Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.
[/QUOTE]Yes I did not mention Mandarin or other dialects. Stunning C*nts introduced the "low class Catonese" term. I know the sound of Mandarin well, but many other dialects, I could not pick with low experience.

I took it to mean the loud jerky stuff heard from lower class persons in Hong Kong, maybe you have experienced it? Everything sounds so urgent there. Certainly sounds ugly to foreigners. Actually their attempts at English can sound pretty ugly too.

I vividly recall being unable to understand the English of the waitress in the floating Jumbo restaurant, and seemed like she was barking orders at me, based on the tone, rather than asking me anything politely. Chinese from that region are not renowned for their "polite" style at all. You don't want to be around Chinese tour groups in Thailand.

My wealthy boss from Hong Kong sounded vastly better when she spoke Cantonese or English. So we imagine there is a posh style of Cantonese and the very much an ugly sounding variation. English could equally be posh style or low class style. Its all in the delivery accent, and somewhat in the chosen vocab, one would guess.

"Neih Ho", "Ho Ho", "Hai" My pathetic attempts to mimic my Hong Kong boss heard when receiving a phone call from her husband, when a typical conversation would be 5 seconds to arrange pick up, and hang up with a bang. They talk about Hoes a lot. Ha ha. Or Ho Ho-ing like Santa. I don't actually know any Cantonese.

In Thai, "ho" is not really a word I think, but "hor" means to wrap up something.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414021]Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.

For me the sound of Filipino girls make me cringe. Why I don't do AC or Manila.[/QUOTE]I lived for several years in Hong Kong and so became inured to the ugly Cantonese dialect spoken there but never got used to the way they shout in your face at 100+ decibels.

I rather like the sing song sound of spoken Tagalog. I thinks its one of the easier on the ear languages in the region.

And yes, Syzygies, Jody Whittaker is the latest Dr Who and is a Yorkshire lass, born and bred. I think the jury is out on her casting as the latest Doctor. I never watch it so can't really comment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2414024]Yes I did not mention Mandarin or other dialects. Stunning C*nts introduced the "low class Catonese" term. I know the sound of Mandarin well, but many other dialects, I could not pick with low experience.

I took it to mean the loud jerky stuff heard from lower class persons in Hong Kong, maybe you have experienced it? Everything sounds so urgent there. Certainly sounds ugly to foreigners. Actually their attempts at English can sound pretty ugly too.

I vividly recall being unable to understand the English of the waitress in the floating Jumbo restaurant, and seemed like she was barking orders at me, based on the tone, rather than asking me anything politely. Chinese from that region are not renowned for their "polite" style at all. You don't want to be around Chinese tour groups in Thailand.

My wealthy boss from Hong Kong sounded vastly better when she spoke Cantonese or English. So we imagine there is a posh style of Cantonese and the very much an ugly sounding variation. English could equally be posh style or low class style. Its all in the delivery accent, and somewhat in the chosen vocab, one would guess.

"Neih Ho", "Ho Ho", "Hai" My pathetic attempts to mimic my Hong Kong boss heard when receiving a phone call from her husband, when a typical conversation would be 5 seconds to arrange pick up, and hang up with a bang. They talk about Hoes a lot. Ha ha. Or Ho Ho-ing like Santa. I don't actually know any Cantonese.

In Thai, "ho" is not really a word I think, but "hor" means to wrap up something.[/QUOTE]Although Chinese American I do understand some and recognize Mandarin well, it is a softer and more romantic language than Cantonese which I've heard all my life. I understand it more than I can speak, what my family speak and taught to me is Haka now been told that is as low so as you can get. But during my tours into China, late 80-early 90's told that Mao and Ping were all Haka.

Growing up travel with my dad and uncles into the village or whenever friends, the family came over the house, your blood pressure would go up to double, ears ringing, just from a simple conversation. When I finally met my Thai wife's family Sukhothai they must have some Haka in them I thought I was visiting my own family. I hook up once with my older brother who was up at the Mae Sai mountain area living with a group many of older ones spoke some Haka after a bottle it was like back home.

The louder the better, it makes me at ease and feels I'm back home with family.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2413745]The Isaan squawk still reminds me of a murder of crows, once the volume goes up a few notches it's possibly the most abrasive sound I've heard a human being make.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Some language (like Vietnamese, Mandarin or German) are inherently on the ugly side, but when it comes to Issan, I think it's all about the delivery.

Many years ago, I took my old man on an overnight ride on a Thai bus, and he commented how the quiet cooing of two Issan women in front of us was lovely, nicer than any other language he heard. He had no idea what language it was or what they were saying, and certainly no preconceived notions about Asian languages (those often get in the way of our judgements). It was the Issan dialect, presumably of Nong Khai variety. I imagine a drunken Soi 6 working girl at full volume speaking Issan would be far less endearing.

Pattaya seem to have increasingly become the holiday resort of choice for single male Indian tourists. I'm not racist and dislike racial stereotypes but I'm not surprised that many girls refuse to have anything to do with them. They seem to hunt in packs and, when they find a possible target, are not averse to crowding her as the group in the photo are doing. I suppose those usually older, thicker and less pretty girls who are forced, of necessity to deal with these no doubt sex starved and horny young men, are used to it but it's not an attractive spectacle to see.

And are they negotiating a discount rate for the team and are the four guys pictured really going to take turns on the girl or three of them fill the available slots and one man stand by as reserve? Or are they just negotiating for one of the party. I'm really interested to know.

One good thing about the invasion of the Indian hordes is that the number of Indian restaurants have quadrupled since my not so long ago last visit. Once upon a time I recall making a hot, sweaty trip on city buses with moaning girlfriend in tow from Sukhumvit to the Royal India Restaurant down Chakkraphet Road near Chinatown in Bangkok. It was the only way that I was able to get some decent Indian chow, being virtually the only Indian cafe in town at the time and there were none at all in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Franga;2367992]Walking along Beach Road tonight, I spotted 3 Indian guys negotiating with a freelancer. Their offer to her was for the three of them to bang her one after the other in their room for a total of 1200 baht. So 400 baht each. She walked off with them so she must have accepted their generous offer. I suppose it beats working at 7-11 for 4 days at 300 baht per day.[/QUOTE]Hey Stunt,

This may answer your question.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2414126]And are they negotiating a discount rate for the team and are the four guys pictured really going to take turns on the girl or three of them fill the available slots and one man stand by as reserve? Or are they just negotiating for one of the party. I'm really interested to know.[/QUOTE]Yes, maybe. My understanding is that its cultural. They're not accustomed to talking to the opposite sex. If only one is looking, the others are there to provide moral support. Then there's the negotiating aspect. You'll also see them holding hands, best of friends, from childhood, probably. They're Not gay, (not that there's anything wrong with that,) It's cultural remember.

Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2414155]Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.[/QUOTE]I gave up watching it after 4 or 5 episodes, everything about it sucks big time, everyone needs to be fired and a new crew brought in. It may be sinking past the Sylvester McCoy days.

Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414268]Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.[/QUOTE]I not been there but I read that the prices are 350 baht for room, 1000 baht for girl and 120 baht for ladydrinks.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/The-Mews-100490514794008/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2414268]Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.[/QUOTE]BB,

I've also heard that Kinnaree the land had sold to a developer? Haven't been up there since the news or rumor to confirm if it is true and whether he plans to move and reopen or just close and call it a day. Shame my favorite GM club!

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2413725]I did not monger at all on that week long trip and I have not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not. Maybe I'll be happy with a BJ or two, and like Bill Clinton, not count them as having sex.[/QUOTE]Monica Says: YOU FUNNY MAN!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2408146]How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.

As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.

I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.

As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.[/QUOTE]This past October during a 10 day stay in Pats I must have checked Beach Road four or five times and I have to agree about the "dreadful quality". For me it was well worth the incremental difference to find a girl on soi 6. That said, Beach Road can hold a surprise on occasion and I still look.

Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.

For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.

And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.

It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.

So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.

So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.

I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled!

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2414746]And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars [/QUOTE]No. As I have said time and time again, there is no need to go to a bar to get a chick in Pattaya. There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping. Why are bars made out to be the end all be all?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2414820]There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping. [/QUOTE]Or the girl starts talking to you first. I was enjoying lunch alone at S&P one day when the bakery girl across the restaurant saw me and came over to ask if I wanted to go to a movie after her shift. She was young and cute. How could I say no?

Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya. I usually stay 2-3 weeks at a time. Although I believe in your observation partly, I think it is getting harder to find the gold. IMHO, there is gold in them darn hills of Pattaya! There is 10's of thousands of ladies here to make money. First, Beach road is hot and cold and takes a lot more time and patience. For me, I am very picky, and walk some distance up and down and usually find a diamond in rough 50-60% of time. Years ago it used to be "how much you give", I would offer low and she would counter and I would agree and we were off to my hotel. She would feel in control but performance was hit or miss. The beer bar ladies I feel has gone downhill and gotten older and it takes too much scouting and drinking to score for my laziness. I experience a lot cute faces screaming at me to come and have a beer and once I come over to see the layers of make up or the big ass that has been hidden behind the counter, well I never had much luck with beer bar take out. Then there is the Go Go's. They have gotten pretty pricey. Drinks and bar fines are up and the ladies are firm and demand top money. No rhyme or reason to it, perhaps many factors come to play in her perceived value. Maybe how successful she has been, or how hungry she is, or what new dress she wants, or probably more times than not, how old, fat and ugly the customer is. But, if you are willing to spend what takes, you are always assured of a good time. None of these ladies want you to go back to mamasan and complain about a starfish! They will be young eye candy of your taste. I have been told there is 100 Go Go's on Walking Street. Don't know how many but every time I come for visit there is dozens of renamed or brand new clubs. This trip I was amazed at the selection at the Pin Up AGoGo a couple nights ago. My gal told me there was over a 100 ladies there that night. I would do 95% of them at it was very difficult picking one. I never experienced such a dilemma in all my past trips. They are there and plentiful, but maybe it takes a little more money and effort than years past. Good Luck hunting!

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2414746]Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.

For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.

And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.

It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.

So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.

So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.

I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled![/QUOTE]

Well my friends are gone and my hair is grey.

I ache in the places where I used to play.

And I'm crazy for love but I'm not coming on.

I'm just paying my rent every day.

Oh in the Tower of Song.

L COHEN.

I know just what Leonard meant. Its just not happening for me in Pattaya this time. And the thing is I don't care because I go to Manila next and if it don't happen for me there, then there is no hope for me whatsoever.

Mind you, looking on the bright side, I did get an okay BJ when I ventured down Sofi 6 again the other night but in Clintonese, that doesn't count. And I've been sending out feelers for a peculiar 'bucket list' fantasy that I have involving a pretty young lady, one of Pattaya's countless creatures of indeterminate gender and me. It will probably be either too difficult or too expensive to arrange so will likely remain a fantasy but watch this space.

Afterthought. I seem also to recall that they are frowned upon here so maybe it better that I not mention it again.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good;2415059]Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya. [/QUOTE]

This is probably something like my 35th and almost certainly my last.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2412845]Anyone been to JP Republic on Soi Lucky Star, Walking Street? I have gogo girls sending me Line messages to go.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi,

I was there last week. It is a disco club. It is smaller than Insomnia but decent. It stays open a bit later than Insomnia that closes at 5 am. JP was open till 5:30 am. Not a bad disco.

Sometimes life sucks. I arrived in Pattaya for a relaxing holiday but three days later I found myself in the hospital with an acute appendicitis. Bad luck, but it's is treatable. Thailand has a good medical infrastructure and I had a good medical insurance, so no problems here. I survived and there were no permanent consequences.

However due to this incident I couldn't enjoy the available fruit as planned. I had to stay away from strenuous activities and avoid body contact. Keeping a fresh operation wound clean is a challenge in the tropics. In other words: a simple B2B massage or even too much sweating could put me to the risk of an infection.

So what could I do? The most important thing after any surgery is to stay active. So when they discharged me, I upgraded my hotel and spent the remaining time walking, talking and observing the streets so that I could still provide a humble contribution to this forum. No P4P for me this time unfortunately. But I forgot that I was in Thailand. Especially, I forgot I was in Pattaya.

First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road.

My previous visit in Pattaya was in 2008. Today Walking Street looks more or less the same though a little less boisterous than I remember. Lucifer? Check! Still there. Ocean 10? Gone! (I loved to watch the dancers on the catwalk at the front). Flower sellers and street performers? Still there. Hot promo girls? Of course! Live music? Yes. Public? In general a more Asian look and feel than I remember. Prices? Gone up. I will have a hard time to get a beer for the 2008 going price.

One other thing definitely changed, as everywhere. Smartphones! In 2008 the first iPhones still had to appear in Thailand. The happy few had an HTC running Windows Mobile. But apps like Tinder, Line, WeChat, WhatsApp and ThaiFriendly were nonexistent. Today there is no Thai girl without a smartphone and they seem to be more interested in their smartphone than in me. In 2008 I could make eye contact with every girl. Today I can pass a quarter of the girls without even noticing me.

Walking Street has been described extensively in many threads so there is little I can add. All major attractions are within the first 500 meter. It's fun to stroll along, watch people, eat and visit clubs. It covers virtually any taste and any budget.

Strolling along Beach road after 7 pm, you can choose from more than hundred freelancers, some of which you can have short time (ST) with for less than the barfine of a gogo girl. Most Beach road girls are within the 5 to 7 range with an occasional 8, and in their mid 20's to mid 30's with occasional 40+s. ST starts around 800 baht depending on the girl, moment in time, your looks and negotiation skills etc. At 7 pm you find them on the sidewalk. At 4 am you might find them in front of you. And when it rains, they are on the opposite side under the canopies. Some girls with a few extra pounds seem to target the Indian market which means wearing Indian dresses and an overdose of lipstick and mascara. With a little imagination, I could recognize them as the older, chubbier version of the freelancers in 2008. Prosperity has a devastating effect on a girl's figure but it's nice that these girls can also earn a few bath.

To P4P, or not to P4P?

The first few days I stayed in the air-conditioned climate of my hotel, but after a few days I decided to hit the streets and have a chat with as many girls as possible on beach road to see if there were any rough diamonds to be discovered. The ongoing construction work made it a little bumpy walk, but after three hours of disappointing conversations I saw her. She was standing away from the mainstream freelancers on beach road and I even wasn't sure whether she was freelancing at all. She looked cute in her jeans shorts and Hello Kitty T-shirt. So I sat next to her and cautiously started a conversation. Her English was definitely better than all the other girls I talked to previously. So far so good.

After some talking with her I realized that was a little hungry and I invited her for dinner in the Pattaya beer garden. The atmosphere at the front was quite lively, so I was glad that we could continue to the other end near the sea side where it was nice and quiet. We had good food, a few drinks and fun about which side of the drink coasters to put up. Her artist name was Aoy and she had a wit and humor I hadn't experienced before with freelancers and bargirls. Gave her a tip for her company. Then the inevitable question came whether I would interested to spend more time with her. I answered 'no'. She looked disappointed and asked me why I was not interested in her. I said I recently had an appendicitis surgery and she immediately understood. "How long ago?" she asked. "Six days" I answered. "How", she asked. "Laparoscopy", I answered.

I felt sorry for her because she invested time in me without the desired result. However she did not seem offended. She got up and said she was going to use the toilet. She came back after 15 minutes. I paid the bill and started to walk back to my hotel But for reasons I did not understand at that moment she escorted me. While walking, she talked about her bad customer experiences she had over time. All cultural prejudices that exist came along. Indian customers smelled and wanted a group fuck. Arab customers disrespected her as a women and treated her as trade. And the western farangs that flooded Pattaya over time were old and overweight. It was, in her words, a question about how much humiliation she tolerated for how much money. To a certain extent I had to agree with her. I worked with Indians professionally in the early 2000's and I never could get used to their body odor, rude behavior and showing bling, especially when they were in a group. As a single person they were quite modest however and when I explained why their behavior was perceived rude by others, some started to get the point. It all starts with understanding the concept that social codes differ between cultures and that your culture is not necessarily superior, just different.

She followed me into my hotel room and I let her in because I had not only premonitions about what was going to happen, but I was also curious about her next move. I explained again that I could not have physical contact because of my surgery. "Let me handle this" she answered "I will be careful". She gently pushed me into the bathroom where she gave me a shower, carefully avoiding the wound patch. Then she put me on bed and now I found out what she had done during her 'toilet visit'. She visited a nearby pharmacy. Out of her handbag came some disinfectant, a sterile pad, silk adhesive tape and some dressing. She removed the old patch, gently disinfected the wound and surroundings, put a fresh pad on it, and finished it with some fresh dressing. Hmmm, what's happening? Is here a nurse or a doctor at work? Had she recognized me from the hospital? Could be possible. I was alone and only vaguely remembered the staff, let be visitors.

Then she went into shower herself. What came out was a stunner. Her hair was loose, perfect breasts that only twenty somethings have (she would pass the pencil test cum laude), a body to die for and a smile you only find in the land of smiles. "You cannot make love", she whispered, "so I will be very careful". Then I received the slowest, longest and most intense blowjob in many years, if not of my whole life. I did not count the time (must be half an hour or so) but the result was that I exploded with all the energy and frustration of the last week in one big orgasm. I died, but was alive again! An appendicitis wound can be painful if your belly or pelvis muscles contract during an orgasm, but fortunately your sensory system is partly shut down at that moment. And she wasn't finished because after cleanup I got a post orgasm BJ. This resulted in a hard one and she sweetly smiled "again"? Hell, who am I to say no. The second little death was less than the first one but still memorable. I fell asleep exhausted.

The next morning she had to leave early and I gave her a big tip (for Thai standards). I wanted to see her again. But I sensed that this might be the first and only time. Got her phone number and Line ID though, but nothing is easier to change or thrown away than a digital identity. When I flew home I realized that things always go different than planned in Thailand, and Pattaya is a city full of surprises. And on a cold, depressing and rainy day I started to write down what's written here.

Privacy.

Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. They see themselves as embedded filmmakers and record girls and customers, without their consent and permission, in close up with hidden cameras or zoom lenses. For them, Pattaya is a big open air theatre where little dramas, wrongdoing and intimate moments happen at every moment, ready to be exploited. They upload their footage to their monetized channels. Others do it for free to boost their ego. In any case, vlogs that invade someone's privacy have become the next Internet business model. And with a tendency of more bandwidth for lower prices this is probably going to increase.

Vlogging a beach road walk is a popular genre on the Internet and because of that every single beach road freelancer has been filmed multiple times by multiple vloggers, is exposed on multiple social media channels and re-uploaded multiple times by copycats. A beach road freelancer now needs a certain level of carelessness and no illusions about a future career. I think this was the reason why Aoy stood away from the mainstream freelancer queue. The P4P scene works at best with a little discretion and it doesn't help when vloggers make beach road (and walking street) videos wherein girls and customers are recognizable and share these with millions of viewers. It will be interesting to see how this will develop within the next years.

At the time I write this report, hundreds of other vlogs about Pattaya are posted on social media every day (not all P4P related of course). The result: chances are high that you will be recorded by someone and find yourself and your girlfriend starring on one of the many social media channels about Pattaya for the rest of your life and beyond. And all of your friends and spouses can ask: "Hey isn't that <your name here? But who in the f*ck was that girl he is holding hands with? I'm pretty sure I appear on a number of photos / videos as I noticed at least three blokes pointing their smartphones intentional or unintentional at us during that night.

Other observations.

During daytime there isn't much action on Beach road. It's Tourist Time (with a few exceptions). If you see sexy girls during daytime, they are probably Chinese tourists or Thai girls with their customer / sugar daddy.

About Pattaya micro-economics: I noticed that a whole chain of suppliers (street food vendors, fake jewelry merchants, flower sellers, fashion vendors, sneaker sellers and so on) depend on the Pattaya working girls. If the tourists disappear, this whole system will collapse.

Soi 6 is worth a visit late afternoon or early evening. You might try the 'spank walk' along Soi 6 where you will be dragged by the girls or spanked with anything varying from inflatable plastic hammers to foam tubes. I had a BBBJ on that first day with a girl called Po in Ruby Club (Soi 6, not sure anymore about her name). I already did not feel well that day so I limited myself to BJ. Excellent experience and I would have come back if I hadn't stayed in the hospital for my appendicitis.

The western expats I met in beer bars had some striking similarities. They might be tagged (in any combination) with one or more of the following properties:

- bald headed.

- overweight.

- 50+.

- 'lad' type Brit.

- tattooed.

- retired.

- ex-entrepreneur.

- hippie mentality.

- divorced or have a history of broken relationships.

- hardly speak any Thai (let be write).

- have cash of unknown origin.

- like to watch sports.

- vague (or even criminal) past.

- binge drinking.

And it seems that the Thai government wants to get rid of them by restricting visa rules, increase monitoring and setting a minimum income requirement (e. G. $60 K on a Thai bank account and a minimum income of $40 K per year, which is roughly 12 times the minimum wage and 4 times the average wage in Bangkok). This (and the strong Thai bath) already forced the lower class of expats out of Thailand, either back home or to cheaper neighboring countries. But for the girls this is interesting information because the remaining (and new) longstay farangs are now worth a minimum of 1. 8 million bath on a Thai bank account and a stable income of 1.2 million bath per year.

Pattaya bar girls are sweet and approachable as long as the money keeps flowing into their direction. But they can also be very jealous and causing trouble. Barfining another girl than the one you barfined on a previous occasion in the same establishment might trigger extreme reactions. (I call this Thai hypocrisy. That same bar girl will have served several customers when you get back, a fact you are expected to neglect). However avoid that a girl loses face. Losing face has severe social consequences for anyone in Asia. But in general the girls must be socially gifted because they can get on with virtually any person, many of which I would stay away from. Even for money.

That's all folks. Next year I might be back for a retry. But Pattaya has become a weird combination of fun and scrutiny. You can still exchange your excess of sperm and cash for pussy and GFE and live in a fantasy for a few weeks. However you might become a protagonist in someone else's vlog. Next time I probably choose a more quiet location, off the beaten tourist tracks. And in an era where an increasing number of males from countries with a poorly developed medical care and a messy prostitution business are filling Pattaya pussies, you better put on two condoms.

Thai Addict, thank you so much for the fun read. I never read long posts in their entirety but yours was easy to get through, not to mention entertaining and accurate. Sorry to hear about your ill timed surgery. Looking forward to your hopeful return next year.

The only part I have to disagree with is the losing face thing. The girls are more affected by losing money than face. I have never had a gogo girl openly get mad at me for taking another girl at hers or another bar. Still super friendly to me as long as they see the hopes of them getting a lady drink or me taking them out again down the road.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2417938]The only part I have to disagree with is the losing face thing. The girls are more affected by losing money than face.[/QUOTE]I just went over that a couple of days ago with a brother in the AC thread. He wanted to know if the chicks in Philippines will be embarrassed the same as Thai chicks if you take another chick at the bar. Where are guys getting this idea from?

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]My previous visit in Pattaya was in 2008. Today Walking Street looks more or less the same though a little less boisterous than I remember. Lucifer? Check! Still there. Ocean 10? Gone! (I loved to watch the dancers on the catwalk at the front). Flower sellers and street performers? Still there. [/QUOTE]And the funny thing is that it is still some of the same people. The little girl that did the contortionist shit is now a grown woman doing contortionist shit. I showed her a picture that I took back then of her and the guy that is always with her.

Thai Addict, thanks for the entertaining read. However, unless you are talking about a currency other than $USD or I have missed some shocking new income requirement, perhaps targeting Pattaya expats in particular, your numbers on the topic of expat/retirement income visa requirements are wildly inaccurate.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]...

And it seems that the Thai government wants to get rid of them by restricting visa rules, increase monitoring and setting a minimum income requirement (e. G. $60 K on a Thai bank account and a minimum income of $40 K per year, which is roughly 12 times the minimum wage and 4 times the average wage in Bangkok). This (and the strong Thai bath) already forced the lower class of expats out of Thailand, either back home or to cheaper neighboring countries. But for the girls this is interesting information because the remaining (and new) longstay farangs are now worth a minimum of 1. 8 million bath on a Thai bank account and a stable income of 1.2 million bath per year.

...[/QUOTE]As far as I know, the income requirement for a Thai retirement visa is still THB800,000 in a Thai bank account OR (not "and") THB65,000 per month in Foreign Transfers into your Thai bank account (THB780,000 per year) OR a combination of the two that roughly equals the same annual amount.

At today's exchange rate, that would come to approximately $27,000 USD in a Thai bank account OR (not "and") $2,200 USD per month in Foreign Transfers into your Thai bank account ($26,400 USD per year) OR a combination of the two that roughly equals the same annual amount.

Just a quick question. This is my last day in Pattaya. I was wondering if anyone knew where in Pattaya I may get a prostate message? I appreciate everyones help as always.

Stay safe,

JB.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2418005]I was wondering if anyone knew where in Pattaya I may get a prostate message?[/QUOTE]JB, pretty soon someone is going to state the obvious.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]
First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road. Today there is no Thai girl without a smartphone and they seem to be more interested in their smartphone than in me. In 2008 I could make eye contact with every girl. Today I can pass a quarter of the girls without even noticing me.

Walking Street has been described extensively in many threads so there is little I can add. All major attractions are within the first 500 meter. It's fun to stroll along, watch people, eat and visit clubs. It covers virtually any taste and any budget.

Strolling along Beach road after 7 pm, you can choose from more than hundred freelancers, some of which you can have short time (ST) with for less than the barfine of a gogo girl. Most Beach road girls are within the 5 to 7 range with an occasional 8, and in their mid 20's to mid 30's with occasional 40+s.
Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. I'm pretty sure I appear on a number of photos / videos as I noticed at least three blokes pointing their smartphones intentional or unintentional at us during that night.

Soi 6 is worth a visit late afternoon or early evening. You might try the 'spank walk' along Soi 6 where you will be dragged by the girls or spanked with anything varying from inflatable plastic hammers to foam tubes. And in an era where an increasing number of males from countries with a poorly developed medical care and a messy prostitution business are filling Pattaya pussies, you better put on two condoms.[/QUOTE]A truly terrific post and read.

I recently visited Pattaya for 2 nights only and it was my first time.

I have to say it will be the one and only visit for me and you have perfectly set out why that will be. There are much more relaxed other options around Thailand. I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.

Soi 6 was far better fun for me. I didn't spend enough time doing the Beach road walk having read your post. Lovely story about the great and sensitive girl you found. That was a find.

I ended up using the soapies instead and I have to say the collection of 4 of them close to one another was excellent. All had very nice options but of course you don't get to talk to the girl and build any sort of connection before the fun. But I found the standard of ladies available much higher than in gogos or pool bars. It's more expensive but then perhaps that reflects the higher quality. I just didn't want to spend hours seeking out one stunner in 1000 bars.

I'm afraid for me, and of course we all differ in our tastes (which is good), the ability to go to a great beach, and the far more relaxed areas in say Koh Samui, and even Phuket (outside of Patong Beach) are better options than Pattaya. Walking street would be a last resort for me and only if the soapies were not open!

Didn't know about the expat restrictions and if they come to fruition in a more structured way I agree it will kill the resort.

Hope you post again after your next trip as this report was a great read. Good luck with the recovery from the op!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2418050]I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.<snip>

But I found the standard of ladies available much higher than in gogos or pool bars. It's more expensive but then perhaps that reflects the higher quality<snip>

the ability to go to a great beach, and the far more relaxed areas in say Koh Samui, and even Phuket (outside of Patong Beach) are better options than Pattaya. Walking street would be a last resort for me and only if the soapies were not open![/QUOTE]If you don't want to be seen with a girl on Walking Street you can always just barfine her then have her meet you at a hotel. Gogo girls at the bars I discuss on here aren't runners so you don't have to worry about her not showing up. Oddly you think Soi 6 has no cameras? You see all those cars that drive down Soi 6. You don't think the guys in the cars are not filming the girls and you?

Sure for privacy a soapie may give you more privacy but guys film in those as well. We all have different tastes but you are the first person I know who preferred the soapie girls over top looking gogo girls in Pattaya. May I ask which gogo bars you went to?

No one is going to Pattaya for a beach. If I wanted a beach there are much better destinations in the world than Thailand.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]Pattaya bar girls are sweet and approachable as long as the money keeps flowing into their direction. But they can also be very jealous and causing trouble. Barfining another girl than the one you barfined on a previous occasion in the same establishment might trigger extreme reactions. [/QUOTE]Never had these problems in 14 years of holidays in Thailand. In my experiences jealousy and problems are often due to customers' attitudes towards girls, many guys looking alot for GFE and spend alot of time with the girl therefore the girl thinks she has found a possible sponsor. Let your girls know that you are a butterfly and save jealousy problem. I remember that years ago at the stalls there were t-shirts with the writing "find, fuck, forget" one of the best rule in Pattaya. LOL.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]
Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. They see themselves as embedded filmmakers and record girls and customers, without their consent and permission, in close up with hidden cameras or zoom lenses. For them, Pattaya is a big open air theatre where little dramas, wrongdoing and intimate moments happen at every moment, ready to be exploited. They upload their footage to their monetized channels. Others do it for free to boost their ego. In any case, vlogs that invade someone's privacy have become the next Internet business model. And with a tendency of more bandwidth for lower prices this is probably going to increase.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2418050] I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.[/QUOTE]We talked about this not long ago in the Thai section, there are no safe places, there are idiots everywhere with hidden cameras. If you are too worried about this Pattaya is probably not the place for you. Anyway for avoid to be caught on a video with your conquest just order a girl with Thaifriendly, tinder, badoo, wechat, etc give her your hotel address and room number and she will come straight to your room.

Hi guys,

Thank you for reading and commenting my post. Just a few comments to your comments:

Eih Tooms: The figures I give are correct but there are many types of visa and there is much confusion on the Internet. My figures came straight from the Thai embassy website and are still valid. My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? These apply to the financial data you mentioned.

A 50+ retiree applies for a different visa than a 20+ digital nomad. Both have their own challenges. If this forum allows it, the link should be visible below. If not go to thaiembdc dot org, choose your country of origin and look for the "O-X" or "O-A" visa.

O-X visa [URL]https://thaiembdc.org/non-immigrant-visa-category-o-x-long-stay/[/URL].

The only reason I mentioned this example was to illustrate that there is a connection between your type of visa and your financial wealth. Maybe I should not have mentioned this as this forum is about mongering, not about visas.

Banana Boi: Losing face is a complex social construct in Asia and greatly differs country to country, from city to city and even from bar to bar. I witnessed a catfight between two girls on Soi 6 and when I asked what started the fight they told me that it was about a customer that dumped one girl in favor of another (probably in a rude way). But I agree there is not much difference anymore between losing money and losing face for a bar girl. There are a lot rude westerners around in Pattaya. They are not, what I would call, a representation of the western guy that most Thai girls admire.

PayForIt: Thanks for your comments and additions. But even Koh Samui now has webcams that run 24/7. Just google for "The real Samui webcam".

At Banana Boi & Christian G: Of course I could use TF, TC, WeChat, Badoo, Smoocie and many others to choose a girl from a photo but as anywhere in the world with these kind of services YMMV. I like to see and talk to the girls. By the way, YMMV comes from both sides as one BR girl told me she was once thinking she was dating a white guy but when she called she heard a voice with a heavy African accent. She cancelled the deal.

Christian G & PayForIt: You're absolutely right. Visiting WS, BR and Soi 6 these days you need to have a kind of shamelessness, a virtue that not everyone can afford (and again: no illusions about any future career in a representative or public function).

When hundreds of thousands visitors are visiting Pattaya every year, the chances that there are creeps with cameras around is 100%. But it will become an interesting situation in the future, all those millions of hours of video that potentially contain a faux-pas of anyone that ever visited Pattaya, being in the hands of less than a handful tech companies.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2418089]My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? <snip>

Banana Boi: Losing face is a complex social construct in Asia and greatly differs country to country, from city to city and even from bar to bar. I witnessed a catfight between two girls on Soi 6 and when I asked what started the fight they told me that it was about a customer that dumped one girl in favor of another (probably in a rude way). But I agree there is not much difference anymore between losing money and losing face for a bar girl. <snip>

At Banana Boi & Christian G: Of course I could use TF, TC, WeChat, Badoo, Smoocie and many others to choose a girl from a photo but as anywhere in the world with these kind of services YMMV. I like to see and talk to the girls. [/QUOTE]Awesome. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to an O-X Visa. Will keep it in mind down the road. No idea why guys would go for an O-A Visa when there is an O-X Visa around.

I think the 2 guys who live in Pattaya, Mr. E and I, both say there is no such thing as losing face in Pattaya. Interested on LittleBigMan's and other expats in Pattaya thoughts on this. I was told all about losing face before I came to Thailand the first time. Didn't take me long at all to figure out there is no such thing. Sure there can be fights between girls over customers but trust me it has zero chance that it's a result of losing face rather than losing cash. It's akin to 2 strippers in an American strip club who fight because a regular customer of a girl got a lap dance from a second girl. I never read about losing face in American sex forums. The fight was about the $400 USD girl 1 lost and certainly not about losing face.

I have never used any online sites to meet girls. I see absolutely no reason to use them in Thailand when there are girls everywhere. Like yourself I need to see and talk to the girl in person too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2418054]If you don't want to be seen with a girl on Walking Street you can always just barfine her then have her meet you at a hotel. Gogo girls at the bars I discuss on here aren't runners so you don't have to worry about her not showing up. Oddly you think Soi 6 has no cameras? You see all those cars that drive down Soi 6. You don't think the guys in the cars are not filming the girls and you?

Sure for privacy a soapie may give you more privacy but guys film in those as well. We all have different tastes but you are the first person I know who preferred the soapie girls over top looking gogo girls in Pattaya. May I ask which gogo bars you went to?

No one is going to Pattaya for a beach. If I wanted a beach there are much better destinations in the world than Thailand.[/QUOTE]Firstly before I respond to your points, and appreciating this is not the Phnom Penh thread, I have to thank you for suggesting it for my trip. I took you up on it, went, and I preferred it to Bangkok and Pattaya though I had a fabulous night in pool bar Hilary on Soi 4 in BKK and after it. Back to Pattaya. I couldn't start to tell you the names of the all the gogos I tried in WS but I'the suggest 60% of them! I'm admittedly very picky. I also realised this trip that gogo bars are not really for me. If I am picking out of LU without any real discussion or chemistry but just looks I prefer the soapies. The best gogo for me was the one with the Russian girls inside and out. Perhaps that just reflects my taste in looks. But the 2 girls I talked to in their were very cold. Very much like the type in FKKs whose first question is "do you want to take me to the room? (I know you are a fan of the FKKs like me). I will confess to this. Even as a seasoned monger in many jurisdictions across the World you really need to "warm" to WS and I just didn't. Too much of a circus for me. I also did not like mongering whilst families and children were walking the street (what are their parents thinking? I have no doubt the Soi 6 cameras were out. But it just felt far less bling and hurried to me. More like old world BKK and even a bit Soi Cowboy like. I think if I had 7 nights in WS I'the get to know some girls and would relax more. But I know I'll never get to that as I prefer other locations. I thought the Soapie options were really very good. I found it hard to pick because of good quality and I repeat I'm picky and for example have struggles in Annies before now in BKK. Not so in Patt. I didn't love the area around Soi 6 but the street itself was fine. I stayed at Royal Cliff Beach. Lovely 5 star and only 200 by moped but wait for it - 650 bhat per guest and they lock the side entrance so you do have to take the girl to reception. Good for security but a cost to factor in. Perhaps this also helped me prefer the soapies. I fully accept you don't go to Patt for the beach but I thought generally the area was quite run down. No more so than Soi 2 /4 BKK I suppose but it all felt a bit cheap / tacky to me. Sorry but just my 2 cents. Maybe I built it up too much in my mind. The Soapie options were excellent, full, reasonable and with good options for my liking.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2418089]Hi guys,

Thank you for reading and commenting my post. Just a few comments to your comments:

Eih Tooms: The figures I give are correct but there are many types of visa and there is much confusion on the Internet. My figures came straight from the Thai embassy website and are still valid. My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? These apply to the financial data you mentioned.

A 50+ retiree applies for a different visa than a 20+ digital nomad. Both have their own challenges. If this forum allows it, the link should be visible below. If not go to thaiembdc dot org, choose your country of origin and look for the "O-X" or "O-A" visa.

O-X visa [URL]https://thaiembdc.org/non-immigrant-visa-category-o-x-long-stay/[/URL].

The only reason I mentioned this example was to illustrate that there is a connection between your type of visa and your financial wealth.
...
.[/QUOTE]Oh, I see. Yes, there are much more expensive retirement visas one can apply for than the O-A visa the vast majority of expats choose. I have never met anyone with an O-X visa since it seems only designed to require a much higher outlay of money (3 million baht in a Thai bank account instead of 800,000, for starters) in exchange for the minor convenience of not needing to spend a few hours for one day in Immigration to renew it each year. Apparently it must be renewed every 5 years for a maximum of 10 years? Unclear to me without researching any deeper.

Thankfully, the O-X visa is not required of anyone wanting to retire in Thailand that I am aware.

I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2418238]Awesome. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to an O-X Visa. Will keep it in mind down the road. No idea why guys would go for an O-A Visa when there is an O-X Visa around.

I think the 2 guys who live in Pattaya, Mr. E and I, both say there is no such thing as losing face in Pattaya. Interested on LittleBigMan's and other expats in Pattaya thoughts on this. I was told all about losing face before I came to Thailand the first time. Didn't take me long at all to figure out there is no such thing. Sure there can be fights between girls over customers but trust me it has zero chance that it's a result of losing face rather than losing cash. It's akin to 2 strippers in an American strip club who fight because a regular customer of a girl got a lap dance from a second girl. I never read about losing face in American sex forums. The fight was about the $400 USD girl 1 lost and certainly not about losing face.

I have never used any online sites to meet girls. I see absolutely no reason to use them in Thailand when there are girls everywhere. Like yourself I need to see and talk to the girl in person too.[/QUOTE]I agree with many things but I differ on " loss of face " I'm no world traveler like you and Mr. E, and I wish it didn't exist but it does and does in many forms that will determine whether you notice it or not?

I've found Thailand one of the most intense or deep in loss of face as I've seen anywhere I've been on a personal level I came within an inch of losing my life due to loss of face and experience a number of incident with bar girls. In my hay day a few years back it was like I was working on a Master's degree the " loss of face " comes in many forms many you don't see like fighting but it is there so many it goes unnoticed daily.

But at the same time, I would agree it is my personality or how I come across to the girls. That might be the reason you and Mr. E, doesn't feel it exist? Being a butterfly or them knowing exactly what you are modes them as to how they come across. Yes in our this conversation we are talking about the loss of money first but if they feel a long term goal is being taken you might see a fight I've seen a number.

I hear this sister stuff a lot here but my generalization Thais don't have friends especially long term ones. Nearly in each case one day they are tight as a lesbian the next they are gone you never get a full explanation they don't like confrontation so backstabbing is their main weapon. Loss of face sadly it exists if you don't see it consider yourself doing things right.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2418470]Loss of face sadly it exists if you don't see it consider yourself doing things right.[/QUOTE]I will definitely say it exists in everyday life. My gripe is foreigners believing a Short Time chick you picked up out of the bar will experience it if you go back and choose another one the next day. How can she have loss of face for you picking someone else, but not have loss of face due to the fact that she is even a hooker?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2418454]I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.[/QUOTE]I am sure you have looked into it thoroughly. However, just in case, I wanted to mention I have now heard from 2 expats that Immigration is waving the health insurance requirement for those who already had an O-A retirement visa before the insurance requirement was imposed. We are supposedly "grandfathered in", as they say.

I don't want to give you or anyone else in the same situation false hope about this. The last time I renewed mine was in May 2019, before the insurance requirement was added to the list. So I will not know from first hand personal experience about this "grandfathered in" deal until I renew again this coming May. I am only passing along what a couple of other expats who renewed very recently told me. Perhaps you can get a confirmation of it with a personal visit to Immigration before you throw in the towel entirely.

I already have health insurance from a provider in Thailand, Pacific Cross. I have had health insurance since I moved here several years ago.. But, of course, I never mentioned it or showed proof of it at Immigration because I didn't need to before. My plan is to bring the documentation of it to Immigration at my next renewal but only give it to them if they ask for it or they tell me outright it is necessary. I want to test this "grandfathered in" rumor. If I am "grandfathered in", I'd prefer they just carry on without requiring it of me rather than get in the habit of expecting it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2418561]I am sure you have looked into it thoroughly. However, just in case, I wanted to mention I have now heard from 2 expats that Immigration is waving the health insurance requirement for those who already had an O-A retirement visa before the insurance requirement was imposed. We are supposedly "grandfathered in", as they say.[/QUOTE]I have a buddy that renewed his the other day:

Just FYI. Today I went to Immigration to apply for my 1 year retirement visa. I had a 90 day visa previously. I took all the required documents they requested and everything went smooth and easy. I pick my Visa up tomorrow. Guys you can do this stuff yourself as long as you meet the requirements. Don't give your money to someone to do something you can do. Try it yourself. 14,000 bt. Man, that's anywhere between 10 to 14 shortimes you could be enjoying. For * I know it's more like 6 or 7 because he tip BIGGGGGGGG! But that a different story. Anyway, I just wanted to share that visa experience with you guys.

I had an NoN immigrant O which requires no health insurance unlike the NoN immigrant O-A Visa that do require insurance. I did the 65 k a month option. I use the Jomtien office. They want you to use the office within the area you're living.

Yes. They wanted to see the source of your income. Mine was S. S and Military pension. Those documents are easy to get. Now on the bank documents it will have how the money got to ThIaland. Like the bank name in the states.

As far as the money source papers. S. S. And Military. They didn't spend very much time looking at those compared to looking for the monthly deposits on the bank statement.

I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.

[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL]

However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.

Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?

And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2418542]I will definitely say it exists in everyday life. My gripe is foreigners believing a Short Time chick you picked up out of the bar will experience it if you go back and choose another one the next day. How can she have loss of face for you picking someone else, but not have loss of face due to the fact that she is even a hooker?[/QUOTE]Yes, guys like you and BB has a particular way from my reading majority including myself don't and it isn't about the game? Once they know you are soft that is all it takes. Now you know I'm not a handsome man and if you didn't know I got no game but in my hay day now being a tour guy for my cousins whenever they are in town seem to have seen it all when it comes to the girl's behavior.

My cousins are those who spend a lot because they have it and don't miss it when they do. In Vegas / Macau they are considered to be Whales although they pay the majority of the time the going rate they have no problem BF girls they want at GoGos along with their friends and paying them well for days if they like them. If you don't make things clear that is when the shit hits the fan. It has happened to me a number of times in the past I got stories you wouldn't believe when I think back I at times cherish and smile?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2418454]I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.[/QUOTE]Just let your non o-a expire, prepare everything for new non-o application incl financials, leave the country and come back with 30 day waiver, and go to immigration to apply non-o with all docs prepared.

Non-o does not have the insurance requirement at least for now.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.

[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL]

However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.

Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?

And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.[/QUOTE]I have used the Bus on my last trip in October. The Cost is 130 THB and I paid 50 THB also for my big suitcase. They stop at 3 Stops at Sukhumvit Rd. In Pattaya. After 90 min. Drive I leaved the Bus at the second Stop and then took a Motorbiketaxi, which are waiting outside. I negotiated 120 THB from the Bus Stop to my Hotel in Soi Buakhao with my big suitcase on my knees.

Everything was OK. Would do it again. When there is demand they also leave the Airport more frequently than every 30 min.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.

[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL]

However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.

Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?

And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.[/QUOTE]My last time I was going to take the bus, ended up splitting a taxi with someone else waiting. Taken right to my hotel, no hassle, comfy, 600 baht each included the tip.

I'd recommend the Bell Bus to anyone. Door to door service and a lot cheaper than a taxi.

If you prefer a taxi though, this company only charges 1000 from main airport in BKK to Pattaya.

[URL]http://www.cherrytaxiservice.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.

[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL]

However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.

Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?
[/QUOTE]

It's reliable, clean and quick for a bus. One downside is that sometimes it fills up early and you may need to wait for up to an hour for the next bus. Stops at North / Central / South Pattaya roads, 2-3 km from the beach (walking distance, unless you have a big bag). The bus terminates at a small station near Jomtien, on Thappraya Rd just north of the Thep Prasit Rd intersection. It's actually quicker and more convenient than regular Bangkok-Pattaya buses from Ekkamai, which only stop on the North Pattaya road, farther away from most of the city.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]
And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.[/QUOTE]

For Soi 8, best to get off at Central Road (Pattaya Klang). Hiring a motorbike taxi or a songteaw down to the beach should be 100 baht or so if you haggle successfully or 10 baht if hail get a shared one (not sure if they run). If you take the bus all the way down to the terminal at Jomtien, you can get back to soi 8 for 10+10 baht on shared songteaws (with a change in South Pattaya), but that takes a bit longer.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL]
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?.[/QUOTE]Yes they are good, but you can also use bell travel [URL]https://belltravelservice.com/[/URL].

Bus from airport to Pattaya North bus station then minivan to your hotel. Booking online only, everything included.

Thanks for the useful info. I always take taxi but this time the flight is way too early so I want to take it easy. Hopefully I will find hotel toom available at 9 am with some extra payment. I agree that Bell service is very good, but they don't start till 8. 30 AM which is 2 hours extra for me. The airport bus is supposed to be every 30 minutes.

However, the 1000 be taxi seems pretty good too. If I could find someone to split with, I would so in a hear beat.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2418637]I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.

[URL]http://airportpattayabus.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I use this bus all the time. The best way is to take it all the way to the end (Jomtien) and then take a baht bus into Pattaya for 10 baht. It will take you down second road in Pattaya or beach road in Jomtien if you go the other way. It does help if you know your way around or at least what soi you are going to.

There's a thread on Pattaya Addicts stating that some girls are trying to charge 1500 on Soi 6 now, anyone on here been asked for that.

1000 is the maximum for me, when you add on a drink for you and the girl and barfine, Soi 6 isn't cheap anymore, especially considering the quality of most of the girls.

The Night.

[QUOTE=Gargamon;2419074]I use this bus all the time. The best way is to take it all the way to the end (Jomtien) and then take a baht bus into Pattaya for 10 baht. It will take you down second road in Pattaya or beach road in Jomtien if you go the other way. It does help if you know your way around or at least what soi you are going to.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. It does seem to be the best and most economical option considering that I will be very early anyways and may need to kill some time before reaching hotel so early in the morning. Appreciate the tip.

I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.

So what do you advise?

And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419334] increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?[/QUOTE]Face masks may help the look of many Pattaya girls.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2419092]There's a thread on Pattaya Addicts stating that some girls are trying to charge 1500 on Soi 6 now, anyone on here been asked for that.

1000 is the maximum for me, when you add on a drink for you and the girl and barfine, Soi 6 isn't cheap anymore, especially considering the quality of most of the girls.

The Night.[/QUOTE]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419334]I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.

So what do you advise?

And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?[/QUOTE]I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.

However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.

Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.

But a lot can happen in the next 2 weeks or so while this coronavirus hysteria continues to develop. As far as the actual risk to you possibly getting a headache and mild fever for a couple of days, I mean. Overall, I would say on the sexual front if you are the kind of punter who is happy to accept covered almost everything and willing to pay the girl's going rate you should have no problem getting all the P4P you want from virtually any girl you want in Pattaya two weeks from now. And Bangkok and everywhere else in Thailand for that matter. As always.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians. You and I both know that the Asian FKK girls are old and ugly. Since 2011 only met one Asian girl, a young firecracker Vietnamese girl who lived in Germany at GT Bruggen. No one on the Thailand forum says Thailand is better than FKK clubs. However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me. FKK clubs also have a 1700 to 2700 baht entry fee for most FKK clubs and you also need to rent a car in NRW so I wouldn't exactly call FKK clubs cheaper at all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2419537]...Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me...[/QUOTE]On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.

BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2419546]People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians.

However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me...[/QUOTE]And there are some mongers, who like me, like both.

You are indeed correct that unofficial prices have gone up, if one wants all the goodies. I remember when I first went to Germany in 2006,50 Euros for a 30 min session was the norm. Now, in 2020, it is still officially 50 Euros, and that's becoming a joke. Some girls have fled elsewhere where they can earn more, like in Switzerland, and the few who remains in the German FKKs require more money for a decent session, I. E something other than a wambam-thankyou-mam.

I myself have been offering 100 Euros per session, for a few years now. But I do specify my desired services ahead of time. It's worked fine for me so far.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.
...
[/QUOTE]Yes, I believe the "go with the flow" and repeat sessions approach has a much higher success rate for this than going for an upfront agreement with a newly met girl. Going for an upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP from a newly met Thai P4P girl of above average attractiveness is a much heavier lift in almost every way, to the point where I would argue it is in an entirely different world of mongering than what most punters even attempt.

Still, "going with the flow" and repeat sessions are not nearly as necessary for me in Bangkok and I can usually get that upfront agreement from a 2nd or 3rd newly approached girl on a given night, unlike in Pattaya. Going 0 for 4 or even 5 in a night is rare but can happen. That often means I will get too many Yes replies to handle over the next couple of days. It tends to occur in waves that way.

So I don't usually gamble with the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok. Especially since a NO to either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM in the room brings any possible sex with a finish for me to a screetching halt. And I will then have no reasonable standing to reduce or deny full payment to the girl. The downside to rolling the dice and not making my point is too great over time. And in Pattaya I am not there long enough to entertain the idea of repeating a girl for a second session on the off chance that she might then agree to one of the only two things that will produce a finish for me. I have brought it up again on a second encounter with the same girl and given some a chance to change their reply if they want a repeat with me and my money. To no noticeable improved result. LOL.

Glad to hear things worked out well for you with the Vietnamese girl. I did see a lot more of them standing on Soi 4 in front of Hillary 1 Bar again last night. So Goatscrot's mention that they might have gone missing for their Tet (Chinese New Year) week was probably correct.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.[/QUOTE]This is very similar to my approach. It just came to me naturally because I like the girls and I stuck with it because it works. So, I never request bareback like some others and that is not to denigrate their alternative methods since it seems to work for them, but roughly 25% of my girls leave it up to me in the bedroom on the 1st night and that percentage rises with repeat sessions. I should add that every once in a while I prefer to wear something with certain girls although I have let passion rule over reason more than I care to recall. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this sounds interesting. I have never seen these Viet chicks on previous visits. Guess I will have to wander down Soi 4 and see what's up.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2419537]I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.

However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.

Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the detailed response.

I really wish that those Chinese groups disappear for next 2-3 months, I really do. One of the infected person mongering in Pattaya for 2-3 days will create a catastrophe for all of us.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the other big group emerging on Soi 6 which are owned by the Chinese. You may want to avoid those as well as they are charging gogo bar rates.

I'm curious to see how this plays out on Soi 6. imo if Mr. Flowers and the Nightwish Group has raised the prices the others will likely soon follow suit. Thailand is the land of monkey see monkey do.

Maybe 90% of the guys who go to Soi 6 do so because they are budget conscious and find good to excellent service for a good price. Just can't see how over 95% of the girls on Soi 6 are worth 1500 baht + 350-400 barfine. If lady drinks on Soi 6 are 180 baht I have no clue how any of these girls are going to make money. Why buy a Soi 6 girl a lady drink when gogo bar lady drinks are about the same price for a girl WAY better looking imo.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE]NW Group Soi 6, Mods, Sex in the City, Offshore, Roxy, Foxy, Kawaii, Butterfly, Where Angel PLay, Horny, Pussy Cat, Nature, Repeat, Play Pen, Nightwish, Toy, Passion, Seduction, Envy, Warath, Avanice.

Soi Chaiyaipoon Gentlemen Club: Orange, Anny and Blue.

Soi Bongkot 8, Love Inn: J-Club and Sin.

The head guy for this group is also the owner of a major website in regards to Pattaya. I don't know him personally but have conversed with him online about a few subjects. I've never discussed his business dealings but have concluded his objective since I know a number of his partners.

His original goal was revived a dying Soi 6, he has accomplished that goal. That goal comes with a price as you see now that goal to have a monopoly? The first once it got going was to up the BF for in-house and out, the major reason for the out I understand is many of the bars including his have so many girls if you take them out the business losest money the ugly ones are left manning the store.

The drinks not much you can do, being a foreigner he is operating legit to a point you notice his tab it is computerized usually means he is paying a VAT taxes as they say doing so his operating cost goes up.

The problem with places like Soi 6, many of the price hikes are due to rumors! For example and this is what I got first hand years ago when things started to pick up. You go into a place not owned by NW, the girls tells you prices similar to NW, the majority of the time it is hearsay. I ask the girl how much BF / ST she quotes me I ask her why she say that is what NW is getting! I look at her and around she isn't even NW quality but that is what they get so that is what she should get. It doesn't make sense right? I'm thinking you got no customers fat and ugly and you want what?

Don't think it just happens in Soi 6, it happens at the GoGo's too! I've been to so many seen so many times I remember when the girls started to ask LT at a top GoGo 5000 baht it started to become standard girls think so and so got it so I ask the same. Then the mamasan got involved for others reason and put this concept on to the menu. I remember 5 years ago sitting at this place next to a American the girl who I knew well, nice body average looks had a overbite get 5000 baht, she got up wink at me smiling all the way to the bank I rarely see her get BF.

Those days BF was one thing today it is out of control, seen it coming when I heard the owner / manager at soft opening for a place called REHAB on Soi Baukhao it didn't last 9 months because his excused for the hight BF was " I had to " when I heard that last when I was a kid walked into a Chinatown jewel store and told the owner " you had to ". Today many of the GG are owned by another Farang group each one is open to obtain their captial back from putting into the place want a return right away. These guys have zero business experience because of that the prices go up and up so high they rarely stay open for long.

In spite of the BF prices you do have a say in what you pay a girls it is really like what and how Mr. E and BB tells it. No matter who you are unless you are a real millionaire or whale the two week millionaire come all this way and they aren't going to hang on to their cum so they pay it. But you can negotiate the rate down but that is up to each of you?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nightwish-group.com/[/URL]

SL.

I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.

Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.

I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.

[QUOTE=AshuScorpio123;2420001]I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.

Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.

I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.[/QUOTE]No sticky finger at Windmill?

[QUOTE=AshuScorpio123;2420001]I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.

Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.

I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. Were you alone or in a group while entering Baccara because they never used to refuse in the past.

And how much is cost to enjoy some time in windmill? I am not a heavy drinker but would love to offer some LD in return for a chance to play.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2420507]Thanks for sharing your experience. Were you alone or in a group while entering Baccara because they never used to refuse in the past.

And how much is cost to enjoy some time in windmill? I am not a heavy drinker but would love to offer some LD in return for a chance to play.[/QUOTE]No Idea why they refused. I was alone and dressed decently. Was not even in shorts or slippers. Anyways their loss not mine 🙂.

I spent 520 baht at windmill. 2 beers and 2 lady drinks. Girl shared with me some kind of pork chips to munch on complimentary. Take a seat around the bath tub. Girls are fun around there.

[QUOTE=AshuScorpio123;2420695]No Idea why they refused. I was alone and dressed decently. Was not even in shorts or slippers. Anyways their loss not mine 🙂.

I spent 520 baht at windmill. 2 beers and 2 lady drinks. Girl shared with me some kind of pork chips to munch on complimentary. Take a seat around the bath tub. Girls are fun around there.[/QUOTE]Likely your ethnicity. That happens often in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2419790]Don't forget the other big group emerging on Soi 6 which are owned by the Chinese. You may want to avoid those as well as they are charging gogo bar rates.

I'm curious to see how this plays out on Soi 6. imo if Mr. Flowers and the Nightwish Group has raised the prices the others will likely soon follow suit. Thailand is the land of monkey see monkey do.

Maybe 90% of the guys who go to Soi 6 do so because they are budget conscious and find good to excellent service for a good price. Just can't see how over 95% of the girls on Soi 6 are worth 1500 baht + 350-400 barfine. If lady drinks on Soi 6 are 180 baht I have no clue how any of these girls are going to make money. Why buy a Soi 6 girl a lady drink when gogo bar lady drinks are about the same price for a girl WAY better looking imo.[/QUOTE]The market will absorb the price raise.

Why do I say this? Read on.

1. Timings: Soi 6 open at around noon and stays open till midnight or 1 am or so. Gogo bars do not really open before 8 pm. G Clubs do not have the same ease of access and quantity. That makes Soi 6 pretty much a monopoly.

2. Clientele: While there is healthy repeat clientele who will gawk at these prices, but eventually pay up (for the reason mentioned above), the real draw is new customers looking to discover Pattaya. For them, the new price is the best it has ever been. So they will pay up too.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2420718]Likely your ethnicity. That happens often in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]True that. I am Indian. It happened in Bangkok too at Crazy house.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2420764]The market will absorb the price raise.

Why do I say this? Read on.

1. Timings: Soi 6 open at around noon and stays open till midnight or 1 am or so. Gogo bars do not really open before 8 pm. G Clubs do not have the same ease of access and quantity. That makes Soi 6 pretty much a monopoly.

2. Clientele: While there is healthy repeat clientele who will gawk at these prices, but eventually pay up (for the reason mentioned above), the real draw is new customers looking to discover Pattaya. For them, the new price is the best it has ever been. So they will pay up too.[/QUOTE]You are probably right about the reaction of overall market to this fairly outrageous price hike and I expect that I will probably still visit Soi 6 with the same frequency as before. That is to say infrequently and only when I have nothing better to do before the Go Go's open. The reason: I was never very much enthralled with the quality on Soi 6 and thus I rarely took a girl upstairs. But this being LOS, I don't expect the quality to get any better since the prices have been raised. Too bad. I expect the Soi 6 faithfull are up in arms over this development. Maybe, if you are a well known customer the price hike won't apply to you. I don't know. Think I will check and see what is being posted on that other forum which we can't mention the name of here.

But all that said, I did meet a simple, Isan girl last time I wandered down Soi 6 and after some fun prelims down stairs she took me upstairs and we had a very passionate bareback session.
Overall looks - 5. 25 stars.
Body 6 stars.
Personality 7. 5 stars.
Sex 7. 5 stars.
WIR yes, if I had had more time - say a month. But since I was in Pat for only 4 for nights I didn't have the time. HA HA.

I will never forget the gist of what that girl said to me right before I entered her pussy, something to the effect of: "I am clean. You are clean. So no problem, we make love - no condom." It was all her idea. Usually I only barback stunners & above average girls. But her circular logic made perfect sense to me at the time. I really liked her. Too bad she only had a 5. 25 face. She was plain, but nice. A very typical Soi 6 girl - slightly better looking than most. And for 1000 baht, hey, you get what you pay for - not a bad deal. That was the whole idea of Soi 6. But with the new prices I think it becomes problematic. Even for me. 555.

[QUOTE=AshuScorpio123;2420812]True that. I am Indian. It happened in Bangkok too at Crazy house.[/QUOTE]It has been discussed many times why Indian guys have a bad name among the girls in Thailand and the reason for that. I was with a girl today and I asked if there are some types of guys that she don't go with and she was very specific about it being Indian guys. I always heard that the main complaint for the girls was that Indian guys are cheap so I asked her if that was the case for her not to like Indians. She said that being cheap wasn't the real problem but rather that Indian guys are disrespectful in general. That was her experience and she gave me one example to that.

One Indian guy that she was with wanted her to come with him to some clubs in Walking Street. Before going they had talked about many things and one thing was that she mentioned that she didn't like to drink alcohol. Despite the fact that the guy knew this he more or less demanded that the girl should drink with him when being in the club. She thought the guy was very disrespectful for not accepting the fact that the girl didn't want to drink anything with alcohol. I asked what she did and she went to the toilet and from there she just left the club and wanted to never again have nothing to do with the guy. Being so disrespectful was typical for Indian guys in her experience and because of that she doesn't go with Indian guys at all.

The girl was a very sweet girl and I found her in Beach Road and she comes to work Fridays and Saturdays only. She lives in Bangkok and studies computer programming for four years. The girl was exceptionally nice and sweet and we sat and talked for a long time before having sex. I will meet her tomorrow again on her last working day in Pattaya, before she goes back to Bangkok for studies next week. She just turned 20 a couple months ago and around 20 years old is the perfect age for me for girls.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE]Its getting to the point one needs to totally avoid any bar in Pattaya. Plenty of girls available online. Badoo, thaifriendly and Tinder.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421020]It has been discussed many times why Indian guys have a bad name among the girls in Thailand and the reason for that. I was with a girl today and I asked if there are some types of guys that she don't go with and she was very specific about it being Indian guys. I always heard that the main complaint for the girls was that Indian guys are cheap so I asked her if that was the case for her not to like Indians. She said that being cheap wasn't the real problem but rather that Indian guys are disrespectful in general. That was her experience and she gave me one example to that.

One Indian guy that she was with wanted her to come with him to some clubs in Walking Street. Before going they had talked about many things and one thing was that she mentioned that she didn't like to drink alcohol. Despite the fact that the guy knew this he more or less demanded that the girl should drink with him when being in the club. She thought the guy was very disrespectful for not accepting the fact that the girl didn't want to drink anything with alcohol. I asked what she did and she went to the toilet and from there she just left the club and wanted to never again have nothing to do with the guy. Being so disrespectful was typical for Indian guys in her experience and because of that she doesn't go with Indian guys at all.

The girl was a very sweet girl and I found her in Beach Road and she comes to work Fridays and Saturdays only. She lives in Bangkok and studies computer programming for four years. The girl was exceptionally nice and sweet and we sat and talked for a long time before having sex. I will meet her tomorrow again on her last working day in Pattaya, before she goes back to Bangkok for studies next week. She just turned 20 a couple months ago and around 20 years old is the perfect age for me for girls.[/QUOTE]You go by the word of a beach road prostitute trashing Indians. You should know money is the motivation. I am sure she will go with a Indian and say she hates whatever your ethnicity is. And probably will go on and say how she hates you.

IMHO never believe anything they say. They will say anything if you start talking. Just fuck, pay and leave. As for coming to work only Friday and Saturday, if you believe that you believe anything. Luckily she did not say you are the luckiest guy to fuck her because she walks the beach road only once in three month's LOL. You would have believed that also. Do not denigrate anybody's ethnicity.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421020]It has been discussed many times why Indian guys have a bad name among the girls in Thailand and the reason for that. I was with a girl today and I asked if there are some types of guys that she don't go with and she was very specific about it being Indian guys. I always heard that the main complaint for the girls was that Indian guys are cheap so I asked her if that was the case for her not to like Indians. She said that being cheap wasn't the real problem but rather that Indian guys are disrespectful in general. That was her experience and she gave me one example to that..[/QUOTE]If this girl is to be believed, then the thousands of Indians who arrived in Pattaya this week will all be returning home with blue balls. And the thousands that will be arriving next week will also be going home with blue balls. Soon word will get out that Thai hookers won't fuck Indians because they are disrespectful and force them to drink alcohol. And then the airline schedules will all need to change and travel agents and hotels will go broke. The guy who brings Indians to Pattaya from the airport will then be out of business. And the soapies will close down. And the curry shops will shut. Some how I don't think anything of this is going to happen. Indians are one of the biggest tourist groups to Thailand. They keep coming because Thai hookers like the money. Money is the only thing that matters.

The gogo bars may deny entry to the Indians at 9. 00 pm, but the Indians still go home with same girls when their dance clubs close at 4. 00 am. Go figure. I guess that this sort of blatant racial discrimination at the door keeps the white and East Asian punters feeling smug and superior.

Girls are full of shit.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2421046]IMHO never believe anything they say. They will say anything if you start talking. Just fuck, pay and leave. As for coming to work only Friday and Saturday, if you believe that you believe anything. Luckily she did not say you are the luckiest guy to fuck her because she walks the beach road only once in three month's LOL. You would have believed that also.[/QUOTE]That is not hard to believe at all. I met a chick online 3 or 4 years ago. She said she lives in Bangkok and works at a restaurant, but comes to Pattaya some weekends to work on Beach Road. One of those weekends that she arrived, I went to pick her up at the bus station. She stayed with me for 1000 baht LT, but said ordinarily she would not do that. Kept calling me cheap and stuff (still does to this day).

Eventually she got a job working for some Indian people in Pattaya. For the last 2 years she has been living at their house off Soi Regional Land and sometimes travels around Thailand and to India for work. These days she comes to spend the night for free. She knows I mess with other chicks, just asked that I don't let her see me with them. Shit is not always so far-fetched as you may think. There are plenty of other chicks that come from Bangkok to work the discos on weekends as well.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2421046]You go by the word of a beach road prostitute trashing Indians. You should know money is the motivation. I am sure she will go with a Indian and say she hates whatever your ethnicity is. And probably will go on and say how she hates you.

IMHO never believe anything they say. They will say anything if you start talking. Just fuck, pay and leave. As for coming to work only Friday and Saturday, if you believe that you believe anything. Luckily she did not say you are the luckiest guy to fuck her because she walks the beach road only once in three month's LOL. You would have believed that also. Do not denigrate anybody's ethnicity.[/QUOTE]Mucho kudos to you Sammon for speaking out! People live and learn. I've had girls tell all me kinds of shit against Asians, farangs, Indians, even fellow countrymen. I simply change the topic because I will dump her at some point and she will be potentially shitting me too. I've had the fortune (or misfortune) haha of doing the P4 P scene for over three decades starting from East German beauties in the 80's (before the "wall" came down) and with all ethnicities multiple times. So I fully understand the game now at least in the P4 P world. It's a transaction basically with mutual attraction to some extent but usually a transaction with some exceptions. In Thailand I've had free booty a couple of times, the first one nothing much to talk about but a recent one in Pattaya (had to meet a 2nd time for the booty and what a night. Rates at the top of my experiences) but I'm still in a daze as to what happened. No further follow up but will see next time with that hot freebie who I met at a club with her girlfriends. The female kind usually how to play ya whether P4 P or otherwise. Know this even though at the moment you are convinced otherwise.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2421046]You go by the word of a beach road prostitute trashing Indians. You should know money is the motivation. I am sure she will go with a Indian and say she hates whatever your ethnicity is. And probably will go on and say how she hates you.

IMHO never believe anything they say. They will say anything if you start talking. Just fuck, pay and leave. As for coming to work only Friday and Saturday, if you believe that you believe anything. Luckily she did not say you are the luckiest guy to fuck her because she walks the beach road only once in three month's LOL. You would have believed that also. Do not denigrate anybody's ethnicity.[/QUOTE]I don't care so much about it being true or not, if this girl comes to work only Fridays and Saturdays and that she lives in Bangkok or not. I just mentioned it while I was writing and my main point with my post was that I found it interesting to hear an opinion of why she didn't like to go with Indian guys. I've heard it before and I heard it yesterday that Indians as an ethnical group sometimes are having difficulties with the girl's in Pattaya and to get into some clubs. It seems to be fact and I get curios to understans why it is so.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2421060]If this girl is to be believed, then the thousands of Indians who arrived in Pattaya this week will all be returning home with blue balls. And the thousands that will be arriving next week will also be going home with blue balls. Soon word will get out that Thai hookers won't fuck Indians because they are disrespectful and force them to drink alcohol. And then the airline schedules will all need to change and travel agents and hotels will go broke. The guy who brings Indians to Pattaya from the airport will then be out of business. And the soapies will close down. And the curry shops will shut. Some how I don't think anything of this is going to happen. Indians are one of the biggest tourist groups to Thailand. They keep coming because Thai hookers like the money. Money is the only thing that matters.

The gogo bars may deny entry to the Indians at 9. 00 pm, but the Indians still go home with same girls when their dance clubs close at 4. 00 am. Go figure. I guess that this sort of blatant racial discrimination at the door keeps the white and East Asian punters feeling smug and superior.

Girls are full of shit.[/QUOTE]Of course thousands of the Indians who arrived to Pattaya this week won't be returning home with blue balls and the thousands that will be arriving next week as well. I am sure the absolute majority of Indians are not having any problems at all in Pattaya to go with girls. I just notice that I heard it so many times that Indians as a group sometimes are having difficulties here with the girls. I have no idea of numbers but I am sure at least 95% of Indians have no problems at all here but a few percent of them will run into problems because they are Indians and I get curious why that is so. To me, what the girl told me yesterday was a piece of information that I found interesting to hear, that added something to the whole picture as to why some Indians are not seen very well here. I know it's just the opinion of one single person and that it in no way represents what other people thinks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2421095]That is not hard to believe at all. I met a chick online 3 or 4 years ago. She said she lives in Bangkok and works at a restaurant, but comes to Pattaya some weekends to work on Beach Road. One of those weekends that she arrived, I went to pick her up at the bus station. She stayed with me for 1000 baht LT, but said ordinarily she would not do that. Kept calling me cheap and stuff (still does to this day).

Eventually she got a job working for some Indian people in Pattaya. For the last 2 years she has been living at their house off Soi Regional Land and sometimes travels around Thailand and to India for work. These days she comes to spend the night for free. She knows I mess with other chicks, just asked that I don't let her see me with them. Shit is not always so far-fetched as you may think. There are plenty of other chicks that come from Bangkok to work the discos on weekends as well.[/QUOTE]It's interesting to read your post and you unlike the other guys don't see it as unlikely that a girl will come from Bangkok during the weekends to work in Beach Road. I am sure there are many examples and different stories to each and every girl as to how they are to be found working in Beach Road. I don't see it as unlikely myself for a girl to travel from a rather nearby city like Bangkok, to work in Pattaya. After all it is just a two hour bus ride away and it's cheap to go here back and forth. As a comparison I can mention that I go to Rio de Janeiro sometimes and many times have I heard of girls coming from rather far away just to work one or two days in the bars. For example on my last trip I was meeting a girl that came to a bar called Mab's and she lived in Campo Grande which is two hours away, just like the distance Bangkok to Pattaya. I understand that Mr Enternational lives here in Pattaya and has plenty of experience of meeting so many girls and has experienced and heard of so many different stories, to know that it may very well be possible that a girl is in University during the weeks in Bangkok and goes to Pattaya during the weekends to make some extra money.

To add something to the topic of ethnical groups, I was thinking if I myself discriminates towards any groups of girl, like some girls seems to do towards Indians for example, and for whatever reasons that may be. I actually do and while being here in Thailand I tend to avoid Russian girls and also the black girls that I have seen in some bars in Walking Street. I am sure many of them are fine to be with but I avoid them as a group. I was one time in a Russian club in walking Street and I felt unpleasant to be there and it felt like a scam. Since then I have never returned to any of those bars and I will avoid them completely. I have also heard opinions from others that Russian girls many times will scam you, so I think it's better to avoid Russian girls as a group here, although I am sure the scamming doesn't apply to all Russian girls in Pattaya of course. It must be many of the Russian girls that are nice to be with but I don't want to take the risk of getting a bad experience when there is a rather high likeliness to be cheated. Same with the black girls that are here; I am sure that many of them are OK but the ones that I have been talking to gave me bad vibes so I avoid them as well as a group. I don't know if it is a very good comparison to the topic of Indian guys and why they sometimes are rejected in general, but it is an example of bad tendencies in ethnical groups and what it can lead to.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421193]......... I just notice that I heard it so many times that Indians as a group sometimes are having difficulties here with the girls. I have no idea of numbers but I am sure at least 95% of Indians have no problems at all here but a few percent of them will run into problems because they are Indians and I get curious why that is so. To me, what the girl told me yesterday was a piece of information that I found interesting to hear, that added something to the whole picture as to why some Indians are not seen very well here. I know it's just the opinion of one single person and that it in no way represents what other people thinks........[/QUOTE]IMHO might be there have long history why the Indians or look alike Indians guys are refused, denied or rejected (rather I would not say discriminated). In my experience several times I picked the girl right after she refused an Indian or look alike Indian guy. That happened in Grace Hotel gate, BKK or in Beach Road Pattaya too. When I asked the girls why they did not went with them and answers were almost same and points are as follows:

1. Indian guys are cheap charlie, always try to pay less, even a little of their agreed amount and doing nasty bargain in paying time.

2. As it happens that, one guy make the deal with the girl and once she enter in the room she found there are more guys waiting to fuk her. Some how if the girl agree to give a fuk but paid literately half of she suppose to be paid if they make individual deal.

3. When the group became together too much talkative among to them, disrespectful to the girl and treat the girl badly.

These are the opinion I have been informed from the girls I met and absolutely not mine. Might be these days they have been changed but the phobia is still there. I can remember once I was entering in the Tony's Disco at walking street, Pattya, right behind me an Indian looks guy was entering but he was stopped. Later I asked the bouncer why that Indian guy has been stopped, he said he will not buy as much drinks as a white guy will buy. IMHO sure its a wrong concept.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421020] She lives in Bangkok and studies computer programming for four years.[/QUOTE]Next we're going to hear about Bangkok Thai engineers who come to spend their week end on Pattaya's beach road for being prostitutes because the economy in Thailand is too weak.

All the girls have opinions. It depends on them who to go with and who not to go with. Maybe some had bad e experience with somebody. This could be Germans, French, Americans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese or any number if nationalities who visit there. Yes, sometimes Indians are denied entry in clubs. This maybe due to they have bad experiences before.

I am sure vast majority of Indians are liked. I am sure many go home happy. There are literally thousands of willing girls. Maybe some prefer Koreans only, or prefer British only. Likewise they may not like some nationalities.

I am sure many Indian visitors spend lots of money and well behaved. You cannot stereotype whole people. Especially not take the word of a street prostitute. If she did not like to go with Indians why did she go with one to a club willingly. Maybe the guy was negotiating cheaper price. We all negotiate.

It maybe true this girl comes to make money on certain days. Competition is tough on beach road, They are human beings. Walking beach road every day is tough life. It is the same in like any of the freelancer places. They get tired of not earning any money whole night.

My point is do not post in this forum about any bad things girls say about anybody. I am sure the poster does not want his ethnicity denigrated by anybody. Just post your mongering experience.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2421257]Next we're going to hear about Bangkok Thai engineers who come to spend their week end on Pattaya's beach road for being prostitutes because the economy in Thailand is too weak.[/QUOTE]It seems not so likely that Thai people with good jobs and a good income will come to Pattaya for example to turn tricks (but I am sure it has happened at times when girls are in need for extra cash and when the expenses are very high). But to me it makes sense that a student will do it as a way to get an income, instead of not having to take so high student loans. I was with the girl again yesterday, and had a great time with her, and we talked about many things. One thing is how she supports herself when she is in University and at this point she can support herself and don't need to take student loans.

She told me that during her first year in University she needed to take loans but now she supports herself with the money that she makes by working in Pattaya during the weekends plus that she makes some money in school also. She told me that she can earn around 10 000 and up to 15 000 Baht per month in school, by helping friends in her class with homework and so. For example when some of her friends are lazy or whatever and misses class, she helps them to catch up for some money. This is what she told me and being true or not I am sure many will doubt. But at least she told me that she supports herself with this plus working in Pattaya and doesn't need to take student loans anymore. If I was a student myself I am sure I would be happy to find a way to avoid student loans, and to do some extra work besides studying would be a good way to avoid the loans.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 was so much better when it was all enclosed bars / brothels and was devoid of loud music and the "party" atmosphere. The transformation made a once pleasant experience into a one that I find less than desirable. And having one owner for so many bars is never a good thing. When they were all independent, each had its own personality as opposed to being cookie cutter with only colors to differentiate them.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421546]It seems not so likely that Thai people with good jobs and a good income will come to Pattaya for example to turn tricks (but I am sure it has happened at times when girls are in need for extra cash and when the expenses are very high). But to me it makes sense that a student will do it as a way to get an income, instead of not having to take so high student loans. I was with the girl again yesterday, and had a great time with her, and we talked about many things. One thing is how she supports herself when she is in University and at this point she can support herself and don't need to take student loans.

She told me that during her first year in University she needed to take loans but now she supports herself with the money that she makes by working in Pattaya during the weekends plus that she makes some money in school also. She told me that she can earn around 10 000 and up to 15 000 Baht per month in school, by helping friends in her class with homework and so. For example when some of her friends are lazy or whatever and misses class, she helps them to catch up for some money. This is what she told me and being true or not I am sure many will doubt. But at least she told me that she supports herself with this plus working in Pattaya and doesn't need to take student loans anymore. If I was a student myself I am sure I would be happy to find a way to avoid student loans, and to do some extra work besides studying would be a good way to avoid the loans.[/QUOTE]I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421555]Soi 6 was so much better when it was all enclosed bars / brothels and was devoid of loud music and the "party" atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2421561]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]I am too recent here to have known the "old" Soi 6 but I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business. They see me walk by 5 times a week shortly after opening time when clients are few.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2421561]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]Shame really. 6 was about sex, not drinking and partying.

OK it's not all South East Asians and not all working girls but deserved or not it's real, visitors from these here parts have an image problem with Thai working girls.

Cultural differences in behavior and attitudes towards paying for sex and those working in the business which reflect social norms and caste structures back home along with issues on personal hygiene and call it for what it is a negative perspective on dark skin all combine to often make these nationalities feel less than welcome.

It doesn't help that negotiating price is quite often a drawn out contentious exercise nor does mongering in groups of 5 or 6.

Heretofore it didn't matter a lot to the business side of the P4P scene in Thailand but it's now undeniable that in destinations such as Pattaya this demographic is making up an ever bigger share of demand. Money talks and both the operators and the girls are realizing this and adjusting their attitudes and with some changes in behavior on the part of the visitors going forward hopefully this issue will become less of an issue.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421556]I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.[/QUOTE]I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.

You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.

I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.

[QUOTE=XXL;2421570]I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business.[/QUOTE]How do they know that wanting your business means they need to make eye contact with you? Some people prefer passive and others prefer aggressive. Others are complaining about too many ugly chicks making eye contact with them.

If I like someone then I will make my interest known by giving them a hello and go from there. I won't say well if they are not jumping all over me or doing what in my mind they should be doing, then they do not want my business.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421582]I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.

You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.

I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.[/QUOTE]Mr E and I have lots of experience in Thailand. I've lived here for over 20 years. Gals have been supplementing their incomes by doing a bit of P4 P on the side ad nauseam. Back in the day Thermae would be filled with part-timers the last weekend of the month as gals wanted to make a bit more than their meager office jobs paid them. I had gals drive me to the PB Hotel in their cars. BKK gals have been hitting Pattaya to work forever as well. They feel less exposed and are less likely to be seen by people they know there. Perhaps they head down with a friend and they both are looking for a little extra money. When they go to a disco and find a dude they are attracted to and he gives them some money, then they feel less like a working gal as opposed to putting a post up on finfinfan.

[QUOTE=XXL;2421570]I am too recent here to have known the "old" Soi 6 but I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business. They see me walk by 5 times a week shortly after opening time when clients are few.[/QUOTE]On my trip to Pattaya a week or so ago, I was there primarily to meet and hang out with a friend of mine of several years from Wales. He is 28 years old, tall, blonde, handsome, built like Superman, a face like a young Paul Newman, quick-witted, personable, speaks more Thai than I do, lives a few months of the year in Hua Hin with his beautiful Thai girlfriend and their baby.

To say I am virtually invisible to the girls when I walk around with him is an understarement. LOL. Every other dude in the vicinity is invisible when this guy is strolling by. Eye contact? The girls climb over each other to jump on him. He can easily get it for free or nearly free most places, but he is not silly enough to accept it for free when he knows the girls need money.

He was fine with the looks of many Soi 6 girls. As I posted earlier, in terms if looks, on this trip to Pattaya I saw a few more better looking girls on Soi 6 than I'd seen before. Maybe that is a mixed blessing due to this Nightwish group's influence.

But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.

In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.

He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.

Go figure.

All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls lately? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2421615]But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.

In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.

He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.

Go figure.

All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.[/QUOTE]"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.

Oops! Make that South Asians.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2421620]"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.[/QUOTE]For those of us who are used to barebacking we look to bareback. We did mongering long time and barebacking was normal especially in Thailand Nd Philippines. Still you can find some in Thailand and common still in Philippines. Never in China unless you are dating a girl. Most other countries are No.

Having said that one can always try and if the girl agrees to take the risk so be it.

I would not bareback a street walking girl. I have taken girls from massage places and some are willing. From a go go bar it is a hit and miss.

Not wanting to go bareback entirely depends on the girl.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2421615] Snip. But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl. Snip.[/QUOTE]Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you to come without going bareback?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2421783]Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you[/QUOTE]As a reluctant condom user, allow me to jump into this conversation. First, I am not aware that there is a Sagami 0.01 L condom on the market. The Sagami 0.01 Regular is too tight for average Western dicks. I can't use them. Second, as we all know, Sagami does make a 0.02 L condom. This size is adequate for me and most average Westerners and it is one of the best condoms on the market. I buy boxes of the damn things before every trip. HA HA. However, comparing the Sagami 0.02's feeling or lack thereof to BB is a joke. It is not even close, so although I come to SE Asia prepared for covered full service, if I find the girl is attractive and she looks and smells hygienic, I will always barback her when given the opportunity.

And as I have reported numerous times, my bareback percentages climb to near 75% and higher with subsequent repeats. As a result, there is not one favorite repeat girl that I plan to see when I return to SE Asia, that I will not bareback when I see her. All my perennial repeat girls bareback me. This is why I will spend a good deal of my time and money on condom sex with attractive New Girls, because I don't want to cut down on the widest possible field of good looking eligible girls when I go out hunting, especially when I know that the keepers will all eventually bareback me. Of course, there are countries, I won't name them on the open forum, where the girls are much more open to bareback than Thai girls. I think we all know which countries I am referring to. So, it's up to each and everyone of us on how we want to handle this condom conundrum. Rock on!

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2421620]"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.[/QUOTE]In an environment where the strong sales pitch is "Please take me! I love you! I know what you will like! Everything up to you! I want to make you happy! I do everything for you! Jing jing!" and in so many cases they really do mean it (i.e. Bangkok and other P4P destination in Asia and elsewhere), he found the level of refusal to agree to bareback in Pattaya either in the bar after a drink or in the room where all systems are Go with no mention of a condom and only repeated chants of "Up to you! I do everything for you!" until the moment of penetration when "the flow" comes to a screetching halt, to reach a high water mark of bullshit compared to other places in Thailand.

I was simply reporting his take on it and the word he used. I don't disagree with him. That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2421797]That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I prefer BKK over Pat too for a variety of reasons, however, the last time I was in PATTAYA for a 4 night long weekend, I shagged 3 Go Go girls, and repeated with one of them, then one afternoon Soi 6 girl, and one afternoon Gentlemen's Club girl. I barebacked the repeat Sensations Go Go girl on the 2nd night and the Soi 6 girl. That's 2 out 5. Not bad and in line with my prior stats and I am pretty sure I could have barebacked the G Club gal too, but I chose caution with that one, although she was a charming little waif and I really enjoyed my time with her.

BTW, I had such a good time in Pat last time that I am doubling up and plan to spend 8 nights in Pat in May. What can I say? It's a fun town. 555.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2421783]Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you to come without going bareback?[/QUOTE]I have tried so many of them over the years I must have tried those or something close. It seems most of the highly reviewed condoms are not available in Thailand so I have ordered them online over the years. Last year I ordered some Trojan NaturaLamb condoms on the recommendation of a fellow punter. They felt about the best I have ever tried. Of course, being made of organic material, they only prevent pregnancy and do nothing to prevent disease, if that matters to you. Says so right on the package. Which is why they felt so much better than others I suppose.

I tried them for 3 sessions with 3 different girls. I never finished in any of those sessions. But I did remain sort of erect long enough for the girl to go crazy in cowgirl for a while. I would say it was about 80% fully erect. Which meant all that cowgirl pounding was happening on a dick that was getting squeezed and pulled along the way like an accordian. That action bruised enough of the internal tissues of my dick to leave me with more than moderate pain for a few days afterwards until everything healed. No sex during that time.

I have not used one of those since then.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2421800]I prefer BKK over Pat too for a variety of reasons, however, the last time I was in PATTAYA for a 4 night long weekend, I shagged 3 Go Go girls, and repeated with one of them, then one afternoon Soi 6 girl, and one afternoon Gentlemen's Club girl. I barebacked the repeat Sensations Go Go girl on the 2nd night and the Soi 6 girl. That's 2 out 5. Not bad and in line with my prior stats and I am pretty sure I could have barebacked the G Club gal too, but I chose caution with that one, although she was a charming little waif and I really enjoyed my time with her.

BTW, I had such a good time in Pat last time that I am doubling up and plan to spend 8 nights in Pat in May. What can I say? It's a fun town. 555.[/QUOTE]Natty, I totally agree with you about the value of repeats. Can't say I routinely get takers for bareback on a repeat. But it happens.

And I am pretty much at your 25% rate of success in getting it when I just go with the flow, say nothing about it upfront before I take the girl and see what happens in the room.

But for those of us who are not even partially fine with wearing a condom and, therefore, getting an absolute No to bareback means no sexual finish is in store with this lady, 25% is a damn bad rate of success for getting any money's worth at all. LOL. My costs for pussy would be 4X the going rate.

So that is why getting an upfront agreement from a new girl is the much more practical though surely the much more challenging way to go. Even the repeat option, which I employ only occasionally these days, pushes my cost for that particular girl to 2X the going rate.

I am also a big enough fan of BBBJ+CIM to happily opt for that in the room on those go with the flow sessions that end with an absolute No to bareback. Unfortunately, it has become increasingly clear to me after much unofficial survey taking that girls who are adamant about wearing coverage also tend not to be very good at BBBJ+CIM. There are exceptions. But not many. So relying too much on that option to justify the time, trouble and cost has its perils, too.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2421794]As a reluctant condom user, allow me to jump into this conversation. First, I am not aware that there is a Sagami 0.01 L condom on the market. The Sagami 0.01 Regular is too tight for average Western dicks. I can't use them. Second, as we all know, Sagami does make a 0.02 L condom. This size is adequate for me and most average Westerners and it is one of the best condoms on the market. I buy boxes of the damn things before every trip. HA HA. However, comparing the Sagami 0.02's feeling or lack thereof to BB is a joke. It is not even close, so although I come to SE Asia prepared for covered full service, if I find the girl is attractive and she looks and smells hygienic, I will always barback her when given the opportunity. Snip. [/QUOTE]You are correct in that there does not appear to be a Sagami Large 001 available, but there are Okamoto Large 001 available, as I have bought them on ebay. I suggested trying the 001 condoms to Eih Tooms, not the 002.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2421797]In an environment where the strong sales pitch is "Please take me! I love you! I know what you will like! Everything up to you! I want to make you happy! I do everything for you! Jing jing!" and in so many cases they really do mean it (i.e. Bangkok and other P4P destination in Asia and elsewhere), he found the level of refusal to agree to bareback in Pattaya either in the bar after a drink or in the room where all systems are Go with no mention of a condom and only repeated chants of "Up to you! I do everything for you!" until the moment of penetration when "the flow" comes to a screetching halt, to reach a high water mark of bullshit compared to other places in Thailand.

I was simply reporting his take on it and the word he used. I don't disagree with him. That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I obviously misinterpreted your post ET. I thought you were saying refusing BB was bullshit.

Its more than bullshit its a scam if BB or anything else was agreed to and then refused back in the room.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2421835]I obviously misinterpreted your post ET. I thought you were saying refusing BB was bullshit.

Its more than bullshit its a scam if BB or anything else was agreed to and then refused back in the room.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is more of what the bullshit was, Franciscass. And I might not have emphasized enough what annoyed him so much about the "ad" vs the reality to make it clearer anyway.

Although I don't think he got hit by the classic "Yes in the bar/No in the room" scam exactly. It was more that there was so much over the top assurance of "Everything! Up To You!" that turned out to be "Except What You Want" over a Ladydrink, really at a level on both ends in Pattaya unlike anything he is accustomed to virtually anywhere else in Thailand's major P4P destinations. As am I.

Unlike me, he is generally ok with "go with the flow and see what happens in the room." But he got burned by that approach in Pattaya as badly as I have been there over several trips and dropped it in favor of either getting an agreement upfront or not bothering altogether. Essentially the same as me.

[QUOTE=AshuScorpio123;2420812]True that. I am Indian. It happened in Bangkok too at Crazy house.[/QUOTE]If it is any consolation Thais are the most discriminated against. It also happens to Russians and Arabs in Pattaya. I'm WASP from a rich country and it happened to me in Patpong, "Japanese members only sir". Waving a ฿100 in front of the doorman might help.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2422226]I'm WASP from a rich country and it happened to me in Patpong, "Japanese members only sir". [/QUOTE]Which bar? Didn't know there was a bar in Patpong doing well enough that it could turn customers away.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2421809]You are correct in that there does not appear to be a Sagami Large 001 available, but there are Okamoto Large 001 available, as I have bought them on ebay. I suggested trying the 001 condoms to Eih Tooms, not the 002.[/QUOTE]Never saw the Sagami 001 L on the shelves in Thailand. I understand it would be at least twice as expensive as 002 L. About 6 USD apiece. Ouch.

Comparing 002 L to bareback is not absurd if you compare 002 to latex on the same scale of comparison. Some girls have told me "this condom feels like no condom". Best thing that happened on the market since the advent of Viagra & Co.

Regarding discrimination against certain skin colours, I remember Japanese-only "yellow" clubs in Patpong rejecting farangs back in the nineties. That was during the AIDS scare.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421556]I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.[/QUOTE]Do you reckon any part-timers are still around? The scene has changed dramatically in many ways compared to 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=XXL;2422250]Never saw the Sagami 001 L on the shelves in Thailand. I understand it would be at least twice as expensive as 002 L. About 6 USD apiece. Ouch.

Comparing 002 L to bareback is not absurd if you compare 002 to latex on the same scale of comparison. Some girls have told me "this condom feels like no condom". Best thing that happened on the market since the advent of Viagra & Co.

Regarding discrimination against certain skin colours, I remember Japanese-only "yellow" clubs in Patpong rejecting farangs back in the nineties. That was during the AIDS scare.[/QUOTE]On ebay, delivered to the US, the 002's are a little under $2 each and the 001's are a little under $4 each.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2422122]Yes, that is more of what the bullshit was, Franciscass. And I might not have emphasized enough what annoyed him so much about the "ad" vs the reality to make it clearer anyway.

Although I don't think he got hit by the classic "Yes in the bar/No in the room" scam exactly. It was more that there was so much over the top assurance of "Everything! Up To You!" that turned out to be "Except What You Want" over a Ladydrink, really at a level on both ends in Pattaya unlike anything he is accustomed to virtually anywhere else in Thailand's major P4P destinations. As am I.

Unlike me, he is generally ok with "go with the flow and see what happens in the room." But he got burned by that approach in Pattaya as badly as I have been there over several trips and dropped it in favor of either getting an agreement upfront or not bothering altogether. Essentially the same as me.[/QUOTE]I do everything.

So you do BBFS.

I do everything except BBFS.

You do Anal.

I do everything except BBFS and Anal.

You do CIM.

I do everything except BBFS Anal and CIM.

You do DFK.

I do everything except BBFS Anal CIM and DFK.

OK thank you, see you again something.

Why you no go with me I love you I do everything.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2422273]Do you reckon any part-timers are still around? The scene has changed dramatically in many ways compared to 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]I would guess very few in Thermae. Even most gals on finfinfan seem to be full time pros or thereabouts. The culture has changed here. Thailand is more conservative now than it was 10 years ago. Just look at how gals are dressing now. Very few are revealing in their dress. In 2010, gals were showing far more skin. Two decades ago soapies were filled with groups of Thai men, mainly office dudes and the like, eating, drinking, and taking gals. Now most are closed because it is just not an acceptable practice any more. I would imagine it is harder for a gal to consider being a part time P4 P gal and reconcile it with today's Thailand. Events of the previous decade have dragged Thailand backwards as far as sexual openness is concerned.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1146421-video-pattaya-ghost-towncoronavirus-decimates-tourism-as-staff-go-home-for-high-season/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2423889][URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1146421-video-pattaya-ghost-towncoronavirus-decimates-tourism-as-staff-go-home-for-high-season/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ghosttown? Still plenty of Chinese around, only no longer traveling in groups. Still traffic jams galore on Beach Road and 2nd Road. Ghosttown means there's some sitting space in food courts which there normally isn't at this time of year. Still a very busy ghosttown with plenty of tourists. Let's say it feels like beginning of April not like mid-February.

My fave disco on Walking St was 75% full compared to 2018. I went to Soi 6 Thurs. Evening and there were 65% less girls vs last Sep. Maybe it was too close to V Day. Looks like LK Metro and Soi BukHao is bleak. Most late night spots had 2 or 3 senior citizens in each bar. It's fair to say Patts took at least a 25% dip.

[QUOTE=XXL;2424039] Still traffic jams galore on Beach Road and 2nd Road. [/QUOTE]Yes there is significants works on beach road and 2nd road at the moment.

After walking up and down this road Soi 6, loud music and many bars. A happening place. A couple of previous beers. The girls grab you as you walk up and down and try to entice or drag you into their bar. Pinch your bum or hold your cock and balls as you walk by. They are quite aggressive. Nice girls.

A bar at the middle to top of the road. Met a nice girl, age close to 20, had a drink for me and a lady drink for her. She said do you want more we can go upstairs? I was horny that night so yes. Went to a room upstairs after paying a total bill with drinks of 1600 baht which includes room hire. The room was very nice and clean nice lights display different colours. We each showered separately. Then we had lots of foreplay on the bed. Kissing. Fondle. I stuck end of my finger in her ass.

Into 69 position on the side. Lots of licking and sucking. Then into missionary and doggy style for the finish. Noisy moaning from her was nice. Some nice unrushed sex and close to an hour of fun. Great time very much enjoyed.

I bought the local paper, Pattaya Mail, the other day to read the article about the loss in business here in Pattaya right now. It is mentioned that business is down 70% for some beer bars and it seems much. One thing is sure and Pattaya is far from what it usually is this time of the year, in high season. The fewer tourists are very much noticeable at the moment.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2424325]business is down 70% for some beer bars and it seems much.[/QUOTE]I'm a believer in girl: guy ratio. If customers are down 70% and even if only 50% of the girls are still there, the girl: guy ratio just increased in your favor. Just pretend it's low season when you can be the only customer in some bars with a ton of girls around you. Is that really a scenario we should complain about? Certainly is nicer to actually get a seat without feeling like a sardine at top gogo bars like Palace, Baccara, Sensations, Pin Up, etc. or skank bars like Windmill. Since I prefer low season it would be a fantastic time for me to be in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2424325]I bought the local paper, Pattaya Mail, the other day to read the article about the loss in business here in Pattaya right now. It is mentioned that business is down 70% for some beer bars and it seems much. One thing is sure and Pattaya is far from what it usually is this time of the year, in high season. The fewer tourists are very much noticeable at the moment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post. Never knew there are more Chinese in Pattaya than Indians and biggest customers are Thais themselves in Pattaya

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2424325]I bought the local paper, Pattaya Mail, the other day to read the article about the loss in business here in Pattaya right now. It is mentioned that business is down 70% for some beer bars and it seems much. One thing is sure and Pattaya is far from what it usually is this time of the year, in high season. The fewer tourists are very much noticeable at the moment.[/QUOTE]Another source claims many hotels are at just 10% capacity. Applying Thai logic, this means room rates will go up to make up for the loss.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2424152]Yes there is significants works on beach road and 2nd road at the moment.[/QUOTE]Traffic wasn't bad last weekend. Maybe kids out of school and no 9 to 5 ers.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2424432]Another source claims many hotels are at just 10% capacity. Applying Thai logic, this means room rates will go up to make up for the loss.[/QUOTE]I doubt it. Top hotel sites say Patts hotels were at 65% capacity. The lovebirds on V day weekend surely showed up.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2424325]I bought the local paper, Pattaya Mail, the other day to read the article about the loss in business here in Pattaya right now. It is mentioned that business is down 70% for some beer bars and it seems much. One thing is sure and Pattaya is far from what it usually is this time of the year, in high season. The fewer tourists are very much noticeable at the moment.[/QUOTE]Yes probably on tourist sites like Big Buddha or on the beach attractions. But I am in Pattaya at the moment and I do not find it obvious the difference in attendance at WS. The Chinese have not yet entered bars or gogos. Maybe one day.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2424892]The Chinese have not yet entered bars or gogos. [/QUOTE]

Not from what I have seen. Chinese are all over the gogo bars. Many prefer the bars with 2 floors so they can wai from the 2nd floor on to the main floor. If you see a guy tossing a ton of 20's at girls it's usually a Chinese guy. I'm not talking about the guys who toss 20 or 50 20 baht bills. I'm talking the ones who toss 1000 20 baht bills, then move on to the next bar to do the same.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2424432]Another source claims many hotels are at just 10% capacity. [/QUOTE]Doubtful. Maybe those hotels and restaurants that specifically cater to the Chinese tour buses. For those of you concerned there is a lack of people in Thailand, it's just been announced that all guys from China and India are now Visa exempt.

Re. Reports that say Pattaya is dead. Here is a look at Billabong Bar in LK Metro at 12:30 am tonight. I've likely walked through LK Metro about 1000 times at night and this looks no different than most Tuesday nights.

Hey bananaboi did you just mention Visa Exemption for Indians and Chinese or do you mean the already in effect free VOA. Any source if its exemption? Cheers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2425003]Not from what I have seen. Chinese are all over the gogo bars. Many prefer the bars with 2 floors so they can wai from the 2nd floor on to the main floor. If you see a guy tossing a ton of 20's at girls it's usually a Chinese guy. I'm not talking about the guys who toss 20 or 50 20 baht bills. I'm talking the ones who toss 1000 20 baht bills, then move on to the next bar to do the same.

Doubtful. Maybe those hotels and restaurants that specifically cater to the Chinese tour buses. For those of you concerned there is a lack of people in Thailand, it's just been announced that all guys from China and India are now Visa exempt.

Re. Reports that say Pattaya is dead. Here is a look at Billabong Bar in LK Metro at 12:30 am tonight. I've likely walked through LK Metro about 1000 times at night and this looks no different than most Tuesday nights.[/QUOTE]Aren't they usually Korean or Japanese?

[QUOTE=Sona17;2425008]Hey bananaboi did you just mention Visa Exemption for Indians and Chinese or do you mean the already in effect free VOA. Any source if its exemption? Cheers.[/QUOTE]My apologies it was only a proposal but I'd put money it will happen. Here is the source.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1148889-visa-exempt-for-chinese-and-indian-tourists-proposed-to-boost-tourism-in-thailand/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2425025]My apologies it was only a proposal but I'd put money it will happen. Here is the source.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1148889-visa-exempt-for-chinese-and-indian-tourists-proposed-to-boost-tourism-in-thailand/[/URL][/QUOTE]All it will change is that Indians and Chinese won't have to fill the visa form, attach two photos and wait in a line as the visa fee was already waived for them.

Not sure why Thai goverment thinks this will boost tourism. Seems Corona virus is forcing them to explore everything.

I heard today that Walking St. Will close for may / June for electrical works. Laying wires under the ground I think, or similar.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2425039]All it will change is that Indians and Chinese won't have to fill the visa form, attach two photos and wait in a line as the visa fee was already waived for them.

Not sure why Thai goverment thinks this will boost tourism. Seems Corona virus is forcing them to explore everything.[/QUOTE]What will finally bring an end to the tourism woes in Thailand? Personally I think it will be the legalization of recreational pot. Thailand has already enacted a medical marijuana bill. And there are some that think recreational will happen in the not to distant future. When and if that happens beach hotels will be booked solid and everyone from across the planet will want to be here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2425137]What will finally bring an end to the tourism woes in Thailand? Personally I think it will be the legalization of recreational pot. Thailand has already enacted a medical marijuana bill. And there are some that think recreational will happen in the not to distant future. When and if that happens beach hotels will be booked solid and everyone from across the planet will want to be here.[/QUOTE]Of course. Weed tourism is so obvious a money maker. It amazes me that the Thais didn't go for it 20 years ago. I guess the rulers figured that it might cause more problems with their own people than it was worth. It still might. But if pot had been legal or decriminalized back 20 years ago, I would have spent a lot more time lounging around Soi 6. Ha Ha.

BTW, Phnom Penh used to be a very nice pot destination back in the day. I used to while away many an afternoon along the shores Boengkak Lake higher than a kite. But big money wasn't getting much of a cut from it, so they drained the lake and got rid of all the lakeside guesthouses and inns where we all used to smoke out in the open. It was the end of an era. But it may be coming back and this time with corporate sponsors. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2425157]Of course. Weed tourism is so obvious a money maker. It amazes me that the Thais didn't go for it 20 years ago. I guess the rulers figured that it might cause more problems with their own people than it was worth. It still might. But if pot had been legal or decriminalized back 20 years ago, I would have spent a lot more time lounging around Soi 6. Ha Ha.

BTW, Phnom Penh used to be a very nice pot destination back in the day. I used to while away many an afternoon along the shores Boengkak Lake higher than a kite. But big money wasn't getting much of a cut from it, so they drained the lake and got rid of all the lakeside guesthouses and inns where we all used to smoke out in the open. It was the end of an era. But it may be coming back and this time with corporate sponsors. 555.[/QUOTE]My guess is it is more about easing the public into it. That is why they have started slowly with medical. It is still a very conservative nation. PP was great back in the day. Late 90's and early 00's, just amazing.

Somehow forums are always buzzing with useless banter and arguments, rarely does one find the useful info quickly. When I left for Thailand, I had read that it is pretty much BAU in Thailand. I was shocked to see Pattaya. It indeed is down by 70 percent. Few Russian and Indian tourists, very few falangs. Hotels are practically empty.

Not sure why some industry on posting misleading info.

Last year I went and it was Chaotic. Filled with fellow indians and what not. Coulndt pick a decent catch in 3-4 days I was there. Hated it. Now seems a good time. Going mid March. But kinda sad for the business owners there. Thais are my favy people.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2425185]Somehow forums are always buzzing with useless banter and arguments, rarely does one find the useful info quickly. When I left for Thailand, I had read that it is pretty much BAU in Thailand. I was shocked to see Pattaya. It indeed is down by 70 percent. Few Russian and Indian tourists, very few falangs. Hotels are practically empty.

Not sure why some industry on posting misleading info.[/QUOTE]

The BR is undergoing widening and now parking is allowed in lane adjacent to coconut bar "road". In typical 3rd world country style instead of working a section, the whole road is messed up. It's very difficult to walk on sidewalk as it is all dusty, the pavement is ripped up or apart or very uneven and dangerous if one is not watching one's s step. Also the sidewalk has been reduced to half its size do one has to walk very close to ladies. Can't imagine how ridiculous​ will it be when tourists return. Now a days Pattaya has been hit very hard.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]The first few days I stayed in the air-conditioned climate of my hotel, but after a few days I decided to hit the streets and have a chat with as many girls as possible on beach road to see if there were any rough diamonds to be discovered. The ongoing construction work made it a little bumpy walk, but after three hours of disappointing conversations I saw her. She was standing away from the mainstream freelancers on beach road and I even wasn't sure whether she was freelancing at all. She looked cute in her jeans shorts and Hello Kitty T-shirt. So I sat next to her and cautiously started a conversation. Her English was definitely better than all the other girls I talked to previously. So far so good.

After some talking with her I realized that was a little hungry and I invited her for dinner in the Pattaya beer garden. The atmosphere at the front was quite lively, so I was glad that we could continue to the other end near the sea side where it was nice and quiet. We had good food, a few drinks and fun about which side of the drink coasters to put up. Her artist name was Aoy and she had a wit and humor I hadn't experienced before with freelancers and bargirls. Gave her a tip for her company. Then the inevitable question came whether I would interested to spend more time with her. I answered 'no'. She looked disappointed and asked me why I was not interested in her. I said I recently had an appendicitis surgery and she immediately understood. "How long ago?" she asked. "Six days" I answered. "How", she asked. "Laparoscopy", I answered..[/QUOTE]That was a fantastic report, my bro. Love it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2422234]Which bar? Didn't know there was a bar in Patpong doing well enough that it could turn customers away.[/QUOTE]I think you were on soi Thanya the next street over from Patpong 2.

SOI THANIYA (Little Tokyo) It's located just next to the BTS SkyTrain Sala Daeng Station and is also known by locals as 'Little Tokyo'.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2425185] I was shocked to see Pattaya. It indeed is down by 70 percent. Few Russian and Indian tourists, very few falangs. Hotels are practically empty.[/QUOTE]Lots of talk about tourists down but guys instead of reporting about how tourists are down please report on how many girls are at the bars. Isn't that why we all go to Pattaya? Maybe name the bar, about how many girls are in the bar, how hot the girls were, was it a fly by or did you stay for a drink to see the full line, day of the week and approximate time, etc.

Here's a template:

"Walked in to Sensations agogo approximately 9:30 pm on a Monday night. There were only 10 girls in the bar but 4 were easily barfinable. 5 were better than the average Soi 6 girl. 10 were better than the average Soi 25 girl. I stayed for a drink since I wanted to see the entire lineup. By 10 pm there were about 30 girls total. I had not realized most of the girls were hiding in the change room. I would go back to check it out on a busier night of the week. ".

Doesn't have to be much. I never provided much info on my nightly gogo bar updates but I received many PM's appreciative of my efforts. I personally don't care about how your session went because with a little charm or humor I know my mileage may be very different than the next guy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2426183]Lots of talk about tourists down but guys instead of reporting about how tourists are down please report on how many girls are at the bars. Isn't that why we all go to Pattaya? Maybe name the bar, about how many girls are in the bar, how hot the girls were, was it a fly by or did you stay for a drink to see the full line, day of the week and approximate time, etc.

Here's a template:

"Walked in to Sensations agogo approximately 9:30 pm on a Monday night. There were only 10 girls in the bar but 4 were easily barfinable. 5 were better than the average Soi 6 girl. 10 were better than the average Soi 25 girl. I stayed for a drink since I wanted to see the entire lineup. By 10 pm there were about 30 girls total. I had not realized most of the girls were hiding in the change room. I would go back to check it out on a busier night of the week. ".

Doesn't have to be much. I never provided much info on my nightly gogo bar updates but I received many PM's appreciative of my efforts. I personally don't care about how your session went because with a little charm or humor I know my mileage may be very different than the next guy.[/QUOTE]I second this as I miss the old days when bars were named and girls identified with pictures even, now guys are going into gory details what they did and how much the girl luubs his big dick without out giving any usable intel to the reader seems more like a report to boost their egos more than anything else.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2425940]The BR is undergoing widening and now parking is allowed in lane adjacent to coconut bar "road". In typical 3rd world country style instead of working a section, the whole road is messed up.[/QUOTE]What the hell are they doing? Beach Road was already 3 lanes, are they widening it to 4? That's the exact opposite of what a beach needs, ideally it should be a small road used only for public transit and to supply local businesses.

A few months ago, I've seen a dead pedestrian who tried crossing Beach Road, and failed. Plenty of people need to cross that road, some of them old, many of them drunk. Widening it will cost lives, crossing 3 lanes is already hard, 4 will be like playing Frogger.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2426004]I think you were on soi Thanya the next street over from Patpong 2.[/QUOTE]Let's see what Gin and Tonic's response is. Personally I never consider Thaniya Road as part of Patpong. It may only be a block but it's like you flew across the Pacific. Saying Thaniya Road is Patpong is like saying Soi 25 is LK Metro or Rasputin is on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2426257]A few months ago, I've seen a dead pedestrian who tried crossing Beach Road, and failed. Plenty of people need to cross that road, some of them old, many of them drunk. Widening it will cost lives, crossing 3 lanes is already hard, 4 will be like playing Frogger.[/QUOTE]I've seen large Chinese tour buses screaming through the curb lane nearest the beach at around 80-100 kmh while other cars were going 10-20 kmh deking through the parked baht buses in the other lanes. Always a recipe for disaster.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2426257]Beach Road was already 3 lanes, are they widening it to 4? [/QUOTE]I believe the OP was (a) guessing and (b) wrong.

Beach Road is being dug up to install big drains to try to stop it becoming Pattaya Lagoon every time there's a heavy rainstorm. Whilst this is going on the road is down from 3 lanes to 2 in places, sometimes only 1 when the big machinery is in use during the day.

Back pre-Christmas it was the stretch from BR Soi 10 (so just after Central Festival) to about Soi 13 that was being worked on. It's not a bit of town I am often in, but I might have a wander up to the TQ tonight for old times sakes and to see where the roadworks have got to.

I am coming back and was wondering if anyone knows of any lactating or pregnant providers? Maybe Pattaya will have this sort of option.

We all have our kinks.

Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am.

5.20 Mar 1 pm: The Girl I invited was busy, so she connected me to her friend Am. Can say she is not professional, and moved to Pattaya recently. But she was bulky. Has asked for 2 sessions at 2500. But let her go only after one action.

6.20 Mar 4 pm: Invited another lady Noujine (TF). She is 35 yo, but nice skin, very fair and charming. Some drinks and one action with the best blowjob I ever had. (B1000+Generous tips).

7.20 Mar 7.30 pm: Invited he for LT. She is little heavy (not expected this much from picture though). She owns and runs a restaurant. Took her our for dinner, followed by some wine. Then back to hotel for a very nice GF action. Caught some sleep and she initiated the morning session. She had to leave early to open restaurant. So bade good bye at 7 am.

8.21 Mar 10 am: Caught some some sleep before welcoming the Lao beauty (TF) to my room. She looks 22 yo, though actually 32 yo, slim, dusky and energetic. For ST. Good session (B1500).

Then checked out at 12 noon to head for Bangkok.

Humbly inviting suggestions on what I could have done differently for a better time?

Thanks in advance.

WW.

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited..[/QUOTE]Great report Wonder World! I live in BKK and go to Pattaya for some short 2-3 day trips and I must say I have not explored the Thai Friendly options much. I think you did pretty well, I am not sure how you could improve! Most girls gave you good satisfaction from what I read, I would only say if the girl is not up to your liking / specifications from the start (as in the non pro friend who was relayed to you.) then just turn her down and go find someone else. Beach road, soi 6, walking street.

IMO shouldn't have time travel. Thats the only thing you could have avoided. Anyways how was coronavirus scene in March?

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am.

5.20 Mar 1 pm: The Girl I invited was busy, so she connected me to her friend Am. Can say she is not professional, and moved to Pattaya recently. But she was bulky. Has asked for 2 sessions at 2500. But let her go only after one action.

6.20 Mar 4 pm: Invited another lady Noujine (TF). She is 35 yo, but nice skin, very fair and charming. Some drinks and one action with the best blowjob I ever had. (B1000+Generous tips).

7.20 Mar 7.30 pm: Invited he for LT. She is little heavy (not expected this much from picture though). She owns and runs a restaurant. Took her our for dinner, followed by some wine. Then back to hotel for a very nice GF action. Caught some sleep and she initiated the morning session. She had to leave early to open restaurant. So bade good bye at 7 am.

8.21 Mar 10 am: Caught some some sleep before welcoming the Lao beauty (TF) to my room. She looks 22 yo, though actually 32 yo, slim, dusky and energetic. For ST. Good session (B1500).

Then checked out at 12 noon to head for Bangkok.

Humbly inviting suggestions on what I could have done differently for a better time?

Thanks in advance.

WW.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sona17;2427117]IMO shouldn't have time travel. Thats the only thing you could have avoided. Anyways how was coronavirus scene in March?[/QUOTE]Just been in Pattaya for a week. Bottom line: Business as usual, without the Chinese.

[QUOTE=Zhuren;2427178]Congratulations. Apparently, you also mastered time travel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sona17;2427117]IMO shouldn't have time travel. Thats the only thing you could have avoided. Anyways how was coronavirus scene in March?[/QUOTE]What time travel are you guys talking about?

You are still in February, you won't get it.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2427317]What time travel are you guys talking about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am..[/QUOTE]Bro,

This kind of preparation and planning is not a easy thing, an award winning planning LOL.

For me it seems like you didn't find things in Bangkok or sex is banned for you there as you go Pattaya did full of heart sex.

Don't take seriously just kidding.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Sona17;2427320]You are still in February, you won't get it.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, you caught it right.

[QUOTE=ThaiAddict;2417841]Sometimes life sucks. I arrived in Pattaya for a relaxing holiday but three days later I found myself in the hospital with an acute appendicitis. Bad luck, but it's is treatable. Thailand has a good medical infrastructure and I had a good medical insurance, so no problems here. I survived and there were no permanent consequences.

However due to this incident I couldn't enjoy the available fruit as planned. I had to stay away from strenuous activities and avoid body contact. Keeping a fresh operation wound clean is a challenge in the tropics. In other words: a simple B2B massage or even too much sweating could put me to the risk of an infection.

So what could I do? The most important thing after any surgery is to stay active. So when they discharged me, I upgraded my hotel and spent the remaining time walking, talking and observing the streets so that I could still provide a humble contribution to this forum. No P4P for me this time unfortunately. But I forgot that I was in Thailand. Especially, I forgot I was in Pattaya.

First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road..[/QUOTE]Firstly you write very nice report, nowadays we can see lot of people around tourist areas making videos for their vlogs, recording everything without consent of person.

Thailand is more flooded now, so people searching stuff in Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia and few places in Asia.

I started out today trying to get my cell phone a local SIM card and some data. That turned out to be kind of difficult with no Thai knowledge. I got the card, but no internet. The guy pointed me up the street and indicated that I need to pay. I needed to charge the phone. I wandered up the street but didn't see a cell phone store and asked another vendor. After some sign language and pointing at my non-working phone they pointed me to a little stand that looked like they were providing financial services of some kind. First it was a no-go because I didn't remember which service provider my SIM card was for and then I didn't know my new phone number. So I was going back and forth down the street and working with the guy who sold me the SIM card to get the answers. After all that it still didn't work until a sequence of symbols and numbers was typed into the phone to activate an amount on the phone.

Now that I got. Working phone I used it to track down a ATM to withdraw money. I have a Capital One checking account that doesn't charge international fees etc.

So off I go looking for trouble and found it by using sugarbook ([URL]https://sugarbook.com/[/URL]). Skinny Vinnie who quoted me 5000 baht and of course I didn't negotiate down to 3000 baht like I should have. And when we get to the room she asks for payment up front. Now I should have negotiated all this beforehand but didn't. So I get what is coming to me in spades. I tried the "if you do a great job you get a great tip, not good then no tip. " So she proceeds to ask for another 5000 baht. Wait, that's not the way this is supposed to go!

After lunch and a rest I walked over to a unknown massage shop. The ladies at reception were nice and asked me to sit down and wait for the introductions. Kind of to my surprise the lady behind the desk got up and introduced herself first. She was seriously pretty and she was flirting with me as the second lady came in to introduce herself. Then I was asked to choose. Yeah only two. Well I picked the receptionist of course. And let me tell you I made the right choice. We started out dancing together. She slowly stripped off her clothes as we continued to dance together. Well the rest of the time was spent not totally GFE but with great enthusiasm. We pretty much finished when I gave her the big O. After that I was too tired to do more although she was willing.

Lesson learned: unless you have great negotiating skills (which I don't) I now think it's better for me to go to the Thailand. For some reason I have worse luck in Thailand.

I am afraid I don't remember the name of shop, perhaps its Paradise massage or something like that. Its the 3rd last shop in a lane lined up with massage shops, off the 2nd road (near honey massage I think). Spotted a very good looking lady from Isaan who won't budge from 800 per person per shot. My buddy really liked her as she spoke good English and was very pretty with nice boobs so decided to bite and went ahead. First threesome in a massage shop. She handled us very well, offering pussy to one while sucking other and so forth. The shop had half decent partitions, ambiance was pretty good with some sort of privacy. At 1600 bahts, this was a good one manage a trois and really helped bust a nut at 11 AM when other options were not on the table yet.

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am.

5.20 Mar 1 pm: The Girl I invited was busy, so she connected me to her friend Am. Can say she is not professional, and moved to Pattaya recently. But she was bulky. Has asked for 2 sessions at 2500. But let her go only after one action..[/QUOTE]Seems to me you had a "fucking" great time, so what's more to ask for? And you being a man of my own heart did not waste your money on stupid bar fines and lady drinks so got value for money.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2427463]I started out today trying to get my cell phone a local SIM card and some data. That turned out to be kind of difficult with no Thai knowledge. I got the card, but no internet. The guy pointed me up the street and indicated that I need to pay. I needed to charge the phone. I wandered up the street but didn't see a cell phone store and asked another vendor. After some sign language and pointing at my non-working phone they pointed me to a little stand that looked like they were providing financial services of some kind. First it was a no-go because I didn't remember which service provider my SIM card was for and then I didn't know my new phone number. So I was going back and forth down the street and working with the guy who sold me the SIM card to get the answers. After all that it still didn't work until a sequence of symbols and numbers was typed into the phone to activate an amount on the phone.

Now that I got. Working phone I used it to track down a ATM to withdraw money. I have a Capital One checking account that doesn't charge international fees etc.

So off I go looking for trouble and found it by using sugarbook ([URL]https://sugarbook.com/[/URL]). Skinny Vinnie who quoted me 5000 baht and of course I didn't negotiate down to 3000 baht like I should have. And when we get to the room she asks for payment up front. Now I should have negotiated all this beforehand but didn't. So I get what is coming to me in spades. I tried the "if you do a great job you get a great tip, not good then no tip. " So she proceeds to ask for another 5000 baht. Wait, that's not the way this is supposed to go!

After lunch and a rest I walked over to a unknown massage shop. The ladies at reception were nice and asked me to sit down and wait for the introductions. Kind of to my surprise the lady behind the desk got up and introduced herself first. She was seriously pretty and she was flirting with me as the second lady came in to introduce herself. Then I was asked to choose. Yeah only two. Well I picked the receptionist of course. And let me tell you I made the right choice. We started out dancing together. She slowly stripped off her clothes as we continued to dance together. Well the rest of the time was spent not totally GFE but with great enthusiasm. We pretty much finished when I gave her the big O. After that I was too tired to do more although she was willing.

Lesson learned: unless you have great negotiating skills (which I don't) I now think it's better for me to go to the Thailand. For some reason I have worse luck in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Did you parachute into Pattaya? Most of that you should've taken care of at the airport when you first arrived.

I don't know what sugarbook is, but 5000 baht or even 3000 baht for someone online in Pattaya is crazy. For that much money you can go to any of the Walking Street clubs and pick out exactly what you want.

Try Thaifriendly for online. Try Beach Road for cheap (1000 baht) and try Soi 6 for on the spot fun (1500 baht).

If you're having the wors (t) luck in Thailand (Pattaya) you are doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2428268]First threesome in a massage shop. She handled us very well, offering pussy to one while sucking other and so forth.[/QUOTE]A threesome is 2 chicks and 1 dude, not 2 dudes and 1 chick. What you did was run a train.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2427463]I started out today trying to get my cell phone a local SIM card and some data.[/QUOTE]LOL go to mall and visit True or AIS store they'll hook you up no problem.

I've been visiting Pattaya since 2010 and moved to the City two years ago. One could do worse.

Despite changes and price increases, it's still the best deal on the planet for women (actually for men who enjoy women). Being old. In my eighth decade now, there is no place else where old guys can play with nubile women for a song and without complaint. And speaking of a song, a lap dance for two or three minutes in a decent strip club in the States costs $20 or $25 - per song. Drinks for girls in Walking Street Go-Gos aren't cheap, but on a play-per-hour, hands on experience it ain't bad. What, maybe $15 or $20 per hour given that the lady has her dance duty cycle.

In my early days, I stayed right on Soi 6 at the Queen Victoria Inn. Cheap, decent food and nice staff. Soi 6 can wear on you. It did on me. And after a couple of years I relocated. Seems like the numbers of Ladyboys in that part of town have only increased and become more annoying. The girls. Not so much, but I rarely found much to my liking there. These days I visit Walking Street a couple times a week for indoor sightseeing and to refresh my memory of what female flesh feels like. Seems I'm always forgetting.

I always find Windmill and it's sister, Annabels across Soi Diamond, while a little weird, reliable for willing women / girls who expect and invite hands-on and many of whom skip any semblance of wardrobe. Living Dolls, a block over to the North is equally dependable. I've got friends in all three and it's fun. The girls in these places don't make all that much - 8 K Baht / month for a waitress, 14,000 per month for a dancer who opts to keep her interesting parts covered; 17.000 to skip panties and show tits and 20 K / month to ear nothing but a smile. Those are all before their percentage from "lady drinks," which run from 50 to 80 baht in most places; or for "take out" should they get lucky.

For the most beautiful women in the smallest space I've ever been, I like Pinups. It's packed. With beautiful girls. And with Asian customers, expensive. Most wear gauzy outfits (the women, not the customers), and after a few minutes bare their breasts in unison which is a sight to behold. Pinup girls at first appear "stuck-up" and clearly believe they're exceptional. Many are. But they're approachable if treated civilly or if you're dropping a lot of cash. Drinks for most of them are 200 Baht. I always say "no shots" as I hate to see my money go so quickly for so little. Saturday night I visited Pinups for a while and sat next to a nice looking, older Japanese gentleman who was clearly affected. Finally he got up, approached the stage and went from girl to girl, gently squeezing their tits and handing each of them a 1,000 Baht bill for the experience. He skipped a few who were clearly disappointed, but probably dropped thirty grand in the time I was there. Direct to his interests. I have no clue what his bar bill was.

I've not seen that before, it was clearly a sight to behold and any "stuck-upness" or pretense on the part of these beauties disappeared in a second. Funny as hell. I took a twenty baht note out of my pocket and waved it around, but it didn't raise much interest.

Most venues are going through hard times with few tourists, fewer customers and now this virus thing. A waitress I know at Windmill got told recently the only work they could offer would be as a dancer. Not a happy conversion, but she (Mo) supports two kids.

Three things I've learned living in Pattaya: (1) there is someone for everyone when it comes to pairing up. Some of the combinations seen on the street are truly unbelievable; (2) I will never understand the ladyboy or gay male business, but the culture in this town (and in Thailand in general) embraces it save for the criminal element). There's a lesson to be learned from the level of acceptance and lastly, (3) there is no place else on the planet like it where to get by without losing your mind you just have to forget or suspend for the duration anything you ever learned about western morality.

Enjoy it while it lasts, which ought to be a while.

US Expat. I hope you become a full member. I'the like to trade PM about Thailand and China.

[QUOTE=USExpat;2429736]Being old. In my eighth decade now, there is no place else where old guys can play with nubile women for a song and without complaint. And speaking of a song, a lap dance for two or three minutes in a decent strip club in the States costs $20 or $25 - per song. Drinks for girls in Walking Street Go-Gos aren't cheap, but on a play-per-hour, hands on experience it ain't bad. What, maybe $15 or $20 per hour given that the lady has her dance duty cycle.[/QUOTE]You have all my respect. Still going strong in your 80's!

Thanks for your write up. Hope to read more from you now that you live in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429953]You have all my respect. Still going strong in your 80's!

Thanks for your write up. Hope to read more from you now that you live in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Actually, I think decades work like centuries. It's always one behind. So my 1st would be from zero to ten, second from ten to twenty. Etc. My eighth would conclude at eighty and I'm likely to meet my end before that.

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am..[/QUOTE]WW,

I can imagine what a wonderful time you had without paying any bar fines etc. Following your footsteps is this another humble Indian, arriving Pattayya tomorrow 4th Mar.

After reading your report, immediately subscribed to TF, what an impact your report had! Got few appointments myself, but would like to explore the ladies you tried (just to be sure that I don't meet any starfish). Could you be kind to share the exact TF ID's. Especially am interested in Sarunee and Naujine. Am Keen to ask Naujine for LT, but I cannot find her I'd in TF. Help is much appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=WonderWorld;2426981]Dear friends,

I live in Bangkok. Visited Pattaya for 3 nights for sexcapade. But instead of hitting beer bars, walking street and beach road, took refuge to Thaifriendly. Started working working up around a week in advance to get contacts and shortlist. I am a humble Indian. So, my options are rather limited.

1. 18 Mar 11 pm: Reached Pattaya. Check in hotel. The first girl Nicki from TF walks in at 11.30 for ST. Slim, talkative, 7/10. Spend around 2. 5 hours on drinking and action. (B1500).

2. 19 Mar 2 am: As Nicki left, hit the beach road to pick up one girl for LT. Unfortunately I was too tired with day's work, driving from BKK-PAT, drinking and action. So, only little drinking and left actions for the morning. 2 pops in the morning. She left as 11 am. (B2000).

3.19 Mar 11:30 am: Sarunee (TF girl) walks in for a full day (12 hours) appointment at B2500. She is matured (I think 36 yo), but slim, energetic and talkative. After some drink and one action, she discloses that she is fine with ass too. 2nd action in ass. Let her go at 6:30 pm and next appointment is approaching.

4.19 Mar 7:00 pm: Sabina (TF) arrives at hotel. Slim, 9/10, for an evening date. Couple of hours drinking at hotel room, followed by hitting the Hooters for a cocktail and beer. Then some Thaifood and back to hotel. LT for B2000. She is 30 yo, but looks (face and body) no more than 22. Had a full elaborated session once before going to sleep. Woke up at 10 am for 2nd action. She bade goodbye at 11:00 am...[/QUOTE]WW, hats off to you for the planning & execution where you had good time and never had to pay bar fines etc. Read your report, inspired another humble Indian and instantly subscribed to TF.

Travelling to Pattayya on 4th Mar. Fixed up few appointments myself but would like to explore the ladies you tried (at least it is certain that the ones you had fun are not starfish). Could you please share the exact TF ID's of Sarunee and Noujine.

Thanks to ISG for such a forum where newbies like me get lot of info about mongering.

"Reports on social media that a staff member at a bar located on Soi 6 in Pattaya had contracted the coronavirus are false, officials have said.

Rumors started circulating over the weekend that a beer bar staffer had been infected with the coronavirus and that she could potentially be a so called 'Super Spreader' having come into contact with hundreds of customers.

Health officials later contacted the woman and sent her for tests at Chulalongkorn Hospital, where it was confirmed she just had regular flu and not the coronavirus, which is now officially known as COVID-19.

On Tuesday, officials posted on the PR Pattaya Facebook page to confirm the woman had tested negative for COVID-19.

The news comes as health officials in Pattaya have been busy disinfecting key areas of the city.

On Sunday teams were out in force spraying disinfectant at you-Tapao airport, as well as on Walking Street and through to Bali Hai Pier.

The move inspire confidence among tourists that the resort was clean and Covid-19 free."

The above was recently posted on Thaivisa. Interestingly seems only Walking street was treated with the spray. Nice to know the city officials are watching out for the health of the go go bars clientele. Nana and Cowboy next?

I would like to try TF during next trip but wondering what to mention to potential ladies? I can't imagine I have to be blunt and lay out the 3 holes requirement right in first message LOL.

Can the experts and experienced folks guide me a bit?

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips.

Apologies, if this is posted again. The connection was lost so not sure if my first submission was successfully, kindly ignore if it did.

Am an Indian and ventured on my first solo trip to LOS. There is lot of negative publicity against Indians travelling in groups and behaving rude, So I decided to travel solo and visit all the places where usually we are not welcomed and make an attempt to break the stereotyping. What better time than than now where there is certain decrease in footfall in LOS. Anyways I planned 5 days in Pattayya and 3 days in Bangkok. My plan was simple, use TF for day action, beer garden, gogo and Beach road FL for night action, with Devil's den, soapy massage and BJ bar thrown in between. Objective is to cover all means of mongering. A big thanks to various reports in ISG by the senior members (more recently WW's report) for all the info and confidence I got from them.

Day 1 Pattayya: reached at 10.00 am checked in by 10.30 am.

Noy from TF: Subscribed to TF just few days before my travel. While finalizing appointments with some hotties, only this lady was ready to meet as early as 11.30. I liked her face but I got doubts on her figure as all the pics she shared are only of face. She quoted 1000 b. I read in the forum that it is only for one pop, but I asked for 2 pops, BBBJ and she was OK with it. I started to doubt about her figure and attitude after she comes to the room. But again I wanted to push my luck. Finally she came at 12.00 and I saw her from key hole. Not the worst nightmares but my doubts were right, she is chubby and certain to have babies. Anyways it was too late and I opened the door. Though I tried to hide, I think she saw disappointment in my face and kept on asking if I was OK. The way she tried to cheer me up, really made me feel bad and I wanted to make best of the situation. She showered and asked me what makes me happy. I asked her to kiss my whole body and give a a good BBBJ. I asked her if she squirts, she gave thumbs up. She gave me super BJ while I fingered her. First time in my life I saw a women squirt. Then I tried to doggy her but it was too loose so didn't enjoy. She asked me if I wanted to do anal, again a first time for me, but I gave it a pass. I wanted to do anal with a petite girl with good ass. So again BJ and I came on her saggy tits. We washed ourselves and onto bed again. She gave me massage, she has some magic in her hands and I dozed off. I literally slept for about half HR, when I woke we were cuddled and I was aroused. I asked her to give me another BJ and this time was better than first BJ. After my second pop we spent another 30 mins just chatting up and caressing each other. Finally let her go.

Girl - 4.

Price - 1000,no tip.

VFM. No FS but 2 BJs, first time see a women squirt and nice little massage. For me I think money well spent eventually.

WIR. Abs no.

Honey 2 Soapy, Saai no. 516 - After the fiasco or success, depending on how you see in the morning. I had drinks in the room and took rest until evening. Planned to visit the famous Devil's Den at around 6 pm. I took a bike taxi to Den, but enroute, I thought Devil's Den can be a hit or miss (again this info from ISG member reports) and ladies are again on the older side. After morning events, I wanted to be with a hottie and wanted sureshot fun. Immediately remembered some quotes from ISG reports that Soapy parlours give 100% service and hot girls. So asked the taxi guy to drop at Honey opp to Sabai. Read that Honey has better rooms, so chose Honey. It was around 6 pm and boy what a sight it was. Around 100+ girls vying attention of 3 guys including me! Corona effect certainly. Anyways the manager tried to explain but I told him I read lot of reviews and know exactly what is on offer incl the prices. Now there are 4 categories. From 2000 to 4000. The manager tried to suggest some girls but I was clear in my mind. I wanted a tall with slender to medium built. Taller women is my kick. It took me just under one min to scan among the many waving hands at me to decide the lady. She didn't wave any hand, but very inviting with her eyes and she was tall. No. 516, a Thai+ Chinese breed. I chose her and I can clearly she was very happy. Later she told me one customer per day has become difficult for last few days. So my timing of visit to Pattaya fully vindicated. As most of you know how it goes inside, will not elaborate. But yes the rooms are nice, and service is better than in Sabai dee (which I visited another day). Special mention to this girl. She had super figure, natural tits and enthusiastic to satisfy. BBBJ done. She suggested me to do doggy so I can watch in the mirror. After the deed, when I was ready to go, She asked me to stay longer as time was still there. She gave me a good head massage and she shared many things about her, customers physche etc. Good gesture I think.

Girl - 9.

Price - 2500+180 (drinks, not pushy at all)+200 (tip, again not expected at all) - 2880.

VFM. First time, yes. But as it is only one pop, for the same amnt you can get LT elsewhere but again girls in soapy are way better than the ones found outside. So can't say.

WIR. Can't say, reason explained above.

After these little escapades, I wanted to just walk through Soi 6 and do some recce for next day's action. Not surprising not as lively as I thought it would be. Didn't find any eye catchy girl, probably they are servicing a customer inside or I was not in a mood to pickup anyone so didn't find anyone beautiful. I walked along the beach road looking at the FLs and beer bar girls. No one attractive again, probably as I was already wasted. So kept walking straight to the hotel. Hotel is right inside walking street. No mood to visit any of the Go gos so, went to room and called it in early. Tomorrow's plan is to visit a BJ bar, scheduled a ST with a hottie from TF and should pick LT from beach road / beer bars. Being an Indian, am skeptical about picking a girl from beer bar, but I want to go for it. I would do all the right things as discussed by many members in the forum, respect the girls, treat them gently, genuinely have fun, and state clearly what you want.

Sorry for the long post, but seniors can please suggest how could I have enhanced my experience and mistakes to avoid and have more success.

[QUOTE=BenPincus;2425096]I heard today that Walking St. Will close for may / June for electrical works. Laying wires under the ground I think, or similar.[/QUOTE]WS is NOT closing, but they are going to be doing construction in the area, it a continuation of the road work on Beach Rd, iirc. The construction will take 2-3 months.

Nice report mate. I always travel alone and have found its easier to pick up or enter gogo's as oppose to a group especially for us dark guys.

I am planning to visit Pattaya in April, hopefully the corona nightmare would be behind us!

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2430754]Apologies, if this is posted again. The connection was lost so not sure if my first submission was successfully, kindly ignore if it did.

Am an Indian and ventured on my first solo trip to LOS. There is lot of negative publicity against Indians travelling in groups and behaving rude, So I decided to travel solo and visit all the places where usually we are not welcomed and make an attempt to break the stereotyping. What better time than than now where there is certain decrease in footfall in LOS. Anyways I planned 5 days in Pattayya and 3 days in Bangkok. My plan was simple, use TF for day action, beer garden, gogo and Beach road FL for night action, with Devil's den, soapy massage and BJ bar thrown in between. Objective is to cover all means of mongering. A big thanks to various reports in ISG by the senior members (more recently WW's report) for all the info and confidence I got from them.

Day 1 Pattayya: reached at 10.00 am checked in by 10.30 am.

Noy from TF: Subscribed to TF just few days before my travel. While finalizing appointments with some hotties, only this lady was ready to meet as early as 11.30. I liked her face but I got doubts on her figure as all the pics she shared are only of face. She quoted 1000 b. I read in the forum that it is only for one pop, but I asked for 2 pops, BBBJ and she was OK with it. I started to doubt about her figure and attitude after she comes to the room. But again I wanted to push my luck. Finally she came at 12.00 and I saw her from key hole. Not the worst nightmares but my doubts were right, she is chubby and certain to have babies. Anyways it was too late and I opened the door. Though I tried to hide, I think she saw disappointment in my face and kept on asking if I was OK. The way she tried to cheer me up, really made me feel bad and I wanted to make best of the situation. She showered and asked me what makes me happy. I asked her to kiss my whole body and give a a good BBBJ. I asked her if she squirts, she gave thumbs up. She gave me super BJ while I fingered her. First time in my life I saw a women squirt. Then I tried to doggy her but it was too loose so didn't enjoy. She asked me if I wanted to do anal, again a first time for me, but I gave it a pass. I wanted to do anal with a petite girl with good ass. So again BJ and I came on her saggy tits. We washed ourselves and onto bed again. She gave me massage, she has some magic in her hands and I dozed off. I literally slept for about half HR, when I woke we were cuddled and I was aroused. I asked her to give me another BJ and this time was better than first BJ. After my second pop we spent another 30 mins just chatting up and caressing each other. Finally let her go.

Girl - 4.

Price - 1000,no tip.

VFM. No FS but 2 BJs, first time see a women squirt and nice little massage. For me I think money well spent eventually.

WIR. Abs no.

Honey 2 Soapy, Saai no. 516 - After the fiasco or success, depending on how you see in the morning. I had drinks in the room and took rest until evening. Planned to visit the famous Devil's Den at around 6 pm. I took a bike taxi to Den, but enroute, I thought Devil's Den can be a hit or miss (again this info from ISG member reports) and ladies are again on the older side. After morning events, I wanted to be with a hottie and wanted sureshot fun. Immediately remembered some quotes from ISG reports that Soapy parlours give 100% service and hot girls. So asked the taxi guy to drop at Honey opp to Sabai. Read that Honey has better rooms, so chose Honey. It was around 6 pm and boy what a sight it was. Around 100+ girls vying attention of 3 guys including me! Corona effect certainly. Anyways the manager tried to explain but I told him I read lot of reviews and know exactly what is on offer incl the prices. Now there are 4 categories. From 2000 to 4000. The manager tried to suggest some girls but I was clear in my mind. I wanted a tall with slender to medium built. Taller women is my kick. It took me just under one min to scan among the many waving hands at me to decide the lady. She didn't wave any hand, but very inviting with her eyes and she was tall. No. 516, a Thai+ Chinese breed. I chose her and I can clearly she was very happy. Later she told me one customer per day has become difficult for last few days. So my timing of visit to Pattaya fully vindicated. As most of you know how it goes inside, will not elaborate. But yes the rooms are nice, and service is better than in Sabai dee (which I visited another day). Special mention to this girl. She had super figure, natural tits and enthusiastic to satisfy. BBBJ done. She suggested me to do doggy so I can watch in the mirror. After the deed, when I was ready to go, She asked me to stay longer as time was still there. She gave me a good head massage and she shared many things about her, customers physche etc. Good gesture I think.

Girl - 9.

Price - 2500+180 (drinks, not pushy at all)+200 (tip, again not expected at all) - 2880.

VFM. First time, yes. But as it is only one pop, for the same amnt you can get LT elsewhere but again girls in soapy are way better than the ones found outside. So can't say.

WIR. Can't say, reason explained above.

After these little escapades, I wanted to just walk through Soi 6 and do some recce for next day's action. Not surprising not as lively as I thought it would be. Didn't find any eye catchy girl, probably they are servicing a customer inside or I was not in a mood to pickup anyone so didn't find anyone beautiful. I walked along the beach road looking at the FLs and beer bar girls. No one attractive again, probably as I was already wasted. So kept walking straight to the hotel. Hotel is right inside walking street. No mood to visit any of the Go gos so, went to room and called it in early. Tomorrow's plan is to visit a BJ bar, scheduled a ST with a hottie from TF and should pick LT from beach road / beer bars. Being an Indian, am skeptical about picking a girl from beer bar, but I want to go for it. I would do all the right things as discussed by many members in the forum, respect the girls, treat them gently, genuinely have fun, and state clearly what you want.

Sorry for the long post, but seniors can please suggest how could I have enhanced my experience and mistakes to avoid and have more success.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya;2430709]I would like to try TF during next trip but wondering what to mention to potential ladies? I can't imagine I have to be blunt and lay out the 3 holes requirement right in first message LOL.

Can the experts and experienced folks guide me a bit?

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips.[/QUOTE]Am not an expert nor as experienced as many members in this forum, but I find it is best if you state your needs forthright. In fact most of the time, ladies themselves just in their second msge quote their price. Except if the girl clearly writes in her profile that she is not for short term relationships and forbids any talk of Sex, you can forthrightly ask what you want. It worked like a charm for me for last 2 days and I have lined up girls for next 2 days too.

P.S. ask for recent pics, as most of them post old pics of themselves and you might get disappointed later.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2430754] I wanted a tall with slender to medium built. Taller women is my kick. [/QUOTE]I found out that some of the tall and very slim Thai girls are really doing the trick for me too but unfortunately it's hard to find these type of bodies as they are very few compared to the short girls in Thailand.

[QUOTE] After these little escapades, I wanted to just walk through Soi 6 and do some recce for next day's action. Not surprising not as lively as I thought it would be. Didn't find any eye catchy girl, probably they are servicing a customer inside or I was not in a mood to pickup anyone so didn't find anyone beautiful. [/QUOTE]Don't give up on soi6, you just have to go there and have a look frequently and you'll surely find one to settle with.

[QUOTE] Being an Indian, am skeptical about picking a girl from beer bar, but I want to go for it. I would do all the right things as discussed by many members in the forum, respect the girls, treat them gently, genuinely have fun, and state clearly what you want.[/QUOTE]Bar girls that don't like Indians is pure BS. If you're willing to spend money you will easily find some nice bar girls that will treat you very kindly.

Believe me, they are into Indians as much as they are into any other type of guys. As many other ISG members would say, they are into money more than anything else as long as you're respectful.

And thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2430709]I would like to try TF during next trip but wondering what to mention to potential ladies? I can't imagine I have to be blunt and lay out the 3 holes requirement right in first message LOL.

Can the experts and experienced folks guide me a bit?

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips.[/QUOTE]My usual message on social media while in Pattaya is: "Hello, my name is XXXXX. Nice to meet you. I'm in Pattaya now. Would you like to meet me?

I usally ask for service (anal, CIM, etc) in my second message.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2431200]My usual message on social media while in Pattaya is: "Hello, my name is XXXXX. Nice to meet you. I'm in Pattaya now. Would you like to meet me?

I usally ask for service (anal, CIM, etc) in my second message.[/QUOTE]Seriously, straight to the point? LOL.

No need of any indirect language or hint of limited engagement aka ST?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2431256]Seriously, straight to the point? LOL.

No need of any indirect language or hint of limited engagement aka ST?[/QUOTE]Dude this is Pattaya. I guess you would have had to have been here to understand.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2431177]I found out that some of the tall and very slim Thai girls are really doing the trick for me too but unfortunately it's hard to find these type of bodies as they are very few compared to the short girls in Thailand.

Don't give up on soi6, you just have to go there and have a look frequently and you'll surely find one to settle with.

Bar girls that don't like Indians is pure BS. If you're willing to spend money you will easily find some nice bar girls that will treat you very kindly.

Believe me, they are into Indians as much as they are into any other type of guys. As many other ISG members would say, they are into money more than anything else as long as you're respectful.

And thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]Thanks Paolo for the encouraging words.

You are absolutely right. Beer girls are very welcoming and warm too. Though they were not very enthusiastic in the beginning, but as soon as I bought couple of lady drinks to one of the lady, they came around. So you are bang on, money and money only matters. I won a game of pool and it broke all the ice with the girls. I had good time, though didn't bar fine anyone from there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2431370]Dude this is Pattaya. I guess you would have had to have been here to understand.[/QUOTE]Due, I was there two weeks ago. My 10th trip. Still I wasn't sure if direct approach would be the way to go but I guess that is the right approach.

I have noticed that the quality of the girls has gone way below average on Thai friendly. Is it because of Covid-19 or have always been like that lately?

None of them are eye catcher. Also if anybody from the forum can suggest some similar app one should explore than please reply of PM me.

Thanks!

Met a chick on Thai Friendly the other day. Just started talking to her tonight. So happens she works at the Nuru place on Soi Lengkee. I asked her to come see me and she asked how much I give her. I said 1200 for LT. She said I need to give her 1500. The usual, I live here not holiday. 1200 is good. She takes a motorbike taxi over. As soon as we get in the room she asks for the money. I have never had a Thai chick do that before; only some Eastern European I picked up off Beach Road. She said that she would leave if I did not pay her first So I walked her out.

The other day I hit up a massage chick that I am fucking and she told me that she had gone home and would be back in a week. Yesterday I was on my way to the barber shop and drove down Soi Honey Inn. I saw some friends over at a restaurant that they frequent so I stopped and went to sit with them. About 40 minutes later I see a chick that looks like the massage chick walking down the street with a guy.

I sent her a message saying either I just saw you walking down the street with a guy or you have a fucking twin. She claimed the guy was her friend. I asked why she lied about being back home. I told her that I was sitting with friends and saw her. She said that she had seen 3 men but didn't know that one was me. I told her that this is Pattaya. She can just say she has a man and is busy. She said she was sorry and that it would not happen again.

A year ago I met a chick on Tinder. I kept trying to hook up with her but she would always only be in Pattaya for 1 day before she had to go to Bangkok. I was always busy at that time. A couple of months forward and she is working in a massage parlor in Pattaya. Of course she is on the game so everytime I would see her I would ask her about coming over. But she wants 3000 and I pay 1200 LT. This happened about 3 or 4 times.

So yesterday I passed her shop on Beach Road and stopped to talk to her. She asked why I never come to see her. I told her that she always wants too much money. She told me to come get her from work at 1 am and she would come. Bet.

We got back to my place and I told her that I didn't like that she had on so much makeup. She said she brought her stuff and was going to wash it off. (And she left it in my bathroom so she must plan on coming back soon.) She said she has to wear it or her face would burn when she is sitting outside trying to get customers for massage.

After she washed it off she looked 1000 times better. She actually looked like Halle Berry. I asked how old she was and she said 39. Bullshit. All this past year I was thinking she was like 27. I asked to see her drivers license. She is definitely 39. I would have never known. She said the times she was back and forth to Bangkok she was driving people to the airport. She said she is driving home to Kanchanaburi Wednesday and asked if I wanted to come along with her. No thanks!

Anyway we had a great time in the sack. I went to drop her home at 11:30 this morning and next to her place I see my buddy's live-in girlfriend (who works massage as well) out selling orange juice. I said what the hell are you doing over this way. She said is that your girlfriend? I said you not even supposed to be over here seeing what I am doing.

About 5:30 I went to her shop for a well needed massage. I asked for a foot massage and Thai massage. Man that was a waste of 2 fucking hours. I don't know who allowed that chick into the massage business. Hands down the worst massages in Thailand that I have had in my life. She needs to stick to fucking and leave that massage shit to the professionals.

In my quest to try all modes of mongering in Pattaya. For pure BJ bar experience I picked Excite Bar. Actually after reading somewhere, that a particular girl called Beer has the best throat, I looked out for Jonat's massage parlour in Maps. It is very close to Excite Club in Soi excite, as they call it. So as a backup option of having Excite Club, I went to Jonat's Massage. I found all oldies there and didn't even dare to approach. So, I continued my walk few yards further, and reached Excite Club at around 6. 30 pm. I read all the reviews possible for BJ bars in general and Excite club specifically. So equipped with knowledge of place, price and modus operandi I bypassed the girls outside and went inside. 8-10 girls inside and just 2 guys sipping their beer. I sat at the bar counter and ordered for a beer. The girl at counter is petite but I didn't find her attractive. Couple of girls approached me asking them to take upstairs. I declined politely. I wanted to chose the girl on my terms and I wanted only BJ. After few minutes, a girl walked in whom I immediately asked to sit with me. She duly obliged, but even before I could ask her name, she asked me to order a lady drink. I ordered. Now she fixed her drink, told her name, I told her mine and next thing she asked is do you like ST with me upstairs. I was expecting some bit of chit chat, some groping at bar and then a good BJ upstairs. Alarm bells rang, but heck, I wanted a BJ and this is a BJ bar (at least that is what I read & thought so), so I asked I wanted nothing more than a BJ with CIM. She insisted on ST and I replied that I don't want ST and I can pick another girl for BJ if she is not ready. She said OK. I read the price is 800 for BJ and nothing extra for room or some bars charge 300 b. I should have asked, but I thought that is a standard price so didn't bother. She led me to a room upstairs, with a bed & shower. She cleaned my dick, and then I sat on the chair, while she was cleaning herself. Then she asked me to lie on the bed. I again said I don't want sex, only BJ and chair is perfect for me and she can get on her knees. She replied bed is comfortable. Am already naked, so went onto the bed. She started BBBJ, after sometime while am enjoying the deed, she stopped and started to put a condom. I asked her why, she said I can ride her for sometime and then again she would give me a BBBJ. While am making a feeble attempt to stop her, she slipped the condom and sat on me. Am already hard, so went with the flow. Tried couple of positions, but my mind was drifting to only my planned BJ experience of getting sucked in a sofa and a CIM. I stopped riding her and asked her to give me BJ. She started to give BJ but with condom. I said if you keep doing this, you cannot get load out of me. She removed the condom and then started BBBJ again. But I felt she is doing forcefully and I stopped enjoying it. I asked her to stop and I got dressed. She asked me to give 1300 bucks to her and 300 for room at counter. I gave her 1000 b and paid 300+250 for drinks and left as an unhappy customer.

Average ST prices are 1000-1500, so monetary wise wise it was not such a big rip off, as I paid 1550 for ST & drinks for the girl I liked. But I didn't like the whole experience as I went there looking for a BJ bar experience which I didn't get. The girls are very pushy for ST. Later in the evening, I got 2 pops in my hotel from a cute girl whom I repeated from TF. I paid 1000 + 200 tip. First pop. BBBJ+CIM, second one. FS. This is real VFM. But my itch for a BJ experience in an exclusive BJ bar remains.

Now am going to Bangkok, hopefully I get one in Dr BJ.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]but even before I could ask her name, she asked me to order a lady drink. I ordered. [/QUOTE]Reason 1 you should have walked away.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]Now she fixed her drink, told her name, I told her mine and next thing she asked is do you like ST with me upstairs. I was expecting some bit of chit chat, some groping at bar and then a good BJ upstairs. Alarm bells rang, [/QUOTE]Reason 2 you should have walked away. Most Pattaya G clubs and BJ bars are pretty laid back. You can have a lot of fun with the girls once you buy her a lady drink. A lady drink goes a long way in these places. I met a really pretty girl named Sari at Excite Club. She lost me as a customer because she ordered drinks like I was a sucker tourist even though she knew I wasn't. I did get good DFK and HJ from her. Not so bad for 2 quick lady drinks on a hot afternoon I guess.

Next time listen to your gut. It was correct.

Visited Walking Street a couple of times early in the week – I usually go once or twice a week for my health. Doctor's orders. While I'm not a medical doctor, I figure my academic degree is enough under the circumstances..

Except for the USA Navy who let some of their sailors on shore after Cobra Gold 20 wrapped up (the annual joint exercises with the Thai military), Walking Street was very, very quiet. I did my civic duty as an expat American to help some of the sailors steer clear of touts and especially the Russian places, but there were more of them than me – usually in groups of four or more, so some I'm sure paid the price. "Hey Navy; you don't want to do that," worked well.

I was able to steer one large group which included two females (seapeople? Who were looking for music venues to the obvious chagrin of their fellow sailors who were doing their best, with bulges in their pants, to be chivalrous to their mates. I'm sure they worked out some compromise. They surely did look young...

I did my usual round of Windmill, Anabelles, The Dollhouse and then Pinups strictly for the eye candy. The only place with much of a crowd was Pinups which is always jammed. Many Walking Street venues are checking temperatures and squirting hand sanitizer which are new features and may be a better measure of Covid-19 worries than anything published by the government. One infectious bloke in any of these joints and its curtains for the whole Street. In the Windmill, I chatted with my friend Mo, the forced-March convert to dancing from waitressing. Nice girl, but still hanging on to her modesty as far as is possible in Windmill's costuming. She keeps her shirt closed and her panties on, unlike Ann who works the first floor with Mo and apparently has no modesty issue whatsoever. I'the seen Ann a few times, but this last was the first time I had to chat and sample the goods which are substantial. She's thirty-seven or something, no kids, a nice rack sans silicone and a nose that doesn't look Isaan at all. For the moment she's tall and blonde – tall will stay, but the blonde will soon get strands of blue or green. She speaks good English, is among the more friendly and allows access to everything which many in Windmill do anyway, but it's better when they look good. Ann reported having an English boyfriend for three-years running who thinks she's terrific but bitches because she doesn't like to cook and doesn't. What a jerk. Let him cook or take her out and just enjoy the rest which by all measure, including my freely available sample seemed damned enjoyable. He's losing her and just hasn't been told yet. If you go, watch for the really skinny girl who looks like Liza Minelli. Her English is near fluent.

Anabelles, like Windmill (same owners), specializes in girls, but Windmill houses twice as many. Every visit to Annabells is pleasantly marked by an amorous greeting from my friend Ural, who has really small tits, a nice ass, a smooth belly (despite two kids) and a great personality. I typically time out after two or three lady drinks and move on. That gives me an hour or two in most places. Dollhouse has my friend Oi and a tattooed Jezebel named the – who has a great body, a slight tendency toward submissive and a little too much ink. I first noticed her haircut which is one of those shaved up one side looks and relatively short. The is one of the women who maximizes her income by staying completely nude which is nice when she stops by and plops herself on my lap. Four take outs with the was persuasive that she likes to be eaten and is open to most anything. She is alluring enough for me to get the right chemical-free reaction in the right place at the right time – always a good sign. She, like the other working girls I know in the clubs is accustomed to my hour or two and a few drinks in exchange for plenty of contact – everywhere. Lucky me. I do give the one's I know a cheap 100 baht when I leave which seems to be appreciated. I tip waitresses, many of whom are fun in their own right, separately, after they take back an empty tray or folder from which I've removed any change. Tips left otherwise, get split up among everybody, and it's more fun to put a few twenty baht tips directly into the pressed space between tit and bra – do that slowly to make sure there's a secure placement, which is best assured below the nipple.

I seldom to take-out which can be expensive on Walking Street and have the good fortune of living with a lovely Isaan lady who does everything I can think of someone doing for me – and then some. Lucky me. That's not to say that I pass up good times in the right setting and if I can ever remember the name of the small massage place on east side of Second Road a block or two south of Yellow Massage, near the Avani hotel on 2nd Road, I could refer you to a woman named Lida who has boobs that rival the best on the planet – no joke. She likes to get as much as she can for "extras" and it took a bit of persuasion to get a photo of her assets sans clothing, but it was worth it. I sometimes stop on the way back from Walking Street to my place near Avenue for an update to make sure nothing's changed. As of last night, things were good. Normally Lida stuffs her assets into a too small bra and tight uniform and freeing those things is a joy and like watching a balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade inflate into near perfect form. She'll be home for a week or two after tomorrow.

After reading all the Covid-19 news and particularly the lack of details from the government here; combining that with new measures at the entrances to many places in Pattaya including Walking Street venues, I think it's wise to lay low for a while – maybe three weeks or so to see how things play out. I'm too old for this – any of it – and while (knock-on-wood) healthy, my choice would be to extend my run rather than wallow.

Have a nice day.

Remember – you are dead and this is heaven.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]In my quest to try all modes of mongering in Pattaya. For pure BJ bar experience I picked Excite Bar. Actually after reading somewhere, that a particular girl called Beer has the best throat, I looked out for Jonat's massage parlour in Maps. It is very close to Excite Club in Soi excite, as they call it. So as a backup option of having Excite Club, I went to Jonat's Massage. I found all oldies there and didn't even dare to approach. So, I continued my walk few yards further, and reached Excite Club at around 6. 30 pm. I read all the reviews possible for BJ bars in general and Excite club specifically. So equipped with knowledge of place, price and modus operandi I bypassed the girls outside and went inside. 8-10 girls inside and just 2 guys sipping their beer. I sat at the bar counter and ordered for a beer. The girl at counter is petite but I didn't find her attractive. Couple of girls approached me asking them to take upstairs. I declined politely. I wanted to chose the girl on my terms and I wanted only BJ. After few minutes, a girl walked in whom I immediately asked to sit with me. She duly obliged, but even before I could ask her name, she asked me to order a lady drink. I ordered. Now she fixed her drink, told her name, I told her mine and next thing she asked is do you like ST with me upstairs. I was expecting some bit of chit chat, some groping at bar and then a good BJ upstairs. Alarm bells rang, but heck, I wanted a BJ and this is a BJ bar (at least that is what I read & thought so), so I asked I wanted nothing more than a BJ with CIM. She insisted on ST and I replied that I don't want ST and I can pick another girl for BJ if she is not ready. She said OK. I read the price is 800 for BJ and nothing extra for room or some bars charge 300 b. I should have asked, but I thought that is a standard price so didn't bother. She led me to a room upstairs, with a bed & shower. She cleaned my dick, and then I sat on the chair, while she was cleaning herself. Then she asked me to lie on the bed. I again said I don't want sex, only BJ and chair is perfect for me and she can get on her knees. She replied bed is comfortable. Am already naked, so went onto the bed. She started BBBJ, after sometime while am enjoying the deed, she stopped and started to put a condom. I asked her why, she said I can ride her for sometime and then again she would give me a BBBJ. While am making a feeble attempt to stop her, she slipped the condom and sat on me. Am already hard, so went with the flow. Tried couple of positions, but my mind was drifting to only my planned BJ experience of getting sucked in a sofa and a CIM. I stopped riding her and asked her to give me BJ. She started to give BJ but with condom. I said if you keep doing this, you cannot get load out of me. She removed the condom and then started BBBJ again. But I felt she is doing forcefully and I stopped enjoying it. I asked her to stop and I got dressed. She asked me to give 1300 bucks to her and 300 for room at counter. I gave her 1000 b and paid 300+250 for drinks and left as an unhappy customer.

Average ST prices are 1000-1500, so monetary wise wise it was not such a big rip off, as I paid 1550 for ST & drinks for the girl I liked. But I didn't like the whole experience as I went there looking for a BJ bar experience which I didn't get. The girls are very pushy for ST. Later in the evening, I got 2 pops in my hotel from a cute girl whom I repeated from TF. I paid 1000 + 200 tip. First pop. BBBJ+CIM, second one. FS. This is real VFM. But my itch for a BJ experience in an exclusive BJ bar remains.

Now am going to Bangkok, hopefully I get one in Dr BJ.[/QUOTE]That was plain and simple a bad service girl who wanted the extra money for CFS. You should never have allowed her to get you on the bed in the first place and stuck to the plan that was agreed to. Water under the bridge but a learning experience.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]Now am going to Bangkok, hopefully I get one in Dr BJ.[/QUOTE]Try Lo. Li. Tas when you're in Bkk.

It's located on the second subsoi on the right side after entering soi8. Girls wears a uniform and most of the time they stay outside.

If you're lucky to see a girl that is not too old and not overweight give them a try, personally I go there once each time I arrive in Thailand (800 baht for the BJ).

[QUOTE=USExpat;2433029]Visited Walking Street a couple of times early in the week I usually go once or twice a week for my health. Doctor's orders. While I'm not a medical doctor, I figure my academic degree is enough under the circumstances..

After reading all the Covid-19 news and particularly the lack of details from the government here; combining that with new measures at the entrances to many places in Pattaya including Walking Street venues, I think it's wise to lay low for a while maybe three weeks or so to see how things play out. I'm too old for this any of it and while (knock-on-wood) healthy, my choice would be to extend my run rather than wallow.

Have a nice day.

Remember you are dead and this is heaven.[/QUOTE]Actually it is better to be safe. I have cancelled hotels and flights. Was planning Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok. Couple of hotels dragging their feet to give refunds but airline and some hotels did refund in full.

All the dating site girls who were supposed to stay with me are not happy. Oh, well.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2433150]All the dating site girls who were supposed to stay with me are not happy. Oh, well.[/QUOTE]The monkeys are not happy about the drop in visitors either.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY[/URL]

Hundreds of monkeys from two gangs engaged in a food brawl in Lop Buri.

[i]"This is the astonishing moment hundreds of hungry wild monkeys scramble for a single piece of food. The primates are normally well fed by tourists in the city of Lopburi, central Thailand, but visitors have plummeted because of the coronavirus. So when one of the primates had a juicy banana, the entire pack that roam around the streets surrounded the creature this morning (March 11) and tried to snatch it. Footage shows how hundreds of monkeys began tussling for the snack. When one of the animals fled with it, the creatures chased it up a grass bank. Even locals who are used to seeing the creatures were shocked by their ferocity. ONE said: 'They looked more like wild dogs than monkeys. They went crazy for the single piece of food. I've never seen them this aggressive. I think the monkeys were very, very hungry. There's normally a lot of tourists here to feed the monkeys but now there are not as many, because of the coronavirus."[/i]

This is why I am still planning to go to LOS unless my flight is cancelled. Someone has to take care of the girls. It is the humane thing to do.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2433150]Actually it is better to be safe. I have cancelled hotels and flights. Was planning Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok. Couple of hotels dragging their feet to give refunds but airline and some hotels did refund in full.

All the dating site girls who were supposed to stay with me are not happy. Oh, well.[/QUOTE]You can find ladies on the dating sites? Damn I didn't know that. Care to share the sites that are active?

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2433157]You can find ladies on the dating sites? Damn I didn't know that. Care to share the sites that are active?[/QUOTE]Surely you jest.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2433150]Actually it is better to be safe. I have cancelled hotels and flights. Was planning Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok. Couple of hotels dragging their feet to give refunds but airline and some hotels did refund in full.[/QUOTE]The only being safe is that you may not be able to get a flight out of here and will be stuck. Getting a disease? Nahh. My dad and nephew were supposed to come over tomorrow. My dad just called 2 minutes ago and said he was not coming, but my nephew is still coming. Now I have to try to get my money back from this hotel or get a voucher for later.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]Now am going to Bangkok, hopefully I get one in Dr BJ.[/QUOTE]The girls are pros, they can spot a newbie. Don't assume the price from what you've read; ask and CONFIRM. I know the prices from previous visits, but still ask. In two different BJ bars, when I asked how much for a Singha, told 150 baht, when I KNOW it's 100. I just said "No thank you", and started to leave. Each time, a [I]miracle[/I] occurred; "OK, discount for you, 100 baht. " Same with BJ price (the one [I]honest[/I] place was SOL). You've done your homework, you know what the price should be, just confirm. If it's higher, evaluate: worth the price, or not, FOR YOU? Same with service: state what you want and confirm. Any deviation? Stop immediately and apply direction. The scammers, as you've found out, rely on a punter's complacency.

If Dr BJ, or Chrome bar or whatever the name is now fails to impress, there are others. Last year, I'd have recommended SOL as LAST year, they had a couple of [I]nice[/I] women (took two). This year, not so much. The World? - well, once they DIM the lights... the top of a bobbing head and a nice rack to hold on to might satisfy your fantasy... You might walk by Kasalong or Lolitas, both off of Sukhumvit, Soi 8, to see if anyone strikes your fancy. Duangporn Heaven is just up Soi Asok, close to the BTS / MRT station. The ones I've mentioned will probably disappoint, like Jonat's massage did, but, you never know until you take a look. It's the hunt, the anticipation...

Hello there,

I will be travelling to Pattaya at the end of March and staying close to walking street, any advise on what apps or even website for freelancers and also I'm so looking for to try the soap massage so any insight on that would be great!

Cheers.

Why did you prepay for hotel? Asking bc I don't know, not criticism.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2433213]The only being safe is that you may not be able to get a flight out of here and will be stuck. Getting a disease? Nahh. My dad and nephew were supposed to come over tomorrow. My dad just called 2 minutes ago and said he was not coming, but my nephew is still coming. Now I have to try to get my money back from this hotel or get a voucher for later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2433152]The monkeys are not happy about the drop in visitors either.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY[/URL]

Hundreds of monkeys from two gangs engaged in a food brawl in Lop Buri.

[i]"This is the astonishing moment hundreds of hungry wild monkeys scramble for a single piece of food. The primates are normally well fed by tourists in the city of Lopburi, central Thailand, but visitors have plummeted because of the coronavirus. So when one of the primates had a juicy banana, the entire pack that roam around the streets surrounded the creature this morning (March 11) and tried to snatch it. Footage shows how hundreds of monkeys began tussling for the snack. When one of the animals fled with it, the creatures chased it up a grass bank. Even locals who are used to seeing the creatures were shocked by their ferocity. ONE said: 'They looked more like wild dogs than monkeys. They went crazy for the single piece of food. I've never seen them this aggressive. I think the monkeys were very, very hungry. There's normally a lot of tourists here to feed the monkeys but now there are not as many, because of the coronavirus."[/i]

This is why I am still planning to go to LOS unless my flight is cancelled. Someone has to take care of the girls. It is the humane thing to do.[/QUOTE]I have not experienced the supposedly customer starved girls fighting over my banana that way yet, Natty. But I am monitoring the situation and will report any notable developements as they occur. Of course, as always, YMMV and maybe by the time you arrive they will be fighting in the streets for it.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2433273]Why did you prepay for hotel? Asking bc I don't know, not criticism.[/QUOTE]First I went by the hotel to check prices. It was $41/day. I went home to cross check on [URL]hotels.com[/URL]. There are different options. You get the best rate when you select the option that is non-refundable. I was pretty sure my dad was coming so I booked the room for $33/day. I told my brother so he could book the same one for my nephew and he did the same. Then my dad backed out, but my nephew is still coming.

I went by the hotel a couple hours ago and they told me to contact hotels.com and they would in turn contact the hotel and they would refund me. It appears hotels.com is pretty busy because everyone else around the world is trying to do the same thing. It said wait time 10 hours!

Greetings gents!

I will be heading to Pataya in late April and I was wondering if I can find any guidelines. Places to avoid, App to use (besides tinder) and any good place for a good sensual soap massage.

I really appreciate it!

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2432604]Now am going to Bangkok, hopefully I get one in Dr BJ.[/QUOTE]I got a great BJ at Excite Club. I stayed downstairs and she pulled a curtain around the booth. Only 700 baht.

In Bangkok, I went to Kasalong off Soi 8. A real cutie blew me there and again, only 700 baht. Have fun and good luck!

[QUOTE=Fmojo;2433519]I got a great BJ at Excite Club. I stayed downstairs and she pulled a curtain around the booth. Only 700 baht.

In Bangkok, I went to Kasalong off Soi 8. A real cutie blew me there and again, only 700 baht. Have fun and good luck![/QUOTE]Good. As the saying in mongering world goes. "your mileage varies" and as 11 Bravo pointed out, she took full advantage of the newbie look on me. I should have confirmed and could have been assertive. Anyways lesson learnt.

I had good BJ at Wood Bar (previously Dr BJ) of course after a disastrous experience at the adjacent Eden Club. Wrote a detailed post of my utterly disappointing time at Eden club in Bangkok forum.

Will try the Soi 8 place.

I returned India after spending 5 days in Pattaya and 2 days in Bangkok. I had good to best times at all places and with all the girls except at Excite Club & Eden Club (Bangkok). I had anticipated to have good time at both these places and they utterly disappointed me esp. The Eden club.

This report is follow up of my Day1 trip report in Pattaya.

Day 2:

Noon / ST / TF: I lined up this real hottie from TF for 12 pm. She quoted 2 k, but accepted 1. 5 k. For 2 pops, BBBJ. She sent me her pictures and looked better in person. Boobs are copy, petite body, baby damage there but not much. She said 29 yrs but looked like in her early 20's.

She was talkative. Seems just came from a Bali trip and kept talking about it. Showered herself. Didn't join her in shower as I just had one. Gave a BBBJ and rode me. Some doggy style and finished. Talked more about her Bali trip and after sometime we showered together. Gave BBBJ again, and had sex with her sitting on the bathroom sink. As she is petite, she was really flexible with diff angles. Enjoyed the 2nd pop in bathroom. She left my room and me exhausted at around 1. 45 pm.

Girl - 9/10.

Loss - 1500, 2 pops.

WIR. Yes. I repeated her again for 1200/ ST.

Leh / Excite club: As I planned an exclusive BJ experience at either Jonat or Excite. I went to Excite. Wrote the not so good experience already.

After this bad experience, wanted 100% good sex, so went to Honey3 after some beers and food. The girl I met on Day 1 left early and somehow I couldn't chose anyone else. So msgd a prospect from TF.

Pinky / ST / TF: Not my type girl (I like good height) but stunning smile and original boobs. Asked 1200 but 1000 for ST agreed. Came around 11.30 pm. No major surprise. Looked same as in the pic, maybe gained little weight but not much. The smile and dimples were still a turn on for me. No baby damage and original, not saggy boobs. She visits temple and daily gives alms to monks. Not the right time / context to be talking about god's, but we did. Without realizing we spoke for about 45 minutes before we got into any action. Finally, we started, after some foreplay, she gave me BBBJ. I tried to finish in doggy style but couldn't. She gave me BBBJ again, I asked her if I could CIM and she said I can. A delightful soul I was, I missed it in Excite but here I was lucky. I did CIM, first for me and yeah enjoyed to hilt. After shower, we spoke again, went down together to bring some dinner and drinks. I had beer while she ate her meal. She asked me if she can stay overnight (apparently no customers). I said OK. Before sleeping, another BJ, another CIM and I slept like a pig. 100% GFE. Morning, no action as she was going to temple. Gave her 1000 + 200 as tip.

And donated another 300 b for a new mat she was buying for the temple. Not a scam, she sent pics of the new mat later in the day. Asked me to accompany her to temple but I couldn't.

Girl - 7/10.

Total loss - 1200/2 pops.

WIR. Yes. Repeated again for LT /2000 b.

Day3: Exhausted from day 2, didn't want any action until evening. So went to Koh Larn. Came back by noon, had beer and slept off.

Saai / Honey 3: went around 4 pm. Repeated this girl I met on Day1. When I went, she was busy. I waited for her for about 40 mins. When she came to me, she was really surprised and felt happy. She couldn't believe I came for her the day before, and again waited for her so long today. In the room I told her no showering. Just some good massage and sex. She cleaned my dick and cleaned herself. She worked in South Korea before. Her massage skills are above par and she is strong. Had a good proper massage and of course a good passionate sex. 100% GFE. Gave me her line ID. She asked me to come next day with her to another massage parlour where she gets her massage done.

Girl- 9.

Total loss - 2500.1 pop, real massage.

Natalie / LT: My hotel was right in the middle of Walking street but didn't visit any of the gogos or beer bars. So decided to pick a girl from one of the gogo or beer bars for LT. Next day was an early start, so wanted to pick a girl early. Entered a beer bar, played some pool had fun but didn't pick anyone from there. Started to walk again on the beach road, didn't find any FLs interesting. So planned to go to Windmill instead. It is very near to my hotel. Wanted to eat something before. Near to my hotel, just near Doll house, Scooter's bar there is an alley where many food stalls catering to the working girls are there. I was waiting for my satays & fried rice, when I saw a girl, taking her food and walking past me. It was like fuck her at first sight. I followed her some steps and asked her to wait. Told her I was staying at closeby hotel and was interested in her. She shared her lineid and hurried away towards Annabelle. I went to my hotel with my food and wondering how much I should spend for that girl, whom I really wanted. I sent her a msg and waited for reply. If no reply in next 30 mins, I planned to proceed to Windmill. Just as I finished eating and started for Windmill she replied. Asked me to come to her bar, but I really didn't want to spend on drinks, bar fine etc. So directly asked her how much for LT. She said no LT, but can come for ST, 1500. After 3 days, I did know which way the supply demand is skewed, so I said I can't. I proposed LT for 2000 (though I was ready to give 3500 for this stunner). She said she cannot come for LT and at that price. Now, I really liked this girl but I would also want to make best of the situation of less demand more supply. So I skipped my plan to go to Windmill, wait for another 30 mins and then propose 2500 k for LT as my last price. Just after 15 mins, she herself asked 2500 for LT. I couldn't resist myself, but I msgd 2200 as my last price. After 10 mins, voila, she agreed. I gave her money in advance. 2200 + 200 tip. She felt happy, as it was almost the same amt she asked. She said usually she won't budge from 2000 for ST and do not go for LT at all. But as these are quiet days, she has to come. We had sex before sleeping and some more in the morning. She was attractive, had good body, I liked her, but somehow, I didn't enjoy the sex as much I anticipated. It was good, but not best. GFE was lacking or probably I had too much expectations or too much sex or too tired.

Girl: 9.

Total loss: 2200 + 200 tip.

WIR: No.

Pattaya is alive and kicking at the moment. Even without the Riders of Wuhan the Walking street is full at night and LK Metro is also fine. Beer bars are a hit and miss as always.

Some comments about the agogos I visited:

- Pin Up: This bar was full of girls, 80+ each night I visited. The quality had dropped since last year, more silicon babes at the moment than in the past. Too many dancers in the stage at the same time, like sardins in the can.

- Palace, Tantra, Moon, Panda: Plastic looking interior, girls with operated noses and silicon tits. Not my cup of tea at all.

- Electric Blue / Beavers: This combination of 2 joined bars is good. Naked girls in both places and some really good bodies and pretty pussies on display. Did barfine 2 ladies from this place.

- Whats Up / Imagine: Some nice girls in both places. Especial note to a petite naturally busty babe called Milk who danced in both clubs. This one is a gem for some Asian punters. Go and get her!

- Infinity: Rather quiet place but had one dancer with excellent big original tits. I did not barfine her though because she did not speak english at all.

- Fahrenheit: Lot of dancers. A few really cute ones.

- Dollhouse and Annabels: Full of tiny tits Isaan girls, pussies are often on display. One had a magnificent pussy hair trim, like an eagle.

LK Metro: Champagne, Queen and Kink were the best ones there for my taste.

Soi 6: Bars were full of girls already in the afternoon. Quite nice quality I must say. I had the best fuck of my whole Pattaya trip in one of these bars. Truly nice slim lady with a body and tight pussy to die for. 28 years old. Sadly my last day in P, otherwise I would barfine her for sure.

One of my best visits to Pattaya I must say. Not too crowded in all places and truly a buyers market. Thanks for Corona.

AP.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2433618]Pattaya is alive and kicking at the moment. Even without the Riders of Wuhan the Walking street is full at night and LK Metro is also fine. Beer bars are a hit and miss as always.

Some comments about the agogos I visited:

- Pin Up: This bar was full of girls, 80+ each night I visited. The quality had dropped since last year, more silicon babes at the moment than in the past. Too many dancers in the stage at the same time, like sardins in the can.

- Palace, Tantra, Moon, Panda: Plastic looking interior, girls with operated noses and silicon tits. Not my cup of tea at all.

- Electric Blue / Beavers: This combination of 2 joined bars is good. Naked girls in both places and some really good bodies and pretty pussies on display. Did barfine 2 ladies from this place.

- Whats Up / Imagine: Some nice girls in both places. Especial note to a petite naturally busty babe called Milk who danced in both clubs. This one is a gem for some Asian punters. Go and get her!

- Infinity: Rather quiet place but had one dancer with excellent big original tits. I did not barfine her though because she did not speak english at all.

- Fahrenheit: Lot of dancers. A few really cute ones.

- Dollhouse and Annabels: Full of tiny tits Isaan girls, pussies are often on display. One had a magnificent pussy hair trim, like an eagle.

LK Metro: Champagne, Queen and Kink were the best ones there for my taste.

Soi 6: Bars were full of girls already in the afternoon. Quite nice quality I must say. I had the best fuck of my whole Pattaya trip in one of these bars. Truly nice slim lady with a body and tight pussy to die for. 28 years old. Sadly my last day in P, otherwise I would barfine her for sure.

One of my best visits to Pattaya I must say. Not too crowded in all places and truly a buyers market. Thanks for Corona.

AP.[/QUOTE]Thank you for a straight-to-the point report! Great work. A bit surprised that the activity in Pattaya seems to be reasonably good. Not too crowded is good!

[QUOTE=Tunisiano;2433349]Greetings gents!

I will be heading to Pataya in late April and I was wondering if I can find any guidelines. Places to avoid, App to use (besides tinder) and any good place for a good sensual soap massage.

I really appreciate it![/QUOTE]April will be hot. Avoid swimming in the ocean unless you're on one of the off-shore islands. Avoid any places with Russian or Eastern European looking girls. Avoid touts holding cards depicting what looks like screenshots from PornHub. Avoid the so-called "Gentlemen's Clubs" unless you are really desperate during daylight. And if you are, find that oldest strip joint in Pattaya, Tahitian Queen, on Beach Road, a little north of Hooters. Thai Friendly works, but it's hit or miss and often for immediate action for girls with rent due. Many look better than they look. Pictures aren't always worth a thousand words. Pay the 20 bucks for a month rather than put up with all kinds of restrictions. There are four or five soapies near the Marina Shopping Mall (just south of Terminal 21 Shopping Mall, on 2nd road. Another one or two off Soi Bukhao near Soi Metro. Can't miss them. The ladies are usually older, much more made up with enough stuffing to puff up their boobs to fill a few Thanksgiving turkeys. It really will depend on the girl and all these places are hit or miss. Prettiest girls in the City will be at Pin Ups or Palace on Walking Street. Dozens and dozens all packed together. "Easiest, and most approachable are at WindMill, Anabelles and Doll House just off Walking Street with the first two on Soi Diamond.

Good luck. Once here you will realize that you are dead and are now in heaven. Forget anything you know about women from experience in the West and don't pay for dead water buffaloes.

Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now. Unfortunately, I am stuck in New York City this month.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2433618]Some comments about the agogos I visited:
<snip> Moon,[/QUOTE]Do you mean Moon Club on Walking Street? It's been closed for years.

[QUOTE=Naidusu;2433588]Saai / Honey 3: went around 4 pm. [/QUOTE]Do you mean Honey 1 on Soi 11 between 2nd and Buakhao? Honey 2 at Soi 3 and 2nd? If not, where is Honey 3?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2433781]Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now. Unfortunately, I am stuck in New York City this month.

Do you mean Moon Club on Walking Street? It's been closed for years.

Do you mean Honey 1 on Soi 11 between 2nd and Buakhao? Honey 2 at Soi 3 and 2nd? If not, where is Honey 3?[/QUOTE]A. The Avenue isn't being " Built " like from scratch the major anchor tenants are still there like McDonald's, The Movie Theater, the rest of the area supposed to be broken up and rented out to takers it is them that will build what is desired for their business. The desired opening was to be end of this month. I will go by and update unless someone else beats me to it.

B. Moon Club original location was just at the foot of Walking St. And Soi Diamond, it closed down for a long time as you know and months ago opened up at the foot of Walking Street just outside the walking path to Happy AGoGo, forgot the name of that old club nor sure if the former Moon is the same owner or just using the name?

C. Honey 3, I believe is the new complex on Pattaya Tai, nested between the Friendship Market and Tuk Com.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2433781]Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now.[/QUOTE]Just so happened that I was there last night checking the scene out. Did not see a gd thing! I guess it was just someone's fantasy. Or maybe they could be doing some work up on the second floor where it is boarded up. I would really be stunned if someone allowed debauchery shops to be opened right in the center of that busy shopping plaza though.

I went by Avenue just now, the ground street level is pretty much the same that seems to be where all the rent is coming from.

I started at the top, the fitness center next to the movie theater is closed, movie theater and bowling venue are still there. The Thai passport office is also still there along with still lots of space to rent out there were what I saw was a number of good enclosed circular spaces that would make nice size GoGo's improvement from those tight narrow rectangle spaces. Plenty of space for open Beer Bars but not sure how that would go with the rest of the other venues noted especially the Thai passport office?

The second floor, lots of spaces once again for GoGo or Beer Bars, Robin Nest Restaurant still on the other end which I hear is staying. Overall, I saw no signs indicating spaces for rent nor did I see any constructions or signs going up indicated " future home "!

The news and all the hype was the end of March for the Grand opening from what I saw I wouldn't hold my breath but you never know things happen fast at times?

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[QUOTE=Sammon;2433150]Actually it is better to be safe. I have cancelled hotels and flights. Was planning Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok. Couple of hotels dragging their feet to give refunds but airline and some hotels did refund in full.

All the dating site girls who were supposed to stay with me are not happy. Oh, well.[/QUOTE]Funny to see someone who has no problems having sex with dozens of women, some of whom will have some type of stis, yet are worried about a flu like virus enough to cancel a trip where you would be doing something potentially more risky.

Don't get me wrong I love the ladies, but I'm also not changing my plans over covid.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2433974]Funny to see someone who has no problems having sex with dozens of women, some of whom will have some type of stis, yet are worried about a flu like virus enough to cancel a trip where you would be doing something potentially more risky.

Don't get me wrong I love the ladies, but I'm also not changing my plans over covid.[/QUOTE]It is not the Corona virus I am worried about. It is about other hassles of international travel. Airport checks, visa on entry, hotel restrictions, quarantine on return to USA or quarantine at destinations.

Situations are fluid right now. Things are changing day to day.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2433974]Funny to see someone who has no problems having sex with dozens of women, some of whom will have some type of stis, yet are worried about a flu like virus enough to cancel a trip where you would be doing something potentially more risky.

Don't get me wrong I love the ladies, but I'm also not changing my plans over covid.[/QUOTE]I just spent a month there, and I totally agree. We (mongers) are sleeping with women that we have known for 20 minutes, so the virus is no big deal. What a big deal is, getting stuck over there, or being forced to quarantine for 2 weeks. I would hate to be stuck in Bangkok in a hotel room by myself for 14 days. Highlights from my trip.

1) Supply of women was huge, and the ladies were very willing to accommodate any of my requests. And I make requests. (wink).

2) Met a Russian Go Go girl coming off shift, she approached me, only asked for 1 k for LT.

3) I did 1 to 3 a day versus my last trip when I just kept one for most of my trip and a few others on the side. (I am in contact with the girl from last trip, but her family needed her and couldn't see me this trip).

4) Have 3 new hotties for regulars, all three are hot and I have their lines.

Best joke of the trip. My wingman and I went to Soi 6, and I ended up buying drinks for about the only girl that was not barfineable. So went back to my hotel and texted a favorite. When she arrived, she asked if I just slept with someone else. I said no, I struck out on Soi 6. She fell on the floor laughing and stayed the night. She still doesn't know its true.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2433976]It is not the Corona virus I am worried about. It is about other hassles of international travel. Airport checks, visa on entry, hotel restrictions, quarantine on return to USA or quarantine at destinations.

Situations are fluid right now. Things are changing day to day.[/QUOTE]Spot on explanation, I feel same way!

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2433974]Funny to see someone who has no problems having sex with dozens of women, some of whom will have some type of stis, yet are worried about a flu like virus enough to cancel a trip where you would be doing something potentially more risky.

Don't get me wrong I love the ladies, but I'm also not changing my plans over covid.[/QUOTE]Here here. Could not agree with you more. This is a great time to travel, if you can avoid the restrictions.

The skin color does not mean anything in Thailand.

But it helps when you are in an marriage age.

For an older man like me (63) each slim girl is way to expensive.

It is true, Thai are discriminating, but that is a common thing in Asia, first the family, than the same dialect, than the same country, than the other Asians.

Foreigners are only accepted if they listen and help, Foreigners are never really accepted, cause we don't know how it should work in their country.

I have now 3 year relation with a slim Pinay (she will also never listen to me only to my money).

I can tell you that I was afraid when she fighter me in Pattaya.

Asians boys, specially Thai, will kick you to the ground if they see a foreigner fight a small Asian.

I am dutch so not so good English typing.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2421265]All the girls have opinions. It depends on them who to go with and who not to go with. Maybe some had bad e experience with somebody. This could be Germans, French, Americans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese or any number if nationalities who visit there. Yes, sometimes Indians are denied entry in clubs. This maybe due to they have bad experiences before.

I am sure vast majority of Indians are liked. I am sure many go home happy. There are literally thousands of willing girls. Maybe some prefer Koreans only, or prefer British only. Likewise they may not like some nationalities.

I am sure many Indian visitors spend lots of money and well behaved. You cannot stereotype whole people. Especially not take the word of a street prostitute. If she did not like to go with Indians why did she go with one to a club willingly. Maybe the guy was negotiating cheaper price. We all negotiate..[/QUOTE]

If you believe all the numbers being reported are accurate, it's safer now to be in SE Asia than it is to be in USA or Europe. Fewer new cases and fewer total cases.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2433809]Honey 3, I believe is the new complex on Pattaya Tai, nested between the Friendship Market and Tuk Com.[/QUOTE]I thought they were building a condo / hotel there. Didn't really pay attention. No idea it was a soapie they were bulding. Odd location. Good that it's right off Soi Buakhao but that's just taking customers away from Honey 2. Hoping to get Farang from Tukcom?

Thanks Mr. E and LBM for the Avenue Mall updates or lack thereof. Was hoping to have a new hangout when I return. Will be a tough sell leasing out new gogo bars now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2433781]Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now.[/QUOTE]I heard it's been delayed, something about a virus going around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2434051]If you believe all the numbers being reported are accurate, it's safer now to be in SE Asia than it is to be in USA or Europe. Fewer new cases and fewer total cases.[/QUOTE]It's a kick in the head, ain't it? If we in the USA Weren't such arrogant, "our way or the highway" morons, we might be working on a growth / decline curve that looks more like South Korea and China rather than Italy's. We can find more ways to make the absolute wrong choice than one would think is possible.

[QUOTE=PenName11;2434096]It's a kick in the head, ain't it? If we in the USA Weren't such arrogant, "our way or the highway" morons, we might be working on a growth / decline curve that looks more like South Korea and China rather than Italy's. We can find more ways to make the absolute wrong choice than one would think is possible.[/QUOTE]Well, if we had a true public heath system that could kick into gear at a moment's notice. But we have a "for-profit" system and preparedness is not "profitable. " Just another reason to show that health care is too important to be trusted to "for-profit" entities.

Great time to be in Pattaya. A chick from Thai Friendly that works at a massage shop has been trying to get with me the last few days. She said 8 girls work there but only her and 3 others live at the shop. I finally caved in and gave her a shot last night. Bargained for 500 LT. I went to get her at 10 last night. Total GFE. Her mouth and her pussy felt like silk soaked in vegetable oil. She had to be at work at 10 this morning so I dropped her off at 9:50.

[QUOTE=PenName11;2434096]It's a kick in the head, ain't it? If we in the USA Weren't such arrogant, "our way or the highway" morons.[/QUOTE]Liberalism is a mental disorder, seek help.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2434229]Liberalism is a mental disorder, seek help.[/QUOTE]Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Its adherents are generally higher educated erudite more successful culturally aware well-adjusted humanitarian members of society.

Fascism on the other hand is authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, suppression of the media, demonetization and suppression of any opposition. Ring any bells? Its adherents are generally lower IQ misfits disgruntled nationalistic often racist social misfit pissed off bottom feeders prone to violence.

So who needs help?

[QUOTE=PenName11;2434096]It's a kick in the head, ain't it? If we in the USA Weren't such arrogant, "our way or the highway" morons, we might be working on a growth / decline curve that looks more like South Korea and China rather than Italy's. We can find more ways to make the absolute wrong choice than one would think is possible.[/QUOTE]No one country has a license on arrogance! If you want China to be your world leader I suggest you try living there first!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2433781]Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now. Unfortunately, I am stuck in New York City this month.

Do you mean Moon Club on Walking Street? It's been closed for years.

Do you mean Honey 1 on Soi 11 between 2nd and Buakhao? Honey 2 at Soi 3 and 2nd? If not, where is Honey 3?[/QUOTE]No, there is a agogo bar called Moon situated close to Pin Up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2434051]If you believe all the numbers being reported are accurate, it's safer now to be in SE Asia than it is to be in USA or Europe. Fewer new cases and fewer total cases.[/QUOTE]I think Europe is the epicenter of accurate reporting.

I heard from two persons today that there is a risk of bars will be forced to close for some time. So I had to search for the news about it and it does seem like bars etc can close. Tomorrow there will be a government meeting where it will be discussed. I certainly hope this will not happen.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/286064[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2434489]I heard from two persons today that there is a risk of bars will be forced to close for some time. [/QUOTE]Some guys would actually prefer this. Would eliminate barfines and lady drinks in most cases. If a girl wants to work, she will just become a Beach Road FL, use an online App, or work at a massage place. The really creative ones will ride around on a baht bus picking up guys.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2434489]I heard from two persons today that there is a risk of bars will be forced to close for some time. So I had to search for the news about it and it does seem like bars etc can close. Tomorrow there will be a government meeting where it will be discussed. I certainly hope this will not happen.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/286064[/URL][/QUOTE]It happened already in Angeles City. The Thai PM is saying no now but tomorrow may he may change his tune.

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/thai-prime-minister-rejects-suggestion-to-close-nightlife-bar-and-entertainment-industry-at-this-time/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2434489]I heard from two persons today that there is a risk of bars will be forced to close for some time. So I had to search for the news about it and it does seem like bars etc can close. Tomorrow there will be a government meeting where it will be discussed. I certainly hope this will not happen.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/286064[/URL][/QUOTE]Well that is fucking dumb. As if the disease can only spread in bars. What about massage parlors, restaurants, malls, temples, schools, etc? Right now everything is in full swing though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2433781]Anyone on the ground can update us on what is happening with the new "Nana Plaza" being built at Avenue Mall? It was supposed to open around now. Unfortunately, I am stuck in New York City this month.

Do you mean Moon Club on Walking Street? It's been closed for years.

Do you mean Honey 1 on Soi 11 between 2nd and Buakhao? Honey 2 at Soi 3 and 2nd? If not, where is Honey 3?[/QUOTE]Apologies. My bad. It is Honey2, opp Sabai room, next to Sabai Dee.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2434489]I heard from two persons today that there is a risk of bars will be forced to close for some time. So I had to search for the news about it and it does seem like bars etc can close. Tomorrow there will be a government meeting where it will be discussed. I certainly hope this will not happen.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/286064[/URL][/QUOTE]Even before my outing last night with my cousin from H. K. Who owns a pad in Bangkok one can see at night, in particular, the downslide in people. After light dinner, we headed to our favorite Bacarra although a bunch of new popular Asian clubs I still like the place been a regular since the day they open due to circumstances I've not visited for some time my cousin promised his former regular since she decided to return to the village due to the lack of customer.

In the past, even on slow times, Bacarra was still wall to wall customers when we walked in there was like 6 customers although still early I could see the number of girls working was cut in half upstairs was now closed. After talking to the manager and head mamasan the salary has been reduced and the shows which pay extra to showgirls has been eliminated.

Although lacking in customers across from us and on the left side was a small young group of Japanese they kept all the girls hopping around for ping pongs it was like a contest between the two groups both I surmise spent easily 10,000 baht on basket one guy got up and threw out a stack of 1000 baht notes one girl who works as a hostess considers me like an older brother came over to say Hello, and gave me the load down.

It has been a while since I could sit and get a full view of all the girls my cousin who is considered a whale was picking up the tab so while the other two groups were tossing money he was buying drinks for his regular and all her friends I sat and got smiles from all the others girls wanting to get into the action. In the end, I knew where this was going while both continue to throw money our group grew larger than the money tosser because of my cousin, like to BF his regular and a bunch of her friends of choice to go eat and party at local Thai places and this is exactly what happens in the end. Although I had no plans to partake #133 her friend came along I did seem interested because she had a great smile and nice body and legs.

After a few hours of partying the group started to split up by now, I had made a great impression on #133 regardless of two kids and a Thai Boyfriend she was party girl tonight I guess since no Songkran this year so tonight was her night to let loose luckily even for an old guy and not really interested.

During the evening while eating the girls were discussing tomorrow they were told whether the clubs will be closing for at least for a month if so what were they going to do? Maybe why #133 was so interested in me and after last night if she performs in the future as she did last night I will be keeping her busy. What I see many clubs on Walking St. Were hurting before the Virus, I saw Infinity and Nui 2 was closed last night plus Heaven Above. With the ownership structure of many of the GoGo on LK metro unless the landlord makes a reduction I don't see many coming out of temporary closure.

Depending on the closure restrictions things might open up for Soi like 6, but I see Massage parlors and Gentlemen Clubs really benefitting the most plus the Freelance market should explore. I believe in the free market in time we might see a whole new market less venues? prices lower I don't know but it should be really interesting. While parking the Van last night behind Marine Seafood, I noticed many of the restaurants, massage places close on the far end of 2nd road with the high rents we will see who has the deep pockets to survive?

I don't see it getting any better it is tough enough getting a handle even for a country in the West like U.S. the government here has no clue they follow like Monkey's open their racist mouth. You got people screening you at Makro yet when you go into a major hospital like Bangkok Pattaya all they have done is put a fine piece of ass at the door putting a green sticker on your shirt! I ask recently on another forum if I suspect where does one goes to even get tested since no one wants to be around the person especially here in Pattaya the numbers will grow and will continue to grow. Going to a temple isn't going to solve the problem!

Really, I wanted to stop at #333, but couldn't help chime in when saw it was deemed necessary. Don't believe the hearsay about bar closures and just go see for yourself. Monkeypaw is alive and kicking and STILL "on the ground" in Thailand. Just spent a week in BKK, and Billboard in Nana is Monkeypaw's new #1 go go bar in Bangkok with the sheer number and quality of girls, especially after the renovations, new lighting, and that huge LED screen added near the naked tub. Yesterday, was able to talk down a girl from 2500ST to what was left in my wallet, not wanting to hit the ATM. She left with 1160 baht foe 2 hours on play. Not quite Mr. E bargain, but a bargain nonetheless.

Now. On my way to Pattaya to "party and play" with the girls. Nothing like getting high with girls during a threesome, while watching the world as we know it is end. I knew that eventually my USA passport would come in handy, when my Hong Kong one let me down. I'm one lucky dude! And the party continues, while the saga goes on.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/p...n-for-business[/URL]

Spent the weekend in Pattaya (first time) and didn't make it out of Soi 6. All the bars I saw were less than half full, if indeed they had Ny customers at all. Enough eye candy for anyone, sitting round looking disinterested. BF 400 and st 1000, services very negotiable. Girls I spoke to said several no BF for 4 days+ and only a drink or 2 if lucky. Some talked about going home, others were talking about travel to Korea and accepting 14 days without pay. I had a fabulous time there, but I felt leaving today is perfect timing to be getting out as covid case numbers are starting to climb after a long pause.

Well just back home after 4 days in Pattaya. Firstly, it is obvious that the Asian and Indian numbers are way down along with the European numbers. Did not see a lot of USA guys either. Walking Street was very quiet compared to my past trips.

Soi 6 had lost of girls but very low numbers of punters. Visited a number of bars and settled in Pussy Club Bar the most. There were some cute ones in Nature Bar and Roxy as well. Girls were all desperate for cash as the punters were low in numbers. Only bar that we had a hassle in was the gogo bar near beach road. Girls were not interested in our money for boom boom and only wanted drinks. We moved on once that became apparent. We did have fun in the other Soi 6 bars though and the girls were very eager to please. Also found Scooters bar in Soi 8 to be worth a visit.

The bars we visited on Walking Street were Sapphire (my favourite) and Happy which also had some doable girls. Both lacked punter numbers but that was a good thing for us. Both sets of the gogo girls were very hungry to get barfined. Took a few out to iBar and noticed it was still fairly busy with a lot of girls.

We also visited Kink in LK Metro but found the quality a little low. The freelance bar on the corner in LK Metro had a lot of low quality girls as well but we did not bother to stay long.

Over the course of the 4 days we barfined about 4 girls from the gogos and visited Soi 6 each day for a few rounds there as well. So all up, a very worthwhile trip and just in time to beat the inevitable shutdown that will come with Covid19.

Happy Hunting.

Me and my nephew were chillin on the 6 tonight. I was at the bar where a chick that I always see in 808 works. A man came up on a motorbike. A lot of the girls went for their bags and took out money and a yellow card. When the guy left I asked the chick who he was. He was a creditor. When the people drive up and down the soi selling things the girls can get it on credit. The guy comes around everyday to collect 60 baht until it is paid off. The chick I was with said that she had gotten a comforter set. 3900 baht is what she has to pay off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2434839]Me and my nephew were chillin on the 6 tonight. I was at the bar where a chick that I always see in 808 works. A man came up on a motorbike. A lot of the girls went for their bags and took out money and a yellow card. When the guy left I asked the chick who he was. He was a creditor. When the people drive up and down the soi selling things the girls can get it on credit. The guy comes around everyday to collect 60 baht until it is paid off. The chick I was with said that she had gotten a comforter set. 3900 baht is what she has to pay off.[/QUOTE]Very interesting, thanks for that post. I had no idea that such a system existed. Small, daily payments for over 2 months.

I like learning this sort of things. It makes me feel fortunate that I had the opportunities that were available to me for many decades.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2434839]The guy comes around everyday to collect 60 baht until it is paid off. The chick I was with said that she had gotten a comforter set. 3900 baht is what she has to pay off.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls I am very close to who work in LK Metro take their loans from the pawn shops. I ask them where their nice watch or cell phone are and they say they had to use it as collateral to get money to pay for rent, etc. I don't recall if they had to pay back 100 baht per day or per week since, TBH, I don't listen when girls talk about their need for money. They usually have enough to pay off the loan when they get their contract money and the process begins again until they finish their next contract.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2434753]Well just back home after 4 days in Pattaya. . . . So all up, a very worthwhile trip and just in time to beat the inevitable shutdown that will come with Covid19.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Very informative, and well written. Thanks to Mr. Axiata for taking the time to post.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2434856]Some of the girls I am very close to who work in LK Metro take their loans from the pawn shops. I ask them where their nice watch or cell phone are and they say they had to use it as collateral to get money to pay for rent, etc. I don't recall if they had to pay back 100 baht per day or per week since, TBH, I don't listen when girls talk about their need for money. They usually have enough to pay off the loan when they get their contract money and the process begins again until they finish their next contract.[/QUOTE]When it comes to pawning Gold for cash it is rare you will be able to pay back a bit at a time as Mr. E indicates, it is a flat lump sum for a period of time then it is gone. There are independent Gold sellers who run around local markets that sell Gold (legit) to those who feel they can pay must provide a I. The. Address to verify overall you pay a bit more for the piece but you are able to make weekly payment.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2434753]Well just back home after 4 days in Pattaya. Firstly, it is obvious that the Asian and Indian numbers are way down along with the European numbers. Did not see a lot of USA guys either. Walking Street was very quiet compared to my past trips.

Soi 6 had lost of girls but very low numbers of punters. Visited a number of bars and settled in Pussy Club Bar the most. There were some cute ones in Nature Bar and Roxy as well. Girls were all desperate for cash as the punters were low in numbers. Only bar that we had a hassle in was the gogo bar near beach road. Girls were not interested in our money for boom boom and only wanted drinks. We moved on once that became apparent. We did have fun in the other Soi 6 bars though and the girls were very eager to please. Also found Scooters bar in Soi 8 to be worth a visit.

The bars we visited on Walking Street were Sapphire (my favourite) and Happy which also had some doable girls. Both lacked punter numbers but that was a good thing for us. Both sets of the gogo girls were very hungry to get barfined. Took a few out to iBar and noticed it was still fairly busy with a lot of girls.

We also visited Kink in LK Metro but found the quality a little low. The freelance bar on the corner in LK Metro had a lot of low quality girls as well but we did not bother to stay long.

Over the course of the 4 days we barfined about 4 girls from the gogos and visited Soi 6 each day for a few rounds there as well. So all up, a very worthwhile trip and just in time to beat the inevitable shutdown that will come with Covid19.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Solid Info Axiata. Sounds like it was a great 4 day getaway! * 5 Stars.

At this point I am just waiting to see if 1) My flight is cancelled. 2) Thai immigration will still let Americans into the country by the time I get there in late April. & 3) The bars & clubs remain open. I heard Mandarin (Nana) Go Go is closed. As Tom Petty once said, "the waiting is the hardest part."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2Br5OLPlQ

Natty, apropos your second point.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2434980]At this point I am just waiting to see if 1) My flight is cancelled. 2) Thai immigration will still let Americans into the country by the time I get there in late April. & 3) The bars & clubs remain open. I heard Mandarin (Nana) Go Go is closed. As Tom Petty once said, "the waiting is the hardest part." [/QUOTE]I think the Tom Petty tune the Thai Immigration will be playing for you is [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m576G3UWUCU[/URL].

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/17/pattaya-to-close-all-entertainment-venues-such-as-bars-nightclubs-and-massage-shops-until-the-end-of-the-month/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2435205][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/17/pattaya-to-close-all-entertainment-venues-such-as-bars-nightclubs-and-massage-shops-until-the-end-of-the-month/[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow. I have my ticket for late May. We will see.

"Now, Thailand has closed entertainment spots everywhere. " Other source in Pattaya Soi 6. Can someone confirm?

Personally I am in Paris I canceled my trip to Pattaya in emergency yesterday morning death in the soul because of the closing of the borders which was looming. FYI Walking Street in Angeles City has closed all bars and gogos since the day before yesterday.

It's war we're telling you.

Anyone thinking about arriving in Thailand in the near future should consider:

"The new measure requires all nationalities arriving in the kingdom to show a medical certificate, issued no more than three days prior to their arrival, have purchased an insurance plan for COVID-19 and giving consent to allow authorities to install a monitoring application on their smart phone."

It looks like there's a 14 day quarantine for some countries also.

[URL]https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/ind_outbreak.php[/URL]

I'm always hesitant to post this type of comment bc it's pretty useless to anyone. But I was walking down soi 6 and met a pretty 23 year old in one of the bars. We talked for a bit, I bought her a drink. After a bit she suggested we go upstairs. It cost 400 thb barfine and 1000 to her.

Upstairs we took shower. She laid on top of me and we kissed for a bit then she gave me a blow job. Then her on top for a bit and we finished with me on top.

The reason I'm posting this is bc it was a lot of fun. She was a friendly person. Had a big butt that looked amazing. She had nice titties and no baby damage. I'm 58. Its really nice that such an attractive 23 year old wants to screw me, no matter if it's just for the money.

Anyway like the title says, I got laid in pattaya and it was fun.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2435205][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/17/pattaya-to-close-all-entertainment-venues-such-as-bars-nightclubs-and-massage-shops-until-the-end-of-the-month/[/URL][/QUOTE]1) Pattaya Mail has a slightly different take on this: [URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/featured/covid-19-closes-bangkok-bars-pattaya-next-owners-predict-291498[/URL].

2) "Provincial Government of Banglamung and Chonburi" - odd phrase! It would either be Chonburi Provincial Government and / or Banglamung Amphoe (District) Administration. Things like opening hours clampdowns are usually at the direction of Pattaya City Hall.

I am not saying that the closure isn't going to happen, just that Pattaya News are telling a different story and with somewhat sloppy journalism.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/featured/covid-19-closes-pattaya-schools-stadiums-movie-theaters-bars-and-entertainment-venues-291649[/URL]

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2435385][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/featured/covid-19-closes-pattaya-schools-stadiums-movie-theaters-bars-and-entertainment-venues-291649[/URL][/QUOTE]"If we are to close to prevent Covid-19, we need time," Damrongkiat said. "Our employees require time to manage the situation as well.

Sure. Just let the virus know when you are ready.

At 4:30 the authorities rode down Soi Buakhao saying on the loudspeaker that everything (even restaurants) must close now. It appears nobody listened because everything is still in full swing. Right before that, at the pool hall they pulled down the outside shutters but said that we could keep playing for now.

5:55 pm and bars still open in LK Metro. People playing pool in Kilkenny.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2435411]At 4:30 the authorities rode down Soi Buakhao saying on the loudspeaker that everything (even restaurants) must close now. Right before that, at the pool hall they pulled down the outside shutters but said that we could keep playing for now.[/QUOTE]I decided to do the round today to see if anything is changing although it was still early! After leaving Big see extra on Pattaya Klang, prior I noticed all the major banks exchanged booths were all closed! T. T. Was open with current rates 32.20 many of the T. T. Both throughout Soi Buakhao /2nd Roady are as high as 32.27.

Started on Soi 6, many were closed those that weren't had half shutters girls were all in street clothes playing with their phones like they were waiting for some official noticed. I stopped by Foxy Bar part to see the manager they are part of the Nightwish Group the placed was packed with girls they were having a meeting one girl told me they are closing.

Cruise down Beach Road up Soi 8 and back down 7, many of the Big Beer bars were closed there was a number with just customer drinking lights off no music. The large drinking venues were all open. Down the rest of Beach road, I noticed a number of large massage places closed but nearly all the smaller ones were opened.

I had to make a stop at Tukcom, nothing unusual about the area seem normal again all massage places were opened. Left into Soi Baukhao, many of the beer bars were closed those opened seem to just be laying low only to see what is going to happen. I noticed none of the massage shops were closed legit or not turn left in LK Metro largest BB Billibong no customer with a few employees sitting and waiting? Went through Soi Pothole nothing seem out of the ordinary all massages were opened and still plenty on this Soi drinking!

On my way back to the Darkside, nothing closed everything opened.

If these police orders are anything like the Immigration requirement the left doesn't know what the right is doing everything is up to interpretation which means " monkey see monkey do " each day is a different day. As for this government, you live here long enough the government setup is no different than places like Iraq / Afganistan they will stand together for photo ops but thereafter they do their own thing the Mayor is nothing but a puppet he has no say over what the police really want to do in Banglamung nor the Mayor in Nongprue, Mayor of Jomtien or the police in both of these areas. As long as they continue to get theirs they couldn't care less about a Virus.

Regardless of the mandate each day you will see modifications to the order just like a few years ago when puppet man took over the country! Money talks, in the end, this is the only thing these guys care about.

Another fucked up part is that many of the chicks live where they work. With those places closed they can not stay there. Earlier my mamasan asked if she can come stay with me for 14 days. I said nope. A minute ago one of my massage chicks said that she has until tomorrow to get out of the shop. She said the owner already went home and nobody is allowed to be inside the place for 14 days.

Would it be fair to say that freelancer prices on Beach Road are going to fall?. That is if most of the women are either going to deal with it or, simply go back home to Issan. This virus is reaaaaaaallly fucking up people's lives all across the globe!.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2435444]Would it be fair to say that freelancer prices on Beach Road are going to fall?. That is if most of the women are either going to deal with it or, simply go back home to Issan. This virus is reaaaaaaallly fucking up people's lives all across the globe!.[/QUOTE]There just a few weeks ago, one hottie just asked 800. I think anyone can counter a 1 k to 800, and have it get accepted. Girls told me some mediocre women took 500.

9:30 pm at LK Metro. All lights are off.

Mass exodus of Farang from Pattaya soon. If the virus drags on for a few months many bars / restaurants will not reopen.

Per a Nightwish Manager: Girls at Soi 6 Nightwish bars are now freelancers. If you do a ST at the bar there is a BF. If you take them out of the bar there is No BF. They are not selling alcohol. The girls will be living on the premises. But some girls have chosen to leave. Around 7p, the police were making their rounds making sure bars were closed. The Beer Garden near WS is currently crowded and is Full of FL. Hooters and Hops are also crowded. There is NO alcohol ban, you can buy at restaurants and 7-11, Family Mart, Tesco. Pattaya has become FL only.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2435499]Per a Nightwish Manager: Girls at Soi 6 Nightwish bars are now freelancers. If you do a ST at the bar there is a BF. If you take them out of the bar there is No BF. They are not selling alcohol. The girls will be living on the premises. But some girls have chosen to leave. Around 7p, the police were making their rounds making sure bars were closed. The Beer Garden near WS is currently crowded and is Full of FL. Hooters and Hops are also crowded. There is NO alcohol ban, you can buy at restaurants and 7-11, Family Mart, Tesco. Pattaya has become FL only.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't see it going for the full 14 days tonight there were around 20% BB opened many had the light out and laying low those serving even chicken wings were using that as an excuse to be opened. I say the majority of the massage places on Soi Baukhao were opened although on Soi Pothole many were closed or had light down the same with Soi Honey! Majority of the GC were closed but I don't see that lasting.

The whole point for the closure is to prevent large crowds and what was written it goes against the mandated food or no food and the power owners aren't going to stand for it even for the Virus. I see each day and night more and more will not follow the ban as it was intended.

Some establishments just turned off the music and pretend they are closed but with customers. 11 pm large police force with photographers and video shotters raid all over soi bokahoo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2435497]9:30 pm at LK Metro. All lights are off.[/QUOTE]All the stuff that was opened earlier is closed now. And wouldn't you know I could use a massage right now. Good thing Thaifriendly is working fine!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2435497]9:30 pm at LK Metro. All lights are off.

Mass exodus of Farang from Pattaya soon. If the virus drags on for a few months many bars / restaurants will not reopen.[/QUOTE]This is bad news for the bars and the girls. I was lucky to visit Thailand just in time before things exploded. Corona-Reaper has cleared the city now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2435528]All the stuff that was opened earlier is closed now. And wouldn't you know I could use a massage right now. Good thing Thaifriendly is working fine![/QUOTE]What is Thaifriendly?

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2435630]This is bad news for the bars and the girls. [/QUOTE]Its very good news. Bar girls are flooding the streets and dating sites at half the price. No bar fine no drinks no load stupid music.

I walked down soi 6 about 30 minutes ago or about 1 pm. There were some women sitting at about a dozen or so bars. Only 1 placed yelled out: Hello, welcome" but most bars a women would smile and let me know she was open for business if the bar wasn't.

What would be a fair price to get one overnight? And what time does beach road get busy? Thanks.

Just had a Soi 6 girl over at the hotel. She said many Soi 6 places are still sort of operating. Something to do with Nightwish group pulling strings.

I pay 1500 for outcall. Basically what an incall would cost me so nothing changed as far as the price is concerned.

I had another Soi 6 girl at the hotel yesterday. She went back home today but said she was available for a beach holiday at 3000/day. This is perhaps a good time to skip the barfine on a dream holiday

[QUOTE=Horatio;2435723]What would be a fair price to get one overnight?[/QUOTE]Went to Soi 6 the other night. Got 3 chicks' contacts (2 were from the Nightwish Group). Told them to come see me after work. They said they finish at 2. Really I didn't even want company.

My ex-girlfriend hit me up sometime that night and said she was going out with a friend. I told her to have fun. At 1:50 am I was at home catching up on my shows. She hit me up saying she was drunk and her friend did not want her to leave. She asked me to pick her up and take her home. I said why you do not take a motorbike taxi. Anyway I go pick her up and she said she was too drunk to take her bike. She was slumped over on me the whole way to her place. I made sure she got inside safely.

I went back to my bike and sent the Soi 6 chick I liked the best a message asking why I had not heard from her. She said she was headed to the room and I said I would come get her. She sent the location.

As I rode down Pattaya Klang I saw a foreigner asleep on the sidewalk. The chick's soi was the next one so I went and parked my bike at her place and went back to check on the guy. He had a fanny pack around his shoulder. I woke him up. Turns out he was from Australia. I asked him what hotel he was in but he had no idea. Well do you have a card from the hotel? No. Well don't sleep here man. I don't want anyone to come along and rob you or anything. He got up and hobbled away and I went back to get the chick.

We went to my place and had a great time. [B]The next day about noon I took her home and handed her 1000 baht and a kiss.[/B].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2435497]9:30 pm at LK Metro. All lights are off.

Mass exodus of Farang from Pattaya soon. If the virus drags on for a few months many bars / restaurants will not reopen.[/QUOTE]The thing that will drive mass exodus of Farangs is a lockdown of the entire town or a curfew.

A lot of guys staying there don't care about the bars and gogos. Some will move but most will stay unless they know of a better place to be.

Most places around the world are already fucked up, it's still better to be in Pattaya than in these places.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2435528] Good thing Thaifriendly is working fine![/QUOTE]Covid-19 delivery service.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2435786]A lot of guys staying there don't care about the bars and gogos. Some will move but most will stay unless they know of a better place to be.[/QUOTE]Long term expats don't go to bars / gogo we order online for 1000 or less directly to apartment. Move? To where the world is locked. Even without the Virus the bars is dying and soon will sell drinks only.

[QUOTE=BillionBill;2435658]What is Thaifriendly?[/QUOTE]It's an Internet dating site, [URL]www.thaifriendly.com[/URL].

I always use the TMB machines because you can take out 30,000 baht at a time. Recently it appears that TMB has been trying to run a scam. You put in the amount you want. Then it notifies you of the surcharge of 220 baht. You okay that and the screen goes black. What you can not see on that black screen is them asking if you will take the rip-off exchange rate that they offer. If you push something accepting not knowing then you are fucked.

The button at the bottom left of the screen declines that offer, then the screen goes back to normal. I have run into 3 of their machines like that lately. I have just been canceling and going to another, but now I can remember the button that I need to press to say don't try to pull that shit on me.

Are you guys getting responses from thaicupid or so?

Tried hiitting few babes and response is very less.

Its a freaking website where you pay the money to the girl for the deed, do you guys build rapport or cheesy lines before they connect?

Any pointers will be helpful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436140]I always use the TMB machines because you can take out 30,000 baht at a time. Recently it appears that TMB has been trying to run a scam. You put in the amount you want. Then it notifies you of the surcharge of 220 baht. You okay that and the screen goes black. What you can not see on that black screen is them asking if you will take the rip-off exchange rate that they offer. If you push something accepting not knowing then you are fucked.[/QUOTE]Thanachart ATM had a communication fail with my Schwab Card. Next to it was a TMB ATM. I was able to decline the shit exchange rate. But upon reading the receipt TMB had hit me with a Mark Up rate of 5.5%, which it did NOT display. That withdrawal cost an additional $20!

Krungsri, CIMB and Siam Commercial Bank will dispense 30K, Bangkok Bank 25K and Citibank 50K.

Some weeks ago Pattaya was called a ghost town by some people and that was a big exaggeration. With everything still open it was just like normal, only with fewer guys, but now after all bars and massage parlors closed it indeed feels like a ghost town. I was walking down Soi 6 yesterday and I saw one girl (or ladyboy actually) looking for customers and she seemed lost in the abandoned Soi 6.

When I am going home with Songthaew from where they start going to Jomtien, it takes forever in waiting for one to fill up and to be ready to go. Today the driver didn't even wait until it was full and he left with only eight of us inside.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2436226]Some weeks ago Pattaya was called a ghost town by some people and that was a big exaggeration. With everything still open it was just like normal, only with fewer guys, but now after all bars and massage parlors closed it indeed feels like a ghost town. I was walking down Soi 6 yesterday and I saw one girl (or ladyboy actually) looking for customers and she seemed lost in the abandoned Soi 6.

When I am going home with Songthaew from where they start going to Jomtien, it takes forever in waiting for one to fill up and to be ready to go. Today the driver didn't even wait until it was full and he left with only eight of us inside.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pictures. Sad but true. As Robert Plant sings "Close the door, put out the light. No, they won't be home tonight".

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2436226]Some weeks ago Pattaya was called a ghost town by some people and that was a big exaggeration. With everything still open it was just like normal, only with fewer guys, but now after all bars and massage parlors closed it indeed feels like a ghost town.[/QUOTE]But guess where it is still hoppin? Beach Road. Seems the Beach Road chicks that everybody was afraid of are getting the last laugh for now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436296]But guess where it is still hoppin? Beach Road. Seems the Beach Road chicks that everybody was afraid of are getting the last laugh for now.[/QUOTE]But isn't there a ton of new competition for them now? I assumed all Soi 6, G Club, beer bar, massage, iBar /808 girls would work on Beach Road. Even lower end gogo girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436296]But guess where it is still hoppin? Beach Road. Seems the Beach Road chicks that everybody was afraid of are getting the last laugh for now.[/QUOTE]I have done a bit of cruising out at light basically early, based on the regulations I seriously even doubt the police who do their cruising have an idea what the true meeting of the regulations supposed to wish I had the ability to hold a good conversation with one of them?

Based on the regulation many of the places closed could be open and many of the places opened could be closed this is particular with places that serve food and alcohol. For example on Soi Baukao, I notice my regular rib place Soi 21 (Surprise) it was open the night before, around the corner, tree town the open-air food court opened, Hungry Hippo and the few food / beverage next door all open with people, then you got places like Weatherspoons, Iris Rover, Cheap Charlies closed.

Now majority of the massage places on Soi Baukhao closed smaller ones have light dimmed, metal door pull down a bit with a girl out of uniform sitting smiling while you slow down and check. Go down Soi Pothole, the Soi is dark next to Cantebury Book store the large bar lights dimmed packed with customer drinking a number of massage shop lights down with a few girls outside clearly if you needed to clean your pipes cleaning was available.

Head back up to the Darkside while massage, bars, and clubs closed all the large Jim June Thai BBQ places were operating packed with people sitting close eating. All eating places franchise or not were operating although I did notice many were moving out particularly small massage shop who never should have opened in the best of time now can't or using 14-day closure to just pack up and leave.

Now if you want to come to Thailand need a Doctor certification and Insurance which this morning I found a number of companies who are offering insurance for a year to cover the virus many with 14 day waiting period, in general, coverage can be depending on policy 30,000-100,000 baht cash or coverage if you come down with it some coverage as high as 2 million if you go into a coma and some death payout. The prices are actually reasonable coverage rates from 500 baht to 1200 baht.

Maybe in my head? but I for some reason see more girls ( freelancers ) standing around in front of close shops on Soi Baukhao might head down to the Avenue to see if they are standing outside Big Mac etc. any reports whether Beer Garden is opened?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2436354]Now majority of the massage places on Soi Baukhao closed smaller ones have light dimmed, metal door pull down a bit with a girl out of uniform sitting smiling while you slow down and check.[/QUOTE]One held up 3 fingers to me as I rode by last night. Not sure what that was supposed to mean. Boom boom special 300 baht?

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2436011]Long term expats don't go to bars / gogo we order online for 1000 or less directly to apartment. Move? To where the world is locked. Even without the Virus the bars is dying and soon will sell drinks only.[/QUOTE]Especially since the Nightwish group came along and mainly contributed to the farang bar prices inflation along soi six. In the three years they have been around the cost of everything has doubled. \hopefully the one good thing that might come out of this Covid 19 is that the Nightwish Group Ponzi scam will collapse like a house of cards. Because this Covid 19 is not going away real soon and their girls are not going to be hanging around waiting for them to reopen. Also nothing going to recover overight once this covid 19 has died out, if it ever does because the world is going into an economic depression like we have never seen before in anybodies living momory.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436363]One held up 3 fingers to me as I rode by last night. Not sure what that was supposed to mean. Boom boom special 300 baht?[/QUOTE]Where? That means 3 hole action!

I only ever could get dammaged goods from Beach Road. Girls worth way less than the 800 Baht they were asking for. Bad caesarian scars, botched up tit jobs, assholes with big visible haemorrhoids, grossly asymmetrical labia etc.

This time I had one who would do nothing but lie on her back and repeat me speak no English. Lesson learnt.

Beach Road is not a mongering venue in Pattaya as far as I'm concerned.

P.S. The go-go girls who were to fall back on Beach Road following the closures are not materializing. Same old bottom of the barrel crowd.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436412]I only ever could get dammaged goods from Beach Road. Girls worth way less than the 800 Baht they were asking for. Bad caesarian scars, botched up tit jobs, assholes with big visible haemorrhoids, grossly asymmetrical labia etc.

This time I had one who would do nothing but lie on her back and repeat me speak no English. Lesson learnt.

Beach Road is not a mongering venue in Pattaya as far as I'm concerned.

P.S. The go-go girls who were to fall back on Beach Road following the closures are not materializing. Same old bottom of the barrel crowd.[/QUOTE]No gogo girl is going to stand on beach road in between post-ops and old hags. They know they won't get the price, not even close.

And I agree, beach road sucks completely. Everytime I go to Pattaya, I take walk atleast once to beach road, in hope I fill find something good. But nope, not even worth 500.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2436418]No gogo girl is going to stand on beach road in between post-ops and old hags. They know they won't get the price, not even close. And I agree, beach road sucks completely. Every time I go to Pattaya, I take walk at least once to beach road, in hope I fill find something good. But nope, not even worth 500.[/QUOTE]And don't forget the pre-ops LOL! They're out there too. Beach Road blows!

[QUOTE=XXL;2436412]P.S. The go-go girls who were to fall back on Beach Road following the closures are not materializing. Same old bottom of the barrel crowd.[/QUOTE]My observation is about the same. Beach Road looks the same as before and I didn't see more girls there than usual. I think most bar girls etc has gone home to their villages. At least that's my observation when it comes to girls that I have contact with in Line. Most of my favorite girls from Soi 6 and other places has left Pattaya and gone home.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2436421] Most of my favorite girls from Soi 6 and other places has left Pattaya and gone home.[/QUOTE]This may be the case for the next month or two but the big question is how long can most of these girls support their family and Thai boyfriend with no income? Only a few lucky ones will have a Sponsor or 3. They will eventually return to P4 P action in one of the sex markets.

Made a walk in Walking Street tonight, just to see what it was like. So empty and deserted with only a few restaurants open. There is a place selling ice cream (to the left in one of my photos below) and they had enough customers but that was the only place that looked kind of normal. I saw a group of police on motorbikes going through to check that the rules were obeyed. I also saw two white pick up cars driving and I didn't know what their mission was. I had a girl coming over to my room tonight, that normally works in a massage parlor, and I showed the photo to her and she said that is police ready to pick up and arrest hookers working illegally.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2436506]This may be the case for the next month or two but the big question is how long can most of these girls support their family and Thai boyfriend with no income? Only a few lucky ones will have a Sponsor or 3. They will eventually return to P4 P action in one of the sex markets.[/QUOTE]There are no tourists to give them money, they know the borders are closed and the airport is pretty much a ghost town. They can go home and not have to pay rent for a room, high prices for food. They have sold their jewelry that so many guys buy them, they'll have enough to live on for many months. Not enough to buy what they desire but they won't be going hungry. Word will get back to them that there's no money in Pattaya right now. They'll stay home until the tourists come back. And the tourists won't be back for some time. By the time this is all over with it might be summer, who goes to the tropics in summer? And so many have lost their jobs or have had their hours cut so that extra spending money is no more. So many budget airlines are out for the count as well. Thailand might see the lowest tourism numbers on record this year. Maybe next year things will rebound.

Whatever that place is beside Panda, notice they are all Farang and none of them appear to be wearing a mask or practicing Social Distancing.

Was at a supermarket today loading up on my toilet paper. 2 security guards lined up too close for me. Store manager quickly ran up to them to tell them to stand behind the line taped on the floor. The 2 security guards told the manager they are mall security so these rules didn't apply to them. Manager booted them from the store for not practicing Social Distancing. Is Social distancing being enforced in Pattaya yet? How do they enforce it on baht buses?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2436536]Word will get back to them that there's no money in Pattaya right now.[/QUOTE]

Why I specifically said they will return to one of the sex markets and not Pattaya in particular.

I predict over half the bars in Pattaya where the bar owner does not own the land the bar is on will be closed if this pandemic runs over 6 months. So many were already hanging by a thread before the pandemic started. I doubt the land owners will reduce rent for their tenants until this blows over. That isn't the Thai way.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2436555]Is Social distancing being enforced in Pattaya yet? How do they enforce it on baht buses?
[/QUOTE]Who is the they that would enforce such a thing? Everything is pretty much usual here on that front except for most people wearing dust masks. No ethyl alcohol to be found at any stores or pharmacies. MF! I ran around looking for some yesterday and just now see I have an unopened bottle on my shelf.

I went to this chick's condo in Jomtien last night. Got in the elevator and they had markings on the floor of how everyone is supposed to stand. She was reading something about malls would close. I said not in Pattaya. She said but Pattaya would be next. So she wants me to take her around and buy some things today.

She also talked about almost going to Korat with a friend. While we were together the friend sent her a message that she better be glad she did not go. They are putting people who are arriving into other cities in 14-day quarantine and that is what happened to the friend.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2436506]This may be the case for the next month or two but the big question is how long can most of these girls support their family and Thai boyfriend with no income? Only a few lucky ones will have a Sponsor or 3. They will eventually return to P4 P action in one of the sex markets.[/QUOTE]Breadman is exactly right. I just went over this with Brother Dg in the Philippines thread yesterday. Worried about some hookers? Shit. The big question is how long can we and our friends and families support ourselves with no income. There are millions of people from our own countries that are sitting home right now and will not have jobs after this is over. This is the wrong time to be worrying about or sponsoring a hooker. This is the time to concentrate on looking out for you and yours. We do not know how this thing is going to play out.

They didn't always work in Pattaya.. They are going right back to what they did before they had jobs here. One of my massage chicks spent the night the night before last and her sister made the 6 hour drive to pick her up yesterday. She said she was going to go back to milking the cows for a few months. Said they have 10 of them. These chicks are from farms. They will be able to survive much longer than our city asses that have to depend on grocery stores for our food.

Whether its a pandemic, a financial crisis, a political crisis / war zone that turns people's lives upside down its always the less fortunate that suffer the most. It's human nature to think of ourselves and families first but I feel it need not stop there. I feel those of us who live in Thailand and have made it our home have a responsibility to help where we can. If I had a relative back home that was in need of money I would of course help them first but the safety net in the west now more now ever will in the majority of situations be sufficient to see them through this. Not so here. Depending on one's individual circumstances I would suggest we try to help girls we have gotten to know over the years and who are in serious need. A few hundred baht here and there goes a long way in a village in Essan. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2436555]Whatever that place is beside Panda, notice they are all Farang and none of them appear to be wearing a mask or practicing Social Distancing.

Was at a supermarket today loading up on my toilet paper. 2 security guards lined up too close for me. Store manager quickly ran up to them to tell them to stand behind the line taped on the floor. The 2 security guards told the manager they are mall security so these rules didn't apply to them. Manager booted them from the store for not practicing Social Distancing. Is Social distancing being enforced in Pattaya yet? How do they enforce it on baht buses?.[/QUOTE]Like Mr E said everything is pretty much as normal here and I there hasn't been any talk about social distancing, at least not what I heard of. People are going on baht buses and sit in restaurants that are open, like you could see in my photo. It seems like Thailand is a couple of steps behind the countries where the virus is more spread, and last time I checked there is only one death related to Corona in Thailand and relatively few cases. However, I am sure the situation will change here when more people die and numbers of cases goes up. People will panic more and the government will make more restrictions affecting everyday life here.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436624]Depending on one's individual circumstances I would suggest we try to help girls we have gotten to know over the years and who are in serious need. A few hundred baht here and there goes a long way in a village in Essan. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I have 375 people in my Line app. Probably 15 or so are guys. So with 360 females in my contact list, since this pandemic started I have not received 1 request of a person saying they are in dire need of money. In fact, there have been a couple of chicks that have said the 1200 that I pay for LT is only enough for ST so they did not accept.

Dare I go on to say that in 15 years I have had only 3 chicks ask me for a contribution or a loan. 1. A few months ago this chick said she was in dire straits. She was willing to work the money off but I was not in town. I told her no. 2. A friend of mine was having a baby last May when I advised her against it (of course the American dude was going to run off before the baby came) and she asked for money to move into a bigger place before the baby came and I said no. 3. Last year another friend asked for 6000 baht to rent floor space for 1 day at Royal Garden Mall to sell clothes and I told her no. And to this day all 3 of those chicks are doing just fine and we are still in touch.

So guess what? Nobody is starving and in dire need around here. If somebody tells you that they are in desperate need of YOUR money right now then they are full of shit and just looking for something for nothing; ain't no "in serious need, life or death" situations going on around here man. Stop being blinded by the pussy.

One of the bars on naklua has bar covered over with a sign that says restaurant. Two girls in hot pants were standing out front and waved me to go in. I might go back later and have a beer.

I've been in thailand 3 months but just got to pattaya on Tuesday. It was terrible timing on my part. .

[QUOTE=XXL;2436412]I only ever could get dammaged goods from Beach Road. Girls worth way less than the 800 Baht they were asking for. Bad caesarian scars, botched up tit jobs, assholes with big visible haemorrhoids, grossly asymmetrical labia etc.[/QUOTE]Caesarian scars does not bother me. Most of my best sessions in soi 6 have been with bar girls having that scar.

But the other stuff you mentioned is not appetizing.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2436536]By the time this is all over with it might be summer, who goes to the tropics in summer?[/QUOTE]I assume you mean summer in northern hemisphere, so June-August. Many punters travel to Thailand in those months:

1. Those who have winter at that time in their home country.

2. Those who want to fuck Thai pussy regardless of the time of the year and don't mind hot and humid weather with occasional rain showers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436596]Breadman is exactly right. I just went over this with Brother Dg in the Philippines thread yesterday. Worried about some hookers? Shit. The big question is how long can we and our friends and families support ourselves with no income. There are millions of people from our own countries that are sitting home right now and will not have jobs after this is over. This is the wrong time to be worrying about or sponsoring a hooker. This is the time to concentrate on looking out for you and yours. We do not know how this thing is going to play out.

They didn't always work in Pattaya.. They are going right back to what they did before they had jobs here. One of my massage chicks spent the night the night before last and her sister made the 6 hour drive to pick her up yesterday. She said she was going to go back to milking the cows for a few months. Said they have 10 of them. These chicks are from farms. They will be able to survive much longer than our city asses that have to depend on grocery stores for our food.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I don't think so. They will realize right quickly that it is better to EAT than to maintain "social distance" and will do whatever it takes to do what they have always done. Look for old foreigners to pay them to UK. Even if it means lowering their standards.

I live in hotels, no rental. I begin to see restaurants and malls shuttering down or closing early, buffet breakfasts in hotels getting thinner. Does this only reflect a lack of business or is it a prelude to a generalised shortage?

I'm in two minds as to whether to wait this out in Pat or to head for the beaches by bus (Ko Chang, Ko Kood). The risk of getting infected should be less on a remote island but will the food supply chain be maintained that far?

Health care is available in Pattaya but I'm not counting on that to save my ass if I get seriously ill. If people start dropping like flies the locals will be prioritised. It is more food and shelter I'm worried about.

Would heading for the beaches be foolish at this juncture?

[QUOTE=XXL;2436859]I'm in two minds as to whether to wait this out in Pat or to head for the beaches by bus (Ko Chang, Ko Kood). The risk of getting infected should be less on a remote island but will the food supply chain be maintained that far?

Health care is available in Pattaya but I'm not counting on that to save my ass if I get seriously ill. If people start dropping like flies the locals will be prioritised. It is more food and shelter I'm worried about.

Would heading for the beaches be foolish at this juncture?[/QUOTE]It is a judgement call as to where you want to ride out the Corona, but I think under the present circumstances Ko Chang or Ko Kood is a pretty good place to relax, unwind, and enjoy nature until the pandemic passes. Food shortages: what food shortages? The ocean ain't going to run out of fish and there is plenty of rice and fruit available, so I wouldn't be concerned about that. I would not think shelter would be a problem either although many hotels have probably closed down, so I would recommend scouting out something suitable before you head that way.

The only issue I can see with a Ko Chang or Ko Kood getaway is the limited availability of girls. Even with all the Pattaya bars and clubs closed, finding girls in Pat is not a problem, but Koh Chang is another story and forgetabout girls on Ko Kood. Of course BYO is an interesting solution especially if you have a pretty good pre-existing relationship with a particular girl or girls. Otherwise, figure you will be celibate while on Ko Chang or Ko Kood unless you get lucky.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436859]I live in hotels, no rental. I begin to see restaurants and malls shuttering down or closing early, buffet breakfasts in hotels getting thinner. Does this only reflect a lack of business or is it a prelude to a generalised shortage?

I'm in two minds as to whether to wait this out in Pat or to head for the beaches by bus (Ko Chang, Ko Kood). The risk of getting infected should be less on a remote island but will the food supply chain be maintained that far?

Health care is available in Pattaya but I'm not counting on that to save my ass if I get seriously ill. If people start dropping like flies the locals will be prioritised. It is more food and shelter I'm worried about.

Would heading for the beaches be foolish at this juncture?[/QUOTE]Wherever you hunker down I feel its the quality of the hotel you stay at that matters. How good is their hygiene their regular sanitizing of rooms and common areas the quality of their facilities. As far as I know hotels are exempt from the same closures outside I. E. Restaurants and lounges are open so that's a plus. As to staying safe, ignore its just a flu bullshit, this is down to frequent hand washing avoid touching face and maintaining social distancing. Using what news is available Pattaya doesn't as yet have any clusters so it's most likely no worse than any other resort. This of course could change and it's true larger populations have obvious disadvantages.

Generally with the exception of sanitizing products, haven't seem a bottle of Dettol in over 2 weeks there is no shortage of food or drinks and none are expected so no worries there. You didn't mention P4P so I guess that is not top of your list of priorities, understandable you are more concerned with your health. If it were me I would stay in Pattaya as assess to testing and health care is superior.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436859]I'm in two minds as to whether to wait this out in Pat or to head for the beaches by bus (Ko Chang, Ko Kood).

Would heading for the beaches be foolish at this juncture?[/QUOTE]Unless you plan on living off the land. I would not go to a small tourist place when there are no tourists. That means the few places they already have to stay and to eat are going to be closed. Why would they be open when there is no business? And the ones that are open are going to run out of supplies. Besides, if you run down there, you are subject to end up in quarantine for 14 days. Old girl hit me up this morning saying her mom told her do not even TRY to come home. Buckle in and get comfortable.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436624]Whether its a pandemic, a financial crisis, a political crisis / war zone that turns people's lives upside down its always the less fortunate that suffer the most. It's human nature to think of ourselves and families first but I feel it need not stop there. I feel those of us who live in Thailand and have made it our home have a responsibility to help where we can. If I had a relative back home that was in need of money I would of course help them first but the safety net in the west now more now ever will in the majority of situations be sufficient to see them through this. Not so here. Depending on one's individual circumstances I would suggest we try to help girls we have gotten to know over the years and who are in serious need. A few hundred baht here and there goes a long way in a village in Essan. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]You are exactly right!

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436624]Whether its a pandemic, a financial crisis, a political crisis / war zone that turns people's lives upside down its always the less fortunate that suffer the most. It's human nature to think of ourselves and families first but I feel it need not stop there. I feel those of us who live in Thailand and have made it our home have a responsibility to help where we can. If I had a relative back home that was in need of money I would of course help them first but the safety net in the west now more now ever will in the majority of situations be sufficient to see them through this. Not so here. Depending on one's individual circumstances I would suggest we try to help girls we have gotten to know over the years and who are in serious need. A few hundred baht here and there goes a long way in a village in Essan. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Well said.

Great time last night. Met a chick on Thai Friendly. 21 years old. We traded Lines and I went over and saw her background picture was her and a guy passed out nekkit in a bathroom. I sent her a message asking why her and her boyfriend are sleep in the toilet. She immediately changed the picture and tried to avoid the question. But my personality is to keep asking; and she kept trying to avoid it. I went to pick her up straight away and we went to a spot in Jomtien to get something to eat.

She asked me if I go to that restaurant often and I told her it was only my third time. She said that she used to work there. Wait a minute. How could you have worked here if you have only been in Pattaya for 3 months. But you know these chicks. She used to live here before! She said she was supposed to go to Malaysia but was recently arrested for drunk driving and having an e-cigarette.

She said she was in jail for 4 days and it cost 45,000 to get out. I said but I know people and they said they paid 10,000. She said it is 10,000 if you can get money on the spot. She said the price went up when she had to be in jail. The person there told her if she did not have the 45,000 then they would process her and transfer her to wherever and she would have to spend 48 days in jail. She told them they might as well do it now then because she did not have that kind of money. Her mother ended up getting the money together to get her out (yet some of you believe chicks are not having enough money to eat).

I asked her why she would have an e-cigarette when she know it is illegal. She said everybody does it. That seemed to be the answer she had for everything she does that is fucked up. She said she told the police that it was her friend's but they did not buy it. And you don't think that is not everybody's excuse? I said so now you can not go to Malaysia to see your father. She said how you know I was going to see my father. Psychic reading bich.

We left the restaurant and she wanted to ride around Pattaya to see how empty it was. We rode on Walking Street then went down to Soi 6 before heading to the Buakhao market and going back to my place. Earlier she had told me that her mom said not to believe anything that Black men say. So when I got home I called my dad and put him on the speaker. I told him and he said well tell her your dad said not to believe anything that Thai women say.

I hung up and she took my dick out and started sucking it. What the fuck. Can I take a shower first? She said no. She kept sucking and then she finally got up and asked for a shirt. She went in to take a shower. When she came out she said that she had to talk to her boyfriend so do not say anything for 5 minutes. It was a Black guy with what sounded like a New York accent. She told him that she was at her friend's but she was getting sleepy. I went to take a shower and came back. She was writing to the guy. I told her that she was writing too much and what to tell him to get him to stop. Eventually the guy called back (no idea why he did not do video call). She told him that she was sleeping, eating, and watching TV. I was laughing my ass off. Later I said nobody is going to believe you are doing all three of those at the same time. But I guess not everybody is like me.

She got off the phone and showed me a video of her sucking somebody's dick. Don't know if it was the guy on the phone or who. But I wanted mine sucked the same way. I had to do a video conference with my best friends to show them what a good job she was doing on me. She definitely is not camera shy. We finally got to fucking and everything. It was a great session.

I noticed she had a surgical scar down the middle of her back and asked her about it. She said that she was married to a guy from Kuwait and they got into a fight and he threw her over the balcony. Her back was broken. She showed me the news story on youtube of the video when they came to scrape her off the ground. Her dumb ass told the police that it was an accident. She said she had one surgery where they worked on part of it. The guy went back to Kuwait and she didn't hear from him. She said she was using a wheelchair and some foreigner came up to her when she was out and about. He ended up paying for another surgery for her that got her back to normal. She said that both together cost 750,000 baht. I wish I had money like some of you guys!

Maybe she posted some pictures somewhere because her husband realized she had another guy and told her she would have to pay him 500,000 baht for a divorce. I think the same guy that paid for the surgery paid him off. How the fuck could a 21 year old go through so much shit? I am 48 and have not been through half the shit that she has. If I had, then I would have locked myself in the house by now; not going out looking for more trouble.

She started sucking my dick again and trying to fuck. I told her that I was about to go to sleep and was not doing anymore fucking tonight. She said that I should be her mom's boyfriend. I told her that I didn't want anything old except money. She said her mom was only 38. I told her to show me her pictures. She was stunning. She said her and her mom got their nose jobs from the same doctor. (Again guys think chicks are around here not being able to afford food.) I took her home at 11 this morning and gave her 1100 baht. I better send her a message to ask what time her mom will be ready tonight!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437157] She said her mom was only 38. I told her to show me her pictures. She was stunning. She said her and her mom got their nose jobs from the same doctor. (Again guys think chicks are around here not being able to afford food.) I took her home at 11 this morning and gave her 1100 baht. I better send her a message to ask what time her mom will be ready tonight![/QUOTE]Man, I tell ya, women from Issan STAY poppin' these babies out at young ages. (That is if she is from that part of Thailand).

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2437421]Man, I tell ya, women from Issan STAY poppin' these babies out at young ages. (That is if she is from that part of Thailand).[/QUOTE]Mine is 38, her son is a 20 yo loser who's been busted from drink-drive twice, and she's from Chiang Mai, not Issan.

Which means that as fine as her pussy and ass is now, it must have been phenomenal when she was 18.

How do you guys succeed with having non-pro girlfriends who don't speak English? Do you guys speak Thai?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2437691]How do you guys succeed with having non-pro girlfriends who don't speak English? [/QUOTE]We clearly go to a different Pattaya because out of the 1000's of girls I met in Pattaya only 3 did not speak English well enough where I had to use Google translate. Many of the Thai girls I hang out with have better English than people in my home country who don't even know the difference between "your welcome" and "you're welcome".

Which Pattaya bars are you meeting all these non English speaking girls?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2437691]How do you guys succeed with having non-pro girlfriends who don't speak English? Do you guys speak Thai?[/QUOTE]I have been pretty successful with thaifriendly non-pro chicks using google translate and the iTranslate app. I use those apps all over the world and they are pretty effective. Good luck homie.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2437553]Mine is 38, her son is a 20 yo loser who's been busted from drink-drive twice, and she's from Chiang Mai, not Issan.

Which means that as fine as her pussy and ass is now, it must have been phenomenal when she was 18.[/QUOTE]Well done!. I stayed with a couple of women from Issan and we're both still in contact to this day. One is from Buriram province (Sateuk) and the other is from Nakom Phanom (Phon Sawan). The things I've done make me shake my head. I will be going back again soon. I love an adventure!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2437691]How do you guys succeed with having non-pro girlfriends who don't speak English? Do you guys speak Thai?[/QUOTE]Banana Boi is mostly right, there are some that don't speak a little English and if they work any place that falangs will visit then they learn a little. Very few don't even understand a few relevant words and then Google Translate will help.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2437691]How do you guys succeed with having non-pro girlfriends who don't speak English? Do you guys speak Thai?[/QUOTE]What's there to talk about? Eat, sleep and fuck.

Use hand finger signals.

One finger to eat.

Two fingers to fuck.

Three fingers to sleep.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2437696]We clearly go to a different Pattaya because out of the 1000's of girls I met in Pattaya only 3 did not speak English well [/QUOTE]That is what tickles me about guys that say they prefer Philippines because chicks there speak English. In my opinion these chicks in Pattaya speak and understand English way better. Sure Filipinas can string a couple of words together, but their comprehension skills are in the shitter. Even when I did not speak any Thai, I never had to use any type of translator in Pattaya. Most people seem to speak enough English.

Chick that is in my bed right now I picked up off Tinder yesterday. She said they learned both English and Chinese in school when she was growing up. Another chick I mess with has a 2 year old son and she has only spoken English to him since he was born. I speak more Thai to him than she does. I guess she is not counting on him needing any Thai, or maybe he will learn it later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437790]That is what tickles me about guys that say they prefer Philippines because chicks there speak English. In my opinion these chicks in Pattaya speak and understand way better English. Sure Filipinas can string a couple of words together, but their comprehension skills are in the shitter.[/QUOTE]I know! One of the positives of The PI is supposed to be that the people speak English. But you can't understand a damn thing half of them are saying LOL! But come to think of it, I had the exact same problem in London hahaha!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2437696]We clearly go to a different Pattaya because out of the 1000's of girls I met in Pattaya only 3 did not speak English well enough where I had to use Google translate. Many of the Thai girls I hang out with have better English than people in my home country who don't even know the difference between "your welcome" and "you're welcome".

Which Pattaya bars are you meeting all these non English speaking girls?[/QUOTE]Sorry to have gotten you in a tizzy. I'm not in Pattaya now, LOL. I'm holed up in my residence here in the good old USA green with envy of you guys in Patts getting all that p...y. I posted my question in the Pattaya section as it is the one with the most Thai activity on ISG. I imagine that the girls in Pattaya are more English proficient than others. I am connecting online with some Thai chicks in other parts of the country to pass the time and learnt that many Thai girls do not speak English. I am wondering how successful it is for blokes to have relationships with those girls, not just p4p. You guys may know gents who have such relationships.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2437793]I know! One of the positives of The PI is supposed to be that the people speak English. But you can't understand a damn thing half of them are saying LOL!![/QUOTE]Agree, been in Angeles last November and I prefer to speak with Thaigirls.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2437951]Agree, been in Angeles last November and I prefer to speak with Thaigirls.[/QUOTE]Are you guys serious? You must have visited a different AC than I did. And Thai girls speak better English? You've got to be kidding tirght?

On the surface Filipinas speak English and that is a positive at least as far as basic communications. But a different kind of problem arises because we CAN communicate in a common language and that problem is I can understand what they are saying (LOL) with the unfortunate result that it doesn't take long for me to realize with whom I am dealing ie an undereducated, simple mind in a sexy fully turned out girl's body. With Thai & Indonesian girls I am spared that shattering of illusion for a much longer time span thanks to the language barrier. Thus the exotic impressions I have of my Thai & Indo girls stays with me longer. Who says communication is a good thing?

In addition, I must say that one of my pet peeves with Filipinas is the way some of them say things in English, supposedly for my benefit. while we are shagging like "Oh fuck" or "Oh Shit" multiple times. I would rather not hear the fake stuff or at least not hear it in English. It sort of distracts me in a negative way just as I am focusing in on the girl. Thus I prefer Thai & Indo girls in this one respect because I know when a girl I am doing is feeling it and when she isn't and less English vocals is better. On the other hand, I will say this about Filipinas; they can be the most passionate "all in" girls in all of Asia. I think that many of us who have had the pleasure of shagging multiple Filipinas know that a large number of them are just as much into having an orgasm and a good time in bed as we are and that is a huge plus in their column regardless of what language is spoken and understood. So the bottom line for me is I really like Filipinas in spite of our common language. The pluses easily outnumber the negatives.

Natty, please do a major purge of your PM's.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2437970]But a different kind of problem arises because we CAN communicate in a common language and that problem is I can understand what they are saying (LOL) with the unfortunate result that it doesn't take long for me to realize with whom I am dealing ie an undereducated, simple mind in a sexy fully turned out girl's body. With Thai & Indonesian girls I am spared that shattering of illusion for a much longer time span thanks to the language barrier. Thus the exotic impressions I have of my Thai & Indo girls stays with me longer.[/QUOTE]I have said before that half of these chicks are probably retarded, but we will never know because we can't speak the language. I guess an exotic retarded chick is still exotic.

Can you please chat about pinay in the Philippines part.

BTW pinay love (like Thai girls) only their family, their friends, their restarted pinoy, excitement (other men and other places) but most to share our money with her family / fiends.

They do like they listen to you but they only listen to their family and friends, so you think they don't understand your words, but they don't care your words.

If they say they love you that means that they love how you help them (with their ever lasting family problems and their need to share with every stupid friend they have).

You know she really loves you if she pays everything for you. Like that she threats her real (boy) friends.

They are so clever that you think they are sweet and simple. Until they are in the power of your money.

They really don't care about you, have no single respect for you. They are masters in fooling you.

And I think Thai girl are same. Only Thai men do work harder, and Thai will help you sometimes with advises, and Thai accept that not everybody overpays like a newbie.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437991]I have said before that half of these chicks are probably retarded, but we will never know because we can't speak the language. I guess an exotic retarded chick is still exotic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2437920]Sorry to have gotten you in a tizzy. I'm not in Pattaya now, LOL. I'm holed up in my residence here in the good old USA green with envy of you guys in Patts getting all that p...y. I posted my question in the Pattaya section as it is the one with the most Thai activity on ISG. I imagine that the girls in Pattaya are more English proficient than others. I am connecting online with some Thai chicks in other parts of the country to pass the time and learnt that many Thai girls do not speak English. I am wondering how successful it is for blokes to have relationships with those girls, not just p4p. You guys may know gents who have such relationships.[/QUOTE]Many if not most Thai girls I meet online, even from outlying provinces, will say they can't speak English or speak very little English. Then when I video chat with them or meet them in person it turns out they are quite conversant in English.

Interestingly, the thing that seems to get them to relax, open up and start speaking in English is when I say a few things to them in Thai. And it also helps when they hear me speaking English to them very slowly and clearly.

They probably assume if they say they can speak English well, the guy will start rattling on and on with some mush mouth thick accent even I could not understand if I met the guy.

You are probably better off heading home. The Coronavirus crisis will go on for a month minimum. Many people are having problems getting back to the US. The other problem is that if the govt imposes a mandatory lock down. Then you will be stuck in your hotel room & having to pay for room at the same time. Some people are even having to pay extra to find a flight back to the US. The other issue is health care & insurance. My guess is that there would be a much higher co-pay if you were in a foreign hospital.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436859]I live in hotels, no rental. I begin to see restaurants and malls shuttering down or closing early, buffet breakfasts in hotels getting thinner. Does this only reflect a lack of business or is it a prelude to a generalised shortage?

I'm in two minds as to whether to wait this out in Pat or to head for the beaches by bus (Ko Chang, Ko Kood). The risk of getting infected should be less on a remote island but will the food supply chain be maintained that far?

Health care is available in Pattaya but I'm not counting on that to save my ass if I get seriously ill. If people start dropping like flies the locals will be prioritised. It is more food and shelter I'm worried about.

Would heading for the beaches be foolish at this juncture?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437998]Many if not most Thai girls I meet online, even from outlying provinces, will say they can't speak English or speak very little English. Then when I video chat with them or meet them in person it turns out they are quite conversant in English.

Interestingly, the thing that seems to get them to relax, open up and start speaking in English is when I say a few things to them in Thai. And it also helps when they hear me speaking English to them very slowly and clearly.

They probably assume if they say they can speak English well, the guy will start rattling on and on with some mush mouth thick accent even I could not understand if I met the guy.[/QUOTE]On the occasions I visited Thailand I interacted mostly with working girls and a few girls I met on the dating sites. They ranged from a modicum of English capability to fluency. My recent online communications have revealed girls with no English language skills. From your response I take it that they are in the minority. If this is so then that is good news for me as in my next visit, whenever that may be, I intend to travel beyond Bangkok, Pattaya and other touristy areas.
BTW the girls I am communicating with now are not on dating sites but from email addresses given to me via facebook by a friend of a Thai woman I met on DIA who I had relations with. I can't have a skype or whatsapp conversation with them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437998]Many if not most Thai girls I meet online, even from outlying provinces, will say they can't speak English or speak very little English. Then when I video chat with them or meet them in person it turns out they are quite conversant in English.[/QUOTE]What I have realized is that Thai chicks like to announce their insecurities. I am this, I am that, I am not this, I am not that. 100 million times a chick has sat in front of me talking and said that she is not good at English. I say yes hell you are. We are right here talking and I hear you are good at English. I tell them if the guy isn't complaining about something then you should not be worried about it. If he is with you then he likes you just the way you are. You don't have to announce to him that your boobs are small or you are not skinny or this is that.

[QUOTE=Hargow20;2438017]You are probably better off heading home. The Coronavirus crisis will go on for a month minimum. Many people are having problems getting back to the US. The other problem is that if the govt imposes a mandatory lock down. Then you will be stuck in your hotel room & having to pay for room at the same time. Some people are even having to pay extra to find a flight back to the US. The other issue is health care & insurance. My guess is that there would be a much higher co-pay if you were in a foreign hospital.[/QUOTE]LOL. Heading home? Yeah my mom tried to pull that shit on me. I said mom do you know how much Corona is over there? The US is number 1 now with 104,256 cases and Thailand is number 33 with 1,245. Why would I run to where there is literally 100 times more virus? Duh. Healthcare is cheap here as long as you do not spend the night in the hospital. You can always get a normal cheap 500 baht/day room or 6000 baht/month. You don't have to ball out at the Hilton for 30 days.

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;2437994]They are so clever that you think they are sweet and simple. Until they are in the power of your money.

They really don't care about you, have no single respect for you. They are masters in fooling you.

And I think Thai girl are same.[/QUOTE]You're probably relating some of your own experiences here.

A lot of guys know how to handle these girls and are far from being fooled or scammed.

Reports being posted on this board are mostly written by newbies nowadays so it looks like most guys are very naive in dealing with these girls but it's reflecting a biased reality.

Last thing, these girls are not clever, they are opportunistic at best but most of them are very far from being clever.

Most guys that have been fooled were giving them a stick to be beaten.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437998]They probably assume if they say they can speak English well, the guy will start rattling on and on with some mush mouth thick accent even I could not understand if I met the guy.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what they do with us when we try to speak Thai with them.

I felt embarrassed on multiple occasions in the beginning having to ask them again and again to speak slowly or to repeat again what they've just said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438126]What I have realized is that Thai chicks like to announce their insecurities. I am this, I am that, I am not this, I am not that. 100 million times a chick has sat in front of me talking and said that she is not good at English. I say yes hell you are. We are right here talking and I hear you are good at English. I tell them if the guy isn't complaining about something then you should not be worried about it. If he is with you then he likes you just the way you are. You don't have to announce to him that your boobs are small or you are not skinny or this is that.[/QUOTE]This post does harbor the grain of truth. I met a girl few weeks back in Pattaya. She had beautiful natural tits but rather flat ass. So she was insecure about her ass but she should have been proud of her big firm boobs. I told her "never mind, I don't complain, I enjoy what I have here right now" What I did not tell her was that I can go any day and night to hunt for a perfect ass if I want to. And I did. Pattaya has it all.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438080]On the occasions I visited Thailand I interacted mostly with working girls and a few girls I met on the dating sites. They ranged from a modicum of English capability to fluency. My recent online communications have revealed girls with no English language skills. From your response I take it that they are in the minority. If this is so then that is good news for me as in my next visit, whenever that may be, I intend to travel beyond Bangkok, Pattaya and other touristy areas.
BTW the girls I am communicating with now are not on dating sites but from email addresses given to me via facebook by a friend of a Thai woman I met on DIA who I had relations with. I can't have a skype or whatsapp conversation with them.[/QUOTE]Ah, then the Thai girls you have been introduced to by a friend via emails and such might very well have near zero or no English skills. That would be very different from the kind of Thai girls with the gumption, balls and basic English skills to put themseleves on a dating site in hopes of meeting foreign strangers for dates, marriage or sex for money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438126]What I have realized is that Thai chicks like to announce their insecurities. I am this, I am that, I am not this, I am not that. 100 million times a chick has sat in front of me talking and said that she is not good at English. I say yes hell you are. We are right here talking and I hear you are good at English. I tell them if the guy isn't complaining about something then you should not be worried about it. If he is with you then he likes you just the way you are. You don't have to announce to him that your boobs are small or you are not skinny or this is that.[/QUOTE]So true. I have been with perfectly fuckable Thai women barely over the age of 30 with no more than 3 extra kilos spread over their sexy body who insist on repeating how old and fat they are. Same as what you probably do, I tell them if they keep saying that, nobody will want to fuck them, not even me! LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438177]So true. I have been with perfectly fuckable Thai women barely over the age of 30 with no more than 3 extra kilos spread over their sexy body who insist on repeating how old and fat they are.[/QUOTE]It is called fishing for complements. Like the no win questions from farang females such as 1) "does my bum look big in this?" and 2) "does this shade of lip gloss make you horny? Woe betide the honest soul who answers 1) enormous and 2) only when my shaft is in your mouth.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438177]I tell them if they keep saying that, nobody will want to fuck them, not even me! LOL.[/QUOTE]Using Thai logic they may get the idea that means they get paid but no boom boom!

Communication is Overrated. Less Talk, More Action! Only sound I'm interested in hearing are moans of Pleasure. (Insert Big Grin Here)

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2438190]It is called fishing for complements.[/QUOTE]They are not looking for compliments. They will cover their boobs or whatever when they say my boobs are too small and you can barely pry their hands away. As in they don't even want you to see them. Or want you you to turn off the lights.

A few weeks ago I met a Thai Friendly chick. She came over and sent me a message that she was here. I went downstairs to greet her and she was still in the street on her bike with her helmet on. I asked what the hell she was doing; had not even parked yet or anything. She said with a bad attitude, "Am I okay for you?" I didn't get it. Looked like a regular ass woman to me. That night we had a great time. I think the highlight for her was me taking her to Thepprasit market and showing her around. I still haven't written up that report yet.

Well fuck it. She said she works in a laundry. She said she used to always talk bad about the hookers in Pattaya. She never thought she would have to go with men for money. But now that she has had to resort to it, she feels bad about unfairly judging people before.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2437970]In addition, I must say that one of my pet peeves with Filipinas is the way some of them say things in English, supposedly for my benefit. while we are shagging like "Oh fuck" or "Oh Shit" multiple times. I would rather not hear the fake stuff or at least not hear it in English.[/QUOTE]Those words are erection killers when you are fucking a hooker (or anyone).

I was recently in Manila before the Corona lockdown. I did not find the bar girls very attractive there and the fake moans in bed were annoying for me also.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2438190]
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Using Thai logic they may get the idea that means they get paid but no boom boom![/QUOTE]LOL. No, that losing sales pitch for themselves usually takes place in the bar, before the subject of taking them or not has been brought up. And most of the time such a lady will convince me she is absolutely correct; she is too old and fat for me to fuck after all.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2438157]This post does harbor the grain of truth. I met a girl few weeks back in Pattaya. She had beautiful natural tits but rather flat ass. So she was insecure about her ass but she should have been proud of her big firm boobs. I told her "never mind, I don't complain, I enjoy what I have here right now" What I did not tell her was that I can go any day and night to hunt for a perfect ass if I want to. And I did. Pattaya has it all.[/QUOTE]Her ass may be flat as a pancake but those fun bags sure look manmade! Delicious to be sure, but unlikely to be homegrown, locally sourced and grain fed 100% Thai!

TGs always assume we prefer bigger tits than they are born with. I try to explain that not only is "more than a mouthful is a waste" but that their nipples lose sensitivity after implants.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438128]The US is number 1 now with 104,256 cases and Thailand is number 33 with 1,245. [/QUOTE]Be careful with those numbers as they are not very reliable. Not all people who are sick are being tested, so we do not really know how many of them have Corona.

Personally I don't believe that Thailand has only 1,245 cases, with all the Chinese tourists that were going there. And they have also closed down restaurants and P4P venues etc. too late.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2438260]Those words are erection killers when you are fucking a hooker (or anyone).

I was recently in Manila before the Corona lockdown. I did not find the bar girls very attractive there and the fake moans in bed were annoying for me also.[/QUOTE]I agree, when the moans are fake they are erection killers. But sometimes they are real and then they are more often coming from Filipina's than Thai girls in my experience.

Generally speaking I can say that Thai girls are more skilled in bed than Filipina's (they give better blow jobs for example) but Filipina's are hornier.
But that's only generally speaking. There are always exceptions.

In Pattaya / Banglamung, anyone who visited either the 'Café De Beach' or 'Khon La Fun' restaurants on March 15, or 'Bar Beer Soi 6 Pattaya' between February 24 and March 26 (names translated from Thai, may differ slightly) is required to quarantine at home for 14 days. If you have symptoms such as cough, high fever, sore throat, or are facing respiratory difficulties, you must see a doctor immediately.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/alert-bar-beer-soi-6-pattaya-and-2-restaurants-listed-in-covid-19-alert-spots-293170[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2438478]Be careful with those numbers as they are not very reliable. Not all people who are sick are being tested, so we do not really know how many of them have Corona.

Personally I don't believe that Thailand has only 1,245 cases, with all the Chinese tourists that were going there. And they have also closed down restaurants and P4P venues etc. too late.[/QUOTE]A question for anyone on the ground in Thailand or in regular communication with girls and service workers who dealt directly with tourists over the past couple of months leading up to the lockdown:

Does anyone know someone in Thailand among those girls and service workers who HAS Covid-19 or is sick enough to possibly have it without the certainty of being tested?

I don't know of anyone who fits that description.

Moreover, I see the same homeless and handicapped beggars sitting in the same spots with money landing in their cups that they must remove and count at some points several times a day. Money that must have been passing through hands, pockets, in and out of purses and wallets of every possible ethnic and racial group of tourists from all over the world for months now. And they don't seem to be the least bit slowed down by a serious, crippling malady requiring hospitalization or even a night off from the job.

And we're talking about people who start out with more compromised health and fitness issues than most anyone reading this. None of them wear masks, gloves or wipe anything off with a disinfectant before handling it or the food they buy with the money.

Now, I am not calling this situation a hoax or dismissing it as insignificant. But, I've got to say there has not yet been compelling empirical evidence that I have seen or heard from anyone I know personally on ground zero who made their living with up close and very personal international tourist contacts for months to convince me to freak out if I only wash my hands for 10 seconds a few times a day instead of 20 seconds every other hour.

Does anybody personally know a bargirl, escort, food server, bank clerk, massage shop girl, homeless street person or anyone else who by now ought to be in a hospital with 10 other co-workers or family members being treated for anything more serious than the usual colds, fevers, headaches and stomach aches people get all the time anyway?

Shouldn't we all know a half dozen or more Thai people, expats and fellow mongers who did have or currently have this ailment by now? In fact, shouldn't there be at least a half dozen ISG members who fit that description by now?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2438485]I agree, when the moans are fake they are erection killers. But sometimes they are real and then they are more often coming from Filipina's than Thai girls in my experience.

Generally speaking I can say that Thai girls are more skilled in bed than Filipina's (they give better blow jobs for example) but Filipina's are hornier.
But that's only generally speaking. There are always exceptions.[/QUOTE]I believe you. I had only limited samples of girls in the Philippines during my short visit. Unfortunately the ones I barfined were not really good in bed.

I have had much more sex in Thailand and thus more chance for better experiences also.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2438406]Her ass may be flat as a pancake but those fun bags sure look manmade! Delicious to be sure, but unlikely to be homegrown, locally sourced and grain fed 100% Thai!

TGs always assume we prefer bigger tits than they are born with. I try to explain that not only is "more than a mouthful is a waste" but that their nipples lose sensitivity after implants.[/QUOTE]I am 99% sure those tits were natural. They felt natural all the way and when she was lying they settled down nicely. I spent quite some time playing with her boobs. Picture attached (naturals).

The other pic (silicon) is from a bar girl who insisted that her tits are natural but I did not believe her in the end. I have to admit that quite a good job from the plastic surgeon though.

The quality of operated tits are getting better and better nowadays in Thailand. I met a really nice lady on soi 6 bar a few weeks back on my last day in Pattaya. I first thought her boobs were natural but she said no, they are operated.

Honest lady, I appreciate that. Her silicon tits were the best ones that I have ever seen in Thailand and she was great in bed. Pity that I have no pictures of her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438500]A question for anyone on the ground in Thailand or in regular communication with girls and service workers who dealt directly with tourists over the past couple of months leading up to the lockdown:

Does anyone know someone in Thailand among those girls and service workers who HAS Covid-19 or is sick enough to possibly have it without the certainty of being tested?

I don't know of anyone who fits that description.

Moreover, I see the same homeless and handicapped beggars sitting in the same spots with money landing in their cups that they must remove and count at some points several times a day. Money that must have been passing through hands, pockets, in and out of purses and wallets of every possible ethnic and racial group of tourists from all over the world for months now. And they don't seem to be the least bit slowed down by a serious, crippling malady requiring hospitalization or even a night off from the job.

And we're talking about people who start out with more compromised health and fitness issues than most anyone reading this. None of them wear masks, gloves or wipe anything off with a disinfectant before handling it or the food they buy with the money.

Now, I am not calling this situation a hoax or dismissing it as insignificant. But, I've got to say there has not yet been compelling empirical evidence that I have seen or heard from anyone I know personally on ground zero who made their living with up close and very personal international tourist contacts for months to convince me to freak out if I only wash my hands for 10 seconds a few times a day instead of 20 seconds every other hour.

Does anybody personally know a bargirl, escort, food server, bank clerk, massage shop girl, homeless street person or anyone else who by now ought to be in a hospital with 10 other co-workers or family members being treated for anything more serious than the usual colds, fevers, headaches and stomach aches people get all the time anyway?

Shouldn't we all know a half dozen or more Thai people, expats and fellow mongers who did have or currently have this ailment by now? In fact, shouldn't there be at least a half dozen ISG members who fit that description by now?[/QUOTE]All great points ET. I also don't buy it that government is hiding the numbers in large amount, like actual numbers are 8-10 k.

But it still makes me confuse how numbers got so huge in Italy, which has huge amount of Chinese labour which returned from China after Chinese new year. But Chinese were also visiting Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia before travel bans but still numbers of positive cases in SE asia are surprisingly low. Could it be that immunity of Asians is stronger than Europeans?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438500]
Shouldn't we all know a half dozen or more Thai people, expats and fellow mongers who did have or currently have this ailment by now? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438541]All great points ET. I also don't buy it that government is hiding the numbers in large amount, like actual numbers are 8-10 k. [/QUOTE]Even if 100,000 people were infected, spread around the whole country (with a population of 65 million!) you would probably not know any of them. Hell, even if Bangkok alone had 100,000 people infected you probably wouldn't know any of them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438500]
Does anyone know someone in Thailand among those girls and service workers who HAS Covid-19 or is sick enough to possibly have it without the certainty of being tested?
[/QUOTE]No, but I have a Thai friend in Italy who's close friend died from pneumonia shortly after being found positive for COVID-19. Obviously, Thailand is not as bad as Italy, but ignoring the problem could make things very bad in Thailand.

I don’t know of any scientifically supported data, but it is still possible that the hot temperatures of Thailand will lessen transmission of the virus.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438177]So true. I have been with perfectly fuckable Thai women barely over the age of 30 with no more than 3 extra kilos spread over their sexy body who insist on repeating how old and fat they are. Same as what you probably do, I tell them if they keep saying that, nobody will want to fuck them, not even me! LOL.[/QUOTE]I date all types and I presume that you are not as 'adventurous' as I am. I had relations with a fat Thai non-pro who never ever uttered a word about her corpulence, LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438500]A question for anyone on the ground in Thailand or in regular communication with girls and service workers who dealt directly with tourists over the past couple of months leading up to the lockdown:

Does anyone know someone in Thailand among those girls and service workers who HAS Covid-19 or is sick enough to possibly have it without the certainty of being tested?

I don't know of anyone who fits that description.

Moreover, I see the same homeless and handicapped beggars sitting in the same spots with money landing in their cups that they must remove and count at some points several times a day. Money that must have been passing through hands, pockets, in and out of purses and wallets of every possible ethnic and racial group of tourists from all over the world for months now. And they don't seem to be the least bit slowed down by a serious, crippling malady requiring hospitalization or even a night off from the job.

And we're talking about people who start out with more compromised health and fitness issues than most anyone reading this. None of them wear masks, gloves or wipe anything off with a disinfectant before handling it or the food they buy with the money.[/QUOTE]I'm in constant touch with 5 girls, none know anyone. I was there for a month, home 3 weeks, lots of chances for exposure, I'm fine. With all my flights and contacts, I must have been exposed to it. My conclusion is ALL will all be exposed to the virus. And the lockdowns are only to slow it down so medical services can take care of those that are susceptible.

[QUOTE=GeneralM;2438595]I'm in constant touch with 5 girls, none know anyone. I was there for a month, home 3 weeks, lots of chances for exposure, I'm fine. With all my flights and contacts, I must have been exposed to it. My conclusion is ALL will all be exposed to the virus. And the lockdowns are only to slow it down so medical services can take care of those that are susceptible.[/QUOTE]Same here. I know Thai working girls who are already questioning the government's severe response to this threat because not only do they not know anyone in their line of work and daily contacts who have gotten sick enough to possibly have been infected by Covid-19, they also don't know anybody who knows anybody that fits that description.

Again, this is not some random sampling of Bangkok dwellers who live and work in Samrong, Nonthaburi, Rangsit and other such places on the outskirts of the greater metropolitan Bangkok area and who might not have been so much as handed a single baht note from a Chinese tourist in the past 6 months. These are lower Sukhumvit workers who could not be more often directly and intimately in deep contact with the steadiest stream of incoming tourists from around the world even if they worked as Immigration Officers at the airport.

Do you people not watch the news? This is a pandemic. Even Trump now says that if 100,000 or less Americans are dead from it by the end of April, he has done a good job. It's basically everywhere and if you know someone that has it, it's too late for you. Think with your big head for once and lock yourself down.

I do not know a Thai girl who has been officially diagnosed with COVID but I do know a former Soi 6 girl who lives just outside of Bangkok now who was very sick from March 15 to March 28, per her Facebook. When she felt well enough to go out she was all over Bangkok yesterday. Did she have COVID and was never diagnosed? Possibly. Would she have went outside if she were physically capable of doing so over those 13 days? Absolutely.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438541]But it still makes me confuse how numbers got so huge in Italy[/QUOTE]

Didn't Europe go to the sh1tter because of that single Italian super spreader who traveled to many countries in Europe before going home to Italy? I assume an overwhelmed health care system is partly responsible for the explosion of cases in Italy.

The chick whose house I stayed at last night is reading the news right now and said a girl on Soi Yensabai has corona. She also read there are 7000 Thai people trying to get back from Italy. She said that may be fake news though.

Another chick sent me a chart yesterday. 36 people so far in Pattaya have been diagnosed with corona.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437157]She started sucking my dick again and trying to fuck. I told her that I was about to go to sleep and was not doing anymore fucking tonight. She said that I should be her mom's boyfriend. I told her that I didn't want anything old except money. She said her mom was only 38. I told her to show me her pictures. She was stunning. She said her and her mom got their nose jobs from the same doctor. (Again guys think chicks are around here not being able to afford food.) I took her home at 11 this morning and gave her 1100 baht. I better send her a message to ask what time her mom will be ready tonight![/QUOTE]So the next day I sent her a message asking about her mom. She said she was ready when I was. She gave me her mom's whatsapp. I started communicating with the mom. I think she does not write English well, but she speaks it. So she wanted to talk on video. It appeared she was in some type of office. I really thought it was like a dry cleaner at first.

She asked me how much I would give her and I told her 1000 Long Time. She said what about for Short Time. I told her that I do not do ST, but 500ST. She said it was not enough. She said 700ST and 1000 LT. Okay. Come over for LT then. She had me pick her up on Pattaya Klang. I told her I would arrive in 10 minutes. When I arrived I sent her a message and she said she would be out in 10 minutes. Oh no the fuck you will not. I am not waiting here 10 minutes when I already told you when I would arrive. She said okay 5 minutes. I said negative. She said I will be right out now then. I know the fuck you will.

She walked to me from wherever she was and she was straight for the stroke. I could not wait to get home and get into those guts. She was pretty affectionate, but at the same time she was very paranoid. I could not figure it out. She went in to take a shower and came back out. I had my phone upright on the wireless charger and she went over and took it off the charger and laid it down. I said why did you do that? She said in case video. I started laughing. I told her that a video camera can be anywhere, not just in the phone. I said in the TV for instance. She said that some guy recorded her before and she did not know. She looked in his phone and saw it. So because of that she is extra cautious.

We fucked and all, but she continued with the paranoia. It was like she thought somebody was watching her like Rockwell. I was seriously frustrated and thought how the hell am I going to be able to deal with this all night. Her daughter hit me up asking me to take her to the bus station. She was going home to Sakon Nakhon. I told her that I was with her mom at the moment. She told me to have fun. I said I can't. This bich is over here driving me crazy worrying about nothing. She asked if she was drunk. I said no. She is just crazy. She said well that is what you wanted.

I turned my attention back to the mom and just then she said that she wanted to leave. PERFECT! I think I even took her back to Pattaya Klang. I gave her the 700 baht and bid her adieu.

The next evening the daughter hit me up asking if I wanted to see her. I said how the hell can I see you when you left to go home? She said she went to Bangkok but because of the stuff happening she would have had to go to Udon and transfer there in order to get to Sakon Nakhon, so she came back to Pattaya. I called bullshit. But she showed me the tickets both ways. Well damn.

The day after that she hit me up saying her mom was worried that I made a video of her. I said that is why I wanted her to leave, because she kept talking crazy. She wanted me to send her a picture of my TV. I sent one and asked why she wanted a picture of my TV. Then I remembered that I told her mom a camera could be anywhere, for example inside of a TV. Now the bich thinks there is a camera inside of MY TV. She said that she already knows her mom is crazy. The mom has sent me messages asking for a picture of my TV and saying she will go to the police if a video of her surfaces. I have not answered any of her messages.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438541]But it still makes me confuse how numbers got so huge in Italy, which has huge amount of Chinese labour which returned from China after Chinese new year. But Chinese were also visiting Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia before travel bans but still numbers of positive cases in SE asia are surprisingly low. Could it be that immunity of Asians is stronger than Europeans?[/QUOTE]Here is a good article about Chinese labour in Italian fashion factories.

[URL]https://spectator.org/coronavirus-the-price-of-luxury/[/URL]

AP.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438753]Another chick sent me a chart yesterday. 36 people so far in Pattaya have been diagnosed with corona.[/QUOTE]The chart you posted says 36 cases in Chonburi province, NOT Pattaya. That is not just Bang Lamung (of which Pattaya is a part), but also Sattahip, Laem Chabang, Muang (town) Chonburi, Si Racha, etc.

It's also about 5 days old. As of this morning there were 52 cases in Chonburi province. [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/30/chonburi-has-a-total-of-52-cases-of-covid-19-confirms-three-new-additional-cases-in-past-24-hours/[/URL].

It's been a while (maybe 10 days) since I saw separate numbers for the various districts, at which time most Chonburi province cases were directly linked to the Lumpini Boxing stadium cluster and there was very little Pattaya related. One Belgian chap had spent an evening at a beer bar on Beach Road Soi 8 and was later diagnosed in Rayong Province (and so is counted as a Rayong case, not Chonburi - "finders keepers" so it seems) .

The Soi Yensabai case is also not included in the Chonburi numbers, because she'd decided to share it with the good yeomen (and yeowomen) of Nongbualamphu province before being identified. [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/30/woman-who-worked-in-pattaya-at-beer-bar-confirmed-in-nongbualamphu-province-with-covid-19/[/URL].

A couple of days ago there was a list published of places where people with Covid 19 had visited, fellow visitors being told that they should self isolate for 14 days [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/28/chonburi-government-releases-list-of-places-where-a-covid-19-infected-person-visited-or-was-found-asks-all-that-visited-in-that-time-frame-to-self-quarantine/[/URL] . Of note is "Beer bars on Pattaya Soi 6 from 24-Feb to 26-Mar". Who would I be to point out that more than half that period is over 14 days ago? One also assumes it is Beach Road Soi 6 (other Soi 6's do exist).

The bottom line is that it's here but appears to be at low levels. Appearances can be deceptive, mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438798]

The day after that she hit me up saying her mom was worried that I made a video of her. I said that is why I wanted her to leave, because she kept talking crazy. She wanted me to send her a picture of my TV. I sent one and asked why she wanted a picture of my TV. Then I remembered that I told her mom a camera could be anywhere, for example inside of a TV. Now the bich thinks there is a camera inside of MY TV. She said that she already knows her mom is crazy. The mom has sent me messages asking for a picture of my TV and saying she will go to the police if a video of her surfaces. I have not answered any of her messages.[/QUOTE]It's not that uncommon. Few times in past when I'm lying down and girl is sucking me and I can't come. I start watching porn on my phone, and as you can imagine, from the position it looks like I am recording her while she's blowing me. Some do get paranoid but seeing the porn on my screen makes them calm. But never have I met this lind of crazy-ass person LOL. I hope sex was good, because that's too much headache for 700 b.

Also maybe just drop a message that you didn't recorded.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438798]Snip.

She asked me how much I would give her and I told her 1000 Long Time. She said what about for Short Time. I told her that I do not do ST, but 500ST. She said it was not enough. She said 700ST and 1000 LT. Snip.

I turned my attention back to the mom and just then she said that she wanted to leave. PERFECT! I think I even took her back to Pattaya Klang. I gave her the 700 baht and bid her adieu. Snip.[/QUOTE]Seems her paranoia got her the 700 baht ST she seemed to want instead of the 1000 LT you wanted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438753]The chick whose house I stayed at last night is reading the news right now and said a girl on Soi Yensabai has corona. She also read there are 7000 Thai people trying to get back from Italy. She said that may be fake news though.

Another chick sent me a chart yesterday. 36 people so far in Pattaya have been diagnosed with corona.[/QUOTE]This is a tough call? I've drawn a number of conclusions living here about the government leaders you hear their recommendations, the solution to the simplest of problems so I cringe so when it comes to the Virus I say God help us especially when the leaders are so racist, prejudice and discriminatory take that with the corruption as part of doing business and the acceptance philosophically telling a white lie is good for people it would be tough to find out the real numbers? When it comes to education in general for the majority of the Thais there is little basic education on bacteria or hygiene everything seem to based on rumors and superstitious beliefs " This is Thailand " I've heard that there are cases here but nothing first hand as to someone close just rumors and more rumors now panic seem to be starting in which again isn't surprising.

When it comes to English, it isn't so much they speak sure majority of mongers seem to feel more comfortable just like it makes a difference if the girls tell them I'm a University girl, do it part-time, my first day, my days one felt he got a catch if the girl didn't have a cell phone, working girls no matter where they come from have a school of their own. We from the West just assume if they speak they should understand I learned that isn't the case what is important is whether they comprehend what is being said and if people pay attention watch their body language and facial expression if you find you are always having the same related conversation then you know they don't. They will tell you yes just so you will stop your mouth! In general, the more you go on the more they shut down and that includes Thai men too.

Seem like your reputation from the young girl might have gotten to the mother? Maybe stick to the younger more naive ones and leave the older ones to LBM? By the way, can you forward me that video?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439054] When it comes to education in general for the majority of the Thais there is little basic education on bacteria or hygiene everything seem to based on rumors and superstitious beliefs " This is Thailand ".[/QUOTE]I had the feeling that most of their education on hygiene comes from their social media accounts (at least for the girls), I see them constantly sharing some weird stuff recommended for treatment of cancers or many other health issues or skin diseases.

The older ones are probably more educated in that matter because they mostly relate on what the old style pharmacist tells them (we can still find a few pharmacists like that, not big branches that only sells western stuffs, but the ones that really try to find a cure to their patients where the pharmacist is a bit like an old Chinese doc).

[QUOTE] When it comes to English, it isn't so much they speak sure majority of mongers seem to feel more comfortable just like it makes a difference if the girls tell them I'm a University girl, do it part-time, my first day, my days one felt he got a catch if the girl didn't have a cell phone, working girls no matter where they come from have a school of their own. We from the West just assume if they speak they should understand I learned that isn't the case what is important is whether they comprehend what is being said and if people pay attention watch their body language and facial expression if you find you are always having the same related conversation then you know they don't. They will tell you yes just so you will stop your mouth! In general, the more you go on the more they shut down and that includes Thai men too.[/QUOTE]LBM, when I read your posts I can feel your pain sometimes, living among them.

Most of your posts are really spot on when it comes to Thai psychology or comportment, your words really reflect some of my past experiences.

Although the issue of always having the same related conversation as if we never discussed it before comes also a lot in my own circles so it's not only typical to Thais.

Restaurants only allowed as take-away only as of today. Some restaurants go on serving seated customers behind closed doors. Entrance through back door. Apparently it is legal for customers to be seated upstairs (as opposed to on the ground floor). Viruses are not supposed to climb stairs. I don't find this game of hide-and-seek with regulations shocking. On the contrary.

[QUOTE=XXL;2439114]Restaurants only allowed as take-away only as of today. Some restaurants go on serving seated customers behind closed doors. Entrance through back door. [/QUOTE]We went to an open air restaurant at 9:30 tonight. There were some people finishing up their meal. The only reason that they made ours takeaway is because they close at 10.

I also went to FoodLand Supermarket today and they made me buy a mask for 25 baht before they would let me in. Went to KFC today and it was also required to wear a mask to enter there, while the cashier did not have hers on.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439054]Seem like your reputation from the young girl might have gotten to the mother? Maybe stick to the younger more naive ones and leave the older ones to LBM? By the way, can you forward me that video?[/QUOTE]LOL. The young girl is the wild one. The apple fell into an entirely different orchard in this case. She has gone back home and still videocalls me and sends me unsolicited porn pics of herself everyday. I hope her boyfriend is sending enough money for both me and him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439198]LOL. The young girl is the wild one. The apple fell into an entirely different orchard in this case. She has gone back home and still videocalls me and sends me unsolicited porn pics of herself everyday. I hope her boyfriend is sending enough money for both me and him.[/QUOTE]You got that video don't forget to share?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439197]We went to an open air restaurant at 9:30 tonight. There were some people finishing up their meal. The only reason that they made ours takeaway is because they close at 10.

I also went to FoodLand Supermarket today and they made me buy a mask for 25 baht before they would let me in. Went to KFC today and it was also required to wear a mask to enter there, while the cashier did not have hers on.[/QUOTE]The virtue-signalling is getting oppressive. You get looked askance if not wearing a mask, even in situations where having a mask on is just plain dumb. There is a spiel with heat guns at entrances. How many of those toys ever detected a single positive?. They should get their act in order with the sanitiser gels instead. Many gels are fake. The smells of ethanol or rubbing alcohol are unmistakable at the concentrations needed. Those gels only smell nice and make your hands sticky.

Yesterday an asshole (not Thai) took me to task in the elevator. He bursted out "ever heard of Corona!?", pointing at the zombie mask plastered over his ugly face. Moron!

The holier-than-you-you're-infecting-me attitude goes up a notch with every day that goes by. I hope the government here sticks to their single digit dead count.

I've been told via Line by one Lady I met in NEP that she has covid19. Says she came down with it 10 days ago now, which is a bit over a week since I left BKK and I haven't had any symptoms. Not much more detail other than she's getting better slowly.

Don't know if for real, hypochondriac or fishing for sympathy moneys.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2438500]A question for anyone on the ground in Thailand or in regular communication with girls and service workers who dealt directly with tourists over the past couple of months leading up to the lockdown:

Does anyone know someone in Thailand among those girls and service workers who HAS Covid-19 or is sick enough to possibly have it without the certainty of being tested?

I don't know of anyone who fits that description.

Moreover, I see the same homeless and handicapped beggars sitting in the same spots with money landing in their cups that they must remove and count at some points several times a day. Money that must have been passing through hands, pockets, in and out of purses and wallets of every possible ethnic and racial group of tourists from all over the world for months now. And they don't seem to be the least bit slowed down by a serious, crippling malady requiring hospitalization or even a night off from the job.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2439277]The virtue-signalling is getting oppressive. You get looked askance if not wearing a mask, even in situations where having a mask on is just plain dumb. There is a spiel with heat guns at entrances. How many of those toys ever detected a single positive?. They should get their act in order with the sanitiser gels instead. Many gels are fake. The smells of ethanol or rubbing alcohol are unmistakable at the concentrations needed. Those gels only smell nice and make your hands sticky.

Yesterday an asshole (not Thai) took me to task in the elevator. He bursted out "ever heard of Corona!?", pointing at the zombie mask plastered over his ugly face. Moron!

The holier-than-you-you're-infecting-me attitude goes up a notch with every day that goes by. I hope the government here sticks to their single digit dead count.[/QUOTE]I reported my opinion earlier if the countries in the West can't get a handle on things when it comes to the leaders of this country who can't even fix a pothole " God help Us " each day something new comes up it seem like the Thai leaders are watching Fox news all the interviews with the experts then presenting the same ideas as if they know what they are doing?

At best they are grasping for straws the best I can say is they are trying that trying is filled with inconsistency! I live on the Darkside and what is being mandated is like day and night how it is applied in town. The last week more and more temperature checks since I travel on a motorbike by the time I get to a place like Big see extra I'm thinking I must be overheating sweating like a pig with all the talk about Virus half the time I feel sick? I get in line check my temperature one day I was like 34, I was thinking I'm fucking dead? The readings are all over the place and the checking is inconsistent at best they decided to use one entrance while the others are wide open. Just last week a lady was in front of me she was over the standard the lady just turn her away. I ask the lady isn't there something in place for this you can't just let her walk away she looked at me with disgust! I seriously doubt any of these checkers have any training or idea as to what to do? Personally, I haven't seen anything as to who to call where to actually go if you think you might have it, on paper, it all looks good but in real practice?

A month ago a big bottle of gel at Facino it was 85 baht for a time you couldn't even get one if you did it was 300 baht, last week locally on the Darkside there was a run on eggs and pork, locally market vendor were charging double. Today, I went by the market to walk around looking for dinner, they must have gotten a huge shipment the free illegal market is in full effect. Many of the booths were selling masks, never seen so many being available you can now get them with Nike, UnderAmor, Addidas logos many others were selling fashionable ones you can now make a fashion statement? When it came to Alcohol hand gels bottles line up everywhere if you have 280-290 baht. There is no shortage today but whether they are up to standard it is anyone's guess.

Cross your fingers people have mercy!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2439080]I had the feeling that most of their education on hygiene comes from their social media accounts (at least for the girls), I see them constantly sharing some weird stuff recommended for treatment of cancers or many other health issues or skin diseases.

The older ones are probably more educated in that matter because they mostly relate on what the old style pharmacist tells them (we can still find a few pharmacists like that, not big branches that only sells western stuffs, but the ones that really try to find a cure to their patients where the pharmacist is a bit like an old Chinese doc).

LBM, when I read your posts I can feel your pain sometimes, living among them.

Most of your posts are really spot on when it comes to Thai psychology or comportment, your words really reflect some of my past experiences.

Although the issue of always having the same related conversation as if we never discussed it before comes also a lot in my own circles so it's not only typical to Thais.[/QUOTE]We take for granted taught to us in the West that is " Critical Thinking " almost every expert interior or exterior of Thailand knows it is missing. As a 1st generation Chinese American I know exactly what you are talking in reference to those old Chinese type pharmacy more herbal than anything else. My mother who just turned 102 from China no education used a lot of those remedies while I was growing up still remember her private closet full of stuff but even the Chinese had their drawbacks in thinking.

I remember one of my friend's wife she was diagnosed with a brain tumor her mother told her there was this Chinese medicine that helped with a friend of a friend so she tried it thereafter she got sick it was determined it had toxin that damaged her liver so she had to hold off on the surgery luckily things turn out okay On a closer note, my Thai wife coming off cancer treatment years back purchased the " magic mushroom " bullshit from China being sold in a local market near the house I remember that stuff being touted in the USA In the Chinese community in the late 80's the FDA put an end to that shit ASAP. I was just returning from a visit to the USA When I return saw she was sick as a dog thought relapse but found out she drank the stuff and took ill immediately. Not going to tell you what I did to the vendor who sold it.

Today even with the Internet the youth of Thailand seem no better zero critical thinking I see it in my daughter-in-law who is academically smart but socially stupid as they come. The more time my son spends with her the more he is becoming like her. Everything is brand name you see on T.V. or the Internet can't think for themselves follow like dogs and monkeys. Sure I too have people in my circle the difference how I see it is they had the opportunity of critical thinking taught to them they choose not to use it because they can't get past their ego and old age stubbornness even with that said you can at least sit and lay into them for being stupid Thais don't have the privilege they have been brainwashed " the more patriotic the more stupid " which translate into the excuse they love to use " this is thailand " you can't even have a simple conversation without them losing face once that happens they just shut down they go through life without criticism as we know that is how you learn at times.

Yes, today it is only pain before it was worse close to hate but I realized one day I couldn't continue feeling and doing what I was doing if something had happened to me there wasn't going to be anyone to raise my son so I had to reinvent myself leave my ego at the border and if that meant kissing some ass to make it happen I would. It hasn't been easy but things are better today but the pain is pushed down and expressed here at times. Funny on some other threads my words and feeling are considered bashing of Thais I wish there were more positive than negatives and I wish what I've gone through and experience no one will ever have to experience themselves. The reason my brother and others keep telling me I should write a book but as you can see that isn't going to happen.

I've tried many times to write some of my experiences here in Thailand it becomes so long never have enough time and don't know how to save it get timed out and it all gets erased.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439398]Snip. I've tried many times to write some of my experiences here in Thailand it becomes so long never have enough time and don't know how to save it get timed out and it all gets erased.[/QUOTE]Write it in a program or app outside of ISG and then copy and paste it into ISG.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2439410]Write it in a program or app outside of ISG and then copy and paste it into ISG.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that is what I'm finding out, told to download Google Docs?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439538]Thanks, that is what I'm finding out, told to download Google Docs?[/QUOTE]I use WPS Office (free download) but Google Docs should be fine too.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439398]
I've tried many times to write some of my experiences here in Thailand it becomes so long never have enough time and don't know how to save it get timed out and it all gets erased.[/QUOTE]Check the box next to 'Remember me?' when you login and you won't get timed out. Or not that fast anyway. As an extra precaution you can copy the text you are writing to the clip board (using ctrl-c) every now and then, so it's not lost in case you do get timed out.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/04/03/chonburi-releases-official-order-with-list-of-new-closures-and-restrictions-including-hotels-and-beaches/[/URL]

The Chonburi Governor has announced a further list of closures effective immediately. First on the list is "all hotels" including similar businesses such as guesthouses and bed & breakfasts. There is an exception "If a hotel still has guests, they must inform the local jurisdiction office within three business days or if they wish to stay open for current guests. ".

The article states that the local hotel association had pushed for the closure order as staff were not entitled to Social Security benefits if hotels shut without a Government order (e. G. Due to low occupancy levels). Unsaid is the wish to prevent an influx of people seeking to escape areas where the virus is more widespread (particularly Phuket and Bangkok), thus bringing possible infection with them to a province where incidence has been mercifully low thus far.

My hotel informs me that they are making the application to remain open for existing guests, but one of the conditions will be no new bookings or check-ins.

For anyone, like me, holed up in a Pattaya (or elsewhere in Chonburi Province) hotel I STRONGLY recommend that you check the situation with your hotel management. I mean Management, the Receptionist may not be aware of the situation. Also ask that they keep you updated on developments and check with them regularly.

Establishments with low occupancy may seize the chance to close and lay off staff because it is more economical to do so than staying open for few guests, turfing remaining customers out at just the time when none of the hotels remaining are allowed to take them in.

Other closures include all beaches and tattoo / body piercing parlours. I guess I shall have to wait a while to get my Prince Albert done!

Here is an excellent map of Covid-19 cases in Thailand.

[URL]https://covidtracker.5lab.co/[/URL]

Here is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine.

Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1.
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973[/URL]

Here is another article. I can't find the medical article for this piece of information. I had seen it yesterday.

You may be able to spread coronavirus just by breathing, new report finds.
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...w-report-finds[/URL]

Please stay home everyone and keep Thailand safe. The less people moving around will keep the curve low. It has gotten dire in America. Personal friends in NYC say it is awful.
Wear a mask!! At least you have them in Thailand.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2440041]Here is an excellent map of Covid-19 cases in Thailand.

[URL]https://covidtracker.5lab.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]If I am reading the map correctly only 2 people in Pattaya have the virus and there are 4 places in and around Pattaya a person with the virus went to.

My friend lives in a village of 7000 people outside of NYC and there are 28 confirmed COVID cases there. Thailand has this virus under control!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2440008]The Virus has taken the front stage before people living here were concern with the drought throughout Thailand. Here in Pattaya, it was already getting bad on the Darkside several of the large lakes were drying up now they are near completion. [/QUOTE]

Is this just a problem on the Dark Side because I have heard nothing from the few gogo girls I know who are still in Pattaya. I'm sure I would have heard something if the gogo girls I know were not able to shower!

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2440041]Please stay home everyone and keep Thailand safe. The less people moving around will keep the curve low. It has gotten dire in America. Personal friends in NYC say it is awful.
Wear a mask!! At least you have them in Thailand.[/QUOTE]My ring doorbell just went off and it was my dad at my house in the States. He had a bandana around his nose and mouth. I called him on whatsapp and told him how they made me buy a mask before going into the store the other day. My stepmom said at least we have them over here in Thailand.

As of now there is nothing to go out to except getting food to bring back home. Pattaya is a ghost town. Everything not food related is shut down. Even in Big see, if it is not food related they have the sections blocked off. A lot of places that were bars, restaurants, or massage parlors are even empty of furnishings now.

People are still gathering in groups to eat and drink though; or at least they are outside where I live. They say well it is only friends. And that is the exact reason the curfew started today. Don't know if I can preach about it because I do have a chick come stay every other day. Most of the chicks that I know have gone back home and the ones still here are scared to come out, but there are still plenty on Thai Friendly and Tinder.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2440048]If I am reading the map correctly only 2 people in Pattaya have the virus and there are 4 places in and around Pattaya a person with the virus went to.

My friend lives in a village of 7000 people outside of NYC and there are 28 confirmed COVID cases there. Thailand has this virus under control!.[/QUOTE]The important point is how many tests they do. Until now they found only 3 (2 some hours ago), but nobody knows, how many unknown are there already. I think they have no control. They are just blind.

Same in the US: The number was long time very low because of low number of tests. If you start acting when the number of COVID patients in hospital increases, it's already too late because of the long incubation period and high infection rate of the virus.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2440048]Is this just a problem on the Dark Side because I have heard nothing from the few gogo girls I know who are still in Pattaya. I'm sure I would have heard something if the gogo girls I know were not able to shower![/QUOTE]It is everywhere. There is a water shortage. I went down to wash clothes the other day and all the machines were off. My landlord said something about the city turning off the water or that he was supposed to turn it off at certain times due to the shortage. He turned the water and the machines back on for me. As far as inside, it has not stopped running though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438798]So the next day I sent her a message asking about her mom. She said she was ready when I was. She gave me her mom's whatsapp. I started communicating with the mom. I think she does not write English well, but she speaks it. So she wanted to talk on video. It appeared she was in some type of office. I really thought it was like a dry cleaner at first.

She asked me how much I would give her and I told her 1000 Long Time. She said what about for Short Time. I told her that I do not do ST, but 500ST. She said it was not enough. She said 700ST and 1000 LT. Okay. Come over for LT then. She had me pick her up on Pattaya Klang. I told her I would arrive in 10 minutes. When I arrived I sent her a message and she said she would be out in 10 minutes. Oh no the fuck you will not. I am not waiting here 10 minutes when I already told you when I would arrive. She said okay 5 minutes. I said negative. She said I will be right out now then. I know the fuck you will.[/QUOTE]After living a handful of years in Thailand, I unfortunately had to leave. Now I live through Mr. Enternational.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2440058]My ring doorbell just went off and it was my dad at my house in the States. He had a bandana around his nose and mouth. I called him on whatsapp and told him how they made me buy a mask before going into the store the other day. My stepmom said at least we have them over here in Thailand.

As of now there is nothing to go out to except getting food to bring back home. Pattaya is a ghost town. Everything not food related is shut down. Even in Big see, if it is not food related they have the sections blocked off. A lot of places that were bars, restaurants, or massage parlors are even empty of furnishings now.

People are still gathering in groups to eat and drink though; or at least they are outside where I live. They say well it is only friends. And that is the exact reason the curfew started today. Don't know if I can preach about it because I do have a chick come stay every other day. Most of the chicks that I know have gone back home and the ones still here are scared to come out, but there are still plenty on Thai Friendly and Tinder.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

You got people who will use stats but as I noted in past reports the government leaders are grasping for straws although they are doing the best they can under the conditions. Many of the leaders and experts have very little expertise in their field their jobs were given to them due to family Thais, they are all part of the swamp you have a government who believe to make government work there has to be corruption and telling a white lie is good for the people so when it comes to stats and charts I take it with a grain of salt. Thailand, an Asian country is no different than China, they come from the same school of thought " Art of War " deflect and lie.

I was wrong! I thought there would be a lot more places opened, I predicted there were be more massage, GC, sneaking around opened but no they have pretty much all closed down. Even the Darkside prior opened the rules seem to have kicked in mostly now take out. Things though are still inconsistent you can't buy a dustpan, garbage can, shoes, underwear at Big see, but you can at a local store. A week ago you couldn't find a mask or Alcohol gel, now they are everywhere even with sports logos on them.

The cat is away so the mouse will play? It has been a month I've been alone the family is stuck up in the farm it was decided everyone stay in place so been working on the house and playing a bit at night with my cousin who got stuck here since his flight was canceled by Eva 25th, of March. Prior to all this, I hooked up with a girl at Bacarra since the closure she has been freelancing with me and my cousins taking her to a Thai local resort for LT, but the other night before curfew I told her we need to stop since she was getting too close and when too close their real self comes out.

As for water, as you noted for some time it has been a problem, the first to know are usually those who live outside of town like me, people have no idea that Pattaya builds a lot of roads but have zero in facilities to save all the water from the rain, majority of it goes into the sea. Much of the water even in shortage is given so the hotels can operate but this year it is different much different. The general population is starting to complain water is now being turn off for days and like yesterday I myself was having a tough time buying it.