American Politics

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2596367]The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/.[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Do you even understand what entrapment means?

Your argument is that because the feds didn't actually intend to kidnap Whitmer, the fact that they organised, encouraged, led and paid for the alleged plan means that it had nothing to do with them. It is absolutely ridiculous.

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/563902-men-accused-of-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-say-fbi-set-them-up-report[/URL]

"There were at least 12 FBI informants involved in the investigation into the group for months while they were allegedly planning to kidnap the governor.

The FBI's involvement was much bigger than previously known, as the agency was involved when the plot began and had informants allegedly encouraging the group to further its plans, BuzzFeed News reported.

An Iraq War veteran informant rose to second in command of the group and paid for travel for members of the kidnapping plot to meet together. He also told members to work together and helped the person in charge advance the plan.

So far, one defendant has accused the agency of entrapment, claiming the informants encouraged the group and even led military-style trainings for the plot. "

The feds organised, ran, funded and planned the entire thing! They were just looking for a couple of goofy patsies to set up in order to pretend there was some "right-wing conspiracy". There was no conspiracy or plan. It wouldn't have happened without the feds pushing it.

The feds are working hand in hand with the fake news and the democrat / RINO Washington establishment. The plan was to make the fake charges stick, have the fake news go into meltdown, then have the dems and RINOs unleash the PATRIOT act / anti-terror apparatus on heritage American population.

Fortunately we still have some semblance of a justice system in which discovery forces the feds to reveal their dubious and illegal methods. No doubt Heels Up Harris and the rest of the anti-American bolsheviks will be trying to change this by packing the Supreme Court and gutting the Constitution.

That is why the "insurrectionists" (LOL) are not being charged with anything of the sort. They are not "damned lucky" about anything. The feds would love to persecute them.

But they cannot, because to do so they would need to release details of the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who, as in the Whitmer case, were undercover feds who actually organised and ran the whole thing. So they are in jail for ridiculous misdemeanour trespass charges.

Meanwhile, actual terrorism has been occurring nightly in cities across America as violent organised communist gangs caused billions of dollars of damage, attacked federal buildings and law enforcement, took over large areas and rendered them lawless. And yet the feds don't lift a finger to do anything about it.

The FBI is no longer fit for purpose. It is politically compromised and must be replaced.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595953]The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted.[/QUOTE]Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.

Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.

We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.

For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.

No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.

Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/[/URL]

A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.

Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.

Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597053]Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.

Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.

We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.

For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.

No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.[/QUOTE]

Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4

[B]Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.[/B]
Oct. 10, 2020
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-immigration-child-separations.html[/URL]

[B]Trump's policies have left U.S. immigration courts in shambles, says immigration reporter.
'It really is on the brink of collapse,' says the Marshall Project's Julia Preston[/B]
July 20, 2019
[URL]https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/u-s-immigration-courts-the-lion-king-a-post-brexit-video-game-johnny-clegg-development-on-the-moon-more-1.5217090/trump-s-policies-have-left-u-s-immigration-courts-in-shambles-says-immigration-reporter-1.5217096[/URL]

[B]One Way Trump May Have Changed Immigration Forever.
For decades, U.S. presidents have managed a delicate consensus on taking in refugees. Trump blew it up.[/B]
3/2/2021
[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/02/biden-immigration-trump-legacy-asylum-refugees-472008[/URL]

[B]DHS Secretary Says Trump To Blame For Bidens Border Crisis. Heres Why.[/B]
3/21/2020
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/21/dhs-secretary-says-trump-to-blame-for-bidens-border-crisis-heres-why/[/URL]

[B]Why Trumps Immigration Policies Will Be So Hard to Undo.
The presidents ethnonationalist agenda could take years to unwind, but the families targeted by it dont have that long[/B]
Oct. 10, 2020
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/immigration-policy-changes-under-trump-1073343/[/URL]

[B]Trump 'gutted' immigration system, says Homeland Security Secretary[/B]
Mar. 2, 2021
[URL]https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/trump-gutted-immigration-system-says-homeland-security-secretary-121030200128_1.html[/URL]

[B]A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' blocked it from happening[/B]
Aug. 21, 2021
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-racist-hysteria-blocked-help-afghans-ex-pence-adviser-2021-8[/URL]

[b]Unaccompanied Minors Surge at Border Began in September, Well Before Biden Took Office[/b]
3/25/2021
https://www.newsweek.com/unaccompanied-minors-surge-began-after-judge-revoked-trumps-pandemic-travel-ban-november-1578847

It was inevitable that Trump's mismanagement and incompetence would trigger a record high number of illegal crossings starting during his so-called presidency. As you see in the link above, he started it by at least last September, months before Biden crushed him with a landslide victory in a free and fair election where the only evidence of widespread election fraud was among Republicans. As usual.

Trump broke records on illegal border crossings since the previous Republican was potus all through his presidency. Note the date below...

[b]Border crossings by undocumented migrants in March hit 12-year high.
Officials said crossings by families hit record highs. More than 53,000 people traveling as part of families were apprehended, up from 36,000 in February.[/b]
April 9, 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-crossings-undocumented-migrants-march-hit-12-year-high-n992611

IMHO, this is a much better economic legislation result than flushing Trillion$ down the shitter on another failed Supply-Side/Trickle-Down tax cut for top income margins and corporations that, predictably, produced zero noticeable increase in GDP Growth, created FEWER USA jobs in the years after it was passed than in the years before it was passed and sat there slack-jawed stupid useless to prevent or mitigate the inevitable Great Republican Crash, Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the Millions that followed.

Cue the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media to assert over and over again before the next elections that "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Democrats!" Lol.

[B]Child tax credit lifted 3 million kids from poverty in July[/B]
Aug. 26, 2021
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/child-tax-credit-lifted-3-million-kids-from-poverty-in-july.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The first monthly payment of the child tax credit lifted households with 3 million kids out of poverty in July, according to a Columbia University analysis.

That represents a 25% cut in the child poverty rate, according to the paper.

The rate will likely fall further, but depend on the success of outreach efforts to lower-income parents who dont typically file a tax return.[/QUOTE]More to come..

[QUOTE=GDreams;2596499]Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.[/QUOTE]That's because there is a deep spiritual connection.

Plus, they have $110 billion to buy our weapons, but that's probably nothing, I'm sure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2597236]Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4

[B]Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.[/B]
[/QUOTE]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597045]What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.

As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.

If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270[/URL]

Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:

[URL]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/[/URL]

Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?[/QUOTE]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

Take Timothy McWeigh.

That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.

So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597322]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

Take Timothy McWeigh.

That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.

So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.[/QUOTE]Yes, all of us can and have explained these things. The problem is Wingers LOVE not to know anything true. So even if it does sink in they will pretend it didn't. LOL.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597318]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]As long as you, Trump and Miller lump legal Immigration in with illegal immigration as a plague on the country of immigrants, USA, I will agree with you that America would be much, much better off today if we had at least been more selective about preventing certain immigrations.

Among them, the parentage of...

[B]Immigrant bashers among the 6 sons of immigrants running for president[/B]
July 25,2015.
[URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-25/immigrant-roots-link-six-2016-candidates[/URL]
[quote][B]Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump[/B][/quote]

Yep, most of those were mid-20th Century immigrations, including Trump's mother, the era you said we had "no mmigration."

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597322]Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?

First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.

Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.

Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?

75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.[/QUOTE]Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.

No LEO was killed or significantly injured during Jan 6. Not a single protester was found in possession of a firearm. Virtually zero damage was done to the building (some other leftist wacko on here was actually reduced to complaining that someone spilled some paint on the floor. LOL).

As for your fake stat on right-wing domestic terrorism, that is false on its face from the events of the previous year and a half. There have been thousands of acts of violent terrorism carried out by antifa / BLM communists, which have caused several billion dollars in damage.

But of course the politically biased Washington establishment supports that kind of violence, so they don't count it as terrorism despite the fact it involves attacks on and attempts to burn down federal buildings and police precincts (with occupants still inside) and destruction of entire city blocks; as well as the creation of lawless zones in cities.

Instead of doing anything about that, the Washington establishment sends its feds to find a couple of doofuses, and entraps them into saying they are going to do something they would never have done on their own without the encouragement, funding, organization, and whipping up of the feds.

This is exactly what happened in the fake Whitmer kidnap case, where discovery has revealed that [B]*the majority*[/B] of the so-called plotters were working with or for the feds, including leaders who planned and paid for everything. And again in the Jan 6 hoax, where the feds have dropped all but the most basic BS trespass charges because anything more serious would have forced them to unmask the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who were working for them.

P.S. Fun fact point about the 1971 bombing: it was carried out by the Weather Underground far-left terror group. This was run by Bill Ayers, who would go on to become the mentor and inspiration to another America-hating communist: Barack Hussein Obama.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597054]Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/[/URL]

A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.

Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.

Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.[/QUOTE]The QOP is now accusing Pelosi and elderly Democrats of [B]following CDC mask guidelines[/B].

What, I ask, could be more ludicrous? The video is question shows maskless people eating outside. These actions are well within current CDC guidelines. Add to it the high likelihood that all of the participants were fully vaccinated and you have "much ado about nothing". [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597448]Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.[/QUOTE]Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.

But if the glove fits.

Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.

Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.

You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.

Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.

But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.

Just the facts.

[QUOTE]In its Homeland Threat Assessment released in October 2020, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that racially and ethnically motivated violent extremistsspecifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2597318]You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.

America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]Unless you are a Native American, then you are an immigrant. You don't want any more of you here because you've got yours.

As to your ludicrous assertion that the US had no immigration during the middle of the 20th century, google how many Hungarians came to the US between 1956 and 1960. Google how many Cubans entered the US between 1959 and 1965.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2597664]Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.

But if the glove fits.

Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.

Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.

You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.

Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.

But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.

Just the facts.

[URL]https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states[/URL][/QUOTE]That's the thing with supporters of the former guy. If they don't like the "real" facts, they make stuff up and call them "alternative facts". Then, they say that all news sources are "fake" unless they are approved by the former guy.

And the real killer is that supporters of the former guy have absolutely no idea that this tactic was used 80+ years ago. [URL]https://www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2020/01/similarities-between-hitler-and-trump/[/URL].