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[QUOTE=David_33;1199042]Yes, plus the fact that she is a bit older and has three kids. She's not going to risk screwing up a possible relationship for such a small sum. Its easy to get paranoid reading the posts on this forum, but often the girls are in fact honest. I would give her the money, but maybe that´s because I am soft hearted david_33.[/QUOTE]I often find girls who have had one kid. Then in some case I will know the hips have "flared " there maybe some stomach stetch marks and the boobs may or maynot be affected. I have ocassionalyl gone with a a girl with two kids and the damage has increased. But three kids. I would want to see the product first before entering into a lengthy stay with said lady. (yes I know you werent the original poster.)

[QUOTE=David_33;1199061]I respectfully disagree with you on this one Sammon. The guy seems to be looking for a LTR and doesn't seem to be a monger. The girl in question will bend over backwards to make sure he's happy given her circumstances. You really think she's going to blow it by trying to squeeze Western Union out of a guy who is planning on traveling to her island and staying with her? Maybe she really got bit by a dog and needed some rabies shots. Or maybe I´m just a hopeless romantic.[/QUOTE]As we experienced visitors to Phi know very well, even if you are looking for LTR there are better options. Not just fall for the first girl with three kids to show interest in you. This guy should weigh his options and decide after going to Phi and meet as many as possible.

I am not against him meeting this lady and falling head over heels for her. Love is blind as they say. Maybe in my younger years I believe that. Now it is more like I am blind and stupid if I am played around before I get into her pussy.

As I was saying he can support her if knowingly done that he is doing social service. Today it is bitten by a dog, tomorrow by a buffallo and the buffallo died etc. We know the routine. A lady with three kids will do anything to milk him. I have never met anybody with more than one kid and that too not living with her. Less baggage means less demand.

All I am saying is once he meets her and she makes him feel happy and satisfied it is ok for him to support her. Since he asked for advice here it is our duty to advice.

The fact that there are also 3 kids involved makes the potential for more requests for help exponentially greater.

Na I think we should start a biz. We could make a fortune scamming guy like this. We can pay the girls a salary of 4k they can have 20 guys sending us money every month. We can do photos and dockets.

Any time a guys visits we can think of some scam and get the police involved so we can clean out his bank accounts.

Oh wait I been living here too long

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1199278]Na I think we should start a biz. We could make a fortune scamming guy like this. We can pay the girls a salary of 4k they can have 20 guys sending us money every month. We can do photos and dockets.

Any time a guys visits we can think of some scam and get the police involved so we can clean out his bank accounts.

Oh wait I been living here too long[/QUOTE]There are more than a few guys doing that sort of thing already, guys who came to the Philippines and ended up on skid row. They coach the girls and write the sales copy for their profiles on the dating sites where they fish for lonely hearts. When the pension check falls short or the nest egg gets blown on poo-say and grog some expats turn to the second oldest profession. They become cybernetic pimps.

[QUOTE=Algol; 1199025]My questions are:

Did I possibly blow it with this girl by helping out with the $20?

Anyone see this particular scam before?[/QUOTE]Sending women money before you meet them is never a good idea no matter how small the sum. To you it seems like no big deal. You think, 'It's only 20 dollars. ' She thinks, 'Wow, I just made 840 pesos just by chatting with this guy. ' Soon she is doing multiple chats and pulling 840 pesos and up from dozens of lonely guys. The easy money is like crack cocaine and the requests start. You get mad but can you blame her? Think of it this way, you give your girlfriend a few puffs on a crack pipe. She likes it and wants more. She is addicted to crack. In order to get more to ease the cravings she starts lying and stealing from you. You're angry at her because she is a crack-head. But wasn't you the one that gave her the first taste of that ice?

If no one ever sent Filipinas money without first meeting and boning them there would be no scammers online. When you send money to girls who you've never met in person you're offering incentives for them to become scammers. Filipinos are not loose with their money when dealing with each other. When you start off relationships by dispensing cash don't be annoyed if they start treating you like an ATM. Would you do the same thing at home? Do you give women money to pay for internet access and phone bills simply because they communicate with you?

Now, this girl has 3 mouths to feed. 4 if you include hers. Her priority will always be supporting the kids and herself. If she is spending precious pesos chatting with you most likely she is expecting more than a Viagra induced pounding and some chocolates for her time and money. An hour a day video chatting is a lot of time and money for a girl with that much responsibility to spend on a guy she might never meet. It's quite possible that working the internet is her job. It's not unusual for internet girls to cultivate several sponsors at a time. If you want to play sugar-daddy and save her and the kids then keep at it. Though, it would seem that you're not getting the best return on your investment in light of all the other options available. Perhaps, you're seeking a ready-made family. If not, you may want to reconsider setting the girl and yourself up for a huge disappointment in the future.

[I]Originally Posted by Great Muta in the Manila thread

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free. [/I]

Not sure exactly why he posted this question in the MANILA thread?

Try dateolicious. Com.

Seems to be a new one. I cannot vouch for it but it is free, and not just Asia. Not as user-friendly as DIA but might assist someone burned out with DIA.

Another is Find Love Asia ([url]www.findloveasia.com[/url])

As they used to say." flatter than a pancake "

[url]http://www.dateinasia.com/lookingforman.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1199414]If no one ever sent Filipinas money without first meeting and boning them there would be no scammers online. .Do you give women money to pay for internet access and phone bills simply because they communicate with you?[/QUOTE]I agree. Sending money without getting anything (sexual) in return is plain stupid. She'll respect you more if you say "No". In fact one of the best things foreigners can learn is how to say "No". This one word will save you tons of cash and prevent many headaches while in SEA.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1199812]As they used to say." flatter than a pancake "

[url]http://www.dateinasia.com/lookingforman.html[/url][/QUOTE]You just ruined my breakfast (pancakes).

[url]http://www.dateinasia.com/simple+Rose14.html[/url]

FUn and GAME always! At anytym and any place, GET IT! Shows what you've got and I will show MINE!

I do appreciate enthusiasm and showmanship.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1199278]Na I think we should start a biz. We could make a fortune scamming guy like this. We can pay the girls a salary of 4k they can have 20 guys sending us money every month. We can do photos and dockets.

Any time a guys visits we can think of some scam and get the police involved so we can clean out his bank accounts.

Oh wait I been living here too long[/QUOTE]Nice, but I couldn't sleep at night. I'd rather try the cyber method sans the scam. Build a better dateinasia. Com and the mongers will come. Just need to sell ads and offer special memberships cheap. And certainly assist the ladies in writing better copy. Most need the help. Do you think I could I collect payment-in-kind? And would I want to?

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1193255]I think you guys misunderstood my question. No way I'll ever send money to someone I haven't met. I already know that.

My question was, why do some DIAers find mostly moneygrubbers while other DIAers find mostly genuine girls when it's the same dating pool?[/QUOTE]If a guy age 55+ is writing a lady age 18-22, she is usually interested in money and he is usually interested in young sex. But I think some guys are attracted to scammers the same way some Al-Anon women can pick out an alcoholic from 50 feet. In both cases, their radar gives them a bad feed.

I knew a guy who wanted to date beautiful women. He made good money, but hadn't considered all his options. I told him "Get plastic surgery." You just have to know your strong and weak points and go from there. Now I would tell him dateinasia. Com. After the surgery, of course.

I get rejected by 19 out of 20 women, sometimes quite expressively. But that 20th woman makes the hunt worthwhile. Or not. There is a reason I read this site, after all.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1199414]Sending women money before you meet them is never a good idea no matter how small the sum. To you it seems like no big deal. You think, 'It's only 20 dollars. ' She thinks, 'Wow, I just made 840 pesos just by chatting with this guy. ' Soon she is doing multiple chats and pulling 840 pesos and up from dozens of lonely guys. The easy money is like crack cocaine and the requests start. You get mad but can you blame her? Think of it this way, you give your girlfriend a few puffs on a crack pipe. She likes it and wants more. She is addicted to crack. In order to get more to ease the cravings she starts lying and stealing from you. You're angry at her because she is a crack-head. But wasn't you the one that gave her the first taste of that ice?

If no one ever sent Filipinas money without first meeting and boning them there would be no scammers online. When you send money to girls who you've never met in person you're offering incentives for them to become scammers. Filipinos are not loose with their money when dealing with each other. When you start off relationships by dispensing cash don't be annoyed if they start treating you like an ATM. Would you do the same thing at home? Do you give women money to pay for internet access and phone bills simply because they communicate with you?

Now, this girl has 3 mouths to feed. 4 if you include hers. Her priority will always be supporting the kids and herself. If she is spending precious pesos chatting with you most likely she is expecting more than a Viagra induced pounding and some chocolates for her time and money. An hour a day video chatting is a lot of time and money for a girl with that much responsibility to spend on a guy she might never meet. It's quite possible that working the internet is her job. It's not unusual for internet girls to cultivate several sponsors at a time. If you want to play sugar-daddy and save her and the kids then keep at it. Though, it would seem that you're not getting the best return on your investment in light of all the other options available. Perhaps, you're seeking a ready-made family. If not, you may want to reconsider setting the girl and yourself up for a huge disappointment in the future.[/QUOTE]I do not thing the situation is quite so black and white as you paint it.

Sure the women want money, that's true any place in the world; in poorer countries they need it more.

If you give a woman money does not automatically turn her into a scammer, depends on the woman.

I think it's ok to send small amounts as a gift. It's the guys who are stupid and don't know how to say "no" that get abused financially. If it wasn't a pinay milking them it would be someone else. Some people are born to be prey. Are you living in the Philippines; if so for how long. I must say you are even more cynical than I am.

As Santa would say. To give is to receive.

I never send money nowadays. Beggars will last 3 sec on my Yahoo-list. I did however send money a few times during the years. A couple of times it turned out to be a well invested token of trust. A couple of times it evolved to some sort or cam tease entertainment and I felt that I got some bang for the buck, sitting in dull Europe. And a couple of times it was a plain rip off. On the level of stealing candy compared to what I spent on other females over the years. But still technically a full scaled rip off.

Shame on me, but a couple of times in the past I took advantage of a girl, having her show her tits and pussy in cam, only to "get a problem with Xoom". Not so elegant or gentleman like, but I blame the beers and previous rip off see*nt (nowadays I am a f*cking saint).

Livejasmin charge 1-2 USD a minute and AsianBabesChat more or less the same. For anyone that wants distraction, entertainment and / or the illusion of a relation, it can be just as well invested money and time, as hundreds of other things people push energy (read money and time) into. CM, I can see your way of reasoning living in the hot zone, but on the other hand we pay several times a day to get a specific emotion. Not only sexual, but several other "states of mind" will be induced by various media we pay for. Books, films, the eructation generally refereed as "news", beers, etc. We spend money distracting ourselves simply, and we take the best one available for our current budget. Most often we will be a part of motivating the provider to continue. And surely providing some sort of cam entertainment, be it social or sexual, is less harmful than crack to the general maximization of happiness? Hell, these on-line providers might even be part of a grand training program where they (we) teach pinays to maintain a dependant mindset, resulting in them on top of one of us, sooner than later. How could we possibly evaluate the real consequences of these 20 USD?

"Scammers" is in fact quite a wide definition. I think it is a way to categorize people who either waste our time or money, or both, and do not produce sufficient return on the investment (but wait. This is the exact description of my "advisor" at the bank).

The simple ones are easily detected and consume very little time. The more elaborate scammers often provide some value, but in the end it turns out to be less than we expected. Still perhaps on a level that will only be considered problematic if we weigh pride and ego into the evaluation. The professional scammers are fortunately very few, and most of us only knows about a friend of a brother of a guy that we heard of, that was scammed of something worth crying about. I can guarantee anyone that Richard S. Fuld, Jr. Created more on-line scammers than the combined ISG population will, in all eternity. One could say that Fuld is Indian Chief Scam number one (or perhaps I have him confused with Chief Henry Paulson?).

Perspective, gentlemen.

All the best from Barba.

Countdown for Davao

[QUOTE=Barba;1200496]Livejasmin charge 1-2 USD a minute[/QUOTE]Now charging in Euros and comes out to at least $2. 50 a minute. Out of that the girls who work in a "Studio" for a boss get half of what he gets which is 35% of the total. So the girl gets 17. 5% of what you have paid. If you get off on webcam chats, better for both of you to exchange YMs and deal direct.