Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303559]Girl earned her 3000.

2. Just because a girl get wet doesn't mean she is into you. LOL.

3. I know BKK and Pattaya. Your report sounds a lot more credible than another long winded guy who seems to make up stuff and is fantasy more than reality.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks.

5. Remember guys its their job to Sex wit you. Stop with they are having orgasms left and right. Freaking funny.[/QUOTE]A 60% unsatisfactory experience rate is acceptable nowadays? Just with go-go girls, or all sex workers?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2303285]Funny use of the word "fianc" which basically means "intending to marry". If he intended to marry all of them, seems a bit impetuous. I would suggest to take much longer before deciding to marry any Thai girl. Bad mistakes can happen.

"The most expensive pussy is the free pussy" I agree with that. Not sure if you intended it or not. Paying for a hooker can be a lot cheaper, than looking after a wife or girlfriend (plus her family) etc. Unless you managed to select a girl with money.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's exactly what I meant by fiancée. Meet family for engagement parties in Issan. Promises made. Wedding schedules set (without papers in Issan followed by legal marriage in USA). Work toward fiancée visas started. Definitely impetuous, but he actually brought the last one to USA and they are now legally married, complete with wedding at his neighborhood Catholic Church.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2303738]Yep, that's exactly what I meant by fiance. Meet family for engagement parties in Issan. Promises made. Wedding schedules set (without papers in Issan followed by legal marriage in USA). Work toward fiance visas started. Definitely impetuous, but he actually brought the last one to USA and they are now legally married, complete with wedding at his neighborhood Catholic Church.[/QUOTE]There is one born every minute. What can you say!

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What a terrible fucking experience. I'm really disappointed. I am thinking about going back tonight to tell the mamasan of how shit it was, but really what good will it do?[/QUOTE]The 'I shy', 'you big big' routine is a common con trick that girls use on newbies to try and get out of doing the work you're paying her for. The thing to do is relentlessly pound her so that she realises you're not some weak fool who can be played like that. They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.

Wow. Down goes Joe Frazier is right before our eyes happening to Nana Plaza. The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide. Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either.

Methinks it climate change. LOL. Or maybe the Girls are working building Ford cars now. No way is the avg to darn right unsightly girls going to make money working BAR.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303789]Wow. Down goes Joe Frazier is right before our eyes happening to Nana Plaza. The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide. Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either.

Methinks it climate change. LOL. Or maybe the Girls are working building Ford cars now. No way is the avg to darn right unsightly girls going to make money working BAR.[/QUOTE]Well it was wall to wall Saturday night and Sunday so what days are you talking about?

[QUOTE=foolman;2303784]The 'I shy', 'you big big' routine is a common con trick that girls use on newbies to try and get out of doing the work you're paying her for. The thing to do is relentlessly pound her so that she realises you're not some weak fool who can be played like that. They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.[/QUOTE]Or usually not.

[QUOTE==*****man;2303784]They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.[/QUOTE]Yes. Yes you are right *man I was a weak fool. Played. Damn it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259734]After my first seven or eight rejections in a row for what I would want from those rare cuties in Beergarden Soi 7, I just resigned myself to going in there with friends who like the place as a mongering venue and to eat the food. Still, that amounts to at least one visit there per month over the past 6 years. And while I am there I do what has been mentioned in this exchange; meet and chat with whoever has potential sitting next to me, comes over to me, draws me over to them, see what happens. And my answer to that last part is nothing much positive happens. For me, that is. Which I am fine with.

Weirdly, I have a much better rate of success for either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP with the younger, better looking girls in Thermae than with any of the women in Beergarden Soi 7, from the rare cuties to the marginally passable ones. Hard for it not to be better and a lot better! lol. I have no idea why that is so, but there it is.[/QUOTE]Old timer here who used to love Thermae and had several regulars, all long since retired (think the early 2000 years of this century).

Its now packed with girls who go all out to look like JAV idols, and while that's great in porn, the prices and attitudes suck. Also, its not a place to linger, you buy a beer pick a floozie and depart!

I can't say the Beergarden is fantastic, but you can have a chat with friends, the food is bearable, and the bar bill is not padded and probably better value than any in Angeles City for lady drinks.

It gradually replaced Thermae for me, and I am even worried it may soon be a part of history, given the construction all around and along Sukhumvit, so I try to max my time there.

I'm VERY fussy about attitudes, and GFE, less about looks, all new pussy is an aphrodisiac, after all.

I do sometimes ask the ladies to arrange a little weed, once I have talked to them for a while, and figure them out. Most oblige, its the safest way to do this if you must, and even overpaying is better than getting turned in by some dude on the street (the girls have almost zero pull with the cops, and in any case, I've even had girls with BROTHERS in the BiB who'll smoke it up with me. For many it makes the night go better for them as well.).

So, out of curiosity, what are you asking them for? Anal? Hardcore Video / pics? Substances?

I used to get many to oblige me, before the internet really took off, but I don't really bother with all that BS now anyway. Please gentlemen, no horror story drug lectures, I am nearly 60 and have managed to be quite unscathed my entire life all over the globe, including BYO, where required, if its not your bag fine, I'm just saying its how I roll. Tho, I am avoiding the PI until that psychotic addict they have as a president is gone.

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So, out of curiosity, what are you asking them for? Anal? Hardcore Video / pics? Substances?

[/QUOTE]On the rare occasions I go to Beer Garden Soi 7 these days, most of the time I am only there to eat with a friend who likes the place and I don't ask the ladies for anything. I just order some food to eat, chat with my friend and move on. If an acceptably attractive lady sidles up to me while I am sitting there and she insists I tell her what it would take to agree to a Short Time, I will tell her either boom boom no condom or a blowjob with a proper cum inside her mouth finish, either one, up to her.

Actually, I cruised through there about 3 weeks ago looking for a friend, was flagged over by a reasonably attractive lady I'd never seen around before sitting alone at one of the side tables. We chatted a few minutes and, wonder of wonders, she not only agreed to give me such a blowjob, but amazingly enough, she actually honored the agreement and GAVE me one in my room. Swear to god, that was a Beer Garden Soi 7 lady first for me in, oh maybe 26-27 different encounters with the ladies who hang out there. I only had one other Beer Garden Soi 7 lady agree to a real blowjob with a real blowjob finish in those 26-27 previous conversations. So I took her. That was about 3 years ago. But in the room, it turned out she lied about it. Pulled a cum-dodge at the crucial moment and I pretty much had to grab my own dick and jerk off a finish to stop the pain.

Only one Beer Garden Soi 7 lady ever agreed to boom boom no condom with me among that group and meant it back in the room. But she was really unattractive and I only agreed to a ST with her on the hope that doing so would break my "Beer Garden Soi 7 Curse" in that regard. LOL. It didn't.

I should add that the first Beer Garden Soi 7 lady who actually delivered a promised blowjob with a proper CIM finish for me a few weeks ago has been Lining me like crazy ever since to take her again and this time for the boom boom no condom sex she refused to provide the first time around. But I have honestly been so busy with other, younger, better looking girls I have not had the time and inspiration to take her up on it. Besides, there is a part of me that can't believe she isn't bullshitting about it and won't pull some kind of Beer Garden Soi 7 lady surprise unpleasantness before it gets done. lol.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303559]Girl earned her 3000.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks..[/QUOTE]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2304043]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos!

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2304059]Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos![/QUOTE]Haha. I have several times listed Bangkok go-go bars as among the best places for me to score the kind of True GFE I need (BBFS+CIP primarily, BBBJ+CIM secondarily). And with younger, better looking girls than you'll find in the MPs, Beer Bars, on the street or on the dating sites. Generally.

However, I can see why that would not be the case for other punters. Classic YMMV, I suppose.

Moreover, what I deem to be the ultimate "service" goal might be very different from yours anyway. I don't know.

In my experience, the negotiation skill/game to get what I need is to throw a sweet, genuine smile at my targeted girl on stage, see if she returns one. If she does, play with that for a while. Not like a stalker. I glance around the rest of the bar, too, but always come back to her. When she comes off the stage at the end of her set, she ought to be inspired to come right over to me and sit down. Chit chat for a bit, where you from, where you stay, you have wife, etc. Once it is clear she really wants me to barfine her, I tell her what I need (boom boom no condom). More often than most here might believe, her reply will be a smile and a nod. I'm not particularly comfortable with that reply, so I will ask more directly for a "yes or no" reply.

Sometimes she brings up "How much" before we get to the "For what" part. That's ok. I might need to go up by 500 baht or so from what most punters would say is the going rate. Barfine plus 2,000-2,500 to the girl is what I generally wind up paying. Of course, they start at 3,000. But it really isn't hard to move them off that. There will be some stubborn exceptions, to be sure. Seems to run about 50-60% success rate for me in go-go bars these days once the girl has sat down next to me.

Butterflies, Billboard, Enter, Twister BKK, Mandarin Bars are my usual go-to bars for this in Nana Plaza. Cactus Bar, Suzy Wong and Long Gun on Soi Cowboy. But I branch out and test the waters in other bars, too.

The worst places for me to get the kind of True GFE I'm talking about, as I have stated many times, are MPs (even the so-called PSE ones), Beer Garden Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. Each for different reasons.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303789]Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either[/QUOTE]Are you talking about midweek?

From what I witnessed last weekend NEP was holding it's own, however one Mamasan I spoke with did say it was quiet, but maybe they always say that.

One girl mentioned that some of her friends had already gone home for Songkran which I thought was early.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2304043]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Complaining in LOS might leave one with Brain damage. LOL.