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[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3007894]I am premium member and have no such problem. My photos have never been verified. Moments ago I sent 2 TF messages, both were successful. One used the mobile app and the other used the full website (laptop). One possible twist is that I'm currently located in USA and not using VPN.[/QUOTE]I'm a premium member as well, and never had this problem either. Not until yesterday anyway. And I'm not using a VPN.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007893]I never ask a girl "How much? That's a rookie mistake that even some so called veterans make. I always approach a girl with my rate first and negotiate from there. If you ask the girl "How much?" then of course she is going to shoot high. It's a no brainer and some guys don't get that. If you make your offer first your chances are better. [/QUOTE]What the hell? What you are talking about doing is the rookie mistake. Who would go up to the owner of a car or house and just make an offer without knowing how much they were looking to get? You walk up offering them 2000 baht off the bat when they may have been willing to take 1000 baht if you had bothered to ask. In 90% of the cases dealing with you, it is their lucky day. You do all the shooting high for them.
Case in point. I emailed dive shops in the Caribbean about taking the self-reliant course and they responded in the neighborhood of $500. This morning I went to a dive shop in Pattaya and asked about the course. From your perspective I should have walked in and offered $400 for the course. But no. I walked in and asked how much for the course. I was told 1500 baht, which is $45 for 2 days with everything included.
Even when offering, there is a saying that goes if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.
Many times here it has been said that it is bullshit when a chick says she has to bring the key to a friend. I have always said it is true and actually a thing. At my building the person without a key thing happened so often that the owner posted a sign on both sides of the door saying 20 baht if someone needs the door opened for them. He has even gone as far as to put one of those card readers in the elevator to remind Thai people not to leave their key. (You can always take the stairs without the card reader though and wait by the door for someone coming in or going out to let you out.).
In true Thai fashion, they would rather repeatedly pay a 20 baht fine for not having a key than to get a key made for 30 baht. Somehow my girlfriend has been getting into the building and showing up at my door. The first time I thought maybe she walked in behind someone. But I went outside yesterday and saw that instead of copying the damn thing someone stores their keycard on top of the change machine next to the door so they can share it.
Another thing we know is that Thais would rather risk a 1000 baht fine than to buy a 200 baht helmet to put on their heads. If guys here report paying all this money and giving all these tips to people, then you would at least expect them to take care of mickey mouse shit like a key or helmet so it will not cost them exorbitantly more in the future, but TIT.
[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007912]Only the normal price for guys that can't negotiate and think they are cool if they overpay or look better. I think its pure idiocy. Its guys like you that drive up prices.
And for no reason at all. I have never seen any girl wanting 4 k for short time on all of those thaigroups and pages I have looked at.[/QUOTE]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer.
You're focused only on the price per bucks, like the subcmdr motherfuck so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.
You've got to understand that some girls are popular and are racking up loads of dudes queing to get their hands on these kind of chicks.
If you pay attention to the attractiveness of the chicks, eventually you'll have no other choice than giving her an interresting enough offer for her, because these kind of girls have become kind of scarce in Pattaya.
If that chick is queing guys willing to give her 3 or 4 K for ST, why the fuck would she want to accept your lowball 1,5 K offer?
The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once (except subcmdr it seems).
No Great soi 6 shenanigans to report today.
[QUOTE=Knobrm;3007887]... and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT....
[/QUOTE]Indeed 'hot' ones, as you say, unwittingly putting your finger on the real issue. And when not only 'hot' but 'young' to boot, it's even worse. As to their possibly being starfishes, doesn't it sound like sour grapes?
With much idle time on my hand, I often sit surfing in my hotel lobby, at the same time spying on what girls guests have in tow. It's a mostly non-Asian hotel. I'm not impressed, to say the least. I don't know what those guests paid but I'm sure you can't accuse them of driving up prices.
[QUOTE=Knobrm;3007887]...
... but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.[/QUOTE]
I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant. As mentioned above, the real question is: 'hot' and 'young'?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;3007865]Looks like Thai Friendly is getting more strict. My head line was "In Pattaya now, looking for ST". This morning I went to Bangkok, and when I arrived there I changed the head line to "In Bangkok now, looking for freelancer". About 5 minutes later I got attached message. Obviously I was not offering paid services, but apparently the 'ST' in my head line was the reason I got this message.[/QUOTE]Yes, the same happened to me after I returned from Thailand. The site is on a blitz to remove any indications of p4 p. Girls are getting repeatedly banned each time that they open a new account so they must be doing checks.
[QUOTE=XXL;3007968]Indeed 'hot' ones, as you say, unwittingly putting your finger on the real issue. And when not only 'hot' but 'young' to boot, it's even worse. As to their possibly being starfishes, doesn't it sound like sour grapes?
With much idle time on my hand, I often sit surfing in my hotel lobby, at the same time spying on what girls guests have in tow. It's a mostly non-Asian hotel. I'm not impressed, to say the least. I don't know what those guests paid but I'm sure you can't accuse them of driving up prices.
I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant. As mentioned above, the real question is: 'hot' and 'young'?[/QUOTE]Soi Buk How McDonalds am.
Take a look at the fellas and their Long Times. One guy had 2 Uglies. LOL. Hahaha.
It's one Ugly after another. I would be Surprised if they are Paying 500. I mean, 500 is about right.
[QUOTE=XXL;3007968]
I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant.[/QUOTE]Actually also had the OP and his LT question in mind when answering, not you, sorry for not being clear.
[QUOTE=Downandup;3007970]The site is on a blitz to remove any indications of p4 p. Girls are getting repeatedly banned[/QUOTE]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?
Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?
Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".[/QUOTE]I got a paid subsciption this month and used it for about a week so far.
In Pattaya, basically all of them are freelancers.
Outside of Thailand it's a bit mixed.
I didn't say anything about p4 p on my profile and that was fine. But in terms of texting, talking about all sorts of things, negotiating. I have not had any trouble.
(YAY, 400 posts)
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007935]What you are talking about doing is the rookie mistake. Who would go up to the owner of a car or house and just make an offer without knowing how much they were looking to get? You walk up offering them 2000 baht off the bat when they may have been willing to take 1000 baht if you had bothered to ask. In 90% of the cases dealing with you, it is their lucky day. You do all the shooting high for them.[/QUOTE]My offer usually starts out at 1 K-1.5 K Baht. A lot of girls will start of at 2 K-3 K if you ask them but on Beach Road most of them start at 1 K for ST. On TF the rates are similar to the Beach Road offers and most pics are heavily filtered. I'm cool with negotiating and it usually works in my favor.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3007960]I completely disagree with your negotiating strategy. I always ask: [I]How much?[/I].
Off of Thai Friendly I have NEVER paid more than 2000 K. The lowest I have ever paid is 500 THB for Short Time. She was an outlier. It has only happened one. I have also gotten Short Time for 800 THB. If a girl asks for more than her market rate then I simply ignore her. I don't negotiate with a girl that has [I]golden pussy syndrome[/I]. This is low season so if a girl off of [U]Thai Friendly[/u] asks me for 2000, I will counter with 1500 and 90% of them take it.[/QUOTE][B]The problem is that most do not understand how the pussy market works.[/B]
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3008025]My offer usually starts out at 1 K-1.5 K Baht. A lot of girls will start off at 2 K-3 K if you ask them but on Beach Road most of them start at 1 K for ST. On TF the rates are similar to the Beach Road offers and most pics are heavily filtered. I'm cool with negotiating and it usually works in my favor.[/QUOTE]Not my experience. I have not found the photos of the girls I deal with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] to be heavily filtered. On [B]Beach Road[/B] I've spoke with many girls working there. They have asked me 1000 - 2000 THB for Short Time.
Worried about bait and switch. Easy problem to avoid:
1. Video Call.
2. Meet in public place close to you room before.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer. You're focused only on the price per bucks, [b]like the subcmdr motherfuck[/b] so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.[/QUOTE]It appears from many posts in this thread not everyone agrees with you. Some of us are interested in value for our money and not just throwing it away. I've stated before I will not hesitate to spend 4000 THB on dinner out with my ATF. Drinks on a rooftop bar overlooking the ocean: 2000 THB. 3000 - 4500 THB for dinner just for myself in a Michelin Stared restaurant (because I deserve it).
[B]Give a prostitute 3000 - 4000 Short Time for her to give me access to her mouth, pussy and ass? No thank you![/B]
[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once [b](except subcmdr it seems)[/b].[/QUOTE]No problem at all for me here in Pattaya. It is low season so your complains fall on deaf ears. Girls are clamoring for customers.
It is a known fact that most individuals agree that Bangkok not only has less tourists, it has prettier girls. Of course they are more expensive. As someone who goes to Jakarta as opposed to Bali to hire prostitutes also I am surprised that you don't understand that.
I've never been critical of what anyone wants to pay for pussy or how they spend their money.
[B]If you want to spend 2x - 5x times the amount of money to get your nut[/B], I have not problem with that. If you like it then I love it.
[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]
What I have read the consensus is that the most attractive girls are in the Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street. I've never read that anyone says the most attractive girls are on [B]Soi 6[/B].
[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer.
You're focused only on the price per bucks, like the subcmdr motherfuck so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.
You've got to understand that some girls are popular and are racking up loads of dudes queing to get their hands on these kind of chicks.
If you pay attention to the attractiveness of the chicks, eventually you'll have no other choice than giving her an interresting enough offer for her, because these kind of girls have become kind of scarce in Pattaya.
If that chick is queing guys willing to give her 3 or 4 K for ST, why the fuck would she want to accept your lowball 1,5 K offer?
The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once (except subcmdr it seems).[/QUOTE]The problem with you know who and the other guy is they aren't able to distinguish between Ugly and Pretty.
Beauty is in the eye of beholder is Khrap. None of SUBs girl s are being hired to do Toothpaste commercial s.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?[/QUOTE]I think in Pattaya it's close to 99% and in Bangkok maybe 50-60% (just a wild guess), but in the rest of Thailand much less.
But yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe they got scared when that fiwfans site was closed.
At the same time there are still loads of profiles of girls with pictures that scream 'prostitute'. But as long as they don't add any text like 'ST' or 'FL' or 'freelancer' or 'not for free', this is apparently OK.
Although there are still girls that have these kind of texts, so I assume TF is randomly checking profiles.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997] Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".[/QUOTE]Do you think they will fall for that, LOL.