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[QUOTE=Turgid;2308345]I've seen videos of Thai LBs with rock hard 9 inches. If the LBs are toting that what are the normal Thai blokes hanging? The 3 inches may just be a myth or wishful thinking on some farangs' part.[/QUOTE]You always have outliers. Plenty of studies out there on pecker size. Last one I saw, Thais ranked pretty poorly. 2nd to last. I believe Koreans were last. Biggest average farangs were the French. Of course Africa was the largest. So no, it's not a myth.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308289]One of these girls may just be the prettiest hooker in Thailand, and probably the biggest ***** also.
She runs the crew, I asked for BBFS at a reasonable rate, and was banished, she would never speak to me or ever look at me again.
She turned the whole group against me.
Learning sign seems like one of the most desperate monger moves, I could imagine, not for these girls at least.
I would say move on to lower hanging fruit, but this isn't even fruit.
They are using their deafness to hustle naive mongers.[/QUOTE]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.
I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.
On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.
RL.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308289]One of these girls may just be the prettiest hooker in Thailand, and probably the biggest ***** also.
She runs the crew, I asked for BBFS at a reasonable rate, and was banished, she would never speak to me or ever look at me again.
She turned the whole group against me.
Learning sign seems like one of the most desperate monger moves, I could imagine, not for these girls at least.
I would say move on to lower hanging fruit, but this isn't even fruit.
They are using their deafness to hustle naive mongers.[/QUOTE]There is lately a second very pretty one who shows up every now and then. The prettiest one, possibly the one you are talking about and perhaps referenced by Syzygies a while back has gone missing for the past several weeks. Maybe she decided this work was not for her. Or she got a sponsor. I like to think the other girls pushed her out of the scene or at least off their turf because they actually did not appreciate her taking on the role of self-designated Protector and Decider in Chief for who is or isn't a worthy customer, causing good money for very little effort to walk away and never come back. LOL.
As I said, the newer pretty one does not show up very often. From the bars across Soi 4 from their station, I have seen guys stand there with her and the other girls, including the two I have taken, for as long as 10-15 minutes going back and forth typing out and reading negotiation messages from the girls. Most of the time they do not come to an agreement and the punter will give up and walk away. Or the girl will turn away looking very annoyed.
I'm talking about often cleancut, fit, 30-something year old guys. Sometimes the guys will know how to sign! Yet the negotiations will go on and on for a very long time and more often than not end in a stalemate. No deal.
I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl. Bareback anal? Threesome with her, him and an unknown sexually ambiguous hulk back in his room? LT for 500 baht? Sado-masochistic rituals?
Whatever it is it must be much dearer to each side than my relatively commonplace requirement of either boom boom no condom or a bareback blowjob with a decent CIM finish for the going rate or a nice uptick more than that.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308411]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.
I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.
On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.
RL.[/QUOTE]What was my offer? I can't say I remember exactly, that was several thousand hooker conversations ago LOL.
But I did want to session with her, so I was focused on getting an agreement of service 1st, I save price for last.
But I don't remember getting to price, I just vaguely remember her being one of those girls that instantly know what you want.
Oh you want "real" sex, you're fucking crazy!! Get away from me, stay away from him!
Regarding PMs, everyone of my longtime american girlfriends have agreed, not my words but theirs.
PMs does not exist, its bullshit, its a made-up excuse for a ***** to be a *****.
And not all of these girls were always the sweetest, but they liked to call bullshit on bullshit!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308412]There is lately a second very pretty one who shows up every now and then. The prettiest one, possibly the one you are talking about and perhaps referenced by Syzygies a while back has gone missing for the past several weeks. Maybe she decided this work was not for her. Or she got a sponsor. I like to think the other girls pushed her out of the scene or at least off their turf because they actually did not appreciate her taking on the role of self-designated Protector and Decider in Chief for who is or isn't a worthy customer, causing good money for very little effort to walk away and never come back. LOL.
As I said, the newer pretty one does not show up very often. From the bars across Soi 4 from their station, I have seen guys stand there with her and the other girls, including the two I have taken, for as long as 10-15 minutes going back and forth typing out and reading negotiation messages from the girls. Most of the time they do not come to an agreement and the punter will give up and walk away. Or the girl will turn away looking very annoyed.
I'm talking about often cleancut, fit, 30-something year old guys. Sometimes the guys will know how to sign! Yet the negotiations will go on and on for a very long time and more often than not end in a stalemate. No deal.
I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl. Bareback anal? Threesome with her, him and an unknown sexually ambiguous hulk back in his room? LT for 500 baht? Sado-masochistic rituals?
Whatever it is it must be much dearer to each side than my relatively commonplace requirement of either boom boom no condom or a bareback blowjob with a decent CIM finish for the going rate or a nice uptick more than that.[/QUOTE]I hate to pay her a compliment, but she was easily a 10, thin body no visible tattoos, 18 yo, very very pretty blondish hair / expensive cut, very nice clothes.
She would be a gem / a 10 in any country, certainly hotter than anything inside Nana or the rest of soi 4 or the Sukumvit area.
I refer to her kind as "money for nothing" girls, extremely low yield providers that know their target demographic very well, and know.
Just as well I as I do, I'm not it!
They have many girls like her standing outside Cebuana on fields in Angeles, while not as pretty as her.
They are as bitchy if not more so, similar story, "low yield providers" they know their target victims very well.
As soon as a guy like me comes along asks for a, B, or C.
They start yelling wtf, what do you think I am? A prostitute.
But they will take some guys for 2000/3000/4000.
I have been quoted those prices, don't expect much, but they are the prettiest girls in Angeles, why aren't they working in the bars LOL.
Because the bars require them to actually do what they agree to (just 3rd world street level con artists / albeit pretty ones).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2308401]You always have outliers. Plenty of studies out there on pecker size. Last one I saw, Thais ranked pretty poorly. 2nd to last. I believe Koreans were last. Biggest average farangs were the French. Of course Africa was the largest. So no, it's not a myth.[/QUOTE]Funny topic.
Do you want to see some big dicks (rhetorical) I think I do OK! I can even post a photo to back up my words with proof its me, we all have camera phones and internet connections.
But I digress, (full disclosure I'm German) but go to FKK and you will see some of the biggest dicks ever, dudes laying around on the lounge chairs, with shit hanging damn near their knees flaccid LOL.
I'm like wtf LOL I've seen plenty of dicks over the years, showers in school / work / health club / Russian saunas, I will say Germans, are over achieving in this area, sure the guys 12" long are sure to advertise more in the pool and aufguss etc.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308411]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.
I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.
On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.
RL.[/QUOTE]Like I posted I don't think we even discussed rate.
But I'm curious what would make you subscribe to a theory such as a rate to low to cause offense?
If in a price negotiation, are you suggesting I start high? Please elaborate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308412]I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl.[/QUOTE]Reminds me when there was a lot of Sukhumvit street vendors in Nana. There was a contingent of deaf vendors who were quite aggressive and steadfast with their price negotiations. They would use a calculator to identify their inflated asking price, and got indignant when you offered anywhere close to the market price.
I was with a deaf window lady a few times in Amsterdam. The memorable part for me was being able to talk a bunch of dirty smack while doing the deeds.
SL.
I posted this one on Trans thread, but thought should share the link here too.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites&p=2308850&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2308850.
[QUOTE=Gargano19;2308875]I posted this one on Trans thread, but thought should share the link here too.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites&p=2308850&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2308850.[/QUOTE]Obsessed? Get a life and read forum rules.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308437]I hate to pay her a compliment, but she was easily a 10, thin body no visible tattoos, 18 yo, very very pretty blondish hair / expensive cut, very nice clothes.
She would be a gem / a 10 in any country, certainly hotter than anything inside Nana or the rest of soi 4 or the Sukumvit area.
[/QUOTE]I already wrote that one night I saw an extremely pretty skinny deaf girl there, hot ass shape (not big but nice), and I could not leave it alone, but she shook her head no before we got to any type of negotiation as she was trying to push me onto her friend instead who was very second rate, in comparison for looks. Perhaps the pretty one did not want to take all of the business and was trying to share with her friends.
If we had reached a negotiation it is unlikely I would have refused her, she was just so good looking.
I would certainly try again if she returns some evening. Unfortunately I am not there very often. I have other possible girl on the Soi too, who also is not easy to find always. I hate going there and coming up empty handed but I don't want to take any old girl there, either.
I am surprised that many guys fail with negotiations too. I don't know if the reason is the amount the guy wants to pay, or the girl does not kiss, or does not accept Daty, or what is the problem. however I did have a poor success rate in terms of girls willing to make it fun. Many seemed to be looking for 30 min quickie which is not my style at all. I am willing to pay more for a better experience.
One girl there complained to me that I wanted too long for the session, despite paying her well above the going rate. Ha ha. So I dropped her. Her body wasn't in top condition anyway. If she was as pretty as the deaf girl, I would still be doing her all the time, despite her complaints. For me, a stunner that can make a good time, is worth more money.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308443]Like I posted I don't think we even discussed rate.
But I'm curious what would make you subscribe to a theory such as a rate to low to cause offense?
If in a price negotiation, are you suggesting I start high? Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]The only thing I can think of that would get an FL as upset as you say, is a very low starting offer. Unless you offended her in another way. That is way I backed up my assumption with the PMS stick. That supports you in a maybe you didn't deserve the rudeness that she shot back at you.
I would never suggest starting at higher offer unless you were joking and didn't want her anyway.
RL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2308931]I already wrote that one night I saw an extremely pretty skinny deaf girl there, hot ass shape (not big but nice), and I could not leave it alone, but she shook her head no before we got to any type of negotiation as she was trying to push me onto her friend instead who was very second rate, in comparison for looks. Perhaps the pretty one did not want to take all of the business and was trying to share with her friends.
If we had reached a negotiation it is unlikely I would have refused her, she was just so good looking.
I would certainly try again if she returns some evening. Unfortunately I am not there very often. I have other possible girl on the Soi too, who also is not easy to find always. I hate going there and coming up empty handed but I don't want to take any old girl there, either..[/QUOTE]She was one of the prettiest hookers I've ever seen, if not thee prettiest (I've seen 1000's).
Perfect in every physical way.
Very white skin, blonde hair, amazing body (expensive haircut, flawlessly dressed).
Everything but a personality, I don't like to ever ever pay sticker price but I'm sure I would have.
If she would agreed to my basics, BBFS, good BJ!
I can't remember what happened, but I'm guessing she flipped out as soon as I mentioned BBFS.
I would not want her for any price with a condom, I rather hit pornhub for free like someone posted the other day.
My hand feels better than a condom.
And its free!
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308940]The only thing I can think of that would get an FL as upset as you say, is a very low starting offer. Unless you offended her in another way. That is way I backed up my assumption with the PMS stick. That supports you in a maybe you didn't deserve the rudeness that she shot back at you.
I would never suggest starting at higher offer unless you were joking and didn't want her anyway.
RL.[/QUOTE]Oh, I can assure you that we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it and for any amount of money in Thailand WILL on occasion get every kind of outrage, upset, shocked, explosive reaction imaginable to the propsition. And it does not matter how descretely, calmly, respectfully and politely you ask for or request it.
Not every time or most of the time. But it does happen on occasion. It is a normal hazard of the game. And, as a "game", I believe requiring an upfront agreement for bareback, real sex in Thailand is so far away from the kind of game most other punters are playing it must be recognized as being on a different playing field with different rules and an entirely.different scoring system.
I am talking about getting the agreement for it upfront and with at least above average looking girls. That is not to be confused with getting BBFS as a nice surprise in the room while "going with the flow" or getting an upfront agreement for it with obviously desperate and needy souls who can not afford to say no to anyone for almost anything.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309004]Oh, I can assure you that we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it and for any amount of money in Thailand WILL on occasion get every kind of outrage, upset, shocked, explosive reaction imaginable to the propsition. And it does not matter how descretely, calmly, respectfully and politely you ask for or request it.
Not every time or most of the time. But it does happen on occasion. It is a normal hazard of the game. And, as a "game", I believe requiring an upfront agreement for bareback, real sex in Thailand is so far away from the kind of game most other punters are playing it must be recognized as being on a different playing field with different rules and an entirely.different scoring system.
I am talking about getting the agreement for it upfront and with at least above average looking girls. That is not to be confused with getting BBFS as a nice surprise in the room while "going with the flow" or getting an upfront agreement for it with obviously desperate and needy souls who can not afford to say no to anyone for almost anything.[/QUOTE]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.