Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2309050]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

... [/QUOTE]I agree with this. The dramatic response is more likely about promoting a cushier deal for them and intimidating customers who dare ask for something more or better for the money. If they were really worried about their health they wouldn't engage in a whole host of other activities more likely to cause more severe and lasting problems or get a nice safe job back in their province requiring longer hours for less money.

[QUOTE=Catire;2309113]In my own limited experience, I either get the nod, smile and OK (that has happened a bunch of times with bargirls and once with a Thermae girl (true freelancer, have never seen her there since only comes on an an occasional weekend) or will get ""cannot", but I've never encountered true outrage (perhaps sample size is too small, I defer to Mr. Tooms for sure) (several "regular" Thermae girls definitely wrinkled their noses in a definitive "no" to that inquiry). (strange, I can't remember the last time I got the "how much you pay me" line)

I don't even encounter outrage when I inquire about the back door, but that's when the ladyboy jokes / comments often do occur.[/QUOTE]In my case, it will depend on how much of an investment has been made on both sides. If I have been sitting with a girl in a go-go bar or beer bar, engaged in the usual chit-chat, joked with her, her with me and, especially, if I have bought her a LadyDrink or two before telling her what it would take for me to barfine her, she is not likely to act out a very dramatic response to say "no". She has already made some money "for nothing" from me with the LadyDrinks, gotten closer to reaching her LD quota for the month and so on. She might assume I'll be good for another LD or two next time around even if her answer then is still "no" (she is banking on the chance that I might think she will change her mind the next time. And she might) if she behaves politely about it now.

But in the cases where a girl who would certainly qualify for a romp has just plopped down in my lap and immediately says stuff like, "Take me with you" or "Barfine me", where a girl sitting outside a Massage Shop or a FL on the street (or in Thermae) reaches out to hook your arm and goes through the "I do everything for you" bit in order to supposedly convince you to pay her for sex, the first thing that ought to cross your mind is she is a stone cold bullshitter. LOL. The second thing that crosses my mind is, what the hell, I have not invested anything in this so far, she is cute or good looking enough to fuck, here is what it will take for me to say Yes to you now without further muss and fuss, honey.

That is when the bullshitter girl might put on just as big a show about the horrible, terrible, impossible to get with any Thai girl sex act from Satan you just requested as she did to convince you she was eager to "do everything" for you 20 seconds earlier. LOL. Or she might say Yes just as fast and we're off to the races back to my room. But with such a potential bullshitter, I will probably stress the meaning of the word "if" to make sure she understands there will not be this agreed upon payment unless she actually does what she says she will do right now.

Was in the area and planned on taking a side trip to Cambodia. I read a visa was needed so diverted to BKK instead.

L. O. L. I. T. a. S: always stop here when I'm in town. Picked a girl named Maw. This girl is a true craftsman at her chosen trade. She starts with giving the boys some attention. Deepthroat and moans as it grows in her mouth. One point she puts my hand on the back of her hand. Moans like crazy as I force her head down. Reminds me of the movie where the ladies clit was in the back of her throat. She couldn't cum unless she was deepthroat. BBBJCIM. Saw her 3 of my 4 days in BKK. Paid 800 on my way out. On 3rd visit I learn this place has been in business 20 years. They are open 9 am - 1 am. The greatest number of girls you will see there is at 5 pm - 6 pm, when the night crew arrives and before the day crew leaves. Maw tells me she's been there 4 years. Assuming she started at the legal age that puts her about 22 now. Looks younger to me.

Hillary 2: lady literally 69 years old (she told me her age) working in the bar trying to get a bar fine. Ummm, no. Any of you with a GILF fantasy this is the place for you. The girls was asking 2 k plus 500 baht bar fine. Beer 95 be lady drinks 170 be.

Beer garden: good hangout spot. Saw a bad ass 22 year old that wanted to go with me. I'd just finished so I didn't take her. Bought her a drink tho and she gave me the info. She said there is no bar fine and most of the girls there are going to want 2500 baht. Lady drinks cost the same as guy drinks. Good to watch the game or whatever. I went about 4 pm and it was 15-20 girls there.

Stumble inn: I didn't like the music and didn't stay long. 140 baht beer. 160 be lady drinks. 600 bar fine. The girl was asking 2 k.

SW: all over the place. The going rate is 1 k. A few asked for 1500. I say no and start to walk, they quickly switch to 1 k.

Sidewalk bars: later in the evening until the sunrise, there are little "bars" set up on the sidewalk on Sukhumvit. By bar I mean, a cooler with beers and drink mixers, plastic table / chairs and Pandora and a speaker. Walk down the street and almost all of the "bars" are going to have a girl or two trying to get you to stop and by from them. Of course, the girls are willing to go with you if you want. 100 be for the drink and 1 k for the girl. These spots work out good if the clubs close and you're not yet ready to call it a night.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]It seems to me that Asian and Western P4P styles are almost incompatible.[/QUOTE]And have been since the beginning of this scene. Back in the mid to late 90's I saw the occasional group of Japanese business men in The Go-Go's. I can't recall seeing many Asians at all at Thermae, however I did not go there many times, maybe 4 visits at the most. I can't recall any Mongers from India or Korea during that time either. Yep it surely is tailored towards more of an Asian market these days. As for your comments regarding those fun loving, aggressive little brown sex machines?

IMO sugar and Thaksin Shinawatra changed all that. IE: The girls got fatter and richer and somewhere during that period it appeared The Land of Smiles started to frown to Farangs. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]I've been in the last month. I like to pop in every now and then to say Hi to the waitstaff. Still dominated by Asians. We're the minority by far. Truthfully I find the current Thermae annoying and depressing, although it is amusing to see the dudes walking in circles. It fills me with nostalgia for when the place was a full on party every night. Gals were drinking, dancing, grabbing guys peckers, being forward, the way we western dudes like them. Now it's like a bad middle school dance. Unfortunately the culture of the place changed to suit Asian customer's tastes. Fine, they are the majority, but it doesn't work for me. In fact, I'll go this a bit farther. It seems to me that Asian and Western P4P styles are almost incompatible. What they want in a venue and from a gal is very different than what we want. Most of my group of friends want a gal who is sexually forward and aggressive. One who will approach you in a bar, grab you, tell you how much she wants your pecker, and how much she likes sex. One that is playing with you in the taxi on the way to the hotel and one that can't wait to get your pants around you ankles and your unit in their mouth as soon as the door closes. Thermae was full of these gals 20 years ago. I'd say at least 25% of the time we didn't make it to the shower till after the deed was done. But as Syz pointed out in reference to size, the gals were used to farangs as they were the main customers. With the influx of Asian guys, who I believe are turned off by that kind of behavior, the atmosphere has changed. I can't say I have ever seen a gal grab an Asian guys package and act forward with him. It's all the demure kind of shy girl next door act, which does zero for me, in fact will just kill my drive.

It's been years since I've taken a gal out of there. Shame as back in the early 00's I'd sometimes take 3 a week. At those prices you really didn't get as hung up on performance, although 90% of the time it was really good, as it was never more than 25 usd, many times 12.50.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% with this post. I think the culture and taste between Western and Asian men are so different that bars will split and develop to cater for either groups. I would not dream of setting my foot in Thermae. I see Youtube videos and I actually shrug from what I see. What is the fun in doing this parole with girls that just stand there like dolls? I have a very good Chinese business friend and he actually like the girl to be more forward, playful etc. So I have a feeling this attitude is mostly directed to Koreans and Japanese. Am I right? We see the same developments in bars like Rainbow 4; no interactions from the girls and the bar has mainly Asian customers. Baccara is another example of course. As Western naughty boys visiting numbers is declining, it is the opposite with Asian men. So I think we all know were this is heading. By all means; they should have the privilege of this market adjustment. It is just not for me. The Japanese "schoolgirl" fetish is just disgusting and childish IMO and I ask myself how the "doll" demure of Korean style can actually be fun? I am not racist in any way, but I am just concerned about how things develop in Bangkok these days.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309304]
That is when the bullshitter girl might put on just as big a show about the horrible, terrible, impossible to get with any Thai girl sex act from Satan you just requested as she did to convince you she was eager to "do everything" for you 20 seconds earlier. LOL. Or she might say Yes just as fast and we're off to the races back to my room. But with such a potential bullshitter, I will probably stress the meaning of the word "if" to make sure she understands there will not be this agreed upon payment unless she actually does what she says she will do right now.[/QUOTE]I never believe a Thai girl when she says "everything" (as many of them do). The next simple trick is to ask about ass and the 'everything' immediately disappears, leaving you to chuckle and joke to the girl about everything not being everything. Just a sales pitch, nothing more and essentially meaningless.

Oh and agree 100% vis a vis culture and how it affected Thermae and how current setup can be very annoying and useless to most farang. (yes, it does feel like middle school dance!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]Most of my group of friends want a gal who is sexually forward and aggressive. One who will approach you in a bar, grab you, tell you how much she wants your pecker, and how much she likes sex. One that is playing with you in the taxi on the way to the hotel and one that can't wait to get your pants around you ankles and your unit in their mouth as soon as the door closes. Thermae was full of these gals 20 years ago. I'd say at least 25% of the time we didn't make it to the shower till after the deed was done.[/QUOTE]Quoting US dollars is a bit misleading because of the Thai Baht being very low at some stages in the past.

I am not sure that the Thermae was quite so raunchy in my times there which were early 90's, starting at the old Thermae location near to Miami Hotel. Probably I was not looking for really aggressive girls, more so pretty and passionate girls, with nice bodies, and sweet girls, but I did find them, and short times did not seem to exist in those days, the girls were always for the whole night, so never any rush rush. Mostly they could not speak English in those times or very little, so I was learning Thai from them. I recall mostly being disappointed to lose track of my early Thermae girls (like if I left Thailand or they left Bangkok), they were just that good, that I wanted to keep repeating. Kid in a candy shop.

In those days many Thermae girls were all natural, no surgeries, they were generally poor girls, could not afford surgeries, and usually had daytime normal jobs, like in clothing shops, Hotel cleaners, checkout chicks, waiting staff, etc. I rarely seemed to get the ones who moved from the bar to Thermae (due to no customer). Thermae got moving though when the other bars had reached closing time.

Went to Kiss Bangkok which is near the hotel Marriott. Its in a small lane where other massage parlours are also there, most of them are run by the same owner. Girls were not that great in the line up. I demanded for the girl shown on their website. She was not available. Was told to wait for her. She came in after 30 minutes. Though she looked 20 years older than that pic. Had shower with her which was in a small cubicle and she gave a good B2B massage. Then asked if I want BJ or HJ. I opted for HJ. Cummed in 10 minutes and she again gave a shower where we played with each other. Overall good experience.

Damages: 1000 bhat at counter as it was in offer.

No tips given to girl.

I know Soi 33 is somewhat dead these days, but still. What is the best bar in Soi 33 right now if you want to have a relaxing drink with some girl company?

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2309363]Agree 100% with this post. I think the culture and taste between Western and Asian men are so different that bars will split and develop to cater for either groups. I would not dream of setting my foot in Thermae. I see Youtube videos and I actually shrug from what I see. What is the fun in doing this parole with girls that just stand there like dolls? I have a very good Chinese business friend and he actually like the girl to be more forward, playful etc. So I have a feeling this attitude is mostly directed to Koreans and Japanese. Am I right? We see the same developments in bars like Rainbow 4; no interactions from the girls and the bar has mainly Asian customers. Baccara is another example of course. As Western naughty boys visiting numbers is declining, it is the opposite with Asian men. So I think we all know were this is heading. By all means; they should have the privilege of this market adjustment. It is just not for me. The Japanese "schoolgirl" fetish is just disgusting and childish IMO and I ask myself how the "doll" demure of Korean style can actually be fun? I am not racist in any way, but I am just concerned about how things develop in Bangkok these days.[/QUOTE]Cost is one thing. You expect prices to rise over time (albeit not to the ridiculous level we see now. FFS a dude on here was talking about paying 7 k for a couple of and jobs), but that being said the most disturbing aspect is the lack of fun associated with the scene in general. GoGos, Thermae, Discos, etc, the P4 P scene in BKK was one huge party 20 years ago. Now, it's just boring. Also other aspects of nightlife were far better as well.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2309353] IMO sugar and Thaksin Shinawatra changed all that. IE: The girls got fatter and richer and somewhere during that period it appeared The Land of Smiles started to frown to Farangs. YMMV.[/QUOTE]The diet here certainly has changed. Thais are way fatter than they were 10 years ago. Fast food, 7-11, and yes, sugar. Diabetes rates are soaring as well. 5 to 10 kg extra on a Thai girl looks a lot worse than it does on a bigger western gal. In addition very few exercise regularly. I think there is still a stigma on girls who are fit. They think they look like ladyboys. Many of the gals who are thin here are what I call skinny fat. Thin yes, but zero muscle tone. I'm not a fan.

The first social order crackdown came under Thaksin. Purachai, the interior minister directed it. Started having [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] tests in bars, enforcing early closings, etc. Things loosened up a bit after 06's into the early 10's, but the crackdown was back in full force in '14. Bangkok used to ba a 24/7/365 town. People hanging out at street stalls all over the city drinking, eating, socializing, and having a good time after work. Areas like Thonglor were packed every night. There was a vibrant music scene as well. Early closings, high alcohol prices, copious road blocks, and an increasing cost of living combined with salaries that are not increasing at the same rate created a perfect storm to quash nightlife in my opinion. You just don't see locals out as much as you used to. Shame as it was a really rollicking place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2309371]Quoting US dollars is a bit misleading because of the Thai Baht being very low at some stages in the past.

I am not sure that the Thermae was quite so raunchy in my times there which were early 90's, starting at the old Thermae location near to Miami Hotel. Probably I was not looking for really aggressive girls, more so pretty and passionate girls, with nice bodies, and sweet girls, but I did find them, and short times did not seem to exist in those days, the girls were always for the whole night, so never any rush rush. Mostly they could not speak English in those times or very little, so I was learning Thai from them. I recall mostly being disappointed to lose track of my early Thermae girls (like if I left Thailand or they left Bangkok), they were just that good, that I wanted to keep repeating. Kid in a candy shop.

In those days many Thermae girls were all natural, no surgeries, they were generally poor girls, could not afford surgeries, and usually had daytime normal jobs, like in clothing shops, Hotel cleaners, checkout chicks, waiting staff, etc. I rarely seemed to get the ones who moved from the bar to Thermae (due to no customer). Thermae got moving though when the other bars had reached closing time.[/QUOTE]Yes, a lot of semi-pros at that time. Gals needing to supplement their income. And by 230-3 am the place was just hopping with GoGo gals who did not get a customer, gals from the discos. It was an amazing scene. Believe it closed at 6 am. I remember heading to the airport and seeing people stumble out of there as the sun was coming up. Great times!

When I first moved here in '99 closing time at the GoGos was 2 am and it was a glorious event every night. Stand at the entrance to Nana or in the middle of Cowboy and you would literally be stampeded by gals coming out of the GoGos, grabbing you and saying "Go with you. Go with you. " It was just amazing. Every gal that did not get a LT was on the hunt. Boy how times have changed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309657]When I first moved here in '99 closing time at the GoGos was 2 am and it was a glorious event every night. Stand at the entrance to Nana or in the middle of Cowboy and you would literally be stampeded by gals coming out of the GoGos, grabbing you and saying "Go with you. Go with you. " It was just amazing. Every gal that did not get a LT was on the hunt. Boy how times have changed.[/QUOTE]Is it really different now? I can walk by my regular gogo bars at closing and girls will try to pull me to their Thai discos and bars or usually to go eat and fun after. If girls don't see you they will Line you to go out.

If guys want to skip the barfine just hang around until the bar is closed. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will definitely approach you to go LT.

Once I was outside one of my LK Metro gogo bars after closing. Some new security guy who worked at the bar still wanted me to pay a barfine after he saw I was taking one of the girls home with me. The girls all laughed at him and told him that I was this girl's real life boyfriend and he quickly backed off. The nerve for him to think he could still charge me a barfine even AFTER the gogo bar had closed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309668]Is it really different now? I can walk by my regular gogo bars at closing and girls will try to pull me to their Thai discos and bars or usually to go eat and fun after. If girls don't see you they will Line you to go out.

If guys want to skip the barfine just hang around until the bar is closed. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will definitely approach you to go LT.

Once I was outside one of my LK Metro gogo bars after closing. Some new security guy who worked at the bar still wanted me to pay a barfine after he saw I was taking one of the girls home with me. The girls all laughed at him and told him that I was this girl's real life boyfriend and he quickly backed off. The nerve for him to think he could still charge me a barfine even AFTER the gogo bar had closed.[/QUOTE]It's completely different. If you stand outside GoGos at closing time you will get absolutely no attention. I'm not talking about a gal you bought drinks for. I'm talking about an exodus of hundreds of gals, most of whom you have never interacted with all desperate to get a customer. It really had nothing to do with escaping a barfine. It was the sheer volume of gals looking to make a buck. To be fair, this changed quite a long time ago. By 06 this behavior was already on the outs.
I'd even say Pattaya is different. When I used to be a regular in the 00s, a stroll down walking street after 2 am saw hundreds of gals exhibiting the same behavior. They were actively and aggressively approaching guys, which is exactly in our favor. Now, it seems to be the guys approaching gals. That's bassackwards.