Great post stating the obvious
[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.
I was primarily surprised at how the traditionally Bangkokian conceited attitude from overpriced working girls had sauntered its way south to Pattaya. Not going with hansum man, prior only rarely experienced in the more "upscale" gogos, had become a common occurrence, also infecting the bar lasses and coconut courtesans to lesser degrees, respectively. "Coyotes", "sick pussy" (STD? Bleeding? "only drink" from some, with a younger gentleman's club lady begrudgingly agreeing to a 600 THB BBBJ (+400 for the house). Windmill, Chick, Shark, Champagne (major WTF! Bliss, Sapphire. No matter the prestige or target market, all ladies were basically 4000/7000 THB + 2500 for the house, even as late as 03:15.
Prior trips I had always been able to regularly pull the hottest girls for maximum 1000/2000 + 500-1000 for the house. Any gogo was negotiable before, both barfine and lady rate. Most ever prior trips was 1000 + 2000 LT from Shooters in 2018 (back then they had serious talent) and most recent (right before COVID) and memorable was Pandoras for 400 + 1000 for a jaw dropping schoolgirl.
These are the dreams men live for and what makes a country top class.
I soon soured on the current gogo scene. During Songkran the girls' attitude in general was shit. Not as many to choose from and girls everywhere, except a few token spots, asking way too much. The most egregious was a cute 20 year old non-tattooed girl at Namthip bar asking 4000 THB + 1500 for the house to leave at 02:45 off deep in Soi Bukhao. We had bumped into each other on the street, and I was thankful to finally see an attractive natural young woman during Songkran that was available for a fine. We chatted for a while over a drink via translator. After I offered her 1000 THB for a quick shag, the next question she asked me was, "Do you like children?
I asked her to clarify. She pointed to her much older and fatter sisters. Had the feminist bullshit infected my beloved Thai women? This trip was turning out the worst trip out of roughly two dozen. Before parting ways as she refused to budge from 4000, turning down my very generous 2000 THB offer, I made sure she saw the fat stack of 1000's in my wallet as I was paying. She noticeably perked up, but quickly downplayed her gut reaction with that increasingly-common haughty, "I've got plenty of sponsors" attitude as she scurried off to the back to change clothes to go home. Exchanging LINEs, which worked in the past to soften them up over time, could not crack her mercenary attitude. "4000!" she would only respond.
Old reliable Soi Honey delivered a very decent 20 year old 30 minutes later for 1000 THB + 200 for the house. Wow, the massage partitions had markedly improved! No more cardboard walls and soiled sheets. This was by far the best change to the scene since COVID. I would return several times for BBBJs, a few more CFS, with one nerdy skinny young girl with big fake tits demanding CBJ, which I always oblige but do not prefer.
When not having to work hard during the "day" back home, I would stroll Beach Road to get some cardio and look for diamonds. Some of my best lays and terrifying situations were from the coconut bar. This trip thankfully there were no dangerous experiences, but reflecting the broader economy, the talent was significantly down along with the display of girls, often shying or cowering from the rambunctious stroll of the GoPro / cell phone vortexes of bad vibes calling themselves "vloggers"influencers". These guys need the Mexico / Colombia treatment. Luckily I found a few decent women in their 30's, of whom I would finally visit their preferred short time hotels out of curiosity. The prices for the room with a fan was 200 THB + 1000 for the lady for BBBJ + CFS.
Sometimes with a light massage first. These beds reminded me of the old Soi 6 rooms. Miraculously never got sick, likely due to historical dues.
The second biggest surprise were the amount of fat piggies. Oink. Oink. Had I landed in Angeles City? Looking back at all the old photos confirmed it wasn't less-liver-strained beer goggles of years past inciting the lust a traditional Thai woman invokes. These girls had a lot of time and extra money to sit around and pound rice. If you're into "thick" women you'll be in hog heaven. Do the, formerly "normal", skinny Thai women know they are in smaller supply?
The third surprise were the rates for CFS. I never paid more than 1500 THB this trip, with the mean around 1100 THB to the girl. Most attractive women (all prior trips paying 500 - 1000 THB) wanted 2000-3000 for a short time which is frankly not worth it. Luckily I am not as hungry as I was in my 20's and can go days without busting if needed. The best finds of the trip included a girl at "LOL Lita" bar in Soi Made in Thailand, a brand new lighter skinned, non-tattoed 8/10 who had just turned 20 according to her ID. We played a couple games of pool while having a few drinks, which cost 180 THB for her. Barfines were 800 THB. We negotiated for a while and settled on 1000 THB for CFS or 1500 THB for CFS + BBBJ, an action she was refused to provide during negotiations. Later in the room she would give me a BBBJ before I slowly fucked her very tight pussy in a few positions before busting a huge load. I would leave her with 1000 THB while she gave me a naughty smile saying "Why you not give more?" before lunging for a kiss on the cheek after exchanging LINEs and going to her taxi.
The next best find was on Soi 6 at LUST. A solid 8/10 20 year old nurse on her first week. Huge natural DDs that were as perky as any. Sweet girl with a brain; no tattoos. Settled on 1200 THB + 400 for the house. The most novel event was being punched in the cock after refusing to buy a toy or cookie from someone who should not be out late on Soi 6. The second most novel: a girl offering two shots in a two hour session for 1500 THB on Soi 6. She followed through in earnest.
Most novel new place was a massage brothel right off Walking Street that had full service as low as 1000 THB for 15 minutes of service and attractive girls. I chose the 1500 THB 30 minute package but only needed 15 minutes as the girl was a sweet young girl from Chiang Mai with another very tight pussy. The place had a nice room with clean transparent shower in which the girl was not shy in lathering you up. Not sure what it's named but you can't miss it if you notice small print. I thought their time / tier pricing model was fair and reminded me of European establishments. This could catch on.
There seems to be a large group of bars on Soi 6 which are engaging in near extortion. Minimum drinks, livestreaming, outrageous short time rates, Asian customers only, etc. I think these belonged to a certain notorious wicked group but can't be sure. Easy to avoid after a few queries upfront.
The fourth surprise were the increasing age of the girls available. Thailand apparently has decided to supply gringos with the see-team talent and gringos happily pay multiples of what was asked just a few years ago from the be and A-team talent. What's up with this 20 year old age floor? I had turned away the entire army of women at Champagne, or what's left of it, due to them being so damn ugly and old, a bevy of heavily-tatted, blown-out banshees better fitted for the Nuevo Laredo donkey show, until Mama pulled a very nice girl who turned out to be 19 from the back. Had a drink and chat with her. When asking for the barfine she said 20 was the age limit for a barfine. When she got up to dance, she kept the pair of shorts over her gstring. Lame. What the hell was happening? Is this place America? Will we be able to look at attractive women in another 10 years without legal concern?
Men, we have lost our way. Another topic for another time.
The fifth surprise was, for the first time, I felt completely assured that as the man with the balls and the money, *I* was making the rules and calling the shots completely. It was a combination of rekindling from the successes found among the masses of bad deals, the much cheaper and / or better deals had elsewhere, the lack of desperation due to time and experience, and the resolve to strengthen the fraternity ascribed to all men, regardless of background, who visit Pattaya to experience the options only celebrities (now iffy) and attractive young homosexual men can experience back home. Good pussy is in massive oversupply in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. Good money is not, regardless of the front Thai women are increasingly relying on to their detriment.
The sixth surprise were all the new clubs on Walking Street. Wow India represents! Way too loud though. Never entered. Myst is an absolute mosh pit with bad attitudes and no attractive girls that ever wanted to fuck. Insomnia still has decent talent and good vibes. Got an early 30's natural gym girl to fuck for 1000 THB at 03:00 on a weekend. Everywhere else was mostly full of uninspiring girls or girls asking 2000+ for a short time.
The seventh surprise was ThaiFriendly actually working with hot girls. In years past I had used paid versions with nothing but catfish attempts. Always sent them packing with a few baht for taxi. This time every girl was as shown. One girl was coming after her shift at her massage shop. She was a cute 22 year old girl with natural perky the tits. Great English. We talked for about an hour while.
She cleaned my messy condo up. It was so erotic watching her clean and hold her drooping t-shirt with one hand to now show her cleavage in her bra while sweeping the floor and balcony. She was a sensitive, kind girl who had a hobby of adopting stray animals. We eventually consummated our agreement, 1000 THB, after about 90 minutes of cleaning every inch of the place (with me helping) with a standard session. Ended up giving her an extra 500 THB for the cleaning and light massage she gave. She would message many times asking to clean again. In typical Pattaya fashion, I would not meet a second time. Great gal.
I would regularly chat with girls asking 3000+ for ST, prices you could get for similar age / quality if you know where to look in Dubai, among other places. Any medium chosen this trip for good, fairly-priced pussy needed uncomfortably increased effort, a troubling trend.
Have online streaming / chatting services ruined Pattaya? Are foreign simps grossly overpaying for pussy (or worse, attention), no matter how hot and young? Was it the luck of the draw this trip? Are the cameras ruining the vibe? Do men care less for their fellow man?
Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.
Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]In 2018, I was paying about $50/ girl for amazing service in Colombia. The Pandemic changed everything! Many young men started traveling with their online work. Many cut girls starting making videos and selling them. Girls were leaving Colombia to work in Mexico, Europe, and places for better money. I lost many girls to these countries. Not only that, but the passport bros were coming and dumping money left and right. For them, spending $100-$150 on a girl is cheap while the experienced mongers know better.
2 years ago, I met a sexy ex puta. Initially I bough her content and she finally came for some action. She was very sexy, thin, tall, etc. Her story was that she saw men for a couple of years but during the pandemic, she had to stop because of the restrictions in place of contact so she did online contect selling. She found a boyfriend and him and her starting making videos and selling them online. They made enough money that she did not have to work.
During the pandemic, the US starting printing money and was handing it out like candy. Broke ass fooos were get large checks in the mail and some people were making more on unemployment than working. All of this pumped extra money to the pockets of passport bros. With the western girls tighting their pussies for the local guys and these girls were selling their shit online, the local young men became frustrated and decided to monger.
When I'm on the plane to medellin, I see so many younger men around the age of 25-35 there for a short time and they will drop some money to get some action.
There are more and more videos of people walking with cameras in areas of the working girls. Men in the west see this and they want a piece of it.
Now the going rate is around $100 and it's it's a simple supply and demand. The supply may have gone up a tiny bit and I think the super cut girls sell their content. The deman is very high because of the passport bros. So even the uglies or fatties or both think they are forth a lot of money.
But I think that girls selling content online is changing or at least the demand is. Initially there were few girls doing it then it went to hundreds, and now it's hundreds of thousands of girls. So the competition is fierce. Being super is not cutting it anymore and now the girls must do things that stand out from the rest. With invent of AI porn, these little bitches who sell their content will see a big reduction in their easy earnings.
Welcome to the new earth and I'm also in the same boat as you are my friend. Heading to pattaya in August.
Excellent report! Thank you
Thank you for a great update. Have not been looking at the Thailand forum for a bit and this report prepares me really well for a Jan / Feb trip.
Very unlikely that anything of the past is going to come back, so we have to make do the best we can with the cards dealt with.
Cheers / Pulse.
[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.
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Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.
Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]
