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[QUOTE=Forest; 1203474]I have only been to Makati City once, I had a few DIA girls. I also enjoyed the massage parlors (OK massages, great blow jobs) and the P4P scene when I wasn't with my DIA girl (although I did take a few hours off from her everyday for "meetings" to sample the massage parlors in the vicinity of the Shangri La Hotel).

Although I have an opinion of DIA, I am not speaking from a wealth of experience and I readily admit I must be wrong about category 2 girls. As I said, one of my girls was almost a cat 2, until the second day when she expected me to take her on a shopping spree for a new cell phone and a few other items.

If I understand Red Kilt above, one can never be certain about a DIA girl based on her profile. But I wonder, is it equally a waste of time to send messages back and forth and ask her if she is interested in spending the night with you, etc? Surely, if she says she is dying to spend the night with you, sex is inevitable (of course, this could be the sign that she is a pro).

So here is my question, RK: do you just invite the girls that strike you as pretty / sexy / good lays and assume that you will have to evaluate them in the field and leave it at that, or do you have any filters you use to try and avoid the duds?

And finally, what do you do about the girls that want to bring along Mom or their best friend or whmoever? For a guy like me, who may get 4 days in Manila this winter, I would like to maximize the GFEs from DIA (keeping in mind that great P4P is always around the corner, so I am not likely to be unhappy in the end).[/QUOTE]If you have just 4 days then its best to sound them out first. Just tell them that your plan is to meet them and you are expecting sex. The girls that agree to this will generally be semi pro but unless you are aiming at the older end of the market that's always going to be true unless you are one of those guys who wants to trick the girls into having sex on an unwritten assumption that you are looking for something long term or willing to buy her stuff. You may miss out on some peaches but you haven't got the time that someone based in Phils has to shift through the duds. So better tell them exactly what you have in mind and if they are not up for it don't bother with them move on to another.

Re partner coming along too. Sometimes this works OK if an aunty is just bringing the girl to you to mae sure you are not a monster or looking to score a jollybees. Sometimes you get lucky and a threesome with a sexy freind can be on the cards. If she wants to bring along a Lady Boy friend or cousin my policy is generally to say no as typiclly the LB just wants to intermediate as a pimp unless he can persuade you to give him a try too.

[QUOTE=SergeantRay; 1203620]1) Try to be smart. Be aware that girls will scam you for drinks and meals, and try to head them off at the pass. Set clear rules: just you, just you and one friend or family member, etc. The more that you have a policy or guidelines, the less likely you are to be taken.

For instance, my Dutch friend tells me "Don't ever buy a phone load for a girl you've never met. It never works." I took his advice and use it as a rule. If a girl is really interested in you, she can borrow a friend's phone. The more you operate by a policy, the less likely you are to give into lust.

2) Try to limit your expenses. Be aware of how much you're prepared to lose. Your policy should be that you are tight / cheap as hell with strangers, but generous in the extreme with lovers. Some guys waltz in blindly, thinking that throwing money around will pay off. They don't realize they are inviting themselves to be taken advantage of.

3) Follow your gut. I know this seems to conflict with number one, but if you start with your guidelines, you've got a set of rules to help protect you. I had one girl who I sensed was pushing too hard for dinner with friends, so I dropped her. Once I bought a load for a girl on a first date. I had my doubts, but I sensed she was into me, and it paid off.[/QUOTE]I had to get used to the idea that some girls don't mind spending a long time in a bus just to get a free meal but that is the reality here. It happens, so you need to take into account that this could be the main reason why a girl (with or without friends) wants to meet you.

The rules I use (without really giving it much thought) are:

1) Never give money to someone you never met, actually if a girl asks for money via chat I just stop with her.

2) Be in charge, I determine time and place of meeting, I think this is also helpful when it comes to your safety.

3) Have some back-up plan in case it doesn't work out, for now I do this by inviting a girl over who I met before and resulted in a good experience. After being in Manila for about 2 weeks now, I have a list of 4 girls I can call. If I move to another place I need to start all over with this but for me that is actually part of the fun.

Spending some money on a girl is not a problem to me, even if it doesn't result in good sex, but I limit this to some drink or a small snack now. I stopped with small gifts beforehand, in my opinion it doesn't really help.

BB

[QUOTE=Forest; 1203474]. SNIP. .

If I understand Red Kilt above, one can never be certain about a DIA girl based on her profile. But I wonder, is it equally a waste of time to send messages back and forth and ask her if she is interested in spending the night with you, etc? . .

So here is my question, RK: do you just invite the girls that strike you as pretty / sexy / good lays and assume that you will have to evaluate them in the field and leave it at that, or do you have any filters you use to try and avoid the duds?

And finally, what do you do about the girls that want to bring along Mom or their best friend or whmoever? For a guy like me, who may get 4 days in Manila this winter, I would like to maximize the GFEs from DIA (keeping in mind that great P4P is always around the corner, so I am not likely to be unhappy in the end).[/QUOTE]My comments are based on the premise that I live here and so I can take my time to check out and even cultivate some "friendships".

I can afford the time to meet, check out, evaluate, and either meet again or "discard".

The major problem for you Forest is that you have 4 days only, so you need to be very frank, upfront and direct, with no pussy-footing around.

FF, myself and others have posted on here several times about how if you cannot afford to waste time doing the culling and vetting then you must have a profile that is clear what you want and expect.

Let your profile do the culling and sorting but you need to be a little bit careful (and subtle) that the profile is not crude or offensive to the goody-goody two shoes brigade who will report you to the board and that may get your profile deleted.

A line I frequently use to good effect is that:

"I am a gentleman; I am a naughty gentleman but I am always a gentleman". They seems to like this one.

Do not be put off that girls will not respond to a direct profile that makes it clear you want fun only with no strings attached. Quite the contrary.

You will be surprised by the number and the apparent "quality" of the contacts you will make.

The irony is that filipinas really LIKE guys who are direct, frank and seem to have a no bullshit approach, even if it appears that you are just interested in sex only.

Strange but true.

I know someone once posted about a website that allows one to send free text messages (SMS) to the Philippines, but for the life of me I can't find it. I guess I need to do my searches before kissing the Bicardi bottle. A little help please... :o

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1203738]Let your profile do the culling and sorting but you need to be a little bit careful (and subtle) that the profile is not crude or offensive to the goody-goody two shoes brigade who will report you to the board and that may get your profile deleted.[/QUOTE]Not only that, the Ambassador of Fatness might use you as one of his statistics. LOL

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1203739]I know someone once posted about a website that allows one to send free text messages (SMS) to the Philippines, but for the life of me I can't find it. I guess I need to do my searches before kissing the Bicardi bottle. A little help please. :o[/QUOTE]I asked the original question and [url]www.chikka.com[/url] Was the solution. Thanks Marconista. You have to register and get a password but it works good. Limited to 120 characters per message.

Slim

Last I heard, the CS is doing Nobel laureate level research on Goldfish reproduction.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1203567]Yup, right there mate. Until proved otherwise, it is best to assume that they have the ' attention span' of an alzeimic goldfish! Unless money is the matter under discussion, of course.[/QUOTE]

I have been browsing chicken8 porn site recently which seems to focus on asian material, and was surprised to recognise a number of faces I met over time in person. Here is Jenny, a girl I met about 18 months ago in makati, she was a nice date, not the most exciting conversationalist but she compensated for it with nice bedroom skills. Didnt give me any crap and havent asked for a dime except I paid the bills when we go out. I lost contact with her about a year ago, supposedly she was going to Singapore to work as a "waitress". Today I discover her on a porn video, she's the busty one, no idea who the other 2 are:

[url]http://www.chicken8.com/video/14918/3-pinay-with-1-guy.html[/url]

Note to self: I've been here way too long.. when u recognise one familiar face per 3 porn videos, it's a sign of a mongering addiction gone too far!

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1203328]If that one friend is her mother, it is often not the deal-killer you think it would be. Typically, the girl likes the macho, unemployed, shabu-using young Filipino guy, while her mother is encouraging her to meet a mature, wealthy foreigner. The last meeting I had with a mom went well. We went to Jollibee's, mom got lunch (I insisted) , mom went back to work, and my girl and I went on our date.[/QUOTE]I agree, having mom as chaperone can surprisingly lead to good outcomes. Just be nice to the mom, and after half an hour you can suggest that she should leave the two of you to go to videoke or whatever. She'll usually agree and you are alone with your date.

The worst chaperone in my experience is a female collegemate of the girl of the same age. Also the most common! The girl will want to look decent in front of her friend and will refuse to go to hotel afterwards. Otherwise the friend will gossip about it next day in school. (hear this, Analyn went out with this old tourist last night, sent me home and stayed at night in his hotel, what a ****!)

My usual reply to "Can I bring my friend?" is "OK, but they pay their own bills" which usually instantly ends the whole thing. Yes, I am aware that some chaperoned dates work out well, and some even lead to 3somes, but these are exceptions, the rule is that chaperoned dates are a royal waste of time. Time is money, I am willing to let go of some unpromising leads to save time.

[quote]Another possibility would be to limit it to the girl and one friend. Try Starbucks, Bo's, or something like Zagu, where you can get a drink for something like 50 pesos.[/QUOTE]Zagu is horrible and avoid at all cost IMHO. Powdered milk mixed with day old mall water (if you are lucky) and ice shavings, with a dash of unknown flavoring and the occasional fake marshmellow.

Stick with Jollibee and McDo where you can buy a drink for around 25p and a whole meal for 100p. For the more upscale meetings Starbucks and Bo's are a better option, just double-check which Bo's or Starbucks you will meet as some malls have several of each.

This took place over about 2 months. I was at work and busy when she first showed up on ym. So yeah I was a bit rude.

Her (2011/05/30 14:50:41) : hey want to go private cam with me, LOL.

Me (2011/05/30 14:50:55) : hey want to not bother me?

Then two weeks or so ago I get this.

Her (2011/09/20 14:59:25) : Hi can you help me to removed my video?

Me (2011/09/20 15:00:51) : what?

Her (2011/09/20 15:01:18) : my gf post it*

Me (2011/09/20 15:01:23) : where?

Her (2011/09/20 15:01:41) : I had fight my gf and she post my vie online is just happen I download the vid on her loptop.

Her (2011/09/20 15:01:54) : search me on google and look my name xxxx yyyy.

Her (2011/09/20 15:05:24) : is just I ask you to help me to removed it from there.

Her (2011/09/20 15:05:29) : I ask some friends also.

Her (2011/09/20 15:05:40) : as of many complain possible got removed from there.

Me (2011/09/20 15:05:45) : what do I get in return?

Her (2011/09/20 15:06:07) : if you help is good for me if you ask something I cannot gve.

Me (2011/09/20 15:06:25) : Sorry don't understand.

Her (2011/09/20 15:06:50) : nothing to give you in return.

Me (2011/09/20 15:07:07) : so why would I help you?

Her (2011/09/20 15:07:19) : nevermind, thanks then.

Her (2011/09/20 15:08:41) : I ask you to help me to report that video on the website maybe email them or have the removal there.

And today:

Her (2011/10/07 16:43:56) : Hi my video is already deleted.

Me (2011/10/07 16:44:14) : don't know.

Her (2011/10/07 16:44:21) : I know.

Her (2011/10/07 16:44:24) : I check it.

Me (2011/10/07 16:44:33) : on how many sites?

Her (2011/10/07 16:44:46) : all site.

Her (2011/10/07 16:46:36) : who you think deletd it tho?

Me * (2011/10/07 16:46:50) : I don't know and to be honest don't care.

Her (2011/10/07 16:50:37) : Ok I wish you good luck.

Me (2011/10/07 16:50:50) : you too.

Me (2011/10/07 16:50:57) : don't make any more porn videos.

Me (2011/10/07 16:50:59) : LOL.

Her (2011/10/07 16:51:14) : Nope no more that is the last one.

Her (2011/10/07 16:56:31) : just wish me goodluck.

Me (2011/10/07 16:56:39) : what for?

Her (2011/10/07 16:56:54) : Maybe he is the one that I looking for*

Me (2011/10/07 16:57:03) : No idea.

Me (2011/10/07 16:57:17) : You pm me so I'm just responding.

Me (2011/10/07 16:57:21) : accordingly.

Her (2011/10/07 16:57:30) :?

Me (2011/10/07 16:57:49) : I don't care if you get a good one or not*nothing to do with me*couldn't give a shit*understand?

Her (2011/10/07 16:59:31) : Uh well I just ask you to wiash me lick*

Her (2011/10/07 16:59:38) : luck.

Me (2011/10/07 16:59:44) : why would I do that_.

Her (2011/10/07 16:59:52) : why not.

Me (2011/10/07 16:59:52) : we arent friends*why would I.

Her (2011/10/07 17:00:05) : I guess you have some problem.

Me (2011/10/07 17:00:17) : No I just don't know you.

Her (2011/10/07 17:00:58) : Ok bye I don't need this.

Her (2011/10/07 17:00:59) : hahaha.

Her (2011/10/07 17:01:07) : is crazy going to deleted you now.

Me (2011/10/07 17:01:15) : I don't know you.

Me (2011/10/07 17:01:19) : who cares.

Me (2011/10/07 17:01:27) : do it.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

So I am supposed to jump through hoops and help this girl who pestered me once and I removed from contacts to get a video she made with some guy if her sucking his dick (I saw part of it) and help her remove it from some sites. And also after she said it's removed wish her luck in something else.

And she didn't seem to grasp that I, as a stranger, did not care to start with. I continue to be amazed with Filippinas and their ways. LOL

[QUOTE=Hatguy;1204072]So I am supposed to jump through hoops and help this girl who pestered me once and I removed from contacts to get a video she made with some guy if her sucking his dick (I saw part of it) and help her remove it from some sites. And also after she said it's removed wish her luck in something else.[/QUOTE]I have a separate YM account that I only use for monkey business. Actually separate everything. A name, YM, email, facebook, phone number etc. For your mongering persona. Keep that crap separate from your work / friends. I would also be extremely annoyed getting pestered with bullshit during work hours.

I don't know Hatguy, I'm sure 90% of the forum members who have used DIA or one of the other dating sites have had those kind of conversations. However we don't need to try and make ourselves look superior by making fun of the girls. Even though they may speak English (more or less), their culture is extremely different from our Western one and their socio-economic situation is so dismal that IMHO who are we to judge them. A lot of guys on ISG seem to enjoy belittling the Filipinas for one reason or another. If a person has so little self esteem that he needs to go after some uneducated Pinay girl to make himself feel important, then I think that morally the girl comes out on top.

[QUOTE=David_33;1204094]I don't know Hatguy, I'm sure 90% of the forum members who have used DIA or one of the other dating sites have had those kind of conversations. However we don't need to try and make ourselves look superior by making fun of the girls. Even though they may speak English (more or less), their culture is extremely different from our Western one and their socio-economic situation is so dismal that IMHO who are we to judge them. A lot of guys on ISG seem to enjoy belittling the Filipinas for one reason or another. If a person has so little self esteem that he needs to go after some uneducated Pinay girl to make himself feel important, then I think that morally the girl comes out on top.[/QUOTE]Completely agree with this one, just enjoy the experience!

I am sure that the girls are as amazed by our behaviour as we sometimes are about theirs.

[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1203991]I have been browsing chicken8 porn site recently which seems to focus on asian material, and was surprised to recognise a number of faces I met over time in person. Here is Jenny, a girl I met about 18 months ago in makati, she was a nice date, not the most exciting conversationalist but she compensated for it with nice bedroom skills. Didn't give me any crap and haven't asked for a dime except I paid the bills when we go out. I lost contact with her about a year ago, supposedly she was going to Singapore to work as a "waitress". Today I discover her on a porn video, she's the busty one, no idea who the other 2 are:

[url]http://www.chicken8.com/video/14918/3-pinay-with-1-guy.html[/url]

Note to self: I've been here way too long. When you recognise one familiar face per 3 porn videos, it's a sign of a mongering addiction gone too far![/QUOTE]I thought this little piglet looked familiar so I went through some old pics from a couple years ago and voila. I was balls deep in all 3 holes within 20 minutes of her arrival. Service was okay with the only thing setting her apart from the rest of the little swines were those big titties. I did not call her back again because her face looked like a clenched fist.