How to have one of the worst possible sessions?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1124943]Where to start? <cut I asked for a 500thb 60mn Oil massage, then inquired "if stay more, same price?" because I noticed they had [email]90mn@600thb.[/email]The mamasan explained that if I take 500thb x 60mn, and I stay 90mn, I have to pay more 300thb (so a total of 800thb) <cut I flip over and she goes right to Johnson, grabbing and stroking until I was semi-hard. She asked: "You want Special?" to which I replied: "yes I want Body-to-Body and Blowjob"She smiled and said "1, 500"."no, it's 1, 000 I reminded her" and she went on with another Bright Theory as if her and Mamasan downstairs attended the same Mathematics and Logic course at some Issan College: "B2B for 1, 000 baht and Blowjob for 1, 000 baht so 2, 000 baht but me make good price for you 1, 500"I tell her again "but every massage shop lady do for 1, 000" and she does not budge "but I do good price 1, 500 for you" so I am not really in the mood for arguing. And I say "mai pen Rai".She sees she is losing the battle and counter-offers with "ok. 1,000 for Body 2 Body and I do Hanjob for you free" I am thinking, is this girl serious? Are her customers really that dumb? Where these tricks work? I lay down again and take my iphone, launch a game and do not pay any mind to JEEJEE. She now pouts and tells me: "I no get salary from massage, I have to pay shop", I look at her with eyes open as if saying "how is that my fault? I can't accept your Shit deal just because you don't get paid" but I say nothing. She Begrudgingly agree to a B2B+BJ for 1, 000.<cut Gave her 1, 000 and left the place. Mamasan was there but did not ask anything (of course, why should she give a fuck) In My opinion, Dream Massage should be Avoided at ALL COSTS. Bad service is one thing but trying to scam customers is an entirely different matter. Never ever been treated this way before (and I have had an awful lot of massages). [/QUOTE]Nic showed how to get off on the foot with girl with big arguments over the price, and lack of sympathy with the girls plight that the management rips them off.Firstly he claims that while 60 mins is 500 Baht and 90 mins is 600 Baht, so therefore he should be able to extend to 90 for no extra cost. Clearly 500 is not the same as 600 and clearly you would not even get the ability to extend for an additional 100. There needs to be incentive/discount to pay the extra upfront. If 60 mins is 500 baht, simple maths would indicate a fair extension of 30 mins should be 250 Baht. The 90 min price is hardly relevant. Nic is the sort of guy who just wants to have his cake and eat it too. Why not try to get the visit off to great start, instead of senseless arguments?He could have had just BJ for 1K but wanted B2B thrown in. The girl clearly could not be bothered by this point and her mood was killed already.In my experience, I agree to special (intending to pay 1500 minimum) and often don't need to discuss the price. I pay extra tip if the girl performed well and worked hard.Its worth knowing that ordinary sex is easier than extended BJ for some girls.If I was going to get BJ only, I would prefer to go with known top providers in case of poor BJ technique. Not all Girls are great at this! (very obvious) While its quite possible this girl usually performs badly, its also quite possible that she doesn't. Its hard to tell based on the really poor chemistry described.Everyone hits a bad session now and then by choosing the wrong girl, but looking for conflict just won't help your chances here in Thailand. Nic should know this by now.I have been really impolite when annoyed or angered by Thais on occasions, but I am usually embarassed by my bad reactions afterwards. Its better to be polite unless you are the boss who wants to be feared.Other Misc advice (not directed at Nic):Probably only a few places give reliably good B2B massage. Stick to those when looking for B2B. Those places will usually give good BJ too.Keep an extra very small phone and prepaid SIM to use for ringing to make bookings with known good providers. Just showing up looking for a girl is very unreliable.Don't expect that girls will want to give you HJ for 500 Baht. At many establishments, the girl makes no money from massage and must pay management for drinks, electricity, soap supplies etc. If she gets 500 and then pays the mgt., she will have earnt almost nothing for the work put in. Above all, do not go to these places for straight massage. There are other places for that.
Don't go to "special" MP if you don't want special!
[QUOTE=Some American; 1125125]It's getting harder to find good service. I decided the other day that I wanted to try a balls massage with the idea that I'll be much "stronger" the following day. Magic Relax off Soi 39 was my choice. I went there, told her what I wanted,"no cum." One hour session from the menu. 750 baht. From the moment we got to the room she tried to upsell me. After about 1/2 hour I got the "me tired" routine. Then more upsell. And "you tip me?" Where I come from a tip is for good service. I was clear when I walked in the door, made certain they understood what I wanted before I agreed to the session. I had planned on tipping her at the end of the session, but when we went downstairs I paid with a 1000 note, she said,"tip?" so I said "change" still planning on giving it to her. But when she came back with the change she threw it at me, said something I didn't understand, turned around and went into the back room. Needless to say she got no tip and needless to say I won't go back to that shop.There was a time, not that long ago, when they wouldn't have dreamed of begging for tips during the session. Most customers, myself included, understand the deal and are happy to tip the going rate, but damn.The next day I had a brilliant session with Bo at Mango. [/QUOTE]You are very wrong to go to a fuck shop when you don't want to tip for sex! I hear what you say that you tried to explain that you didn't want sex, but really you must give the girl a decent tip for her time regardless of what service you want. 1K would be a good minimum unless was a very short session.The girl doesn't want an insulting 200 Baht from you. You are essentially asking her to work for free and she is not even a friend of yours. In this circumstance, a bad session is self evident. If you want balls massage, go to a place highly recommended by the forum.Lets make one thing very very clear. What is euphemistically known as a "tip" at Oily MPs (sexual types) is not a tip at all. It is not optional. The downstairs payment to the establishment does not cover the girl at all. She has to paid independently for her time, work, and service. Its like an unwritten unspoken contract. If I gave the girl 2K, then since really 1.5K is standard for sex, so only the additional 500 is really a tip for good service.If things keep going like this, soon every establishment will change to charge full all inclusive price downstairs, and I know many forum members do not like that approach.Pick a non-sexual establishment next time please. These work on a totally different basis!I am sure your session with Bo was brilliant because you did little else, but sex.
