Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]I went to Lemon a couple of weeks ago and bought a couple of lady drinks for a 21 year old who could not speak any English (she was quite pretty) , but when it came down to barfine she insisted on $40 for short time, would not come down, even I was there for another drink and asked her a few times, you got lucky I guess or she realised nobody will be paying her asking price. (Although with that story I'm glad she didn't, that IS weird!)

Their buy 1 get one free draft beer is a good deal (also most bars want $10 bar fine). They should get busy after your post.

When you get the chance, seek out and watch a movie called 'After Hours'. There's a scene which will make you shudder, as you remember the Lemon gal.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Frankfurter; 1365543]Last nice I had probably the strangest, or should I say: worst sex in my life. I went to 'Lemon' on St. 136, since it is close to my hotel. After I had their current beer special (Buy-1-get-1-free) I barfined ($7) a 21 yr. Old, extra slim 40 kg body with a beautiful, kind of Eurasian face. She didn't speak much English, and with the help of her 'sister'/another girl we settled on $30 for three hours. In the room she disappeared to take a shower and came back with her tiny tits exposed but everything below her chest tightly wrapped in the towel. She executed, for Cambo conditions at least, a really good, sometimes even deep, and long BJ, interrupting it only after some ten minutes by pointing at her cheeks. They hurt from long BJ, she said, and wanted me to fuck her. She opened the towel and laid there on her back like a Khmer stone statue, right out of Angkor what. When I reached around her waist and tried to grab her ass the skin felt really very strange, like a heavy burn or otherwise heavy injury. This is not good, I thought, she didn't move an inch and didn't let me see how her rear looks like. OK, it didn't prevent me from fucking her since I was horny from her BJ and needed to get some resolution to all of this. After I came she wrapped the towel around her waist, ran into the bathroom, came back, snuggled really nicely and super-close to me, and. Fell asleep. I had ample opportunity to contemplated what injury / disease she might have on her ass which, after a while started to really freak me out. I woke her up and told her she should leave since I want to go eat. (I had dinner already.) Without a word, and sleepy, she disappeared.

PS: Pretty much all girls in '136', 'Lemon', 'Oasis' are take-out, except for one from the latter which didn't want to go. ST: $30-50, 2-3 hrs.) [/QUOTE]Do you remember her name?

Sorry, I can't remember her name. The more I think about this episode the more I feel sympathetic for her: Go figure what this means to be in her shoes when you have an injury or disease like that. This is like being a concert violinist who goes on stage fully knowing that he / she cannot play but hopes for the best and does some tap dancing.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1365980]Sorry, I can't remember her name. The more I think about this episode the more I feel sympathetic for her: Go figure what this means to be in her shoes when you have an injury or disease like that. This is like being a concert violinist who goes on stage fully knowing that he / she cannot play but hopes for the best and does some tap dancing.[/QUOTE]My guess would be burns. A lot of the girls get burns or injuries when they are kids as adult supervision is somewhat lacking. I'm surprised you didn't just gently turn her over and have a look. If it was just burns and you made sympathetic noises, she may have relaxed and warmed up a bit instead of doing the starfish act.

I've come across a variety of burns on legs and arms and quite a few moto injuries as well.

There are also a few deaf-mute girls working in the bars, and one very beautiful deaf-mute freelancer who hangs out at Golden Sorya Mall.

Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

So, first of all, the bars in the riverside (104/110/118/130/136) :

I had a full time girlfriend working in one hostess so I think to know a bit the score.

Some of them indeed never go out with customers and are happy making some money with ladydrinks.

Consider their salary in a bar is usually 70$/month for 8hrs / day 6days / week, for each ladydrink (3$) they

Get 1. 25$ depending on the bar, an average girl can easily earn a couple ladydrinks per night, the good ones.

Can get up to 10 drinks, the bad ones go home with nothing, but don't worry their business is getting barfined.

(7-10$) or getting crazy tips from drinkers.

You may have wondered for instance how many of these bars can survive with 10 girls inside and maybe half a customer.

Drinking a coke.

Simple, they make a shitload of money with tips, there are crazy guys giving out 10-20$ or more for absolutely no special reason,

There are guys offering 10 or 20 ladydrink in a night (that's already 60$ and still no sex!) , guys asking the phone number of the girls.

And then taking them around the next day in luxurious places, again with crazy tips included and finally the ones who fell in love for

A girl and become their sponsor or buy them the latest iPad or iPhone or take her shopping around (100-200$ if gold is involved).

Now about the boomboom : there are excellent girls in the riverside but it's also one of the most expensive options in town!

I've read some of your message being shocked by girls in bars asking 50$ ST, well that's normal nowadays but it depends on many factors,

Some girls are fine with 20-30$ as anywhere else, but others are very picky and will not shag for less than 40-50$, basically if they

Don't like you they will ask you too much and even then they can be a starfish in bed, not to mention they could refuse BBBJ as well,

After all most of these girls don't start as hookers they just start with ladydrinks and only after some time they eventually switch

To full time or part time hookers because they see how easily the other girls make 100s of bucks, I can't blame them but

That's the way it is and by the way the young girls have it much more easy than the others, I know one cute girl 21 yrs old who does no BBBJ.

And no BB altogether and she asks 60-100$ LT take it or leave it and there's no shortage of customers for her and she has also 3 sponsors.

Conclusion : do whatever you want and have fun!

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.

At the moment, there's no way to pay less than 20$ ST and actually they usually start asking 30$ anyway.

IF you're a regular and you speak some khmer and they like you then it's a whole different story but don't expect to pay 10$ or to shag for free.

Free sex can be had outside working hours if she's really into you, but 10 or 15$ is next to impossible because it would be a loss of face for her.

Unless she knows you very well, in that case she will tell you to come when there's nobody like in the afternoon or when they're closing at 3AM.

Next chapter : freelancers.

Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

So, first of all, the bars in the riverside (104/110/118/130/136) :

I had a full time girlfriend working in one hostess so I think to know a bit the score.

Some of them indeed never go out with customers and are happy making some money with ladydrinks.

Consider their salary in a bar is usually 70$/month for 8hrs / day 6days / week, for each ladydrink (3$) they

Get 1. 25$ depending on the bar, an average girl can easily earn a couple ladydrinks per night, the good ones.

Can get up to 10 drinks, the bad ones go home with nothing, but don't worry their business is getting barfined.

(7-10$) or getting crazy tips from drinkers.

You may have wondered for instance how many of these bars can survive with 10 girls inside and maybe half a customer.

Drinking a coke.

Simple, they make a shitload of money with tips, there are crazy guys giving out 10-20$ or more for absolutely no special reason,

There are guys offering 10 or 20 ladydrink in a night (that's already 60$ and still no sex!) , guys asking the phone number of the girls.

And then taking them around the next day in luxurious places, again with crazy tips included and finally the ones who fell in love for

A girl and become their sponsor or buy them the latest iPad or iPhone or take her shopping around (100-200$ if gold is involved).

Now about the boomboom : there are excellent girls in the riverside but it's also one of the most expensive options in town!

I've read some of your message being shocked by girls in bars asking 50$ ST, well that's normal nowadays but it depends on many factors,

Some girls are fine with 20-30$ as anywhere else, but others are very picky and will not shag for less than 40-50$, basically if they

Don't like you they will ask you too much and even then they can be a starfish in bed, not to mention they could refuse BBBJ as well,

After all most of these girls don't start as hookers they just start with ladydrinks and only after some time they eventually switch

To full time or part time hookers because they see how easily the other girls make 100s of bucks, I can't blame them but

That's the way it is and by the way the young girls have it much more easy than the others, I know one cute girl 21 yrs old who does no BBBJ.

And no BB altogether and she asks 60-100$ LT take it or leave it and there's no shortage of customers for her and she has also 3 sponsors.

Conclusion : do whatever you want and have fun!

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.

At the moment, there's no way to pay less than 20$ ST and actually they usually start asking 30$ anyway.

IF you're a regular and you speak some khmer and they like you then it's a whole different story but don't expect to pay 10$ or to shag for free.

Free sex can be had outside working hours if she's really into you, but 10 or 15$ is next to impossible because it would be a loss of face for her.

Unless she knows you very well, in that case she will tell you to come when there's nobody like in the afternoon or when they're closing at 3AM.

Next chapter : freelancers.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger; 1366167]Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

. .

Just remember that these bars are a big ripoff in one way or another.

I would stick with the bars in 104 especially the Air Force Bar as the girls there have really a good attitude and don't ask crazy prices (20-30$ ST)

And if they like you they're usually happy to go around for dinner, disco, whatever, they're clean and don't do drugs and never make troubles.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment of the Riverside area bars but not in the case of street 104. My experiences with Air Force have already been reported in this forum and they were not good. I also took a girl out of another bar on 104 who was charming but no LT and higher price.

I think that the Phnom Penh riverside bar area is becoming like the Burgos Street in Manila. The girls and the bars have learned how to milk the tourist and there is far too much game-playing. PP is not yet at the level of Manila Burgos Street but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The very pretty young girls do not go with the customers because they get so much from lady drinks and only the older and not so fresh girls are available for take-out but only ST, unless LT happens to suit the girl at the time (bar closing time, customer staying in a really good hotel etc) and only for big money.

And every girl in Riverside starts her bidding at $50 or more for ST because there are so many foreigners who don't know the game and just pay whatever they are asked.

As in Manila, the best value for money is probably FL and sometimes the best experience is with a FL too.

[QUOTE=MetaMonger; 1366167]Hello mongers,

I live in Phnom Penh and I've read a dozen pages of this forum.

My impression is you guys are paying a bit too much but on the other side the going rates here have raised a lot in the last two years unlike in the rest of Cambo.

Said that, it has nothing to do with the cost of life here apart for a few things, it's all because of this new wave or rich tourists overpaying like crazy and I've witness mongers paying absolutely overboard for girls worth maybe 10$ a shag.

Next chapter : freelancers.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is the norm with lazy, non caring tourists who obviously do no research or have any idea forums such as ISG exist. Useful post, I look forward to the next chapter, MetaMonger.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1366945]Unfortunately this is the norm with lazy, non caring tourists who obviously do no research or have any idea forums such as ISG exist. Useful post, I look forward to the next chapter, MetaMonger.[/QUOTE]It's still much better than in Siem Reap where you have the absolute worst kind of tourists fresh off the airport with euros, yen, and wongs in their pockets.

Korean and Japanese are the kings of the hill in Phnom Penh and they're the favourite target of any decent working girl.

In my experience this type of overpaying tourists just don't care about the price, they care about the experience, they eventually seek the romance, they always value the look over substance or performance, they will rather overpay a starfish with good looks than a skilled sex worker with average look just to make some idiot photos on their iphone to show their friends back home.

The riverside bargirls are not targeting us well informed mongers, they love the newbies and the rich suckers as they're the only ones gullible enough to become also potential long-distance sponsors.

Said that, most of these girls are a lot less hardened that other girls in cheaper areas, some don't even do BBBJ and especially they don't do CIM.

To each his own, but the price they ask is absolutely ridicolous.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1366807]I agree with your assessment of the Riverside area bars but not in the case of street 104. My experiences with Air Force have already been reported in this forum and they were not good. I also took a girl out of another bar on 104 who was charming but no LT and higher price.

I think that the Phnom Penh riverside bar area is becoming like the Burgos Street in Manila. The girls and the bars have learned how to milk the tourist and there is far too much game-playing. PP is not yet at the level of Manila Burgos Street but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The very pretty young girls do not go with the customers because they get so much from lady drinks and only the older and not so fresh girls are available for take-out but only ST, unless LT happens to suit the girl at the time (bar closing time, customer staying in a really good hotel etc) and only for big money.

And every girl in Riverside starts her bidding at $50 or more for ST because there are so many foreigners who don't know the game and just pay whatever they are asked.

As in Manila, the best value for money is probably FL and sometimes the best experience is with a FL too.[/QUOTE]Girls in 104 quickly get down to heart when you tell them you live in PP and you speak some khmer.

But that's also the point where they realize they better stick with other customers as they know you're not going to pay them more than 20-30 bucks.

Some of them don't go out with customers at all, they're just there to score lady drinks.

Average monthly salary is 70$ (6 days per week) , for each lady drink they get 1. 25$ or 1. 5$

If they engage into kissing you deep throat, letting you touch her pussy, etc etc, she will ask you a tip of 1-2$

All in all they can easily make 10 or even 20 bucks per day without doing any sex and I can tell you in PP a salary.

Of 300$ is quite good considering these girls are often illiterate with no skills whatsoever and in massage shop.

They would be lucky to make 100$/month.

They tend to live in shitholes, often far away from downtown. 30 to 50$ per month, or they share an apartment.

You can rent for 150$/month with other 3-4 girls, I've seen a couple of them pretty grim scenario, it must be heaven when.

A rich customer take them to sleep in a 4-5 stars hotel.

Said that, these girls like to have fun, if they like you they're often glad to go out with you for a dinner or in disco or whatever.

Disco in particular (Heart, Pontoon) is one of their favourites as they're stuck every day in their damn bar and never go out too much.

One girl from Air Force for instance came in disco with us recently and had lots of fun and after she took my friend to her (shithole) house.

Where he shagged her for free, you see never say never. But it must be said my friend spent almost 50$ in drinks in her bar before and paid.

Her barfine as well.

As far as I see they use to ask 40-50$ ST, they will never go below 20$, maybe also to not lose face, it would be an insult to accept 5-10$

Like a street hooker, that's probably why they'll rather boomboom for free if they're really into you, but who knows anything goes in PP.

Some even ask 100$ for LT, it depends on many factors, there's no clear rule, the more your show off your wealth the more she will ask for.

Money, even older girls ask crazy prices or at least they try.

Many of the girls have a boyfriend back home, say 50% of them, and a baby or two back in the village.

So many have sponsors overseas, others dream of marrying a rich foreigner.

However it turns out, they are almost always not from Phnom Penh, and they make sure nobody in their hometown know they're hostess girls.

In PP.

Milking tourists : yes, that's exactly their business, and in the most active bars they're pressured by the bar owners to make you drink a lot.

Indeed their goal is scoring lady drinks rather than being barfined but it depends on the bar, some bars are like entering a crowded disco, others are

Very soft where you can sit and relax for hours, you must know where to go basically and the average tourists just don't have the time to explore much.

I wonder if the dozen or so posters reporting on the last few pages will be flamed for pointing out the same reality that I did months ago.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1367169]I wonder if the dozen or so posters reporting on the last few pages will be flamed for pointing out the same reality that I did months ago.[/QUOTE]Look, I can tell you where to shag for 4-5$ in Phnom Penh if price is the only issue, plenty of street hookers and carboard brothels not too far from the riverside, but unfortunately the bar scene has been killed by crazy tourists paying like there's no tomorrow.

Last I've heard this morning, a japanese yesterday night spending 300$ on drinks and lady drinks in 136 and still no sex (he went back to his hotel completely drunk and alone).

Now, with clients like this there's no surprise the girls don't give a shit about being barfined and if they do they start asking 50$ or 100$ a pop.

And how about the girls in the club Darling Darling at Nagaworld (casino) asking 150-250$ ST?

These prices are simply CRAZY completely out of proportion but PP is really changing fast, even rental prices in downtown are bollocks and what about NGO guys paying 2000$/month to rent a shit apartment in BKK1?

The pricing difference at the moment is astonishing, in one bar they can ask you 100$ and in the next one they can be ok for 20$ LT. But they smell newbies and tourist a mile away, it's up to you to know the score and it's not easy here, many things are really low profile especially the cheapest places, no signs, no girls calling you outside, no red lights. And yet maybe 10 girls upstairs offering sex for 3-4$ and 1 hr massage for 2$. I don't know why they make it so hard nowadays, in other places it's a lot more open air with no strings attached.

I read the other day in the New York times that somebody paid 55, 000, 000 for a condo in New york or L. A. Somebody had a place for sale for 78, 000, 000. Now that is over priced.

I am learning about what to expect next month so keep the information coming.