Berlin

[QUOTE=Eyali; 1373387]Hi,

Needs your assistance for recommendation for a short visit over the weekend.

Places must visit (FKK, Massage, Strip clubs, etc.)

Good bars with a chance of find something.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Here's the post I mentioned earlier [Bars, where there somtimes are WG:s].

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1310008&viewfull=1#post1310008[/url]

Is there anyone that knows of any similar places on the other side of town [Schöneberg, Wilmersdorf or Charlottenburg]?

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1373734]thanks for the suggestion Finite.

Kimino[/QUOTE]Was a litle bit unsure if I should have mentioned the place since there prob. No WG:s there. Berlin is a verry mongerfriendly city, you don't have to work hard at all to find good P4P-venues, which is nothing to complain about. But sometimes it gets a bit boring, for me the hunt can be as excitng as the sex-part. To bad the hobbyhuren in the bars seems to have quit high prices, otherwise it seems like a fun way to party.

From the local BZ paper, some rumblings about flatrate bordellos and even the Erlebnisw, as overheard in an Artemis discussion:

[url]http://www.bz-berlin.de/aktuell/berlin/gruene-flatrate-bordelle-sollen-dichtmachen-article1620742.html[/url]

Loosely and poorly translated by Herr Doktor Google:

Greens: Close flatrate brothels 14th January 2013 Regulator offices should monitor closely and operating permits are issued again in the future. Prostitute in a brothel Only 99 euros and to pay closing time with so many prostitutes and as often as you want to have sex. Drinks included! So two Berlin brothels woo suitors. For the Greens cynical business model. You want flat-clubs now falling Edison therefore the red light."Here, women are offered as the cheapest mass-merchandise" complains the Green MEP Anja Kofbinger (53)."It does indeed hardly profit if a suitor with a prostitute in the room is six times and only once paid. It in doubt deserves the brothel." The woman spokesperson of the Greens therefore demands that the two all-inclusive brothels are tightly controlled by industry and regulatory agencies. If it appears that the prostitutes work for dumping wages, the operation must be closed immediately. Already in 2009 had provided a flat rate club in Schönefeld stir. There and at other stores in the chain, there were raids across Germany. Behind nine men were sentenced to several years in prison. For [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and embezzlement of millions of dollars in wages."We run everything lawful," said the head of the "King George". One of the two flat-Berlin brothels."None of our ladies working under duress," he says."Half of the entry fees goes into the women's fund and will be divided among them." Moreover, most would-free during a visit in any case only have sex twice. Anja Kofbinger does not think so."I will work for legislation that it does not even allow to open such an operation," she says.

It seems they are more concerned with wages than other moral aspects. Anyway, this debate has been going on for a while.
See 2009 article [url]https://www.taz.de/!38214/[/url]

A classic test for free marketeers vs government regulations of labor markets. Disclosure: RB has never been to any, and would not, as the model is is not his thing. Just reporting the facts, mam.

No! Wait! I'm coming to Berlin in a couple of months! My first time mongering in Germany! Flatrate clubs are my main target! I'm going to try Artemis only once, just for the experience, because I don't want to spend hundreds of euros in one go. I've been reading german threads for so long, so many mongers' triumphs, that I decided I had to visit this sex-heaven country inspite of being more keen on EE "adventures". Anyway, anything will do, kinos (curious to see) , private flats, SW, whatever can give me satisfaction at a reasonable price (not 80euros +60+extras multiplied for a few times).

I would like to take this occasion to thank all the major contributors of this thread, hoping you carry on with your helpful posts that are fundamental for all the readers. In the meantime I'll keep on reading here to gather more infos, possibly also about the flatrate clubs, meaning like King George, one-on-one, not gangbangs or swingers.

Wir sehen uns bald (google translated)

I would not worry. No matter what eventually happens I seriously doubt it would happen for a while. This is Germany and there are a whole lot of procedures to go through before anyone makes any changes like closing bordellos of any sort.

AM

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1375846]My first time mongering in Germany! Flatrate clubs are my main target! I'm going to try Artemis only once, just for the experience, because I don't want to spend hundreds of euros in one go.[/QUOTE]You will still be able to flatline it for sure in a few months. Just remember, the "value" bit is highly personal and subjective. Personally, I would spend a little more for one great session with a serious looker, where I felt some connection, vs what goes on in the mass boofing buffets. Some guys just need to bang 5 girls a day, before they feel fulfilled. Fine. And there may well be diamonds in the rough in these fuck factories. But you really cannot compare the experience-so in say Caligula you can have 5+ for 99, and in Artemis 2 for 200 (total entry 80 + 2 x 30 min sessions at 60 each). But you also can hang all day and night, relax, get 2 meals, sauna, swim, and just enjoy the vibe of watching up to 70+ naked girls, take your time, talk, flirt, read, watch football, hang with other mongers, get financial or shoe shopping or decorating advice, etc.

By all accounts, the women and the cleanliness scene are a hell of a lot nicer in Artemis than in Sodom and Gommoraland. Of course some just like the sleazy bit. Again fine. Just go to Artemis on a strong night- Thurs thru Sat.for a full lineup. You can of course lounge around during the quieter day time and there are perhaps 20 or so on, but it only after 730-8pm that the house is at full 70+ strength.

As Dr Wanking and others have documented, there are plenty of other inexpensive group grope alternatives like Erlebniswohnung or Insomnia. Just not my thing for reasons of taste, but also health. I do believe there are higher risks of viral things happening at these places and choose not to mess with it. Others disagree-these are personal choices.

IMHO the better private apartment bordellos have the best girls-but the obvious downside of being more costly, you can't hang out and must choose fairly quickly, and it is more hit and miss who will be available and when, and more running around the city vs the target rich environments of the larger clubs. Then there are the hundreds of indie girls, and the other smaller downmarket bordells as Angus Magee's blog details. Sometimes quite interesting, sometimes disastrous. Just a lot more running around and hit and miss. All different value propositions and only you can decide the relative "worth". Just report back when you are done so you give something back to the Forum as well. Happy trails.

Hi mongers! I visited Berlin last year and spent awonderful 2 days at Artemis. A real eye opener, my first time at FKK club. It was expensive but worth it, as everyone points out. The best for me was sex in the Kino room. Felt like a Roman orgy fucking there while others were getting sucked off and looking on. I plan another day there soon but wondered if anyone had tips for the best value place for anal in a club or brothel in the general area of West Berlin / Charlottenburg. I did that once in Artemis but it was 100E extra which is a bit rich. I know 40E seems to be a more normal add-on at other places, but what is the best place and even better, tips on a particular lady (who really likes that)? Great also if it is easily walking / accessible from a train station.

Thanks in advance for any help!

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1369671]If you want a good strip club go to Texas. Berlin strip clubs are generally shit IMHO.

AM[/QUOTE]Do you have a link to it?

[QUOTE=Bargainshunter;1376219]Do you have a link to it?[/QUOTE]Sorry no. Try the USA guide connected with the ISG. All I meant is that in general there are much better locals for strip clubs than Berlin, Texas being one of them. Here you have bordellos and FKK which is fine by me.

A

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1376153]As Dr Wanking and others have documented, there are plenty of other inexpensive group grope alternatives like Erlebniswohnung or Insomnia. Just not my thing for reasons of taste, but also health. I do believe there are higher risks of viral things happening at these places and choose not to mess with it. Others disagree-these are personal choices.[/QUOTE]I love both FKKs and Flatrate. The reason I do mostly cheap flatrate clubs is to save money, simple as. If I had more money I would spend more time in FKK clubs. I often spend a day in an FKK after a full day in a flatrate on the previous day, which works well because I am not as horny on day 2 and therefore 1 or 2 session will satisfy me in the FKK, after cumming maybe 5 times with 8 to 10 women the previous day in the Flatrate.

Thing is I wouldn't be happy only having 1 or 2 sessions in an FKK on the first day of my trip if I hadn't fucked for a month or two previously, and I don't want to pay 5 or 6 individual session along with entry which could hit me for maybe €400, SO I always go to Flatrate on day 1.

Over the last year I have been going to cheap party called Cleopatra Arena which is near Dusseldorf. I have been going there on the first day of my trip. They usually have 4 bareback girls along 4 to 6 Covered girls, and most sessions are in private rooms plus the service is pretty good. When you leave the club they give you a €25 discount card for your next visit. On my last visit in December I only paid €54 for a day of sex along with the discount card, this was the price for covered sex only, but being the sneaky ole bastard that I am, I still managed a few bareback sessions LOL. Now €54 for a whole day of sex with 8 women, and 12 sessions I can live with. I like Cheap LOL! You can read about it here [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3243-Cleopatra-Arena-Gelsenkirchen&p=1369052&viewfull=1#post1369052[/url]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1376346]Now €54 for a whole day of sex with 8 women, and 12 sessions I can live with. I like Cheap LOL![/QUOTE]Wow, this has to be some kind of record-at least for western sensibilities.

For me I have to say I wish that I could be satisfied with a flat rate club and the girls found within. Unfortunately I find that I simply can not complete a session with a girl if I sense her complete disinterest. I know that the better looking Artemis girls might also be disinterested but they at least (some of them) put on a good show. When I went to the KG is went with 5 girls and only really finished with one of them. No big deal because the price was cheap but for me it ends up as a false economy.

But as I have said before, I love reading of your exploits WK and always appreciate the enthusiasm you show for the hobby.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1376360]Wow, this has to be some kind of record-at least for western sensibilities.

For me I have to say I wish that I could be satisfied with a flat rate club and the girls found within. Unfortunately I find that I simply can not complete a session with a girl if I sense her complete disinterest. I know that the better looking Artemis girls might also be disinterested but they at least (some of them) put on a good show. When I went to the KG is went with 5 girls and only really finished with one of them. No big deal because the price was cheap but for me it ends up as a false economy.

But as I have said before, I love reading of your exploits WK and always appreciate the enthusiasm you show for the hobby.

AM[/QUOTE]It's not always true that an "optifick" doesn't perform as well, as a less beutiful girl. But off course a not so good looking girl can't afford the luxuary to not pretend she enjoys her work.

[QUOTE=SwedishAssMan]Hi mongers! I visited Berlin last year and spent awonderful 2 days at Artemis. A real eye opener, my first time at FKK club. It was expensive but worth it, as everyone points out. The best for me was sex in the Kino room. Felt like a Roman orgy fucking there while others were getting sucked off and looking on. I plan another day there soon but wondered if anyone had tips for the best value place for anal in a club or brothel in the general area of West Berlin / Charlottenburg. I did that once in Artemis but it was 100E extra which is a bit rich. I know 40E seems to be a more normal add-on at other places, but what is the best place and even better, tips on a particular lady (who really likes that)? Great also if it is easily walking / accessible from a train station.[/QUOTE]A 160€ for anal + ordinary "ficken und blasen" is a good price, especially compared to what you would have to pay in Sweden. Take a look at the google map project and you will find a couple of mid-ranged bordellos where you can find this extra fairly cheap.

Thanks for your advice Rocketboy0, I understand what you mean and it is reasonable, but I'm totally by Wanking's side about the mathematics. To start off, I can't figure out what it will be like to me to step into a place where there are some 20 (can't imagine 70!) naked Beautiful (mind the "B") girls available, maybe I'll bang my head against the ceiling! I risk to go crazy more than a child in funfair or toyshop! If any of you is going to be there that day, he will probably guess which one of the other guys is me! LOL!

Where I live I'm used to SW and, when I travel, to apartments, normally 3-4 girls when they are too many, and rarely the choice is that difficult, plus I don't go to strip clubs (where you have many girls around) , and my latest closest experience to a FKK was in Castel De Fels, Barcelona, in the famous Riviera club, in 2001!

My intention in Artemis is to stay as shortly as possible. I don't mean to brag my performances, I don't take pills but I'm a sort of machine, crazy for sex and Beautiful girls. I couldn't hang around just talking, watching, or relaxing somehow being surrounded by all those treasures, I would like to get as many as I can, a financial disaster. Also I have the problem of condoms, often I don't release because I don't feel that much. 30 mins is a risky allowance, I may unload with the first girl, but with the others it would be frustrating and costly to try further shots. I read in pain about the AO options, but I'm not ready for them yet.

For my trip I budgeted max 1 "payment" a day, apart the day in Artemis. For the rest I'll be a sightseeing tourist, this meaning that the most of my days will have sex only for some 30-45 mins, bloody 80 euros minimum expense as far as I can guess. In Bucharest, with that much, I can afford, just to give you a clue, accommodation, meals, taxis and a couple of girls. Honestly, for roughly 20 euros, not too often I come across the girls that supposedly can be found in an average FKK, but still I'm happy, being Romanian girls on average of satisfying beauty, as you all probably know. I reckon that buying by the peasant is cheaper than buying by the greengrocer.

Wanking, Angus, please post about Caligula and King George, which are the only 2 flatrate open in Berlin at the moment, as far as I know. I read german threads very often, but it's hard to go through thousands of post.

One question: do they include BBBJ? I understand Caligula's site says CBJ. If it's extra, how does it work? Must "tip" every girl? How much?

Needless to say, I'll post my achievements once done.

Thank you for your attention

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1376384]Wanking, Angus, please post about Caligula and King George, which are the only 2 flatrate open in Berlin at the moment, as far as I know. I read german threads very often, but it's hard to go through thousands of post.

One question: do they include BBBJ? I understand Caligula's site says CBJ. If it's extra, how does it work? Must "tip" every girl? How much?[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure most these questions are answered in various posts on the forum if you take a look back at older posts. Or maybe WK has the energy to repeat himself? Not sure if he actually made it to Caligula or KG though. But for inexpensive experiences with quantity as the defining factor he is your man in the hot seat.

As for my one KG experience you can find it linked through my blog.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=310[/url]

AM

[QUOTE=Wanking;1376346]Now €54 for a whole day of sex with 8 women[/QUOTE]So that's on average less than 7 euros per girl. Not to take away from your adventures but that's actually a good example of what was quoted below, the political pressure put upon these venues, and that many Germans cannot comprehend that there would be many girls there working under their more or less free will. And I must admit, this includes me to some degree. I mean, even aside from such an extreme example, if you do the math you'll easily see that in these flatrate clubs the girls are simply not able to cut out much more than the would if they'd do some other crap job taking into account that the club also has to pay for the facilities, has to pay various taxes and wants to cut out some profit. That many girls would be inclined to sell pussy there without massive pressure from somewhere is a little bit beyond my comprehension. Yeah sure, there's the occasional nympho, but those are by far not enough to populate all these clubs, and yes, there's no need to tell me about all that goes wrong in apartment places and especially FKK clubs too, but I would certainly expect this to be much pronounced in these venues. Just my 2c.

Finite, FWIW, I'm going out in Berlin ever since the glorious days of the early 90s, I mean, not all the time, I never fully lived in Berlin, and in recent years I'm stuck in a pile of work most of the time I'm there, and in the early days I might've been a bit too naive to spot things like these, but anyway what I wanted to say: I can not recall that ever came across any obvious WGs in any regular club or bar venue in Berlin. So if there's a scene out there it's certainly not big and / or confined to places where regular guys cannot get or cannot afford to get into. Sure, with enough seduction skills anything is possible, but why would one want to do that if you have to pay for it in the end anyway? Much better to try for freebies in the vast Berlin scene IMO. The WGs in regular clubs thing, for me this has also been something that you find predominantly in third world countries and holiday destinations.