Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]Good rack. I don't know when you were last in AC but I have to tell you this. You couldn't be more wrong with your impression about AC. Sure, it ain't BKK. But there are enough high quality girls to fill up a week or two easily. Needs a bit of legwork though.

Disclaimer. One man's treasure is another man's trash.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2330292]If AC was so bad then why did you stay there 4 months?[/QUOTE]Why do you think?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]Her tits are too big to me.

Not to mention they are probably fake.

And she looks old LOL.

Over 25 (in Asia is over the hill).

So this is what you consider top 2-3?

I probably wouldn't want to waste a bullet on her.

Maybe if she was closer to 18 yo rather than closer to 28 yo?

With smaller natural boobs.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2330329]Good rack. I don't know when you were last in AC but I have to tell you this. You couldn't be more wrong with your impression about AC. Sure, it ain't BKK. But there are enough high quality girls to fill up a week or two easily. Needs a bit of legwork though.

Disclaimer. One man's treasure is another man's trash.[/QUOTE]Well-stated!

[QUOTE=Catire;2328788]Found old school Bangkok tonight.

Nana Plaza has been uber lame each time I've stuck my head inside of the various places.

So I went to Patpong.


.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Good to hear some info about Patpong. I will be staying there the next time I am in BKK. Just for a change. I will skip staying in Sukhumvit, I find the atmosphere too dirty and depressing in the daytime. But I will definitely take a couple of trips there to see my fave gogos an to do a bit of shopping at T21.

I was cruising around Nana Plaza tonight and decided to pop in to Butterflies Go-Go Bar on the top floor. I got there early, almost exactly 9pm. Very few customers in the place. Very few customers walking around the Plaza or up or down Soi 4 at that hour.

I did not have a game plan, didn't want to follow a game plan this night really. If anything interesting came my way, I wanted to just "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" as much as possible while still being mindful not to simply agree to a top asking price (for this bar) without any expectations applied to it at all. But I have gotten bored with the usual patter leading up to a girl agreeing upfront to provide me with what I consider Real Sex (for money, of course). If necessary, I will happily hand a girl an offer only an idiot would refuse and, well, "go with the flow in the room and see what happens."

Believe it or not, this was one of those nights where I was willing to meet a new girl, take her to my room, engage ONLY in DATY if it turned out there was no way she would go for BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP (the only two ways I am either capable of or willing to ejaculate these days) and I would be just fine with it. Maybe we exchange Line info and engage in Real Sex next time. Or not. No biggie either way. Yes, I have nights like that these days.

So I sit in Butterfiles for about a half hour mostly uninspired by the line up. Eventually, a thoroughly average girl in this bar, which is not exactly known for an abundance of stunners, suddenly appears before me with a less than average friend and they sit at my side, lobbying for an LD for both, of course. I apologize for not choosing the less than average one and go with the average one. Again, no game plan. She seemed squeezable enough.

She sat on my lap through two LDs (went through them quite slowly actually). Lite French Kissing off and on. She felt good in my hands. I would say mid-20's. Not fat and not skinny. Healthy. Nice lips and mouth with a sensuous tongue. The cuddling was nice. Much murmuring about how much she likes me. Her English was actually pretty good. Ok. I'd say there was enough chemistry to take her on a night like this one.

Near the end of the second LD, two mamasans show up at our side. Do I want to pay her barfine and take her? Maybe. They wouldn't leave. I playfully waved them off. One dykie looking mamasan wouldn't leave without making sure I understood ALL the girls charge 3,000 baht for ST after I pay the 1,000 baht barfine. Which is BS, of course. I've taken many girls from that bar right up until the past couple of weeks for an agreed upon 2,500 baht. I have every reason to believe some have gone fairly recently for the barfine + 2,000 baht. And for BBFS+CIP. Whatever. Finally the TWO mamasans moved on so I could close a deal or not with the girl herself.

I liked this thoroughly average girl well enough to make that "idiot-proof" offer if for no other reason but to put an end to the Butterflies Go-Go Bar experience for now; I tell her and put it in Google Translate (and reverse translate to be as sure as possible it is what I mean to tell her) that I will pay the barfine and pay HER 2,000 baht just to eat her pussy (DATY). And IF we do more than that, which will be totally up to her, I will PAY her more than that.

"No. 3,000 baht", she says. No counter offer of 2,500 baht (I am sure I would have agreed to that on this night and under these particular circumstances). No clarification asked to make sure the offer was what she heard and read on my cellphone with her own eyes. Nothing. "3,000 baht." She called over the dykie mamasan. Since I really didn't give a damn if any girl took me up on this offer, I told and showed the dykie mamasan what I was offering the girl just in case there was any doubt about her understanding of it. "No. ALL the girls require 3,000 baht for ST." For only eating their pussy with an agreement to pay MORE if we do more than that in the room? "Yes."

The dykie mamasan walked away and then I asked the still cuddling girl what we would do in the room for the 3,000 baht. Remember, I just did not want to go through any discussion about the minimum I require this night, didn't want to have the "condom" conversation tonight, didn't want to explain for the umpteenth time that I was not looking for a BBBJ that ends as a Hand Job instead of a Blowjob. I was not going to pay to jerk myself off on some part of her body and call that "great sex". I wanted her to at least say, "Anything" or "Everything" or "Up to you" or "Boom boom" or "Stare at the wall" or something, anything. But nope. Nothing. Apparently, she was actually demanding 3,000 baht ST for the DATY I said I wanted to do to her and NOTHING else. LOL.

So I thanked them both for their time, the girl and the dykie mamasan, paid my approximate 500 baht check bin, left 20 baht tip for the server, stood up and moved on.

Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.

That is when I headed over to Thermae and, for the 3rd time in so many months, take one of the better looking girls on the left side as you walk in the front door, the supposedly "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of their line up around the room. More on that later.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]I was cruising around Nana Plaza tonight and decided to pop in to Butterflies Go-Go Bar on the top floor. I got there early, almost exactly 9pm. Very few customers in the place. Very few customers walking around the Plaza or up or down Soi 4 at that hour.[/QUOTE]1000 BF? Did it go up from 700?

Agreed that she may be a bit dense as it is slow season, but if she gets BFed every night, that may be the reason she's holding at 3 k. The less attractive of the 2 who initially sat with you might have done BBFS+CIM, DATY, or whatever, but the board will never know. Safe to say you stopped by other gogo bars at Nana, and it was disappointing?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]
Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.
[/QUOTE]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not. I suspect the whole thing was doomed from the moment the mamasans arrived. Normally I hand bar fines to girls with no direct mamasan involvement. I am now thinking that I should make a rule for myself, that once a mamasan arrives and starts putting her thoughts in, the deal should be off, and I should warn girls I am allergic to mamasans too.

I recall my last disaster at RB2, occurred after a mamasan approached and wanted me to pay upfront, which I refused, but I should have cancelled the girl as well. In the end wasted the 1 K barfine, wasted my time taking her back to my apartment, and wasted some small money on what she wanted to eat at Maccas or was it KFC, I can't remember since I ordered nothing. I don't eat that shit. Anyway she got no money since she refused to fuck being the black pad stain end of her period. I just wanted her to rinse up and fuck as normal (with condom).

My other thought is that all girls at Butterflies maybe programmed to believe that they are worth 3 K, even if clearly different girls are worth different amounts in my eyes.

Maybe the girl does not trust you that you will do only DATY for 2 k. Admittedly it seems like easy money, if is true. The girl never heard of a customer pulling this DATY only "scam" before. Ha ha. Just teasing and trying to imagine what she is thinking. I believe that you would pay more if you got what you wanted, as would I.

I agree with you that the standard of girls at Butterflies is sometimes exaggerated, they are not really as good as Billboard girls overall, maybe the odd nice one. I consider Butterflies to be somewhat the Billboard 2nd tier girls, bearing in mind that Billboard also has few stunners for the face (mostly good bodies).

I did meet one Butterflies girl that I know was a good fuck because I used to do her at Dollhouse, but her body had deteriorated to pudgy. May have even had a baby since I last did her.

I don't really know much about how many girls can be bargained down to a lower price. It is extremely unlikely I am ever taking a lower standard girl, that is not in the top tier, and therefore are always the top price, likely, if specified before BFing. I still get plenty of girls though that do not negotiate a price with me at all. So I can pay what I determine to be fair which is never stingy. Of course I don't know exactly what I am getting but success rate is far higher with girls after no negotiation. These girls that do not negotiate price, are always very keen, and perform well. Maybe they can tell I am "Jai Dee". One such bargirl was not that keen to do BBFS, however when she could see I was having trouble cumming and dick would start to flag, she eventually gave in to BBFS on the 3rd round of fucking I think (still with no price negotiation). Her pussy was just a bit on the tight side for me, so BB was working much better. I am willing to COB instead of CIP. Now I can expect BBFS with her any time I want and never a price negotiation. It is so much easier once have regulars. I do have my HIV test certificate but I don't really know if most girls are educated enough to be able to decipher it, being in English. "Non Reactive" may be a bit mysterious to them. Perhaps I should be requesting my certificate to be in Thai, since I can read it.

In the really old days, I don't recall doing much negotiating with girls if ever.

I probably should be telling a mamasan that I just don't need her since the girl and myself have no communication issues at all, other than overly loud music at some venues..

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.
[/QUOTE]I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330373]Her tits are too big to me.

Not to mention they are probably fake.

And she looks old LOL.

Over 25 (in Asia is over the hill).

So this is what you consider top 2-3?

I probably wouldn't want to waste a bullet on her.

Maybe if she was closer to 18 yo rather than closer to 28 yo?

With smaller natural boobs.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330683]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not. I suspect the whole thing was doomed from the moment the mamasans arrived. Normally I hand bar fines to girls with no direct mamasan involvement. I am now thinking that I should make a rule for myself, that once a mamasan arrives and starts putting her thoughts in, the deal should be off, and I should warn girls I am allergic to mamasans too.

I recall my last disaster at RB2, occurred after a mamasan approached and wanted me to pay upfront, which I refused, but I should have cancelled the girl as well. In the end wasted the 1 K barfine, wasted my time taking her back to my apartment, and wasted some small money on what she wanted to eat at Maccas or was it KFC, I can't remember since I ordered nothing. I don't eat that shit. Anyway she got no money since she refused to fuck being the black pad stain end of her period. I just wanted her to rinse up and fuck as normal (with condom).

My other thought is that all girls at Butterflies maybe programmed to believe that they are worth 3 K, even if clearly different girls are worth different amounts in my eyes.

Maybe the girl does not trust you that you will do only DATY for 2 k. Admittedly it seems like easy money, if is true. The girl never heard of a customer pulling this DATY only "scam" before. Ha ha. Just teasing and trying to imagine what she is thinking. I believe that you would pay more if you got what you wanted, as would I...[/QUOTE]I don't believe in paying sucker price (sticker price).

Well one day in nana, I made a deal with a girl the mamasan came up right before I paid the BF.

And raised the price on our agreement, she knew I had barfined many girls out of that bar.

So when she did that I put down my glass and walked out.

I didn't return for a few days, and she never did that again LMAO!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]
Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]I have done 18 to 20 YO girls with natural tits equally high (but not equally large). I got one accidentally at a cart bar on Asoke that maybe was not to 18. Whoops! her tits were amazing in terms of no sag. Maybe still have the tits pic. Will check. Without the face it is hard to be sure which girl is which from the past.

Yes given her tits are real and so high, she has to be young, and one would not expect it to last. My GF has biggish tits but at 39 they have to start to sag. Certainly cannot sit as high as Elsa's. First glance at the pics, one can think they look suspicious, but closer examination actually finds no evidence of a silicone job. I have never ever seen a tit job looking that good and real, so they must be real. Simple probability logic. If a tit job like that was possible, surely would cost a fortune and AC girls would not be able to afford it. Even Hollywood movie star tit jobs are not looking that good.

Fortunately I can take girls with very small tits as well (if nice shaped). For me the shape and curve is all important and fake ones can rarely have acceptable shape. So I don't like fake ones unless a very superior subtle job, that is not exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2330571]1000 BF? Did it go up from 700?

Agreed that she may be a bit dense as it is slow season, but if she gets BFed every night, that may be the reason she's holding at 3 k. The less attractive of the 2 who initially sat with you might have done BBFS+CIM, DATY, or whatever, but the board will never know. Safe to say you stopped by other gogo bars at Nana, and it was disappointing?[/QUOTE]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]She's certainly cute and stacked but comparing some of your photos from home it begs the question why did you leave Jakarta? You could have saved the airfare and gotten better girls.

I guess the grass is always greener. 😁.

Some great and informative posts regardless.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. You're correct about getting in early. Age and, even worse, kids do a lot of damage. Their body types are also the type to put on belly and hip fat later on while spinners remain stick figures.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha the new Thai mothers day, and lots of bargirls are mothers.

I would not be surprised if Butterflys has multiple BFs depending if girl from agency or not, and maybe bath girls are different to stage girls. I probably once knew but have forgotten now, since I don't frequent this bar. Time of night dependent BFs are possible too.