Berlin

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1376384]I'm totally by Wanking's side about the mathematics. To start off, I can't figure out what it will be like to me to step into a place where there are some 20 (can't imagine 70!) naked Beautiful (mind the "B") girls available, maybe I'll bang my head against the ceiling![/QUOTE]Far be it from me to speak for Dr Wan but he is taps into a deep spiritual zone that few can match or understand (probably including himself). None of that takes away what a lovable character he is. By the way his new flavor of the week club http://www.cleopatra-arena.de/start.htm has one of the snappiest staff graphics around and worth a look.

Anyway, as I said to each his own-just remember that there is more to life than mathematics. And on the numbers front - things are what they are and Berlin costs are Berlin costs. If Bucharest is so much cheaper (and of course we here all the time how much better it is in Kiev, or Zurich, or Frankfurt, or Madrid, or Bangkok, or those wild Klingon bars), well there is where you should go assuming of course the girls and service are as nice (which actually I kind of doubt). You can always find action that costs more and some which costs less. I think Berlin has a pretty good sweet spot of hot girls, eager to please, not too expensive, safe places, and good overall vibe, but it does not matter really - it is what it is.

[QUOTE]My intention in Artemis is to stay as shortly as possible. I don't mean to brag my performances, I don't take pills but I'm a sort of machine, crazy for sex and Beautiful girls. I couldn't hang around just talking, watching, or relaxing somehow being surrounded by all those treasures, I would like to get as many as I can, a financial disaster. Also I have the problem of condoms, often I don't release because I don't feel that much. 30 mins is a risky allowance, I may unload with the first girl, but with the others it would be frustrating and costly to try further shots.[/QUOTE]A man-crazy for sex and beautiful girls-puts you into quite an elite club (say perhaps only 90% of the planet's male population past the age of 12). Just get a grip man. I mean what kind of goal is it to stay at a club for "as short a time as possible"? The most efficient solution is obviously, don't go. Just watch youTube videos of it, for free.

Then (this works best if you don't breathe while reading it out loud slowly) you are a (modest) machine and just go crazy with girls but then condoms are a drag and the "machine" does not always work and there is all this pressure to cum and so somehow the answer is the sexual smorgesborg of Caligula, presumably so that if things don't work out, not so many Euros down the toilet. Quite the logic package.

Anyway-I would head to Insomnia before any of the others, just because for roughly the same price, it's got a better clientele, and cleaner, and more entertaining. In any case, you can get BBBJs in all places, depending upon the girl and mood, for anywhere from free to 20-30 Eur in the Cali KG scene. Nothing would turn me on more than knowing some provider has blown BB 20 other guys that day, or in the past hour, maybe with a little AO thrown in - I mean it just does not get much better than that does it? And all for so little cost (well at least up front). There are different tastes, and then there are tastes which really taste differently.....

Although Wanking, our esteemed Zimmerbaby, and some others should weigh in on Erlebniswohnung. all these places IMHO have additional risks with lots of fluids flying around, and I am not prepared to run them. One thing you must understand-such things are very different when one is a single man vs having a partner. Many of our more daring muschi mattadors are indeed single, freebirds.

On the condom front, there is something simple and sensible you can do. Bring your own, which can fit better and be more sensitive (I find non-latex such as urethane based materials far more pleasurable than the usual latex trash bags).

Seems like maybe a day at the Love Bahnhoff where you just chill, slow down, hit the sauna and pool, develop a little distance and discipline, relax and learn to maybe enjoy the show and the ride vs the destination might be just the thing. Maybe even the cost might help you choose more wisely? Anyway-try both and let us know how you survive. Good luck with it all.

Thanks. Do you mind if I ask is there a specific google map project you are referring to? Sounds interesting.

[quote]What I meant by expensive is that at Artemis you pay also the admission 80E so if you are only looking for one shag than 240E is quite expensive just to get some anal. Kamilla Dee brothel sounds good maybe. Not sure yet how close that is to where I will be in Charlottenburg.

A 160€ for anal + ordinary "ficken und blasen" is a good price, especially compared to what you would have to pay in Sweden. Take a look at the google map project and you will find a couple of mid-ranged bordellos where you can find this extra fairly cheap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1376403]I am pretty sure most these questions are answered in various posts on the forum if you take a look back at older posts. Or maybe WK has the energy to repeat himself? Not sure if he actually made it to Caligula or KG though. But for inexpensive experiences with quantity as the defining factor he is your man in the hot seat.

As for my one KG experience you can find it linked through my blog.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=310[/url]

AM[/QUOTE]I have now read your report, and it was very well-written, entertaining and also funny. KG:s seem a litle more "posh" than Caligula, at least when just comparing the interior of the club [from what I can see, looking at their webpage]. After reading the report I can also constatate that these types of establishments [flat-rates] are not for me. As discussed earlier in the thread what would be intresting are some type of "boutiqe bordello" where you could have drinks at moderate prices, and picking up nice working girls. Maybe La Folie is the closest thing to being just that, it doesn't seem like a regular FKK, looking at their website. I mean they don't show any pictures or talk about the wellness part on their site [sauna, bath or massage] at all. And that's not so important to me, but it seems quite strange to take a shower and undress just to be able to hang out in a bar. I can understand the showering part before and after sexual activities, but otherwise not this concept.

[QUOTE=Finite;1376437]. Maybe La Folie is the closest thing to being just that, it doesn't seem like a regular FKK, looking at their website. I mean they don't show any pictures or talk about the wellness part on their site [sauna, bath or massage] at all. And that's not so important to me, but it seems quite strange to take a shower and undress just to be able to hang out in a bar. I can understand the showering part before and after sexual activities, but otherwise not this concept.[/QUOTE]La Folie is a bar with FKK overtones. You enter, disrobe completely and sit in the bar with nothing but a small towel which is for covering the bar stool, not your johnson (penis). While the entry fee is much cheaper than Artemis (€14 last time I checked) the quality of girls is lower and the room price and extra prices are similar to Artemis, maybe a bit cheaper on the extras. One can easily spend €200 there in an evening for a couple of sessions. So in the end it is not that much better price wise than Artemis and the facilities , and as mentioned the girls, are generally disappointing. Plus they do the piccolo game (buy me a picolo) which is simply annoying unless you really do want to buy the girl a €25 bottle of bad sparkling wine.

Not really recommended.

I think for discount sex Erlebniswohunung might be the best bet as by all reports the girls there are acceptable to all but the most picky mongers (i.e Rocketboy) What keeps me away is that it is a gangbang atmosphere which kind of turns me off. I like alone time with the ladies.


You might also look into L'amour2a. While not really top deck they do harbour some cuties and have a bar for some face time before deciding if you want that.

[url]http://www.lamour2a.de/[/url]

Also Apropos, a bar connected to La Dolce Vita II on Neuköln. I have not been there in a long time but remember they did have some cuties from time to time.

[url]http://apropos24.info/index.html[/url]

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1376444]La Folie is a bar with FKK overtones. You enter, disrobe completely and sit in the bar with nothing but a small towel which is for covering the bar stool, not your johnson (penis). While the entry fee is much cheaper than Artemis (€14 last time I checked) the quality of girls is lower and the room price and extra prices are similar to Artemis, maybe a bit cheaper on the extras. One can easily spend €200 there in an evening for a couple of sessions. So in the end it is not that much better price wise than Artemis and the facilities and, as mentioned the girls, are generally disappointing. Plus they do the piccolo game (buy me a picolo) which is simply annoying unless you really do want to buy the girl a €25 bottle of bad sparkling wine.

Not really recommended.

I think fr discount sex Erlebniswohunung might be the best bet as by all reports the girls there are acceptable to all but the most picky mongers (I. E Rocketboy) What keeps me away is that it is a gangbang atmosphere which kind of turns me off. I like alone time with the ladies.

AM[/QUOTE]Hmm. Not at all what I'm looking for, even though the "picolo game" and sex are fairly cheap in Germany. Lost a lot of money in Barcelona in a up-scale puticlub that way. Neither I are in to gangbangs, and the price isn't such a big issue for me, but I don't want to over-pay. Artemis is the safe choice off course, but it has it's disadvantages also [high priced drinks, and I don't like it when it's over-crowded].

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1376444]You might also look into L'amour2a. While not really top deck they do harbour some cuties and have a bar for some face time before deciding if you want that.

http://www.lamour2a.de/

Also Apropos, a bar connected to La Dolce Vita II on Neuköln. I have not been there in a long time but remember they did have some cuties from time to time.

http://apropos24.info/index.html[/QUOTE]

I'll do a report on La Dolce Vita II, when i visit Berlin next time.

Angus,

I state in advance that what I'm writing must be taken with a smile, since I don't mean to offend or upset anyone, I'm glad and grateful to get responses to my questions (me myself have answered on the forum RTFF to newbies asking things that were written a few lines underneath, but Germany threads are immense) and I'm not good at using computer and ISG's bugs (I don't know how to quote a part of a post and I can't manage to use smilies, not even by punctuation) , so please excuse me and remember to imagine a smilie at the end of each sentence.

I've read your report (and some following it) about Caligula, funny to click for your blog to click back for page 149 (did you really want me to go back reading that far?) of ISG. Is that a way to advertise your blog? Anyway it's a great report, even if written by a man who got drunk after being cheated by a water-pouring cocktail bartender. Luckily you live 3 mins away, which means you can anyway give daily updates!

Back to seriousness, you lowered my 'enthusiasm' for this kind of experience. However I'the like to know the length of a standard session. I mean, if you haven't unloaded, how much time can you stay with the same girl? I remember in the past an answer reckoning some 20 mins, not enough for quick men either, if that's correct.

Thanks, Cheers

Rocketboy0,

I thank you for your infos and opinions, which I respect and already said I find reasonable. Opinions can be as important as mere numbers, since they help to fulfill infos. I agree on many things you say, but I think you put some 'bad pepper', really not needed, on what I say, think or need.

Obviously to each is own, it works for you and it must work for everyone, including me. Luckily for you, maybe you live in Germany, so you are used to great facilities, wide choice, etc, in short all diamonds. I'm used to much much less, so I'm a bit basic and rough, I just want it and go for it, I don't claim that my ways are better than yours, it's just that we are set for (and prone to) different caterings. At the moment, my intention is to come just once to Germany, to put the flag on my risiko collection as a 'normal' tourist and for the various sex experiences, some probably unique or nearly unique, that can be had. Honestly at the moment I think I might do a second trip in a far future just for AO, because I find Germany too costly for me, meaning needs, ratios, desires, etc. If I find it that good, I'll obviously come back more times.

By the way, to scratch off some pepper:

I'the say only Bangkok, among the cities you mentioned, can be said to be, at least in the overall, a good or better alternative;

Bucharest is where I plan to go back many times between other 'just once' trips. Don't forget, if you didn't realize it yet, that Romania is the factory and main supplier of your dolls, in Bucharest I don't have to pay "VAT" and other "surcharges". Maybe the service won't be the same, but it's just a 'maybe', and for what it costs over there it is not even a big worry, I read complaints also in Germany's threads, and probably the disappointment is bigger due to their costs;

About being sex-crazy, in the previous post I've put it in a laughing way, but if you can concentrate on watching a football match or swimming in a pool while being surrounded by 70+ naked Beautiful available girls, probably you have less hormones than me, or you are so used to it that you don't mind pussies anymore. I'm not used, but I think I'the never be used enough;

About liking B-eautiful girls, well, I know so many men who go with whatever can breathe and are happy and satisfied that I thought about declaring my preference. I've seen many internet sites of German 'sex providers', and seen plenty of women I wouldn't touch. For instance, to be honest, I wasn't impressed by the girls in the photos on Caligula and King George's sites;

My 'modest' statement of being a machine was referred to erection, time I can last before unloading (if) , time I need to recover (normally I remain hard) , not to the times I can release. I just wrote that to 'justify' my needs and requests, not to brag or set up discussions, comparisons, etc. I honestly wonder how a man can release (and what? One drop?) 6, 8, or more times in one day, but I don't question it. To each his own.

Clarified these points, I agree and share your concerns about diseases and swingers (which also would turn off my machine since it works without other cocks or eyes around) , but not about BBBJ. It may seem uncoherent, but, once again, it's my way: I love it, I feel it, I know it's not terribly dangerous. Anyway I don't want to live on wanks or just condoms that so severely limit my sexual pleasure.

Summing up, I'll come to Germany for my overall pleasure and for trying some new experiences, that's it. My thoughts, my needs, my evaluations are just my own, whether agreeable or not.

The purpose of this forum is to provide and exchange infos, my purpose is not to create arguments or unnecessary debates. So, once again, thanks to you and to those who report. I'll do mine ones after returning.

Respectfully,

EG

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1376550]I've seen many internet sites of German 'sex providers', and seen plenty of women I wouldn't touch. For instance, to be honest, I wasn't impressed by the girls in the photos on Caligula and King George's sites[/QUOTE]E-Now you have indeed grasped the subtle concept. Think about what kind of girls this business model attracts, and just decide if it is for you.

As others (and me) have suggested, if you really want to go this route, Insomnia or Erlebniswohnung are possibly other options. I did try the former as I reported; I would not try the latter, but many rave about them as you can see from their various Forum comments.

Look my intent is absolutely not to prescribe how others should get their kicks- just to point out the implications of choices. The various options have sprung up, responding to different markets. I assure you I have no illusions about P4P and as I said repeatedly, to each his own. I have a German mate who loves Caligula, and he dragged a friend to it. He was disgusted and left without spilling a drop, though 99 Eur less in his pocket. I enjoy both of their company, and how they tell the story. I have heard enough that I am not remotely curious. I simply find life sleazy enough without having to pay for it. But I recognize others get off on it. If that is your thing, fine. Just know what you are literally getting into.

I just wanted to say that there might be another level to your play if you thought more about quality vs quantity. If you just want to shove the love worm into as many holes as possible for the least cost, while running a few risks, the way forward is clear. If you want a chance for a "connection" and more of an exchange between 2 bodies (vs just yours) , that path points elsewhere.

Let us be honest, P4P while by definition has less strings than a relationship, it does have its own set of odd pressures-you have paid, you want performance and bang for the buck, etc, from an act that is actually emotional and cannot guarantee this (a cuntundrum). You seem to put the whole thing under some pressure, when it might be more fun to take your foot off the gas pedal. You might find you enjoy it more, and find as you said another way between condoms and wanking. It should be fun. It actually can be more than fun. You will have to find your own way.

I might have been in an especially foul mood yesterday as the NE Patriots lost the semi final US Football championship game they should not have, and someone had to pay, so sorry for that. Anyway, I am sure you will mix it up in dass Pussyland and explore what works for you. Good luck in any case. Finis.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1376537]I'm not good at using computer and ISG's bugs (I don't know how to quote a part of a post[/QUOTE]Welcome to computer-illiterates-are-us! But at least with quoting a part of a post I can help: When you are replying to a post, you simply go into the quoted text above and delete everything you don't want to quote. If you then want seperate quotes of different parts of what's left, then you have to put in "QUOTE" and "/QUOTE" with the "[" and "]" around them into the text at the place where you want to make the incision. Then you put your reply in-between.

And thanks for asking! You're obviously not the only one with the same problem. Lately there has been an awfully big amount of posts of only one line or two with a quote of an entire large report attached to it, even if the original report is directly underneath. I consider this to be a complete waste of forum-space, and I'm not alone in that regard. Wanking and I and others have asked several times NOT to do something like that, but without much success. A few days ago I've had it with that and simply reported two posts with half a meter of quote for only a one-line-reply to Jackson. He agreed with me, deleted those quotes and left the one-line-replies on. Nothing lost since the original report was directly underneath.
Here's a recent example of what I mean. Fortunately in this case, the original report isn't all that long. Still, it would have sufficed if he only had written something like: "Vito, how do the gils at Vulkanstraße compare to those in Düsseldorf?" instead of quoting the entire report which is directly underneath anyway. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?686-Other-Areas&p=1376489&viewfull=1#post1376489[/url]

So thanks again about outing yourself as having trouble handling the computer; now everybody knows how to shorten a quote and the forum will hopefully not get spammed unnecessarily anymore. And here's some advice on another problem again: If you put an URL into the report via the edit-function after you uploaded it, the link will not work. You have to put "url" and "/url" with the "[" and "]" around them in manually while editing, and then the link will work.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1376715]Welcome to computer-illiterates-are-us! But at least with quoting a part of a post I can help: When you are replying to a post, you simply go into the quoted text above and delete everything you don't want to quote.

SL, my light in the darkness, you remember I'm a fan of yours and try to help me! What a great hearted man! I'm sorry you don't live in Berlin, I'd really like to know you. If I was a journalist I would travel to interview you, unfortunately I'm just a cheap bastard. Currently I'm scheduling other trips, I wouldn't dislike to get a connection around Dusseldorf if I could find one, the problem is that I would end up in some AO dens on my own, and if I met you there would be no escape at all. But maybe I'm going too far with fantasy, after all on ISG we are basically a family of pen pals, and meeting up might spoil the image and the feeling.

Now I try to put into practice your instructions. The only part I managed to put into practice is to cut off the unwanted parts, I edited this post after seeing it in the forum, perfect result. for the rest I'll make some attempts in some dead threads, since I don't want to bother anymore, but still seems tough. Mmmh, first attempt was good, your part even came out inside blue box, after editing is an unwatchable all white. Now I make third and last, whatever comes out I'll leave it.

Cheers and thanks anyway

P.S. Rocketboy0, no problem, ok

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1376819]

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1376715]Welcome to computer-illiterates-are-us! But at least with quoting a part of a post I can help: When you are replying to a post, you simply go into the quoted text above and delete everything you don't want to quote.[/QUOTE]What you missed in this post was closing the quote[/QUOTE]At the end. You can always go back and edit if it does not look right by hitting edit post. This way you can also fix a stupid little thing the forum auto-correct does.

And note that my quote code got tagged on to the end of you quote which is why it a appears as a quote within a quote. I kind of liked it so I left it

AM

I was in Berlin in November and stayed in a hotel near Hackescher Markt. I took a walk after a very late dinner down Oranienburger strasse past the new Synangogue. The place is crawling with well dressed hookers. Anyone try them? What is the going rate?

[QUOTE=Le Grand;1376829]I was in Berlin in November and stayed in a hotel near Hackescher Markt. I took a walk after a very late dinner down Oranienburger strasse past the new Synangogue. The place is crawling with well dressed hookers. Anyone try them? What is the going rate?[/QUOTE]They will probably start off at €80 for the half hour. Once you get to the room the price will escalate quickly with every little thing you want to do. Take the bra off? Extra. Touch her breast? Extra. How much it will end up costing God only knows. It depends on how drunk you are and how soon you realise that you are being hustled.

There are much better options in Berlin.

Read the thread.

A

To quote others quoting others, really, R T F F.

Increasingly so much of what is being asked has really been covered before if you just take the time to look back.

It does seem that many find this too difficult, or this is just part of our generation's attention deficit disorder, where if it isn't some instant app fact, people just can't be bothered.

Maybe some of you computer experts (SL) can explain (yet again) how to do searches???? for those unable to just read the forum FAQs.

[Quote]or paraphrasing.

[QUOTE]Oranienburg Fleece Meisters have been talked about [i]ad nauseum[/i] by Belvaros and others. Use search terms.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1376832]There are much better options in Berlin. Read the thread. A[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1376840]To quote others quoting others, really, R T F F.

Increasingly so much of what is being asked has really been covered before if you just take the time to look back.

It does seem that many find this too difficult, or this is just part of our generation's attention deficit disorder, where if it isn't some instant app fact, people just can't be bothered.

Maybe some of you computer experts (SL) can explain (yet again) how to do searches? For those unable to just read the forum FAQs.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1376840]I might have been in an especially foul mood yesterday as the NE Patriots lost the semi final US Football championship game they should not have, and someone had to pay, so sorry for that.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]So who lost the football game this time? Or is it still a Patriot funk.

AM