Kyiv

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I don't think all the interest is about price, although that is certainly part of it. I think the bigger factor is restoring the value of foreign mongers to starry-eyed dyevs. Yes, we might all hope to save a few shekels on straight P4P, once the true impact is felt. But more interesting is the prospect of motivating young flesh to once again view us as highly desirable dating prospects, and to vanquish all the Benz-driving Yuris, who were stealing our girls (okay, stealing back THEIR girls) back to Lada status.

Being viewed as big, strong, green-back earning foreign god with possible immigration advantages is the value of this whole devaluation...[/QUOTE]Excatly Gentleman Travel. I coudn't have said it any better.

It's not about saving 50 bucks on a prostitute but restoring our status as highly appreciated foreigners and not simply stuipd cash machines.

Lifesavour,

Sounds like you had the right idea with the party. The benefits of living in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]IT, try and contain yourself, please.

According to a report from the Central Bank today, the dollar increased in value by 65% this year, the Euro by 59%. And I agree, it will get worse (or better, depending on your perspective) over the next few months.

Since it will get worse for the grivna, I am afraid we will once again see the dreaded symbol "y.e." or "agreed units" for those who did not experience this a few short years ago. It is just shorthand for dollars or euros. The grivna is sure to be a once-again forgotten and unwanted currency soon.[/QUOTE]

It might come the ye again.... and on ground the buy half from EU and half from $$ area who knows if a ye will be a $ or a €???

IT

Hi all,

I just wounder how much cash you all suggest to take with down to Kiev, of course as everything else it depends. But let put it like this, how much money did you all had with you to Kiev and how many days/weeks was you there?

IT,

If it does come back to Y.E., then it will be up to the seller to decide whether to charge in dollars or euros.

I suspect that our ladies are now smart enough to know who is who and if you are an American, you will get away with being charged in dollars :), if European, sorry, you will have to pay in euros :(.

That is the way it mostly was before.

[QUOTE=Sheek]Rp:

Initial asking price varies from $300 to $500 depending on looks. Negotiation will bring this down to $150 (prices quoted for the night. I was asking them to stay until noon). Negotiation was fun. You get to deploy a bit of game and see numerical returns ("discount" on price).

A couple of guys I met there told me it was a sausage fest on New Year's Eve as management was asking the girls to pay the same price for entry as the guys (I think it was $300? For entry on the night).

On the 1st it was still a seller's market and it was hard to get some girls to move from $500. Some patience and negotiation got me a girl for 1200 hryvnas until 9am (I was leaving for the airport at 1230).

Normal clubs:

Like Ash said, the scene was a bit cold, especially given the friendliness of the ladies in bars and on the street. I got loads of numbers but no one-night stands. Maybe my game needs sharpening up.

A word of advice: Saying you are in Kiev for a short commitment (like "holidays") is a major turn-off for the ladies. I kept meaning to say "I live in Kiev" when asked what I was doing there, but "holidays" is what always came out. Bloody inability to lie!

Great respect to Ash, by the way. The man has game and perseverence. Ash, thanks for the company in Kiev.

New Year's eve:

Irish Lad was kind enough to invite me to Shooter's. It started out slow, but by 1am it was good. The ladies were friendly, but I ended up with just numbers again (1 of them was stunning, by the way).

Irish Lad, many many thanks for the company and advice in Kiev.

And that's my 50 cents for Kiev.

Happy new year,

Sheek[/QUOTE]
Yes good report, I was in Kiev in last Sommer and ws nice to see the girls on the min street wit theier sexy clothes. My place was this main street and Mc Donalds too for the teens or students looking for some extramone an some profesionals too. River Palace, not my place for the high price and ladies there. Last Autumm was different, o cold for the street but in some Disco some ver nice gilrs, hoever the prices high even with the financil crsis at that time. I ln next March and wonder how is the sitution at that time regarding the now very hard sitution for the people there, prices going down and attitude of the ladies desperte?. Also wonder the places at that time in Mh? still the main street and Mc Donald and Arena too? any advice s welcome. Thanks

I am sure this article will enlight your minds:

[url]http://x-stars.ru/x-news767.html#767[/url]

ORIGINAL ARTICLE:

Именно так финансовый кризис отразился на доходах обычной харьковской проститутки. В этом проститутки признались правоохранителям.

«Клиентов стало намного меньше. Поэтому и заработка нет», – говорят харьковские проститутки, отмечая, что виноват кризис и холода.

Харьковские проститутки решили пересмотреть расценки на свои услуги. В отличие от Киева, где платный секс и проститутки подешевели, в Первой столице цена на услуги проститутки выросла. Если раньше услуги проститутки обходились в 250 гривен, то теперь они стоят 350.

Некоторые проститутки даже подумывают сменить профессию и говорят, что хотели бы получить высшее образование.

В то же время сообщают, что количество проституток на харьковских улицах увеличилось.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION BY [url]WWW.IMTRANSLATOR.COM:[/url]

So financial crisis was reflected in incomes of the usual Kharkov prostitute. Prostitutes have admitted it правоохранителям.

« Clients became much less. Therefore and earnings is not present », – the Kharkov prostitutes speak, marking, that crisis and colds is guilty.

The Kharkov prostitutes have decided to reconsider quotations on the services. Unlike Kiev where and prostitutes have fallen in price paid sex, in the First capital the price for services of the prostitute has grown. If before service of the prostitute managed in 250 grivnas now they cost 350.

Some prostitutes even think to replace a trade and speak, that would like to receive higher education.

At the same time inform, that the quantity of prostitutes in the Kharkov streets has increased.

COMMENT:

I am sure this is a general trend in all over the world. Where is the point? The point is:
- prices must be downsized, there are no reasons that prices are the same or increased, no reasons!
- read prices in that article, read again, yes, the higher price is 350 grivnas! for what? Usually for a swallow blowjob (Slavics are not usually silly like Westerns)!

Think about that, people, when you pay 100$ for an easy vaginal sex. We, gentlemen, must receive much more more more respect from Ukrainian girls. And I am sure the best deal for both, mongers and prostitutes, is a trusty relationship each other.

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[QUOTE=Uke Boy]IT,

If it does come back to Y.E., then it will be up to the seller to decide whether to charge in dollars or euros.

I suspect that our ladies are now smart enough to know who is who and if you are an American, you will get away with being charged in dollars :), if European, sorry, you will have to pay in euros :(.

That is the way it mostly was before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I am sure this article will enlight your minds:

[url]http://x-stars.ru/x-news767.html#767[/url]

ORIGINAL ARTICLE:

Именно так финансовый кризис отразился на доходах обычной харьковской проститутки. В этом проститутки признались правоохранителям.

«Клиентов стало намного меньше. Поэтому и заработка нет», – говорят харьковские проститутки, отмечая, что виноват кризис и холода.

Харьковские проститутки решили пересмотреть расценки на свои услуги. В отличие от Киева, где платный секс и проститутки подешевели, в Первой столице цена на услуги проститутки выросла. Если раньше услуги проститутки обходились в 250 гривен, то теперь они стоят 350.

Некоторые проститутки даже подумывают сменить профессию и говорят, что хотели бы получить высшее образование.

В то же время сообщают, что количество проституток на харьковских улицах увеличилось.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION BY [url]WWW.IMTRANSLATOR.COM:[/url]

So financial crisis was reflected in incomes of the usual Kharkov prostitute. Prostitutes have admitted it правоохранителям.

« Clients became much less. Therefore and earnings is not present », – the Kharkov prostitutes speak, marking, that crisis and colds is guilty.

The Kharkov prostitutes have decided to reconsider quotations on the services. Unlike Kiev where and prostitutes have fallen in price paid sex, in the First capital the price for services of the prostitute has grown. If before service of the prostitute managed in 250 grivnas now they cost 350.

Some prostitutes even think to replace a trade and speak, that would like to receive higher education.

At the same time inform, that the quantity of prostitutes in the Kharkov streets has increased.

COMMENT:

I am sure this is a general trend in all over the world. Where is the point? The point is:
- prices must be downsized, there are no reasons that prices are the same or increased, no reasons!

- read prices in that article, read again, yes, the higher price is 350 grivnas! for what? Usually for a swallow blowjob (Slavics are not usually silly like Westerns)!

Think about that, people, when you pay 100$ for an easy vaginal sex. We, gentlemen, must receive much more more more respect from Ukrainian girls. And I am sure the best deal for both, mongers and prostitutes, is a trusty relationship each other.[/QUOTE]My friend 35 e is cheap for a lousy prostitutes blow job? Believe me these bitches they fack many taxi drivers just to take them home[village girls mostly]

I speak Russian good enought to see that in most cases their sex worth 3-4 times less than that I like ucrain girls a lot more than all the others east tsupid girls, but this is the truth Happy 100$ hunting.

[QUOTE=Refresh 1]Hi all,

I just wounder how much cash you all suggest to take with down to Kiev, of course as everything else it depends. But let put it like this, how much money did you all had with you to Kiev and how many days/weeks was you there?[/QUOTE]

Apt cost me $160US for 4 days that was summer of '07, doubt it has changed much if not cheaper.

RP is expensive I didn't partake, part-timer offered $150US and something tells me if I had taken her up on the offer, I could have had her for the rest of the week for very little outlay overall, including overnight.

I would say your value is going to come from the part-timers you find in places like Shooters.

This is assuming you don't know any Russian or Ukrainian like me. Plus I'm Black and don't look African so I looked out of place so to speak. The girl sat next to me and bumped me on purpose and struck up a conversation, that's all it took.

I knew I should have taken the offer, I ended up banging the girl I saw a day or so later which was not worth it based on the damage control I had to engage in afterwards which was totally stupid because she fucked me again later that evening, no drama even got it on camera....

But I've told that story about 4 times now, lol Basically depending on what skill set you have, either game, being able to speak the local language will all have an effect on your overall spending. Also time is a factor, I had basically 4 days and 3 nights in Kiev, not enough time to get any results on the "freebie" front while on the ground, I cultivated the girl above online a couple of months before and didn't plan on seeing her until other things fell apart...

Use this site and put your plan together, most of your questions have been answered.

[QUOTE=Sheek]Rp:

Initial asking price varies from $300 to $500 depending on looks. Negotiation will bring this down to $150 (prices quoted for the night. I was asking them to stay until noon). Negotiation was fun. You get to deploy a bit of game and see numerical returns ("discount" on price).

A couple of guys I met there told me it was a sausage fest on New Year's Eve as management was asking the girls to pay the same price for entry as the guys (I think it was $300? For entry on the night).

On the 1st it was still a seller's market and it was hard to get some girls to move from $500. Some patience and negotiation got me a girl for 1200 hryvnas until 9am (I was leaving for the airport at 1230).

Normal clubs:

Like Ash said, the scene was a bit cold, especially given the friendliness of the ladies in bars and on the street. I got loads of numbers but no one-night stands. Maybe my game needs sharpening up.

A word of advice: Saying you are in Kiev for a short commitment (like "holidays") is a major turn-off for the ladies. I kept meaning to say "I live in Kiev" when asked what I was doing there, but "holidays" is what always came out. Bloody inability to lie!

Great respect to Ash, by the way. The man has game and perseverence. Ash, thanks for the company in Kiev.

New Year's eve:

Irish Lad was kind enough to invite me to Shooter's. It started out slow, but by 1am it was good. The ladies were friendly, but I ended up with just numbers again (1 of them was stunning, by the way).

Irish Lad, many many thanks for the company and advice in Kiev.

And that's my 50 cents for Kiev.

Happy new year,

Sheek[/QUOTE]

Have to slightly disagree. Not knowing you personally I can't judge you on your "skills" but I think others will agree that in today's Kiev, normal girls just aren't giving it up as soon as they did several years ago when they were naive to Western dating tactics.

It takes 2-3 dates for it to pay off if not longer these days. Freebies are now a time oriented endeavor, if you got the time, go for it. If you don't, leave the poor girls alone and go to RP.

The Freebies are more difficult for a reason....

Maybe my "pure" intentions show through some of my post :)

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Have to slightly disagree. Not knowing you personally I can't judge you on your "skills" but I think others will agree that in today's Kiev, normal girls just aren't giving it up as soon as they did several years ago when they were naive to Western dating tactics.

It takes 2-3 dates for it to pay off if not longer these days. Freebies are now a time oriented endeavor, if you got the time, go for it. If you don't, leave the poor girls alone and go to RP.

The Freebies are more difficult for a reason....

Maybe my "pure" intentions show through some of my post :)[/QUOTE]

I'm happy I know some freebies sonce some time so... can still fuc* them... In my messages (I get from them) it seems there is a shortage of men with $$$ or €€€... hope I'm right!

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]I'm happy I know some freebies sonce some time so... can still fuc* them... In my messages (I get from them) it seems there is a shortage of men with $$$ or €€€... hope I'm right!

IT[/QUOTE]

Well I can go back and bang the girl I did before as well, I still talk to her. I'm not that interested really. Cost? Nothing....

I'm sure I can hang around the usual spots and find another part-timer or maybe the same one? Cost $100US maybe??

Ok, guys, please, notice me when there will be "sucks for dinners" in Kiev.

I am now in-country for a visit. I come here on business about every 50-60 days and try to add as many days possible to plow the field. I've been a regular reader and have chosen until now to remain anonymous. Many of you regulars are real characters and I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts. I am not a virgin p4p in kiev but not a regular either. I have been working hard with patience cultivating beautiful "normal & good" girls from dating sites online and to "seal the deals" when I arrive but I am striking out on my first prospect this trip who I thought would be a sure thing.

I will try again tomorrow with this girl but will cut my losses if no progress. I am in mood to order and have always ordered-in but having read many of your posts and I am now in the mood for some take out. RP sounds good for first time solo but would like some company anywhere from acomplished mongers both who've gone native or regular visitors to other newbies or less experienced.