Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]LOL. A poster just wrote in the Rio thread: But keep believing the gringo market is not affected by one monger or group of mongers when those same chicks used to take $25 for all night, but now will not budge off of $400-$1000 a night when the minimum wage is $200 per month. You guys do it to yourselves.[/QUOTE]This is correct, and to sweepingly say that "what others pay doesn't effect what you pay" is to say that consumer behavior doesn't effect pricing. That's ridiculous even for someone who halfway listened in high school. It's equally true that there are often a number of different markets in a large city. What spend thrifts / show offs do in the Medellin Facebook market will have no effect on the Centro street scene. There's also often little that can be done about rising prices and / or diminished quality of service. When a venue becomes well known there will always be guys coming and over paying and / or wimping out and paying girls in advance while accepting bad service without any complaint. That said there's still value in encouraging guys in a forum like this not to be part of the problem.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563929]So do you think that guys who could easily afford renting $ 1200 a night penthouses in Medellin, which I don't think there are many of, would also not go with 30 K hookers.[/QUOTE]Nope, we go to La Isla or Gusto.

I saw a small group today go through San Diego. It was more like a scene from Drumline than a protest. At first I thought they might have been celebrating the Man you match. It was peaceful except for the very angry rush hour drivers shaking their fists and honking their horns.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

The price is controlled by supply and demand, pure and simple. If it makes a mongerer feel like he is controlling price individually by the deals he strikes, more power to him, but it's delusional, plain and simple. The price is a result of and not a cause of market forces in play. Personalizing it, and injecting ego into the formula is irrelevant. Price went up over time because of increased demand and pretending like you can control that by sticking to a certain price, will eventually eliminate you from the market. That is where the desperation comes from with these mongers who are functioning on the edge already. Their sense of inevitability that says no matter how much they complain, point fingers, blame others for their failures, it's going to happen. You are going to get priced out and good riddance, jejeje. Some of the beliefs systems here are laughable.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]Exchange rate has nothing to do with it. Chicks do not ask money based on an exchange rate, although some mongers may pay based on one. Mongers come from all over the world. No hooker is going to distinguish what the exchange rate is for a Canadian monger versus an Indian monger versus a Japanese monger.[/QUOTE]Not sure what the type of gringo nationality has to do anything, but whatever.

I beg to differ, exchange rates do play a part. When working P4P Brasileiras are dealing with gringos / estrangeiros (of any nationality), they will often inflate / adjust their offers based on what the USD:BRL exchange rate is doing. I've often found they are very savvy to this knowledge.

That same standard of pussy ten (10) years ago, where she was asking R$150 (or US$100)/ for overnight sex (in Rio) for example, she is now asking R$500-600+ (or US$100). It's the same standard of overnight pussy for the same US$100 dollars, just 10 years later. However, the ask in US dollars is the same 10 years later, not so much in Brazilian Reals. Its 4 x to 5 x more, 10 years later.

Why because of inflation and exchange rates manipulating the ratios of value over the years. Today, if the exchange rate was 1:1 (USD:BRL), how many Brazileiras, do you think, are going to be advertising their asking price at R$500+ (US $500+). Let alone hordes of guys flying to Brazil to pay US$500+ for pernoite.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]Not me. I have already stated that. But apparently somebody is or we would not be having this discussion.

LOL. A poster just wrote in the Rio thread: But keep believing the gringo market is not affected by one monger or group of mongers when those same chicks used to take $25 for all night, but now will not budge off of $400-$1000 a night when the minimum wage is $200 per month. You guys do it to yourselves.[/QUOTE]

Although, you don't pay it (and nor do I), the ask (or the bid) is the ask. Take it or leave it. As is evidenced from the fine example you've provided from the Rio thread, [i]"...One of them literally said 'go fuck yourself if you can't afford it.' ".[/i] Pay it, don't pay it, "It's up to you..." as they say in SEA.

Whether or not a market caves-in due to guy(s) overpaying, will always be pure subjective speculation and will never just be the ONLY reason a particular P4P market is so called, "ruined".

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2563930] I walked by a beggar, who walked right up to me and I brushed him off a bit arrogantly. And he said something like "se vaya a la playa, yo." Either that means he would kill me or hopefully he just said something bizarre about the beach LOL.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I don't think he was talking about going to the beach or killing you. I suspect that he was talking about money, although playa is beach in Spanish, plata means money, so if it isn't that, then it's probably a saying or dicho. Maybe somebody knows what he was saying.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563861]Cool story bro. 50 yo talking like he's still in high school LOL.[/QUOTE]Seriously. "GAF".

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563796]10 yrs is not a long time, can you imagine multiplying all puta prices in Colombia by 10, wowwwwww.

May as well just hit Los Angeles strip clubs.

Puta price inflation is a deadly cancer to this hobby.[/QUOTE]Ten years ago the USD to COP exchange rate was approximately 1,700 Pesos and now is around 3,700 Pesos to the USD.

I believe that 10 years ago the Putas were more expensive than today in Colombia.

Assuming a Puta cost 20 K ten years ago, that would of costed around $ 9 USD, and let's say a Puta costing 30 K today would be around $ 8 USD.

I think others can confirm my belief that Puta pricing really hasn't increased over the past ten years, at least in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2563996]I beg to differ, exchange rates do play a part. When working P4P Brasileiras are dealing with gringos / estrangeiros (of any nationality), they will often inflate / adjust their offers based on what the USD:BRL exchange rate is doing. I've often found they are very savvy to this knowledge.[/QUOTE]We have totally different experiences then. I most certainly knew no hooker or establishment with hookers that asked for less reais when the exchange rate fell from 3.89 BRL to 1 USD to 1.52 BRL to 1 USD. I think you give them too much credit. Those broads can not count. In Tijuana the exchange rate for Mexican Pesos to USD has doubled to 20 to 1, but if you ask for a price in pesos instead of USD, the chicks are still doing it as if it was still 10 to 1. And we are talking about hookers here. I have well educated friends in Brazil that have no idea what the Real is to the USD and they do not care because none of their bills are in foreign currency. To say a hooker is savvy about this and adjusts prices accordingly seems far-fetched. If the exchange fell and they moved prices down because of it, they could no longer pay their rent. I maintain that they are not concerned with exchange rate. Their only concern is what customers are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563929]So do you think that guys who could easily afford renting $ 1200 a night penthouses in Medellin, which I don't think there are many of, would also not go with 30 K hookers.[/QUOTE]I think that the guys actually renting the high end penthouses probably aren't partying with the Veracruz street girls. Same deal with the guys spending $600-$1000 a night at Gusto.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563874]I think comparing 3rd world putas to high end sports cars is a horrible analogy, you can resell the car.

You can't resell the puta after you popped, I see it more akin to a bottle of wine $20 vs $20000.

https://freakonomics.com/2008/07/16/cheap-wine/

Sometimes you get what you pay for IE, Mercedes vs Hyundai.

Sometimes you don't.

With putas it doesn't apply, are there tiny variations in quality sure.

Not much.

I always want to be the top never the bottom.

Always the hunter never the prey.[/QUOTE]It's not my fault you're making generalizations.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563636]Rich people are smart with money they don't flush it down the toilet on 3rd world putas, if they were that dumb they wouldn't be rich.

Most "mongers" that overpay, do so out of pathetic desperation.

Show me someone that overpays 3rd world putas and I will show you someone with very low self-worth / self-esteem.

A fool and his loot soon part.

Most "rich" people are very frugal, that's how they got rich and that's how they stay that way.[/QUOTE]Or, did someone else post that under your name?

Let's nip this in the bud. Most rich people didn't get rich by being frugal. Most rich people got rich by being born to rich parents. If they were frugal there wouldn't be a first class section on airlines, there wouldn't be $50-$100 k per night hotel rooms, there wouldn't be $100 k wristwatches, the list goes on and on.

If rich people were smart with their money explain Bernie Madoff. All you have to do is spend 2 hours in Parque Lleras and you'll understand that you don't know much about rich people. They're as likely as anyone to pay much more than necessary.

There's a guy who spends a lot of time in both Medellin and Thailand, nice guy, I've met him a few times. It's a running joke with several of the ex-pats that you don't want to get any of his girls when he's done with them, because they'll expect too much. You have to give them a few months to get connected back to the normal price structure.

There are guys buying putas houses, cars, jewelry and it's not the guys who are maxing out their credit cards to go on vacation.

As for the rest, either you were drunk when you wrote it, or you've never been with a working girl:

"With putas it doesn't apply, are there tiny variations in quality sure. Not much."

Tiny variations in quality? The variations in quality are much greater than the variations between a Mercedes and a Hyundai, much greater than the variations between a Trabant and a Rolls Royce, much greater than the variations between a rusted tricycle with bent wheels and a Bugatti Veyron.

There are hookers with open sores who haven't bathed in weeks and there are hookers who are spending $1,000 or more just to get ready for their customer. There are hookers with bodies that would have convinced Michelangelo to give up boys and hookers who would turn your stomach before they took their clothes off. There are hookers who you can't get away from quick enough and hookers who can convince you that you're the world's greatest lover.

Go to any casa in Medellin and you will find much more than a "tiny" variation in quality. Walk around the Veracruz stroll and you'll find an even greater variation in quality. Visit any of the strip clubs, from Taberna Victoria to La Isla and you'll see.

If you don't believe there's much variation in quality, you've never been the "hunter", or the "top."

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563959]The lower the price the more she wants your milk, the higher the price the less she even wants to touch you.

Good luck having a good session whilst she is laying there with her eyes closed, high prices reflect a gag factor surcharge LOL.[/QUOTE]You expect me to believe that any of the girls in El Centro are only asking for 30 k from everyone because they really are desperate to have sex with everyone? Meanwhile the girls hanging all over the guys in Gusto, asking for $200 are disgusted by the guys there?

Does that translate to other areas as well? Do restaurants with $200 entrees just charge that much because they are disgusted by the customers? And the guys selling empanadas on the street love the customers?

Do you also believe gynecologists charge less for their more attractive patients?

Hookers don't "want your milk." They aren't spreading their legs and opening their mouths because they enjoy collecting sperm. It's a job. They do it for money. They don't show up at your door and suddenly lower or raise their rates because you look better or worse than they expected.

Not long ago you were complaining about people posting bad information and then you come out with this?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2564008]We have totally different experiences then. I most certainly knew no hooker or establishment with hookers that asked for less reais when the exchange rate fell from 3.89 BRL to 1 USD to 1.52 BRL to 1 USD. I think you give them too much credit. Those broads can not count. In Tijuana the exchange rate for Mexican Pesos to USD has doubled to 20 to 1, but if you ask for a price in pesos instead of USD, the chicks are still doing it as if it was still 10 to 1. And we are talking about hookers here. I have well educated friends in Brazil that have no idea what the Real is to the USD and they do not care because none of their bills are in foreign currency. To say a hooker is savvy about this and adjusts prices accordingly seems far-fetched. If the exchange fell and they moved prices down because of it, they could no longer pay their rent. I maintain that they are not concerned with exchange rate. Their only concern is what customers are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]Leave exchange rates out of it and focus on one thing, Inflation.

What was the average price for a dozen eggs 10 years ago? What is it today? Has it stayed the same? Unlikely. It boggles my mind that mongers expect the price of pussy to never increase, when the price of everything else is going up.

Whether one segment of one market (the gringo segment of the pussy market) is outpacing inflation is possible, but there are other factors to consider. Are there more or less gringos buying pussy now? Are they a larger or smaller segment of the total market?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2563963]There is tons of footage of this in FB etc. I have heard that a couple of hours after protests it was business as usual on 70. Chairs out and music blaring from the bars etc.

A BM who is on ground is recommending taking this shit seriously and not to venture to Laureles. Conflicted as I have trip coming up next week.[/QUOTE]I just realized reading my post that I mistyped, I meant to say it is NOT an isolated incident but that it is isolated to the area that these protests are planed for as the people in these videos are saying, if you follow the notifications about when and where the protests are and stay away. I am just not sure where they post these notices of where and when the protests are going to be.

I do not know if the couple that make the "How to expat" are in Laureles and I agree if this shit is going down like this on La70 then a person staying in that area could get penned down in their apartment or hotel for the at least as long as the protest lasted. I think that one guy who made the video with that shows protest footage stays in EL Poblado, I think the protests in Poblado have been in the area of Exito / Calle 10/ Cr 43 a. I hear that the protests in Envigado are peaceful because the old hit crew that was the equivalent of Murder Inc (the real mafia hitman firm not the hip hop music label) that took over the cartels after Escobar went down, they put out the word that if there was any violence in Envigado they would be the ones to end it.

So depending on what type of mongering you do I think could effect your decision, for example if you did Facebook chicas or any chicas that come to you maybe get an apartment in the upper side of Poblado or out in Envigado if you can find something that allows visitors, I have read in the past that some guys prefer staying out in Envigado because it is walkable are and quiet.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2563368]Follow this link.[/QUOTE]I have to admit I started this a couple of months ago and it works. I now have 42 connections (all chicas in Medellin and Cartagena). I am planning my trip for next year so should have over 100 by then. I also check their photos on google reverse image search, in a few cases I have found that the accounts are fake.

Thanks to JjBee62.