Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2448241]Chonburi PR have posted details of the latest order from the Governor to their Facebook (not sure if links to Facebook are allowed under ISG's "No links to competing forums" rule).

I believe the list is of businesses ordered closed runs to 31 July 2020 - it is slightly confusing as Google translates the date as 31 Nov. July 63 but this seems to be a Google translate problem where "Nov" is inserted into Thai dates, of course there is only 30 days in November. 63 is Buddhist era number for 2020.

The list reads (don't blame me for repetition and strange translation, this is how Chonburi PR posted it):

Cinema, cinema.

Pub Bar Entertainment.

Amusement Park.

Playground in water market and flea market.

Zoo Zoo.

Roller blade skating place.

Fun Billiards table.

Bowling game cabinet.

Game Shop Internet shop.

Public pool.

Rooster Stadium.

Fitness.

Conference Center, show center.

Museum of museum..[/QUOTE]Almost the entire city of Pattaya relies on tourists or foreign income to be able to run. No tourists means no money. No money means businesses stay closed or reduce their overhead including staff. Reduced overhead means poor quality or services. Yes this even means "to go orders and not sit down at Burger King" which is still in effect as of today the 6th. And it also means no key money or corruption money for the government. So it all starts with the tourists and ends with the to tourists. And lastly, no vaccine, fear, travel restrictions, new travel requirements, increased travel costs (to make up for loss revenue) and reduced income means less money for travel. So yeah Pattaya and Thailand is pretty fucked. For a country that relied so much on foreign dollars, they could have handled this differently and not shift blame on foreigners or those who travel. I don't hear about flights crews who travel to different countries having to quarantine when they arrive back their home country. Eventually, you guys will realize this was all along about "control" "the haves and the have nots. " When the "haves of the world" fear, they will exert their control over "the have nots. " All about this thing called ego, power and control. Because if you look at these two pics. Ask yourself. "Were they really that necessary to break the masks and social distancing rules that they apply to others?" Yes l, you donate 2,000,000 baht. Thanks. But now is it necessary to take a photo and stand less than 1 meter for what purpose? Ego and power? What about the cops and the drug bust. Good job. But now why are they able to do that in the pic? Power and ego. Pattaya is pretty much shut down even as they try to reopen some businesses. Tourist spending just isn't there. So these locals better be fucking nice to me and the girls better all let me CIM because I've been here 60 days with God knows how many more, spending about 2500 baht per day on my entertainment, sex, and food. Accommodation are taken care of separate. This money comes from outside their country. Add insult to injury, the USA pulled trade privileges with Thailand so now the Thais are really getting screwed with no Vaseline. Not sure who runs this country, but their decision making sucks. So yeah, this is over when those in power don't fear anymore. And if you think the government is all too blame for loss jobs, who do you think asked them to shut down the businesses do to lack of customers and revenue. That way is easier to blame the government rather than say you are fired because I have no money to pay you. We learned this in MBA school and in school of "life. " It's called scapegoating. We are approaching chaos, where what we do doesn't even make sense anymore. The end must be near.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2448846]I met a massage chick on WeChat a couple of weeks ago. She tried to get me for 500/hour to come over. No fucking way. Shop closed. So that means no shop to split the money with. You keep 100%. I pay you 200/hour. She gave in. Then she tried to send someone else. What is happening is that her and other girls from her shop are running the massages from the dating apps while the shop is closed. I said no way.. I want you to come, not someone I have not seen.

I had her stay 2 hours. When I tell you there were no extras on this menu. Even when I got up between hours to go to the toilet she ran clear to the other side of the room. I guess she thought I was going to try to attack her or something. Anyway, the shop she works at is on Walking Street. She said the rent for their shop is 150K/month.[/QUOTE]A coffee buddy uses WeChat, they are bugging him day and night. A standard narrow 2/3 level townhouse shop runs you 15,000 baht a month majority of the time these massage shops are empty, not sure how they afford it even if they are living in it my standard guess was they could because most likely got a Farang sending them money each month so this is the best they can do to get out of the business. So many don't have real education nor any income to ever attempt to open a shop like this reason as soon as they nap on to a Farang you hear them say " small money " this is the same for girls opening salons.

There aren't a lot of hanky panky massage places out here my regular place for 10 years have been closed and I can tell you having foot massages and Thai massages for the last ten years 3 plus times a week I'm starting to feel tight my brother has them come to his house that isn't my thing and I don't like going to their place since they usually don't have A / see my policy never do P4 P on your home ground you never know if you run into your neighbor?

I was told one of the top Gogo pays something like 500,000 baht a month on rent and that isn't including the key money needed each time to have the privilege of renewing on W. S. When I heard that I spend an evening courting the heads for nearly two hours trying to average the drinks, payroll etc. To figure if it was possible?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2448886] She said she does not play Line. She said that the memory on her phone was getting full so she deleted it. What does play Line mean? I see it as an essential communication application around these parts, not a game. To me what she was saying was akin to, "Damn my tool box is full, let me throw this hammer away. "[/QUOTE]She did a wrong translation from Thai to English.

When they say play computer, play internet, play phone or play anything else that is not related to a game, we should read "use", use the computer, use internet, use the phone.

So basically she said she doesn't use the Line application for whatever the reasons she quoted.

Yep, let's keep on confusing people to why it why not they should do something. Why are standards different for different people, different places, and different things? Franchises have more strict rules but their cleanliness and sanitation is better. Food stalls are poor and dirty in those areas but more relaxed. When people eat they are allowed to sit closer than 3 meters, mouths open, chewing food, and this is a droplet contagion. Yet when they sit, masked, they are expected to sit very far apart. Makes no sense at all. The people just want to know that the government sorta knows what it is doing. For the educated, we have no confidence in governments that are continually in debt and just print paper money or make people work longer and harder to make up for the inadequacy. By the way, the Tree Town food stalls just claimed the sidewalk in front of them. No more loitering or sitting on the sidewalk or carts. Chaos.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2448713]Once upon a time I spent 3000ST, 1500 BF, 1000 on drinks for this girl. Now she runs 2000, but does more freaky things because her options for customers is quite limited. So I introduced her to my friend, the "shocker" with a "snap. " What a champ![/QUOTE]I have done Mook too and spent about the same amount of money. But she stayed for LT instead. And went pretty wild after a few rounds of tequila in the room. She can be a Barbie but don't let that fool you folks out there, she can easily turn into Annabel.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2448709]I think you guys are old enough to know that governments lie, stretch the truth, and hide things from the public right? How do I know? It's because as humans, we all do the same to each other. I can with 1000% sureness, tell you that "cause of death numbers" are easily manipulated and have been. I have first hand experience when it comes to crap like that. Somebody who is positive of COVID-19 can easily be listed as Acute Respiratory Failure upon death or Renal Failure upon death. Government funding of healthcare means government influence when it comes to the data... SNIP[/QUOTE]Wrote the above a couple days back and saw this in the news today. Impressive for even Monkeypaw's standards. First hand knowledge is first hand knowledge. If you go back to my posts way back when, I spoke about being next to death beds and watching so many people take their last breaths, especially from HIV and AIDS. Hence bare back sex is now out the question for me. It's my prediction that one day, Coronavirus 19 will be equivalent to the common cold for the "right group of people" who have learned to build their own aura and immunity. The future of this world will be in the hands and minds of this group.

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/official-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-may-be-missing-many-n1201441[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2448842]They are not more expensive. You pay what you negotiate. The other day a chick told me 2000 for LT. I told her 1000. She immediately said okay. When she got here I asked her why she said 2000. She didn't say anything about her skin. She said because that is what guys at the Indian discos give her. Next time they come over ask them about their pricing strategy instead of us trying to guess at it.[/QUOTE]I have no such luck. Call me "unlucky" Ducky. I've tried to to bargain before and got "no" as an answer. I've reached a point where guys on this site have sent in their Thai girl connections. Hey if you are stuck in your own home country and can't be here to help these girls eat or pay rent. Let Monkeypaw do the charity for you. Honestly, better me than another person on this board right? Lots of weirdos and psychos out there. I'm pretty transparent and you haven't heard a bad thing come out of these girls mouths about me, especially since I drink a lot of pineapple juice. Hopefully by know you understand the Monkeypaw standards to what I am willing to fuck. Nothing beats the gift of giving when you are able to help out a girl in need through these harsh and desperate times, even though you are thousands of miles away. All it takes is a quick message "My buddy is in Pattaya and since you need money, he needs hot girls. Click and send."

P.S. Unless you don't believe in this sharing is caring stuff. I was sitting and eating mangosteen on Buakhao and can tell you now, the psychos are out hawking desperate chicks offering as low as 200-300 baht or some food and alcohol in exchange for bareback sex. Like I said, better me or them? Who knows when they will run into the next guy like the Irish Briit with the machete.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2448935]She did a wrong translation from Thai to English.

When they say play computer, play internet, play phone or play anything else that is not related to a game, we should read "use", use the computer, use internet, use the phone.

So basically she said she doesn't use the Line application for whatever the reasons she quoted.[/QUOTE]EXACTLY!

We take for granted and think because they speak some English that they can communicate exactly like us. They are missing so many words in their vocabulary so when they throw in a word they have used in the past to describe one situation and use it in another they don't know the meaning and think it is okay But it isn't it just confusing people if they aren't used to it. As you indicated they just play when it should be using " use ".

Another example when Mr. E, was having a conversation where he was located with the girl it was as simple as the girl not having enough vocabulary to tell him exactly where she was located so she use what she knew it can be confusing and frustrating to others. If she had the bullets in words she could describe exactly where she was located. I once use a word with a Thai lady said " do you realized " she snapped got angry " realized " was to her she was in the wrong and all her fault. Once I ducked and the knife flew by I never saw her again.

News just in on May 7th:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches[/URL]

Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449123]News just in on May 7th:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches[/URL]

Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.[/QUOTE]Containing the spread of COVID-19 is just an excuse. No tourist means no money. Means government doesn't get money. So they will close. It's the same as why are some restaurants still closed and some are open. It's about how much business and they can make. So what closed Walking Street was the lack of customers. I was there. Walking into Palace at 11 pm to only 9 girls on stage and 4 customers was sad. Even I thought, it's time to put them out of their misery and close shop. So the business owners made a few calls to their government buddies they pay off. The staff can't get mad to the government, so take the blame for us. Send them all home and packing. Hopefully this make sense. Look who works those beaches (vendors and water sports providers and lot attendants with their chairs). All pay a kick back. People using and trashing the beach for free fucks the government up.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449123] Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.[/QUOTE]There are the same stupid restrictions in France. I have the impression that all countries copy each other. It doesn't matter if the measures are absurd or not.

France is doing very well in this area. We are told that we will deconfine from May 11 but in fact there is almost nothing that changes and what will be released will be subject to such constraints that it will be unworkable or in indescribable chaos.

In my opinion the lockdown measures are absolutely not justified in Thailand if we consider the number of cases observed and the number of deaths. Mask wearing measures with common sense hygiene measures and ease of access to tests should be sufficient.

We have gone from a phase where we had to avoid the number of serious cases so as not to overload the hospitals to a phase where we must at all costs not catch the virus until we have found a vaccine. It's just impossible and completely disproportionate to covid-19 for which 80% of patients only need doliprane and rest.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449123]News just in on May 7th:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches[/URL]

Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.[/QUOTE]On the face of it Bangkok Post is playing a belated game of catch up. All Chonburi beaches have been closed for the last month or more.

The only reasons I can think of for running the story now are to tell the Bangkok hoards not to take a trip to the seaside, or because Chonburi beaches other than Banglamung are to be opened (eg Bang Saray and Bang Saen), but this is pure speculation on my part.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449134] common sense hygiene measures and ease of access to tests should be sufficient.[/QUOTE]The strange thing about common sense is its rarity, particularly in Thailand, especially in Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2448947]I have done Mook too and spent about the same amount of money. But she stayed for LT instead. And went pretty wild after a few rounds of tequila in the room. She can be a Barbie but don't let that fool you folks out there, she can easily turn into Annabel.[/QUOTE]What are your thoughts on her new nose? I prefer the original one to be honest. I can't ever take a girl long time (few occasions). It bothers me when they snore, breathe, move around or play on their phones. Normally, I drag them around to bars and other clubs, bang them, feed them, and send them home afterwards. I call it the 4 FS flaunt, fuck, feed and fifty (baht for taxi). Before the virus hit big time, I once barfine 4 girls from Palace. When to BONE with their special buy very nosey friend Kay. Partied like crazy and woke up the next day with 2 girls from Bacarra. No sex. I knew the girls from Baccara but I don't barfine them. They said they saw me walk around looking lost after the club was already shut down at 5 am. I had to pay them each 2000 for bringing me home. Not sure what happened that night. I blame it on Kay.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449134]It's just impossible and completely disproportionate to covid-19 for which 80% of patients only need doliprane and rest.[/QUOTE]The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.

[QUOTE=Allover;2448775]Absolutely true. I remember going to movies in Thailand and watching all the ads before the movie started. The ads only showed young, very light skinned Thais. Not a darker, Isaan complexion ever was shown on the screen.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Downandup;2448746]Thai's love the lighter skin, just look around at how much skin whitening creams and make-up are on sale.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2448745]No idea about local Thais but definitely in KL, where they are considered exotic / preferred. Just search for any KL escorts site and see Thai girls pictures, you will understand what I am saying.[/QUOTE]What I meant by "white" was not the color of skin. I meant more of the the "Eurasian" look. I get most Asian countries dig the white skin because it means that perhaps your lineage wasn't always poor rice farmers working in the hot sun. In the Philippines, "mestizas" are held in high regard. Not sure which is more preferred the Chinita mestiza (Chinese) or the Western mestiza. So that was what I was asking. Do the Thais prefer the Chinese mix look or the Western mix look as a higher standard. Go go bar girls will do what attracts their favorite customers with big bucks. I've seen them morph from Darkies all the way to the Korean or Japanese look. I go with whatever I'm attracted to, usually big eyes, slim, petite, long legs and hair, whatever that look is called. I wonder what the ranking would be especially looking at their beauty pageant winners history and movie stars. Maybe, they charge or want more to recover their surgical expenses is my guess.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2449038]I have no such luck. Call me "unlucky" Ducky. I've tried to to bargain before and got "no" as an answer. I've reached a point where guys on this site have sent in their Thai girl connections. Hey if you are stuck in your own home country and can't be here to help these girls eat or pay rent. Let Monkeypaw do the charity for you. Honestly, better me than another person on this board right? Lots of weirdos and psychos out there. I'm pretty transparent and you haven't heard a bad thing come out of these girls mouths about me, especially since I drink a lot of pineapple juice. Hopefully by know you understand the Monkeypaw standards to what I am willing to fuck. Nothing beats the gift of giving when you are able to help out a girl in need through these harsh and desperate times, even though you are thousands of miles away. All it takes is a quick message "My buddy is in Pattaya and since you need money, he needs hot girls. Click and send."

P.S. Unless you don't believe in this sharing is caring stuff. I was sitting and eating mangosteen on Buakhao and can tell you now, the psychos are out hawking desperate chicks offering as low as 200-300 baht or some food and alcohol in exchange for bareback sex. Like I said, better me or them? Who knows when they will run into the next guy like the Irish Briit with the machete.[/QUOTE]I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.

Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount. Now those fuglies sure will give you a huge discount. Its mostly a matter what a guy fancies. Those that like discounted girls like a girl who's face is not one of her strong points. Maybe a bit hefty, or too dark.

About Indians. Hahahaha.

I like LBM take on the economics of Pattaya. Personally for the majority of Pattaya girls I just don't see how they make money. In popular Nana Bar I see 10 girls barfined in 15 minutes many a time. In Pattaya one girl is barfined in one hour.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2449144]The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.[/QUOTE]We all don't want people to die. Got Milk?

However you cannot shut down the world because old People are dying a bit more than usual.

Hey folks,

Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
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[LIST]Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board[/LIST][LIST][b]Hotels[/b] - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing[/LIST][LIST][b]Soapies[/b] - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food[/LIST][LIST][b]GoGos[/b] - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away[/LIST][LIST][b]SOI 6[/b] - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up[/LIST][LIST][b]Walking Street[/b] - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.[/LIST][LIST][b]Beach Walkers[/b] - Most people agree that the quality here is a lot lower, but the price point is much lower as well. I have seen a few success stories, including that one where a guy could not have sex due to emergency surgery and he met a nice girl there who took care of him and gave him a two-hour blowjob... holy fuck, I need to get that girls number. But for the vast majority of people, they are telling me it's pretty slim pickings or gotta be a little desperate. You may find a gem, but gotta be willing to dig[/LIST][LIST][b]TF/TM[/b] - sounds like the girls play the game here too. Have a healthy mix of girls on there, plus your enjoyment from the street, bars, etc. Catfishing seems high on this, but asking for recent pics, and telling girls to take a hike if they are not themselves seems a common way. Most guys have not said this, but meet the girls in a lobby or somewhere else, if you wait until they get to your room, you might lower your standards A LOT just out of convenience.[/LIST][LIST][b]Money[/b] - some people are locals, some people are cheap-ass / broke visitors, some people are 2-week millionaires, and almost every level in between... almost all of them dislike the others for some reason or another. Here is my stance: Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.[/LIST][LIST][b]Food[/b] - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw [b]THREE[/b] restaurants listed. Pattaya brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters. Nice to see where our priorities are :) If anyone has any suggestions, more than[/LIST][LIST][b]Maps[/b] - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated. I made one that has almost every bar, BJ bar, hotel, gogo bar, soapie, etc on it. I need to find a way to share it anonymously, but once I do, I will share it with you all. I have no idea how accurate it's going to be after coronavirus, but I will try my best to update it then.[/LIST][LIST][b]White people[/b] - Most everyone on here thinks most punters are 50+ white people out of shape. Also, if you are white, expect the girls to always ask you for more money. Fuck that noise. I'm a lot younger, in shape, and want the girls to want me physically too. I know the primary rule, don't fall for a working girl and they will tell you anything. But you get WAY better service from my experience if they are attracted to your body and your wallet.[/LIST][LIST][b]Be specific[/b] Tons of guys want to bareback, most want anal, most want CIM, etc. Tell a girl upfront, and don't wait to get surprised. This may be a bit easier While this is a bit candid, most people are saying here it's pretty par for the course. Hi, nice to meet you, I'm in Pattaya this week, want to meet up? (Sure!) - Great, I want BBBJ, and cum on your face with tongue out[/LIST][LIST][b]Privacy[/b] -in short, don't expect it. There are cameras, of all types, everywhere, videobloggers, etc. If you are that concerned, wear glasses or a hat, and know you still may end up on one of the many YouTube videos of Pattaya. HeyYYZ, is that you getting blown in that video? Nope, wasn't me. (It was)[/LIST]
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That being said gents. I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. If anyone wants a hunting partner, or if you are local and I can buy you a beer and a BJ as a thank you for all the info, reach out!

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2449144]The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.

What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.

But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?

I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.

Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2449194]Hey folks,

Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
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[LIST]Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board[/LIST][LIST][b]Hotels[/b] - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing[/LIST][LIST][b]Soapies[/b] - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food[/LIST][LIST][b]GoGos[/b] - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away[/LIST][LIST][b]SOI 6[/b] - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up[/LIST][LIST][b]Walking Street[/b] - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.[/LIST][LIST][b]Beach Walkers[/b] - Most people agree that the quality here is a lot lower, but the price point is much lower as well. I have seen a few success stories, including that one where a guy could not have sex due to emergency surgery and he met a nice girl there who took care of him and gave him a two-hour blowjob... holy fuck, I need to get that girls number. But for the vast majority of people, they are telling me it's pretty slim pickings or gotta be a little desperate. You may find a gem, but gotta be willing to dig[/LIST][LIST][b]TF/TM[/b] - sounds like the girls play the game here too. Have a healthy mix of girls on there, plus your enjoyment from the street, bars, etc. Catfishing seems high on this, but asking for recent pics, and telling girls to take a hike if they are not themselves seems a common way. Most guys have not said this, but meet the girls in a lobby or somewhere else, if you wait until they get to your room, you might lower your standards A LOT just out of convenience.[/LIST][LIST][b]Money[/b] - some people are locals, some people are cheap-ass / broke visitors, some people are 2-week millionaires, and almost every level in between... almost all of them dislike the others for some reason or another. Here is my stance: Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.[/LIST][LIST][b]Food[/b] - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw [b]THREE[/b] restaurants listed. Pattaya brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters. Nice to see where our priorities are :) If anyone has any suggestions, more than[/LIST][LIST][b]Maps[/b] - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated. I made one that has almost every bar, BJ bar, hotel, gogo bar, soapie, etc on it. I need to find a way to share it anonymously, but once I do, I will share it with you all. I have no idea how accurate it's going to be after coronavirus, but I will try my best to update it then.[/LIST][LIST][b]White people[/b] - Most everyone on here thinks most punters are 50+ white people out of shape. Also, if you are white, expect the girls to always ask you for more money. Fuck that noise. I'm a lot younger, in shape, and want the girls to want me physically too. I know the primary rule, don't fall for a working girl and they will tell you anything. But you get WAY better service from my experience if they are attracted to your body and your wallet.[/LIST][LIST][b]Be specific[/b] Tons of guys want to bareback, most want anal, most want CIM, etc. Tell a girl upfront, and don't wait to get surprised. This may be a bit easier While this is a bit candid, most people are saying here it's pretty par for the course. Hi, nice to meet you, I'm in Pattaya this week, want to meet up? (Sure!) - Great, I want BBBJ, and cum on your face with tongue out[/LIST][LIST][b]Privacy[/b] -in short, don't expect it. There are cameras, of all types, everywhere, videobloggers, etc. If you are that concerned, wear glasses or a hat, and know you still may end up on one of the many YouTube videos of Pattaya. HeyYYZ, is that you getting blown in that video? Nope, wasn't me. (It was)[/LIST]
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That being said gents. I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. If anyone wants a hunting partner, or if you are local and I can buy you a beer and a BJ as a thank you for all the info, reach out![/QUOTE]Good intel and ideas. Bang on and thank you for regurgitating the stuff that mattered before this pandemic.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449207]Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.

What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.

But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?

I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.

Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't want to get into a drawn out discussion of what governments should be doing, but look at the case of Sweden. They quarantined the elderly and other at risk people, and had no social distancing for others, to try to build herd immunity. Despite being a low pop density country with great healthcare and infrastructure, they haven't fared well compared to similar countries with stricter lockdowns.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449207]Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.

What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.

But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?

I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.

Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]That 55 dead number is ridiculously low. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Dijon, France I can sell you at a cheap price. I personally know of 2 people in Buriram that died. One was a lifelong, dear friend in his early 60's with no known underlying medical issues. At the time of his death the governor of Buriram was reporting zero cases in a news article. Obvious lies as my friend's wife was also in the hospital with C19 as well (she survived).

I agree we need to keep the at risk population at home and start to open businesses back up. We can't keep the World shut forever. I do have a concern about younger people going back to work and spreading it to their elders. And I miss my grandchildren.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2449194]Hey folks,

Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
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[LIST]Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board[/LIST][LIST][b]Hotels[/b] - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing[/LIST][LIST][b]Soapies[/b] - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food[/LIST][LIST][b]GoGos[/b] - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away[/LIST].[/QUOTE]Thanks for change the conversation about the virus and finally write something I'm interested to read.

About the map, it'd be awesome if you can share it!

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449207]... Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]Could very well be so. Don't know how many died when crossing 2nd road last year. One thing is certain and that is the number of people dying from road accidents in Thailand during one year will be so much higher than those who will die from Covid-19 in Thailand this year. Most Thai people don't care about the danger of the careless traffic and take risks going with their motorbikes too fast and sometimes without even helmets. Some Thai people think that it is their destiny (buddhist belief) if they will die in a motorbike accident, and just don't seem to care, but when I was in Thailand recently I didn't hear one Thai person saying they didn't care about getting sick in Covid-19 and if dying, that it would be their destiny. Many were scared of getting sick or passing it on to their parents for example, the elder generation.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2449240]One thing is certain and that is the number of people dying from road accidents in Thailand during one year will be so much higher than those who will die from Covid-19 in Thailand this year. Most Thai people don't care about the danger of the careless traffic and take risks going with their motorbikes too fast and sometimes without even helmets. Some Thai people think that it is their destiny (buddhist belief) if they will die in a motorbike accident, and just don't seem to care, but when I was in Thailand recently I didn't hear one Thai person saying they didn't care about getting sick in Covid-19 and if dying, that it would be their destiny. Many were scared of getting sick or passing it on to their parents for example, the elder generation.[/QUOTE]LOL. Boy these mfs are funny as shit. Chick I picked up last night didn't want to put her helmet on and didn't want to take her mask off! She still had that mask on 5 minutes after we got to the room. I had to tell her to take it off. Bih had the nerve to tell me how important it is to be safe. You were not telling me that when I was handing you that helmet. I guess they pick their own poison. Already more people have died in drunk driving accidents since they opened alcohol back up on Sunday than have died from Covid in the past few months.

[url]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/lifting-of-alcohol-ban-sees-resurgence-in-road-carnage[/url]

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2449141]The strange thing about common sense is its rarity, particularly in Thailand, especially in Pattaya![/QUOTE]Yes, not only in Pattaya when it comes to Bacteria / Hygiene it isn't taught in the Thai government school, what little is can't be applied or re-enforced in general in a poor Thai home.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2449173]I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.

Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount. Now those fuglies sure will give you a huge discount. Its mostly a matter what a guy fancies. Those that like discounted girls like a girl who's face is not one of her strong points. Maybe a bit hefty, or too dark.

About Indians. Hahahaha.

I like LBM take on the economics of Pattaya. Personally for the majority of Pattaya girls I just don't see how they make money. In popular Nana Bar I see 10 girls barfined in 15 minutes many a time. In Pattaya one girl is barfined in one hour.[/QUOTE]I have never been much of a Price Policeman and I generally agree with you that girls who know they can get a customer for their asking price in 10 minutes are not likely to give you a 50% discount out of desperation.

But I will say there is value in engaging in some form of the bargaining process even if you don't get a 50% discount, if you only get a 20% discount and even if you get no discount at all from their initial asking price.

For one, it conveys the message to the girl that the money and what you get for it matters to you.

And for another, you might agree to pay her asking price (if she will not budge from it) but only if you get this and that in the room, things that are really important to you but are not typically on the regular menu.

That is bargaining/negotiating for better "assured" and agreed upon service rather than for a lower price. Often MUCH better service.

I am a big fan of that form of bargaining, particularly when a 500 baht difference either way is relatively meaningless. Hell, 1,000 baht difference is often meaningless to me if it is the difference between getting exactly what I want from this exact girl I want or walking away to continue shopping and spending on drinks (if only for myself) and other shit along the way.

IMO, there is real value in making the effort to bargain for at least those two reasons.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2449173]I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.

Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount.[/QUOTE]So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. I told her 2000 baht, NEVER. I pay 500 baht for short time and 1000 baht for long time. We settled on 700 baht for short time. 65% discount? 14 hours later and she is still here. But I will write that report on what a big waste of time taking 2 seconds to bargain was later.

P.S. They are renting pussy. It cost them nothing. They were born with it. Know what they are worth? LOL. Tell that to the Thai guy that has had his foot in her ass her whole life and see what he thinks about it. Sounds like you are playing the simp card.

Say you pay 4,000 for an average Happy girl just because you like her. I say don't worry that you are inflating the market price for others, the frugal types. The market price is based on millions of transactions over time. If the avg girl thinks she is going to get 4,000 every time time she will prolly starve to death. The market doesn't support the 4 k.

Do you really think a fella who gets 50% off regularly is keeping market prices down for all of us? NO. More like the quality just isn't there.

You make the call. I say spend what you want.

moved my COVID post to General Reports thread where it belongs.

[QUOTE=Allover;2449219]That 55 dead number is ridiculously low. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Dijon, France I can sell you at a cheap price. I personally know of 2 people in Buriram that died. One was a lifelong, dear friend in his early 60's with no known underlying medical issues. At the time of his death the governor of Buriram was reporting zero cases in a news article. Obvious lies as my friend's wife was also in the hospital with C19 as well (she survived).[/QUOTE]My condolences.

Are you sure he was early 60's?

Case 744 reported by Ministry of Pubic Health 24-March, American Male aged 69 described in Thairaith as having chronic kidney disease, admitted to hospital in Buriram 9 March, intubated 23 March (which ties in with your post of 26 March), passed 7 April as death number 30. ([URL]https://data.go.th/dataset/covid-19-daily[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thairath.co.th/news/local/1815129[/URL] in Thai).

It was around 23 - 24 March that the previous requirement for all positive tests to be re-tested at a second laboratory in Bangkok was removed as it was taking the best part of a week or more to get confirmed results, resulting in a surge in the case count around then as the dam was removed. I'm not defending this, just telling how it was.

As to the Dijon oceanfront property, I'm afraid it just doesn't cut the moutarde.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449265]14 hours later and she is still here.[/QUOTE]I'm living vicariously through you right now; Bro, you really know how to bargain down and fuck these girls. You are right, it's a fucking commodity, and with the buyers down, and the girls still needing money it's a buyers market.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2449317]My condolences.

Are you sure he was early 60's?

Case 744 reported by Ministry of Pubic Health 24-March, American Male aged 69 described in Thairaith as having chronic kidney disease, admitted to hospital in Buriram 9 March, intubated 23 March (which ties in with your post of 26 March), passed 7 April as death number 30. ([URL]https://data.go.th/dataset/covid-19-daily[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thairath.co.th/news/local/1815129[/URL] in Thai).

It was around 23 - 24 March that the previous requirement for all positive tests to be re-tested at a second laboratory in Bangkok was removed as it was taking the best part of a week or more to get confirmed results, resulting in a surge in the case count around then as the dam was removed. I'm not defending this, just telling how it was.

As to the Dijon oceanfront property, I'm afraid it just doesn't cut the moutarde.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Could be the same person. Thanks for posting this as the information I was given was sketchy.

One person's tribulation is another person's triumph. This Covid thing is still going my way. When I met the soapy chick that wanted 500 for short time, I said I was sure I could get her to come long time for 700. I never said anything to her about it, but today she hit me up asking to come long time for 800. I declined her offer because my girlfriend is off on weekends and she comes over. Just talked to her and she is too tired and will wait to come tomorrow though, so I have another free chick on the way.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2449194]I have a trip booked in January.
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[LIST][b]Hotels[/b] - Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likely grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing.[/LIST][LIST][b]SOI 6[/b] - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up[/LIST][LIST][b]Walking Street[/b] - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.[/LIST][LIST][b]Money[/b] - Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.[/LIST][LIST][b]Food[/b] - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw [b]THREE[/b] restaurants listed. Pattaya Brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters.[/LIST][LIST][b]Maps[/b] - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated.[/LIST]
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I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. [/QUOTE]KUDOS to Mr. Travel for doing what everybody should do, which is go back several months and read old posts to get the general lay of the land. I realize the signal-to-noise ratio here is sometimes poor. But judging by his most recent post, Mr. Travel skipped a few salient points.

TIMING -- My personal view is that January of 2021 is too soon. I just don't think the virus concerns will have receded by then. I know he says he has a "deposit." But I recommend caution. Better to forfeit a hotel deposit than sink good money after bad.

HOTELS -- You realize there's a separate thread for hotel information, right? I've long recommended the Whitehouse Condotel for first-timers, mostly because the location is so good. Search my my prior reviews.

SOI 6 -- You seem to have the impression that oral sex is available in the bar, in a semi-public setting. While I'm sure that's occurred in the past, it's not commonplace. Indeed, an increasing number of Soi 6 bars are open to the street these days. Finally, as you noted elsewhere, the soi is crawling with people recording the scene. If you want a blowjob from a Soi 6 girl, you'll probably have to pay the bar for a short time room upstairs and retire there. If doing it in the bar proper is your thing, check out the Soi Bongkot gentlemen clubs.

HOOTERS -- It's not on Walking Street, it's considerably farther north.

MONEY -- You're free to measure relative value against what's available in the United States at USA Prices. But please know this will draw the ire of The Pattaya Price Police, who argue (with some logic) that it's a micro-economy that should be evaluated in isolation from what adult fun might cost elsewhere in the world. I *generally* agree that for your typical guy on holiday it doesn't make sense to haggle too hard over 500 baht here or there. But as the Thais say: Up To You.

FOOD -- There is quite a bit of food discussion here. You must have scrolled past it. Check out the food stalls on the west side of Soi Buakao, just north of Tree Town for a wide selection of farang-friendly chow with tables and chairs to eat. If you're jetlagged your first few days (and who isn't?) check out the Casa Pascal breakfast buffet. You're welcome.

MAPS -- I realize it's heresy in this age of Google, but buy an old-fashioned map today and study it while you prepare for your trip. You'll get a general idea of where things are more easily than you would looking at a map online. I recommend the Groovy Map of Pattaya, which you can buy from Amazon. And don't forget to learn where the major baht buses run.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2449383]KUDOS to Mr. Travel for doing what everybody should do, which is go back several months and read old posts to get the general lay of the land. I realize the signal-to-noise ratio here is sometimes poor. But judging by his most recent post, Mr. Travel skipped a few salient points.[/QUOTE]Thank you for all of this! I don't have a deposit yet; I have a flight booked, but I grabbed it on a super flash sale. I got Delta one from the states for about 8 x lower than the usual cost. I can cancel if needed, and would only lose about $300 USD. I don't have a hotel yet. Maps wise, I saw your post before on this and I already bought [URL=https://www.amazon.com/Groovy-Pattaya-2015-Map-Guide/dp/9745251895/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=&pldnSite=1][b]the map[/b][/URL]! Sorry for missing the restaurants, I swear I added them to my map as I saw then, but thanks for the suggestion about Casa Pascal. I know about the hotel thread and did a deep dive in there already Right now, Whitehouse Condotel looks great!! Here is my tip for jetlag for everyone. Having done about 30+ USA. Asia trips here is my secret. If this doesn't work for you, or you don't like it, or believe it, I'm not worried. Just sharing what works for me.
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Prices without face pictures is meaningless.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449265]So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. I told her 2000 baht, NEVER. I pay 500 baht for short time and 1000 baht for long time. We settled on 700 baht for short time. 65% discount? 14 hours later and she is still here. But I will write that report on what a big waste of time taking 2 seconds to bargain was later.

P.S. They are renting pussy. It cost them nothing. They were born with it. Know what they are worth? LOL. Tell that to the Thai guy that has had his foot in her ass her whole life and see what he thinks about it. Sounds like you are playing the simp card.[/QUOTE]You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls. Granted you are in Pattaya, which may be cheaper than Bangkok, since the rate there seems to be 2-3000 baht for non-street girls (per Gargano19 and EihTooms), but even Monkey Paw, who is also in Pattaya, is paying double or triple what you are paying for them.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2449468]You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls. Granted you are in Pattaya, which may be cheaper than Bangkok, since the rate there seems to be 2-3000 baht for non-street girls (per Gargano and EihTooms), but even Monkey Paw, who is also in Pattaya, is paying double or triple what you are paying for them.[/QUOTE]It's funny, I seem to achieve pretty much the same price points as Mr E on my best days, even though I mostly lack charm (but I'm a half decent negotiator). Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may help. It's more or less like buying a car, nothing remarkable about it. Totally doable. Up to you.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2449468]You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls.[/QUOTE]It's not Mr E's good looks, wit and charm that is securing these deals. It's that he is there, now and dependable. I'm also guessing he treats the girls in a tolerable way so that they can provide positive references to their friends. Believe me positive or negative news spreads quickly.

I'm no expert on LOS but in the Philippine boards I've often commented that there are three pricing levels: Fresh of the plane big spenders; Repeat visitors; and Resident spend thrifts. I know many girls who are slinging 3000 P 30 minute STs to just arrived Chinese and 500 P afternoons to resident Dive Masters when the power bill is due. Like Mr E, the girls know that they can call up these guys at short notice and walk away with pocket money or bills paid regardless of if it's high season or not or if their bar is full or empty.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2449470]Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may help[/QUOTE]This is so true. I always secure the best time and prettiest girls on the last few days of my holidays, when the tank is near empty, I'm not lusting over every brown body that sits next to me and the girls effectively have to earn the pleasure of me taking them home. 😁.

G.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2449132]Containing the spread of COVID-19 is just an excuse. No tourist means no money. Means government doesn't get money. So they will close. It's the same as why are some restaurants still closed and some are open. It's about how much business and they can make. So what closed Walking Street was the lack of customers. I was there. Walking into Palace at 11 pm to only 9 girls on stage and 4 customers was sad. Even I thought, it's time to put them out of their misery and close shop. So the business owners made a few calls to their government buddies they pay off. The staff can't get mad to the government, so take the blame for us. Send them all home and packing. Hopefully this make sense. Look who works those beaches (vendors and water sports providers and lot attendants with their chairs). All pay a kick back. People using and trashing the beach for free fucks the government up.[/QUOTE]This is why beach is off limits. Has nothing to go with spread of Covid-19. Monkeypaw strikes again, told you so. Read my last sentence. Pretty good with this prediction stuff.

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/bang-sean-beach-full-of-trash-after-reopening/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2449470]It's funny, I seem to achieve pretty much the same price points as Mr E on my best days, even though I mostly lack charm (but I'm a half decent negotiator). Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may help. It's more or less like buying a car, nothing remarkable about it. Totally doable. Up to you.[/QUOTE]I would also think around 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 - 1,500 baht for LT is totally believable and doable on a regular basis with freelancers in Pattaya. For some of us, it is paying more than that for what is generally available in Pattaya that is unbelievable. If some reasonable standard combination of youth, looks, demeanor, skills and cooperation is the goal, that is. I'm sure there must be FLs in Pattaya who command thousands of baht for LT and can afford to say No to 1,200 baht offers left and right until they get their price. Somewhere.

It can even be done with some regularity in the lower Sukhumvit and Patpong areas of Bangkok if you put your mind to it, are almost constantly on the hunt and aren't too picky about age, weight, overall looks (yes, facial attractiveness is a biggie in this regard) and skills.

For the most part I pay freelancers in Bangkok 2,000 - 2,500 baht for LT. I can't remember the last time I agreed to pay more than that except for a lovely Vietnamese girl I met online over a year ago to whom I paid about 7,000 baht for a dream LT where my every sexual wish with her was fulfilled between 10pm and 12Noon the next day. I would go to 3,000 baht for LT if the girl was enticing enough and she would not budge.

I prefer LT over ST. But when I do a ST it generally comes to 1,000 - 1,500 baht. Although I have agreed to as much as 2,500 baht for ST with a few Thermae girls.

However, there is one gigantic glaring and critical difference about my P4P experiences anywhere in Thailand that I don't believe applies to any other regular poster on these threads and therefore likely renders much of my stated price ranges irrelevant to anyone else; 90% of the time I require an upfront agreement to engage in BBFS+CIP from the P4P girls I approach or that approach me in person or online. Sometimes, but not all that often, an upfront agreement for BBBJ+CIM will be enough to close the deal for me.

That does not mean I choose a girl and then "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" and find myself scoring BBFS+CIP 90% of the time. Nope. That means I literally bring up the subject on the street, in the bar or club, online, you name it, and get a clear and unambiguous agreement from the girl that she would be fine with engaging in that with me before we so much as take that first step in the direction of my room.

So I think we are really talking about a much higher "ask" of the girl in my situation than most other punters would ever dare. I doubt there are many punters out there doing what I do in Thailand AND regularly negotiating it down to 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 baht for LT. Not with girls most of us would be willing to touch with a barge pole, that is. Although I am sure there are anecdotal exceptions.

All that said, for years now about half the girls I have had in Bangkok were non P4P girls with regular jobs who got upset if I mentioned paying them for it beyond a token 100 - 200 baht for their taxi travel to and from my place. Right up to today. Naturally, that reduces the costs for sex that I've mentioned considerably. But that doesn't exactly pertain to the P4P issue.

Price shaming needs to stop.

Not all of us wants to buy an old aging brown banana. We like nubile cutesy type girls.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2449473]It's not Mr E's good looks, wit and charm that is securing these deals. It's that he is there, now and dependable. I'm also guessing he treats the girls in a tolerable way so that they can provide positive references to their friends. Believe me positive or negative news spreads quickly. Snip. [/QUOTE]I have not heard of many 14-hour STs. She earned her 700 baht the first hour (or max the second hour). She was there for the next 12-13 hours because she enjoyed being with Mr. Enternational apart from the money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2448871]You are full of shit and this post has ZERO information in it. Nobody tried to touch your pockets unless it was a Thai ladyboy that you mistook for an Indian.

A dangerous Indian guy in Pattaya? Get the fuck out of here.

Newsflash: Everybody sees chicks as sexual toys; that is why guys come to Pattaya!

Little budget? Chicks tell me that Indian guys are the ones who pay the most. No need to lie to me; I pay the least and find it no badge of honor or pride to be a big spender in a hooker haven..[/QUOTE]Good pick up Mr E. Turkish63's report was indeed rather strange for a first up contribution from a newbie. I see that his report has now been deleted after you saw straight through the BS. If I was a first time monger to LOS, I would be spending all my time chasing LBFMs and seeing how much pussy I could get. Now what does Turkish63 claim to do? He spends all his time observing, criticizing and writing about another ethnic tourist group. And other mongers believed that BS.

FWIW, Indian cities are now full of AMPS (or at least they were before the Wuhan Reaper struck). Guess where the staff come from? If Indian men were that smelly, cheap and dangerous, I don't think thousands of LBFMs would be flying out of BKK to various Indian cities to service Indian cock.

YYZtravel,

The key to Pattaya as said many times over on this board is don't overplan. I still recall my first visit I had about 7 months to pre-plan. When I got there none of my planning mattered other than learning the baht bus route and selecting as nice a hotel my budget could afford along the baht bus route. Pattaya is a go with the flow sort of town. Hit Walking Street, LK Metro, Soi 6, walk along Beach Roach, hit the soapies, walk around Soi Buakhao and Soi 25, a place like iBar or 808, maybe try a G club or BJ bar. Wear dry fit light clothing and long shorts because it's hot in Thailand. Wear comfortable footwear because you will be walking a lot on very uneven sidewalks. Nice sandals are acceptable footwear in almost all places in Pattaya. You can pick up girls anywhere as Mr. E has posted here many times. Just go with the flow it will all work out for you. The girls will find you.

If time permits, try a few days in Bangkok as well and compare the two cities. Go to Bangkok at the beginning of your trip directly from the airport. It's closer for the travel weary.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2449399]Prices without face pictures is meaningless.[/QUOTE]So why did you give prices without posting any pictures period?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2449468]You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls.[/QUOTE]I am also the only one posting she asked for 2000 and I told her no way. Other people are saying she asked for 2000 and I told her let's go. See the true difference? Has nothing to do with attractiveness and other bullshit. It has everything to do with opening your mouth.

You think I get taxis from the airport for 900 because I am attractive to the male drivers? Or is it simply because they ask for 1500 and I SAY no way, 900 plus 60 for the tolls, while others are saying okay 1500 let's go?

Ask FL Hawk about the last time he was here and I took him to my tailor. I said tell him all the stuff you want then ask him how much. No matter what he says, tell him that is way too much and you did not plan on spending that much. You should have seen how charming Hawk was with the tailor! No idea why this is so difficult for some people to do.

Still haven't gotten to the report, but after I suggested MP ask chicks why they ask a certain price, I decided to do the same. The first reason the gogo chick that wanted 2000 short time said was because guys are going to ask for a lower price. In other words she starts high so it gives her room to negotiate. It has nothing to do with knowing what she is worth. And if she catches a guy who just pays the first price he is given, then it is a lucky day for her.

I am not telling you anything that is going to cost you money to try out. You do not have to go buy any special clothes to try this. You do not have to make sure you have had a haircut and shave before you try this. You do not have to put on cologne or make sure your breath is as fresh as Everest peak. All you have to do is open your mouth and say that is too much. But it seems like that is kryptonite to some people. They will make every excuse for NOT negotiating.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2449488]This is why beach is off limits. Has nothing to go with spread of Covid-19. Monkeypaw strikes again, told you so. Read my last sentence. Pretty good with this prediction stuff.

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/bang-sean-beach-full-of-trash-after-reopening/[/URL][/QUOTE]Well it seemed a total waste of time from the beginning. There was practically nobody on the beach. The way they talk you would think people were gathering in packs. At Jomtien you would see a family here and there. We all know that the Thai people like to sit on the sidewalk with their mat and eat with friends. There were maybe 2 cases of this at Pattaya beach and 3 at Jomtien whenever I rode through. Here is a picture of Pattaya beach from over a month ago. NOBODY at the fucking beach.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2449502]I have not heard of many 14-hour STs. She earned her 700 baht the first hour (or max the second hour). She was there for the next 12-13 hours because she enjoyed being with Mr. Enternational apart from the money.[/QUOTE]No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!

First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.

I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.

Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449513]So why did you give prices without posting any pictures period?[/QUOTE]I'm not claiming I get Hot Pretty Girls for 700 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2449494]I would also think around 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 - 1,500 baht for LT is totally believable and doable on a regular basis with freelancers in Pattaya. For some of us, it is paying more than that for what is generally available in Pattaya that is unbelievable. If some reasonable standard combination of youth, looks, demeanor, skills and cooperation is the goal, that is. I'm sure there must be FLs in Pattaya who command thousands of baht for LT and can afford to say No to 1,200 baht offers left and right until they get their price. Somewhere.

It can even be done with some regularity in the lower Sukhumvit and Patpong areas of Bangkok if you put your mind to it, are almost constantly on the hunt and aren't too picky about age, weight, overall looks (yes, facial attractiveness is a biggie in this regard) and skills.

For the most part I pay freelancers in Bangkok 2,000 - 2,500 baht for LT. I can't remember the last time I agreed to pay more than that except for a lovely Vietnamese girl I met online over a year ago to whom I paid about 7,000 baht for a dream LT where my every sexual wish with her was fulfilled between 10pm and 12Noon the next day. I would go to 3,000 baht for LT if the girl was enticing enough and she would not budge.

I prefer LT over ST. But when I do a ST it generally comes to 1,000 - 1,500 baht. Although I have agreed to as much as 2,500 baht for ST with a few Thermae girls..[/QUOTE]I totally believe Mr E prices are attainable. What he doesn't not want to disclose is what he is getting for those prices. Freelancers by and large are not an attractive group. You need to actually see what's on the street. You can spot a Prostitoot a mile away. Majority are under 1,000 k. Many are overpriced at 700. That's how bad they are.

One of his bargain girls he mentioned doesn't attract Asian Johns. That gives a clue as to the type Mr E fancies.

Keeping aside the risk of mongering in these times, you are probably having the best time in this crisis. Good place to be stuck.

Like the Germans say "wenn schon, denn schon". Doesn't matter whether you fuck one girl or twenty. They are probably fucking other guys too.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449529]No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!

First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.

I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.

Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2449494]However, there is one gigantic glaring and critical difference about my P4P experiences anywhere in Thailand that I don't believe applies to any other regular poster on these threads and therefore likely renders much of my stated price ranges irrelevant to anyone else; 90% of the time I require an upfront agreement to engage in BBFS+CIP from the P4P girls I approach or that approach me in person or online. Sometimes, but not all that often, an upfront agreement for BBBJ+CIM will be enough to close the deal for me.

That does not mean I choose a girl and then "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" and find myself scoring BBFS+CIP 90% of the time. Nope.
I doubt there are many punters out there doing what I do in Thailand AND regularly negotiating it down to 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 baht for LT. [/QUOTE]The reason there is no glaring or critical difference is because I have never negotiated particular services in Thailand, I do not require any type of agreement, and have always gone with the flow and 90% of the time it leads to what you are actively negotiating. These chicks around here don't give a fuck. How do you think they are ending up with all these kids? They will let any Tom, DICK, or Johnson cum in them at the drop of a hat. You don't have to ask for it; you just have to do it. They don't know that I had a vasectomy (If I did not then I would not be skeeting in them at will.).

The gogo chick the other night, I was trying to sleep but every fucking hour she would wake up and put her mouth around my dick for a couple of minutes then hop on top of it like it was nothing. And I hate being bothered when I am trying to sleep.

If you call yourself paying them extra for "special services" then you could be saving yourself a bunch of money, because they are going to do it anyway. Others can attest that it works the exact same in the Philippines. It has NOTHING to do with the price you are paying or how the girl looks. That is the biggest fallacy ever. She will do it for only 1000 baht because she does not look good, but she looks good and will do it for a whopping 2000 baht? Yeah right. No. She will do it because that is what she does. You know why I would not fuck a ladyboy for 20,000 baht? It is because I don't fuck ladyboys; it has nothing to do with the amount or how I look!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449514]You think I get taxis from the airport for 900 because I am attractive to the male drivers? Or is it simply because they ask for 1500 and I SAY no way, 900 plus 60 for the tolls, while others are saying okay 1500 let's go?
[/QUOTE]Mr. E is exactly right guys. Thai people will see you as a tourist and will try extracting every baht you have. It's the way they have been wired through experience that guys will pay it because it's "cheaper than home". Girls will look at you and set a maximum number in their head they think you are willing to pay. The price used to be "Up to you". Sadly I haven't heard "Up to you" for a long time from a gogo girl. Miss the Good Old Days of 2016.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449593]The reason there is no glaring or critical difference is because I have never negotiated particular services in Thailand, I do not require any type of agreement, and have always gone with the flow and 90% of the time it leads to what you are actively negotiating. These chicks around here don't give a fuck. How do you think they are ending up with all these kids? They will let any Tom, DICK, or Johnson cum in them at the drop of a hat. You don't have to ask for it; you just have to do it. They don't know that I had a vasectomy (If I did not then I would not be skeeting in them at will.).

The gogo chick the other night, I was trying to sleep but every fucking hour she would wake up and put her mouth around my dick for a couple of minutes then hop on top of it like it was nothing. And I hate being bothered when I am trying to sleep.

If you call yourself paying them extra for "special services" then you could be saving yourself a bunch of money, because they are going to do it anyway. Others can attest that it works the exact same in the Philippines. It has NOTHING to do with the price you are paying or how the girl looks. That is the biggest fallacy ever. She will do it for only 1000 baht because she does not look good, but she looks good and will do it for a whopping 2000 baht? Yeah right. No. She will do it because that is what she does. You know why I would not fuck a ladyboy for 20,000 baht? It is because I don't fuck ladyboys; it has nothing to do with the amount or how I look![/QUOTE]Most of the girls I choose do give a fuck. They are not handing out BBFS+CIP in the first hour of a first session with absolutely no discussion about condoms in the room, especially not for 700 baht. And that no further discussion about it is what I am negotiating for upfront and willing to pay an additional insignificant upcharge for it. I am not talking about getting it on the second or third session. I am not talking about getting it after a 15 minute conversation about it in my room over my increasingly less interested wilting erection.

Could I target ladies I am already 90% sure would not say no to BBFS+CIP in the room with or without a confrontation and the same dreary "safety first" conversation women have been launching into with me and the same tedious responses I have been explaining to them about it for the past 45+ years of mongering?

Yep. Easily.

But, for one thing, I would be targeting a much less attractive level of female than I'd even want to fuck. And, for another thing, I would much, much, much rather just get that discussion over with on the street, in the club or online and start enjoying the knowledge that I will, not might, be getting what I want with this girl with no further discussion required in the room for a mere 500 - 1000 baht more than what appears to already be rock bottom bargain prices.

I assure you I have wasted MUCH more money over the years by not negotiatiing it upfront and "going with the flow" than I could ever waste by having that 3 sentence exchange about it before we walk off hand in hand.

I can also attest that it is easy to get BBFS+CIP within the first hour of the first session with little or no discussion about it in the Philippines. It is practically a given there. But it is not a given in Thailand. Not generally among the girls I would want to fuck anyway.

For every punter you think gets BBFS+CIP with hot Thai girls without a discussion or hassle about it in the room, I can produce 2 seasoned world traveler punters who had practically sworn off returning to Thailand because it is such a hassle to get BBFS+CIP with a hot Thai girl.

Sure, remove the word "hot" and it's easy peasy for almost anyone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2448871]Chicks tell me that Indian guys are the ones who pay the most[/QUOTE]This is the first time I hear that. I think that if it were true we will see more indians in gogos to choose girls with 4 or 5000 baths.

The only thing I heard is that the Indians who walk on the beach road for 3 or 4 people were trying to negotiate group prices like: we are 4 and we give you 500 or 700 baths per person. Which can indeed interest some girls because they make their turnover of the evening in one shot.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2449599]Mr. E is exactly right guys. Thai people will see you as a tourist and will try extracting every baht you have. It's the way they have been wired through experience that guys will pay it because it's "cheaper than home". Girls will look at you and set a maximum number in their head they think you are willing to pay. The price used to be "Up to you". Sadly I haven't heard "Up to you" for a long time from a gogo girl. Miss the Good Old Days of 2016.[/QUOTE]I haven't heard "up to you" in gogos, but few girls of LK and ws gogos are messaging me to meet and saying fee is "up to me", and that's before I can say I am not even in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2449629]I haven't heard "up to you" in gogos, .[/QUOTE]I sometimes but rarely heard "up to you" in gogos.

But when I offered 1000 baths when the price was 4/5000 baths with barfine the answer was "nooooooo".

Well ok but why are you telling me "up to you" then?

I wouldn't mind paying even normal inflated gogo prices (3000 ST) a couple of times a week for top-tier gogo girls, as I'm tired of recycling my 2 or 3 good regulars who didn't go back home weeks ago. I need change, never mind how hot my present girl is. Plus, there's nothing to do all day long so overspending somewhat on sex seems opportune. But where are those "gogo girls" right now? Not many of them left on the ground here I can tell you. I see the odd one around Soi Bukhao, often on a motorcycle, coming for food. Easy to tell from the crowd of 4's to 6's working the street. Really good girls stand out a mile ever since most of them returned to the provinces.

Those rare good girls do not change hands. I see them escorted at close quarters by the same guys day after day. Obviously the guys hang on to their good girl for dear life, they know if they lose her it will be long before they find one as good.

That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449631]I sometimes but rarely heard "up to you" in gogos.

But when I offered 1000 baths when the price was 4/5000 baths with barfine the answer was "nooooooo".

Well ok but why are you telling me "up to you" then?[/QUOTE]Haha she was expecting you to say 6000 or 8000, because I've seen some pay for it in front of me. And then I got the same girl for 4 k next night.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449634]But where are those "gogo girls" right now?[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly and Tinder along with everyone else.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2449637]Haha she was expecting you to say 6000 or 8000, because I've seen some pay for it in front of me. And then I got the same girl for 4 k next night.[/QUOTE]
The rest of the discussion is:

- me: "and how much for LT?
- her: "7000 baths". (Also you are right about the prices you give, it is not delusional).
- me: "But honey for this price I have to sell my house."

And there, she does not seem surprised. She must find it normal that an old man with a crappy t-shirt and flip-flops sells his house to spend the night with her (because I don't have the same power of seduction as you or Mr Enternational).

I have been playing around on Tinder lately since I got a lot of time on my hands. I few things I have observed is Tinder has a ton of girls and Ladyboys. 555. Fortunately I am pretty good at spotting the minority of LB's who do not declare themselves as such right at the get go, but newbies should proceed with caution. As to the girl girls, I see a lot of quality on Tinder mixed in with the chaff, of course, and it does breakdown into professional and amateur class. Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profile for easy, no fooling around access. But since I have plenty of time on my hands I have also 'right swiped" some apparent non-pro girls who looked pretty amazing in their photos. A large number of these have Instagram accounts and want you to contact them there. After a brief intro / how are you, I have added a couple of them to my Line account for further contact. It is really too bad I am not in Thailand. I am sure I would be scoring some of these cuties from Tinder if I were, but as it is, I am just in the learner phase, figuring out the ropes and making a few acquaintances. I do think, however, that even when the bars & Go Go's reopen I will begin to use Tinder. Like I said, I think there is quality to be found there.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449634] But where are those "gogo girls" right now?[/QUOTE]Supposedly, they can be found on Phratamnak Hill.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449265]So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. [/QUOTE]Thai girls seem to like to check their weight on a scale to know if they gained or lost. This one was 44 kg. Her natural tits must have been at least 1 kg each.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2449671]I have been playing around on Tinder lately since I got a lot of time on my hands. I few things I have observed is Tinder has a ton of girls and Ladyboys. 555. Fortunately I am pretty good at spotting the minority of LB's who do not declare themselves as such right at the get go, but newbies should proceed with caution. As to the girl girls, I see a lot of quality on Tinder mixed in with the chaff, of course, and it does breakdown into professional and amateur class. Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profile for easy, no fooling around access. But since I have plenty of time on my hands I have also 'right swiped" some apparent non-pro girls who looked pretty amazing in their photos. A large number of these have Instagram accounts and want you to contact them there. After a brief intro / how are you, I have added a couple of them to my Line account for further contact. It is really too bad I am not in Thailand. I am sure I would be scoring some of these cuties from Tinder if I were, but as it is, I am just in the learner phase, figuring out the ropes and making a few acquaintances. I do think, however, that even when the bars & Go Go's reopen I will begin to use Tinder. Like I said, I think there is quality to be found there.[/QUOTE]You PLAY Tinder. Don't you want to rephrase that. That's how Thai girls talk.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449634]That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.[/QUOTE]What's surprised me in this discussion isn't that 700/1000 be stunners are available in these lean times. It's that the reports have been that these girls are also providing good and even extended sessions upon arrival.

Everywhere else, it's almost a given that attractiveness, popularity and price are almost inversely proportional to the level of service and enjoyment provided when back in the room. Normally a girl's sense of entitlement overhangs the evening. Is this a general Thailand thing or are they upping there game due to Convid19 lean times?

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2449671]Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profile[/QUOTE]Not to mention they have pictures of them working in their bars! LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449655]Thai Friendly and Tinder along with everyone else.[/QUOTE]I have now had some 10 girls from Thaifriendly in my room since the bars closed, not a huge sample but one sufficient for a trend to emerge. Not a single one of them was a girl I have have been eager to add to my list of regulars. Not a single one who was at the level of my two remaining Soi 6 regulars.

Note that I am comparing TF girls to my selection of Soi 6 girls, not to Nana Plaza Billboard hotties!

I now wish I had been able to collect five times more phone numbers of ok girls ahead of the closures.

My message to mongers out there who contemplate flying back to Thailand asap despite the restrictions in the belief the top girls are to be had online at a discount is: don't count on it.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2449536]I totally believe Mr E prices are attainable. What he doesn't not want to disclose is what he is getting for those prices. Freelancers by and large are not an attractive group. You need to actually see what's on the street. You can spot a Prostitoot a mile away. Majority are under 1,000 k. Many are overpriced at 700. That's how bad they are.

One of his bargain girls he mentioned doesn't attract Asian Johns. That gives a clue as to the type Mr E fancies.[/QUOTE]Here you go with faulty logic again. By that logic the girls that guys are fucking for free must really be total dogs. Just because YOU can not get a good looking chick to fuck you for cheap or free, does not mean that is the case for everyone. And who is to say the chick you are paying your 3000 baht to is good looking? You have not proven shit. You want people to assume that because you pay a certain amount that the chick is good looking. The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price. I guess you are also not aware that chicks who work in clubs moonlight as freelancers as well. I never said anything about a chick not attracting Asian guys. More shit you are pulling out of your ass I guess.

I might overpay the first session with a go go girl, but if I like the session we will exchange Line IDs and have a second date without the bar fine. For second dates I tell her that I don't have the same money that I had for our first date. Third dates are uncommon for me, but the price goes still lower for that. For a nice looking go go girl, I might pay 3000 baht the first date (+BF), 1500 baht the second date, and 1000 baht the third date. Service seems to get progressively better and better. If a condom was used on the first date, it is gone by the second date. Always lots of DFK on second and third dates. I seldom have a 4th paid date, there are too many other options in Thailand.

I like to sleep alone so I always arrange ST. There have been many times that the girl wants to stay overnight, probably because she likes my hotel and doesn't want to go back to the shit hole where she lives. This is especially true when I'm in my Samui resort, the girls seem to really like that place and they don't want to leave. I've spent the night with several free Thai girls, but very seldom do I let a professional spend the night.

I'm old and only good for one pop per day with a condom, I need BBFS CIP for second and (sometimes) third pops. For me, negotiating BBFS before going to my room is unreliable. In February I did those negotiations with a Vietnamese freelancer on Soi 11 (BKK) and she refused BBFS when we were in the room. She explained to me that it wasn't a good thing to do and I showed her the door, at which time she decided BBFS CIP was acceptable. In March I had a similar experience with an older Thai freelancer on Sukhumvit near Soi 7, the deal was 1000 baht for BBFS CIP, but in the room she cock blocked me with her legs. She refused BBFS and got nasty when I told her it was time to leave, I ended up giving her 400 or 500 baht to get her out and not cause problems.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449747]I have now had some 10 girls from Thaifriendly in my room since the bars closed, not a huge sample but one sufficient for a trend to emerge. Not a single one of them was a girl I have have been eager to add to my list of regulars. Not a single one who was at the level of my two remaining Soi 6 regulars.[/QUOTE]I do not even understand the separation since there are a shit ton of Soi 6 chicks on Thai Friendly. Why would it be any different if you met them on Thai Friendly, Soi 6, Lucifer Disco, or Buakhao market? I reported on a Soi 6 chick that came to see me after hours in March. 2 days ago I was talking to a chick in Thai Friendly. It was not until she added me to Line that I realized it was the same person because the old messages and her name were still in my phone. They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449749]Here you go with faulty logic again. By that logic the girls that guys are fucking for free must really be total dogs. Just because YOU can not get a good looking chick to fuck you for cheap or free, does not mean that is the case for everyone. And who is to say the chick you are paying your 3000 baht to is good looking? You have not proven shit. You want people to assume that because you pay a certain amount that the chick is good looking. The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price. I guess you are also not aware that chicks who work in clubs moonlight as freelancers as well. I never said anything about a chick not attracting Asian guys. Where did you get that from?[/QUOTE]You are one tough nut to crack.

Lets take Rainbow 4 in BKK. They all generally charge the same 3,000. The same girls get barfined over and over and over again. Some moderately and some never. What different about them? Shier vaginas look pretty much the same, I guess. Its their face (Assuming all bodies are OK-which they aren't).

You definitely said recently one of your 700 bathers isn't a Korean boy kind of girl.

If only one person here would back your claim. . we can chat.

Its hard finding pretty girls in top agogos yet you find them all over for 700 Baht. Come on now.

It could be a bit longer wait?

Thai follow so this bit of news might be what is in store for the future.

When it comes to the Brits they have just imposed a 14 days return quarantine so if one isn't wealthy and retired? Traveling isn't a good idea? And when it comes to Thailand if they don't remove their restrictions for every other country traveling isn't going to happen?

South Korea, opened up its bar scene and now closing again since they had a large uptick in reported cases after testing and tracking.

Just hearsay, my brother earlier in the week went to Hollywood Disco to pick up his oldest son who hangs out with one of the son owners of Hollywood. The local government was having a meeting with owners of entertainment venues the meeting was to throw out ideas as to how they can open based on the guidelines in place majority of those in the meeting were foreign owners and the ideas being thrown out by everyone was going nowhere. Many of the foreign owners wanted the government to wave taxes and speak to landowners to forego rent if they continue to be closed that they are getting killed? That is when my brother walked off when he said nothing but smirks on the Thai faces.

Next announcement is coming May 17th I hear?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2449750]I might overpay the first session with a go go girl, but if I like the session we will exchange Line IDs and have a second date without the bar fine. For second dates I tell her that I don't have the same money that I had for our first date. Third dates are uncommon for me, but the price goes still lower for that. For a nice looking go go girl, I might pay 3000 baht the first date (+BF), 1500 baht the second date, and 1000 baht the third date. [/QUOTE]Be careful. Some morons may believe that the chick got hit with an ugly stick between the first date when you picked her up in the gogo and paid 3000 and the third date when she was freelance for 1000. Because you could never get a good looking girl for that pittance.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2449750]If a condom was used on the first date, it is gone by the second date.[/QUOTE]Are you negotiating this beforehand?

[QUOTE=XXL;2449747]My message to mongers out there who contemplate flying back to Thailand asap despite the restrictions in the belief the top girls are to be had online at a discount is: don't count on it.[/QUOTE]What? Sure you not mis-speaking?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2449714]What's surprised me in this discussion isn't that 700/1000 be stunners are available in these lean times. It's that the reports have been that these girls are also providing good and even extended sessions upon arrival.

Everywhere else, it's almost a given that attractiveness, popularity and price are almost inversely proportional to the level of service and enjoyment provided when back in the room. Normally a girl's sense of entitlement overhangs the evening. Is this a general Thailand thing or are they upping there game due to Convid19 lean times?

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I think I get the high a quotes because perhaps these girls just don't want to fuck me. Maybe they detest my style or looks from my profile. Or perhaps I do not know how to select the right girls. It could be that my perspective on what's hot and sexy is iffy. The girls may be in reality "ugly" by most standards and they are going to try to "milk" me for the most amount of money when the opportunity comes. Take this one girl who doesn't seem to have the self confidence to even reply to her messages from men. She probably sees me as a sucker and hence the 2000 baht short time rate, which seems high. I've been told that my ideal body type for a girl is rare (and somewhat not sexy), but I did see something pretty close yesterday near Tree Town that will keep me searching. Or perhaps, I've been mistaken all along and this body type is actually "ugly" by human standards? A little guidance or help from those still here would help. I'm always ready to listen and learn on how to spot top talent, get them for cheap, and get GFE service on a daily budget. I can offer a free lunch or dinner.

Last night I was in the mood for some pizza. I was already around the fruits and vegetables market near Sophon 350 market. See this restaurant named Chill Inn offering 130 baht for margherita pizzas. Hopped right in ordered, but I wasn't digging the vibe. I changed my order to take away and was told I need to pay an extra 20 baht for the cardboard box for to go. Me keeping my cool, just said that's "a little weird, but yeah whatever. " I told the server I wanted extra tomato sauce on the pizza and didn't mind paying extra. About 20 minutes later she came out with my pizza and a bill for 160 baht. I took to the Tree Town area and sat on the sidewalk kicking it with some Americans while we all ate our food. The pizza was floppy about 14-15 inches, cheese did not pull like mozzarella should, and the tomato sauce was skimpy. Inside my bag was 2 packets of tomato sauce, I guess for the extra 10 baht they charged. I was hoping extra sauce on the pizza not packets. Come on, you guys can do better than this. Lucky I'm an easy going guy when it comes to stupidity. Hopefully, it was just that and not laziness. The owner I believe wasn't Italian or European, but not sure. Anyways, if he or any of their customers read this board, get it straight. It's not the waitress fault. I heard her repeat my order correctly and you punched it in the touchscreen. Thank God for the oven in my room to reheat your floppy pizza with packets of tomato sauce.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2449754]You are one tough nut to crack. You definitely said recently one of your 700 bathers isn't a Korean boy kind of girl.

If only one person here would back your claim. . we can chat.[/QUOTE]MF THAT WAS NOT ME! Post the quote of me writing that. You start chatting when you can back your own damn claim.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449752]I do not even understand the separation since there are a shit ton of Soi 6 chicks on Thai Friendly. Why would it be any different if you met them on Thai Friendly, Soi 6, Lucifer Disco, or Buakhao market? I reported on a Soi 6 chick that came to see me after hours in March. 2 days ago I was talking to a chick in Thai Friendly. It was not until she added me to Line that I realized it was the same person because the old messages and her name were still in my phone. They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.[/QUOTE]On Soi 6 at most one in every 6 or 7 girls has a figure that meets my standards, but I can sort them out. I don't see the top 20% of Soi 6 hanging around these days on Soi Bukhao. On TF poor figures and nice tits / faces (mermaids, wheel-chair types) are at a premium and there's no telling which girl might have a good body. I assume girls know this and flock to a platform that hides their main flaws.

Note that this is not inherent to online platforms, it just so happens that, for censorship reasons, the platforms that are available in Thailand are that way. For comparison: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo[/URL].

On another note, more international bad news for a reopening of nigh-life venues: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korea-faces-flare-up-in-coronavirus-cases-tied-to-nightclubs

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449752] They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.[/QUOTE]So true. It's even like that in real life especially with girls exclusively working as freelance in discos.

That's why they spend so much time in the beauty salons to change their hairstyles very often. Add a change in their makeup and clothes style and you've got a completely different girl from one day to another.

It happened to me numerous times that I had a chick a few days ago and it's only when she came talking to me in the disco that I realized she was the same girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449749]The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price.[/QUOTE]Yes, but these girls are there to make the number.

Almost nobody barfine these girls. Once I was in Happy agogo on WS and one girl was very insistent to come at my table. After a few requests I accepted and eventually I barfined her. She was not ugly but it's true she had by far a less pretty face than the other girls being barfined that night but her body looked great though (and that was one reason I barfined her). She finally came for ST at 2000 baht while other guys were paying 3 or 4 K for their girls, and she accepted to be paid in the room while other guys were paying full amount directly at the club. In our way back to my place she confessed that she is never barfined and even her mamasan was surprised that she was being barfined. I ended up regreting it a bit but only because she was a bit annoying by talking a lot. The sex part was great though and at least her pussy and ass were very fresh.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449634]Those rare good girls do not change hands. I see them escorted at close quarters by the same guys day after day. Obviously the guys hang on to their good girl for dear life, they know if they lose her it will be long before they find one as good.

That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.[/QUOTE]These guys are probably their boyfriends unless you've seen these girls with other guys earlier.

Not every guys that goes to Pattaya is changing girls everyday, a lot of guys are staying with only one girl, and it was already the case before the lockdowns.

Before I did this whole mongering pay for play shit, I used do very bad things like make girls empty their wallets for my own selfish needs. But of course, it was at a cost. I lost so much of my freedom having to pretend I really liked or loved them, while they were just objects of gratification for me. Being cooped up in Pattaya brings out the worse in me. I get bored easily, and without Go Go bars to play around in, I find myself having to create my own adventures. With Go Go bars, the sex with hotter girls was easy. But mostly, I enjoyed playing the "You want me or I want you game" with them, the competition, and even other customers. It was only a couple months ago, when I remember going to Palace and grabbing probably the 2 hottest girls at the time working. They each were sitting with separate groups of customers who were buying them tons of shots. I called each over, one at a time, and bought 1 drink and told them let's go back to my place to "party" and then we can head off to BONE to continue the "party. " At the end of the night, they can keep the unused bottles at BONE. By the way the truly big rollers at a club are just sipping on water, cola, and juice with their bottles of liquor pretty much untouched, yet they seem to have a better time than those who have drunk up all their liquor. Anyways, walking out with those 2 models at Palace, past the dumbfounded faces of their customers, was my last memorable highlight of the Go Go bar scene.

Back to what I was saying. Almost all of these girls are gone home now. A few of them, that I know who, live in and around Chonburi or Bangkok are still in Pattaya. They are trying to up their game. This one here is a dancer but she acts like she is better than the other girls. One day Monkeypaw invited her for lunch and it begun to rain all day. She ended up staying over and we fucked like 3 times. Girl was a sadist. Very rough on the monkey meat. Squeezed and pinch my nipples while riding. She tried to bite and stick her fingers in my mouth. I wasn't too happy and let her know about it. Then she asked to flip and for me to slap her around a bit, which I did lightly. Didn't like that either. But here's the worse part. She got all psycho that night. I left for few minutes to grab a bowl from another condo in same building. When I came back, she started drilling me about who I went to see? And if I was keeping secrets from her. I didn't even know her real name. It was an empty condo I just rented but knew the passcode. Next day, sent her packing. Now every few days she wants to come over and bring me food. Fuck that, near free pussy is the worse. It can be down right scary. I love my freedom. I'm sure most guys here would have done the same and not fall for this trap. Unless you are weak. Free pussy ain't worth the price of freedom, even from a Go Go bar girl (even though she's not the prettiest). This adventure experiment was short lived. I know most guys on here wouldn't fuck her because she's far from top talent or even mediocre for a bar girl. Need a new adventure with a hotter girl. Help!

[QUOTE=XXL;2449797]On Soi 6 at most one in every 6 or 7 girls has a figure that meets my standards, but I can sort them out. I don't see the top 20% of Soi 6 hanging around these days on Soi Bukhao.[/QUOTE]Try hanging at the market. Have you been to the market? Everybody and their mother goes to the market. So if you say that you are not seeing something at the market that you are seeing other places then the problem ain't the girls. Because it is the same damn girls that are working in the gogos, working on Soi 6, working in the discos, and on TF that are at the market. Maybe they look better to you under bar lights or with skimpy clothes or something, but they are the same chicks. The other day me and my buddy were standing at 7-Eleven getting chicks' info as they passed by.

[QUOTE=XXL;2449797]On TF poor figures and nice tits / faces (mermaids, wheel-chair types) are at a premium and there's no telling which girl might have a good body. I assume girls know this and flock to a platform that hides their main flaws.[/QUOTE]I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL. If you see a chick you like then talk to her and get her to send you a picture to your specifications. Chicks send me pictures in the Thai Friendly app without me even asking or wanting them. Come on man. This stuff is simple.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2449667]The rest of the discussion is:

- me: "and how much for LT?
- her: "7000 baths". (Also you are right about the prices you give, it is not delusional).
- me: "But honey for this price I have to sell my house."

And there, she does not seem surprised. She must find it normal that an old man with a crappy t-shirt and flip-flops sells his house to spend the night with her (because I don't have the same power of seduction as you or Mr Enternational).[/QUOTE]I never take the girls out of gogos for LT at first time. Just not worth the money and risk. If after ST I like her and there's chemistry, I meet her in day or pick her from gogo (I have done this mostly in BKK though) on a much less fee. Sometimes less than what I gave her for ST. Once I gave 2500 for ST to a chick in Suzie wong. Next night I went again gave her 2000 for LT without mamsan finding out. Barfine was obviously the same.

And I ain't no seducer LOL. Just like everyone else here, I pay to have sex, 70-80% of times.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449828]Try hanging at the market. Have you been to the market? Everybody and their mother goes to the market. So if you say that you are not seeing something at the market that you are seeing other places then the problem ain't the girls. Because it is the same damn girls that are working in the gogos, working on Soi 6, working in the discos, and on TF that are at the market. Maybe they look better to you under bar lights or with skimpy clothes or something, but they are the same chicks. The other day me and my buddy were standing at 7-Eleven getting chicks' info as they passed by.

I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL. If you see a chick you like then talk to her and get her to send you a picture to your specifications. Chicks send me pictures in the Thai Friendly app without me even asking or wanting them. Come on man. This stuff is simple.[/QUOTE]The problem with your "same girls" reasoning is in most go-go bars and the other venues you mentioned there is a small percentage of girls that would qualify as high demand, maybe 10-20% at best. The other 80-90% are some level of acceptable, arguably doable, barely doable and desperation time. Even if ALL of the girls who work (worked) in go-go bars had profiles on ThaiFriendly and showed up at the markets every day all at once, those percentages are not going to change.

Just because someone hooks up with a girl from a go-go bar for a super discount price on ThaiFriendly or after meeting her at the durian section in a market that doesn't mean he got one of those 10-20% high demand girls. He might be getting one from the lower levels if not the lowest level of quality in her bar. His discount price might be the most money she has gotten from a customer for sex in a year. And understandably so.

The mere fact that some girl I met on ThaiFriendly who agreed to have BBFS+CIP with me for 500 baht once worked in a go-go bar or will work in one again someday is no reason whatsoever to celebrate and congratulate myself for playing a winning game because doing so says nothing about whether or not I wasted one of my precious ejaculations on a fugly and way overpaid for the priviledge even at 500 baht.

Mr. E, I understand you are not a go-go bar punter. But in your next 2-3 curiosity visits to some, take a good look around. There are plenty of fuglies and barely doables working in go-go bars. And, dare I say, particularly in many of Pattaya's go-go bars. Scoring with those "same girls" online or anywhere else in the city would still be no bargain for some of us. In fact, it might not be a "win" even for free.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449529]No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!

First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.

I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.

Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.[/QUOTE]So she drank some of your liquor. Big deal. Just buy some more. Did she polish your knob good? If so, it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Based on your handle, you clearly have the resources to travel around the world to hobby. So a woman less fortunate who has to sell her body to make a living drank some of your precious liquor. Get over it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2449840]The problem with your "same girls" reasoning is in most go-go bars and the other venues you mentioned there is a small percentage of girls that would qualify as high demand, maybe 10-20% at best.[/QUOTE]Another problem is that the people who are taking chicks out of gogos are not saying yippeee. I got the girl with the star beside her name meaning that she is in high demand. Not that what 8 out of 10 other punters want concerns me and what I want. Hell, I am sure that they have high demand ladyboys too. I am not chasing after something just because someone says it is high demand.

MP (and BB at times) is the ONLY one that puts pictures up to support his claims. And mfs still have the audacity to doubt he even exists, despite having met several members from the board. So it is a no win.

For all anyone else knows the rest of the people saying my girl is better than yours because she would not take less than 3000 baht from me could be choosing from the other 80 or 90% that are not in high demand. Afterall, being that they are the same price, who is supposed to judge who has the longer dick without having mamasan's score card?

So the question still remains then, where can these so-called high demand girls be found when they are not inside of a gogo (or Soi 6, in reference to XXL's favorite chicks that he can't seem to find semblance of outside of the place)? Are they somewhere reclused like Howard Hughes or do they brave to walk amongst all of us normal folk outside of gogo hours? I mean since nobody else can seem to point out these mystical creatures outside of a gogo and all.

First it was if you are not paying 3000 baht for a gogo girl then you are not shit. Now it has changed to if you are not paying 3000 baht for these 3 particular gogo girls then you are not shit. Nobody will ever score with all of this goalpost moving.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449756]Be careful. Some morons may believe that the chick got hit with an ugly stick between the first date when you picked her up in the gogo and paid 3000 and the third date when she was freelance for 1000. Because you could never get a good looking girl for that pittance.

Are you negotiating this beforehand?[/QUOTE]The ones that I have a third time are the ones where we have a fun time just being together and talking, a connection. Those are pretty girls, but not the most beautiful ones in the bar. I have found that the most beautiful girls are often pains in the ass in the room.

When exchanging Line information, I typically say something like "more next time". She agrees to nothing specific, but the condom doesn't appear for the next session. Sometimes the condom didnt appear the first session.

My appearance and demeanor may be related to my success using this technique. I'm an older farang and a bit heavy, but I have a clean and carefully groomed appearance. I am always very laid back, calm, never drunk, and I stay in decent hotels, like Mercure in BKK or LK Empress in Pattaya. I give the impression that I have little experience in the hobby (which makes me worry that they may see me as a mark for theft). I tell them I've had a vasectomy (true) and they see me as low risk. I think they might also see me as a possible sugar daddy after I go back home, though this has seldom been discussed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449852]...
MP (and BB at times) is the ONLY one that puts pictures up to support his claims.
...[/QUOTE]And as far as I know neither one of them are claiming or even remotely suggesting they routinely and the vast majority of the time (90%) get BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero discussion about condoms for 500-700 baht with any of those girls.

Ah, then there's your golden opportunity to really drive your insistent point home and show up the rest of us for the inexperienced losers you suggest we are; Why not search out those particularly attractive (and well reviewed, so it won't just be about looks) girls featured in MP and BB's posts, score them for BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero conversation about condoms and only pay them 500 baht.

Then report how it all turned out here and really make the rest of us look like fools.

Actually, it ought to be easier to do that these days than ever considering the current dire economic circumstances. Although I know your position is that result can and would happen routinely and quite easily with all manner of Thai girls even during normal times, high season times and when the streets, bars and clubs are packed with eager customers.

I have a theory on why I don't see Pretty Thai girls walking Pattaya during daylight hours at Terminal 21 or Central. There just aren't many pretties living in Pattaya period.

So much more opportunities to make money in BKK is my take. Customers in Patts want cheap. Couple that with low volume of customers make it a tough go, for the girls.

Soi 6 gets a lot of likes. I have yet to see a 6.1 or better. I have yet to see more than 3 farangs in a bar at one time.

That's a good one the 700 baht girl with a star. Gold Star I presume?

Mr E short for Mr Entertainment. I don't know if drives people to post or scares them away with his price Gestapo techniques.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2449911]Ah, then there's your golden opportunity to really drive your insistent point home and show up the rest of us as the losers you suggest we are; Why not search out those particularly attractive (and well reviewed, so it won't just be about looks) girls featured in MP and BB's posts, score them for BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero conversation about condoms and only pay them 500 baht.

Then report how it all turned out here and really make the rest of us look like fools.
[/QUOTE]For the goalpost to be moved again? It would still be but this, but that, the same way it is now and the same way it has always been. I already admitted that there was no way to win at this thing. I know what is going on in this room. All I am trying to do is pass along information. Take it or leave it. Try it or don't. Of course what works for some will not work for all. But to say this does not work because I have never tried it is asinine.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2449689]Thai girls seem to like to check their weight on a scale to know if they gained or lost. This one was 44 kg. Her natural tits must have been at least 1 kg each.[/QUOTE]Fuck me, wow! Incredible body.

The Tall Man.

Upload a stylish smart looking pictures of yours in chatting app you use. Brother I am also in you group girls did ask me almost 1. 5 time they ask other guys. Try soi6 gurls may be ruby club their you can find nice affordable girl or near by bars in soi 6.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2449766]I think I get the high a quotes because perhaps these girls just don't want to fuck me. Maybe they detest my style or looks from my profile. Or perhaps I do not know how to select the right girls. It could be that my perspective on what's hot and sexy is iffy. The girls may be in reality "ugly" by most standards and they are going to try to "milk" me for the most amount of money when the opportunity comes. Take this one girl who doesn't seem to have the self confidence to even reply to her messages from men. She probably sees me as a sucker and hence the 2000 baht short time rate, which seems high. I've been told that my ideal body type for a girl is rare (and somewhat not sexy), but I did see something pretty close yesterday near Tree Town that will keep me searching. Or perhaps, I've been mistaken all along and this body type is actually "ugly" by human standards? A little guidance or help from those still here would help. I'm always ready to listen and learn on how to spot top talent, get them for cheap, and get GFE service on a daily budget. I can offer a free lunch or dinner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2449781]Chill Inn Pizza Review[/QUOTE]Good pizza and pasta is a real struggle in Pattaya.

In fairness each girl has different styles. Rates has went up across SEA in the last 10 years. All it takes is for 1 guy to be generous and give a 2 k girl 5 k. Now she thinks she is 5 k. Some girls have expensive habits or boyfriends and families. Some girls are competing with their girlfriends. One of Mr. E's ex was preoccupied because she knew a girl that could dance better and had better business acumen and a few good sponsors. So yes girls compete to see who is the highest earner. Ladies take it personal if you give her friend 3 k and she only got 2 k. Mr. E ex didn't want to look for a new customer everyday because she is older and wants steady revenue. She was OK with slow money vs fast unpredictable income streams. Girls rely on street smarts. YMMV. Plus you may feel its trivial to bicker over 300 baht whereas a fixed income pensioner feels that savings let him live it up at McDonalds. The weekend millionaires and tourists keep rates high off indifference and ignorance. They may have been home saving all year and are not going to ruin their holiday over 3 k. Some guys don't care about money. They cut corners by not buying clothes or cars. They value female companionship. There are old guys who have no qualms spending half of their income on the hobby. You should go in knowing market rate and what's fair. Some guys don't tip satisfactory service or give bike fare. I would talk to the vets and research the Patts honey market and start spending what you feel comfortable with. Do not let guys price shame you when locals are getting it for free or the girls are treating them to dinner. I know guys that will buy girls commissioned drinks all night and lie that they got the goods for free. Worrying about working girls can be time consuming. At the end of the day it is a business transaction. Which means your not on the hook for pandemic crisis etc. There is a Laotian lady on Soi 6. The 2 and time I hired her outfall. She waited until Soi 6 closed and wanted the barfine too. I thought this chick is loyal to the bar. Since she couldn't give me a break I don't always buy her a drink when I see her and I don't barfine her. The freebie and girls that worked with you should get consideration. The girls that stay with me 30+ minutes. Over a lady drink are in my good graces. Chicks that charge more than market value / completely about the bar won't get special considerations in lean times. Some guys pump / dump. So say it's what he really wants but he pays double. He reserves the right not to repeat. Repeating with a girl who hurts your wallet is a recipe for disaster unless she is your dream girl. Mr. E theme is shop around because he has many options. He can find a serviceable or comparable companion he likes at his price point. Girls can keep their rates high so long. She cannot go home without a customer every night unless she wants to find a new occupation. Alot of these girls can survive off $20 a day. So 3 k for 1 hour of laying on their back is winning. Plus some girls like sex and meeting men which is the cherry on top. Simps allow the girls to hold out when they get big cam money or Western Union care packages. Besides why keep a girl around when your handing her 2000 baht a day but once a week she goes quiet if you don't have exact change for the baht bus? In a nutshell if Patts is not cheaper or easier than dating a civilian or your getting girls out of your league it isn't worth the fuss. Guys that live in Patts or visit frequently should be getting the hometown discount. The weekend millionaires model is exhausting.

Criminal activity up in Pattaya? Released criminals are being re-arrested in my neck of the woods. I see a lot of angry people on the streets like never before. I don't live in the hood. I live in a high priced Real Estate area.

I eat lunch at a busstop every day. One of these hoodlums walk nearby I'm afraid of being a crime statistic. Hard to enjoy lunch.

I'm not going to identify her but she had a customer who paid her triple her normal rates. The caveat was this was 1 day out of the week. He was not loyal and didn't respect her. Yes the ladies have to eat too. But she knew the rest of the week she needed a boyfriend who didn't demean her even if he paid her market rate. Technically a holiday girlfriend arrangement. So yes some girls will be with a pig occasionally for 10 k but appreciate a respectful 1 k customer more if he is treating her like a lady and making time for her. In closing I can give a girl 4 x Mr. E's donation and she still prefer Mr. E. As the board has been saying he is boots on the ground and in town more than me. Just don't be the nice guy getting burned by the girls. It is a business do not take things personal. Patts is more competitive than ever with recent influx of men under 35 years old. Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.

They can get with a local man. Say a middle of the pack working girl has 20 guys kicking the tires during high season on a busy weekend. Say Grandpa has lived in Patts for 10 years. He may say no. But say the Navy guy is in town he may bite. Then the weekend Millionaire from Mid East the next night. So even if she gets a quarter of the guys to bite (5) she is meeting her quota. It is feast or famine. During low season she may take Mr. E's offer. MP: some guys avoid weekends to get lower rates and others avoid high season. Sometimes it takes patience. Mr. E might let a girl sit on his offer for the weekend and maybe she jumps on it the next weekend. Mr. E isn't a sitting duck. He makes offers to multiple women. Sometimes they have to wait their turn after giving him a chance. During the good times the girls knew their were planes full of men with full wallets landing every week. The newbies and rookies reward marginal and hot girls all the time. They think they have access to good girls. MP understand. Some girls have jobs. This allows them to keep rates high. If she can sell lots of lady drinks she can be more loyal to her real boyfriend. If 100 guys are western union her baht she can hold out. Some girls may say. I can take MP 2 k or party on walking st with her girlfriends. If MP counters with 1500. Guess what? Mr. E is with her up later that night at the disco. When negotiating with these girls know when to be firm and walk away unless your ultra horny or have blue balls.

Cool mentions Mid East customers. Is Mr E fond of girl who service ME guys? That would explain a lot.

I don't see why agogos don't have different prices for their staff. Whats so hard about having different colored numbers? It would give the less than desirebles a chance while impacting the stars a smidgeon. Pretty will get customers no matter what.

What say you?

[QUOTE=Cool;2450012]I'm not going to identify her but she had a customer who paid her triple her normal rates. The caveat was this was 1 day out of the week. He was not loyal and didn't respect her. Yes the ladies have to eat too. But she knew the rest of the week she needed a boyfriend who didn't demean her even if he paid her market rate. Technically a holiday girlfriend arrangement. So yes some girls will be with a pig occasionally for 10 k but appreciate a respectful 1 k customer more if he is treating her like a lady and making time for her. In closing I can give a girl 4 x Mr. E's donation and she still prefer Mr. E. As the board has been saying he is boots on the ground and in town more than me. Just don't be the nice guy getting burned by the girls. It is a business do not take things personal. Patts is more competitive than ever with recent influx of men under 35 years old. Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.[/QUOTE]You're completely missing one thing. That people who can pay market price also usually treat girl well. All the girls I have asked this, very few mongers actually treat girls badly. Koreans and Chinese, who pay a very good fee, are usually quite easy going. So assuming that some hot girl would prefer someone who will pay 500-1 k because he treats her well, is not very accurate because there are many who would pay market price or above market price and still treat the girl well.

Saying that, for some mongers, budget and quantity have higher priority than quality, looks and service. Which is quite fine too.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450003]In fairness each girl has different styles. Rates has went up across SEA in the last 10 years. All it takes is for 1 guy to be generous and give a 2 k girl 5 k. Now she thinks she is 5 k.
...[/QUOTE]I suppose that is the basic assumption that motivates Price Shaming. Not that you were doing that. You weren't. However, 100s of posts by visitors and expats alike on these threads regularly contradict that premise. Sometimes by the Price Shamers themselves.

If that premise were true, it would not be possible, much less easy, for Mr. E to have ever scored a girl for 500 baht that once recently and likely several times had been paid 2,500 baht and/or for me to have ever scored a girl for 2,000 baht who once recently and likely many times had been paid 5,000 baht, each for the same amount of time and service.

Yet I can assure you I have done that and have no doubt Mr. E has as well. And I'm talking about many situations where the deal was struck before the girl knew I lived here or had ever seen or met me before. So the local resident expat vs weekend millionaire issue is not the deciding factor.

Which is why my opinion has always been that over payers are not "the enemy" when it comes to lowering Value For Money in a P4P destination or venue (at least, in Thailand) as much as low demand customers are.

It is my experience and observation that a Thai P4P girl who gives her first BBBJ+CIM, for example, and discovers she neither choked to death nor saw her tongue fall off afterwards would be inclined to add that service to her income earning offerings. Why not.

But a Thai P4P girl who gets handed a silly large amount of money for her time compared to the general going rate will probably only think there goes another weirdo, glad she got the money, but in no way thinks life going forward will be all about getting that same amount of money every time or most of the time.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2446764]Walking around Beach Road etc, what is your opinion of the stock of women compared to bygone days? Surplus stock? Pass sell by date? Good as ever? How desperate are the women in general, now that demand for their orifices has dried up? Have you spoken to any bar owners or the like with skin in the game? I am trying to gauge my return?[/QUOTE]A few others on the ground have answered this from their own perspective, but I forgot that this message was directed at me and you wanted a MP style response. So sorry for the late reply.

As of May 11, 2020.

The Beach Road Babes. Remember the most famous "Babe?" Either Ruth or The Pig, pick your choice to kiss, DFK style because it's probably cleaner than what's on Beach Road now daytime. Nothing but a bunch of homeless crack hoes and Thailand doesn't even know what crack is. They are dirty as fuck and Monkeypaw wouldn't let them suck his dick for free. I had a dirty raunchy looking one blow me a kiss as I was walking by. I ducked and weaved and ran off so that it didn't hit me. And everybody knows I've got low standards when it comes to a girl's looks, so it must be real bad. Daytime homeless hookers (5-10) can be found, yep guess right, daytime, around Soi Post Office by McD's all the way until Mike's Shopping Mall on the business side. The Beach side is closed for loitering and hanging out. You can still walk and run, but no standing around. They say it's to contain spread of CVD-19. But that's for dumbasses to believe. So kicking the hookers and their Johns to the other side is supposed to be less contagious? Smart people know that less customers, less business, less money, means no government kick backs and means you don't get to use their property for your leisure. And that means the beach. No tourists dollars means no need to open because who is going to clean the mess from all these locals picnicking on the cheap because ain't nobody got any money. Like I said, the dumbasses in charge should have never jumped the gun and scared everybody off. Imagine if the USA or UK or Spain only had the same amount of cases and deaths as what "supposedly" is reported in Thailand. There would be orgies and parties everywhere. In times like this, Thailand should have marketed themselves as the "safest, most fun place to be in the world to wait this crap out. " And those who stayed would be discounted on everything they need. If Vietnam can make the world believe the bullshit of 0 deaths, so can Thailand. Anyways, night time (around 6 pm) Beach Road gets a bit better but not much. Start of the track is from Ripley's Believe It or Not until the 7-11 next to Central, and consists of the same 20-30 girls every night. There is a decent older (40 ish) nice body short girl by Soi 12, but too old for me. There is some prissy older (late 30's) chick with a small tattoo above her ass by the old Subway. Her body looks decent, but she's always there, so something is wrong. She has a newer green motorbike who always looks the other way when I walk by. Maybe my hideous face scares her? If I was not into girls 18-29 years old, I'd bang for 1000. So Beach Road Babes pricing start at 800, but I'm sure they have taken less. I wouldn't pay more than 1000 for any of them from the Beach. Your bill from the doctor would end up being more. Beware of the underage homeless group that offers sex on Beach Road. Beware of the 1900 baht bicycle for sale (stolen) on Beach Road. Beware of the drug addicts trying to act like drug dealers on Beach Road. This strip has become a strip of scams because times are hard. Evening time police is all over trying to "fine" foreigners for no masks, no helmet, standing around, loitering, and whatever they can find. What do you think happened during the police meeting when they said no tourist dollars are coming for awhile? By the way, hottest thing on the beach are the volunteer female cops. But there was this one nicely fed, never missed a meal gal (pictured in sexy yellow sun dress) that I may have taken if it wasn't for my 5 pm appointment with a TF girls.

Buakhao Babes- Start around Lengkee until Sophon 350 Market. Many of the Beach Babes and Bobs (ladyboys) will wiggle their asses to this area around 7:30 or 8 pm, in hopes for finding a customer if they struck out on the beach. Lots of food stalls and the police even have been kicking people off the sidewalk around Tree Town. They use those spaces to rent out food stalls now. This is how it works. People socialize and congregate. They have money. Police see it as opportunity and try to make their cut. So no loitering around anymore on Buakhao unless you pay for a seat. Before they had a bunch of people buying from carts and having a picnic. Not anymore, assholes. I was sitting on my own store bought folded chair eating pizza on the sidewalk with some Americans. We were told to go home and eat at our hotel. But the locals where standing around all over other's closed businesses without any trouble. We just packed up and moved to where the locals stood to see if they will follow. They did not. There is pretty much the same chicks working everyday. The skinny one with the messed up face surgery gets most unsuspected guys. She's fun to watch when they swarm around her like vultures in front of the Tree Town food stalls by the durian stand, then the mask comes off. Bam! Yet I still see a few guys still go with her, so who knows? Maybe my eyes aren't tuned right this whole time and she's actually hot as fuck. Few girls working out of Vice City. Maybe 2 that I will try. One has short hair, rarely wears make up, and a bit thin. Kind of cute, but if she was working at a Go Go bar, I would have never bought her a drink. Desperate times. Anyways, Buakhao Babes and Bobs (ladyboys) about 20-25, same pricing as the Beach Road Babes, 800 on up. I've yet to grab any from here besides the LT girl who also worked TF, that I reviewed. There is one dark skinned chubby chick who walks around with this teddy bear that I may get with. Anybody seen her or know her story?

The rest is online via ThaiFriendly and the Go Go bars girls still here (very few I know). Most of the ones I know went home and they have enough funds to ride this through. They have even invited me to their hometowns. Yeah right, as if I've gotten "sucker" written on my forehead. These girls in this group, I've paid 800-2000. For me that's cheap as fuck. And leaves me with enough money for food. I've shouted out at a couple of board members here in Pattaya to get together and perhaps trade notes, brainstorm, and grab good pizza. Let's see what happens.

Bar owners are fucked until the fear of travel is gone and is less restricted by the outgoing country and incoming country. Vacations are a luxury. Sex vacations are even more luxury. I keep on forgetting, mongers like me are not the norm and are rare. How many of us are still in Thailand hunting? There is world wide recession going on and folks are dying right and left. This is economics 101 from my days of MBA school. When your economy slumps due to the scare on CVD-19, where do you want your own people to spend their money once you figure things out and things settle down? Yep, in your own country to help your own government. You don't want them to take money out of their own country top help rebuild another. So international travel and tourism is fucked. In places like China, Korea, etc where they are opening up, they are encouraging domestic vacations and scaring people off on international travel. This is why Thailand should have kept ALL their tourists in Thailand and all costs or no costs. Let's see what they do and can they figure this out. No tourists, means no revenue, no way to pay overhead. The bar owners are the one who lobbied the government and police to shut them down. It had nothing to do with COVID-19. It's called shift the blame game so our employees don't get mad at us. How do I know? Some restrictions and businesses have been lifted, but yet many places are still closed. Simple answer no costumers means no need to open. You are in Pattaya, with all these STD clinics. You think that people's health has always been the government's #1 priority? The rule that governs is that if "it makes money and the government gets it cut, they will overlook everything else. " Same with tobacco, weed, liquor, sex, and fast food. So imagine Pattaya as your little own country. How do you fix this? I've got an answer: This is a good time to get in with the Mafias of the world. They at least provide some lube while fucking you, unlike the government. So if you do return, the big question is how will you entertain yourself?

Free sharing is caring gift of the day: Monkeypaw's fav porn site is "Xfreed" Just befriend people to get access to Private Videos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2449828]I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL.[/QUOTE]One reason might be that when you've decided that you're not going to have a good time, it's going to be hard to find a girl that will make you enjoy your time with her.

No offense to Mr XXL, but his last posts doesn't reflect the psychology of a guy that is happy to be where he is right now.

When you don't show some enthusiasm in catching these girls or if they feel intimidated by you (for a compartmental or physical reason), they might not be willing to put an effort in making you happy in exchange.

Cool made me think.

Dynamic pricing. A mid level girl gets 2,500-3,000st at Happy agogo. During her down time she expects zero. Mr E comes along and offers 700 baht (and 2 Free drinks). Last I know 700 baht is better than No baht.

She likes him so much she adds 15 hours for free. Everybody's happy. Word spreads thru social media and boom. We hear about it everyday.

What say you!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450187]Cool made me think.

Dynamic pricing. A mid level girl gets 2,500-3,000st at Happy agogo. During her down time she expects zero. Mr E comes along and offers 700 baht (and 2 Free drinks). Last I know 700 baht is better than No baht.

She likes him so much she adds 15 hours for free. Everybody's happy. Word spreads thru social media and boom. We hear about it everyday.

What say you![/QUOTE]It can happen to any of us, but I would not say it happens regularly. All women inadvertantly hand it out for free or close to it every once in a while out of love, boredom, horniness or some combination of those things.

But my bet is more likely P4P ladies who very rarely if ever get takers for 2,500 - 3,000 baht are the ones who find themselves accepting 1,000 baht or less quite regularly. That's where the concept of 700 baht being better than No baht comes into play. And there are many P4P women all over Thailand in that predicament. Even during normal times before the lockdown.

If you are dedicated to targeting the most likely candidates for being in that predicament, you can easily be busy day and night with 500 - 700 baht women.

[blue]Gentleman,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Admin[/blue]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2450256]But my bet is more likely P4P ladies who very rarely if ever get takers for 2,500 - 3,000 baht are the ones who find themselves accepting 1,000 baht or less quite regularly. That's where the concept of 700 baht being better than No baht comes into play. And there are many P4P women all over Thailand in that predicament. Even during normal times before the lockdown.

If you are dedicated to targeting the most likely candidates for being in that predicament, you can easily be busy day and night with 500 - 700 baht women.[/QUOTE]Again the fact continues to get lost that they initially ask for the amount you guys say have to be paid in order to make them certifiable. So evidently someone is paying that. But it is not about to be me. I tell them no, I will pay this amount.

Same as when I walk onto a car lot and they are asking a certain amount. I say no I will pay this amount, and they accept. Let you tell it they are in predicaments because they never sell any cars and are just happy to get business. Maybe they realize they have marked the car up so much so that when smart mfs like me come in they have room to go down. Or maybe they should just hold out on the sale hoping someone like you comes in who is happy to pay the price they see on the window thinking it is "the price" or paying anything less would mean it is an inferior product.

So when I pay 900 baht for a taxi it is because the driver rarely if ever gets takers for the initial 1500 he asked me for? That could not be the case as many reports here that I have seen of guys paying 1500 baht for a taxi. There are literally thousands of people coming out after me to get a taxi. Why not just wait for one of them to get 1500 from? Surely you do not believe they are in some sort of predicament that does not allow them to be able to wait 5 more minutes until someone comes out and falls for 600 more baht that I am willing to pay. Or it possibly could be the case that I keep paying 900 baht for taxi rides that are greatly inferior to the 1500 baht taxi rides others are paying for?

There is absolutely nothing that says why pussy here should rent for 2500 baht. It is an arbitrary number pulled out of somebody's ass that many people decided to go along with. Why stop there? Why should it not be 4000 or 5000?

Back in March I was on a dating app talking to a chick. She claimed to be Russian from Vladivostok. We got like 3 lines in. Hello, how are you doing. Nice to meet you. I asked what she was doing and she just disappeared. She was so damn fine that I knew it was probably one of those bullshit profiles. One week later I was like Hello,? Still nothing.

Fast forward to over a month later, yesterday, and the chick starts back talking again. She said that she had problems with the app. I was thinking here she goes with that bullshit. So in order to speed up where this thing was heading, I asked if she wanted to meet today. She said sure. 6 pm. By then she had given me her Line so she sent the location through that app.

I went to the place she told me at the right time. But she was not outside. I sent her a message saying I had arrived and she said she would be right out. She showed up 5 minutes later. I was thinking to myself there is no way I would have waited for a Thai chick that long. She wanted to go see what was open so she hopped on the back of my bike and we hit some restaurant along Jomtien Beach. She had shrimp and I had steamed kale. 400 baht. She had asked the restaurant about beer. I guess she has not been keeping up with the news. So she did not drink anything while I had a club soda.

When we finished eating she was still talking about beer. We decided that we would go to 7 to make a purchase then go back to her place to drink. I told her that I did not drink beer so she said the Sang Som that I was buying would do her fine. We got ice, soda, tonic, and Schweppes Manao as well. 400 baht.

Got to her condo and sat on the balcony. She had me light one of those mosquito repellent deals. I told her that I didn't know mosquitos came up this high. She had a nice view of the skyline. Could see Pattaya Park, Big Buddha, and all that shit. She told me that the building is virtually empty. She said she would be moving soon to a bigger, cheaper place in the same building because the Chinese owner does not want to come down on the rent. 7000 baht. New place is 5000 baht. She said the other place is on the third floor and has shit for a view though.

We sat there listening to music and drinking and talking. She was teaching me Russian at the same time. After finishing 3/4 of the 70 CL bottle I decided to call it a night on that drinking shit. She wanted to continue on but I told her fuck that. So she decided to go take a shower and I went in to join her. I washed her body and she washed mine.

We went to the bed and started fucking like rabbits. I thought I was in an 80's porno movie. Same BB+CIP that I previously stated to be status quo in these parts. Finished and fell the fuck asleep. We woke up this morning at 7 for round 2. She said she normally wakes at 10 or 11, but my old man bladder was bursting as is usual for early AM. Man this chick is nice with it. We went to take showers and she cooked me some breakfast and I went on my way. 800 baht for those that want to count the food and drinks while insisting that there is no such thing as free pussy.

I will probably be back over there later on today because she wants to cook dinner for me. I continue to bat 1000, which makes this the best Covid ever! I will surely have some fond memories of this shit. Now back to the my girl is better than yours because I paid more argument.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450290]Again the fact continues to get lost that they initially ask for the amount you guys say have to be paid in order to make them certifiable. So evidently someone is paying that. But it is not about to be me. I tell them no, I will pay this amount.

Same as when I walk onto a car lot and they are asking a certain amount. I say no I will pay this amount, and they accept. Let you tell it they are in predicaments because they never sell any cars and are just happy to get business. Maybe they realize they have marked the car up so much so that when smart mfs like me come in they have room to go down. Or maybe they should just hold out on the sale hoping someone like you comes in who is happy to pay the price they see on the window thinking it is "the price" or paying anything less would mean it is an inferior product.

So when I pay 900 baht for a taxi it is because the driver rarely if ever gets takers for the initial 1500 he asked me for? That could not be the case as many reports here that I have seen of guys paying 1500 baht for a taxi. There are literally thousands of people coming out after me to get a taxi. Why not just wait for one of them to get 1500 from? Surely you do not believe they are in some sort of predicament that does not allow them to be able to wait 5 more minutes until someone comes out and falls for 600 more baht that I am willing to pay. Or it possibly could be the case that I keep paying 900 baht for taxi rides that are greatly inferior to the 1500 baht taxi rides others are paying for?

There is absolutely nothing that says why pussy here should rent for 2500 baht. It is an arbitrary number pulled out of somebody's ass that many people decided to go along with. Why stop there? Why should it not be 4000 or 5000?[/QUOTE]When any hooker looks you in the face and says, "2,500 baht", you automatically assume she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht? Really? Regardless what your eyes and often your ears are telling you about her relative to other hookers?

Um. Ok.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450012]Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.[/QUOTE]Team 1990's?

[QUOTE=Cool;2450015]They can get with a local man. Say a middle of the pack working girl has 20 guys kicking the tires during high season on a busy weekend. Say Grandpa has lived in Patts for 10 years. He may say no. But say the Navy guy is in town he may bite. [/QUOTE]Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450299]Back in March I was on a dating app talking to a chick. She claimed to be Russian from Vladivostok. We got like 3 lines in. Hello, how are you doing. Nice to meet you. I asked what she was doing and she just disappeared. She was so damn fine that I knew it was probably one of those bullshit profiles. One week later I was like Hello,? Still nothing.

Fast forward to over a month later, yesterday, and the chick starts back talking again. She said that she had problems with the app. I was thinking here she goes with that bullshit. So in order to speed up where this thing was heading, I asked if she wanted to meet today. She said sure. 6 pm. By then she had given me her Line so she sent the location through that app.

I went to the place she told me at the right time. But she was not outside. I sent her a message saying I had arrived and she said she would be right out. She showed up 5 minutes later. I was thinking to myself there is no way I would have waited for a Thai chick that long. She wanted to go see what was open so she hopped on the back of my bike and we hit some restaurant along Jomtien Beach. She had shrimp and I had steamed kale. 400 baht. She had asked the restaurant about beer. I guess she has not been keeping up with the news. So she did not drink anything while I had a club soda.

When we finished eating she was still talking about beer. We decided that we would go to 7 to make a purchase then go back to her place to drink. I told her that I did not drink beer so she said the Sang Som that I was buying would do her fine. We got ice, soda, tonic, and Schweppes Manao as well. 400 baht.

Got to her condo and sat on the balcony. She had me light one of those mosquito repellent deals. I told her that I didn't know mosquitos came up this high. She had a nice view of the skyline. Could see Pattaya Park, Big Buddha, and all that shit. She told me that the building is virtually empty. She said she would be moving soon to a bigger, cheaper place in the same building because the Chinese owner does not want to come down on the rent. 7000 baht. New place is 5000 baht. She said the other place is on the third floor and has shit for a view though.

We sat there listening to music and drinking and talking. She was teaching me Russian at the same time. After finishing 3/4 of the 70 CL bottle I decided to call it a night on that drinking shit. She wanted to continue on but I told her fuck that. So she decided to go take a shower and I went in to join her. I washed her body and she washed mine.

We went to the bed and started fucking like rabbits. I thought I was in an 80's porno movie. Same BB+CIP that I previously stated to be status quo in these parts. Finished and fell the fuck asleep. We woke up this morning at 7 for round 2. She said she normally wakes at 10 or 11, but my old man bladder was bursting as is usual for early AM. Man this chick is nice with it. We went to take showers and she cooked me some breakfast and I went on my way. 800 baht for those that want to count the food and drinks while insisting that there is no such thing as free pussy.

I will probably be back over there later on today because she wants to cook dinner for me. I continue to bat 1000, which makes this the best Covid ever! I will surely have some fond memories of this shit. Now back to the my girl is better than yours because I paid more argument.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, is this video out already I like to obtain it and add it to my collection.

To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s[/URL]

No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.

I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it!

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450373]To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s[/URL]

No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.

I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it![/QUOTE]Walking Street hasn't changed all that much since my first visit in 2003(Anyone remember FLB Bar?). Even the girls were still the same. Very sad to see that all the icons vanish. Pattaya will recover, it always does. Fewer bars, entertainment venues, etc, but maybe that'll be a good thing. However, it will take some time as I can't see many international tourists going this year. I was hoping to be back in October, but it'll more likely be March next year till I'm there.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450373]To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s[/URL]

No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.

I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it![/QUOTE]All my regulars who were about to come in May, decided not to come. Rightly so. And they have no idea about when they can come back. All of them have enough funds to stay afloat for few more months, and combined with their sponsors and low expenses in hometown, they're in no hurry to come back to my arms either LOL. Which is fine, I have enough in my queue. Just the other day, I was talking to another girl, who messaged me out of the blue and asked how am I doing. I met her last year around Feb and haven't met since. She didn't ask for help directly tho. She might also go back to her hometown in May end, she now works via smooci and bookings are obviously quite less.

Changing destination (country) has its own risks. Thailand has been quite safe for now. Other countries, you never know when the second wave hits, and last thing I would need is to get stuck in a country I am not familiar with. And there are very few countries where girls are actively meeting unknown mongers or new tourists. Many are just meeting regulars, so it will not be that easy to find pussies.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2450380]Pattaya will recover, it always does. [/QUOTE]Thank you for your support. I really hope you are right. Usually I am naturally optimistic.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2450383]Changing destination (country) has its own risks. Thailand has been quite safe for now. Other countries, you never know when the second wave hits, and last thing I would need is to get stuck in a country I am not familiar with. And there are very few countries where girls are actively meeting unknown mongers or new tourists. Many are just meeting regulars, so it will not be that easy to find pussies.[/QUOTE]

Pattaya is one of the only cities where I have fun without getting bored.

I know several other places in the world for P4 P, Africa, Marrakech, Havana, Mexico, Hong Kong, Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Amsterdam and even in Bangkok I end up getting bored.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2450315]When any hooker looks you in the face and says, "2,500 baht", you automatically assume she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht? Really? Regardless what your eyes and often your ears are telling you about her relative to other hookers?

Um. Ok.[/QUOTE]Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?

Mr. Enternational is wrong about him getting away with paying 1000 for what others pay 3000 not having to do with his charm, or rather, attitude though. I have never met him, but based on his posts I'm sure I've seen people like him other places. They give off this "yeah, I get enough pussy as it is. Girls like to hang with me. I don't care much if you go with me or not, but if you go with me, free or not, you better believe I'll fuck you, and you'll have a good enough time too. " vibe.

Girls everywhere in the world find that vibe attractive. Not so attractive that they'd go with him for 1,000 baht instead of beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom offering 3,000 at the same time, but if they don't have much to do at the moment, hanging out for some hours at a discount rate, or even free, is a-ok and much more fun than sitting in the room / restaurant by themselves.

If Bob or Tom suggests the same, they're going to say no, unless they're desperate for money, 'cause it just ain't fun hanging out with beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom. This is why I think some feel the need to "not believe", or think the girls are more ugly than others. There's not much point in others trying to respond in a similar way to him as it's going to come of really incongruent and fake. The girls will just think you're stupid and laugh at you. If you're not a natural at this, you might be able to "fake it 'till you make it" though, if you put in the work.

[QUOTE=Allover;2450324]Team 1990's?

Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.[/QUOTE]It's just colorful wordplay. Most expats are older in Thailand. I was just giving an example. And you're right people make fun of the old guys on this board. But guess what? People that don't monger are even harsher. Everyone cannot stay young forever. I understand the 60 year old crowd like to cheat to prove they still got it. I have lots of friends that get fits when you tell them they are not 60 yo alpha males.

[QUOTE=Allover;2450324]Team 1990's?

Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.[/QUOTE]Team 90's was born in the 90's and are 30 and under. It's the best years of their lives. Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been. They see the hobby as abnormal. That is why politicians want to clean up the lucrative nightlife. They want the family Disneyworld vibe. My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2450389]Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?[/QUOTE]I think what he meant was that just because WG asked for 2500 b doesn't mean she's worth that much. Maybe she gets 1000 b usually and scoring her for 700 B is not a big deal. I see so many WGs who ask for 3000 and then agree to 1000 instantly, and to be fair, based on their looks they don't deserve more.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2450389]Mr. Enternational is wrong about him getting away with paying 1000 for what others pay 3000 not having to do with his charm, or rather, attitude though. I have never met him, but based on his posts I'm sure I've seen people like him other places. They give off this "yeah, I get enough pussy as it is. Girls like to hang with me. I don't care much if you go with me or not, but if you go with me, free or not, you better believe I'll fuck you, and you'll have a good enough time too. " vibe.

Girls everywhere in the world find that vibe attractive. Not so attractive that they'd go with him for 1,000 baht instead of beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom offering 3,000 at the same time, but if they don't have much to do at the moment, hanging out for some hours at a discount rate, or even free, is a-ok and much more fun than sitting in the room / restaurant by themselves.
[/QUOTE]You're right, I see and know so many guys who get girls just by their personality and charm, even in Thailand. But thinking of yourself as casanova, after fucking a hooker and paying her money is ludicrous.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2450389]Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?
...
[/QUOTE]I hope so. Otherwise, there is a serious rash of reading and comprehension problems occurring among ISG members.

It is right there, practically spelled out in the first two sentences of the post I quoted and then the point is somewhat elaborated on in the rest of his post with an auto purchase analogy and so on.

There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2450398]I think what he meant was that just because WG asked for 2500 b doesn't mean she's worth that much. Maybe she gets 1000 b usually and scoring her for 700 B is not a big deal. I see so many WGs who ask for 3000 and then agree to 1000 instantly, and to be fair, based on their looks they don't deserve more.
... [/QUOTE]Not so much that she is not "worth" her first quoted price, but that there is no reason to automatically believe she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht (for example) just because 2,500 baht is the first number that comes out of her mouth.

But your second sentence nails it.

Especially if we are looking at a hooker who is, say, 15-20 years older, 10-15 kilos heavier and 3 babies saggier than girls in the same vicinity who can and do quite regularly get paid 2,500 baht for their time and services.

I would no more automatically believe such a hooker regularly and often gets paid the same amount of money as the easily observable nearby alternatives than I would believe a tuk-tuk driver with a broad smile reaching out to shake my hand and saying, "Hey! I remember you!"

Because it is always interesting to have different point of views, I post the comment of a friend who is living since several years in Pattaya. He is married to a Thai girl. I known him over 20 years ago, we worked together in the same company in Paris.

Of course you can react and confirm or not depending on what you know about the situation on the spot or what you have observed.

This is about the video I posted earlier " will Pattaya survive? ".

"I did not know this video, but unfortunately it reflects reality, exodus of working girls, moving bars, endless queue for food distributed mainly by the farangs of" bars "(3 km this am Chayapoum / buakao), etc.

I think nothing will ever be the same, even though you can find everything you want.

Since there are no customers, it is easy to find among those who remain.

The government has also showed the color: the Chinese, Koreans and other countries close to Thailand will be welcome. And the purification of PTY of "dirty farangs" which corrupt the beautiful Thai youth.

No visibility on my return to France and for you no hope of a return to Thailand this year".

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450413]The government has also showed the color: the Chinese, Koreans and other countries close to Thailand will be welcome. And the purification of PTY of "dirty farangs" which corrupt the beautiful Thai youth.[/QUOTE]Let us recall that the "dirt" started in China (and is still there).

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450413]Because its year".[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450103]A fePrivate Videos.[/QUOTE]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450396] Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been.[/QUOTE]Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2450519]Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]Some guys do the soapie as a tourist thing. Some young guys today are scared of the #MeToo movement.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450404]There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.[/QUOTE]I had two Toms before. One that saw / met me on Beach Road, she was a bartender named Tee and the other was from the deep south of Thailand named Meaw. Both never had the BBC and wanted to try, I didn't leave them disappointed. Fuck, I got to get out of this sex prison!.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450396]Team 90's was born in the 90's and are 30 and under. It's the best years of their lives. Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been. They see the hobby as abnormal. That is why politicians want to clean up the lucrative nightlife. They want the family Disneyworld vibe. My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.[/QUOTE]Guess I've been lucky that people who meet me usually don't feel I am a washed up has been. Thanks for bringing me to the real world. Your wisdom is appreciated.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2450453]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.[/QUOTE]PedroM: Pattaya will continue to be a great place to visit in the future. Other destinations will change too. The question is how long will it take for Pattaya to come back. Girls don't look sexy wearing masks.

Methinks c19 may have been the KO blow to Thailand in general.

Pre c19 I was in Pattaya December 2019. I recall seeing vacant business space all over in the main central area. Saw a you tube video today its even worse now.

Same goes for BKK. So many big operators have left the scene. Weeknights the Rainbows were having a real hard time.

We all agree that the famed Los nightlife has gone downhill the last 5 or so years. No freaking way it comes back.

What say you.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450404]There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.[/QUOTE]She's looking more feminine now, here's a picture from another board of what she looked like in April 2019.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2450610]She's looking more feminine now, here's a picture from another board of what she looked like in April 2019.[/QUOTE]She refused to make up even for 1500 baht. I guess either she's not quite that desperate or stupid as fuck. From that pic, I think I just saved myself from a big bowl of disappointment. I was hoping to convert her similar to this one a long time ago.

Many of the girls in my contacts in Pattaya have already left for their province. And those who are still there are preparing to leave. Without customers it is difficult to pay the room. Many have already sent all their savings to their families.

Pattaya is an expensive city for common Thai people.

Some of them ask me for money to return. Others tell me about their plans to open a restaurant in their city (often wishful thinking). And they take the opportunity to ask me for money for this project.

No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.

Pattaya is emptying.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2450519]Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]I did exactly as you said. Hunted local pussy at home in my 20's and 30's. With good success. Then started P4P in SEA when my luck at home went south.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450396]My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.[/QUOTE]On my latest trip in March 2020 I often went to play pool on soi 7 in the evenings. There was one particular corner bar with nice looking slim young girl who was also quite a good player. One night this girl was busy with her friend entertaining young Caucasian guys. I would have liked to play pool with her but I could not since she was busy. So I ordered a drink and sat down waiting for the guys to leave. One older lady sitting next to me asked what do I want. I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.

Every middle aged punter, who rents a girl's pussy and seriously thinks the girls are attracted to them, is an idiot.

[QUOTE=Allover;2450564]Guess I've been lucky that people who meet me usually don't feel I am a washed up has been. Thanks for bringing me to the real world. Your wisdom is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't know you. I'm just a dude behind a keyboard on the other side of the globe. I wish you the best and blessings.

[QUOTE=Allover;2450567] Girls don't look sexy wearing masks.[/QUOTE]Pftt. It depends on how freaky ya are!. Don't be in denial. 555!.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450639]Many of the girls in my contacts in Pattaya have already left for their province. And those who are still there are preparing to leave. Without customers it is difficult to pay the room. Many have already sent all their savings to their families.

Pattaya is an expensive city for common Thai people.

Some of them ask me for money to return. Others tell me about their plans to open a restaurant in their city (often wishful thinking). And they take the opportunity to ask me for money for this project.

No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.

Pattaya is emptying.[/QUOTE]You are good heart decent man.

Please do send them money. Give a bar girl to open a restaurant in nakon nowhere you will be surprised.

People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.

For all you nay-sayers out there who think the world if over, Pattaya is done, or shit will just never open again. I really do feel back for you on how dim your life must be if you hold out zero hope on things. I would rather be 100% wrong here and optimistic than sound so jaded like some of you guys on here.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450692]You are good heart decent man.

Please do send them money. Give a bar girl to open a restaurant in nakon nowhere you will be surprised.[/QUOTE]Of course I will.

Once I have validated their business plan and the return on investment.

"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?

SE.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2450724]"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?

SE.[/QUOTE]Yes, but perhaps you are missing the point. Either way, man, stay positive here, even if that's all it is, the world could use more positivism right now.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2450724]"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?

SE.[/QUOTE]And American wrestling is real.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.

For all you nay-sayers out there who think the world if over, Pattaya is done, or shit will just never open again. I really do feel back for you on how dim your life must be if you hold out zero hope on things. I would rather be 100% wrong here and optimistic than sound so jaded like some of you guys on here.[/QUOTE]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc.[/QUOTE]Are they open? Would you send me a couple of Line numbers please. Some of those zombies were HOT!! 😁.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2450669]I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.[/QUOTE]This crap happens and it's not a sales tactic that works on me. I pay them to stroke my penis and ego, not to state the obvious.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450737]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.[/QUOTE]Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.

I'm not so concerned about a price increase in Pattaya. I'm more concerned about a decline in looks. Already seen a huge difference in looks from the Good Old Days of 2016. Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.

This group is in tuned to reality.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450639] SNIP

No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.

Pattaya is emptying.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450574]Methinks c19 may have been the KO blow to Thailand in general.

Pre c19 I was in Pattaya December 2019. I recall seeing vacant business space all over in the main central area. Saw a you tube video today its even worse now.

Same goes for BKK. So many big operators have left the scene. Weeknights the Rainbows were having a real hard time.

We all agree that the famed Los nightlife has gone downhill the last 5 or so years. No freaking way it comes back.

What say you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PedroMorales;2450453]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.[/QUOTE]This guy is not and looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.[/QUOTE]Nobody on this board says P4 P is dead or sex for money is dead. But what Pattaya represents and if you have ever stepped onto Walking Street or anywhere in Pattaya, you would know what they are talking about. No other city compares to Pattaya, not Bangkok, not Angeles, not Jakarta. Last night, Mr. E, XXL, and I met up at Tree Town and our thoughts about this town was pretty much in line. We are on the ground and see the dismal despair and hopelessness. Daily long lines stretching blocks of people begging for food. Even as restrictions are lifted, most businesses stay closed in Pattaya. Where are the workers, customers, no air conditioning in the mall? Pattaya is not Bangkok or even scenic like Phuket. It survives off sex, bars, partying, and alcohol. The Health Minister knows alcohol masks body temperature. Drinking it vasodilates your blood vessels, which lowers that core temperature which can hide a low grade fever. All they have is these electronic thermometers and hand sanitizers as weapons to protect themselves to screen for symptoms. Many of these symptoms of Coronavirus is similar to being drunk besides the fever. Hence, the alcohol band in Thailand and not in other countries. Of course, they don't tell the public this. So how in the world is Pattaya ever supposed to bounce back by not being able to serve alcohol, social distancing inside a club (especially a tiny one like Palace which packs in customers for higher revenue), with every one wearing masks while trying to find the better looking girls or customers? If you know of a solution, let me know? I have an MBA in Global Business and an MHA with a minor in Epidemiology and I can't figure out any solution besides one. And that's God.

You realize that this is not a Thailand problem but a world wide problem that's going on, and a huge one at that. This is not a natural disaster like tsunami where you rebuild. Live during the Black Plague or Great Depression, and you might understand the magnitude of what's going on in the world. We are just a few months in. There has never been a vaccine for any Coronavirus (yes this is NOT the first). And Ebola, which is much deadlier, took 5 years for a vaccine, was on fast track. It's nice to be optimistic, but at least offer some rationale on your thinking or you just sound silly. It's like some of the Jews in the concentration camps just hoping for the best and turning a blind eye to the reality, all the way to their end in the giant chemical ovens. Fight back and stop living like sheep. When this started they told me not to travel. I went against it all and did my own thing because I have this thing called a brain and a mind. I trust in my own guidance over anything else out there.

You are witnessing the worse economic crisis since Great Depression. Look at the USA model and what's going on in that country when it comes to personal liberty versus public safety. It's dividing that country and now imagine that model for the entire world. People blaming others for getting sick and people fighting each other for freedom. There will be a divide, confusion, combined with a poor health system in a 3rd country is a recipe for disaster. USA is failing, while China is looming in the background, ready to take over as the #1 spot. Pay careful attention to what happens with the tension and economic warfare between these two. It WILL affect the entire world. What happens to those who align with China and embrace them (well you see what happened with the trade and import sanction imposed on Thailand by the USA recently) ? We have this global crisis pandemic like you never seen before in modern history because the economic crisis is linked a public health crisis that has always existed. COVID-19 just exposed all the flaws related to co morbidities, sanitation, and pollution. If it makes you cough or sneeze, it needs to be eliminated because asymptomatic people can spread the disease. If you want to build herd immunity or self immunity, then focus on preventing the co morbidities (cancer, cardiovascular, stroke). Which means yep. Big business like tobacco, oil companies, fast food and so on and so on. The longer this plays out, then here comes a depression with businesses failing and bail outs. But bail outs is just debt spending by countries which results in more printed paper money from a machine backed up by nothing but increase future work and inflation for the middle and lower class. Good luck traveling for mongering with inflated prices and more restrictions. Give this some thought from all perspectives and place yourself in everybody's shoes. You will understand how dismal and bleak it looks.

So yes, it does matter the price of tea in China, just like it matters what went on in Wuhan even though you lives thousands of miles away. So stop thinking on a micro (all about me) level and try a macro (the entire world) level. You only have one world unless you closed up all borders and international travel from here on out and forever. So what happens in one part of the world, can affect the entire world. Am I lying about any of this? Do your research and let me know. I'll stick to my final answer as a solution. God.

P.S. : By the way, leading up to my #333 post (Google the meaning of this number), I did give you guys fair warning and called it a FINAL COUNTDOWN. I even gave the heads up to some of you and told you to spend the last year traveling and enjoying. Feel free to go back to verify and my favorite color is still "blue. " Also, isn't strange that Thailand is 66th ranked when it come to COVID-19 with 66 country code while HR Bill 6666 about Coronavirus is being debated?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]... Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.[/QUOTE]You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450737]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Western Nevada was about 10 years ago. Made the rounds of about 4 of the desert brothels. Lineups ranged from 2 to 8 girls and none looked good. I negotiated with 1 girl in each brothel, as best I can remember the prices were about $200 for half and half (covered blow job followed by covered sex). Similar quality girls on Beach Road might be 10% of the cost in Nevada (700 baht).

[QUOTE=XXL;2450792]You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.[/QUOTE]You won't find a single girl over 25 at the Thai bars. Most are under 20. Girls do not speak much English if any at all so you will need to know some Thai. I've posted about them and posted pics of the girls available before. Most are not located anywhere near the tourist area. You will need a car for sure. The last one I knew in the tourist area was Kiss Cool which was located on 3rd Road and Soi Lengkee. That place was kick ass in 2016. I think their sister club Kiss Pub remains open in Naklua. The better ones are further away. Don't p1 ss off the wrong Thai guy or you'll be fighting 7 or his buddies in no times flat.

I did sort of stop going in early 2019 as the talent level dropped like I mentioned in my original post. I started hitting the Thai karaoke bars in Sri Racha. Some of my struggling but pretty LK Metro gogo girls started working at them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]Not even close to Vegas pricing. [/QUOTE]First let me say I would gladly pay $200 for one of the top three or four girls at Palace or Panda. But either they are only selling drinks or will only barfine with young asian guys. The top girls get to pick who fucks them while the other girls are happy with any offers.

Second I spend a few weeks each year in Vegas. Prices run the gamut. If you can even find a girl at Rhino (the best strip club) to work outside the club she'll ask $800. If you don't mind wandering center strip in the middle of the night (2 to 4 am) you will find some hot black SoCal gilrls at $200 a trick. At all various hours of the day and night you can find stragglers walking Trop near the Orleans for whatever gets them their next crack hit. A good hangout to meet more normal freelacers is the Lobby Bar at Caesars which has different girls coming and going each night to avoid security. Last Nov I found a hot one from MN here for $300 she needed to fly home for Thanksgiving. Of course all these places (except the streets) are shut down now as well.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2450453]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.[/QUOTE]I feel you. Since, I don't see the Go Go bars opening with the same thump as before. It was sad to see the #1 club with only 15 of their worse girls and 4 customers back in March. So, I want to say a public goodbye to my favorite girl at Palace.

The Good: When I first met her, I dug her looks. I thought she was pretty hot. Body was tight. Face was pretty. Skin was white. She was my number 1 girl on Walking Street when it came to number of barfines and money spent on a girl over the years.

The Bad: Over time, she changed her look to please another class of customers. However, when I showed up, she would still go with me and not them. However, I just really wasn't fond of the change, felt like I was being punished. Body was still hot, but face errr not so much. Didn't like her new look. And I finally swapped her out for another model this past Christmas.

The Ugly: Then one day she sent me a pics of her au natural. That pretty much ended it all. Nice reminder to why I don't do long time or get into relationships or want to see girls outside of the Go Go bars. I need them dolled up and looking their best for me at all times. Monkeypaw is spoiled like that.

You can decide yourself on which exact pics are the Good, Bad, and Ugly since our tastes may vary.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.[/QUOTE]What comes first, the monger or the hooker? From what you wrote, your position is that the monger will come before the hooker? Who all here will come if there are no hookers though? Even you said that you are going to be balls deep AFTER it comes back like crazy. So it seems that not even you are willing to come before girls.

Many people on here say how poor the girls are and they don't even have 300 baht bus fare to get back home. How do you propose that they will get back to Pattaya with no money? I know a lot of chicks when they first come here they will get a daily rate room where they pay 500 baht/day. They will work freelance to pay that. If they were to opt for a monthly room they will have to come up with at least 9000 baht off the rip to include deposit and first month payment. Others will stay with friends. With Pattaya empty of chicks, the chances of them being able to stay with friends are very slim. Add to that Pattaya being empty of tourists, how are they supposed to make money if they came before the monger?

The next question is about bars and gogos. The owners are meeting frequently with government officials trying to come up with a plan of social distancing rules to govern them once they open again. But until then they continue to bleed because they are still having to pay expensive leases. I have already reported a chick working at a massage spot on Walking Street telling me the rent on the parlor is 150,000 baht/month, so I can't even imagine how much it is on those bars and gogos. And add to that the police extortion fee.

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2450669]On my latest trip in March 2020 I often went to play pool on soi 7 in the evenings. There was one particular corner bar with nice looking slim young girl who was also quite a good player. One night this girl was busy with her friend entertaining young Caucasian guys. I would have liked to play pool with her but I could not since she was busy. So I ordered a drink and sat down waiting for the guys to leave. One older lady sitting next to me asked what do I want. I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.

Every middle aged punter, who rents a girl's pussy and seriously thinks the girls are attracted to them, is an idiot.[/QUOTE]Absolutely younger women prefer to party with younger guys. Anybody not understanding that is simply in denial.

Working girls prefer older guys. Why? Because they are willing to pay for their time.

As to how they feel about their older clients it's not true in my opinion they see them as washed up old farts and anybody feeling that way should think again.

Far from it quite often they click with them, enjoy their company, enjoy the sex and even occasionally fall in love.

Sure some are good at feigning affection and too often inexperienced punters get taken in but most of the time from both perspectives it is just business no more no less.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450613]She refused to make up even for 1500 baht. I guess either she's not quite that desperate or stupid as fuck. From that pic, I think I just saved myself from a big bowl of disappointment. I was hoping to convert her similar to this one a long time ago.[/QUOTE]She look really nice pretty.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450814]...

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.[/QUOTE]Yes, I don't see anything remotely close to a snap back to normal conditions in Bangkok either anytime soon. It'll require a huge leap of faith for anyone to invest serious money in any business that relies on groups or crowds of people passing through your doorway, breathing the same air, touching the same things within minutes or each other purposely or inadvertently. That includes malls, shops, bars, clubs, discos, etc.

There will be a few brave souls who will take the plunge on both sides of the cash register. But you're asking tourists to leap through flaming hoops at airports on each side of the trip and pay in advance for rooms in a destination that might only have a half dozen stray and worn out FLs within taxi distance.

Lining up several FLs on the dating sites in advance would probably produce 1 worthwhile session in 20 chats, set appontments and grand plans. LOL. Hell, it's almost that bad of a ratio for those of us who live here as long as more girls are fleeing to their family province instead of migrating to Bangkok. For what?

I am very happy to already have several winner repeats and regulars on tap here with only the need and time to try and add someone new once every week or so.

I am seeing more and more shops, restaurants and pop up spaces being completely gutted and abandoned lately. Clearly, they are not planning to reopen. So who will put serious money into those places when there are practically no customers?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450814]What comes first, the monger or the hooker?

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this?[/QUOTE]The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.

Mid term I think you are correct. However, short term you may be surprised. Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450832]The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.[/QUOTE]Totally different scenario though. Like a buddy of mine that lives here. He was first working in Khon Kaen and somebody recommend he come to Pattaya. Eventually he retired and moved here. GIs were already over this way as well and it was a long way to go back home.

Is a monger willing to travel for leisure to the other side of the world in hopes that within his vacation time other mongers will also arrive in order to lure uncertain chicks from their villages?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450832]The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.

Mid term I think you are correct. However, short term you may be surprised. Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I hope you are correct about that. However, as Mr. E stated, that is a very different scenario. A couple of them, actually. I'm guessing the people packing reopened malls in Whiteman's Land are not tourists who just arrived in town on vacation and staying at expensive hotels in the neighborhood as is usually the case with buyers (not just lookie loos) in the Central and Terminal 21 malls. I assume they are locals. Well, the locals here have been able to shop and buy things in most of their usual go-to markets all along.

And those GIs were brought to Pattaya on ships and planes whether they wanted to come here or not. They did not have to jump through flaming hoops and pay their own fare to get here.

I'm also assuming girls all over the country knew those GIs were on their way in sizable numbers long before boots were on the ground. So they were already packing their bags before the first beer got bought by a GI in a bar. I don't know how long it will be before they hear about huge numbers of male tourists booking flights to Thailand or when they will be allowed to do so. And, btw, flying here for what? Business? Maybe.

Hello Folks, I met Koop in the third week of Jan this year on Beach Road. She generally hangs out near Soi 11 on both sides of the road. She was a great character & lovely girl. I didn't take her contact details when I met her. I would like to meet her again the next time when I'm in Patttaya. She is on Thai Friendly but has not logged in for more than a year. Any one has her contact details? Can you please share?

Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450842]
Is a monger willing to travel for leisure to the other side of the world in hopes that within his vacation time other mongers will also arrive in order to lure uncertain chicks from their villages?[/QUOTE]Yes. Words are cheap but there is no shortage of reports here of guys wanting to jump on the first plane available.

Your most recent reports show that should a guy (s) arrive eminently bangable girls will appear via TF, Tinder etc. I don't think girls will make the same truly spec trip but as ET mentioned, as soon as inbound flights do become available the jungle drums will beat load and clear and girls will bus in to meet new arrivals.

I don't want to present it as bad one day, good the next but supply will rise to meet demands numbers on both side of the transaction rise. Well I hope so any way. 😀.

Let us just take one country the USA Currently or soon there will be 40,000 million on unemployment and even when they start to open up how many of those going back to work is going to tell their employer " I'm taking my vacation " it will be a good year before those who are working before they return. The only ones retirees, well off and self-employed are going anywhere near an airplane.

Now if I'm even close to right apply that to the rest of the world including China and S. Korea. Today I had to pick up a part for my fan down at Naklua, before going home I took a cruise up Naklau, down Soi 6, up and down Soi 7-8, down Beach Road, into Walking Street, down to Bali Hi, around back to Second Rd, to Pattaya Klang, back up Soi Baukhao through a number of Soi's and I'll take a guess there are lots of shops just not coming back even when things open up in two weeks.

If you live here you have the place to yourself so no need to fight about price or looks whatever fun you have it will be on what you make it!

[QUOTE=RajHyd;2450851]Hello Folks, I met Koop in the third week of Jan this year on Beach Road. She generally hangs out near Soi 11 on both sides of the road. She was a great character & lovely girl. I didn't take her contact details when I met her. I would like to meet her again the next time when I'm in Patttaya. She is on Thai Friendly but has not logged in for more than a year. Any one has her contact details? Can you please share?

Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.[/QUOTE]Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.

[QUOTE=RajHyd;2450851] Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational probably knows her.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2450872]Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.[/QUOTE]You don't understand anything about love ^^

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450832]The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.[/QUOTE]

Yes and at first the mongers jack off themselves while waiting.

I have another example: let's take the case of gold mines. First there is gold and then there are gold diggers (but not vice versa).

And after there is the gold rush lol.

You tuber Thailand Bound. Check him out, entertaining. Actually covers Bargirl stuff.

In comments a guy nick Saul Saul claims to have and a Pattaya bar manager for 5 years. Says the average girl has 500 customers a year.

I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.

He said I shouldn't doubt him. I doubt his figures. I trust my eyes.

What say you?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450911] I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.[/QUOTE]35,000 $ is about $ 3,000 a month. It's 2500 baths per days. Average 1 to 3 customers per day for a girl in soi 6 or in massage shop (to ponder with her menstrual days). I think it's realistic.

A beautiful gogo bar girl can earn more than her customers.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450911]You tuber Thailand Bound. Check him out, entertaining. Actually covers Bargirl stuff.

In comments a guy nick Saul Saul claims to have and a Pattaya bar manager for 5 years. Says the average girl has 500 customers a year.

I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.

He said I shouldn't doubt him. I doubt his figures. I trust my eyes.

What say you?[/QUOTE]I don't usually privy into financials of bar girls unless I know them well. So not an expert, but one of my regular who is a gogo girl, makes around 150 k baht per month during high season. No wonder she's in no hurry to come back.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450945]35,000 $ is about $ 3,000 a month. It's 2500 baths per days. Average 1 to 3 customers per day for a girl in soi 6 or in massage shop (to ponder with her menstrual days). I think it's realistic.

A beautiful gogo bar girl can earn more than her customers.[/QUOTE]I think twice a day for 250 days a year is on the low end of the scale for a girl who is moderately attractive and ST focused.

We had a similar discussion on the Phippines board a while ago on how many guys the girls bang over a working life. Grab a calculator and the numbers gets surprising real quick.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450972]I think twice a day for 250 days a year is on the low end of the scale for a girl who is moderately attractive and ST focused.

We had a similar discussion on the Phippines board a while ago on how many guys the girls bang over a working life. Grab a calculator and the numbers gets surprising real quick.

G.[/QUOTE]Girls can still earn money on their off days and rag when you factor in social media money western union papis. Some guys have paid and didn't have intercourse. Pathetic Loser Mongers (see Tijuana board) have no problems giving a girl 4 k with a CentralFest shopping spree included. Some guys pay girls top dollar and feel guilty if they don't give her an occasional gift. That's why hotties be looking stress free. They have deep pocket sponsors.

As previously mentioned she can be primarily ST. The bottom feeders value service. So the Beach Rd fanatics can book up the bottom basement chick that performs well. Those guys go for bang for dollar. So they overlook the mediocre hygiene and looks.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450945] (to ponder with her menstrual days)
[/QUOTE]Obviously, you didn't notice the tiny bath sponges that are for sale all over Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450975]Girls can still earn money on their off days and rag when you factor in social media money western union papis.... Some guys pay girls top dollar and feel guilty if they don't give her an occasional gift. That's why hotties be looking stress free. They have deep pocket sponsors.[/QUOTE]True. Thinking that the STs out of the bar is their only source of income is incorrect. Many of the good looking or savy girls make just as much money through remittances as they do in the bar. And that doesn't include the new phones, rent etc. It's not surprising that these girls are just there for the drinks and catch up with friends.

That's where the distinction between session counts and income becomes a little muddied.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450806]The Bad: Over time, she changed her look to please another class of customers. However, when I showed up, she would still go with me and not them. However, I just really wasn't fond of the change, felt like I was being punished. Body was still hot, but face errr not so much. Didn't like her new look. And I finally swapped her out for another model this past Christmas.[/QUOTE]She was swapped out for a new Champ, another trophy girl (in red) anyways, because I wasn't digging her change in style. You can decide yourself if my eyes are still functioning correctly.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2450948]I don't usually privy into financials of bar girls unless I know them well. So not an expert, but one of my regular who is a gogo girl, makes around 150 k baht per month during high season. No wonder she's in no hurry to come back.[/QUOTE]There are various factors deciding how much money a girl makes. Western union and other remittances does not last. As I know many remitters want absolute loyalty which these girls are unable to keep. Besides men do get tired of one girl and always want a new one especially if they have money.

I know some pretty girls who I have enjoyed who are ' kept ' by Koreans and Europeans. Only thing they are careful about is not showing up in public with other men. And be available to talk anytime which can be easily excused being with family, in the bathroom etc.

It is hard for the girls to keep playing this game. They being young and naive about money rebel and get caught and support stops. Most believe it is easy to find another sponsor or easy to make money prostituting till they get used up and old and maybe have babies.

All of a sudden no money, no soliciting, no way to support baby and family. Usually end up with a looser local living in a shanty.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450988]True. Thinking that the STs out of the bar is their only source of income is incorrect. Many of the good looking or savy girls make just as much money through remittances as they do in the bar. And that doesn't include the new phones, rent etc. It's not surprising that these girls are just there for the drinks and catch up with friends.

That's where the distinction between session counts and income becomes a little muddied.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]A girl can get no customers while punching the clock on Soi 6. Late at night she goes to a Walking St disco and a newbie gives her go go money. 5 years ago top Soi 6 girls could pass for middle of the pack gogo girls. Personality isn't required at many Thai venues like high end Brazilian botes ($75 entrance consumable) The way Pattaya is built she gets exposure all over Central Pattaya just walking around even though competition is stiff. Like Mr. E said sometimes the spotlight girl is not the cutest. She may be light skin or has a nice body. The average Pattaya guy cannot keep up with all the venues the ladies works at. He sees a hottie. He doesn't know she moonlights on the beach.

No bars, no clubs, no agogos. I've given up on the street scene, so it's all about ThaiFriendly reviews from here on out. First off the prices are all over the map. You can see some former Soi 6 Slutties, Beach Road Babes, and even GoGo Ho's mixed in with the freelancers. I tend to try for the very shy or insecure ones that have this red "does not reply to many messages or rarely replies to messages" on their profile. Not sure why, but I think I like to break spirits. If you catch my drift in what that means. I've had offers from "No" and "Ask your mother," all the way up to 4000 baht for short time. But I find that most of these girls are not budging off the prices they normally receive from their previous place of work, except Go Go bar girls at 1500-2500. However is the value still there? The typical Go Go bar girl was 2500-3000ST (2 hours max). When you figure in the time it takes to get to your room and time allowed for her to come back to the club, what's the actual cost and value? These TF girls (that I go after) ST rates are typically 1200-1500 for 1 hour and 1 pop. So are TF girls really now asking for Go Go bar prices when you break it down by the hour? There are exceptions, but not going to debate on the exceptions. So far I find it pretty much you pay what you feel the girl is worth. If I were you and money conscious, I would not pay more than 2000 and she better be a stunner. The best value I got was 1700 from a girl name Sky, I already reviewed. Be sure to ask about services ahead of time, calculate that BMI, inspect the pics, ask her to show up with make up and not looking like she just woke up, or on the way to buy eggs and you are just chore for cash, and referrals are the best. So I'm going to review my best ThaiFriendly girls and experiences and share because it's the Monkeypaw way.

P.S. : If you have different rates for any of these girls in the upcoming reviews, please share your quote. Just want to make sure I'm not getting ripped off. Funniest one was a 77 lbs chick with no tits or ass, and a golden pussy quoting me 3000 baht.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2450998]Western union and other remittances does not last. As I know many remitters want absolute loyalty which these girls are unable to keep. Besides men do get tired of one girl and always want a new one especially if they have money.[/QUOTE]That does not seem to be the case of all the ISG guys that talk about sending girls money. The theme that I see is that they don't expect loyalty but want the girl to be available for them when they are called upon. Plus it makes them feel good inside to be of help in their time of need. Many will talk about only sending to chick they know very well or go way back with. They also say that when they find a gem they want to keep her around.

I never see any talk about them getting tired of them and wanting a new one. That kind of talk comes from guys like me who do not send money and hardly ever fuck the same chick twice. You will not catch a variety guy like me sending a chick money. We are more like bih I don't even know you like that. The guys that spend more time and don't want to change out chicks are the ones running around arguing with them about mundane stuff and sending them money. Guys like me will just assume get another one the same place that we found that one rather than send money when asked or voluntarily.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2450872]Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.[/QUOTE]Agree that she is not the last girl available, there are girls better & worst than her. I liked her so just want to see her again next time, simple!

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450882]You don't understand anything about love ^^[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, not in lover with her.

I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451037]That does not seem to be the case of all the ISG guys that talk about sending girls money. The theme that I see is that they don't expect loyalty but want the girl to be available for them when they are called upon. Plus it makes them feel good inside to be of help in their time of need. Many will talk about only sending to chick they know very well or go way back with. They also say that when they find a gem they want to keep her around.

I never see any talk about them getting tired of them and wanting a new one. That kind of talk comes from guys like me who do not send money and hardly ever fuck the same chick twice. You will not catch a variety guy like me sending a chick money. We are more like bih I don't even know you like that. The guys that spend more time and don't want to change out chicks are the ones running around arguing with them about mundane stuff and sending them money. Guys like me will just assume get another one the same place that we found that one rather than send money when asked or voluntarily.[/QUOTE]It all depends on what we are looking for.

There is not much point in me staying with the same girl in a city like Pattaya, Angeles or HK. I change the girl 2 or 3 times a day, each time for ST and I do not try to spend the night with an LT, I like my tranquility and I prefer to be able to read and fart quietly in bed.

But I also move often. When I go scuba diving in a very isolated interesting spot in the Philippines or Thailand, or I take a week to travel to distant and isolated places, or where it is difficult to find girls, I like be accompanied by a girl who I like, whom I know and who seems reliable. In this situation relations deepen. And I avoid farting in bed.

So I have both types of knowledge.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451083]I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.[/QUOTE]Not surprise about Treetown since the front portion is operated by a pool of influence that operates out of Immigration.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2451090]There is not much point in me staying with the same girl in a city like Pattaya, Angeles or HK. I change the girl 2 or 3 times a day, each time for ST and I do not try to spend the night with an LT, I like my tranquility and I prefer to be able to read and fart quietly in bed.

But I also move often. When I go scuba diving in a very isolated interesting spot in the Philippines or Thailand, or I take a week to travel to distant and isolated places, or where it is difficult to find girls, I like be accompanied by a girl who I like, whom I know and who seems reliable. In this situation relations deepen. And I avoid farting in bed.[/QUOTE]I also go scuba diving all over and take a chick. The chick that I take is going to be a non-pro. And if she is not, then I make an arrangement that her payment is the trip. No matter the case, I am not sending Western Union and other remittances to any of them.

The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2451090]And I avoid farting in bed.[/QUOTE]This is a good thing as one should remain 6 feet away from others at all times when farting in order to prohibit the spread of coronavirus through the air.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451098]The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?[/QUOTE]I do LT now and then, but just not let them sleep over. I've kept a girl until 8 am, but I had to sleep on the couch. She was passed out after the club. So actually, the real reason is 2 am every night on a full moon, I change into a werewolf and I kill and devour anything in my room. So that's why I don't like for them to sleep over. The other reasons are:

1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

By the way BeerHub just opened with 15% discount but had no customers. And Mr. E is pretty much right on about picking up non working girls. A smoothie stall owner was being extra nice and flirty with me, but those who know me. Know I can't let them get close and crazy. It's bad for our family business.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451098]I also go scuba diving all over and take a chick. The chick that I take is going to be a non-pro. And if she is not, then I make an arrangement that her payment is the trip. No matter the case, I am not sending Western Union and other remittances to any of them.

The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?[/QUOTE]Hahaha.

I have to admit that I'm just an amateur and that you're a real pro.

Total respect !

[QUOTE=XXL;2451083]I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.[/QUOTE]I never pay more than 700.

What say you.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451083]I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.
...[/QUOTE]Sounds like you way overpaid by at least 800 baht for that first one and by at least 500 baht for the second one. Maybe even by 1,000 baht and 700 baht, respectively, which should have included no conversation, no objections BBFS+CIP. That is, if you'd had to pay anything at all as well as getting free dinner out of them.

You obviously were not receptive to the expert guidance right there at your disposal 😁

[QUOTE=XXL;2451083]I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have to remind these ThaiFriendly girls to wear make up. I've learn to really hate ULINE or whatever that filter app is called. I try to mix it in with all my sweet talk to them.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2451125]Yeah, I have to remind these ThaiFriendly girls to wear make up. I've learn to really hate ULINE or whatever that filter app is called. I try to mix it in with all my sweet talk to them.[/QUOTE]For me it's opposite. I prefer as less make up as possible. Many WGs here have no sense of makeup and think more is better. So for few cases, I explicitly mention not to have too much makeup. That's usually 1 in 8 girls I meet.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2451115]

1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

[/QUOTE]I'm the opposite for most of these especially #8. Breakfast is the most important meal and root of the day. Getting a ST or Online girl to arrive, without me leaving the room to find her, before 10 am is akin to solving world hunger. Much easier to just keep her for the night so that she is there, ready and waiting, upon wake up.

Enjoy. G.

I prefer ST over LT for 3 reasons:

I. It is normally difficult for me to fall asleep with a girl in my bed unless I am used to sleeping with a girl in my bed. For example, when I take a favorite girl on a side trip beach holiday for 4 or 5 days, I fully realize that I am going to be sleeping with her and after one or two nights of tossing and turning, I get used to sleeping with her and by the 3rd & 4th nights it has become 2nd nature and not a problem. But then after I travel back to the big hunting preserve (MNL, CGK, BKK) and I fall back into my usual routine of doing mainly ST's, sleeping with a girl becomes problematic once more. Go figure.

2. Although I enjoy waking up in the middle of the night with a hard on and shaggin a girl sleeping next to me, who doesn't? I prefer doing 2 girls ST during the course of an evening over doing 1 girl twice or even 3 times even though 2 girls costs more money. Go figure.

3. I Just prefer sleeping alone & waking alone. I am kind of a private person and I need my alone time in order to recharge fully. Ha Ha. But as noted in #1, I am adaptable when the situation warrants.

My reasons for preferring LT over ST are pretty mundane, I guess. I certainly no longer need nor want marathon sex into the night most of the time, multiple pops and another pop first thing in the morning. Although I do enjoy fucking in the morning, I prefer not to cum then and would rather maintain a horny edge for another girl later that day or evening.

No, I just don't like the feeling of time pressure to perform sooner than later hanging over like a cloud. And after we finish I like to wash off and lay around with her, watch a movie, fall asleep, whatever without going through the bit about putting my pants and shoes on. My situation generally has required me to walk her down to the front entrance, not just say bye at my apartment unit door. I am too lazy to do any of that right after fucking.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2450805]First let me say I would gladly pay $200 for one of the top three or four girls at Palace or Panda. But either they are only selling drinks or will only barfine with young asian guys. The top girls get to pick who fucks them while the other girls are happy with any offers.[/QUOTE]I believe I met you one night when I was with Racshack and SexMachine. You could have asked me to help you get one of the girls you wanted. With me being a familiar face at the gogo bars may have helped you get who you wanted.

I prefer short time because I'm afraid what the girl might do while I'm sleeping. I've never had a problem with my few long time experiences, but I still worry about it.

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[QUOTE=Gargano19;2451154]For me it's opposite. I prefer as less make up as possible. Many WGs here have no sense of makeup and think more is better. So for few cases, I explicitly mention not to have too much makeup. That's usually 1 in 8 girls I meet.[/QUOTE]I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2451292]and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.[/QUOTE]What you are describing is their club ego. Now that there are no clubs open you are not seeing chicks around here looking like that. The same as you are not seeing them walk around in high heel shoes. I think MP's problem is that he is used to getting the chicks from the clubs when they are made up like that. Now that there are no clubs going on they are just showing up how they normally look everyday and he is like wtf I want to see you like I see you at the club or how you were on those fancy Thai Friendly pictures that you took at the club.

I have always preferred to have the normal ego show up at my doorstep. They are also much cheaper than club egos at this stage. Any monger that participates in freelance like I do will tell you that the same chick is way cheaper when she is not inside of some venue as her club ego. Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at 1000.)

The last Soi 6 chick that I had looked amazing when I met her as her club ego. How much would she have cost me had I taken her right there? But I chose to wait until after she finished work and picked her up from home for 1,000. When she came outside with a baseball cap, t-shirt, stretch pants, and sneakers on she looked nothing like the 3,000 baht club ego. But it was the same damn girl.

I guarantee that if we walk up to the best chick that we see on Buakhao tonight, none will tell us 2000 or 3000 as they might say in a club or start out with online. And 9 times out of 10 the chick will say she works at one of those sex venues during non-covid times.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2451292]Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.
.[/QUOTE]I hate tattoos. They distort the sensuality, color and texture of the skin. They are often quite vulgar. A real kills-love.

There is a girl at Sapphyr a Gogo who is tattooed on both sides from head to toe. It looks like a printed sheet. Impossible to know what we are caressing.

May just be useful to read if you get bored while having sex.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2451292]I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.[/QUOTE]Damn right about those eyebrows, and those ugly red cheeks (christ that's not natural cheek color, ditch it already). Tatoos and heels have never bothered me, but when some wgs make huge noise by heels while walking with me, is annoying af. But I have never dated a girl with tatoos, so I guess I am not into it either.

Saying that, some are actually quite good at it and look super hot, it's just they are rare. 1 in 20 like you said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451317]What you are describing is their club ego. Now that there are no clubs open you are not seeing chicks around here looking like that. The same as you are not seeing them walk around in high heel shoes. I think MP's problem is that he is used to getting the chicks from the clubs when they are made up like that. Now that there are no clubs going on they are just showing up how they normally look everyday and he is like wtf I want to see you like I see you at the club or how you were on those fancy Thai Friendly pictures that you took at the club.

I have always preferred to have the normal ego show up at my doorstep. They are also much cheaper than club egos at this stage. Any monger that participates in freelance like I do will tell you that the same chick is way cheaper when she is not inside of some venue as her club ego. Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at 1000.)

The last Soi 6 chick that I had looked amazing when I met her as her club ego. How much would she have cost me had I taken her right there? But I chose to wait until after she finished work and picked her up from home for 1,000. When she came outside with a baseball cap, t-shirt, stretch pants, and sneakers on she looked nothing like the 3,000 baht club ego. But it was the same damn girl.

I guarantee that if we walk up to the best chick that we see on Buakhao tonight, none will tell us 2000 or 3000 as they might say in a club or start out with online. And 9 times out of 10 the chick will say she works at one of those sex venues during non-covid times.[/QUOTE]Is the 1,000 baht you are paying those (normally) 3,000 baht club girls for ST or LT?

Seems to me I have been reading the better club girls are the ones getting 3,000 baht for ST. Normally.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2451328]I hate tattoos. They distort the sensuality, color and texture of the skin. They are often quite vulgar. A real kills-love.

There is a girl at Sapphyr a Gogo who is tattooed on both sides from head to toe. It looks like a printed sheet. Impossible to know what we are caressing.[/QUOTE]Normally I totally agree with your low opinion of tats and go out of my way to avoid barfining such girls. But I have learned from punting a long time that every rule needs to be broken once in a while.

Case in point: I was minding my own business in Billboard one evening last year when I spotted a heavily tattooed girl standing on the rim of the hot tub topless wearing only her string bikini bottom. Normally I would not have given this chick a 2nd glance, but there was something special about the way she was handling herself and attracting the attention of a couple Korean guys sitting right in front of her. She had those guys eating out of the palm of her hand and by the way she handled herself with such confidence and ease, I knew that she was the reigning Princess of the Billboard Hot Tub. Those Korean guys apparently knew it too because they were continually stuffing baht into her bikini bottom.

So, I watched her for a while as I continued to look around the carousel for a girl more to my taste. But the funny thing was that like a magnate I kept glancing back over at that hot tub girl. The way she handled herself was really unique and kind of impressive. Thus I decided I had to try her because I knew that if I passed on the opportunity I would regret it. So, I gave her a smile and a nod, she smiled back and after her set she came over to my table. I bought her a drink, we chatted, she seemed like a nice girl, if you know what I mean, and I went for it. 555. She went to go get changed and when she came out she still looked totally outrageous because her street clothes could not fully cover all her tats. 555. She was quite a sight. My little hot tub princess. BTW, I was staying at the Intercontinental at the time and I remember feeling proud walking this little tart past the beautiful Thai door girls in their formal dress, who were saying sawadika to us as they gave us a genteel and proper Wai as well as walking hand in hand with my little hot tub princess through the well-lit, super glitzy lobby. We must have been quite a sight. I loved it! Anyway, despite all her outrageous tats C turned out to be a very nice girl with a charming personality and she showed me a pretty good time.

About a week later I hooked up my pal Syzygies and we went barhopping in Nana. After stopping by the 1st couple of bars he suggested we go to Billboard. I said that is fine. I will introduce you to my little tattoo princess. You won't believe I shagged this girl. So, we went to Billboard and sure enough I spotted little Miss Tattoo doing her thing being the princess of the hot tub and getting all the attention from the guys sitting in front of her. She saw me and gave me a big smile. I indicated that she should come over to my table after her set and she nodded agreement. Then I pointed her out to Syzygies knowing full well what he would think of her. 555. I knew he thought I had temporarily lost my mind, but he was too polite to say anything. Ha Ha. I just said, "watch her do her thing and tell me she is not unique and in her realm. ".

So eventually, my little tattoo princess comes over super happy to see me, sits on my lap and starts purring. I order a drink for her and we get friendly while I continue conversing with my friend who as we all know speaks fluent Thai. After our 2nd round I take little Miss Sunshine aside and give her the bad news: no barfine tonight, but I slip her 200 baht to make things ok and kiss her goodbye. My friend and I leave and hit a few more bars before finally settling in at Rainbow 2 where I meet the lovely Miss D. who a later becomes one of my favorite NEW repeat girls of 2019. I am still looking forward to seeing Miss D. when / if I ever return to LOS. So, all told it was a very good night for me.

The end of my romance with the Princess of the Billboard Hot tub came a few nights later when, true to my word, I went back to see her and barfine her one more time. The sex was just as good as the first time and afterwards I took her out for dinner, but I knew by the end of the evening that her novelty had worn off and I was not going to barfine her again. She just had too many tattoos and as such was just not my type, but holly cow, she really sports an outrageous look and has an amazing presence in her hot tub realm. The long story short is I was right taking her those two times. She was a one of kind girl with an amazing personality and stage presence, a pretty good body, and an unbelievable set of tats. Good job Natty, proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.

Normally I don't post pics of my girls, but due to the unique attributes of this girl, here are a couple of her (note that between the 1st night and the 2nd night I changed hotels and she changed her hair color from blond to brunette - I prefer her as a blond) :

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2451115]...............

1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

....................[/QUOTE]'The Dutch government has issued new guidance to single people seeking intimacy during the pandemic, advising them to find a "sex buddy"'. Not being in Thailand or Colombia at this time I am actively following the advice of the Dutch government. I am presently grooming an individual for the position. I believe that to a varying degree mongers generally have the same reasons as you for doing what they do. I have no problem with 3,4,5,7 and 8. However, with a sex buddy I will have to contend with 1,2 and 6.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2451354]. proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.
[/QUOTE]Of course! Fully agree! Especially that it is a pretty girl :)

The Billboard is where there is the carousel which turns if I am not mistaken? (or is it Butterfly?). I love when there are lots of girls on it, and there are so many that it bends. I take a seat just in front and watch them go round in circles (with my tongue hanging out on the floor). Beautiful girls there.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451083]I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.[/QUOTE]These 3 girls from ThaiFriendly have Monkeypaw's approval for best bang for buck and what you see is what you get. DFK, BBBJ, CIM, BBBJ and more but YMMV like always. I think XXL can agree they are legit providers and services are good, as I passed all 3 along to him via LINE but with their approval. The rest can add them to your "to do" list or contact them via TF. Remember sharing is caring.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2451212]I prefer ST over LT for 3 reasons:

I. It is normally difficult for me to fall asleep with a girl in my bed unless I am used to sleeping with a girl in my bed. For example, when I take a favorite girl on a side trip beach holiday for 4 or 5 days, I fully realize that I am going to be sleeping with her and after one or two nights of tossing and turning, I get used to sleeping with her and by the 3rd & 4th nights it has become 2nd nature and not a problem. But then after I travel back to the big hunting preserve (MNL, CGK, BKK) and I fall back into my usual routine of doing mainly ST's, sleeping with a girl becomes problematic once more. Go figure.

2. Although I enjoy waking up in the middle of the night with a hard on and shaggin a girl sleeping next to me, who doesn't? I prefer doing 2 girls ST during the course of an evening over doing 1 girl twice or even 3 times even though 2 girls costs more money. Go figure.

3. I Just prefer sleeping alone & waking alone. I am kind of a private person and I need my alone time in order to recharge fully. Ha Ha. But as noted in #1, I am adaptable when the situation warrants.[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

I could have written this post because I feel exactly the same things (Except for Jakarta which I don't know yet but it makes me want to find out).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2451212]I prefer ST over LT for 3 reasons:

I. It is normally difficult for me to fall asleep with a girl in my bed unless I am used to sleeping with a girl in my bed. For example, when I take a favorite girl on a side trip beach holiday for 4 or 5 days, I fully realize that I am going to be sleeping with her and after one or two nights of tossing and turning, I get used to sleeping with her and by the 3rd & 4th nights it has become 2nd nature and not a problem. But then after I travel back to the big hunting preserve (MNL, CGK, BKK) and I fall back into my usual routine of doing mainly ST's, sleeping with a girl becomes problematic once more. Go figure.

2. Although I enjoy waking up in the middle of the night with a hard on and shaggin a girl sleeping next to me, who doesn't? I prefer doing 2 girls ST during the course of an evening over doing 1 girl twice or even 3 times even though 2 girls costs more money. Go figure.

3. I Just prefer sleeping alone & waking alone. I am kind of a private person and I need my alone time in order to recharge fully. Ha Ha. But as noted in #1, I am adaptable when the situation warrants.[/QUOTE]Your third point is very relatable to me. I prefer ST over LT and only sleep whole night if I've good vibe with WG. For instance, just earlier this week, I was with my one of my covid regular. We finished sex around 8:30 and after cleaning up she just sat on the sofa without clothes, legs up on table (which I hate) and chatting on her phone. Not I love seeing nude girls sitting on my sofa, but it was 8:30 and I wanted her to get out before curfew. And getting taxis after 9 is really hard. So I straight up asked her if she can go. She seemed disapoointed, maybe she wanted to stay for night. I've seen this girl 4 times in last 2 months and I still don't feel like sleeping with her. I don't know, I can't put a finger on something why's that. Tho there have been girls where I changes ST to LT on our first meet. There was this girl I BF from some gogo for ST and after sex I asked her if she can just stay the whole night.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2451377]Tho there have been girls where I changes ST to LT on our first meet. There was this girl I BF from some gogo for ST and after sex I asked her if she can just stay the whole night.[/QUOTE]I do many ST bar fines and often the girl wants to spend the night, probably because I stay in a nice hotel while her room is a real shit hole. I usually send them away. But in early February a Butterflies girl refused to stay the night because I paid a bar fine only for short time. I offered to give extra money, but she said we needed to bring the money to the bar before she could stay overnight. I let her leave. This was late at night, perhaps 2:00 AM. I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?

That was a 3000 baht short time. Over the next month we did 2 more short time sessions for much lower prices, I doubt she was unhappy with me that first night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451317] Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at.[/QUOTE]Not one person is saying you don't get 700 baht.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

I'm starting to think you may be even overpaying. If 700 is your price pre 19, logically they should be even lower during this crisis. As to backing up your case meeting Monke, and XXL did not help your case.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2451387] I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Some bars make the girls return to the bar within a certain time frame if the customers only paid for ST. Makes sense for the bar because the bar can potentially get a second barfine before the night is over.

[QUOTE=Danny Duck;2451390]Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.[/QUOTE]

Luckily we all have different taste in girls. Syzygies cringes at all my girls because my girls have nose jobs and will look Asian mix or a kpop star and have light colored skin. Syzy prefers the natural look with the flat wide noses and skin color is not a factor. MP prefers the model types while I prefer cutesy girls. I see lots of guys barfine the ugliest gogo girls and just shake my head but I'm guessing that guy finds the girl attractive. Some guys like bodies. Some prefer faces. For me if a girl has the best body in the world I won't look twice at her if she doesn't have a cute face. Some guys overlook a lot or don't care what a girl looks like if the girl provides exceptional service. You don't choose a girl on personality but personality means a lot to me when I choose a girl.

It's all good. Way too much negativity on this board lately. It's our money we can spend it the way we like.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2451394]Yes and no. Some bars make the girls return to the bar within a certain time frame if the customers only paid for ST. Makes sense for the bar because the bar can potentially get a second barfine before the night is over.



Luckily we all have different taste in girls. Syzygies cringes at all my girls because my girls have nose jobs and will look Asian mix or a kpop star and have light colored skin. Syzy prefers the natural look with the flat wide noses and skin color is not a factor. MP prefers the model types while I prefer cutesy girls. I see lots of guys barfine the ugliest gogo girls and just shake my head but I'm guessing that guy finds the girl attractive. Some guys like bodies. Some prefer faces. For me if a girl has the best body in the world I won't look twice at her if she doesn't have a cute face. Some guys overlook a lot or don't care what a girl looks like if the girl provides exceptional service. You don't choose a girl on personality but personality means a lot to me when I choose a girl.

It's all good. Way too much negativity on this board lately. It's our money we can spend it the way we like.[/QUOTE]Yes it is our money and if we want to pay a little more for great sex, why not! I have never bargained with a girl for her time. If I feel they are getting greedy I just say NO and don't go any further. I only go to China and there have a couple regulars. I only go to KTV's with take away girls and very rarely ask for ST. I am an older guy and do not like to feel rushed, but if after sex, and I don't feel like keeping her, I will pay them a bit above ST rate and send them on their way. However, when the GFE is great and I want keep them for later or morning I never have any problem telling them to stay.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2451354]Normally I totally agree with your low opinion of tats and go out of my way to avoid barfining such girls. But I have learned from punting a long time that every rule needs to be broken once in a while.

Case in point: I was minding my own business in Billboard one evening last year when I spotted a heavily tattooed girl standing on the rim of the hot tub topless wearing only her string bikini bottom. Normally I would not have given this chick a 2nd glance, but there was something special about the way she was handling herself and attracting the attention of a couple Korean guys sitting right in front of her. She had those guys eating out of the palm of her hand and by the way she handled herself with such confidence and ease, I knew that she was the reigning Princess of the Billboard Hot Tub. Those Korean guys apparently knew it too because they were continually stuffing baht into her bikini bottom.

So, I watched her for a while as I continued to look around the carousel for a girl more to my taste. But the funny thing was that like a magnate I kept glancing back over at that hot tub girl. The way she handled herself was really unique and kind of impressive. Thus I decided I had to try her because I knew that if I passed on the opportunity I would regret it. So, I gave her a smile and a nod, she smiled back and after her set she came over to my table. I bought her a drink, we chatted, she seemed like a nice girl, if you know what I mean, and I went for it. 555. She went to go get changed and when she came out she still looked totally outrageous because her street clothes could not fully cover all her tats. 555. She was quite a sight. My little hot tub princess. BTW, I was staying at the Intercontinental at the time and I remember feeling proud walking this little tart past the beautiful Thai door girls in their formal dress, who were saying sawadika to us as they gave us a genteel and proper Wai as well as walking hand in hand with my little hot tub princess through the well-lit, super glitzy lobby. We must have been quite a sight. I loved it! Anyway, despite all her outrageous tats C turned out to be a very nice girl with a charming personality and she showed me a pretty good time.

About a week later I hooked up my pal Syzygies and we went barhopping in Nana. After stopping by the 1st couple of bars he suggested we go to Billboard. I said that is fine. I will introduce you to my little tattoo princess. You won't believe I shagged this girl. So, we went to Billboard and sure enough I spotted little Miss Tattoo doing her thing being the princess of the hot tub and getting all the attention from the guys sitting in front of her. She saw me and gave me a big smile. I indicated that she should come over to my table after her set and she nodded agreement. Then I pointed her out to Syzygies knowing full well what he would think of her. 555. I knew he thought I had temporarily lost my mind, but he was too polite to say anything. Ha Ha. I just said, "watch her do her thing and tell me she is not unique and in her realm. ".

So eventually, my little tattoo princess comes over super happy to see me, sits on my lap and starts purring. I order a drink for her and we get friendly while I continue conversing with my friend who as we all know speaks fluent Thai. After our 2nd round I take little Miss Sunshine aside and give her the bad news: no barfine tonight, but I slip her 200 baht to make things ok and kiss her goodbye. My friend and I leave and hit a few more bars before finally settling in at Rainbow 2 where I meet the lovely Miss D. who a later becomes one of my favorite NEW repeat girls of 2019. I am still looking forward to seeing Miss D. when / if I ever return to LOS. So, all told it was a very good night for me.

The end of my romance with the Princess of the Billboard Hot tub came a few nights later when, true to my word, I went back to see her and barfine her one more time. The sex was just as good as the first time and afterwards I took her out for dinner, but I knew by the end of the evening that her novelty had worn off and I was not going to barfine her again. She just had too many tattoos and as such was just not my type, but holly cow, she really sports an outrageous look and has an amazing presence in her hot tub realm. The long story short is I was right taking her those two times. She was a one of kind girl with an amazing personality and stage presence, a pretty good body, and an unbelievable set of tats. Good job Natty, proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.

Normally I don't post pics of my girls, but due to the unique attributes of this girl, here are a couple of her (note that between the 1st night and the 2nd night I changed hotels and she changed her hair color from blond to brunette - I prefer her as a blond) :[/QUOTE]A single small private TAT I'll accept but beyond that, no way. A beautiful woman's body is a joy to behold and have, why screw it up with a bunch garish crap!

Hi everybody,

I'm used to go Pattaya very often, and I noticed now that it's very easy to fuck the girls bareback! I love to fuck sexy girls 18/25 from gogos or from famous bars in Soi 6. I've noticed that 80% of the girls fuck with me without condom and let me come inside their pussy.

And the girls who ask me to put condoms, each time if I give a tip, then they let me fuck them how I want. Is it your case too?

Do you still use condoms or you fuck them bareback?

What is funny now is girls all want to wear a mask because of Covid 19 but never care to use condom. LOL.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2451387]I do many ST bar fines and often the girl wants to spend the night, probably because I stay in a nice hotel while her room is a real shit hole. I usually send them away. But in early February a Butterflies girl refused to stay the night because I paid a bar fine only for short time. I offered to give extra money, but she said we needed to bring the money to the bar before she could stay overnight. I let her leave. This was late at night, perhaps 2:00 AM. I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?
[/QUOTE]Exactly what BB said. Depends on Bar, but BF is same for LT and ST, so technically girl don't need to go back after ST. But some bars enforce her to come back for obvious reasons. In my case, girl was from Fahrenheit.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2451402]Yes it is our money and if we want to pay a little more for great sex, why not! I have never bargained with a girl for her time. If I feel they are getting greedy I just say NO and don't go any further[/QUOTE]Pretty much what I do. I don't mind paying 2500-3 k to a girl even if I know she can be negotiated down to 1500, as long as I think she's worth that amount. But there's nothing wrong or right here, paying market price or negotiating down to pulp, both are fine as long as monger and girl is happy. But I don't see why some here are desperate to prove they're "best monger ever" just because they pay less or more than usual price. Seems just funny.

Yep. Always used condom no matter where. And thanks for reminding why.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2451416]Hi everybody,

I'm used to go Pattaya very often, and I noticed now that it's very easy to fuck the girls bareback! I love to fuck sexy girls 18/25 from gogos or from famous bars in Soi 6. I've noticed that 80% of the girls fuck with me without condom and let me come inside their pussy.

And the girls who ask me to put condoms, each time if I give a tip, then they let me fuck them how I want. Is it your case too?

Do you still use condoms or you fuck them bareback?

What is funny now is girls all want to wear a mask because of Covid 19 but never care to use condom. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2451390]Not one person is saying you don't get 700 baht.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

I'm starting to think you may be even overpaying. If 700 is your price pre 19, logically they should be even lower during this crisis. As to backing up your case meeting Monke, and XXL did not help your case.[/QUOTE]A lot of the 700 range girls have bad hygiene too. Some guys go for quantity which allows the uglies to get hired. Some guys are indifferent on appearance because things are so bleak in their homelands.

I prefer pretty girls with minimal tats. Not anorexic.

So I referenced Saul Saul earlier. A guy commenting on a Thai bargirl blog. He identified himself as a Pattay Bar Manager for 5 years. He claimed the average girl of the bar has 500 customers a year. Hehehe.

Turns out he is a Bellboy in a London Hotel comes to Thailand over the last 10 years every now and then.

What say you?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2451390]Not one person is saying you don't get 700 baht.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

I'm starting to think you may be even overpaying. If 700 is your price pre 19, logically they should be even lower during this crisis. As to backing up your case meeting Monke, and XXL did not help your case.[/QUOTE]Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.

Talking about during normal times, of course. During these Covid-19 hardship days, all usual bets are off.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have ever read here or elsewhere about any such magic words or demeanor. From anyone.

Now, if the secret to making that happen practically every time is something I cannot control and change like my race, ethnicity or age, I still don't mind hearing about it for entertainment purposes or just to pass the time. But there really isn't much I can learn from it except to choose my parents a bit more strategically and delay my year of birth by a few more decades next time around.

Not sure about Bangkok, but Pattaya many places have had this pricing for some time for ST / LT. There are clubs that will charge you different prices here is an example from one popular GoGo in Pattaya that started around 5 years ago prior to their BF was the same across the board if they got BF early it was their choice to return or not.

Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.

I saw the development of the mamasan getting involved in the BF paying upfront so they can track the girl movement for the evening. Regular customers never got ask but for new ones, it became common practice. Sadly there are enough girls who will find a hole in the system and take advantage of it change the rules to protect their business these changes later like most things spread to other clubs.

Of course, like most stuff, some aren't going to like it I remember one case a popular girl couldn't understand why she had to return she ended quitting then regretting it later.

Found out the grass wasn't greener at other clubs like Sensation being on an agency contract. At this same club, their policy changed depending on the time you must return back to the club 2-3 hours and if you don't get BF again by 1 am you had the choice to go home anytime thereafter. Some girls benefited by accident doing LT for 4-5000 baht then realized if they get early ST for 2500/3000 return and get another one thereafter the math was to their benefit they could be home earlier sleeping in their own room and eating somtom.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451488].... a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time ...[/QUOTE]This BBFS thing is a confusing variable. I have only realised of late that when mongers say Thailand is better value for money than say German FKKs or Brazil, what they mean (but don't say) is in TH they get bareback which they don't in Germany or Brazil. Barebacking is an underlying current in all Thailand threads. I am not (no longer) into BB. On the contrary, being somehow into DATY, for obvious reasons I'd rather have a girl who has a habit on insisting on condoms.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451516] what they mean (but don't say) is in TH they get bareback which they don't in Germany or Brazil. Barebacking is an underlying current in all Thailand threads.[/QUOTE]BBFS is easy to find in Germany, many AO clubs, smaller FKK clubs, laufhaus, gangbang clubs, all you can fuck clubs, etc. For the most part the girls are not the best Germany has to offer but there was a Hungarian girl at Dietzenbach who imo was one of the top lookers in Germany.

For a guy wanting BBFS in SE Asia, it is more easily found in Jakarta and Phnom Penh compared to Thailand. Thailand may have more girls because of pure volume of girls but percentage wise lags far behind Jakarta and PP. I'm sure it's easy to find BBFS in PI as well.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2451492]Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.[/QUOTE]

On slow nights in the club, I have had gogo girls slip me 1500 baht or whatever the barfine was and say give this to mamasan and tell her you are barfining me. Of course I'm an opportunist so I ask what's in it for me. Most will say we'll go grab some food or go have some fun. I've also received messages from girls sitting in the bar saying she doesn't want to work. She asks if I can pay the barfine and she will come over or I can go to her place. I don't consider this second group as Freebie girls since technically I still have to pay the 1500 barfine.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451488]Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.[/QUOTE]Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2451492]Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.[/QUOTE]And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451488]Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not[/QUOTE]That's easy. If you are looking for BB or CIP then go to the Philippines.

Do they even sell condoms in PI 🤔 😁?

G.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451488]Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not[/QUOTE]That's easy. If you are looking for BB or CIP then go to the Philippines.

Do they even sell condoms in PI 🤔 😁?

G.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2451292]I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.[/QUOTE]I like them made up. I also have no problem with tats. I like a working girl who looks and acts like a working girl. As a friend says, "A dirty mind is a joy forever. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451533]Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.[/QUOTE]Yes, this happens for sure! But the ones I've done it for or spoken to usually for other reasons. Tired, hangover, sick, Boyfriend or Tom problems, got some time off the next few days BF ahead paid but now want to get an early start on the road need to have BF paid my customer if they do it themselves the rate is higher. Yes, I've been told a few times they want to join their friends at I-Bar but most of the time it was for more personal reasons.

I've even done personal verbal questionnaires with girls to get a sense as to what they like in regards to customers (whites or Asians) I-Bar or Isan local clubs and majority seem to like if given a choice party at local groups. I was once told when I go to I-Bar I dance for them, when I go Isan I dance for myself from my experience I've been to both when they get going at local clubs it is as if it is Songkran that night.

I was down your neck of the woods while cruising I saw a clear sign it will not open again, NINGA GoGo, had a for rent sign or sale on the door.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2450832]Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.
[/QUOTE]Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2451564]Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.[/QUOTE]You know what he means: Stolen-from-Aborigines Land. Thailand: Land with a bunch of Thai people. Whitemansland: Land with a bunch of White people.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2451564]Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.[/QUOTE]You are welcome to your own beliefs and concerns but lets not go getting all PC here. It's about as racist or factual as the term LBFM.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2451563]I was down your neck of the woods while cruising I saw a clear sign it will not open again, NINGA GoGo, had a for rent sign or sale on the door.[/QUOTE]Wow what a shame. Ninja was by far the best gogo bar in LK Metro in 2016 and 2017 when I went around every 2nd day, if not more. I've met many gems there. Unfortunately, imo one of the best ones was killed in a motorbike accident. RIP.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2451564]Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is racist, I think it is based on how it is put? I've used it a number of times most likely more than anyone here " white " Now if I said it like white mother fucker that would be another thing? It is not more racist than the word " Jap " being used and it has been used thousands of times through the years since this board opened.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2451588]Wow what a shame. Ninja was by far the best gogo bar in LK Metro in 2016 and 2017 when I went around every 2nd day, if not more. I've met many gems there. Unfortunately, imo one of the best ones was killed in a motorbike accident. RIP.[/QUOTE]The other day I rode through W. S. I didn't see any signs like what I saw for Ninja but there was a new club next to the old Tony's disco for Panda Club, not the same as Panda GoGo the Grand opening was New Year Eve, the lower portion was all torn out.

Let me add, this being the first day of the second part of the opening so I decided to take the family to Big see, extra for dinner being able to sit and relax with A / see we get there now you got to use some type of BarCode (forgot what you call the stuff) prior to even having your temperature taken, you also need to sign your name and give your phone number. When we got inside found out the place MK, you could eat in now but since I was with 5 we weren't going to be able to eat on the same table nor were we allow to order a Hot pot to share.

So off we go to a regular Thai outdoor place on Sukhumvit, we were allowed to sit together share food but alcohol wasn't allowed on premises problem this time of year with Durian in town lots of flies. After dinner still early before heading home the wife wanted to take a spin around the Maphrachan Lake, now before the road lockdown not much was being enforced on the Darkside except massage, salons, bars, and clubs. When I got to the Lake I never seen so many vehicles years past you would never see even one Thai exercising the parking lots were jam-packed, food carts line up everywhere I had to check the calendar thinking it was Loy Kroytong or something talking about zero social distancing. Restaurants were packed serving liquor, music was playing it was if Thais knew the world was coming to an end or they just found a vaccine and decided to celebrate. You couldn't have a hot pot at MK in town but the local hot pots (jim June) were packed. The funny thing most surprising on the Pong side of the Lake is a soccer field right across from the police station they were having a full game of soccer going with spectators!

Now I don't know about all these stats but if tonight is any indication where it seems there isn't a rule or virus if an uptick in numbers if not, one got to wonder what the real fuss is about with the lockdown because tonight I saw no social distancing I saw people closer than if they had a girl giving them a lap dance. Cross your fingers either it is going to get bad or it is the wild west again?

First you need the massage shops, bars and clubs to reopen. When and how this happens is anybody's guess but my gut tells me it's going to be slow, gradual, with seriously regulated limited opening and closing times. Maybe even with some cocked up social distancing guidelines inside although how that could work in a go go is beyond me. I chuckle imagining the girls mincing around the poles butt naked wearing only a mask and heels. Personally I love that eyes only look so could be a turn on.

We have 5 or 6 months before high season kicks in. By then there should be some semblance of back to business. Most likely the girls will drift back to where they used to work well before there are enough punters to go around. It is difficult in 2020 to see enough mongers visiting for all of them to make a living and it's more than possible some of the lower end girls will end up going back home. Making that more of a possibility is the return of girls who were working in Korea, Singapore, the Gulf and elsewhere. These by and large are smarter better looking girls who if they don't go back again to working abroad will rejoin the local scene further increasing competition.

On which business's reopen my guess is that some of the one off smaller operators will call it a day particularly if they were struggling before everything went belly up. The reality is P4P in Thailand has become much more organized with less and less room for independents. This was for example already happening on Soi 6. I believe the go go segment will be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Cash no matter its origin will be king. The good ole days when you could lease a shop house and have your Thai sweetheart open a bar while still possible in second tier locations is becoming a less viable financial proposition. Normally less competition means higher prices but with the imbalance between supply and demand prices at a minimum should remain as is.

Who knows all this could be pure nonsense and the country could be overrun with sex hungry hoards flush with cash saved during the lock down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451488]Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.

Talking about during normal times, of course. During these Covid-19 hardship days, all usual bets are off.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have ever read here or elsewhere about any such magic words or demeanor. From anyone.

Now, if the secret to making that happen practically every time is something I cannot control and change like my race, ethnicity or age, I still don't mind hearing about it for entertainment purposes or just to pass the time. But there really isn't much I can learn from it except to choose my parents a bit more strategically and delay my year of birth by a few more decades next time around.[/QUOTE]The downside to delaying your birth a few decades is inflation, absorbent college costs, and Patts going downhill. I wish I could temporarily peruse 1999 Patts for 1 month for nostalgic reasons. Hell even 5 years ago was better. Last fall had more options on Soi 6 than this year. I got a deep pocket friend that is not picky, knows what he wants, and been in the game and it took him 1 HR. To find a girl. In past years it took him less than 15 minutes. The last 2 times it took me 2 hrs to find a shag partner on 6.

I'm not saying the Virus is Fake. So please.

In USA. Everything is done to damage Trump. Even the dumber left is questioning things as they go Broke.

Isolate the vulnerable, wash your hands, and social distance.

For some reason I never did like having another pervert sit next to me in an agogo.

If I'm allowed back in Thailand if others are wearing mask I'll wear one. Before touching a girls nipples, I'll sanitize with Clorox or something.

[QUOTE=Cool;2451439]A lot of the 700 range girls have bad hygiene too. Some guys go for quantity which allows the uglies to get hired. Some guys are indifferent on appearance because things are so bleak in their homelands.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking its a matter of how pecunious a bloke is. If his wallet is deficient he may have to settle for quantity with 700 B girls or fewer higher priced babes. Men of means can get both quality and quantity.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451533]Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.[/QUOTE]So a go-go girl of a level of attractivrness and popularity such that she regularly and often gets paid 3,000 baht for ST uses her own 1,000-1,500 baht to pay her own barfine so she can go to a disco to meet you or some other customer for a 1,000 baht stellar GFE LT? You realize she would either come out of it with zero money for the night or at a loss of 500 baht, if not more, right?

And that's not counting the two or three 3,000 baht STs she could have had but didn't because she was spending all night with you for free or, worse, for the net loss of 500 baht out of her own pocket.

Well, yes, put on the list of people who refuse to understand how that can happen except by some very strange anecdotal accident.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2451563]Yes, this happens for sure! But the ones I've done it for or spoken to usually for other reasons. Tired, hangover, sick, Boyfriend or Tom problems, got some time off the next few days BF ahead paid but now want to get an early start on the road need to have BF paid my customer if they do it themselves the rate is higher. Yes, I've been told a few times they want to join their friends at I-Bar but most of the time it was for more personal reasons.
...[/QUOTE]And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs? And, if I may ask for a bit more clarification; how many of that caliber of girls handed you the 1,000-1,500 baht to pay their barfine and said they wanted to leave early, not for any of the reasons you cited, but so they could score a 1,000 baht LT customer at a nearby disco or at the grocery store and give the guy a stellar GFE all night?

I mean, who knows? Maybe I have really missed the boat on this fascinating total lack of understanding of basic P4P math so many top level Pattaya go-go girls apparently suffer from.

I found one- a 700 baht beautiful Thai women. The Dreamy kind.

Go check out Pattaya One News.

Headline-Video: Naked woman attacks policeman after being "dumped by her boyfriend".

Funny thing is they show breasts and pubic hair region. Fully visible.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451662]And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs?[/QUOTE]That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451654]I'm thinking its a matter of how pecunious a bloke is. If his wallet is deficient he may have to settle for quantity with 700 B girls or fewer higher priced babes. Men of means can get both quality and quantity.[/QUOTE]My trip to asia last year had over approx 180 sessions, I didn't overpay once, are you suggesting the more money I have in my pocket the more I should pay?(typically $5000 usd until I reload it).

I think I detect you inferring guys that overpay do so, only because they can LOL not because some other reason, like someone just posted LOL (PLM would say I underpay, which is literally impossible).

PLM pathetic loser mongers, I know that term from socal, ******** lmao.

I can easily goto Tijuana with $5000 usd in my pocket, you will never see me over pay.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451666]That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.[/QUOTE]I understand them not wanting to go with ANY guy on a given night. I understand them wanting to get out of town early for a trip to their province. I understand all the things LittleBigMan listed as reasons go-go girls have asked him to take their money to pay their barfine for them. I don't understand them walking away from two or more 3,000 baht ST customers so they can do the same thing with one customer all night for only 1,000 baht. And paying 1,000-1,500 baht for the privilege.

I'm sorry, but math that doesn't add up that badly must at least be noted.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451668]I understand them not wanting to go with ANY guy on a given night. I understand them wanting to get out of town early for a trip to their province. I understand all the things LittleBigMan listed as reasons go-go girls have asked him to take their money to pay their barfine for them. I don't understand them walking away from two or more 3,000 baht ST customers so they can do the same thing with one customer all night for only 1,000 baht. And paying 1,000-1,500 baht for the privilege.

I'm sorry, but math that doesn't add up that badly must at least be noted.[/QUOTE]The girls are human. Plus girls like some customers more than others. YMMV. Some guys come for a week and never return. When there is a retiree who can hire her 2 nights a week at a lower rate. So yes. The 3 k sounds good until Big Belly Bob returns to England. That's when retiree Rob gets all the love because he can give repeat business at 1 k after her shift. It works out. A shag at his comfortable place and she gets to sleep and may get breakfast. Plus she got a sale off the clock that she does not have to share with the bar. Even when his money is low he and his buddies can stop in the bar and buy drinks. Some girls are fiercely close to their barmates and owners. Most of the girls are younger than me and like to party more than me. Think about all the times guys had a BS flaky working girl that wanted to lock up his schedule where he can't hang with the fellas. I've seen girls spend all of their earnings outside of what they send home on walking st. I've seen girls ordering 200 baht shots to the point their doctors ask them to stop drinking. You cannot buy love and loyalty. Plus some people are loyal but lie alot.

Plus some chicks don't like their bar jobs. They may be the niece of the owner paying off a debt. Or the bar may be exploiting them taking a big cut and fining them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2451555]I like them made up. I also have no problem with tats. I like a working girl who looks and acts like a working girl. As a friend says, "A dirty mind is a joy forever. ".[/QUOTE]

No arguing with personal taste. However, very few Thai hookers have the sexual skills and appetite corresponding to the "over-the-top naughty" presentation with tons of cheap tats and cheaper makeup with monster eyebrows. Oddly, one of the dirtiest working girls I know, the well-known Ying from Tulip, wouldn't look (or feel) out of place in a top-end restaurant. Unfortunately, she's getting old.

To each their own, but I often (albeit not always) like the illusion of doing a working girl I could actually like in real life and wouldn't feel ashamed being seen with in public. Back in the day, I had no trouble finding the sweet type, but now those are exceedingly rare. Skanky looking working girls were always around, the problem is that all others are gone.

Saw a photo of a reopened Mall. Looks like Thais could care less about Social Distancing.

I got to believe making 3,000 will make a girl forget about distancing socially real fast.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451666]That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.[/QUOTE]Sometimes a girl just needs to get her pussy pounded by a big, thick, strong, exotic dick all night long rather than poked for 2 minutes with the marshmallow dick of an old, fat, big-bellied white guy. 555.

I've never seen a close correlation between logic and a bargirls mind. Many of the previous posts make sense but I'd like to add another.

A 500 baht girl struggling to feed herself and her kid is going to take all the work she can get. A girl cashed up from a big tip or lucrative week may see very little need to turn up to a dead boring job and bang pig ugly guys for extra money that she no longer needs. At this time a night out with girls friends or a guy she knows treats her decently may very well be the preferred option.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2451674]No arguing with personal taste. However, very few Thai hookers have the sexual skills and appetite corresponding to the "over-the-top naughty" presentation with tons of cheap tats and cheaper makeup with monster eyebrows. Oddly, one of the dirtiest working girls I know, the well-known Ying from Tulip, wouldn't look (or feel) out of place in a top-end restaurant. Unfortunately, she's getting old.

To each their own, but I often (albeit not always) like the illusion of doing a working girl I could actually like in real life and wouldn't feel ashamed being seen with in public. Back in the day, I had no trouble finding the sweet type, but now those are exceedingly rare. Skanky looking working girls were always around, the problem is that all others are gone.[/QUOTE]I agree that most Thai women lack the imagination and to fit into the category I am really talking about. We often forget how conservative and rigid this society really is when it comes to sexuality. Slutty and skanky are not the same thing. One of my fav gals back home was over the top educated, sophisticated, well read, could converse on any subject, but had a filthy mind, loved kink, etc etc.

Ah, Ying, would have loved to have met her when she was in her early 20's before she had the kid.

[QUOTE=Cool;2451671]The girls are human. Plus girls like some customers more than others. YMMV. Some guys come for a week and never return. When there is a retiree who can hire her 2 nights a week at a lower rate. So yes. The 3 k sounds good until Big Belly Bob returns to England. That's when retiree Rob gets all the love because he can give repeat business at 1 k after her shift. It works out. A shag at his comfortable place and she gets to sleep and may get breakfast. Plus she got a sale off the clock that she does not have to share with the bar. Even when his money is low he and his buddies can stop in the bar and buy drinks. Some girls are fiercely close to their barmates and owners. Most of the girls are younger than me and like to party more than me. Think about all the times guys had a BS flaky working girl that wanted to lock up his schedule where he can't hang with the fellas. I've seen girls spend all of their earnings outside of what they send home on walking st. I've seen girls ordering 200 baht shots to the point their doctors ask them to stop drinking. You cannot buy love and loyalty. Plus some people are loyal but lie alot.[/QUOTE]Big Bob Belly pays 3,000. Retiree Rob gets her for 1,000.

Shouldn't Noi from Nakon Who Knows Where go after another say Skinny Sam Switzerland for more 3,000 paydays?

4 sessions with Funky foreigners nets her 12,000 bahts. She would have to service Rob Retiree twelve freaking times.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451662]And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs? And, if I may ask for a bit more clarification; how many of that caliber of girls handed you the 1,000-1,500 baht to pay their barfine and said they wanted to leave early, not for any of the reasons you cited, but so they could score a 1,000 baht LT customer at a nearby disco or at the grocery store and give the guy a stellar GFE all night?

I mean, who knows? Maybe I have really missed the boat on this fascinating total lack of understanding of basic P4P math so many top level Pattaya go-go girls apparently suffer from.[/QUOTE]E. T. , to be honest, that is the problem you are having now don't get me wrong you have the right like others to say what you want but my opinion posters say at times or believe " beauty is in the eye of the beholder " they truly understand but the next word out of their mouth they start to put numbers and price rating them doing this, in my opinion, is why looks and pricing have been going on longer than the oldest profession it is an endless debate. I have sat with friends and family what they like might not be what I like and that goes for price too. Just because you fancy a Benz doesn't mean I would too although I could afford one I rather drive a Truck.

Not sure if you get this just like you like or got to have BB, although I can too I but my choice is too not. It isn't about changing people mind by trying to beat them or finding a reason to justify it after years and years for me I just let people do as they please when it comes to P4 P it is their money and choice just enjoy until the end comes. People say one has 9 lives I figure I'm down more than half in fact I'm surprise I'm still alive, been cut stare down a few barrels and yet I'm still here so whatever time I have the last thing I'm going to worry about is whether she is a stunner at 10,9,8.

To answer your question from my experience a few were considered superstars of the place then, of course, there were average and below I didn't know everything about their life but got plenty of gossip from my regular I met all of them through buying drinks at the request of my regular the drink-buying was like a real education as to how many of them think in life. From my regular, I got invited to many locals parties for these girls and got an insight into their lives these events usually involved their Thai husband, Boyfriend which one was even lesbians may be due to my age and color I was like a father figure many of them ask me even for advice.

I never came out and ask them when they ask usually the reason was given to me or later my regular told me and it was personal not because they needed to go to I-Bar and get BF because they weren't at their GoGo. I think your remark as to a girl giving me 1000-15000 to BF her and then going somewhere else etc. For a 1000 LT is a bit silly even a P4 P could give you that answer it is zero from my experience do the math? Regardless of their status or looks, they were all for personal reasons I'm not trying to find justification by making something out of nothing. I think your confusion stem from and I don't think I said anything to such if I did my apologies but I never said a girl BF herself then go for less?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2451731]...

I think your remark as to a girl giving me 1000-15000 to BF her and then going somewhere else etc. For a 1000 LT is a bit silly even a P4 P could give you that answer it is zero from my experience do the math? Regardless of their status or looks, they were all for personal reasons I'm not trying to find justification by making something out of nothing. I think your confusion stem from and I don't think I said anything to such if I did my apologies but I never said a girl BF herself then go for less?[/QUOTE]I think that would be silly and likely happens close to zero percent of the time, too, LittleBigMan. So I think we are both seeing this in the same way, from your experience with girls who wanted to pay their own barfine so they could leave early and from my experience. We are not both confused, are we? LOL.

The eye of the beholder factor certainly does matter. But it isn't that difficult to differentiate who could easily score 2 STs for 3,000 baht each in a given night from those who are lucky to get that 700-1,000 baht LT every now and then. And maybe another 800 baht worth of much appreciated alcohol. They are not going to be the "same girls."

Look, I have been having a huge number of Thai girls staying LT with me, giving stellar GFE virtually every time, for years now for free or damn close to it. I'm talking about handing them 200-300 baht for travel to and from my apartment after two days and nights together. And they start pestering me on Line to return before they even get back to their apartment. I just had two over this past weekend do that. One just turned 22, one is in her late 20s, both have beautiful, fit, trim, slim bodies and lovely faces, definitely not skanks or needy. No babies. If they did the club scene or escort scene, they could easily score 3,000 STs every day. But they are not in the P4P scene.

That is completely different. I could not tell punters on this board who are here for a week or two looking for P4P STs and LTs to just go to this or that disco and you'll get girls of that quality who really can and do get a couple of 3,000 baht STs almost any night, offer them 1,000 baht for LT, they'll say yes and you'll surely get BBFS+CIP in the deal with no conversation about it at all and that you're an uninformed fool if you don't get that almost every time without participating in and contributing to the above mentioned silliness.

Can such a thing happen every now and then? Of course. Anything can happen every now and then. But as a matter of an ongoing punter recommended game plan, I don't see scheduling in those 3,000 baht ST girls for 1,000 baht LT including no mention or conversation about it BBFS+CIP as a viable recommendation for how to spend your week or two here. However, if your eye beholds girls who generally are lucky to get 700 baht for sex every now and then (even though the first number that comes out of their mouths is "2,500") as the "same girls" who regularly and often get 3,000 baht for ST, then you are definitely in the right place and don't need any recommendations to come out a big winner here.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451750]

Look, I have been having a huge number of Thai girls staying LT with me, giving stellar GFE virtually every time, for years now for free or damn close to it. I'm talking about handing them 200-300 baht for travel to and from my apartment after two days and nights together. And they start pestering me on Line to return before they even get back to their apartment. I just had two over this past weekend do that. One just turned 22, one is in her late 20s, both have beautiful, fit, trim, slim bodies and lovely faces, definitely not skanks or needy. No babies. If they did the club scene or escort scene, they could easily score 3,000 STs every day. But they are not in the P4P scene.

[/QUOTE]Pics please! Body pics only with hidden faces heartily accepted of course.

Here's one of my 1500 Baht regulars. Former Soi 6 who later graduated to one of the WS Gogo.

Thin-boned, pinched waist, wide-open ass cheeks, my specs.

E. T.

I didn't want to quote your last post, yea I know there is a way to do part but I can't even do that after all these years. I think we are in agreement as to what you noted I also understand Mr. E, point of view. I've come to the conclusion people have different styles and personalities when I read your post, Mr. E and some others even in my hay day I wish I could consistently do it but I can't because I'm just not like the both of you. I've been told by people are you crazy why would you do something like that but yet I can't say no to someone for a lady drink for me at this time of my life it just isn't a priority today I take it or leave it there are times I pay less and get more then there are times I pay more and get nothing. Don't get me wrong I've been quoted prices that would make me choke I don't laugh at them I act like it doesn't matter it is just not a priority to be sarcastic or rude. I'm not looking for a 10 I go out to relax and have a good time whether I entertain with girls or watching others just don't get me mad.

I think those here reading the opinions will take sides regardless if they comment or not but they shouldn't try to copy anyone of you if they have a good or even great time whether it is paying less or more just do what works for you and if you get knockdown just get up again and learn from it don't be like Charlie Tuna and bite the first hook that is thrown into the water.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2451665]I found one- a 700 baht beautiful Thai women. The Dreamy kind.

Go check out Pattaya One News.

Headline-Video: Naked woman attacks policeman after being "dumped by her boyfriend".

Funny thing is they show breasts and pubic hair region. Fully visible.[/QUOTE]I didn't look closely at pic but from the quick second I looked the lady was clearly obese. (Could be wrong) I wouldn't pay a baht for that chick. That was not a lost for her boyfriend. Sometimes dumping a below average chick is a win.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451668]I understand them not wanting to go with ANY guy on a given night. I understand them wanting to get out of town early for a trip to their province. I understand all the things LittleBigMan listed as reasons go-go girls have asked him to take their money to pay their barfine for them. I don't understand them walking away from two or more 3,000 baht ST customers so they can do the same thing with one customer all night for only 1,000 baht. And paying 1,000-1,500 baht for the privilege.

I'm sorry, but math that doesn't add up that badly must at least be noted.[/QUOTE]You forget ET there is sometimes a bowl of noodles included in the deal.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451765]Pics please! Body pics only with hidden faces heartily accepted of course.

Here's one of my 1500 Baht regulars. Former Soi 6 who later graduated to one of the WS Gogo.

Thin-boned, pinched waist, wide-open ass cheeks, my specs.[/QUOTE]Hey,

I recognized that ass anywhere. Since covered her face, I guess I'll play along.

[QUOTE=XXL;2451765]Pics please! Body pics only with hidden faces heartily accepted of course.

Here's one of my 1500 Baht regulars. Former Soi 6 who later graduated to one of the WS Gogo.

Thin-boned, pinched waist, wide-open ass cheeks, my specs.[/QUOTE]These were my 2 LT freebies this past weekend. Both in their early-mid 20s. I am not a camera or photo guy, rarely take pics and don't take porn style photos of the girls I fuck and get fully blown by. So the pics are relatively normal pics of normal Thai girls.

These girls, like practically all of my freebies, are not in the P4P scene. They are not showy sexpot type girls. They are not going to be loaded up with big tattoos and weird piercings. They don't smoke, they drink small amounts of alcohol and only on special social occasions. Same as I do. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just not my spec.

They are sweet natured, conservative, girl-next-door types with regular jobs. But the sex with me needs to be True GFE/Real Sex or they don't generally get a second much less a third or more chance at bat. In this case, the front shot girl is a barista in a mall shop, the back shot girl is a Junior Miss age range photo model.

There are several other freebies I have seen regularly over the past year or so. And, of course, many others who are in the P4P scene to whom I typically pay about 2,000 baht + travel fare for the same kind of LTs these girls have with me.

Since they are not visible here, I would say the barista's face is a stronger attribute for her than her body. And the photo model's face is as cute, even featured, young and adorable as you would expect in a girl who earns her living that way.

A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.

I feel so left out.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.

Do agogos allow Freelance work. A girl comes and goes as she wants. No celery, no contract.

Her compensation is drink commission and sex fee paid by Mr Wong.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.

I feel so left out.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]It's hard to decide who's got more "game": Mr. E. , a late forties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets 3000 baht ST hookers to come over for 1000 baht LT or ET, a mid-sixties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets a 22-year old non-hooker model to come over LT to fuck bareback cip for free. It's close, but I think the award would have to go to ET, as it baffles me that such a girl would want to fuck such a guy for no money nor (presumably) the prospect of any money in the future unless he was amazingly attractive.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2451973]as it baffles me that such a girl would want to fuck such a guy for no money nor (presumably) the prospect of any money in the future unless he was amazingly attractive.[/QUOTE]In my last job we bid contracts based on "next best alternative" ie what's the highest price we could ask and still be below the next guy. That was regardless of the cost to us to supply.

Ask yourself, if they don't go with E, where are they going to go? Even in the no-C19 times he offers repeatability and an essentially on demand cash injection. Who knows he may even treat them half decently as well. Fly in, 2 week millionaires, stuck at home for the next 6 months can't do any of these.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2451973]I think the award would have to go to ET[/QUOTE]I certainly hope that at age 67 I'm able to get Freebie civilian girls in their 20's who look like models. I'm no where near 67 and have difficulties. I've noticed a huge drop off in getting super hot freebie civilian girls. It's certainly not as easy any more. Maybe the secret is to move to Bangkok?

Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.[/QUOTE]

I always feel like I'm the only one who has sh1tty service from time to time, even in a G club or Soi 6. I've lived in Pattaya long enough to know who is being truthful and who is total BS.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.

I feel so left out.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]You are not doing anything wrong, just seeing reality.

What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados.

Photo shop is indeed a wonderful invention for those that want smoke and mirrors to impress their fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2451988]I certainly hope that at age 67 I'm able to get Freebie civilian girls in their 20's who look like models. I'm no where near 67 and have difficulties. I've noticed a huge drop off in getting super hot freebie civilian girls. It's certainly not as easy any more. Maybe the secret is to move to Bangkok?

Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.



I always feel like I'm the only one who has sh1tty service from time to time, even in a G club or Soi 6. I've lived in Pattaya long enough to know who is being truthful and who is total BS.[/QUOTE]I think I might hold the record for reporting sh1tty service in both Pattaya and Bangkok. LOL. And that can happen with me more than from time to time.

Actually, you bring up an interesting point about the empty promises tactic, BananaBoi. Maybe my sh1tty service percentages would go way down if I did employ some of those tactics you mentioned! I know some guys operate that way, but I don't. Like you, I hate that kind of thing.

The only item in your list I will cop to is taking my regulars and repeats to decent restaurants that might cost fairly close to an average Thai wage per day for their meal. Say around 300-400 baht for their meal. Talking about places no more expensive or extraordinary than, say, Monsoon on Soi 8 or Margarita Storm on Sukhumvit Soi 13. Maybe stop at Swensen's afterwards. But that is because I want to eat there, not really to impress them. LOL. Not that it would anyway.

More often than not, those girls would rather get somtam from a street vendor. And we do that as much as the other places. We still might stop at a McDs for a chocolate dipped ice cream cone though!

Oh, I almost forgot. I did buy the barista girl a 25,000 baht phone she was lusting for last year. For her birthday. But that was after she'd spent a couple nights per week with me for several months already.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2451973]It's hard to decide who's got more "game": Mr. E. , a late forties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets 3000 baht ST hookers to come over for 1000 baht LT or ET, a mid-sixties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets a 22-year old non-hooker model to come over LT to fuck bareback cip for free.[/QUOTE]LOL. You guys have me in stitches. A few things that I think are important to remember:

In the discos nobody has on a nametag that says I work at such and such gogo. 9.9 times out of 10 I don't even find this out until the next day when she says something like I have to work today. Then naturally I ask where do you work. Then she is like such and such gogo, dentist office, or wherever the hell else.

I choose who I like. I have no concern or add no extra points because someone works at a certain place. In a facebook group that I am in some guys wanted to know if anyone has ever fucked one of the waitresses that works at Hooters. I have fucked plenty of waitresses, desk clerks, dental hygenists, etc. I see it as no badge of honor to fuck a chick because she works at a particular named restaurant or anyplace else.

Just like the chick from TF that came over for 1200 LT a couple of weeks ago. When she got here and we started talking she said she works at Lisa on the Beach Agogo and guys sometime there give her 5000 baht. Hell, I don't even go to gogos so if I have not read about it here then I don't know. I told her I have never heard of it. She looked at me like I was crazy. She said it is on Beach Road. The only gogo I knew about on Beach Road was Tahitian Queen.

Also most of the time you leave the disco with a chick there is no price discussion. You just give them what is fair the next day. So I am not in there haggling with a chick and she is telling me but I get 3000 ST from my normal gogo job. 1000-1200 LT has always been sufficient for most chicks out of the discos.

Sometimes there is chick creep. I posted last year about the chick I fucked at Kinnaree for 1000 ST that said she works at Whats Up agogo at night. Everybody knows that is one of the most expensive places in town. Did I know she worked there before I fucked her? No. Was she up in Kinnaree talking about but I get 5000 ST in Whats Up so I am not taking 1000 ST in Kinnaree? No. They have sense enough to know that they get different prices from different places and do not say that because I get paid more money in one place I will not go to another place where I will get less. Just like McDonald's, they work every angle. Just because McDonald's gets $5 for a burger in France, does not mean they will not open a place in Philippines where they will only get $2 for a burger.

Last, for me Long Time is from night until morning or if coming from a disco late at night it could be from 3, 4, 5, or even 6am until the chick wakes up and fucks again and leaves. After one Thai Friendly chick asked for 2000 LT the other day I told her 1000 LT. She accepted and asked if I was okay with it being from 9pm until 9am. I am not much of a daytime fucker. I prefer to fuck at night before I sleep and in the morning when I wake up. I like having a bed warmer so LT is what I am usually doing, not that I am going to be fucking her 4 or 5 times.

Mr. E,

We must have met the same girl last year at Kinarree that works at What's Up? I didn't take her but my cousin did I remember her well because my brother and cousins are smokers and I was social distancing. Next thing I know she comes out in her street clothes I thought my cousin was taking her for the day but she was going home to sleep reason her goal was two minimum ST, as a freelancer at Kinnaree and she got it quick today one with my cousin then it being so dark inside my cousin thought he slipped her a 100 baht when it was 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2451991]What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados..[/QUOTE]Super accurate assessment.

I am in Pattaya now and that's the reality. Many normal girl are hanging around but they are not interested. Also some of the farang I see are bottom of the barrel hanging around without mask etc.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]...

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]Right now, for the past few weeks during the lockdown, there has been a much higher percentage of old ladies in their 40's and up clicking Interested in me on the dating sites. This is in Bangkok, where I live and do virtually all of my dating and mongering these days except for a rare dip into Pattaya P4P every few months.

So I mean ladies who are still in Bangkok. The increase in old ladies is possibly due to the fact that they are almost the only ones left in Bangkok on the apps. They have more established regular jobs here and there is no longer a mom and dad around to run to for support in their home province.

Predictably, the better looking young girls (in photographs, that is) who click Interested in me are in outer provinces too far for it to be useful to me, even from Pattaya. But I always write those off as set ups designed to convince me to send them "travel money" so they can come to Bangkok and make me the happiest man in the world. LOL. No, honey, cannot. "Travel money" only after we are together. I'll pay for your van, bus, train and taxi when you arrive.

Which is why I feel very lucky to have a dozen or so favorites, repeats and regulars in the greater metropolitan Bangkok area to draw from during this time. But I still take a shot at adding a new potential favorite every week or two.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452005] then it being so dark inside my cousin thought he slipped her a 100 baht when it was 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a friend of mine who visited me for a weekend. We hit Sapphire. I handed him a handful of 1000 baht bills so he could enjoy himself for the weekend. I was busy with a girl and happy he was so popular. Little did I know he was passing out these 1000 baht bills to the girls. When I caught on I asked him why he was doing that. He thought 1000 baht was worth a couple of USD since I had handed him 30 of them when he arrived.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2451997]...
Last, for me Long Time is from night until morning or if coming from a disco late at night it could be from 3, 4, 5, or even 6am until the chick wakes up and fucks again and leaves. After one Thai Friendly chick asked for 2000 LT the other day I told her 1000 LT. She accepted and asked if I was okay with it being from 9pm until 9am. I am not much of a daytime fucker. I prefer to fuck at night before I sleep and in the morning when I wake up. I like having a bed warmer so LT is what I am usually doing, not that I am going to be fucking her 4 or 5 times.[/QUOTE]Ah, now see that 3, 4, 5 or 6am takeaway would not work for me. I am much more into a LT being from around dinner time, might even include taking the girl to dinner, like 7 or 8pm, and lasting until at least 9 or 10am the next day. And, like you, not that I am going to be fucking many times but because I like having a bed warmer. And I hate the time pressure of a typical ST.

Out of a beer bar or a go-go bar, a LT for me usually begins around 10pm or midnight at the latest.

So I must now concede that the kind of LT you are talking about from a disco that really begins in the wee hours of the morning when the girl has far fewer customer options could easily fall into that deep discount cost range you have been talking about. It would just not work for me as a desirable option anymore, not even for free.

I guess I never think of that kind of early morning takeaway when everything is closing and many of the drinkers are looking for a place to crash as a conventional "Long Time." I realize it will involve sleeping together at some point and therefore I will spend more than an hour or two with the lady. But I don't know. Shouldn't there be a third term in addition to LT and ST to describe it? LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452013]Predictably, the better looking young girls (in photographs, that is) who click Interested in me are in outer provinces too far for it to be useful to me, even from Pattaya. But I always write those off as set ups designed to convince me to send them "travel money" so they can come to Bangkok and make me the happiest man in the world. LOL. No, honey, cannot. "Travel money" only after we are together. I'll pay for your van, bus, train and taxi when you arrive.[/QUOTE]A chick that I met online was coming to visit me from Surin. She stopped to see her family in Ayutthaya. She wanted me to send her 300 baht gas money to continue on to Pattaya. I said just borrow it and I will give it to you when you get here. She said there was no way to do that. From Surin to Ayutthaya is 5 hours. From Ayutthaya to Pattaya is 2.5 hours. So how did she plan on having gas money to drive 5 hours back home if she could not get gas money to drive 2.5 hours to Pattaya?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2451726]She would have to service Rob Retiree twelve freaking times.[/QUOTE]You're missing a big piece of the equation, I saw this in bkk and AC, some hookers rather fuck me for a cheap price or for free.

Rather than, fuck many other customers in the bar.

She doesn't have to fuck me, she wants to, its not work, its pleasure.

If I give her any money at all, its double pleasure (proverbial win-win) hahaha.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2451750]The eye of the beholder factor certainly does matter.[/QUOTE]I would love to do an ISG survey LOL.

How many mongers on this board would agree eye of the beholder is pure bullshit?

A grown man is going to say an ugly hooker is pretty, no matter how ugly.

And then have the balls to say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Are you fucking kidding me?

A 10 is a 10.

And a 4 is a 4.

Facts will always be facts.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2451988]
Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.
[/QUOTE]I agree on your points of false promises of money or vacation trips or buying expensive gifts, that doesn't really count as freebie for me. Buying drinks for her is always a good start for me in clubs, not for her friends ofcourse. I stay away from large group of friends unless I find a sure-shot hot girl in them. In general Freebie for me is to get sex without ever discussing money or making false promises like she can live with me or something.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.
[/QUOTE]And the longer it's going, the more bitter and childish both are sounding. I just hope it has stopped now.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2451869]I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]Thailand I consider is the easiest place to bang girls. I don't know which app you're using. Tinder has been a great find for me here, I started using Tinder in Thailand during covid. Otherwise I only used it for other countries. Just last weekend, I installed TF and quality was miserable. I only liked 4-5 girls who looked cute. All were just really bad. Braces, fat, old, bad skin and what not. Maybe I was using it at wrong time of day.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2452061]And the longer it's going, the more bitter and childish both are sounding. I just hope it has stopped now.
..[/QUOTE]Is one of those "bitter and childish" "one-upmanship" posters supposed to be me? LOL. Wow.

I have been posting here for many, many years and those pics are the first ones I have ever posted of someone I have dated or sessioned with. And that was because XXL, a nice enough seeming fellow, asked me to do it. I had to go to the FAQ section here to find out how. On top of which I figured there is so little else for anyone to report on or talk about during the lockdown, maybe this is a good time to contribute some pics for what can still be had (in Bangkok, at least) even with all the bars and clubs closed. Along with a pertinent description of what the photos cannot show and tell.

Although I would not speak for him and only assuming he is supposed to be the other one submitting "bitter and childish" posts in these exchanges, I might even suggest that Mr. E is motivated by a similar "what else is there to talk about here?" inspiration for what he has been posting lately.

One overly sensitive reaction to a perfectly reasonable and, I dare say potentially informative, exchange was typical. But a second and possibly a third seems like a weird trend.

There is no bitterness here. A few options for how some of us get what we want over the basic menu offerings in the Thai P4P/sex dating scene were discussed. In some cases it might seem like magic words or demeanor at first and then turn out to be mostly strategic timing. Good info. It might be offering more money or holding firm on less. Any number of ways to do it and get results worth reporting, if a site like this one is to be useful at all.

But that is just my non bitter and I don't believe to be childish opinion. YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452072]Although I would not speak for him, I might even suggest that Mr. E is motivated by a similar "what else is there to talk about here?" inspiration for what he has been posting lately.[/QUOTE]We can always write about the tickets that we bought and got refunds for or when we think the country will open back up for foreigners to come.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452073]We can always write about the tickets that we bought and got refunds for or when we think the country will open back up for foreigners to come.[/QUOTE]We could if we were unfortunate enough, and I really mean that, to be caught on the outside of this place during these times and unable to enter.

But we're not. (hehe)

Damn I'm missing my second home (Pattaya) really hope with all these easing on restrictions the international flights can start resuming. Being optimistic I know. Miss the craziness of the town.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452072]Is one of those "bitter and childish" "one-upmanship" posters supposed to be me? LOL. Wow.

I have been posting here for many, many years and those pics are the first ones I have ever posted of someone I have dated or sessioned with. [/QUOTE]I don't think anyone's denying your contributions to the forum. And it's not about pics of girls either, they didn't reveal faces so no big deal.

I think you made your point about E's reports around 10-20 posts ago, there was no need to repeat the same for so long.

I was wondering when it would get to this point? Any other time someone would have suggested and play moderator long ago to create a thread for this subject even in the best of times I've been against starting new threads and when it comes to looks and price I'm totally against it! What goes around comes around.

Right now what else is there is talk about regardless of their views there is much to learn from their experience and style regardless of how many times it is repeated I myself find between the lines there is something to learn it could be new or reinforce what I already experience of believing and that is how readers should look at it. No one should look at their reports negatively or should try to follow them like I said people need to be themselves and if you get a bit of Mr. E, a bit of E. T. In your journey and enjoy yourself then the flight time would have been worth it?

Personally, I would never be a Mr. E, nor E. T. But it doesn't mean I've never experienced some of their reports in fact when I do I kind of cringe it brings back memories when the phone use to always ring today it goes silent the only time it goes off is when AIS sends me promotions I'm content with that.

Today up at 5 like always get the outside of the house in order, replaced a large section of sheetrock in my driveway, mudded, painted then replaced the two recess lighting fixture that had rusted, help my son find the leak in his daughter rubber swimming pool, did my standard 4 Kilo M, run around the park return and took a nice cold shower then off with the misses to Pattaya Nua, Decathlon to get a new windbreaker for 500 baht, proceeded to Big see extra Klang did some shopping and treated the both of us to a triple chocolate chip banana split each at Swenson in relaxing A / see with some social distancing life is good fellas.

Oh, with all the money exchange places closed, usually T. T. Has the best rates but with a monopoly now at Big see, their rates offering is like. 20 lower than the market offering. I did notice the T. T. On Soi Baukhoi across from Witherspoon's still open offering a bit better.

Mr. E, E. T. Keep up the reports!

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2452097]I don't think anyone's denying your contributions to the forum. And it's not about pics of girls either, they didn't reveal faces so no big deal.

I think you made your point about E's reports around 10-20 posts ago, there was no need to repeat the same for so long.[/QUOTE]We can agree to disagree.

But I just counted a maximum of 12 posts of mine specifically on the side discussion difference between what Mr. E has experienced and observed on this particular topic and what I have experienced and observed, including all replies to questions and comments from other posters. I don't see that as an especially huge amount of posts on a topic pertinent to the overall overriding subject of this site that also seemed to inspire a lot of input from several other posters.

On top of which, there was a key detail that was revealed (reminded of) at the end of the discussion that clarified and, frankly, changed almost every aspect of the discussion that came before it. Had I stopped at the fourth or fifth posted reply, question or comment, we might not have gotten around to that (to my mind) key game changing reminder.

I'm talking about where Mr. E reminded us his disco girl LT takeaways are often at 3, 4, 5 or even 6am when the bars are closing or have been closed and options are much more limited for what to do next. That reminder changed everything, clarified much and caused me to concede that kind of timing would certainly go a long way to ensuring he or anyone else got girls to accept 1,000 baht who ordinarily would not go for so little.

IMO, that detail made all the previous posts by me and everyone else worth it because now our different experiences and observations make sense and compute just fine.

The Baht is strong in Thailand. It dipped below 32THB earlier today. It's currently at 1USD = 31.8877THB per [URL]xe.com[/URL]. TT Currency exchange giving 31.73THB. Ouch! Maybe because of this:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1920832/thai-stocks-hit-10-week-high-amid-regional-rise-on-vaccine-hopes[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452034]A chick that I met online was coming to visit me from Surin. She stopped to see her family in Ayutthaya. She wanted me to send her 300 baht gas money to continue on to Pattaya. I said just borrow it and I will give it to you when you get here. She said there was no way to do that. From Surin to Ayutthaya is 5 hours. From Ayutthaya to Pattaya is 2.5 hours. So how did she plan on having gas money to drive 5 hours back home if she could not get gas money to drive 2.5 hours to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452034]A chick that I met online was coming to visit me from Surin. She stopped to see her family in Ayutthaya. She wanted me to send her 300 baht gas money to continue on to Pattaya. I said just borrow it and I will give it to you when you get here. She said there was no way to do that. From Surin to Ayutthaya is 5 hours. From Ayutthaya to Pattaya is 2.5 hours. So how did she plan on having gas money to drive 5 hours back home if she could not get gas money to drive 2.5 hours to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2452136]It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.[/QUOTE]If Mr. E's experience has been anything like mine, he never would have seen that girl, who might not even be a girl but some Thai guy with a few photos of a hot girl busy collecting 300 baht transfers to his sister's bank account all day.

I USED to transfer the odd 200 baht or 300 baht "travel money" to girls with a sweet photo, even a decent video chat appearance on the same premise you described; So what, it isn't much money, she's really cute, why not.

I might have done it maybe 4-5 times years ago.

Not once did any girl ever show up in my city. LOL. At least, not to see ME. Always assume such a request is a scam to collect money for nothing and the girl in those photos or even in a 2 minute video chat is never going to see a bus terminal in her life. She could even be sharing a room with her boyfriend 1 kilometer away from where you live.

Rule # 1: Never pay a FL in advance for anything.

And that includes bus fare, trike fare, anything fare. You tell the girl, "yeah of course, I will give you Money for taxi after we done and before you leave (my place)". And that's that and If said girl does not like that arrangement then politely tell her, "so sorry / maybe I see you next time" and go dial up the next girl. It is that simple. I don't know why some guys look for rotten fruit in the land of sweet mangoes.

Wait, I take that back slightly. I have on very rare occasions come down from my hotel room to pay off a taxi driver when my FL date convinced me she absolutely did not have enough Pesos to cover the taxi fare. And guess what country that was in? LOL. The one and only Philippine Islands. But I repeat the underlying fundamental rule; never send money to a girl you do not know.

Rule # 2: Never pay in advance for sex. Unless it is the standard operating procedure of the oily, soapy, or we are a talking about a Go Go barfine and just the barfine and drink tab. If the Go Go girl or mamasan insists on full pre-payment, walk away.

Topics regarding prostitoots. There really isn't any thing other than price that interest people.

Czar is right. A ten is a 10. A one is a 1. A 4. 66778 is a 4. 6678.

What say you.

700 baht girl is a 700 baht girl.

Got milk.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2452136]It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.[/QUOTE]Not trying to bargain for cheaper price and paying for good service is something I can empathize with.

Howeve, that has little to do with the situation described, which is the kind of thinking that sees the Brooklyn bridge being sold to somebody, generation after generation.

The rule is quite simple. The big head should always prevail over the little head. If not, go for it if you like, but please don't fuss when the inevitable happens.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2452138]As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.[/QUOTE]How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452149]Rule # 1: Never pay a FL in advance for anything.

And that includes bus fare, trike fare, anything fare. You tell the girl, "yeah of course, I will give you Money for taxi after we done and before you leave (my place)". And that's that and If said girl does not like that arrangement then politely tell her, "so sorry / maybe I see you next time" and go dial up the next girl. It is that simple. I don't know why some guys look for rotten fruit in the land of sweet mangoes.

Wait, I take that back slightly. I have on very rare occasions come down from my hotel room to pay off a taxi driver when my FL date convinced me she absolutely did not have enough Pesos to cover the taxi fare. And guess what country that was in? LOL. The one and only Philippine Islands. But I repeat the underlying fundamental rule; never send money to a girl you do not know.

Rule # 2: Never pay in advance for sex. Unless it is the standard operating procedure of the oily, soapy, or we are a talking about a Go Go barfine and just the barfine and drink tab. If the Go Go girl or mamasan insists on full pre-payment, walk away.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with this. The only comment I would add is to bear in mind the usual approach in those dating site "send/transfer travel money to me and I will come to stay with you" scams is they don't charactrrize themselves as freelancers. No, they cast themselves as just innocent, ordinary Thai farm girls with no travel money, stuck in their boring, poverty-ridden province, desperate to find true love and sex instructions in the exciting city of wherever you live.

Oh, and I would say I have had a few pretty good sessions with girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452257]Absolutely agree with this. The only comment I would add is to bear in mind the usual approach in those dating site "send/transfer travel money to me and I will come to stay with you" scams is they don't charactrrize themselves as freelancers. No, they cast themselves as just innocent, ordinary Thai farm girls with no travel money, stuck in their boring, poverty-ridden province, desperate to find true love and sex instructions in the exciting city of wherever you live.

Oh, and I would say I have had a few pretty good sessions with girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.[/QUOTE]A con is a straight up never see your money again.

I wouldn't put girls asking for bus fare in that category. Of course it can be a scam and I have no idea what the breakdown of it is or it isn't is.

So I would be in the camp that says because it is a pittance send the 300 baht if you feel she is on the up and up and you really want to meet her but be aware the odds are probably against you that she will be on the bus. This changes when the ask is north of 500 baht.

When I play roulette I usually stick to red or black but occasionally I try to hit a number. You have a 3% chance but when it comes home it's s buzz. Who knows what experience you may have missed by not sending that 300 baht.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452251]How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?[/QUOTE]Old guys just know stuff like this.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452257]girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.[/QUOTE]In this case, the girl is already in front of you. Covering her transportation expenses at that point is only fair, regardless of what happens afterwards. This is vastly different than wiring money to someone unknown who may or may not decide to come.

Asking money for "travel expenses" is either a scam or an indicator of extreme insecurity and mistrust, which does not bode well for the session. If someone can't scrounge up 200 baht for the bus in pursuit of an almost certain 2000++ baht payout, their life must be seriously messed up. Now, if she's flying down from Chiang Rai, I might buy her a ticket, but that's different.

Wiring a girl you never met money for "travel expenses" is like one of those claw machines in arcades -- looks like you can win, but they're designed to make you lose without anything in return.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452251]How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?[/QUOTE]You have mixed up the two markets. First up was grabbing a girl, no questions asked then paying what's fair in the morning. Now its pre negotiate the deal to ensure everyone is happy then leave. These are two different players and markets.

Guy1 is a long term resident whose face is known around town. Bar staff and girls have seen him many times and may even know him by name. The girls know that he knows how the game is played. He's known as frugal but will pay up and not be a hassle. He knows how much he is paying and the girls know how much they are getting even without discussing it beforehand.

Guy2 is new or has been in town once or twice. He has read up or spoken to friends about prices but isn't 100% sure on which places or girls are charging above or below standard rates. He's still got that deer in the headlights look. Girls haven't seen him before and don't know how he acts or pays. He too isn't sure if the girl is level headed or going to try and milk him by over charging so he prenegotiates the fees and services. She probably adds a tourist tax but he doesn't mind because he knows (as much as possible) what has getting.

Cheers. G.

Both go home with a girl and are happy in the morning.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2452312]Who knows what experience you may have missed by not sending that 300 baht.[/QUOTE]Yep. But the odds were 2 to 1 that it would have been a bad experience. 1. She may have received the money and never come. Bad experience. 2. She may have received the money and come and I had a horrible time with her. Bad experience. 3. She may have received the money and come and I had a blast with her. Good experience.

Remember we are talking about Pattaya here, not Bumfuck, Alaska. There is absolutely no reason to send a chick on the other side of Thailand money to come here when there are already tons of other chicks here to have a good experience with. But if she is willing to hobble into town on her own volition, only then is it a risk that I am willing to take. At least then it increases my chances of having a good experience to 1 to 1.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2452312]So I would be in the camp that says because it is a pittance send the 300 baht if you feel she is on the up and up and you really want to meet her but be aware the odds are probably against you that she will be on the bus. [/QUOTE]You are right when you say the odds are against it. How many guys would send 300 baht to 1 chick in hopes that she would be on the bus? Now all things being equal except for their date of arrival, how many guys would send 300 baht to 100 chicks at the same time in hopes that they would be on the bus? Probably none. Why would you send it to 1 but not send it to 100, so you could have 100 great times?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2452452]If someone can't scrounge up 200 baht for the bus...
Wiring a girl you never met money for "travel expenses" is like one of those claw machines in arcades -- looks like you can win, but they're designed to make you lose without anything in return.[/QUOTE]LOL. I can't stop laughing from that shit. Back in January I was taking a trip to an island with a chick in Colombia that I had never met. I bought her plane ticket. I bought her a swimsuit and sandals off Amazon because she did not have those things either. Do you know she had the nerve to ask me to send her money to get from her house to the airport? She had me fucked up.

If someone is taking you on a dream vacation and your ass does not even have the will to borrow the money (that I am going to give you to pay them back) to get to the airport then you don't deserve to go. Hell, I would WALK to the airport if someone was paying for my damn trip. She ended up borrowing the money, otherwise it would have been wasted money on my part and I would have been on the island alone jacking my dick, because sending money is where I draw the line.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452563]...

If someone is taking you on a dream vacation and your ass does not even have the will to borrow the money (that I am going to give you to pay them back) to get to the airport then you don't deserve to go. Hell, I would WALK to the airport if someone was paying for my damn trip. She ended up borrowing the money, otherwise it would have been wasted money on my part and I would have been on the island alone jacking my dick, because sending money is where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]Even more ridiculous is many provinces around Thailand, including Bangkok, have those white minivans that they can catch at designated stops in their neighborhood and shuttle to the nearest airport for 20-30 baht. These girls have all kinds of options to get food and transportation for practically no money at all.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2452171]Topics regarding prostitoots. There really isn't any thing other than price that interest people.

Czar is right. A ten is a 10. A one is a 1. A 4. 66778 is a 4. 6678.

What say you.

700 baht girl is a 700 baht girl.

Got milk.[/QUOTE]Try not to hurt yourself here, if I pay a hooker 700 thb for BBFS PSE for overnite and you pay the same hooker 3000 thb for condom sex for 3 minutes.

Tell me what she is?

Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!

Today, I needed to run to Thai Wasadu Jomtien to get a case of recess lighting on sale thereafter decide to head down to Jomtien Beach to check out a number of Condos never got to finish due to the lockdown. Just a few months ago one particular place I couldn't even get in to take a look since the place was full today the manager showed me a number of units said the place is near empty only the Farangs left who own their units. Months back I was told 7000 baht a month today it was like up to you look when I ask how much to buy again it was like up to you. I was a bit surprised looking from the outside but I was impressed by the inside I don't think there is any hurry will wait and come back in a few months and tempt a Thai owner with a cash offer.

After headed off to Big see Extra, to use the ATM and get a few Subway sandwiches for the family, next thing I know someone is calling me? The person had a mask on but was wearing one of those green Grab jackets thinking who the hell could this be I don't like surprises. When the mask came off it was the girl who I met just before the shutdown at her GoGo and hook up a few times after. I decided to buy her lunch at Black Canyon and have a cup of coffee to catch up with her she said she is doing good and able to make some money to tie her over meantime I got her schedule and said when I have some free time we can hook up?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452563]Yep. But the odds were 2 to 1 that it would have been a bad experience. 1. She may have received the money and never come. Bad experience. 2. She may have received the money and come and I had a horrible time with her. Bad experience. 3. She may have received the money and come and I had a blast with her. Good experience.

Remember we are talking about Pattaya here, not Bumfuck, Alaska. There is absolutely no reason to send a chick on the other side of Thailand money to come here when there are already tons of other chicks here to have a good experience with. But if she is willing to hobble into town on her own volition, only then is it a risk that I am willing to take. At least then it increases my chances of having a good experience to 1 to 1.

You are right when you say the odds are against it. How many guys would send 300 baht to 1 chick in hopes that she would be on the bus? Now all things being equal except for their date of arrival, how many guys would send 300 baht to 100 chicks at the same time in hopes that they would be on the bus? Probably none. Why would you send it to 1 but not send it to 100, so you could have 100 great times?

LOL. I can't stop laughing from that shit. Back in January I was taking a trip to an island with a chick in Colombia that I had never met. I bought her plane ticket. I bought her a swimsuit and sandals off Amazon because she did not have those things either. Do you know she had the nerve to ask me to send her money to get from her house to the airport? She had me fucked up..[/QUOTE]I was instancing the guy who hooks up with somebody on line he likes, video chats for a while and wants to meet up. She agrees but says she hasn't got the fare. What does he do. Assume its a a con and check out or putt 300 on a 3 to 1 shot and send her the fare. You say never, I say why not.

Plane ticket swimsuit and sandals I hope it was result no 3 when you met.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2452574]Try not to hurt yourself here, if I pay a hooker 700 thb for BBFS PSE for overnite and you pay the same hooker 3000 thb for condom sex for 3 minutes.

Tell me what she is?[/QUOTE]As with any purchase, the fair price is the price you are willing to pay for her. Whatever the reasons.

Maybe I'll pay 3000 for a girl you wouldn't give 700 to.

And reciprocally.

And the next day it will be the opposite.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452611]Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet![/QUOTE]Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452875]Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?[/QUOTE]In Bangkok, some of the mall staff are already cutting corners and waving people through without them touching every base to get in or out.

A couple of times already I have spent 2-3 seconds pretending to catch the QR code, tapping in and all that but then I just showed them the green CHECK IN result from a previous mall entry. See, I'd taken a screenshot of that first one and just kept showing that same screenshot at every mall and shop I went into after that. Same with the CHECK OUT image and that thing you tap at the bottom of the page.

Should they require the same CHECK IN and CHECK OUT procedure by then, I'm guessing it will be possible to do that in and out of every bar after about the 4th night.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2420929]You are probably right about the reaction of overall market to this fairly outrageous price hike and I expect that I will probably still visit Soi 6 with the same frequency as before. That is to say infrequently and only when I have nothing better to do before the Go Go's open. The reason: I was never very much enthralled with the quality on Soi 6 and thus I rarely took a girl upstairs. But this being LOS, I don't expect the quality to get any better since the prices have been raised. Too bad. I expect the Soi 6 faithfull are up in arms over this development. Maybe, if you are a well known customer the price hike won't apply to you. I don't know. Think I will check and see what is being posted on that other forum which we can't mention the name of here.

But all that said, I did meet a simple, Isan girl last time I wandered down Soi 6 and after some fun prelims down stairs she took me upstairs and we had a very passionate bareback session.
Overall looks - 5. 25 stars.
Body 6 stars.
Personality 7. 5 stars.
Sex 7. 5 stars. [/QUOTE]You're totally true for Soi 6. But not only in Soi 6. Now in Pattaya it's very difficult to find sexy young ladies! Maybe you can think I'm difficult customer but when I pay I like to fuck sexy ladies! But in Soi 6, I don't know if you agree with me but usually we can find 1 sexy girl per bar. You just need to arrive on the good moment when she's free and not shagging with other customer. Usually sexy girls are taken quickly in room.

That's why each time I arrive early in Soi 6 around 6/7 pm and I'm a hunter looking for the sexy girl! Sometimes I find abd sometimes not so then I go other soi.

But usually I'm lucky and I find sexy ladies!

And for condoms I never use. I love barebacking and CIP. And ladies are OK. Usually I give them TIP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2449616]Most of the girls I choose do give a fuck. They are not handing out BBFS+CIP in the first hour of a first session with absolutely no discussion about condoms in the room, especially not for 700 baht. And that no further discussion about it is what I am negotiating for upfront and willing to pay an additional insignificant upcharge for it. I am not talking about getting it on the second or third session. I am not talking about getting it after a 15 minute conversation about it in my room over my increasingly less interested wilting erection.

Could I target ladies I am already 90% sure would not say no to BBFS+CIP in the room with or without a confrontation and the same dreary "safety first" conversation women have been launching into with me and the same tedious responses I have been explaining to them about it for the past 45+ years of mongering?

Yep. Easily.

But, for one thing, I would be targeting a much less attractive level of female than I'd even want to fuck. And, for another thing, I would much, much, much rather just get that discussion over with on the street, in the club or online and start enjoying the knowledge that I will, not might, be getting what I want with this girl with no further discussion required in the room for a mere 500 - 1000 baht more than what appears to already be rock bottom bargain prices.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. It's long time now I didn't use any condom. I've a full box of condoms I've never open for the last 2 years. I hate condoms and if girls don't ask me to put condoms I don't put. I know some people will think I'm crazy, but it's very difficult for me to be horny with condoms! This year only 2 girls on soi 6 asked me to use condoms and they were maybe the most most beautiful girls of the soi but after a negotiation of only 1 minutes, I told them the magic word! "I give you more money" ! And waouhhhh! They were OK! 1 wanted 2000 but I finally gave her 1000 more and the other just 500 and she was happy! And I came in their pussy!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452875]Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?[/QUOTE]It sounds by the time they are opened there be a vaccine?

This corona virus thingy seems to be on the verge of delivering a fatal blow to the P4P scene in Pattaya. With still no effective control in place and no sign of it abating in next month or two, I wonder if we will ever see the hundreds of girls lined up in Coco bar again. A month or two of absence would not have made a lasting difference but several months definitely will cause lasting damage. Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. Many bars will close. Govt might jump in and use this opportunity to close massage shops and bars to deliver body blow to P4P scene.

What are your predictions for future of Pattaya and LOS, in general?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2453085]This corona virus thingy seems to be on the verge of delivering a fatal blow to the P4P scene in Pattaya. With still no effective control in place and no sign of it abating in next month or two, I wonder if we will ever see the hundreds of girls lined up in Coco bar again. A month or two of absence would not have made a lasting difference but several months definitely will cause lasting damage. Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. Many bars will close. Govt might jump in and use this opportunity to close massage shops and bars to deliver body blow to P4P scene.

What are your predictions for future of Pattaya and LOS, in general?[/QUOTE]Pattaya was struggling before 19 C. Sure it will return. But will non Pattaya enthusiasts return.

I'm not a big fan of Pattaya.

700 baht big AgoGo stars may get me back. Price sells.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2453085] Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. [/QUOTE]If they could catch a local that have enough money to take care of them they would already have one before covid appears.

Locals with money are not interested by these girls.

And these girls are not interested in having the kind of life that poor Thai couples are having so don't worry for that aspect.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2453186]I'm not a big fan of Pattaya.

700 baht big AgoGo stars may get me back. [/QUOTE]Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453306]Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but yet read the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even monthly basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.[/QUOTE]Because this thread has often had more interesting non Pattaya-related/Field Report-related discussions regarding general P4P methods and madness as well as other topics than say, the Bangkok Reports thread.

Seriously. Go back into the archives and you'll see what I mean. More interesting side topics are raised here, by Pattaya afficionados, guys who live there and punters who just came back from a trip to Pattaya, that logjcally should have been initiated in the Thai Lounge or Stupid Shit in Thailand threads than almost any other thread.

Which begs the question, why is (was) there not enough compelling subject matter here directly related to specific girls, bars and venues in Pattaya to fill the spare time even of those punters who live there and devote most of their mongering time and energy there so as to crowd out any apparently often more discussion-stimulating input from the "I've been there, not a big fan, but on that particular subject this is what I believe" postings?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2453309]Which begs the question, why is (was) there not enough compelling subject matter here directly related to specific girls, bars and venues in Pattaya to fill the spare time even of those punters who live there and devote most of their mongering time and energy there so as to crowd out any apparently often more discussion-stimulating input from the "I've been there, not a big fan, but on that particular subject this is what I believe" postings?[/QUOTE]Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.

Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453311]Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.[/QUOTE]LOL. If so, very perceptive of you! Can't say I was paying enough attention to pick up on that.

[QUOTE]Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.[/QUOTE]Yes, those are (were) good info. Hopefully, we can get back to reporting up-to-date observations about the scene less of a downer than what I have seen on a daily and nightly basis here in Bangkok. On the street scene, that is.

Met a chick the other night on TF. She said that she was in the massage business, but since things are at zero now she has started selling sandwiches out of the shop. She sent me a picture of a delicious looking BLT. It is hard to get a good one around here so I was up for it.

The next day I did not make breakfast. About 1 pm I took a bicycle ride over to the place with nothing but that BLT on my mind. I got in the vicinity and she was not answering to guide me to the correct place. I figured it out and upon her coming outside I gave her the third degree. She said she was busy talking to a friend who was there as well.

They offered me water and I told her that I was ready for that beautiful sandwich that she had showed me. Her and another friend instead tried to talk me into a Vietnamese pizza (no idea either) but that was not what I came for. Finally she gave in to make the sandwich.

What she came back with was nothing like the picture. It was pepperoni and shredded carrots between 2 pieces of bread. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I rode all the way over here for a BLT after not cooking this morning and you bring me whatever this is? Are you sure this is not April Fools Day? Her friends were trying to explain that she knew nothing about Western culture and food. Well why the fuck would she try to sell it off to me that she did? One friend said that she had worked in a restaurant for a British boss before and she would take her to the supermarket the next day to buy all the things needed for a Western style sandwich.

I stuck around a while longer and the restaurant friend was leaving. The other friend went to make one of those Vietnamese pizzas for a Thai chick that came through. So now the girl is rubbing on my leg and asking to come stay at my place tonight. I told her sure. She asked how much I would give her and I told her 50 baht. She said 50 baht will not even buy a condom. She said what if we go upstairs right now and fuck. I said 500 baht. (The same as I have always said should be paid for fucking at a massage shop.).

She was really happy and went upstairs to start the AC. She came back and got me. I knocked that pussy into next week. When we finished she took me into the shower and gave me a bath. She had the biggest water trash can that I have seen in my life. It damn near came to my chest. I dried off, got dressed, and hit the road.

Only in Pattaya one can for a sandwich and get fucked instead.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2453336]Met a chick the other night on TF. She said that she was in the massage business, but since things are at zero now she has started selling sandwiches out of the shop. She sent me a picture of a delicious looking BLT. It is hard to get a good one around here so I was up for it.

The next day I did not make breakfast. About 1 pm I took a bicycle ride over to the place with nothing but that BLT on my mind. I got in the vicinity and she was not answering to guide me to the correct place. I figured it out and upon her coming outside I gave her the third degree. She said she was busy talking to a friend who was there as well.

They offered me water and I told her that I was ready for that beautiful sandwich that she had showed me. Her and another friend instead tried to talk me into a Vietnamese pizza (no idea either) but that was not what I came for. Finally she gave in to make the sandwich.

What she came back with was nothing like the picture. It was pepperoni and shredded carrots between 2 pieces of bread. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I rode all the way over here for a BLT after not cooking this morning and you bring me whatever this is? Are you sure this is not April Fools Day? Her friends were trying to explain that she knew nothing about Western culture and food. Well why the fuck would she try to sell it off to me that she did? One friend said that she had worked in a restaurant for a British boss before and she would take her to the supermarket the next day to buy all the things needed for a Western style sandwich..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2453085]This corona virus thingy seems to be on the verge of delivering a fatal blow to the P4P scene in Pattaya. With still no effective control in place and no sign of it abating in next month or two, I wonder if we will ever see the hundreds of girls lined up in Coco bar again. A month or two of absence would not have made a lasting difference but several months definitely will cause lasting damage. Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. Many bars will close. Govt might jump in and use this opportunity to close massage shops and bars to deliver body blow to P4P scene.

What are your predictions for future of Pattaya and LOS, in general?[/QUOTE]About me, not sure if my opinion is worth anything, but Pattaya and Thailand is fucked. Their only "slim to none" chance of hope is to follow Monkeypaw's advice, which I think they are doing. That is. Fool the rest of the world as if Thailand cares so much about public health of its citizens and guests. Adopt the same measures as neighboring Asian and ASEAN countries which they rely on for trade and tourism. You see this in their scan, track, and trace requirement which anybody on the ground can tell you. It's a cluster fuck with people scribbling unreadable names and fake phone numbers. And others not even signing out. If Koreans do it, so must the copycat Thais. Thailand also wants to project a clean, safe, Coronavirus free country to the world, yet they can't control their HIV / AIDS infections or TB death in the tens of thousands. They are like bottom third in countries when it comes to achieving their own heath initiatives and goals according to the WHO, yet they have all these top notch hospitals ranked 6th best in the world. Those who live here will tell you it's about disparity and the best services are only for the wealthy who have money. But this top healthcare system should make tourists feel safe. So their only hope is to convince the world that Thailand is a safe haven for those who want to get away from their disease ridden country as an escape. They had this strategy when all this started and instead of the Chinese born COVID-19, their blame was on Western and European countries for the spread. Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1900795/imf-thai-gdp-down-6-7-[/URL]

As for Pattaya, it's been 1 week since most business were allowed to reopen besides the naughty stuff, entertainment, and others (basically the places they DO NOT want their people to spend money on in a time of economic crisis like parents controlling their kids). A good indicator of how the entertainment businesses will do is is keep an eye on how fine dining and non-casual restaurants do. And in Pattaya, those are failing and empty. Very few people want to pay that price and not receive the level of service, quality, or dining out experience they are used to. Even the casual restaurants in the mall are only doing 25-40% of their normal sales. I spoke to a (very hot) girl at the Puma store today and was told they only sold a cap and a pair of shorts the entire day on a Sunday at 6:40 PM. Central Festival was only 10-15% of their normal crowd. Royal garden was at 5%. Mikes Shopping Mall is still closed. Most Beach Road businesses are closed. Almost all on Walking Street are too. All the while, rent needs to be paid. Businesses, like people, who lived month to month are going to go bankrupt, just like Thai Airways current "restructuring," a term so people don't panic. Most have only around 6 months of safety and this downturn will last so much longer.

But it's not only about Thailand. It becomes "macro," when the big names like China or the USA or Hong Kong or the EU fails. And guess what? Shit is hitting the ceiling with all of them right now. I expect it to get worse with more bankruptcies and layoffs added to an already struggling economy so highly dependent on tourism. Remember entertainment and dining out used to give us an "experience" worth paying extra for. You can stay at home and call a hooker over or you go out, hang out, drink it up, and party a bit for a hooker. If the prices don't change but the service and experience does with all these new restrictions, do you still pay? Will it even be fun anymore? Now there is worry that the prices will go up, just like airlines in order to re-coop previous and current losses. Now will you still pay? And as I walked around in the mall tonight, I can see the look of despair in the faces of the shop workers. Their co-workers have been laid off, staff reduced, workload increased, but nobody is spending on needless things. For example, girls are buying less make up and not getting their hair done as much at the shop because who is there to impress? The weekend warriors at the bars and clubs are gone. They can wake up, put on a face mask and go outside. It's a domino effect and the more you think, those connections make it look grim. How much money is spent trying to peacock and attracting the opposite sex? Good luck with that now. I was telling XXL, I have to remind girls to wear make up for our appointments to fuck.

Anyways, need to break up the gloom and doom talk with some positives. Tree Town is still kicking. Rules are relaxed there, so people can drink and socialize. Because as someone mentioned, the police got heir hands in that area and it is a money maker. It's fast and very casual with little or no service provided. However, places like Mulligans, Beer Hub, And Soul City are doing poor with waiters just standing around. So anyways, that's the new tiny Walking Street of sort, but not much action for the sober monger with good vision. Very few quality in my opinion, but what do I know. I don't have a good track record with selecting the prettiest girls. Girls are also working out of the Titty Twister club on Soi Post Office. Grabbed a cute skinny one (there was only 3) during an evening stroll for 1000. Also near the Subway on Buakhao, are 3 girls who sell face masks at the AG Massage shop. They fuck for 1200. Took a short haired one the other night coming back from Tree Town. Both girls provided BBBJ, with CIM along with CFS. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453306]Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.[/QUOTE]Because Pattaya is very similar to Bangkok. That's why.

Availability of girls, numbers of girl, cool atmosphere in city, food, night life, beach, cheap accomodation pattaya give complete package to monger that's why I visited 6 times in pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453306]Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453399]About me, not sure if my opinion is worth anything, but Pattaya and Thailand is fucked. Their only "slim to none" chance of hope is to follow Monkeypaw's advice, which I think they are doing. That is. Fool the rest of the world as if Thailand cares so much about public health of its citizens and guests. Adopt the same measures as neighboring Asian and ASEAN countries which they rely on for trade and tourism. You see this in their scan, track, and trace requirement which anybody on the ground can tell you. It's a cluster fuck with people scribbling unreadable names and fake phone numbers. And others not even signing out. If Koreans do it, so must the copycat Thais. Thailand also wants to project a clean, safe, Coronavirus free country to the world, yet they can't control their HIV / AIDS infections or TB death in the tens of thousands. They are like bottom third in countries when it comes to achieving their own heath initiatives and goals according to the WHO, yet they have all these top notch hospitals ranked 6th best in the world. Those who live here will tell you it's about disparity and the best services are only for the wealthy who have money. But this top healthcare system should make tourists feel safe. So their only hope is to convince the world that Thailand is a safe haven for those who want to get away from their disease ridden country as an escape. They had this strategy when all this started and instead of the Chinese born COVID-19, their blame was on Western and European countries for the spread. Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]Good reportage, Paw. Thanks.

I just have one question: doesn't this pending economic disaster facing the tourist industry and all other related sectors of the economy add incredible pressure on the Government to open up the friggin' country? To put back up the welcome sign and let anyone who want's to visit, visit and bring their hard currency with them. Yeah, temperature test new arrivals - for sure - and look for visual signs of illness, but let the risk tolerant tourists back in now, before it is too late. Meanwhile, as the country reopens, tell grandma and grandpa to self isolate for the good of the nation. That is the path forward unless the politicians are willing to accept the prevention being far worse than the virus itself. But which country has the guts to open up 1st? HA HA. That is the real question.

[QUOTE=Rambo95;2453429]Availability of girls, numbers of girl, cool atmosphere in city, food, night life, beach, cheap accomodation pattaya give complete package to monger that's why I visited 6 times in pattaya.[/QUOTE]And you forget to say, only in Pattaya all the ladies fuck bareback! BB is maybe accepted at 99% of the time! 90 % of ladies never ask to wear condom, and if they want you use condom, usually with a tip, the accept barebacking! LOL.

They just scare you come inside and give them baby! LOL.

And what is funny is they scare about Corona & Covid 19, they all want wear a mask! LOL.

But for sex no problem to fuck them bareback!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2453418]Because Pattaya is very similar to Bangkok. That's why.[/QUOTE]If they are similar and you don't like Pattaya does that mean you don't like Bangkok either?

Imo they are not similar at all other than the locals are Thai.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453311]Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.

Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.[/QUOTE]If this is true I wonder why individuals would do such a thing? Do they not have a life, is their self-esteem so low, that they need to spend all their time researching and writing reports and never really ever experience things first hand?

Their parents must be knocking on lock doors " johnny what you doing in there " posters need to stop writing reports and providing photos this is only feeding their wet dreams?

Keep up the good work BB, I do read your report although I live here it shortens my research list so I don't visit places that haven't changed?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453399]SNIP

Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]Wrote this last night, and this article came out this morning. I think I hit the nail if the head. Others on here too, have mentioned this was the strategy all along for the Thais because if their "blame the farrangs" mentality. Especially, coming out of the Health Minister's mouth. China used to be #1 and have dropped to #14 with regards to COVID-19 and probably even further as time keeps passing by. Plus a nice clause would perhaps just limit those in Wuhan from travel and not the rest of China.

Keep in mind, last year, the USA pulled back on a 1. 3 billion dollar trade exception with Thailand and it kicked in recently. Basically, 1. 3 billion in Thai imports to the USA are now higher taxed. Hey "look nobody wants to buy Thai made goods unless they were untaxed" was the message the USA wanted. This move was to discourage China from moving manufacturing jobs to Thailand. Thailand has then chosen its side with the Chinese. So much crap goes on in these back rooms at a political level, most ordinary citizens are left in the dark. You don't think a phone call was made between government officials to underreport or propagandize their COVID situations and numbers? Money is always on the mind of governments more so than lives of.

And health of its citizens. Ever seen those pics of the polluted factory cities in China with black silt covering its people? Just look deeper. It's no conspiracy theory, it's common sense. Money rules this world. Am I wrong or do you still think it's love and empathy for our fellow mankind?

How does this hurt Monkeypaw? Yeah, I'm Asian but my passports are USA and HK, both anti-China. Hong Kong does not have the same strong bilateral agreement as China. Guess, I got to pop into my back pocket and pull out the secret passport #3. Oh yeah, done that already. That's why I've been here which seem forever all along. Different names definitely helps. Just like some James Bond type of shit.

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/thailand-looking-at-quarantine-waiver-for-selected-tourists/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2453351]Only in Pattaya one can for a sandwich and get fucked instead.[/QUOTE]I did offer a chick a homemade pizza for a fuck. Obviously, I wasn't to keen or serious on the girl. Thank God she rejected my offer because apparently from an insider tip, she was a LB posing, though her profile says female. Save me the headache. But I guess if it was a bait and switch, all I had to do was pay up a few slices to get her to leave. Not too bad. I still don't understand why aren't there more bait and switch and LB stories here on ISG? You mean all these years of mongering and nobody but Monkeypaw ever got fooled, especially online?

BTW that title Pizza that Ass is from one of my favorites Riley Reid award winning short films.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453479]If they are similar and you don't like Pattaya does that mean you don't like Bangkok either?

Imo they are not similar at all other than the locals are Thai.[/QUOTE]What's so different about Pattaya? Just a smaller version of BKK.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2453454]And you forget to say, only in Pattaya all the ladies fuck bareback! BB is maybe accepted at 99% of the time! 90 % of ladies never ask to wear condom, and if they want you use condom, usually with a tip, the accept barebacking! LOL.![/QUOTE]Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.

M. P. 's observation is pretty much on the money if not right on the money. Even before the Virus, I sat around telling anyone who would listen close to 10 years now there is a war coming with this country who would have known it would be a guy like Trump leading the charge! I've for years waited for a politician of any party to bring out what Trump and the Virus have today done expose China leaders.

When it comes to the trade war living here it wasn't just China or Thailand every region of the world was taking advantage of the USA This nonsense of "Global" was just a word if the Virus hadn't come the next target was our good old friends Europe. While the trade war was going on with the USA China had contracted with a number of smaller companies through the Thai leaders to ship goods from China and have it packaged in Thailand and ship to USA To avoid the taxes imposed by Trump for China.

You go to the shelves of markets like Big see, Lotus, Tops, Foodland you can see the mark up of 40% for American name products. I had a good conversation with the wife the other day if everything was the same price would you buy Thai or American. I brought over over USA Top-grade T-Bone steak it was gone in one day I've had Thai beef you get use to it but they know and it goes for most everything except their rice. I grew up with a Texas brand I had no problem with it? Whenever the girls at the GoGos know I'm going home I get calls for perfume!

Thailand leaders have made their choice every word out of their mouth leads to allowing China and other Asian countries (ASEAN) special treatment they have shortchanged their own people daily and now with the Virus I hope they see their true colors and do something about it instead of following like sheep. This Virus allows their leaders to get a tighter grip on the country by keeping it shut using emergency decree!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453512]I did offer a chick a homemade pizza for a fuck. Obviously, I wasn't to keen or serious on the girl. Thank God she rejected my offer because apparently from an insider tip, she was a LB posing, though her profile says female. Save me the headache. But I guess if it was a bait and switch, all I had to do was pay up a few slices to get her to leave. Not too bad. I still don't understand why aren't there more bait and switch and LB stories here on ISG? You mean all these years of mongering and nobody but Monkeypaw ever got fooled, especially online?

BTW that title Pizza that Ass is from one of my favorites Riley Reid award winning short films.[/QUOTE]It's a good thing Thai leaders don't give a hoot about their populace. If they did Thailand would be Singapore.

Do you all want that?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2453564].............When it comes to the trade war living here it wasn't just China or Thailand every region of the world was taking advantage of the USA ...........[/QUOTE]Every country that has the opportunity will take advantage of another country that gives it the opportunity. Its called international relations.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453623]Every country that has the opportunity will take advantage of another country that gives it the opportunity. Its called international relations.[/QUOTE]True, that is what it is called at the beginning in politics after the relationship it turns into an Entitlement it is the same if you take the same girl more than once!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2453603]It's a good thing Thai leaders don't give a hoot about their populace. If they did Thailand would be Singapore.

Do you all want that?[/QUOTE]True, I ***** with the best of them but one of my favorite sayings after the bitching ", if they were able to fix what is wrong guys like me, wouldn't be enjoying the 30-1 plus exchange ratio " so there is a decision to be made " just ***** ".

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2453532]Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.[/QUOTE]Yours has certainly been my experience too. And much more so in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

I even mentioned in a recent Pattaya trip FR that a farang friend I was with who could not have been a more chick magnet if he'd been the most popular young male movie and singing star in Thailand had exactly the same experience. He almost bailed out of Pattaya altogether by the second night from the annoyance of having so much bullshit "promise" and sales pitch thrown at him with virtually zero True GFE/Real Sex (BBFS+CIP) follow through, to a depressing degree he had never experienced in several years of living in Bangkok and Hua Hin. And he was prepared to pay a fair or even a generous amount for what he wanted.

I probably should mention this. We both were trying our best to only focus on girls of a certain minimum level of overall attractiveness while we were there, itself a major challenge in Pattaya. No, I don't mean they had to be super stunners. Not at all. Just a certain minimum of acceptability worth the trip and effort.

There is no doubt anyone can cruise through Pattaya and identify one lady after another who could not afford to allow a BBFS+CIP request or any other request pass her by any time of day or night for any amount of money. As is the case everywhere else. But we did not approach those ladies and only tried our best to extricate ourselves from their clutches and attention as politely as possible.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2453756]There is a school of thought that it is because US super power status is being challenged. It is how a treaty or law works, and it often has unintended consequences. One of it is that China is still classified as developing nation so it takes advantage of the status. This probably will all be fine if they don't challenge US technologically and militarily. Of example is quantum satellite and similar event has happen before. Russian is the first to send satellite to space and you can read about it on NASA web site to see how US react.[/QUOTE]I wrote a really long reply to you but in the end it wouldn't post maybe that is a good thing so this time I will just make is short.

I fully understand your view and how things work in the world especially in regards to the superpower and satellite thing. Here is the difference as far as I'm concern I grew up spending a lot of summers in Hong Kong and in my adult years spend time in China even before real capitalism was introduced to them with the four economic zones. Maybe it was my destiny because I loaded up with Chinese / American / Consitution courses to keep me out of the draft.

I have no problem with someone else becoming the leader of the world other than the USA In spite of America not being perfect do their share of nation-building but this has been going on long before there was any America. In today's world I still would like them to lead if any of you want China or Russian I say knock yourself out!

You use the word " Challenge " it might apply somewhat with Russia in space I'm sure both did their share of stealing but when it comes to how China got here today to say the challenge is far with what they did? What they did and still doing is lie cheat and steal their way to the top and that doesn't include killing their own people and spying every chance they can by sending students into the USA To steal our technology.

In the last year, they have caught a dozen spies working in government projects it might be too late to even stop them unless they just plainly close off all Visa for Chinese wanting to study here. You want to lead do it by leading not stealing. What bothers me and I've said this long ago sooner or later it is going to catch up to the rest of us Chinese Americans who are here legit fought for America like my father and Uncle in WW2.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2453756]There is a school of thought that it is because US super power status is being challenged. It is how a treaty or law works, and it often has unintended consequences. One of it is that China is still classified as developing nation so it takes advantage of the status. This probably will all be fine if they don't challenge US technologically and militarily. Of example is quantum satellite and similar event has happen before. Russian is the first to send satellite to space and you can read about it on NASA web site to see how US react.[/QUOTE]There is also a school of thought that this is the Pattaya thread.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2453532]Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.[/QUOTE]Well you're not lucky! In fact we never speak about condom or not before the act! Usually I love to kiss her, to lick her pussy long time and then to fuck her and usually when I'm ready to fuck them, they don't ask me to wear a condom! Only few girls ask me to put a condom and in this case I tell them I'm clean and I give them little tip like 500 and then I come in their pussy!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2453448]Good reportage, Paw. Thanks.

I just have one question: doesn't this pending economic disaster facing the tourist industry and all other related sectors of the economy add incredible pressure on the Government to open up the friggin' country? To put back up the welcome sign and let anyone who want's to visit, visit and bring their hard currency with them. Yeah, temperature test new arrivals - for sure - and look for visual signs of illness, but let the risk tolerant tourists back in now, before it is too late. Meanwhile, as the country reopens, tell grandma and grandpa to self isolate for the good of the nation. That is the path forward unless the politicians are willing to accept the prevention being far worse than the virus itself. But which country has the guts to open up 1st? HA HA. That is the real question.[/QUOTE]I wished it was that simple. Unless you are an economics guru (and even then because those expert and models haven't always been right), it's hard understand the complexity of this "world," not just Thailand crisis. You have a world wide economic crisis because you have a world wide public health crisis, not the other way around. I have an MBA in Global Business and an MHA with a minor in Health Studies plus worked in the Infectious Disease and HIV / AIDs department at a high level and I am still confused as fuck. But you know why? It's because those at the top aren't tell us everything and because technically, they don't know everything as well. Anybody, who tries to compare this to anything in the past isn't being fair. Why? The world economy is not the same as it was during Spanish Flu or anything previous. We are a global economy with the service sector outweighing the manufacturing sector or farming sector. It was not like this way back when. So the whole social distancing, no gathering thing is going to kill the world's economy by destroying the service sector. Don't believe any of the numbers they tell you. Just ask yourself how did they come up with them, and did they miss or left out any valid data points. For example, Thailand has only 3000 confirmed cases as reported. How many potentially "unconfirmed" is my next question? They will say "we don't know. " Then the answer IS "we don't know how many total cases in Thailand. " Do not mislead the people especially the uneducated that you have this under control by flashing only 3000 everyday on the news. You really have to play the devil's advocate.

To answer your question, all I can say is that things are pretty much allow to open in Pattaya besides entertainment and a few others. But yet, most are still shut down either by choice or didn't pay the rent. They are failing or know they will fail. This will snowball. Trust me, if Thailand was still making money before the shutdown, they would have still stayed open. My suggestion, was they should have trapped ALL their tourists here instead of scaring them off. They could have given incentives like, free COVID insurance, reduced hotel, transportation, attractions, and and tour rates, extended all visas and stamps free for 6 months, and kept things opened with precautions. I wonder how many tourists would have waited it out in Thailand? Remember what the tourism industry is. You are willing to pay foreign money to a country or business to look a giant statue or attraction. You come and buy useless crap that you can probably get at home cheaper. The profit margin is pretty high. Also a good indicator is to watch the non-casual and fine dining restaurants. If places like Sea Zone (not even open) or El Guacho (ask someone in BKK) do bad, so will the entertainment business. That's a solid predictor for entertainment, travel, and tourism. So no use in opening. People want free (beaches and parks) or low cost things to do during this time, not luxury. Sex tourism is a luxury. Think about it, we are part of "the HAVES" not the "Have nots."

The world has its eyes on the USA and Sweden right now because of their approach. If they fail, all hell breaks loose. I think you guys know why. It's the domino effect and the result of our interdependence on each other in this world. The Bretton Woods Agreement and the mighty US Dollar. If I was some of these other countries right now, I would send my best and my brightest or as much as possible to help out the USA from failing. That should have been done in the beginning when it started in China and it should have happened with other issues like starvation in Africa, and the wild fires in Australia. Imagine if the world put Pro -Sports or EDM Festivals on hold, in their respective countries and used that money and resources to wipe out a current crisis 10,000 miles away. We live with a "not in my backyard" mentality, yet we all share the same really big back yard with giant puddles and the same air. This is chaos, when nothing makes sense anymore.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2453852]I'm not sure why you would say this about diversity in government and politics. Because even now we have enough diversity in the world to have sexual freedom in Thailand and some other places too.

So, I can leave my country where this kind of stuff is prohibited and find my freedom in Thailand, at least temporarily and at least enough to satisfy my need for companionship and sex enough not to feel desperate and depressed about it.

Perhaps the word 'freedom' is too general and too abstract to have much meaning. You need to be more specific what freedom exactly you are talking about. Because even in Thailand, people might have sexual freedoms, but their other freedoms might be restricted.

It all depends on what kind of freedom you need, so that you can go to a place where such freedom exists and experience it.[/QUOTE]My response to you was based on your comment in regards to " I rather have diversity world where various countries and jurisdictions free to arrange their laws the way they like! " just like everything in life no one is going to get everything the way they want!

Your original response was why talk about politics on the Pattaya thread I gave you my answer but based on your latest response and how the tone comes across you might be right for someone who doesn't want to talk about it sure has a lot to say. What I'm starting to find out not only here but if it doesn't come across perfectly they tend to get a bit heated under the collar. In another forum, I read a post it was perfectly innocent basically just an announcement not taking anyone side all of a sudden a guy comes back with a reply accusing the poster of not caring and killing people.

When it comes to politics it seems it is left or right now no in-between it is my way or the highway one can't even express an opinion without someone going over the edge. Yes no more politics here and people talk about freedom?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2445848]2000 baht ST is kind of risky in times like this. This is what this girl wanted off Tinder, which is noted for having lots of LBs. So I need those with good eyes to help me validate this is a girl before I jump in. She didn't want to give me height and weight. Those hips got me suspicious, but I really can't tell either way.[/QUOTE]Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453951]Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.[/QUOTE]So no LB after all. However, her lower body must have been below average the way she kept it out of sight on her pics. I am wary of girls who emphasise their tits too much, as it often means tits are their only asset.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453984]Oh Fuck it, I'll join in the politics stuff and this will become a politics thread. No more Pattaya info.

So why is Trump such a conceited dickhead? Is he right in reopening America? Not sure if he's a left winger or a right winger? Why doesn't he just play Center?[/QUOTE]I did try to break it up with the 2000 baht MILF. Maybe it's better to go invade Shane's space in the Thailand pics thread with my Pattaya reviews so they don't get lost.

But to answer your question, who we were previously is pretty irrelevant. We are judged on the following when it comes adversity.

1. What actions or inaction were done to prevent?

2. What actions or inaction were done to prepare?

3. What was the response or non-response and related outcomes?

4. And how much control, influence, or power does one have to do 1-3?

Blaming others is a very weak option. You've seen Hollywood warning about viruses and pandemics for years now with all those movies. But yet? And while you can keep blaming predecessors or others, when you hold the most powerful position in the world, got to ask yourself. If I could go back in time, would I do things the same? If not, then you must admit you made mistakes. I think what most people dislike, is his inability to say "I'm sorry, I'm human, and I make mistakes."

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453951]Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.[/QUOTE]Looks like a 100% ladyboy to me, the very large hands, large feet, very long arms, square shoulders, and adams apple give the game away for sure.

Maybe you were able to have penetrative sex if this had had a sex change which is quite possible, anyways as long as you enjoyed yourself that's what counts.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452611]Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!
SNIP[/QUOTE]They say it's to track down Coronavirus infected. But nobody can read the handwriting, fake telephone numbers, and most don't even sign or log out. My guess is that they are tracking consumers spending habits and retail and business costumer visits in order to actually do a contraction. What that means is that for example there are 3 women's clothing store or 3 pharmacies in same area, you track consumers because eventually government has to step in and close some in the future because of the recession. It's how money gets funneled. They can't let the rent and utilities keep on while business owners keep holding out for a miracle trying to keep their shops open. Things get worse that way. They also don't want their bail out money going on luxury items. Just like a bunch of kids being told by parents how to spend their money during times of hardship. But the government does it on the down low and you don't even realize what's going on.

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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2454093]ET, your post is total bullshit. Thanks for polluting this forum once again. You must be getting very worried that the mentally retarded front man for the Democratic Party is going to get himself badly beaten in the next American Election. It must be keeping you up and nights. Why don't you go fuck a nice Thai girl bareback, report about THAT in the BKK or Pattaya Reports thread and go somewhere else with your political rants...........[/QUOTE]Can we get back to talking sex with Thai girls on the Pattaya thread? We all know Trump is a bull shit president so now lets move on.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2454093]ET, your post is total bullshit. Thanks for polluting this forum once again. You must be getting very worried that the mentally retarded front man for the Democratic Party is going to get himself badly beaten in the next American Election. It must be keeping you up and nights. Why don't you go fuck a nice Thai girl bareback, cum in her mouth, report about THAT in the BKK or Pattaya Reports thread, and go somewhere else with your political rants.

One last time ET, what does this political BS have to do with Pattaya? Jackson moved all political crap to the American Political thread less than a week ago and yet here you go again.

NB.[/QUOTE]Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2454111]Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know there were a few earlier posts that were in forum violation, but that is no excuse. You and I are adults here. We should set an example with our own postings and not encourage bad behavior. The rule is simple: the Thai threads are for everything Thai related. The American Political thread is for the political junkies left and right to joust.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2454123]I wonder why admin doesn't just move these posts to those other threads instead of deleting some of them while leaving others where they are.[/QUOTE]Your guess is as good as mine.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2453999]Looks like a 100% ladyboy to me, the very large hands, large feet, very long arms, square shoulders, and adams apple give the game away for sure.

Maybe you were able to have penetrative sex if this had had a sex change which is quite possible, anyways as long as you enjoyed yourself that's what counts.[/QUOTE]When you've come as far as fucking her, if it's a post-op you'll notice it for sure. Everything is different between a clinical pussy and a real one. Unless you're drunk or high on drugs when you're doing her.

Regular Forum reader. Finally decided to take Signup.

Bangkok Scene started and some girls ready to meet.

From my thinking it is not safe to go ahead now.

How about seniors.

Hellvel.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2454111]Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.[/QUOTE]I think I learned something. I can only explain my thinking. I was not thinking about taking side or discussing politics. I was just thinking about it in a deeper context but it got singled out as political post, maybe it is and I don't deny it but that is not my motivation. I think people will read too much into these types of posts.

FWIW, The news report that I saw about the lost of $1. 3 Billion trade preferences is for seafood over worker rights issue. It is easy to find out with google.

This TF girl just stood me up. She has (at least) 2 listings.

[QUOTE=XXL;2454292]This TF girl just stood me up. She has (at least) 2 listings.[/QUOTE]The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2454295]The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.[/QUOTE]Then they "work" together. One said the other one was her "sister". I had a fall out some days ago with Kwang. This is really a small world. The pool of girls is smaller than it looks.

[QUOTE=XXL;2454302]Then they "work" together. One said the other one was her "sister". I had a fall out some days ago with Kwang. This is really a small world. The pool of girls is smaller than it looks.[/QUOTE]There a number of girls who use multiple profiles as TF admins will close accounts when they post line ID's or other links outside TF. The biggest user of MANY profiles is Noon who it's said has about 30 profiles, and there are complaints that someone helping her is creating more fake profiles using pictures of other TF girls. She has a great reputation but this is going to damage her situation.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2454295]The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.[/QUOTE]I take that back, there's four "I"'s in the profile [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Wanniiii22[/URL].

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2453999]Looks like a 100% ladyboy to me, the very large hands, large feet, very long arms, square shoulders, and adams apple give the game away for sure.

Maybe you were able to have penetrative sex if this had had a sex change which is quite possible, anyways as long as you enjoyed yourself that's what counts.[/QUOTE]Maybe. But I would choose and pay this one, over what I have seen some guys have been with any day, and I honestly do mean any day. I always said if I ever got fooled by a post op, she would not be uglier than some of the born females that I have witness some other guys walk hand in hand with. Trust me, everybody knows I have spent enough time in bars and clubs to have seen who sits with whom, and who walks out with whom. Yet, am still waiting to see what some of my fellow brethren have been fucking in Pattaya. But seems like not many want to share any pics or reviews. After all these years, till can't figure out why? Back to the topic of post ops, I asked a hypothetical question to a few unnamed buddies here in Pattaya recently. I asked the following:

Last two humans on Earth: You and choose one.

1. The hottest girl in her prime (Amanda Kerr is Monkeypaw's choice), BUT, truth is she was born male and had a full sex change. OR.

2. Whoopi Goldberg at her current age, who was born female.

Interesting that all said they would choose Whoopi. A few didn't answer and brushed off the hypothetical question. I wonder, if and when, lab created steak is on the menu, the same people will choose to eat the steak that actually comes from a dead cow because, well its "real" meat? Or it's ego? Either way, a great reckoning is coming for those who can't let go of this thing called ego. I'm going to play it safe, and keep going after whatever is "hot" and when the pieces fit. And in case you wonder, I don't eat meat, so the second part doesn't apply to me.

The chief of Thailand's National Security Council announced today that Thailand has set July 1 for the end of all "business and activity lockdowns" ordered to cope with the*Covid-19*crisis, include provincial and international travel. The announcement also included the end of the*Emergency Decree*and curfews.

Hopefully I will get a holiday in Mid July or at least August.

New seafood booth opened at Treetown. Advertised seafood tom yum noodles for 69 baht. Thought I check it out. Instead of what was pictured, got me a piping hot bowl of 7-11 packaged ramen noodles with a mussel, a shrimp, and squid ring. Broth was also from the seasoning packet for the 7-11 ramen. Asked about the 1/2 egg, in the photo. Told that it would be an extra 15 baht. I did get free napkins, but next time I would prefer some free lube instead. SMH.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2451991]You are not doing anything wrong, just seeing reality.

What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados.

Photo shop is indeed a wonderful invention for those that want smoke and mirrors to impress their fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.

Pattaya beach getting the go ahead to re-open June 1st.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/pattaya-city-mayor-says-pattaya-area-beaches-to-reopen-for-all-activities-on-june-first/?fbclid=IwAR2QMSV9vPrcNjCTfb2sm4MbYl-7BOPtDaw71k00uwJkU6jPzwwqQXYthA4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2454409]The chief of Thailand's National Security Council announced today that Thailand has set July 1 for the end of all "business and activity lockdowns" ordered to cope with the*Covid-19*crisis, include provincial and international travel. The announcement also included the end of the*Emergency Decree*and curfews.

Hopefully I will get a holiday in Mid July or at least August.[/QUOTE]That depends on July or August of which year? Pattaya News published a piece on what was actually said (as opposed to what has been "reported" on social media, etc.) and what it means in practice.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/fact-check-is-thailand-open-to-all-international-tourists-starting-july-first/[/URL]

The gist is that whilst international travel may open up from 1 July, it will only be for work permit holders. There has been no indication of relaxation of other restrictions at that time. The view is that 14 days quarantine (at the travellers expense, and must be at a state approved facilty not self isolation), requirement for USD100 k insurance cover for COVID, etc will remain in place in the medium term. The article expresses the view that it will be "mid fall" before things get easier.

I have read elsewhere that the Government is conscious of foreigners stranded overseas who are married to Thais and ordinarily live here. However, it emphasised that until stranded Thais had all been repatriated, which is not happening quickly due to quarantine availability, they would have to wait. This piece (can't track it down just at the minute) also bracketed holders of Residence Permits with Work Permit Holders as the next priority. Note that visas for marriage, retirement, etc are not Residence Permits.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2454538]That depends on July or August of which year? Pattaya News published a piece on what was actually said (as opposed to what has been "reported" on social media, etc.) and what it means in practice.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/fact-check-is-thailand-open-to-all-international-tourists-starting-july-first/[/URL]

The gist is that whilst international travel may open up from 1 July, it will only be for work permit holders. There has been no indication of relaxation of other restrictions at that time. The view is that 14 days quarantine (at the travellers expense, and must be at a state approved facilty not self isolation), requirement for USD100 k insurance cover for COVID, etc will remain in place in the medium term. The article expresses the view that it will be "mid fall" before things get easier.

I have read elsewhere that the Government is conscious of foreigners stranded overseas who are married to Thais and ordinarily live here. However, it emphasised that until stranded Thais had all been repatriated, which is not happening quickly due to quarantine availability, they would have to wait. This piece (can't track it down just at the minute) also bracketed holders of Residence Permits with Work Permit Holders as the next priority. Note that visas for marriage, retirement, etc are not Residence Permits.[/QUOTE]Good information. Somehow many folks are acting like a world wide crisis is not taking place. Am I the only one watching tie news?

Hi guys,

Like many of us, I'd love to go Thailand on 1 July and go Cambodia too. But right now, with the news, they say Prime minister of Thailand will not open the borders before fourth trimestry! So it means probably not before October. Do you really believe that or not?

Do you think we'll be lucky to go Thailand and Cambodia this summer? Or we can forget?

If it's not possible I was thinking to go PH, like Angeles! I never go there. Because they say on TV, Philippines will open its borders on July 15. Do you think it's true?

If yes, do you know if it's same like Pattaya to go to Angeles? Are the working girls sexy and good? Do the working girls accept easily BBFS, bareback and CIP in Ph? Is it same price like in Thailand or Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2454629]Hi guys,

Like many of us, I'd love to go Thailand on 1 July and go Cambodia too. But right now, with the news, they say Prime minister of Thailand will not open the borders before fourth trimestry! So it means probably not before October. Do you really believe that or not?

Do you think we'll be lucky to go Thailand and Cambodia this summer? Or we can forget?

If it's not possible I was thinking to go PH, like Angeles! I never go there. Because they say on TV, Philippines will open its borders on July 15. Do you think it's true?

If yes, do you know if it's same like Pattaya to go to Angeles? Are the working girls sexy and good? Do the working girls accept easily BBFS, bareback and CIP in Ph? Is it same price like in Thailand or Cambodia.[/QUOTE]MeThinks Jan 2021 is good time to go Thailand.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454516]If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.[/QUOTE]Yes I know this lady! I already fuck her before in soi 6 and she accepts BBFS all time.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454379]Maybe. But I would choose and pay this one, over what I have seen some guys have been with any day, and I honestly do mean any day. I always said if I ever got fooled by a post op, she would not be uglier than some of the born females that I have witness some other guys walk hand in hand with..........[/QUOTE]I would never ever knowingly go with a post-op; that's a man; end of story.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2454792]Yes I know this lady! I already fuck her before in soi 6 and she accepts BBFS all time.[/QUOTE]Another Eskimo buddy. Keep them coming. Thanks again for reminding me why I use condoms by the way. Have another 1000 meeting with her again this week. Fun girl and not a clock watcher. Been here 79 days and only 62 girls, but think at least half previously worked Soi 6. Seriously, I've never done so many Soi 6 girls ever. It's nice not to be known amongst this group unlike the Walking Street group. Had a chick who was sitting with me and Mr. E, told me that she knew me from the Candy Shop in WS. Never seen her in my life. Didn't think I was that recognizable.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2454824]I would never ever knowingly go with a post-op; that's a man; end of story.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.

Met her off TF. Last week she threw 1500 and I didn't bite. Tried again and was told 1000-1500. Set up a meeting after she sent me her LINE. Yet on LINE she didn't know who I was and asked for pics. Asked me how much I was going to pay even though on TF we agreed to 1000. Once again we agreed on same amount plus taxi. After confirming night before and in the morning and 1 hour before. Nothing. 20 minutes of lateness, I messaged her and was told she is putting on make up. Waited 15 more minutes and the as told she was looking for taxi. Like Soi Bongkot is in the boondocks or something. I respectfully told her another day because I called another girl and was greeted with a "fuck you. " What was fishy was the day before I confirmed and double checked her BMI and weight on TF again. Her profile was gone. Maybe she hid it from me. So block by my choice. Instead of of a crazy inconsiderate hooker, I enjoyed myself with homemade mango and coconut sticky rice with vanilla ice cream. I had a quick appetizer of wasted cherry Kamagra gel just before. Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered.

Question is: How patient are you for an appointment? For me it depends on if the girl kept communicating or if I had to chase her. Plus if I think she's worth the wait, but typically 20-30 minutes is my max.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454856]So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.[/QUOTE]I gather what you are saying in effect is if you find a girl attractive, barfine her, make out with her, get blown by her, and then discover she has a dick or is a postie it doesn't matter ie just go with it, have a good time and don't beat yourself up over it later. And surprise surprise, I agree! Ha Ha. Although I will note that I have never been fooled and I am always amazed when I see the pics of some of the ladyboys that have "fooled" certain guys. I mean I have always noticed something was not kosher way before the kissing/barfine stage. That something is a turn off for me not her birth status. So theoretically I am saying it might be possible for me to do a beautiful "25 year old Victoria Secret model" ladyboy, but highly unlikely because I do not believe one exists that could pass my radar. A more on point example would be the pics of a few very famous Thai fashion / actress ladyboys. In some of these pics the "girls" look absolutely amazing and they would fool me completely if I did not have pre knowledge of who / what they were, but pics by themselves can be very misleading. In real life, sitting close to one of these Thai super model / actress ladyboys I still think I would not be fooled, that I WOULD notice something was not quite kosher about my new acquaintance and I would cut the interview off in a friendly, polite, way. But again, if I saw nothing amiss, everything looked really good to me, really natural, then I'd go for it and have no regrets later. Theoretically speaking. 555.

In real life, as Natty says, you would get more clues as to whether a lady boy or not. Hard to tell by pictures. I'm sure I've walked away from some hot real girls because I just wasn't sure. Want some practice? Check out this video. I got them all right but watched the 'girls" a few times before deciding.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=End2IqA5e1A[/URL]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454856]So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.[/QUOTE]I ain't fucking no man. To each his own.

Please review the forum guidelines regarding Transvestites / Ladyboys / Shemales.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454998]Question is: How patient are you for an appointment? For me it depends on if the girl kept communicating or if I had to chase her. Plus if I think she's worth the wait, but typically 20-30 minutes is my max.[/QUOTE]If we are meeting near her place, I'll give about 10 minutes before I send a message that says "You weren't here so I left. Maybe we can get together on another day."

When meeting near my place, I do it a little different than most people. I might set an appointment at 9:00 PM, but I will immediately tell them that if they aren't there at 9:30, I will no longer be available. Sometimes I'm strict with that rule, other times I'm a bit lax. It depends on the girl's attitude. If I hear nothing from her until 9:30 PM, I'll probably block her and look elsewhere. If they have a better attitude, I'll wait longer. For example, this March I was in my Sukhumvit Soi 11 hotel waiting for a Nana go-go girl and starting at about 9:00 she texted me showing her location (on BTS but far from my stop). 10 minutes later she sent another text location (on BTS, closer to my stop). At about 9:30 she texted me with her location (at my BTS stop). She walked in my hotel lobby at 9:40. I was fine with that and I had a very good session.

I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2455130]
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I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.[/QUOTE]I am with you on those general wait time rules of thumb.

And on the firm commitment to meet the day before issue, it almost never fails that a fresh, new, more interesting offer will come along for me the day OF that prior firm commitment. It is as though they have psychic communication with each other on all my appointments and time schedules and do whatever it takes to confound them.

So now I will only make a prior commitment with the most loyal and rewarding repeats. And I will sometimes do that just to stir up like magic one of those fresh, new offers. LOL. Which it does trigger more often than not.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2455130]I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I just tell them soon. This is Pattaya. I don't know what I will be doing tomorrow and fooling with these chicks is like herding cats; especially when the bars and discos are open. I just hit them up 30 minutes before I want them to come and ask what they are doing. If they say nothing then I say come see me. I am not a planned fucker. I have no idea if I am going to want to fuck tomorrow at 3 pm. I prefer spur of the moment or very short notice.

With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.

There are testosterone circadian rythms.

Unpredictability becomes a killer.

While I'm writing this around noon, a girl who promised to message me as soon as she woke up still hasn't done so. For her to come at 2pm right after lunch I need to pop the Sildenafil at 12:45, a quarter of an hour before I have lunch. If I take the stuff after lunch it will not work.

Such predicaments can make repeating with a girl attractive compared to struggling to lure in a new one. Repeat girls are usually reliable.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455036]I gather what you are saying in effect is if you find a girl attractive, barfine her, make out with her, get blown by her, and then discover she has a dick or is a postie it doesn't matter ie just go with it, have a good time and don't beat yourself up over it later. And surprise surprise, I agree! Ha Ha. Although I will note that I have never been fooled and I am always amazed when I see the pics of some of the ladyboys that have "fooled" certain guys. I mean I have always noticed something was not kosher way before the kissing/barfine stage. That something is a turn off for me not her birth status. So theoretically I am saying it might be possible for me to do a beautiful "25 year old Victoria Secret model" ladyboy, but highly unlikely because I do not believe one exists that could pass my radar. A more on point example would be the pics of a few very famous Thai fashion / actress ladyboys. In some of these pics the "girls" look absolutely amazing and they would fool me completely if I did not have pre knowledge of who / what they were, but pics by themselves can be very misleading. In real life, sitting close to one of these Thai super model / actress ladyboys I still think I would not be fooled, that I WOULD notice something was not quite kosher about my new acquaintance and I would cut the interview off in a friendly, polite, way. But again, if I saw nothing amiss, everything looked really good to me, really natural, then I'd go for it and have no regrets later. Theoretically speaking. 555.[/QUOTE]Not quite because I was talking in lines of a post op, and not trans with dicks. This was brought up when in one of my reviews which I posted some pics, somebody commented about being a possible post op. To which I replied, if it was, I'm okay with that because I did all I can to screen beforehand to make sure there was no pre-op and dick surprise. That would be the real deal killer for me because of bait and switch. The girl had a pussy and it felt normal to me. Then the conversation switched to post-op and hot looking or born female and ugly, which is preferred if those were only choices left? Somebody, is pretty adamant about refusing to ever be with anything, even though beautiful and had pussy, just because it was born male. So my assumption is that person will choose the ugly just because it was born female. I find that strange. My motto is stick with beauty and if the pieces fit, even better. So one more time. Last two humans on Earth, somebody already said he would not choose the blonde because she wasn't born female. So by default he gets the red head with glasses. I'm sticking with the Canadian beauty pageant model and cross my fingers that she had a sex change, which I think she completed way before she competed in Thailand.

So after being sorta stood up by the fishy as fuck chick. I called for plan a back plan to come over off ThaiFriendly. She previously worked at Soi 6 and was paid 1500. Cute small petite. Service was on par with GFE as my back up plan spent about 45 minutes backing up on my dick, while bent face down, and ass up. When I was about to nut, I was able to pull off the condom and jizz all over her ass. She reminds me of a VN girl I used to bang before her nose job. BB and Racshack met her and her husband during TET last year I think. Remember the lion dance? Maybe one of them can confirm the similar looks. Remember I said before nose job.

[QUOTE=XXL;2455187]With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.

There are testosterone circadian rythms.

Unpredictability becomes a killer.

While I'm writing this around noon, a girl who promised to message me as soon as she woke up still hasn't done so. For her to come at 2pm right after lunch I need to pop the Sildenafil at 12:45, a quarter of an hour before I have lunch. If I take the stuff after lunch it will not work.

Such predicaments can make repeating with a girl attractive compared to struggling to lure in a new one. Repeat girls are usually reliable.[/QUOTE]Dissolve it under your tongue. It hits you much faster.

[QUOTE=XXL;2455187]With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.[/QUOTE]

Good point, I can no longer just pick up a chick and shag her immediately, need to plan for that 40 minute minimum head-start before V kicks in.

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2455199]Good point, I can no longer just pick up a chick and shag her immediately, need to plan for that 40 minute minimum head-start before V kicks in.

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.[/QUOTE]Have you tried Kamagra gel. It is faster.

I see lots of videos on Youtube with Russian girls standing on walking streets trying to lure guys into the bars.

Are these Russian women scams or can you bar fine them?

If they are for short time sessions, are they more than the Thai girls and how much?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454856]So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.[/QUOTE]Many many years ago in my cruising days I picked up a dreadlocked woman in Queens, NYC. She gave me what must have been the best head I ever received. Come to think of it she did look something like Whoopi Goldberg.

1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455225]1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Yep, that is how I found the new Mexican restaurant called Senor Taco, and suggested to you. While I was waiting for my order of baby back ribs at another place I did a quick cruise. I did notice a number of massage shop opening even on Soi Pothole one of my favorites is AG which before they closed had a number of young cuties but the one that usually attends to my needs was still gone.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2455200]Have you tried Kamagra gel. It is faster.[/QUOTE]The gel really gives me indigestion.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2455199]

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.[/QUOTE]There is no standard latency after a meal. It depends on how long your stomach keeps food sloshing around and that can be longer than you think. When I go swimming my stomach rewards me with all the burping it can generate. Sometimes I would hit the water and I would start burping my breakfast or lunch that ended 3-4 hours before and which I thought would be long gone. No heart burn, no feeling of heavy digestion, but all the same part of the food was still there.

I plan so as to take V before a meal. Obviously this involves planning the sex for right after the meal. I have noticed taking it very close to a meal, as close as 10 minutes, was ok as long as it was BEFORE the meal.

I don't believe much of the gel enters your system through the mucosa. I have tried mouthing a whole 100 MG dose for as long as I could before spitting it out (instead of gulping it down). For what I could tell no more than 10% of the stuff got into my bloodstream. If sublingual sildenafil really worked that well, wouldn't some patented brand be on the market? Just asking. There are only a few half-assed research papers on the administration of sildenafil through the mucosa.

Of course if you chew on the awful-tasting V tablet you probably win some 5 or 10 minutes it would take the stomach to dissolve it when swallowed whole.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454516]If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you are calling these girls? They are clearly not, hence why in the 1st picture he has his hand over his bulge, maybe drinking a little less will have you choosing more carefully.

Have to agree that the girls that are actually girls in Pattaya are far cuter than anything that is on offer in Angeles city.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454856]So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.[/QUOTE]Just because a male has a sex change does not make him female, his DNA will always be male, therefore one would be fucking a male, end of story.

As I previously said to your good self if you enjoy such then all power to you but please stop trying to pass off males for females, anyways you should be adhering to social distancing not constantly on this board bragging of your conquest, due to your inability to follow the law you are putting other peoples lives in danger.

[QUOTE=XXL;2455187]With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.[/QUOTE]My experience with Sildenafil is similar, but I think the particulars vary for different people, here are my personal observations.

* Must take on empty stomach. 2 hours after a full meal is too soon. When taken on full stomach the effectiveness is delayed and lessened, maybe eliminated.

* It still works well if I take it only 10 minutes before a meal.

* Kick in for me is at about 60 minutes and maximum effectiveness is about 2 to 4 hours. I realize this is much longer delay for me than what other people report.

* Effect for me lingers to 24 hours. Not strong beyond the 12 hour mark. This is longer for me than many people report.

* I can't chew or melt under tongue, the taste is too terrible.

* Mexican and USA available generic Sildenafil works the same for me as real Viagra. I've had problems with Kamagra gel, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, often gives worse headache than Viagra. I think Kamagra has quality control problems.

On a related note, Cialis works for me, but the nasty side effects last too long so I don't use it. I've tried Levitra a few times and it simply didn't work for me.

Getting old sucks, but it sure beats the alternative.

Everybody has different health conditions and therefor will have slightly different experiences in using these drugs. That's why we should all experiment with each medication both in quantity and timing to see what works best for us individually. And this initial sampling should probably be done under your Doctor's supervision or at least with his knowledge.

After sampling Cialis and Viagra I found that I preferred Vitamin V (Sildenafil) despite it's short time limitations because it always got me rock hard. I found that after 18 months use Cialis was not always as reliable as it was in the beginning when I 1st started using it. But that is just my experience.

I have now been using Viagra &/or Sildenafil (generic) bought over the counter in BKK, Jakarta, MNL pharmacies and in the USA with a prescription for approximately 4 years now. Viagra USA and the scripted American generic seems to work best for me, but the difference is very minor. The American generic scripted medication is now the cheapest.

Regardless of whether I take a sexual enhancement or not, I prefer sex on an empty stomach because I have more energy. Eating slows me down and I get lazy on a full stomach. So I always tell my girls, 1st we boom boom and then we eat.

On an empty stomach Sildenafil starts to work for me in as little as 20 minutes. I feel that little tingle around the eyes and I know I am getting off. LOL.

I always take 2 Tylenol 500 MG tablets with the Sildenafil to avoid any unpleasant headaches that might otherwise occur. I never had any bad side effects with Cialis, but like I said, I consider Sildenafil the better, more dependable product.

Like HorseTrader, I find that the effects of Vitamin V can last up to 24 hours. My doctor told me that this indicates I have a mild case of erectile dysfunction. Anyway. it is very good to know that I will still have power in the morning when I have a girl spend the night at my place. On those nights I will take 100mg dose just to be sure. But on those days when I am planning on doing a 2 fer ie have a girl in the afternoon and then another girl in the evening, I will take half a pill (50 MG) 20 minutes before I meet up with the afternoon girl and half a pill (50 MG) later in the evening right before I walk into a Go Go, bar or club. I have never had a problem either way.

Lastly, I usually like to have a shot or two of Tequila with my girl if she is up to it. If she is not - no problem, but I never indulge in booze solo. I can't say I ever experienced having any negative effects performance wise from vitamin V while having 4 or even 5 or 6 shots of Tequila apart from getting a little sloppy & wild, but since my girls are in the same state whenever this happens, it always been a lot of fun. hehehe.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2455312]Getting old sucks, but it sure beats the alternative.[/QUOTE]Amen to that, Brother!

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455246]Not sure why you are calling these girls? They are clearly not, hence why in the 1st picture he has his hand over his bulge, maybe drinking a little less will have you choosing more carefully.

Have to agree that the girls that are actually girls in Pattaya are far cuter than anything that is on offer in Angeles city.[/QUOTE]Somebody who honestly think they "clearly" see a bulge, needs to get those eyes checked because that could be the reason why they have been selecting the poor quality chicks all along. I guess by their intuitive rationale and expertise, it's the same reason she has the purse over her crotch in the other pic. She must be covering up something. You can always contact Brian and the Nightwish Group and ask them why are they employing "ladyboys" at Nature Bar on Soi 6? The pic is from them, not me. But do us all a favor and save yourself and me, the embarrassment because I think that group does advertise on this forum. And by the way, I don't drink at all. It's bad for weight gain. I keep my BMI at a very healthy 22.2. Any other questions before you go back to the Angeles City forum?

So I frequent Walking Street GoGo bars a lot. But normally it's just the real popular bars. I've never heard of Dolls. Anybody can tell me about this chick I connected with on ThaiFriendly? She wants 3.000 for short time. Which means I have to skip a day of fun because my budget is only 2500 a day, in order to pay her what she wants. Big change from dropping 15-30,000 baht a day from a few years ago. But I'm trying hard to fit in with the people during these harsh times. They struggle, I sorta struggle. Anyways, hopefully a few for the same tastes as me and has the 411 on her before I commit to 3,000.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455251]Just because a male has a sex change does not make him female, his DNA will always be male, therefore one would be fucking a male, end of story.[/QUOTE]That is what I said. My first priority for fucking is to do it with a person that has XX sex chromosomes; that means female. I have no desire to fuck a person with XY sex chromosomes simply because they look like a person with XX sex chromosomes due to having their hair long and makeup on, regardless of whether he has had his dick flipped outside in.

Most guys that chop their dicks off end up killing themselves anyway. Shame that they have to go that far to realize they will NEVER be a female. And 99% of them would never be able to fool someone into believing that they are female in the first place.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2455189]So after being sorta stood up by the fishy as fuck chick. I called for plan a back plan to come over off ThaiFriendly. She previously worked at Soi 6 and was paid 1500. Cute small petite. Service was on par with GFE as my back up plan spent about 45 minutes backing up on my dick, while bent face down, and ass up. When I was about to nut, I was able to pull off the condom and jizz all over her ass. She reminds me of a VN girl I used to bang before her nose job. BB and Racshack met her and her husband during TET last year I think. Remember the lion dance? Maybe one of them can confirm the similar looks. Remember I said before nose job.[/QUOTE]She is nice cute.

For the Pattaya newbies who are worried about not being able to tell the real girls from the ladyboys (males in dresses) here's some pointers to keep one safe.

Choose to stay in a slightly better hotel that has security and a 24 hour reception.

On first arrival to your hotel give a small tip to your hotel security guard or receptionist and ask them to kindly check the ID cards of all your guests as to whether they are in fact real ids, whether they are of correct age and most importantly whether they are male or female and to inform you of such before heading to the room.

Male ids will always state that the person is a male, even if sex changed the male always stays on a Thai ID card it cannot be changed to female.

I hope that helps a little bit, thanks.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455453]For the Pattaya newbies who are worried about not being able to tell the real girls from the ladyboys (males in dresses) here's some pointers to keep one safe.

Choose to stay in a slightly better hotel that has security and a 24 hour reception.

On first arrival to your hotel give a small tip to your hotel security guard or receptionist and ask them to kindly check the ID cards of all your guests as to whether they are in fact real ids, whether they are of correct age and most importantly whether they are male or female and to inform you of such before heading to the room.

Male ids will always state that the person is a male, even if sex changed the male always stays on a Thai ID card it cannot be changed to female.

I hope that helps a little bit, thanks.[/QUOTE]Thais are close knit. My hotel mgr. Was friends with the ladies during my first long term trip. I think my lady reversed it and tipped her if I brought any other ladies back. The mgr. Was not exactly ethical or concerned with my privacy.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2455389]Somebody who honestly think they "clearly" see a bulge, needs to get those eyes checked because that could be the reason why they have been selecting the poor quality chicks all along. I guess by their intuitive rationale and expertise, it's the same reason she has the purse over her crotch in the other pic. She must be covering up something. You can always contact Brian and the Nightwish Group and ask them why are they employing "ladyboys" at Nature Bar on Soi 6? The pic is from them, not me. But do us all a favor and save yourself and me, the embarrassment because I think that group does advertise on this forum. And by the way, I don't drink at all. It's bad for weight gain. I keep my BMI at a very healthy 22.2. Any other questions before you go back to the Angeles City forum?[/QUOTE]Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.

Maybe reading what I actually said about hand covering the crotch as not to show before claiming one should have their eyes checked.

You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455453]For the Pattaya newbies who are worried about not being able to tell the real girls from the ladyboys (males in dresses) here's some pointers to keep one safe.

...On first arrival to your hotel give a small tip to your hotel security guard or receptionist and ask them to kindly check the ID cards of all your guests as to whether they are in fact real ids, whether they are of correct age and most importantly whether they are male or female and to inform you of such before heading to the room...[/QUOTE]Very good advice. I have done that in the past on occasions, even though I am extra careful in ensuring that the chick I am with is a female. Thanks.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455335]Everybody has different health conditions and therefor will have slightly different experiences in using these drugs. That's why we should all experiment with each medication both in quantity and timing to see what works best for us individually. And this initial sampling should probably be done under your Doctor's supervision or at least with his knowledge.

After sampling Cialis and Viagra I found that I preferred Vitamin V (Sildenafil) despite it's short time limitations because it always got me rock hard. I found that after 18 months use Cialis was not always as reliable as it was in the beginning when I 1st started using it. But that is just my experience.

I have now been using Viagra &/or Sildenafil (generic) bought over the counter in BKK, Jakarta, MNL pharmacies and in the USA with a prescription for approximately 4 years now. Viagra USA and the scripted American generic seems to work best for me, but the difference is very minor. The American generic scripted medication is now the cheapest.

Regardless of whether I take a sexual enhancement or not, I prefer sex on an empty stomach because I have more energy. Eating slows me down and I get lazy on a full stomach. So I always tell my girls, 1st we boom boom and then we eat.

On an empty stomach Sildenafil starts to work for me in as little as 20 minutes. I feel that little tingle around the eyes and I know I am getting off. LOL..[/QUOTE]Generic 100 MG Viagra is as cheap as 40 cents per pill here in the South East USA. I find if I don't end up fucking after I take one, I get a giant headache. I don't need the 100 mgs, but the nice part about them is I can blow a load and stay hard and keep fucking. Have never been able to do that before, but this shit is a miracle drug. Plus, I love the look on the girls face when you blow a load and then keep going to give them another.

My problem here is that Whiskey Dick is a very very real thing. No idea, but even a single shot of whiskey just makes the commander not want to go to battle. When I'm on the prowl, I stick with beer and vodka, or if the girl is drinking it, Tequila. I love when girls want shots, it's a nice fine line getting with girls who are a little tipsy.

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[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455518]Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.

Maybe reading what I actually said about hand covering the crotch as not to show before claiming one should have their eyes checked.

You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.[/QUOTE]Come on? This isn't fact it is just your opinion! I don't need to defend M. P. I think from his posting he can do it himself. When it comes to Brian, ever consider he is a closet homo reason he doesn't care to check would that be consider fact?

Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell. I think she looks pretty top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. Now I wouldn't stake my life on one small pic, pics can deceive, but unless you have contrary personal knowledge of her, I suggest you let it go. MP says she is a girl girl and I am assuming he does have personal knowledge, so there is really not much more to say; he likes the way the girl looks, you don't and tastes vary. But if you want to go to Soi 6 and conduct your own research, go for it. I will look forward to reading your report.

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455518]You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.[/QUOTE]Give us a break.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2455645]Come on? This isn't fact it is just your opinion! I don't need to defend M. P. I think from his posting he can do it himself. When it comes to Brian, ever consider he is a closet homo reason he doesn't care to check would that be consider fact?[/QUOTE]Why are you so sure that my comments are not facts, why are you so sure that I do not actually know some of the males MP has chosen to try to pass off as girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455652]Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell and I think she looks top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. Now I wouldn't stake my life on one small pic, pics can deceive, but unless you have personal knowledge of her, I suggest you let it go. MP says she is a girl girl and I am assuming he does have personal knowledge, so there is really not much more to say; he liked the way the girl looks, you don't ... tastes vary. But if you want to go to Soi 6 and conduct your own research, go for it.

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.[/QUOTE]What does getting a blow job or fucking have to do with proof of sexuality?

Ever heard of a male having a sex change? So very possible to have sex with a male that has a pussy would you not say?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455588]Very good advice. I have done that in the past on occasions, even though I am extra careful in ensuring that the chick I am with is a female. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is no need to tip anyone. The person you tip may not be the person who is on duty. If you are not sure, just call the receptionist to check the gender while the girl is in the shower.

Most of them are tall by Thai male standard. Some models in the commercial are close to 6 ft tall. You simply don't see many Thai females that size. If you are not sure you need to get up and close to get a feel, it is hard to miss. If you go to a mixed bar, if the girl is too pretty, tall, and too easy, it is likely the girls is not a she.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455652]Honestly, I don't see the tell.[/QUOTE]I think the tell according to Napa is the way she position her hand to hide the "bulge". I don't think about checking that. That is way underestimating their ability. Any reasonable monger will not post so many female pictures knowing they are not. It just does not make common sense.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2455692]There is no need to tip anyone. The person you tip may not be the person who is on duty. If you are not sure, just call the receptionist to check the gender while the girl is in the shower.[/QUOTE]You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455713]You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.[/QUOTE]Because the post-op usually will not admit it.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2455716]Because the post-op usually will not admit it.[/QUOTE]But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455724]But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?[/QUOTE]Agreed, seeing ID is the best way. If "girl" don't show it, no need to ask her to come. I can see use of paying hotel guy approach too, but not so affecting as previous one. But checking it while the person in question is in shower is weird. Also LBs are known to be aggressive and last thing I would want is him throwing a fit in room.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455713]You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.[/QUOTE]Exactly. A ladyboy will almost always tell you outright if you ask, they have little to gain and much to lose by concealing it. Ending up in a room with a physically bigger homophobic Farang flying into a rage at sight of a male appendage is not a recipe for a good time.

Moreover, what's the big deal? If you're attracted to someone, go with them and enjoy. You won't be the first guy in Pattaya who did stuff he wouldn't be too proud to announce to friends and family back home. Similarly, if you're strongly repulsed by the idea of going with a ladyboy, and you suspect the person in front of you is one, you don't need a 100% verification whether they are or not to call off the deal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455225]1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.[/QUOTE]This post got a bit flooded by the discussions on ED medication and transsexuals. How's the P4 P scene in Pattaya right now? Any young girls hanging around Beach Road of an evening? I'm planning to go there from Bangkok next week to enjoy the quiet beach but will be looking for a girl to join me in my hotel. I'm not a big fan of the online option.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455652]Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell. I think she looks pretty top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. SNIP

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.[/QUOTE]First off, I like to give a nice shout out to Brian and the Night Wish Group and some of his buddies I have met on this trip. I'm sure the entire city of Pattaya thanks Night Wish for all the help with the weekly food donation for the needy. I really want to thank that group for their selection of girls and their availability to me on this trip and we are still going. Most definitely, most of the best lookers on Soi 6, as some of them can rival some of the girls on Walking Street. And asides from perhaps BB, I'm sure nobody else on here knows Walking Street GoGo bars like I do. And nobody knows quality girls like myself, especially since I was the one who fucked her. If anybody is confused feel free to message the Night Wish Group on the Facebook and ask.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2455518]Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.
SNIP[/QUOTE]Not sure what the heck, this NapaSlapper dude is talking about when he is referring to Pam from Nature Bar as being a ladyboy and that Night Wish employs ladyboys and post-ops. Come on dude, let it out. We are here for you to lean on man. Just like what they are protesting for around the world. Solidarity!

[QUOTE=*****man;2455756]How's the P4 P scene in Pattaya right now? Any young girls hanging around Beach Road of an evening? I'm planning to go there from Bangkok next week to enjoy the quiet beach but will be looking for a girl to join me in my hotel. I'm not a big fan of the online option.[/QUOTE]Asking the key questions.

I'm planning a trip down to Pattaya as well, but not before the curfew is removed. Pattaya makes no sense at all if you need to be tucked in bed by 11 pm. In normal times, Beach Road doesn't get going properly before 8 pm and if they all need to start going home at 10 pm, that leaves a ridiculously small window. Once upon a time, there was some afternoon action, but that has been gone for several years now.

From what I've seen so far online, the scene doesn't seem too lively. One way to judge is to look through recent Pattaya videos on YouTube, and they don't seem encouraging at all. Even before the lockdown, pickings on Beach Road were dire, and I doubt many girls would return before the tourists do, but I might be wrong.

Seems like I'll have to fall back on tfmi. Wtf and ThaiFriendly, although I'm no fan of trawling for girls online either. I'm not hoping for much except a walk by the see and the nostalgia of admiring the ruins of what once was a great mongering city.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455724]But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?[/QUOTE]I agree with you. There are still rare occasions this may be useful. You call when it is the 1% that you are not sure about. I think you have said 99% of the time you can tell, that leaves us the 1%. Sometimes it is after you are in the room, you think it is too easy so you start to have question. Calling the receptionist discretely to confirm is the easier method. It takes less than a minute. You are not calling the receptionist to check every one of them.

One more thinig to contribute here that I didn't see posted anywhere, forgive me if I repeating information. All of these medications operate as vasal constrictors so the offset to that is actually something like pseudoephedrine. Unfortunately that is not available in many countries over the counter like thailand due to all the misuse so you would have to bring it with you. I have had sinus issues and am a scuba diver so I always travel with some and have found that it is effective after the act to keep the headaches and stuff nose at bay. Some countries have it mixed with ibuprofen or tylenol which would be the best solution.

Also I was a kamigra user but my buddy converted me to sildenafil which is my go to now. More reliable, less side effects. However if you going multiple times a day every day anything can loose efficiency. So taking 100's split into halves or thirds, and then if just need a little boost 1/4 of a kamigra to change up the chemistry. But always at least 4-8 hours between dosages of anything.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2455615]Generic 100 MG Viagra is as cheap as 40 cents per pill here in the South East USA. I find if I don't end up fucking after I take one, I get a giant headache. I don't need the 100 mgs, but the nice part about them is I can blow a load and stay hard and keep fucking. Have never been able to do that before, but this shit is a miracle drug. Plus, I love the look on the girls face when you blow a load and then keep going to give them another.

My problem here is that Whiskey Dick is a very very real thing. No idea, but even a single shot of whiskey just makes the commander not want to go to battle. When I'm on the prowl, I stick with beer and vodka, or if the girl is drinking it, Tequila. I love when girls want shots, it's a nice fine line getting with girls who are a little tipsy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2455818]Sometimes it is after you are in the room, you think it is too easy so you start to have question. Calling the receptionist discretely to confirm is the easier method.[/QUOTE]What is too easy? You made a deal with a hooker before you went to the room, but once you got in the room you anticipate that she is supposed to play hard to get? And if she doesn't, then she may be a man?

Again, you could have asked to see the ID card a long time ago avoiding any suspicion or anxiety. It is okay to ask them about sucking your dick and fucking them in the ass and finishing in their mouth, but you need to be discreet and involve a third party to assure you it is not a man you are about to fuck, instead of looking at the ID yourself when you picked them up? That makes no sense. Now you have the entire hotel staff giggling behind your back for the rest of the stay because you thought a man was a woman.

And once again, what is your move when the receptionist informs you that it is indeed a man?

Once again, if a punter has even a 1% intuition that the girl might be a dude then something ain't right. It doesn't matter if the girl turns out to be a girl or something else. Pass. There are literally 100's of girl girls waiting in line to take her place that won't trigger that 1% something is fishy feeling. Trust your instincts.

Of course, you can always ask. DUH! A girl girl will laugh and say why you ask. A LB will admit she is a ladyboy. And a Postie will say she is a girl, but she won't laugh like a real girl because she won't find the question funny. Ha Ha. And if you are still nervous about the hooker you can ask to see her ID. Just say I want to make sure you are over 18. But I will say it on more time; if you are that worried about the hooker being a LB, then what the fuck are you doing with her in the first place? You should have immediately passed on the opportunity unless you have a thing for androgynous, borderline girls or you really want a LB but are afraid to admit that to yourself.

Hey, Thailand is all about having a good time. I like the place because you can pretty much have your cake and eat it too. Trust me, LB's are not a problem for most of us, but they are part of the scenery. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455838]Once again, if a punter has even a 1% intuition that the girl might be a dude then something ain't right. It doesn't matter if the girl turns out to be a girl or something else. Pass. There are literally 100's of girl girls waiting in line to take her place that won't trigger that 1% something is fishy feeling. Trust your instincts...[/QUOTE]Except in the case when a punter falls for the subject, girl or LB. We all have met a stunningly beautiful girl, who turned out to be LB. I met one in Makati not long ago, and I was saddened that such a beauty would be an LB. When I asked whether she was an LB, the response was that I would get the best service from an LB. I passed.

I was not so lucky in Pattaya. I ended up picking up a post op girl. It was not until I started pumping her in my hotel room, that I realized something was amiss. It felt like I was banging an artificial doll.

You guys do realize that every LB has numerous hot girl friends on the game, right?

Option 1 is to lose your shitt and have a huge arguement.

Option 2 is to politely decline, say it not your thing, then ask if she has any pretty friends who would like a night of fun.

I'm not condoning LBs' deception but what happened after a monger finds the truth early on can still end in a good night if handled smartly.

Enjoy. G.

Trying to add to my stable and line up girls one by one. So far I have about 7 girls who I'm impressed with bodies, faces, and service that I haven't quite shared them with ISG just yet. That's until I get bored of fucking them. The rest, I honestly don't care and the become Monkeypaw scraps. So yes, the best are still inside my pockets. So here's three more second hand goods. I call them the crazy girls. One wants 3000 baht and a sugar daddy. One wants condom everything even BJ and HJ for 1800. The other won't give you a pricing until you add her by LINE for a deep convo, video, and then it was 2000. All are within my budget.

(maybe not the 3000 but she's not worth it to me or trust me, I'll not eat for a day), but not worth the trouble for me. Maybe, some of you can get better results for a cheaper price and let us know about it. If I don't hear from you back, then I guessing you got a worse response or none at all. So take your best shot at these three crazies and give me the 411 on what I'm doing wrong?

P.S. Hey look her hand is near her crotch in the pic, so she must be hiding something.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455901]I was not so lucky in Pattaya. I ended up picking up a post op girl. It was not until I started pumping her in my hotel room, that I realized something was amiss. It felt like I was banging an artificial doll.[/QUOTE]So you didn't have any clue about the girl until your dick was in her "vagina" ? Yikes!, But let me ask you a question: then how did you finally discover her vagina was man made and not just super cavernous?

I once went out with a girl with a super large vagina. Fucking her was like sticking my dick in Carlsbad Cavern. There was no feeling / no friction of any kind. So the relationship was doomed from the start and I only went out with her 3 times, but I will never forget our last night together: I began to finger her, one finger, 2 fingers and then 3 fingers. She was very wet and her body language seemed to be asking for more. It also appeared to me like there was still plenty of room in there, so I slowly inserted my whole hand until it was completely inside her vagina and she went wild. Now the amazing part of this story is that I was a very young man back then and I absolutely had no friggin' idea what I was doing. I had never heard of the term "fisting" or even thought about the possibility. It was all a complete adlib on my part, yet somehow I instinctively found my way. After the girl had a very physical orgasm, she moved down on my dick and gave me the best BJ I had ever had up to that point.

My experience with an extra large cavernous pussy reminds me of the story about Sonny Corleone and his girlfriend in the Mario Puzo's original novel, "the Godfather", not the movie. In the book Sonny had a super large cock and a monstrous appetite for women, ha ha, and his girlfriend had a super large pussy no other guy could fill, again ha ha, so he and his girlfriend were made for each other. But after Sonny is gun downed, the girlfriend can't find another man who she can satisfy or who can satisfy her until she meets a gynecologist who understands exactly what the problem is and he arranges to have her vagina surgically tightened. All I am saying is if your post op LB managed to get past your LB radar without detection, how do you now know she is a dude and not some girl with a super large pussy?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2455911]Trying to add to my stable and line up girls one by one. So far I have about 7 girls who I'm impressed with bodies, faces, and service that I haven't quite shared them with ISG just yet. That's until I get bored of fucking them. The rest, I honestly don't care and the become Monkeypaw scraps. So yes, the best are still inside my pockets. So here's three more second hand goods. I call them the crazy girls. One wants 3000 baht and a sugar daddy. One wants condom everything even BJ and HJ for 1800. The other won't give you a pricing until you add her by LINE for a deep convo, video, and then it was 2000. All are within my budget.

(maybe not the 3000 but she's not worth it to me or trust me, I'll not eat for a day), but not worth the trouble for me. Maybe, some of you can get better results for a cheaper price and let us know about it. If I don't hear from you back, then I guessing you got a worse response or none at all. So take your best shot at these three crazies and give me the 411 on what I'm doing wrong?

P.S. Hey look her hand is near her crotch in the pic, so she must be hiding something.[/QUOTE]I saw Wiky in Jan in bkk I think in a bar. 2000ST she asked. She is just okay in bed. Plus in real she doesn't looked as good to me as her pics on TF. But it's subjective. 3000 for ST in Pattaya is crazy for her, I would advice sticking to 1500. She won't give anything extra which any other girl can't give for same 1500.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455957]

I once went out with a girl with a super large vagina.[/QUOTE]Did she have a big mouth? I have kinda noticed a correlation between mouth size and vagina size. Women who have small mouths are usually tight and women with big mouths are a little loser. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2455903]You guys do realize that every LB has numerous hot girl friends on the game, right?

Option 1 is to lose your shitt and have a huge arguement.

Option 2 is to politely decline, say it not your thing, then ask if she has any pretty friends who would like a night of fun.

I'm not condoning LBs' deception but what happened after a monger finds the truth early on can still end in a good night if handled smartly.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I never noticed this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455826]What is too easy? You made a deal with a hooker before you went to the room, but once you got in the room you anticipate that she is supposed to play hard to get? And if she doesn't, then she may be a man? [/QUOTE]It is more about her behavior than anything else.

I saw a very attractive girl chatting with a group of friends on the street outside of my hotel. I was pretty sure they are all females. She gave me a price, then she said she would do everything but what sticked to me was she followed up with "it's very cheap". Usually a pretty girl in Bangkok don't behave this way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455826] but once you got in the room you anticipate that she is supposed to play hard to get? And if she doesn't, then she may be a man? [/QUOTE]No, in the room, I was waiting for her to finish shower and have nothing to do so I decided to call receptionist to check. I was surprised that she got a male ID.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455826]Again, you could have asked to see the ID card a long time ago avoiding any suspicion or anxiety.
[/QUOTE]I don't have suspicion at the time. If I thought I need to check ID, then I probably would not approach her. She looked normal, petite like all her friends, not much makeup. I think I was more excited than anything else, haha. I am just armature and cannot be compared to a major leaguer like you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455826]Now you have the entire hotel staff giggling behind your back for the rest of the stay because you thought a man was a woman.
[/QUOTE]That does not really say anything about me. I think it said something about them. The hotel staff should be used to this if they work in this business, I don't think it matters. Some receptionists in some hotel are LBs too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2455826]
And once again, what is your move when the receptionist informs you that it is indeed a man?[/QUOTE]I checked her pussy when she got out of the shower, hehe. I still could not tell even when she is completely naked in front of me. Her explanation was she was under 18 so she borrowed ID from her friend. I don't remember her reply on why she would borrowed a male ID. After, she put on her cloth and left upset like a female, the voice pitch, expression and gesture were completely normal like a female.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2456044]Did she have a big mouth? I have kinda noticed a correlation between mouth size and vagina size. Women who have small mouths are usually tight and women with big mouths are a little loser. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this?[/QUOTE]No correlation between a female with a large mouth and a big or loose pussy in my experience. Puffy lips can often bode well for her vagina being cushy and enveloping though.

But regarding the unfortunate cavernous pussy, I have never tried one (well, unless the LB was so convincing I did not realize it), but wouldn't a surgically manufactured "pussy" more likely be too shallow and probably dry rather than cavernous?

Not that a LB has a "pussy." He never will have one. A post-op LB can only have some remaining penis or scrotum skin and tissue tucked into the area for his partner to rub against.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2456092]I checked her pussy when she got out of the shower, hehe. I still could not tell even when she is completely naked in front of me. Her explanation was she was under 18 so she borrowed ID from her friend. [/QUOTE]LOL. So now not only are you about to fuck a dude, but you are going to jail because he is under 18!

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2456044]Did she have a big mouth? I have kinda noticed a correlation between mouth size and vagina size. Women who have small mouths are usually tight and women with big mouths are a little loser. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this?[/QUOTE]Mmmmmm. Interesting.

Perhaps we could do a study on this and post on The Lancet.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2456036]I saw Wiky in Jan in bkk I think in a bar. 2000ST she asked. She is just okay in bed. Plus in real she doesn't looked as good to me as her pics on TF. But it's subjective. 3000 for ST in Pattaya is crazy for her, I would advice sticking to 1500. She won't give anything extra which any other girl can't give for same 1500.[/QUOTE]Yep, she seems no more than a 1500 baht girl to me, though my budget allowed to me to have her. At 3000. If she can get away with 3000 baht for ST in Pattaya during these times, good for her. I've learn my lesson with chicks who start with a high price and you have to negotiate down. Usually, the experience is not what you'd expect. There was a older girl, I saw when I first got here on Beach Road. She stood out because she was never standing in one spot, she was always walking around with her friend. Both had huge fake tits. Most days they are at Tree Town sitting on a mat eating dinner. Both girls always smiled at me when I took my daily stroll in the evening on the Beach. Finally one day I hit her up and she started at 3000 for ST. She told me it would be "special" because she was into cosplay and dress up fantasies. I told her I wasn't Japanese. I almost bit out of curiosity, but respectfully declined. She then went down to 2500, then 2000. I just ended up taking her LINE and told her I'd get with her when I can. About a week later, I did and I met her at her condo she shared with her friend. I pretended I was a sick with COVID and she was my nurse. She couldn't act worth a fuck and only CBJ me along with lackluster sex. What a waste of 2000 baht.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456266] About a week later, I did and I met her at her condo she shared with her friend. I pretended I was a sick with COVID and she was my nurse. She couldn't act worth a fuck and only CBJ me along with lackluster sex. What a waste of 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]Role-play has been very hit-and-miss for me in Thailand. But Filipinos, well well that's a different story. I know one Filipino in bkk who can play any role. Once I just sent her a video and asked her to use it as a script. And she did just that. I guess it's because the fact that Thai girls are shy by nature, even tho they can do wild things in bed. But this thai girl I met last year in a club, she was 38 but looked 28. Had a baby but no fat or baby bump. On our second meeting, I asked her to do nurse role-play. Without going into too much details, she took care of me whole night. Role-play requires some experience and understanding of what men likes and how to seduce them.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2456092]It is more about her behavior than anything else.

I saw a very attractive girl chatting with a group of friends on the street outside of my hotel. I was pretty sure they are all females. She gave me a price, then she said she would do everything but what sticked to me was she followed up with "it's very cheap". Usually a pretty girl in Bangkok don't behave this way.

No, in the room, I was waiting for her to finish shower and have nothing to do so I decided to call receptionist to check. I was surprised that she got a male ID.

I don't have suspicion at the time. If I thought I need to check ID, then I probably would not approach her. She looked normal, petite like all her friends, not much makeup. I think I was more excited than anything else, haha. I am just armature and cannot be compared to a major leaguer like you.

That does not really say anything about me. I think it said something about them. The hotel staff should be used to this if they work in this business, I don't think it matters. Some receptionists in some hotel are LBs too.[/QUOTE]Lb's ares ometimes hard to predict. Even the post ops so if you feel very loose while banging her may be it's her p days. Often during this time the pussy is loose. But it's easy to guess sometimes looking the body and face only and voice too.

It's difficult to guess for a thick woman but easy for a lean girl. So it's shape and size matters for me.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456266]I pretended I was a sick with COVID and she was my nurse. .[/QUOTE]Yes when I see your pics I feel sick too.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2456320]Yes when I see your pics I feel sick too.[/QUOTE]My local chapter of TLM. Thai lives matter says open up. Now.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2456331]My local chapter of TLM. Thai lives matter says open up. Now.[/QUOTE]Yessssss please open these fucking borders! Or I'm going to die from a side effect of covid 19.

Somebody coughed on me in February. I got a cough, cold symptoms, and pneumonia, so I took food grade hydrogen peroxide, chloroquine, colloidal silver and mullein tea. Felt great the next day, so I'm immune and good to go.

For all those claiming just check a Thai girls ID yourself for age and gender, you do realize that unless one can read Thai then they won't have a clue as to the details as all Thai ids are obviously written in the Thai script, hence why I suggested tipping the security guard or receptionist who is able to read Thai to advise before heading to the room.

Sheesh, its like some board members have never been to Thailand to not know these simple facts.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2455696]I think the tell according to Napa is the way she position her hand to hide the "bulge". I don't think about checking that. That is way underestimating their ability. Any reasonable monger will not post so many female pictures knowing they are not. It just does not make common sense.[/QUOTE]Positioning of hands to hide the crotch area is only a very small part of what to look for, others are very tall, broad square shoulders, Adam's apples, very long arms / legs / square jaw line, big hands, big feet, deep voice and many more.

Unfortunately many on most boards can see most of these traits and still insist they are posting pictures or fucking females.

Spend enough years in Thailand and one can start to tell the difference in the sexes within a very short glance.

As far as ladyboys owning up to their sex its 50/50, some will hide the fact that they have a dick and balls in the hope they can get away with just giving a blow job with some excuse like they just started their period back at the room.

Sex change will never say they are male because in their minds having a sex change has made him into a complete her.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452611]Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!

SNIP[/QUOTE]Everybody scribbling, some no phone number, tourists not even filling out completely. So how do they track again if we are sick? Oh, only those from foreign countries have been sick when they are repatriated. I wonder how many people just live in this oblivion and believe any government. Hell, most people don't even trust their own judgement.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456470]Everybody scribbling, some no phone number, tourists not even filling out completely. So how do they track again if we are sick? Oh, only those from foreign countries have been sick when they are repatriated. I wonder how many people just live in this oblivion and believe any government. Hell, most people don't even trust their own judgement.[/QUOTE]You do realise that what one writes on the form has no relevance at all, why.

Because when one comes into the country immigration takes ones photo at the airport, apply for a Thai visa and one has to supply photos of ones self and again a digital photo is taken by immigration of one.

Ever noticed the big camera on entering any mall or the CCTV system installed, yes you guessed it, facial recognition with time stamp, the authorities know exactly who one is and when one entered regardless of what one writes.

Surely anyone who has visited Thailand for even a short visit would know these simple facts.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2456462]For all those claiming just check a Thai girls ID yourself for age and gender, you do realize that unless one can read Thai then they won't have a clue as to the details as all Thai ids are obviously written in the Thai script, hence why I suggested tipping the security guard or receptionist who is able to read Thai to advise before heading to the room.

Sheesh, its like some board members have never been to Thailand to not know these simple facts.[/QUOTE]Thai ID expires every 6 years. Since 2005, thai ID is bilingual. A Ladyboy or postop would have "Mr" on it.

And are all your posts nothing but rants?

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2456499]Thai ID expires every 6 years. Since 2005, thai ID is bilingual. A Ladyboy or postop would have "Mr" on it.[/QUOTE]Uhh yeah. To quote one of our smartest BMs, "Sheesh, its like some board members have never been to Thailand to not know these simple facts!" 2005. My first year coming to Thailand. Every ID that I have seen has been in both Thai and English with Mr or Miss before the name. Whenever I ask to see a girl's ID, I take a look at it then shout out MISTER? They always get a kick out of that.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2456462]For all those claiming just check a Thai girls ID yourself for age and gender, you do realize that unless one can read Thai then they won't have a clue as to the details as [b]all Thai ids are obviously written in the Thai script,[/b] hence why I suggested tipping the security guard or receptionist who is able to read Thai to advise before heading to the room.

Sheesh, its like some board members have never been to Thailand to not know these simple facts.[/QUOTE]Obviously! But they are also written in English as well. So who should you tip to read the English part for you? Damn dog, seems like you would have at least googled what a Thai ID card looks like from your mom's basement before you made the post.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2456485]You do realise that what one writes on the form has no relevance at all, why.

Because when one comes into the country immigration takes ones photo at the airport, apply for a Thai visa and one has to supply photos of ones self and again a digital photo is taken by immigration of one.

Ever noticed the big camera on entering any mall or the CCTV system installed, yes you guessed it, facial recognition with time stamp, the authorities know exactly who one is and when one entered regardless of what one writes.

Surely anyone who has visited Thailand for even a short visit would know these simple facts.[/QUOTE]Not always the case? You made a very good point but this is Thailand? We think or expect things here is the same as the West I can tell you it isn't. When it comes to cameras I remember a guy was killed in the States a few years back when I was visiting when they went to the cameras they found 50% of them weren't even working on the trains see at times enforcement is putting doubt in people mines that are part of enforcement thinking someone is watching that produces doubt no country has enough manpower to cover everything.

When you talk about facial recognition what you see at the airport and places in Bangkok doesn't mean every city or province has the same technology. People who live here always refer to Bangkok even Pattaya as not being part of Thailand. Outside of Bangkok, there aren't any riot squads, FBI training centers nor do they have many of the technology afforded to the Bangkok authorities it is like they are a country of their own.

Pattaya is a bit of an exception they get more funding because they are one of the top tourists' cities and belong to the Eastern economic zones thus get more funding than other provinces. When it comes to funding it is based on the number of households registered and property owners not everyone who works or live in Pattaya are registered being able to do so there are certain requirements and if you are lucky to do it you are afforded to use the hospital for example in the province of Chon Buri for 30 baht for example. When it comes to Pattaya I was told in conversation by the vice mayor 5 years ago how things work there was something like 350 people who are actually on the payroll the rest are all contracted and that pretty much includes everyone and there are thousands of workers. For example immigration, at Jomtien, you got about a dozen who are on payroll the rest are just contracted out and register population increase each department can add.

So back to facial recognition there is a much better chance of identifying a foreigner as you noted you got to go through the process at Immigration and the airport but what about for Thais. Unless they are able to travel if an outbreak is traced to a particular time at one of the shopping centers it would be very tough in my opinion to find the Thais since many aren't register nor does every city have the technology to track people down the reason the local BIB are given the ability to be judge and jury to the majority of the cases the system just isn't large enough. Some people think all the hotel taxes etc. Go to the city not true it goes into one giant pot it is distributed based on household so if you live upcountry you are going to get short change every year the reason these cities and provinces have the type of corruptions they do.

Privately the CCTV is most likely working but in the end, you need the local authority to do the work the government better allocates a lot of money to get them to move otherwise it is like before just put out a notice who was here and hope the honor system works. They have CCTV on Highway 7, the major highway to and from Bangkok last year it was reported over 1 million unpaid speeding tickets yet to be collected and growing if you open a bank account in Chiang Mai and need to close it and you live in Pattaya you need to get up and do it at the original branch. You go to many government offices upcountry they are still writing things in logs and using typewriters What you think happens or should happen is not always the case here particularly in Thailand the technological system is just not there nor linked up.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2456499]
And are all your posts nothing but rants?[/QUOTE]Yes they are. He has been flooding the Philippines forum for a long time with his BS and now he has come here unfortunately. Just ignore him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2456530]Uhh yeah. To quote one of our smartest BMs, "Sheesh, its like some board members have never been to Thailand to not know these simple facts!" 2005. My first year coming to Thailand. Every ID that I have seen has been in both Thai and English with Mr or Miss before the name. Whenever I ask to see a girl's ID, I take a look at it then shout out MISTER? They always get a kick out of that.

Obviously! But they are also written in English as well. So who should you tip to read the English part for you? Damn dog, seems like you would have at least googled what a Thai ID card looks like from your mom's basement before you made the post.[/QUOTE]I think you will find for non Thai speakers or Thai people who work overseas one can ask for their ID or driving licence to show both at the time of applying, my Thai driving licenses are like this, all Thai IDs I have seen are in the Thai script only and I have seen hundreds LOL.

Starbucks on Beach Road, near Soi Post Office. Not enough customers to pay the rent. Closed until further notice.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456718]Starbucks on Beach Road, near Soi Post Office. Not enough customers to pay the rent. Closed until further notice.[/QUOTE]Tukcom one is open.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2456469]Positioning of hands to hide the crotch area is only a very small part of what to look for, others are very tall, broad square shoulders, Adam's apples, very long arms / legs / square jaw line, big hands, big feet, deep voice and many more. SNIP.[/QUOTE]She's my top one at Thermae. Not sure how the heck she is allowed to stand at her spot if they are only supposedly allow females there. Look at those squared shoulders on her. Must be a ladyboy then. LOL.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2456812]Tukcom one is open.[/QUOTE]I guess what they are doing is "contracting. " I figured the purpose of track and trace, scanning and signing in was to more about tracking customer flow rather than COVID. One by one, these businesses will shut down like dominos falling.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2456469]Positioning of hands to hide the crotch area is only a very small part of what to look for, others are very tall, broad square shoulders, Adam's apples, very long arms / legs / square jaw line, big hands, big feet, deep voice and many more. SNIP.[/QUOTE]More broad and square shoulder ladyboys that I guess have fooled the entire world in thinking they were females. But I guess they can't fool some of us.

The expression he who laughs last, laughs best is a saying that means the final winner will have more glory than someone who was winning in the beginning but ultimately lost.

Not sure why 70% of the time they bleed on my dick.

New ones open, while old ones meet their end. Many hotels like LK Metro and other businesses like jewelry store, massage shops, and other nic nacs shops have their employees sell food to make ends meat. When your business isn't doing well, selling food is the last option of you can't sell the body. What that does is overflows the quickie meals market. That means it puts those who have depended on food carts and food stalls as a way of making a living and survival their entire lives in a competition with these businesses that normally don't sell 20-40 baht meals.

Advertising 200 baht for 2 large 12" pizza (11 choices) from 14:00-22:00. I ordered the margherita and seafood pizzas (don't eat meat when have other viable options). Thin crust, pizza could have stayed in oven a bit longer. Toppings warm but not hot. But still not bad for 100 baht each. Dine one and take away one is available. Not sure if take out is same price. Delivery is available but you have to pay for the motorbike.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456820]More broad and square shoulder ladyboys that I guess have fooled the entire world in thinking they were females. But I guess they can't fool some of us.[/QUOTE]The third pic is Jessica Biel who is married to Justin Timberlake. I've often wondered if Timberlake knows he is married to a ladyboy.

P.S. Good to see the Teddy Bear is back.

[QUOTE=Allover;2457064]The third pic is Jessica Biel who is married to Justin Timberlake. I've often wondered if Timberlake knows he is married to a ladyboy.

P.S. Good to see the Teddy Bear is back.[/QUOTE]Same with Kendall Jenner and Megan Fox (also Adam's apple) plus broad shoulders. I wonder why skinny girls who work out can't be a logical reason? Hey, but what do I know? Other notables with Adam's Apple are Mylie Cyrus, Halle Berry, and Paris Hilton plus a shit load of others. I guess, we have been fooled. I am so embarrassed. Should have listened to our experts. Anyways, the teddy bear is just trying to reach its magic number before it all gets shutdown here.

They are beginning change out the bricks on the sidewalk of the beach side of Beach Road. It's looking blue. Like I said before, my favorite color. Solidarity hanging message. Thanks dad.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456883]New ones open, while old ones meet their end. Many hotels like LK Metro and other businesses like jewelry store, massage shops, and other nic nacs shops have their employees sell food to make ends meat. When your business isn't doing well, selling food is the last option of you can't sell the body. What that does is overflows the quickie meals market. That means it puts those who have depended on food carts and food stalls as a way of making a living and survival their entire lives in a competition with these businesses that normally don't sell 20-40 baht meals.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I don't care about the restaurants but enjoyed zooming in on your camera roll. 😉.

Keep teddy safe.

G.

I wanted to go easy on my stash of Sagamis L-size since BOOTS in Pattaya have not been restocking them since the lockdown started.

The plan was to go bareback every other day. My all-time Pattaya favourite declined, which pissed me off somewhat. I fell down on a cheaper, less good-looking girl who accepted provided I added 200 on top of her usual 1000.

The first barebacking was only 6 days ago and today I'm back from BHP hospital with a diagnosis of gonorrhoea (always have to call the spellchecker on that word). One shot in the buttock and a fourfold dose or oral azithromycin. I had done this girl covered many times before going bareback with her, including DATY, which warrants the conclusion that condoms are good protection and that oral contamination is negligible.

Lesson 1 : never assume a girl will go bareback with you no matter how long-standing and solid your relationship with her.

Lesson 2 : bareback promiscuity in this environment is a shitty hobby.

[QUOTE=XXL;2457118]SNIP

I had done this girl covered many times before going bareback with her, including DATY, which warrants the conclusion that condoms are good protection and that oral contamination is negligible.

Lesson 1 : never assume a girl will go bareback with you no matter how long-standing and solid your relationship with her.

Lesson 2 : bareback promiscuity in this environment is a shitty hobby.[/QUOTE]Thank you XXL. What I've been saying all along. Dudes who encourage others to go bareback on hookers that fuck 500-1000 guys a year are as mental as the girls doing it. They act like BBFS is something so special in P4P. Reserved for the experts. What's more difficult to do? Getting BBFS in Thailand or resisting a girl who tells you "it's okay" to fuck her without a condom? I guarantee you it's the latter. If you can control that and say "no," you are one of the top dogs at this P4 P game. My ritual: BBBJ, 69 (inspecting), DATY, CFS with CIM or cum in condom. Thanks for keeping it real in Fantasy Island.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2457090]Thanks. I don't care about the restaurants but enjoyed zooming in on your camera roll. 😉.
G.[/QUOTE]555, me too.

[QUOTE=XXL;2457118]gonorrhoea (always have to call the spellchecker on that word)[/QUOTE]Haha you still misspelled it. Did you notice any Odor coming form her vagina? Bad smell can be a sign of bacterial infection, not foolproof but a sign to stay away.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453494]Wrote this last night, and this article came out this morning. I think I hit the nail if the head. Others on here too, have mentioned this was the strategy all along for the Thais because if their "blame the farrangs" mentality. Especially, coming out of the Health Minister's mouth. China used to be #1 and have dropped to #14 with regards to COVID-19 and probably even further as time keeps passing by. Plus a nice clause would perhaps just limit those in Wuhan from travel and not the rest of China. SNIP

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/thailand-looking-at-quarantine-waiver-for-selected-tourists/[/URL][/QUOTE]Wrote that May 25th, and then this article comes out June 9th. Somebody is really good at peeping out the future. If I told you somebody predicted all this plague, uprising, and drama with the world 6-7 months even before the first case of COVID, what would you say?

"It doesn't have to be an entire country. We can allow visitors from towns or provinces which are free from the coronavirus. Travel restrictions will be gradually eased," he was quoted as saying in Bangkok Post."

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/news/national/thailand-news-today-tuesday-june-9[/URL]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456883]New ones open, while old ones meet their end. .[/QUOTE]Oooooh FritKot ! The best place I buy french fries in Pattaya ! Is the shop closed now ? Definitely ?

If FritKot is closed i don't go back to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456837]

Not sure why 70% of the time they bleed on my dick.[/QUOTE]lol its one of the reason I prefer fuck in massage shop and not in my bed.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457183]Oooooh FritKot ! The best place I buy french fries in Pattaya .........[/QUOTE]Damn subliminal advertising. I now have a huge craving for french fries. Time to shut down this laptop and venture out.

[QUOTE=XXL;2457118]I wanted to go easy on my stash of Sagamis L-size since BOOTS in Pattaya have not been restocking them since the lockdown started.

The plan was to go bareback every other day. My all-time Pattaya favourite declined, which pissed me off somewhat. I fell down on a cheaper, less good-looking girl who accepted provided I added 200 on top of her usual 1000.

The first barebacking was only 6 days ago and today I'm back from BHP hospital with a diagnosis of gonorrhoea (always have to call the spellchecker on that word). One shot in the buttock and a fourfold dose or oral azithromycin. I had done this girl covered many times before going bareback with her, including DATY, which warrants the conclusion that condoms are good protection and that oral contamination is negligible.

Lesson 1 : never assume a girl will go bareback with you no matter how long-standing and solid your relationship with her.

Lesson 2 : bareback promiscuity in this environment is a shitty hobby.[/QUOTE]Regarding lesson 1. We are and always will be customers. We are not their boyfriend's.

Wake up and smell the Corona.

If you like Drama they will give all you want.

Please use condoms.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2457137]Thank you XXL. What I've been saying all along. Dudes who encourage others to go bareback on hookers that fuck 500-1000 guys a year are as mental as the girls doing it. They act like BBFS is something so special in P4P. Reserved for the experts. What's more difficult to do? Getting BBFS in Thailand or resisting a girl who tells you "it's okay" to fuck her without a condom? I guarantee you it's the latter. If you can control that and say "no," you are one of the top dogs at this P4 P game. My ritual: BBBJ, 69 (inspecting), DATY, CFS with CIM or cum in condom. Thanks for keeping it real in Fantasy Island.[/QUOTE]Though I have never done BBFS with any hooker, ever, I get it why some prefer BBFS, some I guess just can't come with condom. But recommending it like some elite act is indeed absurd. It's just a big risk for guy, and for woman too if she's not on pills or taking precautions. No wonder Thailand has so many single moms. For someone who is thinking to go bareback sex by reading posts here, do it at your own risk.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2457221]Though I have never done BBFS with any hooker, ever, I get it why some prefer BBFS, some I guess just can't come with condom. But recommending it like some elite act is indeed absurd. It's just a big risk for guy, and for woman too if she's not on pills or taking precautions. No wonder Thailand has so many single moms. For someone who is thinking to go bareback sex by reading posts here, do it at your own risk.[/QUOTE]My take is that if they can sit there and jack themselves off with a condom on looking at porn, then they can cum with a condom during sex. It's 100% mental. Has anybody masturbated to a real steamy porn and only lasted like 15 seconds? But yet during sex can last so much longer? It's in the mind. Often, I have to fantasize that I'm some John (which I am), trying to get this dumb ass hooker pregnant by busting a nut in her pussy and then leaving her ass for the next girl. And that's how I manage to cum with a condom, aside from the gobs of 100% aloe vera gel instead of KY. Last girl I banged, condom snapped. I heard it and also felt it. She did not. It took me about 2 seconds to pull out, wash my dick, and had her suck me to a CIM finish in which she ate it all (thanks to pineapple juice). The risk is just not worth it because technically, what's the reward?

[QUOTE=XXL;2457118]

The first barebacking was only 6 days ago and today I'm back from BHP hospital with a diagnosis of gonorrhoea .[/QUOTE]8 times out of 10 when I didn't use a condom I came back with an STD. In Thailand as in the Philippines. I think I have had almost all of them except AIDS. Including labial and genital herpes.

Certainly in the meantime, between the girls, I was able to contaminate some of them myself without knowing it. Of course, from the moment I think I have been infected, I sent messages to my last partners to tell them, but I doubt that they will carry out analyzes themselves and even less that they warn their partners.

Once I even had to be hospitalized on my return in Paris, I had swelling of the joints of the feet and especially the hands, I thought it was a rheumatoid arthritis, I had to consult an emergency specialist.

And the problem is, girls can be asymptomatic, so you can't even guess that they're sick. But the disease is on the rise in men.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457260]8 times out of 10 when I didn't use a condom I came back with an STD. In Thailand as in the Philippines. [/QUOTE]I think your personal stat says more about your choice of girls and where you pick them up than the overall statistical probabilities of catching an STD in LOS or the PI. 80%, man that is REALLY HIGH! It is not even close to my 0. 00 percentage. And I would dare say I have shagged/barebacked at least as many Thai and Filipina girls as you.

You are either choosing very badly or you have amazingly bad luck. Ha Ha. I agree, you should wear a condom. And this is not a personal jab. At times I wear condoms too and at other times I don't. It depends on the girl (her physical appearance & vibe), where I found her, her attitude on the subject, and my gut instincts. For example, I can only remember barebacking one cute little SW on Burgos. But, I have barebacked many Go Go girls, BKK Soapy Massage girls, Jakarta Bordello girls, and 5 * hotel FL pick up girls. Again I don't bareback all of them, just the ones I feel comfortable doing that way.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2457262].

You are either choosing very badly or you have amazingly bad luck. Ha Ha. I agree, you should wear a condom.[/QUOTE]It is true that I do not take ugly so they must be very solicited.

Where are you going to take them? On beach road?

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457263]It is true that I do not take ugly so they must be very solicited.

Where are you going to take them? On beach road?[/QUOTE]You jest. HA! Read the additional paragraph in my edited post on where I source girls.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2456820]More broad and square shoulder ladyboys that I guess have fooled the entire world in thinking they were females. But I guess they can't fool some of us.[/QUOTE]I would like to add Courtney Cox to the list.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2457262]I think your personal stat says more about your choice of girls and where you pick them up than the overall statistical probabilities of catching an STD in LOS or the PI. 80%, man that is REALLY HIGH! It is not even close to my 0. 00 percentage. And I would dare say I have shagged/barebacked at least as many Thai and Filipina girls as you.

You are either choosing very badly or you have amazingly bad luck. Ha Ha. I agree, you should wear a condom. And this is not a personal jab. At times I wear condoms too and at other times I don't. It depends on the girl (her physical appearance & vibe), where I found her, her attitude on the subject, and my gut instincts. For example, I can only remember barebacking one cute little SW on Burgos. But, I have barebacked many Go Go girls, BKK Soapy Massage girls, Jakarta Bordello girls, and 5 * hotel FL pick up girls. Again I don't bareback all of them, just the ones I feel comfortable doing that way.[/QUOTE]You must have a silver cock since you don't catch anything despite fucking hookers raw all these years. Man you are blessed by the mongering god of bareback riders. How do you select the hookers who have STD free appearance and vibe? Can you see from the girl's face if she carries something bad? Can you smell it from her breath? Do you just ask them "Honey, do you have any sexually transmitted diseases that I should be concerned?" And when they say "noo, have not" then you throw the condom to the corner and let the barebacking games begin. Please share this valuable information with us.

Personally I would love to fuck a working girl without condom for a change but somehow it just seems like a pretty fucking stupid idea to me. With my luck I would end up in a STD clinic very soon like XXL and have a G-Tip dipped into the eye of the one eyed snake and a clap diagnosis to begin with. Maybe a Syphilis as a bonus, that one is a nasty little bugger. Followed by HIV eventually and that would cramp my style. Maybe when I get older (60+) I don't give a shit anymore about those diseases and fuck bareback like there is no tomorrow. But not today, not today.

Should there really be homeless people when there are empty hotels and condos everywhere? The irony in that.

[QUOTE=XXL;2457118]I wanted to go easy on my stash of Sagamis L-size since BOOTS in Pattaya have not been restocking them since the lockdown started.

The plan was to go bareback every other day. My all-time Pattaya favourite declined, which pissed me off somewhat. I fell down on a cheaper, less good-looking girl who accepted provided I added 200 on top of her usual 1000.

The first barebacking was only 6 days ago and today I'm back from BHP hospital with a diagnosis of gonorrhoea (always have to call the spellchecker on that word). One shot in the buttock and a fourfold dose or oral azithromycin. I had done this girl covered many times before going bareback with her, including DATY, which warrants the conclusion that condoms are good protection and that oral contamination is negligible.

Lesson 1 : never assume a girl will go bareback with you no matter how long-standing and solid your relationship with her.

Lesson 2 : bareback promiscuity in this environment is a shitty hobby.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you had that problem, XXL. Does that mean you will never again go bareback or just that you will chalk it up as a bump in the road you are willing to deal with in this hobby and move on as before?

What you attempted to do with your long term repeat girl is one of the heaviest lifts in the P4P world, imo. So it isn't surprising her answer was No. Asking (and getting) an upfront agreement to go bareback from a notably above average looking young Thai female under circumstances where she is sober, has plenty of time to think about it and many other options at her disposal, not "go with the flow in the room", not after she reeled drunk out of a bar at 4am and so on, is not something most punters would even dare try.

The only thing more of a challenge than what you tried with your long term girl would be if you had requested that upfront agreement on meeting her for the first time. That move is definitely not for faint of heart punters.

BTW, I think it might be fairly easy to get gonorrhea orally and have met a couple of men who said they got it that way via DATY in either Thailand or the Philippines. Although, for whatever reason, my percentage of times getting an STD from going bareback for 45+ years with thousands of women and engaging in a monumental amount of DATY and BBBJ along the way is similar to Natty's 0.00%. But maybe mine is something like 0.001% because I did catch a dose of easily cured trichomoniasis from a university girlfriend in my early 20's.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2457235]My take is that if they can sit there and jack themselves off with a condom on looking at porn, then they can cum with a condom during sex. It's 100% mental. Has anybody masturbated to a real steamy porn and only lasted like 15 seconds? But yet during sex can last so much longer? It's in the mind. Often, I have to fantasize that I'm some John (which I am), trying to get this dumb ass hooker pregnant by busting a nut in her pussy and then leaving her ass for the next girl. And that's how I manage to cum with a condom, aside from the gobs of 100% aloe vera gel instead of KY. Last girl I banged, condom snapped. I heard it and also felt it. She did not. It took me about 2 seconds to pull out, wash my dick, and had her suck me to a CIM finish in which she ate it all (thanks to pineapple juice). The risk is just not worth it because technically, what's the reward?[/QUOTE]Pretty much 100% agree with what you said. Another point made by a monger couple of posts back, is age. If someone is 60-70+, they might be more inclined to go bareback. What's thr worst case, die with STD in 70's?

On breaking condom, that doesn't happen much with me. But just last month it broke and I didn't felt it until I made 5-6 more strokes. Took it out and bang, it was broken. Hmm I should've cleaned it first, but I just put another condom, added some lube on her pussy and my rubber and continued LOL. Though I washed it with more attention than usual after finishing. She was massage shop girl, I guess they get tested regularly.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2457364]Pretty much 100% agree with what you said. Another point made by a monger couple of posts back, is age. If someone is 60-70+, they might be more inclined to go bareback. What's thr worst case, die with STD in 70's?.[/QUOTE]That means they have not learn what it means to empathize, even at that golden age of supposed "wisdom. " Those are the type that really has the "all about me, myself, and I" mentality. What about passing that shit around and can lead to deformed babies and shit. But let me guess, that's the female's responsibility. The ones with true ego always have a reckoning to deal with in the end.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2457331]What you attempted to do with your long term repeat girl is one of the heaviest lifts in the P4P world, imo. So it isn't surprising her answer was No.....[/QUOTE]I beg to differ:

Why is she a long term repeat if she is not performing required duties?

BBFS is hardly the holy grail worthy of hooker worship or unlimited compensation. If it's a requirement and one girl won't provide, just move onto another that will.

How definite was her 'no'? I'm all for respecting girls' limits but if she was just testing the water is she really prepared to lose a good customer over it?

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2457330]Should there really be homeless people when there are empty hotels and condos everywhere? The irony in that.[/QUOTE]No irony in it if you consider why the people are homeless. Is it simply because they could not afford a place to stay as I would say is not the case of most? More than likely there is some other underlying issue. Is it because they burned their house down after smoking meth as the guy in Chonburi did the other day? Is it because they gamble away all the money that comes into their hands? I certainly would not want anyone living in a place of mine who was not going to respect and take care of the place. I had to put my own brother out because he was so messy and never wanted to clean up; so a stranger would not stand a chance. And if a person has family that will not allow them to stay at their place then those red flags must be considered.

Just like back home in the USA when people say how unfair the system is. My first question is did you go to school and do all your homework and study and do all that you were supposed to do. Usually the people complaining are not those that have painstakingly followed the prescribed methodology. At some point personal responsibility has to be taken as to why one has not been able to gain any traction or why one does not have a place to stay. You can't just fuck off the entire time then decide you are entitled to something that you have not earned while others around you have been busy earning what they have.

I love my closest cousin very dearly, talk to him almost every day, and he is one of my best friends. Hell, I even took part of his GED test for him back in 1989 so he could go to the Marines. Now he is almost 50 years old and has fucked off most of his life doing nothing. (When he was married his wife even gave him money for him to live in Pattaya and he fucked that off as well.) A few months ago he had a disagreement with his mom and asked if he could come stay at my place. My answer was no fucking way. If you are almost 50 and don't have your own place by now then there is nobody to blame but yourself. Nobody is about to lay up in my shit doing nothing while I am out working hard to pay for it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2457380]
How definite was her 'no'? I'm all for respecting girls' limits but if she was just testing the water is she really prepared to lose a good customer over it?

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]You're just assuming that she has lack of other customers who are happy to do covered sex and pay. Even during lockdown and no tourists, I have seen hookers inbox on dating sites filled with 100's of dudes like us for meeting.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2457393]Even during lockdown and no tourists, I have seen hookers inbox on dating sites filled with 100's of dudes like us for meeting.[/QUOTE]Very true but how many of those inbox wanabees actually make the trip and are standing in front of her with 3 k in his wallet?

G.

P.S. The whole message a month before arrival vs only when in country is a whole other debate. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2457380]I beg to differ:

Why is she a long term repeat if she is not performing required duties?

BBFS is hardly the holy grail worthy of hooker worship or unlimited compensation. If it's a requirement and one girl won't provide, just move onto another that will.

How definite was her 'no'? I'm all for respecting girls' limits but if she was just testing the water is she really prepared to lose a good customer over it?

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]This girl certainly valued me as a regular customer because she always had time for me. Only once did she ask if she could come 1 hour earlier than my usual time, otherwise she just agreed to come when I wanted. She was probably not desperate for customers because she hardly ever (only once if I remember right) sent me a message to try and bring about a new meeting. She only reacted when prompted. I remember once the condom had broken and she hadn't seemed to give a damn.

The girl I ill-fatedly barebacked on the other hand hardly let a day go by without initiating. A different degree of desperateness was at play. I had sensed this and that was why I fell back on her for barebacking, on the rebound so to speak after my Number One turned me down. My mistake.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2457364] She was massage shop girl, I guess they get tested regularly.[/QUOTE]You're guessing wrong. Each shop have their own rules.

In most places they might get them tested when they start working there and that's it.

Unless it's a shop that advertise it as for the DD shop in Pattaya when they put each girls test on their website and they say they test them every month, but even then you cannot trust their tests.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2457380]I beg to differ:

Why is she a long term repeat if she is not performing required duties?

BBFS is hardly the holy grail worthy of hooker worship or unlimited compensation. If it's a requirement and one girl won't provide, just move onto another that will.

How definite was her 'no'? I'm all for respecting girls' limits but if she was just testing the water is she really prepared to lose a good customer over it?

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Of course, all anyone has to do is move on to the next one who will.

But I submit that a customer who wants an upfront agreement to go bareback with (the qualifiers I cited) a sober, notably above average looking young Thai girl under circumstances where she has plenty of time to think about it and plenty of other options available to her at the moment, is a customer who is going to be moving on a lot more often and engaged in the hunt a lot longer than the customer who is fine with an older or middling looking (or less) Thai woman, catches her as she is stumbling out of a bar at 4am and commences a "go with the flow in the room" approach with someone who very well might be so out of it by then no intelligent discussion about anything is necessary or even possible.

Imo, the former qualifies as a much heavier lift for any punter than the latter with the additional moving on and continued hunt being the "lift."

[QUOTE=XXL;2457410]This girl certainly valued me as a regular customer because she always had time for me. Only once did she ask if she could come 1 hour earlier than my usual time, otherwise she just agreed to come when I wanted. She was probably not desperate for customers because she hardly ever (only once if I remember right) sent me a message to try and bring about a new meeting. She only reacted when prompted. I remember once the condom had broken and she hadn't seemed to give a damn.[/QUOTE]Just offer her to go and get tested together at the clinic if you want to bareback her. She will probably accept it.

[QUOTE] girl I ill-fatedly barebacked on the other hand hardly let a day go by without initiating. A different degree of desperateness was at play. I had sensed this and that was why I fell back on her for barebacking, on the rebound so to speak after my Number One turned me down. My mistake.[/QUOTE]You cannot know which girl will give you a disease unless you really know if she is infectious or what she is doing when she is not with you and which kind of guys she is meeting but that's a different story. In that case you've probably just been unlucky.

Once I was staying with the same girl in Pattaya for more than two weeks. She gave me numerous BBBJ during that time but it's only a day before my departure that she infected me.

She just changed the way she gave me her BJ and that was it, that got my urethra infected.

Later I learned that it happened to other guys she had fucked and she knew she was giving the disease to other people but she was acting as if she was clean.

So don't count on these girls to be cautious or ethical, they will just hide whatever they can, fuck any guy they want and take the money.

When I have had too much to drink, I may skip the condoms although I know it is just a huge mistake. Afterwards, I still really get mad at myself for playing so badly with my health. Then I go through bad days and bad nights wondering if I haven't caught a disease that can be serious. And unfortunately my experience has already proved me right.

Not putting a condom with prostitutes in a city like Pattaya or Angeles City is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in the barrel of the revolver.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457441]When I have had too much to drink, I may skip the condoms although I know it is just a huge mistake. Afterwards, I still really get mad at myself for playing so badly with my health. Then I go through bad days and bad nights wondering if I haven't caught a disease that can be serious. And unfortunately my experience has already proved me right.

Not putting a condom with prostitutes in a city like Pattaya or Angeles City is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in the barrel of the revolver.[/QUOTE]I suspect dishonesty of anyone who says they barebacked in Angeles City and did not pick up something.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457474]I suspect dishonesty of anyone who says they barebacked in Angeles City and did not pick up something.[/QUOTE]Why would real BM's lie about something as occupational as catching an STD? You catch it, you take care of it, and then you post a trip report about it if you want to. It can happen to anybody. It's no big deal. There is no stigma. But you, Turgid, or whatever other fake handle you like to use, I have a question for you: have you ever been to AC? or Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457441]Not putting a condom with prostitutes in a city like Pattaya or Angeles City is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in the barrel of the revolver.[/QUOTE]I say the risk is much higher in the Germany AO clubs where girls go through 20 customers per day and get creampied by 20 guys at once in those gangbang clubs. Even popular girls at normal FKK clubs like Acapulco do BBFS.

I don't know PI but I know Pattaya gogo girls will do max 2 guys per night but the majority are lucky to get 1 guy.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2457479] But you, Turgid, or whatever other fake handle you like to use, I have a question for you: have you ever been to AC? or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]:-0.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2457482]I say the risk is much higher in the Germany AO clubs where girls go through 20 customers per day and get creampied by 20 guys at once in those gangbang clubs. Even popular girls at normal FKK clubs like Acapulco do BBFS.

I don't know PI but I know Pattaya gogo girls will do max 2 guys per night but the majority are lucky to get 1 guy.
[/QUOTE]Ok. I don't know the clubs in Germany (but I would like to know :-) But I suppose that the health record of the girls is better controlled than in Thailand or in the Phils where they claim to have to analyze STDs regularly and that I could never see despite my requests.

I no longer remember in which post on ISG someone said that a girl could go with more than 500 men in a year (or something like that) which seems quite realistic to me. It still leaves a lot of chance of getting infected.

Well sometimes its just that once you catch an STD like lets say HPV, you produce anti bodies and become kind of immune to it for the rest of your life. Still no excuse for going bareback but chances of catching same std again reduces a lot.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2457317]You must have a silver cock since you don't catch anything despite fucking hookers raw all these years. Man you are blessed by the mongering god of bareback riders. How do you select the hookers who have STD free appearance and vibe? Can you see from the girl's face if she carries something bad? Can you smell it from her breath? Do you just ask them "Honey, do you have any sexually transmitted diseases that I should be concerned?" And when they say "noo, have not" then you throw the condom to the corner and let the barebacking games begin. Please share this valuable information with us.

Personally I would love to fuck a working girl without condom for a change but somehow it just seems like a pretty fucking stupid idea to me. With my luck I would end up in a STD clinic very soon like XXL and have a G-Tip dipped into the eye of the one eyed snake and a clap diagnosis to begin with. Maybe a Syphilis as a bonus, that one is a nasty little bugger. Followed by HIV eventually and that would cramp my style. Maybe when I get older (60+) I don't give a shit anymore about those diseases and fuck bareback like there is no tomorrow. But not today, not today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2457479] But you, Turgid, or whatever other fake handle you like to use, I have a question for you: have you ever been to AC? or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]555.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2457482]I say the risk is much higher in the Germany AO clubs where girls go through 20 customers per day and get creampied by 20 guys at once in those gangbang clubs. [/QUOTE]At the gang bang parties like Spermagames probably the get creampied by 50-70 guys, I read these parties were overcrowded. At least they had quick HIV test on duty. LOL.

Also, I don't have much faith in the medical tests that RTC girls do or not.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457486]
I no longer remember in which post on ISG someone said that a girl could go with more than 500 men in a year (or something like that) which seems quite realistic to me. It still leaves a lot of chance of getting infected.[/QUOTE]
I remember back in 2010 some superstars in soi6 claimed to have 10 STs a day in high season. One famous girl in Devils Den told me that she thinks she has had over 5000 partners in her career.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457474]I suspect dishonesty of anyone who says they barebacked in Angeles City and did not pick up something.[/QUOTE]I lost Control last year when I was in AC and fucked every FL I meet raw through two weeks. Often multiple per day.

I had some kind of crisis, because I didn't cared at all.

Two days before my departure I get some candida from a SW who was standing outside of kokomos. She immediately jumped on me raw in my room. After I pulled out I had a bad smell on my dick and I was already sure I caught something. Took care of that by myself.

I was tested at home and had nothing more.

I guess I was very lucky, because it could be much worse.

I don't plan to repeat that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457474]I suspect dishonesty of anyone who says they barebacked in Angeles City and did not pick up something.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I was kind of taken aback by someone claiming they wound up with an STD "8 times out of 10" when they didn't use a condom in Thailand. And that it was so bad it required hospitalization at least once and always meant he had to call the girls he sessioned with to tell them about it and all that.

Good lord. I think if I caught an STD 2 times out of 10 trips to a destination that required me to be hospitalized I might stop having bareback sex altogether, which for me means no more fucking, and certainly never return to that destination again on the less than off chance that I'd probably catch something pretty serious there just from BJs, HJs and DFK.

Not saying an 80% STD infection rate is impossible since I have no idea what style of sexual congress we're talking about. I mean, perhaps some extreme porn type sessions over and over again with girls who engage in that with different customers every day could bring it up to and even beyond that rate.

Still, that is an awful lot of dreary follow up phone calls I'm glad I have never had to make even once. And I assume a few of those calls were picked up by girls who themselves were by then already laying in hospital beds as well. Wow. What a mess.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455957]So you didn't have any clue about the girl until your dick was in her "vagina" ? Yikes!, But let me ask you a question: then how did you finally discover her vagina was man made and not just super cavernous?...[/QUOTE]Her vagina never got wet during the whole session. It felt like I was having a session with a doll. It was surreal. I had many doubts when I first met her in the street, and I asked her several times whether she was a ladyboy. But she was eye candy, and I just could not pass up that opportunity. BTW, I saw her again on that same street later but never got the urge to repeat.

Yep, they are right all around the world. Too many police doing what? They forget what their job is really about. Who will you call when somebody breaks in your house at night? Get an alarm system. Can't afford one, then the government makes them free. It's that simple. Pattaya beach. No trash cans, so people litter all in the recycling bin for plastic bottles. In front of you know who and their station.

P.S.: Root cause analysis. If there is no such things as check writing (pretty unnecessary) in a modern society. George would probably still be here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2457570]Her vagina never got wet during the whole session.[/QUOTE]Some women just don't get wet. I once had a Thai girlfriend with this problem. She's definitely a female, recently gave birth.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2457479].......... But you, Turgid, or whatever other fake handle you like to use, I have a question for you: have you ever been to AC? or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I have, in the past, read your posts and lately I've noticed you resorting to ad hominem retorts which seem so unlike you. I think we are all hurting with this covid 19 imbroglio. Hang in there, it'll soon be over.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2457541]Interesting. I was kind of taken aback by someone claiming they wound up with an STD "8 times out of 10" when they didn't use a condom in Thailand. And that it was so bad it required hospitalization at least once and always meant he had to call the girls he sessioned with to tell them about it and all that.............[/QUOTE]My observation is that many guys on this forum tend to have internet bravado. For example: "I spent 3 weeks in.....and banged 20 girls a week". If another dude says that he banged 3 girls a week I would tend to give that more credence. Similarly if a poster says he got stds 8 out of 10 times he barebacked, why would he put himself down like that? I naturally tend to believe such a statement. Consequently, I would be quite quizzical if some one says he had bareback sex with 100's of girls in SEA and never got an std.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457771]I have, in the past, read your posts and lately I've noticed you resorting to ad hominem retorts which seem so unlike you. I think we are all hurting with this covid 19 imbroglio. Hang in there, it'll soon be over.[/QUOTE]There was a post a few days ago from a very unlucky BM who stated that he contacted an STD "8 times out of 10" whenever he didn't use a condom" in Thailand & in the Philippines. He went on to post that "I think I have had almost all of them except AIDS. Including labial and genital herpes."

Now I didn't question his integrity like you did mine when I reported my own STD history of 0. 00 incidence which I divulged btw solely as empirical evidence to emphasize the truth that an 80% incident rate is exceedingly HIGH, way above the average expected rate, and that to achieve such a high 80% rate of infection, the OP was either extremely unlucky, which is absolutely possible in a statistical sense or he was hooking up with some real unsavory girls. It is either one or the other or both. Take your pick. It's like shooting snake eyes 8 out of 10 times in a row. It is either really bad luck or crooked dice.

If you took offense in what I posted to the OP or to "Turgid", so be it. Maybe you should put me on your ignore list or just don't imply directly or indirectly I lied about something unless you have real good proof to back it up.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457772]...Similarly if a poster says he got stds 8 out of 10 times he barebacked, why would he put himself down like that? I naturally tend to believe such a statement. Consequently, I would be quite quizzical if some one says he had bareback sex with 100's of girls in SEA and never got an std.[/QUOTE]I don't believe either of those extremes, but I do believe each punter has his own vulnerability to chlamydia, gonorrhea, or other STDs. The man who lies in bed for an hour after bareback sex might have a different level of problems than the man who immediately gets up, washes, and takes a piss. Picking up the homely bar girl who gets just 1 date per week might be different than the hottie who gets 2 or 3 dates per day. Baltimore has a punter who use to post many videos of him going bareback with every drug addicted streetwalker in the city. He said he never got an STD, but he also said he had frequent antibiotics for sinus problems, which could have saved him a great deal of bacteria problems.

Then, there are those of us who have STDs but don't realize it because we are asymptomatic. That may be common with herpes.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2457823]I don't believe either of those extremes, but I do believe each punter has his own vulnerability to chlamydia, gonorrhea, or other STDs. The man who lies in bed for an hour after bareback sex might have a different level of problems than the man who immediately gets up, washes, and takes a piss. Picking up the homely bar girl who gets just 1 date per week might be different than the hottie who gets 2 or 3 dates per day. Baltimore has a punter who use to post many videos of him going bareback with every drug addicted streetwalker in the city. He said he never got an STD, but he also said he had frequent antibiotics for sinus problems, which could have saved him a great deal of bacteria problems.

Then, there are those of us who have STDs but don't realize it because we are asymptomatic. That may be common with herpes.[/QUOTE]I think there are important factors that can greatly reduce ones infection rate. At least, I have done them and it seems to have worked out well for me so far.

Washing and pissing soon after sex is a must. I never just roll over and go to sleep. I am also circumcised, have had a vasectomy (for pregnancy prevention, nothing to do with STD infection prevention), try to avoid prolonged rougher than normal sex, make sure the lady is well lubed (virtually always naturally, not from a tube), have no interest in Anal or any other butt play and am mindful of any visible or extremely odorous signs of trouble in the girl's vagina, which I will find out soon in the session since DATY is high on my to-do list early and often.

I would say I have had plenty of girls who are so popular they have no problem getting multiple customers per day or could get another boyfriend by noon if I broke up with them at dawn. And a few homely ones here and there as well. But I do avoid highly intoxicated women. Maybe that is an important factor in avoiding infection problems, don't know. Women who get drunk regularly or need to get drunk before sex probably make some fairly imprudent choices in terms of partners and activities along the way. But that isn't why I avoid them. In my experience highly intoxicated women make lousy sex partners.

I don't use or over use antibiotics or take any other medications ordinarily except 1 baby aspirin per day.

Anyway, I am not saying do this or that and you too can have an STD free life of barebacking thousands of different women. In fact, I don't encourage anyone to go bareback, never seen anyone else here encouraging it. Well, I might have once suggested a vasectomy in order to feel better about going bareback with his girls to another older punter here who posted field reports that seemed to me required him to risk a massive coronary event to squeeze out the extremely allusive and rare pop in a condom.

But I think men who follow those and perhaps other logical precautions, keep themselves pretty healthy in general and are not unlucky enough to be born susceptible to any and all ailments or bugs that come near them could spend a lifetime barebacking various partners, even hundreds of them, and wind up with something a lot closer to a 0.00% STD infection rate than an 80% STD infection rate.

I meet a lot of old punters in Thailand who have made the rounds and barebacked most of the time along the way who claim they have never gotten a dose if any of the biggies and most recognizable STDs. I really have no reason to think they are lying to me. They are not shy about talking about anything else that's happened to them or that they've done in life.

Firstly I want to clarify that I am of impeccable cleanliness, I take 5 or 6 showers a day when I am in Pattaya or AC because it is hot and I take meticulous showers before and immediately after absolutely all my sexual intercourses even when I use condoms.

Secondly, the ratio of 8 out of 10 is not the result of scientific observation, but rather a feeling, just as the outside temperature can be felt differently from the temperature seen on the thermometer.

At last, the unit of measurement for this 8 out of 10 is not girls but travels. So you have to read 8 out of 10 trips and not 8 out of 10 girls. Knowing that I fuck between 2 and 3 times a day, that I change partners almost every time, that I travel almost every month mainly in Thailand and the Philippines.

In any case thank you all for caring so much about my health ^^

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457922]Firstly I want to clarify that I am of impeccable cleanliness, I take 5 or 6 showers a day when I am in Pattaya or AC because it is hot and I take meticulous showers before and immediately after absolutely all my sexual intercourses even when I use condoms.

Secondly, the ratio of 8 out of 10 is not the result of scientific observation, but rather a feeling, just as the outside temperature can be felt differently from the temperature seen on the thermometer.

At last, the unit of measurement for this 8 out of 10 is not girls but travels. So you have to read 8 out of 10 trips and not 8 out of 10 girls. Knowing that I fuck between 2 and 3 times a day, that I change partners almost every time, that I travel almost every month mainly in Thailand and the Philippines.

In any case thank you all for caring so much about my health ^^[/QUOTE]I have never knowingly met another poster on ISG but I do genuinely care about the health and well being of each and every one on here. Their health and safety is somewhat related to my health and safety. Chances are that ISG posters meet the same women I have relations with albeit within the security of a condom.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457922]Secondly, the ratio of 8 out of 10 is not the result of scientific observation, but rather a feeling, [/QUOTE]I know what you mean. Last month I felt I had polio.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457930] Their health and safety is somewhat related to my health and safety. Chances are that ISG posters meet the same women I have relations with albeit within the security of a condom.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I told myself.

When I saw the number of people riding bareback, I am even more motivated to put on condoms ^^

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457932]I know what you mean. Last month I felt I had polio.[/QUOTE]I was talking about the ratio not of the disease. Sorry you didn't understand.

My English is not very good.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457939]That's exactly what I told myself.

When I saw the number of people riding bareback, I am even more motivated to put on condoms..[/QUOTE]Please feel motivated to put this bareback talk in the safe sex thread also.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2457959]Please feel motivated to put this bareback talk in the safe sex thread also.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your interest Paolo99.

I did not find "safe sex" thread despite my research. Thank you for communicating it to me.

Anyway, I do not make any generality, I just replied to posts on "Pattaya reports" thread. It is contextualized on the environment of Pattaya with possibly an extension on an identical city (AC for example).

There are many threads on ISG and necessarily there can be redundancies and / or parallel subjects, it is inevitable. I speak under the control of the moderator (who can contradict me) but 1) it is not possible to duplicate posts on as many threads as there can be correspondence and 2) it is difficult to cut out a response of a thread to place it in the correct response thread. I think the main thing is to keep the sense and understanding of the dialogue.

At last, I'm not taking the side of "safe sex", everyone makes their choices and takes their own risks. I'm just sharing about my own little experience.

Finally, after my 9 or so years mongering in Thailand. I found a GoGo Bar girl (Dolls Agogo) willing to fuck for 800 baht ST. I got so excited, I LINEd Mr. E and told him and XXL of my gem. Not sure if I will partake, because I like to mess around on ThaiFriendlly while taking a shit. And this one took the bait while I was bored and dropping bombs, entertaining myself while on the throne of mankind. So all those who doubted Mr. E that stuff like this doesn't happen, it happened. And to Monkeypaw at that. Must be the end of the world.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2457922]Knowing that I fuck between 2 and 3 times a day..[/QUOTE]Where do you get the libedo to do that? Is it practice? (the more you fuck then the more you fuck rule). Are you 18 yo and just discovering sex for the 1st time? You take Viagra or brem? Do you go for exceptionally hot women that override your normal reload time? Or are you OK with the sex not being much fun and not finishing every time?

Of course I enjoy sex a lot but my reload time is about 36 hours. Trying to do sex every 8 hours: to finish would be become hard physical and mental work rather than blissful fun.

On my 2 week holidays to Pattaya I aim for sex once a day, but usually by day 3 the thrill is gone and by day 5 I really need a day off. I'm middle aged, I was able to finish 5 times a day when I was teenager: It'd be good to have those days back, when such fun was easy and free.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458194]Finally, after my 9 or so years mongering in Thailand. I found a GoGo Bar girl (Dolls Agogo) willing to fuck for 800 baht ST. I got so excited, I LINEd Mr. E and told him and XXL of my gem. Not sure if I will partake, because I like to mess around on ThaiFriendlly while taking a shit. And this one took the bait while I was bored and dropping bombs, entertaining myself while on the throne of mankind. So all those who doubted Mr. E that stuff like this doesn't happen, it happened. And to Monkeypaw at that. Must be the end of the world.[/QUOTE]You got us used to better. No wonder it costs you only 800 Baths.

Is that the discount prices of Mr Enternational?

I prefer when you go to karaoke.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458194]Finally, after my 9 or so years mongering in Thailand. I found a GoGo Bar girl (Dolls Agogo) willing to fuck for 800 baht ST. I got so excited, I LINEd Mr. E and told him and XXL of my gem. Not sure if I will partake, because I like to mess around on ThaiFriendlly while taking a shit. And this one took the bait while I was bored and dropping bombs, entertaining myself while on the throne of mankind. So all those who doubted Mr. E that stuff like this doesn't happen, it happened. And to Monkeypaw at that. Must be the end of the world.[/QUOTE]I might even go as high as 1 k for her! But these are desparate times.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2458249]I might even go as high as 1 k for her! But these are desparate times.[/QUOTE]Right now the few very sexy gogos girls who stay in Pattaya during the confinement go very easily with expatriates for 1000ST. My friend who lives in Pattaya told me right now he fuck the most lovely sexy ladies of Pattaya for 1000ST bareback! These girls who asked before 3000 to 5000 for ST in gogos in WS or SOI LK fuck very easily for 1000. Like my friend say, there is nobody in Patt now, ot's better for these girls to get 1000 than nothing! Only few girls ask him between 200 to 500 more for bareback!

He told me now he fuck the sexy girls everyday, and love to do BRFS and CIP.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458194]Finally, after my 9 or so years mongering in Thailand. I found a GoGo Bar girl (Dolls Agogo) willing to fuck for 800 baht ST. I got so excited, I LINEd Mr. E and told him and XXL of my gem. Not sure if I will partake, because I like to mess around on ThaiFriendlly while taking a shit. And this one took the bait while I was bored and dropping bombs, entertaining myself while on the throne of mankind. So all those who doubted Mr. E that stuff like this doesn't happen, it happened. And to Monkeypaw at that. Must be the end of the world.[/QUOTE]I doubt she gets many takers at 3,000 baht at her regular place of business.

A few I know are a lot prettier have a hard time. It's Pattaya for Buddha's sake.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2458003]Thank you for your interest Paolo99.

I did not find "safe sex" thread despite my research. Thank you for communicating it to me.

Anyway, I do not make any generality, I just replied to posts on "Pattaya reports" thread. It is contextualized on the environment of Pattaya with possibly an extension on an identical city (AC for example).

There are many threads on ISG and necessarily there can be redundancies and / or parallel subjects, it is inevitable. I speak under the control of the moderator (who can contradict me) but 1) it is not possible to duplicate posts on as many threads as there can be correspondence and 2) it is difficult to cut out a response of a thread to place it in the correct response thread. I think the main thing is to keep the sense and understanding of the dialogue.

At last, I'm not taking the side of "safe sex", everyone makes their choices and takes their own risks. I'm just sharing about my own little experience.[/QUOTE]At the risk of stating the obvious, but "bareback talk" is not really a subject that generally needs to be confined to a Safe Sex thread. It might not even belong in a Safe Sex thread much at all unless it is a side discussion about the perceived evils of it or something like that.

Otherwise, it isn't as though someone here would visit a Safe Sex thread in order to find out about the best pharmacies to shop in and the lowest prices to pay for condoms in order to engage in bareback sex.

Bareback FS sex is simply another service one can negotiate and either get or not get with any P4P girl anywhere in the world including Thailand right along with DFK, Anal, Rimming, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, etc. There is nothing illegal, immoral, unethical or evil about it as long as it is agreed to between or among consenting adults.

Despite its spelled out absence on a typical massage shop or escort service menu of offerings, I dare say it is willingly agreed to and engaged in among more Thai P4P girls and their customers than Anal or Rimming, possibly even more than DFK, definitely more than BBBJ+CIM+Swallow.

Imo, where and how to get it more easily and more frequently in a way most agreeable to both (or more) consenting adults is a subject perfectly suitable for the Pattaya Reports thread, Bangkok Reports thread and any other thread where the topic of sexual services is discussed.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2458249]I might even go as high as 1 k for her! But these are desparate times.[/QUOTE]Like I said, I play around with girls on TF, just like I do at the GoGo bars. I like messing with their heads sometimes. She can go down to 500 baht or less, I am not going to jump. I still can do better. Not about money all the time when it comes to getting what I want. Why settle when you don't have to?

P.S. I've seen magic. If she threw in some contacts, do her make up differently, suck in that stomach. Trim her eyebrows. Maybe a whole diff story.

Pattaya Days May Be Numbered.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-revives-25-year-battle-to-demolish-walking-street-303891[/URL]

Hopefully a No Go.

Rainman.

Pattaya Days May Be Numbered.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-revives-25-year-battle-to-demolish-walking-street-303891[/URL]

Hopefully a No Go.

Rainman.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2458299]At the risk of stating the obvious, but "bareback talk" is not really a subject that generally needs to be confined to a Safe Sex thread. It might not even belong in a Safe Sex thread .............[/QUOTE][URL]Dictionary.com[/URL] : "safe sex - noun - sexual activities in which precautions have been taken, as by the use of a condom, to minimize the chances of spreading or contracting a sexually transmitted disease".

As most of the other businesses are failing or closed, Treetown (police owned) has pretty much cornered all the remaining foreign dollars. No social distancing, no masks, public drinking and partying. Pretty much a block party every night with hookers. If you guys come down from BKK, this is where you will be hanging.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2458445][URL]Dictionary.com[/URL] : "safe sex - noun - sexual activities in which precautions have been taken, as by the use of a condom, to minimize the chances of spreading or contracting a sexually transmitted disease".[/QUOTE]Exactly. Which makes the case for there being no logical reason to confine "bareback talk" to a Safe Sex thread or to move it to such a thread.

[QUOTE=RainmanSahut;2458333]Pattaya Days May Be Numbered.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-revives-25-year-battle-to-demolish-walking-street-303891[/URL]

Hopefully a No Go.

Rainman.[/QUOTE]This is a tactic we often like to use in the underworld. I'll make it easier for you guys to understand. Pattaya, Bui Vien, and AC Walking Streets are great for laundering money, cash cows for corruption, for both foreign and local dollars. It's a good time to start recruiting some extra $$$ since downturn because of COVID-19. It's like we all use ketchup on our French fries, then one day for whatever reason, the rumors start that there will be no more ketchup or it will be replaced with sriracha sauce. Well in order for us to keep the ketchup, we must need some support that it is wanted. Time to recruit some newbies and steal some more people's money into those clubs that are dying or you see that pop up and disappear in a few weeks. Shit happens all the time. Just ask many of these "foreign" partners of bars and businesses who have been scammed. Ask them about their hopes and dreams of keeping alive something they really enjoyed. Great tactic, works like a charm every time. Can you imagine if the owner of Thermae, who is actually very nice and not crooked, spread a rumor about it's closure in order to get some poor saps to invest in the place? Bring them in, make them love it, and then threaten to take it away. What's that called?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458550]As most of the other businesses are failing or closed, Treetown (police owned) has pretty much cornered all the remaining foreign dollars. No social distancing, no masks, public drinking and partying. Pretty much a block party every night with hookers. If you guys come down from BKK, this is where you will be hanging.[/QUOTE]It cheers me up on the survival of party places in Pattaya after the covid. If the police get involved, I regain confidence.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458550]As most of the other businesses are failing or closed, Treetown (police owned) has pretty much cornered all the remaining foreign dollars. No social distancing, no masks, public drinking and partying. Pretty much a block party every night with hookers. If you guys come down from BKK, this is where you will be hanging.[/QUOTE]The police shut it down at 11 p last night. Some stragglers remained, patrol at 1 a went by and kicked them out.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2458684]The police shut it down at 11 p last night. Some stragglers remained, patrol at 1 a went by and kicked them out.[/QUOTE]That was last night curfew was technically still in place so like most arrogant Thais with a bit of power thought they would just start a bit early until someone with some brains thought twice knowing a lot of people are watching. Tonight no curfew! Lots of traffic today especially on the 3rd road heading towards Pattaya Klang let them party if successful pretty tough to keep the rest from opening especially if the foreigner ownership and operators can point out favoritism.

I'm kind of wondering how many bar owners have rushed down to obtain a restaurant license to go along with their liquor in the last week? Rumor on the Darkside?

[QUOTE=ChronoTrigger;2458234]Where do you get the libedo to do that? Is it practice? (the more you fuck then the more you fuck rule). Are you 18 yo and just discovering sex for the 1st time? You take Viagra or brem? Do you go for exceptionally hot women that override your normal reload time? Or are you OK with the sex not being much fun and not finishing every time?

Of course I enjoy sex a lot but my reload time is about 36 hours. Trying to do sex every 8 hours: to finish would be become hard physical and mental work rather than blissful fun.

On my 2 week holidays to Pattaya I aim for sex once a day, but usually by day 3 the thrill is gone and by day 5 I really need a day off. I'm middle aged, I was able to finish 5 times a day when I was teenager: It'd be good to have those days back, when such fun was easy and free.[/QUOTE]I do not think I am very efficient. When I read other testimonials, I see that there are men who are much better than me. Probably because younger.

For me, I think it is the combination of several factors:

1 - I do a lot of sports. I run about 40 km per week under normal conditions. More if I prepare a race like a half marathon or a marathon. I also do indoor sports and cycling, about 35 km per week in 1 outing. In short, I play sports 5 days a week.

2 - Likewise yes I think that fucking is also a training and that the more we fuck the more we want to fuck.

3 - I only stay about ten days in a sex town. So I can focus my energy on these days. And I travel about once a month. When there is no covid 19 of course.

4 - If I stayed longer I would not follow the same pace. I think I would reduce my average to 1 to 2 girls a day. And I will vary my activities.

5 - I change girls every time. Which allows me not to get tired. I get tired of the same girl very quickly. After 2 to 3 times I'm fed up. I only do LT when I go to a lost place.

6 - I follow what my cock tells me. And it changes his mind all the time. One day the one who has big breasts, after the one who has a nice ass, the next day that pretty smile, then those pretty legs, etc. As soon as I have a hard-on, it's a sign that I'm sufficiently excited for fucking and finish the fuck. The signal is sufficient. No need to go through the brain.

7 - At my age, I'm more jaded than before. I tell myself a lot of stories while I fuck. I make some films in my head. And as long as the girl moans it contributes enormously to my excitement.

8 - I try to control my consumption of alcohol because after a certain threshold it kills my libido.

9 - I don't know for how long I can keep this pace. Already I have dropped a lot in the space of 10 years. 10 years ago (I was about 50 years old), I had on average 3 to 4 reports per day. But I could only travel once or twice a year because I worked. I was more motivated!

Here I think I have gone around the question. I may have forgotten a few things. But if you have other questions, do not hesitate, I will be happy to answer you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2458571]Exactly. Which makes the case for there being no logical reason to confine "bareback talk" to a Safe Sex thread or to move it to such a thread.[/QUOTE]Perhaps there should be an unsafe sex thread.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2458700]Perhaps there should be an unsafe sex thread.[/QUOTE]lol. In the new world order where violating Social Distancing risks infection of a floating virus that could certainly make you very sick, take a sex worker out of circulation for weeks, perhaps cause death for yourself, the girl or any of your and her friends, relatives, casual aquaintansences and passers by, I would say a thread like that would now have to include any activity you can do wearing a face mask, staying at least 1 metre apart and would not get you in big trouble if the two of you did it at rush hour on the BTS or MRT.

Until Covid-19 is eradicated or disappears on its own, every sex act with another person is Unsafe Sex even if you wear two condoms. And this virus seems to do much more damage right up to and including death for yourself and others faster than any STD that ever existed in modern times, including HIV (today).

Not to dismiss anyone's concern about the risks if going bareback. However, considering what can happen to us these days and in the foreseeable future regardless what sex act we would be willing to pay money for or if we never have sex again, hearing what consenting adults fairly choose to do of a sexual nature for love or money ought not to ring as many alarm bells as before, imo.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2458684]The police shut it down at 11 p last night. Some stragglers remained, patrol at 1 a went by and kicked them out.[/QUOTE]Raids all over Buakhao. Treetown safe but other places were forced to closed. If you are a restaurant serving alcohol, your alcohol sales can only be a certain percentage. Saw many places had plenty of people just lounging around drinking in order to get a view of Buakhao. If it's a food establishment, that's a no no. Other places that are not near Buakhao, pretty dead.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2458707]lol. In the new world order where violating Social Distancing risks infection of a floating virus that could certainly make you very sick, take a sex worker out of circulation for weeks, perhaps cause death for yourself, the girl or any of your and her friends, relatives, casual aquaintansences and passers by, I would say a thread like that would now have to include any activity you can do wearing a face mask, staying at least 1 metre apart and would not get you in big trouble if the two of you did it at rush hour on the BTS or MRT.

Until Covid-19 is eradicated or disappears on its own, every sex act with another person is Unsafe Sex even if you wear two condoms. And this virus seems to do much more damage right up to and including death for yourself and others faster than any STD that ever existed in modern times, including HIV (today).

Not to dismiss anyone's concern about the risks if going bareback. However, considering what can happen to us these days and in the foreseeable future regardless what sex act we would be willing to pay money for or if we never have sex again, hearing what consenting adults fairly choose to do of a sexual nature for love or money ought not to ring as many alarm bells as before, imo.[/QUOTE]Unless you have a co-morbidity, Covid-19 is extremely low risk and comparable to catching flu or a cold for most people so I don't think that comparison holds any water. Plus there have been no reported local transmissions for weeks so you're certainly more likely to die of lightning strike than Covid-19 in Thailand right now.

You should be more worried about boring people to death by repeating ad nauseam your need for bareback sex. You've basically repeated the same thing thousands of times on this forum. How long can keep it up before you realise you've flogged that horse to death?

[QUOTE=*****man;2458720]Unless you have a co-morbidity, Covid-19 is extremely low risk and comparable to catching flu or a cold for most people so I don't think that comparison holds any water. Plus there have been no reported local transmissions for weeks so you're certainly more likely to die of lightning strike than Covid-19 in Thailand right now.

You should be more worried about boring people to death by repeating ad nauseam your need for bareback sex. You've basically repeated the same thing thousands of times on this forum. How long can keep it up before you realise you've flogged that horse to death?[/QUOTE]You can always put me on your Ignore list and then you can complain about how old, fat, ugly and unskilled the women are in the oilies and massage shops you keep returning to without distraction.

Tree Town was booming last night. Busiest I've seen it so far. Police showed up eventually. I was told they were from BKK. They only closed Beer Hub for some reason. The music died down, but it was still going at 11:45 p. It started to drizzle so I left. I expect a Bigger police presence tonight.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2458899]Tree Town was booming last night. Busiest I've seen it so far. Police showed up eventually. I was told they were from BKK. They only closed Beer Hub for some reason. The music died down, but it was still going at 11:45 p. It started to drizzle so I left. I expect a Bigger police presence tonight.[/QUOTE]Don't hold your breath just like don't hold your breath Walking Street will be gone.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2458899]Tree Town was booming last night. Busiest I've seen it so far. Police showed up eventually. I was told they were from BKK. They only closed Beer Hub for some reason. The music died down, but it was still going at 11:45 p. It started to drizzle so I left. I expect a Bigger police presence tonight.[/QUOTE]My neighbor works at BH. She was over last night and we were watching a movie when she got a call saying the police had raided and employees were down at the police station. She just sent me a message saying it is only take away for now and they still have no idea why the place was raided.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2458911]My neighbor works at BH. She was over last night and we were watching a movie when she got a call saying the police had raided and enployees were down at the jail. She just sent me a message saying it is only take away for now and nobody still has no idea why they raided the place.[/QUOTE]This type of stuff like last night is usually staged or someone on the BH is on the shit list! The shit list could be a number of things like he is a foreign older not paying his share or the bigger boys who run TreeTown is jealous or just don't like him? I've not seen my renter next door drinking buddy who is assigned to Soi 9 and usually I get the info from him.

A good example lot of people can't stand the owner of Windmill I've not met him nor do I care to but I heard he is a real ass-so that burns a lot of people. A few years back he got busted and was set up. They brought in some old English guy who ventures into his club and took a girl upstairs to a private room now anyone who knows Soi Diamond if Cops were coming many of these clubs has lookouts or pay for information if you suddenly were to go into Soi Diamond by the time the cops reach the door everyone would be on the up and up but not this time. Rumor the owner paid up 250,000 baht a day later he was open again. Rumor the next time the BIB from BKK needed to make a point to the rest of WS he agrees they could use his club.

Phase 4 opening current portion is to allow those with restaurant and liquor license to open. Treetown has both from what I'm hearing as for BeerHub that might not be the case plus they seem to be foreign owned?

Now that the curfew is removed, is Pattaya worth a 2-day mongering trip from Bangkok these days, should I wait for a few weeks, or just not go at all?

Specifically, is there a fair number of freelancers available on Beach Road or elsewhere (where)?

I not a drinker or an agogo kind of guy, prefer to source pussy in the 700-1200 baht ST range. Is there anything on Soi 6? Are many "massage" place girls operating, and how much do they accept for take out these days?

Not much into the online scene. Might use it in an emergency, but if that's the only viable option, I prefer not to take the trip.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2458925]Now that the curfew is removed, is Pattaya worth a 2-day mongering trip from Bangkok these days, should I wait for a few weeks, or just not go at all?

Specifically, is there a fair number of freelancers available on Beach Road or elsewhere (where)?

I not a drinker or an agogo kind of guy, prefer to source pussy in the 700-1200 baht ST range. Is there anything on Soi 6? Are many "massage" place girls operating, and how much do they accept for take out these days?[/QUOTE]The curfew has nothing to do with nothing. There is nothing that you need to do between the hours of 2300 and 0300 that were the curfew that you could not have done during the other 20 hours of the day; that includes Beach Road chicks. As MP has said several times, Beach Road chicks go between there and Soi Buakhao, while there are many more freelancers on Soi Buakhao that are not of the Beach Road variety. Bars are closed, so that means no Soi 6. Massage place girls have been operating the entire time (usually to be found online). As usual, I give them 500 for ST and 1000 for LT. Before curfew, during curfew, now; tourists or no tourists, my game has not changed.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2458899]Tree Town was booming last night. Busiest I've seen it so far. Police showed up eventually. I was told they were from BKK. They only closed Beer Hub for some reason. The music died down, but it was still going at 11:45 p. It started to drizzle so I left. I expect a Bigger police presence tonight.[/QUOTE]Did you see the girls fight?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2458937]The curfew has nothing to do with nothing. There is nothing that you need to do between the hours of 2300 and 0300 that were the curfew that you could not have done during the other 20 hours of the day; that includes Beach Road chicks. As MP has said several times, Beach Road chicks go between there and Soi Buakhao, while there are many more freelancers on Soi Buakhao that are not of the Beach Road variety. Bars are closed, so that means no Soi 6. Massage place girls have been operating the entire time (usually to be found online). As usual, I give them 500 for ST and 1000 for LT. Before curfew, during curfew, now; tourists or no tourists, my game has not changed.[/QUOTE]He is 100% right on about Pattaya now, curfew or no curfew. His game hasn't change. My game sorta morphed, meaning I still do what I did but without the lights and music and DJ. Saw one pretty hot chick surrounded by a bunch of dudes. A few brave souls tried to step up got, but ended up empty. Monkeypaw was on the hunt nearby. Quick aim, shoot, and I think you how the story ended.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2458937]The curfew has nothing to do with nothing. There is nothing that you need to do between the hours of 2300 and 0300 that were the curfew that you could not have done during the other 20 hours of the day; that includes Beach Road chicks. [/QUOTE]I disagree, timing is key. Before Corona, Beach Road was almost useless before 7-8 pm, and after 2 am or so. If top side of that window is reduced to 10 pm and girls reduced by 50%, not much is left, especially if you're aiming for more than one girl in a day, as I do in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2458937](usually to be found online). As usual, I give them 500 for ST and 1000 for LT.[/QUOTE]

You're achieving impressive prices; I'm definitely in your corner though not quite as determined; I end up paying 700-1000ST. However, finding girls online is not my thing at all, I prefer the approach where I can walk around in a place with substantial numbers, see someone I like, and be in her pussy 15 min later; Beach Road was at one point ideal for that.

For me, if propositioning girls on Line is the game, there's no point of a trip to Pattaya since I live in Bangkok and have a wider base of contacts here. But reheating old leftovers and is not my thing. I'm no fisherman and I have little patience to contact multiple fish, wait for them to bite and eventually arrive (better just jerk off and save 1000 baht).

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458954]Did you see the girls fight?[/QUOTE]Were they fighting over you?

[QUOTE=Allover;2459028]Were they fighting over you?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not. But lots of drinks knocked over and thrown. Spills everywhere.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2459026]I disagree, timing is key. Before Corona, Beach Road was almost useless before 7-8 pm, and after 2 am or so. If top side of that window is reduced to 10 pm and girls reduced by 50%, not much is left, especially if you're aiming for more than one girl in a day, as I do in Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]If chicks traditionally came out late, but they knew there was now a curfew, seems to me they would come out earlier if they still needed to make money. They are not doomed to come out only after 10 until all eternity damning whatever else is going on around them. They know how to adjust to the situation.

So go at 8 pm, walk down the street, and exchange contact info with the girls you like. You do not have to go to the grocery store to buy food to cook each meal you are hungry. You can go there to get food to stock your cupboards so when you are hungry you just pull something out and start cooking.

Same with online. I do not go online to find a chick to come over right now. I go online to stock my contacts. Then when I am ready for one I just draw from that bunch. But I get what you are saying. You like the fast food, drive thru method. But hell, these days it is not like the menu is changing. The same girls are going to be there each trip, so why not save yourself some time and get all the contacts at once.

I do not know where you stay when you come here, or what you do with these girls once you get them. But something worth noting is that there are no tourists here. That means pretty much everything from 2nd Road to Beach Road is closed. That means there is no lighting coming from businesses at night, so most places on Beach Road are pretty dark and the entire street is quiet as a mouse. I don't know if you ride motorbikes around and pick up the chicks or if you use short time hotels or whatever. But being no businesses open in the area also means there are no short time hotels open in the area. (Same as MP reported the other day that now even the Beach Road Starbucks has closed.) There are still motorbike taxis around though and I guess you could go with the girl on one of those if neither of you have a bike.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459090]So go at 8 pm, walk down the street, and exchange contact info with the girls you like. You do not have to go to the grocery store to buy food to cook each meal you are hungry. You can go there to get food to stock your cupboards so when you are hungry you just pull something out and start cooking.

Same with online. I do not go online to find a chick to come over right now. I go online to stock my contacts. Then when I am ready for one I just draw from that bunch. But I get what you are saying. You like the fast food, drive thru method. But hell, these days it is not like the menu is changing. The same girls are going to be there each trip, so why not save yourself some time and get all the contacts at once.

I do not know where you stay when you come here, or what you do with these girls once you get them. But something worth noting is that there are no tourists here. That means pretty much everything from 2nd Road to Beach Road is closed. That means there is no lighting coming from businesses at night, so most places on Beach Road are pretty dark and the entire street is quiet as a mouse. I don't know if you ride motorbikes around and pick up the chicks or if you use short tim[/QUOTE]Like your analogy. Now I don't know if I'm Hungry or Horny.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2459026]You're achieving impressive prices; I'm definitely in your corner though not quite as determined; I end up paying 700-1000ST. However, finding girls online is not my thing at all, I prefer the approach where I can walk around in a place with substantial numbers,[/QUOTE]I am not achieving anything. The amounts that I am saying now are the same amounts I have always said. People talk about going rates. These have always been the going rates that I have paid the last 14 years.

Last night I was fucking about after 11 pm. I was seeing what was going on since the cufew ended; which was not a got damn thing. I was about to head to Treetown after cruising Beach Road, but decided to go the other way down Buakhao to see if my favorite kebab place was open at the corner of 2nd Rd. Right before the market at Buakhao and Pattaya Tai I see a chick walking with her ass hanging out. I decided to turn around and go talk to her. She had just gone to get food and was going back home. I told her that I would give her a ride, so she climbed on burning my leg with the plastic bag of soup. It felt like the exhaust pipe on a motorcycle.

When we got to her place we traded Lines then I told her that she could just go get her things and come with me. She ran in and came out about 5 minutes later. I said where is your food? She had forgotten it and ran back in to get it. She said she had just come back to Pattaya from visiting her grandmother in Surin.

We went to look around. Riding down 2nd Rd (kebab place was closed), then to Soi Diana. I went down to Buakhao to show her where everyone hangs at Treetown now. It looked like Mad Max crossed with the Star Wars bar scene. She said I only see ladyboys. I pointed up showing her where the real women hang. I ended up getting a kebab from a place on Buakhao and we headed to my place.

She was 23 years old and had tattoos, double tongue piercings, and nipples pierced. She was standoffish at first, but when I took a shower and got in bed the freak came out of her. She could not get enough of my dick in her mouth. Whoever thought up the idea of rubbing metal back and forth across genitals was a good thing must have been high as fuck and the people that followed must be crazy as fuck. Not something I enjoy. But in the spirit of the moment I put up with it.

One more time this morning. Standard BBBBFSCIP that Pattaya is known for. At 1130 am I dropped her back to her room and handed her 1000 baht and she said she hopes to see me soon. My average, status quo, par for the course Pattaya night. The moral of the story is that all of Pattaya has substantial numbers and you can walk around and approach anyone. You do not need a Beach Road for that.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2459026]
You're achieving impressive prices; I'm definitely in your corner though not quite as determined; I end up paying 700-1000ST. [/QUOTE]Though it's interesting he never post pics of girls he is meeting.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2459157]Though it's interesting he never post pics of girls he is meeting.[/QUOTE]Well 700 is very cheap! I'd love to see how the girls look for this price? Because usually I pay between 1000 to 3000 to each girl but I take only young fresh and sexy girl who are between 19 to 25. Usually 25/26 iare the older girls I take. And when I pay 3000 it s usually when the girl ask me TIP because I fuck her bareback and do CIP! I'm a creampie addict!

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2459157]Though it's interesting he never post pics of girls he is meeting.[/QUOTE]Actually I have posted hundreds of pictures of chicks that I have met in at least 50 countries on this very website. However, you sir, have posted none. That is what is interesting.

I am not here to prove anything to you. I am here to share information as the owner says is the purpose of this forum. Take it or leave it. Just like a mf to complain about something he is getting for free. As a matter of fact, I will just put you on ignore so you will no longer have to worry about what I never do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459187]Actually I have posted hundreds of pictures of chicks that I have met in at least 50 countries on this very website. However, you sir, have posted none. That is what is interesting.
[/QUOTE]I have written reports about gogo girls with names / number, agency girls, various massage shop girls, and dating site girls, so that if someone meets them, they know what to expect. I don't write report about nightclub girls because I won't reveal the identity of girl, which makes the information pretty useless, as no one can find her there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459187]
I am not here to prove anything to you. I am here to share information as the owner says is the purpose of this forum. Take it or leave it. Just like a mf to complain about something he is getting for free. As a matter of fact, I will just put you on ignore so you will no longer have to worry about what I never do.[/QUOTE]I don't want to put you on spot or anything. I believe you completely that you're getting girls for 500 b ST. Heck even in Bangkok my DMs on Line / tinder are filled with girls asking 1000 b for ST.

But for a new monger who might visit Thailand for the first time, your reports are pretty misleading. Your report says someone can get girls for 500 b, but what kind? That you have skipped very conveniently. And you're fine with sharing screenshots of chats to hammer the point that you actually paid 500 b (hmm now that you want to prove to everyone) but don't want to post pics of those "hot" girls.

Edit: I noticed he later edited his post and mentioned he has me on ignore list now, obviously he don't want me to call his bullshit again. What a baby LOL

For all the new mongers who will visit Thailand sometime in future, I just have to say that don't believe one person's reports. There are many great posters here, and many forums on internet. Read them all, which will give you a good idea of quality and price. Last thing you want is trying to get a hot girl and offering her 500b because Mr-bragging-I-get-hot-girls-for-500b said it.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2459191]I have written reports about gogo girls with names / number, agency girls, various massage shop girls, and dating site girls, so that if someone meets them, they know what to expect. I don't write report about nightclub girls because I won't reveal the identity of girl, which makes the information pretty useless, as no one can find her there.[/QUOTE]And where are the pictures of these girls? Pictures that you have taken yourself, not pictures that anyone can copy from a dating site or gogo website and use for a made up report? What to expect? You can not say that another person should expect the same experience as you. Everybody in this hobby knows that YMMV.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2459191]I don't want to put you on spot or anything. I believe you completely that you're getting girls for 500 b ST. Heck even in Bangkok my DMs on Line / tinder are filled with girls asking 1000 b for ST.

But for a new monger who might visit Thailand for the first time, your reports are pretty misleading. And you're fine with sharing screenshots of chats to hammer the point that you actually paid 500 b [/QUOTE]My reports are not misleading at all. If you are reading my screenshots then you will know the difference between them and what you are saying. And this is something that I have ALWAYS said whether it has to do with women or shirts or taxis or anything else I have reported about spending money on around this place. AN ASKING PRICE IS NOT THE SAME AS A PAYING PRICE.

You have stated that your DMs are filled with chicks ASKING 1000 baht. When I post a screenshot it shows what the chick asked AND me talking her down to what I want to pay. Why is it so hard to understand that YOU PAY WHAT YOU NEGOTIATE. If you took the price that you were told and did not negotiate that is on you. But you can not say that because we both walked into Mike's shopping mall and you bought a shirt from a vendor for 400 baht and I walked in later and bought the same type shirt from the same vendor for 200 baht, that something was inferior about my shirt. No. It is beause when you were told 400 baht, that is what you paid. Whereas when I was told 400 baht I said no fucking way; I will give you 200 baht.

Same way that I have walked into a shop to buy a fake watch. I have watched people that were being served before me buy those watches for 6000 baht because that is the price they were told. I keep my fucking mouth shut. When they leave and it is my turn, I can buy the same watch for 2500 baht because I will negotiate! The shit holds the same when you replace shirts or watches with women. That is the same reason that I walk down Soi 6 and a chick says 1000 baht for me and 300 baht for the room, but I end up paying 700 baht for her and 300 baht for the room. They are not starting off at 700 baht. They are starting off at the same 1000 baht that you were told.

100 chicks in the gogo all go for 3000 baht. Does that mean all 100 look like Marilyn Monroe? No. Most of those chicks look like Pluto the dog. You can get a pretty chick for 500 baht, or you can get an ugly chick for 3000 baht. What you pay says nothing to how the chick looks. Besides, most of the screenshots that I post the chicks ASK for 2000 baht anyway. So why are you skipping over that? They must look pretty good to ask for 2000 baht right? Or do they not look good at all because I am able to talk them down?

For the 1,000th time, I have sense enough to negotiate and not pay the given or asking price. That does not mean something is wrong with the girl; that means something is right with me. So yes, if you come here and think a chick is going to tell you 500 baht short time or 1000 baht long time off the bat then that is not true and I have NEVER purported that to be true. What I have said is to negotiate for a better price than the one you are initially given. And I have given countless examples of how it is done, whether it has been with girls or taxis or tailors or souvenirs.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2458918]This type of stuff like last night is usually staged or someone on the BH is on the shit list! The shit list could be a number of things like he is a foreign older not paying his share or the bigger boys who run TreeTown is jealous or just don't like him?

Phase 4 opening current portion is to allow those with restaurant and liquor license to open. Treetown has both from what I'm hearing as for BeerHub that might not be the case plus they seem to be foreign owned?[/QUOTE]So the problem seems to be that you can only partake in alcohol in a restaurant while you are having a meal! You can not just go into a restaurant for drinks.

"Pattaya authorities are threatening some establishments with closure unless they meet the criteria for reopening. These include only serving alcohol to customers who are having a meal".

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/pattaya-officials-threaten-bars-masquerading-as-restaurants-with-closure-video[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459201]
For the 1,000th time, I have sense enough to negotiate and not pay the given or asking price. That does not mean something is wrong with the girl; that means something is right with me. So yes, if you come here and think a chick is going to tell you 500 baht short time or 1000 baht long time off the bat then that is not true and I have NEVER purported that to be true. What I have said is to negotiate for a better price than the one you are initially given. And I have given countless examples of how it is done, whether it has been with girls or taxis or tailors or souvenirs.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested in your negotiations skills. I didn't ask how you negotiate.

I'm not interested in what kind of girls you meet. I didn't ask.

I don't deny you meeting girls for 500 b, because it's possible in Thailand, I've seen it myself.

I made a point, that you don't post pics of girls you meet for 500 b. And if you're going to keep insisting by writing it about in your every second post, that you're negotiating hottest girls in Thailand to 500 b for ST / LT, and happy to share chats but won't share pics of them. Well you can disagree but your posts are misinformative and misleading. Your point about "they start with 2000b and I negotiate them down to 500" is useless, you're assuming just because she asked 2000b, she is pretty. I don't judge a girl's looks by what they ask, I judge a girl's looks by....their looks.

I've made my point already, and I refrain from long arguments on internet forums, unless a new argument needs to be made.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2459204]I'm not interested in your negotiations skills. I didn't ask how you negotiate.

I'm not interested in what kind of girls you meet. I didn't ask.

I don't deny you meeting girls for 500 b, because it's possible in Thailand, I've seen it myself.

I made a point, that you don't post pics of girls you meet for 500 b. And if you're going to keep insisting by writing it about in your every second post, that you're negotiating hottest girls in Thailand to 500 b for ST / LT, and happy to share chats but won't share pics of them. Well you can disagree but your posts are misinformative and misleading. Your point about "they start with 2000b and I negotiate them down to 500" is useless, you're assuming just because she asked 2000b, she is pretty. I don't judge a girl's looks by what they ask, I judge a girl's looks by....their looks.

I've made my point already, and I refrain from long arguments on internet forums, unless a new argument needs to be made.[/QUOTE]Gargano, my advice to you is that it is futile to argue with someone whose only purpose on this site is to attempt to boost his ego.

The subject of the tariff of girls in Pattaya (and elsewhere) regularly agitates the threads. It's a recurring topic. There are exactly the same debates on a French speaking monger website. The supporters tear each other apart in the same way and at the same prices as on ISG.

I think everyone is a little right.

Depending on whether we look like young Justin Bieber or an old geezer like me, we won't necessarily pay the same price. I made some gogos bars with a young Japanese a few months ago and I assure you that all the girls were absolutely crazy about him and they showed to him. Negotiating a young girl from the Sapphyr or the Palace at 500 baht for him I think it's quite possible. It is completely impossible for me.

Conversely, I too could find a junkie or a big ugly at 500 Baths on Beach road. But I won't either.

As far as I'm concerned the truth is in between. For my part I pay between minimum 1200 baths + tip for an ST in massage shop and 2000/2500 baths for an LT (which I do very rarely), never more (or only exceptionally). This is my price list. The compromise that I found between the range of girls that I like and the prices that I am ready to pay in Pattaya. But I also don't try to really negotiate unless the price seems unreasonable.

The context, the place, the state of mind, what we are looking for at this moment, the "beauty" (eminently subjective parameter) and the age of the monger and that of the girl and even the time, everything that (and undoubtedly others) are parameters that should be known and put into equation to be able to explain the prices. But we rarely know them all when we read them on a thread. I hardly ever give them either. Too subjective.

But again, I think the fair price is what we are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2458910]Don't hold your breath just like don't hold your breath Walking Street will be gone.[/QUOTE]At 8p, the police showed up in force at Tree Town. Four pickups full of police and a couple on motos. They shut down Soul City and left. I was expecting more. They went around and closed other venues last night. Beer Hub was closed over social distancing, according to rumor.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/17/pattaya-police-warn-if-your-primary-business-is-selling-alcohol-or-violating-social-distancing-you-will-be-shut-restaurant-license-or-not/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458954]Did you see the girls fight?[/QUOTE]I did Not.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2459212]The subject of the tariff of girls in Pattaya (and elsewhere) regularly agitates the threads. It's a recurring topic. There are exactly the same debates on a French speaking monger website. The supporters tear each other apart in the same way and at the same prices as on ISG.

I think everyone is a little right.

Depending on whether we look like young Justin Bieber or an old geezer like me, we won't necessarily pay the same price. I made some gogos bars with a young Japanese a few months ago and I assure you that all the girls were absolutely crazy about him and they showed to him. Negotiating a young girl from the Sapphyr or the Palace at 500 baht for him I think it's quite possible. It is completely impossible for me.

Conversely, I too could find a junkie or a big ugly at 500 Baths on Beach road. But I won't either.

As far as I'm concerned the truth is in between. For my part I pay between minimum 1200 baths + tip for an ST in massage shop and 2000/2500 baths for an LT (which I do very rarely), never more (or only exceptionally). This is my price list. The compromise that I found between the range of girls that I like and the prices that I am ready to pay in Pattaya. But I also don't try to really negotiate unless the price seems unreasonable..[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. I never found girls less 1000. I'm 38 and good looking. But usually I pay girls between 1000 to maximum 3000. And I do always BBFS + CIP.

I feel it comes down to the situation the girl finds herself in at any given time, that is how badly she needs money and also how easy it for her to get tricks.

If because of her looks and age she gets very little action needs money she will go for 500 baht. Why go home empty handed especially if the "John' seems convivial and maybe offers to take her for a meal first. Also possible she could be a little horny.

On the other hand a good looking girl who can get easily 2 k plus because she checks all the boxes is extremely unlikely to fuck for 500. Not saying it hasn't ever happened and will be more likely where the John is familiar with the local situation but in my experience over 20 years here the old adage applies most of the time you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2459213]

I did Not.[/QUOTE]Excuse me if I meddle with something that doesn't concern me but there was also another interesting question asked by Allover: "Were they fighting over you? I am also interested in the answer.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2458954]Did you see the girls fight?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2459213]At 8p, the police showed up in force at Tree Town. Four pickups full of police and a couple on motos. They shut down Soul City and left. I was expecting more. They went around and closed other venues last night. Beer Hub was closed over social distancing, according to rumor.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/17/pattaya-police-warn-if-your-primary-business-is-selling-alcohol-or-violating-social-distancing-you-will-be-shut-restaurant-license-or-not/[/URL]

I did Not.[/QUOTE]Like I said I wouldn't hold my breath this seems a bit standard to me to note just my opinion. I called it show and tell this is what this government is all about and it so calls leaders in town and the province of Chon Buri. It won't continue for very long they are true to their M. O. In the beginning but never there in the end. Just like their own law about riding in the back of a pickup truck.

You got groups foreigners who like to push the envelope where it is clearly noted you got to be a restaurant first then you can serve liquor. Then you take a place like Beer Hub who has the license for the restaurant but not know to serve food has his paperwork in place but violating social distancing? Look around you got to laugh. I think there was a Youtube video of the manager walking around filming why was he closed when all this other stuff was happening maybe because he is associated with the Nightwish group although their leader has some influence he has also made a lot of distractors. The BIB pick and chose their targets for a reason.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2458741]You can always put me on your Ignore list and then you can complain about how old, fat, ugly and unskilled the women are in the oilies and massage shops you keep returning to without distraction.[/QUOTE]Don't worry! All the men fuck ladies bareback now in Bangkok, Pattaya or PP. Even girls don't ask condoms anymore! And when they ask us to put condoms, it's just because they want more money! I remember a very sexy girl in soi 6 in bar Angels play, she asked me before we go room if I've condoms! I said NO! And she told me she had condoms! And after shower and many kisses, and after I lick her pussy long time! I put my dick directly inside her pussy and she told me I can fuck her without condom but I must give her 500 more! I said OK and I come inside her pussy!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459256]Don't worry! All the men fuck ladies bareback now in Bangkok, Pattaya or PP. Even girls don't ask condoms anymore! And when they ask us to put condoms, it's just because they want more money! I remember a very sexy girl in soi 6 in bar Angels play, she asked me before we go room if I've condoms! I said NO! And she told me she had condoms! And after shower and many kisses, and after I lick her pussy long time! I put my dick directly inside her pussy and she told me I can fuck her without condom but I must give her 500 more! I said OK and I come inside her pussy![/QUOTE]Ah yes I remember! This is the one I fucked just before you. I had a warm pee.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459256]Don't worry! All the men fuck ladies bareback now in Bangkok, Pattaya or PP. Even girls don't ask condoms anymore! And when they ask us to put condoms, it's just because they want more money! I remember a very sexy girl in soi 6 in bar Angels play, she asked me before we go room if I've condoms! I said NO! And she told me she had condoms! And after shower and many kisses, and after I lick her pussy long time! I put my dick directly inside her pussy and she told me I can fuck her without condom but I must give her 500 more! I said OK and I come inside her pussy![/QUOTE]Yes, I realize a "go with the flow in the room" approach can often turn out to be a BBFS+CIP session. I don't know about "all" girls agreeing to it at crunch time with or without an offer of extra money. I certainly have had plenty of girls still say No to it in the room at any price and mean it.

However, I am generally trying to achieve a certain result that is quite different from what I typically read here regarding getting a BBFS+CIP session with a girl, paid or free, and it does not fit a "go with the flow in the room" approach.

See, my usual goal is to secure an upfront agreement from the girl to provide it to me before we walk away together toward my room, even before we meet in person in the case of a dating site or online first encounter.

What I am trying to avoid and am willing to pay extra to avoid is more than merely avoiding wearing a condom (a no go for sex with me). I am actually trying to avoid any further discussion about it in the room or at crunch time no matter how brief, fleeting, non confrontational and eventually agreeble to it that brief discussion at crunch time might turn out to be.

I don't even want to hear the word "condom" uttered in the room. I want all of that settled outside or online before we take a single step toward my room together.

That adds a spin to the mission that I don't think many other punters attempt. And good for them for not requiring it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459325]Yes, I realize a "go with the flow in the room" approach can often turn out to be a BBFS+CIP session. I don't know about "all" girls agreeing to it at crunch time with or without an offer of extra money. I certainly have had plenty of girls still say No to it in the room at any price and mean it.

However, I am generally trying to achieve a certain result that is quite different from what I typically read here regarding getting a BBFS+CIP session with a girl, paid or free, and it does not fit a "go with the flow in the room" approach.[/QUOTE]But you even don't need to ask the girl before that you want fuck her bareback. Usually if you re nice, treat them good, they don t ask you to put condoms.

And sometimes and it s very funny, but you already fuck them bareback and during the act, the lady just say "you don t want put condom?" LOL.

And you just answer you don t like because you re not horny with condoms and they let you fuck them bareback!

You know girls don t care now to use condoms!

But they care to use a mask because of Covid 19? LOL.

And I remember before each time I used thai condoms, the condom was broken after use.

I fucked so many sexy ladies in SOI 6 in bars Wicked, Jungle bar, Avarice, where Angels play, Sex in the city and in gogos in soi LK.

And I don t speak about the girls in Bangkok and Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459339]But you even don't need to ask the girl before that you want fuck her bareback. Usually if you re nice, treat them good, they don t ask you to put condoms.

And sometimes and it s very funny, but you already fuck them bareback and during the act, the lady just say "you don t want put condom?" LOL.

And you just answer you don t like because you re not horny with condoms and they let you fuck them bareback!

You know girls don t care now to use condoms!

But they care to use a mask because of Covid 19? LOL.

And I remember before each time I used thai condoms, the condom was broken after use.

I fucked so many sexy ladies in SOI 6 in bars Wicked, Jungle bar, Avarice, where Angels play, Sex in the city and in gogos in soi LK.

And I don t speak about the girls in Bangkok and Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]"And sometimes and it s very funny, but you already fuck them bareback and during the act, the lady just say "you don t want put condom?" LOL.

And you just answer you don t like because you re not horny with condoms and they let you fuck them bareback!"
...

Yep, that would already be 100% more conversation in the room and in my bed about condoms than I am interested in having anymore with any ladies.

To me, it would be well worth 500-1000 baht more in an upfront negotiation to avoid even that much of a conversation about condoms in the room even if not negotiating anything at all upfront meant the girl would accept 700 baht for ST! LOL.

Your record of success in getting BBFS+CIM is much, much higher than mine. I assure you I am nice to every girl I take. But many ladies I have chosen have gasped in shock, stopped everything cold, put their hand over their pussy, closed their legs or wiggled away in retreat as far along as at the very moment of penetration after an otherwise lovely, happy and fun time together leading right up to it.

And then they have refused to change their mind for any amount of additional money. Well, I've never offered as much as 5,000 baht more or anything like that.

That includes many girls I have chosen in Pattaya over the years.

But, by far, most of my mongering in Thailand is in Bangkok. And, frankly, I think I can count on just the fingers and not the thumb of one hand the number of girls in Pattaya I see and engage with on a typical trip there that I would be inspired to go through any hassle at all to fuck for more than 700 baht as it is. So I am probably passing up dozens of offers each day I spend in Pattaya that would no doubt lead to a no conversation BBFS+CIP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459390]
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Your record of success in getting BBFS+CIM is much, much higher than mine.
...[/QUOTE]Of course, I meant to type BBFS+CIP there 😁

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2459238]I feel it comes down to the situation the girl finds herself in at any given time, that is how badly she needs money and also how easy it for her to get tricks.

If because of her looks and age she gets very little action needs money she will go for 500 baht. Why go home empty handed especially if the "John' seems convivial and maybe offers to take her for a meal first. Also possible she could be a little horny.

On the other hand a good looking girl who can get easily 2 k plus because she checks all the boxes is extremely unlikely to fuck for 500. Not saying it hasn't ever happened and will be more likely where the John is familiar with the local situation but in my experience over 20 years here the old adage applies most of the time you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]You sure? You sure you sure?

500 is a lot of money. Even for a hot Babygirl girl.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459413]Of course, I meant to type BBFS+CIP there 😁[/QUOTE]Maybe you're not lucky with ladies. Ladies never ask me to wear condoms! I'm just very nice guy with them, I treat them well, like if they were my true girlfriend! I even say them I'd love to fucl them very often, each time I come Pattaya! I love to kiss them, to lick their pussy during 20 minutes minimum and usually they let me fuck them bareback! And each time I come inside their pussy! They love that! They're just scare to be pregnant! LOL.

Let's come back to Earth and look at the timeline below from TF.

The screenshot was taken one hour after I messaged the girl. She advertised 1 m75 which is tall by the standard of Thai girls on the game.

Only a percentage of girls I message on TF bother to reply. Another percentage of those who reply do not read my reply to their own initial reply. She was still online when I did the screenshot but she is now offline. It is difficult to say whether this particular girl was ready to accept my counteroffer of 1500 as she didn't even read it. Indeed had I accepted her offer of 2000 she wouldn't have read it either. She doesn't even qualify so far as a girl I can fuck ST for 2000.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459465]Maybe you're not lucky with ladies. Ladies never ask me to wear condoms! I'm just very nice guy with them, I treat them well, like if they were my true girlfriend! I even say them I'd love to fucl them very often, each time I come Pattaya! I love to kiss them, to lick their pussy during 20 minutes minimum and usually they let me fuck them bareback! And each time I come inside their pussy! They love that! They're just scare to be pregnant! LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's probably it.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459665]Let's come back to Earth and look at the timeline below from TF.

The screenshot was taken one hour after I messaged the girl. She advertised 1 m75 which is tall by the standard of Thai girls on the game.

Only a percentage of girls I message on TF bother to reply. Another percentage of those who reply do not read my reply to their own initial reply. She was still online when I did the screenshot but she is now offline. It is difficult to say whether this particular girl was ready to accept my counteroffer of 1500 as she didn't even read it. Indeed had I accepted her offer of 2000 she wouldn't have read it either. She doesn't even qualify so far as a girl I can fuck ST for 2000.[/QUOTE]Did you zoom in on her first TF profile pic to see what appears to be her (clothed) full body reflection in the mirror? Hard to tell in that pic. Might not be her. If it is, she might be a lot chunkier for her height than her stated stats suggest.

Not saying that is an immediate deal killer. To each his own and sometimes chunky or even quite chunky is still fun. Variety is the spice of life and all that. But until she reads, finalizes, agrees to show up and then actually shows up for a session she knows she remains in your mind as this hotter, more idealized girl than she really is.

That is a pleasant place to be for some of these girls and, even if they need the money, they often try to prolong the fantasy as much as possible.

On dating sites, some of them never leave that fantasy world where they are younger, slimmer, hotter than they are or as they used to be and it's all about wasting men's time checking out how much we might have been willing to pay them based on those outdated pics and stats.

For others it's a constant delay to reply, delay to agree to move the conversation to Line (where there are more potentially damning pics and that scary video chat option), delay to video chat, long delay to show up and all that crap.

Btw, on ThaiFriendly she can read your short replies in full either on the Inbox messages option or on an email notification that you sent her a message without clicking on the message directly or even visiting your profile again. Chances are she has already seen your 1,500 baht counter offer and the request to give you her Line info.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459665]
The screenshot was taken one hour after I messaged the girl. She advertised 1 m75 which is tall by the standard of Thai girls on the game.
[/QUOTE]175 cm and 60 kg are standard setups on TF if the girl does not update her profile with her real height and weight.

The screenshot below shows my latest messaged girls in the TF outbox.

It can be seen that only 1 girl out of 5 showed an interest. Her Line pics were a big turn off compared to the pic she had on TF so I ghosted her.

The other ones either didn't respond or didn't do so beyond tossing me an offer. My pricing policy is not to go higher than 1500 (ST) but directly to accept 1500.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459675]But until she reads, finalizes, agrees to show up and then actually shows up for a session she knows she remains in your mind as this hotter, more idealized girl than she really is.

For others it's a constant delay to reply, delay to agree to move the conversation to Line (where there are more potentially damning pics and that scary video chat option), delay to video chat, long delay to show up and all that crap.

Btw, on ThaiFriendly she can read your short replies in full either on the Inbox messages option or on an email notification that you sent her a message without clicking on the message directly or even visiting your profile again. Chances are she has already seen your 1,500 baht counter offer and the request to give you her Line info.[/QUOTE]You give these chicks too much credit as if they are of the Monkey Paw school of deep penetrating thought. They are not out here using psychology on guys that they believe they are staying in guys' minds that they have not even talked to.

Have you seen these chicks' mailbox? The truth of the matter is that you are lucky if your mail is one of the ones they have chosen to read because they can get 100 in a matter of minutes. So it is not that they are trying to play with your mind or hype themselves up, as much as it is you getting lost in the shuffle. As for something being in an email, they can not even remember usernames and passwords to put their old Line on a new phone. Most that I have ever talked to have no clue as to what their email password is. Even I have the email when receive message function turned off and I don't receive one tenth of the messages that chicks on dating sites receive.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459694]The screenshot below shows my latest messaged girls in the TF outbox.

It can be seen that only 1 girl out of 5 showed an interest. Her Line pics were a big turn off compared to the pic she had on TF so I ghosted her.

The other ones either didn't respond or didn't do so beyond tossing me an offer. My pricing policy is not to go higher than 1500 (ST) but directly to accept 1500.[/QUOTE]Just like at the GoGo bars, there is a "game" to be played even on ThaiFriendly. And those who play it best, usually get what they want. And money is only one factor in this game. Hint: Some of the girls play the same game with you. This is not Soi 6 (XXL is Soi 6 aficionado) or GoGo bar where they have to sit and chat for drinks and commission and salary. So they don't need to get to know anybody. They also don't have that extra pressure from mamasan or the boss. If these girls are freelancing on their own, they will be more selective. I have a capture rate (response with price on ThaiFriendly of about 95% So out of 100 girls I message, 95 will give me a price. I have a kill rate (girls I fuck out of those who respond of 60% It goes lower because I start screening them after getting a price and their LINE and didn't like what I found. But anyways, yeah beef up your ThaiFriendly game.

P.S. The other ones you have on your screenshot are out of my specs in age, weight, or height.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459709]You give these chicks too much credit as if they are of the Monkey Paw school of deep penetrating thought. They are not out here using psychology on guys that they believe they are staying in guys' minds that they have not even talked to.

Have you seen these chicks' mailbox? The truth of the matter is that you are lucky if your mail is one of the ones they have chosen to read because they can get 100 in a matter of minutes. So it is not that they are trying to play with your mind or hype themselves up, as much as it is you getting lost in the shuffle. As for something being in an email, they can not even remember usernames and passwords to put their old Line on a new phone. Most that I have ever talked to have no clue as to what their email password is. Even I have the email when receive message function turned off and I don't receive one tenth of the messages that chicks on dating sites receive.[/QUOTE]My bet is that girl won't get booked today for any amount of money even if she has 100 mesages in her TF Inbox. Or, if she does get booked, it won't be through TF. It will be from just walking around and reaching out to a potential customer passing by. At which point she very well might go for 700 baht.

I have eventually met many FLs who did exactly what that one did with XXL and the others in his screenshot are likely doing. They throw out a wide net, blanket that site and others with clicks or the first reply and then go back to helping their sister sell food cart noodles.

Funny thing is once I have coaxed and convinced them not to worry so much about how they look vs their pics and so on and to actually show up for that first session, from that day forward they are available to come over any hour of any day or night I Line them and tell them to come over.

And that doesn't count the amount of pestering I get from them every day, multiple times per day asking when they can see me again.

I am sure the 100 messages in their Inbox every day didn't suddenly stop after they had their frist session with me.

Unless Pattaya is wildly different than Bangkok in this regard, having 100 messages and replies in their Inbox might be good for their ego. But after you toss out the guys who are not even in Thailand, guys who are not in Pattaya, the guys who are just goofing around, the guys who have no extra money, are too shy or weird to meet or whatever, it definitely does not automatically translate into 100 eager customers waiting to meet and give her money for sex any minute now.

I doubt it even translates into 3 guys with money, time and the opportunity to meet today. And 2 of those guys are probably going to pick someone else if not all 3 of them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459720]But after you toss out the guys who are not even in Thailand, guys who are not in Pattaya, the guys who are just goofing around, the guys who have no extra money, are too shy or weird to meet or whatever, it definitely does not automatically translate into 100 eager customers waiting to meet and give her money for sex any minute now.
[/QUOTE]Exactly. But they still have to weed through all 100. And just because he asked about how much does not mean he is in Pattaya. Guys in all these threads go around dating sites trying to line up chicks for when they get to whatever town. It trips me out when they make a report saying she wants this much. Yeah but you are 8000 miles and 6 months away. It is smarter to try to get prices and negotiate when you have boots on the ground.

I have said before that if you call down to the car dealership they are going to tell you the sticker price. You are just a general inquirer. If you show up with a bag of cash you can pay much lower than that price given on the phone because you are a serious immediate buyer.

Maybe it would be better if he starts off saying that he is in Pattaya to establish himself as a serious immediate buyer instead of only saying how much, which many bullshitters are probably doing as well? They may even start lower than 2,000 if he establishes his locality first.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459723]...

Maybe it would be better if he starts off saying that he is in Pattaya to establish himself as a serious immediate buyer instead of only saying how much, which many bullshitters are probably doing as well? They may even start lower than 2,000 if he establishes his locality first.[/QUOTE]Well, my locality was there for any girl to see in my profile. I had a translation in Thai in my profile but I erased the Thai after someone advised to try and look like a clueless newbie, not like an old-hand who already knows something of the language.

Anyways, maybe girls I message cannot be expected to check my profile. What can they be expected to do then? Not much it seems.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459733]Well, my locality was there for any girl to see in my profile. I had a translation in Thai in my profile but I erased the Thai after someone advised to try and look like a clueless newbie, not like an old-hand who already knows something of the language.

Anyways, maybe girls I message cannot be expected to check my profile. What can they be expected to do then? Not much it seems.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah they are not reading any profiles brother. You have to write whatever you want them to know in the message. If you have written something in your profile then you wasted your time. Remember these are simple uneducated farmers, not Oxford scholars. That does not just go for Thailand, but that is my experience around the entire world. I have been on TF for 15 years and my profile has always said Thailand, yet the first question I am usually asked is if I am in Thailand. Then I am asked how old I am. Yep. They could have read all that before they even said hello, but they don't.

A funny thing that I notice is that some chicks say "Read my profile first" in their title. Then I look and it says absolutely nothing. When I go over to Line and a chick asks my name then I send them this picture in response. They get happy and say how much you give me. I say you are looking how much. A picture is worth 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459737]yet the first question I am usually asked is if I am in Thailand. Then I am asked how old I am.[/QUOTE]Maybe they read it and have had to deal with so many lying deadbeats that they have to check again? I hear that's a problem for them in the same way that we find out that they might be 10 years older and 30 lb fatter than they claim.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459465]I treat them well, like if they were my true girlfriend! I even say them I'd love to fucl them very often, each time I come Pattaya! I love to kiss them, to lick their pussy during 20 minutes minimum [/QUOTE]For the favour you are doing the girls, they should be paying you dude. LOL. Just for laughs no offense.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459694]The screenshot below shows my latest messaged girls in the TF outbox.

It can be seen that only 1 girl out of 5 showed an interest. Her Line pics were a big turn off compared to the pic she had on TF so I ghosted her.[/QUOTE]When a girl uses a phone number as a profile name there's a big chance that you can add her directly on Line by using that phone number. It was the case with that girl so you didn't need to ask her Line ID in the first place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459737]I have been on TF for 15 years and my profile has always said Thailand, yet the first question I am usually asked is if I am in Thailand. Then I am asked how old I am. Yep. They could have read all that before they even said hello, but they don't. [/QUOTE]Some guys put Thailand in their location when they are visiting Thailand and don't change the location once they go back home but still look at TF, that's also why they keep asking where you are located.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2459737]LOL. Yeah they are not reading any profiles brother. You have to write whatever you want them to know in the message. If you have written something in your profile then you wasted your time. Remember these are simple uneducated farmers, not Oxford scholars. That does not just go for Thailand, but that is my experience around the entire world. I have been on TF for 15 years and my profile has always said Thailand, yet the first question I am usually asked is if I am in Thailand. Then I am asked how old I am. Yep. They could have read all that before they even said hello, but they don't.
... [/QUOTE]LOL. The first thing many of them ask me is what is my name, which I not only tell them in the first sentence of my profile statement but it is also right there in my account name! And it is a very common farang name they probably heard 100 times.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2459756]Some guys put Thailand in their location when they are visiting Thailand and don't change the location once they go back home but still look at TF, that's also why they keep asking where you are located.[/QUOTE]Some of the apps must track IP addresses to prevent scammers or fraudulent posts like that. I was once temporarily banned from Filippino Cupid within a week of returning home with my location still set as incountry.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459783]LOL. The first thing many of them ask me is what is my name, which I not only tell them in the first sentence of my profile statement but it is also right there in my account name! And it is a very common farang name they probably heard 100 times.[/QUOTE]Yep and then you need to have the exact same conversation a second time when you switch to WhatsApp etc.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459783]LOL. The first thing many of them ask me is what is my name, which I not only tell them in the first sentence of my profile statement but it is also right there in my account name! And it is a very common farang name they probably heard 100 times.[/QUOTE]That is a fair question. A lot of guys me and Mr. E roll with have aliases for use in Thailand and Philippines. Sometimes it's easier for girls to pronounce basic names. Plus if you got a stable of 100 girls you probably don't want all them having your government name if things go left. They probably can find it out if you use an Asian sim card or through your hotel.

[QUOTE=XXL;2459694]The screenshot below shows my latest messaged girls in the TF outbox.

It can be seen that only 1 girl out of 5 showed an interest. Her Line pics were a big turn off compared to the pic she had on TF so I ghosted her.

The other ones either didn't respond or didn't do so beyond tossing me an offer. My pricing policy is not to go higher than 1500 (ST) but directly to accept 1500.[/QUOTE]1 out of 5 is good enough for an online dating site compared to the regular ones like tinder pof etc. But why do want to fuck a 34 year old. My preference is always 18-25 max beyond which is a mechanical sex experience.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2459668]Yeah, that's probably it.[/QUOTE]Here is one of the best working girls I fuck all the time each time I go back Pattaya! She worked in many many bars and gogos in Patt! In Soi 6 and Soi LK and many others! She loves to fuck! She's in my top 5 ! Last time I went in her bar and she gave me a nice blowjob in the bar in front of the other girls! Then she let me finger her and I kissed her with deep french kisses! She doesn't like kiss too much but if you really want she let you do! I was so horny, then I go fuck her in the room upstairs the bar. I paid 400 for the room and 1500ST for her. I know could pay only 1000 but she was good with me so I gave her 1500.

We did a great fuck and she asked me to come inside her pussy! I was surprised she asked me that! Usually I always do but girls don't ask!

Then quickly after we went to take shower together, and she let me fuck her again few minutes in the shower!

And now each time I go back Patt, she comes my hotel room directly and I don't pay barfine!

[QUOTE=Cool;2459825]That is a fair question. A lot of guys me and Mr. E roll with have aliases for use in Thailand and Philippines. [/QUOTE]I tried that Secret Squirrel 007 stuff for a while too:

1/ I was too stupid to remember which lie I told to which girl.

2/ if the girls think I have nothing to hide then they can't threaten or black mail me.

3/ Any one who pretends that girls can't get our true identities if they seriously want to is only fooling one person, themselves.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2459715]Just like at the GoGo bars, there is a "game" to be played even on ThaiFriendly. And those who play it best, usually get what they want. And money is only one factor in this game. Hint: Some of the girls play the same game with you. This is not Soi 6 (XXL is Soi 6 aficionado) or GoGo bar where they have to sit and chat for drinks and commission and salary. So they don't need to get to know anybody. They also don't have that extra pressure from mamasan or the boss. If these girls are freelancing on their own, they will be more selective. I have a capture rate (response with price on ThaiFriendly of about 95% So out of 100 girls I message, 95 will give me a price. I have a kill rate (girls I fuck out of those who respond of 60% It goes lower because I start screening them after getting a price and their LINE and didn't like what I found. But anyways, yeah beef up your ThaiFriendly game.

P.S. The other ones you have on your screenshot are out of my specs in age, weight, or height.[/QUOTE]Here is the other 2. Just for you. I'll give them when we meet tomorrow. They are not my specs, but MP is always there when you need a helping paw or two.

Hi guys,

I picked up a lot of good intel from the members of this forum, which was a tremendous help for my visit to Pattaya last year. I will be happy to share some reports but I'm not sure it will be helpful right now as most of us are on lock down.

Lately there have been some mixed messages on the board, which directly affect my future plans:

On the one hand, I read that things are dry with no business for the girls so pickings are easy to the point that you can get 3000 baht gogo girls for 1000, and other girls for 500 to 700. According to this info, I will be booking a ticket as soon things open up to take advantage of this rare occurrence (lock down).

On the other hand, girls are so busy getting 100 messages a day that you would be lucky if they even see your message, let alone respond. In which case I will wait until things get back to normal before traveling to Thailand.

I would like to note that my experience in Pattaya when I was there last year (summer / low season), is that almost every girl that I messaged responded. It was also the case that if I just viewed a girls profile I would find that they also looked at mine and sent me an interest, even if I didn't message them.

I am in my early 40's and fit but by no means a 'hansum man'. But I usually paid between 1000 - 1500, some average, some below, some stunners. And I usually got messages from the girls the next day for a repeat. Though I opted to always look for greener grass which I now regret (with the stunners).

Which of the two is it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2459465]I'm just very nice guy with them, I treat them well, like if they were my true girlfriend! I even say them I'd love to fucl them very often, each time I come Pattaya! I love to kiss them, to lick their pussy during 20 minutes minimum and usually they let me fuck them bareback![/QUOTE]Proof positive that romance is not dead.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2459904]1/ I was too stupid to remember which lie I told to which girl.[/QUOTE]"If you tell truth you don't have to remember anything" (generally attributed, probably wrongly, to Mark Twain).

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2460053]"If you tell truth you don't have to remember anything" (generally attributed, probably wrongly, to Mark Twain).[/QUOTE]Interesting quote. Twain lied about his name too.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2460047]Proof positive that romance is not dead.[/QUOTE]But I'm true romantic boy! I just love girls so much that I love to make love with many girls! Even if I fuck a working girl, a pornstar and nice girl, I love them! My problem is I need change girls all the time even if I love all the girls with who I stay.

For example last time, I was for 2 days already with the same girl in Pattaya and we decided to go together to do a professional massage to spend the time. And when we arrive in the shop, my lady did the massage with the Thai girl, and me I did massage too with another Thai lady. And at the beginning I just wanted normal massage at 400 bahts (oil massage) and my girlfriend working girl was in the same massage shop like me.

And the problem is the girl who was doing my massage was very sexy too and I was horny. And she told me that I was horny. And she proposed me a blowjob. But I told her that I was with my working girl girlfriend. And she say me it can be a secret with a smile! And I told her to not make some noise that I didn't want my girlfriend working girl hear I fuck her! And she told me OK. She wanted 1500 and I say OK but I want fuck her bareback! And she told me OK. So we spent a very nice time together! We kissed a lot, I licked her pussy, and I fuck her in few positions without make too much noise. My working girl girlfriend didn't hear anything! At the end of the session, I was fucking her in missionary and I came inside her pussy! And I loved that moment because nobody in the shop could see she fuck with me, so she put again her clothes with my sperm inside her pussy! And then I went quickly to shower!

And finally I gave her 2000. She was very happy and me too!

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2460043]Lately there have been some mixed messages on the board, which directly affect my future plans:

On the one hand, I read that things are dry with no business for the girls so pickings are easy to the point that you can get 3000 baht gogo girls for 1000, and other girls for 500 to 700. According to this info, I will be booking a ticket as soon things open up to take advantage of this rare occurrence (lock down).

On the other hand, girls are so busy getting 100 messages a day that you would be lucky if they even see your message, let alone respond. In which case I will wait until things get back to normal before traveling to Thailand.

I would like to note that my experience in Pattaya when I was there last year (summer / low season), is that almost every girl that I messaged responded. It was also the case that if I just viewed a girls profile I would find that they also looked at mine and sent me an interest, even if I didn't message them..

Which of the two is it?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Any non hideous girl will be getting hundreds of messages regardless of C19 or not. Those that make Most Popular lists get litterally thousands of messages per day. These girls hear 'let's meet when I arrive next month' promises a million times and know that 99.99% will never eventuate. That's why guys on the ground have the advantage. 'I'm in Big C' will always win over 'I'm in Nebraska' as you found on your last visit.

Two options to reach the popular cuties:

1/ don't even worry about contacting the girls until you are in country. Then say where you are and what you want.

2/ if you must make contact pre arrival, keep it short and sweet. The hot girls don't have time to read about how you like puppies and sunset cruises. The aim is to get their number for use when you arrive, not hold a conversation.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2460091]Any non hideous girl will be getting hundreds of messages regardless of C19 or not. Those that make Most Popular lists get litterally thousands of messages per day. These girls hear 'let's meet when I arrive next month' promises a million times and know that 99.99% will never eventuate. That's why guys on the ground have the advantage. 'I'm in Big C' will always win over 'I'm in Nebraska' as you found on your last visit.

Two options to reach the popular cuties:

1/ don't even worry about contacting the girls until you are in country. Then say where you are and what you want.

2/ if you must make contact pre arrival, keep it short and sweet. The hot girls don't have time to read about how you like puppies and sunset cruises. The aim is to get their number for use when you arrive, not hold a conversation.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]You're totally true in what you say. But me when I find a very high sexy girl on facebook or other websites and when I really dream to fuck her, I usually try to contact her 10 days before I arrive Bangkok and Pattaya and to be sure she'll meet, I play the guy totally in love, who has big money who wants to make her happy and go shopping with her! I even propose her to buy her a nice gift before I arrive! And I say I'll give her big big money!

I don't do that with all girls! But when I really know the girl is very very sexy, I know there are many men who want same like me and some are already there! So I need be the one, and get lucky! And for that, I need say the girl I think only to be her boyfriend and give her big money and make shopping with her everyday! Then she'll not block me and she ll be very careful to stay with me when I arrive!

Because when high lexy girls know they have some stupid men LOL who are ready to do everything for them or become their sponsor, they're very careful and they don't want to miss this opportunity.

And I can say it works at 90%.

And usually I stay with the girl 2 or 3 days before I change city to find another working girl!

And we never speak about condoms, we fuck bareback all the time! And we spend really nice time!

I did that with so many girls!

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2460043]Lately there have been some mixed messages on the board, which directly affect my future plans:

On the one hand, I read that things are dry with no business for the girls so pickings are easy to the point that you can get 3000 baht gogo girls for 1000, and other girls for 500 to 700. According to this info, I will be booking a ticket as soon things open up to take advantage of this rare occurrence (lock down).
[/QUOTE]Sir, this is nothing new, so you are not taking advantage of anything. You have always been able to fuck a chick that works in a gogo for 1000 baht. That is not saying that you can walk into a gogo and offer a chick 1000 baht. That is to say that if you happened to meet a chick outside somewhere that you can fuck her for 1000 baht and then just so happens that she works in a gogo.

If I lined 10 chicks up side by side wearing jeans and a t-shirt, you would not be able to pick out which ones work in gogos, which ones work at kiosks in the mall, which ones work at AIS phone company. That is why I do not see the fascination around a chick simply because she works in a gogo.

Hell, I meet chicks that work in Big C now and worked in a gogo before, and vice versa. You are paying 3000 baht because it is a gogo, not because of the girl. A bottle of Dom Perignon costs $300 at a nightclub but only $100 at a grocery store. Is it somehow better because you paid $200 more buying it in the nightclub?

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2460111]... they're very careful and they don't want to miss this opportunity.

And I can say it works at 90%.

And usually I stay with the girl 2 or 3 days before I change city to find another working girl!

And we never speak about condoms, we fuck bareback all the time! And we spend really nice time!

I did that with so many girls![/QUOTE]

Wow! I wish I could be one third as successful here on the ground!

Yesterday I got busy on TF first thing in the morning and got the Line ID of the girl below for a same-day meeting, a good idea since those girls can scarcely be expected to remember a meeting the next day, much less actually show up to one.

On TF she had looked like a 7 or an 8. Her line pics showed her to range from 6 to 7 in looks.

As you can see from the Line screenshot, she was ok at 10:25 to meet me at 14:00.

After she didn't show up I phoned her twice and no one answered but oddly, she herself called me at around 15:00 to say something in unintelligible English. Either on purpose or by mistake her call was a video call, so I could have a glimpse of her lying on a couch. What I saw was in keeping with the lower ranger of her Line pics (a 6). No great loss having been stood up then.

To those of you out there who are wary of coming to Thailand lest they should get shunned or stood up by stunners, fear not! The plain girls, you know whom I mean, those girls who gave up their jobs as street vendors or laundry ladies to fill the void left behind when Thailand's lookers massively stopped prostituting, those plain girls are catching up. They can now waste your time like real pros.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2460043]Lately there have been some mixed messages on the board, which directly affect my future plans:[/QUOTE]DazeUp,

I don't claim to be a TF expert, but I think the point was that the girls get a lot of messages and most of them are from people who are not in Pattaya and frequently not even in the country. TF allows the user to select where they are rather than using geo-location, so people select Pattaya even though they are not here. Girls get tons of messages from guys who are not around (and frequently have little or no real plan to visit but do it for cheap thrills) so frequently ignore messages because they cannot filter the genuine interest from the idle banter.

On the subject of travel plans, may I suggest you read a piece I put on the Bangkok thread a few days ago in response to an OP who was planning an August visit [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2458829[/URL] . Little has changed since apart from politicians chattering about entry (with restrictions) for "businessman, experts and medical tourism" and possible travel bubbles with a very limited, but as yet undefined, list of countries.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2460111]You're totally true in what you say. But me when I find a very high sexy girl on facebook or other websites and when I really dream to fuck her, I usually try to contact her 10 days before I arrive Bangkok and Pattaya and to be sure she'll meet, I play the guy totally in love, who has big money who wants to make her happy and go shopping with her! I even propose her to buy her a nice gift before I arrive! And I say I'll give her big big money!

And usually I stay with the girl 2 or 3 days before I change city to find another working girl![/QUOTE]You are talking apples and oranges. If I saw a girl on a website and I wanted to fuck her short time when I got to a place, then I would not be saying how I was going to buy her all types of gifts and take her on trips. What you are saying is the same as how people get scammed. The scammer plays on their greed.

[QUOTE=XXL;2460160]Wow! I wish I could be one third as successful here on the ground!

Yesterday I got busy on TF first thing in the morning and got the Line ID of the girl below for a same-day meeting, a good idea since those girls can scarcely be expected to remember a meeting the next day, much less actually show up to one. As you can see from the Line screenshot, she was ok at 10:25 to meet me at 14:00. After she didn't show up I phoned her twice and no one answered [/QUOTE]I seriously do not know what to tell you. Yesterday I met up with 4 TF chicks that I just started talking to yesterday. I did not meet up with all for fucking, but I did meet up with them.

The first lives around the corner from me. We found out where each other live so I told her I would come around to see her. It was taking me a while to get ready because I was going for a ride on my bike in the process. She wanted to know if I was really coming or bullshitting because she was about to leave to excercise as well. I got there and her and her friend came outside in their exercise gear. They said they would finish in about 2 hours. I told them that I would probably not be back for another 6 hours.

I left there and went to the bicycle shop to have a couple of adjustments made to my bike. I started talking to a couple more chicks on TF. I told one that I would come see her in a few minutes. She works in a massage shop on Thappraya. She sent me the location and I went up to sit aound with her for a few minutes.

I also talked to another chick that works in a salon. This chick was 100% my type. I told her that if her pictures were real I would come up to the salon and marry her right then. She said she would get off at 10pm and she could see me then. Towards the end of my riding (about 7 pm) I hit her up and she asked if I wanted to meet her at a coffee shop near her job right quick. I rode up there and met her. WOW! I told her that I would be back to get her at 10.

At 9:45 she asked if I really wanted to see her and if I would give her money. I asked how much she wanted and she said 1000. Come to find out this chick has not fucked in 2 years and has never been with a foreigner. She is from Korat and had her last boyfriend back home 2 years ago before she came to Pattaya. She was sizzlin hot and could not get enough of my dick being in her mouth. I dropped her at work this morning and slid her the 1000 baht. She said she would finish work today at 6 and would like me to go to Jomtien with her.

Right before I picked up the hairstylists a TF chick showed interest in me. Her profile said she was not a transgender. I started talking to her and we exchanged Lines. Talking some more and she asked if I forgot her already. I said what the fuck are you talking about? I do not know you. Then she sent me a picture of her and the 1st girl I mentioned the moment they walked outside to see me earlier in the day. I am so bad that I can't even remember meeting a chick on the same day. Turns out she wants some of this dick/money action too.

As soon as my neighbor finishes cleaning my room, I am off to the salon so the chick from last night can do my nails. 300 baht, hands, feet, and foot scrub.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460197]I seriously do not know what to tell you. Yesterday I met up with 4 TF chicks that I just started talking to yesterday. I did not meet up with all for fucking, but I did meet up with them.[/QUOTE]I hate you.

Here the Kmart sale started and I jacked off to the underwear catalogue. So beat that. 😁.

G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460197]I seriously do not know what to tell you. Yesterday I met up with 4 TF chicks that I just started talking to yesterday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2460160]Wow! I wish I could be one third as successful here on the ground!....[/QUOTE]

Full Mark's to E.

I've always said have the girls fit into your day. Don't change your day to wait for them. That way if there is a problem you can still get your stuff done or call in a replacement.

Plenty of guys waste a whole day or more sitting around waiting for girls that never show.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2460217]I hate you.

Here the Kmart sale started and I jacked off to the underwear catalogue. So beat that. 😁.

G.[/QUOTE]In the middle of Kmart?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460197]I seriously do not know what to tell you. Yesterday I met up with 4 TF chicks that I just started talking to yesterday. I did not meet up with all for fucking, but I did meet up with them.

The first lives around the corner from me. We found out where each other live so I told her I would come around to see her. It was taking me a while to get ready because I was going for a ride on my bike in the process. She wanted to know if I was really coming or bullshitting because she was about to leave to excercise as well. I got there and her and her friend came outside in their exercise gear. They said they would finish in about 2 hours. I told them that I would probably not be back for another 6 hours.

I left there and went to the bicycle shop to have a couple of adjustments made to my bike. I started talking to a couple more chicks on TF. I told one that I would come see her in a few minutes. She works in a massage shop on Thappraya. She sent me the location and I went up to sit aound with her for a few minutes.

I also talked to another chick that works in a salon. This chick was 100% my type. I told her that if her pictures were real I would come up to the salon and marry her right then. She said she would get off at 10pm and she could see me then. Towards the end of my riding (about 7 pm) I hit her up and she asked if I wanted to meet her at a coffee shop near her job right quick. I rode up there and met her. WOW! I told her that I would be back to get her at 10. .[/QUOTE]Happy Fathers Day to the Board. Thanks for posting pics Mr. E. I know your character and truthfulness has been questioned this spring since a lot of guys are unable to adopt your system. Thanks to you and MP who proved Pattaya can work during the Emergency Decree. The fact is more than 70% of the Board is not on the ground as much as you. A good trip is about being efficient. Mr.

E can get more done in Pattaya in a week than I could get done in a month.

[QUOTE==*****man;2460289]In the middle of Kmart?[/QUOTE]W, don't you know anything?

The underwear is in aisle 3, aisle 8 in the middle of Kmart is where the feminine hygiene product fetishishists do their business (I read it in a wikipedia article, honest).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460157]Sir, this is nothing new, so you are not taking advantage of anything. You have always been able to fuck a chick that works in a gogo for 1000 baht. That is not saying that you can walk into a gogo and offer a chick 1000 baht. That is to say that if you happened to meet a chick outside somewhere that you can fuck her for 1000 baht and then just so happens that she works in a gogo.

If I lined 10 chicks up side by side wearing jeans and a t-shirt, you would not be able to pick out which ones work in gogos, which ones work at kiosks in the mall, which ones work at AIS phone company. That is why I do not see the fascination around a chick simply because she works in a gogo.

Hell, I meet chicks that work in Big C now and worked in a gogo before, and vice versa. You are paying 3000 baht because it is a gogo, not because of the girl. A bottle of Dom Perignon costs $300 at a nightclub but only $100 at a grocery store. Is it somehow better because you paid $200 more buying it in the nightclub?[/QUOTE]The range of looks, skills and services provided by girls who work in go-go bars is about as wide as those of girls who live in Thailand. Saying a girl works in a go-go bar says nothing about any of those qualities really. There are girls who work in go-go bars who get barfined and paid 3,000 baht or thereabouts once or twice a night every night, and for very good reason. By contrast, there are other girls who work in go-go bars who have not been barfined and taken by any customer for a month, also for a very good reason.

Boasting about getting a go-go girl who is one of the most popular, most often barfined girls in the most popular go-go bar in the city who actually does get 3,000 baht or thereabouts for ST every night of the week, but getting her for only 1,000 baht for LT on her day off would indeed be impressive.

However, getting another go-go girl who works in a poverty row dump bar with few customers and who rarely gets barfined at all for a 1,000 baht LT or for any amount of money including for free on her day off is not so impressive.

Using extremes here to illustrate a point. But there is an endless amount of variation and possibilities between those too extremes.

I might not be able to tell which slim, well-proportioned, 21 year old cutie wearing jeans and a t-shirt in a line up works in a go-go bar vs one that works in a mall shop. Or an ugly girl line up counterpart to that example, for that matter.

But I bet I can nail it pretty much every time if the challenge is to choose which go-go girl between two is the one who gets barfined every night and actually gets paid 3,000 baht or close to it every time and which one hasn't been barfined in a month (not of her own choosing).

Two bottles of Dom Perignon of the same year, vintage and so on are naturally going to provide a very similar if not identical taste experience. In which case, you might as well buy it at a wine shop instead of an expensive restaurant if you are going to open, pour and drink it at home anyway.

But there is no reason I can think of to expect any two girls who both claim to work in a go-go bar to provide a nearly identical sexual session experience if one of them regularly and often gets paid 3,000 baht for her STs while another one is lucky to get barfined once in a month and paid 1,500 baht for a ST.

Not that there is something better about one girl simply because she gets paid so much more money than the other one. That isn't the point. It is that there is very likely a blatantly obvious reason one gets paid so much more than the other, most probably in terms of their looks, weight, age, baby vs no baby, etc.

Unless we are talking about the exact same girl or two that are as identical as two bottles of Dom Perignon of the same vintage. But I am fairly certain we are not talking about that if the only similarity is they both do, did or might someday work in a go-go bar.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2460219]Full Mark's to E.

I've always said have the girls fit into your day. Don't change your day to wait for them. That way if there is a problem you can still get your stuff done or call in a replacement.

Plenty of guys waste a whole day or more sitting around waiting for girls that never show.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you! At the beginning I was waiting for the girls all the time, and each time they were late or didn't come and I was waiting alone in my room for nothing. So now I do my day like I want and when they're ready they call me and come my room. And I don't wait they call me to go fuck other working girls in massage shop. I just ask the girl to call me 30 min before she arrives my room to be sure I'm there. Each time I'm in Pattaya when I arrive on the first evening, I call them to come my room directly because I'm tired because of the flight and I don't want go outside and usually they all come. Some girls answer me quickly to come right away and some other are busy or come to me later in the night. Usually the first night I arrive Pattaya, I fuck 2 or 3 girls in the night. Each time on the first night it's girls I know for few years. For example each time I fuck these girls in Pattaya just when I arrive. You probably know them already because they're famous!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2460317]The range of looks, skills and services provided by girls who work in go-go bars is about as wide as those of girls who live in Thailand. Saying a girl works in a go-go bar says nothing about any of those qualities really. There are girls who work in go-go bars who get barfined and paid 3,000 baht or thereabouts once or twice a night every night, and for very good reason. By contrast, there are other girls who work in go-go bars who have not been barfined and taken by any customer for a month, also for a very good reason.

Boasting about getting a go-go girl who is one of the most popular, most often barfined girls in the most popular go-go bar in the city who actually does get 3,000 baht or thereabouts for ST every night of the week, but getting her for only 1,000 baht for LT on her day off would indeed be impressive.

However, getting another go-go girl who works in a poverty row dump bar with few customers and who rarely gets barfined at all for a 1,000 baht LT or for any amount of money including for free on her day off is not so impressive.

Using extremes here to illustrate a point. But there is an endless amount of variation and possibilities between those too extremes.[/QUOTE]You know it's not because you go in a gogo that the girls are like some high top model! Everybody say, the very sexy girls work only in gogo! Maybe it was true 10 years ago but not now. And I go very often to gogo to check the girls and most of the time, girls are not so sexy! In fact you can find sexy girls in gogo, or in a beer bar, or even in soi 6. I went to many gogos and the girls looked ugly! Each time I go in a gogo on 20 girls maybe you have only 2 or 3 girls very sexy!

And I never barfine a girl in a gogo. Usually I pay her a lady drink, and discretely I give her my Thai phone number and she gives me her line, or whasapp. And we meet after work or the next day during the day before she go work. I refuse to pay 2000 barfine in a gogo.

Each time I say the girl I prefer give her more money to her than to the bar. So usually a girl in a gogo ask 2000. I prefer give her 2500/3000 and she's happy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2460317]But I bet I can nail it pretty much every time if the challenge is to choose which go-go girl between two is the one who gets barfined every night and actually gets paid 3,000 baht or close to it every time and which one hasn't been barfined in a month (not of her own choosing).[/QUOTE]Based on my personal experience, that 3000 baht go-go hottie will sometimes drop her price and improve her services for subsequent sessions that are arranged outside of the go-go bar. I've had true hotties drop to 2000 baht for second sessions. I had a less-than-hottie who was initially 3000 baht for first session drop to 1000 baht for a third session.

Although I haven't experienced it, I wouldn't be surprised if a younger, better looking, more charming, more fit punter could pull off a true hottie for 1000 baht if she was met away from a go-go.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2460331]Based on my personal experience, that 3000 baht go-go hottie will sometimes drop her price and improve her services for subsequent sessions that are arranged outside of the go-go bar. I've had true hotties drop to 2000 baht for second sessions. I had a less-than-hottie who was initially 3000 baht for first session drop to 1000 baht for a third session.

Although I haven't experienced it, I wouldn't be surprised if a younger, better looking, more charming, more fit punter could pull off a true hottie for 1000 baht if she was met away from a go-go.[/QUOTE]What was it about the less-than-hottie that convinced you to pay her 3,000 baht the first time?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2460331]Based on my personal experience, that 3000 baht go-go hottie will sometimes drop her price and improve her services for subsequent sessions that are arranged outside of the go-go bar. I've had true hotties drop to 2000 baht for second sessions. I had a less-than-hottie who was initially 3000 baht for first session drop to 1000 baht for a third session.

Although I haven't experienced it, I wouldn't be surprised if a younger, better looking, more charming, more fit punter could pull off a true hottie for 1000 baht if she was met away from a go-go.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. I stayed during 1 week with a girl from a gogo for 1000 everyday! And she was very happy and loved me very much! And I didn't pay any barfine! We had great time! The only problem is when you stay with her 24/7 you need find some excuse to leave her 2/3 hours to go fuck other working girl! And I was scared she knows other girls I fuck in Patt!

So when she told me she doesn't like Soi 6 and I think she didn't know any girl from soi 6, I was going fuck in Soi 6 everyday. I was going there when she wanted sleep in bed little bit or when she wanted go see her Thai girlfriends 2/3 hours.

Rainbow 2/4. There really are quite a few unattractive girls who work there. Surprise surprise they hardly if ever get barfined.

My thinking is maybe they get Barfined one minute before Bar closes. Maybe a Japanese boy panics on his last night. Who knows.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2460317]Boasting about getting a go-go girl who is one of the most popular, most often barfined girls in the most popular go-go bar in the city who actually does get 3,000 baht or thereabouts for ST every night of the week, but getting her for only 1,000 baht for LT on her day off would indeed be impressive.[/QUOTE]It is not impressive at all. Boasting about getting ANY hooker is ridiculous. They are hookers. If you have money then you can get one. Sometimes no money is even needed to get one.

Once again you guys must be accountants because you are only thinking in numbers and you keep forgetting the personal aspect of them being people. They are not machines that if you don't put at least a certain amount of money in, then they will not dispense the product.

I don't know why you guys only see everything as business, business, and maximizing revenue with these chicks. One person can be fucking her for 3,000 and another person can be fucking her for free. The two can and do coexist you know?

Maybe it is a case of getting what you see. You go around seeing her as a chick that would be normally out of your league so you must give 3000 to her, and I go around seeing her as just a chick.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2460347]What was it about the less-than-hottie that convinced you to pay her 3,000 baht the first time?[/QUOTE]Fun personality.

Hello guys,

It's been some time since my last visit to Pattaya. Given the strange situation now it's not easy to look around for deepthroats. Anyone can shed more light on where I could find one?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460433]It is not impressive at all. Boasting about getting ANY hooker is ridiculous. They are hookers. If you have money then you can get one. Sometimes no money is even needed to get one.

Once again you guys must be accountants because you are only thinking in numbers and you keep forgetting the personal aspect of them being people. They are not machines that if you don't put at least a certain amount of money in, then they will not dispense the product.

I don't know why you guys only see everything as business, business, and maximizing revenue with these chicks. One person can be fucking her for 3,000 and another person can be fucking her for free. The two can and do coexist you know?

Maybe it is a case of getting what you see. You go around seeing her as a chick that would be normally out of your league so you must give 3000 to her, and I go around seeing her as just a chick.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree that boasting about getting ANY hooker is ridiculous. But that was not the qualifier that I applied to my example. In fact, it is somewhat the opposite of my point.

Someone suggesting that they or anyone else can get a bottle of Dom Perignon for $5 or free any day and every day as easily as picking up a bottle of Red Mountain or Thunderbird at the nearest liquor store as though all wine is exactly the same is also ridiculous.

If that were the case, no one would ever bother to make, sell or buy anything better than the rock bottom cheapest version of it you can find. I don't think anyone needs to be an accountant to recognize that.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2460437]Fun personality.[/QUOTE]That works for me too sometimes. But I don't know if I have met the bargirl who has such a fun personality that she can ask for and get 3,000 baht out of me when I suspect she would ordinarly go for 1,000 baht. I hope I do someday though.

This former regular of mine came back to Pattaya, alas only for 4 days in order to get herself a passport. She said bars were not reopening and she would be leaving to Russia soon.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/22/proposed-list-of-rules-for-bar-pub-entertainment-venue-opening-released-by-thai-government/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457389]No irony in it if you consider why the people are homeless. Is it simply because they could not afford a place to stay as I would say is not the case of most? More than likely there is some other underlying issue. Is it because they burned their house down after smoking meth as the guy in Chonburi did the other day? Is it because they gamble away all the money that comes into their hands? I certainly would not want anyone living in a place of mine who was not going to respect and take care of the place.[/QUOTE]Well said Mr E.

Only item I'd add is that some just don't want to work. They expect the government to handed it to them. Irony is the city of Seattle build small houses for the people living in tents and what a fiasco! They refused to! So no! I don't feel bad seeing a Twenty something at the highway exit light with no apparent disability asking for help. Just before the so called pandemic we had the best economy engine going. Anyone wanting to work could, but no. They chose the easy money! F' them.

Rant over!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2460470]I absolutely agree that boasting about getting ANY hooker is ridiculous. But that was not the qualifier that I applied to my example. In fact, it is somewhat the opposite of my point.

Someone suggesting that they or anyone else can get a bottle of Dom Perignon for $5 or free any day and every day as easily as picking up a bottle of Red Mountain or Thunderbird at the nearest liquor store as though all wine is exactly the same is also ridiculous.

If that were the case, no one would ever bother to make, sell or buy anything better than the rock bottom cheapest version of it you can find. I don't think anyone needs to be an accountant to recognize that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460433]It is not impressive at all. Boasting about getting ANY hooker is ridiculous. They are hookers. If you have money then you can get one. Sometimes no money is even needed to get one.

Once again you guys must be accountants because you are only thinking in numbers and you keep forgetting the personal aspect of them being people. They are not machines that if you don't put at least a certain amount of money in, then they will not dispense the product.

I don't know why you guys only see everything as business, business, and maximizing revenue with these chicks. One person can be fucking her for 3,000 and another person can be fucking her for free. The two can and do coexist you know?

Maybe it is a case of getting what you see. You go around seeing her as a chick that would be normally out of your league so you must give 3000 to her, and I go around seeing her as just a chick.[/QUOTE]You two have very different mongering styles. ET is more like a sniper rifle and Mr E is more like a machine gun.

Mr E does not target a specific girl. He targets all girls and some happen to work in go-go bar. He is also patient. From what I read, sometime it takes months for him to get a date to a specific girl. This is how I read it and what he said makes sense.

If you are going to get a specific go-go girl for tonight for the first time, then I think Mr E's method will have very low success rate.

Tree Town was sorta raided Monday night by large group of Police and Inspection team. The Tree Town food stalls were fenced off and the Covid check tent was moved to the front by the Cocktail Car, which was closed. The crowd that usually gathered in front was forced onto the street and steps. Beer is served inside but only if you're eating. It didn't look like anyone was arrested. More info at.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Thepattayanews[/URL]

Tuesday Night a smaller group of people gather in the area. The food carts were MIA early in the night, but a few returned after 11p.

I have the perfect solution to the conundrum about 500 baht Hot girls.

You have 2 categories to put your favorite AgoGo girl in. 500 baht or 3,000 baht. There is no inBetween bucket.

82.5% would be placed on 500 baht bin.

What say you?

Images are often better than long speeches [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BXN6q3ul0&t=117s[/URL].

She is a perfect candidate for Doggie position with that unbelievable tattoo and slender body, cherry on top if you do her in front of a mirror. Buddy you are lucky. Cherish her and plug her hard and make her scream.

[QUOTE=XXL;2460507]This former regular of mine came back to Pattaya, alas only for 4 days in order to get herself a passport. She said bars were not reopening and she would be leaving to Russia soon.[/QUOTE]

Expat bars need expats, tourist traps need tourists. Now you can pretty much figure out what will open and will not. If it won't make money or break even, it ends will stay closed. Apply that to your favorite hang outs in Pattaya. It's that simple. Don't worry about the girls, Jody is here.

Work your fingers.

Right down to the bone.

There's a cat named Jody.

Sneaking around in your home.

There's a cat named Jody.

In every town.

Spending lots of cash.

And just riding around.

Ride on, Jody.

Ride on, ride on.

With your bad self Jody.

Ain't no sense in going home.

Jody's got your girl and gone.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2460802]Expat bars need expats, tourist traps need tourists. Now you can pretty much figure out what will open and will not. If it won't make money or break even, it ends will stay closed. Apply that to your favorite hang outs in Pattaya. It's that simple. Don't worry about the girls, Jody is here.

Work your fingers.

Right down to the bone.

There's a cat named Jody.

Sneaking around in your home.

There's a cat named Jody.

In every town..[/QUOTE]Say Baccara guys go bankrupt. New operators will get a deal with less rent, pay girls less, . More economical all around.

Pattaya will be back. Just who makes money will be different.

As for rules and regulations. The Coppers will have to figure that out. LOL. How do they maximize their income.

Let's all Pray & this happens real quick. Usually does when dollars at stake.

I like to go to Pattaya for seven days a year.

Would be a big loss without it.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2460802]Expat bars need expats, tourist traps need tourists. Now you can pretty much figure out what will open and will not. If it won't make money or break even, it ends will stay closed. Apply that to your favorite hang outs in Pattaya. It's that simple. Don't worry about the girls, Jody is here.

Work your fingers.

Right down to the bone.

There's a cat named Jody.

Sneaking around in your home.

There's a cat named Jody..[/QUOTE]I'm always a little ahead of the news and even the mayor. I posted yesterday, this came out this morning. Like I said, expats need expats, tourists traps need tourists and weekend warriors. Thai bars need Thais. So what do you consider yourself? They will try to see what's left here in Pattaya, and take our money even if it's for a few days. So beware of the cover charge if they decide to impose one.

My advice. As for the tourists traps like the GoGo bars, meet the contraction with contraction and consolidate into a few clubs with your best girls. Are you listening Pin Up? Night wish group the same. Biggest club, biggest stage and pack them in plus pay "them" off. Only problem is that 10 day contract and salary. And that many of these girls are making enough off TF with added freedom, they may not come back to fight over a few drinks a night. Who's left that can drop 5-7000 a night for 1 club and 1 girl? I've built of my stable already, and even Monkeypaw won't do that anymore. Maybe I'll drop by with my friends from BKK, Molly and her girls. Do a quick roll call and then do our own party at home. But that's it. We have our own Agogo back in the room. Lights, camera, and action.

"With the current ban on international inbound flights, however, foreign facing businesses that rely primarily on tourists will be forced to make tough decisions on opening and if they have enough of a local customer base to support their business. Many will likely stay closed until tourists are allowed to return. Domestic based businesses, like expat focused beer bars or Thai pubs who focus on local Thai residents are generally more positive and stating they are ready to open and confident they will be able to make a profit."

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/24/pattaya-city-mayor-says-pattaya-entertainment-venues-eager-to-open-and-ready-to-comply-with-proposed-rules/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2460923]Say Baccara guys go bankrupt. New operators will get a deal with less rent, pay girls less, . More economical all around.
[/QUOTE]Yeah. I don't think you know Thailand very well. That place will sit empty before they give someone a deal with less rent.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2460923]Say Baccara guys go bankrupt. New operators will get a deal with less rent, pay girls less, . More economical all around.

Pattaya will be back. Just who makes money will be different.

As for rules and regulations. The Coppers will have to figure that out. LOL. How do they maximize their income.

Let's all Pray & this happens real quick. Usually does when dollars at stake.

I like to go to Pattaya for seven days a year.

Would be a big loss without it.[/QUOTE]It all depends on which bar you're talking about, and how long the owner of place can take the hit. Many smaller bars are already selling the property for much lesser rent, including few in NPE in BKK. Will it result in paying less to girls? Not necessarily. I am hoping you already had your yearly Pattaya trip this year because with all travel restrictions you might want to skip it this year. Also depends on which country you live in.

"All businesses and activities suspended to control the spread of coronavirus disease will be allowed to resume on July 1 - including entertainment venues and "soapy massage" parlours. Pubs, bars and karaoke shops will reopen, but must close at midnight. Groups of visitors will be capped at five people, and will be prohibited from joining other groups. Sales promotion activities will be banned. " Liquor sales from 5p to midnight at the bars.

Three nights later, bars will close again for a 4 day Buddha Holiday, July 4-7.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1940316/all-business-to-resume-on-july-1[/URL]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2461054]

Three nights later, bars will close again for a 4 day Buddha Holiday, July 4-7.[/QUOTE]JavaMan,

Not disputing what you say but the Monday and Tuesday are public holidays (Government offices closed) in lieu of Asarnha Bucha Day and Khao Phansa, as they fall on the weekend, rather than Buddhist holidays. Most times this means bars would be open on 6th and 7th. Just to confuse more there seems to be a bit of doubt about whether Khao Phansa (Buddhist Lent) is on the Sunday or the Monday.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/23/thai-cabinet-approves-four-day-holiday-weekend-for-july-4-7-no-alcohol-sales-days-coming/ [/URL]

"Although not officially announced or clarified at the announcement today it is expected that the fourth and fifth will be no alcohol sales days as every Buddhist holiday. If the holidays follow measures taken in prior years, the additional government holidays will see closure of government offices but no alcohol sales ban."

Advice? Watch this space and the press nearer the time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460978]Yeah. I don't think you know Thailand very well. That place will sit empty before they give someone a deal with less rent.[/QUOTE]Can someone like LBM confirm this is standard operating procedure for legit Businessman.

I can't see how real Busnit dudes don't account for market forces.

I'm not talking about Hillbilly Somchai who won't lower rent for 10 years because he thinks his condo is the Bomb. LOL.

Hong Kong has really good Hotels at great prices. I'm sure me not allowed to enter has something to do with their price adjustment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460978]Yeah. I don't think you know Thailand very well. That place will sit empty before they give someone a deal with less rent.[/QUOTE]There are some stubborn landlords out there. Initially that may be their response but if the property sits vacant for months on end eventually they will accept the new reality. A lot depends on how they are leveraged and whether cash flow is positive.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460978]Yeah. I don't think you know Thailand very well. That place will sit empty before they give someone a deal with less rent.[/QUOTE]I think you overestimate the financial stretch most Thai still have.

I rent my condo now at 30% of the original price.

I took 4 businesses over last month, in general:

- I kept the staff: -20% on salary.

- Rent did go down with 40-60%.

Price for the takeover: the debt on those companies.

All are running profitable now.

Okay, it are not adult places.

But I assume it's not that different.

Did somebody say "legit business?

The groups operating in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, LK Metro, Walking Street, Bangla and many of the other entertainment venues including Soapies are far from "legit. " Why do folks not know this stuff? Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so take it from somebody who is on the inside, normal rules of business and "market forces" do not always necessarily apply here. If that's the case, the Man from Iran and his bars should have been out of business a long time ago. They exist for reasons unknown and maybe known by some. Remember, they are what they are. Cash cows and businesses pulling in a crap load of uncounted foreign cash with the backing of a few very well connected Thai elites.

They exist for higher purpose other than just employment. Just like so many sex tourists getting lured and trapped by Thailand's mystique to keep coming back over and over again, so do foreign investors who find it thrilling to be part of group that operates Go Go bars or sex venues. Many get their money scammed and taken. New bars pop up all the time on Walking Street to only close in less than a month or two. I personally know of a few guys who had their money pulled, thinking they can be part of the bigger picture, by throwing in 30-50,000 USD, in "expansion projects. " It's very easy. I invite you (an investor) to come hang and party at all the GoGo bars our group owns. You drink like crazy, fuck alot of girls, and enjoy the party. We are thinking about buying up this space on Walking Street to open another club because all our other clubs are so packed. This would be a great retirement investment and place to spend the rest of your life. Let me get my buddies at Immigration to get your long stay visa set up for free, along with a tube of KY.

And just because you have cash doesn't mean you get to buy into a GoGo bar on Walking Street. You must be invited to sit at the table for dinner. And sometimes that empty seat is just a big trap. Bars may have an "owner" per se, but can also have many silent partners who prefer to stay silent and sometimes have much more power than whoever stands "face of the business. " Sometimes these silent partners are much weaker and have invested their entire life savings thinking that they've jackpot. Only to become indentured slaves for the top dogs, given jobs and titled managers or general mangers. If you were lured as an investor, but found yourself as a worker. Might want to rethink those choices or your selection of friends. As for the "established" and those who don't work at all (you see them in the clubs), they don't have to worry too much about rent or new take overs. The rapport with the underground network has already been built and is long standing. They do however, have to still pay their employees, the electric, and water bill. This will factor to whether or not or which, opens up. How do I know these things? A little birdy whispered in my ear. But don't mind me, I'm just here to party, hang out, get massages, enjoy the girls and do a little charity.

P.S. These things are over the head of most sex tourists. Just enjoy your time here and don't forget to pay your bill. So to answer your question. Yes, Virginia there is such a thing as a pyramid scheme even in the Underground.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2461142]Can someone like LBM confirm this is standard operating procedure for legit Businessman.

I can't see how real Busnit dudes don't account for market forces.

I'm not talking about Hillbilly Somchai who won't lower rent for 10 years because he thinks his condo is the Bomb. LOL.

Hong Kong has really good Hotels at great prices. I'm sure me not allowed to enter has something to do with their price adjustment.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, the position would be more right than wrong but as we all know the Virus has brought in a whole new world or norm? To me, there is like two schools of business one we all know from the West which is taught in basic business 101 which we at times assume everyone knows the basic concepts these concepts are commonly applied at big chain hotels like the Hilton, markets like Lotus and Big see, 7/11, Big Mac, BK, Top Chaeron you see the offer of discounts willing to unload stock to restock. The more time spend outside for education and living in the West the more basic following of Western business 101 is followed then there is another school of business I put under " the more patriotic the more stupid " this, of course, is what we refer to when you got no business you raise the rates the head of these companies or family want their siblings to stay in Thailand thus sending them to school only in Thailand. Here is the problem as I see it as my daughter in law she is Thai she is smart has a Master in Accounting from a Thai government school but outside of the books streetwise she is stupid can't even sell french fries. In the government schools, she was taught just like her teacher and professors just read the text but if principal and theory don't work then what like most experts on education in Thailand there is no critical thinking the look on their face is like " what the fuck should I do now ".

That being said let's take the Soi Baukhao and Soi LK area many of the properties are owned paid for cleared and free pass on now to the siblings of the LengKee family they just use to waiting and waiting because they feel their property is in more demand someone will pay plus the big incentive why they can wait is the key money is standard if you want the privilege to be able to rent a place. I wrote back about a place on Soi 7, restaurant Tequila Reef who decided to call it quits after 20 plus years for his 3-year contract they kicked out 1-2 million key money non-refundable that didn't include the rent each month that was six figures. Since I mentioned Soi 7, Soi 8 both are pretty much owned by the family of Estany Hotel group these are what I consider old school money the same school and money that runs Walking Street.

Two years ago rumors about the waterfront property being removed there was a major meeting with owners with the City and people from Bangkok. You take a good look at the old school guys that own these properties that showed up it was like a Mafia meeting of Godfathers after the meeting nothing the subject was dropped. You take owners of the old living Dolls club it will just stay close until they get what they want. What we called Business 101 market forces just don't apply but of course, that was before the Virus? We will see!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461235]Did somebody say "legit business?

The groups operating in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, LK Metro, Walking Street, Bangla and many of the other entertainment venues including Soapies are far from "legit. " Why do folks not know this stuff? Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so take it from somebody who is on the inside, normal rules of business and "market forces" do not always necessarily apply here. If that's the case, the Man from Iran and his bars should have been out of business a long time ago. They exist for reasons unknown and maybe known by some. Remember, they are what they are. Cash cows and businesses pulling in a crap load of uncounted foreign cash with the backing of a few very well connected Thai elites..[/QUOTE]I give you C plus grade. Low because I marked you down for Believing to get along with girls from the Dark side you have to play Sigmund Fried mind games.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2461291]
That being said let's take the Soi Baukhao and Soi LK area many of the properties are owned paid for cleared and free pass on now to the siblings of the LengKee family they just use to waiting and waiting because they feel their property is in more demand someone will pay plus the big incentive why they can wait is the key money is standard if you want the privilege to be able to rent a place. I wrote back about a place on Soi 7, restaurant Tequila Reef who decided to call it quits after 20 plus years for his 3-year contract they kicked out 1-2 million key money non-refundable that didn't include the rent each month that was six figures. Since I mentioned Soi 7, Soi 8 both are pretty much owned by the family of Estany Hotel group these are what I consider old school money the same school and money that runs Walking Street. Two years ago rumors about the waterfront property being removed there was a major meeting with owners with the City and people from Bangkok. You take a good look at the old school guys that own these properties that showed up it was like a Mafia meeting of Godfathers after the meeting nothing the subject was dropped. You take owners of the old living Dolls club it will just stay close until they get what they want. What we called Business 101 market forces just don't apply but of course, that was before the Virus? We will see![/QUOTE]Not sure what this rant is all about, but Thailand is no different than other countries: premium properties are kept by wealthy families. It is in fact "old money". Thailand sure has the "property elite" - just as any other country. The LenKee family just got lucky; it was pure luck that this area wold develop into a sort of "new walking street" for mainly westerns tourists I Pattaya. The landlords are placed somewhere between a rock and a hard place right now, but they understand very well things will get back to normal. It is just a matter of how they should ease the situation for the many companies that rent their properties. My guess is as good as yours, but my guess is they will show flexibility or else risk their future. As I have understood the mind-set of Thai business people, they are very patient and they know things will get back to normal. Sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2461393]Not sure what this rant is all about, but Thailand is no different than other countries: premium properties are kept by wealthy families. It is in fact "old money". Thailand sure has the "property elite" - just as any other country. The LenKee family just got lucky; it was pure luck that this area wold develop into a sort of "new walking street" for mainly westerns tourists I Pattaya. The landlords are placed somewhere between a rock and a hard place right now, but they understand very well things will get back to normal. It is just a matter of how they should ease the situation for the many companies that rent their properties. My guess is as good as yours, but my guess is they will show flexibility or else risk their future. As I have understood the mind-set of Thai business people, they are very patient and they know things will get back to normal. Sooner or later.[/QUOTE]HERE IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT! It is no more an opinion asked by another poster! What you just wrote should I put that under RANT or an opinion?

It is your opinion Thailand is no different than other countries then I would put you in Mr. E category then you don't know much about Thailand especially outside the P4 P scene! Currently, we aren't talking about any other country than Thailand, and yes your guess is as good as MINE should I place yours under the RANT category?

The question was " market forces " nothing else it wasn't about how lucky the Lengkee or any family might have gotten I used two schools of business and tried to explained based on what I heard of the Lengkee and other old school money family that their siblings who now run things and this are my opinions they couldn't give a rat ass about easing things for ' companies " since many of their renters are individuals which happens to be foreigners. Their siblings were kept in Thailand to be kept 100% Thai so they would think just like their parents and elder who raised them and when it comes to property whether they got lucky or not which isn't relevant in the past would just let it sit but as I noted the Virus has opened up a new can of worms will they let it sit or take a reasonable offer when it comes.

Here is a personal true story from a few years back and I have plenty of them. A few years back a close friend who has lived here longer is married to a Thai and has a number of kids his eldest was 18 and his best friend just happened to be the son owner of Hollywood Disco (old money) it just happens one day that the official notice was from the father that his house now belongs to him and that he had a month to vacate at that time we had no idea this kid who has been visiting and playing at his house for years was the son of the Hollywood owner. His wife we found out borrow money from one of his loan sharks and defaulted on the loan when the kid found out he said he would talk to his dad, in the end, we went down to have a meeting with the father basically to see if we could work out a settlement?

When we met it was like sitting down and talking with my own dad or one of my Uncles, pure old school being Asian we felt we might get a break but in the end, my friend and I were just two foreigners and he got the upper hand which was the deed to the house. I laid out a pretty good deal which in the West of Business anyone would have taken but we were here in Thailand, I laid out the comps in his project and how many were empty for sale or rent and the prices the offer would have saved him the trouble of fixing and putting the place back on the market we had all the cash basically in a bag but instead of taking the deal he actually raised the price beyond what the property was worth leaving us no choice but to walk. I got up smile and thank him for his time but inside I was thinking you stupid old man today after 5 years the property is still unsold and not rented. He actually did my friend a favor because we found a larger and bigger house for him and his kids minus the wife this time from a German owner who thinks like us from the West! His house was on the market for 4 years asking price was 4 million baht, we brought 3. 2 million in a paper bag SOLD! That is how business is done in the West here in Thailand?

That is my opinion!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461235]Did somebody say "legit business?

The groups operating in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, LK Metro, Walking Street, Bangla and many of the other entertainment venues including Soapies are far from "legit. " Why do folks not know this stuff? Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so take it from somebody who is on the inside, normal rules of business and "market forces" do not always necessarily apply here. If that's the case, the Man from Iran and his bars should have been out of business a long time ago. They exist for reasons unknown and maybe known by some. Remember, they are what they are. Cash cows and businesses pulling in a crap load of uncounted foreign cash with the backing of a few very well connected Thai elites.

They exist for higher purpose other than just employment. Just like so many sex tourists getting lured and trapped by Thailand's mystique to keep coming back over and over again, so do foreign investors who find it thrilling to be part of group that operates Go Go bars or sex venues. Many get their money scammed and taken. New bars pop up all the time on Walking Street to only close in less than a month or two. I personally know of a few guys who had their money pulled, thinking they can be part of the bigger picture, by throwing in 30-50,000 USD, in "expansion projects. " It's very easy. I invite you (an investor) to come hang and party at all the GoGo bars our group owns. You drink like crazy, fuck alot of girls, and enjoy the party. We are thinking about buying up this space on Walking Street to open another club because all our other clubs are so packed. This would be a great retirement investment and place to spend the rest of your life. Let me get my buddies at Immigration to get your long stay visa set up for free, along with a tube of KY.

And just because you have cash doesn't mean you get to buy into a GoGo bar on Walking Street. You must be invited to sit at the table for dinner. And sometimes that empty seat is just a big trap. Bars may have an "owner" per se, but can also have many silent partners who prefer to stay silent and sometimes have much more power than whoever stands "face of the business. " Sometimes these silent partners are much weaker and have invested their entire life savings thinking that they've jackpot. Only to become indentured slaves for the top dogs, given jobs and titled managers or general mangers. If you were lured as an investor, but found yourself as a worker. Might want to rethink those choices or your selection of friends. As for the "established" and those who don't work at all (you see them in the clubs), they don't have to worry too much about rent or new take overs. The rapport with the underground network has already been built and is long standing. They do however, have to still pay their employees, the electric, and water bill. This will factor to whether or not or which, opens up. How do I know these things? A little birdy whispered in my ear. But don't mind me, I'm just here to party, hang out, get massages, enjoy the girls and do a little charity.

P.S. These things are over the head of most sex tourists. Just enjoy your time here and don't forget to pay your bill. So to answer your question. Yes, Virginia there is such a thing as a pyramid scheme even in the Underground.[/QUOTE]M. P.

Thanks for writing something I can't as you noted " These things are over the head of most sex tourists " I think everyone comes here not looking for trouble and just enjoy themselves and that includes me but it is tough especially if you live with Thais only everything you wrote I've seen it close up and that is why I do everything I can to avoid and keep to myself just enjoy while it last?

Can Pattaya support both Central and Terminal 21?

It's not like Central was overflowing with customers.

Asides from food places I just don't see a ton of buznit going on.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461235]Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so take it from somebody (...)[/QUOTE]Why do you say this?

Prostitution is [B]not[/B] illegal in Thailand.

Soliciting, being a public nuisance, running a brothel and such are illegal. But prostitution, i.e. the simple act of providing and receiving sex for money, is not illegal.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2461445]M. P.

Thanks for writing something I can't as you noted " These things are over the head of most sex tourists " I think everyone comes here not looking for trouble and just enjoy themselves and that includes me but it is tough especially if you live with Thais only everything you wrote I've seen it close up and that is why I do everything I can to avoid and keep to myself just enjoy while it last?[/QUOTE]Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya. Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crime/dozens-arrested-in-money-laundering-and-drugs-case[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461498]Why do you say this?

Prostitution is [B]not[/B] illegal in Thailand.

Soliciting, being a public nuisance, running a brothel and such are illegal. But prostitution, i.e. the simple act of providing and receiving sex for money, is not illegal.[/QUOTE]Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't say anything of my own idea. Take it up with Google, Wikipedia, and every internet article that's says "prostitution illegal Thailand." Remember, I'm just here to party.

18 inch cheese is bigger than the 2 12 inch pizzas at most places. Sauce is pretty legit and homemade. Crust is a bit doughy for me. I prefer it with a bit more crisp. Bought an X large cheese for 420, took it home and reheated it in a pan to make it crispy. So far, I would say doing it this way, puts Bronx at my top pizza in Pattaya. So in this order for best so far. Any others I should try?

1. Bronx (cheese, original crust).

2. Pizza Company (veggie, pan, marinara instead of tomato sauce).

3. New York Pizza 3rd Road (veggie, original crust).

4. Dominos Tukcom (personal, pan, marina requested instead of tomato sauce).

5. Chill Inn Buakhao (margherita).

6. Pizza 24 Beza (seafood, thin).

P.S. Not sure if they remodeling or leased their fixtures and furnishings and are behind in payments. But it's a sad sight for sore eyes. Mini Cafe LK Metro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2460157]Sir, this is nothing new, so you are not taking advantage of anything. You have always been able to fuck a chick that works in a gogo for 1000 baht. That is not saying that you can walk into a gogo and offer a chick 1000 baht. That is to say that if you happened to meet a chick outside somewhere that you can fuck her for 1000 baht and then just so happens that she works in a gogo.[/QUOTE]I have no doubt that what you are saying is true and is the best way to go, however, I think it is more geared towards people living in Thailand or people who spend long periods of time there. There was a clear difference between girls asking about 1000 baht and the girls in Gogo's asking 2-3000 baht, regardless of the venue. I fully understand that those same girls may have a hotter cousin or sister working at the mall or supermarket, but as a tourist with about 2 weeks to spend there, I'd rather get right to business with a quick transaction than to chase after cuties in malls with a 50/50 chance I may make a score, or may be offensive, esp since I don't speak any Thai.

The girls who messaged me after a session, I'm pretty sure that if I told them I only had 700 to spend they would still come over, its better than nothing, one girl even volunteered to come for less. But I have also come across girls who would not budge from their stated price, because with so many other punters around, it won't be long before they get what they are asking for and I have seen that happen over and over again.

Again, thanks for your input and I see that in your type of situation things are still the same, as it seems you live in Thailand.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2460164]DazeUp,

I don't claim to be a TF expert, but I think the point was that the girls get a lot of messages and most of them are from people who are not in Pattaya and frequently not even in the country. TF allows the user to select where they are rather than using geo-location, so people select Pattaya even though they are not here. Girls get tons of messages from guys who are not around (and frequently have little or no real plan to visit but do it for cheap thrills) so frequently ignore messages because they cannot filter the genuine interest from the idle banter.

On the subject of travel plans, may I suggest you read a piece I put on the Bangkok thread a few days ago in response to an OP who was planning an August visit [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2458829[/URL] . Little has changed since apart from politicians chattering about entry (with restrictions) for "businessman, experts and medical tourism" and possible travel bubbles with a very limited, but as yet undefined, list of countries.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this post, news is changing rapidly but I think this post should be pinned until things become clear.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2460350]I totally agree with you. I stayed during 1 week with a girl from a gogo for 1000 everyday! And she was very happy and loved me very much! And I didn't pay any barfine! We had great time! The only problem is when you stay with her 24/7 you need find some excuse to leave her 2/3 hours to go fuck other working girl! And I was scared she knows other girls I fuck in Patt!.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think a lot of punters agree with this. Some girls will get clingy if you repeat with them, that's why I think most would prefer that they see the door as soon as the hour is up. Most of the girls I was with had to be given hints to leave, some were happy to quickly get dressed and see their way out as soon as the session was over. I never repeated, variety is what I'm looking for when I travel. But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session.

"The real tragedy of the economic situation will emerge when the bars actually open in Pattaya. Everyone will be naturally delighted but the reality will be there will be minimal customers available to keep the bars running. We are already seeing this with the massage parlors trying to attract customers that are no longer in the city. This brutal reality will continue through until tourists return back into the country". It is already too late for many bars. The For Sale signs are everywhere. The rest may try to make it happen with the restrictions in place. But that's like the police giving the foreign owned bars a noose to hang themselves. Thai police love to enable foreigners to break the law.

Tourist traps like the GoGo bars and night clubs need tour groups, weekend warriors, and big spenders. What's left are retirees, pensioners, a few stranded tourists, and of course, Monkeypaw. But even I am not about to to drop 7-10,000 baht a night like I used to. The experience is not the same. However a place to drop with my friend from BKK, Molly, is welcomed. But just in case some of the bars consolidate their staff and girls, try to open up for one last run at taking what's left in our wallets before they kick us out, Monkeypaw has his game plan already written.

1. No repeats. Not even for lady drinks.

2. 2 drinks max for any new girls I barfine.

3. No more than 2500ST.

4. No tip or drinks for the mamasans.

5. No making it rain.

6. No ringing the bell.

7. No ping pongs.

8. I don't care about your birthday and pinning 100 baht to your shirt.

I have my stable of girls already on LINE ranging from 1000-2000. One is a model from What's Up. Guess this is like living the retired life for me. Cheapie Charlie me. I had a feeling that phase 5 was more a reward for the local Thais versus Outsiders.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461507]Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya. Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crime/dozens-arrested-in-money-laundering-and-drugs-case[/URL][/QUOTE]Wrong link maybe? Doubt you were caught up in the drug and money laundering raid you linked.

"But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session. " I would argue that a single bad session would automatically mean that she is not a gem, or worth repeating. Why would you?

SE.

Apologies if someone has already posted this. You might, or even might not, be interested in this Sky News report and video about unemployed "sex workers" in Pattaya. The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). But I won't be going to Pattaya for as long as that is current mantra. Even if the borders were open. I really can't imagine fucking with face masks on, I'm just not into that. Looks like my dick will be staying in quarantine for several months more. LOL.

[URL]https://news.sky.com/story/how-thai-sex-workers-are-surviving-as-lockdown-leaves-them-with-no-clients-12014109[/URL]

MP has to be an eternal optimist if there ever was one.

I'm not spending $4. 00 on a govt bus to get to Pattaya with nothing going on.

Even the you tubers got nothing to show but pure economic Devastation.

P.S. Govt should charge Dirt Farang twice the amount for the ride to Pattaya. Still a bargain.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;2461623]The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). But I won't be going to Pattaya for as long as that is current mantra.
[URL]https://news.sky.com/story/how-thai-sex-workers-are-surviving-as-lockdown-leaves-them-with-no-clients-12014109[/URL][/QUOTE]That hasn't been my experience. And from the reports posted from those still here, not their experience either. They talked to a lady on Beach Rd, I've never picked anyone from there. They also talked to a LB, also not my scene. Other than the one soi 6 babe refusing to meet because she's afraid, (at the beginning of the closures,) I've had no issues finding female companionship.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461510]Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't say anything of my own idea. Take it up with Google, Wikipedia, and every internet article that's says "prostitution illegal Thailand." Remember, I'm just here to party.[/QUOTE]I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, you have pointed out and corrected a common misunderstanding of the Thai law regarding prostitution.

It might be clearer for some to think of it this way; It is not in keeping with Thai culture to punish a lady for recieving money she needs to help herself and her family in exchange for sex or to discourage a kind gentleman friend from giving her that money for sex. But it is very much in keeping with Thai culture to punish her for making a public show or spectacle of it. And to punish anyone else for promoting and benefiting from it as a commercial venture rather than to simply provide for a personal need.

What usually adds to the misunderstanding is when we hear about police sweeps of street girls, fines and even jail time for them. But that isn't for the prostitution. It's for creating a public nuisance about it.

And consider this. In all those sweeps of the girls I don't think they ever arrest the customers chatting them up or even walking out of a nearby short time hotel with one. That certainly isn't because the Thai police are cutting us farang P4P customers some slack and don't want to cause trouble for us. It's only because the act of paying money to a consenting adult for sex breaks no Thai law.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2461628]Other than the one soi 6 babe refusing to meet because she's afraid, (at the beginning of the closures,) I've had no issues finding female companionship.[/QUOTE]What the fuck man. I know this chick from the disco that works on Soi 6. Right before the closure I was on Soi 6 collecting contact info and she was all over me. A couple of days later shit closes down. I contact her to come see me and it was the same thing. This shit has been all over the news for 3 months, but you only get terrified and will not come after shit closes down. Yesterday you would have been fine with fucking, but 24 hours later no chance in hell.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;2461623]The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). [/QUOTE]Meanwhile, I am over here slapping my dick on chicks' foreheads and cheeks. Do not believe everything you read. Even when chicks show up to my place wearing a mask I tell them to look around at all the other people. We do not wear masks on this soi. Take that shit off.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]So I bit, clicked, and read. There was the following.

1. A given definition of prostitution which was "sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit."

2. A given punishment and a given fine for the given definition of prostitution. "Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht."

I am not a lawyer by any means, but doesn't 1 and 2 make "prostitution not legal in Thailand." Which was all I wrote. I didn't say it was my own perspective of what I personally think what prostitution is or isn't, which some of posters are trying to say, twisting and bending words to their own personal beliefs. Which is hilarious, because it's pretty much a sex monger's words versus the Thai government. I wonder who will win? If there is a written law and correlated punishment in place and writing, I'm pretty sure then it's an illegal act. To make it more simple, so you and others can understand. If there is not a law in writing like "doing jumping jacks in public space," which there isn't, then those jumping jacks in the public are legal and not subject to arrest or fine or imprisonment. So like I said before, if there is a law on prostitution, then it's probably not legal in Thailand. I said, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have a buddy who works at Siam Legal, who told me that the phrases, "any other benefit" and "or any other place in an open and shameless manner" is subjective to the Thai police which will be always right when it comes to a foreigner coming to their country looking for cheap sex with their females.

Also there is a big difference between "AND" versus "OR" if you or anybody is referring to the whole causing a public nuisance thing. I'm not an English major or is it even my first language, but I think this part is obvious.

Plus, from personal experience. Once I grabbed a last minute, standing at the exit door, girl from Insanity in BKK, way back in 2013. She was drunk and wanted to sleep first. I wanted ST which we agreed on for 2500 and for her to leave after. There was a disagreement. I offered her 200 for taxi to go away. She wanted the entire 2500 baht. She raised hell and called the police. Officers showed up at my Paradiso Suites Soi 10 reception. She told them we had sex and I didn't pay. We did not. I was a newbie still when it came to mongering in Thailand and a bit confused. They took us both to the Lumpini police station where a high ranking officer told me in English "prostitution was not legal. " I was fined 1000 baht for a report that had to be made and let go.

And if that's not enough. For you. This is an article 'FOR" the legalization of prostitution in Thailand not with any "hidden moralistic agenda" against. But what do they know? They are just Thai professors and researchers, that's all. Lastly, I also did a quick Google search using the words "prostitution legal in Thailand. " It came up with nothing. Then I did one with "prostitution illegal in Thailand. " Big difference. Thanks for the wild goose chase. I should have stuck with my immediate intuition. Luckily, I had a shit load of time in Pattaya to do nothing but relax because Soi 6, LK Metro, and Walking Street are closed.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30353452[/URL] "It is an open secret that, despite being illegal, prostitution is widely practised in Thailand. " (first sentence).

[QUOTE=Allover;2461605]Wrong link maybe? Doubt you were caught up in the drug and money laundering raid you linked.[/QUOTE]I should have spaced out my thoughts and sentences. It should have looked more like this.

"Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya.

Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL."

No way am I posting links to me with Pattaya news in ISG, haha. I hung out with some retirees last night in front of Central where the statue is and they recognized me from so many YouTube videos of Pattaya. I did not know I was in these videos. There showed me in many of the Soi 6, GoGo bars, Treetown, and Walking Street videos. Guess I'm famous in my little own indirect way. The article I posted was more of a reference to the beginning of my last post in quotes. You can probably read between the lines to why places like Walking Street in Pattaya or AC even exist for just 50 baht a kilo and next day service.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]From this link we read: "in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit". The latter would make marriage and any other relationship illegal as well, since it people form couples for so many reasons including economic. Prostitution turns out as being more straightforward but the marriage is based on the same principles: exchange of goods, and services but geared towards the longer term and involving more parties (families and kids). But the tenets are almost the same for most men: securing a sex partner. Fact is that if you look well you'll find that most legislator struggle to find a definition for sex that does not apply to marriage and are more guided by moralistic principles than actual good sense and their only purpose is to try to deny the right for consenting adult to act as they please.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2461619]"But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session. " I would argue that a single bad session would automatically mean that she is not a gem, or worth repeating. Why would you?

SE.[/QUOTE]

True, why would a person repeat a girl who has bad service?

[QUOTE=Norweez;2461786]True, why would a person repeat a girl who has bad service?[/QUOTE]I have had sessions that went nowhere and were so bad I aborted them early because the girl adamantly refused to comply with what I needed and wanted in order to make it worth my time and money. Then I got a Line message 2 days later from the girl telling me she changed her mind and would I please give her a second chance.

Sometimes a "second chance" session under those circumstances can be damn good. But I recommend making it crystal clear that if she doesn't do what she is now promising she will do and with the right attitude there will not be one baht in payment, not even taxi fare this time.

Looking at it from the "how much?" aspect of a session instead of the "what for?" aspect of it, wouldn't you agree to see a girl for another good session if the first time around she held firm at 2,500 baht but the next time around she offered the same good service and time for 1,500 baht?

The same thing can apply to the "what for?" aspect of a session.

Imo, repeating for greatly improved service is as good a reason to repeat as doing so for a much lower price, if not an even better reason to do it. But it needs to be locked in with an "or you don't pay anything this time" agreement. If she refuses to agree to those terms then she is very likely planning to waste your time and still get paid something anyway again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2461903] repeating for greatly improved service is as good a reason to repeat as doing so for a much lower price, if not an even better reason to do it. [/QUOTE]I have a slightly different take on this. If the original session was bad I wouldn't do a repeat no matter what the girl said or promised she would do the next time or how good looking she was. Fuck her. She had her chance. There are so many nice girls around. I don't see the point in wasting my time on a loser. But if the original session was ok, but just not great and I felt there was a sincere willingness on the girl's part to make it better and I really liked the way she looked, then I would do a repeat and have done so on several occasions. Sometimes a repeat under those circumstances can be very rewarding and lead to a real nice friendship. Ha Ha. But I got to feel that sincerity to please on the girl's part and the room for improvement or else there is no point.

On the flip side, I have occasionally had first night sessions that were fucking amazing and I really looked forward to repeating with the girl, but every once in a while that highly anticipated repeat turns out to be a big let down. Go figure. Although come to think of it, one of the last times something like that happened to me was when I barfined the original girl's girl friend in between our two nights together. Apparently the original girl did not like my barfining her friend which she made abundantly clear to me on our 2nd night together. So, she made passionate love to me the 1st night and on our 2nd night she was an assembly line - very mechanical. For example: we bareback shagged in the shower with only my feet on the tile floor the 1st night vrs. covered sex in the bed, no DFK the 2nd night. At the time I felt the entire 3 night experience was comical and depressing so I dropped both girls. Ha Ha, but looking back it was a great punting memory, especially that all in 1st night with the original girl. I only wish there could have been a couple more sessions like that first night. I guess I blew it. But I should add that I met both girls at the same time and there was talk of a ménage a trois before I decided to take the original girl first and do her friend later so technically I did nothing that anyone should have gotten upset about. But then I am not a 18 year old Khmer hostess girl, so what do I know. 555.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461566] I never repeated, variety is what I'm looking for when I travel. But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session.[/QUOTE]There have been several posts now responding to Dazeup's post about repeating after a bad session. I believe we have misinterpreted the meaning of his post. Originally I had the same thought as others, why would you repeat a bad session. After reading his post a second time I believe his intent was to say that he rarely repeats, but after having a bad session instead of taking another new girl he will repeat with one of his better sessions in order to not have 2 bad sessions in a row.

I could be wrong, LOL.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]I have no doubt that what you are saying is true and is the best way to go, however, I think it is more geared towards people living in Thailand or people who spend long periods of time there.[/QUOTE]Living somewhere or being a long time visitor has nothing to do with nothing. I say this because I do the same thing everywhere I go. This is part of a report from 2007, my first and only time in Dubai. We left with some Ethiopian chicks out of a pick-up disco and went back to their place without discussing money or anything. These chicks started out wanting 1000 dirham, which at today's rate is US $272. We got them down to 150 dirham, or US $40 at today's rate. We spent the night at their place, me, my wingman, and the 2 chicks, all in the same bed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;653175]we got deeper into our girls. we took their breasts out and started sucking them. i reached over to feel the tits of my wingmans 20-year-old girl. how supple they were. then it was back to dfk and ass grabbing. i started putting my hands inside of her pants in order to see how smooth her ass was. just then, out of nowhere, the subject of money came up! what a mood ruiner. they started with a number but it was in no way magic. 1000. be serious. i countered with 150. they laughed, but finally came down to 500. this is the part of the game where me and my wingman play good-monger, bad-monger.

my girl questioned why we would not give them at least 500. she said that the other guy had just parted with 1000 for their roommate. i told her that its a good thing for me that i was not the other guy. they went on to explain to us how they have to pay 4500 dirham/month for the apartment and 1000 (i dont remember if it was dollars or dirham) every three months for a visa. i was thinking to myself that surely this roach motel does not cost 4500 dirham/month. that is more than my fucking mortgage.

my wingman took over negotiations and using the classic line (havent you ever heard the saying that some money is better than no money?) that he uses worldwide was able to seal the deal at 150 dirham for each of them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]There was a clear difference between girls asking about 1000 baht and the girls in Gogo's asking 2-3000 baht, regardless of the venue. I fully understand that those same girls may have a hotter cousin or sister working at the mall or supermarket, but as a tourist with about 2 weeks to spend there, I'd rather get right to business with a quick transaction than to chase after cuties in malls with a 50/50 chance I may make a score, or may be offensive, esp since I don't speak any Thai.[/QUOTE]The thing is that this is Pattaya. You do not need a gogo to get right to business. You only need a gogo to fleece you of your money. 90% of the chicks you fix your eyes to here are on the game. That means there is no chasing and no Thai is needed (most speak English anyway. I don't know where it comes from that English is not common among chicks in Pattaya). See a chick walking down the street or in a store and it is simply where are you going? (The first chick I fucked in Thailand (Angels Disco, Nana Hotel, Bangkok 2005) told me the most important thing you need to know to pick up chicks in Thailand is Where are you going; and she taught me to say it in Thai. The first Thai words I learned.) I am going with you.

You see a cutie in the mall. It is simply, what time you finish work; I want to meet with you. It is shooting fish in a barrel that does not have water in it. You can not miss. I have made report after report after report of this nature. If you are shy or whatever and have a fear of approaching a woman unless it is in a hooker den, then that is a horse of another color.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]The girls who messaged me after a session, I'm pretty sure that if I told them I only had 700 to spend they would still come over, its better than nothing, one girl even volunteered to come for less. But I have also come across girls who would not budge from their stated price, because with so many other punters around, it won't be long before they get what they are asking for and I have seen that happen over and over again.[/QUOTE]Chicks have messaged me wanting to come, and me not wanting to be bothered have told them I do not have any money. At which time they have said not to worry about money and that everything is not about money.

I fucked a chick the other day that wanted 1000 for short time. I told her that long time is 1000 and short time is 700. She opted for short time. I went to her room and fucked her. I told her that from now on I was only giving her 500 for short time and she agreed.

I think it all comes down to mongering style. A lot of times I read guys saying it is only an X baht difference. Don't go home wishing you had just went ahead and paid it. The truth of the matter is that today I remember none of the girls that would not budge. My mongering style is to get right to the point. Let's go fuck. How much do you want? If a chick does not want to accept what I am willing to pay or I am not willing to pay what she will accept, then it goes in one ear and out the other and I simply move to the next. There is no regretting and harping on it was only X more baht and could have possibly been the mother of all mongering sessions. Maybe for a guy that has to have some needle in a haystack he was seeking out that it took him 3 days to find, but I have never seen a turtle with speed or a chick that I need. And here in Thailand, there are so many chicks that will accept what I am paying, that a beat is not skipped if I don't reach an agreement with one.

Now if my mongering style was to be caked up in some bar or gogo or even disco plying a chick with drinks, aka making an investment trying to establish some chemistry, rapport, or whatever else, then the it is only an X baht difference may come into play. Hell, I would have already invested so much time and money in the chick, so sure then maybe go ahead and pay it. Good thing for me is that I am not that kind of monger. I prefer the no investment speed dating style over the investment courtship style. If she will not budge, then I have lost nothing, and I remember it the same way as I remember what I had for lunch on January 16th.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2461925]I have a slightly different take on this. If the original session was bad I wouldn't do a repeat no matter what the girl said or promised she would do the next time or how good looking she was. Fuck her. She had her chance. There are so many nice girls around. I don't see the point in wasting my time on a loser. But if the original session was ok, but just not great and I felt there was a sincere willingness on the girl's part to make it better and I really liked the way she looked, then I would do a repeat and have done so on several occasions. Sometimes a repeat under those circumstances can be very rewarding and lead to a real nice friendship. Ha Ha. But I got to feel that sincerity to please on the girl's part and the room for improvement or else there is no point.

On the flip side, I have occasionally had first night sessions that were fucking amazing and I really looked forward to repeating with the girl, but every once in a while that highly anticipated repeat turns out to be a big let down. Go figure. Although come to think of it, one of the last times something like that happened to me was when I barfined the original girl's girl friend in between our two nights together. Apparently the original girl did not like my barfining her friend which she made abundantly clear to me on our 2nd night together. So, she made passionate love to me the 1st night and on our 2nd night she was an assembly line - very mechanical. For example: we bareback shagged in the shower with only my feet on the tile floor the 1st night vrs. covered sex in the bed, no DFK the 2nd night. At the time I felt the entire 3 night experience was comical and depressing so I dropped both girls. Ha Ha, but looking back it was a great punting memory, especially that all in 1st night with the original girl. I only wish there could have been a couple more sessions like that first night. I guess I blew it. But I should add that I met both girls at the same time and there was talk of a mnage a trois before I decided to take the original girl first and do her friend later so technically I did nothing that anyone should have gotten upset about. But then I am not a 18 year old Khmer hostess girl, so what do I know. 555.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about "Fuck her. She had her chance" and not repeating under any circumstances if the session was bad for reasons beyond her stopping everything cold at the moment of penetration because a "go with the flow in the room" approach went horribly bad for me and she would in no way go for, lay there for or allow BBFS+CIP or replace it with BBBJ+CIM, which is what I was alluding to in my example.

At that point, the session is over and I will pay her something for her time and whatever else we've done up to that point, on a case by case basis. Often I will pay the entire going rate or what we agreed on. My bad for "going with the flow in the room" instead of making the "what for?" part of the arrangement as clear as possible upfront.

In which case the girl changing her mind later and wanting a second chance is fine, can even be great. But she would need to agree to those "if I don't, then you don't pay me anything" terms. I have also worked a lower payment into second chance sessions like that.

I have definitely had the second session go the way you described after taking a girl's friend or even just another girl in the same bar when the first girl wasn't around! LOL. Hell, I've had girls I've taken 4 times say NO to a fifth time after I dared to take another girl from the same bar in between.

Thumbs down!

This place is the last place before reaching Soi Bukhao.

I picked a girl and we agreed on bumbum for 1000.

When I asked for 69 she said anything apart from 69. Just my luck. I asked if menses was the problem she said no. Stubborn as a pig.

Was she a LB and that was why she didn't want any position that afforded close scrutiny? Didn't look like a LB at all though.

I gave her 200 and left to have a foot massage in Soi Bukhao.

[QUOTE=XXL;2461983]Thumbs down!

This place is the last place before reaching Soi Bukhao.

I picked a girl and we agreed on bumbum for 1000.

When I asked for 69 she said anything apart from 69. Just my luck. I asked if menses was the problem she said no. Stubborn as a pig.

Was she a LB and that was why she didn't want any position that afforded close scrutiny? Didn't look like a LB at all though.

I gave her 200 and left to have a foot massage in Soi Bukhao.[/QUOTE]Was she a 1000 baht quality girl? Usually, girls know their own worth and all it takes is a few more hundreds to get what you want. Maybe due to the recession in Pattaya and she wasn't able to get her ass waxed, and she didn't want you to see?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2461938]There have been several posts now responding to Dazeup's post about repeating after a bad session. I believe we have misinterpreted the meaning of his post. Originally I had the same thought as others, why would you repeat a bad session. After reading his post a second time I believe his intent was to say that he rarely repeats, but after having a bad session instead of taking another new girl he will repeat with one of his better sessions in order to not have 2 bad sessions in a row.

I could be wrong, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks HP, that's exactly what I meant. The only time I would consider repeating is if I had a bad session and didn't want to risk another one with a new girl. But Thai girls almost always came through with good service.

Variety is appealing, I sessioned with a black girl, a Filipina (not much for variety in Thailand I guess) and considered a Hispanic and white chic but their looks didn't really match the premium they were asking for the variety aspect they were offering.

One reason why I regret the no repeat rule was there was this one girl in her early thirties that I found online. I shoot for younger but she had a nice exotic look about her and a very nice body. I told her you have a nice body and she responded; I know. After we agreed on price she asked me for a pic. I sent her a full body pic without showing my face. She says she needs the face pic. I asked her what she needs the face pic for, were not dating, its an ST thing. She says she won't come without a face pic. So I send her another pic with my eyes blurred out. She sends an angry face and says that she can't see my face properly, LOL. I say F her to myself and ignore her, thinking shell eventually message me about location. She doesn't LOL. So eventually after about 2 hours I give in and she wins, I send her a face pic. We agree on a time.

When she walks through the door, she is very elegant, she looks better than her pics. She's wearing a very nice long dress so I can't make out the body that much, but it added to the aura of class and elegance about her (yeah, I know she is a hooker, but goes to show.). We so small talk for a while before getting down to business.

There was no rush at all, she gave this unforgettable slow BJ and alternated between a slow sensual BJ and a slow sensual HJ in exact intervals, you would have though she was timing it with a stopwatch. I let her have full control of the action after that experience and just let her lead the way to see what else she would do. Stellar session it was, her body was as beautiful as the pics she sent. She had a darker tone to her, I'm not familiar with the areas in Thailand but it was just the perfect complexion in my opinion.

After the session and she showered, she stuck around for some conversation. I usually try not to talk much and give short answers so as to give them the hint there's nothing else going on here and its time to go. But she just looked so nice and exotic in that dress and the conversation was intelligent, I was enjoying it. I asked her if she wanted anything to drink, but when I opened the fridge I had nothing but water left. We talked until she said she had to go about an hour or so later.

The next day she messaged and I ignored her looking for that greener grass. I would definitely repeat with her or a girl like her again in the future. Hopefully wouldn't click to the point of attachment and get stuck with her like an idiot, but it is definitely a possibility that I would be that idiot and let that happen if she kept going on like that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2461947] This is part of a report from 2007, my first and only time in Dubai. We left with some Ethiopian chicks out of a pick-up disco and went back to their place without discussing money or anything. These chicks started out wanting 1000 dirham, which at today's rate is US $272. We got them down to 150 dirham, or US $40 at today's rate. We spent the night at their place, me, my wingman, and the 2 chicks, all in the same bed. [/QUOTE]This is what I don't understand about the Dubai, the nut case prices. A few sessions in Dubai for the prices girls are asking and guys are paying would pay for a round trip to Thailand including bed and breakfast. Can't get my head around the $300+ prices that are being paid there. The lowest I could get a girl for in Dubai while I was transiting there was a massage and FS by a Viet girl at my hotel for 400 dhs. I didn't pay for her cab fare and the service was good, but it was 3 or 4 times the cost of what you would pay in Thailand for the same experience.

You usually post pics of cuties Mr E but those girls don't look like they should be getting more than $20 in my opinion. Dubai is nuts!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2461948]The thing is that this is Pattaya. You do not need a gogo to get right to business. You only need a gogo to fleece you of your money. 90% of the chicks you fix your eyes to here are on the game. That means there is no chasing and no Thai is needed (most speak English anyway. I don't know where it comes from that English is not common among chicks in Pattaya). See a chick walking down the street or in a store and it is simply where are you going? (The first chick I fucked in Thailand (Angels Disco, Nana Hotel, Bangkok 2005) told me the most important thing you need to know to pick up chicks in Thailand is Where are you going; and she taught me to say it in Thai. The first Thai words I learned.) I am going with you. [/QUOTE]LOL, words I will never forget: "Where you goooo. " This is news to me, thanks for the info, I had no idea the majority of the girls were P4P, I saw many cute girls in their workplace, including a stunning receptionist and an even cuter dentist. Some of the waitresses were pretty as well. Will try this the next time I'm there, if ever. Hopefully I won't get jumped by a mob of angry Thai dudes. If I do, I hope you're around to make it up with a beer while I tell you the story.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2461949]I fucked a chick the other day that wanted 1000 for short time. I told her that long time is 1000 and short time is 700. She opted for short time. I went to her room and fucked her. I told her that from now on I was only giving her 500 for short time and she agreed. [/QUOTE]Will be my strategy going forward. Wonder if this works with outcall as well. I don't like going to the girls rooms.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2461949]I think it all comes down to mongering style. A lot of times I read guys saying it is only an X baht difference. Don't go home wishing you had just went ahead and paid it. The truth of the matter is that today I remember none of the girls that would not budge. [/QUOTE]There was a model looking girl that I met online that wouldn't budge from 3000, she started with 5000. I regret not paying the 3000, but then again maybe that because I'm not in monger playland right now, I was too busy for regrets while I was there. She kept sending me these amazing nude pics and vids to entice me, I will leave that report for the BKK thread since this was in BKK.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461546]18-inch cheese is bigger than two 12-inch pizzas at most places. Sauce is pretty legit and homemade. Crust is a bit doughy for me. I prefer it with a bit more crisp. Bought an XL cheese for 420, took it home and reheated it in a pan to make it crispy. Doing it this way puts Bronx at my top pizza in Pattaya. So in this order for best so far. Any others I should try?[/QUOTE]I agree with Mr. Paw that Bronx Pizza makes some mighty tasty pizza. The 18-inch pie is not cheap at 420-475 baht (depending on toppings). But that is one ginormous pie -- easily enough to last several days using a skillet to reheat the slices as needed. (Don't use the microwave. It makes the pizza soggy and limp.) I prefer the "chew" in Bronx Pizza's crust, which is the "New York pizza" crust that I like. But if you prefer a crispier texture, just ask them and they'll leave your pie in the oven a trifle longer. As for what Mr. Paw should try next, I recommend their Bronx Pizza, which features Italian sausage, green pepper and onion.

[URL]https://bronxpizzapattaya.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2462014]This is what I don't understand about the Dubai, the nut case prices. A few sessions in Dubai for the prices girls are asking and guys are paying would pay for a round trip to Thailand including bed and breakfast. Can't get my head around the $300+ prices that are being paid there. The lowest I could get a girl for in Dubai while I was transiting there was a massage and FS by a Viet girl at my hotel for 400 dhs. I didn't pay for her cab fare and the service was good, but it was 3 or 4 times the cost of what you would pay in Thailand for the same experience.

You usually post pics of cuties Mr E but those girls don't look like they should be getting more than $20 in my opinion. Dubai is nuts!

LOL, words I will never forget: "Where you goooo. " This is news to me, thanks for the info, I had no idea the majority of the girls were P4P, I saw many cute girls in their workplace, including a stunning receptionist and an even cuter dentist. Some of the waitresses were pretty as well. Will try this the next time I'm there, if ever. Hopefully I won't get jumped by a mob of angry Thai dudes. If I do, I hope you're around to make it up with a beer while I tell you the story.

Will be my strategy going forward. Wonder if this works with outcall as well. I don't like going to the girls rooms.

There was a model looking girl that I met online that wouldn't budge from 3000, she started with 5000. I regret not paying the 3000, but then again maybe that because I'm not in monger playland right now, I was too busy for regrets while I was there. She kept sending me these amazing nude pics and vids to entice me, I will leave that report for the BKK thread since this was in BKK.[/QUOTE]I'll never pay a Thai girl less than 1000. I don't want to become bad boy and exploit the girl too much! I think 1000 is a very good price. Even 1500 is good. But what I want absolutely is BBFS CIP. I fuck only bareback!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461999]Was she a 1000 baht quality girl? Usually, girls know their own worth and all it takes is a few more hundreds to get what you want. Maybe due to the recession in Pattaya and she wasn't able to get her ass waxed, and she didn't want you to see?[/QUOTE]Never Truer words said.

Girls know what a guy will pay for Sex with her. Not her gorgeous friend.

Please people these girls are not the idiots many make them out to be.

Had a nice going away dinner and chat with XXL and another guy from PA at Jolly's on Soi Boo Cow. We were the only people there from 7 until about 8 pm. Thanks to XXL for the treat. The guy is pretty legit and quite young in spirit for some one his age. He sees a girl he likes and has no problem going up to her and trying. Not saying he succeeds all the time, but the fact that he keeps trying is something worth mentioning. Tall Russian chick with 4 muscle heads surrounding her or not, XXL doesn't give a damn. We usually meet regularly at Treetown before the raids and even dropped on 4/20 at a little get together held by guys from PA. My first time rolling with a group like that. Very spiritual 3 hours. Anyways, have a good trip back Europe XXL.

Does this just leave me as the "Last Weekend Warrior" in Pattaya in the whole wide world? Maybe I should just say "Warrior" since I do this for way much longer than a weekend. I've met a bunch of stranded tourists in the last 4 months. But when we share stories about Pattaya, they look at me in awe. My stories at the Go Go bars seem unbelievable to them. Lord, forbid we share pics of the quality of girls we've hunted, which we did. I figure it would come down to this. Just Monkeypaw, the models, the coyotes, and the GoGo bars if they dare to open on Wednesday. Saw a couple of bars at LK Metro doing some cleaning, but not sure what for. Let's see what they do or if they have the guts to try to open.

1. Beach Road girls / ladyboys Sunday to Thurs about 100 of them from Pattaya Klang to bit past Royal Garden. Friday and Saturday much less due to locals swarming the beach on the weekend. Few hookers on Buakhao now, still quite a few LBs around that area and that massage street next to Lengkee.

2. 99% Indian restaurants still closed. Chinese seafood places as well.

3. Almost everything on and near Walking Street is closed.

4. Some hotels are opened, but most that do are still empty.

5. Food lines are still happening daily all over the city.

6. Even TF looks thinner in Pattaya for females specs age 18-29, under 50 kg.

7. Travel agencies / Tour operators all shut down.

8. Hooters BR still closed.

9. Kiss on Second Road about 3 people dining at 6:45 pm Sunday.

10. McD's only opened at TukCom, and Avenue that I know of.

11. Treetown is restricted and 80% less busier than before the raids.

12. Sex can still be found at the massage shops around Buakhao and Soi Honey. Service and quality is a different story.

Basically, if it was a Tourist Trap, whether it was a restaurant, night market, bar, club, massage shop, or whatever type of business or scam it was and you never saw the locals spending their cash at these types of places. It still is closed. Because businesses that operate as tourist traps need tourists to trap. Am I wrong?

[QUOTE=Bunky;2462097]I agree with Mr. Paw that Bronx Pizza makes some mighty tasty pizza. The 18-inch pie is not cheap at 420-475 baht (depending on toppings). But that is one ginormous pie -- easily enough to last several days using a skillet to reheat the slices as needed. (Don't use the microwave. It makes the pizza soggy and limp.) I prefer the "chew" in Bronx Pizza's crust, which is the "New York pizza" crust that I like. But if you prefer a crispier texture, just ask them and they'll leave your pie in the oven a trifle longer. As for what Mr. Paw should try next, I recommend their Bronx Pizza, which features Italian sausage, green pepper and onion.

[URL]https://bronxpizzapattaya.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Another member PMed a helpful list and article. At least 2 of the 6 (NY Pizza and Bronx) I mentioned where on my list (of which I tried, but not saying the are the best in Pattaya by any means). Look forward to trying Urban Pizza in the future. But is it really #1?

[URL]https://pattayaunplugged.com/who-has-pattayas-perfect-pizza/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2462008]The next day she messaged and I ignored her looking for that greener grass.[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn man you are hard. I don't have a particular rule not to repeat. I just do not do it because my fuckit list is already a km long and I am trying to work other chicks in. Whatever the case, I don't ignore anyone. I am still cordial with them. Never know when you will need somebody for something.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2462068]If you are on a Budget many dark skin Thais available for less than 1,000 baht. Dark skin very undesirable when your main demographic is EZ going Asians.[/QUOTE]The light ones must be very undesirable as well since the picture I posted of the 700 baht girl (that will take 500 from now on) shows that she is light, bright, and damn near white. Back to the drawing board with that theory.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2462014]Will be my strategy going forward. Wonder if this works with outcall as well. I don't like going to the girls rooms.[/QUOTE]90% of chicks will insist on going to your room. I can't really think of any chicks inviting me to come to their room. It is always me inviting myself. That particular chick asked if I had a room first. I told her that I would come to hers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2462219]90% of chicks will insist on going to your room. I can't really think of any chicks inviting me to come to their room. It is always me inviting myself. That particular chick asked if I had a room first. I told her that I would come to hers.[/QUOTE]But I prefer they come my room! Because first it's clean, and I love to hide my phone and make movie of me and the girl when we fuck!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2461999]Was she a 1000 baht quality girl? Usually, girls know their own worth and all it takes is a few more hundreds to get what you want. Maybe due to the recession in Pattaya and she wasn't able to get her ass waxed, and she didn't want you to see?[/QUOTE]Dumb then because I prefer unwaxed and unshaven. Good luck making her understand such a preference though. Thailand is the last place on Earth to get girls not to mind about things like that.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2462112]I'll never pay a Thai girl less than 1000. I don't want to become bad boy and exploit the girl too much! I think 1000 is a very good price. Even 1500 is good. But what I want absolutely is BBFS CIP. I fuck only bareback![/QUOTE]To each their own, but if you insist on being a gentleman, it's far worse to insist that a girl must risk disease (with no risk mitigation possible) and potential pregnancy / abortion (if she didn't do birth control right), than to get her for the lowest price she's willing to accept.

There's a vocal bareback contingent here, and while you have every right to talk about it, I also have the right to say how sickening, reckless and selfish it is. It's one thing to take the risk yourself, but very different to make a working girl take it, given that she needs to service 1000's of men over her career. Personally, I'd never consider BBFS with a working girl, especially not with a girl who offered or accepted it in the first session.

Perhaps I'll change my mind and insist on bareback once I get over 70 and don't care for myself since I'm about to die anyway, and don't give a shit about others because I turned into a selfish prick. Once I can no longer get it up, maybe I should learn to enjoy paying people to cross the beach road blindfolded, and see what happens (most of the time it ends up ok). For 1000 baht, I'm sure there will be sufficiently desperate takers, especially when traffic seems light.

[QUOTE=XXL;2461983]Thumbs down!

This place is the last place before reaching Soi Bukhao.

I picked a girl and we agreed on bumbum for 1000.

When I asked for 69 she said anything apart from 69. Just my luck. I asked if menses was the problem she said no. Stubborn as a pig.

Was she a LB and that was why she didn't want any position that afforded close scrutiny? Didn't look like a LB at all though.

I gave her 200 and left to have a foot massage in Soi Bukhao.[/QUOTE]Maybe not a bad thing that she didn't agree for 69.

The place is not very clean, I'm not even sure that the girls take a shower after a session with their customer in that place.

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[QUOTE=Roginho;2462313]How can one be so selfish and careless to have bare back sex! Many girls do it because they have no choice. It's exploitation.[/QUOTE]Many girls do it because it was their choice. What is that called?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2462316]Many girls do it because it WAS their choice. What is that called?[/QUOTE]If those girls had our knowledge as far as all diseases are concerned and had enough money to get by and support their families and had the choice of a suitable job in a somehow stable economic situation, they would not choose to do that with total strangers. If someone says or pretends that it was her choice or she did not object, then it's just an easy way to justify one's behaviour, as simple as that.

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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2462303]To each their own, but if you insist on being a gentleman, it's far worse to insist that a girl must risk disease (with no risk mitigation possible) and potential pregnancy / abortion (if she didn't do birth control right), than to get her for the lowest price she's willing to accept.

There's a vocal bareback contingent here, and while you have every right to talk about it, I also have the right to say how sickening, reckless and selfish it is. It's one thing to take the risk yourself, but very different to make a working girl take it, given that she needs to service 1000's of men over her career. Personally, I'd never consider BBFS with a working girl, especially not with a girl who offered or accepted it in the first session.

Perhaps I'll change my mind and insist on bareback once I get over 70 and don't care for myself since I'm about to die anyway, and don't give a shit about others because I turned into a selfish prick. Once I can no longer get it up, maybe I should learn to enjoy paying people to cross the beach road blindfolded, and see what happens (most of the time it ends up ok). For 1000 baht, I'm sure there will be sufficiently desperate takers, especially when traffic seems light.[/QUOTE]That's extremely well put. I am never going to say someone going for bb is wrong or not. But for me it has always been sickening, exploiting girls especially here in SE asia. And even someone is not worried about them getting sick, but what about pregnancy especially in Thailand where abortion is consider "sin". Again, not trying to rant, but I think it's a careless thing. I know couple of Mongers here has done vasectomy, which makes BB much more responsible. I'm well aware, what I am saying is quite meaningless on a forum about prostitution, but still.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2462350]That's extremely well put. I am never going to say someone going for bb is wrong or not. But for me it has always been sickening, exploiting girls especially here in SE asia. And even someone is not worried about them getting sick, but what about pregnancy especially in Thailand where abortion is consider "sin". Again, not trying to rant, but I think it's a careless thing. I know couple of Mongers here has done vasectomy, which makes BB much more responsible. I'm well aware, what I am saying is quite meaningless on a forum about prostitution, but still.[/QUOTE]Is it fair the local lasses for free or a fraction of what they charge foreigners. Do guys who blow their life savings get compassion? Unless the monger has game or high income. I see the girl as having the advantage. Some girls earn more than military pensioners. So it's OK for a girl to get $300 each Western Union payments from a dozen men? Mongers can lose in Pattaya. Pattaya is not for everyone and Mr. E system is not for everyone. I consider him a mentor and use to love his system. But now I prefer to get out the Thai game soon. I choose not to visit Patts 3 years down the road. It is my fave destination. With Walking St and Soi 6 quality nosediving my new system would be over 3 k baht for the top 20% prettiest Thai women. Which will make the Bottom 80 disco goers irate because they can't get paid. I'm against flying 20+ hours to pay average looking women. Hey! What do I know? I'm not a senior citizen and have taken a harsh stance on P4P. Soon anything below 8/10 cannot get in my wallet. I would do a 7 for free. In closing it's best I stay away from Patts in 2023.

Thai hookers come from a multi varied background, have wide differences in attitudes and preferences as well as personalities and sexual proclivities. As the long dead TV narrator used to say, "There are 8 million stories in the Naked City". So, there is no one generalization that can cover all individuals that you may find in the market place, but in my brief experiences in LOS, I can definitely say that NO GIRL ever BAREBACKED ME AGAINST HER WILL or did anything with me that she did not want to do. It Never Happened ! It was always voluntary sex and I have a feeling that is the way it is in a vast majority of hookups.

We are talking about Thai girls, right? Ha Ha. So many times it is the girl who insists on a condom and the choice she offers me is either condom time, forget about sex with me time, or settle for a BJ time. At other times girls just jumped on my cock giving me very little time to decide if I want to play it safe or not. I am sure there are some guys that insist on some truly gnarly things like peeing on a girl or shitting on her face or something and they get there way with weak, vulnerable girls, or with wild anything goes girls, but almost all of the Thai girls I meet are on the conservative side sexually speaking and furthermore know exactly how to stand up for their sexual preferences (their do's & don'ts) and they don't do a damn thing they don't want to do or that is not in their unwritten job description and that includes becoming a prostitute in the 1st place. The key word being "most" Thai girls. Keep in mind that millions of poor, young, Thai girls choose not to enter the profession. "Up to you" as they say.

But if you disagree with this assessment you should probably be consistent with your moral convictions and stop seeing Hookers.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2462360]Sex without a condom is not rape. Not even close. I had a girl who I had to disappoint repeatedly because I would always insist on using a condom. Many girls don't like condoms as do most guys.[/QUOTE]Each time I go Thailand, Bangkok, Pattaya or even Cambodia, I never speak about condom! 90% of time, girls even don't ask condoms!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2462369]Thai hookers come from a multi varied background, have wide differences in attitudes and preferences as well as personalities and sexual proclivities. There is no one blanket statement that can cover all individuals that you may find in the market place, but in my brief experiences in LOS, NO GIRL ever BAREBACKED AGAINST HER WILL or did anything with me that she did not want to do. Never! It was always voluntary and I have a feeling that is the way it is in a vast majority of hookups. We are talking about Thai girls, right? Ha Ha. So, many many times it was the girl who insisted on a condom and it the choice she offered me was either condom time, forget about sex with me time, or settle for a BJ time. At other times girls just jumped on my cock giving me little time to decide if I wanted to play it safe or not. I sure there are guys that insist on bareback or other truly gnarly things like peeing on a girl or eating her shit and get there way with weak, vulnerable girls, or wild anything goes girls, but almost all of the girls I meet know how to stand up for their preferences and they don't do a damn thing they don't want to do or that is not in their unwritten job description and that includes becoming a prostitute in the 1st place. The key word being "most" girls.[/QUOTE]You're totally true! Girls know exactly what they want! It's just 90% of girls don't use condoms and don't ask men to use condom. But if they insist to put condom, then I'll use condom. And sometimes they ask you to put condoms, only because they know they can get more money! Last time a famous sexy girl in famous bar in Soi 6 told me, she fucks only with condom! I just answered her that with condom I'm not horny and I don't like to use condoms. I just say please.

And then the girl in less 20 seconds answered me: "ok no condom but you give me 1000 more" ! I say YES and she was happy! And at the end of the act, I was even surprised, because I didn't ask anything and she told me directly "darling, please come in my pussy."

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2462369]Thai hookers come from a multi varied background, have wide differences in attitudes and preferences as well as personalities and sexual proclivities. As the long dead TV narrator used to say, "There are 8 million stories in the Naked City". So, there is no one generalization that can cover all individuals that you may find in the market place, but in my brief experiences in LOS, I can definitely say that NO GIRL ever BAREBACKED ME AGAINST HER WILL or did anything with me that she did not want to do. It Never Happened ! It was always voluntary sex and I have a feeling that is the way it is in a vast majority of hookups.

We are talking about Thai girls, right? Ha Ha. So many times it is the girl who insists on a condom and the choice she offers me is either condom time, forget about sex with me time, or settle for a BJ time. At other times girls just jumped on my cock giving me very little time to decide if I wanted to play it safe or not. I am sure there are some guys that insist on bareback or other truly gnarly things like peeing on a girl or shitting on her and they get there way with weak, vulnerable girls, or wild anything goes girls, but almost all of the Thai girls I meet are on the conservative side sexually speaking and furthermore know exactly how to stand up for their sexual preferences (their do's & don'ts) and they don't do a damn thing they don't want to do or that is not in their unwritten job description and that includes becoming a prostitute in the 1st place. The key word being "most" Thai girls.

If you disagree with this assessment you should be consistent with your moral convictions and probably stop seeing Hookers.[/QUOTE]I think "most" is the key. I know many who after seeing me 2-3 times suggest to have BB sex, and then gets turned down. And many thai WGs love sex without condom, that's their choice.

Now their are also many who "choose" to do bareback because they know they won't get the money if they say no, because competition is cut-throat. They do it just to pay bills, medicine and parent's bills and if they're unlucky, they will have to feed a child too quite soon. Did they chooae to do bareback? Yes. Did someone forced them to do it? No. It's a very gray zone, no one is really a "culprit", but we know who will be victim in worst case. I believe most WGs are naive and stupid to get knocked up in their early 20's and even before sometimes, and live as single mom. That's why I believe it's quite irresponsible to do bareback with a hooker, especially someone who is too young to have child. And I don't buy it that someone can't come without condom.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2462374]I think "most" is the key. I know many who after seeing me 2-3 times suggest to have BB sex, and then gets turned down. And many thai WGs love sex without condom, that's their choice.

Now their are also many who "choose" to do bareback because they know they won't get the money if they say no, because competition is cut-throat. They do it just to pay bills, medicine and parent's bills and if they're unlucky, they will have to feed a child too quite soon. Did they chooae to do bareback? Yes. Did someone forced them to do it? No. It's a very gray zone, no one is really a "culprit", but we know who will be victim in worst case. I believe most WGs are naive and stupid to get knocked up in their early 20's and even before sometimes, and live as single mom. That's why I believe it's quite irresponsible to do bareback with a hooker, especially someone who is too young to have child. And I don't buy it that someone can't come without condom.[/QUOTE]OK, here is a quick one for you! If you really want to BB and you are concerned about the girls, then go to the Doctor and get the snip snip done! Then no problem ever. BB without guilt!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2462214]The light ones must be very undesirable as well since the picture I posted of the 700 baht girl (that will take 500 from now on) shows that she is light, bright, and damn near white. Back to the drawing board with that theory.[/QUOTE]She must be Hella ugly. MP says girls know their True value.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2458255]Right now the few very sexy gogos girls who stay in Pattaya during the confinement go very easily with expatriates for 1000ST. My friend who lives in Pattaya told me right now he fuck the most lovely sexy ladies of Pattaya for 1000ST bareback! These girls who asked before 3000 to 5000 for ST in gogos in WS or SOI LK fuck very easily for 1000. Like my friend say, there is nobody in Patt now, ot's better for these girls to get 1000 than nothing! Only few girls ask him between 200 to 500 more for bareback!

He told me now he fuck the sexy girls everyday, and love to do BRFS and CIP.[/QUOTE]I fully confirm. A friend of mines, resident in Bangkok, recently moved to Pattaya, staying at Avani (former Marriott), 5 stars hotel. He has been hosting for 3 days a 21 years old model in his luxury Terrace Suite and pays her 1000 baht / day +, obviously, breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks in the hotel. She is very happy and he fucks her in every hole 2 - 3 times / day, without condom. And he is 65!

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2462351]This ego-maniac jerk again.

He must have no life or social circle outside of this forum. Always trying to prove how "smart" he is.............[/QUOTE]+1. Whenever I see a post bearing the name I keep on scrolling.

Great run down of the current scene, thanks.

I would go for the Highlander tag instead of weekend warrior at this point.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2462202]Had a nice going away dinner and chat with XXL and another guy from PA at Jolly's on Soi Boo Cow. We were the only people there from 7 until about 8 pm. Thanks to XXL for the treat. The guy is pretty legit and quite young in spirit for some one his age. He sees a girl he likes and has no problem going up to her and trying. Not saying he succeeds all the time, but the fact that he keeps trying is something worth mentioning. Tall Russian chick with 4 muscle heads surrounding her or not, XXL doesn't give a damn. We usually meet regularly at Treetown before the raids and even dropped on 4/20 at a little get together held by guys from PA. My first time rolling with a group like that. Very spiritual 3 hours. Anyways, have a good trip back Europe XXL.

Does this just leave me as the "Last Weekend Warrior" in Pattaya in the whole wide world? Maybe I should just say "Warrior" since I do this for way much longer than a weekend. I've met a bunch of stranded tourists in the last 4 months. But when we share stories about Pattaya, they look at me in awe. My stories at the Go Go bars seem unbelievable to them. Lord, forbid we share pics of the quality of girls we've hunted, which we did. I figure it would come down to this. Just Monkeypaw, the models, the coyotes, and the GoGo bars if they dare to open on Wednesday. Saw a couple of bars at LK Metro doing some cleaning, but not sure what for. Let's see what they do or if they have the guts to try to open.

1. Beach Road girls / ladyboys Sunday to Thurs about 100 of them from Pattaya Klang to bit past Royal Garden. Friday and Saturday much less due to locals swarming the beach on the weekend. Few hookers on Buakhao now, still quite a few LBs around that area and that massage street next to Lengkee.

2. 99% Indian restaurants still closed. Chinese seafood places as well.

3. Almost everything on and near Walking Street is closed.

4. Some hotels are opened, but most that do are still empty.

5. Food lines are still happening daily all over the city.

6. Even TF looks thinner in Pattaya for females specs age 18-29, under 50 kg.

7. Travel agencies / Tour operators all shut down.

8. Hooters BR still closed.

9. Kiss on Second Road about 3 people dining at 6:45 pm Sunday.

10. McD's only opened at TukCom, and Avenue that I know of.

11. Treetown is restricted and 80% less busier than before the raids.

12. Sex can still be found at the massage shops around Buakhao and Soi Honey. Service and quality is a different story.

Basically, if it was a Tourist Trap, whether it was a restaurant, night market, bar, club, massage shop, or whatever type of business or scam it was and you never saw the locals spending their cash at these types of places. It still is closed. Because businesses that operate as tourist traps need tourists to trap. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

I did a short around town yesterday afternoon and came to pretty much the same conclusion as M. P. , I started going down Soi 6, no sign of opening, then up Soi 8, down Soi 7, no sign of opening, down Beach road into W. S. Went through Soi 15, down Soi Diamond no sign of opening only Coco Go Go seem to be doing construction or closed wouldn't be surprised. Continued down W. S. Back around Marine Hotel into 2nd Road, lots of small businesses closed or gone especially all the Indian restaurants the 7/11 at the corner of Soi Diamond /2nd Road pretty of homeless? Sitting around and talking including a farang homeless / drunk?

Down Soi Baukhao starting Pattaya Tai end didn't see any real activity to small bars opening but did notice the area where Golden Times is located clubs like 555 had their doors open getting ready? Down into LK metro noticed Crystal Club, Queens, KinK and Scooter bar had their doors opened getting ready?

When it comes to Treetown, the owners got their hands slapped for trying to jump the gun and take advantage of their position putting locals in a bad position to be noticed? Beer Hub is closed and not due to the raid.