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How about providing a decent tip just because you can? Because the money means nothing to you and a great deal to them? How about relaxing the sneering contempt a bit and showing a little compassion, which might even make you feel good? How about trying to stop taking advantage of poor, uneducated people just because it makes you feel good, which says more about you than about them? Or how about just treating "them" with some respect and civility just because "they" are human beings, just like you? Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1135076]Or how about just treating "them" with some respect and civility just because "they" are human beings, just like you? Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?GE[/QUOTE]Hear, hear, GE! Brilliantly and compassionately spoken.

Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1135111]Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.[/QUOTE]All of them ask for the return ticket before letting you to board. One time they wanted me to show them the copy of another airline booking out of Phi.

Considering you can always cancel the return trip it is a stupid law.

I do not how experienced people here do it who have stayed in Phi long periods of time extending their visas.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1134908]A 15 day fever, huh? Some of them tend to get that when you leave the airport taking your wallet full of cash with you. Let her sweat it out. You'll be doing more harm than good by sending her money. Most poor Filipinas cannot handle easy free money. It's like heroin. Once you start shooting her up with those cash injections she'll become an addict. It's just too easy for other illnesses and emergencies to pop up. She was fine before you fucked her and she will be fine after. If you compensated her for services rendered then your obligations ended there. Don't get fleeced by Western Union![/QUOTE]I left her at 10000 PHP for his company, and I paid two domestic flights, transportation, lodging, meals, she told me to have them given to her mother, and finished them to buy food and medicine for her I understand that it is a large family. And I did not think that life in the Philippines would cost so much! She has twenty years unemployed, two sisters and a brother, both minors, and a sister who works at 'foreign!

She says she sold the web cam, to buy medicine, but it is always online at the various sites and DIA FH, honestly do not believe her!

Andrewbaez, it seems that a lot of the time its not the girl's fault. The entire cultural "utang" situation, plus the whole family descending on her with their hands out probably ensured that the money you gave her was gone within 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Andrewbaez; 1135174]I left her at 10000 PHP for his company, and I paid two domestic flights, transportation, lodging, meals, she told me to have them given to her mother, and finished them to buy food and medicine for her I understand that it is a large family. And I did not think that life in the Philippines would cost so much! She has twenty years unemployed, two sisters and a brother, both minors, and a sister who works at 'foreign!

She says she sold the web cam, to buy medicine, but it is always online at the various sites and DIA FH, honestly do not believe her! [/QUOTE]If you think with your heart and your dick in the Republic of the Philippines you will be quickly separated from your money. Most of these girls who meet foreigners specialize in separating suckers from their hard earned cash. Making 'kwento' or telling lies to foreigners via the internet in order to extract cash is a national past time. It is a means of turning the tables on you and pimping you long distance. You already know she is lying to you. They will say that they have to sell their web cam or computer as an indirect threat to cut off communication with you. The aim is to get you to volunteer to send money to prevent the supposed sale of the computer or web cam. Cut off all contact with her. Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root. In some countries they are content to fleece the sheep. In the Philippines they not only fleece the sheep they go a step further and fuck the sheep. I'm not saying that you have to be callous but definitely be cold and calculating with these women. I used to be the kind compassionate foreigner until a well off Filipina friend asked me if I was running a charity. I have to thank my Filipina friend because she took my game to a whole new level. Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.

[QUOTE=David_33;1135176]Andrewbaez, it seems that a lot of the time its not the girl's fault. The entire cultural "utang" situation, plus the whole family descending on her with their hands out probably ensured that the money you gave her was gone within 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Many a times it is the poverty that drives them to start conning you. The more you show that you care the more the demand. Problem is if the girl is a good bed partner and will do anything for you it is hard to say goodbye to her. I used to send money before to help girls. But now I tell them I give money only when I see them.

There is not much of a option for the girl to make a living. No job to speak of.

My take on this is if you really like the girl support her. This way you have her to be with whenever you go to Phi. Take it as a donation. Costwise it does work cheaper to be with a non-pro rather than barfining or taking a girl from no barfine bars. Besides you get a fresh pussy rather than one used multiple times.

Although I like to butterfly I like to spend majority of the time with non-pros or girlfriends.

Is it worth the extra money I give them. Ofcourse it is. Amount of money needed to take care of them per month is cheap compared to other expenditures.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1135197]Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root.......... Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.[/QUOTE]Well said.

Today I chatted with a new girl in Cebu City to meet her. She told me that she wants to meet me BUT she has to go home in school vacation because hder parents would not pay the rent for her boarding house anymore.

She would like to meet me but NO MONEY for rent.

DID YOU GET IT?

I GOT IT what she is trying to bring across to me.

I told her frankly that I am NOT her sucker.

This fucking little golddiger b...t..h. 19 yrs old only.

I just deleted her and move on.

Ram

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1135197]If you think with your heart and your dick in the Republic of the Philippines you will be quickly separated from your money. Most of these girls who meet foreigners specialize in separating suckers from their hard earned cash. Making 'kwento' or telling lies to foreigners via the internet in order to extract cash is a national past time. It is a means of turning the tables on you and pimping you long distance. You already know she is lying to you. They will say that they have to sell their web cam or computer as an indirect threat to cut off communication with you. The aim is to get you to volunteer to send money to prevent the supposed sale of the computer or web cam. Cut off all contact with her. Block and delete her messenger I'd and cell number. There is a lot more pussy in them tin shacks out in the province waiting for a good root. In some countries they are content to fleece the sheep. In the Philippines they not only fleece the sheep they go a step further and fuck the sheep. I'm not saying that you have to be callous but definitely be cold and calculating with these women. I used to be the kind compassionate foreigner until a well off Filipina friend asked me if I was running a charity. I have to thank my Filipina friend because she took my game to a whole new level. Now when I bust a nut in a girl's guts I simultaneously ejaculate her name and contact information from my brain. If it were not for photos I'd never remember all of the little scamming gold diggers I've fucked. I don't even bother to ask their names anymore. It would be like asking the meat I cooked last night the name of the cow it came from.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

Thank you for your assistance, however I was happy to visit the Philippines, I used to spend my vacation in Thailand.

I spent 21 days, ten in the company of the girl in the islands and eleven days of singles between Manila and Angeles and I must say that I was fine, and I think I'll be back!

Hotel prices are not so expensive, with 2000 of php are good rooms, I found the food good, the Philippines has more curvaceous bodies of Thai!

I always follow the forum on the Philippines, I read it only because I haven't a good englis. HAnyway if I have questions I will do it to get your advices!

Bye

Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?

I can never understand the way some guys behave. In all my years of travelling and entertaining girls, I have always gotten better results by treating the ladies with respect. Mind you, I make it clear that I am nobodies fool. Most of the time, I get respect for being up front about not being a Gilligan. As for giving a little more when it is appropriate. I can't agree more. In the end, it costs you very little but means so much to a girl that has been generous with her body. I love women, and I think more of the selfish mongers should try to attach a bit of kindness to there approach. 'What goes around, comes around. '

Cc

[QUOTE=Chicochulo; 1135583]Isn't it ironic that some, perhaps many guys think nothing of spending thousands of Euros or pounds or dollars to get here and begrudge poor people a few cents?

I can never understand the way some guys behave. In all my years of travelling and entertaining girls, I have always gotten better results by treating the ladies with respect. Mind you, I make it clear that I am nobodies fool. Most of the time, I get respect for being up front about not being a Gilligan. As for giving a little more when it is appropriate. I can't agree more. In the end, it costs you very little but means so much to a girl that has been generous with her body. I love women, and I think more of the selfish mongers should try to attach a bit of kindness to there approach. 'What goes around, comes around. '[/QUOTE]Treating her with respect won't involve money (equating respect with giving money is like equating love with the giving of money). Treating her with respect can take many forms obviously: just be nice is the easiest way to do that. On the other hand there is money. Yes I spend thousands to travel (my choice). But think about what you are doing by giving her extra money, a tip. Its not something she's used to. If you do it, it makes her think others of your kind should behave the same way.

A cebuana comes to my hotel for a while and leaves with p500. It might be easy (for me) to tip her another 500, but that's not a good idea. Treating her to a Jollibee might be a better idea. Or walking her to the taxi and slipping the driver some pesos to get her home. My giving her double the income she's earned (its small for me, not for her) , would be like tipping a waitress here $30 for bringing me a $30 meal (still think its a good idea?). Or giving my yard guy a $1500 tip at Christmas (that would be nuts. He earns $1500 per year from me). But giving those things creates an expectation. He'll want it again next time. And he'll expect others like me to give it up.

Imaging the same cebuana does the same work for a local guy, where she gets p300. He won't tip her anything, she knows there's no tip, and she will be glad to have the 300. She's getting more from you, and she's real glad to have it. Yet, you are creating for all of us the expectation in her mind that she should get something extra. Just because its easy for me to give her an extra p500 (or 1000) doesn't mean its a good idea. Your idea of giving is from your culture, not hers.

YMMV

Good post Westcoast.

I can't agree with you more. I was referring more to the mistreatment of the girls. The little extras like walking her to the taxi. A simple gift (I carry cheap ones for just that reason) is always a better tip than doubling up on your agreed upon payment.

Cc

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1135111]Last week the Philippine Airlines agent in Bangkok would not check me in for the Manila flight until I showed proof of a ticket out of the Philippines.[/QUOTE]You should not be surprised. It's the same for any country if you enter as a tourist. Without a ticket out, there's a question-Are you a legitimate tourist? If you have a return ticket with the same airline, they don't need to ask you to show anything-they see it on the computer.

I am European and we have public health! Filipinos have to pay for medical care? Even in a public hospital? How much does a medical examination? [/QUOTE]I just want to give you an example of some of the healthcare costs in the Philippines. I saw two doctors (one was an orthopedic surgeon) at a reputable, modern hospital in Manila (Makati Med) and each doctor's examination or consultation cost 700 pesos ($16). The x-ray cost 500 pesos ($11). This is without any health insurance.