Nairobi

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2980485]A similar incident occurred with me on the Copacobana beach in Rio De Janeiro in the early 2000's but that time, I did not get away. I was lucky to have only been assaulted with fists and robbed, without serious damage to anything but my ego. Some of you guys would have kicked their asses, but I am not an experienced fighter.[/QUOTE]Just think about it: Generously parting with your money gave you a chance to make considerably more, LOL. If you made a different decision, who knows!

These debates appear from time to time in different threads. A street fight is never an answer to a robbery. I happen to reliably know of a PRO fighter who got crippled on vacation in Rio in the 2000's. He defeated almost all of his attackers except one kid with a gun.

Even when there are no guns or knives involved, things can turn deadly in a flash.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Aq9cUb8EG2E[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2980582]Just think about it: Generously parting with your money gave you a chance to make considerably more, LOL. If you made a different decision, who knows!

These debates appear from time to time in different threads. A street fight is never an answer to a robbery. I happen to reliably know of a PRO fighter who got crippled on vacation in Rio in the 2000's. He defeated almost all of his attackers except one kid with a gun.

Even when there are no guns or knives involved, things can turn deadly in a flash.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Aq9cUb8EG2E[/URL][/QUOTE]My embarrassment came from being stupid enough to hang out on the beaches of Rio with my wallet in my pocket. If you watch the locals come arrive at the Copacobana beach on a Sunday morning, none of them have more than a few towels, a beach umbrella and a few chairs. If the locals at the beach have money, it is inside their bathing suits. Most of them know better than to wear jewelry, expensive watches or carry a cell phone. In recent years, gangs of kids have swarmed tourists on Ipanema and Copacobana beach and robbed them, although physical violence is rare (I was unlucky to be punched, but there must have been a dozen kids 12-16 years of age and I was hardly in a position to fight back). These gangs were a huge problem for the city prior to the summer Olympics in 2016. Look up the word "arrastao" for more info. I am not Vin Diesel: my plan is to avoid street gangs and if confronted, I hand over my money or I run. I never walk alone in public at night. I use hotel taxis, etc etc etc. None of these potential dangers are nearly enough to stop me from mongering in Rio or Nairobi.

So, do you have a GF hotel in Westlands that you recommend? Or should I go back to the Sarova Stanley?

Hey, my monger friends! I am heading to Nairobi next week for 7 nights staying at a 3. 5 hotel in Westland area. I have been to Nairobi about 3 times in the last 10 years for about one week each for my job so pussy hunting was very limited. This coming trip is strictly for pussy mongering. I opened an account on Kenyan cupid [URL]https://www.kenyancupid.com/en/home/showMenu[/URL] and so far, have gotten lots of messages. I connected well with about 10 nice looking ladies, 22-30 age range (that's my cutoff) and have exchanged WhatsApp message with several of them. I am still adding to the list.

Also I visited a site called massagerepublic, [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-nairobi[/URL] as a backup in case some of the ones from kenyacupid don't really want to fuck. Some of them claim they are looking for relationship which I have no interest in. One 22-year-old was upfront with me and said she is looking for a sugar daddy, I was ok with being her sugar daddy for a week for a decent quid pro quo, but she wanted me to bring her an iphone from US with me for her. No way! I stopped communicating with her. Another early 20's girl wanted me to buy her data even before my trip, I just cut her off, won't waste any more time with her.

Anyway, looking forward to the trip and hope that with an assortment from the kenyacupid, massagerepublic, and other pickings I might find at a club, massage parlour, shopping mall, etc. , I should leave Nairobi after my one week there with at least fucking one new pussy per day.

I hope I won't be too disappointed. Am I too optimistic? Any suggestions / ideas are welcome. Also, if any of you have girl who is nice looking, nice personality and freaky and want to share contact information please feel welcome to DM me. I will do a report after the trip.

I'm not into that at all but after asking 30 Kenyan women that question they aspect to receive $100 on the average from a overseas foreign sugar daddy. Anything above $300 per month is considered good money. Normally most women ask for a small amount of money that ads up to close to $40 per month.

[QUOTE=CudjoeMan;2981944]Hey, my monger friends! I am heading to Nairobi next week for 7 nights staying at a 3. 5 hotel in Westland area. I have been to Nairobi about 3 times in the last 10 years for about one week each for my job so pussy hunting was very limited. This coming trip is strictly for pussy mongering. I opened an account on Kenyan cupid [URL]https://www.kenyancupid.com/en/home/showMenu[/URL] and so far, have gotten lots of messages. I connected well with about 10 nice looking ladies, 22-30 age range (that's my cutoff) and have exchanged WhatsApp message with several of them. I am still adding to the list.

Also I visited a site called massagerepublic, [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-nairobi[/URL] as a backup in case some of the ones from kenyacupid don't really want to fuck. Some of them claim they are looking for relationship which I have no interest in. One 22-year-old was upfront with me and said she is looking for a sugar daddy, I was ok with being her sugar daddy for a week for a decent quid pro quo, but she wanted me to bring her an iphone from US with me for her. No way! I stopped communicating with her. Another early 20's girl wanted me to buy her data even before my trip, I just cut her off, won't waste any more time with her.

Anyway, looking forward to the trip and hope that with an assortment from the kenyacupid, massagerepublic, and other pickings I might find at a club, massage parlour, shopping mall, etc. , I should leave Nairobi after my one week there with at least fucking one new pussy per day.

I hope I won't be too disappointed. Am I too optimistic? Any suggestions / ideas are welcome. Also, if any of you have girl who is nice looking, nice personality and freaky and want to share contact information please feel welcome to DM me. I will do a report after the trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CudjoeMan;2981944]Hey, my monger friends! I am heading to Nairobi next week for 7 nights staying at a 3. 5 hotel in Westland area. I have been to Nairobi about 3 times in the last 10 years for about one week each for my job so pussy hunting was very limited. This coming trip is strictly for pussy mongering. I opened an account on Kenyan cupid [URL]https://www.kenyancupid.com/en/home/showMenu[/URL] and so far, have gotten lots of messages. I connected well with about 10 nice looking ladies, 22-30 age range (that's my cutoff) and have exchanged WhatsApp message with several of them. I am still adding to the list.

Also I visited a site called massagerepublic, [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-nairobi[/URL] as a backup in case some of the ones from kenyacupid don't really want to fuck. Some of them claim they are looking for relationship which I have no interest in. One 22-year-old was upfront with me and said she is looking for a sugar daddy, I was ok with being her sugar daddy for a week for a decent quid pro quo, but she wanted me to bring her an iphone from US with me for her. No way! I stopped communicating with her. Another early 20's girl wanted me to buy her data even before my trip, I just cut her off, won't waste any more time with her.

Anyway, looking forward to the trip and hope that with an assortment from the kenyacupid, massagerepublic, and other pickings I might find at a club, massage parlour, shopping mall, etc. , I should leave Nairobi after my one week there with at least fucking one new pussy per day.

I hope I won't be too disappointed. Am I too optimistic? Any suggestions / ideas are welcome. Also, if any of you have girl who is nice looking, nice personality and freaky and want to share contact information please feel welcome to DM me. I will do a report after the trip.[/QUOTE]Your approach should generate more girls than you can handle. I personally pay a bit too much on purpose. I do not want the good ones to get away, and being white, the girls expect a bit more. I would not bother with the pros from massagerepublic- they are generally way too expensive for what you get. Nairobi is non-pro heaven. As the available pool of girls is HUGE, you should let it be known that you expect sex before you actually arrange a date. If this offends the girl, move on.

Can you share the name of your hotel in Westlands? Is it guest friendly?

By the way, no one can PM you with actual names until you are a senior (or a paid) member.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2982216]I'm not into that at all but after asking 30 Kenyan women that question they aspect to receive $100 on the average from an overseas foreign sugar daddy. Anything above $300 per month is considered good money. Normally most women ask for a small amount of money that ads up to close to $40 per month.[/QUOTE]How did you perform your survey? We know you like to get your girls from the street. If that is the case why would then be asking a girl from Kenya from the streets the of money they expect to get as a sugar baby? Street meat and Girls that qualify for Online marketing on sites like seeking are two very different types of girls. Are you telling us that there is cross over of those two market in Kenya.

I have never been to Kenya. So I defer to your superior knowledge of the lay of the land there. [B]Did you learn the entire sponsorship thing from the years that you lived in Thailand[/B]?

Thanks for the feedback from both of you. I am leaning away from the massagerepublic pros since it seems as if I have more than I can handle from kenyacupid. So far, I actually have about a dozen from the cupid site that have moved on to whatsApp messaging with me. The conversations are generally good. Just a few bad apples, like this one claim today is her birthday and asking for a gift. No response from me. She was on my tier 3 list anyway. I am black coming from the US so the girls see $$ LOL. I booked at Clarence house in the Westlands area. I wanted a place with a kitchen (for the refrigerator, stove, etc.). I did not ask about guests. Never had problems with bringing in girls' at hotels before, but maybe because in all my international rendezvous in hotels, the bookings were done by my job's travel office. Also, for me personally I usually prefer the girl leave after the deed (s) was done. One deed per girl, per day for the seven nights will be enough for me. I am early sixties, just retired, thus I begin my self-paid international mongering career, LOL.

Solid advice about raising the expectation of sex before wasting time on a date. One of my tier 1 girls did ask me if I am coming to Nairobi for hookups. Not sure if I handled it very well with her but will make sure it is discussed again before we meet.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2982253]Your approach should generate more girls than you can handle. I personally pay a bit too much on purpose. I do not want the good ones to get away, and being white, the girls expect a bit more. I would not bother with the pros from massagerepublic- they are generally way too expensive for what you get. Nairobi is non-pro heaven. As the available pool of girls is HUGE, you should let it be known that you expect sex before you actually arrange a date. If this offends the girl, move on.

Can you share the name of your hotel in Westlands? Is it guest friendly?

By the way, no one can PM you with actual names until you are a senior (or a paid) member.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CudjoeMan;2982376]Thanks for the feedback from both of you. I am leaning away from the massagerepublic pros since it seems as if I have more than I can handle from kenyacupid. So far, I actually have about a dozen from the cupid site that have moved on to whatsApp messaging with me. The conversations are generally good. Just a few bad apples, like this one claim today is her birthday and asking for a gift. No response from me. She was on my tier 3 list anyway. I am black coming from the US so the girls see $$ LOL. I booked at Clarence house in the Westlands area. I wanted a place with a kitchen (for the refrigerator, stove, etc.). I did not ask about guests. Never had problems with bringing in girls' at hotels before, but maybe because in all my international rendezvous in hotels, the bookings were done by my job's travel office. Also, for me personally I usually prefer the girl leave after the deed (s) was done. One deed per girl, per day for the seven nights will be enough for me. I am early sixties, just retired, thus I begin my self-paid international mongering career, LOL.

Solid advice about raising the expectation of sex before wasting time on a date. One of my tier 1 girls did ask me if I am coming to Nairobi for hookups. Not sure if I handled it very well with her but will make sure it is discussed again before we meet.[/QUOTE]"the bookings were done by my job's travel office. ". Many years ago, my jobs travel office also did booking, they give me list of the hotels to choose. I called each of them, only one of them accepted guests, even that one did not accept girls for night. I took that one anyway. I hope you have better luck. You could call them and as about guest policy, just in case. It is difficult to change hotel when you have already settled in, I assume.

If you are working, they want you to have peaceful hotel. So no guests allowed. Could be like that.

[QUOTE=CudjoeMan;2981944]Hey, my monger friends! I am heading to Nairobi next week for 7 nights staying at a 3. 5 hotel in Westland area. I have been to Nairobi about 3 times in the last 10 years for about one week each for my job so pussy hunting was very limited. This coming trip is strictly for pussy mongering. I opened an account on Kenyan cupid [URL]https://www.kenyancupid.com/en/home/showMenu[/URL] and so far, have gotten lots of messages. I connected well with about 10 nice looking ladies, 22-30 age range (that's my cutoff) and have exchanged WhatsApp message with several of them. I am still adding to the list.

Also I visited a site called massagerepublic, [URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-nairobi[/URL] as a backup in case some of the ones from kenyacupid don't really want to fuck. Some of them claim they are looking for relationship which I have no interest in. One 22-year-old was upfront with me and said she is looking for a sugar daddy, I was ok with being her sugar daddy for a week for a decent quid pro quo, but she wanted me to bring her an iphone from US with me for her. No way! I stopped communicating with her. Another early 20's girl wanted me to buy her data even before my trip, I just cut her off, won't waste any more time with her.

Anyway, looking forward to the trip and hope that with an assortment from the kenyacupid, massagerepublic, and other pickings I might find at a club, massage parlour, shopping mall, etc. , I should leave Nairobi after my one week there with at least fucking one new pussy per day.

I hope I won't be too disappointed. Am I too optimistic? Any suggestions / ideas are welcome. Also, if any of you have girl who is nice looking, nice personality and freaky and want to share contact information please feel welcome to DM me. I will do a report after the trip.[/QUOTE]I fly into Nairobi next week too. I did about a week of prelim chats using the Badoo app. Mixed results. Many looking for a relationship with a foreigner, but settled on 5 to meet up with. Hoping to meet some offline while I'm there. Have not reserved a place, but I think reading the forums, leads me to do an Airbnb. Will only reserve the first 3 days in case there is an issue with visitors. Don't want that to ruin the entire trip as I'm staying for 2 weeks. Likely staying in the Westlands too.

OK, this will probably sound strange. I used to know Nairobi and Westlands very well, but I have been away for a few years and came back to find it changed and strangely difficult to do an old fashioned pickup in a middle-of-the-road bar. Like Gypsies used to be. I see loads of apparently up market but somehow sleazy 'rooftop restaurants/lounges'. I don't want to go to really dodgy places, I don't want a place full of kids where I standout as the old perv (I am 60 plus). I want to be able to sit and chill with a beer or a snack and look out for cute amateurs and semi-pros. Any suggestions where to go? I tried Sankara rooftop last night, it was like a morgue.

Of course on line is always an option, but I prefer a casual, real world encounter.

[QUOTE=KcMe;2982847]OK, I tried Sankara rooftop last night, it was like a morgue. Of course on line is always an option, but I prefer a casual, real world encounter.[/QUOTE]I left Nai just before Covid locked down the world. Work, and my new complete infatuation with Colombia have kept me from 17 HR trips all the way to Kenya, PI and Thailand. I asked the same questions you just asked, and I'm dying to get back and see WTF happened to Kenya. Pussy will always need money, but I noticed the cold approach never worked in Nai versus MBA. When people are trying to get from place A to Z they don't want to fuck around and have you keep them from that job they absolutely lucky to have. I prefer online, and my Tinder is blowing up as it always has just before my boots hit the ground.

I'm pretty sure pay for play still exists on dating well fellows I must say these women are 3 steps ahead of us in this country. Please read this post I wrote.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2682-Nairobi&p=2976236[/URL]#post2976236.

[QUOTE=TheBootyman;2982737]I fly into Nairobi next week too. I did about a week of prelim chats using the Badoo app. Mixed results. Many looking for a relationship with a foreigner, but settled on 5 to meet up with. Hoping to meet some offline while I'm there. Have not reserved a place, but I think reading the forums, leads me to do an Airbnb. Will only reserve the first 3 days in case there is an issue with visitors. Don't want that to ruin the entire trip as I'm staying for 2 weeks. Likely staying in the Westlands too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2982995]I'm pretty sure pay for play still exists on dating well fellows I must say these women are 3 steps ahead of us in this country. Please read this post I wrote.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2682-Nairobi&p=2976236[/URL]#post2976236.[/QUOTE]As with anything, you have to weed through the bad ones and use your head. I have been asked for money and immediately cut it off. Some have not asked for a dime, and I have sent a small random MPesa gift but nothing reoccurring or expected.

I've been texting / videoing periodically with these women for a month and planned out multiple days with each. I also laid down the ground rules from the start: we discuss money once, and the agreed upon amount is paid 1/2 on the first day and balance on the last. All the time prior to that with messaging and video calls I consider part of their job in marketing. I do not pay for that. The ones that actually abide by and understand the rules of engagement are the ones I will see. There are too many out there who are ready and willing to waste time with the scammers.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2982216]I'm not into that at all but after asking 30 Kenyan women that question they aspect to receive $100 on the average from a overseas foreign sugar daddy. Anything above $300 per month is considered good money. Normally most women ask for a small amount of money that ads up to close to $40 per month.[/QUOTE]Can you go into more detail on what this $100 and $300 a month means exactly?

Is this for a one time payment for a single encounter?

Is this what you pay when you are in the country?

What should you offer girls who you meet online for a single encounter?

Sorry my English is not the best but listen I meant to imply $300 per month is close to a good living wage in Nairobi. So most women will expect to receive $100 per month from a sugar daddy. From my experience they ask for increments of small amounts of money that adds up to $40 roughly. As far as sex goes here's the thing you have three different price systems in that country. You know paying for sex in Africa is completely different from any part of the world so here's the thing your nationality, race and ethnicity determines how much you pay in Kenya. Black foreigners can expect to get average rate of ksh 1000 from a descent looking Kenyan and they'll expect to pay ksh 3000 for a well kept high maintenance looking woman in CBD. Mombasa Road prices for black foreigners starts off at ksh 3000 and it goes up from there. Mzungu rates can be higher especially in Westlands and Mombasa Road aspect the woman to want at least ksh 5000. However, no price is guaranteed because I reported extensively in the past that women will ask for more money after sex. They even do that to Kenyan men, the Tanzanian women are bold enough to try to dig in your pockets to grab a few thousand more shillings. This is just from my perspective and me getting price quotes from other people. And if you're looking for cheap sex in a night club stick with Sabrina Joy warning most men been reporting the quality is going downhill there!

[QUOTE=Edward5;2983206]Can you go into more detail on what this $100 and $300 a month means exactly?

Is this for a one time payment for a single encounter? Not really I was basing it off installments which is better insurance in determining the woman character

Is this what you pay when you are in the country? No $300 is way too much for sex in Kenya and so is $100! From my point of view $50 is the price for screwing a hot stripper or porn star!

What should you offer girls who you meet online for a single encounter? That’s a good question escort agency? Dating apps? You tell me! If you really want her to show up for a out call service* which means she try ksh 4000 but she must stay with you all day. Escort agencies is kinda like a rich people thing in that country because you might have to pay the agency directly and they get a cut of her payment. [/QUOTE]