What is the main alternative to using an ATM in Kiev? Setting up a UAH or $ local bank account and withdrawing money directly from the cashier inside the bank?
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What is the main alternative to using an ATM in Kiev? Setting up a UAH or $ local bank account and withdrawing money directly from the cashier inside the bank?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Nope not "high end" at all. Setup by the woman I visited. Near her place, Old School brick building, 2nd to last stop on "Green" line in the "Suburbs" of Kiev. (about 20 mins by Subway back to "Downtown")
[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying that DJ. $40 per night sounds like a great deal, and you get to meet the 'real' Kievans out in the 'burbs. 20 mins is a very short commute by the standards of a large Western city.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Yes, guys, now you are realizing what I meant with "respect" in last months. In spite of weak Ukrainian economy, women are keeping very greedy, at least in Kiev. And services are very bad in comparison of 8 years ago.
Therefore it could be a good idea to explore other towns with easygoing women. Men, who like Ukrainian-Polish type, could go to Lvov and men, who like Russian-Ukrainian type, could go to Kharkov.
And more men keep prices down, and more women have respect of us.[/QUOTE] I hope harkiv is ok because lvov is< very very bad place for mongering there is not a shoping center to go and pick some devuski, very unclassy also.
I thing somebody writes also the same things.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Yes, guys, now you are realizing what I meant with "respect" in last months. In spite of weak Ukrainian economy, women are keeping very greedy, at least in Kiev. And services are very bad in comparison of 8 years ago.
Therefore it could be a good idea to explore other towns with easygoing women. Men, who like Ukrainian-Polish type, could go to Lvov and men, who like Russian-Ukrainian type, could go to Kharkov.
And more men keep prices down, and more women have respect of us.[/QUOTE]
90% (or more?) of the time with P4P it's a simple business transaction. Why should they 'respect' you and why is this so important to you? After all you are just (yet) another trick for a few $ Why should she be grateful or give a shit about you? The girls usually (of course) want you to pay top dollar (for minimum effort) and you want it for free, which usually means meeting in the middle or somewhere depending on the circumstances at that exact moment. Many (most?) after a while just want 'out' and are hanging on to the fantasy that they will eventually meet a good guy or 'need' another Gucci Handbag, which keeps them going? (Or the 'pimp' boyfriend) If I had tits and I nice ass in those circumstances, I would probably do the same. It's just a game. I do not consider this 'greedy' but par for the course. There are of course exceptions. Get a life mate, a few $ either way is hardly important and rather spoils the moment! From experience you can usually spot who will be value for money? I've had plenty of freebies after treating them like a normal girl. With all this respect crap you tend to get a predictable and the deserved response! What do they say...treat a tramp like a lady?
Fox7717, nice matters.
In few words, respect is the difference between human being and monster.
Money is necessary for life, but I am sure, life should be more important than money: this is respect, the respect for life!
When most people think "that's just an economic transaction", no wonder about human being trafficking and worse stories.
Most of us are gentlemen with women, and we expect women are miladies with us, every kinds of women they are. Otherwise, when women consider men just as a Gucci handbag, no wonder if men are violent with women.
Moreover, everybody pays money to get the contracted goods or services, otherwise that is a scam. Somebody calls that "honesty" . . . does it still exist?
About the difference between a "normal woman" and a "P4P woman", that is another hard matter. In my humble opinion, all women want CCC CockCashChildren (algebraic sum), with the difference that "normal women" usually want (or can get) less CCC than "P4P women". At the end, "it's a simple business transaction" also with a "normal woman".
[QUOTE=Fox7717]90% (or more?) of the time with P4P it's a simple business transaction. Why should they 'respect' you and why is this so important to you? After all you are just (yet) another trick for a few $ Why should she be grateful or give a shit about you? The girls usually (of course) want you to pay top dollar (for minimum effort) and you want it for free, which usually means meeting in the middle or somewhere depending on the circumstances at that exact moment. Many (most?) after a while just want 'out' and are hanging on to the fantasy that they will eventually meet a good guy or 'need' another Gucci Handbag, which keeps them going? (Or the 'pimp' boyfriend) If I had tits and I nice ass in those circumstances, I would probably do the same. It's just a game. I do not consider this 'greedy' but par for the course. There are of course exceptions. Get a life mate, a few $ either way is hardly important and rather spoils the moment! From experience you can usually spot who will be value for money? I've had plenty of freebies after treating them like a normal girl. With all this respect crap you tend to get a predictable and the deserved response! What do they say...treat a tramp like a lady?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fox7717]90% (or more?) of the time with P4P it's a simple business transaction. Why should they 'respect' you and why is this so important to you? After all you are just (yet) another trick for a few $ Why should she be grateful or give a shit about you? The girls usually (of course) want you to pay top dollar (for minimum effort) and you want it for free, which usually means meeting in the middle or somewhere depending on the circumstances at that exact moment. Many (most?) after a while just want 'out' and are hanging on to the fantasy that they will eventually meet a good guy or 'need' another Gucci Handbag, which keeps them going? (Or the 'pimp' boyfriend) If I had tits and I nice ass in those circumstances, I would probably do the same. It's just a game. I do not consider this 'greedy' but par for the course. There are of course exceptions. Get a life mate, a few $ either way is hardly important and rather spoils the moment! From experience you can usually spot who will be value for money? I've had plenty of freebies after treating them like a normal girl. With all this respect crap you tend to get a predictable and the deserved response! What do they say...treat a tramp like a lady?[/QUOTE]
Fox well said.
I think he lives on another planet, or has a Napolean complex, as he pays for sex?
What I do know his attitude stinks, and has to show through when he is meeting a girl.
In Ukraine, in the 10 years or so I have been coming here, and the last near 2 years I have lived here full time, most of the working girls are on the game to get out a financial hole, the clever ones find work abroad, the ones who can't work closer to home.
Most don't want to do it...to keep food on the table and pay the bills, no more no less.
So when they do meet someone treating them less like a piece of meat and more like a person, they do become far less professional, and open up far more, I have numbers of about 2 working girls in Donetsk and 3 in Kiev, who I can call they would meet up spend time, have sex etc etc, for just the taxi fare and some money for next weeks dinners, and they are 7+ girls looks wise and 7+ also sex wise.......
How do you find gems? by treating all of them like people, not like pieces of meat.
Until he gets into his head that most Ukrainian girls don't work because they want to but actually need to, he will get more out of them here........
But I really doubt he could ever change, he just comes on here demanding respect! what a Man ;)
The other night I was out with 2 other Americans and 3 young ladies. We were in center early around 6:30 pm and then went to metro Livobreshniv area to a 'dive' casino I know (I like it because I win! )
Around midnight WE decide to go to a new club Heaven. By the time I cashed out the other 5 were out the door. When I follow I find them engaged by 3 cops.
Being a 'durak' I have to get my 2 cents in. And with no documents I was in trouble.
The bigger of the 3 began to grab me and try to take me away. I said NO, resisted and then he became more aggressive and the shorter one stepped in too. By this time the 'paddy wagon' had arrived. I was toast!
Or was I? My buddy began running around with his I-phone saying I am recording this, I have video, police abuse.
These guys STOPPED immediately and said GO. It was so funny!
We hopped into 2 cabs and was off.
So just a little trick to remember, VIDEO!
Ps. Sure am glad Ukraine does not seem to have or enforce a "Public Intox" law.
The only time I have ever been stopped by police is in this area?
L (lucky) S Guy
I got very in-deep in the Ukrainian female brain! Your words are just lies for yourself for keeping your heart in peace.
Unfortunately, the reality is another very different. Most of P4P women do prostitution because they want a good time and an easy life.
I knew filthing matters with those women. I heard a lot of times this truth from them: they could change life "in better" with no prostitution but they don't want because it is easier not to sweat a regular work and to earn a lot of money and to cheat people for everything and to have a lot of spare time and to have sex with their pimps and to be drug addicted etc.
Just illusions and the big trouble remains because a lot of men believe everything when they have fucked.
I have found a solution: teach women what is respect for themselves and for us. Niet! It is easier to do prostitution, it is easier to cheat people about the "poor little girl"!
That's ridicolous!
[QUOTE=Qjump]Fox well said.
I think he lives on another planet, or has a Napolean complex, as he pays for sex?
What I do know his attitude stinks, and has to show through when he is meeting a girl.
In Ukraine, in the 10 years or so I have been coming here, and the last near 2 years I have lived here full time, most of the working girls are on the game to get out a financial hole, the clever ones find work abroad, the ones who can't work closer to home.
Most don't want to do it...to keep food on the table and pay the bills, no more no less.
So when they do meet someone treating them less like a piece of meat and more like a person, they do become far less professional, and open up far more, I have numbers of about 2 working girls in Donetsk and 3 in Kiev, who I can call they would meet up spend time, have sex etc etc, for just the taxi fare and some money for next weeks dinners, and they are 7+ girls looks wise and 7+ also sex wise.......
How do you find gems? by treating all of them like people, not like pieces of meat.
Until he gets into his head that most Ukrainian girls don't work because they want to but actually need to, he will get more out of them here........
But I really doubt he could ever change, he just comes on here demanding respect! what a Man ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Qjump]In Ukraine, in the 10 years or so I have been coming here, and the last near 2 years I have lived here full time, most of the working girls are on the game to get out a financial hole, the clever ones find work abroad, the ones who can't work closer to home.
Most don't want to do it. To keep food on the table and pay the bills, no more no less. So when they do meet someone treating them less like a piece of meat and more like a person, they do become far less professional, and open up far more, I have numbers of about 2 working girls in Donetsk and 3 in Kiev, who I can call they would meet up spend time, have sex etc etc, for just the taxi fare and some money for next weeks dinners, and they are 7+ girls looks wise and 7+ also sex wise. How do you find gems? By treating all of them like people, not like pieces of meat.[/QUOTE]I applaude this writing, it is exactly my own experiences, I have made friends and lovers with many working girls and semipros in that way! Treat them nicely, as humans, with respect, like a beloved girlfriend. And you get sooooo much back.
But not all of them "make them available" emotionally for this. Or it is harder to get them there. And this also means that you must be able to communicate. That the language is not too big problem. On the other side, it is surprising how litte language is necessary sometimes.
To come and demand respect because you are a man who buy a piece of meat doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]What is the main alternative to using an ATM in Kiev? Setting up a UAH or $ local bank account and withdrawing money directly from the cashier inside the bank?[/QUOTE]
The main alternative to using an ATM in Ukraine is to bring enough cash with you!
Other than that a local bank account is dicey considering the extremely shaky state of local Ukrainian banks. It is a big risk since you would want to keep enough money in there for hobbying but balanced off with the idea that you could lose it all. Deposit insurance here is a joke.
The other thing is have you seen what queues there are at local banks to pay bills and make deposits? How much time out of your life do you want to spend being a dead sheep waiting for your turn with the teller? That is also not to mention the paperwork that needs to be done to get your money. You will also get a local ATM card if you open an account but that defeats the purpose of this exercise.
This is not a western banking system or customer service by any means.
No matter what concerns you have about your ATM card, it is still the best alternative if you take normal precautions and not be paranoid.
Besides, no matter what headaches there are with your bank in recovering any stolen monies, your chances of recovering them are still better than opening a local account.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I got very in-deep in the Ukrainian female brain! Your words are just lies for yourself for keeping your heart in peace.
Unfortunately, the reality is another very different. Most of P4P women do prostitution because they want a good time and an easy life.
I knew filthing matters with those women. I heard a lot of times this truth from them: they could change life "in better" with no prostitution but they don't want because it is easier not to sweat a regular work and to earn a lot of money and to cheat people for everything and to have a lot of spare time and to have sex with their pimps and to be drug addicted etc.
Just illusions and the big trouble remains because a lot of men believe everything when they have fucked.
I have found a solution: teach women what is respect for themselves and for us. Niet! It is easier to do prostitution, it is easier to cheat people about the "poor little girl"!
That's ridicolous![/QUOTE]
The only thing 'deep' here is being up your own arse?
Why do you continually feel the need to tell everyone what to do?
Each to their own I say! Sounds like you get what you deserve?
If Kiev is so bad, why not stay at home and have a free wank?!
Qjump. LS, explorer69 and Uke boy seem to agree with me.
In my experience, not treating them like slabs of meat has always paid off.
All this matter have been already written in previous posts by other users.
I see in your flaming comments just acting in bad faith (because of your business) or believing "poor little girl" story (after a fuck session).
And only for men, who consider women just meat holes, are happy with all women. Most of mongers, boyfriends, husbands are happy with their women just because they just fuck them!
And although a lot of men and I are gentlemen, we meet a lot of unstable and greedy women.
And therefore it is very stupid to waste money to satisfy them because they want more and more and they are unloyal, although men could be the most thoughtful lovers in the world.
Don't you remember what it has happened in Western countries? Maybe you have never seen threads (not mine) blaming about Western women? Maybe do you want Ukraine becomes like Western countries?
I am sure, you have never met a woman who talked what she actually thinks and your belief is just from your happy cock.
[QUOTE=Fox7717]The only thing 'deep' here is being up your own arse?
Why do you continually feel the need to tell everyone what to do?
Each to their own I say! Sounds like you get what you deserve?
If Kiev is so bad, why not stay at home and have a free wank?!
Qjump. LS, explorer69 and Uke boy seem to agree with me.
In my experience, not treating them like slabs of meat has always paid off.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Uke Boy] .. This is not a western banking system or customer service by any means .. [/QUOTE]
Truer words have never been said. Thanks for the advice Uke; since using ATMs minimises your interaction with Ukrainians 'just doing their job' it must be the best bet :)
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]All this matter have been already written in previous posts by other users.
I see in your flaming comments just acting in bad faith (because of your business) or believing "poor little girl" story (after a fuck session).
And only for men, who consider women just meat holes, are happy with all women. Most of mongers, boyfriends, husbands are happy with their women just because they just fuck them!
And although a lot of men and I are gentlemen, we meet a lot of unstable and greedy women.
And therefore it is very stupid to waste money to satisfy them because they want more and more and they are unloyal, although men could be the most thoughtful lovers in the world.
Don't you remember what it has happened in Western countries? Maybe you have never seen threads (not mine) blaming about Western women? Maybe do you want Ukraine becomes like Western countries?
I am sure, you have never met a woman who talked what she actually thinks and your belief is just from your happy cock.[/QUOTE]
I cannot be bothered to reply, suffice to say it's called common sense mixed with experience. Most of us can spot the girls who are just out to rip us off!
[QUOTE=George Red]
I hope harkiv is ok
because lvov is very very bad place for mongering
there is not a shoping center to go and pick some devuski, very unclassy also.
[/QUOTE]
If that's your whole plan, you better come up with something else. Especially during the winter! As far as shopping centers like the ones in Kiev, forget about it!
About a mile from the center on one road, there is a new department store where you can buy electronics. On another road from the center, there is a new big trendy clothing store. But you can't consider those in any way shopping centers like in Kiev.
There is one very large old style bazaar, of a hundred tiny kiosks selling belts, or shoes, or coats, all crammed together between tiny walk ways that you have to squeeze through.
There are small restaurants and small shops on Sumskaya and Pushkinskaya, where mostly pedestrians walk through the center on their way through their busy days.
The p4p scene there is only for locals, and you can visit the 4 "cat houses" that have their telephone number in the newspaper, but you must speak perfect russian, and the girls are mostly 23 to 27, mothers, ugly, fat, etc. You will probably find 1 cute one this way, but chances are likely that her attitude will NOT be any good.
If you're young, handsome, and your game is very sharp, and your russian is good, then your chances there are as good as anywhere else for freebies from cafes and parks, but don't expect girls to be outdoors in these places, until it warms up in the spring. And even then, you need to expect to invest a LOT of time. Offering $200 or more helps too. Was that part of your plan also?