Phnom Penh

Maybe I am just too old and ugly. Although, all the ladies do call me "pros at".

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1384626]That's one complaint I don't have. I've been through about 30 girls in Cambodia now. Every single one has done BBBJ without complaint or me even asking. Only 4 were Viet. The rest were Cambodian. This includes one girl at a "legitimate" massage place who went down on me when I flipped and was hard as a rock. She didn't even ask! Just put it in her mouth. Plus two non-pros. Also had a girl from Cyrcee demand that she give me BBBJCIM after I already had a session with her and two other girls I took out of there. I insisted I couldn't cum again and she said she'd prove I could. Actually couldn't believe that one from a Cyrcee girl who I expected to be very hardened (and indeed some of the girls I've taken out of there have been).

I also disagree that it's tough or even impossible to get non-pros in Cambodia. I was only there for 3 weeks on work. Took two totally regular girls to bed. One was a school teacher I met on Facebook who ended up giving me a BBBJ followed by hand relief while we tongue kissed (she wasn't "ready" for me to put it in) on our second date. The other was a bank teller who I had to deal with regularly with some work stuff. Took her to see the nice furnished apartment I was given by work on the third date and she literally begged me to sleep over. Kissing led to touching which led to bareback sex.

Most of the BJs were mediocre and one was even terrible, but no refusals whatsoever. Some were actually very good. Two girls actually did deep throat! Who the hell taught them that? Most of the girls came out of hostess bars on 104, but Cyrcee, Nay Nay and Martinis were also regular haunts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1384626]That's one complaint I don't have. I've been through about 30 girls in Cambodia now. Every single one has done BBBJ without complaint or me even asking. Only 4 were Viet. The rest were Cambodian. This includes one girl at a "legitimate" massage place who went down on me when I flipped and was hard as a rock. She didn't even ask! Just put it in her mouth. Plus two non-pros. Also had a girl from Cyrcee demand that she give me BBBJCIM after I already had a session with her and two other girls I took out of there. I insisted I couldn't cum again and she said she'd prove I could. Actually couldn't believe that one from a Cyrcee girl who I expected to be very hardened (and indeed some of the girls I've taken out of there have been).

I also disagree that it's tough or even impossible to get non-pros in Cambodia. I was only there for 3 weeks on work. Took two totally regular girls to bed. One was a school teacher I met on Facebook who ended up giving me a BBBJ followed by hand relief while we tongue kissed (she wasn't "ready" for me to put it in) on our second date. The other was a bank teller who I had to deal with regularly with some work stuff. Took her to see the nice furnished apartment I was given by work on the third date and she literally begged me to sleep over. Kissing led to touching which led to bareback sex.

Most of the BJs were mediocre and one was even terrible, but no refusals whatsoever. Some were actually very good. Two girls actually did deep throat! Who the hell taught them that? Most of the girls came out of hostess bars on 104, but Cyrcee, Nay Nay and Martinis were also regular haunts.[/QUOTE]As of late I have found that more Thai girls are saying no to BBBJ, or at least the young hot ones. The old pros are still COF even they don't care for CIM, but I have 3 K'mai GFs and 2 VNs and they are all CIM no problem.

I hate the girls that stop and clean off the pre-cum. It's like I'm just about there and she stops, fcking irritates the hell out of me. Suck my dick and don't stop for a second. Usually this is why I can't CIM or I take over and COF. Then I can't help, but laughing; don't know why, but blowing my load all over a girls face just tickles my funny bone, especially if I get her in the eye. Sorry, I'm laughing now, I never get tired of it. LOL.

Cheers,

PS The girl from the bank wasn't ANZ was it?

I've kinda thought rickrock was BS since I joined this board but him saying that every one of the 30 girls have given him BJ's like they do them all the time is completely different then my experiences and everyone else I've heard abouts as well.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1385360]I've kinda thought rickrock was BS since I joined this board but him saying that every one of the 30 girls have given him BJ's like they do them all the time is completely different then my experiences and everyone else I've heard abouts as well.[/QUOTE]Yes, Dante 30 girls? Then I read it again that he never even asked them if they BBBJ. Could just have been lucky, but I always ask and don't think I have ever got 30 for 30 in Cambodia or Thailand, but the girls at Cyrcee are BJ experts. They don't suck dick they don't work there or that use to be the case.

You never know, I've had some crazy shit happen to me that I would have never believed before if some one told me the same thing.

Happy Mongering it's the year of the snake. Mongers get your snakes out.

I just arrived in Phnom Penh. What are the actual ASKED (from the girls) and PAYED (from customer) prices? Can someone give examples?

I spoke with some girls at the street and in Walkabout club today, and ALL asked 30 Dollar (!) for short time, which is very much in my opinion. For this money I can have good sex with a real clean and beautiful girl in a german bordell in the north-west (Dortmund-Duisburg area).

I did not start to negotiate prices, because I would not like to be a too "cheap charly" but I also not want to overpay.

So. Please if anyone payed for a girl in the last month give a example, like:

From this club, barfine was X Dollar, drinks was Y Dollar, and short time with blow job etc was Z Dollar).

Thanks

[QUOTE=AlBundy6600; 1385547]I just arrived in Phnom Penh. What are the actual ASKED (from the girls) and PAYED (from customer) prices? Can someone give examples?

I spoke with some girls at the street and in Walkabout club today, and ALL asked 30 Dollar (!) for short time, which is very much in my opinion. For this money I can have good sex with a real clean and beautiful girl in a german bordell in the north-west (Dortmund-Duisburg area).

I did not start to negotiate prices, because I would not like to be a too "cheap charly" but I also not want to overpay.

So. Please if anyone payed for a girl in the last month give a example, like:

From this club, barfine was X Dollar, drinks was Y Dollar, and short time with blow job etc was Z Dollar).

Thanks[/QUOTE]Sigh. Why don't you try reading the last few pages of this forum to check on prices?

And of course the girls know you have just arrived in Phnom Penh. That's why they are quoting high prices, to see if you will pay that amount. You must haggle. It's not being a 'cheap charlie' it's being a realist.

Barfines run $7-10. Some bars lower it to $5 after midnight.

Hostess bar girls. ST rates are $20-40, LT $25-50. Depends on your negotiating skills and knowledge of Khmer language.

Freelance girls at Walkabout and the nearby Sorya Golden Mall are $15-20 ST, and $25-35 LT.

Make sure you tell the girl what you want (blow jobs etc) , before you take them.

Some girls, especially if they know or like you, will say 'up to you' when asked how much. Just give them the amounts above. Or more if you feel they were really good.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1385360]I've kinda thought rickrock was BS since I joined this board but him saying that every one of the 30 girls have given him BJ's like they do them all the time is completely different then my experiences and everyone else I've heard abouts as well.[/QUOTE]A legend in how own mind. I think half the shit he posts is exactly that. I was in PP with quite a few guys and none of us found what he found. But maybe he looks like Brad Pitt which makes you wonder why he needs to pay anyway. I think anyone trying to duplicate his experience will be sadly disappointed because his experience only exists in his mind. '

Thank you for the information. I was reading many pages back, but often guys write something like "I payed her not too much". And a information like you have done was really missing.

I just took a girl from Walkabout, she asked 30 Dollar, but than agreed to 20 Dollar for Short time. But in the room she was really not good; she could not remember that she agreed to do a uncovered BJ etc etc, and her technical knowledge was very poor also. After we finished (around 30 minutes) she asked for a tip.

I don't tell any girl that I am first time in Cambodia. Thats the reason why I also not discussed with them about the prices.

Ha ha. After complaining about how much I dislike Phnom Penh for the last six months you think I would suddenly start promoting it as a blowjob hot spot for what? Invisible internet credentials? Especially after I talked about how I went without much action at all during my first visit.

All I can tell you is what happened, you're free to disregard it.

I didn't say the blowjobs were great or even enthusiastic. But they all did it. Some were actually surprisingly good but even those were not up to western non-pro standards (talking about sexually active babes from cities, not middle-aged housewife nags in Idaho) with the exception of a few, including the deep-throaters mentioned.

When I say I didn't ask, I mean I didn't say "okay you suck me now" while we were in bed. It always happened as a part of the proceedings.

When sent back to PP for work for a few weeks early this year it was standard practice. None of the Cyrcee girls had to be asked. Viet twosome from Martinis didn't have to be asked. Viet single from Martinis didn't have to be asked. With the bar girls I made a joke out of asking them if they smoked long before I took any of them out. If they were playful about it, it was a go. I also mainly went with the women who could speak decent English, which means they have been around the scene for a while and know what Barangs expect. Also tended to go with ones who were obviously into me over some beauties who gave me a starfish vibe. May also help that I ate every single one of the girls out except the Viet freelancers from Martini who looked a bit iffy and one bar girl who didn't want to let me.

Also never refused a barfine. Don't know if I lucked out or what. At least one bartender told me she never goes out but wanted to try it with me since I "had a good heart." Turns out that was the worst one because her beautiful face gave way to a terrible after-birth belly. I'm sure there are girls that won't go out ever, but luckily I didn't try for any of them this time. I did get turned down for a few LT in favor of ST, but that was no big deal. Most of them offered LT the following day, but only took up that offer once.

In the bars I paid 25-30 ST and 40-50 LT, pretty standard once I started to make regular appearances in bars on 104, 110 and 136. In Martinis I paid 20 ST. At Cyrcee I paid 20 ST or 15 ST when I took 3 or more girls at once. Usually ended tipping 5 each to the Cyrcee girls for above average performance. They can really do it, better than a lot of mechanical oily girls in Thailand in my opinion. After about a week, I stopped asking prices and just gave these set amounts after the deed was done.

I'm fit, tall, no grey hair, no beer belly, very hygienic. I'm very sure that has something to do with it. Yes I get laid for free regularly (including by my wife who is bi and swings with me) , though sometimes I don't want to deal with the drama and hassle, especially when on the road. That's why I love pay for play.

In my opinion the hostess bars in Cambodia are only really good for lonely guys who can't get regular dates. It's a place for girls to hang on you and compliment you and take care of you as long as you keep buying drinks. Seems a lot of women are happy to stay with you for a few months for a couple hundred dollars. Had that offer made to me several times when I repeated with the same girls. But just for a bang they aren't really worth it. Too much work and ultimately expense (drink, lady drinks, $10 bar fine, plus ST or LT fee). Better to take a freelancer or go to a place like Cyrcee unless you're looking for a GFE and can't get it elsewhere.

I have been with hundreds of Thai women pros and non and have never not received oral outside of a few encounters. Maybe you guys with dry spells have bad luck or more likely need to up the romance and your appearance and / or approach a bit. If you just lay there and expect them to service you like a mechanic does an automobile then it's no wonder (but you should still be getting oral most of the times, it's standard with working girls). I really don't know, and I think that's shit if they don't. I've had more Thai girls not want me to go down on them than those who don't want to go down on me. I have had two or three younger cuter ones ask me to use a rubber for the BJ in the last two years.

As always, your mileage may vary.

[quote]I hate the girls that stop and clean off the pre-cum.[/quote]Yea I hate that. A lot of girls did do that, even some from Cyrcee. A real mood killer if you let it. I just tried to ignore it or move on to something else when it became a distraction.

[quote]PS The girl from the bank wasn't ANZ was it?[/quote]No, not there. Another bank that I had to work with. Has a western name but is totally Cambodian (in ownership and practice). The woman spoke damn good English and knew quite a bit about Western cuisine. She took me to some great French restaurants and dessert shops in PP (a pleasant surprise) and was even able to discuss international politics. My guess is that she had a cultured Western boyfriend at some point, though I never came out and asked her.

[QUOTE=AlBundy6600; 1385646]Thank you for the information. I was reading many pages back, but often guys write something like "I payed her not too much". And a information like you have done was really missing.

I just took a girl from Walkabout, she asked 30 Dollar, but than agreed to 20 Dollar for Short time. But in the room she was really not good; she could not remember that she agreed to do a uncovered BJ etc etc, and her technical knowledge was very poor also. After we finished (around 30 minutes) she asked for a tip.

I don't tell any girl that I am first time in Cambodia. Thats the reason why I also not discussed with them about the prices.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter if you don't tell the girls that it's your first time in PP. They will be able to tell from the way you act. Anyway it doesn't matter. Now you know the approximate prices you hopefully won't be paying too much.

Another suggestion: stop taking girls from Walkabout. They don't care about their performance, they just want the money quickly. Go to the Golden Sorya Mall, about 200 metres north of Walkabout on St 51. Lots of reasonable looking freelancers who are more likely to give you a better time than the Walkabout girls. Or try Pontoon disco or Heart of Darkness after midnight.

I have made a few visits to PP for longish periods (working) , and would say that Rick Rock's experience is fairly similar to my own. I also have been described by the gals as a guy "with a good heart" and this counts for a lot in these places, I think our attitude counts for a lot more than many mongers realise.

This is not a boast or a go at what anybody pays. I would just like to let people know what I pay and the girls are very happy to go with me any and every time.

I now have to pay $15 at the WA but I give no tip. Any freelances are the same. Unless I was going to a brothel or a off the street girl and then that would be less At the Hostess bars I still have girls that will go for $15 others I pay $20, eventually it will be all $20.

Barfines they do vary and sometimes are not required. The boss is not always in the bar and if the girl wants to go for a ST well the girls all seem to have this understanding in some bars.

Not many if any girls will understand Thai so use the word yum yum not smoke if referring to BJ and it is a good idea to ask first.

In Cambo it's Yom Yom. I'm not getting into a war about this but if you're expecting to go to PP and get 30 out of 30 to automatically go down on you you're going to be disappointed. I'm in my 50's shower twice a day, not overweight, told I'm good looking, have 20 somethings that see me at home. P4P but not a lot as most like hanging out with me. Prefer P4P because women here are totally f*ked up and I don't need a full time gf to have a life. But if you read the forum you will see that there has been issue with certain things in certain places. The general consensus in PP was that oral was not a given. So for someone to state outright that they are batting 30 for 30 is at best suspect to me."I'm a stud" talk. I have no problem calling it as I see it.

AC has some of the most stuck up bar girls I've seen. I got turned down a few times but I was always gunning for the hottest girl on stage. I'm secure enough in myself to admit getting turned down. No hurt feelings, shit I turn down half the bar. I keep forgetting I'm not 20 anymore.

Vietnam is a pain in the ass but can be manageable with some work and the Hot Tocs are great. Loved the food.

Love Manila! DIA can be a lot of fun.

All I'm saying is if you pin your monger money on a guy that's thumping his chest in every post, even his last, you're going to be disappointed.

It's the old duck story.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1385702]It doesn't matter if you don't tell the girls that it's your first time in PP. They will be able to tell from the way you act. Anyway it doesn't matter. Now you know the approximate prices you hopefully won't be paying too much.

Another suggestion: stop taking girls from Walkabout. They don't care about their performance, they just want the money quickly. Go to the Golden Sorya Mall, about 200 metres north of Walkabout on St 51. Lots of reasonable looking freelancers who are more likely to give you a better time than the Walkabout girls. Or try Pontoon disco or Heart of Darkness after midnight.[/QUOTE]You would know better than I, but I've heard that most of the girls in Sorya Mall are banned from Walkabout. Any truth to that? Clearly some of them are drugged out, including one pregnant one who looks like she's wearing rags yet still tried to get me to take her (in between scratching herself). Poor thing.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1385820]In Cambo it's Yom Yom. I'm not getting into a war about this but if you're expecting to go to PP and get 30 out of 30 to automatically go down on you you're going to be disappointed. I'm in my 50's shower twice a day, not overweight, told I'm good looking, have 20 somethings that see me at home. P4P but not a lot as most like hanging out with me. Prefer P4P because women here are totally f*ked up and I don't need a full time gf to have a life. But if you read the forum you will see that there has been issue with certain things in certain places. The general consensus in PP was that oral was not a given. So for someone to state outright that they are batting 30 for 30 is at best suspect to me."I'm a stud" talk. I have no problem calling it as I see it.[/quote]That's because you have some weird irrational dislike of me despite never meeting.

[quote]AC has some of the most stuck up bar girls I've seen. I got turned down a few times but I was always gunning for the hottest girl on stage. I'm secure enough in myself to admit getting turned down. No hurt feelings, shit I turn down half the bar. I keep forgetting I'm not 20 anymore.[/quote]Another example of YMMV. Very, very rare to be turned down by bargirls in AC in my experience. In fact they aren't even allowed to turn you down in most bars, so if they absolutely don't like you they have to come up with another excuse about being sick or on their period.

[quote]Vietnam is a pain in the ass but can be manageable with some work and the Hot Tocs are great. Loved the food.[/quote]Agree with you there. Food is great, hot tocs are great. I also like the hostess bars because some of the girls are absolutely stunners, even though the prices are nuts.

[quote]Love Manila! DIA can be a lot of fun.[/quote]Hate Manila. Like Mumbai or another one of these massive polluted overcrowded dumps.

[quote]All I'm saying is if you pin your monger money on a guy that's thumping his chest in every post, even his last, you're going to be disappointed.[/quote]You're losing it. Aren't you the same guy a few posts back who was crying because I complained about PP and said repeatedly I don't like the place? Is that chest thumping when I talk about going back to my hotel alone several times because I'm shocked by quoted prices?

Plenty of non chest thumping posts and reports by me in Japan (when I got a nice STD) , South Korea, Costa Rica (when I got ripped off) , Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Thailand and the Philippines.

Get a job. Hounding me on an internet forum doesn't pay.