Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]Bearing in mind we will often have a different opinion on which girls are pretty, very pretty, beautiful or stunning, I think most of us would agree on who is decent / average looking, above average, doable or more than doable. Maybe I am wrong in assuming decent is essentially the same as average in this regard.

But if it can be taken as essentially the same, I have seen many decent/average (and above) girls walking out of Thermae with non Asians. I have also seen many pretty+ girls in there passed up by every man of every ethnicity and not taken now matter how crowded it is with customers. And I have seen many Asian men walking out with girls who barely qualify as doable. All variations on the theme really.

Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373139]
Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".[/QUOTE]I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.

Way back in 1991, the Thermae was Farang guy dominated, many much older than me. In those days it was very common to see guys approach girls, have a discussion (very basic I assume), and move on. Either the girl knocked them back, or guy was asking for things that the girl did not want, or money offer was too poor. Yet in that year I did not get refusals, even from girls that had refused several other guys. I don't know the reason. Was it because I was only 35, or not stingy, or had a small amount of Thai language, I don't know. In that year the girls would stay all night. Fantastic GFEs were had with seemingly horny girls, needing a bit of extra pocket money outside their regular job. Seems so different now. I got a lot of Thai language practice with these girls too, even I struggled a lot in that year. Most Thermae girls had very low English. Would love to go back and repeat.

Girls in the Thermae always had the right to choose what they wanted too. In old days they seemed choosy and seemed to look for a good time for night as well as some money. Back then they were only part time hookers, mostly.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2373053]On FinFin there are plenty of OK looking [I]photos[/I], but most faces are blurred and it's heavily photoshopped, so you can't really tell. Moreover, the process from site to bang it is a hassle (even on a good day) and more importantly, none of the online apps will ever offer the experience of choosing among eager hookers the real world used to. The site targets Thais, but if you speak Thai it's OK, even doable with typing in English (as long as you keep it very simple).

A few times I've done FinFin, the experience was browsing 300 profiles, picking 10, sending Line, 5 of them reply within a reasonable timeframe, the hottest one doesn't like Farang and quotes a high price (no, I don't want you for 3 k if the website clearly says 1. 5 k), the next two stop replying just as I'm about to arrange to meet, and the last one is somewhere far out like Ramkhamaeng, so I take an hour to get there. The session is ok, the few girls I had were reasonably friendly and unrushed, though no beauty queens. However, during the long ride back, I'm thinking I should have jacked off and gone about my day, so that's exactly what I do next time.

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.[/QUOTE]Great report man. It shows the realities of the hassles with meeting Thai girls that can be very unreliable.

While I can speak Thai and even type Thai well, I am not looking for the so called thrill of the hunt. I just can't be bothered to go through what you describe. Maybe I would make an exception and go to Ram Kham Haeng for a stunner, if I was sure about her face and figure. However girls that normally have Thai customers, may not be really at ease and horny with Farangs.

Hence I much prefer to do girls that normally fuck Farangs or at least greatly prefer Farangs. Far more likely to have a good experience that way. No point me going to an Asian dominated bar, MP, Soapy or web hook up site.

On a slight tangent:

One day went to Emanuelle Soapy and chose a slim absolute stunner for my taste. She had restrictions, dick scared, did not like to do a BJ, and in the end could not really fuck her. A disaster. She said that her normal young Asian customers had no issues with her. They were happy with her poor service, I guess because she was so pretty and nice body. Yet her skills and service were pathetic. Previously I did have some good girls from Emannuelle, that performed fine even if not used to Farangs, but it gets worse and worse, I suppose as I get older.

I don't really understand it, but back in the 90s I could go to a Soapy like Chao Praya 2, where probably the majority of customers were Thai, with some Farangs. Yet back then I had few bad experiences. Could the girls have had a much different attitude because I was younger? I don't think that can be the full story. Girls needed repeat customers. They seemed to try to make the service very good. Hardly met dick scared girls back then. Maybe it helped I had a good mamasan to consult with, not taking her recommended girls necessarily but more so asking her about my targets. She could easily rule out any terrible girls. In those days "body slide" girls tended to be reliable for service. Was never a hassle to be at Chao Praya 2 Soapy for hours, sit eating and drinking. When spot a desirable girl in a large line up, go do a session. Some times more than one session in same day, without even leaving the premises.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373144]I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.
...[/QUOTE]I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]They do with me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373100]And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.[/QUOTE]Not so sure if that's true, I'd say over half seemed willing to go with me. Maybe the thing is that most of the Asian punters are younger, look like they are having a good time, look like they have money, and are a little less creepy that us farang middle aged mongers (me included).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373167]I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You are probably spot on. I can be very deadpan and aloof, if I am not spotting any girl that interests me. Years of bar training to absolutely ignore girls of no interest, to avoid being pestered. I am not like some guys that can sleaze up to girls even if he has no intention of buying whatsoever. I don't like to waste the girl's time, unless sure she has nothing better to do with her time. I don't like to occupy girls' time without intentions, since could cause them to miss a real customer prospect.

I always believed making eye contact only encourages girls, so I don't like to make eye contact for too long with girls unless they interest me, and avoid it completely for the uglies. Refusing to make eye contact with girls gives an immediate clear message I think and helps keep away lots of bar girls.

I can't be bothered talking to lots of girls, unless the girl is particularly interesting to talk to. After all I went there to get a hot fuck.

I am capable of showing clear interest in a girl though, once she really pulls my eye. Maybe not the biggest grin in the place, until a stunner wants me. Ha ha. Girls will know when I can't stop looking at them repeatedly. Sometimes they then give encouragement and sometimes the reverse. So often I will know a girl is not keen at all, before I even approach. I would still call that a knock back, if an indirect one. If I speak to them and they don't answer, that is also a knock back in my mind.

Yes I accept my demeanour can count against me. I am not grinning heaps when there is no funny joke happening. However I am actually quite relaxed and jovial, even when girls think I am deadpan. I find sometimes girls will knock me back if I took too long to decide on them, as though they were not seen as really good, but merely a last resort reluctant pick.

In the 90's, there were none of these problems. I guess I was younger and more handsome (ha ha. Joke - rather average I think) and possibly seen as one of the most desirable guys on offer at the time. Not any more, yet I am not fat (not quite slim but okay). And still have hair (not even much white hairs) which probably counts for zero.

Maybe a big smile could help me. I notice Natty Bumpo can put on a more encouraging face than I probably manage. So I guess important for us to try to act much younger than our actual age.

Some of my regular girls are young and pretty and quite orgasmic, very into the sex, love DATY and cowgirl etc. , and don't seem to give a shit about my age. However the difference is they know my character already.

Some girls respond very well to me indeed. In a bar, it merely needs a wink or nod to show interest and call a girl over. Always have fond memories of an extremely lovey-dovey girl I met in Billboard, who was quite intimate after just a few minutes and a couple of pink tequilas. Yet I assume she turned it on for all the customers. She soon found a Farang BF sponsor and quit there very promptly. She certainly knew how to catch a big fish, pretty, good body and a good fuck too. Too good for me (sort of). I would have repeated her forever.

Early 2000s I used to get knockbacks from some bargirls and still did sometimes in Crazy House. The main reason had to be they wanted Asians or young spunky guys. We got used to it. They still had plenty of girls that preferred older farangs. They can lie back, close the eyes and really get into DATY, they can dim the lights for sex, to better ignore that the man is a bit old. If I offer girls the chance to skip the DATY, very few of them want to skip it. That might be the best part for them.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2373053]Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.[/QUOTE]In reality they may not be, but that is how psychology works. Men always covet something they don't have or cannot get.

I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.

Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.

Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.

She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.

Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.

So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.

So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.

So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.

Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.

Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.

Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.

Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.

She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.

Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.

So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.

So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.

So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.

Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.

Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.[/QUOTE]I think you hit on most of the reasons Thermae is one of the most uncomfortable and potentially least rewarding venues for choosing a good P4P girl unless you are the sort of customer who gets rock hard simply being alone in a hotel room with a girl and are delighted to engage in sex with a condom. In that case, the big advantage to Thermae over your (and my) better choice, go-go bars, is the price. You can get a decent looking, publicly presentable girl into your hotel room for as little as 2,500 baht. Not as good as meeting some of those same girls out on the street. But cheaper than the go-go bar route and most PSE MP and Soapy venues.

However, after getting a relative bargain price, good luck having a great time. Among those of us for whom a great time must include shaved or closely trimmed pussy, DFK, appreciated DATY, BBBJ and then either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM (with a girl who at least approaches our acceptable spec, of course), we must interview much more extensively in Thermae than any other venue I know. That's where the problem of Thermae being one of the worst possible environments to interview and negotiate these things rears its ugly head.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373459]I think you hit on most of the reasons Thermae is one of the most uncomfortable and potentially least rewarding venues for choosing a good P4P girl unless you are the sort of customer who gets rock hard simply being alone in a hotel room with a girl and are delighted to engage in sex with a condom. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes you hit the nail on the head there. I am a veteran of seeing hot nude girls dancing for many years and been to European clubs with nude girls. 30 years ago I even went to nude beaches with ex wife. So the girl just being in the room with me with small tits and a big Bush is not making me rock hard. Not even slightly hard with some girls. I normally rely on nice kissing to start me going. If I happen to get no kissing and a shit BJ, I can be struggling badly.

Why aren't I hard? Ask some girls. Well nothing happened yet to make me hard. A shy girl does not make me automatically hard, even if naked.

I can get a hard on in the bar, but not from watching girls dancing. From kissing and touching.

A Japanese buddy had a dick so sensitive, he would have to drink a fair bit of alcohol before getting the girl naked, for fear he would blow his load in less than a minute once they got started. Alcohol dampens the sensation and helps some guys last longer. Quite the opposite for me (take a long time to cum). Alcohol impedes my feeling. I would love to be a happy medium with a quite sensitive dick and able to pop multiples etc. Getting 2 pops is quite rare for me and have not even tried recently.

More and more I think I need BBFS, to better guarantee it will work with the girl. So I understand your situation well. Insensitive dick. We need favourable circumstances and girl behaviour.

Yes Thermae is cheaper than a bargirl, but far less likely to be a good time. It is disaster to lose my very good value and performance Soi 4 girl to a Farang sponser. She could have been working Soi 4 for multiple reasons. Save money, likes fucking and looking for a Farang boyfriend. Her only weakness was very small tits, not something that bothers me. Apparently pregnant now (and I think already had 1 child). I wonder if she got pregnant to hook the guy? A very dangerous ploy, but not uncommon with Thai girls. I certainly don't approve of couples rushing to have a baby. One girl recently said she had a baby with Boyfriend of a very short duration because she was 30 and the clock was ticking. Boyfriend did not last.

I am very keen to get the Vasectomy done soon.

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I am very keen to get the Vasectomy done soon.[/QUOTE]Getting a vasectomy was one of the best decisions of my life with regard to my sexual pleasure and reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancy to near zero, supposedly 20 times safer than 100% proper condom use.

Unless there is a new and better technique for performing one developed in the past 35 years since I got mine, research the "no-scalpel" vasectomy option. Do a Google Search. There will be no pain during the procedure anyway. But the "no-scalpel" method also hastens recovery with less pain. And is far less intrusive and risky in terms of unexpected longer term sensation loss on your ball sac.

That's the kind I got. I did not even know that was my doctor's preferred way of performing a vasectomy until he started the procedure. LOL. I assumed he was going to make two incisions on the front of my scrotum to access the vas deferens. No, instead, he just poked one hole in the back of my scrotum, almost to the taint, and pulled each of the two vas deferens through that single hole, one at a time, to perform the procedure.

I suppose that hole can be poked at the front of the scrotum. Don't know. But I am glad there were no incisions or holes poked on the front of my scrotum because I am one who enjoys light tickling there and did not want to risk even a minor pleasure sensation "dead zone" spot where scar tissue might inhibit pleasurable sensation long after healing. Maybe that is never an issue either way. But I was still glad not to even consider it could be an issue.

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I suppose that hole can be poked at the front of the scrotum. Don't know. But I am glad there were no incisions or holes poked on the front of my scrotum because I am one who enjoys light tickling there and did not want to risk even a minor pleasure sensation "dead zone" spot where scar tissue might inhibit pleasurable sensation long after healing. Maybe that is never an issue either way. But I was still glad not to even consider it could be an issue.[/QUOTE]Thanks for advice. I am very much into same tickling. All my regular girls know this very well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373582]Thanks for advice. I am very much into same tickling. All my regular girls know this very well.[/QUOTE]Yes, I knew that about you as well because I'd read it before here. But I didn't mention I knew it in my post because I didn't want other readers to get the wrong idea about how I knew it about you. Haha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]...............She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time............[/QUOTE]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.