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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]...............She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time............[/QUOTE]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2373621]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.[/QUOTE]A girl might claim "jep (pain) pussy" from DATY if she is out to scam a customer into bringing the entire session to a stop (after enjoying the DATY, that is) but for him to still pay her the full amount of baht agreed upon as though she'd actually provided him with some kind of sex act other than DATY. That is exactly what happened to me just about a week ago.
No, I didn't use my teeth either. LOL. I never do. Nor do I have long fingernails that might scratch her pussy from fingering it. Nor do I put some kind of ointment on my hands or in my mouth to make a pussy "jep" during DATY or while touching it. In my case, the mild and gentle DATY only lasted about 5 minutes. And after I asked if she was in too much pain to continue and did she want to leave now, she said Yes but forgot to continue pretending in an overly dramatic fashion that her pussy was "jep" as she happily hopped out of bed, showered, dressed and prepared to leave as though her pussy had never felt a moment of pain in its entire life. That was the final giveaway that she was lying.
Here are the links to my report on the experience and my followup report about what happened when I returned to the bar to tell a mamasan about it.
[B]Avoid the slim blonde scammer Nom in Butterflies[/B]
(Post #47144)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2371644[/URL]#post2371644.
(Post #47175)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2372783[/URL]#post2372783.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373629]A girl might claim "jep (pain) pussy" from DATY if she is out to scam a customer into bringing the entire session to a stop (after enjoying the DATY, that is) but for him to still pay her the full amount of baht agreed upon as though she'd actually provided him with some kind of sex act other than DATY. That is exactly what happened to me just about a week ago.
No, I didn't use my teeth either. LOL. I never do. Nor do I have long fingernails that might scratch her pussy from fingering it. Nor do I put some kind of ointment on my hands or in my mouth to make a pussy "jep" during DATY or while touching it. In my case, the mild and gentle DATY only lasted about 5 minutes. And after I asked if she was in too much pain to continue and did she want to leave now, she said Yes but forgot to continue pretending in an overly dramatic fashion that her pussy was "jep" as she happily hopped out of bed, showered, dressed and prepared to leave as though her pussy had never felt a moment of pain in its entire life. That was the final giveaway that she was lying.
Here are the links to my report on the experience and my followup report about what happened when I returned to the bar to tell a mamasan about it.
[B]Avoid the slim blonde scammer Nom in Butterflies[/B]
(Post #47144)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2371644[/URL]#post2371644.
(Post #47175)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2372783[/URL]#post2372783.[/QUOTE]Yours was obviously a bad girl and a scam artist. Oh well, it happens to us all occasionally. There is no way to eliminate a rare 1 in 100 or 1 in 200 ripoff. If one is experiencing a significantly higher scam frequency than say a 1 in 50 percentage than its probably time to reevaluate one's MO or sourcing.
The last bad one I had was in September 2018 from Badabing A Go Go. She was a pretty girl and very nice in the bar. I took her back to my hotel. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and bareback sexual intercourse for the 1st 12 minutes was ALL GOOD. Then she started asking if I could finish soon, ha ha, which she continued on with every 60 seconds like a stop watch until I got tired of it and pulled out thus terminating the session. Then she asked if I was mad and began apologizing, telling me that the next time I could take as much time as I wanted. I told her there was no next time only now time, but that I was not mad, only disappointed with her. So, I gave her 2000 baht. Our in the bar agreed upon price was 2500 baht. She did not complain, but asked for taxi money. I gave her 100 baht more just to get rid of her. Then I fixed up the bed, took a quick shower, and went to Nana where I picked up a cute little Chinese replica in RB4 and had a good time.
The moral of the story is that my Badabing girl got away with her bad service and your Butterflies girl got away with her scam because any amount we give them is a plus as far as they, the bad girls, are concerned. They received lady drink commissions, barfine points and received a significant portion of their fee all while shortchanging their respective customers. What can you say? This is the definition of a bad girl. So, I say fuck them and move on. Although I will add that my little episode turned me off on Badabing and I have not gone back or barfined a girl from there since. That may be unfair to the bar, but hey, it is just as easy for me to go to Kings Castle 1 & 2 or Pink Panther and I have never been burned in those bars.
For those who laughed when I told my story about the time I fucked the midget from Soi Cowboy, here's a photo of a somewhat similar midget. What guy in his right mind wouldn't fuck that?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2373663]...
So, I say fuck them and move on. Although I will add that my little episode turned me off on Badabing and I have not gone back or barfined a girl from there since. That may be unfair to the bar, but hey, it is just as easy for me to go to Kings Castle 1 & 2 or Pink Panther and I have never been burned in those bars.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am sometimes inclined to write off a bar entirely after a particularly bad experience too. Like you, I recognize that it is probably unfair to the bar. I wouldn't automatically do that after getting one bad meal in a restaurant I'd had good meals in before or hearing a lousy band once in a nightclub. There must be something about the let down after winding yourself up physically and emotionally for a good time, the personal investment you put into it for you and her. Why have the cloud of that memory over your head when you walk in that bar again? Especially when there are so many other bars and girls around.
Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you in the recent past just isn't nearly as pleasant as going into a bar where the slate is blank. Or, better yet, a bar where you have had good results and no scams pulled on you.
Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you to report it to the mamasan, while the girl is right there too, is probably too much for most punters to fathom doing. But I suppose there are times when it would bother me more not to do it than to do it. Lol. Could have something to do with the fact that I live here and am not just passing through. I have no excuse for not doing it. It isn't like I am so busy rushing to the next session before heading back to the airport or anything like that.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2373686]
Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you in the recent past just isn't nearly as pleasant as going into a bar where the slate is blank. Or, better yet, a bar where you have had good results and no scams pulled on you.
Going back into a bar where a girl has burned you to report it to the mamasan, while the girl is right there too, is probably too much for most punters to fathom doing. But I suppose there are times when it would bother me more not to do it than to do it. Lol. Could have something to do with the fact that I live here and am not just passing through. I have no excuse for not doing it. It isn't like I am so busy rushing to the next session before heading back to the airport or anything like that.[/QUOTE]I am not sure that going back to the bar to report the issue to the mamasan or manager does any good. In your example, if you had gone back to the bar right away with the girl in hand, mamasan might have given your barfine back or offered you another girl of your choice or she might not have. That's not a good position to be in if the response was the latter, but at least you would know for certain what kind of bar you are dealing with.
I did this one time ie went back to the mamasan with the girl in hand, but this was not in BKK. I was at 1001 Hotel and Spa in Jakarta. I was in a room with one of their girls. We had showered together and were in bed naked when the girl tried to place a condom on my dick before commencing a BJ. I objected. The girl said this was the only way she would do it. Then she said, "do you want a different girl?" And I said I would prefer you, but if you will not give me a BJ without condom, yes, I want another girl. I should add that I had never done this before ie tried to change girls. So, we put on our clothes and went downstairs to the reception / lounge area and we spoke to the mamasan. I told her my problem and what we had done in the room up to that point. The girl backed me up on my reportage. The mamasan's reaction was; there is no problem. CBJ is what we do here. Girl has done nothing wrong. You can't change girl. You can have 2nd girl and will be charged 2 x or you can go back upstairs and finish or you can pay what you owe and leave. I objected and after failing to convince me of her logic for 10 minutes, she asked if I wanted to talk to the manager. Having gone this far I said yes, I want to talk the manager.
So, the girl and I waited in the lounge area for another 10 minutes until the manager came out to talk with us. I repeated my story. The girl backed me up. The manger said the same thing as mamasan, what's the problem. There is no problem. Our girls don't give BBBJ's. I then said that I had been here many times and almost always received BBBJ's to which the manager asked me to name the girls who gave me BBBJ's. I said no, I am not going to tell (rat) on good girls and get them in trouble. Just take the charge off my tab and I will forget the matter. To wit the manager said sorry can not do that. He spoke to the girl and then said, take the girl back upstairs. I will reset the clock and you will have full time left and this girl will take very good care of you. I said no I don't think so. The vibe between us is no longer good. HA HA. He laughed and said no, it is still very good. This is her job. She will take good care of you and then he said something more to the girl and she nodded again in the affirmative yes. HA HA HA!
So, after fooling around in the lounge area for over 30 minutes I got nowhere. MY choice was to 1. reject the girl on principal, but pay my tab in full or 2. spend the next 3 or 4 hours arguing with security and or the cops or 3. take the girl back upstairs and fuck her brains out regardless about how I felt at the moment. I chose No 3 so the clock was reset and I went back upstairs with the girl in hand for the most unusual sex I have had with a prostitute in over 20 years. 555.
Back in the room, the girl started to go for the shower again and I said, "hey honey we just took a shower 30 minutes ago. Let's get to it." So, I laid down on my back stark nagged and she applied the condom and gave me a BJ while I remained a passive starfish customer with a chip on his shoulder. But she got me kind of hard and asked if she could proceed and I said yeah, so she mounted up and began to ride my dick as I continued to do absolutely nothing. But then I began watching her tits bounce all around as she was riding me pretty damn good and sonofabitch if I didn't start to enjoy it. Ha Ha. So, I cupped her tits and then realized I was rock hard. Eventually I flipped her over into mish and fucked her pretty hard, but not too hard, and sure enough I came in about 25 minutes. The God Damn slimy manager was right. The fuck itself was pretty good and the girl took pretty good care of me. I guess I am just a fuck hound! Anyway, I wasn't mad at the girl anymore. We even laughed a bit while we showered together and then we got dressed. But, as we were leaving the room, she asked me for a tip. So I said, "next time a customer asks you for a BBBJ, give him a BBBJ and do not say no." She responded with, "what about my tip" and I said, "that was my tip to you. Think about it." So, we walked back down to the lounge NOT holding hands and we DID NOT say goodbye. I didn't bother hanging out any further in the lounge or looking over any of the 100 or so other girls there as I usually would. I paid my tab which was 1,400,000 rp for the girl and left. I took a taxi up to CJ's and had shot of Tequila while surveying all the FL's in the bar. I did not take an 2nd girl that night. I was spent.
And that is my story about trying to change girls in a Bordello. It did not work out as I originally envisioned it, but my experience had a strange, quirky ending. BTW, thus far, I haven't gone back to 1001. It has been 2 years since this night occurred. Previously I had been a big fan of the joint and met lots of really great girls there. I probably will go back tentatively on my next visit. They have a ton of young, pretty Indo girls and my percentage there is roughly a plus 60/40 BBBJ's over CBJ's. In the past, I have also enjoyed anal rimmings and BBFS there too. It just depends on the girl and your luck of the draw. But of course, at other bordellos in Jakarta, the odds of receiving a BBBJ is 100% and of getting BBFS is maybe 60% without any negotiation. YMMV.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2373715]I am not sure that going back to the bar to report the issue to the mamasan or manager does any good. In your example, if you had gone back to the bar right away with the girl in hand, mamasan might have given your barfine back or offered you another girl of your choice or she might not have. That's not a good position to be in if the response was the latter, but at least you would know for certain what kind of bar you are dealing with.
... [/QUOTE]The mamasan did what I expected her to do and the most I expected really. She went directly to the girl, clearly pointed me out and took her aside to talk to her about it. I assume the topic had to be the same one I talked to the mamasan about. LOL. The girl was put on notice. I have seen that girl coming and going in the Plaza 2-3 times since. Never with a customer, btw, but maybe mostly she uses the ST rooms in Nana Plaza.
I would never take a second girl on the spot after getting scammed by another one in a bar. I would just go to another bar.
And there is a technical reason I never ask, demand or expect a bar or any other managed venue in Thailand to give me a refund. It can only be between the girl and me in the context of an, "I will give you X amount of baht IF you do this for me" kind of negotiation. Oh, if the bar wants to make a magnanimous gesture to do it they can. But it happens to me so rarely and the money on the line at that point so minor the money isn't important.
Ah, but you might think the point is to punish or penalize the scammer, right?
Well, technically, since 1992 the government of Thailand has asked bar, brothel, massage shop, etc owners NOT to penalize girls or give refunds to customers who expect to be provided with bareback/no condom sexual activity. That would be me.
And that is even if it is after fair and square negotiation for it and even if a version of such a thing is spelled out on a menu, such as "BBBJ+CIM." Another major reason never to Pay Upfront, while we're on the subject.
That is what the 100% Condom Use movement in Thailand was all about. And, as far as I know, it has not been officially abolished. Not that condoms were [I]required[/I] for every sex act, but that any girl at any time for any act and for any reason could demand one and not be penalized or the bar give a refund for her requiring one. That is so even if your brothel, MP or go-go bar girl suddenly demands that you wear a condom to jerk yourself off no closer than 10 feet from her left ear.
Now, it did not come to that in the room with my scammer. But that is all any Thai girl working in a managed venue (not a FL) needs to say was the reason she did not have sex with me if it came to her word against mine.
There has been a small surge of talent outside the traditional areas if you are on your game. Try the bigger bars in the W District, On Nut and Phra Khanong. The ones I have seen / chatted with in On Nut are pretty dismal, the ones at W District are OK and I played hide the sausage with one I snagged on Soi 71. Just smile and nod, you will know who they are.
I used to get plenty in Thong Lo, but I was younger and better looking. I'm sure that with this weather cramping my style, in the interests of science, I will head over there too.
So, I have a beard. It's not long, and I try to keep things trimmed to prevent too much irritation, but I think that Asian ladies are; A) not used to DATY in general, with their Asian BFs; and B) younger ladies (especially shaved) are somewhat sensitive to the irritation from a beard. This is why I like ladies that are not too young, as I think they have more experience with the pleasures of DATY, and they are more experienced with farangs with beards. There are no guarantees here, but you make choices to increase your odds. This is why I love Crazy House. The girls are less shy (if they are getting naked in the bar) and I can see what I'm buying. Frankly, the average good looking Thai 30 year old is pretty hot to me, so I'm easy to please in that way. I really don't want a 20 something from Bacarra that is just going to lay there like a rug.
One thing I try to do is motivate a lady with repeat business. I'm usually in town for a week, or so, and I try to hunt as soon as I arrive to maximize the number of potential visits she might get from me, if I'm happy with the service. I think there is a bit of an "art" to mutually picking a lady in a gogo bar. You want a lady that picks you, and you like as well. If there is anything for her at all, I find it leads to a better experience overall. I bar fined the same lady (AOM) from CH almost every night my last trip. She was fun, and genuinely nice, but I think she was looking for a farang BF to help her get away from the gogos.
As for scammers, they are like death and taxes, and unless it's really bad, I wouldn't press things too far with the bar, unless you're not concerned about burning any bridges. The reality is that the ladies and bars are like cable TV and cell phone providers. We pay a bunch of money, and usually things are OK, but if there is a problem, the customer service is next to non-existent. Switching companies (bars) is pointless as they all have their good / bad ladies.
Scammers are everywhere, and it isn't like all the scammers are at Scammers A-gogo. I think ET found a happy medium by saying something to the mamasan, and leaving it there. After all, the bar doesn't care too much as long as they keep getting the barfine, and lady drink profits, from the girl. In fact, a hot girl that gets kicked to the curb before the session is over can make them more money as she can come back to the bar sooner, and get another BF or more lady drinks.
I have typically only done gogo bars for take out, with occasional soapies and oilies, but my last trip I saw some serious lookers on the street around Nana. I had always avoided them out of concern of stories of the ladies trying to drug your drinks to rob you in the hotel. However, I may dip my toes into that pool if I get to visit again, later this year. We'll see how it works out. If I do, I will certainly report back here.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2373366]I felt it was time to give my Soi 4 street girl Naam, another visit. Have not seem her for over 3 months (hardly was in Bangkok). Always a great GFE and wonderful feel pussy. Got there and met Joom immediately who is a always there and a friend of Naam. Joom says sorry Naam is pregnant already, has Farang BF and they got married. Oh fuck! Another of my regulars gone. One other girl on the street looks sort of acceptable but I did not try. Went to look in a few Nana bars. I see there are now 2 Twister bars, with Twister BKK added to the left ground floor. Had a look and also in Bill Board. Bill board had a big party. Girls were dressed up a la Victoria's Secret slightly (so some had wings on). Junk food like Pizza and chips etc. Was being served too.
Annoyingly hard to see girls at the back on the rotating stage. Some really great asses on display at the front. Faces were harder to tell because the lighting is so dreadfully poor (and my eyesight is getting old). However I know that not many have a really pretty face (some above average though). From right underneath can see how broad most of the noses are even with nose job. Could not really pick any girl I could be sure of being happy with under the difficult circumstances. Tits can't tell either because covered too much. Had a peak in Diamonds with better lighting and some topless girls. Nothing that amazing for a pretty face.
Started to walk back to Cowboy, but decided to take a look in Thermae for fun. Was absolutely packed with big queues to get a drink. Heaps of Asian guys circulating clockwise. Did not really see Farangs in the circulating throng. Was surprised that 2 right hand side girls were actually quite good looking although lighting in Thermae is also a little subdued and of a tone that seems to make girls look better than they do once they are outside. Finally I see on left side a girl with light and pretty face (at least as far as I could see in that lighting). I had my incorrect glasses on (intended for computer work). She assures me that she likes Farangs and is not scared of them in the slightest. So I took her away for short time.
She was 30 YO or so. Her body was okay Tits small as expected and not saggy. Belly scar from a baby, but not a really heavy one. Ass okay Unfortunately big pussy Bush. If in a gogo bar, I probably would not have even called her over. Off to my Hotel.
Showered separately, the first suspect sign. She did not want to kiss more than a peck. Claimed to have injured her tongue while brushing her teeth. Ha ha. (I am Skeptical). She did not tolerate DATY for that long before complaining of hurt. Ridiculous! I was going incredibily soft and I have just shaved very smooth taking significant time. Was bothersome to have to get her Bush out of the way. No one complains about my DATY that fast, and hardly ever unless the girl has injury from her own pussy shaving. Most girls get horny even if reluctantly. So how am I going to get turned on. She has admitted to being quite inexperienced by now. A hairdresser by day in Ramkhamhaeng. In Thermae with a group of her friends / Colleagues. I doubt she has fucked many Farangs. She says she can do a BJ. So the BBBJ is actually not bad. Very slow and soft as I like. Dick goes up. So put on condom and try to fuck. Her pussy does not feel good for some reason like its hard to get in there very deep. Pussy is not gripping the dick at all, yet check with fingers finds no obstruction. It is possible deep down they could be problem like stitched too tight since fingers can only reach 4 to 5 inches and dick is somewhat longer. Anyway my dick is not enjoying the feel (after some beautiful feeling fucks at SW and Doki Doki in earlier days and even a bargirl from Five Star). So naturally the dick is starting to sag and her looks are not that massively hot especially with big Bush to keep me excited. I am oldish now. Dick is quite insensitive. Things have to go right for me to enjoy, maybe not like when I was 35 YO. Soon realised there was no way the fuck with her was going to work, and she was not even moving her body like she wanted it.
So yet another poor session from Thermae. In truth I have managed to cum with some of my girls from last few years at the Thermae, certainly not all, but not one of them was good enough to ever consider repeating. So that's it. Can't see any reason to ever go to Thermae again. My success rate is just too poor. Basically batting zero for last few years in terms of being really satisfied and considering it not to be a waste of money. Its for a different sort of customer, young Asians I guess. Maybe they don't care if girls have weak experience, lack of skills, big Bush, etc. Or maybe the girls can perform a bit better. I am sure I have had a bad string of luck with my choices, but don't see how to rectify that. If girls were dancing nude on stage, under good lighting, like at some bars, I could choose way better. Maybe could choose better with a long interview process but I detect that the girls hate long discussions and too many questions, generally. They want to know pretty quick if you will take them. In a gogo bar, I can manage to have a very long consideration and interview process before BFing. It works better and I have a much better success rate. MPs can be hit and miss too if they have plenty of dud girls at the venue. So venue becomes important. Had plenty of dud girls in Soapies in recent years too, with the odd really good one.
So it must be me. I am put off girls easily, and dick just doesn't work with too much adversity. The condom of course is the start of the adversity but can be tolerated with top performing girls with really hot looks. Never was a problem with my favourite Crazy House girls, for example.
So my advice, if you are an older Farang with a non sensitive dick like me, and need things to be going pretty much right with girls ability, attitude, looks, and body, then Thermae is a very suspect hunting ground, where can get very inexperienced girls and with low skills. Did not find many "horny" girls from there. More interested in quick money mostly these days.
Later I took a regular bar girl (several times in last 2 years). She was real horny and claimed to have had no fuck for a while. She came extra fast from DATY within 2 minutes, as she claimed her pussy had been quite deprived lately. Never found her that difficult to cum, and always likes the DATY. Gave me a good BBBJ and also a tit fuck since her tits are big (has gained a little weight). Also her pussy is very beautiful to look at which is nice for me, not just for fucking. Her landing strip above is very short and smooth shaved round the sides of the pussy to above the clit level.
Time to give the dick a day off maybe now. To make sure I am really horny again.[/QUOTE]I gave up on Thermae years ago. Performance, attitude, and pricing, none of the three work for me. It's a great place to go for a laugh. You still see some characters in there, but it's an Asian bar now and has been for years. Paying close to or more than 100 USD for substandard performance? You got to be kidding me.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2373208]In reality they may not be, but that is how psychology works. Men always covet something they don't have or cannot get.[/QUOTE]The whole point of coming to Thailand was you could get just about anything you wanted at a very reasonable price. That's why so many of us moved here years ago. You didn't "covet," you just did.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2373188]They do with me.[/QUOTE]You must be willing to pay what the Asian dudes do. And what are your performance standards?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373862]You must be willing to pay what the Asian dudes do. And what are your performance standards?[/QUOTE]Performance standards? What is this the Olympics? I'm not hiring a professional, I'm hiring some chick to do what I want. So that's my standard. My back hurts too much? Climb on top and Ill tell you what to do next. Its all about me. I'm not looking for a girlfriend, or to fall in love, or even a regular as doing the same chick twice is a burden to me. This what I want, how much. No do. OK, extra XXXX? I do.
And I'm willing to pay whatever I, meaning me and me alone, think is reasonable, because I can. I'm not in this lovely country to spend my time obsessing about some hooker getting an extra $10 out of me. If she has the look I want, then I pay, simple as that. If she doesn't, then she isn't getting her chance. And I am mighty particular. Last night I popped into Thermae and the girls were waving at me to get my attention, probably because I am in there so much just chilling and having a soda and laughing at the foolish way folks act in there. But the ladies know it takes a special someone to get my attention.
And I have all the time in the world to get what I want. I'm not desperate and I surely look a lot better than most of the falangs I see in Thermae.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2373857]The whole point of coming to Thailand was you could get just about anything you wanted at a very reasonable price. That's why so many of us moved here years ago. You didn't "covet," you just did.[/QUOTE]And now you don't. Boo hoo.
I was chatting with another BM about my very short trip to BKK last week. 3 days I shacked up with a girl I know from before, one I had met through TF. On Friday I went down to Thermae at around 11 pm and hung around for an hour watching the crowds milling about rehearsing for prom night. 5555. Then I went and approached a girl I liked and we were out in 15 minutes. She first started with 3 K ST. I said I only like to go LT. She said OK you take care of me. I nodded and we were out. I stayed at Shangri La, so it is quite ride back, but no complaints. Back in the room, no hassles with service. No rush. She stayed well into the day. When I was ready to leave for the airport around 1 pm she even wanted to come to see me off at the airport. I politely refused, kissed her and gave her the money and sent her on her way. And returned to SG in time for the F1 qualifiers.
Hey guys,
This is my first message on this forum. So I'm visiting Thailand in one month and Singapore after that for a longer time so I hope to provide good reports by then and RTFF.
So far I have read a lot of stuff so I already have my girl friendly hotels reserved, price ranges in mind and everything. The only thing I don't understand is the most stupid one, but from looking specially at those YouTube videos is. How the hell do you get a Gogo girl you like that is dancing on the stage? Am I supposed to smile, wink at them or do they have some kind of ID that I can tell to the mamasan to get them down and then pay the barfine? Really sorry for such a stupid question, but I don't seem to find a proper guide or explanation other than "you drink with a girl that you like, and if you want you pay the bar fine and take her with you".
[QUOTE=Turgid;2373621]This is the first time I have ever heard of a girl complaining of pain from DATY. That is virtually impossible unless you use your teeth.[/QUOTE]A girl I used to visit got fungi and told me clients doing DATY or just touching with their fingers was just painful as fuck, even though she enjoys it a lot.