German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Optimist;1800414]Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?. [/QUOTE]Because we are a bunch of losers with too much time on our hands. Maybe the FKK girls are right after all!!

FKK is like religion. Some go to the house of worship more than others. And when you are a zealot, you attack the views of others when their views don't line up with yours. That is my only guess.

Once your post count gets high, you seem to become a target. Nobody really cares enough to attack me.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1800414]Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?. Disagreements can be handled in a way which is useful to other members, but insults are pointless.

When so much of the land bordering Europe is full of hatred and intolerance, with death of friends, as Faceless says, and strangers, why is there so much intolerance and nastiness within this forum.[/QUOTE]In this forum, many intolerances in form of insult against the Turks (themselves and their culture) were left without comment. We can not be able to claim a tolerance.

McAdonis +1.

It's better to ignore the posts, than make a big deal out of it. Especially those parts that are subjective in nature. Those are left to interpretations and to be witnessed. I think somebody mentioned this, and the loudest ones are the most outspoken here. Doesn't mean much. Reports are ideally factual, and includes balanced of info. I just use some reasoning and commonsense when taking them in. Disagreements happen where opinions are different. If the opinions are backed up by good reasoning, it's just more solid. There will be some bias here as this hobby is about dealing with favs, regulars, and what clubs you find your favs. Based on how the reports are written, people can make better judgement. I just filter out what's necessary info, and ignore what is not. Any conflicts are going to go on with unnecessary string of posts.

Supposedly 10-15% people have personality traits that make them more predisposed to addiction, be it gambling, online porn, exercise, video games, sex, FKKing, alcohol, ISGing:

[URL]http://www.12keysrehab.com/blog/what-means-have-addictive-personality[/URL]

I would self-diagnose myself as someone who has an addictive personality disorder. At different points in my life, I've been addicted to different things. So if I didn't, deliberately force myself to do other things, I could easily become a full-time Internetwichser. Things like a job and making money are non-negotiable so of course I allocate time towards those activities, but sometimes I deliberately try to fill up my time with social commitments, because if I am alone, that's when I succumb to temptation. This is difficult because by nature I am a bit of a loner and I am private. I am the worst when it comes to calling up on an old friend to check on them.

This of course is a conundrum. Being a loner, being private, and having autonomy from your friends, family and work colleagues is what makes this hobby possible. When I FKK, I have to make up an excuse to disappear. I suspect the only guys who don't have to "disappear" are the ones who live ten minutes from the FKK club and only do quicky 2-hour visits.

For the guys in different countries / continents especially, posting and constantly checking ISG is a way to replace their FKK addiction with another addiction. Also, I think ISG is an outlet to deal with withdrawal symptoms. Sometimes you just want to talk to someone about the blowjob you got last week in the kino. You can't do that with your boss or family.

For me ISG is an outlet. Given it's a hobby for us, and people like to discuss their hobbies. Not in Germany or a local to attend at any moment, so this forum is a place to chat about the hobby that you can't really do so with others. I'm more for casual chats, and not really for serious reporting.

How do you guys who's been doing this hobby for along time keep it a hobby from turning into an addiction. Keep in mind I just got into this hobby last week.

The biggest rule that I picked up while doing my research in advance is fall in love with the place"FKK environment" and not the girls. But I am finding this more and more difficult when "particular" girls make affectionate commitments to you inside and outside the room. In my brain I am processing that this is just a strategy these girls use to establish regulars and stable cash flow- but its mind fucking me emotionally, especially for people who are going through or just went through troubled relationships.

Its like the logic and reason all add up and process in the brain- but its like arguing with a brick wall psychologically. This hobby can really become too destructive.

What do?

[QUOTE=Optimist;1800414]Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?.[/QUOTE]Because men will be men. Men cannot help competing and dick-sizing. Women are more clever, they circle the wagons and get what they want from Society.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1800524]For me ISG is an outlet. Given it's a hobby for us, and people like to discuss their hobbies. Not in Germany or a local to attend at any moment, so this forum is a place to chat about the hobby that you can't really do so with others. I'm more for casual chats, and not really for serious reporting.[/QUOTE]Could you stop cold turkey if you wanted to?

As the article points there are many people that can manage their addiction and be high-functioning leaders, business people, family men. [URL]http://www.12keysrehab.com/blog/what-means-have-addictive-personality[/URL].

Above article lists five personality traits, that I think can be mapped to behaviors of some FKK customers. I am not trying to judge anyone here. Like I said, when I reflect on myself, I believe I exhibit these traits.

(1) Impulsive behavior: "acting without thinking of impact of actions". FKK equivalent might be a married man who likes to engage in AO.

(2) Sensation-seeking: "adrenaline seeking, constantly want to seek out new experiences". FKK equivalent might be the customer that never repeats and wants to try all the new girls.

(3) Valuing nonconformity: "low desire to achieve goals valued by society". FKK equivalent would be someone like Mr. Ho who is vehemently opposed to the idea of marriage. Another example: all of us are perplexed about why society stigmatizes pay sex.

(4) Social alienation: "lack a consistent social group or social connections". FKK equivalent is the guy who attends the club every day. Or the guys from other continents who spend all their holidays in DE.

(5) Compulsive behavior: "engage in activities that result in negative consequences". While attending an FKK is perfectly legal, some jobs require a higher moral code of conduct. I once met this customer who told me was a school teacher in France. He said he would be risking his career if parents in France found out about his hobby.

[QUOTE=XXL;1800542]Because men will be men. Men cannot help competing and dick-sizing. [/QUOTE]Like how you were able to come up with a more succinct and insightful answer than mines?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1800543]Could you stop cold turkey if you wanted to?[/QUOTE]I dunno. What's with these personal posts? Personal posts on a public forum is not my thing.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1800431]Because we are a bunch of losers with too much time on our hands. Maybe the FKK girls are right after all!!

Once your post count gets high, you seem to become a target. Nobody really cares enough to attack me.[/QUOTE]You are such a quirky fun guy, it does seem pointless to attack you. Good to have a special fetish or too. Some of us enjoy some relatively harmless arguments, but I am not so keen on the syndrome where guys have to be attacked or "put down" on every topic, because someone else wants to be "the guru" . Sharing "useful" information is what is supposed to be about, but some posters seem to fail to provide anything really useful on an all too regular basis. Posters with some writing talent can also be very entertaining or funny. Okay That is not me for sure, however some buddies can.

My FKK time is starting to drop off, to save money and to do better things and not stationed in Frankfurt. We are probably all sex addicts to some extent, however going 2 weeks without sex is not a big problem for me. I don't believe sex is wrong or that there is anything wrong with paying for it to get superior girls and importantly to get it more often. Many of get to spend enough time with girls on non-sexual things but our sex lives are not so great. The married man doesn't get so many fucks per week.

I don't really see the value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day. I think that surely 1 or two is enough, but there is always that fear of missing out and needing to try that new pretty girl, or being unable to refuse regular girls so easily. For guys that pay big money to get here, they really have to do a lot of fucks to justify the airfares. I mostly only use weekends to attend FKK when have nothing better to do. Right now I do have better things to do, so no FKK this weekend, but still a quick post or two.

Posting is an a far worse addiction than FKK fucking, although only wastes time.

Some really crazy German guys are attending Sharks on a Sunday for wellness. LOL, and maybe will fuck a girl, maybe not. I guess they a lot more available time than available money.

Yes we have time and money on our hands, and are willing to support foreign girls in need, hopefully not support sex trafficking criminals or leeches (but inevitable), and have a bit of regular fun in our otherwise boring lives. I have a fabulous looking girlfriend, however not in this country and even when I am home, the sex is far too infrequent, even she seems to enjoy it and be multi-orgasmic. Perhaps she really only wants a 20 to 30 minute quickie. Anyway, clearly she is not highly sexually motivated to want it several times a week. I picked the wrong girl. Another girl I liked a lot once, and who liked sex a lot, is now with a very rich man and no longer available. Being just friends with really hot girls sucks somewhat.

Outsource the sex. That is clearly the way to go for most of us.

Of your 5 key precepts, I identify mainly with 3: anti-religion non-conformist, a little of 4: anti-social type, and 5 compulsion. Sex is my only serious addiction/compulsion assuming laziness doesn't count. LOL. Just one is more than enough.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;1800331]Probably it; s not the right place to say, but fuck ISIS, they killed one of my friends in Bataclan! Fuck.[/QUOTE]So sorry for your loss. Maybe this isn't the place for it, but I couldn't let your sad news go without some support. It sounds like France is ready to go to war. ISIS is definitely defeat-able. I hope the US joins in, and once the region is cleansed of this scorn, the locals will have learned their lesson and will endeavor to create a stable modern nation.

But I don't want to launch a big political debate. Right now I just wanted to pass along my commiserations.

[QUOTE]Syzygies: I don't really see the value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day. I think that surely 1 or two is enough, but there is always that fear of missing out and needing to try that new pretty girl, or being unable to refuse regular girls so easily. For guys that pay big money to get here, they really have to do a lot of fucks to justify the airfares. I mostly only use weekends to attend FKK when have nothing better to do. Right now I do have better things to do, so no FKK this weekend, but still a quick post or two.[/QUOTE]You are so lucky in the area. If I were you, I might do the same (one or two fucks per visit). However, I only have 2-3 visit opportunities per year, so each time, intend fucking a lot in each day. "The value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day" is great value for me.