If you were in India and asked for bacon on your burger the cashier would be offended
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576749]How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.[/QUOTE]Mr. E you've simplified your take on the issue of guys approaching Chicas for bareback sex.
And the reality is that asking to bareback a Chica in some instances and in lot's of Countries will offend a sex worker where sex is highly regulated. In New Zealand as an example there's posters in the rooms regarding the use of condoms.
As your aware sex in Colombia is not regulated, yet some Chicas will get offended if asked to bareback here. Put yourself in their shoes, a guy comes along and wants to bareback them, and for all they know the guy could have Herpes, Genital Warts, HIV, to name a few and don't want to take the risk of acquiring an STD, and hence would be offended by being asked.
Today I was under the Parque Berrio Metro station talking with a Chica and this very subject came up indirectly. I asked her how much for her services, she said 30 K, and then in Spanish I said que es incluido meaning what was included, and then she said all the sex was with a preservativo (condom) and was very adamant about it. She apparently didn't understand what I asked in Spanish, and may of thought I was saying does that include a condom confusing "incluido" with "condon" in Spanish.
Bare-Backing El Centro Chicas For A 5 K Upcharge-Now Your Talking
[QUOTE=ABizzle;2576675]How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.[/QUOTE]If your going to bareback any Chicas in El Centro, why would you even be concerned whether the girls feel unsafe or are offended. If they agree to it, you shouldn't be concerned, and in Colombia, it's very common for guys to ask for it, so it won't come as a surprise to them like it would be in other Countries.
As far as what percentage of the Chicas that will go bareback, well that in most cases will be a function of what your willing to pay, and how much they want.
Right before the Pandemic, and out of curiosity only, I asked a Chica in El Centro how much more to bareback her, and she said it was expensive and would be an upcharge of 5 K.
So to answer your question whether 30 K would be enough, well if the Chica is going for 30 K, then that's a huge amount of money to offer. With a 30 K girl, start at 15 K, and see if she bites.
If not, double down at 30 K and you will probably get to cream pie her!
Trip Report (June 26 - Jul 18) - DAY 2-8
Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.
SA / NON-PROS.
Enjoying my trip so far, and this is rather a summary instead of a day by day breakdown. After the first day on my previous report with the late SA chica drama that I had to cancel, apologies came in order from both sides and we re-arranged a meet. She's 25, maybe 7. 5/8, personality 10. We've met 2 times so far, full GFE, BBBJ / BBFS, all good, for an evening till next morning damage 200 k. Then I met with one of my 10's twice also, dinner date + overnight, 20 years, 10 all around college student, Full GFE, first date w condom cost $0, second date BBFS, damage 200 k. I have one more 10 that made contact also, we have a date set for this week. No longer an active member but were the few I kept in roster and had build a relationship with. I've also made the effort to approach couple non pros in the streets while walking around, and one cute morena waitress. We are in discussion and setting some dates, they want to take me out to some parks, one is a sweet couple so a possible threesome is in order, all free.
Daily chicas: Averaging 2-3 daily.
Centro chicas:
Met a buddy from my flight and another from the hotel, we stroll through Centro quite a few times, drink beers and talk to chicas. I haven't use their short time hotels but invited few so far to mine (Nutibara) and 50 k each round. Best time for Centro is afternoon between 3-7 PM, entire wall of Veracruz church and past it to the main intersection is crazy with chicas. If you stand around and walk around a little by the bars and in that area, you should be able to see many within your taste, many 6-8 range or even better rarely. White / Blacks, Colombianas but mostly Venezolanas, young, old, some could be underage I don't know. At times I would ask a super young looking one their age they always say 18/19 with IDs. But still be careful. Some will ask 50 k incl hotel, some ask for 30/35 k + hotel which is about 15 k so it's the same thing. Last night I walked around past 9 pm, there were kids playing in plaza botero, no cops but didn't feel any danger. Walkd through busy intersection and saw a hottie who's at least a solid 8, took number but went to parque lleras to see what was going on there.
Casa runs:
Buddy came nearly daily to my hotel via Uber, then walkd together to New Life, if nothing's appealing we'd walk to Amiga de Sexy couple blocks away. Zandaly is also within a shorter walking distance, and we've also visited Energy. Energy had a short line up and we were told they do outcalls now so most of the hot girls were not there, kinna was disappointed.
New Life: You pay after you finish, 55 k for 30 min.
Amiga sexy: Pay upfront: 50 k for 30 min.
Zandaly (has best line up, Andrea's my fav and solid 8) 50 k /30 min, 85 k / HR.
Energy: Massage incl, 140 k / HR.
Strip Clubs:
I didn't visit La Isla / Face 2 yet, but did some runs on those rundown centro strip clubs like Conejitas (banged for 100 k, maybe a 7). Buddy banged one at Hilton Grill, 72 k, solid 8, I banged two from Barra Ejecutiva, all walking distance, solid 8, 80 k, then she came to my hotel again for same pricing and spent more time. There are still several clubs I wish to visit, just so little time. During each club visit, Centro, Llera, I always end up adding 5 hot chica numbers on my phone, and definitely not enough time to bang them all.
Parque Lleras:
I visit Lleras every other night, my first encounter upon arrival of my trip was from there on my first report. Parque lleras is what it is, some here will swear it's the best place on the planet and it's not. Gusto's quality has gone down, last night cost to enter was 20 k, me and buddy walked right out. I did get a couple numbers from a previous visit that I may do biz with. Met several chicas there and saw several from Centro. This happens when you stay close to Centro and walk around a lot, you become familiar with the faces especially if you've exchanged numbers with them. I mean many of them. If I didn't know many times I'd pay the 150 k /250 k they're asking in lleras, but hard for me to justify when I can get them in Centro for 30. The ones not from centro I've had good and bad experience with. Good experience mean I paid 150 k, GFE, no drama, muy carinosa, all went well. Then last night, met this brunette from Col, 22, at first she appeared sweet and interesting, but there were red flags which I fully ignored, and I will write why I missed those since there were some major distractions in the park last night.
Police called. Night of 7/4th, 2: AM.
So w / the 22 year old brunette from lleras, we agreed on 200 k after she asked for 250. We spent maybe 30 minutes together, talking, bought her a beer, danced very briefly. We stood both inside and outside of a bar next to Gusto, and entire time she kept on saying she's really good in sex, she really want some, and kept on insisting on going. She was also giving me those quick kisses on the lips, trying to seduce me. Now mind you, I am no expert but I am no newbie either. My spidey senses are normally intact, and the usual me would reject her in a heartbeat. Girls like that always offer bad service, always a major disappointment, plus she smokes weed. We took a cab to the hotel, she was talking shit about oh why do you stay downtown and not Poblado? It's ugly here, blah blah, more redflags (she lives in Poblado and dresses fancy). All things I shouldn't ignore but I did, again you will see why soon I wasn't on my game.
So after she got in the room, I put some music, then she took off one side of her dress then asked for the money upfront. This is something I never do, and will never do unless I'm in a professional establishment like a brothel or strip club. So I explained politely that you know damn well I can pay you, let's do business and you'll get paid, hard no from her, and hard no from me. Immediately I said well get the fuck out. She called police, or wanted 150 k for her time LOL. I'm not going to do that either and offered 50 k and she declined. Police came w / in 10 minutes with hotel clerk. There were two of them, both started listening to my side of the story first, then one who was aggressive walked away to listen to her side, not sure what she said he immediately came in my face and said you pay her, or handcuff, said that in Spanish. Thankfully I speak a little, nearly fluent, I was able to defend myself and explained she's been in my room for 5 minutes, and in the club for 30 minutes talking only and people normally don't pay for that. Then the aggressive fucker said this is Colombia. I had to reiterate that normally it's not the way things go in Colombia. Talking to someone for few minutes doesn't warrant payment.
This is the big difference with Dominican Rep, Costa Rica and Colombia. In DR and CR you get more protection as a tourist then in Colombia. In Colombia the only thing they love is your money, but you get no protection, and in fact it is a dangerous country if you don't know how to move. No one cares in Col. In DR, If I mention police the chica would run. Here I almost got locked up for me getting robbed.
I believe it was her intention in the first place, to tease, then run away with some free cash. This has been attempted before and happened once to me Mde, and prev chica left with taxi money, but never had one with audacity to actually call the police. She was arrogant, very loud and very vulgar. Her name is ROSA, long dark hair, has braces, almost petite, would rate her maybe a 7, lives in Poblado. So if you run into her, beware. I've seen guys made chicas send everything negotiated in their whatsapp, and I at times thought those were excessive, but now I'm thinking about doing the same, including mentioning in writing if you'll pay upfront or after. The thing is, this will happen 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 times. So it is rare, but when it does happen your entire vacation could be ruined. I notice this is also why many vets have a set of trusted chicas in their roster, and repeat with only with those and I don't blame them. My previous trips I didn't do that, and now learning from wiser vets and doing the same. Making of list and saving all good chicas, and when I return to simply go through the list that way no unexpected malicious behaviors, then can still do casa runs and club runs since those are in a business settings and won't rob you.
So one of the cop who was decent, agreed with me and understood my position, suggested that I just pay her half. So I paid her 100 k and she left cursing out loud, I replied and wished her happiness for stealing $28.
Why her, gay parade in Parque Lleras.
The entire city had a major parade all day, July 4th, and today is a holiday, many businesses are closed etc. So at first I thought it was some simple street parties, started around the centro area which I accidently took part of walking from one of my casas. Took some vids, shots, rested in hotel then a quick stroll through the plaza and then Lleras. While in Lleras, I was shocked the celebrations arrived at the park. AND found out it was mainly a gay parade. I am not homophobic, no issues with gays. But I was disturbed that they chose parque Lleras. I mean there were hundreds, music, stages, dances, dudes in dresses and skirts twerking all over the place. Many hit of me, and I'd be offended if they didn't since I look good LOL. So I arrived there like 9:20 p and parties lasted till 1-2 AM but the park / club stayed open till 4 a just like weekend being a pre-holiday.
Myself and many other mongers were talking and joking about the many dudes holding hands, drag queens, trans, and we were concerned about taking one home accidently as a joke. But still was a sight to see, dudes dancing and grinding on each other in the bar I was at. So this is why I wasn't focused and wasn't on my best game to detect this chica's bullshit. Otherwise this wouldn't happen to me. It was still an entertaining night, just didn't get laid and spent 240 k total for the night LOL. 100 k for her time and 140 k in street beer / taxi. Not my best night, but still could've been worse by me going to jail because I almost grabbed the ***** to throw her out of my hotel room when she didn't want to leave. Thankfully I wasn't drunk and thought hard on things. I won't let these few bad apples change my overall opinion on women in Colombia. Because most are genuinely kind and worth being with, pros or not. This is no different than the states where a hooker would arrive, asked for money upfront to pay taxi, walk out and never come back. You can't call the police since it's illegal and this happens many many times when you pay the wrong ***** upfront. This is one of cons or the price we pay for pleasure.
Heartbreak / betrayal.
This title "Heartbreak" is rather for entertainment. The buddy I met from the plane and many others I've already hangd with will immediately tell you one thing for sure about me, that I'm a hardcore MF, insensitive and ruthless at times. I use logic above all emotions, but overall try to play fair.
So in this story, met a solid 8 initially in Centro while few buddies and I were hanging out. She's 27, has a younger sister who's even hotter, from Venezuela. It's possible some of you have met them. I met those two again, including a whole posse also while at Parque Lleras at nights, numbers already exchanged since the centro meet. Then this past Thurs morning she contacted me to see if I wantd to take her after she saw me both in Centro then Lleras prev day, I offerd 100 k for an HR, she counter with 250 k min, then I advised her hey I met you frist at Centro, and we all know the going rate and that's what I'll pay, so she counted again with 120/ HR, and two hours 240 k. I took the 2 hours option incl taxi since she was coming directly from home (lives in Poblado). Came and spent 3 hours, very friendly, great session, two rounds, 240 k. She was very relaxed, didn't even want to leave, and we only left the room since buddy was on his way to grab lunch together. So I invited her, we all ate lunch together, chilled, laughed, then she proposed to take me out to Guatape on Sat, would spend the night both Fri and Sat at no charge although I had plan to compensate her properly. When she was in the room, we did talk about a lot things, family, etc. She was ok to become friends, and we had a good vibe. I almost forgot I was dealing with a WG. Oh well. This is the friendly part of me. When I meet someone who opens up, I open up also and share a bit and allow them in my circle.
So during lunch, buddy mentioned and asked about her sister since we all saw the sister in the street, prob a solid 8. 5/9, then she said after lunch she'll go find the sister, and can meet us later at Lleras for a double date. Date was solid, as I we had plan to take them to Lleras park club, get a bottle etc. We did something like that the night before with two chicas from Lleras. When we arrived at the park, buddy she's her, crossed the street and got her attention, and pointed her to me from across, she saw me, waived and I waived back thinking she'll come talk to me to figure out where we're going the 4 of us. Suddenly some other dude grabbed her and they talkd for a while. At first I thought she was giving out her number, she's a WG and no biggie, but she did the worst thing you can imagine. First, I saw the guy she's talking to staring at me incl a friend of his, not sure what she told them, perhaps she has a date with me, guy seemed over agitated and was negotiating very hard LOL. Then walked to a bar and bought her a drink. While I'm waiting across with my buddy, a beautiful Vennie came to talk to me and proposed me, I declined. But when I decl a girl, sometimes I say things like, maybe later. Then I notice the girl who came to propose is a friend of my date, so I'm being set up, my date sent another girl my way so she can go away with the aggressive dude? Yikes!!
She did just as I imagined, she walked away with the guy. After a while, in disappointment, took the courage to go ask the younger sister what happened, sister said my date thought I agreed to go with the friend. I'm like that BS, and she did that as a way to not look so guilty, to manipulate. I almost took the younger sister home instead as a revenge, but I didn't even want to mess with that crew. To me it's disrespectful. I don't expect complete honor among working girls, but still a little decency goes a long way. Because there was absolutely no reason for it, I got money just like that guy she left with, plus we had plans for many more dates. It's true WG aren't smart. They'd rather make quick buck now, and lose out of a more stable source including a friendship. First, you can't truly break someone's heart unless they're in love with you, so I wasn't heartbroken, but definitely felt betrayed in some form.
Later that night we had a heated discussion via text as to what happened. She sounded very convinced that I accepted her friend's offer, or she's a good manipulator, especially since it's her friend that came to me. What a coincidence? Then she immediately came to tell you? Whatthefuckever I wasn't born yesterday. Then claimed that's why she left with the guy. I'm like you couldn't even approach me to confirm? We broke bread together earlier, we bonded, I deserved at least that. Your girl came and talkd to me for two minutes, and you're telling you were willing to walk away with another guy in front of me, without a word? In fact, while we were in bed earlier, I even told her how I turn women down, by telling them later cause I don't want to be rude sometimes and laughed that it's a terrible way. Now you're telling me I told your friend maybe later, and you believed it? Made no sense. Anyhow, she apologized, but obvio all future dates are cancelled. I don't care if she fucks 20 guys a day, but when it's my turn, it's my turn. If I have to wait for another guy, and you skip me right in front of me, you're trash. I did exchange some harsh words, and was my error once more to think a hoe can have honorable words.
Here for two more weeks, and definitely won't make those rusty mistakes again. Few months out of the game will do this to you. Or being too happy enjoying yourself will make you let your guard down till you're reminded with a heavy cost. These issues do not occur with non-pros, and my romantic side always get the best of me trying to treat hookers like women. I always defend them when men treat them like trash on here, and this is what I get. So no more. *****s are working girls, don't try to domesticate them, don't marry them, don't take them on dates, negotiate everything upfront, in writing is even better (suggested by the police that came even). Don't make the mistakes I made. Still having a blast.
Put the crack pipe down for 1 min
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2576567]Granted I don't get the complete picture because all three have been on my Ignore List from early on. And I don't give it more than a passing notice, but MarquisdeSade1, MaddTraveler, and MiamiSammy scream at me as the same skewed individual. The purpose appears to be mainly piling on, validating, and furthering his own viewpoints and agenda. In other words the height of insecurity. Just like when a septic tank overflows, I still get exposed to his seepage when his posts are included in other users' replies. Mood stabilizer drugs could play a helpful role here. Or something. Maybe a long walk off a short pier, jajajaja.[/QUOTE]I don't know you nor recalled what I did or said to you. I just notice my username in your post. My dude, I own multiple businesses incl internet ventures. I don't use social media, and this platform and couple others are the only ones I use to share and read intel on our hobby. Meaning, unless something is making me money, it doesn't interest me much. So what benefit would I have to troll here, waste time or to have multiple accounts? You're nuts.
If 3 different users disagree with on some BS you wrote, the logical thing to do is question yourself, that maybe stop posting your garbage that make 3 diff users disagree with you instead of having illusions that we're all the same person. I find that pathetic, no merit whatsoever. Normally I ignore retards, but I just wanted to make it clear for the records.
Your next attack will be reported and hopefully Admin will take note.