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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577338]You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems.[/QUOTE]Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2577220]I know man, it is Karma. Unless it's family or wifey, no more bruh. Do as you please. After you nut feel free to stick 20 inches of your foot down their throat, I'm done caring LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm in a strip club in the US waiting for a puta in the back room, I'm sitting at the bar the place is empty, she texts me saying she will be out in 2 minutes.

I did her several times in the past, so I see she starts walking towards me and WHAM it happens, she sits down with some old guy I didn't even notice sitting in the corner.

I was like WTF? She was smoking hot A true 10.

So instead of just leaving because I'm pissed, I walk up to the table and say what are you doing, and she says I'm talking to this gentleman, don't be rude! Jajajaja.

I was furious, not offended or hurt just pissed, I'm guessing he didn't even take her.

She probably just thought she could try to snag him and get still get me jajaja.

She was a solid 10 and she fucking knew it.

I blocked her number and didn't go back to that club for a few years.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577338]You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems. All this matter has still to be understood, and science does it starting from empirical facts.

Indeed, there is some evidence that being vaccinated, that is having some immunity, DOES protect to some extent also from being infected. Otherwise, how could one / we even mention herd immunity?

To what extent, it has still to be assessed. Vaccines have been out for less than one year. Nothing. To make the matter even more complex to assess, variants are more or less resistant. The system is quickly changing, before we understand the parameters.

The origin of your claim, very common around, is that statistical facts in vaccine trials and mass vaccinations have been mostly collected by counting those who fell sick, not doing a PCR to all those who were vaccinated (impossible in practice).
Most plausible conjecture is that vaccines protect to a less extent from infection, than from falling seriously sick, but this does not mean that there is no protection against infection..[/QUOTE]This all makes perfect sense to me, which means someone is going to come along saying it's all garbage because of something they read from a guy who never took a science class.

Now let me throw a wrench at it.

I (vaccinated) caught Covid (most likely) from my brother, even though I probably was only within 6 feet of him for under a minute while he was contagious. I was probably contagious for nearly 3 weeks (unaware I was infected for the first 2+ weeks). During that time I spent at least 8 hours within 6 feet of 3 women and 2 hours in that range with a fourth, plus 2 hours having sex with a fifth. Only one has become infected. She was the one of the first 3 who had the lowest average distance from me.

Had I known of my infection, 1 less person would have been infected (assuming she won't infect anyone during her infectious period. If I had not been vaccinated, I probably would have been tested sooner, cancelled my trip and not infected anyone else.

On the other hand, if, being vaccinated, I had been asymptomatic, I would have been in closer contact with several other women, possibly infecting more, who could pass on the infection.

While the vaccine does reduce the chance of spread, it is not a perfect solution. There will be situations where, on a local scale, a vaccinated person will infect more people than if they were unvaccinated.

To try to make it clearer let's talk seatbelts. Seatbelts save lives. If you compare 100,000 accidents where everyone wore a seatbelt with 100,000 accidents where nobody wore a seatbelt, the benefits are obvious and undeniable. However, there are accidents where people die because they were wearing a seatbelt.

It's simple. For the overall public good, the more people who get vaccinated (and wear seatbelts) the better. But on the micro scale, for a small number of people, getting vaccinated (or wearing a seatbelt) will make things worse.

This is word for word, no translation required because she is fluent in English. I can't believe it has been almost two years already. The auto editor here changes some words automatically, I was not calling her a "working girl" jajaja.

{2:34 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Love, I have an emergency, can you send me money?

{2:37 PM, 10/01/2019} Barbara Bogot: Please.

{2:39 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: not a peso, not a dime.

{2:40 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you.

{2:40 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: If we had already met and I liked you, if your holes were tight and sweet, maybe.

{2:41 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I need 100 pesos, I'm very sick, please help.

{2:44 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: Are you really asking for 100 pesos?

{2:45 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay, I don't bother you.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: What I mean is that that amount is so small that I can't even send that amount. That is roughly. 03 cents American, you must mean more.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: 100,000 love.

{2:47 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I have strong migraines and I want to go to the doctor to help me I have 3 days without eating because the headache is so strong that I can't even eat.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Migraines are horrible, but I have heard all the working girl tricks and lies from girls like you before and I think you are a lying * just like the rest of them.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay Thank you.

{2:51 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: But if you promise never to ask for money again, I will send it to you and we will still see each other to fuck. Of course, fucking is a separate arrangement. I don't expect you to do it all for free but I will ask for some extras.

{2:52 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I promise not to do it anymore, I don't usually do this but I am desperate since I can't work and the migraine is very horrible I am crying from the pain for 3 days.

{2:54 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I will send it Western Union. I need your exact name as it appears on the government ID that you will use to collect the money.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love, really.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: The name is XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXX.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I have never been told the truth from any of you girls about needing money, I have heard it all from sick mothers to sick children, for birthdays, for travel to funerals, but it is worth paying you this small amount knowing you will not ask me again and knowing you will feel like you owe me when we fuck you will spread your holes extra wide open.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I will do that and more.

{2:59 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I can only tell you that in this world of porn there are many bad and experienced people, I cannot say that I am not like that since you do not believe me but I only wait for the moment in that we can meet to prove the person that I am, maybe not to have a relationship but to create a bond of complicity and friendship, and that brings confidence, is little by little but I will succeed.

{3:02 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Wait, I'll try to send the money now, it will take several minutes. Then you will need the tracking number. My number one working girl is in bed next to me right now. I hope you are happy because she is watching everything I do. Of course now I'm going to have to give this working girl twice as much money as I give you, hahahaha.

{3:03 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Ok love, I'm waiting for you.

{3:05 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'll say one thing, you talk and write better than most sluts. You have a brain in your head. But you're still a working girl to me who does what working girls naturally do that is ask for money for doing nothing.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And I'll always be your working girl.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: That won't change.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I just won't be an empty working girl.

{3:13 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: wait.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I'm doing it.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:19 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: OK very important we get your name exactly right or they will not release the money.

{3:24 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:24 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'm sure that a liar working girl like you is already familiar with the process, but I'll tell you anyway:

{3:26 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The tracking number is XXX XXX XXXX.

{3:26 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And whoever sends love will ask me.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I am the luckiest lying working girl.

{3:27 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The exact amount is 150,000 COP. I gave you extra because in my experience, working girls are too stupid to know how much they need.

{3:28 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you daddy.

{3:29 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: With a 1% chance you are telling the truth, I hope you feel better. Migraines are horrible.

{3:30 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogota: Migraines are hereditary and as my mother suffered too, they are even accompanied by vomiting.

{3:30 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Thank you love.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: In exchange for this favor, when we finally meet, I will expect you to fall to your knees and start sucking before we ever exchange any words.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: This will be my love.

{3:32 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: I am serious, I will open the hotel door and if one word leaves your mouth before you drop to your knees and start sucking, I close the door on your face and send you home without taxi fare.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Your working girl will not disappoint you, I will do as I am told.

She did exactly that.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined,
Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel![/QUOTE]If you think you have it, get tested immediately. If you get a positive test result: wait exactly 14 days, then have doctor certify you recovered. Then, with the test result together with the doctor cert, you can travel without need to test for the next 90 days! For doc: Las Vegas Clinic in Poblado, Dr. Mauricio Alvarado. He specializes in covid. Walk in, $50 and he has you covered. Too many people talking out their ass on the forum. But, if you have it, thing to do is check into the best hotel you can afford for a week, one with proper infrastructure, room service and decent restaurant. Get some doloff. Even if its nothing but the fricking flu, with your immune system fighting covid, you are susceptible to picking up something else that can fuck you up. And face it, the casa rooms -- airless, fetid -- are full of virus. Don't think for a second the chicks don't have it. And if you think they'd tell you then you're a fool. Doctor Mauricio has some advice on that: no Colombian will tell you they have or had it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577347]Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.[/QUOTE]Ok. So I adjust my first words as "You SEEM to lecture on a topic. ".

You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". They are there, because of what I tried to explain. They do not write as "Being vaccinated does not stop you from spreading the virus" or "Being vaccinated stops you from spreading the virus". They write as "Being vaccinated MAY stop you from contracting or spreading the virus. ", where "may" means "it's possible".

The short story is that there is evidence that vaccines protect also from contracting, to some extent, but to what extent it is still not known. Most likely, to a lower degree than from falling sick, but there is some protection.

The reason why I am persistent in this is that we read too often the bullshit "If I don't get vaxxed it's my problem if I get sick, others should not tell me what to do, because however vaxxed or not I still spread the virus around, and for them it is the same". NO, it is NOT the same.

The truth is that not all infectious diseases behave the same. Therefore, only empirical evidence will help to understand.

It's more about traffic than distance in my opinion. In the middle of the night the trip takes 15 to 20 minutes. I can take twice that long during rush hour. Savvy drivers cut through Little Caracas up the hill from San Diego to avoid the backups on La Oriental.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577299]Parque Lleras is in Poblado. From Parque Lleras to El Centro is about 5 miles. From the south end of Poblado add about 4 more miles.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway.
I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.


Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2577363]That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.[/QUOTE]Very well put GH! I was maybe a little crude but your words will hopefully be taken since you put it a non confrontation way. Next time I'll count to 10 like I was told in my 1 on 1 anger management that made sense but I never do so. Hard to teach an old dog.

I hope Slap Shot doesn't get any sicker and doesn't spread the Virus to anyone.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577361]
You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". .[/QUOTE]Like many other discussions, people generalize a specific scenario. Vaccine being not 100%, people can generalize the imperfection. The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection. There are plenty of research on these. You need to make your point from the imperfection, then people can't generalize the specific against your point unless it is false.

I suspected as much. I hope you reconsider your vaccination posture.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577212]The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature. This is one of the reasons why so many girls flake or show up 2 hours late. They set up to meet you at 8 pm, but they know that mom won't be home to watch the kids until 9, so they tell you yes and make excuses for 2 hours because it's easier than saying "no, I can't be there until 10.".[/QUOTE]So true what you have brought up about Colombians not wanting to say no. They don't like conflict and are not direct as you have mentioned, and I find it maddening at times.

[QUOTE=CapYandel;2577218]Hey guys,

After getting robbed by cops recently in Mexico, I wanted to ask if it's common in Colombia for cops to use street walkers as "bait" to try to squeeze some dollars out of you. This is very common in Mexico.[/QUOTE]I have heard of stings using underage streetwalkers where basically you have to pay your way out of it. I have not experienced that personally. That is why you ask to see her ID if you think the girl is young, but even that is not fool proof because in a sting she can use two different ID's. The "yellow shirts" or the cops who ride bicycles had a bad rep a couple of years ago on Avenida 70 for stopping you and emptying your wallet, but that seems to have died down. That happened to a couple of my Gringo acquaintances.

You will read here, don't carry more money than you are willing to lose in a robbery. I always change that to, carry at least enough money so you can pay off the policia without having to take a trip to the station. 300 mil COP will usually suffice, of course it depends on the situation. You don't have to say anything, just hand them your wallet, they will liberate the money themselves, jaja.

Gratuitous fotos.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2577371]The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.