Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1980430]Not sure of your definition of poor, but I was in the US Navy and I would beg to differ. 9 out of 10 of the first generation Pinay that I banged on US soil were married. And half of them would partake even if the husband was not away. A Pinay that I used to mess with in Thailand a couple of years ago? Married with everything she could possibly want. Nice house with a pool, SUV, 2 kids, stove outside to cook her stinky Filipino food, a daily maid even though she didn't work. There are good ones but from my experience they are few and far between.[/QUOTE]I think you may have been sleeping during critical lectures in the research design course in your MBA program. You are introducing a sampling error into the middle of MWB's proposed relationship between poor Pinays and relationship fidelity with their Western hubbies. Military life is hard on relationships, and even those sailors whose wives you shagged while hubby was stationed at home, may already have had their marriages destabilized because of previous deployments and reassignments. In other words, MWB is talking about mostly non-military relationships, and you are referring primarily to a more narrow population of high-risk marriages. Also, MWB was careful to claim only that an "overwhelming majority" of poor Pinays are loyal to decent men who rescue them from their plight in Filipino poverty.

Now it's time for Chocha Monger, who usually makes claims in absolutes, to remind us that all Pinays are inherently dishonest, disloyal, and untruthful and all Western men who marry them are inherently gullible.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1980894]In other words, MWB is talking about mostly non-military relationships, and you are referring primarily to a more narrow population of high-risk marriages. Also, MWB was careful to claim only that an "overwhelming majority" of poor Pinays are loyal to decent men who rescue them from their plight in Filipino poverty.
[/QUOTE]Military is just a job. I do not see being married in the military as a high-risk relationship. I can only think of a couple of my friends that are not still with the same wife they had 20 years ago. (Now that I think about it, it is all the people who were not in the military that broke up!) All of these marriages are American with American though. I don't have any old military friends who are married with foreigners.

Also we are on the outside looking in. Who are we to say whether the guy that the poor Filipina married is decent or not? I enjoy watching the show 90-Day Fiance where you can see the girls' dreams or expectations did not line up with real life once she arrived in the USA.

Of all the Pinay chicks that I have been with who had husbands, I have no idea of their background or their financial situation before they were married. I also have no idea of whether their husbands were decent or not. The one that I had in Thailand husband I did meet and he seemed like a decent enough guy. But who knows of the situation when they were alone. Mostly we only know what they tell us. Hell the poor Filipina could have been kicking the guy's ass behind closed doors and later playing the victim.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1980430]9 out of 10 of the first generation Pinay that I banged on US soil were married. [/QUOTE]Nobody living legally in the US is at risk of Philippines-level poverty, even assuming their husbands were all model spouses.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1981021]Nobody living legally in the US is at risk of Philippines-level poverty, even assuming their husbands were all model spouses.[/QUOTE]I am speaking of the people in those days who would be stationed in Subic and Angeles and would bring a wife back with them. So more than likely the girl was in poverty before she met the husband and had they divorced and went back to PI they would be back to poverty. This was late 80s and early 90s. All you saw on military bases in California was chicks who had come from Philippines.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1981036]I am speaking of the people in those days who would be stationed in Subic and Angeles and would bring a wife back with them. So more than likely the girl was in poverty before she met the husband and had they divorced and went back to PI they would be back to poverty. This was late 80s and early 90s. All you saw on military bases in California was chicks who had come from Philippines.[/QUOTE]I am trying to understand.

1. Are you saying you were banging your military brother's Pinay wives?

2. And from those banging experiences in the late 80's and early 90's you are using to judge today's Pinays?

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1981680]And wouldn't it be embarrassing if you had to report that you were one of the few chaps to come to Manila and not get laid.[/QUOTE]Thank you Mr Fan for making me laugh out my breakfast drink this morning.

Is there any country in the world where an ordinary guy can more easily and surely exchange his time or money to get his needs met? I've not found it in the couple dozen or so countries I've visited in my time, but some on this forum are true globetrotters. This is a serious question, and I'm only considering normal cities and towns, not places specifically set aside as red light districts.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1981083]1. Are you saying you were banging your military brother's Pinay wives?

2. And from those banging experiences in the late 80's and early 90's you are using to judge today's Pinays?[/QUOTE]That's how I understand this, DG. So, in terms of sampling error: 1) he assumes that Pinay military wives are like all Pinays; 2) he assumes Pinays from the late 80's and early 90's are the same as today's Pinays; and 3) he fucked 10 different Pinay military wives but doesn't think he had a reputation that preceded him, which in turn probably created distinctly different groups of Pinay military wives: one group that avoided him like the plague, and another that knew he was eager to play. And from these sampling distortions he knows the predilictions of all Pinays. As you and MWB alluded in earlier posts, the role of the men in these situations has a significant effect on the trajectory of the relationships. But in this forum we usually disassemble the womens' actions rather than our own.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1981083]I am trying to understand.

1. Are you saying you were banging your military brother's Pinay wives?[/QUOTE]Military brothers? The military is just a job like every other. Just because I work at the same company as someone I do not consider them my brother. And yes. It was widely know how loose Filipina women were. Anyone in the US military can tell you that. And you need to realize that most chicks would not tell you outright that they were married until after you were fucking them. For instance one chick took me to her house one night. I thought it strange she had a Nintendo. She must really like beer seeing the icebox is stocked with it. Wait. Whose big ass shoes are these? Oh. My husband is a Marine Drill Instructor.

Only 2 chicks that I knew from the beginning were married. One I met at the base club in Jacksonville. She told me at the start her husband was away on the Saratoga. She used to cook and bring me food everyday. Another was a girl in San Diego that damn near the entire base was screwing. I remember being at her place one afternoon watching TV when her husband came home from work. He greeted me then walked right upstairs.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1981083]2. And from those banging experiences in the late 80's and early 90's you are using to judge today's Pinays?[/QUOTE]Well I also gave an example of a Pinay in Thailand from 2 years ago whose husband is from Europe and owns a profitable company and certainly has way more money thay my ass. That has nothing to do with the military.

Along with all the stories you read on ISG and other websites of the doings of people's Filipina wives/girlfriends/significant others, one would think it was not so far fetched that a Pinay from a poor economic background would not be monogamous in oposition to what MWB hypothesized. I am not saying it is impossible to find one, but I am saying that the stereotype fits my experience.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1981790]Thank you Mr Fan for making me laugh out my breakfast drink this morning.

Is there any country in the world where an ordinary guy can more easily and surely exchange his time or money to get his needs met? I've not found it in the couple dozen or so countries I've visited in my time, but some on this forum are true globetrotters. This is a serious question, and I'm only considering normal cities and towns, not places specifically set aside as red light districts.[/QUOTE]I'll admit I am relatively new to the game, but have been wondering and watching for many years, and tracking the goings on 'from afar'. I am also a significant traveler, clocking in the order of 300,000 km per year average, and just passed my 120th country visited.

No, there really is not another country where it is so easy, so open, so accepted. Not even close!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1981036]likely the girl was in poverty before she met the husband and had they divorced and went back to PI they would be back to poverty. This was late 80s and early 90s. All you saw on military bases in California was chicks who had come from Philippines.[/QUOTE]More than likely the military enlistee was in poverty and / or from a dead end background before joining the military. Filipinas on military bases in the USA says more about the Americans who got them there than it does about the women.

Military just a job? No, it's a total institution that affects for life everyone who experienced it. No one's the same after being in the military. If you failed to realize that, you're not credible.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1982145]
Military just a job? No, it's a total institution that affects for life everyone who experienced it. No one's the same after being in the military. If you failed to realize that, you're not credible.[/QUOTE]In Angeles there are still a few strong military links. The VFW Post & Australia RSL are active.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1982145] Filipinas on military bases in the USA says more about the Americans who got them there than it does about the women.[/QUOTE]What does it say? I have RTFF and my question doesn't seem to be covered. Pray tell what does it say?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1982145]Military just a job? No, it's a total institution that affects for life everyone who experienced it. No one's the same after being in the military. If you failed to realize that, you're not credible.[/QUOTE]Please fill me in on how the military should have affected me for life. I failed to realize it. But I am sure that with your expert help my experience can be turned around and put on the right path so that I can be credible.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1982411]Please fill me in on how the military should have affected me for life. I failed to realize it. But I am sure that with your expert help my experience can be turned around and put on the right path so that I can be credible.[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt he or anyone else short of General MacArthur could enlighten you about military brotherhood or band of brothers. I do have to say this was the first time I have ever heard "it was just a job" about the military.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1982430]I seriously doubt he or anyone else short of General MacArthur could enlighten you about military brotherhood or band of brothers. I do have to say this was the first time I have ever heard "it was just a job" about the military.[/QUOTE]What did you think the military is? It is a big company. You take a test to get in and the score tells you which JOBs you qualify for and you pick from those based on the needs of your branch. (And yes there are people who score low enough that they are not accepted.) In the US, each branch has its own cut off score.

There are cooks, photographers, painters, secretaries, policemen, data processors, construction workers, accountants, electricians, mechanics, preachers, musicians, lawyers, doctors, nuclear engineers, etc. You go in to work at a certain time and you get off at a certain time. To top it off it is a pretty shitty paying job at that. There is a reason that most people do not stay past their first contract.

I was both enlisted and officer. Most of my friends are commanders and captains now with one being promoted to rear admiral at the end of last year. I went into a scholarship program so that I would have my university paid for. Anyone in the Navy knows that it means Never Again Volunteer Yourself. Did you have some type of glorified meaning of what it is to be in the military?