Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Thanks. This was a very interesting, thorough and analytic report- the verbiage was similar to the deliverables from a professional consultancy firm. I wonder what your career is.

My question is: why- given all the trouble with online methodologies- do you revert to them? There is a way to avoid flaking and catfishing- pull from Lleras, Gustos, Fase Dose, the Casa's, etc. The girls are there- observable and available to interact. You know what you are going to get physically and in terms of service.

In a way this is a general question to all the Medellin lovers as well. I don't really see how this scene can be considered superlative when so much of it is based on bird-dogging insta, tinder, SA, facebook etc, and setting yourself up for disappointment, flakery, catfishing, etc. That seems like all I've been reading about here lately. Bottom line- too much time and mental energy is wasted in the procurement process. And as you say- flaking is not simply a cultural feature- it's just blatant disrespect. I cannot engage in transactions where my value is consistently dis-regarded.

Earlier this summer I was in Brazil, and have previously traveled extensively in SEA. After experiencing all three of these regions, my feeling is Colombia / Caribbean is the weakest generally- and especially for mongers who do not have the time to deal with the aforementioned BS of chasing girls online and just sitting hopelessly at home as they fail to show or otherwise flake. In a terma in Brazil, you go there, select a girl and fuck. In soi 6 in Pattaya- the girls is there, you select her, and fuck. In bars in Angeles City- you go- select a girl- bring her back, fuck. None of these options involve pacing back and forth in your room like some hopeless chump-hoping that she will actually show.[/QUOTE]You will never find me waiting for any female espec not some 3rd world puta.

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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2583393]I'm going to disagree, slightly.

My advice is to find the environment which suits you, rather than chasing everywhere looking for the gem someone else found. Whether your ideal environment is Gusto or Raudal, if you put in the time, you'll find what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]Agree for the most part. Ever monger rolls differently and the beauty of MDE is it's quite versatile.

The Centro debate will never rest. It's been going on since I've ever been on this board and I suspect it will keep rumbling along. What I can say is that the best way to settle it for yourself is to go and actually see it for yourself. Walking tours happen daily and all sorts of tourists do them during the day, if you are scared just go on one of those, you will get a flavor for it just walking around and see a few of the available chicas around the church and botero plaza area. I went once and all I saw were 3-6's. But the intrigue of the place meant that one day as I was returning from Parque arvi I decided to give it one more spin, I was alone and covered the real estate discussed here a couple of times. I actually saw a doable chica or two but to me the mix of factors was not worth it for the relative paucity of talent. But if I was a cost conscious Monger that would be where I would hunt for my treasure. Gustos same thing, done it once and decided meh, not my cup of tea. Again I found myself in agreement with the folks that said mostly dolled up 6-7's looking like 8-9's after a couple of beers (but that was just my conclusion). In fact it doesn't even get going till like 10-11 pm so you better be up to rolling past midnight at the very least. As I get older, my sleep is worth more than that for me. So maybe I am just a lazy monger. LOL. Facebook seems to be where I found the happy medium. There are issues there too, the flakes, the fakes, the promise the world and then not deliver in the room, the lack of chemistry (either side) and on and on discussed here are real, but I think over time, you find the ones that work for you. You may need to screen and cycle 3-4 for every keeper but once you've got your keeper it's great for you as well as them. I considered booking the mansion this time as it was available up to 2wks before my trip, but in the end decided I don't want potential Covid exposure to dozens of other likely maskless people, so passed.
I tried SA this time, and found it to be somewhat of a waste of time. Some have ridiculous expectations, some are very photoshopped, some flake big time, some are new to this and super timid, and frankly a waste of time if you are a short time visitor, and on and on. That said if I lucked out and found my gem, I may have been singing a different tune.

I have 2 comments on the casa scene. I went to Loutron last time, just to say I did it. The chicas are better quality than any other casa. But TBH I only saw 2 chicas I really wanted to do, and they were always in rotation, and I had to wait my turn, they may have been fucking 8-10 dudes a day. Also the sex is somewhat detached and limited with full condom for BJ even, no kissing, and many limitations. That is a bone killer for me. Chicapaisas I went to this trip and they wanted a 20 mil fee if I didn't pick any of the 3 chicas line up, which was total BS, I texted and told them I was interested in one of their girls but since they obscure faces, I would confirm once I got there. Well If I didn't get there 30 mins later, text them from the front door and get told one chica (not the one I wanted) is available, when I texted enquiring why she said 3 were, usual BS about they are busy. Fuck that, it's basically shitty customer service and just based on your fucking luck. Not impressed. They texted me later saying all available 2 hrs later but I would not go back there.
I walked around the area a bit (a middle class laureles neighbourhood) and found a family owned restaurant and ordered me a nice Colombian meal. 20 mil including tip and at least partially salvaged my outing. Historically I have preferred the laureles casas, as even though priced at a premium more like 100-160 mil range, I have felt the quality of chicas and facilities to be more to my liking. I also think there are many UTR ones that advertise on local boards and PP that don't get discussed here if there are any adventurous mongerers.

I am taking it sort of slow this trip, because I have a couple of chicas keeping me busy, one my fave comes every other night. I have ended up sampling newly 3 off of FB and 1 off SA this trip. I usually go with other monger referred FB chicas, which is interesting because, what one delivered for the monger who told me about her, she didn't even go 1/2 way on with me. She then said she does this once a week at most, and funny enough we cross paths in the lobby the very next day. Jajaja. Another one came, delivered a rock star experience, certainly exceeded my expectations, and left seemingly all happy and saying she will send me 2 chica referrals and then has stopped responding. Who the hell knows with them.
Other than chicas, I enjoy walking in the weather, the natural juices, rappi is a dream, all the services in Rio sur are nice, worked out a few times. Read quite a bit and will be watching a bit of olympics. A decent trip so far to get away after a 1.5yr hiatus.

I have 4 more days left and my biggest worry right now is just hoping my damn Covid test is neg. this weekend. I have had zero symptoms but all this talk of asymptomatic breakthrough infections is shitty and a disruptive scenario no one wants to deal with.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583420]I can't speak for many but I think the proximity to the USA is a big draw, beyond that I won't speculate.[/QUOTE]I think that's a huge part of it.

It takes 26 hours or so to get to Bangkok from the East Coast of the US, and most flights to Rio / Sao Paolo are going to be painful red-eyes that leave you exhausted for a day or so after. A 3 hour hop from Miami is no big deal.

Youtube:

There are many youtubers that make content about living the good life as a man in Colombia (and the DR) and people tend to follow the herd. For whatever reason most of these channels seem to cater to Black American men (BlackMan Travels, Barber TV World, TaylorMade Dreams, Mr Flipflop, Czech in Effect, Young Waz). There's useful content and the creators are chill dudes so I watch them nonetheless even if I'm not the target audience. A couple of the same type guys make content about Brazil but its much less. Youtubers in Philippines don't focus on mongering or the hobby per se, and are more geared towards retirees- and Thailand youtubers also seem a bit older and cater to a British audience and the obnoxious and much reviled Digital Nomad / Backpacker set.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2583418]I would like to keep MDE under the radar, if it was up to me and deflect Gringos elsewhere. So please, go ahead, tell everyone they can do better than MDE. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]Too late for that wishful thinking, Lol.

P.S, I was saying the same thing 20 years ago, when there were military checkpoints coming down the hill from Rio Negro.

Also, Brazil is by far my favorite, however, Colombia continually draws me back.

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583423]I was also assume the ones that said in a relationship, married etc is not available, but the girl I pull from Parque Lleras added me on facebook, and it said married and their are tons of picture of her and who I assume is her husband.[/QUOTE]It's very common in Latin America for the boyfriend / husband to pimp their girlfriend / wife out to gringos for $$.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583420]IMO it is, will I return to Colombia? Maybe? I just cancelled my flight for next week due to some important work and family issues.

I liked MDE but when I was there I was looking around thinking, this really doesn't seem like the same place I read about.

When other places open up, I can't wait to visit them.

When I read posts I try to filter them for sweet lemons / sour grapes bias.

I can't speak for many but I think the proximity to the USA is a big draw, beyond that I won't speculate.

I found the weather in MDE to be very overrated, the city as well, it is such a small city, I seriously doubt I could ever spend more than a week or 2 there.

Nevermind living there.

I need 10 20 30 or even 40 million people not tiny ass MDE.[/QUOTE]I did not like it at all. Yes, over hyped. To me Mexico is a much better option.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2582914]Common sense is suddenly a requirement for prostitution? That's going to change everything!

If all those hookers are now using common sense, expect the cheapest ones to start charging at least $100 for a quickie...[/QUOTE]Lots of common sense here. I knew you could do it! *smile*.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Perhaps someone with experience in multiple regions like me can chime in as to what makes Medellin / Colombia so special given the above considerations. Personally I don't see it and will be only returning if other options are unavailable.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to throw my two cents in about this topic. I have personal been to Thailand, Hong Kong, Macau, Philippine, Indonesia and Colombia. They are all unique in their own way.

I think Colombia's biggest draw compare to all these other countries for me are.

1) distant travel, 5 hour flight and 20+ hour flight makes a huge different. One I can play a 3 to 5 days trip easy, the other I don't want to go unless I have 2+ weeks and the long flight takes a lot of out you.

2) Weather in Medellin are great, at least compare to all these other countries, which I avoid in the summer time and then their are the monsoon season.

3) I think the biggest draw is that the amount of options in Medellin. I am reading the forum and seeing how some claim they are casa only, some are only going to high end clubs, while others go to centro and some said they are tinder and facebook only, but I don't think their are many other countries which have an many choices. Thailand and Philippine are mainly GoGo with some freelancer, Indonesia and Macau are almost all spa, although they have different types of spar. That is very appealing because I feel like everything has their type and what I think its pretty is very different from what other think. I still remember about 10 years ago, when I first visited Thailand. I walk into this gogo bar with my friend. Two guys there just throwing money at what I consider the two ugliest girl in the bar and I just sit down with my beer complete stun. There was probably like 30 girls in that bar. These two guys were stuck to those girls and they had the biggest grin on their face.

Obviously Medellin will have his problems too, the main one for me is the lack of English even at the most touristy spot. I have never felt like I couldn't survive without google translate in any other country. More then half of the restaurant in EL Poblado didn't have a English menu and this was the first time I have seen how flaky girls can get. Obviously girls are always late, regardless of where you are, but they don't usually just disappear when you have a meeting time.

Side note, If any one would like to share some contacts in Medellin, it would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583410]It was a huge problem in Cartagena, crazy amount of vendor who tries to grub me. It was much better in Medellin, there are still vendor but I haven't had anyone who followed me for a few blocks. Its usually ask twice then walk away.[/QUOTE]My worst experience for being dogged by vendors was in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, also known as Saigon. I swear to gawd they would even call other vendors on the street ahead of me and give them advance notice. They would say shite like, "You bought from her, why you no buy from me? Unbelievable. As always, stay respectful, keep your cool, don't do anything that makes them lose face. Much the same as the hawkers on the street in Medellin, if you give them a nod or a friendly smile, it goes a long way. Don't give them dirty looks. Don't be an Ugly American. For the restaurant ones, memorize, "Acabo de comer" or "I just ate" and pat your stomach, and they will give you back a genuine smile of acknowledgement and then leave you alone. You should realize, if you look and are dressed like a Gringo, and especially if you have a girl with you, the street hawkers will see you coming before you see them. You are USDA Prime Choice.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Perhaps someone with experience in multiple regions like me can chime in as to what makes Medellin / Colombia so special given the above considerations.[/QUOTE]Girls are younger, cheaper and you can get everything else delivered which is not easy to do in most other places.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Thanks. This was a very interesting, thorough and analytic report- the verbiage was similar to the deliverables from a professional consultancy firm. I wonder what your career is.

Perhaps someone with experience in multiple regions like me can chime in as to what makes Medellin / Colombia so special given the above considerations. Personally I don't see it and will be only returning if other options are unavailable.[/QUOTE]Sure, ease of getting there. I have a couple destinations I like better than MDE, but the trip is a hassle. It counts for a lot to be able to leave the US in the morning and arrive to your destination with a few hours of sunlight left in the day. Plus Spanish is my only language.

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583423]One of the things I am still confuse about facebook is which one of the girls to approach.[/QUOTE]If a girl has gringo friends then it is likely she is available. Did you make a post on FB to indicate you are in Medellin after you arrived?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2583484]If a girl has gringo friends then it is likely she is available. Did you make a post on FB to indicate you are in Medellin after you arrived?[/QUOTE]That's an interesting idea. I did not make a post of FB, I was worry that too many people would bother me and I added a bunch of people on FB that I had no interest to go out with. Also lots of them has close friend list too, so no way to know if they have gringo friends.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2583457]Too late for that wishful thinking, Lol.

P.S, I was saying the same thing 20 years ago, when there were military checkpoints coming down the hill from Rio Negro.

Also, Brazil is by far my favorite, however, Colombia continually draws me back.[/QUOTE]You can keep Sao Paulo. But Rio. Accessible only by tunnel. Copa Cabana. Ipanema. The way the city is on those great beaches and backs right up to the mountains. I have not been there in ages, HELP was still open last time I was there.

But the draw for me is Medellin. Probably because I came here first for a girl.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2583314]Such quotes of 250-300 k were almost as common as those in the historic price range.

Even more frustrating was the notorious paisa flakiness. It is a long-standing problem that I saw before; I had learned to accept a certain modicum of flakiness, e. G. Arriving 15-20 minutes late, as "the nature of the beast. " On this trip the flakiness skyrocketed off the charts and was more egregious than I had ever seen. Less than half of the citas that I arranged actually occurred. They just blew me off without following up, or they failed to contact me to confirm or cancel within a window of time that I had specified. I used to think that this flakiness was a cultural feature or due to Third World logistical challenges, but now I recognize that it is just disrespect. This realization lowered my opinion of MDE.

For example, one girl that blew off our cita had the chutzpah to contact me a few days later to ask if I still wanted a cita. I told her that she was persona non grata due to her failure to cancel responsibly, as we had agreed. Another girl told me an obvious lie. She claimed that she had overslept and just woken up (as if that were a valid excuse! But I had seen on WhatsApp that she had read and ignored my earlier message when she was supposedly sleeping. Only one girl canceled responsibly, with many hours of advance notice more than what I had asked; she arrived on time for the rescheduled cita.[/QUOTE]You need to go back and read the forum posts. The girls are desperate, starving, and will take low offers to get money. Well that is from all the idiots out there. I had a girl claim the same BS when she had 2 new tattoos with that protective gel still on them. I stayed at a ST hotel with a big window for 3+ months. Saw a girl come to hotel with a guy. When she was done with him she visited me right after (not even leaving the building). Then 15 minutes later I am leaving and pass her and her new customer going up in the stairwell. These guys are stupid and believe the girls' lies or are having sex with ugly girls. I was there during the entire lockdown in Barranquilla and Medellin and the girls were flaky then too.

So funny you use the word "Flakiness" which most guys have repeated over and over again. Me too. I have countless examples. But Mr. Enternational in prior post has informed us that we are using the word incorrectly. Just warning you if he corrects you. HAHA!