Pattaya Reports

A serious question about tourism in Pattaya -- other than the primary aspect this thread generally focuses on: What is there to do in Pattaya?

With references to the beaches, I have read a lot of reports that the beaches are not that nice, and the water in the bay is dirty (really not suitable for swimming). If a beach day or water sport is of interest, a day trip outside of town is more suitable.

As for tourist sites, there I've seen mention of the "Big Budda", the "Sanctuary of Truth", (etc) -- but these are more modern constructs vs antiquity.

I hope that a frequent visitor can provide some of the serious feedback I am seeking.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Qeast;2477953]...

As for tourist sites, there I've seen mention of the "Big Budda", the "Sanctuary of Truth", (etc) -- but these are more modern constructs vs antiquity.

I hope that a frequent visitor can provide some of the serious feedback I am seeking.

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]You might spend an afternoon and evening at Pattaya Floating Market out on Sukhumvit Road. It isn't a real floating market as one would go to buy general grocery items. It is more of a floating market type theme park. But not a bad way to spend a couple of family friendly hours with a date just to break up the usual bar runs. Boat rides, zip line atraction, food, drink and shopping, lots of photo op areas the girls usual like.

Seems to me it used to be open into the night but now I see online that it closes at 6pm. Maybe not nearly enough new people (tourists) these days to keep it open longer.

Not far from there on the other side of Sukhumvit Road is an elephant ride attraction if you or your date is into it.

[QUOTE=Qeast;2477953]A serious question about tourism in Pattaya -- other than the primary aspect this thread generally focuses on: What is there to do in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Not a whole heck of a lot which is why I can't see how Pattaya will survive without the sex industry. Out of all the tourist things the only one that impressed me was Sanctuary of Truth. Sure there are a couple of half decent shopping malls and markets but I don't know many people who will fly half way around the world for that. It was good there weren't many other things to do in Pattaya as that would only make them a distraction from the bars and girls. My usual day didn't start until 4 pm hitting Soi 6 or a G club, then gogo bars from 7:30 pm, then out to the Thai bars with some gogo girls at 3 am. No time to do anything else really.

[QUOTE=Qeast;2477953]A serious question about tourism in Pattaya -- other than the primary aspect this thread generally focuses on: What is there to do in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Contrary to others, to me there is a lot of things to do in Pattaya. These hundreds of double decker tour buses are not hauling old ass Chinese people around for them to go to bars. Before I travel I always look on Trip Advisor under things to do to see what there is to do in a place. [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g293919-Activities-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html[/URL].

You have water parks, markets, Silver Lake Vineyards, Tiger Zoo in Sri Racha, Coral Island, ladyboy show, tons of great restaurants, badminton. Whenever my friends or family members come here I always run out of time showing them around (and I am not talking about bars.) Shocker: I have never even been to the Santuary of Truth. And that is #1 on Trip Advisor list. I guess I have been cheating my visitors all these years.

[QUOTE=Qeast;2477953] With references to the beaches, I have read a lot of reports that the beaches are not that nice, and the water in the bay is dirty (really not suitable for swimming). If a beach day or water sport is of interest, a day trip outside of town is more suitable.[/QUOTE]For the good beaches you want to either take the boat 45 minutes (30 baht) and go to Coral Island (there are 5 beaches there) or drive to the Navy base in Sattahip. Many people like to spend a night on the island with a chick, but I prefer to come back at 5 pm on the next to last boat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2478132]Contrary to others, to me there is a lot of things to do in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]I forgot to mention the loads of fun we had racing go karts the other week ago.

[QUOTE=Ncc1701A;2477039]There was talk about some sort of new development in the Avenue which would mimic Nana Plaza and provide some sort of competition to WS and LK. Original plan was for it to starting in April 2020. I have this funny feeling that may no longer be quite on the cards anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was supposedly scheduled to open April first. There was no construction started before Covid. I think it was someone's poor attempt.

At an April Fools joke.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2478156]I forgot to mention the loads of fun we had racing go karts the other week ago.[/QUOTE]To me activities in Pattaya are very limited. Without agogo no reason to be there.

YMMV.

Wake up and have a message from a chick that has her own salon. I have been trying to get with her for 1000 LT but she always has excuses. The other day when I offered 700 ST she was willing to come, but I was busy. She wants to fuck today. I said I do not know if I will be horny today. Then she starts sending me nekkit pics. I say you must be the one that is horny today.

Then I thought, wait a damn minute. Today is the 5th. Don't know why they always wait until the last minute to realize they need rent money. And when I called her out on it she just laughed and said I knew too much.

P.S. And why do they always unsend the pics like you have not already saved them as soon as they sent them?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2478778]To me activities in Pattaya are very limited. Without agogo no reason to be there.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]If you think Pattaya is limited, you'd really dislike Angeles City.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2481047]If you think Pattaya is limited, you'd really dislike Angeles City.[/QUOTE]Well Pattaya is very limited. Yes maybe. But I live there for 10 years, even if Pattaya is limited, even if I feel boring sometimes, I never feel boring to fuck sexy ladies everyday! I think I fuck BBFS maybe 60% of the girls in Soi 6/7/8 and Soi LK. I'm very nice guy with them, and when I don't find a new sexy lady, usually I call another girl I met in past by Line or Messenger or Whasapp and they always come back to me! And most of the time they call me when they don't work or when they need money! Sometimes they say me they didn't work and want I fuck them!

Last time a sexy working girl called me at 1 am from Soi 6 and told me she didn't get any customer! And I told her she can come my condo and I'll give her 1000 like always.

And it was a great night because 30 min after she called me again and asked me if she can come with her friend and drink with me and her because she loves my condo in Patt and my condo is big!

And I didn't know her girlfriend and she was fucking sexy, only 19 years old. And they arrived together I ask her if I can fuck them together bareback! And she told me OK but she wants more money and she had to pay her rent for her room.

And finally I fucked them together and I came inside their pussy! I paid 5000 for the 2 girls!

They slept with me all the night and wake up the next day very late.

I took my coffee alone the next day in morning around 10 am and they were still sleeping.

I went buy Thai food for them outside and when I came back 1 hour later they were still sleeping.

At 12 h they still wanted sleep. I decided to kiss again the nice 19 years old girl, I was fucking horny and I wanted to fuck her again and he friend was still sleeping in bed. I started to touch her little bit, to kiss her, and she told me "later darling, I want sleep! I told her I wanted fuck her because I was horny. And then I started lick her pussy and she liked that but she was still sleeping. But then I put my dick inside her in missionary and she let me fuck her and she was still sleeping. I just fucked her few minutes and came inside her pussy. She was OK! It was fucking great night!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481186]And then I started lick her pussy and she liked that but she was still sleeping. But then I put my dick inside her in missionary and she let me fuck her and she was still sleeping.[/QUOTE]Now that's what I call sleeping on the job.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481186] I think I fuck BBFS maybe 60% of the girls in Soi 6/7/8 and Soi LK. [/QUOTE]I thought it was 90% BBFS?

Which bars on Soi 7 and Soi 8 still have girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2481245]I thought it was 90% BBFS?

Which bars on Soi 7 and Soi 8 still have girls?[/QUOTE]Right now, not a lot! But Soi 6 and Soi LK still work.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481186]At 12 h they still wanted sleep. I decided to kiss again the nice 19 years old girl, I was fucking horny and I wanted to fuck her again and he friend was still sleeping in bed. I started to touch her little bit, to kiss her, and she told me "later darling, I want sleep! I told her I wanted fuck her because I was horny. And then I started lick her pussy and she liked that but she was still sleeping. But then I put my dick inside her in missionary and she let me fuck her and she was still sleeping. I just fucked her few minutes and came inside her pussy. She was OK! It was fucking great night![/QUOTE]I saw that video too.

I think the title was "I fucked my girlfriend's friend when she was sleeping" or something like that, great video, I loved it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2481245]I thought it was 90% BBFS?

Which bars on Soi 7 and Soi 8 still have girls?[/QUOTE]It sure was, 60% is a huge step down. I think that's a WG trying to get 2500 per session plus drinks, and lunch the next day while she has her way with the condo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2481245]I thought it was 90% BBFS?

Which bars on Soi 7 and Soi 8 still have girls?[/QUOTE]How do you misread this? He only fucked 60% of the girls but he fucked them all BBFS. Of course we all know he's full of shit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2481245]I thought it was 90% BBFS?already

Which bars on Soi 7 and Soi 8 still have girls?[/QUOTE]He is saying that so far he has had BBFS with 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK. Still 40% to go.

I’m impressed!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2481313]He is saying that so far he has had BBFS with 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK. Still 40% to go.

Im impressed![/QUOTE]I doubt anybody could, or more importantly, would want to, fuck 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK. Perhaps he wasn't clear enough and he really meant that 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK that he has fucked he fucked BBFS.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2481368]I doubt anybody could, or more importantly, would want to, fuck 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK. Perhaps he wasn't clear enough and he really meant that 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK that he has fucked he fucked BBFS.[/QUOTE]What I mean is I always but bareback. I don't like condoms and I'm very careful of the girls I choose. And what I want to say is the that 90% of the girls I fuck let me fuck them bareback! Most of them don't care or just ask more money. And now, after 10 years in Pattaya, I mean I think I fucked bareback about 60% of all the girls who work in Soi 6/7/8 Soi LK. In every bar there are some girls I fuck bareback.

Dear friends,

I'm new here but old monkey in bitching. I want to be supportive and contribute to what people ask me about Brazil.

For now, I need to know: is 1000 baht enough to fuck a beautiful lady?

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481401]What I mean is I always but bareback. I don't like condoms and I'm very careful of the girls I choose. And what I want to say is the that 90% of the girls I fuck let me fuck them bareback! Most of them don't care or just ask more money. And now, after 10 years in Pattaya, I mean I think I fucked bareback about 60% of all the girls who work in Soi 6/7/8 Soi LK. In every bar there are some girls I fuck bareback.[/QUOTE]Really, prostitutes in general fuck without latex.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw28;2481443]For now, I need to know: is 1000 baht enough to fuck a beautiful lady?[/QUOTE]

Sure you can scour Beach Road for freelancers or go to a BJ bar like Bar La Poste or Telephone Booth and get everything for 1000 baht including your drink and barfine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But if you splurge and are willing to spend 1300 to 1400 baht including barfine total you can find many more girls at numerous BJ bars, G Clubs, over 1000 bar beers, Thai Friendly, freelancers, discos like Red Car, 808, and Marine, over 1000 massage places, Soi 6, etc. I know you won't be able to eat by spending the extra 300 or 400 baht but food is so overrated.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481401]I'm very careful of the girls I choose. And what I want to say is the that 90% of the girls I fuck let me fuck them bareback! [/QUOTE]If you are "very careful" and have made arrangements with the girl that she indeed does BBFS then your number should be 100%, not 90%. 90% is a very poor batting average for being "very careful" imo.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2481368]I doubt anybody could, or more importantly, would want to, fuck 60% of the girls on Soi 6, 7, 8, and LK. [/QUOTE]

Soi 7 and Soi 8 have basically been ladyboy bars for about 3 years now. Maybe I'm wrong since I no longer walk through Soi 7 and 8. Maybe Gilolo can help us out by naming the Soi 7 and Soi 8 bars that even had girls pre-COVID so I know which bars to go to when I return.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481401]What I mean is I always but bareback. I don't like condoms and I'm very careful of the girls I choose. And what I want to say is the that 90% of the girls I fuck let me fuck them bareback! Most of them don't care or just ask more money. And now, after 10 years in Pattaya, I mean I think I fucked bareback about 60% of all the girls who work in Soi 6/7/8 Soi LK. In every bar there are some girls I fuck bareback.[/QUOTE]I am an European, 55 years old man in good shape. Before Covid, I was visiting Thailand for business 2 - 3 times a year. Every day I was used to take a new nice, young girl from gogos, Thaifriendly etc. In Bangkok and in Pattaya. Just to check how much they were worrying about their health, many times I offered them some extra-money (up to 3000 baht) for bareback fucking and / or creampie. Well, during 5 - 6 years, the answer had only been "No way! So, I am a bit surprised that you can get this service so easily and frequently.

[QUOTE=Freddy65;2481688]Just to check how much they were worrying about their health, many times I offered them some extra-money (up to 3000 baht) for bareback fucking and / or creampie. Well, during 5 - 6 years, the answer had only been "No way! So, I am a bit surprised that you can get this service so easily and frequently.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately you are not checking anything with your extra money offers. My experience is the same as his (definitely at least 90%) and I pay 500 to 700 ST and 1000 LT, no extra, and I am not even actively seeking that; I am just going with the flow. Other posters state that they pay extra the same as you and get the desired results.

Sometimes instead of asking, just walk in like you own the place (or the pussy in this case) and see what happens. Like if the speed limit is posted as 55 you go into the police station and ask the chief if it would be alright for you to go 60 or 65. More than likely he is going to tell you the same "No Way" that those chicks have been telling you. But if you didn't ask and just did 60 or 65 anyway, then you would probably get away with it unless it was in a school zone. Some things are better left unplanned.

[QUOTE=Freddy65;2481688]I am an European, 55 years old man in good shape. Before Covid, I was visiting Thailand for business 2 - 3 times a year. Every day I was used to take a new nice, young girl from gogos, Thaifriendly etc. In Bangkok and in Pattaya. Just to check how much they were worrying about their health, many times I offered them some extra-money (up to 3000 baht) for bareback fucking and / or creampie. Well, during 5 - 6 years, the answer had only been "No way! So, I am a bit surprised that you can get this service so easily and frequently.[/QUOTE]Just curious. What would you have done if they said Yes?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2481739]Unfortunately you are not checking anything with your extra money offers. My experience is the same as his (definitely at least 90%) and I pay 500 to 700 ST and 1000 LT, no extra, and I am not even actively seeking that; I am just going with the flow. Other posters state that they pay extra the same as you and get the desired results.

Sometimes instead of asking, just walk in like you own the place (or the pussy in this case) and see what happens. Like if the speed limit is posted as 55 you go into the police station and ask the chief if it would be alright for you to go 60 or 65. More than likely he is going to tell you the same "No Way" that those chicks have been telling you. But if you didn't ask and just did 60 or 65 anyway, then you would probably get away with it unless it was in a school zone. Some things are better left unplanned.[/QUOTE]If I got pulled over and ticketed 10% of the times I drove over 60-65 MPH, not only would my traffic fine and insurance costs be sky high but it would put such a damper on my driving experience I might just put the keys away and ride the bus. Checking my speed every few seconds just so I don't get my tenth ticket in so many months? Ugh.

And, bear in mind, for some of us we don't just get inconvenienced by getting pulled over and then we're allowed to proceed but at a slower speed. Our keys are confiscated and the car towed away, no more driving for so much as an inch further from right here where we got pulled over. Lol. If you get my drift in this analogy. Now, factor in that this event can occur closer to 20% of the times you exceed 60-65MPH.

It isn't as though I have to walk into a police station and ask someone else if I can exceed 60-65 MPH without any unpleasant surprises. I don't have to go anywhere. The ultimate arbiter is sitting right there next to me in the bar. Pretty easy to do. And many of them say, "Sure. Here's a pass receipt to go as fast as you damn well please. Don't even bother looking at the speedometer tonight."

For me, that makes for a much more pleasant driving experience for the rest of the night. Asking or requesting it isn't that big a deal. Worst case generally is this one says No, maybe another one, then the next 3 in a row say Yes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2481800]Just curious. What would you have done if they said Yes?[/QUOTE]I would have refused. Two kinds of risk: getting HIV or other diseases and / or getting her pregnant (with some possible consequences). But I hate to finish in the condom, so most of the times I come in mouth and, with a little extra money, I make her gulp all my load.

[QUOTE=Freddy65;2481688]I am an European, 55 years old man in good shape. Before Covid, I was visiting Thailand for business 2 - 3 times a year. Every day I was used to take a new nice, young girl from gogos, Thaifriendly etc. In Bangkok and in Pattaya. Just to check how much they were worrying about their health, many times I offered them some extra-money (up to 3000 baht) for bareback fucking and / or creampie. Well, during 5 - 6 years, the answer had only been "No way! So, I am a bit surprised that you can get this service so easily and frequently.[/QUOTE]I think you had been banging a higher quality (physically and mentally) of girl compared to what the bare backers are shagging. Physically, I'm really speculating here but mentally is a certainty as you stated the girls explained that they were concerned about their health.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481879]I think you had been banging a higher quality (physically and mentally) of girl compared to what the bare backers are shagging. Physically, I'm really speculating here but mentally is a certainty as you stated the girls explained that they were concerned about their health.[/QUOTE]I can accept that someone could pull only from the very best lookers in a Thai bar or dating site and manage to get 100% "No" to BBFS+CIP from, say, 100 out of 100 sessions. It would be notable, but not impossible to believe.

Much easier to believe is that someone could gravitate toward pulling mostly from the marginally doable bottom half in those same bars or dating sites and count on easy sailing through "No discussion BBFS+CIP" sessions 90-100% of the time.

But how does one manage to pull only supposedly "mentally" stable Thai girls from bars and online with a 100% certainty that they will say "No" to BBFS+CIP at crunch time in the room for as much as an additional 3,000 baht?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw28;2481443]Dear friends,

I'm new here but old monkey in bitching. I want to be supportive and contribute to what people ask me about Brazil.

For now, I need to know: is 1000 baht enough to fuck a beautiful lady?[/QUOTE]Odd how a new contributor chooses a handle very similar to a regular contributor but uses a style of prose remarkably similar to another. Go figure. Will coincidences never cease?

[QUOTE=Freddy65;2481804]I would have refused.[/QUOTE]So what was the point. All you are going to do is tick someone off by offering a deal then going back on it if they accept. Like taking a basket full of shit to the register at Big C, then once they ring it all up you say you didn't want the stuff; you were just curious how much it all cost together.

My pal a Hi Level Asian just left Pattaya. Said the only girls available for sub 1,000 were Hella Ugly. Or Obese. Or needed major Dental work. Had multiple babies. Look like Yaba whites. Etc.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2481899]............But how does one manage to pull only supposedly "mentally" stable Thai girls from bars and online .............[/QUOTE]The same way one manages to pull the mentally unstable ones. If one selects only the highest quality one must be prepared to cover up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2481739]Unfortunately you are not checking anything with your extra money offers.....[/QUOTE]Yes he is. He's checking the Easy Mark box who'se immediate reaction to wanting better service is to pay (a lot) more. No surprise that the session provided is below par: she will now be able to request mega bucks to provide what he wants.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2482003]The same way one manages to pull the mentally unstable ones. If one selects only the highest quality one must be prepared to cover up.[/QUOTE]Over my two decades of experience with Thai working girls, I have found that the vast majority will provide bareback sex. Now, that might not be on the first encounter. But for regular customers that they have an established rapport and relationship with, most will provide if that's what you are looking for. And yes that includes the fat ones, the old ones, the better looking ones, or as you would refer to them the higher quality ones.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2482053]Over my two decades of experience with Thai working girls, I have found that the vast majority will provide bareback sex. Now, that might not be on the first encounter. But for regular customers that they have an established rapport and relationship with, most will provide if that's what you are looking for. And yes that includes the fat ones, the old ones, the better looking ones, or as you would refer to them the higher quality ones.[/QUOTE]This is my experience too.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2482003]The same way one manages to pull the mentally unstable ones. If one selects only the highest quality one must be prepared to cover up.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of working girls in Thailand have Thai BFs or at least Thai guys they are screwing. And you don't really think those Thai dudes are slipping on a bone bag before they are hitting it, do you? FFS, even most of the Palace "stars" are Isaan gals with surgeries, so many of them are supporting a "mangda. ".

The degreed office gals in BKK you'll meet in BKK will raw dog it first time as well. BB sex is extremely easy to get in LOS, from gals of all shapes, sizes, looks, and ages. And it always has been.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2481938]So what was the point. All you are going to do is tick someone off by offering a deal then going back on it if they accept. Like taking a basket full of shit to the register at Big C, then once they ring it all up you say you didn't want the stuff; you were just curious how much it all cost together.[/QUOTE]I had a slighty different take on Freddy's post.

As I understood it he wasn't actually negotiating unprotected sex but researching as in.

Do you do no condom?

No.

If I paid you more would you do?

No.

If she answered yes then he would know that some girls will if offered more money. Doesn't mean he actually offered more money. I am assuming lots of the girls he had this conversation with were girls he was spending paid time with.

He mentioned that he was getting laid on a daily basis so I feel he wasn't here to piss off the girls and was just sharing his experiences which is what the forum is here for.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2482114]...
The degreed office gals in BKK you'll meet in BKK will raw dog it first time as well. BB sex is extremely easy to get in LOS, from gals of all shapes, sizes, looks, and ages. And it always has been.[/QUOTE]The easiest agreements to go bareback with me have been from the better educated, more worldly experienced, more English fluent girls; corporate exectutives, teachers, nurses, doctors! The exact opposite of what is suggested here.

They are tbe ones who understand the real world extremely low if not virtually zero risk of acquiring HIV from a clearly heterosexual man with zero evidence of recent shared needle drug abuse. And what a recent HIV+STD (at least one or two others) blood check document tells them. Not the fear mongered boogieman tales about it meant to frighten the less educated and less observant.

I will be fucking a 27 year old nurse from Bumrungrad Hospital on Sukhumvit Soi 3 Saturday night and she agreed to fuck me bareback the first night we met about a year ago before I got the full question out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2482135]The easiest agreements to go bareback with me have been from the better educated, more worldly experienced, more English fluent girls; corporate exectutives, teachers, nurses, doctors! The exact opposite of what is suggested here.

They are tbe ones who understand the real world extremely low if not virtually zero risk of acquiring HIV from a clearly heterosexual man with zero evidence of recent shared needle drug abuse. And what a recent HIV+STD (at least one or two others) blood check document tells them. Not the fear mongered boogieman tales about it meant to frighten the less educated and less observant.

I will be fucking a 27 year old nurse from Bumrungrad Hospital on Sukhumvit Soi 3 Saturday night and she agreed to fuck me bareback the first night we met about a year ago before I got the full question out of my mouth.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I'm not sure it's because they really think that deeply about it as you stated above, but they are definitely more focused on having an enjoyable time themselves than most GoGo gals and MP girls.

The rawdoggers doth protest too much, methinks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2482193]The rawdoggers doth protest too much, methinks.[/QUOTE]I rarely skin it dude. But I always see if I can. And I would say the vast majority of gals are perfectly willing to let me take the plunge unwrapped, especially after a long DATY session. It is at that point that I back off and wrap. But that being said, I have no animosity towards dudes who bareback all the time. If you wear a condom all the time, then you have no worries really. I'm just relating my experiences here as a two decade plus resident of BKK. El T is correct about regular gals.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2482153]Agree 100%. I'm not sure it's because they really think that deeply about it as you stated above, but they are definitely more focused on having an enjoyable time themselves than most GoGo gals and MP girls.[/QUOTE]There was no deep thinking about it with the three nurses and the doctor I got an almost immediate Yes agreement to go bareback from. One of them was a lovely, slim 50 year old lady, the oldest lady I have ever fucked, who I met on a dating site 4-5 years ago. She turned out to be, drum roll please, one of the head nurses in the HIV ward of one of the best hospitals in the center of Bangkok! Lol. We compared our most recent HIV test documents, a test she is required to take every few months for her job.

But that was just for the hell of it. She and the others, all much younger, didn't ask for or need to see my test document. Even if they had started out buying all the horror stories about someone's cousin's boyfriend's aunt knowing a lady with HIV who gave it to 6 customers on Soi Cowboy, the fact is none of those hospital workers had yet personally seen, met or heard a reliable report of a man fitting my profile acquiring HIV, coming in to their workplace to be treated for complications of HIV or anything of the kind in all the combined years they worked in the medical field.

The empirical evidence on the front lines is simply not going to terrify them about going bareback with someone who is not into receptive anal sex or does not have needle tracks on his body.

Now, the heavily tattooed, slutty behaving, dirty blonde, smoker girl who was crawling all over me, Deep French Kissing me in Random Go-Go Bar Nana Plaza like I was Leonardo DiCaprio but who said "No" to me barfining her on my terms because she was convinced not wearing a condom would give her Covid-19 that I wrote a report about a few weeks back is apparently one of those mentally stable quality girls who care about their health but might not have had the years' long science-based personal experience the medical professionals I have been fucking bareback have had. But I was more than happy to let her feelings about it prevail without the slightest argument from me and move on to the next girl, of course.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2482193]The rawdoggers doth protest too much, methinks.[/QUOTE]Not really I know the same as the politicization around wearing a mask but there is a similarity in that it's responsibly covering up for health reasons. Similar to the mindset of the I'm not wearing a mask brigade it seems some self righteous members believe as freedom loving individuals it's their god given right to have unprotected sex and to hell with the consequences.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481186] I never feel boring to fuck sexy ladies everyday! I think I fuck BBFS maybe 60% of the girls in Soi 6/7/8 and Soi LK.[/QUOTE]Well, that's a lot of grand-mothers, Casanova.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2481186] I never feel boring to fuck sexy ladies everyday! I think I fuck BBFS maybe 60% of the girls in Soi 6/7/8 and Soi LK.[/QUOTE]Well, that's a lot of grand-mothers, Casanova.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2482229]Not really I know the same as the politicization around wearing a mask but there is a similarity in that it's responsibly covering up for health reasons. Similar to the mindset of the I'm not wearing a mask brigade it seems some self righteous members believe as freedom loving individuals it's their god given right to have unprotected sex and to hell with the consequences.[/QUOTE]Personally I try never going bareback. From my experience there are times when I ran out of condoms so asked for BBBJ. The girls would immediately either offer bareback or position themselves for bareback. I would consider if it was my GF whom I have a monogamous relationship with, but there's no way I'm diving into a WG who has up to 10 different partners a week. You couldn't pay me enough for that.

Shortly after noon I went to drop my girlfriend at work. On my way back I went down Soi Chaiyapoom. I passed by the Orange and Blue bars (I think they are part of the Night Wish Group). The chicks were hollering as usual. About 2 hours later I went out to exercise on my bicycle and passed by and the bars were closed.

I just sent a message to a chick I know that work there to ask her what happened. She said the bar owner didn't pay the rent to the building owner and there was a big argument. The building owner told them they had to get the fuck out. A lot of the girls lived on premises including the one I sent the message to. I asked her what happened to them. She said they had to get the fuck out. Some girls she think went to find work at other bars and she went to the beach with another chick to think about work. She said they were all shocked because there was no warning.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2483093]Shortly after noon I went to drop my girlfriend at work. On my way back I went down Soi Chaiyapoom. I passed by the Orange and Blue bars (I think they are part of the Night Wish Group). The chicks were hollering as usual. About 2 hours later I went out to exercise on my bicycle and passed by and the bars were closed.

I just sent a message to a chick I know that work there to ask her what happened. She said the bar owner didn't pay the rent to the building owner and there was a big argument. The building owner told them they had to get the fuck out. A lot of the girls lived on premises including the one I sent the message to. I asked her what happened to them. She said they had to get the fuck out. Some girls she think went to find work at other bars and she went to the beach with another chick to think about work. She said they were all shocked because there was no warning.[/QUOTE]I know the manager of the Orange and Blue bars on Soi 25. Not sure if he is the current manager. I used to hang out at these 2 bars because there was a cute girl there about 3 years ago. Only other cute girls I saw was when she dragged a non-pro friend to work there with her. She left to work in that lousy bar complex on Soi 2 of all places.

Your story is a sad one and will be the sign of the times until Thailand wakes up and starts allowing tourists back in, with a strict mandatory 14 day quarantine. Cambodia allows tourists in and, if you believe the numbers, there was no sudden COVID outbreak after tourists started coming.

MP sent me some photos of Saturday night in Pattaya. I couldn't believe how dead it was. Worst than I imagined. There is no way these bars will survive much longer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2483138]I know the manager of the Orange and Blue bars on Soi 25. Not sure if he is the current manager. I used to hang out at these 2 bars because there was a cute girl there about 3 years ago. Only other cute girls I saw was when she dragged a non-pro friend to work there with her. She left to work in that lousy bar complex on Soi 2 of all places.

Your story is a sad one and will be the sign of the times until Thailand wakes up and starts allowing tourists back in, with a strict mandatory 14 day quarantine. Cambodia allows tourists in and, if you believe the numbers, there was no sudden COVID outbreak after tourists started coming.

MP sent me some photos of Saturday night in Pattaya. I couldn't believe how dead it was. Worst than I imagined. There is no way these bars will survive much longer.[/QUOTE]I guess Oct 1. 14 day Quarantine. 90 day visa. Ain't happening.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2483138]There is no way these bars will survive much longer.[/QUOTE]We have to define here " these bars ", because the City of Pattaya itself is deeply suffering, being a tourists destination.

This is indeed an human and business tragedy in the making.

However, being on the ground, I frequent several quality restaurants, nightclubs, girls bars and sport bars. With a clear expats following, and posting aggressive and smart marketing strategies on a daily basis. That are full packed, several days of the week, and are more than breaking even.

I don't know about G-Clubs and Soapy massages.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483179]I guess Oct 1. 14 day Quarantine. 90 day visa. Ain't happening.[/QUOTE]The 14 day Quarantine will continue until Thailand comes to a concensus that their economy is more important than Covid restrictions on entry. And while the visa amnesty is coming to an end, mmigration might turn out to be very flexible on granting visa extensions.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483179]I guess Oct 1. 14 day Quarantine. 90 day visa. Ain't happening.[/QUOTE]This is another day and another hair brain idea that goes nowhere. I read so many reports daily and can't remember the article but it had to do their economy dying, businesses can't survive for long when they close it will be forever! This time the 90 days once in allows you two more extension at 2000 baht a pop that gives you something like 270 days in total the problem it was just an idea with just noting 14 quarantine there was no mention if they were going to remove all the other conditions to get to the quarantine phrase since the idea there hasn't been any word although there was mentioned a BIG meeting to happen this coming week?

I was just talking to another ex-pat this morning over coffee as they are hurting for tourist they are ending the amnesty 26 Sept when they haven't opened up Thailand so now they are forcing how many out that have been here for months spending money isn't something better than nothing guys like Mr. E, Monkey Paw are here contributing to the economy along with hundred or Thousands and now they want them out. The logic would be as long as no one is coming in just drag it until the end of the year no question ask.

Another topic if true, I heard the Thais that are being repatriated back to Thai do not need to go through the same hoops as other foreigners? For example, Thais are given VIP rights to obtaining a seat on flights they do not require insurance and maybe even no testing within 72 hours but like everyone must be quarantined. Each of these flights you always find people that test positive after which even if you go through all the hoops you might be sitting next to someone who hasn't how do Thailand leaders think just because you are Thai and you are abroad in countries that have outbreaks being given a different standard than they have zero or fewer chances of getting it? Then you got the majority of the positive test from passengers from the MiddleEast, if Thailand is rank something like 95 for corruption can you imagine how easy it would be for countries with worse records to obtain a COE.

It would be a shock if it opens deep down the surface it is a mess no light at the end of the tunnel? I would love to see Land of Smile but each night and each moring I wake up I say different day same shit!

Last Thursday even prior to getting into the dog house I had to make a visit to Golden Times to do a favor for my cousin.

I've been to G. T. Prior to the Virus closing things down. G. T. Is located near Soi 15, the Soi lead to the back of the Avenue, this location is also known just off Soi Baukhao locates a number of Gentlemen Clubs, 555, Naughty, Buka Lounge, so when it opened people thought it to be in line with one but it turns out to be more of a GoGo, so the majority of the comments were negative since all you got to do is walk out and hit one of the others get yourself satisfied for much less. Pre-COVID the owners would throw a bunch of promotion like bring in models from Bangkok for that one-night promotion the next day they were all gone you can see these ladies on their FB but you won't find them there daily nor are you going to get them cheap even when they are there. Never found the quality to be much after these promotions so when I saw their second grand opening Aug 29th I said why to bother.

So I was wondering why my cousin lady friend was working there when she could easily work at Pin-Up? As I started to walk in the first person I met was the former male manager for Bacarra he greets and walks me into and gets me a prime viewing location. There were maybe 5 customers inside while waiting for my drinks I noticed on stage the quality was much better I also felt some staring which meant Asian soon some unwanted introduction. I refused a few offers because I wanted to check the stage while looking for my cousin lady. After a while, a girl comes rushing up next to the seat next to me I turn and it was another girl who I've known for years from Bacarra, next thing I know more came by to say Sawasdee Ka including the head mamasan from Baccara, my cousin lady happens to not work that night so for old times I brought drinks for old time sake and stuck around to catch up with their lives.

I try hard never to venture to places on the Darkside I'm even careful at the GoGo because you never know who someone working might be my local Thai neighbor, but one of the girls who knew one from Bacarra turn and spoke Thai which I understood a majority while they were talking " does this guy live? " she indicates she has seen me before with makeup it was hard for me to tell if I had seen her in my village or even a customer at my wife store and restaurant? I'm thinking I'm screwed because Thais love to talk so it is nothing but hands-off at this place. I rack my brain for a few days trying to figure out where I seen her the closest I came was April this year she came for a party for my granddaughter's 2nd Birthday that is might be related or friends of my Daughter-Inlaw family which I don't like or trust. Nevertheless, from what I saw many of the girls are from Bacarra maybe 30% rumor Bacarra only might open in a month to test the waters. BUMMER!

For all you gents who are brave enough to go bb with a working girl, do you use any preventative medicine, I. E. Pre-exposure prophylaxis? I've searched CDC and various medical authorities, and risk of catching HIV to a heterosexual male having vaginal sex is marginal, but the consequence of catching it is severe. PrEP would mitigate that risk a lot, but just curious if people here go that far. Also, besides HIV, the other common STDs are more easily caught, even when the girls don't have symptoms. Do you go to a clinic to take care of it, or just get the usual doxycycline + azithromycin for syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2483268]Last Thursday even prior to getting into the dog house I had to make a visit to Golden Times to do a favor for my cousin.[/QUOTE]Geezus. My buddy had me tag along with him to Golden Times last week. That place had some nice chicks. Ever since, I pass by there with my tongue hanging out.

Passed by Blue and Orange bars again today and the Blue side is open again.

I met a chick on Tinder back in March. Never met her in person. Laat night I sent her a random message. She just happened to be in Pattaya. She lives in Korat and does some document work at an office there. She drives 5 hours to Pattaya some weekends to make extra cash. She came over this afternoon for 700 baht. This was probably the best GFE that I have had in my life. She was so sweet. She showed up the same time as the Lazada man. When we got to the room I sat down to open my package, at which time she knelt down and took my package out and started sucking on it.

The rest was a textbook fucking like rabbits session. She had to get on the road because she can not see when it gets dark. I have glasses for the same reason, but she said that she can not afford any. I handed her 1000 baht. She looked at it and said it is supposed to be 700. I said okay. The I took out the 700 I had set aside earlier. I asked her if she wanted to change. She said to send her a message and she could come back next weekend if I want. But for now she had to make sure she is on time for work tomorrow. Buddha Blessings.

C29. Has basically become a non issue in USA.

I take it it isn't Polling well for Biden.

Virus still around but so is the FLU.

Las Vegas where I'm sheltering is quite busy on weekends.

Thailand is BATShyte crazy.

Traffic deaths over 20,000 c19! Dead 58.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483359]C29. Has basically become a non issue in USA.

I take it it isn't Polling well for Biden.

Virus still around but so is the FLU.

Las Vegas where I'm sheltering is quite busy on weekends.

Thailand is BATShyte crazy.

Traffic deaths over 20,000 c19! Dead 58.[/QUOTE]What is the real matter than?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483359]

C29. Has basically become a non issue in USA.
[/QUOTE]Fantastic argument. 194 000 dead and still promoting not wearing mask. How stupid can some poeple be?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483359]C29. Has basically become a non issue in USA.

I take it it isn't Polling well for Biden.

Virus still around but so is the FLU.

Las Vegas where I'm sheltering is quite busy on weekends.

Thailand is BATShyte crazy.

Traffic deaths over 20,000 c19! Dead 58.[/QUOTE]Covid death's are 58 because everything they did. If left unchecked, you are most likely looking at least 600 K. So, what's your logic: because everyone acted, it is not a problem so therefore everyone don't really need to act?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2483488]Fantastic argument. 194 000 dead and still promoting not wearing mask. How stupid can some poeple be?[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah it is a non issue in the US. When will it be an issue, when it hits 1 million.

Please share US stats.

200 k for c19 and how many traffic deaths?

But we must wear seatbelts or get fined but nothing for the c19 non issue?

What happened to education in the US in the past decade, same Thai mentality that so many are complaining about here.

Or are we getting trolled, hard to tell.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2483299]For all you gents who are brave enough to go bb with a working girl, do you use any preventative medicine, I. E. Pre-exposure prophylaxis? I've searched CDC and various medical authorities, and risk of catching HIV to a heterosexual male having vaginal sex is marginal, but the consequence of catching it is severe. PrEP would mitigate that risk a lot, but just curious if people here go that far. Also, besides HIV, the other common STDs are more easily caught, even when the girls don't have symptoms. Do you go to a clinic to take care of it, or just get the usual doxycycline + azithromycin for syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea?[/QUOTE]Haven't you been reading the threads? There are posters who say they do not get STDs from bareback sex with pros in Thailand. Those posts are for the consumption of fools who would go to Thailand and have bareback sex with prostitutes. Of course the posters would be secretly laughing at the prospect.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483616]Haven't you been reading the threads? There are posters who say they do not get STDs from bareback sex with pros in Thailand. Those posts are for the consumption of fools who would go to Thailand and have bareback sex with prostitutes. Of course the posters would be secretly laughing at the prospect.[/QUOTE]Thai girls just want to have fun. LOL.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2483299]For all you gents who are brave enough to go bb with a working girl, do you use any preventative medicine, I. E. Pre-exposure prophylaxis? I've searched CDC and various medical authorities, and risk of catching HIV to a heterosexual male having vaginal sex is marginal, but the consequence of catching it is severe. PrEP would mitigate that risk a lot, but just curious if people here go that far. Also, besides HIV, the other common STDs are more easily caught, even when the girls don't have symptoms. Do you go to a clinic to take care of it, or just get the usual doxycycline + azithromycin for syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea?[/QUOTE]I have never taken PrEP but I do see signs up in the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic were I get my routine HIV/Syphillis tests touting "Free PrEP. Ask Us How" or something like that. I have read mixed reports about the benefits vs downsides of PrEP.

You are sent to a private office at that clinic to receive your test document from a medical counselor and chat a bit about whatever. The counselor then asks a series of questions for which I always give 100% truthful answers like when was the last time I had intercourse (usually yesterday or the day before), do I have a regular girlfriend (sort of), do I have sex with many different women (yes), do I use condoms (no), why am I getting tested (Out of courtesy really. Just to have a negative/normal test result document to show someone who wants to see it), etc.

So far, after going there for a test every 2-3 months for more than seven years, not once has a counselor mentioned or recommended my taking PrEP.

For whatever that is worth.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2483299]For all you gents who are brave enough to go bb with a working girl, do you use any preventative medicine, I. E. Pre-exposure prophylaxis? I've searched CDC and various medical authorities, and risk of catching HIV to a heterosexual male having vaginal sex is marginal, but the consequence of catching it is severe. PrEP would mitigate that risk a lot, but just curious if people here go that far. Also, besides HIV, the other common STDs are more easily caught, even when the girls don't have symptoms. Do you go to a clinic to take care of it, or just get the usual doxycycline + azithromycin for syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea?[/QUOTE]Why is this query in the Pattaya forum?

Please RTFF as this topic has been covered 100's of times just like discussing condoms, Viagra, political views, war, etc.

About soi six. Say you have 1,000 girls working. How many of them get Barfined?

50?

Pre covid I never saw a ton of customers.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483890]About soi six. Say you have 1,000 girls working. How many of them get Barfined?

50?

Pre covid I never saw a ton of customers.[/QUOTE]Danny,

How can you get so low numbers!

Remember = 60% of ALL girls on Soi 6 + 7 + 8 + LK. With the Pattaya high turnover rate must be up to 5,000 -10,000 different girls annually. Are BBFS by our trustworthy member Gilolo. Not counting his regular weekly ones on these same Soi, and the other 10% which he reports were taken but finally not BBFS.

Statistically, he is supporting about 50% of your numbers, just by himself.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483890]About soi six. Say you have 1,000 girls working. How many of them get Barfined?

50?

Pre covid I never saw a ton of customers.[/QUOTE]I don't know about your numbers whether it is right or not but I always say even if I had the money I would never waste the time in throwing money into such a business I'm just glad there are guys willing to do it so I can enjoy the fun. Whether it is a GoGo or Soi 6, that is their problem just enjoy there are people out there willing to go through the headache to provide you with a choice!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2484187]I don't know about your numbers whether it is right or not but I always say even if I had the money I would never waste the time in throwing money into such a business I'm just glad there are guys willing to do it so I can enjoy the fun. Whether it is a GoGo or Soi 6, that is their problem just enjoy there are people out there willing to go through the headache to provide you with a choice![/QUOTE]I pulled the numbers out of my Hairy Butt. LOL.

Just wonder how businesses stay in business with a cash register that doesn't ring.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2483832]Why is this query in the Pattaya forum?

Please RTFF as this topic has been covered 100's of times just like discussing condoms, Viagra, political views, war, etc.[/QUOTE]Oh, well I'm sorry I'm talking about something else besides bar closures, when are tourists allowed back in PI, my balls are so blue, or covid vaccines. There isn't a lot of strictly trip reports from Pattaya lately, as I'm sure you can imagine why, and there was a whole series of posts further back that talked about barebacking.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2483809]I have never taken PrEP but I do see signs up in the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic were I get my routine HIV/Syphillis tests touting "Free PrEP. Ask Us How" or something like that. I have read mixed reports about the benefits vs downsides of PrEP.

You are sent to a private office at that clinic to receive your test document from a medical counselor and chat a bit about whatever. The counselor then asks a series of questions for which I always give 100% truthful answers like when was the last time I had intercourse (usually yesterday or the day before), do I have a regular girlfriend (sort of), do I have sex with many different women (yes), do I use condoms (no), why am I getting tested (Out of courtesy really. Just to have a negative/normal test result document to show someone who wants to see it), etc.

So far, after going there for a test every 2-3 months for more than seven years, not once has a counselor mentioned or recommended my taking PrEP.

For whatever that is worth.[/QUOTE]Wow thanks for sharing your experience. Are you concerned about the rise of more antibiotic-resistant strains of STD that is a pain in the ass to treat?

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2484299]Wow thanks for sharing your experience. Are you concerned about the rise of more antibiotic-resistant strains of STD that is a pain in the ass to treat?[/QUOTE]Only enough to pay as close attention to the stirrings, aches, pains, discharges or lack thereof of my package and that of my girls as I have always done, as well as getting a thorough check up every year or so and those routine blood checks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2484377] as well as getting a thorough check up every year or so and those routine blood checks.[/QUOTE]Carrying a blood test in the wallet for the girls to see, is obviously a practice highly uncommon in Pattaya.

But following your journey through your writing for months, my understanding was that the tests were taken more frequently.

Any added value at all with this singular BB persuasion strategy with showing a test when it has been taken almost a year ago?

[QUOTE=DrBrianJones;2484591]Carrying a blood test in the wallet for the girls to see, is obviously a practice highly uncommon in Pattaya.

But following your journey through your writing for months, my understanding was that the tests were taken more frequently.

Any added value at all with this singular BB persuasion strategy with showing a test when it has been taken almost a year ago?[/QUOTE]I meant that I get a more thorough full body and fluids medical check up every year or so. I get the routine blood test for HIV/STD at Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months. The document I have in my wallet now is only about 7 weeks old.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2484656]I meant that I get a more thorough full body and fluids medical check up every year or so. I get the routine blood test for HIV/STD at Thai Red Cross every 2-3 months. The document I have in my wallet now is only about 7 weeks old.[/QUOTE]So you're probably spreading chlamydia, gonorrhea and all sorts of other infections that don't appear in the blood test. You're definitely not as responsible as you're making yourself out to be.

[QUOTE=*****man;2484696]So you're probably spreading chlamydia, gonorrhea and all sorts of other infections that don't appear in the blood test. You're definitely not as responsible as you're making yourself out to be.[/QUOTE]Anything is possible. Those who are concerned about it can always wear a condom or drop the mongering hobby altogether and they'll be fine.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2484802]Anything is possible. Those who are concerned about it can always wear a condom or drop the mongering hobby altigether and they'll be fine.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. Pop one on if you're worried.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2484803]My thoughts exactly. Pop one on if you're worried.[/QUOTE]I do "pop one on" so I'm not worried for myself but I don't think people should pretend they're being socially responsible when they're actually spreading STIs. It's better to be honest and say "yeah I'm spreading the clap around but so what it's not to anyone who hasn't consented". And if a punter is trying to convince an uneducated woman that there's little to no risk when there is in fact an extremely high risk that he's going to infect her with gonorrhea or chlamydia then I would call that pretty unpleasant conduct.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2484803]My thoughts exactly. Pop one on if you're worried.[/QUOTE]Way back getting the clap was a rite of passage for young expat bankers in SE Asia. Then antibiotics worked. Now it is by no means certain that they will work.

Caveat.

[QUOTE=*****man;2484809]I do "pop one on" so I'm not worried for myself but I don't think people should pretend they're being socially responsible when they're actually spreading STIs. It's better to be honest and say "yeah I'm spreading the clap around but so what it's not to anyone who hasn't consented". And if a punter is trying to convince an uneducated woman that there's little to no risk when there is in fact an extremely high risk that he's going to infect her with gonorrhea or chlamydia then I would call that pretty unpleasant conduct.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty much 100% condom, but I don't really condemn the barebackers. Now if a person is being dishonest and stealthing women, then that is of course not ok, but consensual, then up to them.

[QUOTE=*****man;2484809]And if a punter is trying to convince an uneducated woman that there's little to no risk when there is in fact an extremely high risk that he's going to infect her with gonorrhea or chlamydia[/QUOTE]Not sure why you assume the punter has the disease. Maybe the chick has the disease. Maybe neither party has the disease. But what about the educated ones that ET said need no convincing? Any excuses or white kniting for them? From my experience nobody needs any arm twisting; educated, uneducated, first world, third world. HUMAN BEINGS tend to fuck without protection. There would not be so many bastards on this planet if that was not the case. I have a 24 year old kid in the first world to prove it. Oh, and my parents have me to prove it as well. Almost forgot about the shit ton of cousins and nephews and niece and 2 grandkids to prove it.

Next up: Cover the food so flies won't get on it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484825]Not sure why you assume the punter has the disease. Maybe the chick has the disease. Maybe neither party has the disease. But what about the educated ones that ET said need no convincing? Any excuses or white kniting for them? From my experience nobody needs any arm twisting; educated, uneducated, first world, third world. HUMAN BEINGS tend to fuck without protection. There would not be so many bastards on this planet if that was not the case. I have a 24 year old kid in the first world to prove it. Oh, and my parents have me to prove it as well. Almost forgot about the shit ton of cousins and nephews and niece and 2 grandkids to prove it.

Next up: Cover the food so flies won't get on it.[/QUOTE]Not sure which noodle stand you eat at Mt E but at mine they cover the food to prevent the flies getting at it. I heard a good quote once about flies and hygiene, if they are around food, your eating what they ate yesterday. And yes those uneducated off the farm WG (your definition) are easily persuaded to go bareback not fully appreciating the risks involved.

[QUOTE=*****man;2484809]I do "pop one on" so I'm not worried for myself but I don't think people should pretend they're being socially responsible when they're actually spreading STIs. It's better to be honest and say "yeah I'm spreading the clap around but so what it's not to anyone who hasn't consented". And if a punter is trying to convince an uneducated woman that there's little to no risk when there is in fact an extremely high risk that he's going to infect her with gonorrhea or chlamydia then I would call that pretty unpleasant conduct.[/QUOTE]Right now everyone who breathes and violates the 2 metre recommended social distance knowingly risks spreading a disease that appears to be far more infections and deadly than your run-of-the-mill STI.

So I am sure you are doing the pleasant, socially responsible thing for the sake of everyone, educated or not, by staying indoors alone and having your delivered food dropped off outside, right?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2483321]Geezus. My buddy had me tag along with him to Golden Times last week. That place had some nice chicks. Ever since, I pass by there with my tongue hanging out. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2483268] Nevertheless, from what I saw many of the girls are from Bacarra maybe 30% rumor Bacarra only might open in a month to test the waters. BUMMER![/QUOTE]MP messaged me and confirmed the Golden Time on Soi 15 near Soi Buakhao is indeed Baccara for the time being. Seems like the current hot spot while Baccara is temporarily closed. MP can share the details if he wishes. Would love to have a successful gogo bar in that area.

Does GT count as a LK metro gogo bar for Gilololipop to bang 80 (or is it 60 or 100%) of the Baccara girls BBFS?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2484939]Right now everyone who breathes and violates the 2 metre recommended social distance knowingly risks spreading a disease that appears to be far more infections and deadly than your run-of-the-mill STI.

So I am sure you are doing the pleasant, socially responsible thing for the sake of everyone, educated or not, by staying indoors alone and having your delivered food dropped off outside, right?[/QUOTE]Your mental struggles are hilarious. To follow your bizarre logic, if I have a Covid-19 test from 11 months ago, this proves that I don't have Covid-19 now. The image I have of you sitting in your underpants with one old medical certificate in each hand trying to convince a girl that this proves it's safe to bareback is comical.

Anyway, you made exactly the same point about Covid-19 months ago which I replied to back then and you didn't have an argument against so I don't know why you're repeating it now. Maybe your memory is failing?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2458720&viewfull=1#post2458720[/URL]

[QUOTE=*****man;2484989]Your mental struggles are hilarious. To follow your bizarre logic, if I have a Covid-19 test from 11 months ago, this proves that I don't have Covid-19 now. The image I have of you sitting in your underpants with one old medical certificate in each hand trying to convince a girl that this proves it's safe to bareback is comical.

Anyway, you made exactly the same point about Covid-19 months ago which I replied to back then and you didn't have an argument against so I don't know why you're repeating it now. Maybe your memory is failing?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2458720&viewfull=1#post2458720[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me I was right about it months ago as well.

For those who haven't kept up, taking a Covid-19 test 11 months ago or yesterday tells you very little about whether or not you are putting the person you sit next to in a bar at risk of acquiring it. You could be a carrier or have gotten it from the person you sat next to you on the skytrain ride from the testing clinic to the bar.

Best to remain alone in your room eating Grab delivered food for the foreseeable future. If you really are concerned about the health of others and pride yourself in putting no one at serious health risk and always engaging in pleasant, responsible social conduct, that is.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2484970]MP messaged me and confirmed the Golden Time on Soi 15 near Soi Buakhao is indeed Baccara for the time being. Seems like the current hot spot while Baccara is temporarily closed. MP can share the details if he wishes. Would love to have a successful gogo bar in that area.
[/QUOTE]But my friends say it is a gogo/gentlemens club. They have rooms there. Barfine/room is 500 and girls 1000?.

[QUOTE=*****man;2458720]Unless you have a co-morbidity, Covid-19 is extremely low risk and comparable to catching flu or a cold for most people so I don't think that comparison holds any water. Plus there have been no reported local transmissions for weeks so you're certainly more likely to die of lightning strike than Covid-19 in Thailand right now.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2484991]Thanks for reminding me I was right about it months ago as well.

For those who haven't kept up, taking a Covid-19 test 11 months ago or yesterday tells you very little about whether or not you are putting the person you sit next to in a bar at risk of acquiring it. You could be a carrier or have gotten it from the person you sat next to you on the skytrain ride from the testing clinic to the bar.

Best to remain alone in your room eating Grab delivered food for the foreseeable future. If you really are concerned about the health of others and pride yourself in putting no one at serious health risk and always engaging in pleasant, responsible social conduct, that is.[/QUOTE]You're just repeating yourself about Covid-19. I've already responded to that point in the linked post. Try and respond to my response rather than just repeating your initial idea.

I do agree with what you say about the worthlessness of old Covid-19 tests though so please explain why you think your old STI tests are worth anything.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484825]Not sure why you assume the punter has the disease. Maybe the chick has the disease. Maybe neither party has the disease. But what about the educated ones that ET said need no convincing? Any excuses or white kniting for them? From my experience nobody needs any arm twisting; educated, uneducated, first world, third world. HUMAN BEINGS tend to fuck without protection. There would not be so many bastards on this planet if that was not the case. I have a 24 year old kid in the first world to prove it. Oh, and my parents have me to prove it as well. Almost forgot about the shit ton of cousins and nephews and niece and 2 grandkids to prove it.

Next up: Cover the food so flies won't get on it.[/QUOTE]Who's white knighting? Not me. I agree that if somebody needs no convincing to bareback, let them bareback. There's even a genre of pornography called 'disease ridden' and if people are into that sort of thing that's fine by me. I'm just responding to the bizarre idea that waving around old medical certificates is of any value to anyone.

[QUOTE=*****man;2484996]You're just repeating yourself about Covid-19. I've already responded to that point in the linked post. Try and respond to my response rather than just repeating your initial idea.

I do agree with what you say about the worthlessness of old Covid-19 tests though so please explain why you think your old STI tests are worth anything.[/QUOTE]The White Knight wannabes and hand wringers over other people choosing to go bareback while they insist they always "pop one on" are the tiresome, endless one trick ponies here.

If my annual medical check ups and routine 2-3 month HIV/STD/STI blood checks right up to the one I had 7 weeks ago as well as any I have heard mentioned to me by any female I have ever fucked (except for that one university girlfriend when I was in my early 20s who gave me a dose of easily treatable trichomonas) have shown zero positive results for me and nothing alarming enough to meaningfully alter the lives of my partners for the past 48+ years of mongering BBFS+CIP with thousands of different women, I realize it provides no guarantee of 100% safety for me or the lovely young girl I bareback fucked about 18 hours ago.

But I will definitely take it as evidence that whatever I have been doing has worked well for me in terms of my health and that of my partners. Particularly by comparison to the unplanned pregnancies and horror stories of STD/STI infections I hear from most guys who claim to always wear condoms for sex and who might have only been mongering for half the time and with a small fraction of the number of different partners I've had. Therefore, I feel comfortable continuing to do what I do and not what they do. That's what those tests are worth to me.

By contrast, there is no discretion, no choice in the matter, no observations, smell, taste or touch test, no treatment, no cure and no vaccination for an aerosol borne Pandemic virus that you can get (and carry to thousands of other people, some of whom will die from it and rather quickly) when a carrier walks up behind you in queue at the ATM and coughs on you 2 minutes after you've left the testing clinic where you came up negative.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485005]The White Knight wannabes and hand wringers over other people choosing to go bareback while they insist they always "pop one on" are the tiresome, endless one trick ponies here.

If my annual medical check ups and routine 2-3 month HIV/STD/STI blood checks right up to the one I had 7 weeks ago as well as any I have heard mentioned to me by any female I have ever fucked (except for that one university girlfriend when I was in my early 20s who gave me a dose of easily treatable trichomonas) have shown zero positive results for me and nothing alarming enough to meaningfully alter the lives of my partners for the past 48+ years of mongering BBFS+CIP with thousands of different women, I realize it provides no guarantee of 100% safety for me or the lovely young girl I bareback fucked about 18 hours ago.

But I will definitely take it as evidence that whatever I have been doing has worked well for me in terms of my health and that of my partners. Particularly by comparison to the unplanned pregnancies and horror stories of STD/STI infections I hear from most guys who claim to always wear condoms for sex and who might have only been mongering for half the time and with a small fraction of the number of different partners I've had. Therefore, I feel comfortable continuing to do what I do and not what they do. That's what those tests are worth to me.

By contrast, there is no discretion, no choice in the matter, no observations, smell, taste or touch test, no treatment, no cure and no vaccination for an aerosol borne Pandemic virus that you can get (and carry to thousands of other people, some of whom will die from it and rather quickly) when a carrier walks up behind you in queue at the ATM and coughs on you 2 minutes after you've left the testing clinic where you came up negative.[/QUOTE]Do your annual medical check-ups specifically test for chlamydia and gonorrhea or are they just generic urine tests that look for things like glucose levels and general health markers? Where are you getting this test done? You seem to be very confused and believe yourself to be some kind of medical miracle who is immune from extremely infectious bacterial STIs.

As for Covid-19, as I explained before, there is no evidence of any community transmission in Thailand at the moment so what you wrote is complete drivel.

If you're so easily upset by people questioning your bareback practices, why do you repeatedly post them on a public forum?

[QUOTE=*****man;2484997]Who's white knighting? Not me. I agree that if somebody needs no convincing to bareback, let them bareback. [/QUOTE]I said that because you singled out uneducated women as if you needed to save them from the horrible wiley mongers that would dare even suggest they go BB. I will say it once again, I have not met any chick around here that needed any convincing. And remember that I am a guy that goes with the flow. I don't have a list that says a chick needs to give me a blowjob or kiss in the mouth or anything else. Let's just go have fun.

I met a chick last night. She came over and I found out she was 33. I said good. That means I can fuck you in the ass, because all ladies over 30 can fuck in the ass. She said no you can not fuck my ass. What does 30 have anything to do with it. So we took our clothes off and got in the bed and the first thing I did was grab the vaseline. Usually I will just do that and quit. But this time I opened it and got some out and rubbed it on her azzhole. She said nothing. I got on top of her and started to put my dick in her ass and she said nothing. Then I got off and said just joking and turned her over and started a "basic" session.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2484970]MP messaged me and confirmed the Golden Time on Soi 15 near Soi Buakhao is indeed Baccara for the time being. Seems like the current hot spot while Baccara is temporarily closed. MP can share the details if he wishes. Would love to have a successful gogo bar in that area.

Does GT count as a LK metro gogo bar for Gilololipop to bang 80 (or is it 60 or 100%) of the Baccara girls BBFS?[/QUOTE]I've been to GT twice when they open a year ago. There were lots of comments and debate on the place on another website but I'm not part of that website any longer for personal reasons. The negatives were when they opened is their location it is right at the corner of what is consider Gentlemen Club Alley, 555,Naughty, Buka. So when they opened it was assumed they would also be one but after the Grand opening the negative comments started to come in that they couldn't figure out if they were a GoGo or a GC, another negative was the prices for BF and what the girls were asking which wasn't consistent with what one could get just walking out the door especially when the talent wasn't anything to brag about.

The owners there seem to be the same owner now? One of the big negatives is the owners had a bad habit of bringing in high end talent for their Grand Opening and special events for one night for eye candy although they had one or two from other high end GoGo the general talent wasn't above some of the GC. There were complaints that these eye candy the BF was 2000 baht and these girls were asking as high as 10,000 baht I can personally confirm that one of the mamasan quoted me these prices for these girls from Bangkok.

First open, I heard and read that they had ST rooms on site and can confirm the price quoted 500 baht but girls for take out was much more more in the range of a GoGo thus the question are they a GC or a GoGo. Prior to the Virus it wasn't going well and the two times I was there can confirm the rumors the talent just wasn't there as a GoGo comparing them pretty much last in talent in the LK metro area. If the Virus didn't close them I don't think they would be operating today.

GT second Grand Opening was August 29th, the second opening the owners continued with their same habits inviting models? From Bangkok for their Grand Opening. I made a visit August 3rd, that is when I found out many working were from Bacarra that including former head male manager and head mamasan from Bacarra. So I wasn't surprise many of the talent was from those two many of these girls are related or good friends and have been with Bacarra since the first day they opened on W. S. Once I find that out with my cousin lady being off and there was another who I didn't know but knew me including knowing exactly where I live and my wife I was already mentally out of there. But before playing it cool as it didn't matter I brought some drinks and caught up with what was happening with them I didn't ask about price and the onset room including the corner booth which use to be a blow job area but when I ask about the BF I was told same as Bacarra before the Virus 1200 baht. I never got into price about ST / LT with these girls if working at GT they have adjusted their asking price since they are on Soi Baukhao what was the point I had to present myself as a good boy never to go back as long as this girl was there who I can't figure if she is a neighbor or someone invited to my house for a past party?

I ask one who was a showgirl at Bacarra did she try working at Pin Up she said yes but never ever having to work on a contract which if remember it was 5 days, 20 drinks, and 3 BF she found that too steep to meet since there were so many girls and not enough customers to go around. GT is asking 5 and 10 days contract which the 5 days requires 10 drinks I can't remember about the BF? Maybe M. P. If still around can confirm the prices at GT?

Just a note from last night I started my evening at Dollhouse, I was there early 8:30 pm there were maybe 10 customers majority of them were there before I got there and they left before I did which wasn't long after. Next stop was Pin Up just before entering I notice a new sign at Bacarra W. S. Bacarra will reopen 25th of September free food BBQ as far as I know Bacarra has always been on salary will they continue I have no idea but if the two majory players leave GT I know many of the girls there now will follow?

When I went inside Pin Up majority of the people I saw at Dollhouse were there I did noticed although there are still a lot of girls I noticed less girls got me thinking the customers now are the same ones running around town all pretty much narrowing down to one or two favorites to finish their evening. There are the same old guys (retired) prior to the Virus like myself and then you usually a small group of young guys who you assume are well off stuck here enjoying themselves so as the 26th coming up next week they are going to be pushed out if that is the case old bastard like myself short, fat, no game, hair coming out of their nose, hair in the ear, yellow teeth, are going to be the only ones left here.

My next stop on the way home was Destiny on L. K. I was one of 3 customers inside after a few moments a girl sat down next to me I said why? She was actually something I would BF but not tonight told me she seen me before and it was at Pin Up I said why you leave? Now I would have thought she was 25-26 responded 32 said she had a tough time working with so many 19-21 she couldn't meet the requirements and said BF was too high at 1500. At this rate it doesn't look good with people not being able to come in I sense by end of year many girls will be going home and places closing down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485005]By contrast, there is no discretion, no choice in the matter, no observations, smell, taste or touch test, no treatment, no cure and no vaccination for an aerosol borne Pandemic virus that you can get (and carry to thousands of other people, some of whom will die from it and rather quickly) when a carrier walks up behind you in queue at the ATM and coughs on you 2 minutes after you've left the testing clinic where you came up negative.[/QUOTE]ET you do realize that the covid argument is not in your favor. Because people are being told to social distance and wear a mask, as I'm sure you have been doing during the outbreak in BKK. It is proven that wearing masks and social distancing have helped fight and minimize the spread of covid as you can see where you are living. People who have not taken this seriously and were lax with mask wearing have paid a price as is clear from certain states in the US and Sweden for example. So using the covid argument actually supports wearing condoms to minimize risk and stop the spread.

As far as education whether the girls have PhDs or not, if you tell a girl the scientific facts, such as wearing a condom reduces risk by such a percentage.

Not wearing one increases the risk by such a percentage.

Not wearing one with a partner who has unprotected sex with multiple partners increase the risk by this much.

Not wearing one with a partner who has unprotected sex with multiple prostitutes who also have unprotected sex with multiple partners will increase it by this much.

In a country which is known to be the number 1 sex tourist destination in the world where mongers travel throughout the year increases it by this much.

Having unprotected anal sex with those partners increase your risk but this much.

I'm sure if you simply explain the risks, ie educate, the matter is quite clear, no one likes to put themselves at risk of diseases.

That being said some people, both men and women are fine with taking that chance and that's fine.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2485028]I've been to GT twice when they open a year ago. There were lots of comments and debate on the place on another website but I'm not part of that website any longer for personal reasons. The negatives were when they opened is their location it is right at the corner of what is consider Gentlemen Club Alley, 555,Naughty, Buka. So when they opened it was assumed they would also be one but after the Grand opening the negative comments started to come in that they couldn't figure out if they were a GoGo or a GC, another negative was the prices for BF and what the girls were asking which wasn't consistent with what one could get just walking out the door especially when the talent wasn't anything to brag about.

The owners there seem to be the same owner now? One of the big negatives is the owners had a bad habit of bringing in high end talent for their Grand Opening and special events for one night for eye candy although they had one or two from other high end GoGo the general talent wasn't above some of the GC. There were complaints that these eye candy the BF was 2000 baht and these girls were asking as high as 10,000 baht I can personally confirm that one of the mamasan quoted me these prices for these girls from Bangkok.

First open, I heard and read that they had ST rooms on site and can confirm the price quoted 500 baht but girls for take out was much more more in the range of a GoGo thus the question are they a GC or a GoGo. Prior to the Virus it wasn't going well and the two times I was there can confirm the rumors the talent just wasn't there as a GoGo comparing them pretty much last in talent in the LK metro area. If the Virus didn't close them I don't think they would be operating today..[/QUOTE]Love the insight.

Pin up three Barfines per contract. Sounds reasonable. I just don't see the girls being Barfined even when it's wall to wall customers.

[QUOTE=*****man;2485016]Do your annual medical check-ups specifically test for chlamydia and gonorrhea or are they just generic urine tests that look for things like glucose levels and general health markers? Where are you getting this test done? You seem to be very confused and believe yourself to be some kind of medical miracle who is immune from extremely infectious bacterial STIs.

As for Covid-19, as I explained before, there is no evidence of any community transmission in Thailand at the moment so what you wrote is complete drivel.

If you're so easily upset by people questioning your bareback practices, why do you repeatedly post them on a public forum?[/QUOTE]The reason there has been no community outbreak in Thailand is because the country jumped on the mitigation measures at the national level ASAP; masks, social distancing, curfews, closures, etc that went on for months. Or hadn't you noticed?

Btw, we also stiil get our temperature taken every time we walk into a 7-11 or a mall. By your reasoning there is no need, purpose or value in doing that since taking that "test" after the fact did not and could not prevent us from getting Covid or from us having spread it to 1000 people before we got "tested." And, hey, there is no community outbreak in Thailand.

Any idea why it is done anyway? Give it some thought.

I am not upset about anything. I was just pointing out your holier than thou hypocrisy in claiming to worry about the spread of disease while you are still going out to violate every mitigation measure recommended to prevent the spread of a virus more infectious and deadly than any STI in circulation.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2485038]ET you do realize that the covid argument is not in your favor. Because people are being told to social distance and wear a mask, as I'm sure you have been doing during the outbreak in BKK. It is proven that wearing masks and social distancing have helped fight and minimize the spread of covid as you can see where you are living. People who have not taken this seriously and were lax with mask wearing have paid a price as is clear from certain states in the US and Sweden for example. So using the covid argument actually supports wearing condoms to minimize risk and stop the spread.

As far as education whether the girls have PhDs or not, if you tell a girl the scientific facts, such as wearing a condom reduces risk by such a percentage.

Not wearing one increases the risk by such a percentage.

Not wearing one with a partner who has unprotected sex with multiple partners increase the risk by this much.

Not wearing one with a partner who has unprotected sex with multiple prostitutes who also have unprotected sex with multiple partners will increase it by this much.

In a country which is known to be the number 1 sex tourist destination in the world where mongers travel throughout the year increases it by this much.

Having unprotected anal sex with those partners increase your risk but this much.

I'm sure if you simply explain the risks, ie educate, the matter is quite clear, no one likes to put themselves at risk of diseases.

That being said some people, both men and women are fine with taking that chance and that's fine.[/QUOTE]What "argument" do you imagine I am making?

I am not promoting or denying the risks of going bareback any more than I am promoting or denying the risks of violating all the Covid spread mitigation measures.

It's getting more and more difficult to find relevant Pattaya posts these days. If you guys want to argue there's a PM function on this board!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484992]But my friends say it is a gogo/gentlemens club. They have rooms there. Barfine/room is 500 and girls 1000?.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Obviously I'm only getting my information second hand unlike some poster on here who are pretending to be in Thailand getting BBFS from every girl he meets. 1500 baht from a Baccara quality main floor girl would be a steal. Not so much for the 2nd floor girls. Did any of your buddies actually take a girl to a room in the club?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2485107]Pin up three Barfines per contract. Sounds reasonable. I just don't see the girls being Barfined even when it's wall to wall customers.[/QUOTE]Not many Pattaya gogo girls got 3 real barfines per 7 or 10 day contract even pre-COVID. 3 BF and 20 drinks in a 5 day contract would have only been for the stars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485285]Interesting. Obviously I'm only getting my information second hand unlike some poster on here who are pretending to be in Thailand getting BBFS from every girl he meets. 1500 baht from a Baccara quality main floor girl would be a steal. Not so much for the 2nd floor girls. Did any of your buddies actually take a girl to a room in the club?[/QUOTE]I bought myself a ginger ale and one of those hostess chicks stuck to me like glue even though I did not buy her a drink or anything. There was a mamasan with glasses who my buddy said probably looked good back in her day. I was surprised to see a DJ in the place. Seemed like they could just have a tape or USB playing that music. I doubt anyone would know the difference.

I got my info second hand too because I did not ask anything when I was inside of the place. I don't remember the actual price they said that is why I put the question mark. But the price was low enough that I stated I would probably have fucked one the day I went in there had I known that. (Actually I would not have because I had been riding my bicycle and was smelling bad when I ran into my friend that wanted me to tag along.) They also mentioned that lady drinks are up to 200 baht in some places.

I ran into MP right as he was leaving Golden Times Friday night. He was in the back of a baht bus and I was behind it on my motorbike headed to Walking Street. I told him that I would see him down on Walking Street but I did not run into him after that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485256]The reason there has been no community outbreak in Thailand is because the country jumped on the mitigation measures at the national level ASAP; masks, social distancing, curfews, closures, etc that went on for months. Or hadn't you noticed?

Btw, we also stiil get our temperature taken every time we walk into a 7-11 or a mall. By your reasoning there is no need, purpose or value in doing that since taking that "test" after the fact did not and could not prevent us from getting Covid or from us having spread it to 1000 people before we got "tested." And, hey, there is no community outbreak in Thailand.

Any idea why it is done anyway? Give it some thought.

I am not upset about anything. I was just pointing out your holier than thou hypocrisy in claiming to worry about the spread of disease while you are still going out to violate every mitigation measure recommended to prevent the spread of a virus more infectious and deadly than any STI in circulation.[/QUOTE]Logical reasoning isn't your strong point is it? With regard to both Covid-19 and condoms I'm following the advice of the local health authorities so where's the hypocrisy?

And I notice you didn't answer the question about your supposed annual chlamydia and gonorrhea tests. But you like to quickly change the subject when someone asks you an inconvenient question don't you? But no doubt you're still going to stick with your ridiculous claims to be miraculously immune from sexually transmitted infections.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485285]It's getting more and more difficult to find relevant Pattaya posts these days. If you guys want to argue there's a PM function on this board!

[/QUOTE]The problem is ET has turned the Bangkok thread and now this one into his own personal blog about his daily struggles to get bareback sex in Thailand. The Bangkok thread has long been unreadable as a result and now he seems to be doing the same with this one. This forum allows the creation of user blogs so I don't know why he doesn't start his own entitled "my struggles to get bareback sex" and see how many people are actually interested in that shit.

[QUOTE=*****man;2485315]Logical reasoning isn't your strong point is it? With regard to both Covid-19 and condoms I'm following the advice of the local health authorities so where's the hypocrisy?

And I notice you didn't answer the question about your supposed annual chlamydia and gonorrhea tests. But you like to quickly change the subject when someone asks you an inconvenient question don't you? But no doubt you're still going to stick with your ridiculous claims to be miraculously immune from sexually transmitted infections.[/QUOTE]The local health authorities are recommending you choose a girl from a line up at a happy ending massage shop or oily and fuck her in one of their rooms if you really want to protect her, yourself and others from Covid-19? Bullshit.

I alternate the STD test I get every 2-3 months from testing syphilis, which I get a result within the hour, to testing for gonorrhea, which takes a few days to get a result by email. I was tested for Chlamydia and HPV about 18 months ago but since both of those can be transmitted whether you're wearing a condom or not, I consider it a non issue regarding condom use and don't continually test for it. Similar to herpes in that regard. I took the HPV vaccination series a couple of years ago because I understand it can be transmitted orally and I eat a lot of pussy. I hope that information helps you sleep better tonight.

[QUOTE=*****man;2485317]The problem is ET has turned the Bangkok thread and now this one into his own personal blog about his daily struggles to get bareback sex in Thailand. The Bangkok thread has long been unreadable as a result and now he seems to be doing the same with this one. This forum allows the creation of user blogs so I don't know why he doesn't start his own entitled "my struggles to get bareback sex" and see how many people are actually interested in that shit.[/QUOTE]Here's some logical reasoning for you. If getting DFK and BBBJ were key to a poster's assessment of a good, bad or indifferent P4P experience or destination but he didn't mention that is why he gave this or that experience a pass or fail, readers would not have much info on which to base their own conclusion. BBFS+CIP, Real Sex, is that factor for me. AND getting an upfront agreement for it as well. Two factors very few other mongers or posters apply, although I get plenty of PMs telling me there are several here after all.

So I kind of need to mention that when I answer a question or reply to a comment on the subject of P4P. If I don't, even I would wonder why in the world a seasoned monger who lives in Thailand would find himself with 1 taker out of some 24-30 nights of cruising and shopping in the P4P areas of Pattaya on the false assumption that he is only asking for and expecting the standard, basic fare of lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed, the sum total of what likely 90% of Thai punters expect and get. See how that works?

I hereby forbid you to read any more of my posts. They are simply too nuanced, complex and upsetting for you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485324]The local health authorities are recommending you choose a girl from a line up at a happy ending massage shop or oily and fuck her in one of their rooms if you really want to protect her, yourself and others from Covid-19? Bullshit.

I alternate the STD test I get every 2-3 months from testing syphilis, which I get a result within the hour, to testing for gonorrhea, which takes a few days to get a result by email. I was tested for Chlamydia and HPV about 18 months ago but since both of those can be transmitted whether you're wearing a condom or not, I consider it a non issue regarding condom use. I took the HPV vaccination series a couple of years ago because I understand it can be transmitted orally and I eat a lot of pussy.[/QUOTE]I think we're all adults, customers, mongers and Thai ladies. I hate condoms because I disengage quickly. On the other hand, fucking a very pretty working girl without a condom, it turns me on seriously! It turns me on even more to fuck a working girl when she refuses to fuck without a condom! She always ends up giving in with more money!

I love to eat their pussy and lot of deep French kisses.

But don't worry I always treat them with a lot of respect. I'm always generous with these girls. Girls love me a lot, they're just jealous I fuck all the girls in Pattaya or Bangkok.

Everyday I love to go on the facebook pages on the bars in Soi 6 and everywhere in BKK and Pattaya and I love to look their new girls! Usually I find the girls I want on facebook or tinder and then I go to the bar to fuck her.

Posters on ISG who state that they have BBFS are very few and seemed to be confined to one or two Thailand threads. Most likely much less than 1% of mongers, perhaps .001%. That being said I take their boasts of bare backing and regular health checks with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485324]The local health authorities are recommending you choose a girl from a line up at a happy ending massage shop or oily and fuck her in one of their rooms if you really want to protect her, yourself and others from Covid-19? Bullshit.

I alternate the STD test I get every 2-3 months from testing syphilis, which I get a result within the hour, to testing for gonorrhea, which takes a few days to get a result by email. I was tested for Chlamydia and HPV about 18 months ago but since both of those can be transmitted whether you're wearing a condom or not, I consider it a non issue regarding condom use and don't continually test for it. Similar to herpes in that regard. I took the HPV vaccination series a couple of years ago because I understand it can be transmitted orally and I eat a lot of pussy. I hope that information helps you sleep better tonight.[/QUOTE]The health authorities allowed go go bars and massage parlours to reopen. They were the last to reopen for a reason. Do you think the authorities don't know what goes on there? The assessment has been made that the risk of Covid-19 spreading in Thailand is extremely low and I'm happy to follow that rather than your drivel.

You again reveal your ignorance about STIs. Chlamydia is the most widespread STI but can be prevented with condom use. What made you think otherwise? If it's 18 months since you've had a test for that and you've been barebacking several prostitutes per week then you're at very high risk of catching and passing on chlamydia. So your repeated claims that your regular testing make any risk minimal are clearly totally false.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485325]Here's some logical reasoning for you. If getting DFK and BBBJ were key to a poster's assessment of a good, bad or indifferent P4P experience or destination but he didn't mention that is why he gave this or that experience a pass or fail, readers would not have much info on which to base their own conclusion. BBFS+CIP, Real Sex, is that factor for me. AND getting an upfront agreement for it as well. Two factors very few other mongers or posters apply, although I get plenty of PMs telling me there are several here after all.

So I kind of need to mention that when I answer a question or reply to a comment on the subject of P4P. If I don't, even I would wonder why in the world a seasoned monger who lives in Thailand would find himself with 1 taker out of some 24-30 nights of cruising and shopping in the P4P areas of Pattaya on the false assumption that he is only asking for and expecting the standard, basic fare of lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed, the sum total of what likely 90% of Thai punters expect and get. See how that works?

I hereby forbid you to read any more of my posts. They are simply too nuanced, complex and upsetting for you.[/QUOTE]Not upsetting at all. I find your mental struggles mildly amusing but your repetitive posting about exactly the same topic extremely tedious.

It's not all about you, is it? Just because you need something doesn't mean you have to shit up two threads by repeating the same thing over and over again. It's a public forum so you've got to ask is this relevant to other people? Do other people really want to read the same think over and over from the same poster or is it just your own little quirk that you can keep to yourself? If it's just about your own needs then a user blog on this forum or even a Twitter account would be the best place for it. There's no need for you to flood two threads with a topic that is only of interest to a small minority of posters.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485400]Posters on ISG who state that they have BBFS are very few and seemed to be confined to one or two Thailand threads. Most likely much less than 1% of mongers, perhaps .001%. That being said I take their boasts of bare backing and regular health checks with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]I'm not taking sides on this one, but the Forum rules and guidelines [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL] state:

No Safe Sex Complaints: Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.

No Safe Sex Bragging: Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

So maybe less confronting and more keeping references only incidental would be good.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485400]Posters on ISG who state that they have BBFS are very few and seemed to be confined to one or two Thailand threads. Most likely much less than 1% of mongers, perhaps .001%. That being said I take their boasts of bare backing and regular health checks with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]My personal experience is that about 10%-20% of Thai P4P girls never slow down enough to use a condom and I suspect that many punters prefer it that way. I have no idea how many punters get medical checks, but getting gonorrhea is painful and would force medical treatment.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485400]Posters on ISG who state that they have BBFS are very few and seemed to be confined to one or two Thailand threads. Most likely much less than 1% of mongers, perhaps .001%. That being said I take their boasts of bare backing and regular health checks with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]My guess is it's way higher than 1%.

[QUOTE=*****man;2485401]The health authorities allowed go go bars and massage parlours to reopen. They were the last to reopen for a reason. Do you think the authorities don't know what goes on there? The assessment has been made that the risk of Covid-19 spreading in Thailand is extremely low and I'm happy to follow that rather than your drivel.

You again reveal your ignorance about STIs. Chlamydia is the most widespread STI but can be prevented with condom use. What made you think otherwise? If it's 18 months since you've had a test for that and you've been barebacking several prostitutes per week then you're at very high risk of catching and passing on chlamydia. So your repeated claims that your regular testing make any risk minimal are clearly totally false.[/QUOTE]You were asking forum advice for which go-go bars you should go to in order to find girls with the factors you require. If you finally conquered your fear of go-go girls and went into some of those bars, none of them follow the local health authorities' mitigation recommendations.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2485415]I'm not taking sides on this one, but the Forum rules and guidelines [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL] state:

No Safe Sex Complaints: Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.

No Safe Sex Bragging: Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

So maybe less confronting and more keeping references only incidental would be good.[/QUOTE]That is exactly why I tried in vain to get W-man off that particular White Knight wannabe hand wringing topic. I assumed one or two more of his repetitive posts about spreading STIs would get him suspended for a while if the admin noticed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485400]Posters on ISG who state that they have BBFS are very few and seemed to be confined to one or two Thailand threads. Most likely much less than 1% of mongers, perhaps .001%. That being said I take their boasts of bare backing and regular health checks with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]Really? I see the topic of BBFS going on at great length in the Bangkok thread whenever it is brought up (here too), which is rarely by me other than to reply or comment on what has already been asked or posted about it. I think if you go there now you would have to wade through several posts about it (as a topic) from various posters before you even get to one of mine. And, as usual, mine is in response to a comment made by another poster on the topic who mentioned me.

It isn't brought up as often in some other threads because BBFS is routinely provided anyway in some other P4P destinations.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485553]That is exactly why I tried in vain to get W-man off that particular White Knight wannabe hand wringing topic. I assumed one or two more of his repetitive posts about it would get him suspended for a while if the admin noticed.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you and *****man should put each other on your Ignore lists to end this and future arguments.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2485557]Perhaps you and *****man should put each other on your Ignore lists to end this and future arguments.[/QUOTE]Why end a discussion about anything on the topic of sex that people are apparently stimulated by enough to weigh in by the dozens? Except for the bareback shaming persistently engaged in by 1-2 posters in violation of forum rules, that is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485559]Why end a discussion about anything on the topic of sex that people are apparently stimulated by enough to weigh in by the dozens? Except for the bareback shaming persistently engaged in by 1-2 posters in violation of forum rules, that is.[/QUOTE]
Putting each other on on your ignore lists will end your back and forth with *****man, not end the discussion with others.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2485568]Putting each other on on your ignore lists will end your back and forth with *****man, not end the discussion with others.[/QUOTE]And I can count at least 4-5 other posters who not only weighed in on the topic but quoted my or W-man's comments to do it. Yes, even the "argumentative" parts.

Folks, the fix for changing the subject when you'd rather discuss something else is the same here as everywhere; contribute a post on the topic you'd prefer be discussed and hope it is interesting and stimulating enough to replace the one you don't like. lol.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2485299]I was surprised to see a DJ in the place. Seemed like they could just have a tape or USB playing that music. I doubt anyone would know the difference.[/QUOTE]Most gogo bars have DJs and GT is sounding more like a gogo bar than a BJ bar / G club. They are hoping customers will tip the DJ to play the songs they want to hear. They pay the DJ maybe 300 baht per night and easily recoup that in tips by drunken customers.

There are certain members on this board who for lack of a better phrase HAVE TO HAVE THE LAST WORD! They need to pound their chest and show their balls are bigger. Anyone reading the Thailand forum for long enough will know the common culprits. You don't have to put them on ignore but please try your best not to respond to them because I can guarantee you will get another reply and the cycle will keep repeating indefinitely.

Really wish there was an active Admin person on the Thailand threads that deleted or at least moved any posts unrelated to the thread they are posted under. Yes, this post falls into the category of one of those posts that should be removed!

One of the reasons I never posted any reviews in the Bangkok thread before other than live updates from Thermae was because I figured why waste my time writing something up when it would be buried 3 pages deep within 24 hours. Trash on these threads are a huge deterrent to guys who have relevant information to post.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485595]
One of the reasons I never posted any reviews in the Bangkok thread before other than live updates from Thermae was because I figured why waste my time writing something up when it would be buried 3 pages deep within 24 hours. Trash on these threads are a huge deterrent to guys who have relevant information to post.[/QUOTE]Show us the example and publish interesting posts.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485593]Most gogo bars have DJs and GT is sounding more like a gogo bar than a BJ bar / G club. They are hoping customers will tip the DJ to play the songs they want to hear. They pay the DJ maybe 300 baht per night and easily recoup that in tips by drunken customers.[/QUOTE]With GT, the past and present I never looked or thought about it DJ, but you and Mr. E is right if there is one then that would swing it for me it is a GoGo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485553]That is exactly why I tried in vain to get W-man off that particular White Knight wannabe hand wringing topic. I assumed one or two more of his repetitive posts about spreading STIs would get him suspended for a while if the admin noticed.[/QUOTE]As I said, I'm not taking sides one way or t'other, but find the whole clutter tiresome. So you (amongst others) have been and will be keeping references incidental rather than the entire subject of your reports? That might stop the "White Knight wannabe"'s chargers in the stables.

I didn't set the guidelines.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2485553]That is exactly why I tried in vain to get W-man off that particular White Knight wannabe hand wringing topic. I assumed one or two more of his repetitive posts about spreading STIs would get him suspended for a while if the admin noticed.[/QUOTE]I'm not criticising you for your safe sex practices. The whole point is that I and most other people who use this forum don't care about your personal safe sex practices any more than we care about your arse wiping practices. I'm criticising your firstly for selfishly spoiling this thread with irrelevant posts about your own sexual dysfunction that nobody else cares about and secondly for posting absurd claims that your 18 month old medical certificate proves you're not spreading infections. You are the anti-social one who has turned two threads into his own personal blog and then started throwing the white knight insult to anyone who challenges that.

If I thought ignoring ET would solve the problem I would do it but it won't because he baits other people so much that it dominates the thread and constitutes a majority of the replies.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2485699]As I said, I'm not taking sides one way or t'other, but find the whole clutter tiresome. So you (amongst others) have been and will be keeping references incidental rather than the entire subject of your reports? That might stop the "White Knight wannabe"'s chargers in the stables.

I didn't set the guidelines.[/QUOTE]Someone please link me to all these supposed posts of mine where BBFS+CIP is the entire subject of my report unless I am replying to or responding to a specific question about it as a topic.

You folks do realize W-man's repeated delusional raving and ranting about that is in no way supported by the facts, right?

I think a few guys here don't get along with ET and trust me ET and I have had our run ins in the past as well. However, ET does post actual relevant reviews and updates on the bar scene. Same applies to those who disliked MP in the past. At least guys like MP and ET provide timely information which is more than I can say for 95% of the guys on here even when you are in Thailand. If you guys don't like what someone says including myself please just ignore it and move on. Don't try to one-up another guy. This is a review board and this is the Pattaya thread.

[QUOTE==*****man;2484989]Your mental struggles are hilarious. To follow your bizarre logic, if I have a Covid-19 test from 11 months ago, this proves that I don't have Covid-19 now. The image I have of you sitting in your underpants with one old medical certificate in each hand trying to convince a girl that this proves it's safe to bareback is comical.

Anyway, you made exactly the same point about Covid-19 months ago which I replied to back then and you didn't have an argument against so I don't know why you're repeating it now. Maybe your memory is failing?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2458720&viewfull=1#post2458720[/URL][URL=https://4kpornindex.com]/[/URL][/QUOTE]A waste of time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485904]I think a few guys here don't get along with ET and trust me ET and I have had our run ins in the past as well. However, ET does post actual relevant reviews and updates on the bar scene. Same applies to those who disliked MP in the past. At least guys like MP and ET provide timely information which is more than I can say for 95% of the guys on here even when you are in Thailand. If you guys don't like what someone says including myself please just ignore it and move on. Don't try to one-up another guy. This is a review board and this is the Pattaya thread.[/QUOTE]I agree BB, there is little on the forum nowadays that helps with the who, where, what, how much and that usually comes from infrequent posters. For reasons which I can only put down to egotistical narcissism some members wake up in the morning with an overwhelming need to tell us in a vainglorious style how they spent the day or the night before. Because they obviously get gratuitous satisfaction from this perhaps even more if it generates some push back nothing will deter them from continuing. That said ISG is a public forum. We are all entitled to our point of view on topics being discussed, we can comment on whether they should be appear on this thread or that thread or indeed on any thread but trying to police the forum is pointless. As mentioned so so often if one doesn't like what one sees as Bob Seegar said Turn The Page.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2485285]1500 baht from a Baccara quality main floor girl would be a steal. Not so much for the 2nd floor girls. Did any of your buddies actually take a girl to a room in the club?[/QUOTE]Yeah my buddy just confirmed that rooms at Golden Times are 500 and the chicks may ask 2000, but they will gladly accept 1000. This is for 2 hours. He said he usually finishes with them in 40 minutes though.

I met up with M. P. Last night for a meal first at Cheap Charlie's although our age is a few generation aparts it really isn't age when it comes to mongering. We talked mostly about how the game is played although older I know I'm generation short of pussy under my belt compare to him we didn't talk old times that would be more suited if I was talking to his dad.

Good or bad evening? During dinner I noticed an older Thai lady sitting and eating with a Farang in front of us somehow while eyeing a nice looking massage girl next door I couldn't stop thinking where have I seen this old lady before now when I say old she isn't older than me. As we got ready to pay the bill decided to have a visit and a drink at Golden Time it came to me this lady was the mother of one of my renters who knows my wife well had me thinking WTF lucky I was with M. P. And not a another lady.

During dinner we discussed that Bacarra on W. S. Was having a Grand opening the 25th, Friday of September as discussed earlier GT has many girls from Bacarra working plus the manager and head mamasan. As we got ready to walk in we were met by the Thai manager of Bacarra in our short conversation he said this was his last night and that he will be returning to Bacarra. We both kind of noticed the manager was a bit surprise we knew each other M. P. Joke you didn't know this is my father. As we got seated a few girls from Bacarra recognized me I think they were all surprised that I was with M. P. I ask them if they knew him and all said " oh yes. ".

In our short time there one thing M. P. We would never pick the same girls not only are our age different but our taste. Not saying his taste is bad but his girls are young and top in looks and body figure I wouldn't turn them away but I'm completely opposite I like them older and there were plenty there to satisfy me in that category I also like them with a bit more meat on the bones. My last visit a week or so ago there was a girl who knew who I was where I live plus knowing my wife, after being seated a girl near me bent over and said " you remember me " she didn't seem to be working but there to visit her friend which was the one who recognized me the last time in the end she is a neighbor along with one of the other servers. So this pretty much put the brakes on any extra activity no staring no touching nothing! Luckily I had M. P. As a excuse as to why I was out tonight. Unless something changes this place is off limits to me in the future expecially if alone.

The rest of my visit was catching up with ladies I haven't seen in a while along with the head mamasan while I think M. P. Was sizing up future perspectives. In conversation with the Mamasan the BJ booth at the corner is still there but no curtain for that service she confirm they do have a short time room as noted by Mr. E, 500 baht and girl 2000? If you want to take the girl out it is 1200 BF. The head mamasan of Bacarra prior to Virus will not be returning to run the show she indicate Bacarra wanted to start new and to hired all young and new to compete with Pin Up? Many of the old will not be returning to Bacarra and staying at GT. It should be noted that one of the silent partners of the Happy Group son is part owner of GT?

Under these conditions I am ok to do quarantine :)

[URL]https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2020/09/23/spa-massage-parlors-may-double-as-quarantine-for-foreign-tourists/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2486321]Yeah my buddy just confirmed that rooms at Golden Times are 500 and the chicks may ask 2000, but they will gladly accept 1000. This is for 2 hours. He said he usually finishes with them in 40 minutes though.[/QUOTE]Upstairs Baccarra girls accepting 1,000. I'm cool with that.

They aren't all that inspiring. LOL.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2486428]Under these conditions I am ok to do quarantine :)

[URL]https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2020/09/23/spa-massage-parlors-may-double-as-quarantine-for-foreign-tourists/[/URL][/QUOTE]Chartered flight in? How does that work? From Hawaii I need to rent my own 747? That's expensive.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2486321]Yeah my buddy just confirmed that rooms at Golden Times are 500 and the chicks may ask 2000, but they will gladly accept 1000. This is for 2 hours. He said he usually finishes with them in 40 minutes though.[/QUOTE]My understanding is the nicer Baccara girls won't go upstairs for that price but it's a moot point anyways since the Baccara girls won't be there moving forward.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2486359]As we got seated a few girls from Bacarra recognized me I think they were all surprised that I was with M. P. I ask them if they knew him and all said " oh yes. "[/QUOTE]It is funny at times when you are seen with MP by girls for the first time. My favorite was when my favorite Sensations waitress walked up to both of us and said "How does a nice guy like you know someone like <pointing to MP>".

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2486476]Chartered flight in? How does that work? From Hawaii I need to rent my own 747? That's expensive.[/QUOTE]I feel with millions out of work, thousands of businesses failing, hundreds of billions wiped off the stock market, they can no longer remain tone deaf. Pressure is growing to like most other countries open up in an intelligent meaningful way. There will no doubt be risk involved but it can be managed. To continue as is will bring irreparable harm that will take years to recover from. Hard to fathom why they are behaving the way they are.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2486584]My understanding is the nicer Baccara girls won't go upstairs for that price but it's a moot point anyways since the Baccara girls won't be there moving forward.

It is funny at times when you are seen with MP by girls for the first time. My favorite was when my favorite Sensations waitress walked up to both of us and said "How does a nice guy like you know someone like <pointing to MP>".[/QUOTE]I found MP, to be a very nice guy and polite I think they actually believe MP was my son?

Here is my report on my favorite Gentlemen's Club in Pattaya. Just a little background. I was 2 years into a trip around the world when Covid broke out so I decided to just get a retirement visa here in Thailand. I just received my visa last week and am good now for 15 months. Might as well try to make the best out of a world turned upside down. I turned 62 the other day so there was only one place that I wanted to spend my birthday. Kinnaree's Place in Jomtien. I often frequent gentlemen's clubs here in Pattaya and Kinnaree's is my favorite hands down. I lived in Rio for a few years and it is the closest thing to a terma I. E. 4 x4, Luomo, and Solarium. Just don't like Go Go bars and beer bars because of the bad music and also girls are just too young. They maybe hotter but in my experience not great service. I like to relax on a sofa with a cutie and every gentlemen's club will have an area like this. I had every intention of doing a threesome and enjoying the Hamburger and Sausage buffet served every Wednesday. Saturday and Sundays are more expensive buffets with a BBQ and Sunday Carvery.

Layout.

3 seperate main rooms with sofas, large tables with stools, and 3 bar areas with red lights giving more of a Bordello feel. No loud music. Several large private rooms outfitted with Bathrooms, showers, and strategically placed mirrors. Some of them have sofas. They do have a limited menu besides the buffets. No tv's anywhere so your total focus is on the girls.

Girls.

There were about 35 girls and probably 15 to 20 guys in the midafternoon. So the place was packed as one of the bar areas was closed. Really wide range from 20 to 40 yrs old with most of the girls around 25 to 32. The only thing I can say about the variety is that there was some fuckin' pussy here. Girls in sexy dresses and some were wearing lingerie. Most 6 to 8 range with one 9. Hardly any tattoo's on the girls which is a huge plus in my book. Lot's of silicone which I don't really mind.

My Experience.

Chatted with a few girls when I turned around in my stool and saw this real sexy 27 yr. Old with long wavy hair and huge pouty lips. I decided that I wasn't going to do a threesome and wanted to devote all my attention to this girl. So I waved her over and bought her a lady drink for the 'interview'. She wanted to know why I didn't like her friend who I was talking to earlier. She said they make a good team because they both liked to eat pussy! Oh my Buddha! Ok I'm sold so back to a threesome. Waved her friend back over and bought her a lady drink. It didn't take me long to decide to take both of them (Meen? And Rye) back to a room. Had to wait 10 minutes because all of the rooms were taken and one was being cleaned. Only one pop but there was no way I could have done 2. Not sure if it was available. I was totally exhausted after about 45 minutes.

Cost.

This pricing is almost the norm for all of the Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya and I have been to many. There are some clubs with lower lady prices ($22) but the lady drinks and 'bar fines' are almost all of the same. I will price this in US dollars for more clarity. Since I spent more than $25 on drinks and bar fines they comped me the buffet.

2 lady drinks = $8.

2 bar fines = $22.

2 beers = $6.

2 girls = $62.

Buffet = free. (Normally priced at $8 for Wednesdays).

Baht bus to and from = 60 cents.

Total price for the afternoon $98.60.

Me and Rye licking Meen's pussy at the same time and sitting on the headboard while both girls kneeling sucking me off and watching them in the mirror at the front of the bed. Priceless!

GC clubs don't get a lot of attention on this forum but here is a list of my other favorites. There's a few more that I want to go to especially in the Jomtien area. Luv ya Pattaya!

1. Kinnaree's Place.

2. Babylon.

3. Maggy Mays.

4. Excite club.

5. Telephone Bar.

6. The Den.

7. The Cave.

8. Naughty club.

9. 555.

10. Baku lounge.

11. Kings Club.

12. Pirate club.

13. Club 4.

14. La Poste.

15. Bada Bing.

16. Camel Toe (avoid).

Nice report. I was in Bangkok and Pattaya to early April this winter but left due to my visa expiration and to attend to personal issues in the states. Of course, after I left the Thai government provided an amnesty until September 26, which theoretically would have allowed me to stay until that date. Like you, I am old enough and have the necessary financial liquidity, and, as such, able to get a retirement visa and would probably have applied except I needed to leave for reasons noted above. As we all know, once you leave you can't return in these Covid times. It's something I regret virtually every day, your monsoon season not withstanding.

However, I had to chuckle at your list of gentleman clubs to visit. The only one I have been was #16 CamelToe, which you note to avoid and I could not agree more. Just a woeful experience. If I ever get back though, I will check out some of the others you recommended.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2486676]Here is my report on my favorite Gentlemen's Club in Pattaya. Just a little background. I was 2 years into a trip around the world when Covid broke out so I decided to just get a retirement visa here in Thailand. I just received my visa last week and am good now for 15 months. Might as well try to make the best out of a world turned upside down. I turned 62 the other day so there was only one place that I wanted to spend my birthday. Kinnaree's Place in Jomtien. I often frequent gentlemen's clubs here in Pattaya and Kinnaree's is my favorite hands down. I lived in Rio for a few years and it is the closest thing to a terma I. E. 4 x4, Luomo, and Solarium. Just don't like Go Go bars and beer bars because of the bad music and also girls are just too young. They maybe hotter but in my experience not great service. I like to relax on a sofa with a cutie and every gentlemen's club will have an area like this. I had every intention of doing a threesome and enjoying the Hamburger and Sausage buffet served every Wednesday. Saturday and Sundays are more expensive buffets with a BBQ and Sunday Carvery.

Layout.

3 seperate main rooms with sofas, large tables with stools, and 3 bar areas with red lights giving more of a Bordello feel. No loud music. Several large private rooms outfitted with Bathrooms, showers, and strategically placed mirrors. Some of them have sofas. They do have a limited menu besides the buffets. No tv's anywhere so your total focus is on the girls.

Girls.

There were about 35 girls and probably 15 to 20 guys in the midafternoon. So the place was packed as one of the bar areas was closed. Really wide range from 20 to 40 yrs old with most of the girls around 25 to 32. The only thing I can say about the variety is that there was some fuckin' pussy here. Girls in sexy dresses and some were wearing lingerie. Most 6 to 8 range with one 9. Hardly any tattoo's on the girls which is a huge plus in my book. Lot's of silicone which I don't really mind.

My Experience.

Chatted with a few girls when I turned around in my stool and saw this real sexy 27 yr. Old with long wavy hair and huge pouty lips. I decided that I wasn't going to do a threesome and wanted to devote all my attention to this girl. So I waved her over and bought her a lady drink for the 'interview'. She wanted to know why I didn't like her friend who I was talking to earlier. She said they make a good team because they both liked to eat pussy! Oh my Buddha! Ok I'm sold so back to a threesome. Waved her friend back over and bought her a lady drink. It didn't take me long to decide to take both of them (Meen? And Rye) back to a room. Had to wait 10 minutes because all of the rooms were taken and one was being cleaned. Only one pop but there was no way I could have done 2. Not sure if it was available. I was totally exhausted after about 45 minutes.

Cost.

This pricing is almost the norm for all of the Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya and I have been to many. There are some clubs with lower lady prices ($22) but the lady drinks and 'bar fines' are almost all of the same. I will price this in US dollars for more clarity. Since I spent more than $25 on drinks and bar fines they comped me the buffet.

2 lady drinks = $8.

2 bar fines = $22.

2 beers = $6.

2 girls = $62.

Buffet = free. (Normally priced at $8 for Wednesdays).

Baht bus to and from = 60 cents.

Total price for the afternoon $98.60.

Me and Rye licking Meen's pussy at the same time and sitting on the headboard while both girls kneeling sucking me off and watching them in the mirror at the front of the bed. Priceless!

GC clubs don't get a lot of attention on this forum but here is a list of my other favorites. There's a few more that I want to go to especially in the Jomtien area. Luv ya Pattaya!

1. Kinnaree's Place.

2. Babylon.

3. Maggy Mays.

4. Excite club.

5. Telephone Bar.

6. The Den.

7. The Cave.

8. Naughty club.

9. 555.

10. Baku lounge.

11. Kings Club.

12. Pirate club.

13. Club 4.

14. La Poste.

15. Bada Bing.

16. Camel Toe (avoid).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2486676]Here is my report on my favorite Gentlemen's Club in Pattaya. Just a little background. I was 2 years into a trip around the world when Covid broke out so I decided to just get a retirement visa here in Thailand. I just received my visa last week and am good now for 15 months. Might as well try to make the best out of a world turned upside down. I turned 62 the other day so there was only one place that I wanted to spend my birthday. Kinnaree's Place in Jomtien. I often frequent gentlemen's clubs here in Pattaya and Kinnaree's is my favorite hands down. I lived in Rio for a few years and it is the closest thing to a terma I. E. 4 x4, Luomo, and Solarium. Just don't like Go Go bars and beer bars because of the bad music and also girls are just too young. They maybe hotter but in my experience not great service. I like to relax on a sofa with a cutie and every gentlemen's club will have an area like this. I had every intention of doing a threesome and enjoying the Hamburger and Sausage buffet served every Wednesday. Saturday and Sundays are more expensive buffets with a BBQ and Sunday Carvery.

Layout.

3 seperate main rooms with sofas, large tables with stools, and 3 bar areas with red lights giving more of a Bordello feel. No loud music. Several large private rooms outfitted with Bathrooms, showers, and strategically placed mirrors. Some of them have sofas. They do have a limited menu besides the buffets. No tv's anywhere so your total focus is on the girls.

Girls.

There were about 35 girls and probably 15 to 20 guys in the midafternoon. So the place was packed as one of the bar areas was closed. Really wide range from 20 to 40 yrs old with most of the girls around 25 to 32. The only thing I can say about the variety is that there was some fuckin' pussy here. Girls in sexy dresses and some were wearing lingerie. Most 6 to 8 range with one 9. Hardly any tattoo's on the girls which is a huge plus in my book. Lot's of silicone which I don't really mind..[/QUOTE]I am a Sgt in the price police. In an establishment with what you consider hot girls. 6-9 s can be attractive.

You paid less than $100 for 2 naked Hotties.

Hmmmmmmm.

Thanks for your report Rio. I heard Kinnaree was shutting down. Guess those were only rumors. Glad to see it's alive and well. Many of my best Thailand experiences were with Kinnaree girls. Without Kinnaree I would have never met my personal taxi driver, a retired and the hottest Kinnaree girl there was. Kinnaree is a good first G Club to go to in Pattaya. Yes Camel Toe can be scary but there are worst ones not on your list. Actually, 2 years ago Camel Toe had a really nice girl but it was so difficult to get there I barely went to visit her.

Some obvious places left off your list like LE Passion, Heaven, Kit Kat, etc. Not sure if they're still open. Same with the other Soi Full Love Inn bars and M Club. Are they all closed? Still more like Seahorse, Huntsman, etc which I never visited.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2486775]Some obvious places left off your list like LE Passion, Heaven, Kit Kat, etc. Not sure if they're still open. Same with the other Soi Full Love Inn bars and M Club. Are they all closed? Still more like Seahorse, Huntsman, etc which I never visited.[/QUOTE]They are all open. I did not even know the Blue Olive was renamed Huntsman until I was in there last week and saw it on the wall.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2486775]

Some obvious places left off your list like LE Passion, Heaven, Kit Kat, etc. Not sure if they're still open. Same with the other Soi Full Love Inn bars and M Club. Are they all closed? Still more like Seahorse, Huntsman, etc which I never visited.[/QUOTE]Well, I've only been living here in Pattaya for 2 1/2 months and Sea Horse and Passion are on my list. But I had my eye on 2 other girls in Kinnaree so those places may have to wait. I do need to make an amendment to my total pricing. I left off a $5 tip to the bar staff. So total cost was 103.60!

Backkara opening up Friday.

This must mean borders opening up soon. LOL.

I like to think big business know more than we do. They have a Hotline to the PM.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2486676] I will price this in US dollars for more clarity. [/QUOTE]Actually it would have been clearer to quote prices in Thai Baht, because a substantial part of the board members is not American. If you quote prices in THB then everybody knows immediately how much that (approximately) is in their own currency. If you quote prices in USD then they first have to convert them to their own currency and then convert the outcome to THB.

I agree with the report on Kinarree, although I've been to many other GC my biggest problem is many of the others there are never really any customer plus just me but I'm not into watching some guy get his dick suck in front of others I a get a room type of guy.

The other is the pricing all the freelancers seem to know 350 for the room 1000 to the girl, I never go on food days, Wednesday, Sat and Sunday too many people and many are just cock blocking buying drinks eating and taking their time. If your bill I forget something like 1200 then the food is free. The rooms are nice but their are a few that need new mattresses many of the girls bounce around and don't Freelance all the time so if you like one get their contact otherwise you might never see them again. I've run into a few that claim they worked at What's Up, once I had eye on one from Annabelles GoGo but never got around to BF her then one day I run into her surprise because of the set pricing 1000 for ST.

I haven't been there yet after the Virus but I wouldn't be surprise they are getting lots of Freelancer I find it more enjoyable going on non food days although they have food even on off days like burgers and pull pork sandwiches you got to be really hungry to throw down 350 for a below average sandwich. This place is like a box of chocolate you never know what is going to show up.

End of the year it was reported that the land in which the house Kinarree runs was sold and a condo was to be build I was going to make a visit to find out from the owner if this was true but then the Virus shut things down I will make a trip and try to confirm the rumor and report back.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2487036]' I never go on food days, Wednesday, Sat and Sunday too many people and many are just cock blocking buying drinks eating and taking their time.up.[/QUOTE]Will have to try that. Since it was my birthday I wanted a one stop shopping experience. Fully belly, cleaned pipes, and a shit eatin' grin for two days. I do have to say the Thai chili sausage and Thai garlic sausage was frickin awesome.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2487036] This place is like a box of chocolate you never know what is going to show up.[/QUOTE]Funny thing. After I left there I went to the Chocolate Factory and had the most decadent chocolate dessert they had with a dirty vodka martini. After I ordered I could see them huddling and 2 came back over to confirm my order. LOL.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2486917]I left off a $5 tip to the bar staff. So total cost was 103.60![/QUOTE]For which you can expect a serious flaming from the "spoiling the market" brigade and a trolling from the "you Cheap Charlie" community.

From me you'll just get my thanks for the information.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2487122]For which you can expect a serious flaming from the "spoiling the market" brigade and a trolling from the "you Cheap Charlie" community.

From me you'll just get my thanks for the information.[/QUOTE]Not to be a nag. But 2,000 for two girls isn't exactly Charlie Sheen spending.

2,000 baht divide by 2 hot girls is 1,000 per puss.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2487036]I agree with the report on Kinarree, although I've been to many other GC my biggest problem is many of the others there are never really any customer <snip> I never go on food days, Wednesday, Sat and Sunday too many people and many are just cock blocking buying drinks eating and taking their time. If your bill I forget something like 1200 then the food is free. [/QUOTE]I think the only other G club that can come close to Kinnaree in having customers is LE Passion. The place can get pretty busy at times. Pirates can seem busy as well more so because it's such a tiny bar.

I actually quite enjoy the Wednesday and Saturday BBQ food at Kinnaree. It's a 1000 baht minimum on drinks and barfines for free food. Agree it can get busy but girls also know to work on free food days cause guys will show up. I'm sure Kinnaree is still the same that Mondays and Tuesdays are the slow days when most girls do not work.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2487122]For which you can expect a serious flaming from the "spoiling the market" brigade and a trolling from the "you Cheap Charlie" community.
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It's your money so you can do what you want with it but imo there is just zero benefit to tipping a waitress or mamasan unless you're trying to get in to her pants. Remember tipping is not customary in Thailand.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2487285]I think the only other G club that can come close to Kinnaree in having customers is LE Passion. The place can get pretty busy at times. Pirates can seem busy as well more so because it's such a tiny bar.[/QUOTE]I never got the fervor about Kinnaree. Line up is outdated and the vibe is similar as a decade ago. The Mews nearby is more refreshing IMO. But when it comes to real cuties gogo level you can get for a thousand bahts nothing can compare with Babylon. Get there and check the likes of Sa, Ton or Lin. The latter has an awesome body you can't find in another GC. She can finish me in minutes in BJ area.

Passion also has hot ones. I didn't get there for long but I saw a group of hotties in town, only to find out they are Passion girls. I'll pay a visit soon enough.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2486676]Here is my report on my favorite Gentlemen's Club in Pattaya.

Cost.

I will price this in US dollars for more clarity.[/QUOTE]The reason it is customary to quote prices in the local currency is because exchange rates fluctuate, and your reported prices can become quickly out of date. Over the years I have exchanged USD in range of 29 to 40 to the THB. Big difference in cost depending on your timing.

SL.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2486722]I am a Sgt in the price police. In an establishment with what you consider hot girls. 6-9 s can be attractive.

You paid less than $100 for 2 naked Hotties.

Hmmmmmmm.[/QUOTE]Kinnarree is not in Jomtien it's in Pratumnak.

I have not been on here in a long time but have caught up on the posts and sheesh, things are sad in Pattaya due to CV! But as for many of us, this stupid pandemic terminated some ambitious plans I had regarding Thailand this year. I had planned a trip for April / May, and I probably would have come back again in August and certainly again in November / December (for which I still have an active hotel reservation I have not cancelled yet). My last trip to LOS was at the end of 2019 so again, like many of you, I am getting anxious to return. But I am not posting to discuss Thailand opening up again. Oh no. This forum has become boring so I am back to report on "Secret", the Soi 6 bar girl I managed to fall for last year.

For the newbies who may be interested in the story, my first post about her was on April 24,2019, post number 277798. That was before I started calling her Secret, so named as I was secretive about her real name and the bar she worked at. My last post about her, 28637, was posted a few weeks after I returned home in mid-September 2019.

Well, I think my reports were sufficiently clear to show I was trying to see if it was possible to establish a true relationship with a "special" Soi 6 bar girl. The common wisdom is to never attempt such a thing. The internet is full of horror stories, with only a smidgen of successful stories regarding farangs hoping to marry an Issan bar girl (BG). I felt Secret was special as she passed all the tests regarding how a BG out for money would behave in a variety of situations. You guys warned me but each test I gave her she passed. I did end my reporting with some words how I felt about love with a BG. My conclusions from that last post included the following verbatim:

[I]Can real love be found with a bar girl? Apparently the answer is yes, though the story is not over. But it takes work and a lot of understanding. It may require giving her some money (just keep it real). It may also require a lot of luck a heck of a lot of luck and a friend of hers who is on your side. You will need patience, knowing Thai would help, and being fairly well off financially where you can take the girl places so she knows you can take care of her is a huge help. And number one, you need to choose your girl carefully. There are other girls on Soi 6 similar to Secret, but to weed them out takes time and luck. In my case, it was largely luck. Had things been just a bit different, I never would have gone into her bar. I guess, too, you need to appear honest, sincere, caring, reasonably attractive for your age I suppose, well mannered, funny, non- drinker or very light drinker and non-smoker helps, respectful, generous and heck, I don't know what all.


Now, should she and I actually have a relationship? That is a loaded question, but the logical response is no, we should not. But here I am, trying to live out what will be my last chance for passion in a relationship. Is having an affair, essentially, with a woman 30 years younger exciting? Yes, I suppose. Taking her on her first airplane ride, on her first trip to Phuket, on her first cruise? Yes, very exciting. Wise? I don't see how, but I think I will end the discussion here, as to say more quickly becomes unpleasant. [/I]

So, that was a year ago. What about now? Did Secret actually leave the bar as she promised to find legit work or did she stay / return to Pattaya and become a hardened bar girl? Or heck, had she actually been working as a BG for years and was playing me like fiddle?! But if she did leave Pattaya and did find legit work, did she come to dislike the long hours and low pay and come to miss the excitement and money Pattaya offered and decide to go back? Were you guys right and she was lying that entire time to me, or did I finally come to my senses and dump here before she took all my money? Where is she now, or do I even know or do I even care for that matter? Did she finally fall for me but I ran out of money so she dumped me when I could not afford an engagement ring? Did I discover she had other men sending her money and were seeing her in or outside of Pattaya, or was I truly the only one as she said? Did she get me to buy her a fancy car, pay for boob job and nose job and is now living with her Thai boyfriend in a house I built for her on the land she had a mortgage on that I paid off? Did I dump her after finding she was on Thai Friendly in Bangkok and she later begged me to take her back? Did I meet her mother who offered me her 17 year old virgin daughter if I married Secret? Or, are we in love and waiting for the pandemic to end so I can go marry her and see my baby son whom we created in Phuket last November?

I will provide answers. I will also give some suggestions and advice for those men who fall for a Bar Girl (BG) to help them discover what your "special" girl is actually up to, and how to decide if she is for real or, more likely, a fake or one simply leading you on for as long as you want to be led on. I mean, many of us manage to fall for a Thai BG and get taken as we are blinded by our love and cannot fathom the extent some of these girls will go to get your money.

So let me mention two YouTube blog sites regarding farangs, love and bar girls in Thailand. Many of you are probably familiar with the YouTube channel "Land of Smiles" blog with Simon, a former Pattaya bar manager. He tells some eye-opening stories about what Isan farm girls, corrupted by the life of a bar girl and hungry for money, can do to hapless gentlemen who just wants to find happiness with an attractive younger woman who will tell him what he wants to hear. (And the stories are hardly limited bar ladies.) His stories can take months for him to tell, but some will blow you way. There is also Mike on "Thailand Bound". He just tells the story over minutes vs. Months. Any man finding themselves falling for a bar girl should listen to some of these stories by Mike and Simon. Even if you think your particular girl "is different", you can hear actual stories where the man thought the same thing but ended up getting crushed in multiple and very creative ways! Hearing stories from both after I last left Pattaya has caused a few uncomfortable moments where I have to stop and think if Secret was acting like some of those deceitful girls. Fortunately, I do have a logical mind that generally self-limits my stupidity, and you may read of some that in my stories. But despite the doom and gloom predictions of falling for a BG, there is that rare exception. And for sure, there is one story Simon tells where you think the girl is pure evil but, in the end, things proved to be quite different. I was fighting back the tears watching it. Was Secret like that woman and I had tears of happiness for sticking with her? Or were my tears because she wasn't and my heart still breaks?

Before I start, let me provide some preliminary advice that has guided me along this journey. As I said in my original reports, "Actions speak louder than words. " FL Hawk's corollary to that is "If she acts like a BG, she is a BG. " If you fall for a BG, ALWAYS ask yourself if she is acting like a BG or more like a girlfriend (GF) or, at least, acting like how a potential or future girlfriend would act. Trust but verify. Keep a record of your interactions so, in a moment of sanity, you can go back and read them with a fresh mind. I use this forum to document original encounters. If you do that and find later that your original description of her is horrifying to you, take heed. That could be who she actually is, especially if she is still acting like that (as a BG). I saved the vast majority of my Line texts I had Secret, which has been helpful to remember things (in case she tries to change a story on you months later). And of course, watch what you spend. Think of money you spend on her as entertainment. Never spend more than you can afford to lose. I sometimes spent a little just to keep things going or see what might happen. Some might call it gambling. Think of the odds of success when you give out money and always make sure you are left with enough funds at the end so you could do it all over again. The worst would be win her then get dumped when she finds you have spent all the money!

Anyway, with that bit of preliminary advice and some background, I am ready to proceed with the rest of the Secret story. I will say I have a number of stories to tell that I think will prove entertaining. I am kind of amazed looking back. I do think it may be fun to first hear from you guys about what you think happened, or is happening. Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.

Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival

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[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682]I have not been on here in a long time.[/QUOTE]You remind me of my buddy, falls in love too easily. He comes out of the room and tells how lovey his girl was, how she kissed and let him hold her. Half hour later I take her in the room and come out to tell him it was a porn star experience and she put her finger up my arse. They play the game whichever way its needed to be played in order to get the money. This board isn't for love stories, its for girls sticking their fingers where they don't belong. Pattaya is sin city not the love boat. You want the love boat find a province girl. Its like the college athlete going pro, putting his name in the NFL draft. Once you turn pro you always a pro. Can't go back to college and be the star on that football team anymore. Pattaya has a 'CLOSED' sign on it right now and it won't reopen until the weekend millionaires get back on the ground. Sad to say but this pandemic has created so many starving and desperate girls willing to do anything to provide food for their family, way more than the normal amount.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682]...Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.[/QUOTE]I'll make a prediction. If you haven't broken up yet, you will before the 3 year mark. 1-year is a short time for converting a BG to a reasonable lover for a western man. I do wish you the best of success with Secret.

I have one friend that married an Isaan BG and brought her to USA. After 1 year getting a fiance visa and 2 years of wedded bliss, he took her back to Isaan to visit her family. She got the itch for strange cock, got caught with a Thai man, and my friend left her ass at grandmother's rice farm. Divorced her in USA on the grounds of desertion.

I still talk to a past Thai girlfriend, high class girl (Thai real estate owner, USA real estate owner, former Thai government employee, now 20+ years USA citizen). She is now happily married to a wealthy American. She not only warns me about falling for a BG, but she warns me about any Isaan girl who works in the tourism industry (hotels, airport, restaurants, massage, tour guides, etc.). She encourages me to have all the fun I want with Thai girls in the tourism industry, but never try to have a relationship with any of them.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2489723]You remind me of my buddy, falls in love too easily. He comes out of the room and tells how lovey his girl was, how she kissed and let him hold her.[/QUOTE]555 I do the same thing. But after ST together, I toss her out of my hotel and rest so I can do it again the next day. I must admit that I sent a few thousand baht to a couple of girls at the beginning of COVID, but stopped doing it as soon as they had a chance to get back to their home villages and live with family.

One way to test out any bargirl is to have a buddy she has never seen you with test her out. This may be difficult for some of you self proclaimed good looking guys but try to get a guy better looking and younger than you. Don't get guys with a comb over like myself. Have your buddy see her for as many sessions as you did and pay her/buy her things/make the same promises as you did and see what her reaction is. I will almost bet the farm her reaction to your buddy will be the same reaction you get.

FL, hope things work out with you and Secret. You know me. I'm always super skeptical about these things.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2489866]One way to test out any bargirl is to have a buddy she has never seen you with test her out. [/QUOTE]The easiest way to test a girl, any girl, is to take her to a social event with people of all backgrounds present. If the only girls who talk to her or she can hold a conversation with are money hungry harlots then run. If decent girls speak to her and she naturally gravitates to them, then she is a keeper.

Any girl can fool foreigners but other Thais will have her sussed 5 seconds after she enters the room and will act accordingly.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2489723]You remind me of my buddy, falls in love too easily.... Pattaya is sin city not the love boat. .[/QUOTE]Its a bit long winded but he has got me hooked on his story. I know two girls that left working in Pattaya and went back to work in factories in Bang Bo and Samut Prakan 12 hours a day 6 days a week and its not because they were ugly it was because they didn't like the work. I think they thought they would come to Pattaya and get hooked up with a foreigner fast. I have seen girls go off to Italy or Norway with guys and they are usually back in a year or so. One hasn't come back though and man was she good. Still think about her. If any of you remember Malee from Ruby club. She seems to have made a go of it with a guy from the UK and good for both of them. Agree with you for the most part though.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2489869]Any girl can fool foreigners but other Thais will have her sussed 5 seconds after she enters the room and will act accordingly.[/QUOTE]There are no girls fooling foreigners. There are only foreigners fooling themselves. What you said holds in many many countries. Foreigner travels around the globe. Finds a hooker that he likes and decides to do nice things with her like go to a nice restaurant for dinner. He considers himself as stylin and profilin while all the locals in the vicinity are wondering what that guy is doing in a fine establishment like this with that hooker.

Back in February me and my girlfriend were driving around Brazil and stopped in a nice restaurant in a minor city. There was a 70 year old local man with like a 25 year old chick and my girlfriend whispered to me look at that guy with that hooker. We have a tendency to fantasize and romanticize, when to others (especially locals) it is as plain as day.

Besides, if you are paying barfines and shelling out money to this chick really what other proof do you need? You don't need any freakin tests. It is like the waking up a man pretending to be sleep saying. You know what you have yourself into. Why act like that is not what it is?

We have heard it all too many times: My hooker is different. Show up without money to see how different your hooker really is. If there is no more play when there is no more pay, then how was that different? You just have a regular old hooker like all the rest of the regular old hookers. Now excuse me while I go out to drive my Ferrari that everyone else in my neighborhood for some reason sees as just a normal Toyota.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682] I do think it may be fun to first hear from you guys about what you think happened, or is happening. Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.[/QUOTE]I think you're still in a relationship with her and she probably did put some effort for you.

But I don't think that relationship would go anywhere far, except maybe if she considers you like a friend with benefit and has learned to respect you, but not like a boyfriend.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2489820]...............I still talk to a past Thai girlfriend, high class girl (Thai real estate owner, USA real estate owner, former Thai government employee, now 20+ years USA citizen). She is now happily married to a wealthy American. She not only warns me about falling for a BG, but she warns me about any Isaan girl who works in the tourism industry (hotels, airport, restaurants, massage, tour guides, etc.). She encourages me to have all the fun I want with Thai girls in the tourism industry, but never try to have a relationship with any of them.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]In my last trip to Thailand in 2015 I hooked up with a girl I met online who was a tour guide. I rate her as a 7. She was the perfect companion, if she was a 9 or 10 I believe I would have married her.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490022]In my last trip to Thailand in 2015 I hooked up with a girl I met online who was a tour guide. I rate her as a 7. She was the perfect companion, if she was a 9 or 10 I believe I would have married her.[/QUOTE]And her Thai husband and both their extended families would have been far wealthier.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490022]In my last trip to Thailand in 2015 I hooked up with a girl I met online who was a tour guide. I rate her as a 7. She was the perfect companion, if she was a 9 or 10 I believe I would have married her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2490046]And her Thai husband and both their extended families would have been far wealthier.[/QUOTE]Yep, that happened with one of my friends. He married a Thai woman (without papers), then her Thai husband (and friends) showed up and encouraged my friend to leave Thailand without his valuables.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682]Anyway, with that bit of preliminary advice and some background, I am ready to proceed with the rest of the Secret story. I will say I have a number of stories to tell that I think will prove entertaining. I am kind of amazed looking back. I do think it may be fun to first hear from you guys about what you think happened, or is happening. Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.[/QUOTE]We're roughly the same age and we both seem to have boundless energy. Here's hoping that your tale has a happy ending.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682]I do think it may be fun to first hear from you guys about what you think happened, or is happening. Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.[/QUOTE]My guess is you are still communicating with her and sending very modest sums of cash to her. Just guessing here that you are still trying to find out if she is the one or not. Is she playing you? Probably a little bit but she my not be sure about what she wants either.

Many of us who have traveled to LOS have been through this dilemma. In most cases our relationships don't get as far along as you have. We just drop her and move on to the next one. Is that coming to our senses? Probably. Good luck FL Hawk you deserve the best.

[QUOTE=David2;2490057]We're roughly the same age and we both seem to have boundless energy. Here's hoping that your tale has a happy ending.[/QUOTE]If I recall Hawk is one old fella while the Girl isn't.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682] Please feel free to state your predictions based on what has happened thus far, and I will invite updated predictions along the way.[/QUOTE]"You can be at their feet. On their knees. But never in their hands. ".

Talleyrand (1754 - 1838).

[QUOTE=Allover;2490060]My guess is you are still communicating with her and sending very modest sums of cash to her. Just guessing here that you are still trying to find out if she is the one or not. Is she playing you? Probably a little bit but she my not be sure about what she wants either.

Many of us who have traveled to LOS have been through this dilemma. In most cases our relationships don't get as far along as you have. We just drop her and move on to the next one. Is that coming to our senses? Probably. Good luck FL Hawk you deserve the best.[/QUOTE]Giving many different women cash for sex is very enjoyable but there comes a time in a man's life when he must settle down. Dying alone is not nice. Marrying an American woman is not an option.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490338] Dying alone is not nice.[/QUOTE]It's still better than living with someone who wants you to die.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490338]Giving many different women cash for sex is very enjoyable but there comes a time in a man's life when he must settle down. Dying alone is not nice. Marrying an American woman is not an option.[/QUOTE]That is exactly my position. The American born women are not what I want and there are too few available Asian born women in America. I don't want to live in Asia and bringing an Asian woman to USA has proven dangers. I may be destined to travel to Thailand as long as I can fuck and then die alone.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2490299]"You can be at their feet. On their knees. But never in their hands. ".

Talleyrand (1754 - 1838).[/QUOTE]The quote is actually "You can be at their feet. Their knees. But not in their hands. ".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490338]Dying alone is not nice.[/QUOTE]Every human being on this planet was born alone (besides twins) and will die alone!

Every! You can not change this!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2490394]there are too few available Asian born women in America. bringing an Asian woman to USA has proven dangers.[/QUOTE]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2490398]The quote is actually "You can be at their feet. Their knees. But not in their hands. ".[/QUOTE]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490404]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?[/QUOTE]I thought that it was rather obvious what he meant, he want Asian women but don't want to be the one bringing them to the US given all the time and problems that would arise. Not all confusing to me. He could move to Sweden, it's full of Thai ladies.

If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2490413]If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.[/QUOTE]A guy has to be out of his god damn mind to even contemplate marrying one of these girls. I don't care how nice they are or how much "love" you think there is in the relationship. Love them, live with them, support them if you like for however long the relationship stays fresh, but marriage eventually becomes a prison and potentially financial suicide UNLESS you have a prenup, but if you went to all the trouble of getting a prenup, why fall for a marriage game in the first place. It's crazy. Live Free! Nothing lasts forever.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490404]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2490406]I thought that it was rather obvious what he meant, he want Asian women but don't want to be the one bringing them to the US given all the time and problems that would arise. Not all confusing to me. He could move to Sweden, it's full of Thai ladies.[/QUOTE]ShooBree is exactly right.

It is also impossible to live in different hemispheres and get to know each other well enough for marriage. A couple months of holiday visits isn't the same thing as living together. And make no mistake, the fiancée visa is the only workable way for most of us to bring an Asian woman to America.

As was pointed out by Beijing4987 and Natty Bumpo, if you bring a woman to USA you have certain financial responsibilities and you absolutely need a prenup. When time comes to enforce the prenup (when, not if), it might be impossible to convince a court that a Thai woman even understood the prenup when she signed it before moving to America.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2490417]A guy has to be out of his god damn mind to even contemplate marrying one of these girls....[/QUOTE]If you mean P4P girls, I agree. But, Thailand has many good women that farang punters seldom meet.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2490413]If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.[/QUOTE]I did a lot of research on this a couple of decades ago and, at that time, the deal was if you were the person arranging for a fiance visa and the lady stayed in the USA either as your wife or never married you or anyone else, you were on the hook for any costs to the state or federal government for her (or his) medical bills, housing, food, support, whatever. The USA Government was not interested in somebody being brought to the country and plopped down on the street for other taxpayers to foot the bills to support until they either became a U.S. citizen or get deported.

And I don't recall there being any 10 year time limit on your financial responsibilities in those days. It stretched until and if she became a USA Citizen. Then she was on her own in terms of financial responsibility.

If she didn't marry you but married someone else in the USA, "tag", he was now IT and assumed the responsibility until and if she became a USA Citizen.

Again, that was a couple of decades ago. Maybe it has changed since then. But I would proceed as though that is the way it still is unless I see it spelled out otherwise in clear and plain language on those visa sponsor forms I would be signing.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2490369]It's still better than living with someone who wants you to die.[/QUOTE]Funny.

Couple of you tubers building houses in the village.

One old farang is building a $400,000 home in a $30,000 neighborhood. At least he has been married a long time.

The woman's family must be salivating.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2490438]If you mean P4P girls, I agree. But, Thailand has many good women that farang punters seldom meet.[/QUOTE]Looks like they don't want to meet them. Even though you can chat up normal ladies by the ton and it is even easy to fuck most of them, it seems that most guys who post here are fixated on the bars and gogos and not into meeting any "good women". So they find a bar or gogo girl that they like and they think they will be able to turn her into a good woman. Go figure. From my experience bar girls are good for 2 things: partying and fucking. If you are trying to do anything other than that with them then you are wasting your time.

Ok, let's get on with the story regarding Secret and I, taking up things from last September when we both left Pattaya.

So, did Secret actually leave Pattaya and go find non-adult work? Yes, she did, but not yet. Her trip home was delayed due to heavy rain and flooding which closed off a highway, but she made it back. Before she left, there was heaving rain in Isan and her mother told her there might be some damage to the house and the rice crops, which was worrisome to her. Now, a BG might have used this flooding as an excuse to ask for money from her boyfriend. And even though Secret had never asked me for money, she was now "retired" with no income source and, with my new knowledge that her friend and roommate was a hardened BG, might she have advised Secret to try to get money out of me? I actually would have been surprised if she had asked, but if she did, what would I do?

And this leads to a moral dilemma and a trap that brings doom upon the hapless gentleman who has fallen for a hardened BG. To help or not to help? If you have the means to help your "special" lady in need, and she is the one you want to marry or at least explore a relationship with in which you will take care of her (e. G. Spend money on her) at some point, why would you not help her? If her family may starve or lose the farm because you won't help them replace their dying water buffalo, then how can you say you love her? Why would she not dump you then and there if her need was real and you would not help? If you can't take care of her, why should she waste time on you? (Or, from a different perspective, if you have stopped giving her money after all the gifts you gave her in Pattaya, you obviously have run out of money so it would be time for her to move on and find someone else willing to be fleeced.) But a good reason not to give her money is because she is lying and if she is and you keep on giving her money, she will lie again and again while your odds of winning over her love in marriage or whatever will approach zero.

As the hardened mongerors will be quick to point out, moral questions such as this have no place in the mongering world. You go to the bar, pay your money, get your service and then you leave. Emotions are left outside the door of the jet that takes you home. If you do this, you don't fall in love, you don't have feelings, you don't buy them stupid gifts, you forget about them when you leave and you don't have to worry about being asked for money after you go home. But, well, things happen, and after around 250 BGs, I fell.

So here I am, waiting for Secret to get home and possibly ask me for money. I am possibly facing what is really my first moral issue with her. I loved her to at least some extent and believed she had been mostly honest with me, as far as I could tell. I was not at all convinced of her devotion to me and given our age difference and other differences, I knew the odds for us ending up together in a loving relationship was nil. I was willing to gamble a bit of money to keep her interest as I enjoyed being with her, but if she was going to ask for a large amount of money to allegedly fix her house at this early point in our possible relationship, I think I would have bugged out at that point as the risks were just too high. As the hardened mongerors will note, again correctly, once you find yourself handing money to a poor Isan girl their requests never stop. Haha Will I experience that?

I could go on regarding this subject, but I will spare you all and happily report the house and rice fields were intact and Secret didn't ask for a single satang. One moral crisis adverted. So while she never acted like a BG to me during this whole time, she wasn't acting so much like a GF either. But I probably wasn't acting like a boyfriend either, at least not the type a poor Isan girl wants to have. She asked for nothing and, well, I gave her nothing. There may be an east meets west situation brewing here.

But yeah, now at home, she spent time doing things around the farm, happy to be there and she gave her mother some rest from the cooking and housework and from monitoring the farm. I might add she loves where she lives and she told me that if I really wanted to come to know her that I would need to come visit her.

We texted morning and evening a bit, not a lot, just chatting about stuff and occasionally making plans for our Phuket trip in November. After not quite 2 weeks at home she then began to prepare to go to Bangkok to look for work, not really looking forward to it as she hates large cities, but happy that she could get back to work at a legit job at least as she needed to make money. Did she hint at me about needing money? Perhaps, but I was waiting to see if we could make it to Phuket before I started handing over cash to her.

One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood!

[QUOTE=flhawk;2490486]one morning i woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my god, her face was covered with blood![/QUOTE]And so. It begins!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2490454]I did a lot of research on this a couple of decades ago and, at that time, the deal was if you were the person arranging for a fiance visa and the lady stayed in the USA either as your wife or never married you or anyone else, you were on the hook for any costs to the state or federal government for her (or his) medical bills, housing, food, support, whatever. The USA Government was not interested in somebody being brought to the country and plopped down on the street for other taxpayers to foot the bills to support until they either became a U.S. citizen or get deported.

And I don't recall there being any 10 year time limit on your financial responsibilities in those days. It stretched until and if she became a USA Citizen. Then she was on her own in terms of financial responsibility.

If she didn't marry you but married someone else in the USA, "tag", he was now IT and assumed the responsibility until and if she became a USA Citizen.

Again, that was a couple of decades ago. Maybe it has changed since then. But I would proceed as though that is the way it still is unless I see it spelled out otherwise in clear and plain language on those visa sponsor forms I would be signing.[/QUOTE]Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.

An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).

Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.

To those who might fall in love with a Thai girl.

Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.

While it can work there are myriad problems falling for a bar girl and even if it's not the mindset of the girl when she first meets you it's very possible you will end up significantly out of pocket when the affair comes to an end. You absolutely need to have a healthy dose of skepticism but sometimes that goes out the window when you become blind crazy infatuated with a young beautiful long black haired Thai beauty. For you its idyllic love for her it's just some older guy telling her he loves her and impressing her with money and gifts. She has no romantic feelings for him and may not even pretend to but she will not refuse his generosity, why would she. Eventually he comes to his senses followed by heartache and pain and a depleted bank account. So rule one don't be foolish with money. Pay her scale for her time, take her to nice restaurants and a small gift now and again until you get to know much better. In other words take your time.

First and foremost realize how she makes her living because after falling for her you will have three choices. Agree with her to get a regular job which will pay peanuts, agree to not have a problem with her continuing in her chosen profession or ask her to stop and agree to support her and often by extension her family who depend on her.

Then it comes to trying to figure out is the relationship real, can it work or is she just with you for what's in it for her. In other words can you trust her? Some telltale signs you should not.

Early on asking for money for some personal or family emergency.

Suggesting you go shopping particularly to gold shops.

When you're away making silly excuses for not answering her phone when you call.

Ok so none of that is happening and it getting more serious and you begin to wonder will it work out long term. Some considerations to ponder.

Does she have a kid (s)? Are you OK if she has?

Is you financial position more than comfortable to support her and her family?

Her age. Better if over 30 as she will be more mature with a more realistic awareness of what's what and lower expectations of what life has in store for her. If she is young and attractive makes lots of money you better be prepared to more than compensate her for her loss of earnings. She is not going to settle for 42 sq meters in Jomtien, dine at the local noodle stall and ride home on the back of an old 150 CC.

Age difference. Not necessarily a deal breaker but should be less than 30 years.

Her looks, better especially if she young not too stunning so as to avoid getting too much attention from predatory admirers.

Are you going to live in Thailand or in your home country? Better in your home country. Expat living here if married is less secure and less interesting than you might imagine. On the downside she will be away from her family and friends which can make adjusting to a new life abroad difficult.

Is she interested in furthering her education, becoming fluent in your language and contributing by finding a job or starting a business? If her interests don't extend beyond sleeping, eating, watching soap operas and spending hours on social media life together can get suffocating boring even if she keeps you warm at night.

Despite all of these obstacles making falling in love with a working girl a long shot I am reminded of what Alfred Lord Tennyson said "Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." I would add the proviso, that's ok so long as it hasn't cost you an arm and a leg.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490405]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?[/QUOTE][URL]https://excerpty.com/quote/you-can-be-at-their-feet-charles-maurice-de-talleyrand-perigord/[/URL]

Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2490553]Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.

An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).

Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.[/QUOTE]Ah, exactly. I had forgotten about the 40 quarters of work credits part of it. And it needs to be a legitimate, taxable income job, not her sister paying her cash under the table at a family clothing shop.

If she never gets or keeps a job that long or for that many quarters and never becomes a U.S. citizen, your financial responsibility to support her just goes on and on into her old age and to her death or deportation I suppose.

[QUOTE=Genesis77;2490536]And so. It begins![/QUOTE]Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc!

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2490553]An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).[/QUOTE]Yep. Happened to my boy. He married this hooker from Brazil. Insisted that they had some type of connection. She had 2 kids before they got married. The first he claimed but obviously was not his. The second definitely his. While he was away at work some guy wrote on her facebook thanks for last night or something to that effect. When he came home she admitted it and so began his time for supporting someone he was no longer with.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490405]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]Sorry for my translation. Basically it means you can love them and show them but never be at their mercy.

I hope that it's clearer.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2490486]
One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood![/QUOTE]I skim read your post in under a minute and didn't find the main idea in the previous eight paragraphs. For the next installment of your magnum opus I'll know to jump straight to the final paragraph.

[QUOTE=Genesis77;2490536]And so. It begins![/QUOTE]His girl is different.

You don't write Trilogies about Bargirls, run of the mill ones.

"Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread" or was it "wise men" ? I've been bitten, but survived. Read Steven Leather's book on the subject "Private Dancer" "Stupid Shit in. " threads have popped up in ISG. The Thailand one is dedicated to and started for a boaster. Maybe it's time for an "I rushed in thread".

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2490566]Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.[/QUOTE]LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2490584]Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc![/QUOTE]Hahah. I've never thought of it that way but its soooooo true.

20 years of me fucking them and I haven't had a medical problem (touch wood). A girl fucks me once and suddenly she's sick, relatives are dying, she's about to be thrown out of school and it's her kids 6th birthday this year.

Just call me Typhoid Mary.
G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490789]LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.[/QUOTE]If it's possible that it can work even if as I said in my post it's a long shot I say why not go for it. I don't understand the attitude that you shouldn't at least give it a chance of succeeding. Just be aware of the pitfalls and keep your wits about you. I know this is not easy when you are besotted with a Thai beauty who might be playing you but I guess I prefer waking up in the morning as a foolish old romantic rather than a foolish old cynic.

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Mr E makes a lot of good points. Majority of Bargirls girls aren't Scammers. They just sellers of product.

Over 17 years I've only come across one scammer. From Baccara soi cowboy. Wouldn't do anything. But demanded Full payment. I paid.

Sorry for ruining the market. LOL.

She had a motorbike accident, obviously, and despite wearing a helmet she suffered lacerations to the face and legs, was badly burned when the hot muffler of the bike came down on her leg, and she suffered general cuts and bruises from sliding and tumbling along the edge of a dirt road. She received a few stitches and bandages at the hospital, and will have some permanent scaring and skin damage, but was released from the hospital intact.

Now you hardened mongerors will be predicting that even as she was crawling out from under the bike, she was looking at this accident as a potential gold mine and thinking how she will milk this incident for all she can get from me (and from other boyfriends you think she must have. Yes, she will send me a picture of her face covered in blood, then of her burned and bleeding leg, then cry that her bike has been destroyed and plead with me to send her the money she needs to pay the medical bills and to buy a new bike.

When she told me she was worried about the cost the of medical care, I thought, OK, here we go. I knew her cost of care would be very low, if not zero. So I said I thought they got free care. She said yes, that is true, but that one needs special coverage for motorbike accidents and she was not sure if she had the proper coverage. She would have to go into town to inquire when she had the sutures removed. Well, she did all that and she had the proper coverage, so sorry guys, wrong again. She didn't ask for a satong and I didn't send her a single satong nor dollar.

After recovering sufficiently, she went to Bangkok and found work at a clothing store. How do I know she was not back in Pattaya and was lying about being in Bangkok? She sent the types of photos I would expect to see and the times she sent messages was perfectly in line with what I expected from a person working during the day in a clothing store.

But as the time wore on, I was sensing some drudgery creeping in. Her focus was making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home. I was in a hold mode, waiting until we met in Phuket hoping to then determine if we might actually have a future before I started handing out money. Why spend money if our relationship was doomed? She, in hindsight, was kind of waiting for me to do something to help her, and all I was doing was chatting. She is not the type to complain or burden someone else with her problems, and she later said that she was concerned I would drop her if she appeared as a burden to me. So, we both had feelings apparently for the other, but were each waiting on the other to carry through.

Things were happening with her and I suppose the fact all I seemed to want out of the relationship was a pen pal and someone to travel and have sex with, she kept silent. I had said I love her, but we both knew those are just words without the proper actions. But I had the sense something was about to happen but was not yet prepared to do anything to stop it. Then early one morning I get an incoming message from her. "I need more money. I am quitting my job and leaving Bangkok. " Where can she get more money? OMG, no.

*_oreman, sorry, you will need to read to next-to-last paragraph this time, haha.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2490580][URL]https://excerpty.com/quote/you-can-be-at-their-feet-charles-maurice-de-talleyrand-perigord/[/URL]

Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.[/QUOTE]100 percent right and fully agreed.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2491163]...When she told me she was worried about the cost the of medical care, I thought, OK, here we go. I knew her cost of care would be very low, if not zero. So I said I thought they got free care. She said yes, that is true, but that one needs special coverage for motorbike accidents and she was not sure if she had the proper coverage. She would have to go into town to inquire when she had the sutures removed. Well, she did all that and she had the proper coverage, so sorry guys, wrong again. She didn't ask for a satong and I didn't send her a single satong nor dollar.
... [/QUOTE]That was a good thing to mention. Whenever I receive photos from my girls of them or their family members in hospital beds, bandaged up for whatever and so on, I mention the same thing about their medical care likely being very low cost if not free if they don't have money. And that does put them off from asking me for financial assistance too. At least until something else comes along.

In my case, if Thailand ever also establishes free rent and low or no cost unlimited replacement of broken or stolen cellphones (and free wifi top up) to Thai nationals with no money I could pretty much delete my entire bank to bank transfer favorites list.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2491163]...

After recovering sufficiently, she went to Bangkok and found work at a clothing store. How do I know she was not back in Pattaya and was lying about being in Bangkok? She sent the types of photos I would expect to see and the times she sent messages was perfectly in line with what I expected from a person working during the day in a clothing store.

But as the time wore on, I was sensing some drudgery creeping in. Her focus was making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home.

...

[/QUOTE]Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.

If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2491227]Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.

If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.[/QUOTE]It would be an uncaring girl who would marry an American, live in the world's richest country and not want to send money back to her family.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2490744]His girl is different.

You don't write Trilogies about Bargirls, run of the mill ones.[/QUOTE]At first I thought your post was funny.

But now I realize you were correct.

His girl is truly different.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2489682] Think of the odds of success when you give out money and always make sure you are left with enough funds at the end so you could do it all over again. The worst would be win her then get dumped when she finds you have spent all the money![/QUOTE]I just got this quote but I could have taken some others as well. Repeatedly you raise the question whether she will ask you for money. Her not doing so, might be proof of her not being a hardened bar girl. Then she might even be interested in a loving relationship. But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well. But thanks a lot for a nice read in these boring times.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2490580]Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.[/QUOTE]Believe me guys.

Nothing beats freedom.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NKt8VNCxs[/URL]

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491361]But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well.[/QUOTE]It's called psychology of the victim. He knows something terrifying is going to happen and he keeps wondering when.

At this stage his predator is already in full control of his mind.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2491227]Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.

If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.[/QUOTE]Good comments. Thank you.

I have not talked about how extensive my search for the truth as been. You are, of course, correct and Secret is a clever woman, and should the time come when a detailed accounting of my fact checking of her location becomes integral to the overall story, I will go into the details of how I either proved she was telling the truth or how I proved she wasn't. But for sure, she is in Bangkok at this point working in a clothing store.

Regarding your last comments, you make assertions about a particular woman you have never met and who throughout my reporting has essentially passed each and every test to show she is hardly the typical "P4 P girl". In general you are correct, but as someone else has said, if this was a typical story about a typical old farang man falling for a typical young BG, I would not be writing this. Give me some credit please! Haha.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491361]I just got this quote but I could have taken some others as well. Repeatedly you raise the question whether she will ask you for money. Her not doing so, might be proof of her not being a hardened bar girl. Then she might even be interested in a loving relationship. But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well. But thanks a lot for a nice read in these boring times.[/QUOTE]I needed to establish a level of trust with her. I probably, unknowingly, lost some trust with her by never really helping her however. I mean, if I knew she was suffering but not helping her when I had to means to help, why should she trust me to be able to care for her in a future relationship? In her mind she was being quite honest with me. Trust works both ways. Our trust is about to be shaken.

I am glad you have enjoyed the story thus far.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2491455]It's called psychology of the victim. He knows something terrifying is going to happen and he keeps wondering when.

At this stage his predator is already in full control of his mind.[/QUOTE]We shall see.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2491201]That was a good thing to mention. Whenever I receive photos from my girls of them or their family members in hospital beds, bandaged up for whatever and so on, I mention the same thing about their medical care likely being very low cost if not free if they don't have money. And that does put them off from asking me for financial assistance too. At least until something else comes along.[/QUOTE]My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2491483]I needed to establish a level of trust with her. I probably, unknowingly, lost some trust with her by never really helping her however. I mean, if I knew she was suffering but not helping her when I had to means to help, why should she trust me to be able to care for her in a future relationship? In her mind she was being quite honest with me. Trust works both ways. Our trust is about to be shaken.

I am glad you have enjoyed the story thus far.[/QUOTE]Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I could type university knowledge about it to the length of your stories. I won't do that. As it often doesn't help. Let me tell you that a few times I could predict the next episode of your story and I was proven to be right. Especially about the Aussie guy, as I could have done a similar thing. Actually with Corona I am doing the same thing but than with small entrepreneurs facing a hard time. I guess there are two things that I would like to tell. The first thing is about culture. There are two types of culture here. The Western culture that is individualistic and the older culture that is family oriented. I say older because in Western countries this culture was the same in rural areas just an odd 50 years ago. Westerners have few children and spend a lot of time and money on their children. In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age. It is pretty universal and you can learn a lot about it on the net. You have (or had) only partial knowledge about the old culture and Secret has only a hunch of your Western culture. If she is to explain her culture to you than you should explain your culture to her. And in depth. You don't graps another culture just in a few hours or days. That takes rehearsal and even after years you still find things to be different. The second thing is about the maturation of the BG. Many BG are effectively girls that have one or more children and the father is not there (left or had a 1 night stand etc). The family will take care of her children and she has to take care of her family. That is the deal. Not just in Thailand but I know of cases in Bulgaria and Romania too. Most girls like that don't really want to become a BG. They have to and their best way out is a loving relationship with a foreigner. Just like Secret. So she liked you better than the Aussie but in her culture the family and love also have a business part. Or subsistence might be a better part. She will rather choose a man she likes than one she doesn't like but love and family (business) are not separable. That is what you have to deal with. In your more recent posts you write from your own Western point of view and want her to live like that. I don't know if that is fair. Some separate remarks. You want her to be loyal and go back for her to Pattaya but you keep fucking other girls. What girl would accept that? Only a business woman. Love cannot be expected than. And believe me if you frequent a girl like that all of the street knows about it. Staying north really doesn't help. If a girl like Secret has one or more experiences like this. I mean that she in her way of thinking gives all to one man and doesn't get what she thinks she should get, she might become that hardened BG. That is: she matures into a hardened BG. Of course others start like a hardened BG right away but I do not think she was like that at the beginning of your story. I am still interested in the follow-up but as I already stated it seems you have some predicting words in your story already. I am a bit depressed as you and her had deserved a fairer chance.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2491735]My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.[/QUOTE]I have received isolated photos of arms or legs with big bandages wrapped around them, seen the girls just days later with no sign of a scar or blemish on them. Amazing medical care I must say.

Even more amazing was the time I received a photo of a girl's 2 year old "baby" with a bandage around the wrist with a hand of someone at least in their 30's or 40's. Sometimes they don't even try very hard.

Buddy of mine, frequent visitor to Thailand every year for decades, has a Thai wife and kids in the USA, was upset with worry about one of his regular P4P session girls here, how to transfer money yo her and all that because, according to her, she could not leave the hospital until she paid her 5,000 baht bill.

WTF, man, I said. Can you imagine how many years some of those patients would have to remain in their hospital beds until someone on the outside brought them 5,000 baht if that were true. Naturally, a couple of days later she had somehow gotten sprung from her hospital "prison" and was happily going about her life on the outside without him sending her that 5,000 baht bail money.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age.[/QUOTE]It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491810]It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.[/QUOTE]With the birth rate declining as much as it has for the past couple of decades, now there are only 1 or 2 adult kids to take care of the same number of parents, grandparents, drunk uncles, old maid aunts and so on as before, no longer 5-6 adult kids to do it.

That charismatic doctor who pushed for more widespread condom use supposedly in order to reduce poverty brought on by Thai families having so many kids should have used his charisma to push for a universal Social Security type retirement program for Thailand instead.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2491486]We shall see.[/QUOTE]Hi Hawk.

Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.

You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.

Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.

What do you think?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2491936]Hi Hawk.

Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.

You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.

Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Can someone refresh how old Hawk is. Make the whole thing look silly.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2491936]Hi Hawk.

Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.

You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.

Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Haha. Thanks. Sorry for a boring beginning, but I would be unable to make up what is about to start happening. No high speed chases through the rice fields or shootings in the back sois of Bangkok however. It is all real. But, for sure, with some license and imagination, this could be a starting point for a story of love or of personal tragedy possibly! Actually, and a spoiler alert, of personal tragedy beyond some stitches to the face I can guarantee (but don't even try to make a prediction based on this).

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. [/QUOTE]I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2492087]I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.[/QUOTE]In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I could type university knowledge about it to the length of your stories. I won't do that. As it often doesn't help. Let me tell you that a few times I could predict the next episode of your story and I was proven to be right. Especially about the Aussie guy, as I could have done a similar thing. Actually with Corona I am doing the same thing but than with small entrepreneurs facing a hard time. I guess there are two things that I would like to tell. The first thing is about culture. There are two types of culture here. The Western culture that is individualistic and the older culture that is family oriented. I say older because in Western countries this culture was the same in rural areas just an odd 50 years ago. Westerners have few children and spend a lot of time and money on their children. In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age. It is pretty universal and you can learn a lot about it on the net. You have (or had) only partial knowledge about the old culture and Secret has only a hunch of your Western culture. If she is to explain her culture to you than you should explain your culture to her. And in depth. You don't graps another culture just in a few hours or days. That takes rehearsal and even after years you still find things to be different. The second thing is about the maturation of the BG. Many BG are effectively girls that have one or more children and the father is not there (left or had a 1 night stand etc). The family will take care of her children and she has to take care of her family. That is the deal. Not just in Thailand but I know of cases in Bulgaria and Romania too. Most girls like that don't really want to become a BG. They have to and their best way out is a loving relationship with a foreigner..[/QUOTE]You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago. Yes I loved many girls in Europe, in Thailand! I was totally in love in Thailand of some girls in the past and I was loyal before. I even tried to help them and send them money. I was thinking same like you, that these bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya were victims and didn't have any choice and had to fuck with men to take care their family.

But right now, I think totally the opposite. If you want a good Thai girl, don't take a lady bar from a gogo or a beer bar especially in Pattaya or Bkk or Phuket. Most of them are lazy, they don't want work. And you have to understand that if you like sexy working girls like me who are 18/25 you have to understand they will never stay only with you. They lie all the time, if you're in Thailand and generous with them, of course they'll like you and they will stay with you if you give them what they want. It can be gifts, money, gold. But even if the girl say she loves you and she'll wait for you, be sure that if you don't live with her in Thailand, one time you'll be in the plane to go back your country she'll go fuck with another man as soon as your left her!

Most of the time, these sexy girls have many sponsors in the world. And when they're boring in Pattaya, they want make money go party and they ll lie to you all the time.

Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21. One of my friend who lives in Pattaya gave me her Line, because he told me she was fucking sexy and she was a regular girl to him.

She came my hotel for ST for 1500. And when I was fucking her, her farang boyfriend was calling her on Line, Whasapp, Messenger all the time. And he insisted during more than 5 min, she told me when I was fucking her to let her switch off her phone. Of course I said YES and after she came back on the bed and she let me fuck her again. She just asked me like many girls to not come inside her pussy because she doesn't want be pregnant.

After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. And I asked her why she still go with men if these men send her money. And she told me she's boring and she's in Pattaya and she says when men are nice with her she's ok to fuck. She just lie to her boyfriends and she doesn't care about them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2492118]In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.[/QUOTE]One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. What you say is quite true.

In October 2019, I knew little about her family. Over time I came to see that she is not in a parasitic family. Some family members on her fathers side (not the father) may indeed be parasitic, but she seems to have pretty much divorced herself from them. All she has provided care for are her mother, half-sister and son. And in fact, she is the effective leader of that family unit. No one is telling her what to do! Going to Pattaya was her sole decision to keep the farm on her and the sister's side of the family.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2489714]Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1[/URL][/QUOTE]The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]#1.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2489714]Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1[/URL][/QUOTE]Not quite the paradise we remember, but been a great place to be stuck in!

[URL]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2492259]One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. [/QUOTE]That is not one a guy with low resistance to saying no should fall for. My buddy is in Surin with a chick now. They went to buy a shitload of crabs. He was thinking they were going to go home and cook them up for a great meal. But no. Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck. Not sure how much good luck they would have tried to purchase had it been their own money that was buying the crabs. So meanwhile mongers think chicks are at home starving, they are actually literally throwing food away.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2492466]The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]#1.[/QUOTE]The Palace!

And the girls dance only for you. Lucky man!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492917] Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck.[/QUOTE]And the crabs devoured all the endemic species of the pond and upset the entire eco system....

[QUOTE=Breadman;2491735]My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.[/QUOTE]How long was his trip? And how much did he pay her?

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2492216]You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago. Yes I loved many girls in Europe, in Thailand! I was totally in love in Thailand of some girls in the past and I was loyal before. I even tried to help them and send them money. I was thinking same like you, that these bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya were victims and didn't have any choice and had to fuck with men to take care their family.

But right now, I think totally the opposite. If you want a good Thai girl, don't take a lady bar from a gogo or a beer bar especially in Pattaya or Bkk or Phuket. Most of them are lazy, they don't want work. And you have to understand that if you like sexy working girls like me who are 18/25 you have to understand they will never stay only with you. They lie all the time, if you're in Thailand and generous with them, of course they'll like you and they will stay with you if you give them what they want. It can be gifts, money, gold. But even if the girl say she loves you and she'll wait for you, be sure that if you don't live with her in Thailand, one time you'll be in the plane to go back your country she'll go fuck with another man as soon as your left her!

Most of the time, these sexy girls have many sponsors in the world. And when they're boring in Pattaya, they want make money go party and they ll lie to you all the time.

Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21. One of my friend who lives in Pattaya gave me her Line, because he told me she was fucking sexy and she was a regular girl to him.

She came my hotel for ST for 1500. And when I was fucking her, her farang boyfriend was calling her on Line, Whasapp, Messenger all the time. And he insisted during more than 5 min, she told me when I was fucking her to let her switch off her phone. Of course I said YES and after she came back on the bed and she let me fuck her again. She just asked me like many girls to not come inside her pussy because she doesn't want be pregnant.

After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. And I asked her why she still go with men if these men send her money. And she told me she's boring and she's in Pattaya and she says when men are nice with her she's ok to fuck. She just lie to her boyfriends and she doesn't care about them.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, I love it. Thanks for the story. Some of us grow up with the Superman complex. It's sold to to us in all the movies. Poor damsel in distress, knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet and save her. Problem is, real life don't work like that. I (and plenty of others) learned the hard way. Got to understand that we're paying them to leave, not to stay. Don't get into a relationship unless it's mutually beneficial. Speaking of which.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2492118]In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.[/QUOTE]At Goat. What was your living arrangement / agreement back when you started living there 20 years ago? Were you retired? Did you work in Thailand? I'm asking because I've been thinking about retiring in Thailand. But I think there's an age limit of 50 for a retirement visa and I'm about 10 years shy of that. Did you start living there under the retirement visa or marriage visa? If it's a marriage visa, was there an understanding you'd still be fucking around? Was she still working? Or was there some other agreement you guys came to?

Any members there noticed this happening?

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2493117]Any members there noticed this happening?

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.

"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".

A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.

Thanks for the videos guys. Best thing I have read on this board since the lockdown began.

I would put money that these videos are shot by Thai guys as they have now started allowing them back in the gogo bars. No one is getting away with taking videos like this in a packed Palace bar. Can someone buy these guys a GoPro with 4k video!

As for the talent, Paradise hasn't been good for years and it's been reported that many of the Palace girls are now at Pin Up. I still know some girls I know in the Palace video.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2493052]But I think there's an age limit of 50 for a retirement visa and I'm about 10 years shy of that. [/QUOTE]

That's the purpose of the Elite Visa. If you can afford to retire at age 40 then the 500,000 baht per year for the Elite Visa is a drop in the bucket. It also may or may not allow you back in to Thailand before the general public.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492917]That is not one a guy with low resistance to saying no should fall for. My buddy is in Surin with a chick now. They went to buy a shitload of crabs. He was thinking they were going to go home and cook them up for a great meal. But no. Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck. Not sure how much good luck they would have tried to purchase had it been their own money that was buying the crabs. So meanwhile mongers think chicks are at home starving, they are actually literally throwing food away.[/QUOTE]This is something new I have not heard before and made my coffee to go my throat when reading. It is not the sick buffalo when you go there, it is the unlucky crabs that they need money for!!

No doubt the pond of luck is in the crab farm of her brother!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2493117]Any members there noticed this happening?

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/[/URL][/QUOTE]There's a guy CB media on youtube. Very entertaining. I bet makes huge money blogging Thailand. He did one live streaming gig. People donate money. I swear they can make $500 from donations over a two hour period.

You have to be good of course.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2493117]Any members there noticed this happening?

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/[/URL][/QUOTE]That is a very bad development, imo. You know how bars and restaurants post signs for their customers, "No Outside Food or Drink Allowed"? How about "No Outside Purchases of Commission LDs Allowed" for the bars.

Is it a go-go bar or an Internet Cafe for overseas lonelyhearts to pay hookers not to touch a penis?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493122]Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.

"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".

A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.[/QUOTE]I stopped going to Soi 6 as a result of these live streams. I mean, the only reason you would be on Soi 6 is to pick up prostitutes and I don't really want my face being beamed around the world by several bars as I do that.

Thai hookers are early adapters. When smart phones first came in, the hookers were all over them trying out the different functions. Sex has always adapted. Sure, lament the old days when bareback was to be had for a nickel and you could do Europe on $5 a day, less if you joined the hundreds of thousands of Yanks who flooded into Paris in the 1920's, when you could pick yourself up a dose of the French Pox for less than the price of a hand-burger.

This is the new normal. Those who survive will do well in the new sanitised Pattaya and where family oriented tourists with big spending power can swan about looking at an emasculated Sodom and Gomorrah. Pattaya goes global. I am sure US strip joints will hit back. In the bigger scheme of things, this is no different from all those virtual influencers. It is better, in fact, as they are sahaking down Bob and other rich marshmallows.

Complaining about this is just a continuation of complaining about Japanese etc ruining it by overpaying.

Pattaya, like everywhere else, is being downsized.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2493136]That is a very bad development, imo. You know how bars and restaurants post signs for their customers, "No Outside Food or Drink Allowed"? How about "No Outside Purchases of Commission LDs Allowed" for the bars.

Is it a go-go bar or an Internet Cafe for overseas lonelyhearts to pay hookers not to touch a penis?[/QUOTE]

In these trying times the bars and their girls are desperate, so I can understand why they are experimenting the live video feeds & long distance drink buys to stay alive, but this is a very dangerous road to go down which in the long run I believe will discourage business for the reasons stated. The key question is will the bars give up this supplemental revenue source once the border opens up again and business returns to near normal? All I know is that even with privacy protocols in place to protect the identity of customers, I will not go to any bar with concurrent live video feeds if for no other reason than it is a distraction for the girls. The customer in the bar must remain the sole focus of the girls or the venue will fail.

Open the border, Thailand!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493122]Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.

"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".

A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.[/QUOTE]Many bars posting there live stream in Facebook Live and they asking to buy online girl drinks through paypal.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2493184]Thai hookers are early adapters. When smart phones first came in, the hookers were all over them trying out the different functions. Sex has always adapted. Sure, lament the old days when bareback was to be had for a nickel and you could do Europe on $5 a day, less if you joined the hundreds of thousands of Yanks who flooded into Paris in the 1920's, when you could pick yourself up a dose of the French Pox for less than the price of a hand-burger.

This is the new normal. Those who survive will do well in the new sanitised Pattaya and where family oriented tourists with big spending power can swan about looking at an emasculated Sodom and Gomorrah. Pattaya goes global. I am sure US strip joints will hit back. In the bigger scheme of things, this is no different from all those virtual influencers. It is better, in fact, as they are sahaking down Bob and other rich marshmallows.

Complaining about this is just a continuation of complaining about Japanese etc ruining it by overpaying.

Pattaya, like everywhere else, is being downsized.[/QUOTE]Of course, sex will adapt, I will adapt and I will still get what I want and pay for no matter the technological advancement. Often even because of and thanks to the technological advancement.

If all bars, go-go bars and beer bars, go live stream and every girl in them makes a decent living off of 100+ commission Ladydrinks per day bought for them by computer bound lonelyhearts and wannabe White Knights around the globe providing no need for those girls to ever fuck, suck or even give a handjob to a customer again there will always be other venues and options to earn my recreational P4P time and money instead.

As there are already, made possible or at least easier to accomplish by technological advancement.

Getting old and falling behind with technology? I grew up in the Porn era, anyone remember the Mitchell Brothers in San Francisco? Maybe getting old and being here live and in color is a blessing because I have no intention going back to visual porn or whatever they plan to call it today as being reported. What goes around comes around? Just like the Brick and Mortar stores slowly is coming back because there are people like myself if I'm going to pay for something especially sex I want to touch and feel even try on the product before paying. Just like Visual education it can be harmful?

I go down to Pattaya every once in awhile from BKK. I noticed soi 6 bars live streaming. Soi 6 used to be the ST street now its the spot for online live streams. Alot of these places the live stream is near the door and you can see customers walking in and some sitting in the bar.

I've actually decided to completely give up on Soi 6. Outside of the live streaming they also have more expensive drinks compared to other beer bars in other areas. If you want to LT a girl their barfines are more expensive than the best gogos in town which is LOL. They blare music when there's no customers in the place but you. They used to get a pass by me because they had great quality compared to any other daytime options. I've noticed now a lot of quality girls that were once on soi 6 moving to other bars in town. Also lets be honest girls on soi 6 take way more cock then girls anywhere else. The managers themselves get free reign to bang all the girls in other bars and put them through the famed NW training protocols.

At this point I'm voting with my wallet and won't be spending any money on the 6 and I know many guys in Pattaya who feel the same way. Nightwish put a monopoly on that road and watching them turn the street into a online live stream convention is the final straw for me. Plenty of other good options in Metro area, on the poon, and soi boomerang.

[QUOTE=SaranMonger31;2493192]Many bars posting there live stream in Facebook Live and they asking to buy online girl drinks through paypal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2493389] I noticed soi 6 bars live streaming. [/QUOTE]

Can you guys please provide us with some links to these bars doing Facebook Live.

I know many Soi 6 bars are on Facebook posting about how some Farang 1000s of miles away is buying 20+ drinks for a bar girl, some of which the Farang has never even met before. However, I have yet come across bars doing Facebook Live, not that I look often.

I have noticed a big uptick of girls popping up on the Thai cam girl sites. Most are not worth looking at and many ladyboys but there was one who was gogo girl quality cute. Unfortunately, she doesn't even go naked.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2493186]In these trying times the bars and their girls are desperate, so I can understand why they are experimenting the live video feeds & long distance drink buys to stay alive, but this is a very dangerous road to go down which in the long run I believe will discourage business for the reasons stated. The key question is will the bars give up this supplemental revenue source once the border opens up again and business returns to near normal? All I know is that even with privacy protocols in place to protect the identity of customers, I will not go to any bar with concurrent live video feeds if for no other reason than it is a distraction for the girls. [/QUOTE]I'm certain this will all disappear by the time we are allowed back in to Thailand. You are correct most guys won't go to bars where live streaming is active. I stopped going to a local strip club years ago when they decided that live streaming was a good idea. You could clearly see a guy's face sitting there in pervert's row.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493442]Can you guys please provide us with some links to these bars doing Facebook Live.

I know many Soi 6 bars are on Facebook posting about how some Farang 1000s of miles away is buying 20+ drinks for a bar girl, some of which the Farang has never even met before. However, I have yet come across bars doing Facebook Live, not that I look often.

I have noticed a big uptick of girls popping up on the Thai cam girl sites. Most are not worth looking at and many ladyboys but there was one who was gogo girl quality cute. Unfortunately, she doesn't even go naked.[/QUOTE]If you go on facebook during open bar hours to either Wraith or Toybox they'll have the streams running. Other bars will too but I'm not sure which ones but check facebook and they'll have a little paypal for donations.

[QUOTE==*****man;2493168]I stopped going to Soi 6 as a result of these live streams. I mean, the only reason you would be on Soi 6 is to pick up prostitutes and I don't really want my face being beamed around the world by several bars as I do that.[/QUOTE]They seem to be good at hiding a customer's face. Very empathetic. I still couldn't find the mentioned girls and their numbers. One set is from definitely from Pin Up, not sure about the others. I wonder if these are new talent or same girls pre COVID?

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f8839e2b505c[/URL]

Scrolling through the posts, I can see how virtual is viable. The trike drives must think we are nuts paying a fortune to fly in and bonk their seconds. Some Yank in a flyover state with $50 or $100 burning a hole in his pocket might think being a big player in a virtual Soi 6 is being a high roller. Personally, I think gambling, never mind Las Vegas, is nuts. You do know people now bet big time on virtual horses, horses that are not real. Then you have all those virtual "games" where you can buy all kinds of virtual crap with real money.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2492216]You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago.
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Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21.
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After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. [/QUOTE]Sorry to reply so late. I try to only read these stories in the weekend and most of times I succeed. I am not a very romantic guy. Sometimes I fall in love with a sex worker but I never gave them money beyond the rate for their sexual services. Except for a tip of a few euros. I do think that there are girls that fall in love with their customers too. And of course there are girls that try to take advantage of their customers. But I do think that especially a starting sex worker has a dream of a wealthy client who will take care of her. That happened to me too. One girl even stepped out of her room in Amsterdam and followed me on the street. And she was very popular with loads of money. Certainly not fighting for a customer. One other girl travelled 1000 kilometers because she had heard I would visit that particular SC in Germany that day. So, whatever you think, not all of them are lazy. I do think that you are right in many ways for many girls. But not all of them. I thought that maybe FL Hawk had met a girl that was really falling for him. Or put in a better way: she liked him best of all her customers and tried to enter into a relationship with him. That can be genuine. But it doesn't need to be so. After a girl has seen that her customer is into other girls as well, she might get disappointed and start to deceive her customers in a 'love for money' relationship. Just like a sponsor as you described. But by no means are all girls cheating. No way. One comment on your five sponsors at an age of 21. Of course that is possible in theory but it is not very likely. It seems a bit the same as the guy in a SC in Germany that claimed his roommate had five orgasms in a row. Only he believed that.

P. S: I never had a relationship with a sex worker. It came close once but I declined for social reasons. Too different from the rest of my life.

My memory of the events around this time period were a little hazy so I dug up the original Line messages from that time and found I made an error! I correctly said she quit the bar then left Pattaya to go home for a little bit, then she went to Bangkok and found work at the clothing store. She went back home for Lent with the intention of staying just a few days, but then she had the motorbike accident and could not immediately return and her job was terminated. So, when I previously got the cliffhanging message that she was leaving Bangkok to make money elsewhere, she was not then in Bangkok but still at home. I think the story will provide needed background information if I go back to the time following her accident and retrace the story from there.

So, after the accident, she started texting me more often as she was not busy with work so she had the time. Plus she was bored. And the longer she stayed home, the more worried she got as there was no money coming in and, I now know, she was facing a financial crisis point. I am withholding certain personal information about her, but she had made little money in the months of August and September, and now October was turning into a complete bust. I think she realized her going to Pattaya had been a horrible idea both economically as well as mentally, and she was now facing loss of the imminent loss of the family farm. Some of you seem to think BGs make a ton of money, but that is not always the case. Secret was not quite cut out for the work, and I never considered the bar she worked at to be especially popular. She went to the bar with the belief she would make a lot of money, but it really didn't work out so well.

We had plans to go to Phuket and Bangkok later in November. As she recovered during October we talked about the trip, which helped to get her mind of off her troubles. She was excited as this would be her first trip to Phuket and her first ride in an airplane. Other than Bangkok, her home province and now Pattaya, she had never traveled anywhere and, as she told me, she was afraid to travel alone. She told me that her mother told her of a close relative who met her husband in Phuket and wondered if Secret might find hers' there as well. That, and some other comments, showed she had some sort of feelings or hopes regarding me but, hey, we know that business comes before love so, despite some affections from her, I had not yet experienced her love, or at least a version of love that I, a westerner, understood it to be at the time. But without the distractions of work, she was actually being sweet to me with lots of messages exchanged, but never using the L word and never asking me for money. But time ticked on. I was waiting for us to meet again and spend more time together so I could assess our relationship. This was only two months after she (allegedly) stopped bar fining people so I was still on high alert for scams and for signs that she had other boyfriends.

As she healed, she said several times she needed to get back to Bangkok to work. But the rice harvest was approaching and she needed to stay home. Our trip to Phuket was about 2 weeks after that. I said I would pay her lost expenses and wages for the time we were together, but she had missed a significant portion of income. I was concerned she might cancel our trip as she could hardly go to Bangkok, find a job and then immediately ask for 2 weeks off. But she continued to say how much she looked forward to the vacation, and thoughts of the trip and what we would do seemed to comfort her. But was coming to the realization she was in a financial pickle and she pretty much kept it to herself.

When the harvest started, she told me that she would be returning to Bangkok to find work in a week. Soon after her texting frequency dropped dramatically. I knew something was up, though 2 days before she was to leave she told me how much she wanted to go to Phuket with me. On the day of her planned return to Bangkok I had not heard from her, so I texted her to ask if she was in Bangkok. That is when she told me she needed money and would not be going to Bangkok. This is where I left off last time.

Continuing on, I asked where she was going, if not Bangkok. Well, Pattaya, right? No, wrong. She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two years in order to finally pay off the farm once and for all, then buy some land and build a small house she had dreamed of for year, and finally have enough money to properly care for her family with some honor and dignity. She would be on a 2-year contact. At that time I was not aware of such work, but I have since learned SK is desperate for farm workers and that many Thais go there as the money is relatively good.

A local neighbor who had done farm work in SK before told her about the work and got her in touch with an agent. She had met with him and she was about ready to sign a contract and leave for SK, the farm being secured when she signed. She thanked me for the help I had provided and apologized for not be able to go to Phuket. She did not know if or when she might see me again (she felt I was going to dump her and never want to see or talk to her again). She was pretty distraught, but knew of no other way to extract herself from her financial predicament. Some of you will think she was faking it and out to scam me. Perhaps.

She was stoic about the whole thing and appeared resolute in her decision. I think she felt the money was too much to even think of asking me for help. She said this was something she had to do for her family, so she was going to do it. There was no crying, no pleading, not even a hint she was hoping I would step in and save the day. For her, if she did nothing, she land would be foreclosed and they would have to find another place the live. I will say again, this is a small family.

So, I have just been blindsided. Do I believe her? Is this a scam she is pulling to get my money by making me feel sorry for her? Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? What do I do? What CAN I do? What [I]should[/I] I do? I think I know what many of you would do! The question now is, what DID I do? And do I now have regrets? And, of course, what did SHE do? Did she run off to SK and that was the last we have seen of each other, or was she sent home due the virus and she contacted me and wants to get back together?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493671]Continuing on, I asked where she was going, if not Bangkok. Well, Pattaya, right? No, wrong. She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two years[/QUOTE]LOL. Seriously? She is about to go vegetable farming in the winter in South Korea? I have heard of chicks going there to work in massage parlors and chicks going there to be hookers, but never vegetable farming. What you describe is a chick that is about to get tricked into sex slavery. Never heard it from the vegetable farm angle though.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2493473]They seem to be good at hiding a customer's face. Very empathetic. I still couldn't find the mentioned girls and their numbers. One set is from definitely from Pin Up, not sure about the others. I wonder if these are new talent or same girls pre COVID?

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f8839e2b505c[/URL][/QUOTE]I clicked on your link. Interesting to see so many gals there though I am sure outside was empty. A link beneath it has an American woman selling small tubs (c 200 ML) of her urine for $1000 US. A real case of caveat emptor. I wouldn't pay $50 for her, yet some pathetic Bob out there.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2493503]............. I do think that there are girls that fall in love with their customers too. ............ That happened to me too. One girl even stepped out of her room in Amsterdam and followed me on the street. ............. One other girl travelled 1000 kilometers because she had heard I would visit that particular SC in Germany that day. ..........[/QUOTE]From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493671]Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? [/QUOTE]'No offense intended, but you must be joking. So, this is the big decision you have been leading up to for god knows how long. You know, FL, I knew your story was BS when you did not tell it all in the first post. What a lot if endless dribble.

But getting down to cases: no Thai bar girl goes to Korea to work in the fields. That's hard-physical labor, in case you didn't know, and field hands are paid only a pittance. But all this is beside the point. I think you have been putting us on the whole time with a fake story that you made up for you own Corona amusement or maybe you are a fool. I give you credit for not being a fool, but either way, the joke is on you because most of us did not fall for your story from the 1st post on.

But I am a hopeless romantic at heart, so I hope real love wins in the end and you are now happily long distance engaged to your sweetheart and have transferred all your savings to Thailand so she could buy the family farm in her name. I can't wait to find out what happens next. Not really. 555. But keep going.

I think I will watch "Mesrine Part 2: Public Enemy #1" tonight. I saw "Mesrine Part 1: Killer Instinct" last night and it was pretty rock on. Now that crazy Frenchman can write!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493671]

So, I have just been blindsided. Do I believe her? Is this a scam she is pulling to get my money by making me feel sorry for her? Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? What do I do? What CAN I do? What [I]should[/I] I do? I think I know what many of you would do! The question now is, what DID I do? And do I now have regrets? And, of course, what did SHE do? Did she run off to SK and that was the last we have seen of each other, or was she sent home due the virus and she contacted me and wants to get back together?[/QUOTE]Long winded report.

Classic case of playing your brain. Promising but not providing. She has used every trick in the book to make you bite to offer her money. She has decided long time ago nothing with you to Phuket. Rest of the drama is to get money. When you did not bite last resort was going to South Korea ostensibly for a job which I think is fake.

Do not fall in love with a hooker. Hookers rarely make good companions for a resort trip unlike a GF. With wall to wall girls in Thailand just offer money to a girl to go with you or just go by yourself and there are plenty of girls in Phuket. Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.

It is more likely she is playing ten others the same game.

Yes, I have chatted and made friends with normal girls in Thailand and taken them to Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam. They do not need visas to go to those countries. But even a hint of playing games I would dump them in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493696]From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.[/QUOTE]I had the misfortune of finding 2 ladies waiting for me when I moved to Pattaya after retiring. Somehow both thought I was going to set up house with them. One was a BabyDolls spinner I knew for 4 years. The other a freelancer from Si Racha who I had meet with her sister on my first trip 5 years earlier. I've often thought about what signal I might have given them but can't come up with anything. It wasn't fun bursting their fantasies.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2493702]Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.[/QUOTE]Maybe hookers can change their spots. A hooker that I mess with just posted yesterday that she got her ceritfication to do nails. And this chick has been to jail for prostitution in like 5 different countries and is only 25. I can admit that she really is a sweet girl. Total GFE. And I pay her way less than she gets at that damn gogo.

[QUOTE=FL Hawk;2493671] She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two years[/QUOTE]

FL, as Mr. E mentioned 0% chance Secret was going to Korea to work on a vegetable farm. Seoul and Busan are two prime hot spots where Thai girls go work. I know close to 50 gogo, Soi 6, Thermae, and massage girls who have gone to work in Korea since I have met them. Some end up in jail, some can't cut it in Korea because they don't have the right look, and some just miss Thai food and their Thai boyfriend and come home.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493696]From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. [/QUOTE]How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang unless he has millions and is willing to freely share it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493683]LOL. Seriously? She is about to go vegetable farming in the winter in South Korea? I have heard of chicks going there to work in massage parlors and chicks going there to be hookers, but never vegetable farming. What you describe is a chick that is about to get tricked into sex slavery. Never heard it from the vegetable farm angle though.[/QUOTE]Another new metaphor 'work in vegetable farm' - kind of descriptive actually. Work in big cucumber farm, trying to collect as many as she can every day.

Kind of comparable to what riends of mine used say, to go play golf for long weekends in pattaya from cold winter of Beijing. Some wives actually believed for a while.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493696]From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.[/QUOTE]I know of a Belgian Jew who fell for a Thai woman. He was the owner of a well established shipping company based in Hong Kong. When he died he left all his assets worth few hundred million dollars to the Thai lady and her two daughters.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493671]What do I do? What CAN I do? What [I]should[/I] I do? I think I know what many of you would do![/QUOTE]Well, for anyone who doesn't believe the story about South Korea, I could ask "Under what stone did you lie the last 30 years or so". There has been a mass transfer of labour around the world. With North Koreans working virtually anywhere to supply for the Missile program. But that's another story. Thais too work abroad, e. G. In Sweden! Only lately I saw a documentary showing their bad circumstances. Some years they do well, picking cherries in the forests. Some years they do not so well. If you enter in a bad year than you might not even be able to pay the trip to and from Sweden with your earnings. So, you actually lose money!

So is it possible in South Korea? The net is your friend. Just translate "vegetable farm in South Korea" to Thai and search the net. This site comes up and it has a combined address with Latin and Thai characters, so it is coded. Otherwise simply repeat my steps. It is not so difficult.

[URL]https://anriintern.com/%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%89/[/URL]

I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up. If you look at it from the point of view of Secret the story totally makes sense. And Bravo for Hawk to stay so objective about his own story. What I do see is a girl in financial need and desperate to hold on to her farm. If you have studied this phenomenon to some depth than you know that there is a big difference between farmers that do have land of their own and those that have not. The latter become very poor with very few opportunities. They most often have to beg for work. So to me it seems Secret is struggling to hold on to her farm. She has several options. One of them is going to Pattaya and trying to earn enough money. Another is opting for a rich foreigner. She chooses the one she likes best. But she just works down her options and if she reports hardship without Hawk offering money she needs to look for another way. Her next option is to work abroad and has chosen South Korea. I wonder whether that works out fine. South Koreans are quite OK but not filantropists. With Covid-19 coming up she might just be in the wrong time of the year. Then she might lose her farm and be doomed to extreme poverty.

So, is Secret a desperate girl at the verge of collapse. Yes, very likely. Is she hedging her bets with Hawk being one one of those? Yes, most certainly. Is she still a decent girl and not outright asking for money? Well, probably. A westerner might have liked her to be more forthcoming about her intentions: saving the farm.

Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2493702]Do not fall in love with a hooker. Hookers rarely make good companions for a resort trip unlike a GF. With wall to wall girls in Thailand just offer money to a girl to go with you or just go by yourself and there are plenty of girls in Phuket. Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.

It is more likely she is playing ten others the same game.[/QUOTE]You need to remember his first posts about that girl to understand why he kept seeing her and finally (maybe) fell in love with her. And once emotions get involved, logical thinking doesn't prevail and guys won't listen when you tell them to not fall in love with a hooker.

Not all of these girls are good at getting sponsors, some of them doesn't have any and aren't doing anything in order to get one.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493754]..................How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang............[/QUOTE]Not many 60+ year old mongers want to marry an FKK girl either.

Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.

Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.

We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?

Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?

Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.

What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.

Cheers lads.

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUy2Wx_r0_w[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2493702]But even a hint of playing games I would dump them in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiffPiddy;2493886]Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.

Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.

We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?

Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?

Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.

What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.

Cheers lads.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make much sense to go from Bangkok to Pattaya for a massage parlour because there are more and better ones in Bangkok. The best gogos in Pattaya have reopened now, with Pin-up being the top one.

You lost coherence with the hotel question. Please try again.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2493795]

Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.[/QUOTE]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493754]FL, as Mr. E mentioned 0% chance Secret was going to Korea to work on a vegetable farm. Seoul and Busan are two prime hot spots where Thai girls go work. I know close to 50 gogo, Soi 6, Thermae, and massage girls who have gone to work in Korea since I have met them. Some end up in jail, some can't cut it in Korea because they don't have the right look, and some just miss Thai food and their Thai boyfriend and come home.

How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang unless he has millions and is willing to freely share it.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi stated it right that many just can't adapt to life in Korea or Japan and come home pretty quickly after a short tour of duty. Not getting used to the food seems to be a genuine issue. Took a ridiculously hot Thai girl to Japan once and by the second day she was driving me crazy as she had to eat Thai food and was just picking away and looking at fantastic Japanese food like it was a pile of dog crap.

However I know one particular girl from Baccara Pattaya (one of the most popular ones there), that has stayed in Japan for close to a year now and looks like she has made some genuine real coin during her stint there. I would honestly say that she represents the 10% to 20% who succeed. The rest come back with less money than they started with.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2493795]I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up.[/QUOTE]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493948]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk, regardless how it turned out or will turn out for you, there are special times in our lives after lo' so many years and experiences where it only makes sense for our peace of mind and the greater good to just pay the damn money and see what happens. Yes, the inarguable pattern is 99% of the time the obvious thing will happen; she'll take the money and run.

But after living here almost 8 years and sessioning with hundreds of different hookers, I have met 2 and only 2 girls in the business who touched my heart, mind and body enough to entertain a serious thought of helping them with money to get out of the business and start a new relatively non sex-based line of work.

One was just about a month ago. An absolutely star quality favorite repeat regular of mine for almost a year who is pushing 30, was never at a loss to get a customer if one is around but knows her bargirl days are numbered and was not seeing an end to the downward tourism spiral anytime soon.

So she had this big plan to open some food carts in certain areas of Bangkok, a type of business she knew about from her family being involved in it and could I please lend her 20,000 baht to get her started. She could stop working in a bar and loved me so much she fully intended to continue seeing me every week forever and ever. You know the drill.

However, this time, all things considered, the current bar scene circumstances and, honestly, that I only had this much feeling for 2 out of hundreds of girls I'd known since moving here and that the cost to me for our many times together had not been all that much anyway, I agreed with no more than a moment's hesitation.

I gave her the money. A few days later she sent me a photo of some food cart somewhere and has gone Missing In Action for at least 4 weeks ever since. LOL.

But I don't regret it for one second because I knew the alternative in THIS case was not an option. Sure, I miss her but not too seriously so. And I am not the least bit surprised that she took the money and ran.

But what would still be spinning around in my brain if I had NOT given this particular girl the 20,000 baht she asked me for and then she still went M.I.A., which she most certainly would have done? I would have the thought stuck somewhere in my head that but for 20,000 baht, a relatively insignificant amount of money to me, that girl would have had a chance at a better future and I might still be fucking her every week or two (along with covering ongoing business expenses, I know. LOL).

To KNOW with certainty that she was really only hitting me up for "Bye-Bye Money" on the way out the door and on her way back to her baby girl in Isaan, her Thai boyfriend, family, whatever and all that is well worth 20,000 baht to me vs being left with the idea that I missed an opportunity to do something meaningful for someone I had and still have special feelings for and rewarding to me for the cost of 5 middling go-go bargirl sessions.

If this kind of thing came up every other month or if much more serious money was on the line, it would have been a very different story and I would feel bad about it. But not in this case. I am comfortable in the knowledge that I did what was best for my peace of mind.

Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2494014]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that doesn't mean you understood her well. Doesn't mean that I did either. But 0% is quite a small number. You seem to know that she went to be a sex worker. Maybe other girls did so. But it is just as likely that she went to work on a vegetable farm. Here is a link of (part) of the documentary I saw about Sweden. Not that long and quite informative. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1QWG3xSNg.[/URL] And here is a link about it still going on: [URL]https://scandasia.com/thais-can-pick-berries-in-sweden/.[/URL] Your comment was not that flabbergasting to me as others were, by the way.

At ET Thanks for a nice story once again.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493948]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.[/QUOTE]I learned about family relations in Third World countries from an economic perspective and years later from a social perspective. Your story is the first that 'brought these classes together'. Refreshing my knowledge. Thanks. Hope you are well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2494055]Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.[/QUOTE]You would be correct. You are a good man.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2494014]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.[/QUOTE]Haha. You were a patient wing man my friend.

I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.

Why is the bar all curtained off?

Some may not know this but Walking Street had live streaming from 2015 to 2018. Not sure if it's still up. LK Metro has had it as well but it's been down since the lockdown.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2494640]I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.[/QUOTE]I spent 10 minutes watching a live stream from a soi 6 bar on YouTube and it was just depressing. The only comprehensible thing they said was "thank you ka" and they repeatedly all chanted together "ring a bell! Ring a bell!" And they were clearly drinking water but pretending they were tequila shots.

There really do seem to be enough sad wankers in the world to pay for this shit so I think it will continue. However, I don't think it will continue in bar areas because some entrepreneur could just set up some out of town studio made to look like a bar and save on overheads.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2494640]I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.[/QUOTE]Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2494735]Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?[/QUOTE]He probably is the manager, and in regards to the post before this "sad wankers" are the eternal bane to all of us. This includes the sad wankers who fall in love with bar girls and take them back to the west or send them allowance, or sad wankers who feel they need to pay more in order to be able to compete with the non sad non wankers. They have always been there, just this mutation is the worse as these sad wankers get literally nothing for their spent dollars euros pounds etc.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2494735]Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?[/QUOTE]I hear internet may be turned off soon. Something about protests. LOL.

[QUOTE=*****man;2494723]I spent 10 minutes watching a live stream from a soi 6 bar on YouTube and it was just depressing. The only comprehensible thing they said was "thank you ka" and they repeatedly all chanted together "ring a bell! Ring a bell!" And they were clearly drinking water but pretending they were tequila shots.

There really do seem to be enough sad wankers in the world to pay for this shit so I think it will continue. However, I don't think it will continue in bar areas because some entrepreneur could just set up some out of town studio made to look like a bar and save on overheads.[/QUOTE]I've watched this craziness a few minutes each of the last 3 days. I jump from bar to bar and I cannot say if it is more pathetic from the girls' end or the men's end. I'm surprised that anybody buys a drink, but it happens more than I would have expected. 150 baht per drink. I get bored watching after about 2 minutes per bar. I don't see the point from a man's perspective. I guess the girls just don't have a better option to earn money.

I never heard the bell ring, but one girl quoted 2500 baht to ring the bell.

I didn’t watch long enough to see if private video sessions exist, but I suspect that can be arranged. From what I’ve seen, the girl quality is typical of Soi 6.

Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. Some cute girl has 4 shots of tequila. A overweight guy comes over and starts grabbing her boobs and hanging on her in front of the camera. He then grabs one of the tequilas takes a smell and goes "its water its fkn water". Video now deleted haha. Like of course it was water.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2494873]Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. [/QUOTE]If you mean Wrath Bar, that is where the original pictures were from when I first posted about the guy buying drinks while not physically there. I did taste the drinks and it was watered down apple juice. Whenever I buy a chick a drink in a bar it is always Sangsom on the rocks, the same thing I am drinking. They do not get to choose one of those bullshit lady drinks.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2494873]Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. Some cute girl has 4 shots of tequila. A overweight guy comes over and starts grabbing her boobs and hanging on her in front of the camera. He then grabs one of the tequilas takes a smell and goes "its water its fkn water". Video now deleted haha. Like of course it was water.[/QUOTE]A girl in AC bar told me if they choose fruit juice as a lady drink she will get higher cut of money. I guess if they choose water it will be more money for her.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2494752]He probably is the manager, and in regards to the post before this "sad wankers" are the eternal bane to all of us. This includes the sad wankers who fall in love with bar girls and take them back to the west or send them allowance, or sad wankers who feel they need to pay more in order to be able to compete with the non sad non wankers. They have always been there, just this mutation is the worse as these sad wankers get literally nothing for their spent dollars euros pounds etc.[/QUOTE]Well, if you're in the US the choice is to sadly wank or to sadly bang stout hookers. Seeing that we're all concerned about expenditure, wanking is cheaper.

Dudes, enough about buying LDs over the internet! Haha.

OK, Secret said she is going to S. Korea under a 2-year contract to work on a vegetable farm and make enough money to pay off the farm to provide a better life for her family. She feels she has no other options as the bank is about to foreclose after giving her extra time months earlier. My first thoughts are of concern for her. I mean, I like this woman. I was looking forward to going to Phuket with her in just a few weeks and now that won't happen. I feel sick in the stomach and blindsided. I knew something was up as she had gone dark on me, but going to SK in a few days, maybe to never see or speak to me again? And to go work on a farm? Really? Am I missing something here? (duh, probably!

To accept this story and what she is supposedly about to do, you have to accept that she is a proud woman, perhaps ashamed that she degraded herself to go work in Pattaya. Add that she failed to make the money she had expected to make there, and since I had not been helping her, her only remaining option was to go to SK to do, well, whatever she is going to do. Ask me for help? Well, from her standpoint, if I actually cared and wanted to help, I would have recognized her plight and would have offered to help weeks ago. But I did not offer any help. I was still not sure I could trust her to simply give her money, though had she first discussed this with me several weeks earlier, I may have. But she did not and now she had run out of options.

She did not want to talk about her decision at first, but I said she owed me an explanation and she began to give me the details. She did not volunteer any information, but she replied to every question I had without fumbling, which was a good sign. Over the hours, I became convinced she was being mostly truthful. We discussed details and she sent some photos of some documents I was partially able to decipher, so she was at least willing to go into the details and provide some backup into her decision. But she was pretty resolute about her need to go as it was what she "had to do". She was quite stoic in saying this was the only solution for her needs. She looked at how much she would make over a 2-year period and how that would transform her family. She may have been trying to make me understand why she had to go and that regardless of how she felt about me or even herself or of the work that she would be doing, her family's needs came first and she did not want to burden me with her hardships. She felt responsible for the fate of her family and if she had to go to SK, then SK she would go. But I knew that she would be in for a horrible experience. Could I let her go? Could I even stop her now? I owed her nothing at that point, but I could easily afford to help her and I had said she was "special", so was it time for me to prove it and do something to help her, or might it be best for me to take this opportunity to walk away?

She had explained the entire deal to me. She was not just packing a bag and flying to SK. Oh no. A neighbor who had worked in SK got her in contact with an agent, and she had been working with him this last week, working out a deal. It was a bit complicated but made sense, though he was certainly exploiting her desperation. I mostly believed her story. You can disagree with me, and I could write pages here to relate what she told me and why I believe, but many of you will still disagree and repeat yet again we can't trust BGs and are absolute fools to do to, and besides I am making everything up and droning on too long, so I won't bother. Haha.

And as I said earlier, I like this woman. I am not sure why necessarily, but I do. Foolish? Of course, but I decided that I did not want her to leave. I was really scared for her. We had shared thousands of text messages and we got to know a lot about each other and this was a good woman who needed some help. If I could drop some money to keep her in Thailand and thus keep the Phuket trip alive, I decided I was willing to do that. She felt there were no options. But no contract had yet been signed nor am I exactly poor, so of course there were options.

Now, I had been assuming that she truly was going to SK. But the other possibility was that the entire trip to SK was a scam and she never had any intentions of going. If I went along with it, she could get money to 'save the farm' and still go to Phuket. If I didn't fall for it and not offer to send money, she could later claim the deal for SK fell through and we could still go to Phuket, and she could still ask for money in the meantime, though not as much. Such a scam was a real possibility and one I considered. It was only after going into the details of the agreement she was about to sign did I come to dismiss it. I cannot prove 100% she was not scamming me, but months later I found her social media page and right there, days before we were having this discussion, she had a post telling everyone she was going to Korea. (Was this, too, part of the scam? A fake post for me to possibly discover? No. If she was thinking about me reading her social media a year ago there would be subsequent posts that she would NOT have made! Haha I may bring up a few later on.).

I just had to figure out what her financial requirements for the immediate future were. And it was simple – she had to pay the current mortgage that was due in 10 days! And do that 5 more times in subsequent months. Pay six times on time and the mortgage is paid! It only gets complicated if you have to bring in an exploitative, greedy agent and a contract.

I did have the money to pay. A negligible amount for me, a life changing event for her if she agreed to my help. I felt I knew her fairly well. I knew she was big on loyalty and keeping promises. So to get her attention away from what she felt she HAD to do, I said, "You told me would you go to Phuket with me next month then go on a cruise with me in April. I have spent money on reservations and plan. Don't break your promises to me. I can help you. " She said "No one can pay for me. ".

If she was scamming me, she would likely jump at any offer I made to give her a bunch of money. But rather than ask me how much money I would give her, the question was, "How will you help me?

I replied that I could pay it all for her if she would keep her word to me. What then happened? She was hesitant. She told me she would need the first payment to the bank by the 5th. Could I do that? I said that I could. She said she was to sign the contract with that dude in just a few days, kind of implying if she trusted me to send the money and I didn't, she might lose it all. I said yes, I can get her the first payment on time. As she contemplated this new option, she started to open up a bit. She said "I am afraid of traveling. I can't think of anything else to do. " (And I knew she was thusly afraid as we had talked about this months earlier.) She asked what I wanted from her to do this, not a question I would have expected from one simply out for money and looking to run away with it. I said she only had to do what we had already planned to do, namely for her to go to Phuket with me in November and take a cruise with me from Singapore next April.

It did take her a while to accept my offer. I think she was very aware that she had to trust me entirely, but it was trust me now or go to SK. But she knew me and I had yet to let her down, so she did agree. She cancelled with the agent, I sent her the first payment, she paid it to the bank (I presumed) and we begin to finalize our plans for Phuket.

So with Secret safely at home, will we meet up in Bangkok and fly off to Phuket in a few more weeks? And, if so, can we stand being around each other nearly 24 hours a day for nearly 2 weeks? Or, if not, did she take my money and [I]still[/I] run off to SK or simply feel I was not an easy target for money and it was best to move on? Haha Sooooo many possibilities.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2495142]Dudes, enough about buying LDs over the internet! Haha.


I did have the money to pay. A negligible amount for me, a life changing event for her if she agreed to my help.

If she was scamming me, she would likely jump at any offer I made to give her a bunch of money. But rather than ask me how much money I would give her, the question was, "How will you help me?

.[/QUOTE]Looks like you still have not got over this woman. She scammed you. Plain and simple. All the money is hard earned and it is valuable. Do not justify her actions. Obviously you are not the only person she scammed.

I too got scammed once. I sent 400 pesos fare to a girl for transportation. Did it bother me? Ofcourse! She continued to give lots of reasons why she could not come and there was no way she could give the money back.

Just move on and chalk this up to experience. Do not get scammed again.

Do not fall in love with hookers.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2495160]Do not fall in love with hookers.[/QUOTE]One of the worst things about SE Asia is bar bores who won't stfu about "their" women. Good post but God, that guy is a bore.

I still don't get it. So, the broad was going to South Korea on a sex junket. What's the big deal. Lots of girls go to South Korea, Japan, Singapore to "work". Then they return to Thailand with money and happy memories or they are fleeced and taken advantage of. Either way they return and you can pick up where you left off.

My Mini has been to Japan several times. One winter she sent me pics of herself on skis at a real nice resort near Mt Fuji. She was having fun. I met Atomic on the night she returned to RB4 after a long trip to Japan. She said she liked Japan and she had met her at the time American boyfriend in Tokyo. A boyfriend means he gets it for free while I pay Atomic, so by definition, I am not her boyfriend, thank Buddha, but I still love her, ha ha. I just don't want to own her, change her, or be responsible for her. On several different occasions she forgot to turn off her cell phone and a different boyfriend tried to call while we were shagging. She let the phone ring and called him back later after we were done and while I was relaxing smokin' a Cohiba on the balcony. I could hear her make up excuses as to why she did not answer his call. Then she would join me on the balcony and we would laugh and talk about it.

But getting down to your case: I still don't see what the big deal was. You liked the girl before South Korea, so why can't you like the girl after South Korea? Same girl except you fucked things up by bringing emotional BS into the relationship. Now, thanks to your bungling, she has lied to you and she has conned you out of some money. Now that she knows you can be had, it won't stop. The relationship is shot in and it is your fault. Oh well, live and learn. There are always another 100 girls right around the corner just your type. But next time don't blow it! Or blow it if that's what turns you on. It is entirely up to you.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2495142]I just had to figure out what her financial requirements for the immediate future were. And it was simple she had to pay the current mortgage that was due in 10 days! And do that 5 more times in subsequent months. Pay six times on time and the mortgage is paid! [/QUOTE]That's all she needed? 6 months mortgage payments? I would have paid that for someone I truly like in a heartbeat, whether she is a bargirl or a civilian girl making 300 baht per day. I'm assuming mortgage payments in North Thailand aren't huge.

Curious as to how much she was told she was going to make in Korea as a farmer?

FLHawk.

Send her the dang money! Shit, how the hell did you make it in life? Analysis paralysis at its finest.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2495142]Or, if not, did she take my money and [I]still[/I] run off to SK or simply feel I was not an easy target for money and it was best to move on? Haha Sooooo many possibilities.[/QUOTE]Your posts and the story about that girl are showing that you are an easy target for money.

FLHawk.

I haven't being paying attention.

When did all this happen?

Has she got a passport?

Why didn't you just take her to South Korea and verify the story?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2495142]OK, Secret said she is going to S. Korea under a 2-year contract to work on a vegetable farm and make enough money to pay off the farm to provide a better life for her family.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what Secret is thinking at this point, but I couldn't dismiss her stated plan because it's a realistic way to make some money

Right now I have a Thai lady friend who is in Europe working in the food service industry, she started in June 2019 and expects to return to Thailand in July 2021. Weekly video chats indicate she is doing well and that she sends good chunks of money to Thailand. That system works for her. I have another Thai lady friend who hasn't worked since April and is considering doing something similar. Both of these ladies were hotties 10 years ago but are now past their Nana Plaza P4P sell by dates (both still look good enough for Soi 6).

Unless FL Hawk is ready to marry Secret, it seems to me that the best approach might be to buy her a bottle of sunscreen and say goodbye. Find someone else for the Phuket trip.

I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2495388]I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.[/QUOTE]Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.

In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2495388]I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.[/QUOTE]That bore deserves whatever he gets. A real case of being off his meds. How is the horse trading? I missed out on the fairs over summer.

Is secret facially challenge, perhaps a 4 or 5?

I'm pretty sure the good lookers know they going to Korea to provide Sex.

FL, I am following your story with great interest. It doesn't provide any insight in prices and services, but it definitely is a good piece of writing and very entertaining to read. The best stories are written by real life.

It's also interesting for me because a similar story happened to me. It was in a different country and the lady I*met was a freebie who looked for casual sex. Not sure how the Secret story will end, but like in your story, unexpected things happened in my story. It is still ongoing so I*might publish it at some time, but I am not a good writer like you. Keep up the good work!

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2495392]Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.

In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.[/QUOTE]It seems you know about collective culture and the rent party is definitely new to me. Thanks. But whatever the outcome of Hawk's story, it is possible to borrow money and have the farm as a collateral. That would apply especially to a situation where the sum is too large or the season is not good for asking money from your friends. For example the time that you have to pay things for your farm, like seed and fertilizer. That comes for all the community in the exactly same time. You could call such a loan by the bank a mortgage. So, what is new.

At Hawk.

If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money. You like her. You would act according to your own goodness of heart. And not to this distrust that seems to trickle into your story all the time. Even if you still don't trust her you could just ask an IOU that is verified. If you can put that into a legal document you could sell it. Probably lose a bit on it's default value, but so what. But thanks for the update. It remains a nice story.

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2495742]The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.[/QUOTE]Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]You can incorporate this one into your flight legs: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Hopper[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]If you can be flexable on when you can travel and search daily you can usually find a round trip business class seat for around $3000. This will allow you to lay flat and sleep for most of the flight. Of course this was my experience pre-covid. Who knows what it will be like when things open back up. I just hope we get all the direct flights back we had from Houston. I loved flying the non-stop on Air China from IAH to PEK. Lots of connections from PEK and if I wanted to lay over it wasn't hard to find a cutie to play with and help with the jet lag.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents.

I have done many multi city flights so that I can visit as many countries as possible mostly for sightseeing. I like long flight to Asia and hop short flights to nearby destinations. If you go to middleast via Turkish, Emirates, Qatar etc that will be two long flights.

When you travel to Asia you still need couple of days to recuperate before indulging in our hobby fully.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone! All great answers from obviously experienced travellers.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495751]Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.[/QUOTE]You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2495823]You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?[/QUOTE]Depends. I mean he can use depends with his meds!

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2495667]Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.[/QUOTE]You can hop flights to Honolulu, Guam to Asia.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2495801]Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents. [/QUOTE]You can book stopovers through some airline websites. I've done it many times with Thai and Singapore Airlines. You need to choose the multi-city option when you book.

(I originally posted this reply in the General section, but since everyone is replying here I have re-posted it over here where it is in context with the current conversation).

I used to enjoy laying over for a couple of nights in Amsterdam on my way to and from Thailand. I liked the Coffee shops, walking around the red light districts, and then doing the shop girls stoned on Nederhash. I have not flown the trans-European route in a long time, ultimately preferring the longer trans-Pacific no layover route, but I am sure that post pandemic USA-AMS-BKK flights will be available again. The shortest duration USA trans-pacific route is to either Manila or Hong Kong. Hong Kong sucks now and I will never lay over there again, but Manila is a great place to stop off for a few days on the way to BKK. So is Singapore if you don't mind spending a few bucks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2495392]Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.

In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.[/QUOTE]Finally getting the chance to kick a bit back and catch up here as I noted early a month up here in the wife farm. First couple of days hook up the water / drain line for her kitchen sink and washer. Then today painted 3 window shuttles in the brazing sun using the make shift Thai ladder. Family getting a blast how I'm doing everything as my wife calls it " Make in the USA " what shocking is they couldn't believe my painting skills, using oil, not one drop on the floor just taking a large cardboard and moving it. Next week is my son cultural indoctrination into the Monk Temple.

I haven't responded to Hawks writing " Secret " for me what is really the secret? The outcome is obvious different writer different name and different day. Sometimes like kids like my Granddaughter no matter how many times they are told not to touch the fire they do some due to being curious they is how they learn. Some read all the books go by their experiences yet come away with little? The writing is about 1 thing yet there is 99.9% more in making it work even 50% and it doesn't matter whether it is a bargirl or not! We grow up with what we learn in the West it is taken for granted it is tough if not impossible to not apply it here? I hear people say " I understand " but next word or move same action.

When it comes to the Thai culture they have really done a number on the female here making them feel guilty or responsible so much that they selll themselves to us and even their own. Who really knows the truth but as one poster noted why all of a sudden the farm is having a problems. I too read the writing with interest but there are warning signs everywhere believe or not the 2 year contract is a big red flag although I'm sure there are some majority of them are at best for 1 year. Thais with very little education everything seems to be based on hearsay, rumors and superstitious they have their own network so unless they know first hand someone who has actually gone abroad they might getting themselves into something they can't get out. For someone who doesn't even like to travel to Bangkok now is going to take a 2 year contract?

Thais that have very little are surprisingly very resourceful in the end they seem to make it happen? Looking for Love, it comes down to the more you give the more they love why do you think they call us ATM, even if she Loves when you get over that huddle it is only the first one what is he going to do the rest of the race or journey? I being Asian it comes down to this! If she is looking for Love they might as well stay with her own race this I know has come out of the mouth of many Thais I know who are BG or just normal. Any Thai who is with a foreigner is to have a better life just like winning the lottery if she was sitting eating Songtam with her family and friends they be comparing and if she told them it is just love and got nothing she would be laughing and rolling on the ground but of course Thai aren't going to do that they will wait until she turns her back.

Finally took a shit today I had to squat for 5 minutes my legs nearly gave out!

I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.

[QUOTE]Sammon: Looks like you still have not got over this woman. She scammed you. [/QUOTE]Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.

[QUOTE]Natty: The relationship is shot and it is your fault. [/QUOTE]If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.

[QUOTE]Banana Boi: I would have paid that for someone I truly like in a heartbeat, whether she is a bargirl or a civilian girl making 300 baht per day. [/QUOTE]Good man and good friend.

[QUOTE]Dg8787: Send her the dang money! Shit, how the hell did you make it in life? Analysis paralysis at its finest. [/QUOTE]Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.

[QUOTE]Paolo99: Your posts and the story about that girl are showing that you are an easy target for money. [/QUOTE]Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?

[QUOTE]MeltonPie: Why didn't you just take her to South Korea and verify the story? [/QUOTE]What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.

[QUOTE]Danny Duck: .Insults Secret's face. [/QUOTE]You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?

[QUOTE]German Man: I am following your story with great interest. [/QUOTE]Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.

[QUOTE]DioRetz: If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money? [/QUOTE]It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.

[QUOTE]LittleBigMan: The outcome is obvious; different writer, different name, and different day. {punctuation added for clarity}[/QUOTE]Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.

And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?

A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2495831](I originally posted this reply in the General section, but since everyone is replying here I have re-posted it over here where it is in context with the current conversation).[/QUOTE]I also posted my reply in the General Reports section since that's where the discussion of layovers and jet lag belong imo. Not reposting it here as it is imo not Pattaya specific.

From the BKK thread but I will apply it to Pattaya.

Cheap Charlie Budget:

Food. Cheap breakfast 99 baht. Somtam for lunch 40 baht. Street cart noodles dinner 60 baht. Bottled water for the day 50 baht.

Transportation. Baht bus 20 baht. Motorbike 100 baht.

Condo - 6 k per month so 200 baht per day.

Soi 6 or G club in the afternoon - 120 baht for your drink.

Gogo bar or bar beers at night - 300 baht per night for your drinks.

Lady drinks - 1 special lady will get a lady drink at one of the bars - 150 baht.

1 G club or Soi 6 girl in the afternoon - 1000 plus 300/350 barfine.

1 FL at night 600 baht.

So for just over 3000 baht per day you have banged 2 girls and groped many.

Watch out their might be Covid on the barstool you are sitting on. LOL.

That French lady caught Covid from interacting with infected gym equipment in Pooket.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2496199]From the BKK thread but I will apply it to Pattaya.

Cheap Charlie Budget:

Food. Cheap breakfast 99 baht. Somtam for lunch 40 baht. Street cart noodles dinner 60 baht. Bottled water for the day 50 baht.

Transportation. Baht bus 20 baht. Motorbike 100 baht.

Condo - 6 k per month so 200 baht per day.

Soi 6 or G club in the afternoon - 120 baht for your drink.

Gogo bar or bar beers at night - 300 baht per night for your drinks.

Lady drinks - 1 special lady will get a lady drink at one of the bars - 150 baht.

1 G club or Soi 6 girl in the afternoon - 1000 plus 300/350 barfine.

1 FL at night 600 baht.

So for just over 3000 baht per day you have banged 2 girls and groped many.[/QUOTE]Great report, Banana. I hope travel restrictions will be removed so I can visit again. Til then, keep the reports coming! It's very much appreciated. =).

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2496077]I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.

Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.

If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.

Good man and good friend.

Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.

Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?

What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.

You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?

Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.

It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.

Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.

And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?

A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.[/QUOTE]I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help. As I noted they have their own school in her village or farm way before she ever step foot into the business she basically has very little educationa and her mother even less. Just based on your comments when it comes to the farm it most likely isn't the first nor it be the last " interest only " sure didn't come from a bank. It isn't that she is a bad bar girl in many cases it will always be something for these girls as I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?

I wasn't born yesterday but as I noted the two year deal is a big red flag " Agent " I want to laugh stop rolling on the ground advance money that she will never be able to get out even if she works the field all day in between and working a massage parlor in Korea. I don't have enough text to explain how it works the cost to get her there which most likely is illegal and once there her passport is confiscated I think you assume what might happen thereafter. Sure it happens but a 2 year labor contract into another country and with a advance I've not seen or heard too many of those?

Depending on where she is from unless the family owns lots of rai I would think if real what you spend at GoGos might be able to pay the sum off? It kind of comes down to this for me we all be. S. You need to learn " Not the Art of the deal " but the Art of be. S. " You are asking some of the right question now ask for even more tell her you want to help but you don't have a lot of money but have to borrow it yourself to help that you know a friend of a friend if she can forward the contract the mother signed you can have a lawyer you know in Bangkok look at it and explain to you and if possible we can fix it so it doesn't happen again now wait for a reaction? This goes the same for the contract to Korea.

Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way but you are stuck in the Western way of thinking that she is going to just come right out and say you want love this is how much it is going to cost you a month for me to be yours.

What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSC4Q4_HXM[/URL]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2496862]I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help.[/QUOTE]Haha. I am here to educate and entertain. Best lessons are from real life examples. But I will not say much more about the loan and the land. I have not revealed it all and, as I said, I should write pages here and many here would still not believe. More may be revealed in the future. I will leave it at that.

[QUOTE] I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?
[/QUOTE]Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.

[QUOTE]

Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way....
[/QUOTE]True. She was very reluctant to talk about it. She felt shame.

[QUOTE] What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck![/QUOTE]As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2496077]Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?[/QUOTE]I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.

She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.

The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2496909]Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.[/QUOTE]It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?

This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2496931]This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.[/QUOTE]LOL Danny,

In other ISG threads, guys are currently discussing potential relationship with " nice and financially independent girls " flirting with them for weeks, with NO video-calls and then asking them to invest in f / x accounts.

They are not 100% sure if this is true interest in them or scam. Well.

So now with your recommendation, we are going full circle haha!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2496926]It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]I think it is time for a picture of the mystery girl. "Been doing this for 10 years," crikey, this story is turning into a farce.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2496909]As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.[/QUOTE]What does she got that is so different than other BGs?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2496924]I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.

She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.

The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Signs of hesitation? No, I think I left the impression I was totally insensitive! She left hints and I did not respond. I mean, she says "I need a job" and I say "I hope you find something. " Not until faced with losing her did I finally shell out some cash. I may show hesitation here in my writing about it all and, yes, I was hesitant about what to do at the time.

I had not been giving her much of anything, thus looking like a Cheap Charlie up until the time I did give her money. You can decide, if this goes on, if I return to be a cheap Charlie or if I start throwing out the cash upon the merest hint of need from her.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2496931]This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.[/QUOTE]Haha. I have lost more in options than I will ever lose to Secret, many times over.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2496926]It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstand. Industry. Electronics industry. She worked for a major electronics manufacturer for 10 years. She was moving up the ladder. She did not go to college, but she held a job of increasing responsibility. I have repeated many times she was a bar girl for less than 6 months. It is in her social media -- she left work to the surprise of her co-workers and a few days later she was a BG. Just like that. Factory to Soi 6. I would agree that if she had been in the adult business for much longer than 6 months it could not work. Part of her being "special" is a lot of the circumstances are "special".

OK, I sent Secret the first of 6 installments, as I had agreed. She, in turn, was to go to Phuket with me. Did she keep her word to me? If she was an evil BG out to scam me, might she take the money and run, or try to get a second payment out of me then run?

She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more. We had a lot of daytime fun. We did many tours and did many things and even took a cooking class. We went zip lining, canoeing and swimming. The only thing she asked me to buy was a bathing suit, and it was a cheap one, and I had offered to buy it weeks before the trip as she did not have one. Well, she had one with the name of her former bar. She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, no asking for stuff and politely declining offered gifts and basically being considerate of me. She would hold hands and would sit close to me on the buses, give light kisses occasionally and smile and laugh a lot, so she did display affection. She was just as delightful as ever and reminded me why I liked her so much.

So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG. As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did. She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever. Pointless to speculate on why she was passive. I should have asked her.

But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her. I mean, less than a year previous to this she had no idea that she would be become, well, a prostitute. She had a good job, had moved up the ladder a bit, and then BOOM, she had to degrade herself to bail out her mother's poor financial actions. But just imagine that you have not had a loving relationship for at least 10 years and, heck, maybe never, and now just having had to have sex with between likely 100 to 300 strange men, the vast majority you detest (and me being one of them), is it reasonable to feel for me the same way I was feeling about her? No, it isn't. It is reasonable to think that she might view sex with a bit of tension.

But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. At least coming from a BG or ex-BG, giving out sex is not really a sign. I might, for them, simply be a profession they are still engaging in with in. Secret was not displaying that at least! We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me. And a few were shy, thinking by giving sex they would somehow ruin things.

What actually made me to decide I wanted to keep seeing her will sound strange, but it was because she had been taking a ton of photos and videos of me and us, many of which I had not noticed she was doing. Women generally don't take photos of guys they have no feelings for. They may take selfies or photos of the attractions to post on social media, but not so many of the men they are with if they have no feelings for him. Secret took a bunch of videos of me zip lining, of us eating, walking along the beach, etc. She took of bunch of us together as well. If she was disgusted with me, she would not want to do that! And I saw where she sent pictures of us home to her mother. This all may sounds like a little thing, but love is comprised of a lot of little things. But what daughter sends pictures to her mother (and sisters) of a man she feels disgust for?

Anyway, the trip was a basic success, advancing our relationship a little. She was never like a BG, and she was a great GF during the day though a questionable GF at night. In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. I guess she had sufficient fun to make plans to meet again in April 2020 and go on that cruise. If a trip on the Quantum of the Seas cannot bring out some love or passion, then I may finally have to end this. But that is over 4 months away from this time. What bad can possibly happen before mid-April?

So, we said our goodbyes the next morning. She got a taxi to go back to her sister's and start a serious job search, and I took a taxi to BKK. I had given her the second mortgage payment plus I gave her enough to pay for work that she may have missed while waiting for me. With a job and with loan payments to worry about, she will be fine.

I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

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[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?[/QUOTE]Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.

My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]OK,

I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031] She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did.

She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever.

But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her.

But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me.

In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. [/QUOTE]Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!

You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.

That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.

F. H.

Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day.

You are trying hard but the more you write the more clear what the ending will be job electronics, ten years, six month Soi 6, wasn't push into the life style, didn't act like a BG, first payment. You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn some don't like Charlie Tuna go for the bait get thrown back into the ocean and take the bait again. You think she doesn't know why you came to Thailand for one thing and one thing only and no matter how close you get she will always know the reason you are here!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2497088]Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!

You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.

That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.[/QUOTE]Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more.[/QUOTE]I assume this all happened several months ago?

There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.

It's kind of the story behind why many of us entered the world of mongering, isn't it?

And, imo, it is a particularly pertinent warning for those of us who monger in Thailand because, no matter how cute or sexy they look, a good 90% of those Thai girls are by nature rather lousy in bed and rarely if ever improve over time.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]

So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG.[/QUOTE]That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, doing things that a "normal" couple would do and even taking me to their village to see their whole family. You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced. It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously. As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2497061]Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.[/QUOTE]Haha, so true. Well, I did briefly consider not admitting to that, but it IS part of story.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2497073]My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?[/QUOTE]I am wanting to get to the point where I CAN have a sincere relationship with her. But you are correct, before this relationship can become sincere, we will have to both be honest. And, spoiler alert, being honest can be painful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2497088] This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you! [/QUOTE]I was not expecting a freakish performance. I didn't want her to be a BG with me, and she was unable to be a GF with me yet. I was disappointed at the time but, in hindsight, I was asking too much too soon. And the cruise was still on regardless. Even if no love, she was still fun to be with, and a cruise with her would either have been a blast, or the afternoon boredom would have had us at each other's throats.

[QUOTE] Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not. [/QUOTE]I was most certainly not looking for her to ravage me. That would have been BG behavior for her and would have spelled the end. Well. No, it would have guaranteed one more trip I suppose! Haha But, a little more foreplay, or her even starting the foreplay, was what I was hoping for. And I realize that we all show love differently and, at that point in time, her taking those pictures was enough to show at least a tiny bit of affection.

[QUOTE] You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.[/QUOTE]You speak a bit of truth here, my friend. But I did think there was a little bit of compatibility between us. I had been with nearly 300 others, some prettier and more energetic, but I never fell for them. It was things that Secret did, seemingly non-BGish, that sparked my increasing interest in her. Remember, we barely talked about sex and love ever. It was the normal, everyday things we talked about that drew me in. But of course, it was my desire to keep seeing her that allowed the relationship to continue once she expressed an interest, especially after she quit the bar scene. And true, given our age difference, distance separation and cultural differences, all of which I understood from the beginning, this could not be an exactly smooth, natural development. That this relationship is clearly doomed to fail is apparent. How long will she or I keep it going? What will finally end it? I mean, it WILL end! Right?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2497098]F. H.

Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day. [/QUOTE]Haha. If I finish this story without throwing you a loop or two I will feel I have failed!

[QUOTE]You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn. [/QUOTE]Yes, thank you. I was fully aware the relation was likely to fail but, again, she was fun to hang with and I just couldn't stand the thought of not spending some more time with her before throwing in the towel.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2497108]Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem![/QUOTE]Maybe. Not really sure what problem you are referring to.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2497119]I assume this all happened several months ago?[/QUOTE]Just over a year.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2497138] There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.[/QUOTE]True. Well, I am getting old so bed performance will become less important over time! But note, I was not complaining that she was not a PSE. I was just hoping to see a bit of foreplay come from her.

[QUOTE==*****man;2497239]
That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, ..
[/QUOTE]You speak a great, general truth. But Secret was not telling me she loved me. She was not telling me I did not need to pay her (I will address this further below). She never told me I was the only one who ever made her feel that way. I wish! Haha I may wish, but I would not have believed her and had she said it I would have ended it.

[QUOTE]
You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced.
[/QUOTE]I said we were doing unique things? We had fun during the day and the nights were rather bland. I have no idea how she performed with her other customers, and these kinds of thoughts, to include how many men she had been with, are the kind of thoughts all who fall for a BG have to deal with and agonize over. Had she not quit the bar I don't think I could have continued to deal with it. Part of the desire is that she DID quit, well before being with thousands of men. Were she hardened, no way could I have dealt with it.

[QUOTE]It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously.
[/QUOTE]Perhaps.

[QUOTE]As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]I don't think they take a ton of photos and videos of the dude if they don't like him. They will mostly take selfies to send to their friends. I could see a BG taking a few to send home to show mom the "sap" who will be paying for their new motorbike, but not dozens shots and dozens of videos of just one more "sap". Indeed, back in May 2019 we went out to Ko Larn and she took her camera. She took a few selfies and landscapes and a couple of me. The action of a BG or GF? Who knows at that stage? 6 months later, she was taking tons of me and us. Rather than being meaningless, it was definitely far more GF than BG behavior.

Regarding the need to pay. In your case, I presume you were in Pattaya and the girl lived in Pattaya and all she had to do was come to your hotel. Worst case, she may have lost out a BF. To see me, Secret had to travel 6 hours to meet with me and even delay her job search by a month. She never asked me for money, I simply told her I would pay her what she lost from not having a job for that time period, the amount of which I guessed. Seemed fair. Look at it from her side. She had to travel to see me and hope I would sufficiently compensate her for the funds she was losing for not having a job. And what if I refused to give her loan money after the trip? Giving up a BF for a good customer is within the realm of a BG. Secret was risking tens of thousands of baht to see me. That sound like something a BG would be risking?

And you say Secret was like a BG for having passive sex? Would you also say she would be acting like a BG if she gave me a PSE? What if one night she started in doggie, then spoon, then missionary, then some oral, then some more miss and finished off with reverse cowgirl? Would that be a sign she was acting like a BG too? Heck, I would call that honeymoon sex. So, what kind of sex could an ex-BG possibly have that was not BG-sex then? What can make it one way or the other depends on their intentions and attitudes, which we can not always know.

There are countless stories of TGs going for the job to make money for themselves and / or family, and countless ways they fool farang men to get the cash. Money being the thing that drives everything.

However prior to my experience (that is still ongoing), I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.

If you stay with someone for a night or even two, even repeating that every now and then, you really don't get to see it (unless you really has eye into it or are a shrink). Met this gal almost a year back in WS club and took her for a night (she was quite new at the scene, finished with farang BF and come to work). She turned out to be in my all-time top 3 for her work and she really liked sex herself too, so became a regular, 1-2 times a week, and eventually agreed to a discounted deal for a month as she asked for it. That ended up being quite weird as she simply could not stay the month as she wanted to go to WS pretty much every second day. Can't take the bar out of girl I thought and just let it go, still continued to see her simply because she was good in her work. But it turned out it was not (at least only) that can't take bar out of girl, she was a 99% schoolbook narc.

Then the covid came and clubs closed. Business opportunity for her was substantially reduced (she had not worked via online channels, not her thing I think as she don't get the narc kicks from that) - so she asked for the long time deal again. By that time I already understood she was a narc, however thought not much to loose as can not go out myself to hunt anyway, and she was good. So stayed with her the 3 month closure period, and as expected, when it was over, she just had to go back. Continued on and off as she kind of wanted that I keep her as GF, yet she could not stay with me full time. By that time I had read enough about the disorder and just decided, knowing the risks, to play and see how the whole thing will work out. She went on and off, blocked me at one time, and again after a week or two came back telling how much she wants to be with me, and after a while same happened again. Few time since June, and currently situation is she blocked me again, I just waiting for how long. If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back.

Every time she had stayed for few days, the moment came when she out-of-blue blamed me of something, not loving her as she loves me as she says. Initially was kind of weird experience as I knew what she said was not true; later it became kind of entertaining. Projecting her own actions on me and using that as excuse to finish, just like a narc does.

One time she was looking at the pictures I took of her, and told me my phone camera is not good as it had some imperfections showed on her skin that she did not see herself. Weird. She is good looking, however not perfect (esp face skin), though she herself think she is. Expecting compliments of appearance all the time and if not given, asking for those. Really a full-blown narc.

Wondering how common this disorder is among the working girls as for a narc woman, to work as a freelance hooker in a club is probably really rewarding.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2497467]There are countless stories of TGs going for the job to make money for themselves and / or family, and countless ways they fool farang men to get the cash. Money being the thing that drives everything.

However prior to my experience (that is still ongoing), I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.

If you stay with someone for a night or even two, even repeating that every now and then, you really don't get to see it (unless you really has eye into it or are a shrink). Met this gal almost a year back in WS club and took her for a night (she was quite new at the scene, finished with farang BF and come to work). She turned out to be in my all-time top 3 for her work and she really liked sex herself too, so became a regular, 1-2 times a week, and eventually agreed to a discounted deal for a month as she asked for it. That ended up being quite weird as she simply could not stay the month as she wanted to go to WS pretty much every second day. Can't take the bar out of girl I thought and just let it go, still continued to see her simply because she was good in her work. But it turned out it was not (at least only) that can't take bar out of girl, she was a 99% schoolbook narc..[/QUOTE]It has been suggested many other times that rather than narcissism, that it is borderline personality disorder which is prevalent throughout the industry. I have seen it a few times myself and have become quite attuned to its signals. Too much to write about it here, do some research online and you might agree.

It may be a stupid question but I have been in Pattaya for just 1 day for the first time last month (and I will be going to Pattaya for 2 more days next week). Could someone suggest me some short time Hotels along the beach road or near Soi 6 or 8? Are there any?

On my last visit to Pattaya, I thought it would be quite simple to find a short time hotel (if I ended up needing one for a Thaifriendly girl) as the likes in Bangkok along Soi 4 or Soi 7/1 etc. But at the end any google search didn't help at all and also the TF girl had no clue: the.

Is there a medical condition for Guys who sign service contracts with Bargirls. LOL.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going.[/QUOTE]First, if she really wants to show she is not a BG then simply acting in the opposite way would be an obvious choice. But that is the Western point of view. She is from the East and if she really sees you as a potential life partner than she would act like she was told most of her life: submissive to her man. I encountered some non-working girls in Thailand (From Bkk on holiday in Chiang Mai) and they are extremely shy. So her behavior is maybe not what you would like but I do think she was acting truthfully. By the way any man that thinks a woman, any woman, would pollute her camera with loads of your pictures if she dislikes you, just seems fit here: go mongering. You don't get it.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her.[/QUOTE]That is your Western point of view. To understand her you would have to learn a bit about her culture. Not just in books but asking her and be amazed at times.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497031]Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?[/QUOTE]You did it before. You will do it again. What is more troublesome is that you still ask truthfulness from Secret. And you will reward that with money? Really? Then some people here still think about her deceiving you for money. To me it just seems the other way round.

Well, seems this gal has good coverage of symptoms from both BPD and NPD lists. Would need someone with more knowledge of the subject matter to make a definite classification if it has to be one or the other.

Nevertheless, has been quite enlightening experience for me as have not experienced this type of person before in any kind of personal relationship. Seen some narcs in work but is different.

One weird case when she was on her off-cycle and suddenly contacted me to go and pay her bill at doctor / hospital. I just told I will only give money if stay with me, and she just hang up. Lately the incident came up in another discussion and she was wondering why I did not come and pay for her. She told some other guy (customer or sponsor not sure) she contacted send her money. Further, she was wondering why I not give her money more than agreed as some other guys are sending from overseas, those being the 'good men', whereas I was 'not a good man' at that moment. I asked why she does not want to have sex for free, and she completely did not understand how that relates to whether guys send her money or not. She just felt blindly entitled to get the cash. Weird.

[QUOTE=Ncc1701A;2497583]It has been suggested many other times that rather than narcissism, that it is borderline personality disorder which is prevalent throughout the industry. I have seen it a few times myself and have become quite attuned to its signals. Too much to write about it here, do some research online and you might agree.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2497467]I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.[/QUOTE]It is not narcissism. It is called being in your 20s. That is why I laugh when guys are thinking these freelance chicks are only thinking about money. Wrong. They are thinking about having a good time.

When I was in my 20's that is all me and my friends did too. We had the VIP cards to all the clubs in Atlanta and damn near every night we were going out partying. These chicks are no different; especially when they have been sitting on a boring ass farm waking up at 4am all of their lives.

If you want to make a deal like that then do it with either a chick that is in her 30's or a chick that has a normal job to go to everyday. Stop being surprised when party girls want to keep being party girls. You are not going to tame any wild mustangs in Pattaya. Get you a couple of rides and move on.

I am all aware that it is not only money that matters (I am in the same group with you re the price we accept to pay, and still have no shortage of company), as well as of the party girl feature (she definitely is, just like many other), and well aware that vast majority of the freelance gals are not interested or capable to stay put for long. It is all normal in the setting. However this chick has so many abnormal traits that are downright strange so that after a short while with her (on and off) it became clear that some part of wiring in her head is wrongly connected and / or missing. She simply is disconnected from reality at times, delusional, projects her own behavior to me as an explanation of why she got angry etc. Triggered me to actually read more about NPD, however knew enough to begin with so that noticed the thing in her early (may well be BPD; anyway something that makes her impossible to behave normally).

She actually has passed 30, and has some baby damage on belly (but still good looking) so it is not about age nor she would not have experience of life. Never worked in farm either. Not willing to tell much about the split with the father actually correlates with the disorder, most likely the reason.

Anyway, enough said, this is not a shrink forum so would need to raise the subject in some other place for further analysis and comments. However was / is so interesting experience that thought would post here. Now wondering if fucking her is over for good or she come back again after a period of blocking 555.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2497774]It is not narcissism. It is called being in your 20s. That is why I laugh when guys are thinking these freelance chicks are only thinking about money. Wrong. They are thinking about having a good time.

When I was in my 20's that is all me and my friends did too. We had the VIP cards to all the clubs in Atlanta and damn near every night we were going out partying. These chicks are no different; especially when they have been sitting on a boring ass farm waking up at 4am all of their lives.

If you want to make a deal like that then do it with either a chick that is in her 30's or a chick that has a normal job to go to everyday. Stop being surprised when party girls want to keep being party girls. You are not going to tame any wild mustangs in Pattaya. Get you a couple of rides and move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2497809] However was / is so interesting experience that thought would post here. Now wondering if fucking her is over for good or she come back again after a period of blocking 555.[/QUOTE]Strange that you enjoy being treated that way.

You should dump her and block her just the same way she does to you, and you shouldn't give her any more money no matter how juicy her pussy is.

That's how you should treat a girl that thinks you're her kitten, unless you like it of course.

If you let that going on she might destroy you for good before you realise it.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2497467]If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back. [/QUOTE]

Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).

This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.

You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.

It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.

Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2497895]Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).

This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.

You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.[/QUOTE]

OK. So I am looking for love with Secret and the instant she leaves I head to Pattaya? Well, had she been a pure GF to me, I was prepared to spend the rest of the trip with her. But that did not happen, indeed, it [I]could [/I] not happen, so how could I travel to Thailand and not monger a bit, especially when our sex had been so, well, frustrating? We had no commitments to each other so I am quite sure she would not be too upset if she found out. Some may say I am insensitive or being disrespectful to her regardless. Perhaps I am, but we are in a strange relationship where the normal dating rules don't apply.

That said, I had a lousy time in Pattaya. I met up with Monkey Paw a few evenings and I totally bored him. The agogos were hopping but I did no mongering there. I visited Soi 6 a few times, sure to wear my sunglasses and a cap and to avoid the area around Secret's former bar. If I was spotted, I never heard about it. Seems like I met up with Mr. E one afternoon. He is always a blast and he brings laughter and sage wisdom. Then I got the Pattaya Blues for a few days plus the Hershey Squirts, but when the squirts stopped I just didn't have the desire to do anything. I think I had maybe 5 or possibly 6 bar fines the entire time, when I am known to have 3 to 4 in a single day. Oh well. Good practice for quarantining. But were my blues due to a sense of guilt, that I was cheating? Not sure. Maybe, or perhaps it was a general depression, a renewed realization I am aging, a lack of hot-looking girls on Soi 6 or a specific depression that I was wasting time and money on Secret when there were others I could and should be concentrating on who were more suitable for me? It was probably a combination of it all. For the first time I was almost happy to finally be leaving Pattaya. Sheesh, am I regretting this now?

But, after the trip, Secret stayed with her sister in Bangkok and got a job back in the electronics industry. She was slowly opening up to me a little more as her financial concerns were abating. I mean, her land was being paid off and she was working so this was a good time for her and she was generally happy and relaxed. But the grind eventually started to wear on her. She was back to the 10 hour per day, 6 days per week hell so common in Asia. She had less time to text but we still kept in contact most every day. Over the next two months we discussed our next trip and politely flirted with each other. No sex talk ever, just general stuff, again like she was a shy, old fashioned semi-girlfriend or potential GF, but too busy to talk to her boyfriend or potential boyfriend as much as he would have liked. She did say I was her lone boyfriend, that she was my girlfriend, and that she wanted to go places and do things with me again. I don't know. That could simply be uninspired BG talk as easily as it could shy GF talk. But talk was all we had at this point. From photos and texting times, and from the social media postings I discovered later, she what she said she was doing.

But yeah, it was a boring time with us having to be apart 4-1/2 months. Then the virus came to Bangkok. She was scared. Her mother was concerned and wanted her to return home, but there was no work at home. Then things appear to fall apart between us. She would say all was ok, but I was sensing a change.

As we entered into another month of being apart I expressed concerns we were not texting as much as we should, and she asked me to understand that she wasn't able to text due very much to her work. This was how things were before her accident. I should add that we were only texting. (Chatting was not effective for us due to her poor English and my non-existent Thai. I will also add that had we been able to effectively speak to each other, some of the problems we had would not have occurred.) She described all she had to do in a day and, yeah, I understand, but one makes time for those you love. So, poor, poor Hawk. But looking back, of course, with all of her worries and responsibilities she was dealing with, that we texted as much as we did was actually amazing and I feel guilt in myself in pressuring her for more. A few times, I admit, I felt that with the money I was giving her she should be giving me more of her time, but that admissions itself sort of showed I was still thinking of her as being like a BG! It is easy to find faults in others but miss those same faults in yourself. She was asking for patience.

But for the man trying to find love with a BG or ex-BG while also trying to protect his assets, he needs to be diligent in ensuring she is not unduly trying to take advantage of him. For example, if she keeps asking for money while barely communicating with him, and especially if her texting history is erratic, he needs to be careful. If she says she is working in a factory 8 AM to 6 PM, are her texts and photos consistent with that? If she is sending texts at 1 AM her time on a Wednesday night, then you may have a cause to worry. And if she doesn't text for a day or two, you may really have a cause for worry. Same if she had been sending you periodic photos and, all of sudden, she stops. And I was beginning to see some of this. There would be periods of time with no messages. She had already cut back on photos, and now she was sending fewer, saying she had no time. Well, um, she can't spare 15 seconds during her ride to and from work to send a freaking photo to the man who saved her from going to Korea?! Sigh. Something is going on!

You are seeing my jealousy starting to creep in. I remember the song "When you're in love with a beautiful woman" haha.

[I] When you're in love with a Pattaya bar girl, you look for lies; You know that it's crazy; you want to trust her; then it takes two days for her to send you a text; [/I] haha.

And "One way love, it pulls you in and drags you down".

Can I really trust her? Has she found someone else to spend her free time with? Is this simply proof she has limited feelings for me and is slowly getting tired of the hassle of keeping m around, and she simply wishes to keep me sufficiently happy for another month or two to get out of me what she can? So as CV-19 is making a mess, our relationship, or whatever kind of relationship we have, is also turning into mess. I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2497895]This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble. [/QUOTE]This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938]
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.[/QUOTE]A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her.

So many thoughts come to mind. I made a list, but deleted it before posting.

I fully understand the blues you were feeling, same feeling happens to all of us when we lose a girlfriend. Empty. Lost. Hope you are well cured now.

There's no doubt in my mind many Bargirls are out to party and make money. The question is do they want to do it with Farang Senior Citizens. LOL.

Going clubbing with young Koreans I get. Come on, with old Pensioners? Let's be real now.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2497943]This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.[/QUOTE]This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.

No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.

The only time I ever asked for a refund was on soi 6. I took a girl upstairs, she wouldn't shower together and wanted to be paid before service. I said no and went back downstairs with girl following me. I told mamasam what happened. She asked girl who answered in thai. Mamasam gave me back my barfine and girl gave me the glare for weeks after when she saw me.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2497963]This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.

No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938]"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.[/QUOTE]At least she was honest about het sex life. Probably the best proof you can have about 'her being truthful to you' before that. She probably has entered the transition to a hardened bargirl. I might speculate for the reasons but I won't. It would be just that: speculations. I thank you very much for this story. It is written quite objectively. It added to my understanding and gave a 'real life example' of the things I learned in university.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938] I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.[/QUOTE]Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?

[QUOTE=*****man;2498088]Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?[/QUOTE]I have met tones of jerk offs like him in Pattaya's bars. When they go on like this, you make your excuses and high tail in to another bar. The expression bar bore exists for a reason. If he wants feedback for what passes for his writing, this board is not the place. He is being entertained here because things are dead.

Yes it is not about not treating decent, on the contrary actually.

Anyway well understood the concerns of dealing with the case, but expect this will die naturally as I expect she will get more narc supply (cash and drinks) from others going forward as clubs are open, and she is of the type that sells easy at good price as long as market is open.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2497909]It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.

Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938]I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, [b]but then one always has to wonder about the translation[/b]. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.[/QUOTE]I run into the same thing with chicks except from Secret's end. Chicks expect because they are not busy and have time then I should have time too. And I am like bich I am busy. Yeah they also think I am being rude and trying to hurt their feelings.

Because I am writing with them they want to send voice messages or press video call then get mad when I decline it or tell them to write instead. Just because I can write right now does not mean I can talk or video. Then I may have a long ass day and do not feel like being bothered.

Chicks begging me to send pictures and shit. I am like how many pictures of me do you fucking need? Or when they keep sending pictures I am like why does this broad keep sending all these pictures (and it is mostly of food.) I don't need to send somebody a picture of the hot dog I had for lunch or me sitting on the couch watching TV. Let a mf have some space.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938]"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.[/QUOTE]Hawk there is a little hopeless romantic in me and I was pulling for you to somehow get this to work. But at this point you need to move on at least emotionally. You may text with her once in a while but the odds are really stacked against you. With Covid around you won't be seeing her for quite a while. As to her slowing down on texts think about that. Bar girls are on their phones all day long at work and she can't find time to text?

I'm enjoying the updates and appreciate the time you take to post them. I await update #8 if there is one.

Well the OP can play it anyway he wants. If he wants to play the part of the conned, taken for a ride boyfriend that is fine with me. What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as naïve as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning. That is why I only lightly skimmed his subsequent chapters.

This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto.

I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible.

As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you. There are many, many really great new bar girls to meet and have GFE good times with. Do not go back to this one unless you enjoyed being taken for a ride, but if you did, in fact, enjoy the ride she put you through, I am sure you can offer her more money to be your one true love again and she will accept it with a smile.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498164]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.[/QUOTE]It's more likely just to mean working in a factory is like working in a bar. In other words something she doesn't want to do.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2497944]A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her.

So many thoughts come to mind. I made a list, but deleted it before posting.

I fully understand the blues you were feeling, same feeling happens to all of us when we lose a girlfriend. Empty. Lost. Hope you are well cured now.[/QUOTE]I never had a GF from a bar in the sense of committed BF GF relationship. As falling in love goes I guess you can always fall in love irrespective of what is the girls line of work. Sure, I had bargirls I liked and would love to be with them when I visit. But if she is not available I do not cry about it. You know what they plenty of pussy!

It will take a long time for this guy to get over this girl looks like. There are plenty of stories of how girls play you till you loose your money, sanity etc. I hope this guy will be okay. Best to stop all contacts. It may be hard but earlier the better.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2498217]I recall Hawk being over 70. Makes the the thing utterly Goofy-estorious. Age matters in these things.[/QUOTE]Well sometimes a man wants to believe. I can understand that, but the mind must rule over the heart or else you can get into a whole lot of grief. A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did. What if he had said no? She might have realized her error in judgement and changed her attitude or maybe not. No way of telling, but we all have had girls pitch real sad stories and ask for money. Girls, I might add, we just met. I resent the attempt and lower my estimation of the girl immediately. If the requests continue, I will simply delete her Line account. The girl has left me no other choice. But like I said, the good girls do not come up with the tragedies especially within 6 months of having a nice romp with them. That is breaking the unwritten p4 p deal.

And BTW, language and culture have something to do with it. More of my Filipinas girls have asked for wire transfers than my Thai girls or Indonesian girls combined, and I have probably shagged 7 to 8 times more Thai girls than PI girls. Go figure. LOL A common language is sometimes not a good thing. Still, in my humble experience, only a small number of girls pitch the tragic story and ask for WU.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498249]Well sometimes a man wants to believe. I can understand that, but the mind must rule over the heart or else you can get into a whole lot of grief. A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did. [/QUOTE]In this case the girl did not ask for money. He volunteered it as so many guys do.

After a hard day work on the wife farm with the list of stuff I need to do I thought I take a day off and sleep in bit since it was Sunday and I knew there was going to be a family member getting married a few doors but I thought that would be later on the day. Next thing loud speakers go off music louder than in a GoGo, it is 4 am and they are getting ready for the wedding wife tells me get up take a shower by 7 am we are still at the ceremony with monks and over a hundred family.

I took a few pictures for Hawk but not being techno couldn't seem to find out how to download it here? Heh Heh.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2497944]A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her. [/QUOTE]You kidding. With ratings even Trump would be jealous of no way. Incidentally best TV viewing anytime anywhere just round the corner and this time it could be more dramatic than anything we have witnessed before.

[QUOTE=*****man;2498183]It's more likely just to mean working in a factory is like working in a bar. In other words something she doesn't want to do.[/QUOTE]That was my interpretation as well. Whenever I don't understand what a girl means I always ask her right away. However, I rarely hang out and Line girls for long who don't have a pretty good grasp of English. Thai Engish is fine. I understand Thai style broken English. I remember one of the first girls I hung out with Thailand used Google translate to converse with me while I was sitting right beside her! I don't have the patience for Google translate.

[QUOTE=Danny Duck;2498217]I recall Hawk being over 70. Makes the the thing utterly Goofy-estorious. Age matters in these things.[/QUOTE]

Hey FL, you've aged!

I've more in the agreement with Mr. E they leave something out turn it around and don't even know it. No one has ever been around her to explain that she got it wrong. I wouldn't make too much out of not talking to them especially when it comes to a farang. Whether you know it or not speaking English isn't on the short list if you put money in their phone and allow them to talk if it is a Thai friend you will run out of money. Line is one of the best things for them if the WiFi is strong you got free calls and video.

Farangs we want to talk when it comes to us for them it is short and simple using line you send a sticky or two and it speaks volume to them. Because money was given to bail her out we want attention some appreciation when it comes to appreciation the western way mean one way to Thais it doesn't even come close to our definition or standard reason why questions are ringing? At times they don't even seem to know what it means?

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Yeah, I'm with a few others here in not really knowing what Secret means by that or if she really meant to say what that second sentence appears to say. If it does mean (she) LIKES working in a bar after all this bit about how she hated it, was not cut out for it and all, that would pretty much be par for the course, imo. But that might not really be what she meant to say.

I too have gotten many written messages from Thai girls where a key word or two has been left out, where they wrote "don't" when the really meant the opposite, or wrote "she" instead of "he", goofy translations and so on. A quick request for clarification would fix it and I am guessing he did ask but has yet to relate that part here.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2497938] But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. "..[/QUOTE]I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words.

I don't like Thai girls that much. So, I never even tried to repeat a session. (I save my money for FKK Germany.) But I have tried to talk to them via Google translate. Then still all these problems of misinterpretations keep coming up. They get bored by it before I do. Well, just enjoy the show. I do agree that once a girl asks for money beyond her fee, she is not to be trusted. But as far as I read this story, Secret just did not do that. Well, maybe her cunning plan was of a different kind. Who knows.

Seems I'm alone?

First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.

These application when it comes to Thai conversation take all the human factor out of the equation. I do a better job based on what they are saying add that with facial and body language.

Based on what FH, posted I'm more than convinced she really meant? That she doesn't work in a bar any longer but now a factory that being said I don't have the time I did when as a bargirl! Whether she does or doesn't isn't even in the equation maybe for another subject.

Those who say ask for a clarification is just opening another can of worms! Think about it! First most likely they don't even know or recognize the mistake now you want a clarification. As I noted the more one talks the more question if you were right there would see their facial expression that they aren't even listening they have tune you out. Critical thinking being criticized isn't in their teaching in Thai local govenment schools one of the reason when they get lost they don't even bother to do the simple thing and that is ask for direction! It makes them look stupid the same students don't ask questions in class either!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498164]"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.[/QUOTE]I don't know what her English level is, but if she wrote it in Thai and then translated it via an application or google translate it cannot be meaning what you said or what or said also.

If she wrote this sentence in Tha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498164]"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't finish my last post and don't know how to edit it.

If she wrote that sentence in Thai, and if FL wrote it exactly as she send it to him, the meaning is very clear and cannot be misunderstood.

It means she doesn't like to work in the factory. She likes to work in the bar. There cannot be any misunderstanding unless she wrote it in English out of her mind, and even then I really doubt she would wrote it that way.

Thais never use the word "like" as a synonym to the word "same" as we do in English. The Thai words that would translate to "like" are either the verb "to like" or "to love". If she was meaning "the factory is not the same as the bar" or "working in factory is same working in bar" as other forum members said, she would have used another word that translates directly to word "same". In this case, for me, it's very clear she said she likes working in the bar, and I'm not surprised at all by that statement.

The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. The internet has various farang sob stories about Thai girlfriends claiming to be in Isaan working at parents' farm while they are actually in BKK or Pattaya working in the bar. Not too different from the Secret story.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2498466]The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498472]I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?[/QUOTE]I've never found one who didn't know how to send a Line location. It was a Thai girl who showed me how to use it. Her ability to read my Line location and find me might not be very good.

Sometimes its precision isn't so good, maybe off by 200 meters. I've never seen it show the wrong city unless VPN or something else is involved.

Knowing lies are involved is one piece of the puzzle. If you are just banging her from time to time, it really doesn't matter. If you are paying off the farm mortgage and dreaming of a life together, it is a big deal.

I am late to the party, but some observations.

1. Seems all events were as per expected except for Secret's level of devotion, all things considered. I might even suspect there was more going on behind the scenes with her than what was reported or recognized.

2. Money and feelings are orthogonal to one another. They are not two ends of the same spectrum. Wanting money does not equate to not having feelings. Not wanting money does not equate to having feelings. The challenge in many situations such as these is that one person has an abundance of money and opportunity and the other does not. Should the one who does not be subject to excess scrutiny because she would like something of substance from the one who has money?

3. Even when receiving money from someone, it is fully understandable if the girl continues to seek money elsewhere. Their careers, if we can call it a career, are short. They can see beside them people who are at the end of their earning power and are about to return to life with next to nothing. Is it wrong of them to try to maximize earnings during the short time they have to make money?

4. Why should she stop working under vague promises from a foreigner? Would you go to work for a year or two or three without pay or being paid much less than you are worth under a non-contractual promise that all back pay will come to you in 2025?

5. Even in the present day, the girls are more often than not working from word of mouth, and urban myths about money, while facing so many people who are trying to free them of whatever money they are able to extract from foreigners. Is it not unsurprising that sometimes they make curious or seemingly silly decisions?

I mention all of this because when we contextualize this to the Secret story, then we actually see a girl who has interest in a foreigner, is willing to bend for him, but is confused because he seems to be testing her and not bending completely for her. She cannot trust him and even if she can trust the foreigner, she knows she should not trust him because her clock is ticking and she needs to take care of her financial responsibilities and her life while the short window to do so exists. Put another way, she incurs substantial opportunity costs in the relationship, so not surprising she becomes cold and distant as she feels that she is not understood and that maybe the guy in whom she had genuine interest, is only playing her for the short to medium term.

If one is generally interested in a relationship with any SE Asian girl from a bar, then you have to be prepared to take a leap of faith and bear some financial risk. Who knows, it might work?

As for my own case, over the past couple of decades I have had a few all-in relationships, that have not been cheap (a few houses spread across three to four different countries attest to this), but for the time in which I was interested in the person, the relationships went as well as could be expected. But maybe that is a series of stories for another time.

Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.

I know quite a few Seniors who think young Thai girls really like Loving Old Farang Man. They say it's Thai culture. In person I give them the You go Man Power Fist.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2498466]The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. Not too different from the Secret story.
[/QUOTE]Do you mean "location" as in her enabling her location app services on her phone so you can track her? Who would allow that? I certainly would not, at least not until a relationship is established and it the primary purpose was for safety. If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport, all of which she freely gave me without me asking. One thing I would not do is ask for her to enable her location app service as that would be a huge sign of lack of trust. And if she asked me I would decline.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498249] A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did.[/QUOTE]No, she did not.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2498362]I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words. [/QUOTE]The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2498384]Seems I'm alone? First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.

[/QUOTE]These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498173] What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as nave as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning. [/QUOTE]I said at the beginning I was writing this for the poor hapless gentlemen who falls for a bar girl and, thus, they are not experienced, wise and knowledgeable like you guys. And I said the intent was to help them and give them some hints for separating the bad ones from the good ones. I also said I would not be bothering if this was going to be just another story about an old dude falling for a bar girl.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498173] This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto. [/QUOTE]What have I been putting up with from her? How is she conning me? I may be a bit in a fantasy world, but I am not in some la la land throwing out cash at her expecting immediate love and happiness. I am willing to wait a month or two for that, haha.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498173] I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible. [/QUOTE]Probably a good plan. Prior to Secret, there was a semi-favored Soi 6 woman who was a decent lady. She was a hardened gal, but I showed her some kindness and her heart melted. We sort of became friends, but when I met Secret I stopped bar fining her, though I would buy some lady drinks and give a little bit of cash as I knew she loved animals and she was caring for a number of them. We have texted a little bit since last year, and she is working outside the bar now, but she is struggling. Last week she texted me and asked for some help. Like you, I sent her $150.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2498173] As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you.[/QUOTE]Haha. I do appreciate your concern as well as your advice and honest appraisal of the relationship as you see it.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498517]The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.

These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.[/QUOTE]I write it again because my last post might have been lost between others.

If she effectively wrote in Thai first and then translated it via an application or google translate, the meaning of these sentences is very clear, misunderstanding what she meant is not possible.

She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.

Thais don't use the word "like" as a synonym of the word "same".

If she wanted to say "working in the factory is the same as working in the bar" or "working in the factory is not the same as working in the bar" she would have used another word that would have been translated as the word "same" by google translate or another app. And she would have used the word "same" also if it came out of her mind without using a translate app.

The only Thais that could use the word "like" as a synonym of "same" are Thais that are highly educated and can write and speak English very well, what seems to not be the case with your girl.

You're going to tell us what she said after that in your next update but for me the translation seems correct, she likes to work in the bar.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498517]If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport,[/QUOTE]Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2498543]She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.[/QUOTE]I made a mistake in that translation as I didn't read back the sentences.

But as you probably noted, she said that she doesn't work in the factory.

For the second sentence, I'm sure of the translation, she likes to work in the bar.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498553]Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.[/QUOTE]OK, her government ID, not driver's license. Sheesh. My bad.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498517]Do you mean "location" as in her enabling her location app services on her phone so you can track her? Who would allow that?[/QUOTE]No, I'm certainly not talking about continuous location tracking. I'm talking about the bottom of the Line text message window has a "+”. Tap that plus and then tap "Location". That sends your location at that moment, it is not ongoing (as far as I know).

You would need to make such request casually as in "I can't find your factory on my map. Can you send me your location to help me understand?“

If she has nothing to hide, she will do it. If she says she is in BKK while she is actually in Pattaya, she will make excuses and not send it.

I've had several non-P4P girls send me pictures of interesting things and I ask location. Never have they hesitated to send their location. Camping vacation places. Temples. Beaches. Floating market. Rivers. A couple have even sent location from parents homes in Isaan. But these are non-P4P girls who aren't hiding anything, all of whom I've gotten to know from time spent together and many hours in video chat.

I've also done it with P4P girls that I met on ThaiFriendly or at the bars. In those cases it has been when we were trying to find each other. That's where imprecise accuracy is sometimes a problem.

We have been having some interesting discussions on the board, one subject having to deal with the true meaning of what Secret last texted. That will be revealed shortly guys.

But before I go on let me quickly inject a side story. For whatever reason, I had not yet considered that she may have a social media account. Rather dumb of me not to consider that. But a couple of months after this event, I thought to look and I found it. I found that at this very same time something else was going on in her life. Just a couple of days later she posted a message on her account saying that the day would be "very discouraging" and would be the "worst day of my life". What the hell? She also said she would start again with new things the next day and, indeed, the next day she posted that she was "feeling confident". Again, what the hell? What could possibly be happening to make something the worst day of her life one day and then for her to have confidence that all would ok the next? But yeah, it seemed that while I was complaining to her about not texting much in the last few days, she was stressed about something horrible and possibly life changing that would occur just a couple of days later. No wonder she was not texting me and why she snapped at me! It was like with Korea. In the days leading up to that decision she pretty much went silent and ignored me. This was happening again. Something was bothering her and she didn't want to burden me with it for fear I would walk away (I supposed). I will say that while I have an idea of what happened, gleaned from another source or two that has since been lost and / deleted, I really don't know. But if I am right, she would indeed be very upset up until after it happened, with some peace thereafter.

OK, back to the story. To remind, she had told me "I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " I will add that she wrote the original message in Thai, then she translated it to English, using Google Translate I believe, then sent it to me over Line. The words and punctuation I received are as I presume Google processed them.

Well, to me, the meaning was clear. She didn't work at the factory anymore as she discovered that she like working in the bar better. The wording was a little off, but I am used to errors on Google Translate. And with her two-day absence from texting me and other little things, it seemed pretty clear she was off doing something, and I guess she went off to Pattaya to work in the bar again. What other city would she go to work in a bar? I have heard of BGs who say they hate the work but, after leaving and finding a legit job, they soon return to the bar. I can understand that. Bar work is physically easy and it can be fun, at least once you get used to have sex with strangers and all of that. Not to mention that the pay might be much better. And I knew that for the last 6 months Secret had not made much money being away from the bar. I she felt she had to return to the bar then, well, a girl has to do what a girl has to do.

Anyway, romantic me wrote back saying "I wondered about that. It is hard to leave the bar. " Yeah, really wise, Hawk. Stupid idiot. Let you know you don't trust her.

She confused me a bit with her reply, "But getting out of the bar was easy for me". Huh? So it was easy to leave but she is back? So to clarify, I asked "Are you back in Pattaya?" Another stupid response to really get the point across I don't trust her. Sigh. She snapped "You think I returned to Pattaya? I have to stay awake to answer your questions, right? If you think I went to Pattaya, I won't say anything more. " She was a bit upset. I say, confused "You just told me you were not working at the factory and you liked working in a bar! I am confused. " She replied "I said that I would never go back to Pattaya. I hate that place. " She continued "I told you that I work at a company. I don't have time to talk to you like I did when I work at the bar. ".

Ok. There it is. Chalk up another mistranslation, and chalk up two insensitive texts by me. And congratulations to Mr. E and Banana Boi! You called it exactly right, with Mr. E saying:

[I] To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.[/I] Spot on, haha, except that she was facing the worst day of her life coming up.

I was correct in realizing that something was up. I raised the point, though in a less than sensitive way to her. She snapped back as the was trying to keep me halfway satisfied so I would not dump her, yet while dealing and planning for this upcoming, horrible event she didn't want to talk about with me. That I accused her of returning to the bar, a big sign of mistrust, just made things worse and added to her worries. Knowing what I now, and if my guess about what was happening is correct, she should have felt comfortable coming to me. Maybe she would have had I not shown my mistrust first.

So for you hapless gentlemen who falls for a BG, be very careful before you accuse your special lady of something. Think about what her life is like before you complain. It is ok to do some research so you don't get blindsided with something obvious, but if you suspect something, unless she is asking for something from you to where you must respond immediately, consider doing nothing. Wait. I, sensing something was wrong, automatically assumed she was drifting away. Maybe she was, but my complaining was a bit juvenile. If I had kept quiet, all would have returned to normal in another 5 days and there would not have been a betrayal of my trust and, as I said, she might have opened up to me about it.

Anyway, a week or two later she lost her job due to the virus. Many places in Thailand started to shut down. Then her mother and younger sister came to town and stayed with the older sister. Secret tried to find work in Bangkok but ended up deciding to go home with the others where it was safe. She still was due two land payments from me, so with the money she had made working since after the Phuket trip, she felt she had some time to wait for things to settle. And no, I was not giving her any other money, nor did she ask for any more. So, again, she had NEVER asked me for money.

Things kind of returned to normal when she got back home. Texting returned to a normal schedule similar to what it had been before the Phuket trip, but while friendly and with some flirting, there was still nothing that I considered special. Looking back, the fact she kept texting me might have been special, well, except that I was still sending her farm loan money. Let me say she never appeared she was texting me to keep me sending money. I was still expecting to see her in April and take that crise with her, but I was less optimistic about us continuing on much beyond that. And, of course, the country and then the world began to shut down and it soon became apparent there would be no cruise and it could be a long time before we could see each other again. I started to get a feeling Secret was in for hard financial times and that I might get sucked in. Was I prepared for that? Surely thing would be coming back to normal my mid-year! Right?

But a week or two after the family returned home I got another one of those bloody photos. Her younger sister had been in a horrible auto accident. This is real guys. Just like the motorbike accident was real, this was real with a real call out for blood donors. It is all documented in social media. Her teenaged sister's leg was crushed and fractured into pieces and pieces. It looked horrible. She was in horrible pain. She would likely lose a leg. Here is yet another horror for Secret to deal with. She needs to find work, but her baby sister needs her even more at the hospital over 100 miles from home (the local hospital could not deal with that level of trauma and had to transport her to a large city). The mother can't provide care. The oldest sister has two children of her own, including a toddler, and a job in Bangkok and can't provide care. Yet again, Secret has to do it, and she wants to do it.

I see that this is one time Secret really needs some emotional support. Am I up to the task? Or is there someone else she will turn to?

Ratings are in for October and as expected Hawk's edge of the seat suspense drama on his relationship with a Thai working continued its dominance of the forum's readership.

It led comfortably in all demographics but had an off the charts record breaking 95% among the over 70's. .

Industry insiders put the phenomenal success of the series down to its relatability factor, most readers having had at one time or another similar tales of love lost and what might have been.

Returning to the ratings ET's updates on what's happening around town was a distant second and has been falling steadily over the months, readers finding his constant references to bare backing a turn off.

Going forward November's election coverage is expected to introduce some competition for Hawk but industry insiders say the story's fan base is so loyal and so invested in what happens next that holding the number one spot is a no brainer.

Inside chatter among media heads is that there is already a bidding war going on between Netflix and Amazon prime.

Just saw a walk down Walking St. By a YouTuber. Absolute devastation. It may not recover.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2498499]Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.[/QUOTE]FL has already revealed both his age and Secret's age on this board.

Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.

New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.

That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.

F. H.

When I read the reports it makes me CRINGE as to what already happened and what is about to.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2498720]Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.

New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.

That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.[/QUOTE]No no no. You are mean my friend. Haha. For the record, I only wear cargo shorts on WS and have never worn a pink shirt in Thailand. And it has been 360 days since I have been in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2498696]FL has already revealed both his age and Secret's age on this board.[/QUOTE]I know he did. If I remember correctly he is way past minimum qualification for social security.

It matters.

If he is middle age it's even more cringe. A Thai barmaid with a kid and old mother to support? Come on man.

At least with the Real Elders one can give them a pass. They are just old and Playing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2498720]Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.

New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.

That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.[/QUOTE]Walking Street looks dead to me. Many shops Boarded up.

Even pre Covid many shops were closing up.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498793]No no no. You are mean my friend. Haha. For the record, I only wear cargo shorts on WS and have never worn a pink shirt in Thailand. [/QUOTE]It's not pink but either "anaemic salmon" or "muted fuchsia" according to the TOA Paints color chart.

As to Banana Boi's observation I rarely venture to the Walking Street area, but did the rounds around Soi Bua Khao on Friday. The margins (Pattaya Klang and Pattaya Tai thirds) were very quiet. Significantly quieter than a few weeks ago and quite a few businesses that reopened after lockdown have closed again (bars, restaurants, pharmacies, massage shops, all sorts).

The middle 1/3rd from just near Tree Town to Soi Lengkee there were plenty of bars doing good trade. I didn't wander into LK Metro but the reports I hear are that they are quite busy (but by no means overrun) Thursday to Sunday and quiet the rest of the week.

Elsewhere Beach Road Sois 7 and 8 are toast, ghost town and not because it was Halloween.

For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2499062]For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government![/QUOTE]You mean [B]Blocked[/B] where you are.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2499062]For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government![/QUOTE]What about the Japanese ones. I like Ayu Sakurai the Bestest Ever. LOL.

LBM, Pornhub is running fine. Your problem is local internet censorship. I been in countries where I could not even access the ISG. You need a fast VPN service. I recommend NordVPN, but it is kind of expensive. There are many alternative apps available including a new one from the FireFox browser company called Mozilla VPN. Check out the reviews below, try one, access any porn, and browse the internet in a much safer way without leaving a trail behind.

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[QUOTE=Downandup;2499072]You mean [B]Blocked[/B] where you are.[/QUOTE]I just posted what I saw it doesn't affect me I've here and living it whenever I choose live and in color if I did it would be no problem I got a VPN.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2499161]What about the Japanese ones. I like Ayu Sakurai the Bestest Ever. LOL.[/QUOTE]So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!

My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.

Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2499318]Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?[/QUOTE]In my travels whenever I get a girl to my hotel room I play porn on my laptop sometimes via the tv to encourage them into a variety of positions.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498615]Maybe she would have had I not shown my mistrust first.

So for you hapless gentlemen who falls for a BG, be very careful before you accuse your special lady of something.[/QUOTE]Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2498615]The mother can't provide care. The oldest sister has two children of her own, including a toddler, and a job in Bangkok and can't provide care. Yet again, Secret has to do it, and she wants to do it.

I see that this is one time Secret really needs some emotional support. Am I up to the task? Or is there someone else she will turn to?[/QUOTE]So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt? I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.

A nurse chick that I mess with in Colombia sent me a message this morning saying that her father died and asked for money to go to her hometown. She said she went to someone for a loan but they were out of town. (I am more than out of town; I am out of country.) It just strikes a nerve with me. Sure I stayed in her house last week. She has a nice place. At that time she had told me that work has not paid her in a while. Her sister who has a job (although hours are cut) stayed there. Her brother came over. She was talking to her mom on videocall. That is already 3 family members. They can not pool money or do not care enough to ask people they know or whatever for favors?

Years ago I was messing with a non-pro chick in Pattaya. It had been 2 weeks when she went home and paid 100,000 baht for her father to have an operation. She already had the money, but people on Thai Visa were really serious when they said I should have given her the money. Never mind 1. I had only been dealing with her 2 weeks, 2. I had never met her dad in my life, 3. She did not ask me for the money. As I said before, most foreigners just volunteer themselves to be the ATM.

Secret wanting to do it should not translate into FL Hawk being the ultimate one actually doing it. Or will it be another case of don't worry, the foreigner has our back?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2499318]Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?[/QUOTE]When you are in quarantine.

Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.

How are you allowed to go to Thailand?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2499754]Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2499754]Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.[/QUOTE]Kudos to you if you're selected to be one of the very few to get in to Thailand in January. In January, 2021 the airports will be completely empty so there won't be any lineup to buy SIM cards from a kiosk. Go to DTAC, AIS, or True. If you're staying for months you could opt for My by CAT as well. If for some unexpected reason there is a line up at the airport kiosks the first 3 have stores in major Pattaya malls. You can Google locations. I believe they still sell SIM cards at 711 stores meaning they are available on every block in Pattaya! There's even one on the lower level at Gate 4 in BKK. You don't need a SIM card when you land at BKK. Not sure you can get a SIM card sent to you as they will need a copy of your passport in order to give you a card.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2499754]Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.[/QUOTE]I think that you will be met by a quarantine team. You can ask them if you can buy one at the airport. If, they say no, your quarantine hotel should be able to take care of a sim card.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2499475]Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?

So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt? I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.

A nurse chick that I mess with in Colombia sent me a message this morning saying that her father died and asked for money to go to her hometown. She said she went to someone for a loan but they were out of town. (I am more than out of town; I am out of country.) It just strikes a nerve with me. Sure I stayed in her house last week. She has a nice place. At that time she had told me that work has not paid her in a while. Her sister who has a job (although hours are cut) stayed there. Her brother came over. She was talking to her mom on videocall. That is already 3 family members. They can not pool money or do not care enough to ask people they know or whatever for favors?

Years ago I was messing with a non-pro chick in Pattaya. It had been 2 weeks when she went home and paid 100,000 baht for her father to have an operation. She already had the money, but people on Thai Visa were really serious when they said I should have given her the money. Never mind 1. I had only been dealing with her 2 weeks, 2. I had never met her dad in my life, 3. She did not ask me for the money. As I said before, most foreigners just volunteer themselves to be the ATM.

Secret wanting to do it should not translate into FL Hawk being the ultimate one actually doing it. Or will it be another case of don't worry, the foreigner has our back?[/QUOTE]This culture they have kids because that is what they do, reproduce because that is what is expected since in general education wise they are done at 15 year old can't find a job so what is next have a kid. They think nothing of it it is like second nature and after a year majority the boys just take off when it gets tough many girls just go out a pick a new one. Coming and going is like second nature they thinking nothing of it the last thing is the child are the ones who are hurt the most but to Thais this is normal I've heard them say " they understand " how can a child understand the reason the tradition continues generation after generation.

It is crazy up here in the farm it's been 2 weeks bitten like crazy with mosquitoes told many times Pattaya and Bangkok isn't the true Thailand that might be the case my inlaws all seem to be fine people all the women relatives all seem to still have their men the kids are all grown what we are talking about doesn't seem to exist here but I know it does but nothing like what is being discussed.

Reality the next two days is my son Dharma Teaching the party is bigger than many weddings I've attended it is like a mad house here the amount of work and preparation is unbelievable I try to help but family just makes sure I eat and rest I guess might be getting me fat and rested to be slaughter? I got anothe two weeks of what I considered suffering but wife seems happy she thought she would never see this day due to her illness I've kept one of my promises to her that I will keep her alive to see the day. Money is pouring out my pocket for this event down deep I have done all I could to make sure my son learn what money can't buy and I'm not sure if the Monks can teach it to them. I see so many boys go through this tradition yet they seem not to learn nothing bunch of bums who just take off and first chance they can get into another piece of ass that is what they do.

As I noted, the female is left to raise and take care of everyone. I'm bored try to watch the dishes pots and pans and they grab me and send me off. Two weeks I made a run into Bangkok for a day or two have a old too old for many of you coming to meet me to help me get over my ordeal the past month!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2499317]So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!

My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.[/QUOTE]I love to look movies with your JAV Star Emi Fukada! But my 2 favorites JAV Stars from Japan are Ayaka Tomoda and Yua Mikami. I met them both during a convention in Taipei and Tokyo.

It's just a pity these JAV Stars don't do escort!

USD dropping like a rock vs the Baht. It dipped under 31 baht yesterday. It's currently at 30.5342 baht and dropping. Per [URL]XE.com[/URL], the lowest it's been was 29.28 baht in April 2013.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2499957]USD dropping like a rock vs the Baht. It dipped under 31 baht yesterday. It's currently at 30.5342 baht and dropping. Per [URL]XE.com[/URL], the lowest it's been was 29.28 baht in April 2013.[/QUOTE]US elections fiasco is shrinking the dollar worldwide.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2499866]This culture they have kids because that is what they do, reproduce because that is what is expected since in general education wise they are done at 15 year old can't find a job so what is next have a kid. They think nothing of it it is like second nature and after a year majority the boys just take off when it gets tough many girls just go out a pick a new one. Coming and going is like second nature they thinking nothing of it the last thing is the child are the ones who are hurt the most but to Thais this is normal I've heard them say " they understand " how can a child understand the reason the tradition continues generation after generation.
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As I noted, the female is left to raise and take care of everyone...[/QUOTE]What you wrote is consistent with my experience with Thai people from Isaan. I only know a few people from other parts of Thailand (Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, and Chiang Mai) and those few people seem to be a bit different.

Are your statements directed about the entire Thai culture or just a certain portion of it?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2499777]How are you allowed to go to Thailand?[/QUOTE]WOW! Had not seen the new entry requirements; I booked the ticket almost 5 months back. Good thing Delta is doing no-fee cancellation.

Looks like I will be pushing this trip out until things get back to normal entry wise there; Was planning on 10 days, not 90 w / a mandatory 14 quarantine.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2499995]Was planning on 10 days, not 90 w / a mandatory 14 quarantine.[/QUOTE]Even IF you were wiling to do a 14 day quarantine, entering is not an option for the general population unless you are from China and you have a boatload of cash to spend or invest in Thailand.

Safer to book for 2022 than 2021.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498472]I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?[/QUOTE]Concept of location and maps indeed are not the strong point of many, even sending clear Google map link over line many still can't find to my place and only a discussion with another Thai to explain will resolve it.

About year back met a chick who had 3 'boyfriends' in Europe and she was struggling to keep them all at control to ensure sponsorship continues. One of the guys, German I recall, was insisting her to send location at random times. I installed GPS emulator app to her phone and she continued to thank about it on several appointments as made her life easier. Said few other ladies thankful too as she showed to them how to manage the location sending issue 555. Just saw her couple weeks back and money still flowing she told. Is really amazing to hear how some guys are downright stupid.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2499921]I love to look movies with your JAV Star Emi Fukada! But my 2 favorites JAV Stars from Japan are Ayaka Tomoda and Yua Mikami. I met them both during a convention in Taipei and Tokyo.

It's just a pity these JAV Stars don't do escort![/QUOTE]Gee Gilolo I'm surprised with your game you didn't manage with either. I've had so called JAV models, they are available but you need to know some local Tokyo players to set it up.

And then it's silly prices (300 K yen up) and to be honest not the best shags by any means not value for money but when you watch the videos you can say hey I fucked her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2499475]
Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?
[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I falsely accused her of going back to Pattaya to work in the bar. I displayed a prejudice against her. She had otherwise been quite honest with me and did not deserve for me to jump to such a false conclusion, made simply because she had been a BG in the past and because I fell for the stereotypical belief espoused by many here that once a BG always a BG and they can never be trusted. If there was a "violation", it was my display of outright and undeserved prejudice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2499475]
So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt?
[/QUOTE]Um, would you blast your own mother for having had kids over 30 years ago if she became handicapped 5 years ago and was thereafter unable to continue to care for them any longer? That is essentially the situation here. She had 3 children from 2 husbands, the last one dying about 15 years ago. Hardly a baby making machine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2499475]
I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.
[/QUOTE]Haha. Me neither! I may have a possible answer later of how it happens, not that it ever should.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2498837]
I know he did. If I remember correctly he is way past minimum qualification for social security.
[/QUOTE]I don't yet quality for full benefits. Not that it is any of your business.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2498837]
It matters.
[/QUOTE]In what way does it matter for [I]me or Secret[/I], or at least in a way that is any of your business?

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2498837]

If he is middle age it's even more cringe. A Thai barmaid with a kid and old mother to support? Come on man.
[/QUOTE]You seem to have a strong propensity for cringing at stuff that does not concern you. Let's see. If she did not have a kid to support, would that be ok for you? Or no mother but a kid, would you still cringe? How about if she was Thai but not a barmaid, is that personally acceptable to you. Or if she was Thai and was [I]briefly[/I] a barmaid, but is out of the business, could you forgive that and not vomit when you see, her man, her kid and mother? Or, how about if she was a western woman with a kid and / or mother to support? Hmmm, I bet that is ok, as there are millions of them throughout the western world. How about if she is a Vietnamese barmaid with a mother and / or kid to support, would that cause you to cringe? I mean, is there something simply about the woman being Thai that sends you into convulsions? Or is it simply any young Asian women with a western middle-aged man that makes you want to point them out to the world for ridicule? And how would you even know if the woman is a barmaid or not? If you see a middle-aged man out with a younger Asian woman, perhaps with a kid in tow, will you go over to her and say "Can you tell me if you work in a bar so I can decide if I should be all cringy now?" Or will you simply cringe out whenever you see a middle-aged man with a younger Asian woman with or without a child in tow, just to make sure you have all your cringe-worthy bases covered? And of course, it the woman is western, you probably don't even notice. It is only Thai or Asians with middle-aged western men that upset you I assume. Opps, I mean any young Asian woman with ANY older western man. Wow.

I think it would be more productive for this forum if, rather than saying "It matters" followed by snarky comments of disdain and disgust, to finally tell us WHY it matters and WHY it makes you cringe and WHY you feel it is any business of yours.

I have said a number of times that there are three big unalterable things than can ruin this relationship I have / had; those being cultural differences, language problems and age. But you do not know Secret or her reasons for carrying on with me. You may [I]think[/I] you know, but you barely have a clue. All you know is what I have written here, colored by your own obvious prejudices and biases, yet you dare to tell me that our relationship has caused you to cringe and compel you to resort to personal attacks and insults.

Feel free to point out the pitfalls of older man / younger woman relationships. That is a wide open topic which I have been addressing and I will participate in further.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2499317]So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!

My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.[/QUOTE]Again my friend, you show we have similar tastes. But alas, I am 89 and too old even for her. Haha.

[QUOTE=FL Hawk;2498615]Her younger sister had been in a horrible auto accident. Her teenaged sister's leg was crushed and fractured into pieces and pieces. The mother can't provide care. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=FLHawk;2500382]Um, would you blast your own mother for having had kids over 30 years ago if she became handicapped 5 years ago and was thereafter unable to continue to care for them any longer?[/QUOTE]Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2500411]Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.[/QUOTE]I've been confused since this epic started. Harder to figure out than Beowulf.

For those of you not bored to death by that fool's "romance", I need you to send ME money now. Let me explain. I fool about on the love sites, telling women I love them, how pretty they are etc. I keep it clean, as one should always do with third world hookers.

This chick replied: Send me money.

Me: How much.

She: 100. I have paypal.

Me: Send you money without even talking to you, knowing you, dating (ha ha) you?

She: No reply yet.

Guys, I really need your help in this as I am sure this is the love of my life, that we will marry and have kids together. However, as I don't feel I should take all the risks, I want you guys to pony up. In return, I will post occasional updates here st my discretion. I am not sure if I can invite any of you to the wedding but your help there is also appreciated (paypal only).

I asked my future wife to tell me something, about herself before I send her on money. She replies like wtf, why am I so pushy? I don't know her name, nothing. She is probably a male Nigerian scammer but, as she has zero chance of getting a nickel out of me, who cares? A lot of these women post they are not toys to be f-the with. Don't know why they blame me as I did not write the LBFM playbook.

These secretes develop in such a way that they just want handouts their entire herpes ridden lives. I pity the farmers expecting these lumps to save the hay.

Going into SE Asia high season and not a monger in sight. This is even worse than when Pampanga was covered in volcanic ash.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2500400]Again my friend, you show we have similar tastes. But alas, I am 89 and too old even for her. Haha.[/QUOTE]You are phenomenal. You are most likely older than your intended whose mother started having children over thirty years ago and one of whose daughters got her leg crushed when she was a teenager. If I were in your shoes I would do what I can to help them.

[QUOTE=USExpat;2500488]I've been confused since this epic started. Harder to figure out than Beowulf.[/QUOTE]And far less interesting.

You naysayers are going to be so embarrassed when we get to the part where she shows up at his hotel room door (pre Covid) all pretty and shaved as smooth as a billiard ball, fitted up with those time-release birth control pellets in her arm, deep dives into DFK and prolonged teasing BBBJ all on her own initiative, insists on BBFS+CIP without hesitation or BBFS+CIM+Swallow, totally up to him whenever he wants for the duration of their time together in gratitude for his unrequested support and to celebrate their special relationship based primarily on honesty.

And all with no more urgent rescue money bomb hints dropped here and there on a regular basis. That's bound to be the payoff ending.

You and I are not the only ones that happens to if we just behave politely, generously and hope for the best. There is way too much cynicism here.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2499988]What you wrote is consistent with my experience with Thai people from Isaan. I only know a few people from other parts of Thailand (Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, and Chiang Mai) and those few people seem to be a bit different.

Are your statements directed about the entire Thai culture or just a certain portion of it?[/QUOTE]Sorry for the delayed! Been preparing the last two weeks up here in the farm for my son Dharma ceremony. Not being religious I never thought too much about it but when it got here it is unbelievable the undertaking the important it seem to be in their culture for the male if you can actually afford. The days leading up to the 7-8th was like watching them put the Super Bowl together family members coming out of the woodworks to help tents, table, chairs, water tanks, plates, spoons, we spend 4 hours at Makro one day buying all the necessary items had them deliver everything and I mean everything in a flatbed truck. They used the family tractors to prepare the emtpy rai of land that hasn't had homes built dig areas for cleaning and cooking I wasn't allow to help too much my assignment was to stay clear and work on the house itself. While doing so it was like watching her family put together one of those Moster truck shows over a weekend everyone knew exactly what to do and when to do it the major event went on for two straight days with very little sleep up by 4 am with music, get shower and here we go again. The last day being his father I and the mother dress up in traditional clothes lead a small parade with family dancing in front of the tractor playing music it was like a float for Songkran, a few hours spent at the Temple, praying, chanting with the Monks, then the final is to return to the house with 19 Monks in the living room and my son giving his final respect to us. An hour after the Monk left with their donation and food the family had already removed and clean up 90%.

I will be the first to admit in 15 years I've haven't travel to many places in Thailand so in no way I'm a expert to answer your question. First and foremost my opinions are a vast generalization I've talked to many people who have lived in Thailand and I've never been challenged as to my views. When you speak about Isaan maybe because so many women working in the P4 P industry comes from that section and do their trade in Pattaya and Bangkok. Years back I met and spend a lot of time with P4 P and what I experience with them pretty much comfirm what I already concluded but of course outside of the region of Isaan these view do exist girls working in the business do come from throughout Thailand.

What I do know how they think in Bangkok and Pattaya been told many times even by Thais that these two places aren't part of Thailand. The way I've been treated outside of these two places and certainly with the experience I've had with her family and the region they reside would confirm. Everyone I've met in her town, village, since day one has been nothing short of respectful since we met 20 years ago the last two weeks I've gotten to know the men and women better they speak to my wife from the expression on their face I'm one of them and after the event I made sure to go around on my own drink and THANK them personally!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2500705]For me that's $25,000 up in smoke. My balance of 800,000 bath in Bangkok Bank.[/QUOTE]Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?

If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.

If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2500705]One Indian in Phuket has Covid. Restaurant worker. All beejesus is breaking loose. At this rate we will never be able to come back.

For me that's $25,000 up in smoke. My balance of 800,000 bath in Bangkok Bank.

Anyone want my card. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you will lose 25,000, trust is everything right I'll take your card if you need the money withdrawn let me know.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2500736]Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?

If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.

If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.[/QUOTE]Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? I honestly don't know if that is possible since I only make transfers from my home country bank to my Thailand bank and not the other way around. I didn't need to be present at either bank to set it up. It was alll done over the Internet.

Costs about $10 USD per $1,000 USD transferred overseas and takes 2 business days or less to receive it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2500736]Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?

If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.

If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.[/QUOTE]I'd like to know what inactive accounts policies Thailand banks have?

In America I'm sure you get a long time before institution turns money over to Government.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2500743]Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? I honestly don't know if that is possible since I only make transfers from my home country bank to my Thailand bank and not the other way around. I didn't need to be present at either bank to set it up. It was alll done over the Internet.

Costs about $10 USD per $1,000 USD transferred overseas and takes 2 business days or less to receive it.[/QUOTE]About 5 years ago one of my USA citizen Thai girlfriend sold 2 pieces of Thailand real estate and she needed to move about 100,000 USD from her Thailand bank to her USA bank. I suggested she looked into bank to bank transfers, but she said that was expensive. I didn't look at details. In the end she carried about 10,000 USD cash to USA after each Thailand visit. She had friends and family act as mules.

I thought that was a terrible system, but she insisted that it was the best way for her.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2500949]I'd like to know what inactive accounts policies Thailand banks have?

In America I'm sure you get a long time before institution turns money over to Government.[/QUOTE]You might want to look up [URL]Deemoney.com[/URL]?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2500743]Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? [/QUOTE]Transferwise didn't work for her getting money out of Thailand. She used Western Union. Lost about 0.5% on exchange rates but if Danny is truly concerned about losing his 800k baht that's a VERY small price to pay. Doesn't this invalidate his OA Retirement Visa though?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2500411]Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. She is the one who was injured. To add to the confusion, both of the older daughters have children who are roughly the same age as their youngest aunt, all 3 being in their late teens. And the oldest daughter has a son about to turn 2. She has been married to the same man throughout. So, the mother has a total of 3 grandchildren. This is not exactly an irresponsible, baby making family. I can add too that the mother never encouraged anyone to go to Pattaya to work, and was instrumental in getting Secret to quit the bar. She and Secret are determined that the youngest will go to college, to study either teaching or nursing.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501230]Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. [/QUOTE]LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2501250]LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family![/QUOTE]For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368]For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?[/QUOTE]There may be a different story with DNA.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2501377]There may be a different story with DNA.[/QUOTE]Based on what F. H. Wrote and Mr. E short comment has little to do with DNA, his description of the family and history isn't unique one bit in fact heard thousands of times within the region where the girl is from. I'm a believer in many of the teaching of Lao Tsu from my early early days? Basically everyone is created equal or the same it is society or our culture that modes us when we are growing the history he was told or dug up is just that has very little to do with DNA of course that is my opinion.

From what is written we differ as to it interpretation as to how it came about.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368]For sure he is digging deep . . . .[/QUOTE]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368] . . . . but does he really understand what is being dug up?[/QUOTE]I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.

Fire away. LOL. I can take it.

Parameter with Thai girl, not Bargirl exclusive.

Example. 35×2 = 70. If 70 is less than a common human metric- you off in la la land. Numbers need to be adjusted to your specifics but the theoretical concept is there.

Can someone identify the metric. I will pay your Entrance Fee to a Rainbow Bar of choice. LOL.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?[/QUOTE]You right about that. My girlfriend is not a bar girl, but the only thing she writes everyday is Hello, how are you, have a good day. Works for me. Beats all the bullshit complaining I have to hear from chicks that I mess with in other countries.

I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.

Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.

Boo on you.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2501517]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.

Fire away. LOL. I can take it.[/QUOTE]Fire away? I agree with you! Yes, don't do it!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2501592]I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.

Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.

Boo on you.[/QUOTE]We did not talk that often about my hopes and dreams and, as I said, she did not want to have them herself as they never came true. But during this time of sorrow, we did speak of them as I wanted to cheer her up and discuss good things. My dream? To build a cabin on a mountain top and build an observatory, and to take her on cruise (which was scheduled for this month, BTW). The only dream she shared was to build a small home in her village.

But I hear what you are saying.

Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.

But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.

And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.

During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.

But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?

Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.

Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.

She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.

But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she [I]was[/I] telling me the truth).

LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.

You come across to me as a horrible manipulative predator. I used to really enjoy and look forward to your posts. Does she know you're relating all this about her for your fun.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.

But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.

And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.

During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.

But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?

Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.

Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.

She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.

But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she [I]was[/I] telling me the truth).

LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]All I will say is I don't have the writing skills as the others and certainly not the time see, I acutally have to attend to some sick buffaloes and hogs. You have enough guys to play around with here texting is what the girls do especially when you already made an installment look at it as phone sex? You can text another 1000 times or as we call it (dig) it wouldn't matter.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide.[/QUOTE]Seems like I mentioned before if the people are really in dire need, why couldn't they just ask all of their friends. Worked for a leg. Why did nobody think to do it when it came to losing a house and land?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend.[/QUOTE]I am still not getting the idea of getting into some kind of relationship with someone that is not doing the things you like. I thought people got into relationships because they found someone that does the things they like. For instance I love getting my dick sucked from the back. I meet a chick and say hey this is the chick for me even though she never sucks my dick from the back. Then every week I complain to my buddies that my girl never sucks my dick from the back. That would beg the question as to why I got involved with her in the first place.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?[/QUOTE]Why is that not typical in the west? Sure it is. I remember when my aunt was lying in the hospital dying and the doctor told her she had a maximum of 2 weeks to live. My dad got all bent out of shape that they would tell her that. Why did my dad not want the doctor to tell my aunt the truth? Same aunt when I was taking a photography class in grad school I did self portraits where my girl left me and I killed myself. My aunt was disappointed that I would do such a project and thought I should have done something more happy with flowers and shit. People of all cultures want to shy away from sad shit no matter how true it may be.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind.[/QUOTE]Say okay I will send 300 baht. Why hemming and hawing all the time? One thing people on this planet will always need is money. You did not solve their life by paying off the house. More shit is going to come up all the time that requires money. Never even turn that spigot on, because you will never be able to water that flower enough.

Too many foreigners have gone to places like Thailand and learned that lesson the hard expensive way; never taking note from those that went before them and were sent home destitute after they were used up. Like that funny ass movie My Thai Bride where the dude from England had to beg his Thai wife to buy him a ticket to get back to England after he had spent his life savings on her and her family.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? [/QUOTE]What yellow flag? This is all your doing. It seems like you are the stubborn one being a glutton for being the family ATM by not letting it go. As I said before, it is not the chicks that go begging for money. It is the foreigners that force it upon them. You couldn't just drop it and be happy not having to send money. You had to force out of her how much you should send to her.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is not just a place that chicks go fuck for money. It is a party place that many go to just to have fun and party and let their hair down. With all the stuff you say was going on in her life then why would she not want to get away and "blow off" (pun intended) some steam?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]She said nothing to me about going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Does she need to?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. [/QUOTE]Why? Why? Why do you even care where she was and what she was doing? Again, what kind of "seeing each other" agreement did you guys have in place?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]My long-term prediction for your relationship would be that it is, unfortunately, not good.

My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. If you're communicating on this forum and participating in activities that relate to P4 P, then it tells me that in terms of love-life, you would be more happy if you stick with the convenience of paying for short-term "love" and affection like the majority of us ISG members. Healthy, long-term "love" is just not in our DNA at the moment as long as we find ourselves here or similar types of forums.

Also, healthy relationships have strong foundations of trust. It seems like you have a lot of mistrust in this relationship. Trying to constantly force trust or validate trust seems futile to me. Based on initial interactions and continuing communication, you either have trust for each other or you don't. Having selective trust or no trust is just not going work in the long-run.

There's nothing wrong if your goal is to have short-term relationships. Most of the ISG community's reports are based on that anyways; short 1-2 hour relationships.

And this has nothing to do with the fact that she comes with a background in P4 P. I think two people can find love and happiness anywhere.

It's just the fact that I don't think you're in a healthy, mental state where you'd be happy in a healthy, long-term relationship.

Again, my prediction is that the ultimate ending to your love story will end in gloom. Sure, you two could still "be together" right now in whatever relationship dynamic that you two have accepted. Unfortunately, I think the ultimate ending for your relationship is going to be how I predict.

If I were to also predict if anyone's advice or comments on here is going to have any meaningful impact and influence on your decisions, then I would predict nope. No one here is going to be able to help you change course on any roads or paths that you decide to take.

Also, I could totally be wrong in thinking that you're seeking advice from the ISG community at all. Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? Or maybe it's psychologically therapeutic for you to post your love story on this public forum to help clear your mind and makes you feel better? I have no idea why.

In any case, you should be happy with your choices, and if things work out how you wanted, then good for you.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2501517]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.[/QUOTE]I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. [/QUOTE]I agree!

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]healthy relationships[/QUOTE]That's an oxymoron to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? [/QUOTE]Yes, he's stated that several times.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2501735]I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.[/QUOTE]I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. Very pretty young (21) pleasant girl to be with. At that time I was doing business in China and would travel back and forth every couple of months. I would go to BKK back and forth from China. I met het on the street near Nana. I assumed she is a SW although she was dressed not in a provocative way. We both smiled at each other and stopped to chat. Asked where she is going she replied she is on her lunch break. Next question is where she works. Then I realized she is not a SW. So we both had lunch together. She could speak English. First day we went for dinner only. After that one thing led to another and she stayed with me.

Later during our relationship we went to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Golden Triangle and also many destinations in Thailand.

I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]We are getting close to end.[/QUOTE]This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2501791]This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.[/QUOTE]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]I guess I am beyond that. At first I liked your story and it does have some good parts. But you obsessively are evaluating her truthfulness to you. To me that doesn't seem triggered by her actions. Much more by your own personality. A Brazilian writer once said "The advantage of dishonest people is that they assume others to be dishonest as well and use that to their own benefit. The disadvantage of honest people is that they assume other people to be honest like themselves and often are deceived in this". You ask her to be truthful while going to other prostitutes. I guess that says it all and the end cannot be more telling than that. Your story doesn't tell so much about a relationship between a Thai woman and a Western man. It is not about informing others. It is about exposing yourself.

Boo.

Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business. She sat there a few minutes just looking around and begrudgingly walked off in search for a customer. I could have misread the whole incident but I don't think so.

BTW The tooth pull cost me 1100 baht which included antibiotics and pain killers. Pretty cheap price.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2501998]Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2502003]I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.[/QUOTE]That may be true in general but she didn't just sit there and then eat her food, she obviously went off looking for a customer. After I declined she was desperately searching around.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2501780]I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. <snip> I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Dating a regular Thai girl is fine albeit difficult to obtain and keep as a tourist. I certainly don't recommend dating a bar girl in Thailand. It would compare with dating a messed up stripper in your home town. Great to hang out with but you certainly don't want to date one long term. Also, as someone said it completely defeats the purpose of Thailand.

[QUOTE=*****man;2501885]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.[/QUOTE]Ex Machina. Enjoyed that movie.

Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.

Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.

[QUOTE=*****man;2501885]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.[/QUOTE]That's second favorite on Betfair at 4's.

[QUOTE=Allover;2502052]Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.

Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.[/QUOTE]True not much to read but I have been skipping it as its just a badly written copy of "Private dancer" what's hilarious is that his failures are meant to educate the rest of us. It like listening to a drug addict about the dangers of drug usage, might be relevant to 10 yr old, but not much so to anyone over the age of 25 yrs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2502045]I certainly don't recommend dating a bar girl in Thailand. It would compare with dating a messed up stripper in your home town. Great to hang out with but you certainly don't want to date one long term.[/QUOTE]Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.

And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.

Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2502180]Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.

And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.

Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.[/QUOTE]Go figure? Often the simplest solution is the most accurate, to a conundrum. I propose that the beautiful "girlfriend" was not actual GF but a girl FL wanted as a GF. Truth is what normal (non bargirl) beautiful lady wants to be seen with a man in his 80's who cannot provide constant economic, emotional and physical support. Like Dr House, says "everybody lies" and most often people lie to themselves for example saying they prefer fuglies or women in their late 30's, but in truth they know they cannot access the 20 yrs old with any measure of success ie reasonable attitude and reasonable price, so to cushion their egos, they tell themselves they not interested in 20 yrs old with model bodies.

We don't know how well or how badly this non-pro "GF" of his treats him, we can only know how "secret" treated him, but I'd bet it would have been much worse. Sure FL is a silly old fool, but I can't see him being so stupid as to run from a beautiful non pro GF into the arms of a 30+yr old damaged bargirl.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2501998]Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business. She sat there a few minutes just looking around and begrudgingly walked off in search for a customer. I could have misread the whole incident but I don't think so.

BTW The tooth pull cost me 1100 baht which included antibiotics and pain killers. Pretty cheap price.[/QUOTE]Accepting food in a plastic bag from a random Beach Road SW, is probably twice as much dangerous than accepting a drink from a stranger in a nightclub.

But maybe this would have made your pain go away, while sleeping like a baby on the new beach.

[QUOTE=Allover;2502052]Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.

Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.[/QUOTE]I'm also looking forward to the final submission(s). FLHawk has handled this much differently than I would have, but that makes it interesting. I would have blown Secret off long before the story reached this point. I've never dated a Thai bar girl, seldom even do overnights with them. There are plenty of "good" Thai girls to date.

The story does feel a bit like "Private Dancer". If there is anybody on this forum who hasn't read "Private Dancer", I recommend it. Author is Stephen Leather and you can search around for a free *.pdf download. It's very light reading.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2501937] It is about exposing yourself.

Boo.[/QUOTE]And about showing how we can use the power of a bit of money over an uneducated poor farm girl from a third world country, combined with the strong need to have peer recognition from few experienced board members.

If I recall correctly from one year or two ago, he really fell in love with her mainly because he could come inside her with no condom, having some kind of sexual problems when using condoms.

I really enjoyed reading his field reports at the time. That was well written and informative.

Now it is just a tale of creepy psychological manipulation.

The girl you called everyday "My love" for several months would be deeply hurt knowing that the private life and problems of all her family members is exposed in such details on a public board like this.

And yes, some guys know her here.

It would be interesting if he were critiquing his actions and not hers. What he did wrong and not a about whether she was going to eventually scam him. He's an old guy with money and she's a young woman with youth and maybe beauty, God forbid if she wants some of his money. I really enjoyed his posts back in the day too. Now he just seems like a guy using someone and a bit of a scum bag.

[QUOTE=DrBrianJones;2502228]And
Now it is just a tale of creepy psychological manipulation.

The girl you called everyday "My love" for several months would be deeply hurt knowing that the private life and problems of all her family members is exposed in such details on a public board like this.

And yes, some guys know her here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2502193]Go figure? Often the simplest solution is the most accurate, to a conundrum. I propose that the beautiful "girlfriend" was not actual GF but a girl FL wanted as a GF. Truth is what normal (non bargirl) beautiful lady wants to be seen with a man in his 80's
We don't know how well or how badly this non-pro "GF" of his treats him, we can only know how "secret" treated him, but I'd bet it would have been much worse. Sure FL is a silly old fool, but I can't see him being so stupid as to run from a beautiful non pro GF into the arms of a 30+yr old damaged bargirl.[/QUOTE]LOL. He is not in his 80's. That is just a running joke. It was his actual normal girlfriend. He would travel with her and everything. He even made several reports about her here. When he showed me the picture I was like fuck Pattaya. I would be in Bangkok with that chick right now.

Easy for me to say though. I would have just fucked it up as usual. When I first started going to Pattaya (2006) I had a normal girlfriend that was a school teacher. She also worked at that Adidas store on Walking Street. A couple of years later she was going to come to the USA as a nanny and wanted me to help her with the essay. Well she made it. But when she got here she never had time for me. Eventually she married a guy and they have 2 kids now. Well she obviously had time for somebody. She would never tell me what went wrong.

Yesterday I was going through all the electronic pictures on my external hard drive and put the few that I took of her on my phone and sent them to her today in Line. She said wow I can not believe you still have those. I told her of course I do because I really cared about her. She finally told me what went wrong. She said she was sorry that she did not see she meant a lot to me. She thought I had a lot of girls. Well both things were actually true.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2502273]It would be interesting if he were critiquing his actions and not hers. What he did wrong and not a about whether she was going to eventually scam him. He's an old guy with money and she's a young woman with youth and maybe beauty, God forbid if she wants some of his money. I really enjoyed his posts back in the day too. Now he just seems like a guy using someone and a bit of a scum bag.[/QUOTE]I believe he already has had his answer the writing is to find out if others might be thinking hopefully to find out if anyone else might have done the same thing?

[QUOTE=DrBrianJones;2502219]Accepting food in a plastic bag from a random Beach Road SW, is probably twice as much dangerous than accepting a drink from a stranger in a nightclub............[/QUOTE]You are a doctor so that must be true.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2502397]You are a doctor so that must be true.[/QUOTE]Without precise dosage information, I cannot tell you how deep will be his sleep.

But living in Pattaya, I certainly can empirically tell you how light will be his pockets.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2502397]You are a doctor so that must be true.[/QUOTE]Dr. Brian Jones=Dr. BJ. Maybe he is not a doctor.

[QUOTE=Allover;2502474]Dr. Brian Jones=Dr. BJ. Maybe he is not a doctor.[/QUOTE]Or maybe he is the best kind of doctor.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2503367]Or maybe he is the best kind of doctor.[/QUOTE]Anyhow, we are all in this business for the nurses.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2502180]Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.

And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.

Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.[/QUOTE]I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.

And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.

I suppose, to each his own. You might've had better experiences with regular women. So, this works for you, and that's what you should go for.

My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504220]I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.

And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.

I suppose, to each his own. You might've had better experiences with regular women. So, this works for you, and that's what you should go for.

My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.[/QUOTE]There is no pre judging. I have met FL a few times. But I am going strictly by the reports he has posted here, not anything else. He always wrote highly of the chick that was not a hooker, but complains about the one that is a hooker. It was never the hooker does everything just right. From the beginning it has been why doesn't she do this, why doesn't she do that. My question is why are you into her like that if she never seems to do things that you like.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504220]

My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.[/QUOTE]I think you have it, Dan. Exactly.

Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.

MP is still in Pattaya. Not sure how many guys are still there but those who are should meet up with MP. Send him a PM. Knowing MP he'll likely even buy you a round or two.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2504237].... He always wrote highly of the chick that was not a hooker, but complains about the one that is a hooker. It was never the hooker does everything just right. From the beginning it has been why doesn't she do this, why doesn't she do that. My question is why are you into her like that if she never seems to do things that you like.[/QUOTE]I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.

You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.

Some people see sex for money as a strictly commercial transaction and nothing more than this. But I think this is an extreme view, and perhaps it's true for some people and in some situations. But I see guys giving money and resources to women they like in virtually all relationships. Which includes dating, romance, and marriage. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.

So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.

I think it's hard for outsiders to understand the feelings of a romantic couple, because they see only a part of the picture. They see only the public part and not the private one. It's the couple's sex and their physical affection that motivates them to be with each other. But this is something outsiders don't see and perhaps don't even think about much.

That's why the public part of this romantic relationship doesn't make sense for outsiders. Outsiders literally don't see what holds this couple together, because this part is private and hidden from them.

If these stories included graphic descriptions of sex and affection too, then they would've been more complete, and they would've made more sense for outsiders.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504618]. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.[/QUOTE]This is not true. Sinsod is paid to the parents who will usually use the money for the benefit of the couple, either by giving it straight back to the man or putting down a deposit on a house or something. And the value of the sinsod depends on a woman's age, attractiveness, education and purity. So the parents of an attractive 23 year old virgin with an international master's degree may expect a million baht or more but an ex Soi 6 girl in her 30's with kids is literally worthless and no Thai man would pay any sinsod for her. A lot of clueless farangs don't realise this and get ripped off by greedy parents.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504618]I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.

You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.

So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.[/QUOTE]LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him!

And that is what happens when you read only some of the story. You would have to go back and catch it from the beginning to understand you have the wrong idea.

Or maybe I have the wrong idea. From my comprehension of the story, for the whole relationship he has had to beg for this, that, or the other or plead with her friend to talk some sense into her or whatever. This has not been a smooth he likes her and she likes him thing. It has been an I have to force my way into her heart and make this chick feel something for me thing. But that is only my interpretation after catching the whole show.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2504542]Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504220]I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.

And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.

..................[/QUOTE]I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2504670]I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.[/QUOTE]Yep, I have had many memorable long-time relationships with bar girls. Everything was great and the sex was amazing as long as the relationship stayed grounded on a firm commercial basis. Sadly, or humorlessly, depending on how you look at it, the death knell always sounded whenever one of my long timer's suddenly began thinking of our relationship in a different way. I. e. When she would start thinking of herself as the "girlfriend" or in two separate occasions my girl (s) actually proposed we get married!

This problem arises when a girl starts to think the GFE is more than a transactional fun game to be enjoyed by both parties yes, but not taken seriously except for the exchange of Pay4 Play or when she thinks the guy can be had. But, this fundamental change in a girl's own self-identity always signals the beginning of the end of our long time relationship because suddenly a wonderful, let's have a real good time girl transforms herself into a spoiled self-entitled girl with an attitude problem which means there will be less uninhibited sex, complaints about sex, and even excuses not to perform from time to time and yet still be compensated for doing nothing. Ha ha. So, once these relationships go south, they must always end. There is no way around it.

And for the record, there is nothing you can say to warn the guys who think their GFE is real and their girl is "different" or if they just give in to the girl everything will be peaches & cream again. They will just have to learn about their folly from their own experience. The story is as old as humanity.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2504670]My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of a story. For the first year of marriage, a man puts a pea into a jar each time he has sex with his wife. After the first year, he removes a pea from the jar each time he has sex with his wife. No man has ever emptied his jar.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2504647]I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.[/QUOTE]Does my writing suggest that I miss him? Does my writing suggest he was writing under a couple of other alter egos? I really don't bother with other forums so there is really no guessing on my part! I'm just passing the word if he bothers you with his writing and posting that is your hang up and ego at play I don't know him but do understand why he doesn't post here any longer!

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2504647]I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.[/QUOTE]With you on that. Have always felt 'I know him well, terrific guy, love hanging with him, ladies love him, where is he now, I miss him blah blah" posts about other members are indeed very possibly from the same source.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2504644]LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him! ....[/QUOTE]The answer to your question is biological, rather than logical or philosophical. Biological evolution has made men and women co-dependent with each other for mutual support. It's a kind of bonding that works through sex and hormones.

People's friendships can go sour, and they can break up. But if you wait until your friend is in need and then break up, then this is a betrayal of your friendship. Which makes you untrustworthy for everybody as a friend. This kind of thing can spoil your reputation, if you live in a small community and everybody knows you and your friend.

I suppose, you can leave your previous circle of friends and get to know other people, when you spoil your reputation. So, you can repeatedly betray your friends, when you live in a bigger city and many people don't know you. But you will pay an emotional price for doing that. Because you won't be able to deceive yourself into believing that your friendships are genuine. You will know that your friends aren't really your friends, even when they believe that they are your friends.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2504670]I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.[/QUOTE]I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.

This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.

Perhaps this western courtship process is something the masses have copied from the rich aristocracy for social status purposes. That's why it's not working well for ordinary people like me. The rich can waste their time and resources, because they have plenty of both. But this doesn't work well for those who don't have much of either.

In Thai culture, men and women easily get together through exchange of money. They solve this problem in a different way, and it's a way that works a lot better for ordinary people who don't have a lot of resources. It's a poor man's and a poor woman's way of doing it. And those who believe in dong it the aristocratic way look down on it. But this is just snobbery that has always existed between the rich and the poor, which also includes those who aspire to be rich and try to be like them.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2504949]I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.

This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.

.........[/QUOTE]I had not been doing the dating non-pros in the US thing for many many years. However, when I got home from my shortened (from 3 months to 2 months) Germany trip in March and with no future travel in sight I decided to give the non-pro scene a go. I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2505015].... I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.[/QUOTE]I think the problem in this kind of a situation is a lack of trust.

The lady thinks that you are trying to take advantage of her by having sex first and then talking and getting to know each other better later. And the guy feels that the lady is being unreasonable by wanting love and commitment from him, before she has any sex with him. The guy wants sex first and talking later. And the lady wants it the other way around. And they can't agree, because they don't trust each other to deliver on what the other wants. No trust means no trade and exchange. People avoid dealing with each other, when they don't trust each other.

And in this situation both the guy and the lady are right.

Because people are quite often incompatible with each other, and they only find this out when they get to know each other better. When the guy has sex for the first time with the lady, then he might find that she isn't that good at it, and maybe she doesn't want to do a lot of the stuff that he wants to do. So, he might leave her after the first or second time. And her fears a realized. She thinks that he took advantage of her.

And people are also often incompatible with each other in terms of their personalities, likes, dislikes and their goals in life. So, the lady might talk with him a lot, and he might fall for her with his feelings. But then she decides that he is incompatible with her, and she leaves him without ever having sex with him. So, his fears are realized too. She got commitment from him, but she never had sex with she him, and left him.

I think this happens, because ladies are looking only for long-term relationships. They aren't interested in short-term relationships. When you are looking for a life-changing relationship, then it makes sense to look long and hard and be very reluctant to make a choice. It's a very difficult and risky decision to make.

But in Thailand, many women are willing to have short-term relationships in exchange for money. And they don't necessarily see it in the same light as people in the West do. Because in Thailand, the guy is supposed to pay a large dowry to the lady in marriage. Which involves a long-term relationship and usually having children. So, a short-term relationship that doesn't involve commitment or having children is of the same kind. It's a just a smaller amount of the same kind of a relationship. And that's why a guy paying a much smaller 'dowry' preserves the woman's honor and makes it fair from her point of view.

What westerners see as hooking in Thailand is a kind of short-term common-law marriage from the lady's point of view. That's why many women there do it, and it's not considered necessarily bad. Both the guys and the ladies see it as fair and square. And Thailand used to have polygamy. So, they don't necessarily see 'cheating' in the same light as westerners do. When a married man comes to another lady, then she necessarily feel guilty about it, the way western women might feel.

Quick question,

Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?

As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Quick question,

Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?

As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.[/QUOTE]Some like it some don't it is okay But for me, I got to see some skin and they don't provide any or enough. Drink night is good on Sunday it is close right now pre-covid I put it at maybe top 5 for looks only. Number one before see-19 was pin-up, palace I would say now still rank in that order.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?[/QUOTE]If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.

I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.

Sapphire took over Lady Love in LK Metro. Not sure if they bought it. But some of the girls and Managers, (4, all busy on their phones,) are there. 180 baht for a beer, iirc. They must think they're still on WS! They totally remodeled lady love, (not finished when I went): the tub is gone as are the nude older ladies. A friend and I went and were ignored by the dancers. There were more staff than customers. And yes, lots of ink. Lady Love is about half the size of Sapphire. I barely finished my drink and don't think I'll return.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Quick question, Is there anything like The Pimp .[/QUOTE]Quick answer: Absolutely not.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506189]If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.

I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.[/QUOTE]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2506399]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.[/QUOTE]No one bar hops more than I do. Ask anyone who's been out with me. I can easily hit 10 gogo bars in a night. However, as a newbie tourist I did what so many have done after me. Hit the most commonly discussed gogo bars which at the time were Sapphire, Windmill, What's Up, and Ninja in LK Metro. Back then Palace used to have 20 girls max.

Same for me in FKK clubs in Germany. My record is 6 clubs in a day. 90% of the guys won't go to more than 2 clubs and 95% will sit in the same club for the entire day. At up tp 80 euro per each club entry fee it is understandable but for me if some place isn't good I'm not sticking around to find out if it gets better. I only had 6 weeks vacation per year back then time was more valuable than paying extra club entry fees.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2506399]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.[/QUOTE]I think I have been to most of the Go Go's in BKK and a good number in Pattaya (I won't say most) and what I come away with is not all Go Go's are equal. I like to mix it up as much as the next guy, and I will go anywhere to find what I am looking for, but I always end up where the quality is and that means no matter how many places I check out I end up spending most of my time and money in maybe 7 or 8 Go Go's in BKK and 5 or 6 in Pat.

Still, I am always looking to find new Go Go's to my liking, and I like to check out any new possibilities. That is how I rediscovered Patpong a few years back after an absence of over 10 years. And BB, turned me on to a great little Go Go in Pattaya on my last visit. I literally cannot wait to go back to that treasure trove. But on the whole, I know which Go Go's do not have what I like so I tend to skip those and only check them out maybe once every few years for a quick reconnoiter like I did late one night in Dollhouse Cowboy.

I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506189]Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.[/QUOTE]My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.

For me, this gives rise to a conflict between the two destinations. I love the Pattaya holiday vibe. I really do. I find it easy to relax there when I'm not on the prowl. But once I arrive in any of the Naughty Boy areas I'm dismayed by the prevalent "Pattaya Look." I realize lots of you gents prefer that over-the-top style. But all that ink, all that silicone, all that makeup just doesn't do it for me. (I might also add all that extra weight, at least in the past decade or so.).

In Bangkok my first order of business is always a go go crawl at Nana -- where there is an abundance of fresh, young, cute spinners on offer. Moreover, the "load factor" is much reduced and the amount of ink is an order of magnitude less.

I find myself wondering why I even bother with Pattaya. As the years have passed, I find myself spending more days in Bangkok and fewer in Pattaya. Anything to escape the collateral damage from the carbohydrate bomb that seems to have exploded near the beach, causing a billion gallons of tattoo ink to rain down upon the girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2506514]I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.[/QUOTE]Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2506623]My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

More petite and younger than Pattaya gogo bars like Nui 2, Ginza, Lisa Sexy Coyote? I'm not familiar with your Pattaya gogo bar history but which bars do you usually attend in Pattaya? If it's tourist bars like Skyfall, Iron, What's Up, Taboo, Crazy House, etc then yes I would agree with you. Would be helpful for me to know which are the best Bangkok bars to find young and cute as well cause I tend to stick with Rainbow, Baccara, King's Castle 2, Bada Bing, and Black Pagoda as my go to clubs outside of Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506660]Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.
[/QUOTE]I have been to Misty's. On the night I dropped by they had one or two girls that looked like they had potential. I had other plans that night, so I did not stay to find out.

Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. And don't get me started on Crazy House BKK. That is another bar that fell from grace. It used to be my favorite Go Go in Bangkok. It is sad to think about what it became, but that's the usual story. I know of very few examples of bars the have risen and gotten better, but it can happen. Maybe CH will miraculously shine again post pandemic. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2506736]I don't think I can do that. Its just not me. I don't even do it to hookers who come to my place.[/QUOTE]Interesting. It's exactly what I do do with hookers the minute I close the short time room door. If they are responsive it normally means we're going to hit it off pretty well. If they are hesitant, pull away, or go into shower shower mode, then they're normally not for me.

Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2506729]Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. .[/QUOTE]What's Up's line up went down drastically starting around 2017. Remember how good it was in 2015 and early 2016? Just stunners everywhere but IIRC the highest price tag in Pattaya at the time for drinks, barfine, and girls. I had a regular at What's Up and made 100+ visits in 2018. I can count on 1 hand the number of pretty girls I saw in the club.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2506945]Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.[/QUOTE]That's the way I do it except for the drink as here their eye is oftentimes on the clock. I invite them to take a shower which could be with me depending on the vibe. I don't mind not showering with them. Then on to business. Then payment. If she was very good I invite her to have a drink. Yesterday I had my all time favorite conversationalist who is amazing in the sack although not so hot in the facial looks department. She has an ok body though. Even with her I would not spend too much time conversing before the act. Afterwards we passed a good hour chatting over drinks. She is surprisingly knowledgeable in political and financial matters. $350 well spent.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2506945]Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.[/QUOTE]I've normally had some sort of communication with them beforehand, whether it's a minute or two with a FL on the street, and drink in the bar, or a few jokes walking up the stairs in the oily. I'm not really there to romance or get to know them. Although after a few sessions I will of course know a little bit about them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2507030]I've normally had some sort of communication with them beforehand, whether it's a minute or two with a FL on the street, and drink in the bar, or a few jokes walking up the stairs in the oily. I'm not really there to romance or get to know them. Although after a few sessions I will of course know a little bit about them.[/QUOTE]Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. Yes the customer's behavior can be a variable especially if he's difficult to satisfy but generally they have a routine they go through which as we all know varies enormously in quality from girl to girl but in my opinion at least doesn't change much as a result of how the session starts. Then thinking about it maybe that's because no more than the girls I too have become set in my routine. Perhaps time for a reboot so ass grabbing and some tonguing to begin with, why not.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANSHrLAvr8[/URL]

Guys,

Is the videos from ASM filmed in VT6?

I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.

/ Kirsia.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2507192][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANSHrLAvr8[/URL][/QUOTE]Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week!

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2509035]Is the videos from ASM filmed in VT6?

I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.
[/QUOTE]VT6 is a condo so rooms are all different. I've stayed and seen about 20 different units in VT6 from the studio to the massive Penthouse suite where the bathroom is as large as the studio. I clicked on a couple of videos and the rooms do not look familiar. Some common features in VT6 are the lit ceilings and bar island countertops, but again they are all different.

Did you want to stay at the place because they made amateur porn movies there? As for VT6 it is quite old and the rooms can be extremely outdated and unkept to immaculate.

But the bigger elephant in the room is how are you getting in to Thailand any time in 2021?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I[/URL]

Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2509072]Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week![/QUOTE]I think the figure mentioned was 300-400,000 baht a month, that's much less than 13 k usd a week.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2509147]I think the figure mentioned was 300-400,000 baht a month, that's much less than 13 k usd a week.[/QUOTE]13,000 US a month is a good wedge. For Soi 6. Unless he is lying.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2509138][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I[/URL]

Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.[/QUOTE]Great video letting us know exactly how Pattaya is today. That chick has seen better days. I bet she isn't on 13,000 US a month any more.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2507161]Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. [/QUOTE]Generally speaking, I strongly agree with this. The service a girl provides is fairly similar between different customers, down to minor peculiarities and specials. I got that impression whenever I talked to people who have taken the same girl, especially popular ones from the Bangkok oilies or Beach Road.

More importantly, service will be roughly the same no matter how much you're paying. She'll give me the exact same service for 1000 baht that some clueless newbie paid her 2500 before.

However, with some of the girls, you won't get what you don't ask for, especially when it comes to advanced stuff, like rimming or anal. They might not volunteer, but they'll do it with anyone on request. Being forceful with the request won't help, best to ask and move on if she says no, unless you agreed on something beforehand.

Unless the customer is remarkably boorish and odious, he won't fare significantly worse, and on the other hand, a single session is rarely enough for a customer to ingratiate themselves with the girl and make her eager to do stuff she won't with others. Some girls are great at making us feel special and unique, but odds are, yes, she does that particular act with everyone.

Last but not least, some of the girls are just flaky and have mood fluctuations, and might be ok one day but crap the next.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2507161]Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. Yes the customer's behavior can be a variable especially if he's difficult to satisfy but generally they have a routine they go through which as we all know varies enormously in quality from girl to girl but in my opinion at least doesn't change much as a result of how the session starts. Then thinking about it maybe that's because no more than the girls I too have become set in my routine. Perhaps time for a reboot so ass grabbing and some tonguing to begin with, why not.[/QUOTE]Your last sentence kind of sums it up for me. I immediately tried to take them out of their routine. It normally either leads to a very good experience or calling off the whole thing.

In my almost way too long of a time in Thailand I have found that very few change over time. I've had quite a few gals years apart, and their skill sets rarely change. If they were lousy when they were 22 they're equally lousy when they're 32.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2509035]I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.[/QUOTE]First, you posted in the wrong forum. There is a separate forum for Pattaya Hotels.

Second, there is an amazing variety of lodging in Pattaya. If you want to splash out, there are five star hotels with ocean views. If you're a Cheap Charlie, there are rooms with a fan on the east side of town. And everything in between. You need to provide more detail about your budget and your preferences.

Third, if you've never been to Pattaya (and I'm assuming you have not) you don't know what you don't know. Go to the Pattaya Hotels forum and read the last 100 pages. Google the lodging that strikes your fancy. Look at the photos. Do some map recon. Get a sense of how the city is laid out. Make a list of candidates. If at that point you have SPECIFIC questions, put them to the group.

In other words:

[URL]https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Read+the+fucking+FAQ![/URL]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2509175]More importantly, service will be roughly the same no matter how much you're paying. She'll give me the exact same service for 1000 baht that some clueless newbie paid her 2500 before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2509212]I've had quite a few gals years apart, and their skill sets rarely change. If they were lousy when they were 22 they're equally lousy when they're 32.[/QUOTE]I was just discussing this in another thread a couple of days ago when another BM said, "So when I was giving her money, I was not paying her for sex. I am paying to have another experience like the one I had in the future. " I contested that it was not the money that made you have the experience that you did.

In general people fuck how they fuck. Pretty much the same as we walk how we walk. Are any of us going to walk differently 10 years from now barring shit connected to older age or accidents? So I really would not expect a person to fuck any different either unless they went through some kind of grand seminars instructing them of various techniques like the ones were taught by the Russians that got busted a few years back in Phuket.

This is a mongering forum where we talk about paying chicks. If tomorrow a chick paid you double instead of you paying her, then how would your method of fucking change? Would you really give it to her then? If so, what would really giving it to her entail? More than likely you would just be doing the same kind of fucking that you have always done.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2509163]13,000 US a month is a good wedge. For Soi 6. Unless he is lying.[/QUOTE]If Soi 6 girls made 13 k USD per month it explains why Secret doesn't need FL's money!

13 k USD is 392,500 baht monthly. This is 13 k baht per day. Let's be generous that a Soi 6 girl can make 1 k baht per day on lady drinks (20 drinks x 50 baht / drink). That still means that the girl makes 12 k baht per day on sessions. At 1000 baht per session, the girl has to do 12 1 hour sessions every day 7 days per week. Let's be generous and reduce this to 10 sessions per day if she gets generous tippers. I can see top girls doing this on occasion but to sustain it over time not a chance. Most Soi 6 girls are lucky to get 10 lady drinks per day and 1 session.

Of course none of the above numbers matter whatsoever if the girl is charming enough to get a few sucker Sponsors.

Math done quickly hope it's correct.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2509138][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I[/URL]

Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the video. The girl at 6:20 looks familiar. That is Sapphire style. She's obviously drunk or something else. As usual don't judge a club by who is standing outside but if I did I'd be horrified. Those aren't Palace girls but we all know the Palace girls have left Palace.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2509072]Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week![/QUOTE]The actual quote (as best I could understand) was "... We had one girl who was making 400k a month, but she's an anomaly... Some girls just make 40k." (at 22:35). That 400 k/month comes out to about $3,200 USD/week, not $13,000 USD/week. That's the high end, very few girls make that much, I doubt that even one can make that much consistently. I suspect the 40 k/month girl ($320 USD/week) is far more common.

Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2509138][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I[/URL]...[/QUOTE]Where I was desiring to live in my 70's and 80's. Hope that can still work out.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2509309]The actual quote (as best I could understand) was "... We had one girl who was making 400k a month, but she's an anomaly... Some girls just make 40k." (at 22:35). That 400 k/month comes out to about $3,200 USD/week, not $13,000 USD/week. That's the high end, very few girls make that much, I doubt that even one can make that much consistently. I suspect the 40 k/month girl ($320 USD/week) is far more common.

Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.[/QUOTE]A Soi 6 girl bringing in $13,000 a month. I would need receipts.

Just saying so many just spout utter Khrap.

You see what's in those Soi 6 Bars. I am not impressed.

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[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2509524]This really takes the cake. You guys guys are some lame, gullible, stupid fucks. No wonder why you over pay for pussy in a 3rd world country. 400,000 baht is $13,000 us dollars. I don't care if she is barfined every day of the month at a rate of $4,000 baht ($130 us dollar). She would need to see 100 customers in a month at a rate of 4,000 baht ($130 us dollars) per session to make that $13000! What Soi 6 bargirl even makes a quarter of that you dumb asses.[/QUOTE]Armchair mongers are bewildered by the fact that LBFMs in Pattaya are pulling in big dollars for doing nothing. Hahaha. But what's the point? Uneducated hookers, despite how glamourous they look in lipstick, white face paint and a tiny black thong, will always allow money to slip between their fingers. They are permanently broke. Tuk tuk drivers, other Thai boyfriends, shabu dealers, card sharks, landladies, friends and relatives will all take more than their share. Those Aussie outlaw bikers who own that group of bars would have all their girls in their stable hooked on ice. No doubt about that.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2509309]Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.[/QUOTE]

If a Soi 6 girl were that hot or good in bed she wouldn't be working in Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2509524]You guys guys are some lame, gullible, stupid fucks.

you dumb asses. [/QUOTE]Thanks. Xoxoxo.

Hey, now, Thailand is at least a second world country!

I'd guess in 2017/2018 a few soi 6 girls were making 100 k in a month. That's basically salary + 3 quick ST a day, pretty doable. Especially when its tourists who will overpay or tip and not local expats. And its not every month, maybe peak high season its possible in normal years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2509271]....In general people fuck how they fuck. Pretty much the same as we walk how we walk. Are any of us going to walk differently 10 years from now barring shit connected to older age or accidents? So I really would not expect a person to fuck any different either unless they went through some kind of grand seminars instructing them of various techniques like the ones were taught by the Russians that got busted a few years back in Phuket.

This is a mongering forum where we talk about paying chicks. If tomorrow a chick paid you double instead of you paying her, then how would your method of fucking change? Would you really give it to her then? If so, what would really giving it to her entail? More than likely you would just be doing the same kind of fucking that you have always done.[/QUOTE]I can say from my own experience that I walk in a different way, when I walk with a lady, compared to when I walk alone.

When I walk with a lady, then I adjust my speed and my rhythm to make it easy and comfortable for the lady. Or else she might need to run after me and have a hard time keeping up with me. Or I might leave her behind and end up walking alone, if I don't adjust my walking to hers. Because the lady is often smaller than me, with shorter legs. And the lady's anatomy of broader hips makes her inherently less efficient at walking than men, who have narrower hips. And the lady might also be wearing shoes with high heels or platform kind of shoes that make walking more difficult and less efficient for her. So, usually I'm the one who needs to slow down and adjust to the lady, when we walk together.

I suppose it's possible for a guy to be so selfish, that he doesn't adjust to his lady and does his habitual thing. Some guys are probably like this. And they can be like this both in walking with the lady and in having sex with her. But when a guy behaves this way, then he makes it difficult and unpleasant for the lady. She might tolerate it anyway, when you pay. But this isn't a good thing to do either in walking or in having sex with a partner.

And it's true that having a lot of sexual experience doesn't necessarily make you good in bed. Experience makes you better in bed only when you honestly judge your own performance, see your mistakes and inadequacies, and try to improve.

Some people learn from their experience, and they keep improving over time. While other people acquire bad habits and keep repeating them again and again. Because some people have a growth mindset and some have a fixed mindset. People with a growth mindset believe that they can learn and improve. And that's what they try to do every time. While people with a fixed mindset believe that they are born to be in a certain way, and they can't change it. So, they don't even try to judge their own performance, and they don't try to learn and improve.

This thing about learning from experience or not includes more than just sex. When people have a growth mindset or a fixed mindset, then they behave this way in most others aspects of their lives, which might include school, work, friends, marriage, and sex. Some people believe that they are born in a certain way, and they are fated to be the way they are, and they don't even believe that they can change and improve. So, they don't even try to learn and to change. And this lack of trying is what makes their belief about themselves come true. Their belief about themselves is true not because it has to be true, but because they make it true with their own thinking, choices, and behavior.

I think having good sex with a partner is like dancing well with a partner. You don't just do your own thing, as if you are alone. You adjust to the lady, and she adjusts to you. You might take the leading role with your pole from the front and from behind. Or the lady might cowgirl you with her pussy to lead the fuck with you. And you might also have some back and forth about who is in charge, when your cock is large. She might cowgirl you with her pussy, but then you will buck her from below. Or you might even stand up with the chick on your dick and go from cowgirl to missionary on her, while staying inside her with your cock throughout this maneuver.

I did something like this with a Thai lady before. And she thought this was hot. Because she became vocal and started making sex sounds, when I put her on her back like that from cowgirl to missionary on her, with my cock still inside her.

These are just some of the possible variations during your penetrations. And you shouldn't discount how the lady wants you to mount. These ladies often have a lot of experience with guys. They know what other guys have liked to do with them in the past. And they might suggest this to you too, if you let them take the lead with you. And you don't necessarily know what you like, until you try it. Because imagination is different from reality.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2509680]........go from cowgirl to missionary on her, while staying inside her with your cock throughout this maneuver.

I did something like this with a Thai lady before. And she thought this was hot. Because she became vocal and started making sex sounds, when I put her on her back like that from cowgirl to missionary on her, with my cock still inside her............[/QUOTE]Girls love it when you change positions without exiting from inside of them. Inexperienced girls especially have huge smiles on their faces when you effectuate those maneuvers.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2509661]I'd guess in 2017/2018 a few soi 6 girls were making 100 k in a month. That's basically salary + 3 quick ST a day, pretty doable. [/QUOTE]Talent from 2017 to pre-COVID 2020 had gone down 10 fold. In 2017 you could walk down Soi 6 and have to decide which one of the cute girls you want. In 2020, you went to grab dinner waiting for the gogo bars to open at 7:30 pm.

In addition, the number of guys cruising Soi 6 in 2017 was significantly higher than pre-COVID 2020.

Lots of girls would have made 100 k per month in 2017. Very very few in 2020. Almost zero now excluding Sponsor money.

Could an body please help to recommend a reliable pharmacist in central Pattaya that I refill some of my medical medications. Also can buy kamagra gels from them. I appreciate your help.

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[QUOTE=LoveSex22;2511214]COULD AN BODY PLEASE HELP TO RECOMEND A RELIABLE PHARMACIST IN CENTRAL PATTAYA THAT I REFIL SOME OF MY MEDICAL MEDICATIONS. ALSO CAN BUY kAMAGRA GELLS FROM THEM. I APRICIATE YOUR HELP.[/QUOTE]LS,

Firstly please turn off CapsLock. It's rude to shout.

For regular prescription meds Fascino ([URL]https://www.fascino.co.th/en/[/URL]) have always served me well. They are a smallish chain and seem to carry good stock levels and probably have a higher stock turnover rate than the independents. They have branches at:

Pattaya Klang (Central Pattaya Road) a bit further inland than the end of Soi Buakhao. It's on the left as you head away from the Beach.

Pattaya Tai (South Pattaya Road) about 2-300 metres inland from the Second Road junction. If you get to Tukcom you've gone too far.

Pattaya Nua (North Pattaya Road) about 100 metres past City Hall. From Dolphins roundabout / Terminal 21 head inland about 500 metres (it's beyond the big Tesco Lotus and on the other side of the road).

For Erectile Dysfunction meds. Pretty much any of the independent pharmacies. Some do, some don't. Just ask, they're used to it. I would suggest checking expiry dates given how quiet things are around much of Pattaya. Stock may have sat on the shelf for months.

[QUOTE=LoveSex22;2511214] A RELIABLE PHARMACIST IN CENTRAL PATTAYA[/QUOTE]I get my refills at We're Drugs Pharmacy on Soi Buahkao, near LK Metro, almost across from the Top Charoen Optical Store. The prices there are better than most, and they can order if they don't have it in stock. Usually same day or next day. The ladies speak good English too. Remember, you have to tell them what you need, as they can't prescribe meds. I show them pics of my prescription labels. They also have ED meds. I get my gels from the street venders, without issues. (Cheaper.).

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622].And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]You and her get married and live happily ever after!

FL Hawke has been quiet for over month now, lets hope we get the last episode before the new year.

[QUOTE=Smyke;2512128]FL Hawke has been quiet for over month now, lets hope we get the last episode before the new year.[/QUOTE]Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.

I was rather harsh in my judgement of him. It seemed wrong to me to string a woman on for months.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2512188]Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2512188]Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.[/QUOTE]The negativity was ridiculous and reached the point of name calling. Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. And people complained during a pandemic when not much else has been posted. I'm not sure why he has been silent but you may be right. Hopefully he will post the rest of the story. I tried to reach out to him but his inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2512191]I was rather harsh in my judgement of him. It seemed wrong to me to string a woman on for months.[/QUOTE]Yes Horatio you were a bit harsh as were many others.

In fairness I think he asked for people to respond to his story. He was one of my favorite posters. If he is reading this. I apologize for being so harsh and wish him and Secret well.

[QUOTE=Allover;2512530]The negativity was ridiculous and reached the point of name calling. Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. And people complained during a pandemic when not much else has been posted. I'm not sure why he has been silent but you may be right. Hopefully he will post the rest of the story. I tried to reach out to him but his inbox is full.

Yes Horatio you were a bit harsh as were many others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allover;2512530]Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. [/QUOTE]FL advised that he spent hours writing the final installment. This was weeks ago. We'll see if he feels like posting it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2512816]FL advised that he spent hours writing the final installment. This was weeks ago. We'll see if he feels like posting it.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a Christmas day blockbuster epilogue. Question is will the ending be conclusive or will we be left with the possibility of a second series.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2512188]Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.[/QUOTE]I supported him for as long as he seemed to look for a relationship in an honest way. He even wrote that I was the only one that understood him. Then he spoke about his fear of being cheated and just started cheating himself. After that he still asked for her sincerity. He might be fed up with my comments but I am OK with that.

Here is a heart-breaking report from some months ago as to how Pattaya's hookers have been hit by Covid19. Some of the women are odd looking specimens, crosses between elephants and middle aged mamas. The news report is from some months ago so I suspect most of them have gone to the wall since. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuePrrDRRs[/URL].

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2515511]Here is a heart-breaking report from some months ago as to how Pattaya's hookers have been hit by Covid19. [b]Some of the women are odd looking specimens, crosses between elephants and middle aged mamas[/b] . The news report is from some months ago so I suspect most of them have gone to the wall since. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuePrrDRRs[/URL].[/QUOTE]So nevermind that the main woman in the story is a man? How much did you send him?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2515560]So nevermind that the main woman in the story is a man? How much did you send him?[/QUOTE]Some? Most in Pattaya are not EZ on the eyes. LOL.

You know the 500 bahters and below crowd.

Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok? Starting today until Jan 5th, entertainment closes at midnight no alcohol served although no Ban.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2516319]Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok? Starting today until Jan 5th, entertainment closes at midnight no alcohol served although no Ban.[/QUOTE]No, Everything still open in Pattaya, but with a 12 a closure. Ban Chang is closed up though.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/29/chonburi-announces-12-new-local-cases-of-covid-19-recap-of-governors-press-conference/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2516322]No, Everything still open in Pattaya, but with a 12 a closure. Ban Chang is closed up though.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/29/chonburi-announces-12-new-local-cases-of-covid-19-recap-of-governors-press-conference/[/URL][/QUOTE]Isn't that what I said? Midnight? Look again! I suspect tonight some will try to stretch the timeline we will see how serious. BaLn Chang is in the Rayong province which had an outbreak from their illegal casino the reason now the province has been locked down.

Also, Pattaya City Hall made an announcement today if people have been in these areas at these dates and times and have fevers go get help! 1. Thepprasit Boxing Stadium Dec 1st, 2. Provincial Court Dec 10th, 3. Lek Hotel Dec 17th-20th, 24th-26th, 4. Bone Entertainment venue behind Central Marina 2nd Road.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2516336]Isn't that what I said? Midnight? Look again![/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2516319]Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok?[/QUOTE]See that Question mark?, means you were asking a question. Even if that was a typo, it is Not the same as Bangkok. Bangkok has closed ALL entertainment venues, and other places until Jan 4. There are currently NO restrictions, closures in Pattaya. Pattaya only has the 12a closing time, and No end date given on that.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2516348]No.

See that Question mark?, means you were asking a question. Even if that was a typo, it is Not the same as Bangkok. Bangkok has closed ALL entertainment venues, and other places until Jan 4. There are currently NO restrictions, closures in Pattaya. Pattaya only has the 12a closing time, and No end date given on that.[/QUOTE]Yes you are correct it isn't the " same " as Bangkok the word I should have used from what I read in the article was " similar " The big difference is Bangkok is completely closed which in Pattaya since the bar and GoGo close well beyond Midnight the announcement is for them to close by Midnight also stating only food and drink can be served although stated there is no ban on alcohol. It also stated a timeline for these restrictions JAN 4TH same as Bangkok!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2516540]Yes you are correct it isn't the " same " as Bangkok the word I should have used from what I read in the article was " similar " The big difference is Bangkok is completely closed which in Pattaya since the bar and GoGo close well beyond Midnight the announcement is for them to close by Midnight also stating only food and drink can be served although stated there is no ban on alcohol. It also stated a timeline for these restrictions JAN 4TH same as Bangkok![/QUOTE]Bangkok is still open, it depends on the district and the local police's interpretation of the rules. Nana Plaza go-go bars are closed, pubs are open and Soi Cowboy all go-go bars are open. (still dead with few tourists).

Pattaya now on full lockdown, everything closed including Central. Restaurants are takeout only. It sucks but I'd prefer they shut down now and its over in a few weeks vs 3 months again.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2516602]Bangkok is still open, it depends on the district and the local police's interpretation of the rules. Nana Plaza go-go bars are closed, pubs are open and Soi Cowboy all go-go bars are open. (still dead with few tourists).[/QUOTE]Revision made today non-essentials all shutdown, 7/11 is to close at 10:00 pm! Can go to the Bangkok Post links to get details. Just came back from the market on the Darkside all the bars and GC are closed.

No Pattaya curfew, but shit getting serious. Chonburi Public Heath Office advising people to monitor their health if they went to H&M in Terminal 21, Duck Club on WS, Glass house in Na Jomtien and a bunch of other places. There are 108 confirmed cases of local transmission of Covid 19 in Chonburi. The total number of Chonburi is now reached 144. They've released three different timelines this evening to warn people.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/30/latest-timelines-the-duck-club-thepprasit-market-and-other-venues-in-pattaya-nongprue-banglamung-and-sattahip-warns-people-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-confirmed-covid-19-cases/[/URL]

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2516638]Pattaya now on full lockdown, everything closed including Central. Restaurants are takeout only. It sucks but I'd prefer they shut down now and its over in a few weeks vs 3 months again.[/QUOTE]A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.

Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2516933]A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.

Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.[/QUOTE]Says the main posting on a site where folk wish to bonk random, uneducated hookers. Now you want to attack grannies because they do not wear a mask like you want her to wear it. You think she should have been smoking her head off and, presumably, injecting to protect you from your phobias.

Why not stop planes flying altogether? Why allow elite sports? Why allow newspapers to be printed?

I will take my chances by eating 5+ a day, keeping my immune system strong, helping old ladies and avoiding like the plague they are ignorant scare mongers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2516933]Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.[/QUOTE]The narrative is biased from the beginning. The virus is spread all around the world and it's not face masks, vaccines or any totalitarian government response that will eradicate it. The virus will not disappear and these lockdowns will be extended as long as they can enforce them. It's completely illogical to fuck lives of 99 % of the population to save 1% so the problem has nothing to do with that virus but they are trying to implement something else on the global population.

To make it short, dumb people are the ones that believe to their narrative and are willing to inject that shitty product in their blood in order to still be able to do whatever they were used to before the spread of the virus.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2516933]A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.

Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.[/QUOTE]Saw 2 old farang ladies and a older farang man arguing with security today at Central Pattaya because all 3 had their masks off. Just being total cunts of course, acting that because they lived longer than others they earned the right to go without a mask. I'm not scared of covid but its just basic decency to wear a mask going into a mall where its mandatory on the first day of semi-lockdown.

Science says lockdowns do not work. It's all Political.

I feel a lot better knowing Thailand has one more Submarine.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517034]It's completely illogical to fuck lives of 99 % of the population to save 1% [/QUOTE]The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2517252]The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.[/QUOTE]The lockdowns were the exact right thing to do not only to avoid overwhelming hospitals and tie up the time and attention of medical staff to the point where your garden variety heart attack patient and motorcycle accident casualty would laguish in the halls outside of the ER until they were added to the death ranks but also in order to buy time to learn how to treat it and reduce the death rates for all ages and physical conditions.

Anyone reading this who needs to be hospitalized for Covid today will be given treatment and drugs they might not have been given last March or April, even moved into a particular position on the bed that could very well mean the difference between dying 5 days from now or 25 years from now.

It requires time and, forgive the pun, breathing room to learn those things.

And if you ARE reading this today instead of being 8 months dead already after waiting in a 10 hour queue at your local ER before anyone knew what the fuck to do about this novel virus to prolong life rather than end it you might want to give thanks to the authorites who had the gonads to demand a lockdown for the pleasure.

Now they are learning about a more infectious variant that might be much more harmful to people not in the first 1% or 10% that the original coronavirus version effected, perhaps young children. Or might not. Only time will tell. But I vote for learning more about it with just 50% of hospital beds filled with case studies to learn from during some degree of lockdown rather than with 100% of them filled and a 4 day gueue unable to be admitted and tended to at all just so I can pick up a loaf of bread at 7-11 at 2 am instead of only before 10 pm.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2517261]The lockdowns were the exact right thing to do not only to avoid overwhelming hospitals and tie up the time and attention of medical staff to the point where your garden variety heart attack patient and motorcycle accident casualty would laguish in the halls outside of the ER until they were added to the death ranks but also in order to buy time to learn how to treat it and reduce the death rates for all ages and physical conditions.

Anyone reading this who needs to be hospitalized for Covid today will be given treatment and drugs they might not have been given last March or April, even moved into a particular position on the bed that could very well mean the difference between dying 5 days from now or 25 years from now.

It requires time and, forgive the pun, breathing room to learn those things.

And if you ARE reading this today instead of being 8 months dead already after waiting in a 10 hour queue at your local ER before anyone knew what the fuck to do about this novel virus to prolong life rather than end it you might want to give thanks to the authorites who had the gonads to demand a lockdown for the pleasure.

Now they are learning about a more infectious variant that might be much more harmful to people not in the first 1% or 10% that the original coronavirus version effected, perhaps young children. Or might not. Only time will tell. But I vote for learning more about it with just 50% of hospital beds filled with case studies to learn from during some degree of lockdown rather than with 100% of them filled and a 4 day gueue unable to be admitted and tended to at all just so I can pick up a loaf of bread at 7-11 at 2 am instead of only before 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Well stated and I could not agree with you more.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517034]they are trying to implement something else on the global population.

To make it short, dumb people are the ones that believe to their narrative and are willing to inject that shitty product in their blood in order to still be able to do whatever they were used to before the spread of the virus.[/QUOTE]Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517289]Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?[/QUOTE]As a medical professional, if there is a conspiracy where everyone else is collaborating and making dollars off this vaccine, please please let me in on the easy money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517289]Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?[/QUOTE]Millions of people believe exactly that.

The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.

Too many people are selfish and lack respect for others. What does Buddha teach about that?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2517338]Millions of people believe exactly that.

The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.

Too many people are selfish and lack respect for others. What does Buddha teach about that?[/QUOTE]Science says it's the Flu. Wash your Hands. Don't kiss ProstitootS.

If You are vulnerable stay home.

US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.

[QUOTE=Ncc1701A;2517325]As a medical professional, if there is a conspiracy where everyone else is collaborating and making dollars off this vaccine, please please let me in on the easy money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2517417]US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.[/QUOTE]And same for your car mechanic with a $5 part. What will you end up paying? LOL.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2517417]US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.[/QUOTE]Maybe it depends on being in a failing Blue state vs a liberated state. Certainly it's not the fault of DJT. Maybe Jared Kushner, who allowed people not vomiting and in an ICU to be tested. Or Mike Pence, Czar of "Warp Speed" ? Write a beautiful letter to Mitch McConnell or Rand Paul, who seem to have all the answers.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2517417]US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.[/QUOTE]There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2517417]US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.[/QUOTE]Some companies will profit wildly from the virus. That doesn't mean we should stop testing. That doesn't make it hoax.

The tests that cost a dollar to make can be self administered and are 99% accurate. A small fraction of the latest covid stimulus could make widespread testing a reality.


www.rapidtests.org
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517438]There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2517417]US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.[/QUOTE]United Airlines Partner charges $250.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517438]There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.[/QUOTE]Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.

What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.

[QUOTE=LovinAsia;2517579]Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.

What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.[/QUOTE]Blah blah blah. It is called price discrimination. Do you go to London and see a Big Mac cost $8 and say it is a scam because in Manila a Big Mac costs only $2?

[QUOTE=LovinAsia;2517579]Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.

What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.[/QUOTE]Its not a scam, its capitalism. The industrialists in richer countries need a bigger slice of the pie for themselves as it is essential for them to maintain a lifestyle that is befitting their station in life.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517588]in Manila a Big Mac costs only $2?[/QUOTE]Greetings from Manila, it's $3 to be precise.

Happy New Year and Cheers!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517289]Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?[/QUOTE]The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).

Medical professionals don't have a say, they've got to keep on doing their jobs and shut up. Most of the times the ones that tried to stand up against that tyranny had lawsuits filed against them, had their voices shut down on the mainstream media and on social media apps also and many had been fired from the hospital they were working in.

How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2517438]There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517670]The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).

Medical professionals don't have a say, they've got to keep on doing their jobs and shut up. Most of the times the ones that tried to stand up against that tyranny had lawsuits filed against them, had their voices shut down on the mainstream media and on social media apps also and many had been fired from the hospital they were working in.[/QUOTE]Remember the young good looking Wuhan Dr. Who started speaking the truth. He died of Covid. MeThinks he was murdered.

Most guys need a test to find out they have chlamydia. Not deadly but spreadable and bad enough for some.

[QUOTEE=Linyjo;2517678]How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived. [ / QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2517678]People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.[/QUOTE]Where did you get your numbers? I just checked today's report from Johns Hopkins and worldwide it shows cumulative 85,100,000 cases and 1,840,000 deaths. There are still 37,300,000 that have not yet recovered and some of those will die. Perhaps your math is better than mine, but my calculator says 97.8% are still living, not even close to your 99.95%. There are also millions who will have related health problems for the rest of their lives, perhaps you don't mind being one of them.

Note to other posters. Sorry for feeding a troll, I lost control.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2517678]How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.[/QUOTE]It really isn't important at least to me what the percentage the same with any other disease, cancer, Hiv or just being in the wrong place at the right time you don't want to be that 1% if you were I know you wouldn't be singing the tune you singing now! I know I wouldn't get any argument for any of the 99.95% who got it in the beginning.

I just found out today a former co-worker I would guess age 55 been in hospital in a coma since the middle of November didn't make it.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2518385]Where did you get your numbers? I just checked today's report from Johns Hopkins and worldwide it shows cumulative 85,100,000 cases and 1,840,000 deaths. There are still 37,300,000 that have not yet recovered and some of those will die. Perhaps your math is better than mine, but my calculator says 97.8% are still living, not even close to your 99.95%. There are also millions who will have related health problems for the rest of their lives, perhaps you don't mind being one of them.

Note to other posters. Sorry for feeding a troll, I lost control.[/QUOTE]Don't apologize.

Don't be in a hurry to visit Patts as there is nothing to see right now.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FLj2roZjBk&t=758s[/URL]

I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2519453]I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.[/QUOTE]You're totally true! Pattaya is dead town but girls are all online and they all come to your condo for 1000/1500 Bahts. And for 1500 they provide easily BBFS. It's great!

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2519453]I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.[/QUOTE]That's good to know. Please post your field reports. It's probably because people don't know.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2519453]I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.[/QUOTE]I use a dating website (mostly in Bangkok) and all the encounters are free. Sure, it may take a bit more work / effort / time chatting the girls up but there is a 95% rate for me of sex on the first encounter.

What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2519574]What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?[/QUOTE]Why does that puzzle you? You just talk to them normal and wait for them to say how much you give me. If they do not say that then 9 times out of 10 it is a regular chick.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2519574]What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?[/QUOTE]On some dating apps the girls specify what age man they want. If they want any age, they are probably hookers. If they seek a man within a small range of ages, they are probably regular girls.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2519591]On some dating apps the girls specify what age man they want. If they want any age, they are probably hookers. If they seek a man within a small range of ages, they are probably regular girls.[/QUOTE]I did not know you could see whet the girl was aiming for. I usually look at the photos and if I like, I swipe right. I must be lucky because the majority of the girls I like are a match.

And at MrEnternational, I have yet to encounter a girl that asks me for money, they all just want to chat, take it slow and most are not difficult to talk into some fun.

One thing too, there must be so many fake profiles out there, they all ask for Video calls to confirm I am the person my profile says I am.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2519605]I did not know you could see whet the girl was aiming for. I usually look at the photos and if I like, I swipe right. I must be lucky because the majority of the girls I like are a match.

And at MrEnternational, I have yet to encounter a girl that asks me for money, they all just want to chat, take it slow and most are not difficult to talk into some fun.

One thing too, there must be so many fake profiles out there, they all ask for Video calls to confirm I am the person my profile says I am.[/QUOTE]ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, and ThaiFlirting all specify a target age range. I've never used Tinder in Thailand. I've found very few hookers in ThaiCupid, maybe zero.

I've also used people nearby on both WeChat and Line. No target age range there. Lots of scam artists contact me thru those apps. But, two of my best experiences have come through WeChat people nearby (one in Samui and one in USA).

Video chats are great for us and for the girls. If a girl won't video chat I quickly ignore her.

I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?

Sure I have Freebie girls like any other expat but I lived in Pattaya. My Freebie girls are girls I met through other girls or maybe a gogo girl who I never barfined and it was a challenge for her to see if she could get me to sleep with her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2519656]I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free.
...[/QUOTE]Beer.

LOL. Ok, maybe not usually that simple but it could be in some cases. I certainly see mention of such a thing on some Thai girls' dating site profiles.

But there is a lot of flexibility in the terms "20" year old, "hot", "tourist", "40+" and "free" regarding a dating site encounter.

Maybe she's 20. More likely she's closer to 30, mid to late 20's at best.

A tourist doesn't have to say he's a tourist. He can say he lives here all the time and was looking for a regular GF or even marriage. When I meet non pro girls online it seems to be very important for them to quickly establish how long I have been here and how long do I plan to stay here. With P4P girls too, I suppose, but not as consistently.

Some young party girls who don't appear to need the money and flat out say on their profiles, in effect, that if you offer them money or think they are a prostitute they will block you immediately are also the ones most likely to designate an 18-30 year age range for the men they want to meet. Many 40+ year old farangs will click on them anyway and might pull it off, especially if your first meeting is after the girl has already tossed back 5 Heinekens.

And "hot" is in the eye of the beholder. I think it is easier for us to agree on "above average looking" girls. Then among that group some men will judge this one or that one to be "hot" while others would consider her only pleasantly "doable. " But at least "doable."

Being a 67 year old long stay resident I don't think I would claim to routinely get hot 20 year old Thai girls fucking and sucking me for free whether I've met them online or anywhere else.

Applying some realistic flexibility in there I could say I occasionally meet above average looking, more than doable Thai girls in their 20's who will meet to fuck and suck me as part of a more normal dating type experience on their preferred understanding that I am not expected to automatically hand them an agreed upon amount of baht on their way out the door the next day but that I will more than likely be happy to cover transportation expenses and to transfer an emergency 1,000 - 2,000 baht for rent, late paychecks from their regular job and such if or rather when that emergency comes up.

In some cases, it rarely comes up. In other cases, more often.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2519656]I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?[/QUOTE]No, not quite that. These are Thai girls who are looking for a farang husband and want to live in his western country. They are willing to do months of Line video chats before meeting in Thailand followed by a month long sexcation. If marriage happens, great, if not she had a month vacation, eating nice food, taking tours, and staying in resorts she could never afford. Implicit in the marriage deal is a lifetime supply of money sent to her poor Issan family. There are many western men looking for this, half of me wants that while the other half wants an endless supply of agogo, massage, and free lancer girls.

My travel buddy married a professional Thai girl from a Thai dating website and they are now happily married for 2 years in USA. Oh, she is 34 years younger. Ive set up the same kind of thing for myself, but the planned time together is only 5 to 12 days and I have the remaining vacation time to myself (or can invite her to stay longer).

Sometimes it works and everybody is happy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2519656]I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free[/QUOTE]I'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.

Many of the girls now start to smarten up and know the tricks. Most Farangs want to talk about sex and think sending these girls pics of their pecker will make them horny. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

I have found that all the girls I have been 100% honest with are the ones that dropped their panties the quickest.

I am upfront about being in a relationship and just looking to meet friends to talk, have been in Thailand a long time and I offer video calls to prove my pictures are genuine.

Believe me, it only takes a couple days for these girls to really want to meet you, and usually they are the ones hinting for "benefits" to be added to the friendship.

Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm over 40, I'm not single, I'm not looking for a relationship and saying that upfront somehow creates an atmosphere of trust. I never talk about sex or sexual stuff, I talk about food, movies, TikTok (yeah, I know) and it's refreshing to them.

No matter what age the girl, they've been lied to and deceived so many times, scammed sometimes too. So if you don't talk about sex or offer / ask for pics, you'll be standing out easy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2519669].......A tourist doesn't have to say he's a tourist. He can say he lives here all the time and was looking for a regular GF or even marriage.....[/QUOTE]In other words be dishonest. Lay a good foundation for your temporary relationship.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2519769]In other words be dishonest. Lay a good foundation for your temporary relationship.[/QUOTE]Of course. We're talking about dating and hook up sites. Everybody rounds up or down on some details here and there. There is only a small chance she's going to show up looking as good as she does in her best photo. Probably more like 5 years older and 4 kilos heavier than her worst photo.

In fact, a good rule of thumb to go by with dating site profiles is the more she emphasizes how honest she needs her man of choice to be and how much she hates liars, the farther away from looking like her best photo (or any of her photos) she is likely to turn out to be. In the wrong direction.

I am not instructing or recommending anyone lie about being a long termer rather than a tourist. I'm just saying a man not saying he is a tourist might add to the reasons a young, civilian, non P4P girl hops into bed with the 40+ year old guy she met online, as in Banana Boi's question.

But, really, are many 40+ year old posters here claiming to regularly get totally free sex with hot 20 year old girls they meet online on a regular basis? I suppose I recall being mischaracterized as having made such a claim a few times. But I never did. Some of us will get mischaracterized for what we post now and again. I think in this case I have only read posters making claims closer to the examples I rounded up and down on with certain details in my previous post.

Interesting do we need a Dating site Thread LOL?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2519927]Interesting do we need a Dating site Thread LOL?[/QUOTE]LMAO. "Dating" is a lot more on-topic than what Fauci has to say about Covid. #justsaying.

I have a sister who can spend an hour chatting when she answers a wrong number caller. Face to face I can sell sand to the Arabs but texting or chatting over the airwaves is a skill I sadly find wanting hence my envy of members who charm 20 year olds into meeting online and shagging for free. Fortunately I don't lack options even during shut downs, the benefits I guess of over 20 years residency but I sure wish I could crack this dating app scene where the chicks are free.

I posted a report about Pattaya a few days ago. I pointed out that even though bars and gogos are closed, the dating websites are buzzing. Some people asked how I can know which girls are 'available'. Here's my answer. First, I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want. Second, as soon as they click to show they are interested in me, I message to ask how much for short time. Thirdly, I agree that some lie about their age and their photos are years old. But some I have had have been wonderful. Fourthly, I speak a bit of Thai and reckon that most of the girls I've had have not been full-time hookers or ex-bargirls. I think most have been ordinary working girls who have lost their jobs due to the collapse in tourism and lockdowns and these ordinary girls see doing a couple of sessions with an old, ugly farang like me each week as a convenient way of paying the rent and putting food on the table.

Hope that helps explain the situation here in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2519656]I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?.[/QUOTE]Its because most are freelancers. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. 6+ years ago many "normal" girls used the sites in BKK / CM to meet normal farang expats. Girls in issan used it trying to meet potential foreign husbands that has changed. . BTW there are very, very few hot girls on there (from the Thai perspective). This is coming from a guy who banged a bunch of girls from thailovelinks back in the day. Quality office girls and uni students, not freelancers or even hardcore party girls. But I was 30, lived in Thailand and am not poor either. These days in Pattaya and BKK its mostly freelancers and some $ chasers. In Pattaya its 100% working girls, and a lot of the girls in Issan on it have worked in patts / Phuket at one time or another.

Now if you live here and have a good job, you as a decent looking 40 yo could date a 20 yo. Even upper class Thai girls date guys 10+ years older than them, and its not about money. Thai guys have a reputation for being very immature, so like women everywhere in the world they like a guy who has his shit together. Its not frowned upon to date someone much older, as long as the family thinks he's a good guy. Family approving of him is very important.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2520091]First, I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want.[/QUOTE]The problem is that you assume they have read that, which 99 times out of 100 they have not. You could just as well write blah blah blah and get the same results.
[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2520112]Its because most are freelancers. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. 6+ years ago many "normal" girls used the sites in BKK / CM to meet normal farang expats. Girls in issan used it trying to meet potential foreign husbands that has changed. . These days in Pattaya and BKK its mostly freelancers and some $ chasers. In Pattaya its 100% working girls,[/QUOTE]You say most then you say 100% which means all. Which is it? In my experience it is most. I still meet plenty of non-pro chicks. I am not saying that you should go searching for non-pro chicks because that is the quickest way not to find them. A lot of times chicks on dating sites ask what I am looking for. My answer always goes right over their heads. I am looking for whatever I can find. I keep an open mind and just ride with the wind and meet whoever I meet.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2520091]The dating websites are buzzing. I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want. As soon as they click to show they are interested in me, I message to ask how much for short time. Some lie about their age and their photos are years old. But some I have had have been wonderful. Most have been ordinary working girls who have lost their jobs due to the collapse in tourism and lockdowns and these ordinary girls see doing a couple of sessions with an old, ugly farang like me each week as a convenient way of paying the rent. [/QUOTE]Informative. Helpful. Properly composed in standard written English. Thanks to Mr. 66 for taking the time to post.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2517678]How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived. [/QUOTE]

You should not get your information from random web sites. Nor pass it along. Your "information" is wrong, just like there are some people with HIV who deny that it leads to AIDS. Misinformation can be deadly.

Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.

BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520301]Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.[/QUOTE]I've met girls on the baht bus, a girl who worked in a restaurant I eat at, a hairdesser, lining up for a kebab, helping a girl waddle through thigh high water in a flood, other girls I met through friends (gogo girls do have civilian friends too), etc but mostly by just walking around. If I had a motorbike I'm sure I'd meet girls that way too just chatting with them at traffic lights. No dating site needed. Like Mr. E wisely said, if you seek civilian girls you won't find them. Just go with the flow and they appear when you least expect it. Don't appear to be too desperate or overly interested.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520301]BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.[/QUOTE]

No encounter is entirely free. Payment for a Freebie girl just comes in another form such as feeding them, buying them drinks at a bar or restaurant, buying them a small item they wanted, buying a Barbie Doll for the girl's daughter, paying for their transportation, etc. Feeding them can easily be more expensive than paying for a girl on Soi 6. Thai girls can eat!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2519686]I'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.[/QUOTE]

I don't get this at all. Guess some guys are just extremely lonely, cheap, or don't have much going for them. I don't make up stories to girls. Don't see any need to. Take me the way I am or find another guy. The only thing I lie to girls about is my real name. Girls know I'm not their guy for the Long Game.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520301]
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BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.[/QUOTE]I doubt many if any dating site encounters where you're fucking within an hour or two of first meeting then she thanks you and moves on are free. The absolutely free fuck on a first meeting with a hot 20 year girl by anyone other than the sports, music, movie or tv star she'd been lusting for since grade school has got to be one of the rarest events in the civilized world.

Even if the money is not handed to the girl with, "Thanks for the Short Time" on her way out the door but instead is slipped into their bag with, "Here, let me help you get what your kids (mom, dad, sister, grandma, etc) need," it is still P4P. It is also in keeping with the Thai way of doing these things amongst themselves.

If not money directly, then alcohol, a ride home, a place to crash and sleep and so on or all of the above sometimes works, too. Then we can talk about the scams, tricks and lies about taking care of them, their family, their problems, etc.

I have yet to read a self-decribed "40+" punter here claiming to routinely get this particular kind of dating site exchange as it is typically characterized by other members; "40+ year old man fucking hot 20 year old girls they met online for free."

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520301]BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.[/QUOTE]It seems you missed the sign at the entrance:

"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. "

It says nothing about money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2520332]I doubt many if any dating site encounters where you're fucking within an hour or two of first meeting then she thanks you and moves on are free. [/QUOTE]I typically cultivate my "freebies" for weeks to months in advance of my travels to Thailand. Lots of time in video chat before traveling. They do not turn out to be free, the most expensive sex is free sex. These are potential girlfriends and I'll spend much time with them. They are not hookers, they have normal jobs.

I can only remember one internet girl that I fucked for free the same day I contacted her. The other same day fucks were all paid.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2520326]Thai girls can eat![/QUOTE]Correction: Thai girls can order. And then eat barely 50% of it, LOL.

Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2520380]Correction: Thai girls can order. And then eat barely 50% of it, LOL.[/QUOTE]It depends. If you take them to a fancy restaurant, they will order a lot, post a photo on Facebook and then pick at it.

If you go to a cheap Thai place, they will order a lot, and then, if you give them 3 hours, will eat it all.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520381]Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Joe Bloe will not have such info, but shop regulars could.

Some girls moved to LINE to promote their business, but as I said, you need to either know them or be vetted to be able to contact them.

My last convo with one of the massage girls (working out a condo), I was quoted 2100 THB for 90 minutes and only one SOG.

I laughed and wished the gal good luck.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520381].... but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.[/QUOTE]They are all at home as everywhere is closed. You have to find them on ThaiFriendly, tinder and the other poorer sites and then contact them via Line.

Thai Friendly is pretty dead right now. Maybe I'll try some other sites like Tinder.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520301]Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520381]Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.[/QUOTE]Are you being serious right now? Since you are in Pattaya and hardly anyone else is, would it not make sense for you to be reporting that information?

Pattaya is really quiet right now. Thaifriendly and tinder girls are down as a lot of girls went back to their hometown assuming it will be a long lockdown. Sadly it seems like none of the ladyboys left, so you'll see plenty of them strolling around soi bukhao at night.

During the afternoon taking a drive down soi honey and some other side sois will show "closed" massage shops but with girls sitting out front waiting just like always.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2520326]... The only thing I lie to girls about is my real name. Girls know I'm not their guy for the Long Game.[/QUOTE]When my brother took me to my first brothel 48 years ago the first thing he told me is to never tell them my real name. Since then I have never ever told a hooker my real name. However, I tell every girl I hook up with on a dating site my real name even if she may turn out to be a working girl.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2519982]I have a sister who can spend an hour chatting when she answers a wrong number caller. Face to face I can sell sand to the Arabs but texting or chatting over the airwaves is a skill I sadly find wanting hence my envy of members who charm 20 year olds into meeting online and shagging for free. Fortunately I don't lack options even during shut downs, the benefits I guess of over 20 years residency but I sure wish I could crack this dating app scene where the chicks are free.[/QUOTE]I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2520489]I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.[/QUOTE]I wasn't going to post but got tempted, I've managed to get freebies in Manila and Bali. ,90% thru WeChat. You need to be lucky and the longer you stay in one place the luckier you get.

In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils.

In Bali I had offers about every 3 to 4 weeks and most repeated. I was skeptical at 1st but all worked out good.

Girls ranged between 19 and 30 and a few nice lookers, but don't expect 9 or 10's.

Attached is a screenshot from one of the chats and I did control the recording.

I'm 55 and no George Clooney so it does happen but for me you need to be there for a few months.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2520525]In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils..[/QUOTE]You must have really been horny. I would be extra suspicious of a chick I did not know coming out and offering sex then asking if she could record it on top of that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2520549]You must have really been horny. I would be extra suspicious of a chick I did not know coming out and offering sex then asking if she could record it on top of that.[/QUOTE]That chat extract was from Bali, and within 5 minutes I knew all was good. Many 'good' Muslim girls cannot risk sleeping with local guys in case the family find out so look for foreigners.

In Phils I had a quiet early night the day before so jumped at the chance of an early morning session.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2520489]I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.[/QUOTE]As opposed to the hot 500 baht chicks some seem to find.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2520585]As opposed to the hot 500 baht chicks some seem to find.[/QUOTE]I find plenty of 500 baht hot chicks, I just need to spend 2,000 baht for my beer goggles first to make them seem hot.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2520559]That chat extract was from Bali, and within 5 minutes I knew all was good. Many 'good' Muslim girls cannot risk sleeping with local guys in case the family find out so look for foreigners.[/QUOTE]Not many Muslim girls in Bali, good or not. 82% of the populatiion are Hindu.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2520489]I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.[/QUOTE]No sorry it's true. Old guys get laid for free by chatting up beautiful 20 year olds on dating sites. I seen it online.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2520525]I wasn't going to post but got tempted, I've managed to get freebies in Manila and Bali. ,90% thru WeChat. You need to be lucky and the longer you stay in one place the luckier you get.

In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils.

In Bali I had offers about every 3 to 4 weeks and most repeated. I was skeptical at 1st but all worked out good.

Girls ranged between 19 and 30 and a few nice lookers, but don't expect 9 or 10's.

Attached is a screenshot from one of the chats and I did control the recording.

I'm 55 and no George Clooney so it does happen but for me you need to be there for a few months.[/QUOTE]The record would put me off. Is she up to blackmail?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2520408]Are you being serious right now? Since you are in Pattaya and hardly anyone else is, would it not make sense for you to be reporting that information?[/QUOTE]I am in quarantine at the moment.

I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520881]I am in quarantine at the moment.

I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.[/QUOTE]Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2520699]The record would put me off. Is she up to blackmail?[/QUOTE]As I said, I controlled the recording and my face was never on it, but truly I'm more surprised she was ok with recording as she had a lot more to lose than me. I knew within minutes all was good, her mom texted her 5 times asking where she was and what time she would be home.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2520674]Not many Muslim girls in Bali, good or not. 82% of the populatiion are Hindu.[/QUOTE]Actually, its standard practice for good girls from Jakarta or Surabaya to let their hair down when they arrive and are away from judging eyes. As travel restrictions have allowed, 99% of tourists are now locals. I'd agree that the vast majority of workers are Balinese but there is also a significant number of Javanese etc who came over looking for work. Of course, this has been heavily impacted but the virus.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2519686]I'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.[/QUOTE]Yes, and most women lie, lie, lie also. The biggest lie of all "I love you". If you don't believe me I suggest you read the Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar. Possibly the most informative book written by a woman and a real eye opener. This should be compulsory reading for all boys, before they enter the sexual market.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;2520957]The biggest lie of all "I love you".[/QUOTE]I've received many "I love you" comments on 2nd dates from Isaan women. That phrase means "I'll stay with you and fuck your brains out as long as you take care of me and give money to my family." I've even heard it on video chat before I've met her face to face. Don't worry about it when you hear it.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2520968]I've received many "I love you" comments on 2nd dates from Isaan women. That phrase means "I'll stay with you and fuck your brains out as long as you take care of me and give money to my family." I've even heard it on video chat before I've met her face to face. Don't worry about it when you hear it.[/QUOTE]The various "I Love You!" stickers on Line work best with Thai girls and are faster to send. My best results (and theirs) seem to be with the ones featuring Mickey and Minnie Mouse, Cony and Snoopy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2520901]Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the reason why I will not come at this time.

I gathered all the papers (Visa O-A, COE, etc.) and I was even ready to endure the quarantine. But at least to live in Pattaya before this 2nd confinement. There were no tourists but a few bars, massage parlors and gogos open. Again everything is closed. As you say.

But if it's to use only Thaifriendly no thanks. It's not even Pattaya's shadow to me. For me there is absolutely no interest in making such a trip under such conditions. Of course, if I was a stuck expat I would do it like everyone else.

I canceled everything last week: flight, hotel and COE. I prefer to wait. Maybe 1, 2 or 3 months. I've been waiting for 1 year, I can still wait a few months. By then there may be a vaccine for me and a health passport to avoid quarantine. We can always dream.

I hope the people there will let us know when life starts again.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2520881]I am in quarantine at the moment.

I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.[/QUOTE]I wish there were special threads for freebie reports. I would not read them. Anytime I read a report and the poster starts to write about meeting a freebie I stop reading; they're all fantasies and totally worthless. Serial freebie reporters are crap and I totally ignore them. Now p4p reports interest me because I have a chance of actually meeting those girls.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2521159]This is exactly the reason why I will not come at this time.

I gathered all the papers (Visa O-A, COE, etc.) and I was even ready to endure the quarantine. But at least to live in Pattaya before this 2nd confinement. There were no tourists but a few bars, massage parlors and gogos open. Again everything is closed. As you say.

But if it's to use only Thaifriendly no thanks. It's not even Pattaya's shadow to me. For me there is absolutely no interest in making such a trip under such conditions. Of course, if I was a stuck expat I would do it like everyone else.

I canceled everything last week: flight, hotel and COE. I prefer to wait. Maybe 1, 2 or 3 months. I've been waiting for 1 year, I can still wait a few months. By then there may be a vaccine for me and a health passport to avoid quarantine. We can always dream. I hope the people there will let us know when life starts again.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, for the most part. I too will be vaccinated this year, eventually. But I doubt if a vaccination certificate and health passport (whatever that might be) will avoid travel quarantine requirement for Thailand anytime soon. Certainly, I would not see the authorities accepting vaccination as an alternative to quarantine for a long time unless the evidence is clear from first responder countries like Israel, UK and others who are enthusiastically grasping the vaccine rollout. There are just too many clinical unknowns, even among the so-called experts. Other countries with low vaccination uptake rates (for whatever reason) will only muddy the waters further.

I too have been waiting a year to get back to Thailand and have already cancelled 2 trips in that time. All along I've been watching and hoping for some positives. I even said to myself I would endure the Quarantine and Visa / COE dances and hoops, to spend some time there. But then the problem accelerated again and the inevitable happened on the ground in Thailand. I see no point in spending time in a locked down Thailand. Start / stop lockdowns make it impossible to plan.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2520901]Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.[/QUOTE]I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.

My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.

My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.[/QUOTE]Grocery stores. Eyeglass shops. Banks. Offices. Walk the Beach. 7-11.

Get out in Public. My girl say just No customers even though they are still making themselves available.

There's a high superstar at Rainbow who say her way of dealing with Stress is to go Shopping. Haha.

Right on her FB page.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.

My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.[/QUOTE]That's news to me and I live here. I didn't realize that the recent order banning all but essential inter-provincial travel was such a good sign.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.[/QUOTE]Okay. If you have not snagged one in a couple more days, your best bet will be going to Isan.

"Foreign sponsors or back to Isan only options for many Pattaya bargirls"

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/foreign-sponsors-or-back-to-isan-only-options-for-many-pattaya-bargirls-340169[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2521374]Okay. If you have not snagged one in a couple more days, your best bet will be going to Isan.

"Foreign sponsors or back to Isan only options for many Pattaya bargirls"

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/foreign-sponsors-or-back-to-isan-only-options-for-many-pattaya-bargirls-340169[/URL][/QUOTE]I've got a crazy suggestion.

How about walk down the street and actually talk to some of the passing girls or those running the mentioned cholera carts? Maybe a girl will talk back and strike up a conversation.

Boy meets girl. Girl says "Hi". Boy asks "Suck my dick?" Girl says "Sure". Its a romantic tale that's been happening for millennia. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.[/QUOTE]Why not meet up with some of the guys who are in Pattaya at this time? If the guy thinks you're ok then he will set you up with some of his girls. Monkeypaw is in town and he will meet up with everyone. His list of active available Pattaya contacts is likely longer than anyone else on this board except for maybe Mr. E. Send MP a PM.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]I am in Pattaya,.... how to find ladies without using online services.[/QUOTE]That got a good chuckle out of me.

Take a long stroll through Pattaya streets, linger a bit and you will be approached by working ladies. Hiding in their closed shop, being discreet, or just walking about to find punters.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2521389]I've got a crazy suggestion.

How about walk down the street and actually talk to some of the passing girls or those running the mentioned cholera carts? Maybe a girl will talk back and strike up a conversation.

Boy meets girl. Girl says "Hi". Boy asks "Suck my dick?" Girl says "Sure". Its a romantic tale that's been happening for millennia. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]As romantic as Paul Anka's song - 𝄞 Put your leg on my shoulder ♬.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvxagNIBVLU[/URL]

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2521247]But I doubt if a vaccination certificate and health passport (whatever that might be) will avoid travel quarantine requirement for Thailand anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Yes for now all we can do is wait and see

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1201327-tourism-chiefs-call-for-foreigners-vaccinated-against-covid-19-to-be-allowed-to-enter-thailand/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2521257]My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. [/QUOTE]Take a walkdown soi honey in the afternoon multiple massage shops have girls hanging out in front. Technically the shop is closed but its actually open. If you are worried they will go to your room also. Got to walk / drive around a bit and you will see other "closed" shops with girls out front.

Talk to girls, there are plenty around the soi bukhao area around dinner time, they are all working girls or once were. Don't be shy, worst case girl has a BF and says no thanks when you ask for her Line ID. Once you do meet these girls ask if you know of anywhere open. I heard rumor of a bar with freelancers and shisha that's open somewhere but I have no interest in sitting in a smoky room so didn't follow up.

Thailand is difficult to get into. And Pattaya is in lockdown with all entertainment places closed till end January at least. But dating sites are doing great business. I'm in my third week out of quarantine and am working my way through the 40 or so girls on one dating website who nave contacted me offering 'short time'. My observation is that those over 27 or 28 tend to lie about their age and use photos from several years ago. But those between 18 and say 25 have no need to lie and mostly use recent photos.

My other observation for what it's worth is that Covid-19 is going to wreck the gogo bar business. After all, if you can get a cutie from a dating website for 1,000 to 1,500 baht, who will want to pay for lady drinks and barfines? Moreover, one lovely 24-year-old I just had told me she could get 5 customers a day from dating websites. So there's no need for girls like her to hang around Beach Road for hours or work in gogos or Soi 6 till 2 or 3 in the morning.

But maybe after Covid-19 has passed a mass invasion of Chinese and Indian gentlemen will save the gogo bar business? Who knows?

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2522109]My other observation for what it's worth is that Covid-19 is going to wreck the gogo bar business. After all, if you can get a cutie from a dating website for 1,000 to 1,500 baht, who will want to pay for lady drinks and barfines? Moreover, one lovely 24-year-old I just had told me she could get 5 customers a day from dating websites. So there's no need for girls like her to hang around Beach Road for hours or work in gogos or Soi 6 till 2 or 3 in the morning.[/QUOTE]I agree the gogo business will not be as good in the future. But there will always be people that want to go someplace at night. I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel room at night every night. I also prefer to interact with my girls as part of the selection process. On my last trip which was 6 weeks in duration, I went to gogos 5 times per week. I only barfined about 4-5 times total from a gogo which is an all time low for me. I used to barfine 4-5 times per week from gogos. It has become too costly for me and for most people with a budget. There will always be gogos but I think we'll see far fewer in number unless they can reinvent themselves into something that costs less. Covid will definitely eliminate a lot of them.

[QUOTE=Allover;2522230]I agree the gogo business will not be as good in the future. But there will always be people that want to go someplace at night. I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel room at night every night. I also prefer to interact with my girls as part of the selection process. On my last trip which was 6 weeks in duration, I went to gogos 5 times per week. I only barfined about 4-5 times total from a gogo which is an all time low for me. I used to barfine 4-5 times per week from gogos. It has become too costly for me and for most people with a budget. There will always be gogos but I think we'll see far fewer in number unless they can reinvent themselves into something that costs less. Covid will definitely eliminate a lot of them.[/QUOTE]I keep track of my agogo attendance. 2 AgogoS per night every night equals 60 potential visits a month.

Month after month I hit 95% visitation rate.

Out of 60 I actually have 57 sittings. LOL.

Why do you think agogo won't be the same. Covid goes We come back.

Maybe govt will be Friendlier and Adult scene can be like 1999. Maybe not so on this one.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2522370]I keep track of my agogo attendance. 2 AgogoS per night every night equals 60 potential visits a month.

Month after month I hit 95% visitation rate.

Out of 60 I actually have 57 sittings. LOL.

Why do you think agogo won't be the same. Covid goes We come back.

Maybe govt will be Friendlier and Adult scene can be like 1999. Maybe not so on this one.[/QUOTE]Internet websites will continue to offer girls at much lower prices which means less barfines for bar owners. Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online. Gogos will continue to exist because guys will still want to go out at night but they won't be the same. In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.

I'm just speculating, but maybe women will work at gogo bars bc they like hanging out with their friends drinking. It didn't seem to me most women most were about getting as much money as they could. Many might prefer lady drinks and some groping over sex with several strangers in a day.

[QUOTE=Allover;2522547]Internet websites will continue to offer girls at much lower prices which means less barfines for bar owners. Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online. Gogos will continue to exist because guys will still want to go out at night but they won't be the same. In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2522646]I'm just speculating, but maybe women will work at gogo bars bc they like hanging out with their friends drinking. It didn't seem to me most women most were about getting as much money as they could. Many might prefer lady drinks and some groping over sex with several strangers in a day.[/QUOTE]Very astute.

Way too many girls are partying like it's 1999 in their Bars.

Some Party a little. Others hardly at all.

Funny thing is at the Rainbows you never see one in a Drunken stupor.

P.S. It may be different at the end of a shift.

[QUOTE=Allover;2522547]Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree, The Thai lady of the night is not a lone wolf, she prefers the comfort and security of the pack / environment.

She may offer herself online but much prefers company and fun rather than the cold and unsuccessful messaging apps.

Also, most these girls come from upcountry so to them, the bar or massage scene is a proven, successful model.

Gogo bars will be just fine when the Japanese and Koreans return. They're the driving force behind the Pattaya gogo scene. Other than Sapphire, Windmill, and maybe Kink and Skyfall the Farang gogo bars didn't do very well even pre-COVID.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2521767]Take a walkdown soi honey in the afternoon multiple massage shops have girls hanging out in front. Technically the shop is closed but its actually open. If you are worried they will go to your room also. Got to walk / drive around a bit and you will see other "closed" shops with girls out front.[/QUOTE]You mean like this one?

"A Pattaya massage shop was raided and 7 women were arrested for allegedly violating the Emergency Decree and disease control measures ordering the certain nonessential businesses to close. Police say the shop was "pretending" to be closed by pulling the shutter partly down and keeping the lights off. "

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/pattaya-massage-shop-raided-for-allegedly-violating-closure-order?amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=Allover;2522547]... In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.[/QUOTE]In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2522786]You mean like this one?

"A Pattaya massage shop was raided and 7 women were arrested for allegedly violating the Emergency Decree and disease control measures ordering the certain nonessential businesses to close. Police say the shop was "pretending" to be closed by pulling the shutter partly down and keeping the lights off. "

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/pattaya-massage-shop-raided-for-allegedly-violating-closure-order?amp[/URL][/QUOTE]You wouldn't catch me in one of those shops illegally open. If I saw a girl I liked I would call her to the street and go to my place.

The Soi 6 bars have now moved their Live feeds to their scummy rooms.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2522791]In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.[/QUOTE]No it won't. They will get the same American, Korean, Chinese, and weekend monger crowd they were always getting. GoGo / strip club game don't change regardless of what continent one lives in. Just because it's not one persons thing don't mean one can speak for anyone else.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2522953]You wouldn't catch me in one of those shops illegally open. If I saw a girl I liked I would call her to the street and go to my place.

The Soi 6 bars have now moved their Live feeds to their scummy rooms.[/QUOTE]My friend who lives in Pattaya told me many bars in Soi 6 are closed but they open just for you if you want fuck a lady. Few ladies work, but the bars are closed! They open the bar just for you and then you go directly to the room. Or if you prefer, the lady go to your room directly!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2522791]In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.[/QUOTE]Koreans and Japanese don't need to grope girls in the gogo bars. Unlike Farang who feel the need to grab as much tits and ass as they can for their single lady drink, Asians will just sit on their hands and continually buy drinks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2523374]Koreans and Japanese don't need to grope girls in the gogo bars. Unlike Farang who feel the need to grab as much tits and ass as they can for their single lady drink, Asians will just sit on their hands and continually buy drinks.[/QUOTE]And that's why it was two separate scenes in days of yore. IMHO, when the scene switched to being more Asian oriented it ceased to be fun and became poor value for money. That's when I stopped my GoGo patronage.

And yes, I do expect to grope and feel for the cost of a drink!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2523398]And that's why it was two separate scenes in days of yore. IMHO, when the scene switched to being more Asian oriented it ceased to be fun and became poor value for money. That's when I stopped my GoGo patronage.

And yes, I do expect to grope and feel for the cost of a drink![/QUOTE]Not from what I've seen. Get those guys liquored up and they lose their inhibitions and let go. That's why it used to be between Black / White or Japanese / Koreans in those bars, women would tend to flock towards the Asians even though they were excessively feely, they dropped more cash.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2523406]Not from what I've seen. Get those guys liquored up and they lose their inhibitions and let go. That's why it used to be between Black / White or Japanese / Koreans in those bars, women would tend to flock towards the Asians even though they were excessively feely, they dropped more cash.[/QUOTE]I've not seen that behavior often.

20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2523456]I've not seen that behavior often.

20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference in the way a Japanese acts at "home" in Japan and when abroad. When abroad, they will lose their inhibitions and do what you wouldn't expect. I've seen them in the But me drink bars from Honolulu to Singapore and when they are there and liquored up, they are a different person. I once walked into a bar in Singapore and there were only 3 customers, me and 2 Japanese dudes. Guess which one table had all the women sitting around with drinks flowing and a lot of touchy feely going on.

Even more so, here in Japan they have plenty of places where us non-Japanese can't enter, even if you speak the language. I was escorted into one that did allow strangers and as you would expect, the typical salaryman was wild with abandon, and this was in what was called a "BJ" bar where the hostesses would walk from table to table with offers of drinks, a squeeze on the tits and a BJ if the price is right.

I thought some readers might find this useful. I am in my fourth week out of quarantine here in Pattaya and am using one of the main dating sites for the first time as all the bars and gogos are closed and Beach Road is deserted. Even though I am overweight, balding, ugly and in my mid-60's, I have over 60 girls / women who have contacted me offering to do short time for prices between 1,000 and 1,500 baht. Some of those contacting me haven't been too attractive and many have lied about their age and used photos from several years ago. But some of those girls aged 18 to 25 have been wonderful.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2523763]I thought some readers might find this useful. I am in my fourth week out of quarantine here in Pattaya and am using one of the main dating sites for the first time as all the bars and gogos are closed and Beach Road is deserted. Even though I am overweight, balding, ugly and in my mid-60's, I have over 60 girls / women who have contacted me offering to do short time for prices between 1,000 and 1,500 baht. Some of those contacting me haven't been too attractive and many have lied about their age and used photos from several years ago. But some of those girls aged 18 to 25 have been wonderful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Which dating site are you using?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2523456]I've not seen that behavior often.

20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.[/QUOTE]You will find Japanese in most of the Go-Go's in Bangkok; Soi Cowboy especially. In fact, Baccara on Soi Cowboy is almost all Japanese at some times. I imagine Bangkok is popular if they are in town for "business", LOL. Just my input.

I've found that TF seems to be the best.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2523456]I've not seen that behavior often.

20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.[/QUOTE]Japanese dudes don't get drunk. Pay well and are polite.

Why you think they are Preferred Status customers.

Farang also pay but lacking in the other two categories I mentioned.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2523456]I've not seen that behavior often.

20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.[/QUOTE]They don't even allow that behavior in Soi Thaniya clubs. One can touch but with limits so I think your observation is right.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2524154]You will find Japanese in most of the Go-Go's in Bangkok; Soi Cowboy especially. In fact, Baccara on Soi Cowboy is almost all Japanese at some times. I imagine Bangkok is popular if they are in town for "business", LOL. Just my input.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot is talking about 20 year ago, not now.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2523763]I thought some readers might find this useful. I am in my fourth week out of quarantine here in Pattaya and am using one of the main dating sites for the first time as all the bars and gogos are closed and Beach Road is deserted. Even though I am overweight, balding, ugly and in my mid-60's, I have over 60 girls / women who have contacted me offering to do short time for prices between 1,000 and 1,500 baht. Some of those contacting me haven't been too attractive and many have lied about their age and used photos from several years ago. But some of those girls aged 18 to 25 have been wonderful.[/QUOTE]Which dating websites are you using, thai friendly? Are the postings in english or Thai?

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2524761]Not sure where this conversation belongs but was curious about what it takes to move to Thailand for a couple of months. Explorer8939 and others who have done this, are you able to share the process that you went through and any suggestions. (If this has already been covered here, my apologies.).[/QUOTE]This would be better posted to General rather than Pattaya. In the time of covid there are numerous challenging steps. Rather than try to cover them all follow this link and you will see most of the required topics at least mentioned. With research you could find all details on that website.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1202386-visa-exempt-from-usa-currently-not-possible/?utm_source=newsletter-20210121-0548&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2524787]Don't forget smaller dick size and that they want girls to get on top bop up and down for a few minutes until they finish. Farang want full GFE. Plain and simple its more money for less work / effort.[/QUOTE]No argument from me.

One thing that turns off Girls is a guy wanting GFE from the get go. If it happens it happens. It's more of a Chemistry thing.

I've paid 3000 baht and knew from first Hello, it wasn't going to happen.

Other times you think oops picked the wrong one and was highly dumbfounded- wow, that was worth the 3000 baht.

Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.

1. Mtwapa (2 visit).

Meet girls online, beach, on the street everyway also girlie pickup bars food is so cheap here.

The dollars is strong here.

2 kampala (1 visit).

Meet girls on line some great clubs where you can meet non working girls also they have girlie.

Pickup bars cheapest place to drink beer that I've been the dollars is very strong here the best value for.

A all night visit.

3 nairobi (3 visit).

Meet girls one line a lot of clubs to meet normal girls and oh course black diamond to meet working girl.

K1 is a good place to meet women also pro and non pro since its a big city kinda expensive.

4 cebu (10 visit).

Really focus on the dating sites so many women also can meet at the mall some girlie go go.

Bars but a waste of time. Also they have some nice disco to go but be carefull of the lady boys.

It s easy to get around cebu the the air con taxi are very cheap for a western the dollars is ok here.

5 angeles city (15 visit).

If I was in my 30 or 40 it may be at the top of my list around 100 girlie go go bars you pick a girl on the stage.

Agree on the terms off you go 20 years ago good value now the price and gone up so much.

Also a lot of expats live in angles so whatever country you are from you can find someone from your country.

6 montego bay jamacia (6 visits).

Meet girls on line a couple of good clubs you can meet non pro girls also you can meet some girls at he beach.

Its close to the states so I never have jet lag can hit the ground running only place I don't drink beer the rum is.

Good and cheap I don't really like the beer red stripe also the dollars is very strong here hotels are over priced.

7 pattaya (2 visits).

So many bars and massage parlors like being a kid in a candy store the best value is soi 6 the cheapest place.

To get a nice clean hotel in my travels the only english the thai women know is shorttimes ehheheh the price of.

Enterainment is high for short time nice to see the girls in the bar dancing in the nude the dollars value not to good.

8 Bangkok (2 visit) it s ok for a short time to visit a lot of streetwalkers some nice girlie go go bars but to many lady.

Boys Nana plaza is ok and soi cowboy is ok dollars is very weak here.

9 manila (10 visit) if you like big crowded cities whit awful tracffic its the place for you.

Meet girls at the mall and online or go to la cafe a huge pickup place.

On my list of place to go is Bali and the unkraine and south africa.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2524787]Don't forget smaller dick size and that they want girls to get on top bop up and down for a few minutes until they finish. Farang want full GFE. Plain and simple its more money for less work / effort.[/QUOTE]Here we go again with Stupidity! Even in Covid times! Proceed to the Big Dick Last longer Thread and post your trophy.

[QUOTE=Pcdilwj;2524893]Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.
[/QUOTE]

Why are you posting the exact same thing it multiple places? Sure, it's a list of all the places you've been that have any mongering worth a mention, but not especially relevant to either Bangkok or Pattaya nor insightful.

Not much going on.

[QUOTE=Pcdilwj;2524893]Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.[/QUOTE]Interesting list. I've never visited Africa or Ukraine but would like to go there. If I were to make up a list, safety would be a consideration. I have never felt unsafe in Thailand or most of Asia for that matter. Manila alone at night is sketchy in many areas. If 7-11's need armed guards, I question an area's safety. What about places like Mtwapa? I saw a youtube video about Mtwapa by a guy named Marwa who mentioned Mtwapa is dangerous.

[QUOTE=Allover;2525129]If 7-11's need armed guards, I question an area's safety. [/QUOTE]It may not be that they need armed guards, but people need jobs, so they may be required to have a guard.

In some buildings in Brazil they have someone inside the elevator to push the buttons. Do they seriously NEED someone in there doing that?

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2522109]Thailand is difficult to get into. And Pattaya is in lockdown with all entertainment places closed till end January at least. But dating sites are doing great business. I'm in my third week out of quarantine and am working my way through the 40 or so girls on one dating website who nave contacted me offering 'short time'. My observation is that those over 27 or 28 tend to lie about their age and use photos from several years ago. But those between 18 and say 25 have no need to lie and mostly use recent photos.

My other observation for what it's worth is that Covid-19 is going to wreck the gogo bar business. After all, if you can get a cutie from a dating website for 1,000 to 1,500 baht, who will want to pay for lady drinks and barfines? Moreover, one lovely 24-year-old I just had told me she could get 5 customers a day from dating websites. So there's no need for girls like her to hang around Beach Road for hours or work in gogos or Soi 6 till 2 or 3 in the morning.

But maybe after Covid-19 has passed a mass invasion of Chinese and Indian gentlemen will save the gogo bar business? Who knows?[/QUOTE]I've had countless 18-25 yos from dating sites come over and be 10 years older, way fatter, or even not the same girl. I only look in the 18-25 range as do many mongers. Girls figured this out and realize when they put younger ages they get more attention. Also nearly every girl is using the best possible pictures and rarely looks as good in person. I use online but its way better to be able to see a girl in person.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2525033]Not much going on.[/QUOTE]Presume this is a joke? Not much going on. Dating websites never been so busy. Girls willing to come round for 1000 baht. Weather perfect. No lockdown. Just bars closed. Love it here.

I'm in my fifth week out of quarantine and simply cannot cope with all the girls offering me short time on a well-known dating website. After a few disastrous mistakes, I have now found about 8 to 10 beautiful cuties and simply can't find the time and energy to serve them all. After all, I am in my mid-60's and now quite the young stag I used to be. So, although all the bars and gogos are closed till probably the beginning of February, there is still plenty of pleasure to be found, at very reasonable prices (1,000 to 1,500 baht), if you know where to look for it.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2524827]No argument from me.

One thing that turns off Girls is a guy wanting GFE from the get go. If it happens it happens. It's more of a Chemistry thing.

I've paid 3000 baht and knew from first Hello, it wasn't going to happen.

Other times you think oops picked the wrong one and was highly dumbfounded- wow, that was worth the 3000 baht.[/QUOTE]For me GFE is not something I can demand, it is something I must earn. Fake GFE does nothing for me. Also PSE does nothing for me, shouting and screaming during sex is a turn off. I rather a girl whimper with delight than shout "Yes baby!! Fuck me baby!!".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2525446] <snip> shouting and screaming during sex is a turn off. I rather a girl whimper with delight than shout "Yes baby!! Fuck me baby!!".[/QUOTE]Yeah, I can do without the vocals. The girls most guilty of "oh baby," "fuck me baby," "Oh fuck" are lovely little Filipinas. I guess is the fault of having a common language. I do not get the the vocals near as much with Thai, Indo, Viet and Chinese girls and most Filipinas are quiet, but 1 out of 10 is a pretty big number compared to other girls. Oh well, Filipinas are great at GFE. I still love them.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2524999]Why are you posting the exact same thing it multiple places? Sure, it's a list of all the places you've been that have any mongering worth a mention, but not especially relevant to either Bangkok or Pattaya nor insightful.[/QUOTE]Well its just observation some people have thank me for posting and I beg to disagree I think its very insightful heheheeh hlol.

Hate fake moaning and dirty talk. Just as bad are the squeals you get from Japanese girls. Picked up a few hot girls in Japan last Summer only to be very disappointed in the room with their Minnie Mouse squealing. Japanese men do have some weird preferences if this is what the girls have been conditioned to do.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2525462]Yeah, I can do without the vocals. The girls most guilty of "oh baby," "fuck me baby," "Oh fuck" are lovely little Filipinas. I guess is the fault of having a common language. I do not get the the vocals near as much with Thai, Indo, Viet and Chinese girls and most Filipinas are quiet, but 1 out of 10 is a pretty big number compared to other girls. Oh well, Filipinas are great at GFE. I still love them.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with language. It has everything to do with watching porno movies and mimicking. The same as men wanting to do this that and the other simply because they see it in the same pornos. The porno actors have to get into all kinds of uncomfortable positions so the camera can see. Real people have no need for that, but because they saw it on the film it seems like a good thing to try.

There is some story about a lady always cooking a bird in a pan that seemed too small to fit the bird. The daughter asked her mom why she uses a pan like that. She said that is the way her mother did it. So the girl asked the grandmother why use such a small pan for such a big bird. The grandmother said because she could not afford a bigger pan. So the lady was only mimicking what she saw her mom doing not knowing the real reason for it.

Same with everybody starting to shave their pubes since that was seen in porno movies. Everybody wanting to cum in a chick's mouth or on her face because that is what they saw. Everybody wanting to watch lesbians get it on because that is what they saw. The list goes on.

In a real movie you have all types of sound from things going on from A to Z: doors creaking, trucks driving by. This shit keeps our attention and keeps us tuned in. Turn down the sound to a porno movie and watch how fast you fall asleep. They gotta make sounds and say shit to keep some kind of interest in the show. Fucking is just an ordinary bodily function. Without the oooh ahhh give it to me daddy it would just be like watching somebody sitting there breathing or on the toilet taking a shit.

As BB alluded to, Japanese chicks make the noises that are heard in Japanese pornos. Brazilians make the noises heard in Brazilian pornos. But this is mainly a hooker thing. I rarely find non-hookers doing this shit in any culture.

[QUOTE=Prattaya66;2525425]I'm in my fifth week out of quarantine and simply cannot cope with all the girls offering me short time on a well-known dating website. After a few disastrous mistakes, I have now found about 8 to 10 beautiful cuties and simply can't find the time and energy to serve them all. After all, I am in my mid-60's and now quite the young stag I used to be. So, although all the bars and gogos are closed till probably the beginning of February, there is still plenty of pleasure to be found, at very reasonable prices (1,000 to 1,500 baht), if you know where to look for it.[/QUOTE]You looking in the wrong places. There are 500 baht girls but you really really really need to know where to look.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2525486]Hate fake moaning and dirty talk. Just as bad are the squeals you get from Japanese girls. Picked up a few hot girls in Japan last Summer only to be very disappointed in the room with their Minnie Mouse squealing. Japanese men do have some weird preferences if this is what the girls have been conditioned to do.[/QUOTE]The gratuitous high octave theatrical moaning is as suggested by many a turn off but personally I admit to being fond of a little audio especially while giving head. Trying to differentiate what is just a part of her routine from a genuine sensual feeling umm who who's but when it's accompanied by some subtle but pronounced physical movement of her legs and hips I content myself with, I still got it, she really likes it. I know sad old fart.

Minnie Mouse squealing or not I love Japanese girls.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2525580]So Biden is opening up the USA. As many predicted would happen.

All Political.

Is Thailand on the verge of Opening up. LOL. Starting to get worried about my $25,000 on deposit at Bangkok Bank.

One year no activity.

Maybe they think I Die and take my money.[/QUOTE]They won't take your money but some banks start charging a nominal maintenance fee for inactive accounts. Best check with your bank.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2525579]You looking in the wrong places. There are 500 baht girls but you really really really need to know where to look.[/QUOTE]Tell us the secret. Where to look?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2525897]They won't take your money but some banks start charging a nominal maintenance fee for inactive accounts. Best check with your bank.[/QUOTE]And send a few baht to a worthy gal, opps, cause.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2525580]So Biden is opening up the USA. As many predicted would happen.

All Political.

Is Thailand on the verge of Opening up. LOL. Starting to get worried about my $25,000 on deposit at Bangkok Bank.

One year no activity.

Maybe they think I Die and take my money.[/QUOTE]You can easily use Transferwise and put in a few thousand baht to have some peace of mind.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2526044]You can easily use Transferwise and put in a few thousand baht to have some peace of mind.[/QUOTE]I had BKK bank close my account but just a few thou in there. After 6 months no use, when I went round to complain I got no satisfaction. They all couldn't understand me.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2525646]The gratuitous high octave theatrical moaning is as suggested by many a turn off but personally I admit to being fond of a little audio especially while giving head. Trying to differentiate what is just a part of her routine from a genuine sensual feeling umm who who's but when it's accompanied by some subtle but pronounced physical movement of her legs and hips I content myself with, I still got it, she really likes it. I know sad old fart.

Minnie Mouse squealing or not I love Japanese girls.[/QUOTE]Only once in my life so far have I ever got a screamer while she received head. I was a twenty something year old in a rental apartment. She was a non pro I picked up in a club. When we got to my place she specifically requested DATY which I obliged. She screamed so loud that the landlady and her daughters who lived in the same building refused to ever speak with me afterwards. Fellow male tenants gave me high fives.
I have not done DATY since getting back in March; don't trust these hookers.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2525580]So Biden is opening up the USA. As many predicted would happen.

All Political.

Is Thailand on the verge of Opening up. LOL. Starting to get worried about my $25,000 on deposit at Bangkok Bank.

One year no activity.

Maybe they think I Die and take my money.[/QUOTE]From "Pattaya One News" this morning: "Tourists are expected to soon start flocking back to Pattaya amid a far brighter Covid-19 outlook and with the mandatory 14-day quarantine no longer being enforced. The association president added that the province's lifting of the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for visitors to Pattaya offered some hope to the tourism sector.

Businesses in Pattaya and the local office of the Tourism Authority of Thailand were working together to promote the city's tourism, especially during the Songkran Festival in April this year when the pandemic is expected to significantly recede, he said.

Pattaya would also be re- branded with a focus on daytime activities, said Mr Phisut.

Meanwhile, Chon Buri governor Pakarathorn Thianchai said he had informed the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) of the province's recent zero case status.

Therefore, the easing of re- strictions in Chon Buri can be expected soon, he said. ".

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2526094]From "Pattaya One News" this morning: "Tourists are expected to soon start flocking back to Pattaya amid a far brighter Covid-19 outlook and with the mandatory 14-day quarantine no longer being enforced. The association president added that the province's lifting of the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for visitors to Pattaya offered some hope to the tourism sector.[/QUOTE]I wonder what they mean by soon. But this is a fluff piece with no foundation. I have seen nothing from the government that there will be any easing of the entry requirements any time soon, quarantine will continue and vaccinations probably won't start before the second half of the year. I would like to see some sign that I could return this year but I don't see one so far.

Until you see it in print and announced it officially I wouldn't read too much into it! Three days ago it was reported by a leading Thai researcher that it is too early to allow those into Thailand even if they had the vaccine since there isn't enough data yet which I agree to early Thailand likes to follow as soon as reports start to come out from the outside the vaccine is starting to work and the numbers are reducing it might happen when is anyone guesses? But it was still suggested that the 14-day quarantine still be required.

This article is nothing official just an opinion and suggestion from someone in charge of the TAT, who is suggesting that they allow anyone in that has a vaccine passport it would help with the tourist arriving and help save the economy. These guys who get up daily and make a statement have no actual power to make the decision final but in this case, I'm at least glad it was brought up. Even if it is accepted the suggestion points toward the 3rd quarter of this year which will make it just before the high season? It is anyone's guess some officials think it can be done by Songkran?

They have approved the AstraZ, particularly for private hospitals to purchase on their own based on everything my feeling is if a vaccine passport is approved in Thailand it would be that vaccine since the K--g company will be producing it.

As for Chon Buri and Pattaya there is a report that he is easing the restriction and as early as Saturday bars etc should be allowed to open but restriction still in place restaurant will be allowed to open until 11 pm same with bars? If true not much fun if you got to stop drinking and eating by 11 pm. Today on the Darkside I noticed all the massage shops were opened cleaning getting ready for their customers same for the gyms and martial arts studios. It is all a crap shoot?

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2526077]I had BKK bank close my account but just a few thou in there. After 6 months no use, when I went round to complain I got no satisfaction. They all couldn't understand me.[/QUOTE]My suggestion to Danny Duck was to use Transferwise to keep his account active, actually not sure if he is just joking but from what he has written in the past he doesn't have just a few thousand but has 800,000 baht being held use for Immigration Extension? He can also sign up online to monitor his account?

From my own experience, I have a number of Bangkok Bank accounts my original book once has a few million since I've open other accounts and had money from the original put into other accounts. A few years back I had even forgotten I had this account it only had 2-3 thousand baht prior I never saw them take anything out for service charge? One day while updating my other books using the machine outside the bank after the update I noticed interest thereafter a tax on that interest followed by a 250 baht charge was taken out each month for service charge until they couldn't take 250 any longer thereafter it was 50 baht until it was zero. I believe some point back they decided if it dropped to a particular level they would start charging, to be honest, I noticed this only to be for foreigners.

I have one other book it has been sitting at 5000 baht for a year I've not noticed any deduction for maintenance yet it was just updated and got taxed on the interest. I ask my wife and son with their books you get any tax taken out for your interest when I look NO!

I think with the amount of DD account it won't be closed but I did offer if he was scared he was going to lose it give me a PM?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2526094]From "Pattaya One News" this morning: "Tourists are expected to soon start flocking back to Pattaya amid a far brighter Covid-19 outlook and with the mandatory 14-day quarantine no longer being enforced. The association president added that the province's lifting of the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for visitors to Pattaya offered some hope to the tourism sector.

Businesses in Pattaya and the local office of the Tourism Authority of Thailand were working together to promote the city's tourism, especially during the Songkran Festival in April this year when the pandemic is expected to significantly recede, he said.

Pattaya would also be re- branded with a focus on daytime activities, said Mr Phisut.

Meanwhile, Chon Buri governor Pakarathorn Thianchai said he had informed the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) of the province's recent zero case status.

Therefore, the easing of re- strictions in Chon Buri can be expected soon, he said..[/QUOTE]In reality rolls Royce aero division don't expect any pickup for 5 years so don't get too excited. Keep ya feet on the ground.

RR monitor aero engines in flight so they have a good idea what's going on.

My last good time there was the day before they closed the bars.

I was in Phuket before and heading home bc of covid worries. I got to pattaya about 2 in the afternoon. Went to hotel in Nakula, I like that area. After checking in I went to soi 6 and right off the bat I found a beauty. Bought her a drink to meet her a bit then upstairs. She was early 20's with no baby damage and good body. It was a fun 30 minutes. I paid 300 baht and either 1200 or 1000 to girl.

Usually I am not up for a second round soon but it had been a while. I found a second girl a bit later but she was not very memorable. .

After that I just walked about visiting beer bars. There was a kind of sleezy gogo bar in soi 7 or 8 that I liked so went there.

And I played various games with bar girls the rest of the night.

Anyway nothing new here, I just miss Thailand and wanted to post something about why pattaya was so much fun.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2526094]From "Pattaya One News" this morning: "Tourists are expected to soon start flocking back to Pattaya amid a far brighter Covid-19 outlook and with the mandatory 14-day quarantine no longer being enforced. The association president added that the province's lifting of the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for visitors to Pattaya offered some hope to the tourism sector.

Businesses in Pattaya and the local office of the Tourism Authority of Thailand were working together to promote the city's tourism, especially during the Songkran Festival in April this year when the pandemic is expected to significantly recede, he said.

Pattaya would also be re- branded with a focus on daytime activities, said Mr Phisut.

Meanwhile, Chon Buri governor Pakarathorn Thianchai said he had informed the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) of the province's recent zero case status.

Therefore, the easing of re- strictions in Chon Buri can be expected soon, he said. ".[/QUOTE]Just to clarify. The article is about Domestic Tourists (ie from elsewhere in Thailand). Some provinces had imposed 14 day self isolation for anyone arriving from "red zone" provinces which included Chonburi along with Samut Sakhon, Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan, etc.

The article is NOT referring to the requirement for arrivals from overseas to quarantine at state approved facilities. That requirement stays in force and is likely to do so for quite some time.

All,

It appears that almost all the recent restrictions will be eased from Monday 1 February. "Appears" because the Governor has issued the order but until the amended National Rules are published in the Royal Gazette nothing is absolutely certain.

The only thing which is not allowed to re-open is chicken (and other animal) fighting arenas. You'll just have to "choke the chicken" in the privacy of your own abode, if that's your thing.

Bars and other entertainment venues may open until 11 pm, restaurants can serve alcohol (to 11 pm), permits no longer required to travel out of the province. Dancing is not permitted (does the "chrome pole shuffle" count as dancing? Discuss). Convenience stores must close between 11 pm and 5 am. National licencing laws are likely to be applied for sales of alcohol from shops (11:00 - 14:00, 17:00 - 23:00).

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/01/30/chonburi-public-relations-release-new-order-around-easing-covid-19-measures-and-closures-effective-monday-february-1st/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2526804]All,

It appears that almost all the recent restrictions will be eased from Monday 1 February. "Appears" because the Governor has issued the order but until the amended National Rules are published in the Royal Gazette nothing is absolutely certain.

The only thing which is not allowed to re-open is chicken (and other animal) fighting arenas. You'll just have to "choke the chicken" in the privacy of your own abode, if that's your thing.

Bars and other entertainment venues may open until 11 pm, restaurants can serve alcohol (to 11 pm), permits no longer required to travel out of the province. Dancing is not permitted (does the "chrome pole shuffle" count as dancing? Discuss). Convenience stores must close between 11 pm and 5 am. National licencing laws are likely to be applied for sales of alcohol from shops (11:00 - 14:00, 17:00 - 23:00).[/QUOTE]Gogos are opening Monday. LK ones will be 6-12 pm. Last hour should be drinking up. Big new year eve party in crystal on Saturday. Makes up for closing on Dec 30th.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2527013]Gogos are opening Monday. LK ones will be 6-12 pm. Last hour should be drinking up. Big new year eve party in crystal on Saturday. Makes up for closing on Dec 30th.[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to see how they adjust around the restrictions of no dancing?

Feb 1st, the first night of the opening I decided to go down to Buakhao and get an early dinner. After did my cruise first down to Walking St. The entrance was blocked off due to them starting road work in putting overhead wires underground what timing if the pandemic didn't close down W. S. The road work for a good year might put the nail on the coffin. The only GoGo I noticed that was opened was Windmill and Tantra surprised Pin Up was closed let's hope it was just the 1st night.

Back up to Soi Buakhao, maybe it was the 1st night and people were restless and had to get out but it had a feeling as it it was like New Years', many of the outdoor bars were very busy especially in the LK Metro. The only Gogos I saw opened was Pandora, Crystal, Destiny, Paradise, many of the bars on Soi Buakhao closed to L. K. Were busy, Soi 7,8, not much sorry forgot about Soi 6, the hottest place in the Baukhao GoGo personally is Golden Times many of the old Bacarra staff is working there including the head mamasan from Bacarra.

The restriction was supposed to be no dancing with music and close at 11 pm I ask one girl at Destiny what time close she just responded late? I didn't see any social distance last night.

The bars have been open for a few days now, I am noticing that every day is a little busier than the day before. There are certainly no lack of ladies.

I have not yet been to Walking Street or Soi 6, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Pinup.

Seems pinup filled with beauties any members visited before how about the present situation there for Pickup.

Lovely girls to see. Ever green Pattaya.

[QUOTE=HellvelMan;2528693]Seems pinup filled with beauties any members visited before how about the present situation there for Pickup.[/QUOTE]There were 50 girls at Pin Up last night.

Open gogo bars so far. Pin Up, Palace, Windmill, Tantra, Atlantis, Dollhouse, Fahrenheit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2528831]There were 50 girls at Pin Up last night.

Open gogo bars so far. Pin Up, Palace, Windmill, Tantra, Atlantis, Dollhouse, Fahrenheit.[/QUOTE]Damn, still stuck at home.

Fantastic night last night. Destiny, Lady Love and Crystal all packed with people throwing money around like 10 years ago. Quite a few I spoke to had recently finished quarantine. A lot of the bars like Cafe Racer also doing a roaring trade. Feels like the 12 p. M close means like everyone is heading out at 6 pm to party on Friday and Saturday night.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1205022-goodbye-pattaya-almost-everyone-in-the-entertainment-industry-has-left-apartment-complexes-empty/[/URL]

Goodbye Pattaya! Almost everyone in the entertainment industry has left. Apartment complexes empty.

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Images: Siam Rath.

Thai media Siam Rath went down to Pattaya to investigate after the words "La Laew Pattaya" - Goodbye Pattaya. Were trending on Facebook site Pattaya Talk.

It appeared that everyone was loading their possessions onto pick-ups and heading back to the villages.

There were supportive comments but there was no hiding the abject depression.

Pattaya, once packed full of tourists and life especially in the high season is now deserted.

To confirm this Siam Rath went to the resort and saw that many apartment complexes were for sale or lease. Some didn't have a single person staying in them any more.

Phasakorn Suntharot. The owner of Suntharot Apartment. Said that his tenants started to leave during the first wave of the pandemic. Then just when it looked like there was to be a recovery along came the second wave.

His tenants were all people who worked in the entertainment industry and they have just gone home to save money.

He has just one room rented out now.

Pattaya has nothing left, he lamented.

Source: Siam Rath.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2529226]Nobody left in town[/QUOTE]Then who are all these people packing LK Metro on a nightly basis? Although many of the once popular gogo bars like Kink and Ninja are not open, those open bar beers are very busy. As confirmed by Cusland, LK Metro is rocking.

Don't believe what you read. If there is no one in Pattaya why is there still traffic during the day time on weekends?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2529351]Then who are all these people packing LK Metro on a nightly basis? Although many of the once popular gogo bars like Kink and Ninja are not open, those open bar beers are very busy. As confirmed by Cusland, LK Metro is rocking.

Don't believe what you read. If there is no one in Pattaya why is there still traffic during the day time on weekends?[/QUOTE]With bkk bars closed I expect Pattaya will be "busy" every weekend until it reopens. A lot of bars were busy this past weekend but that's because many haven't reopened yet (or won't be). I wouldn't say LK metro is rocking when half the bars aren't even open LOL.

Girl quality at LK metro is awful right now, continuing its downward trend since July. Significantly better looking girls can be found on soi honey or boomerang now.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2529395]With bkk bars closed I expect Pattaya will be "busy" every weekend until it reopens. A lot of bars were busy this past weekend but that's because many haven't reopened yet (or won't be). I wouldn't say LK metro is rocking when half the bars aren't even open LOL.

Girl quality at LK metro is awful right now, continuing its downward trend since July. Significantly better looking girls can be found on soi honey or boomerang now.[/QUOTE]My impression is that the ladies working in the bars now are hotter than before Covid19, because there are fewer customers. The marginal ladies don't have customers so they stop working, leaving the good ones.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2529686]My impression is that the ladies working in the bars now are hotter than before Covid19, because there are fewer customers. The marginal ladies don't have customers so they stop working, leaving the good ones.[/QUOTE]The smart ones are online and the really sharp ones are on Only Fans, many making more than they ever did in the bars.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2529720]The smart ones are online and the really sharp ones are on Only Fans, many making more than they ever did in the bars.[/QUOTE]Add mlive and bigo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2529729]Add mlive and bigo.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. It doesn't bode well for the future of mongering.

Covid has pushed digitization ahead 10 years.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2529686]My impression is that the ladies working in the bars now are hotter than before Covid19, because there are fewer customers. The marginal ladies don't have customers so they stop working, leaving the good ones.[/QUOTE]Makes no sense. We have the money and are willing to spend it.

Local Thais don't go for Marginal lookers. Ex pats-They want rock bottom pricing.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2529686]My impression is that the ladies working in the bars now are hotter than before Covid19, because there are fewer customers. The marginal ladies don't have customers so they stop working, leaving the good ones.[/QUOTE]I would disagree overall, although there has been a lot of girls moving between bars and in / out of Pattaya. Also some of the better ones stopped working but found a farang BF in Pattaya to support them. You'll see those with back in their old bar drinking with their BF and getting him to buy all her friends drinks.

You would be right if Pattaya was a normal economy, but its not. The average age of punter here today is 60+ and as such you have a lot of girls who that crowd prefers and not so many for younger guys.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1205336-the-bars-and-clubs-might-be-open-but-pattaya%E2%80%99s-famous-nightlife-looks-dead-and-buried/[/URL]

It was reminiscent of Mr Bumble wandering down a snowy street in Oliver Twist offering a "Boy for Sale".

But this wasn't desolate Victorian England. This was Pattaya in the 21st Century.

Much of Pattaya is for sale or rent. The "lady" who once offered so much is a shadow of her former self still lying lower than low even after the orders to close were lifted.

Walking Street resembled that lonely road traversed by Mr Bumble in the famous musical trying to sell the little boy.

Just like then there were few takers.

Pattaya Update News, and an identical story on We Love Pattaya, said that bars, pubs and entertainment places could now open to 11 pm.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2529735]Absolutely. It doesn't bode well for the future of mongering.

Covid has pushed digitization ahead 10 years.[/QUOTE]Thailand's education system is awful, especially in rural areas. Its min wage is about 330 baht a day and plenty of places manage to pay even less. The supply of girls who want to make big money working in P4P instead of a lifetime of making about 10000 baht a month will not dry up. Someone has to support Mom's gambling addiction and Dad's drinking addiction!

Also lots of Thai guys pay for sex. Its a part of the country and not going anywhere.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2529794][URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1205336-the-bars-and-clubs-might-be-open-but-pattaya%E2%80%99s-famous-nightlife-looks-dead-and-buried/[/URL]

It was reminiscent of Mr Bumble wandering down a snowy street in Oliver Twist offering a "Boy for Sale".

But this wasn't desolate Victorian England. This was Pattaya in the 21st Century.

Much of Pattaya is for sale or rent. The "lady" who once offered so much is a shadow of her former self still lying lower than low even after the orders to close were lifted.

Walking Street resembled that lonely road traversed by Mr Bumble in the famous musical trying to sell the little boy.

Just like then there were few takers.

Pattaya Update News, and an identical story on We Love Pattaya, said that bars, pubs and entertainment places could now open to 11 pm.[/QUOTE]Not to be too Rosy, but I suspect things will happen just like in The Simpson's (which has been surprisingly accurate on their takes on future evets in some episodes, probably just pure luck), when the town had gone through a period of Prohibition, and towards the end of the episode Prohibition was lifted and Mayor Quimby asked Fat Tony how quick he could get the liquor flowing again and he said "Give me 5 minutes" and 5 minutes later the scene was the town was full of drunks again out in public passed out on the streets.

When the Green light is given it's not going to happen in "5 minutes" but the bounce back of such places will occur rather quickly. There may be some changes on how things will be done, but that's just simply too much money for the "Fat Tony's" and "Mayor Quimby's" (I. E. Not so legit businessmen and politicians) to just let pass away all going directly to people on the internet. They will get their money somehow and that probably means bringing back the old with some new things.

[URL]https://youtu.be/XAk9gfGGpP8[/URL]

Palace this past weekend, 40 or so girls (70% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/dY5cKivm1Po[/URL]

Pin Up this past weekend, 50 or so girls. (66% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/uiU-BESjjOU[/URL]

Palace when it was a party before the pandemic.

Now you can judge when was the hotter girls and more fun at the Gogo bars. Videos are courtesy from your favorite neighborhood Spider-Man.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2529818]Thailand's education system is awful, especially in rural areas. Its min wage is about 330 baht a day and plenty of places manage to pay even less. The supply of girls who want to make big money working in P4P instead of a lifetime of making about 10000 baht a month will not dry up. Someone has to support Mom's gambling addiction and Dad's drinking addiction!

Also lots of Thai guys pay for sex. Its a part of the country and not going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Thai men don't fish in the same pond and have different expectations. Even before covid digitization has had a huge effect on the P4 P in Thailand.

And yes there will always be the uneducated, but again as we have seen in the last few years it is the bottom of the barrel that goes to work in the farang oriented Go-Go bars, as opposed to the more absurdly priced locales that cater mainly to Asian men who again have very different expectations from Western men as far as performance is concerned. Mind you I am not centering on looks but the entire package.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2529746]Local Thais don't go for Marginal lookers. Ex pats-They want rock bottom pricing.[/QUOTE]In general, Farang and Asians have totally different preferences for Thai looks. Farang like girls who look like girls at Windmill, Sapphire, Billabong, Coconut, and lots of bar beers. Asians prefer Baccara, Sensations, Pin Up, Happy, Palace, and Hollywood looks. Girls are no different and select where they work based on the clientele they prefer.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2529686]My impression is that the ladies working in the bars now are hotter than before Covid19, because there are fewer customers. The marginal ladies don't have customers so they stop working, leaving the good ones.[/QUOTE]I doubt that. There are only about 10% of the gogo girls as there were pre COVID and the hot girls I know are living the high life in the comfort of their home while their Sponsors don't want them to work. What else are Sponsors going to do with their money if they can't monger?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2529720]The smart ones are online and the really sharp ones are on Only Fans, many making more than they ever did in the bars.[/QUOTE]That's true OF exploded when we are trapped at home.

I even had some Canadian sugar babies and seen a few escorts.

But it all coming to a end.

I have quit all these virtual and local venues and I have other monger buddies that once we can travel will not spend 10 cents on virtual.

I know many girls that were doing good on OF and now guys are dropping it and what something real.

Many have abandoned their accounts.

In 1 or 2 years it will be normal.

Men will be traveling, hitting clubs and using escorts as normal.

Virtual is a joke.

The women will be back where the real money will migrate.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530071]the hot girls I know are living the high life in the comfort of their home while their Sponsors don't want them to work. What else are Sponsors going to do with their money if they can't monger?[/QUOTE]Not sure I get that BB. What is the difference in the life of a girl who was being sponsored precovid and what's happening now.

Are you saying that some guys who precovid were not sponsors but have now become sponsors because they don't know what to do with their money, or were they already sponsors precovid, the only difference being that now their girl cannot work but will be working again when it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Allover;2529913][URL]https://youtu.be/XAk9gfGGpP8[/URL]

Palace this past weekend, 40 or so girls (70% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/dY5cKivm1Po[/URL]

Pin Up this past weekend, 50 or so girls. (66% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/uiU-BESjjOU[/URL]

Palace when it was a party before the pandemic.

Now you can judge when was the hotter girls and more fun at the Gogo bars. Videos are courtesy from your favorite neighborhood Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]You live up to your name ALLOVER.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2530076]That's true OF exploded when we are trapped at home.

I even had some Canadian sugar babies and seen a few escorts.

But it all coming to a end.

I have quit all these virtual and local venues and I have other monger buddies that once we can travel will not spend 10 cents on virtual.

I know many girls that were doing good on OF and now guys are dropping it and what something real.

Many have abandoned their accounts.

In 1 or 2 years it will be normal.

Men will be traveling, hitting clubs and using escorts as normal.

Virtual is a joke.

The women will be back where the real money will migrate.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I had initially subscribed to some girls but didn't renew my subscription after one month. There is only so many times you want to see one girl. And that too my subscription was for some insta or reality tv girls I wanted to see in all glory. Moreover, these girls don't upload every day so not a lot of content from first subscription onward. I think of will keep them afloat but I doubt it can be a main source of income for most girls. For some yes, but most no.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2530126]Are you saying that some guys who precovid were not sponsors but have now become sponsors because they don't know what to do with their money, or were they already sponsors precovid, [/QUOTE]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]What about when I am about to make love to my Thai bar girl and she says "go slow, no boom boom long time" is she lying then? 555.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]Sorry BB just not enough detail. Need the timeline from January 20.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]Wow, you really got my life story down to the smallest detail. I think the only part you missed is, the Covid lockdown has had a negative impact with my marriage. So now I divorced my wife and had to give her half of my assets along with the house, car and future monthly support. Now I'm just saving of what's left of myself so when border opens again, I could be with my one true faithful bargirl.

Cheers all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]So sorry you feel for this trick, I thought you were smarter then this Bb,.

An adventure on Soi Chaiyapoon:

Blue Sky Health Massage has a lady with the name of then opposite of "yes", full figured, does a great job in the shower, I feel very clean, followed by massage and oral finish. A good time was had by all.

[QUOTE=Allover;2529913][URL]https://youtu.be/XAk9gfGGpP8[/URL]

Palace this past weekend, 40 or so girls (70% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/dY5cKivm1Po[/URL]

Pin Up this past weekend, 50 or so girls. (66% less than before COVID).

[URL]https://youtu.be/uiU-BESjjOU[/URL]

Palace when it was a party before the pandemic.

Now you can judge when was the hotter girls and more fun at the Gogo bars. Videos are courtesy from your favorite neighborhood Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]I was in PinUp last night. The ladies are as hot as ever, just no customers.

Windmill has the same number of ladies, and there are maybe half the customers as before COVID-19. However, pre-Covid, there had been a raid on Windmill, and so the girls were more conservative. They aren't any more.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2530456]I was in PinUp last night. The ladies are as hot as ever, just no customers.

Windmill has the same number of ladies, and there are maybe half the customers as before COVID-19. However, pre-Covid, there had been a raid on Windmill, and so the girls were more conservative. They aren't any more.[/QUOTE]Having half the number of customers with travel still restricted is REALLY good. I wonder how packed it will be once travel is completely open, al beit vaccine / immunity passpord.

[QUOTE=Allover;2529913][URL]https://youtu.be/dY5cKivm1Po[/URL]

Pin Up this past weekend, 50 or so girls. (66% less than before COVID).

Now you can judge when was the hotter girls and more fun at the Gogo bars. Videos are courtesy from your favorite neighborhood Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]I hate to have to call bullshit on the timeline of this video but this video was not from last weekend. It is in Pinup but at the end of the video there is a tall white bald guy walking. I know him and he was not in Pattaya last weekend. This video has to be before the last lockdown took place. It could be after COVID but I can't be sure. We are from Bangkok and now we go to Pattaya often since we can't travel to destinations outside of Thailand.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2530630]Having half the number of customers with travel still restricted is REALLY good. I wonder how packed it will be once travel is completely open, al beit vaccine / immunity passpord.[/QUOTE]Windmill will be packed like sardines once the riff-raff are allowed back into Thailand. Windmill is great as it is now.

It's a good place to bring a Barfine. After an hour in there, you'll know how much your barfine is into sex, or if she is just going through the motions.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2530455]An adventure on Soi Chaiyapoon:

Blue Sky Health Massage has a lady with the name of then opposite of "yes", full figured, does a great job in the shower, I feel very clean, followed by massage and oral finish. A good time was had by all.[/QUOTE]Full figure?

Five & foot two. 175 lbs?

Because most of the Walking Street gogos are closed, there are many former gogo ladies working bars in LK Metro and other areas that are still open. That's the good news. The bad news is that they still have their sponsors and admirers, so they may not be available much.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2530076]That's true OF exploded when we are trapped at home.

I even had some Canadian sugar babies and seen a few escorts.

But it all coming to a end.

I have quit all these virtual and local venues and I have other monger buddies that once we can travel will not spend 10 cents on virtual.

I know many girls that were doing good on OF and now guys are dropping it and what something real.

Many have abandoned their accounts.

In 1 or 2 years it will be normal.

Men will be traveling, hitting clubs and using escorts as normal.

Virtual is a joke.

The women will be back where the real money will migrate.[/QUOTE]But keep in mind, the majority of men will never monger. And that is the true audience for OF.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530071]I doubt that. There are only about 10% of the gogo girls as there were pre COVID and the hot girls I know are living the high life in the comfort of their home while their Sponsors don't want them to work. What else are Sponsors going to do with their money if they can't monger?[/QUOTE]Looking at the facebook profiles of the girls I would consider the top 10% from gogos in Pattaya such as Palace etc, very few are roughing it out trying to slog it for the few punters in town, regardless of a slight refresh of baht filled wallets with the post-ASQ crowd which has trickled in. As BB has said, many are taking trips to Phuket / Samui / Krabi and living in Bangkok somewhere in nice condos. Some are back at home building their Isaan mansions and are just not anywhere close to wanting to come back to Pattaya yet for what's left of the paying crowd. Sponsors are continuing to send them money either through wanting to help them through this situation or because they are total fools (take your pick) and I suspect many will never come back to the city again. This is not all despair though, if and when Pattaya should rise again, new ones will take their place by the busload, but if you were looking for the same stunners from 2019, good chance that they will be gone for a very long time.

Look at this silly German giving away free fruit in Pattaya. It is notable many of the women are plain and others are too lazy to walk over to get the free fruit. Good marriage material.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]I was there last March in Pattaya! And I'm back in my country waiting borders of Thailand open again normally without quarantine! I'll bever do 2 weeks of quarantine! And yes finally this year I saved a lot of money because next month it will be 1 year I didn't go in Pattaya! Usually I go there every 3 months and each time I bang new girls and regular girls I know for few years in Soi 6 or everywhere else in Pattaya or BKK. You say guys send 50.000 bahts right now to their girls! If they're stupid to do it, it's their problem!

I just keep on touch on Line or Whasapp or Facebook with girls I met before! And I even meet new girls on facebook! I don't send money to girls! Only sometimes I send about 1200 bahts to few girls just for help or to maje them happy but nothing more! But when I send them 1000 bahts each time I asl them to do me a nice show on cam! In fact I fuck them by cam LOL like on Chaturbate. Most of them them do that!

But I'nn ever send so much money to any lady there because I know they all have sponsors, they don't care about us, they just want money! They play a great game with us! And me right now for few years I play same game with them! I just want fuck them bareback, I pay when I fuck and it's enough for me!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2530314]Guy falls for girl while he was in Thailand January, 2020. Thailand closes border so guy can no longer see girl. Guy misses girl. Girl Lines guy daily making guy feel loved. Guy works but can't travel to see girl in Thailand or go to Germany, etc. Guy has extra disposable income now. Girl keeps Lining guy saying how much she misses him and can't wait to do BBFS with him again assuring him he is the only guy she has done BBFS with. Guy is needy and feels he has found the girl of his dreams. Guy feels bad knowing Soi 6 is closed and the girl can't work other than getting suckers to buy virtual drinks online. Guy figures he has saved 500k baht by not taking 2 trips to Thailand in 2020. Girl continues to Line guy. Guy decides to give girl allowance of 50k baht per month. Girl is so grateful she says when guy comes back sex will be free and no need to pay for sex. Girl neglects to tell guy most of the money is going to her boyfriend/tomboy to buy alcohol and drugs. Girl promises guy she will not have sex with anyone else. Girl goes out that night and gets gangbanged by her boyfriend and his buddies for a fee. Guy feels like he has done a good deed and karma will return tenfold. Guy is horny. Guy remains dedicated to girl as she continues to send love stickers to guy all day long. Guy can't wait to get back to Thailand and is considering early retirement so he has more vacation time and can satisfy the 14 day quarantine. Guy continues to dream about his Thai girl while he pumps out 50 k baht to girl monthly. Girl feels no need to work any more. She has her sucker hook line and sinker. The end.[/QUOTE]Like you say I love when a Thai working girl say, she never does BBFS and does that only with me! And of course, I say exactly the same to her!

I was in PinUp on Saturday night, a lot more customers than during the week. I suspect that some come down from Bangkok. Windmill was actually crowded, almost couldn't find a seat for myself and my two ladies.

As for high end ladies staying home because they have a sponsor, what posters here are forgetting is that sponsors are not reliable. There is a high attrition rate of sponsors after they leave Pattaya. So, not many pre-COVID sponsors are still around. Another issue is that ladies like to have multiple sponsors. So, even if sponsor #1 paid them to go to Isaan in early 2020, when the bars open again, the lady will return to Pattaya to find more sponsors.

Plus, the village is boring.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2531262]I was in PinUp on Saturday night, a lot more customers than during the week. I suspect that some come down from Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I was one of those BKK guys last night. 😂 And I can confirm as well about the great crowd.

It was my first time at PinUp and I had a good time. I think that night, the ratio of girls to guys seemed right. There was enough guys there where it didn't make you seem like the only target for those many girls on stage. And there were plenty of girls where you should be able to find one that is attractive and to your personal taste.

I ended up barfining a girl there for 1000 baht.

The time back in the hotel was great. We ended up doing BBFS because neither of us had any protection on us. It was pretty irresponsible of me to always think the girl will carry some in her purse. Anyways, I had no regrets.

She ended up leaving around 5 am. We never did negotiate price for her time during the barfining stage. And for the time, she just asked for 3000 baht. It seemed reasonable.

We exchanged Line info and I'll probably meet up with her again before I head back to the dark gloom of BKK.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2531262]Another issue is that ladies like to have multiple sponsors. So, even if sponsor #1 paid them to go to Isaan in early 2020, when the bars open again, the lady will return to Pattaya to find more sponsors.[/QUOTE]One of my non-P4P friends in Isaan told me how her girlfriend now has "many" farang sponsors. Says that COVID has made it easier to get sponsors from years past to start sending money again. I don't have a numerical value for "many".

These girls see nothing wrong with sponsors sending money. It is a way to support family.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2531284]One of my non-P4P friends in Isaan told me how her girlfriend now has "many" farang sponsors. Says that COVID has made it easier to get sponsors from years past to start sending money again. I don't have a numerical value for "many".

These girls see nothing wrong with sponsors sending money. It is a way to support family.[/QUOTE]If some idiots want to send money to some bargirl so she can hand it to her Thai boyfriend, great. But, we need to put this practice in context. Only a small percent of bargirls have anything close to a regular sponsor. Back in the day, lots of gogo girls had multiple sponsors, but if you go out into other areas, you just won't run into many ladies with sponsors.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2531357]If some idiots want to send money to some bargirl so she can hand it to her Thai boyfriend, great. But, we need to put this practice in context. Only a small percent of bargirls have anything close to a regular sponsor. Back in the day, lots of gogo girls had multiple sponsors, but if you go out into other areas, you just won't run into many ladies with sponsors.[/QUOTE]The gals pimp gets the money so I have been told by mates friends working in lybia years ago who handed a wad o cash to the pimp at the flat they lived.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2531400]The gals pimp gets the money so I have been told by mates friends working in lybia years ago who handed a wad o cash to the pimp at the flat they lived.[/QUOTE]Low life pimps are part of P4P everywhere but from living here for over 20 years my feeling is they are less of an issue here. Trafficking from adjoining countries goes on and seedy brothels can be found mostly in border towns but girls working the expat / tourist end in the major cities are by and large independents. That is not to say some of them don't have boyfriend leeches who I guess could be called pimps but mostly they use their earnings to either look after their kid (s) and family or they it on clothes and cosmetics. There are some not many who manage to save for a rainy day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2531357]If some idiots want to send money to some bargirl so she can hand it to her Thai boyfriend, great. But, we need to put this practice in context. Only a small percent of bargirls have anything close to a regular sponsor. Back in the day, lots of gogo girls had multiple sponsors, but if you go out into other areas, you just won't run into many ladies with sponsors.[/QUOTE]Sponsors can be funny. Girls gain and lose sponsors over time. Some sponsors lose their disposable cash over time or figure out the girl is playing them or become smitten with a different girl. Some sponsors haven't seen their girls in over a year.

A pimp works by recruiting ladies and directing how and where they work to some degree.

A leech boyfriend doesn't pretend to do any work for a bargirl, he just borrows money from her. Or a leech Tom.

After fucking old Farangs all day, the ladies like to have a young guy to go home to. On rare occasions, that young guy will be a Farang. Of course, the sponsor will never be told about the young boyfriend. The young guy has to be tolerant of the bargirl going off with a customer and may have another lady on the side. Some time ago, some bar girl tried to recruit me as a "boyfriend", ie a long term customer. She was going out with some young Thai guy until she found out that he had another bargirl, but she was off on an extended holiday with a Farang customer.

Anyway, I have been hitting the bars again. The quality of the ladies remains high. As always, some bars have more customers than others, some are somewhat busy, others are dead. There are more ladyboys than before, but they are not aggressive.

[QUOTE=Ncc1701A;2531058]many are taking trips to Phuket / Samui / Krabi and living in Bangkok somewhere in nice condos. Some are back at home building their Isaan mansions and are just not anywhere close to wanting to come back to Pattaya yet for what's left of the paying crowd. Sponsors are continuing to send them money either through wanting to help them through this situation or because they are total fools (take your pick) and I suspect many will never come back to the city again.[/QUOTE]One got to wonder why they were selling their asses and pussies in Pattaya if they are such millionaires living the star life.

[URL]https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1206427-expats-swindled-out-of-100-million-baht-by-pattaya-bank-staffer-meet-prosecutor/[/URL]

The public prosecutor in Pattaya met with many of the Thai and foreign victims of an assistant bank manager who is alleged to have stolen 100 million baht of their money.

Chaisit Sappermpoon is currently being held without bail in Pattaya special prison as evidence is gathered in thirty cases against him.

It is alleged that he used his position as assistant branch manager at a well known commercial bank to convince customers of his integrity and good intentions.

But there is evidence that he did not do that. Instead he used old bank books that he was supposed to have incinerated to convince customers, many of them foreign expats in the resort, that they had funds in their account and were doing well.

Some of these rumbled the scam when they found at other branches that their accounts had been drained, reported Pattaya Update News.

Chaisit also recommended investments and financial packages with high interest but just allegedly stole all the money.

Also in attendance at the meeting was the Pattaya station chief Pol Col Phisit Phoonsap.

Prosecutor Sakda Khlairomsai said this was a complicated matter involving 30 separate cases of fraud.

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Anyway, I have been hitting the bars again. The quality of the ladies remains high. As always, some bars have more customers than others, some are somewhat busy, others are dead. There are more ladyboys than before, but they are not aggressive.[/QUOTE]Which bars are you going to with ladyboys? None of the bars I ever go to in Pattaya have ladyboys. Unlike BKK, there are very few bars in Pattaya with both ladyboys and girls.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2531357]Only a small percent of bargirls have anything close to a regular sponsor. [/QUOTE]

Any girl worth buying a drink for has a Sponsor. The exception would be if the girl is new and her Sponsor-to-be is still in Thailand barfining her daily.

[QUOTE=Cool;2532329].... Some sponsors haven't seen their girls in over a year.[/QUOTE]With covid there are many more such sponsors than ever before.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2531284]One of my non-P4P friends in Isaan told me how her girlfriend now has "many" farang sponsors. Says that COVID has made it easier to get sponsors from years past to start sending money again. I don't have a numerical value for "many".

These girls see nothing wrong with sponsors sending money. It is a way to support family.[/QUOTE]There are sponsors, and then there are sponsors. One type might send 1000 or 3000 baht when the girl messages them asking for help. The other type is sending 20000 or something like that every month.

If I had to guess in the past year more are sending those small amounts, and less are sending big amounts every month.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2532771]There are sponsors, and then there are sponsors. One type might send 1000 or 3000 baht when the girl messages them asking for help. The other type is sending 20000 or something like that every month.

If I had to guess in the past year more are sending those small amounts, and less are sending big amounts every month.[/QUOTE]Agree! You make a lot of sense when you stay away from dick size!

Although the bars are open, there aren't a lot of customers midweek.

I walked down Soi Honey last night, from Second Road, it was like walking through the Zombie Apocalypse, everything was dark until I got down towards the Soi Buakhow end. At least at that end, the bars were open.

LK Metro was kind of busy, even though many of the gogos are shut. I spent time at the Cave, which was alternating between being full of customers and dead.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2532419]With covid there are many more such sponsors than ever before.[/QUOTE]Actually, there are many fewer ladies in Pattaya now, and those who can still live in Pattaya are those with sponsors. Ladies without sponsors are having difficulty making enough baht to survive in Pattaya.

It’s the same as in professional sports, for every multi-million dollar contract you hear about, there are thousands of players who make little or no money.

So, yes, there are Thai ladies living in expensive condos paid for by sponsors, but there are also 100s of ladies who bus down to Pattaya, and leave after a week or two with barely enough money to get home.