thanks and some first impressions from Bogota
First off. Thanks to the many folks who have posted so many informative posts in the past year; it was very helpful to me on my first trip to Colombia. Thanks and best wishes to you in the New Year.
I was in Bogotá for a couple of days before going to Cartagena earlier this month. I tried out a couple of the massage parlors, stopped by Bar Zhivago and did a brief tour of Barrio Santa Fe. All these spots have been covered in recent posts, these are just my impressions. As I said, this was my first visit to Colombia. I'm from the US, an obvious gringo, I speak a little Spanish. I've made a few trips to the Dominican Republic in the past two years, one trip to Venezuela last year. Still pretty new to the hobby, I make mistakes even when I've read posts here warning me of this and that. So, that's a little bit of my deal and these are some of my impressions.
Abejita's massage (Carrera 14 No. 83-23; not very obvious). I walked up stairs and was quickly moved into a room by an attractive girl who quoted (I thought) 300k for a nude massage + 40k more for a blow job + 40k more of something else + 40k more for the deed. I was crushed, since I'd seen posts here for 150k for what sounded like the complete deal and I was thinking no amount of wheeling and dealing was going to get me down anywhere near that price. I walked out. I was thinking maybe she shot high because I'm such an obvious gringo or maybe it was because it was a Sunday afternoon. Stupid.
Right now, I think it was just a disconnect between my limited Spanish and her seeing a chance at a big payoff. She asked for 30k. I thought she asked for 300k. She thought I might take the bait at 300k. Anyway, even as pretty as she was, I was hoping for a little more choice ahead of the negotiations.
Cachaca Lover has a great post somewhere on the Colombia forum on the importance of learning Spanish. I'm pretty new to it.
I knew I could fall back to Abado (see AddictedToWomen's post below). The girls there are not up to the same standard as the chica at Abejita's, but like Addicted puts it you can get two chicas on the cheap. I was feeling pretty good for nailing two for 1/3 of what I thought the opening price was at Abejita's. Frankly, the thin walls and the customers coming and going just adds to the atmosphere. It's not something I've experienced before and was feeling pretty happy about opting out of Abejita's after finishing up. Stupid and happy.
Later, I stopped by Bar Zhivago. I think it's a pretty expensive venue. The exit fee for me was 80k. The most attractive chicas started asking for 200k. Although some chicas will slip you their phone numbers in order to work around the bar fine. My impression is it's pretty easy to figure out the hotel the girls are staying at. If you were spending time in Bogota it would not be hard to work around the Zhivago bar fine. I was pretty struck by the chicas working at Bar Zhivago (also known as Juan Pablo Karaoke; Carrera 18 No. 93a - 83) there were around 30 girls working there and I had some problem trying to figure out which of the top five I wanted the most.
Obviously, the girls who are not the most attractive (although not unattractive) try to work a deal before you've got a chance to figure out you've landed in a place very unlike anything in the United States.
I got an outstanding BBBJ from a tight little girl - Julie - she's short with very little body fat. 19 years. Great chest. Long black hair, but she said she was going to dye it red/blonde soon. She's from Honda. I think she's got attention deficit disorder, but once she knows you're going to take her she seems to focus and gets pretty enthusiastic. I did her and her cousin, one at a time, paid the bar fine at Bar Zhivago both times.
I did swing by the Santa Fe District (with such venues as La Piscina, El Castillo, Venus Show Bar). I did this during the day and in a cab. It's a place a really want to check out at night - but I'm so clearly a gringo and my Spanish is borderline and this was my first visit. I really wanted to get the LDV in Cartagena before dying, so I decided to pass on it this time around. This is the big disadvantage for me in Bogota - I'm never going to blend into the scene.
On the other hand, I was sort of amazed at the attention I got from women in the Zona Rosa, just sitting sipping a drink at a cafe. You know, you're just sitting there and a couple of women strike up a conversation with you and, shortly, you've got a phone number. Just like the good old days.
Jelly Donut de la Tierra de Mujeres Gordas
General Impressions fo Bogota
the following are just random and general thoughts and opinions of my exp. in bogota. again, just my opinion. i was ihn town from the 20th of december till the 24th, then flew to cucuta to visit a little honey ( non-pro)that i met a few months ago in cartagena. then back to bogota for the 27th and 28th.
even though there is much military presence, it still felt a bit unsafe. i am hispanic, and i somewhat blended in, but not totally. i stayed two blocks away from zona rosa at the suites real 85, which is an excellent location. just a block away is the huge carulla supermarket, which has a good deli with all of the essentials, including a buffet style salad bar for there or to go. fresh food and clean place. half a block away, before getting to the supermarket, plenty of atm machines to choose from, along with a security guard next to the atm's. in the opposite direction, about 3 blocks away is a gym that has the basics, nothing spectacular, but it does the job.
zona rosa is a great place to meet people, especially non pros, as well as parque 93 which is about 5 to 6 block walk from carulla supermarket whch is located at car15 85(right on the corner). plenty of bars and rest. cafes to chose from. clean and safe area, for the most part. sometimes you will run into your occasional drunk bafoon harrasing you for money.
there are a couple of mongering places within this area. one which everyone must avoid like the plague, is one called cedro, located right of car. 82nd, and 15. there are a few guys around zona rosa with cards of the place, trying to escort you in there. red alert, stay away. i walked in on my own after getting some info. from one of the street guys with the bus. cards of the establishment. it is set up as a bar with individual rooms that include couches and a mattress on the floor. there is a line up of girls that come and intro. themselves one by one. nothing to write home about, but then again i am a picky mother**** when it comes to ladies looks. there was only one doable, she was not gorgeous, but she had a naughty, f***** me look. since i was in the mood for that, i told the guy in charge, i wanted to chat with her, and also asked hime, what the deal with this place, how does it work and what do you charge?
it works like this, you neg. with the girl for service. then neg. room with the guy in charge. at first, he wanted to charge me 20,000 pesos for a freaken beer, i don;t even drink beer, only hard drinks, and those are more expensive. i neg. the beer down to 12,000 pesos which i gave to the girl i chose, her name is diva ( real name-andrea ). ^ft tall, slanted eyes, and wears glasses, extremely sexy, but what a shark. we neg. 90,000 pesos ( she first started with 180,000) for an hour and a half( i responded with a chuckle), i neg. room for 40,000 pesos, after the head guy first asked for 80,000, he lowered to 40,000. i walk in the room, girl comes in, she goes to the bathroom. some witch walks in and offered a condom for 2,000 pesos, and 3 for 10,000 pesos(that is no error my friends), 1 for 2,000, and 3 for 10,000? i just started laughing out loud, told the skank to scram. i closed the door and locked it.
the girl comes out, demands i pay up front, i said no, she starts bitching and i say, look, pay half now, then other half after (this turned out to be a wise choice), she agrees. we talk for a few minutes, she is comfortable and relaxed, so was i, we start to undress, she said earlier she would dance for me, she was acting as thought she was shy, after telling me she had been working there for 2 yrs ( shy? yeah right). she starts covered bj, for about 5 to 10 minutes, it was ok. then when i start banging her , about 5 minutes into it, he tells me she is tired, give me a break, i was pumping her hard, but this gall is full of crap. then she starts complaining it too hot. i just said, screw this and screw you. i got dressed, walked out, the head guy alonf with some other working gall were in shock to see me walkout of the room somewhat angry. i told the guy, that from the moment i walked in, it was a survival mission to not get ripped off, and that his girl diva was a lazy dud. i told him i would spread the word to others about this dump( and i am). i usually do not have these experiences, but i was curious about the place. as i was walking down the treet, the same guy who gave me the cedro card has the balls to ask me for a tip(for telling me about this place), i began to laugh, and told him i spent all 5oo,ooo pesos at cedro, and had nothing left in my pocket.
on a positive note, i was at albejitas mass. parlor ( check previous posts by others about exact location). i wakied in my first time at 5pm, met a gal called cynthia, what a goodlooking spinner. 130,000 for covered bj, and banging in different positions, and a very good massage. was in there for about 1:15 minutes. good service, good looking gal. only thing that i did not like, they did not have a shower in the room( means that you might leave a bit more slick (oil) than you first walked in). she told me, they are open at 8am till 10 pm.
was also there for a second time, and it was with roxana, good looking gal from bogota, ok ass, but nice boobies and good attitude. she continued to complenting my body, and yanked the condom off, and gave me uncovered by. believe me, the compliment did not bring a smile to my face, it was her lips wraped around my uncovered soldier. then banging in different positions. 130,000 for the deal. she was cool.
as for other areas, i walked by extasis on the way to parquen 93 one night, wanted to charge 20,000 just to walk in, not including a drink, so i just kept walking. on my last day in bogota, i tried out this place in a residential neighborhood, a taxi driver i met a couple of days earlier told me about it, so i said what the hell, gave it a try. basically, you walk into this house, a group of girls walk out and say there name, you choose and go to a room with a sofa bed, it costs 70,000 for an hour, 50,000 for 40 minutes. girls were young and cute, not bad service. i don't think the plavce has a name, cause it was a house, not a bus. or bar. it was about 10 blocks away from the hotel. but i am sure there are many more placesd like this in bogota. good taxi drivers know.
i did not go to the sante fe area. can't comment on it. but from what i have been told, you really have to watch out, especially if you are gringo. i heard this from a couple of colombians i spoke to at the hotel. i did go to the movies at atlantico mall with a non pro, very nice place to take a date. shopping for good deals at unicentro, touristic musta for newbies, the cathedral made out of salt, museo de oro, botero paintings close by. candelaria neighborhood, quinta de bolivar, and a few others. as for a place called "andres carne de res", it is highly recommended, great food, people, and music, but drinks are pricey. everyone in bogota knows about this place, and how to get there.
as for my stay in the city of cucuta, it is the most boring place i have been to in my life, thank god i was there to meet a girl i met a while back, great times with her at hotel bolivar, in my room and by the pool. trust, don't waste your time in this place, even if you know a gal from there. just pay for her plane ticket, and have her meet you anywhere on earth, except cucuta. its also very hot and sticky. i also did not feel secure in this city. hope my info. helps someone in the future. overall my trip was good, but not great. then again, i have been to many cities through many countries this year alone, and they were a blast, including cartagena in colombia.
bogota does not interest me enough for a return trip anytime soon, unless i need to make a stop there on the way to somewhere else. i think i will give medellin or cali a try next time i go to colombia. most of the babes i have met from colombia are from one of those two places( almost always seems that way). thanks for letting me contribute to this forum, and a happy new year to all.