East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]It seems like the management has changed.

Was there tonight. Had No 30. She gave a first class massage and HJ was ok. I believe she wanted to indicate that I could fuck her for a surcharge, but I was not up to that and did not ask what exactly for how much. Surprisingly she refused a tip after the massage. Then, they didn't offer the free foot massage any more and also refused to give me Fapiao. But, for RMB228 it is still a good bargain. [/QUOTE]Interesting. I was there a week ago on a Friday. Had to wait a while for a girl. The massage was okay. Nowhere near as good as No. 25 that I had a few weeks ago. That girl (#25) did the blow-in-your-ear-and-show-you-her-crotchless-panties deal. But last week (I don't remember the number), no tip was accepted, and the foot massage was offered at the end. I'll check it out this weekend and see if it's the same as Beijing Fox reported.

Was in Shanghai Thu night/Fri and Sunday night last week. My luck had run out as I just got to sample some of Shangai's delights one night.

Thu night. Tired from flying over half the way across the world and wanted to go some where local (was staying in Pudong) and decided Sacrosa was it. Took a cab to Dongchang Road station and walked down a couple of blocks and found it easy enough. Breezed through the shower, declined the scrub down offered by the boys and after a minute wait in the "waiting room", was led to a line up of around 10 girls. I looked for any one of the recommended girls (#105, #511, #562, #503, #570, #590) but no luck there. So, picked #115 as she was the most engaging with direct eye contact and smiles. She's short, got a tight body with small tits. Good Service with some GFE (would have been really good if I could speak a little Mandarin as she really tried to communicate). BBJ, AR, Doggie, Mish led to 2 pops. The first was CIM (spat into a napkin). She also gave a good deep massage between the rounds. Recommended overall.

Fri afternoon. Having read out Heiting Elite, I had to try it. Got there at 2:30 PM to be told by Bob the Manger that they have some issues with the showers and they are closed till 5 or 6 PM. Suggested that I hang out for a few hours watching TV but I declined, got his card and decided to come back on Sunday (was heading to a different city that evening for 2 nights).

Sun night. Got back to Shanghai at 11PM and was ready for some action! Called Bob first and heard that they were closed for 2 or 3 days. He would not give any explanation, apologized and asked me to call him again in a few days and not to show up before calling. Disappointed, I took a cab to Shanghai Hotel (should have called first) and was told that there "was some police problem" that night and that there was no service at all. Was also warned by the lady at the front desk that most other places were closed too. I decided not to try any other spots, cursed my luck (what are the chances of getting deprived of some action 2 different days there? ) and called in a night. Curious if others had any issues last Sunday (Apr 12th) night.

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Hi everyone!

I've lurked here for a while now, but taking some advice, finally decided to register and get posting. A short blurb (but not too much! ) about myself first.

I'm young and I don't work. I'm completely new to paying for service (though I certainly would like to give it a shot- no pun intended), and I enjoy working the social scene for freebies. I've been in Shanghai since Aug 2008 and I'm leaving in July 2009. That gives me about 2 1/2 months left to make this last little while an absolute blast.

I don't want to contribute nothing, so I'll share what little experience I do have hitting the clubs for freebies.

I'm sure most of you hit up a lot of the clubs already, so I'll just limit myself to my most recent experience: SoHo.

SoHo opened very recently and got rather poor reviews from my friends. Regardless, I decided to give it a shot and try it out with another group of friends. The music is pretty decent; they remix a lot of the older songs from the 90s. Atmosphere is alright- expect a LOT of white plastic wall decor. For those who know the game- there's enough lighting to read pupils, not always, but often enough. Alcohol per glass is a little pricey, but the bottles are cheaper than most of the other places (we picked up Jose Cuervos Gold for 480ish, I think). One of my friends works there and he kept loading us up with free drink vouchers all night, so we didn't need to get the bottle, but I made the call for it anyways. No cover on the night we went (Saturday).

The average girl there is probably a 6-7, expect to find a number of Western girls in there too. For those of us rolling in dough, there are LOTS of lonely local females sitting at the tables. For everyone else, lots of small groups (1-2 mostly) of both locals and foreigners at the bar. I personally opted for this stunning HB8 Colombian. She and her friend joined us. We shared drinks, I danced a little with them. Closed with a kiss and number- I went to Muse2, she stayed at SoHo. Around 4AM she gives me a call to get my apartment address and cabs over.

I'd certainly like to give the "pay scene" a try though, got a list together and everything. Any of you mongers mind taking on an apprentice? My friend is visiting from Canada, so I'd love to take him some place, on recommendation. If any of you have some free time and wouldn't mind bringing along a newbie, send me a message. In the meantime, I'll continue to RTFF

And yes, it is VERY true what they say about Colombian girls.

P7

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[QUOTE=Wordsofwisdom]Thanks for the several suggestions that people have given me regarding my earlier post on this matter. I need to make a few things clear;

1. I have been around a while and have never contemplated this situation before but she really does seem genuine.

2. If she isn't then I can accept this....my big head is thinking ! I haven't spent lots of money really and she can't speak any English so it is "free" Chinese with some nice perks thrown in! Especially her cooking and good morning smile.

3. If she does try to mess with me then I will decide what I will do as far as payback, although I don't really want to do this I will do what is necessary to seek retribution.

4. The main problem seems to be her complete lack of experience and lack of awareness of life and if she is faking this then she truly deserves an Oscar for her consistently good performance.

So time will tell and in the meantime I am able to take well meaning criticisms from other people and try to be objective about the future.

Not all girls are the same and I am more optimistic than many other people here it seems.

The least I can do is keep you guys posted about the outcome....so lessons can be learned either way.[/QUOTE]
W.O.W., for a guy that's been around its quite amazing to me (NO offense meant or intended - please!) that your reaction to this gal is so "newbie" - so to call.

Lke I said, no offense meant or intended - but surely for a guy that's been around, you would have heard plenty about - and probably experienced yourself - very similar stories: The older, wealthier guy and the "quite" innocent waif who's got no other choice but to sell her body. When did such stories ever end up "good?" Yeah, mebbe for a while - but after 1, 2 or even 5 years??? You gotta be kidding!

My advise still stands - enjoy IT for what it's worth - but don't commit too damn much emotion into it. Money, time, advise - sprinkle liberally - but your "heart" - you're too damn old to part with too much of it!

And why did I say this? Look at your statement: "........If she does try to mess with me then I will decide what I will do as far as payback, although I don't really want to do this I will do what is necessary to seek retribution..........." THAT..... is really BAD shit!! These are the words of one who's truly "smitten!" Do remember that the line between Love and Hate (like other human "feelings" like Pain and Pleasure (S&M?), Hope and Despair, Joy and heartbreak etc etc) is SO FINE. You my friend - are really screwed!! Not gonna take much for you to jump the fine line from true love to true hate and all its destructive forces.

YOu've gotta RIGHT NOW rectify your situation and start enjoying your relationship ON YOUR TERMS as per my previous post. You enjoy the relationship and UNDERSTAND that you are getting as much from the relationship as she's getting from it - and you will know that retribution, payback etc is NOT an option. I mean Christ - lighten up a bit.... no lighten up a LOT my friend - this relationship with her cannot and will not be the "one and for all times" love of your life (consider the circumstances!!) So just enjoy it for what its worth. And what is she doing to you that's SOOOOO bad that you're already thinking retribution etc???

Just my very humble opinion - and like I repeat for the 3rd time (showing my age here!!) - I am NOT trying to cause offense.

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Wordsofwisdom]Thanks for the several suggestions that people have given me regarding my earlier post on this matter. I need to make a few things clear;

1. I have been around a while and have never contemplated this situation before but she really does seem genuine.

2. If she isn't then I can accept this....my big head is thinking ! I haven't spent lots of money really and she can't speak any English so it is "free" Chinese with some nice perks thrown in! Especially her cooking and good morning smile.

3. If she does try to mess with me then I will decide what I will do as far as payback, although I don't really want to do this I will do what is necessary to seek retribution.

4. The main problem seems to be her complete lack of experience and lack of awareness of life and if she is faking this then she truly deserves an Oscar for her consistently good performance.

So time will tell and in the meantime I am able to take well meaning criticisms from other people and try to be objective about the future.

Not all girls are the same and I am more optimistic than many other people here it seems.

The least I can do is keep you guys posted about the outcome....so lessons can be learned either way.[/QUOTE]I've been around a bit too and have been exposed to lots of young and nubile Chinese girls in their late teens and early twenties, mostly college students. Apart from that, I've had my share of young working girls too. And the age difference in my case is huge, but it seems to matter not a twit with these young people.

In my experience, young Chinese girls are naive as hell, emotionally four or five years younger than their western counterparts of the same age, and live in a netherworld of tradition and western influence that pressures them enormously and makes them almost schizophrenic. They are steeped in Chinese stories of heartbreak and tragedy and live very active fantasy lives.- almost like western girls in Catholic schools.

These boards often overlook that working girls.- whatever their motives, backgrond or age.- are people too. I've met more than a few who get into the business because it's the only job they can find or some boyfriend had them and left them sans cherry in an environment where virginity is still very highly prized for a respected marriage.

So, it's not surprising that you've found an innocent one.- albeit in a lousy place. The hard part is to decide who you want to be for the girl: lover, savior, father figure, grandfather figure, counselor or halfway house. But that's true in any age defying relationship.

Kind is an all-to-common word in China with a more powerful meaning than in the west. Just be kind to this kid.- give her a good memory and some good experiences whatever happens and don't let these boards corrupt your soul or hers.

Went to try and sign up for a subscription.

And I just realized my credit card expired this month (Yes, I don't use it that often). Now I have to wait until a new one arrives :(

Regardless- I'm curious if there are better times to go to some of parlours or BBSes. I imagine during the evening on any day might be limit your choices some (or severely, if on the weekend), as that's how things usually go when people are free. With that said, what might be the best choice for me and my friend tonight then?

I've read something about ZY BBS being a good introductory for beginners, anyone care to expand? I promise I'll come back with a review- even if it's been done before.

[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]It seems like the management has changed.

Was there tonight. Had No 30. She gave a first class massage and HJ was ok. I believe she wanted to indicate that I could fuck her for a surcharge, but I was not up to that and did not ask what exactly for how much. Surprisingly she refused a tip after the massage. Then, they didn't offer the free foot massage any more and also refused to give me Fapiao. But, for RMB228 it is still a good bargain.[/QUOTE]Was there yesterday, nothing seems changed to me. Good service as always, she accepted (small) tip and I was offered foot massage. They are constructing in the building but thats all I could notice as difference

[QUOTE=Gao Xing]Interesting. I was there a week ago on a Friday. Had to wait a while for a girl. The massage was okay. Nowhere near as good as No. 25 that I had a few weeks ago. That girl (#25) did the blow-in-your-ear-and-show-you-her-crotchless-panties deal. But last week (I don't remember the number), no tip was accepted, and the foot massage was offered at the end. I'll check it out this weekend and see if it's the same as Beijing Fox reported.[/QUOTE]Been to this place before, i advice no 38, very stunning girl, but be careful, she is a "you touch you pay" girl ! Also open to extra fun outside this massage place.

PF

Hi

To add to earlier report, I also visited Shanghai Hotel on Sunday 19th only to be told that no SPECIAL Massage available! That was about 10.30 pm.

In addition to the GP at the weekend there is also the Motor Show a boat Show and Macau week in Shanghai and the place is heaving so suspect the police are clamping down for the duration!

However I did get in at Sacrosa a few days earlier and will post soon.

Pedro 917

[QUOTE=Ed Heres]I've been around a bit too and have been exposed to lots of young and nubile Chinese girls in their late teens and early twenties, mostly college students. Apart from that, I've had my share of young working girls too. And the age difference in my case is huge, but it seems to matter not a twit with these young people.

In my experience, young Chinese girls are naive as hell, emotionally four or five years younger than their western counterparts of the same age, and live in a netherworld of tradition and western influence that pressures them enormously and makes them almost schizophrenic. They are steeped in Chinese stories of heartbreak and tragedy and live very active fantasy lives.- almost like western girls in Catholic schools.

These boards often overlook that working girls.- whatever their motives, backgrond or age.- are people too. I've met more than a few who get into the business because it's the only job they can find or some boyfriend had them and left them sans cherry in an environment where virginity is still very highly prized for a respected marriage.

So, it's not surprising that you've found an innocent one.- albeit in a lousy place. The hard part is to decide who you want to be for the girl: lover, savior, father figure, grandfather figure, counselor or halfway house. But that's true in any age defying relationship.

Kind is an all-to-common word in China with a more powerful meaning than in the west. Just be kind to this kid.- give her a good memory and some good experiences whatever happens and don't let these boards corrupt your soul or hers.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I also unexpectedly met some real flowers in the trade in several developing countries, including China. Flowers also grow in mud... It's also true that opening one's heart should not prevent from being realistic, which is not so easy.

Well I have arrived in Shanghai and think a visit to Sacrosa is called for, having RTFF I find the area easily and go into the Plaza/Mall (who's name now escapes me) however the Steak house & coffee shop referred to in the posts is in fact outside in an open area.

So by the time I locate the place I am at the rear of the building so enter by the back passage! (excuse the expression) anyway the doorman have seen it all before so decide to have some fun at my expense by showing me a door which leads to the stairs. Now this must be the fire escape so it is pretty grotty and by the time I get to the 5th floor the sweat is pouring off me as it is rather warm. Anyway at least I am at the right place.

But it is even warmer in Sarcosa and the shower is indeed needed! So after leaving all my belongings in a cubicle and having a shower I am given a sort of Kung Fu outfit to wear and shown to a rest room while the girlies are assembled!

5 minutes later and I am shown a selection of 12-15 girls all of which are attractive however the famous #590 is not amongst them and apparently not avaiable. Decisions, decisions so I go for #105 a young looking shapley girl with reasonable bust and pleasant smile. But really I should know better, experience tells me that an older girl with more experience and not necessarily a good looker nearly always provides a much better time. However the little chap is getting twitchy so common sense goes out the window.

As I am in there before 17.00 hours the price is Yuan 550 after 17.00 hours it goes up to Yuan 780.

Anyway #105 now takes me to a pleasant bedroom and a good time is had by all, plenty of kissing, BBBJ, DATY etc however I would say that the act itself was rather painfull, by no means am I hung like a donkey but a combination of small Chinese condom and a tight pussy nearly made my eyes water! I had my own supply of condoms but these were of course now in the locker!

So in summary Sacrosa seems a safe well run establishment with a good selection of girls at a fixed price. It is also very difficult to tip the girls as your cash is in the locker and once you are dressed you are shown to a payment area in reception to settle up so no opportunity to pay a tip if you wanted to but also more importantly no opportunity to get ripped off.

As for #105 a nice girl, reasonable pop, nice breasts and figure but nothing special.

Pedro 917

Was given some cards outside the hotel with the following numbers on them.

Tianshi Massage Centre
1347267337 (Contact Miss Lulc)
13636616673(Contact Miko)
15801898155

24 hour service to your hotel room, 80 Yuan per hour is claimed on the card, This is for the basic massage. FS will cost more obviously, duno exact prices.

Had her tonight, pretty decent though not stunning. Best move was getting the free foot massage BEFORE the action. Next time trying 30. Got a look at her and she looks like a playful one indeed.

[QUOTE=Ed Heres]

In my experience, young Chinese girls are naive as hell, emotionally four or five years younger than their western counterparts of the same age, and live in a netherworld of tradition and western influence that pressures them enormously and makes them almost schizophrenic. They are steeped in Chinese stories of heartbreak and tragedy and live very active fantasy lives.. Almost like western girls in Catholic schools.

These boards often overlook that working girls.. Whatever their motives, backgrond or age.. Are people too. [/QUOTE]Come one people, most girls in China are naive and dream about marriage. I'd say 85% of them. Of course, in Shanghai and especially in a BBS it might be a little different, but all of us who know young Chinese girls know they get married at 25 / 25, usualy with their first or second boyfriend ever, pay a potograph to do pictures "like the stars" (which by the way is ridiculous) and show them to everyone they see. Then they get into the "babies" pictures etc.

In short they have the sentimental maturity of a 17 year old occidental, or better said, of your mother when she was young. Times have changed in western countries, but girls used to be like that here too.

Anyway, these girls are really easy to pull off because basically they're very naive and Chinese guys are so lame (I'm sorry but it's just the way it is) at the game that they are not used to being seduced, so they don't resist much. (Iy can take them months before they kiss a girl).

But on the downside, getting rid of them can be really complicated, and you can easily hurt them because their level of expectation is somwhere between Disneyland and Heaven = unrealistic.

So act with caution, it can get ugly and whatever you do you'll end up being the ugly bad foreigner that dumped a poor innocent girl.

Second thing: if you date a young Chinese girl, chances are a guy was already "waiting" for her. Most girls have their own "stalker", a guy that she met in High School or University and who is convinced that sincerity and time will end up showing the girl their true value. So basically they ca wait for years and traditionnally end up getting the girl when she feels down, get dumped or can't find a husband. Very common un China.

As I said before, these guys can wait months, years before even trying to hold the girl's hand, so when you arrive and get her in your bed in a matter of days, the Geeks / Stalkers usually get VERY VERY mad. So careful, in some cases they might want to fight. They're usually not very strong, but you don't want to get into any kind of trouble so if a guy gets in the way. When I was at unversity I ended up challenging a guy at Street Fighter. They assume that occidental people suck at computer games, so I ended up crushing him in front of all of his friends. His lost his face and never showed up again.

1 Ask the girl about these guys

2 Tell her it makes you feel uncomfortable and explain

3 Don't rush things

4 If the guys show up too much, just tell the girl you don't want to see her again. She will usually cry, then tell the guy to fuck off and get lost, call you in tears to get back togethern and you will probably never seer about him again.

[QUOTE=Onadlos]Come one people, most girls in China are naive and dream about marriage. I'd say 85% of them. Of course, in Shanghai and especially in a BBS it might be a little different, but all of us who know young Chinese girls ....................Anyway, these girls are really easy to pull off because basically they're very naive and Chinese guys are so lame (I'm sorry but it's just the way it is) at the game that they are not used to being seduced, so they don't resist much. ................and you can easily hurt them because their level of expectation is somwhere between Disneyland and Heaven = unrealistic..............So act with caution, it can get ugly and whatever you do you'll end up being the ugly bad foreigner that dumped a poor innocent girl.[/QUOTE]
Glad that you've pointed some basic truths about the "dating equation" in China and if you don't mind - would like to offer my further take and perspective on this.

First - it is usually NOT good to generalize. Yes, I know that you said 85% etc - but readers here - especially those who's never been to China - or even Asia - is gonna take it at face value and come here with expectations of being able to go fishing in a barrel!! And chances are that these newbies are gonna end up with the "other 15%" as these ARE the very gals who are on the look-out for "opportunities."

Further your and Ed Herres' opinion that the Chinese gals (the 85%) are just soooooo innocent is perhaps also misleading. To me, Chinese gals have way more maturity than their Western counterpart - albeit on and for different "values." I'm talking about *Filial Piety, *Responsibility to Family (to most selling their bodies just to fulfill this), *Actual Plans and willingness to undergo any and all hardship to achieve what they want in life. *Single minded determination to better their lot.

Naïve….? I don’t think so! And in lots of cases, even abrogating their own feelings/values just to achieve what they want. Are you and Ed sure that the gals you met are not doing precisely this – Close eyes, brace, do whatever needed to snare these unmarried, foreign passport holding, wealthy and young guys? Watch out you guys – you may think you’re dealing with “a gal with the maturity of a 17 year old.” But are you REALLY??

On the other side of the equation, I would also like to caution you against taking too much advantage of Chinese maidens. Yes, I was once young also and also love being able to count off another conquest; but really, in China – the odds are just stacked way too much in our favor. And I would like to remind you that Mother Nature will frown if you’re only doing this – reeling off another one night stand and/or just to satisfy your carnal desires. You are dealing with REAL persons here – one who’s also got feelings, have pride and dignity – and one who’s comparatively just so much lower on the economic totem pole. Me-thinks that it’s not very nice and too unconscionable. If on the other hand, your “Intentions are Honorable,” then I say – go right ahead.

I apologize to you and one and all for being judgmental/practically proselytizing – but even your statement “…….Chinese guys are so lame (I'm sorry but it's just the way it is) at the game that they are not used to being seduced……” Points out to how unequal the whole equation is. NOT nice to take too much advantage – karma and all that!
[QUOTE]
Second thing: if you date a young Chinese girl, chances are a guy was already "waiting" for her. Most girls have their own "stalker

1 Ask the girl about these guys

2 Tell her it makes you feel uncomfortable and explain

3 Don't rush things

4 If the guys show up too much, just tell the girl you don't want to see her again. She will usually cry, then tell the guy to fuck off and get lost, call you in tears to get back togethern and you will probably never seer about him again.[/QUOTE]
Now this is the second thing that y’all really got to watch out for. You make it sound that this complication about boyfriends is sooooo easy to take care of. Well, let met tell you, in most cases – IT AIN”T and can easily get you in deep shit or even worse!

Face, my friend – Face is all important to all of us, but more so in China. I read how you disposed of your “rival” by defeating him at a computer game (Street fighter) and I really really shake my head!! Good God Almighty – you’re outlining childish games – whilst things that involve “Matters of the heart and face” are way more serious. Crimes of passion – these are always grizzly and violent.

Sorry for going on and on – and of course all above only IMHO

SEAJ