LOL London or Londonestan?
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1808859]But to each his own. I've never been a fan of massage parlors or FKK type spas, etc. , so the lack of those types of establishments doesn't bother me.
The escort and AW scene is great if (like me) that's your pleasure. On a recent trip I had AW or agency outcall dates with 11 girls who were new / unknown to me (plus 2 dates with an old favorite I've known for several years). Of those 11 unknowns, I turned away 2 upon arrival - one because photos were way off (she was pretty hefty IRL), and the other only because of poor attitude. She was hot as hell but a real * from the get-go. Maybe I'm easy to please, or maybe I just have good luck. Either way, I personally love London for P4 P.
Past visits have been just as successful for me, and I can't wait for another opportunity to visit![/QUOTE]As you say, But to each his own. I find the recent comments about mongering in London rather amusing and I am sure it was banter and wasn't a serious assesment of mongering in London.
And the most amusing was The "Sex Travel Warning" to would be Overseas visitors who are thinking of mongering in London.
Comments such as.
If you are from outside the UK reading this. Come to London for the sights - . If you want a sex trip, avoid London completely. It is possibly the worst city in the world for mongering." Seriously?
And why shouldn't the millions of tourists who visit London combine the sights such as Big Ben with sex afterwards?
As for London "the worst city in the world for mongering" LOL it makes it sound as another city called Londonestan where Sharia Law is in enforced.
UK FKKs and the strange defence mechanism of London mongers
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1809217]If you are into BBBJ and DATY, then the new proposed law in Germany (Condom Duty) re these activities will hit the FKK clubs if it gets passed. In either case its not your loss.
I read exciting comments re a Uk style of FKK club in the North of the UK, got me excited then I read.
LOL it made chuckle[/QUOTE]The proposed new law in Germany is not due to come into effect until 2018 - and it has been debated for several years but never happened. In any event it is simply not capable of being enforced. Can you really imagine the police being able to enter a club, and get as far as the rooms to catch someone in the act without anyone being warned? It is making the Germans laugh on the german forums.
I've spoken to several people about Winstons but got mixed reports. Had two PMs about it which were positive. I've not tried it. Truth is it is too risky. The police have raided it before now and have arrested customers. Seems like police in Yorkshire are a lot more active on prostitution than they are in Lancashire. Maybe the police in Yorkshire are from the same breed as those in the Met!!
The other comments re London mongering. As stated. To each their own. Guys happy with AW, escort sites with very dodgy pictures, photoshopping, Asian MPs, swingers parties and walkups will like London a lot. Those many thousands of guys who like to walk into a venue, see several girls and make a selection (as happens in nearly every other city in the UK) will find London very boring indeed (for mongering). As one commentator (Myrrh) said recently. It is very amusing how fiercely some members of this forum seem to want to protect the reputation of London as a serious mongering destination. I have been to London every week for the past 12 years apart from holidays and remain firmly of the view that it is hopeless for mongering. Others can and may disagree. But I'm entitled to my view, and it is based on a lot of (poor) experiences. It is just SO unreliable. You are as well going into a public phone box and picking up one of the cards advertising girls. If you are deluded enough to think that the girl you'll meet is the one on that advertising card then you won't mind booking a girl off AW or from an escort site and seeing her advertised as stunning size 6 only to find when she turns up that she is sized 12 and not stunning at all. You can get lucky. And you can get very unlucky.
The best way to ensure you are going to have sex with a truly stunning girl in London, is to go to a lap dancing bar, have several dances with a beautiful girl and persuade her to spend time with you outside the club. That way, you have actually seen what you are in for (as you do in brothels outside of London where you can see before you buy). I've managed to do this successfully on multiple occasions. You are not supposed to proposition the girls but they say everyone does and occasionally if they like you enough they'll go for it.
Nothing new, same old same old
[QUOTE=Myrrh;1808095]Whenever London's status as a mongering centre is attacked on this forum there are always staunch proponents who point out that you can always go on to AW or any of the other internet equivalents and within a few mouse clicks have access to more women of different nationalities than pretty much any other city in the world. Then once you have satisfied your lust then you will find that London is a cosmopolitan city with lots more things to do compared to other cities.[/QUOTE]Well, right on cue. I knew it would not take long for one or two of them to be smoked out.
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1808395]
Bang on about the choice and variety in London. Just checked adultwork and it shows in London there are 4308 escorts to choose from
There are brothels as you know that don't advertise on adultwork but have their own sites complete with schedules of girls (4 at one and 3 at another) in central London.
Posted on them here many times before.
For a walk in sex without booking then its about a 20 minutes on the tube to an East End Sauna with a choice of girls open until 6 am. Anyone interested RTFF here, posted on it with the link before.
When mongering is not on the schedule, then a trip this time of the the year is recommended to Winter Wonderland at Hyde Park complete with a Bavarian Village without the FKK clubs and its free entry.
[URL]http://www.hydeparkwinterwonderland.com/[/URL] .[/QUOTE]I don't care if I lose the debate about whether London is a decent mongering city or not as long as there even one useful tit bit of information about a good place to go in London.
However the response seem to be look on google or look through the posts where you will find plenty of links to places. So I go round in circles occasionally finding references to places far out in the East End of London where there are no reviews of whether the girls there are any good.
Before the advent of the internet there used to be a sauna and massage parlour in many suburban areas of London. You would have to pay an entrance fee and then pay for a massage and then negotiate with the girl for something extra when you are in the room. You could end up paying a lot only to find that the girl does not do the 'extras' that you would like or even do any extras at all. Also, having paid to enter you most likely will find that the women are middle aged frumps or otherwise unattractive. But too late, you have already paid.
Besides these places are pretty grotty, poky and dingy and part of a dying industry. Very few of them exist and are in constant threat of being closed down. It just takes one or two guys to complain to the council or the police that they paid for a straight massage at a place advertising as a massage parlour but the girl instead tried to proposition him into having sex and he was offended.
I couldn't find any reviews of girls services on line because these places are not supposed to be offering sex. So in the end you are paying for something but just don't know what you will be getting. With the internet you don't need to do this anymore.
Perhaps the best way to find good sex in London would be to read reviews of escorts before visiting one. However the reviews may be out of date as the girl may have moved on and one guy's idea of attractiveness may not be another's.
The ideal way for me is to visit a large place with 6 or more girls working there. Hopefully there would be reviews of the girls on line in terms of what service they provide. You could look out for a particular girl when you visit or phone in advance to ask if she is working that day. You could also freely converse with the girl to see whether you got on with her and find out for certain exactly what she would do that day. For example some girls may do CIM but only at their discretion. You would then have a fair chance of ending up with a girl that you liked who would do what you want.
The above is what happens when I visit cities in many other countries in the world like Thailand, Germany, Spain, and so on. Pretty much everywhere except London. In many other countries prostitution is illegal but the police rarely take any action unless there are other problems like too young girls, drug dealing or other crime. Whereas in London the police do strictly enforce the law which is that there should be no more than two prostitutes working from the same premises. If there are more than that working at an establishment then that place needs to be genuinely offering a legitimate service like massage and sex is only available unofficially, discreetly and secretly. Makes it difficult to get the sex that you are looking for.
Sounds like a broken record and for the last time.
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1717732]Hi PFI,
You got from me the list for the massage parlors in London, But you told us few weeks ago, not in the center. So you didn't try them.
If you are after incall parlors , Manchester , then you need to read my previous posts on the 2 that I use which are in central London.
Open from 11 am to 8 pm. . Their sites are in my posts. This week they have a total of 6 /7 girls working each day.
Their names & photos are clearly shown.[/QUOTE]I was the one who posted 4 You the links 4 Milton Keynes incalls and told you about about Milton Keynes, Then you came back and claimed you found them doing google search. Again read your previous post.
None of the Brothels that I know of and use in (Central London) have open door policy where any (Tom, Dick, Abdul monger) can just walk in. You need to phone first make a booking with the girl of your choice. And very good job too.
Broken record. Well listen!
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1809540]Originally Posted by Dreams View Original Post.
I have been living here since 30+ years, and explored the world as well. Banged more than 1000 women in more than 30 countries. London remains for those who know one of the best places for mongering, with incredible variable choice. Of course, no comparison with German FKKs or Bangkok, but in the Western world far better than Paris, Rome, let alone all Nordic cities and the US.
In London: Soho walk-ups for 20 , some gems to be found there; anything you fancy on adultwork (want a pregnant Asian girl?: you'll find her); parties (All you can f. In 2 hours); Top level escorts; Cheap HJs in Chinese backrooms; High level sophisticated MPs etc. Cheap strip clubs with gorgeous girls spreading it (FYEO), expensive lap dance clubs for rich corporate people etc.
Where else in the West?
"Originally Posted by Myrrh View Original Post.
Well, right on cue. I knew it would not take long for one or two of them to be smoked out. ".
LOL. That makes it (4) so far and counting. [URL]http://www.smittenbybritain.com/why-we-love-london/[/URL].[/QUOTE]You just don't get it JoJo. The point Myrrh and I are making is actually corroborated by your posts! It is a great city so posting this link above about culture, history etc is not in debate. The post is inappropriate in a sex forum where it is making comments about not taking his 6 year old son to London! It is a great and beautiful city. But the mongering options for men who LIKE TO MAKE A SELECTION IN PERSON is very poor. In NONE of the places you have listed above can you go in and select from 5 or 6 girls. That is the ONLY point Myrrh and I are making. BTW every single service you list above is available freely in Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham, Newcastle. Each has its walk ups. Each has AW girls. Each of them has lots of escorts (not as many as in London. But we've dealt with the risky photoshop issue and the failure by nearly all of the sites to publish negative reviews). Each has its thai massage with HJ endings, each has lap dancing bars. Manchester is probably the swinger capital of the UK. But it ALSO has a LOT of brothels where you can enter, select 1-6 girls having seen them face to face. You refer to similar places in Central London (please don't quote the East End or far flung places out of the centre) which you use. Then list them please. I'm not talking about the many places in London where you select a girl online and then turn up to meet her. There is a place in Paddington advertising Tantra massages and I know there are 4 girls in that flat. But if you book one and turn up and request to see the other girls they refuse. The fact that the police maybe more vigilant in London does not mean such places cannot exist! Prostitution has existed since the beginning of human habitation on this planet. It's not always been legal. But that has never stopped it. There just seems to be no such place in London. But you say there are. So please list them.
So please listen to the (alleged) "broken" record. Nobody is complaining about the list of activities for someone not bothered about choosing a girl face to face. There are lots of them in London. I do not for the life of me understand why some people are SO defensive about London no matter what the facts. I'm a Londoner! It's hopeless for regular brothels where you can choose from 5 or 6 girls. I hope the tune is starting to become recognisable!
Go to lapdance clubs if you want to blow money away
[QUOTE=PayForIt;1809354]The best way to ensure you are going to have sex with a truly stunning girl in London, is to go to a lap dancing bar, have several dances with a beautiful girl and persuade her to spend time with you outside the club. That way, you have actually seen what you are in for (as you do in brothels outside of London where you can see before you buy). I've managed to do this successfully on multiple occasions. You are not supposed to proposition the girls but they say everyone does and occasionally if they like you enough they'll go for it.[/QUOTE]Here is where we disagree PFI (Yes, we are not in collusion against the rest of the posters here on this London thread as might appear).
I have been to London lap dancing clubs like you on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, as everyone knows, you end up spending lots of money for very, very little in return. Each dance will cost typically 20 pounds or more for 3 minutes of dancing. Plus these girls will normally expect you to buy them drinks which can cost from 5 to 25 pounds or more depending on the establishment. Usually they will choose shots which they down in a few seconds and move on if further drinks are not coming.
Then you must add in the door fee of 20 pounds or more. The places that do not have a door fee but are pound-in-a-jug places type actually end up being far more expensive. You are spending a pound every 5 to 10 minutes. So if you spend 4 hours in the place then you end up spending between 25 to 50 pounds or more.
It all adds up so this could be 150 to 200 pounds for an evening spent in the club with no sex and nothing to show for it except for seeing naked girls dancing up close, conversation, hugs, a girl brushing up against you a few times and a couple of pecks on the cheek. Often when the girls charge 20 pounds for a dance they do not dance much closer to you than they do on stage. So you are spending 20 times more for not much difference.
As for sex, it is not allowed on premises. It could happen however the club could lose its licence and now almost all clubs have roving bouncers checking the private rooms on a regular basis. A few years ago a friend of mine disappeared into a private room for 30 minutes and boasted that he had got a hand job and a blow job (with condom). But he had to pay 400 pounds for that pleasure for a VIP room with obligatory champagne jug. For that sort of money he could have had full unhurried sex with an escort / brothel girl in different positions plus other extras like BBBJ, CIM in a proper bed room and do it again on 3 or 4 different occasions.
In fact most clubs have a strict no touching rule when it comes to the girls or you are ejected. I once came out of a lapdancing club to see police tape cordoning off the entrance and a lot of blood on the floor. These places have lots of silly little rules and fist first think later bouncers.
PFI is right. Girls do occasionally go with the guys but it is very occasional and so few and far between to not be worth counting on. On the numerous occasions that I have been to clubs I have only seen it a handful of times where the guy and the girl are exchanging numbers. It happens so rarely that the other girls will usually notice and point it out. Almost always the guy has been spending shed loads of money. Lots of drinks for the girls, lots of dances.
But that is only the start. You would then have to take things from there. This could mean meeting the girl for a meal on her off night and negotiating a fee. That would probably mean buying her dinner and paying for her time (including the time when she is eating the meal).
As for going off with the girl on the night itself you would normally need to wait until the end of the night. Why would she want to leave early when she is earning 20 pounds for 3 minutes of work? Then she would be probably tired from all that dancing and so would want to sleep and you would be paying for her sleeping time.
Most of these girls, especially the East European ones, have 'boyfriends' or handlers who pick them up at the end of the night and most of their money goes to them. So they won't go with guys no matter what they offer.
I have seen guys proposition girls and the girls rudely shout out "You want to have what with me?" to deliberately embarrass the guy. Other times I have seen a guy spend loads of money on a girl hoping for something at the end of the night but then when he is completely wasted, horny and looking for a happy ending to round off the night she makes her excuses and leaves alone or with the other girls.
I saw one guy talking with a girl and he told me that she had offered to go with him for 300 pounds. There is one girl who I have had lots of dances with in one club. After several visits she said that she would go with me to a local hotel. So I would have to pay for a central London hotel stay as well as hundreds of pounds for her.
Rogues have noticed the gap in the market and nowadays you will see groups of charming African guys hanging outside lapdancing clubs offering to take you for a guaranteed happy ending elsewhere. The bouncers can't stop them from loitering outside but they normally warn patrons not to go with these guys because you don't know what you are getting. Most likely you will get tricked, ripped off or violently robbed.
Even if a lapdancing girl agrees to go with a guy there is no guarantee that she will be any good. She may appear friendly in the club and you might click but in the room she could be amateurish, unskilled and refuse to do some services like BBBJ. Going to a lapdancing club and bringing a girl home could be a boost to your ego as it is just like going to a normal club, getting drunk chatting a girl up and then getting lucky at the end of the night.
Given that they make enough money already from lapdancing most lapdancing girls (the minuscule number that do go with guys) will not go with a guy unless there is some compatibility and the guy is not totally repulsive. But just like pulling in a club there is no guarantee that the sex will be any good. However unlike a normal club you end up spending hundreds of pounds.
Nevertheless guys still have the illusion that they can go to a lapdancing club, get turned on and then take the girl of their choice away for sex at the end.
Going to a lapdancing club just to drink and watch naked women on stage is often not a satisfactory option. When the girls are not on stage there is very little to entertain you. You can watch the scantily clad girls walking around but even that becomes boring after a while. The girls will come up and chat to you and try to entice you for a dance. It is quite nice to get a girl caressing you, rubbing themselves against you and begging you for a dance. If you are new to a club then all the girls will proposition you in the hope that you will be a regular customer of their services and you could milk this for a while. You try and see how long you can keep a girl hanging on to your arm and chatting you up in the expectation of a dance. But if you never go for dances then the word will quickly get round and very soon the girls will just be rudely blanking you and you will feel like the most loneliest person as the girls talk to everyone around you but pointedly ignore you.
If you do go for dances with the girls then the girls will expect you go do this every time you visit. If you have had many dances with one girl that girl will see you as a soft touch and will pester you even more for a dance. Conversely some girls will be very friendly before but once they have given you a dance will callously ignore you because they reckon that having had one dance you probably won't have another. They also have short memories. If you have had lots of dances on previous visits but don't have dances on your most recent visit then they will soon start ignoring you as if you have never given them any money at all before in the past.
Most of the dancers consider their customers to be fools. If you don't give them any money they will hate you but deep down respect you because they are money oriented and would never waste it in the same way as they see their stupid customers do. I have seen on a couple of occasions a girl who has finished her shift waiting in her dowdy street clothes, jeans and anorak, at a bus stop. At another club the bouncer would point out a souped up Audi sports car parked out in front of the club which belong to one of the girls "that is where your money is going, mate!" he would gleeful say.
Lapdancing clubs are not a means in themselves for sex on a regular basis unless you have lots of money that you are willing to sprinkle around like confetti. But then again some girls will only pursue that option only if you are young and good looking as well (so they get to mix business with a little bit of pleasure). But if you are young, fit and loaded then wouldn't you be better off taking your chances in the nightclubs? The only advantage of the lapdancing club is that you get to see what the girls look like without their clothes before you take them home. But then the girls may look fit but no guarantee that they will go with you even for inflated prices.
The best way to use lapdancing clubs I think is to identify your place for the happy ending in advance before you go there. Like from Adultwork or an escort agency. Then go to the lap dancing club for a few drinks, chat with the girls and see a few naked gyrations. Then once turned on go away and get your oats at your designated happy ending place. A few years ago when street walking was tolerated I used to go to one or two lapdancing bars so I could have an evening out. Then once in the mood pick up a SW from a nearby street to get the instant gratification I needed. Sadly streetwalkers have vanished and the action is a lot less spontaneous nowadays. Now if you turn up at a place, like what you found on AW, all horny and ready to go then the girl might be busy with another customer and you will have to spend time waiting around for her to become available. This could kill some of the passion.
