Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Henry R]I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?[/QUOTE]

Many of them are at Balcony. But Balcony just can't handle the volume. It is nowhere near as large as the area of Help/TA and the surrounding area. So at Balcony, the place gets completely packed, and it spills out all around. Also, since there is no giant disco, you are pretty much stuck outside with no place to sit if you get there late.

It's just different, but if you go, you will see a lot of familiar faces. I hope this is not see as more "wining". BTW, what's wrong with wining?

[QUOTE=Christopherd] ...

So I try to check out Caligula Whisky Club, a mid-price terma, just before Bandeira (there´s also a terma just as you get to Mimosa, but I´m not keen on it). Caligula Whisky Club is shut however (6pm-ish, Thur - for anyone who feels like checking it out). It´s on Pereira de Almeida. Take Rua Matoso from the south side of Praca Bandeira then, at the next junction, take the left fork straight ahead which is Pereira de Almeida. The Whisky Club is No.73 and on the right hand side. I´d expect to pay about 100R but can´t recall a field report recently so maybe someone will visit and let us know the up to date info.

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Checked it out the other day and found it open at 5:30 on a week day. It is now called Templo 73 Club (Rua Pereira de Almeida, 73). I didn't stay because of lack of time, but physically, it looked pretty nice with an awning from the entry out to the street. There were nice, decent-looking people running it. I looked inside the boitche and although dark, it looked clean, with three or four garotas were sitting around.

Here is what I could find out. Entrance is 30R, and probably includes some beers, but I am not sure. Then they had 3 levels of rooms/service? 25, 30 and 35 R, I think. It was not clear, but I guess this is just the room and there is a separate garota charge? Sorry, I forgot to get this key piece of information. If someone would like to call to clear up these details, they list their phone numbers as 3217 3373 and 2502 8001. My Portuguese is just not good enough. I suspect it might be a very good option if you are in the neighborhood. The fact is, Praca Bandeira is a pretty long hike from Zona Sul. Now, if you are downtown already, that is a different situation.

They were very keen that I come in, saying they had a big festa going on with a strip show. I think they said there was a second floor. The place was decorated with balloons so it looked like something might happen. I guess it is under new management and has had some renovation, but I just didn't have time to do a full investigation.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Before you get flamed by mongers who are in touch with their feminine side... Yes, this is a good tatic! If you went DATY on a garota and started spitting pussy juice all over the place...it wouldn't go over so well in reverse. I wanted to do this at NS Copa 583 last year, but I'm too nice to disrespect a girl like that, even if she's a cheap ho.[/QUOTE]Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill] No, I agree, the world is moving that direction. In fact, it is hard to construct a reasonable political argument to support prostitution. The only one that seems to work is the "right to work" type of justification like they use in the Netherlands. That turns it into sort of a union thing which is not exactly what most of us have in mind.[/QUOTE]Actually, it's quite easy. The problem is, you can't argue that the world is round to people who believe in a flat Earth. When your opponents decide that they are going to go on faith alone, rational arguements make no impact.

It is a simple and well-proven fact that a well-administered sex work scene which is focused on protecting workers' rights is a safer scene than the illegal one prohibition creates.

Arguing this, however, is like trying to argue that pot should be legalized. Any way you cut it, pot is far less harmful than most legal drugs. The "just say no" dogma, however, makes it impossible to have a rational debate on this topic with many. Maybe most. People.

So with prostitution.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?[/QUOTE]Some folks seem to equatr masculinity with being an asshole, just like many feminists do.

[QUOTE=Henry R]I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?[/QUOTE]Rio is finished (actually it is finished since long). Every dump from Macapa to Porto Alegre sends it's hottest and finest to Sao Paulo for a chance at Bright Lights Big City. The money and the best boites are in Sao Paulo, not in fucking Rio.

By the way, as a reminder, there is in Sao Paulo the best freelancer club on the planet in the history of mankind (Love Story), so why crying over Help closure?

[QUOTE=Rio Me Ever]Many went to Europe.[/QUOTE]Did they? Many? Where - if you are talking from first-hand experience having spent time in the E.U. since Help has closed. Many have abandoned Spain. Some in Italy. Some in Germany.

day 12 – recharging the batteries

after the girls left, i crashed for another 4 hours, and woke up feeling great. but instead of going out to cause trouble, i spent a quiet day recharging my batteries. the girls were back at 1130, and i was hoping to get the best performance out of them yet.

session 1 – the girls were on time. i put them into a 69, and banged renata from behind. brenda was armed with a vibrator, and wasn't afraid to put it to good use. i rolled renata over to missionary after a few minutes, with brenda continuing to work her over, with more kisses and attention to her nipples. renata finished with me daty and brenda driving the toy. we switched our attentions over to brenda, and got her off quickly in the same manner daty, toy). brenda went to clean up, so i 69ed with renata and upgraded the toy to a big one. brenda came back and drove the toy, and renata came in record time as i pushed a finger into her ass. renata cleaned up, and i was 69ing and toying with brenda. she gets off easy, but she is insatiable. so she jumped on me cowgirl and got off again. with renata back, the girls double-teamed me bbbjcim.

day 13. 4x4, florida, balcony

we had a lazy morning in bed. brenda wanted her morning sex. you have to love this girl. then the girls packed up and we headed to the beach sans bikini for brenda. she paid for what she bought on the beach, and it was pretty spectacular. hving the bikini sales guy loiter in our area was nice too – he attracted some nice eye candy. we ate, drank, tanned, read books, and in general were just another three people on the beach. the eye candy was nice, with two or three gdps in the area and some non-gdps that were equally nice décor. one of the gdps was a friend of brenda's so she wandered back and forth talking, raiding the french fries, and flirting with me. the beach guy tried to hit me with the usual outrageous gringo prices, but i sicced my accountant (renata is not a gdp) on the problem and let her sort it out. even after the price was put in the ballpark, she argued another r10 off the bill. amazingly, we went third-sies on the bill, with each of us chipping in on the food, etc. i was quite pleasantly surprised.

the best laid plans of mice and men, dave did not come thru with the double date. so i headed down to centro and 4x4. the petite spinner was still mad at me for daring to session with another girl (give me a break), but i did repeat with april.

session 1. was this the same girl? we gabbed like we were old friends. in the cabine, she wanted to focus on me. she gave a decent bbbj, and we rolled thru cowgirl and missionary. but she was on a mission. i got her to relax, lie back, and did her ass scissors and lazy doggie. she finished me bbbj. it wasn't bad, but despite our increased familiarity outside the bedroom, inside it was a notch down from the first session.

session 2 – rubi, a bigger blonde girl with nice big ds, a friendly face (6. 5), a pretty tight body(8). after the experience with april, i went back to making sure the girl was very happy. after she got off twice, she jumped back on the program and wanted to get me off quickly. again, i got her to calm down so that i could enjoy myself banging her ass. she finished me bbbj; i didn't really give her a chance to jump on for cim, but she didn't lunge for me like many of the others once i started coming.

on the way home, i made a few stops. club florida was not worth the r10 admission. the facility is nice, but the place was dead. six girls, one kinda cute, one do-able, almost no customers. so after just a few minutes, i headed back to copa. balcony was probably the best yet, with three cute spinners and a few new faces that were worth checking out. i didn't take anything home, as i was expecting delivery.

session 3 – renata and brenda. renata arrived at midnight, and we went for a walk on the beach. she is pretty uptight, but likes the romantic accents in the time we spend together. after heading back to the room we had a very nice time being gentle and making love vice fucking like bunnies. she has a hard time orgasming, but this was working out very well. then brenda arrived at around 2 am, but i wasn't finisted with renata yet. after bbbj and me boffing brenda hello, we went to work on getting the biggest orgasm out of renata yet. i kept the pace slow and took her in the ass. brenda played with her breasts, bit her neck, played with her pussy and in general gets a big assist for this one. then brenda literally said "my turn to come". we did the same things, but this time i upped the intensity two notches. they then did the usual team up on me then, bbjcim. renata settled in to sleep at around 430 am, and i kept going with brenda until she came twice more. she gives a great bbbj, but i was shooting blanks by then. we went to sleep about 30 minutes later. about three hours later, i had a morning erection, brenda decided to use this opportunity, and we were back to the races for 45 minutes of working through every position known to man.

day 14 – another trip to 4x4

the girls woke up at 1 pm and pulled out as the cleaning lady rolled in. i never got to re-session with renata one-on-one, which is bad, because i was looking forward to continuing to get her to break free. i suspect that she is capable of squirting and of having rolling orgasms, and wanted to push her boundaries for, er, scientific purposes.

i had no plans, so i headed back to 4x4 to session with two girls that interested me. both danced the night before, and looked fine. they were both slender, both had disproportionately large natural boobs in great shape.

session 1 – fany, 23, dark skinned mulato, great face (8. 5) great body (9), tall, the cup, tiny waist. she is the 2nd best dancer at 4x4 – you can't miss her. i focused on her most of the session. and she enjoyed the daty attention. she is vocal and was more than pleased to express when i was pushing the right buttons. i got more safados for her earth shaking orgasm than any other girl this trip. we didn't really fuck all that much – she took me cowgirl, and missionary, then lazy doggie, and anal lazy doggie, which worked much better for me – as the end of the trip draws near, i am running out of steam. fany was wonderful to be with. she is very popular with the guys – if at first you do not see her, she is off sessioning with someone.

session 2 – lorraine, 36, white skinned, good face (7. 5), great body (8. 5), see cup, tiny waist, petite spinner class. she is the best dancer at 4x4 – you can't miss her. she looks much younger (she is markedly better looking than the average 20-something at 4x4. she also has fun at work, and it shows. i really focused on her, as my gun had not recharged after fany. lorraine too was more vocal than girls on earlier days. she wanted oral, demanded finger penetration, and when she was close, took her orgasm into her own hands and finished herself off. she's another of those girls that plateaus out quickly, so i was able to prolong her orgasm out over a minute. her 36 year old speed breaks work well. she had the 2nd or 3rd tightest pussy of this trip. when she was closing on her first orgasm, she was able to grind the fingering to a halt. a little quality lube later, i was able to get her off. hmmm, i should have switched order between fany and lorraine. when it was my turn to get off, i went from frottage to anal lazy doggie. we still had time, so i gave her a halfway decent back massage, which earned me a "friends for life" button. she is picture shy, sorry about that guys.

the renata/brenda team are inbound. i'll forgo any further detailed reporting on these two. you already get the gist of what it's like to be with these two, and report by exception when i pull together the day 15 report.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?[/QUOTE]

I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl at NS Copa by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy, that's *respect* for someone who is genuinely laying it all out and just being herself without the pretense or hangups of a poseur.

Ask yourself, if you were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to have visited any of the places in Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.

As for all this other talk about Copa, if guys are getting caught up in Copa and never getting out, they are missing most of the girls and almost all of the Rio experience! Of my 28 girls reported in the last year, only 5 were in Copa. It's easy outside Copa too. I was just skimming the surface of Centro and Norte with no problem finding hundreds of doable girls. I haven't even ventured to Niteroi, Bonsucesso, but expect hundreds more off the beaten path. It's fun mongering up in the old city, just think..300 years ago the Portuguese safados were probably hunting for the GDP's up and down these same streets and alleys, perhaps the GDP ancestors of today's GDP's. You can't get that feel in Copa.

If Copa does 'close' for mongering, I doubt that girls just have the ho knocked out of them and go straight because their favorite place closed up. How could one ever walk away from such a fast-money lifestyle? HIV? (No) Pregnancy? (For a while). Cash windfall? (Perhaps) Got religion? (They already have it) Certainly I hope not just because the gringo watering holes were off limits. In most of the places that I monger, I don't see gringos, but the places are hopping and flourishing. Much like P4P in Tokyo, the P4P culture in Rio doesn't need foreigners or a centralized scene to sustain itself or its 'look the other way' acceptance.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy. It's sex, natural and shouldn't be complicated with all the hangups that people put into our heads.

Ask yourself, if *you* were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to visit Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.

As for all this other talk about Copa, if guys are getting caught up in Copa and never getting out, they are missing most of the girls and almost all of the city experience. Of my 28 girls reported in the last year, only 5 were in Copa and I was just skimming the surface of Centro and Norte. I haven't even ventured to Niteroi, Bonsucesso, etc. It's fun mongering up in the old city, just think..300 years ago the Portuguese safados were probably hunting for the GDP's up and down these same streets and alleys, perhaps the GDP ancestors of today's GDP's. You can't get that feel in Copa.[/QUOTE]If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.

You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?

Lastly, I also read these guys go on and on about Copa changing. Hell, Brazil is changing. The world is changing. I personally have no issue with developing nations and women become more empowered and having increasing choices. I personally never felt like I needed to hold someone down to prop myself up. As a member of the human race, I view some reshuffling of wealth and opportunities as a great thing. It seems like some here only view the world through monger glasses. It is their right to do so, however pathetic I think that may be. (And, oh yeah, not all "hos" have babies)

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl at NS Copa by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy, that's *respect* for someone who is genuinely laying it all out and just being herself without the pretense or hangups of a poseur.

Ask yourself, if you were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to have visited any of the places in Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.[/QUOTE]Now I understand you are in the same business. So all your clients are happy are they? In that case you have earned the right. LOL!

[QUOTE=Hughdad]If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.

You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?

Lastly, I also read these guys go on and on about Copa changing. Hell, Brazil is changing. The world is changing. I personally have no issue with developing nations and women become more empowered and having increasing choices. I personally never felt like I needed to hold someone down to prop myself up. As a member of the human race, I view some reshuffling of wealth and opportunities as a great thing. It seems like some here only view the world through monger glasses. It is their right to do so, however pathetic I think that may be. (And, oh yeah, not all "hos" have babies)[/QUOTE]

Wow, where to start.

PP, concerning your post on work ethics which started this, it is interesting to see Calvinism applied to the ladies trade. Probably not going to happen on a large scale. They offer a service, you decide if you want to buy. That is just the way it is. The idea that there are multitudes of women just waiting to swallow for us is absurd. How often does anyone pull that off the street without paying? Also, in my opinion, you are over the line on respectful language. Use of the term *ho* and the context seems to violate the spirit of the board.

Now on globalization, I have no problem with that. However, I can't help but be a little nostalgic when some things disappear that I had enjoyed. I know there is a little contradiction in this, but all of us who participate have this same contradiction. Nobody wants to hold people down just for our fun, but, if girls don't need the job, believe me, almost all would choose something else. So there is that dilemma and most of us deal with it by, consciously or not, saying I didn't cause this, it is already here, might as well join in the fun.

People can argue they are the lazy ones who don't want to work in a regular job and that is one facet of the issue. Another is that they are those who want more and are willing to work in undesirable jobs to get it. Sounds like the America system in that light. The truth is, there are all kinds. To paint them with one brush is entirely inaccurate. You will run into the kind that will rip you off and on the other end of the spectrum, find those who are just frightened little girls. One from Balcony the other day told me how dangerous she thought her work is. Once she learned she was safe, she became a different person, very vulnerable. They are people. The denigration people use to characterize them as a lower form is really an excuse for why it is ok to treat them a certain way.

Rio as a mongering destination. This will probably create a loud discussion, but, in my opinion, Rio has never been such, not on a world scale like Thailand or the Philippines. There has always been a local scene and some foreigners have discovered it and enjoyed. The only real sign that it was starting to become a destination was the emergence of Help which started as a locals scene, attracted a foreign audience and started to grow. When it got too big, they killed it.

VM, the mongering pride of Rio, is pitiful on a world scale. Just think of Patpong Road, Soi Cowboy, etc. all of the streets in Bangkok that are filled with tourists. Now that is a mongering destination. In my opinion, Rio is for the Cariocas and others have come in, which is fine. But I don't think there has been enough tourism to really change it. Note that PP says he never runs into gringos when he is out of Zona Sul and I agree. Those of us who are nostalgic, I guess, hope it does not get to be a mongering destination because that would likely ruin it, at least for those who know as it has been.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]To paint them with one brush is entirely inaccurate... They are people. The denigration people use to characterize them as a lower form is really an excuse for why it is ok to treat them a certain way.[/QUOTE]Well stated. Unfortunately there will always be those that will want to be the "big mac daddy" and act a certain way with the working ladies, and then talk a good game for the fellas.

Of course, you can't put any group of individuals under one classification. They are individuals. And there are individual businesses run by indivdual people, but there is a tendancy for guys here to say "they don't know how to conduct business in Brazil."

[QUOTE=Fred100]Now I understand you are in the same business. So all your clients are happy are they? In that case you have earned the right. LOL![/QUOTE]Is he saying what I think he is saying? He's a "Man ho"?

[QUOTE=Hughdad]If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.

You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?[/QUOTE]The man calls himself 'puta playa'. it isn't like he hasn't been upfront about what he is / does. as for safe-sex, would anyone compos mentis do half the things he's recounted if they didn't have already a disease? it's a big tent, like it or not.