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[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2843518]As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?[/QUOTE]I used to be a one shot guy too. But I had tremendous stamina in my recent sugar trip. At least for me, it looked like just having sex more frequently gives me more stamina.
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2843860]No specific advice. I don't (yet) use any meds. Recently, I asked the seniors about Cialis and looks like there are side effects. Given I am in the US, I would need prescription. Not worth the hassle.
I just follow healthy habits. Quit smoking (was occasional smoker anyway) 10 years ago, eat healthy (no fries, no meat, no high fat food), exercise regularly and intensely (I am a sportsman, anyway), no soda (yes, I have had at most 5 coke cans in last 20 years), minimal alcohol (drinks when with girls).
I guess tht dose the trick but, frankly speaking, I simply thank the stars. Doing above doesn't mean good performance. Just lucky bastard, I guess.
Although, I'm curious about Cialis. Want to try and see what more it does to me. Will try and post someday.[/QUOTE]Yes you need a prescription but super easy to get online. Go to your local Walmart or pharmacy that has a blood pressure device (or buy one they are not expensive) and get your blood pressure. Then do an online consult. I use K Health and like them. You will have a prescription in about 15 minutes and just a few days for it to arrive at your door. It's not even expensive. Only side effect for me is minor flushing and red eyes. I use Lumify for the red eye and it kills it in 2 minutes. Could t be happier with Cialis. Always ready but never get hard for no reason. Only when needed. And hugely helpfu if going two or more rounds.
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2843980]Funny you said this. I was thinking exactly the same after my recent trip (and during my trip). Whenever I saw a hot girl in Europe and then here back in States, I would wonder if I can find her on SA, what would be her backstory, how I would love to take her on a date and then back to my room.
I wouldn't read too much into it though, nothing to reflect IMO. This is what SA does, it normalizes us having sex with beautiful normal girls.[/QUOTE]I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:
College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.
They are all around you! And that's hot!
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2843860]No specific advice. I don't (yet) use any meds. Recently, I asked the seniors about Cialis and looks like there are side effects. Given I am in the US, I would need prescription. Not worth the hassle.
I just follow healthy habits. Quit smoking (was occasional smoker anyway) 10 years ago, eat healthy (no fries, no meat, no high fat food), exercise regularly and intensely (I am a sportsman, anyway), no soda (yes, I have had at most 5 coke cans in last 20 years), minimal alcohol (drinks when with girls).
I guess tht dose the trick but, frankly speaking, I simply thank the stars. Doing above doesn't mean good performance. Just lucky bastard, I guess.
Although, I'm curious about Cialis. Want to try and see what more it does to me. Will try and post someday.[/QUOTE]That's pretty clean living hah. I eat a burger a few times a month, a soda maybe a little more. Try to exercise about 3 times a week. It probably helps you were bb and CIP with that girl too. I've only met one that was ok with that. If you don't mind sharing what's your age range? Also where in europe was your experience?
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2843617]I happened across the most amazing post from 2017 about dating a Colombian girl and how it's completely different from western girls. This is an amazing treatise on the subject and lots of good advise in general if you want more "real world" dates. Worth a read by any girl enthusiast. It's about halfway down this page.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593[/URL]#post1983593.[/QUOTE]Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2844292]Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately no. My firsthand knowledge is limited to doing 5 Facebook girls in Medellin. It prob also depends on what kind of non-white you are. Asians (like Japanese, Chinese, Korean) are considered interesting and perhaps quite unique tho I think the Nordic grin go type like Routard probably most valued. I would guess that once they know u are American you would be put in the top class system regardless.
But surely someone in that forum knows best.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2844292]Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?[/QUOTE]A friend of mine, let's call him Mike, came and stayed with me at my place in Cartagena. My gal made me the breakfast she always done and made some for him too: fresh cut fruit, oatmeal, and something like empanadas. I asked if his wife did something similar and he almost seized he laughed so hard and said, "I don't do this for myself."
My gal and I go out the next morning. She has a friend staying with us too, 31 and gorgeous. Let's call her Kelly. She is college educated and speaks 3 languages. Well, my future step daughter and Kelly step up and make Mike breakfast the next morning. We go out to eat for dinner and he is there talking to her smiling like a Cheshire cat. Mike is 64, dresses kind of dumpy, a tad overweight, but has a good personality and is very smart. Kellie is engaged but she lets it out that her American fianc only comes and sees her like every 6 months. I joke with my gal and say that I will do the same in the future and she almost starts crying.
Mike and I talk, and he is shocked. Kelly has let him know she is interested in him. She even blurts out at dinner, "But he is married", and I said, "yeah, but his wife is really sick. ", and Mike gave me the big shushing.
He and I talk later and he says, "I never thought I would have someone like her offer herself up to me. " he is like I was 20 years ago but he has stuck with his wife despite being miserable with her because he has really good kids. I shared with him this, "I get it. I felt like such a loser when I went out on my wife, but I later realized that I was miserable and seeing women was the only thing that made me happy. I was so ashamed of myself and it was painful when I first cheated, but ten or so years later, when I was caught, I refused to give up the other women. I told my ex that those women make me happy and you do not. " Did she say that she was going to step up and try to quit making me miserable? LOL. Of course not. She wanted a divorce. How dare I want to be with people who want me happy.
Even if Mike stays married, I think he could have had the perfect SB setup with her.
I think Kelly would have gone for a black, Asian, or Latin friend of mine as long as they presented themselves as classy, intelligent, and had enough money to see her often. I just hope Mike comes around and takes up her on her offer.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2843617]I happened across the most amazing post from 2017 about dating a Colombian girl and how it's completely different from western girls. This is an amazing treatise on the subject and lots of good advise in general if you want more "real world" dates. Worth a read by any girl enthusiast. It's about halfway down this page.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593[/URL]#post1983593.[/QUOTE]Routard should write a book on Colombia, and I have read his posts again and again. It was different dating someone from seeking because we were in bed together a few hours after meeting. The hard part was why someone as hot as her was interested in me, and I later learned why. These lines stood out to me, "From 20 till 30 they are mainly focused on career and trying to get a step higher in the social stratto system. From 30 till 40 she will become obsessed in finding a husband and the father of her future children. I would therefore definitively not recommend this age unless you are looking also for the mother of your future children. I have no experience above 40".
Maybe it is just me but long term if a woman is attractive in her 30's, she is probably going to stay that way unlike an attractive woman in her 20's. Also, if she is a single mom like mine is, she may not be as interested in having kids. The problem with the 20 to 30 types is they are career focused and you may be getting in the way. I was dating someone 25 or so in school, and I felt like her being in school was an impediment. She had her friends giving her shit about seeing someone older. Once she graduated, she pursued me hard even after she knew I was seeing someone else. When she was working, I could see she wanted to work at most part time and have a family. I could just sense it.
And this is totally true. "Don't believe however that Colombianas are dreaming of a gringo to get the Green Card. Colombianas love their country and family, if she needs to move to another country for a man, it would be a great sacrifice instead".
Every woman I met had a friend or family member in the USA, and they heard everything, the good and bad, of the USA.
It is important to focus on the higher classes in Colombia. Guys looking at SBs or GFs in Colombia need to focus on the estrato 5 and 6 women, women in white collar jobs or studying for white collar jobs, and they are harder to meet.
When Dramafree bitches about the women of Colombia, I get it because it is true IMO of the lower classes. They are the fake uber materialistic types that brag about how hot they are and will rip you off blind in seconds. 84% of children born in Colombia are born to single moms and that IMO says a lot about both sexes.
Thanks.
I am 40. The girl had specifically asked me for confidentiality given she is a national sports star. So, I will just say one of the founding members of EU.
In any of those countries, there are good collection of girls with great attitude and great experience. Above all, I manage to find them at 300 EUR.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2844287]That's pretty clean living hah. I eat a burger a few times a month, a soda maybe a little more. Try to exercise about 3 times a week. It probably helps you were bb and CIP with that girl too. I've only met one that was ok with that. If you don't mind sharing what's your age range? Also where in europe was your experience?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2844184]I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:
College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.
They are all around you! And that's hot![/QUOTE]My compilation so far:
- lawyer (s).
- pianist.
- model (s).
- beautician.
- fashion designer.
- waitress.
- air hostess.
- marketing manager.
I was particularly surprised about the lawyers. Apparently the middle of the pack lawyers in Europe don't make much money:
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2842652]
I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! [/QUOTE]This is Part 2 of my "Dating Tour" story. Part 1 was here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2842652.
I am in my 40's, in a complicated relationship situation, and had a chance to do a solo Europe trip this summer. So I started looking into mongering options and found out about SA / seeking when going through Barcelona ISG forum. After reading some excellent reports (and tips) from Steve and Gfefan here, I decided to take the plunge and paid for seeking account approx 2 months before my trip.
I come from a fairly conservative society and did not get a chance to date many women since dating was not normal there. So my goal was clear: meet, date and fuck as many women as possible in this Europe trip and that's how I approached it. I spent hours (during and after work) on seeking, telegram and WhatsApp chatting with the women I could potentially meet there. The flirty chats added to the fun, to be honest. Made the girls also give me recommendations on where to stay etc. Did not talk about money, although we did talk about what a "sugar relationship" is, so that the nature of our meet was clear to them. At least two of them expressed interest in spending a lot of time with me. Although that was not what I was going for, I didn't discourage it and let it play out. One girl used to send me pics and ideas of places where we can go and random stuff from her daily life. It was cute and helpful since we hit it off immediately when we finally met and fucked thrice the first day.
Also made a spreadsheet, assigned hotness, connection and probability of meeting scores to rank the prospects.
Closer to the trip dates, I had a couple of video or audio calls with prospects to prove to them that I am real + serious and also find out if they are real. Also bought new clothes and learned a bit: about the culture, the language and the fashion. Tip: Even in the hottest of the heat, men don't wear flip-flops in Spain unless they are going to the beach.
Initially I was planning a whirlwind tour of Europe going to Spain, Italy, Germany, Prague and Amsterdam. But going through SA, I decided to start my trip in Spain and keep it flexible to either end up spending all the time there or fly to other places. The number of potentials in Spain is far greater than any other non-UK country in Europe. So stick with Spain.
Few other tid-bits:
- packed light so that I never had to check-in luggage. But had to get clothes washed once after 10 days or so.
- stayed in high-end / 5-star hotels and no-one ever bothered me about taking new girls every day to my room. Added benefit of impressing the girls with rooftop bars (most 5-star hotels would have them). The rooftops close at midnight though, which can be good or bad depending on your plan.
- I took a wad of Euros from US to Europe. In hindsight, it wasn't necessary since ATMs are everywhere and most of my cards had a limit of $500/ day (less than PPM in most cases) if you can stomach the ATM fees ($5-7 per transaction). Always elect to have conversion handled by your bank and not the ATM.
- always met the girls in the hotel lobby or just outside the hotel entrance since most hotels needed key card to operate the elevator.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2843518]As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?[/QUOTE]This is me too. When I do a new SA girl (basically all since I rarely repeat) my usual schedule is.
- early dinner which I say I like to avoid crowds but really it's so I can maximize bone time.
- first bone by 9 pm.
- second bone which I'm still excited for by like 10,1030.
- wind down, sleep by 1130,12.
- wake them up for sex around 3. They usually don't love that. It's my mid night alcohol wood.
- wake up early, like 6-7 as I always do. Wake them up for sex.
- then they usually leave. I sometimes get a 5th in.
But this all comes at a cost. I can't go 1-2 hours like some of you blokes. My typical session after the first one is like 10 minutes max. The mid night ones can be like 5 min and I have to concentrate to get it to finish line. At that hour it's mostly about getting my moneys worth. There's a sick part of me that loves the fact a girl thinks I'm paying 600 dollars or euros to bang her once before we sleep, but that I'll actually be counting notches all night. There, I said it.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2844184]I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:
College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.
They are all around you! And that's hot![/QUOTE]I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.
[QUOTE=Manizales911;2844786]I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.[/QUOTE]Some do it for the same reason some guys do it. They're bored and seeking not just an arrangement but a little adventure as well.
I had an eye opening experience recently in Europe. Normal set up and agree to meet for a drink. She asks if we can go to a rooftop bar instead so I suggest the hotel one. When we're at the bar chatting she starts asking about my experience on sa. Usually it's not a great sign and I was right. She tells me she's gone on multiple trips from sa, with guys she hadn't met before. Seems pretty risky to me but w / e. Back to the room and fuck. The sex was not that memorable compared to what happened later but she had a nice ass and doggy was fun. I knew I probably wasn't going to finish since I saw a wg earlier but it's fine. Later at a restaurant she drops a few more nuggets. Tells me she's done SA a few times in the states and complains the money there is a lot better than in Europe. Also says she's on an indy escort site and did both in the US with an sa guy's permission. I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here. I don't say anything until she mentions that he helped her out when a guy stiffed her. I ask her about it and she says no but her face tells me otherwise. We stop talking about seeking after that. Go back to the room, fool around more with some fingering but she stops me before sex and leaves. I'm a little surprised after this experience and it's one of the few times I feel bad after meeting a girl. My sense from the other girls I saw before in Europe were they'the walk away if they didn't like a guy but this girl is straight escorting and it sounded like she'the had more negative experiences than them.
Misc thoughts:
-Have you guys given up on sa in the states at this point? I haven't done it in almost a year and just got asked for ppm 7 which is tough lol
-Tried steve's tips and shaved my balls but didn't get much of a reaction from girls. It was pretty scary lol until I got the hang of it.
-Stumbled into a new position I'll call modified steve. Kneeling next to girl's head for bj and put a pillow under since she was a little low. But by pulling the pillow I could turn her head towards me and improved it. Her hands were behind her back so might have been harder for her to move too...