East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Emzchi; 1233490]I usually stay in one MOTEL 168, close to People Square and every evening I find, under the door, the attached business card.

I never used this kind of service. What do you think about? How is it?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Those are outcall services. They will send girls directly into your room. I believe the fee varies based on how much you can negotiate. It was 200-300 a few years ago.

Quality of the girls vary. Hit and miss. If you don't like what you see, just give them a 20 and turn them away.

[QUOTE=Mike921; 1233739]I'm sure ALL the brothers that actually live here in China would agree, how you successful you are at all activities in China (legal or not) is very, very highly dependent upon the amount of money and guanxi you have.

It's really as simple as that.[/QUOTE]As much as I love sauna's, I would do my best to avoid them and take her to my room instead. Better security.

[QUOTE=Manatsu; 1234258]Those are outcall services. They will send girls directly into your room. I believe the fee varies based on how much you can negotiate. It was 200-300 a few years ago.

Quality of the girls vary. Hit and miss. If you don't like what you see, just give them a 20 and turn them away.[/QUOTE]Do you think it's safe?

No police problems, raids?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Emzchi; 1234276]Do you think it's safe?

No police problems, raids?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I stayed in a 168 last week. My neighbor had a rather loud altercation with a girl he called (cards were slid under the doors a couple times per day). He didn't like her, and didn't want to pay for her return taxi fare. Things settled after the replacement girl arrived. Probably best to pay the taxi fare if you don't like the girl to avoid making a scene. No LE, no one wants the hassle, just want to do business.

[QUOTE=JmbShanghai1; 1231974]Hi, you can try this one :

[url]http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/[/url]

Take care.[/QUOTE]Is that site reliable? Some tried them out?

[QUOTE=Mike921;1234777]I stayed in a 168 last week. My neighbor had a rather loud altercation with a girl he called (cards were slid under the doors a couple times per day). He didn't like her, and didn't want to pay for her return taxi fare. Things settled after the replacement girl arrived. Probably best to pay the taxi fare if you don't like the girl to avoid making a scene. No LE, no one wants the hassle, just want to do business.[/QUOTE]How much did he paid for the second girl?

I think the hotel agree with this kind of service. Right?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Lost In Shanghai; 1233105]Thanks, Ramboon, for finding this place. Definitely a great value in an oil massage. I tried it out. The 2 prices were quoted to me in the front lobby, and the 206 RMB massage was as you said. No negotiating, and nice service. Had a bit of a time communicating. No English spoken, and everyone seems to speak Mandarin with a pretty strong accent, if it even was Mandarin.

Be sure to follow Ramboon's directions. It is the massage place with the bright yellow sign on Shanxi. You actually have to be across the street to see the sign. Don't go to the one on Changping Road. More expensive, and looked a lot more elegant.[/QUOTE]In the interests of ensuring full coverage, I paid a visit to both the places mentioned above. The one on Shanxi Lu and the one on Changping Lu. The one on Shanxi Lu is as described and well worth a visit. The one on Changping Lu is a little more expensive, offering a "Royal Massage" for 400 RMB. The "Royal Massage" is a very oily, but most enjoyable massage which is finished off with a CBJ. A nice susprise I must admit as I was expecting a HE only.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso; 1233401]Just use the search function for prior reports to confirm all you are fearing. You get caught you are out of the country and out of job as they will inform your employer. Fines will be your least problem, believe me.

P4p is illegal, period, no difference in principle between HJ, BBS, sauna, but as you life here you should know, TIC.

And I would not discuss here openly where the smallest risk is, as it may trigger adverse reactions and as a general rule, what foreigners do with foreigners is not so much an issue, if you get the hint.

FA.

FA[/QUOTE]Appreciate your reply. I don't need to use the search because I've been reading the forum regularly for the past 3 years or so and I can't remember any reports from anyone who took a service provider home and was followed by police and got caught, or any similar stories. Hence me asking specifically if anyone has similar stories to share. I'm well aware that money buys everything (everyone) here and I'm well aware of the legal situation and theoretic risks.

Anyway, the fact that we don't see more stories posted here is hopefully a good sign that not that many bad stories happened.

[QUOTE=Emzchi; 1235040]How much did he paid for the second girl?

I think the hotel agree with this kind of service. Right?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't know how much for the 2nd girl, they didn't openly discuss it during the argument. I'm guessing someone on the hotel staff gets a percentage to look the other way, and insure no other provider's cards are seen. Remember, it's only illegal if you get caught.

[QUOTE=JoyofSex; 1235032]Hi, you can try this one :

[url]http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/[/url]

Is that site reliable? Some tried them out?[/QUOTE]This was discussed in Sept / Oct 2011. In Shanghai all of the web based escort services are scams. No exceptions. This is because you don't see the girl until it's too late. She is never the same as the picture. Next they up the price. The one you mention seems to be more of an advertisement than a post. One honest mark who went for it was dissappointed with miss perfect and got no service, the 'others' are probably working for her.

[QUOTE=Five Aces;1235379]This was discussed in Sept / Oct 2011. In Shanghai all of the web based escort services are scams. No exceptions. This is because you don't see the girl until it's too late. She is never the same as the picture. Next they up the price. The one you mention seems to be more of an advertisement than a post. One honest mark who went for it was dissappointed with miss perfect and got no service, the 'others' are probably working for her.[/QUOTE]Well, I remember the old discussions (even much earlier than that) and that is why I never tried those outcall services in SH. Yet, when the posting came up, there was a glimpse of hope and the website looks nice, too.

Should have figured that the posting by an I'd with only two posts total is advertisement, yet if anyone has hands-on experience, please let me know.

PS: Why is it there is no "real" escort service like in most cities? Because it would be shut down by LE?

[QUOTE=JoyofSex;1235448]PS: Why is it there is no "real" escort service like in most cities? Because it would be shut down by LE?[/QUOTE]I think the risk to be shut down should even higher in beijing (as you can see on the very "dry" sauna scene there) , so there should be another reason.

First I also did not find a reasonable agency with real girls pictures on their webpage in Beijing and Shenzhen (other cities I don`t know). Here the reason can be, that most girls are too afraid to be found by family, friends or in worst case by police,

Second could be, that the customer "want to be cheated" with the pictures. I know Coco (the owner of the private-escort-page) very well and she told me, that she already start to use normal homemade picture, no photoshop, but than the booking rate went down a lot. Her problem is, that all her competitor agencies in Shanghai use faked pictures (like japanese erotic models). Than they will tell that the pictures are 100% real and the customers (controled by their little brothers) only book this "dream girls". And even they found out later it is a cheating and the girl is someone else, they are so hot already, that they forward the deal, even the picture was a fake. Works most time, so over all better than less business because of less hot pictures. Now she try to do it serious with real normal pictures, but she has less business compared with competitor pages. I recommended her to forward to do so, because on a long term view, she should have much more returning customers and recommendetions than by the cheating way. But if you know Chinese business way, than you can guess how hard it was to persuade her to go on doing like that, Longterm view is not the typical Chinese business view. But till now she still try to get real pictures ffrom her girls, but at the moment only half of the girls on her page agree to put their real pictures on the page, but at least she is still on a good way.

On the other side Coco has big problems to find girls really want to quote a at least acceptable price, if the price is published in the internet. I recommended a Chinese girl to her some weeks ago. I met this girl in Manhattan, there she ask for 2500- for the night, than I negotiated her down to 1500- (no problem to get this price). She was doing this as her "main business", service was good and she was sexy, so I forward her contact to Coco. She than called to girl and the same girl now asked for 2000- for an hour! Overnight not less than 5000! As I understand, the girls still want to keep the chance to get the "big deal" with a stupid customer who is willing to pay 10 000- for a overnight session. If the price is fixed already in the web, no one ever will pay more, so the fixed price has to be very high. So all the agencies try to send you the girl for a low price first and than check out, if you are stupid enough to pay double or three times market price. I think the girls in Shanghai getting very greedy, because every other girl only talk about her experiences with this "cash cows" who paid them 5000- for a short time and so on.

So all together it is definitly not easy to find a honest girl who is first able to speak english, second willing to call out a reaonable price (with no upselling chance) before she met the customer and third also willing to publish her picture in the internet. I guess this is reason why it is so hard to find a "real" escort service in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=JmbShanghai1; 1231974]Hi, you can try this one :

[url]http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/[/url]

Take care.[/QUOTE]For the record, here are the prices range (I never tried, and will never try as offers are too pricey for me, even if negotiation is still possible to low down the prices) you can get from the member's area.

Among all the girls available who do FS (8 off them, but NOT Amy) :

- price for 1 hour starts 1200 from to 1800/2000 (with anal) RMB.

- price for 2 hours starts 2100 from to 3300/3600 (with anal) RMB.

- price for overnight starts 3200 from to 6000/7000 (with anal) RMB.

Prices depend on the girl, and 1 of them do ANAL, and if you are nice enough, some can accept CIM.

Dear folks,

Was at Sacrosa went to 5th floor today around 1:00 AM to have some fun but find the place dead.

Is Sacrosa closed?

Do they close already at this time?

Have they relocated?

Is there an other similar place close by?

Your reply (also by PM) is appreciated.

Pekshy

[QUOTE=Shanghai Guide; 1235579]I think the risk to be shut down should even higher in beijing (as you can see on the very "dry" sauna scene there) , so there should be another reason.

First I also did not find a reasonable agency with real girls pictures on their webpage in Beijing and Shenzhen (other cities I don`t know). Here the reason can be, that most girls are too afraid to be found by family, friends or in worst case by police,

Second could be, that the customer "want to be cheated" with the pictures. I know Coco (the owner of the private-escort-page) very well and she told me, that she already start to use normal homemade picture, no photoshop, but than the booking rate went down a lot. Her problem is, that all her competitor agencies in Shanghai use faked pictures (like japanese erotic models). Than they will tell that the pictures are 100% real and the customers (controled by their little brothers) only book this "dream girls". And even they found out later it is a cheating and the girl is someone else, they are so hot already, that they forward the deal, even the picture was a fake. Works most time, so over all better than less business because of less hot pictures. Now she try to do it serious with real normal pictures, but she has less business compared with competitor pages. I recommended her to forward to do so, because on a long term view, she should have much more returning customers and recommendetions than by the cheating way. But if you know Chinese business way, than you can guess how hard it was to persuade her to go on doing like that, Longterm view is not the typical Chinese business view. But till now she still try to get real pictures ffrom her girls, but at the moment only half of the girls on her page agree to put their real pictures on the page, but at least she is still on a good way.

On the other side Coco has big problems to find girls really want to quote a at least acceptable price, if the price is published in the internet. I recommended a Chinese girl to her some weeks ago. I met this girl in Manhattan, there she ask for 2500- for the night, than I negotiated her down to 1500- (no problem to get this price). She was doing this as her "main business", service was good and she was sexy, so I forward her contact to Coco. She than called to girl and the same girl now asked for 2000- for an hour! Overnight not less than 5000! As I understand, the girls still want to keep the chance to get the "big deal" with a stupid customer who is willing to pay 10 000- for a overnight session. If the price is fixed already in the web, no one ever will pay more, so the fixed price has to be very high. So all the agencies try to send you the girl for a low price first and than check out, if you are stupid enough to pay double or three times market price. I think the girls in Shanghai getting very greedy, because every other girl only talk about her experiences with this "cash cows" who paid them 5000- for a short time and so on.

So all together it is definitly not easy to find a honest girl who is first able to speak english, second willing to call out a reaonable price (with no upselling chance) before she met the customer and third also willing to publish her picture in the internet. I guess this is reason why it is so hard to find a "real" escort service in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Why doesn't Coco set up two side by side businesses using the same stable of girls. She can continue to run her fake picture website while on another site, throw up actual pics and prices for her real girls. If the real girls site doesn't do the business, it doesn't matter because her other site is still competing with the other liars. But I believe that in the long run, the real site would generate business of its own because people like we here at ISG would recommend and only use her honest site.