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[QUOTE=Turgid;2425359]I am hoping that these are not the top of the line beauties to be found in Bangkok now. When I was last in BKK in 2015 I regularly visited Nataree, the girls there were much younger and so much more beautiful.[/QUOTE]They are not top of the line in Thermae, I spot a few girls that I could approach if I was there from his other video.
Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=AvocaDick;2426163]Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.
Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.
Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.
Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.
[QUOTE=AvocaDick;2426163]Is it safe to go out with freelancers nowadays amongst the coronavirus scare.
I've heard it spreads to saliva too. And since its incubation period is high you never know if the freelancer is infected. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.
I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.
As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.
I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage. There was a lot of chemistry, she had a very nice touch, cute face and a great butt. I popped a boner just from the head and shoulder massage. I was interested in more later that night or any time, especially since she said they were getting so few customers lately. It was not possible to conduct a negotiation in her shop with all the other idle massage girls sitting there. In a Line chat right after I left the shop, while she was still in hot pursuit to meet me in my room for more later, I broached the topic of my need to have BBFS if there was going to be a pleasant ST or LT for me. As expected, her reply was essentially No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever.
I say "as expected" because that is the way it is with me and massage shop girls almost every time. But, like many fellow punters have asked me since the coronavirus hysteria hit and there has been a marked decrease in customer traffic, I thought conditions would be more conducive to getting more and better service from Thai P4P girls these days. Nope. Not in my case, at least.
In fact, I just set up a date for LT with a tried and true dependable regular for tonight, Saturday night, because I am not in the mood to joust with the No Way, No How, Not Now, Not Ever or the utterly incompetent sex worker crowd again tonight.
Oh, that reminds me, I did encounter a brand new (to me) FL on Sukhumvit Road as I was getting closer to my apartment after the hot, young but disinterested Thermae and the Non Kisser street girl tour. She was kind of cute, mid 20s, nice little body, speaks English fairly fluently. She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.
Now, in her case, I didn't ask her about kissing on the lips beforehand. But it turned out she was very much into it. We engaged in DFK for what seemed like 15 minutes before the fucking began. Heavenly for me. I had a raging hardon from that, as always. Not that I need 15 minutes of DFK. 1-2 minutes of it is usually all it takes for me to get that raging hardon from it. This girl was really into it without my prompting. Still, her weird resistance to tickling my balls meant that raging hardon was not going to have a happy ending with this girl.
But if there was any chance of me getting the coronavirus from saliva and if this girl had it, I suppose I will know in a couple of weeks if I got it, too. Then again, maybe I've had it for a week already and gave it to her! Nobody knows. I'll be sure to post about it here. However, as Crocodilexp pointed out, I could just as well get it from inhaling next to a carrier on the BTS train. Or MRT. Or in a queue at a 7-11.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.[/QUOTE]Hello EihTooms,
I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.
It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.
Rather than replying to the previous posts I thought it better to start a new post and give you some of my experiences since the corona virus became an issue. Like EihTooms I haven't noticed any marked change from any of the girls I met. I have moved from shops and street freelancers to internet dating sites such as Tinder, WeChat and TF as I am finding better looking girls here. Over the past 2 months I hooked up with 6 different girls who I met this way.
2 that immediately declared themselves as FL.
2 that told me they had no job and asked for a financial contribution.
2 that had no financial expectations as they have their own business and just want a good time.
All of them arrived with face mask but once in my condo it was business as usual.
The first freelancer was a lady called Su Sue. She asked 2 K for 2 hours She usually works at one of the massage shops on Soi 22 but had contacted me via WeChat. Not the greatest looker but her service performance was outstanding. Her BBBJ technique was excellent with good suction. After DATY somehow the prepared condom was ignored and we went through the FS program with a COF finish.
The second FL was an Indonesian girl named Jessie with an incredibly hot body and like other Indos I have met an almost aggressive approach to sex. She was the total PSE program including anal and sandwich with toy. After 2 rounds I felt like I had been in a cage fight. She had asked for 3,5 K but was totally worth it. She had excellent English and loved to talk dirty. Unfortunately she left a few days later and I didn't get the chance to repeat. This girl I had also met via WeChat.
On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.
On WeChat I met another girl called Wantika. Late twenties, bit of a mummy tummy but nice boobs and gives a great BBBJ. She is the "quicky" girl during lunch hour. She gets 1.5 K and we meet at a nearby curtain hotel close to my office. I think she also works in an office nearby because she is usually formally dressed when we meet. Condoms were used a few times to start with but afterwards got ignored. We usually end with CIM. Hinted that she would like to spend more time with me after work but I don't think so.
During CNY I met 2 ladies on Tinder that are totally non-commercial. I am not giving their names because of that and also I am interested in keeping both them for a longer time. Both of them have their own business. They are both in their mid-thirties.
One owns two hair salons, is also a Yoga teacher with and incredibly toned body. She lives a little outside of Bangkok and usually comes to pick me up in her car as she prefers that we go to her house and spend the night there. Never has been married and never had a baby. She horny as hell and has incredible stamina. As she works at the weekends we usually meet on her days off which requires a bit work scheduling for me but so far we managed to meet once a week. The only downside is her poor English which combined with my little Thai sounds like two 3 years olds having a conversation. But since we spend most of the time in the sack it hardly matters.
The other one has a small hotel in the outskirts. She is not fat at all but a bit on the plumper side (about 62 kg) But she has an amazing rack for a Thai with a firm 38 the cup. I think coming to my place is a mini holiday for her. She loves to cook for me and then have a long sex session. She told me she has been divorced for the past 2 years and since she has to run the hotel by herself doesn't get a lot of time to date and certainly never wants to be with another Thai man again. She has an eight year old son who stays with her and is looked after by her sister who jointly runs the hotel with her. During sex she comes with in the first 10 minutes and then gets off multiple times during the course of our session. I would say the ratio is 5:1 in her favor haha.
In summary, I have seen no difference in the mating behavior after Corona. Unfortunately I am going to the US for three month due to work commitment and dread the the dry months ahead of me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
I understand the concept that the customer is always right. As the transgender hooker in the movie classic "Risky Business" tells Joel Goodson: "I mean, when you put your good money down you got to get what you wanted in the first place. Know what I mean? When you buy a TV, you don't buy Sony if you want RCA."
But as the old saw reminds us, often the perfect is the enemy of the good. That is, I think, especially true in this pursuit of ours. I'm not telling anybody what to do. But if were me, I would have declared victory and enjoyed myself, even if I didn't get that last five percent performance.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426388]Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.
I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.
As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.
I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage..[/QUOTE]We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2426262]Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.
Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.
Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.
Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.[/QUOTE]I have a different opinion on this. Sitting in a bts with mask and kissing or licking pussy of a FL or hooker who might have had close contact with Chinese are two very different things. As long as you're not touching your nose-ear-mouth area (that's where a mask helps), and cleaning hands with sanitizer regularly, you'll be a lot safer. But fucking a hooker whose mainly clients are asians, not sounds so safe, I would either wait for 1-2 months or just go to Europe or Brazil for a while.
[QUOTE=Bunky;2426518]Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
...[/QUOTE]I can see how someone would come to that conclusion based on what I wrote. Or, rather, what I forgot to write. It was such an episodic day and evening, one of the details of that particular episode that I intended to include but see now that I forgot to include was that it was her idea to convert our "1,500 baht for LT" agreement into a ST. After the sex, she took a shower and came out of the bathroom fully dressed and looking for her shoes. She had only been in my room about an hour. And she spent 10 minutes or so of that eating a bowl of sumtam I bought for her from a street vendor on the walk to my room.
So that is why I mentioned just giving her 1,000 baht and "off she went." But I would have concluded the same as you and felt the same way about it based on a detail that did not manage to move from my memory to my final report.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2426519]We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, thanks for that, Franciscass. I'll be 67 soon and I guess there is an element of wanting to get out there and do it while I still can. What have I got, maybe 10 regular mongering years left tops? And some of those will likely drop down to once a week instead of 4-5 times a week.
Now, an episodic day and night like the one I just reported on was not one of those times when I was driven to get laid my way come hell or high water, although I can see how it might read that way. If it had been I would have gone about things differently.
It was really just one of those days where I had nothing else to do so thought I would check out the massage shop girl's deal, then I happened to be walking past Thermae on my way back to my apartment later that night so I popped in just to watch the parade, then out on the street and oh, here's a new FL I'd never seen before grabbing my arm and so on.
I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.
[QUOTE=OlJoh;2426515]On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.[/QUOTE]Hi,
Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2426594]
I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.[/QUOTE]You are spot on there, one of the big issues in the current environment is that at this price level and with time restraints it's much more difficult for tourists. Even at my level of 3-4 trips a year so around a 4-6 weeks in country total it's still difficult to give up those precious days with no action. I have my group of regulars but of course that pool needs constantly refreshed due to their disappearance or getting lazy and not performing. THe advantage however is that even on the duds in the recruitment process I still know tomorrow I can have a winner in one of my regulars. So far I haven't managed any regulars that didn't come out of gogos, which granted are my prime hunting ground so percentage wise that follows. However of all the thermae girls ever taken only 2 were repeats and neither worth a 3rd attempt. I have had some regular massage girls out of SW over the years and woodbar, but only regulars at the shop never outside. However at current prices you are committing on average 4 k each attempt (average of gogo ST, thermae, gogo LT, +drinks and assorted costs). That's not an inexpensive number when you may at best be getting 1/5 worth repeating. Don't get me wrong I fully concur with Goat that this is bad value for the same thai ass that used to go for 1 k, but coming even from an average sized US city where an hour GFE 1-2 shots is going to run $300 USD this is still more affordable and with many more options to shop from. To a degree the market is similar to when I lived in Vegas. A local can go to the casino and make his nut in 5 minutes and walk away cash in hand, but a tourist who wins in 5 minutes always ends up giving it back, they just don't have the option to wait until tomorrow and they end up back at the tables.
I am guilty as charged at not holding the girls up to higher standard and in all my years only kicked out 2 girls with 500-1 k baht after they total dissapointed. Problem is I am always on my precious vacation days and when I consider the greater loss its the time and not the money. I have improved over the years on refining selection and become a lot pickier so my success rate is higher but it is difficult to hold them to the standard I should.
[QUOTE=CrazyMan;2426455]Hello EihTooms,
I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.
It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.[/QUOTE]I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.
Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.
I am coming back and was wondering if anyone knows of any lactating or pregnant providers?
We all have our kinks.