Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430015]Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.

That's why many of us move on as quickly as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.[/QUOTE]Just today, walked down Sukhumvit Soi 23, the several blocks of MP shops, seeing if there was anything [I]interesting[/I]. About middle of the way, one shop had a number of cuties, including one, to me, stunner. She had her head down, busy with her mobile. I continued to walk to the end, wanting to check out all before making a commitment. As anyone who's made the walk knows, plenty of come-ONS.

Go back to the [I]cutie[/I] shop, stop in front of Miss Stunner. Before I can say anything, she [B]GLANCES[/B] up, milliseconds, no eye contact, no smile, nothing. In her world I didn't exist. She then goes back to her phone. Maybe she thought I was waiting for a bus, or was having a heart attack and she didn't want to get involved; I had been to Big C and was carrying a couple of shopping bags. No problem, makes it an easy decision for me. Pass. Yes, I could have told the manager I wanted this girl, paid my money, and had a half-assed massage, poor service from someone who couldn't wait to get back to their phone. Instead, I went elsewhere, with someone who was fun, with good service.

Another reason I'm not particularly keen on young'uns. Too wrapped up in their mobiles. Last year, another MP shop on Soi 23, cute young thing, up for a massage. At the usual moment, she brought up "extras", though her prices were on the high end. I demurred, she turned her back to me, pulled down her pants and shorts, and showed me her wiggling ass... "You want more?" Obviously, excellent marketing skills. Worked on me; made the deal, f / s, good enough to repeat. On the third time (third time's the charm, right?), finished with massage and f / s, 20 minutes to go, she's massaging my head. But it feels [I]lacking[/I]. I turn around, and she's massaging my head with one hand, the other texting on her mobile. While I might admire her dexterity with the mobile, split attention is something I don't tolerate. Never have, never will. I get up, grab the towel for the shower. She's "Don't be mad, don't be mad. " "I'm not mad, finished. " And I meant permanently finished. Next time passing by, she's outside with her come-on, she's "You come inside for massage. " I just roll my eyes, with a no thank you. If someone doesn't value my business, pass.

And today, the girl I did take... Had to get her Line ID rather than QR code because she did not bring her mobile to the room; it was downstairs. Fun time with someone who smiles.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2429949]Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.

It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?

Unfortunately, that young girl is likely to return to Isaan than become a hooker. She will either get a retail job there if she's hot or just stay home with family and eat and live for free. Imo it's wishful thinking but I hope I'm very wrong.[/QUOTE]I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2429734]On my way home, what's the name of the TV advertisement, that has the tag line "I should have had . . ." popped into my head.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wU[/URL]

I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2430185]I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.[/QUOTE]How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.

I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.

Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2429934]Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.[/QUOTE]More likely, utter chaos will have set in. World wide everything is getting worse. News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.

International flights will be getting more dangerous than normal soon perhaps? I don't know if airport heat signature tests are effective or not.

Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.

My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.

Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2430294]
Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.[/QUOTE]Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.

Recently was sorting through old photos and found a few of a wild Christmas party at the Thermae Soapy (at the old location) close to 30 years ago. I heard from one of the girls that I used to do, that her friend, a good looking girl, eventually became HIV + after many years of barebacking (I assume) and lots of Thai customers. She had a pimp / BF too so possible he gave it to her also. HIV takes a huge back seat now, with the new Virus, which is vastly more dangerous (from statistical point of view).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430305]News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.[/QUOTE]Are they voluntarily returning to Thailand because of the coronavirus or are their visas not being renewed after 90 days? I know quite a few gogo girls currently working in Seoul, Busan, and Daegu.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well![/QUOTE]

This is the total opposite of what I would do especially with gogo girls. Once they smell you out as a newbie and they know you like them they will take you for everything you have. imo better to say you have been to Thailand before and talk like you know what you are doing. But if your technique works for you keep at it. We all do things differently.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30[/QUOTE]

That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.

While chances of catching the virus are still minimal I now insist girls wash their hands thoroughly whether it's just a normal massage or full service.

Kissing is out and any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT I know but it works for me. Also important letting her believe this is exactly how you like it to avoid any negative vibe for her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2430308]Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.
...[/QUOTE]My P4P source preferences generally revolve around online Booty Call/FL/Dating sites (I maintain long term paid subscriptions to ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly and Tinder), FLs on the street or in bars, go-go bar girls and beer bar girls. I am not generally a soapy, massage shop, PSE shop or disco club guy.

I should add that it does not serve my ultimate service level goals and requirements well (mostly BBFS+CIP, secondarily a BBBJ+CIM, preferably and ideally with a Swallow finish but acceptable without on first encounter) to zero in on the best looker in the room or among the top 5% best lookers in the room in order to regularly acheive those goals in a relatively logical, practical, sane and finacially viable way. Not just in Thermae. Anywhere. I am happy to draw from the top 6% - 20% best lookers in the room for that. LOL.

So my ongoing observations and experiences on the ground during this extraordinary time are drawn mostly from any changes I might detect from those above mentioned options.

With those parameters in place, here are some changes I have already noticed as an expat living here these days and as I make my rounds as usual:

1. I am getting a LOT more than normal hits from very good looking FLs on Tinder. Ordinarily, I might be lucky to get 3-4 unsolicited hits from real female lookers per week on Tinder. I am getting that many every other day now. I am getting a couple more than usual such unsolicited hits on ThaiFriendly but not as dramatic a jump as on Tinder. No real noticeable change on ThaiCupid.

2. I get more lingering stares and smiles from presumably regular, non P4P girls working or shopping in the malls, at restaurants, etc.

3. I am seeing new and imo much better looking than usual FLs walking on Sukhumvit and standing in Soi 4. And they are far more demonstrably smiling, speaking to me and lobbying for my attention when I pass by, something the best lookers on those strolls rarely did more than a cursory smile in response to my smiling and speaking to them.

4. Not much noticable change for me in the welcome or, most importantly, the service level negotiation results in the go-go bars and beer bars, except in the below #5 way.

5. I am getting swamped by out of the blue Line message requests from girls I'd been with only 1-2 times from the dating sites and go-go bars needing to see me again because they "miss me so much." I am talking about better looking than most girls I had BBFS+CIP with but whose overall chemistry with me was too lacking for me to go for seconds or more. Apparently, some of them have realized they should have expressed their genuine love and appreciation for me more fully and sincerely at the time and would really like another opportunity to do so as soon as possible 😉.

There are definite changes occuring during this time. I will update more where it applies as time goes on.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2430369]...
That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.[/QUOTE]LOL. I think you are still missing the point. Getting the best (looking?) girls to go with you, me or just about anyone reading this in Thailand is one of the easiest challenges to meet in the P4P World. As long as you are willing to pay her going rate and accept the level of service such girls will almost certainly deliver.

For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2430251]Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm Black-American and I've have gotten very mild racism from very few women in Thailand. There was one time I happened to get off at Surasak Station to meet a friend. When I passed the turnstile to exit, there was one Thai woman who I passed who held her nose as if I stunk. There was another time I was on my way to Santika in a taxi (before the Santika fire) to meet up with a girl I met off Tagged. 'The boys in brown' stopped the cab and asked me to exit. They searched me for drugs which of course, I had none. They asked for my passport and when I showed them, they were all smiles and let me go. If you've been here long enough in Thailand, you can obviously source where the blame comes from. It rhymes with hysteria.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them![/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with your overall approach to successfully getting a True GFE/Real Sex session, meaning BBFS+CIP. In fact, I know several punters who play the game exactly that way in order to greatly improve their chances of getting BBFS+CIP.

It isn't necessary or advisable to go that route if you are fine with basic, standard condom covered service from the girls. But if you want BBFS+CIP quality service, I know your approach works well for many.

Unfortunately, I live in Ground Zero of the Bangkok red light district and the working girls here have seen me coming and going with all manner of other working girls and regular girls. LOL. So that "newbie, never had much sex" act won't work for me.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2430279]I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them![/QUOTE]Surprised to see guys in modern era still fuck bareback to WG! Aren't you afraid?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2430369]That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.[/QUOTE]The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.