American Politics

[QUOTE=GDreams;2607921]Even the the partisan audit in Arizona has failed to find any evidence of fraud. In fact Biden increased his lead. How is Trump going to get feeble minded republicans to give him money now? What is the next grift from the worlds biggest grifter? The time and money wasted so some lowlife failed entrepreneur can sooth his bruised ego![/QUOTE]These Biden/Dem-hating Trumpster/Repub suckers are really gluttons for punishment. It might be Trump's only talent or skill; being able to identify, target and continue to con the biggest self-loathing gullible suckers in the room (or country) who apparently never run out of money, self-respect or dignity to hand over to him as long as he keeps telling them blatantly obvious and ridiculously easily debunked lies.

Including the repeated recounts in Georgia, this one in Arizona and elsewhere, these pathetic Repubs have had to experience Biden kicking Trump's butt in an election landslide a half a dozen times so far.

Trump isn't doing it just for his ego and the sadistic thrill of making total fools of everyone who voted for him, although that is no doubt a big part of it. The dude obviously really badly needs the cash flow.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2607955]The rightwingnuts here keep trying to convince us that the COVID vaccines don't work because some fully vaccinated individuals get COVID. Or that the COVID vaccine is worse than other vaccines which provide lifelong protection from disease.[/QUOTE]Sorry, semantic douche, you are just creating a straw man so let me restate the "right wing nuts" position.

First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission.

Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else.

You douches really do want to give the vaccine via blow dart, and you just pretend like the side effects do not exist, that vaccinating everyone is going to make us go back to 2018 when no one wore masks, and Biden will be celebrated as a hero. Sorry even if you could do that and vaccinate everyone, that is not going to happen. These vaccines, which started with so much promise, really have been a disappointment.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2608038]Only about 14% of Americans are black. If 100% of them were Democrats and every one of them decided to keep the Trump's Pandemic variants developing until one finally overrides all current vaccine protections by refusing to get vaccinated it would pale compared to white Repubs' contributions to achieving that goal.[/QUOTE]If you had read your fellow dem douche's post (maybe you wrote it) you would see that he was referring to white evangelicals.

White evangelicals constitute a similar proportion of the US population to blacks: somewhere between 15 and 20%. Just as approximately 90% of the black vote goes to the democrats, around 90% of the white evangelical vote goes to the republicans.

So the groups are comparable. And blacks have the lower vaccination rate of the two. Naturally, the fake news and dem douches ignore that in their never-ending attempts to attack white people. Kind of like how they focus their attacks on the Second Amendment against law-abiding white conservative rural and suburban long gun owners, when the vast majority of illegal shootings and killings are carred out by minorities in ghettoes.

The left and fake media never let reality get in the way of their false narrative.

As to "overriding vaccine protections", as has already been established, vaxed people can catch and spread covid just like non-vaxed. See Oscar de la Hoya, double-vaxed but forced to pull out of his boxing comeback because he got covid.

All the vaccine does is somewhat reduce symptoms. It does not prevent contraction or passing on of the virus. In short, it does not work and Fauci lied (again).

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2607933]The group in America with the lowest level vaccination is blacks. Not known for their support of Republicans.[/QUOTE]White people in the United States make up 60% of the unvaccinated. Also, their rate of increase in getting vaccinated is lower than for blacks and Hispanics, who are picking up speed. Further, the issue with blacks and browns isn't simply about hesitancy. It also has everything to do with access, with wealthier white people having more access to vaccines (and all matter of lifesaving healthcare) than do people of color. The inequality in access to vaccines and medicines is both inter and intra-continental in scope and impact on the less fortunate, with the wealthy having access to more than their fair share, or what they even need.

[URL]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2607949]No, there have been 680,000 people who died with covid. The vast majority had comorbidities and would have died anyway. Average age of death is mid-80's, and were on their way out with unrelated illness. We have also seen infamous cases such as the guy who died in a motorbike crash counted as a "covid" death.

The number of people who died *of* (not with) covid, with no comorbidity, is a tiny fraction of that.

On the other side, the number of covid cases is far higher than the 42.5 m confirmed cases. About half of people who contract it don't even have symptoms. Others will have symptoms similar to flu, just stay at home and self-medicate and then recover in a few days. Neither of these groups are in confirmed cases because nobody knows they had it. Total actual cases will be north of a million.

It is more like 100,000 out of 100,000,000, or a 99.9% survival rate.[/QUOTE]The point of all this is what? Many people who have had Covid now have permanent lung damage, amputations, chronic fatigue and other long term effects. The point is there are widespread vaccinations for many diseases. The point these diseases are no longer widespread shows the benefit of these programs. This is not about freedom of choice it is about the general wellbeing of society. Just like sending people off to wars. The virus has mutated several times and one day we may need to start this whole process again if we do not control it now. The sooner it is controlled and dies out the better. That is achieved more effectively by vaccination than catching it and hoping a long term immunity results, presuming you don't die or become an invalid. So what's the point of all your discussion? You want this virus to perpetuate? You want to give it as much chance to further mutate as possible? You want to give the gullible the best chance for death and disablement? You are so wrapped up in your anti Democrat, anti government rhetoric that you cannot allow yourself to accept that sometime you need to put away your anger and accept some things need to be done for the greater good?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2608033]As late as the second half of October 2020, Trump was still repeatedly and proudly proclaiming his Pandemic was disappearing, running its course, petering out, ending "even WITHOUT the vaccine."[/QUOTE]Weak, even by your abysmal standards.

Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.

But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.

(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).

[QUOTE=GDreams;2607921]Even the the partisan audit in Arizona has failed to find any evidence of fraud. In fact Biden increased his lead. How is Trump going to get feeble minded republicans to give him money now? What is the next grift from the worlds biggest grifter? The time and money wasted so some lowlife failed entrepreneur can sooth his bruised ego![/QUOTE]However, I think, this grifter squid vampire, has yet to suck the life savings from his gullible base, so the money sucking grift will continue, from Trump-Quackula.

"Voter Fraud Forensic Audit", from the Cyber Ninjas, what a joke! But I got to give them brownie points, on taking the legal art of fleecing the American public, to a whole new level.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2608090]Weak, even by your abysmal standards.

Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.

But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.

(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).[/QUOTE]I see.

So your very strong counter argument to my actual links detailing Trump's repeated assertions that his Pandemic WAS going away "WITHOUT a vaccine!" for, at minimum, 10-11 months (right up to within days of the November 2020 election) after he learned about the threat of such a Pandemic possibly developing if only a so-called potus helped it along by word and deed was that in February 2020 when he said it will probably be gone by April...he REALLY meant April 2030, April 2040, April 2050 or something like that after several million Americans died from it without anyone bothering to invent a vaccine for it, right?

Well, damn. I guess I wasn't in tune with the Trump/Repub "nuance" on the whole thing.

I would call those repeated assertions deadly, shockingly irresponsible, self-serving lies that would only discourage anyone from bothering to waste their time and money inventing a vaccine for it, much less taking any unnecessary risk, however tiny, in taking a vaccine for it.

But, by golly, you put your conservative Repub mind to it and managed to convince yourself those early and often repeated assertions right up to just days before the November 2020 election were kinda' sorta' "true" and even heroically "helpful" to getting a vaccine invented and then taken asap. Impressive.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2608090]Weak, even by your abysmal standards.

But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.[/QUOTE]Since 2000, taxpayer dollars have financed the development of various vaccine platforms for HIV, pandemic flu, and other threats to public health. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the government leveraged investments in those platforms in three ways. First, it supported additional preclinical studies. Second, it absorbed the bulk of human testing costs and risk through a set of contracts that paid for the various phases of vaccine development and manufacturing. And third, it reduced manufacturing risk by underwriting capacity investments.

So Trump spent other peoples money to direct funds into existing programs to develop Covid Vaccines. Trump could not even read a medical research paper yet alone move heaven and earth to have a vaccine developed.

Democrats would have leveraged off the same programs to achieve the same thing because that is why we fund Government departments to orchestrate these types of programs. Given its the blue states where the majority of tech and entrepreneurs reside and get support from democratic governments, you should be grateful for democrats who do this for you, unlike the red states who grow stuff and dig stuff thanks to huge government bailouts and tax breaks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2608074]Further, the issue with blacks and browns isn't simply about hesitancy. It also has everything to do with access, with wealthier white people having more access to vaccines (and all matter of lifesaving healthcare) than do people of color. The inequality in access to vaccines and medicines is both inter and intra-continental in scope and impact on the less fortunate, with the wealthy having access to more than their fair share, or what they even need.

[URL]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2608080]This is not about freedom of choice it is about the general wellbeing of society. The virus has mutated several times and one day we may need to start this whole process again if we do not control it now. The sooner it is controlled and dies out the better. That is achieved more effectively by vaccination than catching it and hoping a long term immunity results, presuming you don't die or become an invalid. So what's the point of all your discussion? You want this virus to perpetuate? You want to give it as much chance to further mutate as possible? You want to give the gullible the best chance for death and disablement? You are so wrapped up in your anti Democrat, anti government rhetoric that you cannot allow yourself to accept that sometime you need to put away your anger and accept some things need to be done for the greater good?[/QUOTE]Actually, the anti-government sentiment is aimed at Dictatorial Democratic douches like yourself who still believe that government can control a virus. You believe that because your party associated a virus paid for by Fauci created in China with Trump. [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508449-pelosi-refers-to-coronavirus-as-the-trump-virus[/URL].

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html[/URL]

So you keep spreading this pro-government crap that the virus can be contained as long as we March in lockstep and do whatever the government says.

It has been nearly 18 months now and everyone is sick to the death of this crap and we have concluded governments do not know what the fuck they are talking about. They have used this as a means to achieve fame, control, power, and wealth, and smart people see that.

But you don't. You do not get viruses that survive in other species never will be eradicated. See the link: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html[/URL]#text=%E2%80%A2%20 Recent%20 experimental%20 research%20 shows, infected%20 with%20 the%20 virus.

Recent experimental research shows that many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus. Cats, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, racoon dogs, and white-tailed deer can also spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings.

Investigations found that mink from a Michigan farm and a small number of people were infected with SARS-CoV-2 that contained unique mink-related mutations (changes in the virus's genetic material). This suggests mink-to-human spread might have occurred.

Finding these mutations in mink on the Michigan farm is not unexpected because they have been seen before in mink from farms in the Netherlands and Denmark, and also in people linked to mink farms worldwide.

So I tell you what, GDreams, you Dictatorial Democratic douche, how about you see about getting minks to social distance, wash their hands, wear masks and get vaccinated? And after that, you work on all the other animals. And once you achieve that with minks and all the other animals, then you come tell us what to do? Better get to work!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2608128]I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.[/QUOTE]Great job muddying the waters with welfare benefits, reparations, and voter ID! None of which has anything to do with COVID vaccination rates "Doctor" Bombay! At least stay on topic. Geez!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2608054]Sorry, semantic douche, you are just creating a straw man so let me restate the "right wing nuts" position.

First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission.

Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else.

You douches really do want to give the vaccine via blow dart, and you just pretend like the side effects do not exist, that vaccinating everyone is going to make us go back to 2018 when no one wore masks, and Biden will be celebrated as a hero. Sorry even if you could do that and vaccinate everyone, that is not going to happen. These vaccines, which started with so much promise, really have been a disappointment.[/QUOTE]You really like to use the word "douche", do you? Hasn't anyone told you that usage of that term in people with normal mental capacity stops in the third grade?

[B]First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission.[/B] No vaccine is 100% effective. I stated that fact in my post. Several times, I believe. Since no vaccine is 100% effective, why don't you rail against [B]all vaccines[/B] and not just the COVID vaccine? Something is very wrong when you ***** about the COVID vaccine not being 100% effective as the reason not to mandate it since many vaccines are mandated that are also not 100% effective.

[B]Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else.[/B] Like here? Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.

We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.

We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so.

Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.

Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do – and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2608090]Weak, even by your abysmal standards.

Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.

But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.

(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).[/QUOTE][B]Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.[/B] The "Spanish Flu" killed 25 million to 50 million people worldwide. What an insanely tone-deaf statement to make. Even for you.

[URL]https://time.com/5894403/how-the-1918-flu-pandemic-ended/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2608128]I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.[/QUOTE]Every state? Every area of every state?

Just more horse hockey, this time from somebody who claims to be black.