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"Die Grnen" (the green party in Germany) announced to not let the new law pass in the "Bundesrat" as implementation will be to expensive.
HB.[/QUOTE]Surely the grand coalition must have a majority in the Bundesrat as well? Can anyone explain how and if the Greens could block this law in the Bundesrat?
[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1806965]Surely the grand coalition must have a majority in the Bundesrat as well? [/QUOTE]Not necessarily. The Bundesrat (not Bundestag) consists of the 16 states which all have their own parliament. Different states, different situations and coalitions. See here:
[URL]http://www.bundesrat.de/EN/organisation-en/stimmenverteilung-en/stimmenverteilung-en-node.html[/URL]
[URL]http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/180666/umfrage/stimmenverteilung-im-bundesrat-nach-koalitionen/[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesrat_of_Germany[/URL] - see composition
[URL]http://www.bundestag.de/htdocs_e/bundestag/function/legislation/14legrat/245876[/URL]
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1806971]Not necessarily. The Bundesrat (not Bundestag) consists of the 16 states which all have their own parliament. Different states, different situations and coalitions. See here:
[URL]http://www.bundesrat.de/EN/organisation-en/stimmenverteilung-en/stimmenverteilung-en-node.html[/URL]
[URL]http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/180666/umfrage/stimmenverteilung-im-bundesrat-nach-koalitionen/[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesrat_of_Germany[/URL] - see composition
[URL]http://www.bundestag.de/htdocs_e/bundestag/function/legislation/14legrat/245876[/URL]
HB.[/QUOTE]I read up on it in the Wiki, since the governing parties need to vote as a bloc, and the greens are in a majority of BundesLaender governments, the Greens can actually block this.
Go Greens Go! Go Greens Go!
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1807165]keep in mind, even in the US you may incur travel expenses unless you live in a place where high quality escorts will come to your house, and you don't have a problem hosting them at your house. Otherwise, you still need to spend on travel and hotel inside the US too. But say, the net additional cost (travel, hotel, whatever else) is 2 grand. Depends on how many sessions it is amortized, and what is the cost differential. If it is 100 a hour in the FKK and 300 for a comparable escort, it takes 10 sessions to break even. But then again, how does a break even analysis account for the off chance you could be caught and face legal and work problems in the US?
For those going to Europe on business, if can take a few days off, flight is paid for. If not, add an extra 1000 to 1400, depending on when / where. For many married men, more than cost, it is the inability to discretely take off and be gone for days, which is a big problem. For single men, no such issues, and they also can spend freely w / o having to explain how a few thousand dollars disappeared from the savings account, LOL.[/QUOTE]We will assume that most people here will lose their jobs if your caught with an escort at home and your photo makes it into the papers. So that leaves Montreal. So what's an acceptable driving distance to Montreal? I'd say ten hours, flying usually takes 2 legs that takes upwards of 7 hours of travel and airport security. Anyone north of Richmond, Cincinnati and Indiana might be interested in driving to Montreal vs flying. Gas is cheap, say $100 or less roundtrip. Parking is $20 a day. $200 for travel expenses and parking sounds about the max you'd spend. Germany would run you $1100 for a flight, car rental another 300 (including gas). Hotels are about the same in both cities, something decent will run you $80 per night.
There are alot of guys in the northeastern US that visit Canada for their hobby. Personally I'd rather do Germany but if a situation was to come up where I couldn't do the flight it would be an easy decision to do a tour of Canada.
[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1807036]I read up on it in the Wiki, since the governing parties need to vote as a bloc, and the greens are in a majority of BundesLaender governments, the Greens can actually block this.
Go Greens Go! Go Greens Go![/QUOTE]The present coalition at federal level is CDU / CSU and SPD. The Greens are in the opposition (and that may be the real reason while they'll vote againt the new law). It will cost them nothing to vote against it but I still fail to see how an opposition party representing a few percent of German voters can block such a law.
[QUOTE=XXL;1807181]The present coalition at federal level is CDU / CSU and SPD. The Greens are in the opposition (and that may be the real reason while they'll vote againt the new law). It will cost them nothing to vote against it but I still fail to see how an opposition party representing a few percent of German voters can block such a law.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between Bundestag and Bundesrat. Read the Wiki link I posted:
"The Bundesrat participates in legislation, alongside the Bundestag, the directly elected representation of the people of Germany, with laws affecting state competences and all constitutional changes requiring the consent of the body. ".
"The political makeup of the Bundesrat is affected by changes in power in the states of Germany, and thus by elections in each state. Each state delegation in the Bundesrat is essentially a representation of the state government and reflects the political makeup of the ruling majority or plurality of each state legislature (including coalitions). ".
HB.
Your numbers make sense. I have personally never mongered in Montreal, or anywhere in the NA for that matter, because the legal threat is an acceptable risk for me. Do you like it in Montreal? Are the girls quality, and overall experience even roughly comparable? I have done a few sessions in Spain in a brothel setting, but the ambience and experience is soooo much better in Fkks, that I have stopped in Spain altogether. I still go to Spain on business but simply take a nice stroll and a good dinner now.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1807177]We will assume that most people here will lose their jobs if your caught with an escort at home and your photo makes it into the papers. So that leaves Montreal. So what's an acceptable driving distance to Montreal? I'd say ten hours, flying usually takes 2 legs that takes upwards of 7 hours of travel and airport security. Anyone north of Richmond, Cincinnati and Indiana might be interested in driving to Montreal vs flying. Gas is cheap, say $100 or less roundtrip. Parking is $20 a day. $200 for travel expenses and parking sounds about the max you'd spend. Germany would run you $1100 for a flight, car rental another 300 (including gas). Hotels are about the same in both cities, something decent will run you $80 per night.
There are alot of guys in the northeastern US that visit Canada for their hobby. Personally I'd rather do Germany but if a situation was to come up where I couldn't do the flight it would be an easy decision to do a tour of Canada.[/QUOTE]
Since the discussion is being moved here. First, legality of porn is not limited to conventional alone. Normal, massive, Mandingo, thick, thin, abnormally small, all types of dicks have a place, as do 18+, grandma, MILF, beauty, ugly, very fat, etc etc. All are equally legal.
Why is everyone not doing it. Not very easy. To be legal, I guess you have to incorporate, file taxes etc as you say. Also, it is expensive. Average starlet gets paid a few hundred to maybe a thousand+ for a b/ g scene, and much more for anal / DP other stuff, per reports. That is per scene which is shot over several hours, hence not just an hour, but still expensive and more thanthe usual escort rate I think. It is easier for an average Joe to call up an escort when horny than set up a company, pre plan, hire talent, etc etc. How many men leading normal average life want to set up porn production, even if they can afford?
But if someone does have money, say a few hundred grand or more, and does not need to work, this is a workable thing. What I read is that the well known porn stars can charge 1500 or more when they escort on th side. If you want to shag them, it is cheaper and easier to pay them and make a movie, all very legally.
I did meet supposed Latinas in Spain. Flower's was the place for it (2nd best LU next to Vive), although not too many girls. One was half French-Spain blue eye'd fake blond from Valencia with her friend from the same city. Below avg session, but she offered anal inclusive for the 75 rate there. My Spain all time anal avg is 25% as I went with 4 girls. Another Latina offered at Whiskeria Estark, along with Factory air(not as great along with Luxor) which are the places that the girls tend to lower the rate. For 50 anal inclusive, but declined since she was a bit older than I liked. Latinas generally seems to be on the older side, but Vive there are reasonably aged to younger ones like the Brazilians that are endowed with big assets. I get the impression that Vive and Flower's, the two best for optics, are static with the rate.
("Blocking the law". Sounds almost like Judas Priest.)
[QUOTE=XXL;1807181] but I still fail to see how an opposition party representing a few percent of German voters can block such a law.[/QUOTE]
Hessen Bub explained it to you already. What's missing is the cunclusion:
The green pest plant weed is currently part of the coalitions in 9 out of 16 Bundesland-governements and therefore able to block any law in the Bundesrat, provided that all those 9 green coalition-partners vote unaminous.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1807432]("Blocking the law". Sounds almost like Judas Priest.)
Hessen Bub explained it to you already. What's missing is the cunclusion:
The green pest plant weed is currently part of the coalitions in 9 out of 16 Bundesland-governements and therefore able to block any law in the Bundesrat, provided that all those 9 green coalition-partners vote unaminous.[/QUOTE]And in the Bunderat the governing parties have to vote as a block unanimously or not at all. If they abstain they vote down the measure. This is how the greens can vote down the law.
I swear if this law fails I will recycle more consciensiously.
Go greens go.
The Greens are not necessarily worse than tradcons (tradfems) on specific sex issues.
I remember reading that the Greens in the city of Frankfurt had opposed planned suppressions of the Frankfurt RLD in the past. Likewise, Noel Mamere who was leader of the Green Party in France is on the record as saying: "there's more to prostitution than just slavery". What he meant is that you cannot reduce prostitution to "slavery".
Let's hope.
Regarding the upcoming law on FO, It doesn't bother me, nothing much will change, girls will still provide FO, the government aren't going to monitor every sex session, with a man in the corner watching what two adults get up to.
[QUOTE=XXL;1807529]The Greens are not necessarily worse than tradcons (tradfems) on specific sex issues.
I remember reading that the Greens in the city of Frankfurt had opposed planned suppressions of the Frankfurt RLD in the past. Likewise, Noel Mamere who was leader of the Green Party in France is on the record as saying: "there's more to prostitution than just slavery". What he meant is that you cannot reduce prostitution to "slavery".
Let's hope.[/QUOTE]In Britain, The Greens are very much opposed to Swedish Model type legislation, Ironically they have only 1 MP. And she is rabidly in favor of it!
Here is my Madrid report for those interested.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=1807678&viewfull=1#post1807678[/URL]