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[QUOTE=Catire;2435152]Yes what people forget is that economics theory almost always assumes the "rational actor" baseline model.

Which makes sense most of the time.

But not all of the time, and especially less so in the P4 P world because sex isn't a "rational act" to be meted out like a product or commodity.

Sex causes irrational acts like crimes of passion etc.

You get the idea.[/QUOTE]It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.

The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.

We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.

You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.

You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.

But nope.

Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Catire;2434800]Out of curiosity. Is your 3 days between pops and cannot use condom an issue even WITH use of dick pills like Viagra?[/QUOTE]Its not the erection I am having a problem with its busting a nut.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435179]It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.

The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.

We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.

You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.

You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.

But nope.

Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.

Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.

The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.

Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2435266]Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.

The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.

Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.[/QUOTE]Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435254]Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435304]Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.[/QUOTE]The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.

I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.

Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.

Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.

That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.

Any suggestion of legit massage shop that will end up offering good HJ / BJ? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435107]It is not possible to just ask the girl if she fucks without a condom and or if CIP CIM is allowed, accept it's her right to say no and leave it at that.

OK I get the unacceptable bait and switch, agreeing to whatever and then refusing in the room and if the girl knew exactly what she agreed to which incidentally can easily get lost in translation then she deserves what comes her way.

That said this refrain that girls who don't do BB are somehow delinquent and almost should be ostracized is a totally f**ked up monger privileged state of mind.[/QUOTE]Totally agree! If you have to try to "trick" a girl into not using a condom and not being up front with her at the beginning then you are in the wrong hobby! That's some really sick fucked up shit!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435317]The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.

I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.

Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.

Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.

That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.[/QUOTE]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435347]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".[/QUOTE]I kind of agree and disagree. When it comes to Thai thinking it is just backward as you noted nothing to do with the market. It is like when business is down charging more to make up for it kind like the same thinking now that establishment is closing with zero education in business or budgeting, in general, many just don't get it. I'm not saying guys should undercut them from 2500 to 500 baht sure some would but take something reasonable to make a sacrifice.

Many Thais think we are all rich when we are just like everyone else including Thais, at times in the conversation I joke when I bleed my blood is red just like Thais not green. I hear it all the time when prices go up they say give me more as if it doesn't affect us. Now there are guys like one of my cousins who run around telling every girl that wants to marry him he doesn't have any money yet he is at Starbucks 3 times a day and evening dinners average 2000 baht with these girls which just contradict not having any money!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2435347]They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".[/QUOTE]I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.

Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2434787]It could be months before Covid-19 is brought under control. What sort of economic carnage will it cause? How much longer can the bars stay open with trade so bad? And if bars close and remain closed for a while, will they ever reopen? Are there many bars resilient enough to survive this? Could the bar industry be reshaped forever? The bar industry is facing its darkest hour.[/QUOTE]But there will always be prostitution.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435369]I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.[/QUOTE]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.