Bangkok Reports

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I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.

Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."

Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Haha no surprise. They would rather take a loss rather than change the price. Though my luck was better, 2 of my regulars agreed to take less earlier this month. So some benefits of this whole bad situation.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2435449]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.[/QUOTE]That's a good perspective. Many would on this forum including me pays a lot more than 1000, because I prefer hot chicks and they're just not so easily available for 1 k. But the market price should not be more than $30-50 in the first place, but tourists have just changed the game.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2435302]Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.[/QUOTE]Feel even bad for you too. Horrible how they are.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]+1.

Well stated. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435409]Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.[/QUOTE]Please stay healthy and not get infected virus.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Why is it that some mongers try to rationalize over paying hookers, many will say she can charge whatever the market will bear, or its my money, ill pay what I want.

But then a millisecond the market makes the slightest shift possibly favoring the monger more and you see posts like this, asking for empathy or compassion for the greedy hookers.

Its almost like some mongers act as advocates for higher prices for the hookers? When? All the time.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I have ever met a P4P girl in Thailand who's food for herself, food for her family, a roof over her head or load for her phone really did depended on whether or not I paid her for sex.

I have certainly heard many of them pitch it that way to me. No shortage of that over the years. But whenever I have declined to go along with that pitch due to, say, their refusal to agree to anything close to what I would consider worth my time and money, they still show up on the scene or on my Line days or weeks later looking just as well fed, healthy and smiley as before, no reports of deaths in the family from starvation.

So I guess it never really was down to that dramatic "life or death, rent or no rent, phone load or no phone load but for my money" point after all.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Really? Lookers in the scene are making tall coin. Most of them squander it. Yes, there are a few that save, but very few. And with the bad attitudes some develop along with preferring tourist they can extract more money from as opposed to residents and regulars, and maybe getting a bit less but reliable and steady, they kind of made their own bed, wouldn't you say? Because in a month or two when this is over and the tourists come back they will again avoid our glance, ignore us, etc. So why should we not take advantage when the situation is to our advantage? They do.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2435447]But there will always be prostitution.[/QUOTE]If they serve food they can remain open.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2435449]Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.[/QUOTE]I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435747]I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.[/QUOTE]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.

All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

[URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/[/URL]

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ[/URL]

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435812]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.[/QUOTE]I put a very cute Thermae girl out of my room earlier tonight with 1,500 baht and I am sure I way overpaid for what she did. Wish I had only given her 1,000, maybe 500.

Thermae is closed but a few hopefuls still hang out at the door and steps. And by hopefuls I mean the only people standing outside of Thermae at about 9PM tonight were females. No customers other than me and an old Asian dude. Not even ladyboys as I recall. This very cute girl reached out when she saw me and said, "Take me with you. I like you." Hey, I liked her too. We had both seen each other there a few times before and a good vibe had passed between us.

There was no mention of how much, to do what or for how long. And, sorry, but I don't buy this "everybody knows what we're supposed to pay Thermae girls," thing. My opinion is when no money is discussed upfront OR what we will do in the room for her to earn any money at all, whether it's Thermae, on the street, in a go-go bar or in the fanciest, most expensive club in Bangkok, everybody is playing the cards as dealt to them and has no standing to whine about what winds up in their hand, figuratively and literally, in the hope of getting restitution.

A few steps away from the front of Thermae she asked me if I had a condom. I said I might have one in my room but if we must use a condom I will not be a good customer for you because I cannot use a condom, so, nice to meet you, bye. She said oh we can do something else, a blowjob (she was very fluent in English). I asked will she finish me inside her mouth. She said yes.

In the room, she had a beer and after we both showered, I gave her DATY, which she seemed to really enjoy. So much so that after she came a couple of times she moved around to give me a BJ as oral foreplay, smiled and said, "What do you want to do now? Up to you." Great. I said, "Well if it's up to me we boom boom right now." "Ok", she said with an even bigger smile, rolled over onto her back and opened her legs. Lovely. As I moved up to enter her she yelped, "NO! You must put CONDOM!"

As an aside, I don't get this move. So many Thai girls do this. They just heard me say and fully understood that I cannot use a condom and won't use one. We are naked on the bed licking and sucking each other. Nobody has produced a condom, set one aside, has one in his or her teeth, laid one on the bed, on the side table, nothing. They are a all hot and ready, say something like, "Ok, do what you want. Up to you." Then the moment my dick is within 2 inches of their pussy, they remember their supposed to say "NO! Must put CONDOM!" and we lurch into what would most certainly be another of the thousands of 15 minute conversations I've had about condoms while my erection leaves the room if I didn't quickly change the subject. WTF.

Anyway, so I say "Oh, sorry, you said "Do what I want, up to me." So that is what I wanted." "No problem," I said, "we can do that blowjob instead."

She started out ok but then quickly moved into another truly bizarre Thai girl phenomenon of suddenly not understanding what these simple English words mean: "Please don't go so fast. Please go slower."

I swear I must have gently told her, reminded her, repeated and repeated it for her 10-15 times over the course of about 10 minutes to please go slow, don't go fast. At one point early on I even stopped her to specifically clarify that I am not asking her to go slow to make her do this longer, since I suspect they go fast because their past experience tells them the guy cums faster the faster they do it. "I will finish quickly, within 3-4 minutes, if you go slow. But I might never finish even if you do this for 5 hours if you go that fast." You would think that would put the fear of god into them about going fast, which is always much more work for them anyway, instead of slow, which is very easy work for them.

But no.

It didn't make any difference to her. She was on cruise control to go jack hammer fast and not do it slowly. Five more minutes of her grimacing and struggling against fatigue because she was doing it so damn fast while any hope for my having an orgasm was being chased away in terror and I stopped her and said, "Ok, that's all. We're finished. I don't know how else to tell you to go slow and not fast. So, as I said, I will never finish like this. We might as well just stop now." She had been in my room about 30 minutes total.

She took a shower and got dressed. When she saw the overly generous 1,500 baht I left on the table next to her purse, she seemed quite puzzled and confused. She picked it up and examined the two notes at arms distance like they were loaded with coronavirus, looked at me and said, "What is this?" I said, "Honey, if we are ever together again and you give me a slow blowjob like I asked you to do it 10 or 15 times, which will make me finish in just 3-4 minutes, I will be happy to give you 2,500 baht. Or if we boom boom the way I said. But since you only did it too fast and not slow when I asked you so many times to please do it slow, I can only think you didn't WANT me to finish. And I won't pay 2,500 baht for that."

She understood, but she wasn't very happy about it. She must be used to doing the opposite of what her customers want and still getting 2,500, 3,000 or maybe more. But not with me. Typical Thermae girl way of thinking I guess. I opened the door and out she went. Of course, I seriously doubt that girl would ever go with me again. No great loss to me or to her, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2435909]All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

[URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/[/URL]

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ[/URL]

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.