Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]LOL. Some of the girls working in Europa return to Brazil with enough to buy / build their little saltbox dreamhouses in their interior hometowns, and furnish them, too. But as for the rest of them, it's the win the lottery talk that keeps them going.[/QUOTE]


I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years. I was talking about Voyajer1's post. I honestly dont know a single female who has bought apartment buildings, multiple homes that they rent out or own various businesses.

99.999% of the girls that I know that own their own house, that is all they have to show, for their years working. The house and like 1000 outfits from gang, a bunch of cameras, laptops, tvs, ipods, VS creme, that type of shit. But they have no money in the bank or any business that will continue to generate money for them.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years. I was talking about Voyajer1's post. I honestly don't know a single female who has bought apartment buildings, multiple homes that they rent out or own various businesses.

99. 999% of the girls that I know that own their own house, that is all they have to show, for their years working. The house and like 1000 outfits from gang, a bunch of cameras, laptops, tvs, ipods, VS creme, that type of shit. But they have no money in the bank or any business that will continue to generate money for them.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I knew one who was sending money back to her father and brother who were constructing a couple of housings in their favela. Now, they're landlords: with apartment rental income of 300 reales per month per unit.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years.[/QUOTE]I know my wife (from Minas Gerais, serious people and super-chata!). She was on the scene for 2 years, where I met her. She's now working for Petrobras as an engeneer.

I know a bunch of stories and it's ridiculous to set RULES with brazilian women and GDP.

U.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]From what I am reading apples are being compared to oranges. Neither statement, "mongers are really just using a system that was in place for a long time" nor "people have been exploited a long time" has anything to do with the other.[/QUOTE]I really am not trying to make the argument that mongers exploit prostitutes, I was just trying to show you how absurd your comment was that mongers are the ones being exploited.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]

The same way many of our bosses exploit us. How many workers feel they are underpaid? How many have gotten wage cuts while at the same being required to take on a bigger work load? The good thing is that unless you are caught up in some sort of slave operation there is a revolving door. A person in any job can walk out through the same door they walked in.[/QUOTE]Getting pressured into a bit of unpaid overtime is not quite the same as having some fat ugly old monger pumping away at your orifices. For many of the girls having those images stuck in their heads change who they are forever. Many go into prostitution as they find the attraction of men empowering. For others it´s a horrible job they do it due to limited options (some forced by a pimp or possibly family pressures), as a result their self esteem is shattered forever. I would say the most vulnerable would be at the budget end of the scale.

I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.

As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like [url]www.tnaflix.com[/url] or [url]http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com[/url] .

My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.

You can PM me or just write in the forum.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Fred100]Getting pressured into a bit of unpaid overtime is not quite the same as having some fat ugly old monger pumping away at your orifices. For many of the girls having those images stuck in their heads change who they are forever. Many go into prostitution as they find the attraction of men empowering. For others it´s a horrible job they do it due to limited options (some forced by a pimp or possibly family pressures), as a result their self esteem is shattered forever. I would say the most vulnerable would be at the budget end of the scale.[/QUOTE]

I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!

The whole exploitation question is slippery. In every deal, there is a buyer and a seller and each takes action based on their point of view. Presumably, both think the deal is in their interest. However, neither party is likely to have all the information. For example, I buy a house for a great price as far as the market goes. Why does the guy sell? There are lots of possible reason: he needs the money, he has to move, whatever. But darker forces can be at work -- maybe he has gambling debts and is about to get his legs broken. Can you say I am exploiting him? On the other hand, if I know he is deeply in debt and I make him a ridiculously low offer that he accepts, am I wrong? After all, he can seek a better deal.

These are difficult moral issues and they apply directly. Sorry for the heavy tone, but I think these abstractions get to the heart of it. Slippery.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!

The whole exploitation question is slippery. In every deal, there is a buyer and a seller and each takes action based on their point of view. Presumably, both think the deal is in their interest. However, neither party is likely to have all the information. For example, I buy a house for a great price as far as the market goes. Why does the guy sell? There are lots of possible reason: he needs the money, he has to move, whatever. But darker forces can be at work. Maybe he has gambling debts and is about to get his legs broken. Can you say I am exploiting him? On the other hand, if I know he is deeply in debt and I make him a ridiculously low offer that he accepts, am I wrong? After all, he can seek a better deal.

These are difficult moral issues and they apply directly. Sorry for the heavy tone, but I think these abstractions get to the heart of it. Slippery.[/QUOTE]Agreed:

Prostitution by it's very nature can be a cold brutal business and there are some very unscrupulous people making money from it. At the end of the day we all play mind games with ourselves to keep our egos and self esteem intact. It's just that some of the business negotiation comparisons used by mongers to maintain this comes across as a little delusional. Anytime that a third party is applying pressure to the girl to take the client, the idea of two consenting adults starts to get a little gray. The termas prostitutes (depending on the policies of the casa) are pressured to meet quota. This is a safer place for them to work and they don't want to be pushed out for refusing clients or not meeting quota. The pressure and the risks of abuse increases the further down the budget scale. In my experience, the Brazilian prostitutes get a lot more crap from their own countrymen than gringos.

[QUOTE=Peace1]I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.

As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like [url]www.tnaflix.com[/url] or [url]http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com[/url] .

My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.

You can PM me or just write in the forum.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Do a search here [url]http://www.gpguia.net/[/url] There are tons of porn stars available . Mayara Shelson is currently selling her ass in Rio --->

[url]http://www.barravipsrio.com/mayarashelson[/url]

Luana is out the biz for now. Virginia you might find at Balcony! I have her card around somewhere I will email and ask if I can give it out. Darlene very hard to find. I believe she does her regulars but doesn't work at a terma or escort. Joyce is not in Rio now.

[QUOTE=Peace1]I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.

As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like [url]www.tnaflix.com[/url] or [url]http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com[/url] .

My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.

You can PM me or just write in the forum.

Luana is out the biz for now. Virginia you might find at Balcony! I have her card around somewhere I will email and ask if I can give it out... Darlene very hard to find... I believe she does her regulars but doesn't work at a terma or escort... Joyce is not in Rio now...

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!
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I think there is a skewed perception of Brasileiras. I can relate to your story of walking down the street and thinking that the women must be ex-GDP. Maybe not every girl has been GDP...I come to Brasil for business, so I spend most of time hanging out with professional people. The women don't seem to fit our perceptions of Brasilera as GDP or even as sluts. Most of them that I know are normal girls who seldom if ever fuck around for fear of the husband or church or the family, just like everywhere else. Morever, they are kept on a tight leash without opportunity. If they go out at all during their spare time, it's girls night out and that's it. The Brasileros that I know aren't fond of the idea of someone fucking their gf's or wives, unlike the swinger guys that haul their girls into Florida or 22 everynight for spending cash...and that's too bad because I wish all Brasileros would sell me their lovely ladies! :) However, there is a double standard and the professional Brasileros do fuck around on their women with GDP's whenever given the chance. Safado comes standard but safada doesn't appear to.

So, with that said...is our perception of the non-professional blue collar and favela crowd correct? That every lower middle-class girl on the street either is or has been GDP? My experience is with people in the top 10% of the salary earners and with mostly cheap GDPs and almost no one in between, so it is an interesting topic for me. It would be ironic if the general population in the world's biggest Catholic country truly was full of 'Jezebels' like we think it is. Certainly some guys here have been able to find some fun and promiscuous non-pro women and made g/f's out of them, and they do bi stuff and everything else..so that indicates it's true. But then again, consider we are dealing with the mating habits of highly focused and demanding ISG members and not those of civilians. ;)

[QUOTE=Peace1]
As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like [url]www.tnaflix.com[/url] or [url]http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com[/url] .

My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. [/QUOTE]

If you really prefer girls with that much meat, VM would have options for you. Check Sperto's map for directions. Most of the stock in the casas and termas is half that size and much younger, so don't get too hungup on the idea of porn stars or you'll miss out on some great experiences with better looking non-starlets. My best experiences have been with girls that were just working short-time in the business and then suddenly vaporize off the program, rather than the veteran girls. More GFE, less paranoid, and more willing.

I am exposed to all kind of Brazilians of all walks of life and I must say that our perception is wrong.

We are concentrating on maybe 1% of the population. 99 % are no GdP-material, either physically or mentally. Normal girls in the remote towns do not dare to "work" as in these small towns they would be an outcast immediately and their families would know about what they do. I met a couple of years ago two sisters which came from a remote place in Amazonia. Both decided that they had enough of their miserable life as empregadas/shop-attendent. That is how GdP are made. The normal blue-colour girl working in a small town and not moving away will never work as a GdP. Social pressure and controll will prevent them.

Yes - the male Brasilian will immediately start to fuck around if he has the money and the opportunity - they believe in beeing / showing to be macho. Their ideal girl to marry in this catholic country is a girl which had very little exposure/no exposure at all. But that is only their ideal perception. The reality is very different nowadays.

How do the GdPs end? Depending on their witts - the majority of them blow their money and with the age of 45 they have nothing to show and will end up where they came from - a Favela. They will have several children from different men and they will have to raise them by themselves without any help. The girls will be - when 18 years old - again GdP material, the boys will do in drugs or robberies or simply work as handy-men. (only around 5 -10 % of the population of a favela engage in illegal business)

The real smart ones either get married by a gringo and stay with him or do an "asset-stripping" when they have settled in. Alternatively they take their money and start a business - like beauty-parlour, suco-bar etc. But this is the very small minority. I would say that approx. 5 % of the GdPs really go to school / university and will finish their education. Then they move to another town and start a new life.

The American notion to "save the world" does not work in Brasil - it is a circle of poverty which will break up only over several generations. Lula managed one thing: nobody goes to bed hungry anymore.

Carlos Primeros

[QUOTE=Carlos Primeros]I am exposed to all kind of Brazilians of all walks of life and I must say that our perception is wrong.

We are concentrating on maybe 1% of the population. 99 % are no GdP-material, either physically or mentally. Normal girls in the remote towns do not dare to "work" as in these small towns they would be an outcast immediately and their families would know about what they do. I met a couple of years ago two sisters which came from a remote place in Amazonia. Both decided that they had enough of their miserable life as empregadas/shop-attendent. That is how GdP are made. The normal blue-colour girl working in a small town and not moving away will never work as a GdP. Social pressure and controll will prevent them.

Yes - the male Brasilian will immediately start to fuck around if he has the money and the opportunity - they believe in beeing / showing to be macho. Their ideal girl to marry in this catholic country is a girl which had very little exposure/no exposure at all. But that is only their ideal perception. The reality is very different nowadays.

How do the GdPs end? Depending on their witts - the majority of them blow their money and with the age of 45 they have nothing to show and will end up where they came from - a Favela. They will have several children from different men and they will have to raise them by themselves without any help. The girls will be - when 18 years old - again GdP material, the boys will do in drugs or robberies or simply work as handy-men. (only around 5 -10 % of the population of a favela engage in illegal business)

The real smart ones either get married by a gringo and stay with him or do an "asset-stripping" when they have settled in. Alternatively they take their money and start a business - like beauty-parlour, suco-bar etc. But this is the very small minority. I would say that approx. 5 % of the GdPs really go to school / university and will finish their education. Then they move to another town and start a new life.

The American notion to "save the world" does not work in Brasil - it is a circle of poverty which will break up only over several generations. Lula managed one thing: nobody goes to bed hungry anymore.

Carlos Primeros[/QUOTE]Nice post. So many guys here only see Brazil through their monger goggles. Of course, GDPs and the whole sex trade comprise only a very small part of life in Brazil. It takes a fucked up mindset to think every woman they see must have been a GDP at one point. It also cracks me up when I read arguments here about how the $ spent by sex tourists is meaningful to the economy and will have some bearing on government decisions. It is a drop in the bucket, and drying up more everyday. Major changes are underway. These are the changes you are seeing in Brazil.

Yes, Lula has started making a differience in many lives so far. Mongers can do their part too: Next time you are in Brazil do one less session and use that $ to buy some food for some of the kids and elderly you see sleeping on the sidewalk. Maybe you will start to see Brazilians as real people with real lives. Who knows, maybe it will make you feel a little different about yourself. It did for me.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. .... [/QUOTE]

Just to be clear, I was not implying anything about Brazilians in general. I was just saying I wonder out of the multitudes of maids, shop girls, etc. that you see every day or work with are former GDPs. The percentage would be minuscule of course, but this is probably where they would be.

Brazilians in general, I agree basically with what was said below. However, it would be very interesting to see a Kinsey type report. Without a real study, we all just have the impressions we form from our acquaintances and what they say. What people say and do is often different, particularly where sex is concerned.

For example who would think women in the UK are big in infidelity? A recent study I read about showed that around 30% of babies (after the first) had different fathers or something like that. A possible explanation was evolutionary biology -- a survival advantage to widen the gene pool after a secure relationship is formed. It surprised the hell out of me and most people, I think but what a great excuse to screw around.

So, the "normal" Brasileiras may be up to more than people think.