Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!![/QUOTE]

Not true, IMHO. I agree with the previous poster that being nice to the mamasans is often worthwhile. BUT, it all depends on the attitude you bring into the bar. If you walk in reeking of "I know you're out to rip me off, and I've got my spincther clenched" then you're going to get treated badly regardless of how many drinks you buy the mamasan.

But if you're genuinely friendly and treat the mamasans with respect, they can be great allies; steering you towards the better girls, making sure you're taken care of even when the bar is busy (or full of Japanese) and generally making sure you have a good time. Being known as a friend of the mamasan's also means you get treated better in the bar and outside; girls aren't going to risk giving you a bad experience and having you complain to 'your friend'.

And once you get to know them, most mamasans can be a riot to talk to. I've learned more about Bangkok and how to handle young Thai girls from some of these ladies than I've learned on ISG - and that's saying a lot!

[QUOTE=Vittu]She was kind of pudgy and not that attractive.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the standard Grace Hotel profile.

The place has one saving er grace: they're open even on the big Buddhist holidays when almost all other bars are shut down.

[QUOTE=Washburn]On the other hand, any farang can still get accosted in Soi Cowboy in bars like Afterskool.[/QUOTE]I've always felt that the 'hands-on' bars are the real heart and soul of Cowboy (well, along with the previous incarnations of the small friendly go-gos like Five Star and Apache). Toy Bar used to be especially good fun, except that the girls were a whole lot better at extracting my money than I was at getting value for it.

[QUOTE=JD Wordsmith] I've learned more about Bangkok and how to handle young Thai girls from some of these ladies than I've learned on ISG - and that's saying a lot![/QUOTE]


I agree but it's really not "saying a lot". You will alway learn more from experience than from listening to experts spout off.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]The other two mamasans didn't strike me as much as, I guess, Mrs. G. One, she had lighter hair, looked very chic from afar, with a nice body, but I never got a great look at her face.
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Mrs G has black hair and slim.
The mamasans have brown hair I believe.
One mamasan has very big tits (assisted?) the other has quite brown skin and a broad nose (not exactly pretty).

P.S. I don't like bar mamasans much in general. Some (not Mrs G) are rather "pushy" trying to organise customers who don't want to be organised. I have never learned anything from mamasans as their interests are biased towards getting drinks and getting girls barfined. I tolerate them. Sometimes meet one that is O.K. to talk to (Taay - ex mamasan of Suzi Wong for example). So maybe its a question of meeting the right one.

I do get a rapport with certain Soapy mamasans/papasans (Cheer-persons) who soon learn they will make good tips if they give good accurate advice about the girls and no bullshit.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My problem at Tilacs is that clothed girls are a bit tame, unless they are stunning. I prefer to at least see the tits before taking a bargirl. But I will try it again.

I nearly forgot to mention that Deja Vu looked almost "dead" with very few girls and some other bars have just too few girls to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
Not wanting to believe how poor the bars were in Soi Cowboy on Monday night, I had another look last night.

First to Bacarra (spelling?). Girls on ground floor were all rather ordinary all with the wide noses. Upstairs girls were also not that pretty to my taste even once the tits were exposed. No. 7 was pretty but no tits at all. Time to move on.

Looked in Lucky Star (Long Gun). Several pretty girls (better than Monday lineup) but bodies quite average. Only the tall and aloof Miss Noi was truelly stunning - both face and body (lovely almost Cs).

Went to Shark before 9PM, seeing several pretty girls but my favourite was already bar-fined. She is very popular so its "the quick or the dead".

Decided on a Soapy visit as fall back plan.

Centaurus suggests we should check out the Sutthisan Road gogo bars for Thais near Saphan Khwai BTS, another night, with reputably better girls for lower prices, but all in the rather young age bracket, so performance might be questionable.

So I took the BTS to Tulip today thanks to a bunch of recommendations. I have been to Annies before so my expectations were a little off.

When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.

So i go with the girl I was given. As I am walking up the stairs I am thinking to myself "she is not my type". I would say her looks were a 7 or 7.5. Her body wasn't bad at all, but wasn't totally tight (trust me, if we are not in a MP in LOS this girl isn't giving me a second look). B cups but a little saggy. The girl's name is Kat. She says she is 25 and has a 6 year old daughter.

This girl was the TOTAL GFE! She could not have treated me better. We do the shower thing following by a quick relaxing massage. Then onto BBBJ which was really good followed by Cowgirl and then reverse cowgirl. She wasn't a wild one, and she didn't need to be because she knew how to please. I asked if for "a ride to the Mediterranean" and to my surprise she agreed without any hesitation.

We finish, or at least I finished, she was a decent actress, and she flips me over again and gives me a great massage for the rest of my time.

I thought the room was a lot cleaner looking than Annies, but I like the tub at Annies as well.

After all the ribbing, I definitely like Tulip a lot, will go back (maybe in a few hours :) ) and would definitely recommend KAT.

Thanks for the advice guys.

[quote=JuiceGuy]So I took the BTS to Tulip today thanks to a bunch of recommendations. I have been to Annies before so my expectations were a little off.

When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.[/quote]Both times that I've been there I was given pictures to look at. Neither time have any of the girls I wanted to see from the pictures been available. The first trip I ended up choosing a girl that was a bit chubby for my tastes but it was a great experience. This last time I tried to book Yok from abroad to find that she was only arriving after I'd be hooking up with my TGF. When I got into town and headed over I went downstairs to look at the talent and didn't recognize any of the names from the list. Rose? Melissa? I ended up at Eden and had a great time as I'm sure I would have at Tulip.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Looked in Lucky Star (Long Gun). Several pretty girls (better than Monday lineup) but bodies quite average. Only the tall and aloof Miss Noi was truelly stunning - both face and body (lovely almost Cs).[/QUOTE]I'm a fan of Soi Cowboy. But agree that it is changing. When I walk into Midnite it is like Norm walking into Cheers. The talent there has been going downhill over the past two years since I first ventured inside. The Mamasan laughs at me because I always choose the same type of lithe girls with tight bodies who don't speak English worth a spit. I really have to figure out how to pick up Thai like Mick.

Last time I was in Long Gun they'd made it a bit more narrow and it was hard for me to get my knees under the tables. Anyway I have a specific girl there that I look for. She's not a stunner but I could make out with her for weeks on end without losing interest.

Anyway, I'll just have to live vicariously through those of you in country for the next few weeks till the next trip.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]When I got there I was pretty much given a girl. I wasn't given much of a choice and unlike Annies there is no fishbowl. I like the fishbowl because I can look around and make my pick.[/QUOTE]
They have a book at Tulips, although the pics are small and some are quite outdated. You can also go down the stairs to where most of the girls stay between customers and make your choice there, it's a lineup of sorts. The receptionists don't offer either of these options on their own, I think.

Good that you were happy with Kat. It's probably quite difficult to be disappointed by TwoLips ;)

BTW I saw Kun Saeng in a shopping today, fully dressed up... man o man she still is quite the piece of art!

[QUOTE=Centaurus]They have a book at Tulips, although the pics are small and some are quite outdated. You can also go down the stairs to where most of the girls stay between customers and make your choice there, it's a lineup of sorts. The receptionists don't offer either of these options on their own, I think.

Good that you were happy with Kat. It's probably quite difficult to be disappointed by TwoLips ;)

BTW I saw Kun Saeng in a shopping today, fully dressed up... man o man she still is quite the piece of art![/QUOTE]

Live and Learn! It all worked out for the best anyway.

I know that most responses speak of the various qualities of the girls. I am seeking opinions based totally on looks, in a situation where I can view and speak to the girls before I make my choice. Any advice would be appreciated!

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]And 800 Bht from Pattaya to that Airport with the wierd name that looks like a sci-fi circus tent is standard fare (plus tolls) and I usually give 200bht tip for the real long rides unless the driver has a bad attitude. It is a very simple thing. If going around Bangkok you don't close the door to the Cab until a)you have determined the Cabbie speaks english or If you have a card (in Thai) with the hotel name you show it to him and determine if he knows where it is. B) the meter turns on. Under no circumstances should you pay an un-metered fare without haggling. TOPS, maybe 250 bht from MoChit to KaoSan or Nana. I will tip generously if this guy is in backed up traffic[/QUOTE]The taxi drivers have always been scamming farangs in BKK. And there are many ways they can do it. Once I had a girl with me and the driver suggested a good place to eat. It was one of those places where the food is all fresh and you choose what you want. Then they weigh it and cook it up to your taste. BE WARNED! The restaurant has a way of drastically raising the price. The way it is weighed, the cooking charge, etc.

SOLUTION- Always ask total price before they cook the food!

My bill for the 2 of us when they presented it was 4, 000 bht. Well, I made a bit of a scene which did me no good at all. Just like it does no good when you freak when they tow your car. These people are used to it.

Of course the taxi was in on it. And when he got me to my final destination I refused to pay him and just walked off with my girl.

Another note about taxi's. I don't pay 250bht to go from Mo Chit to Nana by taxi. Not because of the money either. Because of time and convenience. Why should I sit in traffic when I can blast by it all on the train. I jump on the skytrain which is 60 baht or so.

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[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]I finally made it to Livingstones tonight only to realize that I have been there before with a friend a trip or two ago. I really like the place. I regret not staying at their hotel. It's kind of like an Oasis in the middle of LOS. I didn't eat the food, but it smelled great.

There was a mamasan there that could really shoot pool. She was kind of hot too, but I wasn't sure if she was available or not and didn't want to embarrass myself. Probably not though.

I plucked up a 22 year old who started working there about 5 months ago. I could barely understand her name. Great face. Strong 8 if not 9. Body was tiny, but looked pretty good.

I paid the steep barfine, 1500 baht and took her for LT. What a waste of time. All she wanted to do was watch TV. She was very shy, only wanted to do missionary, and didn't want me to see her naked. She gave a great BBBJ for the 30 seconds she would do it. Basically, she was just awful in bed. Too bad, because she is really cute.

You win some you lose some. More opportunities tomorrow.[/QUOTE]It's a coincidence, so I'd like to report on this. I've only gone to Livingstone's a few times, and the experience I'm reporting happened several months ago, in October.

Passing by, two attractively dressed girls (they always are at Livingstone's) got my attention. I was on my way for baby-back ribs at Mojo's. One was incredibly cute, so I decided to have an expensive beer as an "appertif." One for her, too. Before long she was feeding me the little pretzel sticks or whatever, from her lips to mine, you know, half-half sharing. I normally object to steep bar fines like that, but no resisting that night. She agreed to have dinner with me, and agreed to "short time" ample enought to have dinner, get to the place leisurely, have a drink first, as long as she could get to her home by 2 am.

Getting to the point, I made a date with her for her day off, and that's when we talked about business at Livingstone's, her costs for the clothes she has to wear there, the minimum number of bar fines, if not she could get fired, and what a night last night: so many customers, even Mamasan bar-fined, twice, and charged a larger bar fine than the usual.

So, she can be had.

As for the girl who was unattentive and apparently ungrateful for the bar fine, I'm sorry to hear that, and could you tell us her name, as I saw a really cute girl one evening and might go back for her, but I would not want to make a mistake by taking a listless starfish. My girl was Belle, by the way, and as I'm just back in town I don't know if she's still there.

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[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]

I asked if for "a ride to the Mediterranean" and to my surprise she agreed without any hesitation.

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Good report. But, please explain, this is a new one for me.

Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim]Good report. But, please explain, this is a new one for me.

Slim[/QUOTE]
Hint: The Straits of Gibraltar represents the lady's anus.